1 00:00:17,517 --> 00:00:19,352 Kelly siegler: There are millions of security cameras 2 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:21,720 All over this country. 3 00:00:21,922 --> 00:00:26,459 The average american is caught on those cameras 34 times a day. 4 00:00:26,660 --> 00:00:30,229 And for some, that's the last time they're ever seen. 5 00:00:37,171 --> 00:00:42,208 Woman: ♪ I don't think that I can break your fall ♪ 6 00:00:44,478 --> 00:00:51,350 ♪ every time I build you up you make me feel so small ♪ 7 00:00:53,087 --> 00:00:55,021 Siegler: This time we're in dunlap, tennessee, 8 00:00:55,222 --> 00:00:58,056 And the chief has asked our old buddy, 9 00:00:58,126 --> 00:01:00,425 Bill phillips from chattanooga pd tennessee 10 00:01:00,494 --> 00:01:02,294 When we worked with him eight years ago, 11 00:01:02,297 --> 00:01:03,962 To come work with us again on this case. 12 00:01:04,165 --> 00:01:05,898 - It'd be fun to see him. - It will. 13 00:01:06,099 --> 00:01:07,699 - Remember billy goat hill. - Yeah. 14 00:01:07,769 --> 00:01:09,401 - That one turned out right. - It did. They prosecuted that. 15 00:01:09,470 --> 00:01:10,902 They had a trial. 16 00:01:10,971 --> 00:01:14,439 In 2014, we assisted sergeant bill phillips 17 00:01:14,508 --> 00:01:17,176 In charging lebron hollingsworth 18 00:01:17,378 --> 00:01:19,778 For the murder of his estranged wife vicki. 19 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:21,780 And now we're here again working with bill, 20 00:01:21,849 --> 00:01:23,583 Looking into the disappearance 21 00:01:23,784 --> 00:01:26,651 Of 42-year-old devoted grandmother and mother, 22 00:01:26,854 --> 00:01:28,254 Tiffany holbert. 23 00:01:28,455 --> 00:01:32,124 Tiffany grew up right here in this part of tennessee. 24 00:01:32,459 --> 00:01:34,394 Her kids were here. Her grandkids were here. 25 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:36,394 Spingola: Got all kinds of mouths to feed. 26 00:01:36,396 --> 00:01:37,929 Siegler: She worked at mcdonald's. 27 00:01:37,999 --> 00:01:39,664 She's trying to get by. 28 00:01:39,867 --> 00:01:43,135 It's just a harder life that a lot of people don't realize. 29 00:01:43,203 --> 00:01:46,139 Tiffany was a hard-working single mom 30 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:48,139 Supporting her daughters and grandchildren 31 00:01:48,208 --> 00:01:49,075 Who lived with her. 32 00:01:49,276 --> 00:01:50,410 After her divorce, 33 00:01:50,611 --> 00:01:52,744 Tiffany began dating a younger man, 34 00:01:52,813 --> 00:01:55,547 And she was probably trying to maybe find herself 35 00:01:55,617 --> 00:01:57,816 As she entered that next chapter of her life. 36 00:01:57,885 --> 00:02:00,085 She always went for a walk around this certain area, 37 00:02:00,155 --> 00:02:04,089 Around the sequatchie dam, from her trailer. 38 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:06,491 And then all of a sudden, she disappeared. 39 00:02:06,494 --> 00:02:08,360 The problem is, could she be alive? 40 00:02:08,395 --> 00:02:10,495 You know, and all these ideas that she ran away 41 00:02:10,564 --> 00:02:11,963 'cause her life was miserable. 42 00:02:12,033 --> 00:02:14,099 Spingola: On June 13, 2018, 43 00:02:14,169 --> 00:02:15,967 Tiffany went out for her nightly walk 44 00:02:16,037 --> 00:02:17,702 And was never seen or heard from again. 45 00:02:17,905 --> 00:02:20,171 A nearby atm captured tiffany 46 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,508 Getting into her boyfriend geramie campbell's car. 47 00:02:23,577 --> 00:02:24,976 When investigators learned 48 00:02:25,045 --> 00:02:26,778 About possible abuse in their relationship, 49 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,780 Geramie became the prime suspect in this case. 50 00:02:28,850 --> 00:02:30,515 Steve, I grew up in a world 51 00:02:30,584 --> 00:02:33,051 Where ladies walk around all the time with black eyes. 52 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,053 I can remember when I was a little girl, 53 00:02:35,255 --> 00:02:38,123 I'd be standing there saying, "mom, just leave him." 54 00:02:38,191 --> 00:02:40,926 And what did mom do? Took him back. 55 00:02:40,995 --> 00:02:43,862 It's just setup for the most volatile situation you can have. 56 00:02:43,931 --> 00:02:45,464 And I read a case like this 57 00:02:45,533 --> 00:02:46,998 And think it's everywhere, steve. 58 00:02:47,067 --> 00:02:50,836 It's my life. It's not just our job. It's everywhere. 59 00:02:54,809 --> 00:02:57,009 [rain pattering] 60 00:02:57,211 --> 00:02:59,044 Spingola: Oh, this is a mess. 61 00:03:00,781 --> 00:03:02,514 Puddles are as big as lakes. 62 00:03:02,516 --> 00:03:04,549 Siegler: I'll take this over your dang snow. 63 00:03:04,751 --> 00:03:06,551 Thank you, thank you. 64 00:03:06,620 --> 00:03:08,753 We almost melted. Hi. Nice to meet you. 65 00:03:08,956 --> 00:03:10,755 Chief steve spingola. Nice to meet you, sir. 66 00:03:10,757 --> 00:03:12,424 - Lieutenant lindley. - Detective wallace cunningham. 67 00:03:12,626 --> 00:03:13,959 Hey, wallace. Nice to see you. 68 00:03:14,161 --> 00:03:15,461 - And you don't... - Welcome. 69 00:03:15,662 --> 00:03:17,562 - Hey, bill. - How are you? 70 00:03:17,631 --> 00:03:19,632 - Good to see you, man. - Kelly. How you doing? 71 00:03:19,833 --> 00:03:21,766 - Glad to be back home with you. - Good to have you back. 72 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:23,969 Did y'all know that the case we worked with bill last time 73 00:03:24,171 --> 00:03:25,036 Ended with very good luck? 74 00:03:25,105 --> 00:03:26,237 I did. 75 00:03:26,306 --> 00:03:27,939 Which is kind of what y'all need 76 00:03:28,008 --> 00:03:29,641 To push it over the edge, right? 77 00:03:29,711 --> 00:03:32,043 Yes. I hope we can get some closure for the family. 78 00:03:32,113 --> 00:03:33,712 Y'all got a good spot for us to work in? 79 00:03:33,748 --> 00:03:34,847 - Absolutely. - All right, let's go. 80 00:03:35,048 --> 00:03:36,214 Let's go. 81 00:03:36,284 --> 00:03:38,116 Dunlap pd contracted me to come in 82 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:39,951 To assist with this case. 83 00:03:40,153 --> 00:03:43,388 And because of my experience with "cold justice" in the past, 84 00:03:43,458 --> 00:03:46,091 I knew that this was a really good opportunity. 85 00:03:46,127 --> 00:03:48,526 Tiffany missing has been like something missing 86 00:03:48,528 --> 00:03:50,262 From this community. 87 00:03:50,331 --> 00:03:54,065 It's time for some closure for her daughters, 88 00:03:54,135 --> 00:03:57,636 Her grandchildren, and other loved ones. 89 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:00,472 So, we can start with miss tiffany up on the board. 90 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:03,108 She was 42. 91 00:04:03,310 --> 00:04:05,344 Cunningham: From everybody we've talked to, 92 00:04:05,546 --> 00:04:08,146 She was a great mom, devoted grandmother. 93 00:04:08,349 --> 00:04:10,281 She had five daughters. 94 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:12,817 She had recently been through a separation. 95 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:14,753 She's loving and caring. 96 00:04:14,822 --> 00:04:17,089 You know, the single mother just trying to get by. 97 00:04:17,423 --> 00:04:19,524 So, the first thing we can do 98 00:04:19,726 --> 00:04:21,226 Is let you start running the case down to us. 99 00:04:21,328 --> 00:04:25,430 On June 13, 2018 at approximately 6:00 p.M., 100 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:28,633 Tiffany holbert went on a walk just around the neighborhood, 101 00:04:28,835 --> 00:04:30,502 Which wasn't unusual. 102 00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:31,970 The only thing she took with her was her cellphone. 103 00:04:32,172 --> 00:04:33,972 A couple hours went by. 104 00:04:34,041 --> 00:04:36,508 Her daughter had noticed that she wasn't home yet, 105 00:04:36,578 --> 00:04:39,244 And she was starting to worry about her. 106 00:04:40,347 --> 00:04:43,249 She called her cellphone, and she never answered. 107 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:44,984 Then the following day, 108 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:47,386 Her daughter ended up calling 911 109 00:04:47,588 --> 00:04:49,387 And reported her mother missing. 110 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:52,657 The investigators ended up getting some atm video. 111 00:04:52,859 --> 00:04:55,527 Tiffany walks right in front of the camera. 112 00:04:55,729 --> 00:04:57,595 You see her make a turn. 113 00:04:57,665 --> 00:04:59,265 You see her go onto the parking lot. 114 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:01,333 There's a car that actually pulls up, 115 00:05:01,535 --> 00:05:03,135 And she gets in the passenger side of the car 116 00:05:03,337 --> 00:05:04,803 And they drive off. 117 00:05:05,005 --> 00:05:06,472 - Describe the car. - Appeared to be 118 00:05:06,673 --> 00:05:09,741 A red pontiac bonneville sedan. 119 00:05:09,811 --> 00:05:12,744 We learned that car belonged to geramie campbell, 120 00:05:12,947 --> 00:05:14,614 Which was tiffany's boyfriend. 121 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:16,682 - Siegler: Okay. - The night that she disappeared 122 00:05:16,717 --> 00:05:18,883 The investigators asked him about her. 123 00:05:19,086 --> 00:05:22,554 He said that he hadn't spoke with her in three months. 124 00:05:22,756 --> 00:05:24,556 But he changed his tune when they said, 125 00:05:24,624 --> 00:05:26,691 "hey, we got atm video." 126 00:05:26,893 --> 00:05:28,893 Well, when that happened, the story changed. 127 00:05:29,096 --> 00:05:30,962 "yeah, she did get in the car with me. 128 00:05:31,032 --> 00:05:32,697 We were gonna go to my house." 