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Man: 18-year-old anita knutson
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Had recently finished
her freshman year
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At minot state university.
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After multiple unanswered calls,
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Anita's father
visited her apartment
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And made a grisly discovery.
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Anita had been stabbed to death.
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Woman: When we have cases for
which there's no clear motive
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And that crime is committed
against someone
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Who seemed adored
by all who knew her,
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Nothing can be ruled out.
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But someone out there
holds the key.
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[vocalizing]
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♪ the broken and fallen ♪
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♪ dangled souls
been sent to burn ♪
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♪ nowadays
they've been callin' ♪
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♪ telling me soon
gonna be my turn ♪
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Steve, I think this might be
our 100th case
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That we've worked on.
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I think it shows
how many cold cases there are,
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How many more there are to go.
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I know. That's true.
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When you look up minot
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And you look up
unsolved murders,
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Anita knutson's case
comes to the top of the list.
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Everybody knows about it
in the whole state.
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Sad case.
Can't imagine being a father.
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You go looking
for your daughter.
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She hasn't been heard from
in a day and a half.
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And then you go over
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And your worst nightmare
is just right in front of you.
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Reaching in the window and
feeling her, that's horrible.
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Steve and I are here
in north dakota
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To investigate
the shocking murder
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Of 18-year-old college student
anita knutson.
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She was a very intelligent,
popular, kind young lady
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That was adored by all
of her friends and her family.
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She was going to college here.
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Everybody always talks about
how friendly she was.
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She liked to dance. She liked
to read. I like that part.
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She's such a righteous,
innocent victim.
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Anita's magnetic personality
and her beauty
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Garnered attention from men
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And some jealousy
from a lot of ladies.
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So we're gonna need
to investigate
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A lot of potential motives
and suspects,
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Including wanna-be suitors,
her current roommate,
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And the maintenance man
at the apartment complex.
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They have had this case analyzed
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By different people
over the years.
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You know, from the crime labs
to the fbi to everybody else,
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And everybody's come up
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With just basically
a big zero right now.
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Siegler: A lot of podcasters
and journalists and reporters
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Have looked into it, too.
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The good thing is
for the very first time,
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The police department is letting
you and me see all their files,
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Which no podcaster or reporter
has ever had access to,
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'cause they're trusting us
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To try and do something
to help 'em.
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This is one of the hardest ones
we've ever looked at.
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- It is.
- Get your a game on, girl.
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- Ooh, good morning.
- Good morning.
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- I'm kelly.
- Welcome to minot.
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- Steve spingola.
- Chief klug.
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- Morning. Carmen.
- Nice to meet you.
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- Miki.
- Hey, miki. Nice to meet you.
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Steve spingola. How are you?
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This case, you know, it's
the one that we've never solved.
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It's a teenage girl
that lost her life,
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And there's just really no clue
as to why.
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It's a hard