129 00:05:32,899 --> 00:05:34,065 But he said they ended up 130 00:05:34,268 --> 00:05:35,900 Getting into an argument in the car. 131 00:05:36,103 --> 00:05:38,169 He said he just let her off on highway 111 132 00:05:38,239 --> 00:05:40,105 On the side of the road and he went home. 133 00:05:40,307 --> 00:05:41,573 And he had indicated 134 00:05:41,775 --> 00:05:43,175 That it was somewhere on top of the mountain 135 00:05:43,377 --> 00:05:44,509 Where he lets her out. 136 00:05:44,578 --> 00:05:46,578 Well, the investigators asked him, 137 00:05:46,646 --> 00:05:48,713 "can you show us where she got let out at?" 138 00:05:48,915 --> 00:05:50,715 He said, "I've hired an attorney. 139 00:05:50,917 --> 00:05:52,584 I can't talk to you." 140 00:05:52,652 --> 00:05:55,720 Although geramie was probably following his lawyer's advice, 141 00:05:55,789 --> 00:05:58,923 If he really did just let tiffany out of his car, 142 00:05:58,925 --> 00:06:01,926 You would think he would wanna help law enforcement find her. 143 00:06:02,129 --> 00:06:05,731 So is it possible that their argument escalated into murder? 144 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:09,500 He was 25. So, a 17-year difference? 145 00:06:09,503 --> 00:06:10,903 - Yeah. A 17-year difference. - Eee. 146 00:06:11,237 --> 00:06:12,704 Cunningham: He showed her some affection 147 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:14,739 And she just loved him to death. 148 00:06:14,941 --> 00:06:16,575 But it seemed like it was pretty common knowledge 149 00:06:16,777 --> 00:06:18,243 That he was violent towards tiffany. 150 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:19,978 There were rumors of abuse 151 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:21,813 Between tiffany and geramie's three-year relationship. 152 00:06:21,883 --> 00:06:24,483 We wanna see if there's any truth to these allegations 153 00:06:24,552 --> 00:06:25,684 And if it may have played a role 154 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:27,619 In what happened to her that night. 155 00:06:27,821 --> 00:06:29,855 Is there anything else big we need to put under geramie? 156 00:06:30,057 --> 00:06:31,424 He gives them notes. 157 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:33,759 Cunningham: He had given some handwritten notes 158 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,495 To the investigators that he said tiffany had wrote him. 159 00:06:36,564 --> 00:06:38,163 Which is kind of odd. 160 00:06:38,365 --> 00:06:41,032 According to him, she had written him a note 161 00:06:41,102 --> 00:06:43,435 Giving him directions on where to come pick her up. 162 00:06:43,637 --> 00:06:45,570 Are we still wondering if they really came from tiffany? 163 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:47,305 Yeah. 164 00:06:47,374 --> 00:06:49,507 After police approached geramie with the atm video, 165 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:50,975 He gave them a handwritten note 166 00:06:51,011 --> 00:06:52,844 That he claimed tiffany had given to him, 167 00:06:53,046 --> 00:06:55,547 Possibly to show that they had an amicable relationship. 168 00:06:55,615 --> 00:06:58,383 On the back were instructions where to meet her that night. 169 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:00,852 We sent that to our handwriting expert for analysis. 170 00:07:01,054 --> 00:07:02,722 If it was forged, that could go a long way 171 00:07:02,923 --> 00:07:04,389 In proving that geramie was involved 172 00:07:04,459 --> 00:07:05,991 And trying to cover his tracks. 173 00:07:06,326 --> 00:07:10,262 Okay. Now let's talk about miss gloria. 174 00:07:10,464 --> 00:07:12,331 Cunningham: Geramie's campbell's mother. 175 00:07:12,365 --> 00:07:14,466 - Siegler: She's 44. - Yeah. 176 00:07:14,602 --> 00:07:17,336 She was just pretty approximate to tiffany holbert's age. 177 00:07:17,537 --> 00:07:20,606 Evidently, she had instructed him 178 00:07:20,807 --> 00:07:23,142 Not to bring her to his house. 179 00:07:23,343 --> 00:07:25,344 Siegler: At the time of tiffany's disappearance, 180 00:07:25,378 --> 00:07:27,679 Geramie was living with his mother, gloria, 181 00:07:27,881 --> 00:07:29,881 Who did not like tiffany. 182 00:07:29,883 --> 00:07:31,951 So we have to consider the possibility 183 00:07:32,152 --> 00:07:36,021 That if geramie is responsible, his mom could have helped. 184 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:39,757 Approximately five days before tiffany holbert's disappearance, 185 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:42,094 Tiffany had been in an altercation at a car wash 186 00:07:42,296 --> 00:07:43,828 With gloria. 187 00:07:43,897 --> 00:07:45,397 Physical altercation. 188 00:07:45,566 --> 00:07:48,133 Cunningham: Both holbert and gloria were arrested. 189 00:07:48,268 --> 00:07:49,767 Siegler: Okay. The date? 190 00:07:49,837 --> 00:07:52,704 Yeah. They were set to go to court on 6/15. 191 00:07:52,707 --> 00:07:54,706 So just a couple days after she went missing. 192 00:07:54,776 --> 00:07:56,174 Siegler: You're trying to figure out 193 00:07:56,243 --> 00:07:58,810 Is she, like, mad about the car wash incident 194 00:07:59,012 --> 00:08:00,311 To where she's instigating the whole thing 195 00:08:00,380 --> 00:08:02,714 To see if she's involved or if she knows more, huh? 196 00:08:02,716 --> 00:08:03,648 Cunningham: Yeah. 197 00:08:03,851 --> 00:08:05,650 Okay. Next, mark coots. 198 00:08:05,852 --> 00:08:07,319 How does he know gloria and geramie? 199 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:10,055 - He's their neighbor? - He's their neighbor. 200 00:08:10,123 --> 00:08:11,689 Cunningham: When they went and served the search warrant 201 00:08:11,758 --> 00:08:14,459 At gloria's house, where geramie lived with his mother, 202 00:08:14,528 --> 00:08:16,995 He didn't like that they were messing with gloria. 203 00:08:17,064 --> 00:08:19,197 And while they were explaining the warrant to her, 204 00:08:19,266 --> 00:08:21,399 That's when coots tried to come barging in the door. 205 00:08:21,468 --> 00:08:22,467 Siegler: Okay. 206 00:08:22,537 --> 00:08:23,868 Coots was close to this family. 207 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:26,404 So the question is, did he help geramie? 208 00:08:26,607 --> 00:08:27,872 Cunningham: Yeah. 209 00:08:27,874 --> 00:08:29,441 Spingola: Whether he's involved or not, 210 00:08:29,642 --> 00:08:32,011 Mark coots is right in the center of this investigation. 211 00:08:32,212 --> 00:08:34,679 If geramie, gloria, or both of them killed tiffany, 212 00:08:34,748 --> 00:08:36,881 It's unlikely they'll give each other up. 213 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:39,818 So coots could be a co-defendant or our best witness. 214 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:41,987 All right, we got one more. 215 00:08:42,155 --> 00:08:44,723 This is charles o'rafferty. 216 00:08:44,791 --> 00:08:47,058 And he's the father of how many of the kids? 217 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:49,894 - I think all of 'em. - All of 'em? 218 00:08:49,963 --> 00:08:52,864 Spingola: Charles o'rafferty was tiffany's ex-husband. 219 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:55,433 They were childhood sweethearts, so they have a long history. 220 00:08:55,635 --> 00:08:57,635 Charles actually lived in the area that tiffany did, 221 00:08:57,838 --> 00:08:59,304 And they shared custody, 222 00:08:59,373 --> 00:09:01,706 So he had regular contact with tiffany and the children. 223 00:09:01,776 --> 00:09:04,976 According to the daughters, the divorce was mutual. 224 00:09:05,178 --> 00:09:07,245 But he's on our suspect board because who put him up here? 225 00:09:07,314 --> 00:09:08,379 Geramie threw his name out there. 226 00:09:08,915 --> 00:09:11,483 And what did geramie say specifically about o'rafferty? 227 00:09:11,651 --> 00:09:14,385 Cunningham: He said they've had domestic situations in the past. 228 00:09:14,455 --> 00:09:16,121 While it's possible that geramie 229 00:09:16,189 --> 00:09:18,790 Was trying to divert the investigation from himself, 230 00:09:18,858 --> 00:09:20,326 It's clear that we need to learn more 231 00:09:20,527 --> 00:09:22,027 About charles's relationship with tiffany 232 00:09:22,229 --> 00:09:24,496 At the time of the disappearance. 233 00:09:24,631 --> 00:09:28,801 Siegler: Let's consider the idea that tiffany just walked away. 234 00:09:29,002 --> 00:09:30,736 Maybe she just wasn't happy in her life. 235 00:09:30,937 --> 00:09:32,070 She had a rough life. 236 00:09:32,139 --> 00:09:34,605 Overwhelmed-- question mark, right? 237 00:09:34,674 --> 00:09:37,409 Siegler: Tiffany was struggling to get by financially. 238 00:09:37,611 --> 00:09:40,612 She was supporting multiple children and grandchildren. 239 00:09:40,815 --> 00:09:44,816 She also was dealing with two hard-of-hearing children. 240 00:09:44,884 --> 00:09:47,018 She had just had a foot procedure done 241 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:48,820 Which left her in a walking boot. 242 00:09:48,822 --> 00:09:50,455 She was recently divorced, 243 00:09:50,657 --> 00:09:52,423 And she was looking at an upcoming court date. 244 00:09:52,493 --> 00:09:55,226 Every kind of trouble you can have she had. 245 00:09:55,296 --> 00:09:59,764 So she had a lot of reasons to walk away if she could've. 246 00:09:59,834 --> 00:10:01,966 It's possible that all of that just overwhelmed her. 247 00:10:02,035 --> 00:10:04,969 But if she's gone as a result of foul play, 248 00:10:05,038 --> 00:10:06,971 Then we first need to prove that 249 00:10:07,173 --> 00:10:08,774 And then determine if one or more of our suspects 250 00:10:08,975 --> 00:10:09,908 Is responsible. 251 00:10:18,451 --> 00:10:20,852 We're gonna go talk to tiffany's daughters, 252 00:10:20,854 --> 00:10:22,454 Allison and chelsea. 253 00:10:22,656 --> 00:10:24,657 How old are these girls today? 254 00:10:24,858 --> 00:10:27,725 Early 20s. You know, they all loved their mother. 255 00:10:27,928 --> 00:10:30,661 In missing person cases, the family's not only dealing 256 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:32,597 With the loss of their loved one. 257 00:10:32,667 --> 00:10:34,266 They're looking at uncertainty, 258 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:37,936 Making it even more difficult for them to heal. 259 00:10:38,104 --> 00:10:40,605 And after just four years, 260 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:42,607 I'm sure the pain is still pretty fresh 261 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:44,475 With tiffany's daughters. 262 00:10:44,545 --> 00:10:46,679 - Hello, ladies. - Hello. 263 00:10:49,015 --> 00:10:50,816 Oh, baby, don't be nervous. 264 00:10:52,619 --> 00:10:54,619 This is gonna be okay. 265 00:10:54,689 --> 00:10:56,421 I'm gonna let you talk about your mom. 266 00:10:56,489 --> 00:10:57,955 I'm gonna ask you some questions. 267 00:10:58,025 --> 00:10:59,023 What's your name? 268 00:10:59,225 --> 00:11:00,358 - Chelsea. - You're chelsea? 269 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:02,026 - And you're allison? - Yeah. 270 00:11:02,095 --> 00:11:04,429 How about you just tell us about your mom? 271 00:11:04,631 --> 00:11:06,364 She was a great mom. 272 00:11:06,566 --> 00:11:08,499 She was always there. 273 00:11:08,569 --> 00:11:10,769 She never missed holidays, birthdays. 274 00:11:10,838 --> 00:11:12,771 How often would you talk to her? 275 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,273 Every day, all day. 276 00:11:14,474 --> 00:11:16,908 - All day long? - Whenever I felt like it, 277 00:11:16,976 --> 00:11:18,443 I just picked up the phone and called her. 278 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:20,244 - Over nothing. - Over nothing. 279 00:11:20,414 --> 00:11:23,314 My mom was amazing. She was a hard worker. 280 00:11:23,384 --> 00:11:26,651 She loved her grandkids. She was always there for us. 281 00:11:32,258 --> 00:11:35,126 Four years ago, did your mom have anything at all 282 00:11:35,328 --> 00:11:37,529 Going on with your dad? 283 00:11:37,731 --> 00:11:39,130 Chelsea: Just the divorce. 284 00:11:39,332 --> 00:11:40,531 They weren't doing a back-and-forth relationship, 285 00:11:40,601 --> 00:11:41,966 Romance thing at all? 286 00:11:42,168 --> 00:11:43,735 - Mm-mmm. - Can you remember 287 00:11:43,803 --> 00:11:46,638 The first time you ever laid eyes on this new man, geramie? 288 00:11:46,841 --> 00:11:48,940 Yeah. And I couldn't stand him from day one. 289 00:11:49,008 --> 00:11:50,942 How come? 290 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:53,478 I just didn't like his attitude and he was our age. 291 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:56,681 They had a pretty tumultuous, I guess, relationship. 292 00:11:56,751 --> 00:11:58,216 Was it physical? 293 00:11:58,284 --> 00:11:59,751 - Yes, it was physical. - It was physical. 294 00:11:59,819 --> 00:12:01,285 He would always put his hands on her. 295 00:12:01,488 --> 00:12:03,921 And one time he shoved her up against the refrigerator 296 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:05,557 In front of all of us. 297 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:08,093 She had a black eye at one point, right? 298 00:12:08,294 --> 00:12:09,961 - A big ol' black eye. - Okay. 299 00:12:10,163 --> 00:12:12,230 It was-it was-it was bad. 300 00:12:12,298 --> 00:12:14,632 Their relationship changed over time? 301 00:12:14,634 --> 00:12:16,502 Yeah. She had told us at one point they wasn't dating, 302 00:12:16,703 --> 00:12:18,302 And it was a lie. 303 00:12:18,505 --> 00:12:20,438 Okay. She was still seeing him. 304 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,573 They were just "having sex." 305 00:12:22,643 --> 00:12:24,575 And why do you think your mom was hiding it from y'all? 306 00:12:24,645 --> 00:12:26,711 'cause she knew that we didn't like him. 307 00:12:26,781 --> 00:12:30,916 We're gonna try and find out exactly what happened, okay? 308 00:12:31,117 --> 00:12:34,719 It's just like a nightmare that never ends. 309 00:12:34,789 --> 00:12:36,187 Well, that's the thing. 310 00:12:36,257 --> 00:12:38,155 Your nightmare's been going on for four years. 311 00:12:38,259 --> 00:12:40,259 [sobs] 312 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:42,127 And I think it's time for us 313 00:12:42,328 --> 00:12:44,062 To try and get you some answers, okay? 314 00:12:44,131 --> 00:12:46,464 Thank you. We appreciate it. 315 00:12:46,533 --> 00:12:49,201 Tiffany's daughters are the same age that I was 316 00:12:49,402 --> 00:12:51,737 When I remember my mom being abused, 317 00:12:51,938 --> 00:12:54,939 And I know what that feels like, and I know how hopeless you feel 318 00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:57,141 When you look at your mom going through all that. 319 00:12:57,210 --> 00:12:59,811 - Try not to worry. - Thank you. 320 00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:01,880 And it makes me just madder and more determined 321 00:13:01,882 --> 00:13:04,883 To try and get them some justice and some answers. 322 00:13:16,695 --> 00:13:18,529 Siegler: Heather weaver. 323 00:13:19,566 --> 00:13:21,232 She was really good friends with tiffany, 324 00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:23,235 So you should get some insights. 325 00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:27,638 In 2018, 42-year-old mother and grandmother, 326 00:13:27,841 --> 00:13:29,107 Tiffany holbert, disappeared. 327 00:13:29,276 --> 00:13:31,110 The question still remains, 328 00:13:31,311 --> 00:13:33,245 Was she the victim of foul play? 329 00:13:33,446 --> 00:13:36,914 Possibly at the hands of one or more of our suspects. 330 00:13:36,984 --> 00:13:39,784 Or was she just so overwhelmed with her life 331 00:13:39,985 --> 00:13:42,688 That she just simply up and walked away? 332 00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:44,856 [knocking] 333 00:13:45,058 --> 00:13:46,124 Hello there. 334 00:13:46,293 --> 00:13:47,992 We need to learn all that we can 335 00:13:48,062 --> 00:13:50,595 About tiffany's relationships, pressures, 336 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,898 And problems she was dealing with at the time. 337 00:13:53,099 --> 00:13:54,599 So we wanna talk to everyone we can 338 00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:56,368 Who knew her the very best. 339 00:13:56,569 --> 00:13:59,470 Cunningham: We just wanna talk a little bit about your cousin. 340 00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:02,473 Tiffany was the most kindest-hearted person 341 00:14:02,542 --> 00:14:04,776 I've-I've ever known. 342 00:14:04,911 --> 00:14:06,344 She was a great mother. 343 00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:07,879 Every time I ever talked to her, 344 00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:09,280 She was doing something for the kids, 345 00:14:09,349 --> 00:14:10,815 Doing something for the grandkids. 346 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:12,884 You couldn't separate her and them grandbabies. 347 00:14:12,886 --> 00:14:14,486 You just couldn't. So when I found out 348 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:17,021 That she just up and left, I was shocked. 349 00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:19,757 She would not leave and not come back. 350 00:14:19,827 --> 00:14:21,426 That's not her. 351 00:14:21,628 --> 00:14:24,096 She was too much of a devoted mother and grandmother. 352 00:14:24,297 --> 00:14:25,763 Too much. 353 00:14:25,833 --> 00:14:27,899 Cunningham: Did you know her relationship with geramie? 354 00:14:28,068 --> 00:14:31,001 When she told me she was dating jerk monkey, 355 00:14:31,038 --> 00:14:33,504 And I was like, "okay. I wanna meet him." 356 00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:36,574 I did not like the vibe the first time I met him. 357 00:14:36,644 --> 00:14:38,509 As soon as he shook my hand, I wanted to punch him in the face. 358 00:14:38,578 --> 00:14:41,045 I'm not gonna lie to you. I could feel his ego. 359 00:14:41,247 --> 00:14:44,750 I did not like him at all. I'm gonna get emotional. 360 00:14:44,951 --> 00:14:46,484 Cunningham: Yeah. I know. It's hard. 361 00:14:46,554 --> 00:14:49,053 Weaver: I hurt for her daughters and her grandkids. 362 00:14:49,255 --> 00:14:52,791 [sobs] 363 00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:54,725 I'm not much help. 364 00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:56,528 - Oh, yes, you are. - You've been a great help. 365 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:58,931 Siegler: You're doing a lot of help. 366 00:14:59,132 --> 00:15:02,000 It's not enough to bring her home, though. 367 00:15:10,543 --> 00:15:12,476 Siegler: Oh, he's already at the door. 368 00:15:12,546 --> 00:15:15,246 - Hey. You charles wynn? - Yes, sir. 369 00:15:15,248 --> 00:15:18,349 You worked with tiffany holbert a few years ago at the... 370 00:15:18,419 --> 00:15:20,619 As a matter of fact, my station was just right in front of hers. 371 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,821 But the thing of it is two weeks before she disappeared, 372 00:15:23,891 --> 00:15:25,624 She got a management promotion. 373 00:15:25,825 --> 00:15:26,957 Siegler: Can you remember? 374 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,494 Did tiffany pick up her last paycheck? 375 00:15:29,696 --> 00:15:31,162 - She didn't. - You remember that? 376 00:15:31,232 --> 00:15:33,698 Yes, ma'am. If she was gonna up and run, 377 00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:35,766 She'd have come and got some money. 378 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:38,235 We already thought that tiffany probably didn't just walk away, 379 00:15:38,438 --> 00:15:39,637 But when you factor in 380 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:41,038 That she had just gotten a promotion at work 381 00:15:41,108 --> 00:15:43,174 She was very excited about 382 00:15:43,244 --> 00:15:45,644 And this woman who was so financially dire 383 00:15:45,845 --> 00:15:47,646 Didn't pick up her last paycheck, 384 00:15:47,847 --> 00:15:50,448 It doesn't make any sense that tiffany would just walk away. 385 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:52,050 Cunningham: Did you ever see her boyfriend? 386 00:15:52,251 --> 00:15:54,585 Yeah. I actually had to run him off the property once. 387 00:15:54,621 --> 00:15:56,989 When I got there, I was a little late. 388 00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:58,991 And he actually had his arm in the car. 389 00:15:59,192 --> 00:16:02,059 He was trying to reach in and grab hold of it. 390 00:16:02,128 --> 00:16:05,329 - Siegler: Did she look scare? - Oh, yeah. 391 00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:08,399 Oh, she'd tell us stories about a guy that would just-- 392 00:16:08,469 --> 00:16:10,335 I mean, it would scare you to death. 393 00:16:10,537 --> 00:16:12,270 Siegler: Give us the stories. 394 00:16:12,338 --> 00:16:15,272 Her and her daughter had left and went to the grocery store. 395 00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:16,941 Well, I guess they didn't get back in time. 396 00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:18,877 Well, he shows up there, 397 00:16:19,079 --> 00:16:22,280 Literally reaches in the car and grabs her by the throat 398 00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:24,148 And tries to pull her through the window. 399 00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:26,351 That's what she had been telling us. 400 00:16:26,553 --> 00:16:28,887 - Thank y'all very much. - I appreciate your time. 401 00:16:29,089 --> 00:16:32,490 Charles witnessing the violent act by geramie 402 00:16:32,693 --> 00:16:34,726 Not only suggests that the rumors were true, 403 00:16:34,928 --> 00:16:36,628 But if geramie killed her, 404 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:38,963 It could be a clue into how he did it. 405 00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:41,632 Woman: 406 00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:43,302 Hi, dawn. This is detective cunningham 407 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:44,903 With the dunlap police department. 408 00:16:45,105 --> 00:16:47,939 We're doing an investigation into tiffany holbert. 409 00:16:55,648 --> 00:16:58,049 So, you saw bruises. 410 00:16:58,118 --> 00:17:01,619 Did anybody ever ask her where she got the bruises? 411 00:17:07,660 --> 00:17:08,626 Geramie. Okay. 412 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:19,637 So, she's pretty open about the abuse. 413 00:17:21,274 --> 00:17:23,408 Siegler: It's common for victims of abuse 414 00:17:23,509 --> 00:17:25,744 To keep all that hidden because they're embarrassed 415 00:17:25,945 --> 00:17:27,479 And they don't want people to know about it 416 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,847 Out of proud or fear. 417 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:32,150 Fortunately for us, though, tiffany did talk, 418 00:17:32,351 --> 00:17:35,185 And all of these witnesses were adding beautiful pieces 419 00:17:35,222 --> 00:17:36,154 To the story. 420 00:17:46,165 --> 00:17:47,465 Mm-hmm. 421 00:17:56,375 --> 00:17:57,575 How you doing? 422 00:17:57,643 --> 00:17:58,843 Hi. I'm diane's little brother. 423 00:17:59,178 --> 00:18:00,445 Steve spingola. Nice to meet you. 424 00:18:00,647 --> 00:18:02,413 We've been getting great information 425 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:05,049 From tiffany's friends about her allegedly abusive relationship 426 00:18:05,117 --> 00:18:06,450 With geramie. 427 00:18:06,653 --> 00:18:07,786 But we're hoping she opened up even more 428 00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:09,119 To her father and brother. 429 00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,055 We just wanna sit down with you guys 430 00:18:11,124 --> 00:18:12,623 And ask you a few questions. 431 00:18:12,693 --> 00:18:13,792 Let you tell us what you think 432 00:18:13,993 --> 00:18:16,461 About the relationships she was in. 433 00:18:16,663 --> 00:18:17,796 Wayne: He used to smack her around. 434 00:18:17,997 --> 00:18:19,463 You're talking about geramie now. 435 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:21,699 Yeah. She'd come home with black and bruises, 436 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:23,802 And we'd ask her, "what happened?" 437 00:18:24,004 --> 00:18:25,370 "oh, I fell." 438 00:18:25,571 --> 00:18:27,472 We knew better. 439 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,474 But she would never tell us that he would do all this. 440 00:18:30,677 --> 00:18:32,576 But it was all the time. 441 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,545 She'd come home with black and bruises. 442 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:36,881 Her eyes black. 443 00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:38,883 Did you know when she would come home like that 444 00:18:38,952 --> 00:18:40,151 That she had been with geramie? 445 00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:42,087 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 446 00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:43,822 'cause he'd pull up and drop her off. 447 00:18:44,023 --> 00:18:44,890 Yeah. 448 00:18:49,229 --> 00:18:50,961 You're talking about o'rafferty? 449 00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:52,430 I mean, he's part of the investigation. 450 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:58,270 Well, just tell me a little about that. 451 00:19:03,776 --> 00:19:05,242 Okay. 452 00:19:05,312 --> 00:19:07,379 We were thinking we'd be getting more on geramie, 453 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:09,347 But instead we're hearing about charles, 454 00:19:09,515 --> 00:19:11,183 And it sounds like their marriage was a lot worse 455 00:19:11,384 --> 00:19:12,517 Than we initially thought, 456 00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:14,285 And we need to take a harder look at charles 457 00:19:14,454 --> 00:19:16,187 As a possible suspect. 458 00:19:16,389 --> 00:19:19,423 We need to get something done. We need to get something done. 459 00:19:32,971 --> 00:19:36,274 That's him. Just like his picture. 460 00:19:37,009 --> 00:19:38,543 This is a beautiful hill here. 461 00:19:39,845 --> 00:19:41,412 How's it going? I'm wallace. You care if I call you chucky? 462 00:19:43,683 --> 00:19:44,048 - Or you want me to call you... - Everybody calls me chuck. 463 00:19:44,049 --> 00:19:44,414 - Chuck? - Yeah. 464 00:19:45,418 --> 00:19:46,117 Tiffany's ex-husband, charles o'rafferty, 465 00:19:46,886 --> 00:19:47,718 Became a suspect in this case 466 00:19:48,888 --> 00:19:50,621 After geramie mentioned his name to law enforcement. 467 00:19:50,691 --> 00:19:51,422 I appreciate you talking with me. 468 00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:53,090 Well, I ain't got nothing to hide. 469 00:19:53,494 --> 00:19:56,460 We need to talk to charles about his relationship with tiffany 470 00:19:56,463 --> 00:19:59,897 And where he may have been on the night tiffany disappeared. 471 00:20:00,099 --> 00:20:02,800 Cunningham: How old were you guys when you got together? 472 00:20:02,868 --> 00:20:04,902 Tiffany was like 12, and I was 13. 473 00:20:04,972 --> 00:20:07,438 So, you probably know her better than anybody. 474 00:20:07,508 --> 00:20:09,508 - Well, I used to think I did... - Yeah. 475 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:11,442 ...Until we got a divorce. 476 00:20:11,512 --> 00:20:14,044 How would you describe your and tiffany's relationship? 477 00:20:14,247 --> 00:20:16,247 I loved her and she loved me. 478 00:20:16,316 --> 00:20:18,048 Did y'all fight? 479 00:20:18,251 --> 00:20:21,286 There was times we'd fight over certain things like money. 480 00:20:21,487 --> 00:20:25,189 - It didn't get physical. - No? We argued. No. Uh-uh. 481 00:20:25,391 --> 00:20:26,458 I'd never hit her. I loved her too much. 482 00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:27,992 - And I still do today. - Mm-hmm. 483 00:20:28,061 --> 00:20:29,727 When's the last time you talked to tiffany? 484 00:20:29,929 --> 00:20:31,730 I just got out of jail. 485 00:20:31,931 --> 00:20:33,097 The kids had a little dinner for me 486 00:20:33,299 --> 00:20:34,532 'cause I just got home. 487 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,133 - Mm-hmm. - And she was there. 488 00:20:36,203 --> 00:20:37,936 And I said, "why aren't you outside mingling with us?" 489 00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:39,737 She was on the phone, whatever. 490 00:20:39,939 --> 00:20:41,872 She said, "I'm fine in here," and I said, "okay." 491 00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:44,141 - That's kind of the end of it? - That was the end of it. 492 00:20:44,211 --> 00:20:46,010 That was the last time I'd ever talk to her. 493 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:48,346 Who do you think geramie blames for tiffany going missing? 494 00:20:48,547 --> 00:20:50,148 Probably me. That's what my girls said. 495 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:52,082 - Why? He don't know me. - Mm-hmm. 496 00:20:52,285 --> 00:20:54,752 And I wasn't even around her. How could I? I had a girlfriend. 497 00:20:54,954 --> 00:20:57,154 Yeah. You had nothing to do with her going missing? 498 00:20:57,156 --> 00:20:59,356 I have nothing to do with nothing, sir. 499 00:20:59,426 --> 00:21:01,959 But I wish it was over one way or another 500 00:21:02,161 --> 00:21:03,494 So my children can rest, 501 00:21:03,564 --> 00:21:05,496 'cause you don't know how they call me. 502 00:21:05,566 --> 00:21:07,632 And it's hard to be a strong daddy 503 00:21:07,733 --> 00:21:09,533 When somebody that you love is not there. 504 00:21:09,568 --> 00:21:10,835 Cunningham: Mm-hmm. 505 00:21:11,036 --> 00:21:12,636 Yeah. It's rough. 506 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:15,372 You can tell he still loves her even after their divorce, 507 00:21:15,442 --> 00:21:16,908 And he seems sincere. 508 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:18,575 He's trying to be there for his daughters 509 00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:20,044 After the loss of their mother. 510 00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:21,779 More decent than I'd thought he would be. 511 00:21:21,848 --> 00:21:24,883 Seems like he's-he's authentic. 512 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:29,054 [line ringing] 513 00:21:29,255 --> 00:21:30,788 Hey, elisha. 514 00:21:30,990 --> 00:21:32,923 This is wallace up here at the police department. 515 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,659 Now that we've talked to tiffany's ex-husband, 516 00:21:35,729 --> 00:21:37,195 We're gonna turn our focus back 517 00:21:37,397 --> 00:21:39,596 To the other man in her life, geramie campbell. 518 00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:41,799 The day before tiffany went missing, 519 00:21:41,935 --> 00:21:44,869 According to reports, she saw her friend elisha green, 520 00:21:44,938 --> 00:21:47,337 Who handled her car loan at the local bank. 521 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:51,809 You had talked with her the day before she went missing 522 00:21:51,877 --> 00:21:53,345 At the american trust. 523 00:21:53,546 --> 00:21:55,880 Do you remember anything about that day? 524 00:22:06,025 --> 00:22:08,293 Well, what did she say about her boyfriend? 525 00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,463 You think she was scared of him? 526 00:22:14,901 --> 00:22:15,767 Okay. 527 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:18,869 Yeah. 528 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,907 Oh, really? What makes you say that? 529 00:22:23,976 --> 00:22:25,109 Yeah. 530 00:22:26,913 --> 00:22:28,913 Yeah. 531 00:22:28,982 --> 00:22:30,782 Oh. He would say stuff like that? 532 00:22:33,052 --> 00:22:34,552 Wow. 533 00:22:45,397 --> 00:22:48,265 - Mr. Sperry, can you hear us? - I can hear you, yes. 534 00:22:48,335 --> 00:22:49,934 Okay, guys, this is grant sperry. 535 00:22:50,136 --> 00:22:52,269 He is a handwriting analysis expert, 536 00:22:52,339 --> 00:22:54,471 So let's see if he can bring us some luck today. 537 00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:55,806 With everything that we're learning 538 00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:58,142 About tiffany and geramie's relationship, 539 00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:00,945 It's time to take a closer look at the love note 540 00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:02,680 That he gave law enforcement 541 00:23:02,748 --> 00:23:05,115 After being confronted with the atm video. 542 00:23:05,185 --> 00:23:07,150 He claimed that she wrote it 543 00:23:07,187 --> 00:23:09,653 As well as the instructions on the back 544 00:23:09,690 --> 00:23:13,624 About when and where to meet the very day she went missing. 545 00:23:13,694 --> 00:23:15,159 We sent the note 546 00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:17,628 And some handwriting examples from tiffany 547 00:23:17,698 --> 00:23:19,496 To our handwriting expert for comparison. 548 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:21,966 If the note is a forgery, 549 00:23:22,168 --> 00:23:24,768 That could be a huge piece of circumstantial evidence 550 00:23:24,971 --> 00:23:26,970 Where geramie was trying to cover up his involvement. 551 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,174 Tell us what you got, mr. Sperry. 552 00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:32,176 Detective cunningham submitted 553 00:23:32,245 --> 00:23:36,180 A number of note writings of tiffany holbert. 554 00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:41,051 So I compared the note writings to "I love you, geramie" 555 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:42,586 Which is on the front of this note. 556 00:23:42,788 --> 00:23:45,055 And I had absolutely no difficulty 557 00:23:45,124 --> 00:23:48,926 In concluding that it was written by tiffany. 558 00:23:49,128 --> 00:23:54,131 So then I began a comparison of the p.S. Related entry 559 00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:56,401 To these note writings, 560 00:23:56,602 --> 00:23:59,236 And I found a number of differences. 561 00:23:59,305 --> 00:24:03,640 This "d" is made in this fashion here. 562 00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:07,811 And the d's throughout the note writings 563 00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:10,080 Are more of a cursive-style "d." 564 00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:12,149 Also the a's, 565 00:24:12,351 --> 00:24:15,086 The staff of the "a" 566 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:19,489 Is more abbreviated than we have in the "a" in "and." 567 00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:22,092 There are differences. 568 00:24:22,194 --> 00:24:23,460 One of the things that was significant, 569 00:24:23,663 --> 00:24:24,962 And I just touched on here. 570 00:24:25,098 --> 00:24:27,030 Remember what I said earlier 571 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:30,100 That this "I love you, geramie," 572 00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:32,936 It was written by tiffany. 573 00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:35,505 But these entries in this postscript 574 00:24:35,708 --> 00:24:37,441 Are totally inconsistent with the habits 575 00:24:37,643 --> 00:24:39,911 That we have represented in "I love you, geramie." 576 00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:42,347 So these were penned at a different time 577 00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:44,648 Which could explain the differences 578 00:24:44,717 --> 00:24:47,051 In some of the writing features and characteristics. 579 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,919 The writing on the back 580 00:24:48,989 --> 00:24:52,656 Is not consistent or contemporaneous 581 00:24:52,858 --> 00:24:53,991 With the writing on the front? 582 00:24:54,127 --> 00:24:55,459 - That's correct. - Okay. 583 00:24:55,528 --> 00:24:58,463 I mean, that's pretty good. 584 00:24:58,664 --> 00:25:00,397 If the notes on the front and the back 585 00:25:00,467 --> 00:25:01,699 Were written at different times, 586 00:25:01,868 --> 00:25:03,935 It raises the possibility 587 00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:07,170 That geramie wrote or had somebody else write 588 00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:10,140 The instructions for meeting tiffany on the back. 589 00:25:10,209 --> 00:25:13,143 But why take all that risk of forging a note 590 00:25:13,212 --> 00:25:15,947 Just to show that tiffany wanted to see him that night? 591 00:25:16,148 --> 00:25:19,349 You're thinking the bright green writing got on there later 592 00:25:19,418 --> 00:25:21,651 With somebody else. 593 00:25:21,688 --> 00:25:23,153 Everything he just told us 594 00:25:23,222 --> 00:25:26,157 Is still consistent with that theory. Okay. 595 00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:38,936 Well, have you thought about 596 00:25:39,170 --> 00:25:41,940 That if you didn't have that atm camera shot 597 00:25:42,808 --> 00:25:44,241 Where your case would be without it? 598 00:25:44,443 --> 00:25:45,375 I don't know if we'd have a case. 599 00:25:45,577 --> 00:25:46,643 I know. 600 00:25:46,712 --> 00:25:48,378 We know from our atm video 601 00:25:48,581 --> 00:25:50,915 That tiffany holbert got into our suspect geramie campbell's 602 00:25:51,117 --> 00:25:53,784 Maroon pontiac and they drove off. 603 00:25:53,854 --> 00:25:57,187 But in the hopes of trying to better understand her mindset 604 00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:59,457 In those final moments, 605 00:25:59,659 --> 00:26:01,391 We wanna take the walk that she did 606 00:26:01,594 --> 00:26:02,493 From her trailer to the bank. 607 00:26:04,663 --> 00:26:07,197 This is our trailer. Help me understand the walk. 608 00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:10,067 Tiffany made this little routine walk. 609 00:26:10,135 --> 00:26:12,670 This day she walked a little longer than normal, 610 00:26:12,871 --> 00:26:14,872 And she didn't have her grandkids with her. 611 00:26:14,941 --> 00:26:17,275 So I guess she would come out the steps there. 612 00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:20,344 She would go down the gravel drive, turn left. 613 00:26:20,413 --> 00:26:21,745 Siegler: So let's walk up 614 00:26:21,947 --> 00:26:24,382 To appreciate kind of where she's going. 615 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:27,517 As I walk in tiffany's footsteps, 616 00:26:27,587 --> 00:26:31,688 I appreciate how at the age of 42 years old, 617 00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:35,292 She was trying so hard to regain her youth, 618 00:26:35,362 --> 00:26:39,697 And then she hooks up with this guy so much younger than her 619 00:26:39,898 --> 00:26:42,532 Who was allegedly abusing her, 620 00:26:42,735 --> 00:26:44,501 And all she was trying to do 621 00:26:44,571 --> 00:26:47,071 Was do everything she could to please him to keep him happy. 622 00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:50,975 This is a really good walk on a hurt leg. 623 00:26:52,511 --> 00:26:54,645 She gets up somewhere, I believe, in this area. 624 00:26:54,714 --> 00:26:55,779 Siegler: Okay. 625 00:26:55,882 --> 00:26:57,681 Phillips: And then you see 626 00:26:57,883 --> 00:26:59,716 The maroon vehicle pull onto that lot. 627 00:26:59,786 --> 00:27:02,252 Siegler: Okay, so that's where we first see the red car. 628 00:27:02,255 --> 00:27:04,521 This is when tiffany throws her hands up. 629 00:27:04,591 --> 00:27:06,323 Siegler: Why do you think she does that? 630 00:27:06,525 --> 00:27:09,292 I think she's frustrated because now she's got to walk there. 631 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:12,596 So then she just walks across the street. 632 00:27:12,665 --> 00:27:14,731 He made no effort to make this easier on her. 633 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,700 Siegler: No. 634 00:27:17,536 --> 00:27:20,137 Okay, so, here's where he stopped, right? 635 00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:21,872 So, tiffany comes up. 636 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,074 The passenger door opens. 637 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,276 She goes in the vehicle, and then the door closes. 638 00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:27,545 Siegler: Okay. 639 00:27:27,747 --> 00:27:30,213 And the car takes off pretty quickly. 640 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,683 That way, toward highway 111. 641 00:27:32,752 --> 00:27:34,351 Siegler: And we don't know which way it goes on 111, huh? 642 00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:36,286 - Can't tell. - Can't tell. Okay. 643 00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:39,623 'cause, steve, he's not taking her somewhere to start a fight. 644 00:27:39,691 --> 00:27:41,491 He's taking her somewhere to get some. 645 00:27:41,693 --> 00:27:42,959 I don't think they ever got that far. 646 00:27:42,963 --> 00:27:44,895 Ah, he's gonna have sex. 647 00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:46,430 That's the only thing he can think about. 648 00:27:46,499 --> 00:27:48,298 We don't know what geramie's attentions were that night. 649 00:27:48,367 --> 00:27:49,766 The police searched his vehicle 650 00:27:49,836 --> 00:27:51,802 And found no evidence of sexual intercourse 651 00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:53,170 Or a struggle. 652 00:27:53,305 --> 00:27:55,906 Maybe an analysis of geramie's text messages 653 00:27:56,041 --> 00:27:58,642 Will give us an indication of his state of mind that evening. 654 00:27:58,844 --> 00:28:01,511 So, the last time you ever see tiffany alive is right here. 655 00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:04,114 Right here. That's the last known video 656 00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:07,184 Of her being alive or anywhere. 657 00:28:07,386 --> 00:28:09,252 Siegler: Dang. That's just luck, you know. 658 00:28:09,322 --> 00:28:11,255 She happened to walk in front of that camera. 659 00:28:18,297 --> 00:28:20,864 - This is eric devlin. - How are you? Eric devlin. 660 00:28:20,933 --> 00:28:22,265 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 661 00:28:22,335 --> 00:28:24,067 Siegler: In a case that's only four years old, 662 00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:26,671 Cellphones could provide the key piece of evidence 663 00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:28,205 That we're looking for. 664 00:28:28,407 --> 00:28:30,073 Unfortunately, tiffany's phone 665 00:28:30,143 --> 00:28:32,609 Was quickly powered off and never recovered, 666 00:28:32,679 --> 00:28:36,313 So tower location and data are not available 667 00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:38,482 And geramie did not have a phone. 668 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:42,153 However, he did use a messaging app called textnow. 669 00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:44,322 - You ready to get started? - Siegler: Yes. 670 00:28:44,523 --> 00:28:46,957 Our digital forensics expert, eric devlin, 671 00:28:47,027 --> 00:28:50,161 Was able to examine recovered messages 672 00:28:50,362 --> 00:28:53,897 Between tiffany and geramie from the day of her disappearance. 673 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,233 Maybe there's something said between them 674 00:28:56,435 --> 00:28:58,836 That points to geramie as her killer. 675 00:28:59,037 --> 00:29:01,773 This is the text messages on geramie's account 676 00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:03,507 Regarding tiffany. 677 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:06,443 They're bickering back and forth on 6/13. 678 00:29:06,645 --> 00:29:07,577 - Our day of. - Correct. 679 00:29:07,779 --> 00:29:09,180 - Okay. - June 13th, 680 00:29:09,382 --> 00:29:10,682 Tiffany sends geramie... 681 00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:26,497 Geramie then replies... 682 00:29:28,801 --> 00:29:30,034 Tiffany then replies... 683 00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:35,673 So, they're talking about dumping and breaking up here. 684 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:37,341 - She's worried to death... - Yeah. 685 00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:38,741 ...He's gonna not talk to her. 686 00:29:38,811 --> 00:29:40,310 Devlin: Tiffany replies... 687 00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:45,349 Geramie replies... 688 00:29:52,391 --> 00:29:54,057 He's horny, and she's trying to say, 689 00:29:54,094 --> 00:29:55,759 "I took my boot off, but I'm in pain. 690 00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:57,494 I'm really not feeling like sex right now, dude," 691 00:29:57,564 --> 00:29:58,895 And he's still going. 692 00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:00,564 - That's exactly what it is. - He's horny. 693 00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:01,732 Devlin: Tiffany replies... 694 00:30:16,181 --> 00:30:18,449 Geramie replies at 5:36 p.M... 695 00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:21,719 5:36 he's leaving. 696 00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:24,255 Devlin: Tiffany replies... 697 00:30:27,526 --> 00:30:29,593 She's bringing up black eyes. 698 00:30:29,728 --> 00:30:31,661 - Right. - Like it's a reminder. 699 00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:33,197 Good god. 700 00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:36,400 When you hear the nature of their relationship 701 00:30:36,602 --> 00:30:41,538 And how horribly mean geramie is to tiffany, 702 00:30:41,608 --> 00:30:44,808 You can kind of feel how borderline desperate she is 703 00:30:44,877 --> 00:30:46,743 To try and keep that relationship going, 704 00:30:46,813 --> 00:30:48,478 Which makes it really, really sad. 705 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,281 I don't know where we're ever gonna get a case 706 00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:52,817 That has this much information just from text messages. 707 00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:54,017 It's wonderful. 708 00:30:54,153 --> 00:30:55,652 What also is interesting here, 709 00:30:55,721 --> 00:30:57,754 Starting at the one at 5:00 p.M., 710 00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,723 These messages are actually all deleted at this point in time. 711 00:30:59,725 --> 00:31:01,358 All these are deleted messages? 712 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,160 - Devlin: Yep. - Oh! 713 00:31:03,228 --> 00:31:05,462 Our records show that these texts 714 00:31:05,664 --> 00:31:09,266 Were the last time that geramie ever contacted tiffany, 715 00:31:09,335 --> 00:31:12,303 And they were deleted possibly by geramie, 716 00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:14,971 Initially trying to hide the fact that they had met up. 717 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,974 Is it possible that after the police department 718 00:31:17,175 --> 00:31:18,975 Confronted him with the video 719 00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:21,178 Showing her getting into his car 720 00:31:21,246 --> 00:31:23,413 He felt he needed to explain 721 00:31:23,483 --> 00:31:26,584 How he knew when and where to meet her that day? 722 00:31:26,785 --> 00:31:29,819 So he took an old love note she had written, 723 00:31:29,889 --> 00:31:31,855 Added the instructions on the back 724 00:31:31,923 --> 00:31:33,523 And gave them to the police. 725 00:31:33,859 --> 00:31:35,326 This "I love you, geramie" 726 00:31:35,527 --> 00:31:38,295 And this postscript are totally inconsistent. 727 00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:41,064 So these were penned at a different time. 728 00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:43,634 Was geramie going through extra efforts 729 00:31:43,836 --> 00:31:45,268 To cover his tracks? 730 00:31:45,471 --> 00:31:47,772 It shows time. It shows motive. 731 00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:49,607 It shows mindset. It shows everything. 732 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:06,524 Spingola: Mark charles coots. He's the neighbor of paulet. 733 00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:07,959 You know, he was pretty docile 734 00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:09,160 Up until they served the search warrant 735 00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:10,628 That he went zonkers. 736 00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:12,362 - What business is of yours? - Yeah. 737 00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:14,899 Mark coots placed himself on law enforcement radar 738 00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:17,300 When he became hostile as law enforcement attempted 739 00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:18,835 To search geramie and his mother's trailer. 740 00:32:18,905 --> 00:32:21,305 Hey. How you doing? You mr. Coots? 741 00:32:21,507 --> 00:32:22,907 Yeah. 742 00:32:23,108 --> 00:32:24,908 Was he innocently protecting his friends 743 00:32:24,977 --> 00:32:27,244 Or interfering with police when they were attempting 744 00:32:27,312 --> 00:32:29,379 To uncover evidence in the murder of tiffany? 745 00:32:29,449 --> 00:32:33,249 Geramie and his mom, they was good neighbors. 746 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:34,919 Good friends. 747 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,388 Geramie used to come here to hang out, 748 00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:40,390 'cause I was like his second dad. 749 00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:44,661 What does he say about her being gone and nobody can find her? 750 00:32:44,731 --> 00:32:48,231 Coots: She told him to come over or something 751 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,934 Up there in dunlap somewhere where she lived at. 752 00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:53,603 And he went up there. He was in the red car. 753 00:32:53,672 --> 00:32:56,607 They drove off and left, 754 00:32:56,808 --> 00:33:00,210 And they went down the road and sat and talked. 755 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,412 They got into an argument. 756 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:06,683 She seen somebody she knew in a white pickup truck. 757 00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:09,620 So she jumped out of the car. 758 00:33:09,821 --> 00:33:13,423 She got out of the car and told geramie, "[bleep] you," 759 00:33:13,493 --> 00:33:15,625 And she got in the truck 760 00:33:15,694 --> 00:33:19,363 With some man in a white pickup truck. 761 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:23,166 And I don't quite believe that, but that's geramie's story. 762 00:33:23,235 --> 00:33:26,102 Mark coots is giving us a new version of geramie's story-- 763 00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:28,304 That tiffany drove off in a white pickup truck. 764 00:33:28,373 --> 00:33:30,240 If he was involved with geramie, 765 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:32,242 It doesn't make much sense that their stories wouldn't match. 766 00:33:32,312 --> 00:33:33,843 This sounds more like geramie 767 00:33:33,912 --> 00:33:35,246 Couldn't keep his story straight. 768 00:33:35,447 --> 00:33:38,915 No bull[bleep]. You think geramie killed her? 769 00:33:38,985 --> 00:33:41,851 Well, I didn't think so, 770 00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:44,654 But the way he turns that glock... 771 00:33:44,723 --> 00:33:46,457 - The gun. - ...The gun...All the time. 772 00:33:46,658 --> 00:33:49,325 And he's got a bad attitude. 773 00:33:49,528 --> 00:33:51,762 He's mean, real mean. 774 00:33:51,964 --> 00:33:54,063 And when it comes to women, 775 00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:57,802 He's kind of like a controlling womanizer. 776 00:33:58,003 --> 00:33:59,736 So, would you say that geramie 777 00:33:59,806 --> 00:34:01,405 Was controlling of tiffany when she was around? 778 00:34:01,607 --> 00:34:02,806 Oh, yeah. 779 00:34:02,875 --> 00:34:04,741 How did she act in response to that? 780 00:34:04,943 --> 00:34:06,276 She was kind of timid. 781 00:34:06,346 --> 00:34:08,278 From one minute he'll be right, 782 00:34:08,348 --> 00:34:10,480 And then like you hit a light switch. 783 00:34:10,549 --> 00:34:13,750 The next minute, it's just like he flips his wig, 784 00:34:13,820 --> 00:34:16,419 And he'll just... 785 00:34:16,489 --> 00:34:18,621 I don't know. He just lose it. 786 00:34:18,691 --> 00:34:21,357 His own mother would be scared of him to a point. 787 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,626 Do you remember when they served 788 00:34:22,828 --> 00:34:24,027 The search warrant on the trailer? 789 00:34:24,229 --> 00:34:26,062 At which time? 790 00:34:26,265 --> 00:34:28,965 They raided that place four or five times over here. 791 00:34:29,035 --> 00:34:30,567 So, did you ever talk to him 792 00:34:30,635 --> 00:34:32,836 About why they served any search warrants on him? 793 00:34:32,905 --> 00:34:34,571 He said they're looking for stuff 794 00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:37,308 To tie him to tiffany. 795 00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:39,809 Mark coots seems like he's being up-front and honest 796 00:34:39,879 --> 00:34:41,378 About what he knows 797 00:34:41,446 --> 00:34:43,380 And about his relationship with geramie and gloria. 798 00:34:43,448 --> 00:34:44,981 If he was trying to protect them back then, 799 00:34:45,051 --> 00:34:46,850 It feels like as time has passed 800 00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:48,585 So does his allegiance to geramie and gloria. 801 00:34:48,653 --> 00:34:51,789 He's looking more like a witness and less like a suspect. 802 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:54,324 If he told he'd killed her, would you tell us? 803 00:34:54,394 --> 00:34:57,260 Oh, yeah. I would be the first one on the phone 804 00:34:57,330 --> 00:34:58,995 To tell you he did. 805 00:34:59,065 --> 00:35:01,799 If y'all can prove it on geramie, hey, good. 806 00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:09,206 [line ringing] 807 00:35:09,407 --> 00:35:10,808 Woman: 808 00:35:11,009 --> 00:35:13,209 Hello. My name is detective wallace cunningham 809 00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:14,678 With the dunlap police department. 810 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,480 I'm trying to reach gloria paulet. 811 00:35:17,482 --> 00:35:19,282 Siegler: We're trying to find geramie 812 00:35:19,351 --> 00:35:22,785 Who we believe is out in california with his mom gloria, 813 00:35:22,988 --> 00:35:25,021 And we have questions for her, too. 814 00:35:25,091 --> 00:35:26,824 So we're gonna give her a call, 815 00:35:27,025 --> 00:35:29,025 Trying to kill two birds with one stone, 816 00:35:29,095 --> 00:35:30,694 Hoping to get answers from both of 'em. 817 00:35:30,896 --> 00:35:33,163 I'm still investigating a missing person case. 818 00:35:36,101 --> 00:35:38,001 Yeah. There's quite a bit of age difference 819 00:35:38,203 --> 00:35:39,702 Between her and geramie. 820 00:35:39,772 --> 00:35:42,206 She was a lot closer to your age than she was his. 821 00:35:42,407 --> 00:35:44,374 And what did you think about that? 822 00:35:46,111 --> 00:35:47,744 Oh, yeah. Not at all. 823 00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:03,726 Siegler: It seems like gloria's really trying 824 00:36:03,796 --> 00:36:06,530 To push the idea that tiffany just skipped town. 825 00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:09,866 Could it be a way to try and get the focus off of her son? 826 00:36:09,936 --> 00:36:12,402 Geramie was the last person to see her. 827 00:36:12,472 --> 00:36:15,105 He picked her up in the car, and then he said he let her out. 828 00:36:18,076 --> 00:36:19,209 Mm-hmm. 829 00:36:30,488 --> 00:36:31,422 Mm-hmm. 830 00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:34,958 Is geramie living with you? 831 00:36:36,962 --> 00:36:38,795 I would like to talk to him. 832 00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:43,367 Yeah. 833 00:36:47,105 --> 00:36:50,506 But all right. Well, it was good talking to you. 834 00:36:50,575 --> 00:36:53,376 We don't have contact information for geramie's dad. 835 00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:55,579 Gloria would not provide that to us. 836 00:36:55,781 --> 00:36:57,514 Even if we got a hold of his dad, 837 00:36:57,582 --> 00:36:59,116 He's gonna run interference for his son. 838 00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:02,218 Geramie got an attorney way back then, 839 00:37:02,421 --> 00:37:04,020 So it's not very likely 840 00:37:04,089 --> 00:37:05,789 That geramie would even talk to us. 841 00:37:05,858 --> 00:37:07,524 Cunningham: She's very defensive of geramie. 842 00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:09,527 Of course she is. That's his mama. 843 00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:24,708 So, why don't we go through all the people up on the board. 844 00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:26,710 When we started, did you say that your chief 845 00:37:27,946 --> 00:37:28,679 Might wanna come in here and listen in to all of this? 846 00:37:29,948 --> 00:37:30,647 Yeah. You want me to check on that, see if he's ready? 847 00:37:31,817 --> 00:37:32,950 - Go get him, see if he's ready. - Okay. Just a second. 848 00:37:33,219 --> 00:37:35,084 Siegler: Even though we weren't able 849 00:37:35,154 --> 00:37:37,987 To directly question our primary suspect, geramie campbell, 850 00:37:38,057 --> 00:37:39,689 We're feeling pretty good about this case. 851 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:42,058 He's ready. 852 00:37:42,393 --> 00:37:44,527 Chief randy phillips is gonna join us 853 00:37:44,663 --> 00:37:47,563 To help us review everything we've learned about our suspects 854 00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:49,966 And the possibility that tiffany holbert 855 00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:51,534 Just left on her own. 856 00:37:51,737 --> 00:37:53,704 So, did she walk away? 857 00:37:53,905 --> 00:37:55,838 We spoke to all her family, friends. 858 00:37:55,908 --> 00:37:57,840 That's so out of character for her. 859 00:37:57,910 --> 00:38:00,175 She wouldn't walk away from her grandkids. 860 00:38:00,178 --> 00:38:02,912 He was too much of a devoted mother and grandmother. 861 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:04,881 She never picked up her last paycheck. 862 00:38:05,082 --> 00:38:06,149 If she was gonna up and run, 863 00:38:06,351 --> 00:38:07,317 She'd have come and got some money. 864 00:38:07,385 --> 00:38:09,520 People who were holding out hope in the beginning, 865 00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:11,454 I think even those people are now realizing 866 00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:12,990 That tiffany's not coming back. 867 00:38:13,191 --> 00:38:15,925 So, walked away. Everybody's in agreement on that. 868 00:38:15,994 --> 00:38:17,727 - Chief, you, too? - I don't see anything 869 00:38:17,797 --> 00:38:20,164 That points to the fact that she walked away. 870 00:38:20,365 --> 00:38:22,932 So, charles o'rafferty, tiffany's ex-husband, 871 00:38:23,001 --> 00:38:24,068 The father of all of her children. 872 00:38:24,269 --> 00:38:26,069 They did argue and fight some, 873 00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:28,105 But he said it never turned physical. 874 00:38:28,307 --> 00:38:29,672 I'd never hit her. I loved her too much 875 00:38:29,875 --> 00:38:31,474 And still do today. 876 00:38:31,543 --> 00:38:34,345 He was as honest as anybody I talked to in this case at all. 877 00:38:34,546 --> 00:38:36,145 And he's only on our board because... 878 00:38:36,347 --> 00:38:37,613 Geramie threw his name out there. 879 00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:39,482 So, everybody's good 880 00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:41,217 With taking charles o'rafferty off the suspect board. 881 00:38:41,286 --> 00:38:43,152 - Cunningham: Yes. - Now we're getting over here. 882 00:38:43,355 --> 00:38:45,821 Let's see what we think about mr. Mark coots. 883 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:47,558 He actually questioned geramie a little bit 884 00:38:47,759 --> 00:38:49,192 About what was going on with tiffany. 885 00:38:49,394 --> 00:38:51,094 She got in the car with some man 886 00:38:51,163 --> 00:38:54,030 In a white pickup truck. 887 00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:57,568 And I don't quite believe that, but that's geramie's story. 888 00:38:57,769 --> 00:38:59,269 Mark coots. Everybody's good 889 00:38:59,338 --> 00:39:01,971 With scratching him off the board as a suspect. 890 00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:05,208 Okay. What do we do with gloria paulet, his mother? 891 00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:06,644 I don't think you'll ever gonna be able 892 00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:08,845 To prove that gloria's involved with this here, 893 00:39:08,981 --> 00:39:10,981 Because I don't think she is. 894 00:39:15,787 --> 00:39:17,453 Cunningham: Mm-hmm. 895 00:39:18,524 --> 00:39:21,891 We considered the idea that gloria might have been involved 896 00:39:21,961 --> 00:39:24,160 Because she did not like tiffany 897 00:39:24,363 --> 00:39:27,296 And they were involved in a physical altercation. 898 00:39:27,366 --> 00:39:31,000 Maybe gloria was just protecting her son back then, too, 899 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:34,238 But we did not uncover any additional evidence 900 00:39:34,439 --> 00:39:36,606 That shows that gloria played a part 901 00:39:36,676 --> 00:39:38,074 In tiffany's disappearance. 902 00:39:38,144 --> 00:39:41,277 An overprotective, loving mother is one thing. 903 00:39:41,347 --> 00:39:43,780 A co-defendant is something else. 904 00:39:43,915 --> 00:39:44,848 I'm in agreement. 905 00:39:46,918 --> 00:39:49,286 Okay. Geramie. 906 00:39:49,487 --> 00:39:52,355 At first he did not seen tiffany for three months 907 00:39:52,423 --> 00:39:54,825 Until he was confronted with the evidence. 908 00:39:55,026 --> 00:39:58,028 "hey, buddy, we have you on video picking her up." 909 00:39:58,229 --> 00:40:01,432 Co-workers knew that geramie was beating tiffany. 910 00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:05,502 Well, he shows up there, 911 00:40:05,703 --> 00:40:08,706 Literally reaches in the car and grabs her by the throat. 912 00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,706 He tries to pull her through the window. 913 00:40:10,775 --> 00:40:13,509 How about what tiffany told elisha green 914 00:40:13,578 --> 00:40:15,612 The day before she went missing? 915 00:40:18,483 --> 00:40:20,116 And then you go through those text messages. 916 00:40:20,186 --> 00:40:23,220 Literally the last message she sent him was... 917 00:40:28,193 --> 00:40:31,193 Also, the text messages, they're deleted. 918 00:40:31,229 --> 00:40:33,463 Devlin: ...Starting with the one at 5:00 p.M., 919 00:40:33,665 --> 00:40:35,798 These messages were actually all deleted at this point in time. 920 00:40:36,001 --> 00:40:38,134 Minutes before she leaves her trailer 921 00:40:38,204 --> 00:40:40,937 And takes off her boot to hobble down the street 922 00:40:41,005 --> 00:40:42,605 To go make him happy, 923 00:40:42,608 --> 00:40:45,541 She climbs in that car on this video 924 00:40:45,578 --> 00:40:47,978 And is never seen or heard from again. 925 00:40:48,179 --> 00:40:49,346 Nice. 926 00:40:57,689 --> 00:41:03,026 Woman: ♪ all these tears I've cried ♪ 927 00:41:03,228 --> 00:41:05,962 ♪ drowning me ♪ 928 00:41:06,164 --> 00:41:08,831 ♪ drowning me ♪ 929 00:41:08,901 --> 00:41:11,567 Four years doesn't seem like very long 930 00:41:11,636 --> 00:41:13,904 In the world of working cold cases. 931 00:41:14,105 --> 00:41:17,172 But for tiffany's babies, it probably feels like a lifetime. 932 00:41:17,175 --> 00:41:18,909 And now that the case has been presented 933 00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:20,511 To their attorney general, 934 00:41:20,712 --> 00:41:22,445 We can finally bring them some answers 935 00:41:22,513 --> 00:41:24,047 On what happened to their mom. 936 00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:27,183 How you feeling about talking to the girls, wallace? 937 00:41:27,385 --> 00:41:28,786 - I'm feeling good. - Yeah. 938 00:41:28,987 --> 00:41:31,788 I like the feeling about what all we've done 939 00:41:31,856 --> 00:41:33,457 And everybody we've talked to. 940 00:41:33,658 --> 00:41:37,326 It's unfortunate that there's a mother and a grandmother 941 00:41:37,529 --> 00:41:39,595 Gone forever now. 942 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:42,432 And they know that. Just reinforce it, you know. 943 00:41:42,634 --> 00:41:44,100 It's just sad. 944 00:41:45,537 --> 00:41:51,341 ♪ set me free ♪ 945 00:41:51,543 --> 00:41:56,280 ♪ set me free ♪ 946 00:41:58,549 --> 00:42:00,483 - Hello, ladies. - Hello. 947 00:42:00,685 --> 00:42:02,351 - How y'all doing today? - Good. How are you? 948 00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:04,153 Good. 949 00:42:04,824 --> 00:42:09,092 Well, it's been a long week. We've talked to a lot of people. 950 00:42:09,294 --> 00:42:11,160 I think the first thing you ought to know 951 00:42:11,229 --> 00:42:13,963 Is that everywhere we went everybody was telling us 952 00:42:14,033 --> 00:42:15,231 Every single thing they could remember 953 00:42:15,433 --> 00:42:17,033 About what your mom told them, 954 00:42:17,235 --> 00:42:19,302 And everybody told us that she would've never left y'all. 955 00:42:19,371 --> 00:42:20,970 You knew that. 956 00:42:21,172 --> 00:42:22,606 - Yep. - But I think it's important 957 00:42:22,807 --> 00:42:24,373 For y'all to hear that everybody else knew that, too. 958 00:42:24,575 --> 00:42:26,443 And today was a day 959 00:42:26,645 --> 00:42:30,179 That wallace met with your prosecutors to go over it all. 960 00:42:30,181 --> 00:42:33,983 Our hope is to bring charges against geramie campbell 961 00:42:34,053 --> 00:42:36,385 For the murder of your mother, tiffany holbert. 962 00:42:36,587 --> 00:42:38,255 [sobs] 963 00:42:44,129 --> 00:42:47,597 I'm very thankful that the dunlap police 964 00:42:47,666 --> 00:42:50,567 Was doing everything they can 965 00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:55,838 To find out what happened and give her justice. 966 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,674 I'm happy. 967 00:42:57,875 --> 00:43:03,546 I just want whoever did something to her to pay for it. 968 00:43:03,615 --> 00:43:07,017 The prosecutor wants to meet with all of you girls in person. 969 00:43:07,218 --> 00:43:10,888 You need to all be sitting there to represent your mama. 970 00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:13,889 You look 'em in the eye and you say, "we want you to fight." 971 00:43:14,092 --> 00:43:16,225 You're the victims here, too. 972 00:43:16,294 --> 00:43:19,162 - We want justice. - That's right. 973 00:43:19,363 --> 00:43:21,931 Give me a hug. Come here, girl. 974 00:43:22,001 --> 00:43:23,667 - I'm proud of you. - Thank you. 975 00:43:23,868 --> 00:43:25,501 Take care of yourselves. 976 00:43:25,571 --> 00:43:28,037 [exhales] 977 00:43:28,107 --> 00:43:35,846 [vocalizing] 978 00:43:37,315 --> 00:43:43,152 ♪ all these tears I've cried ♪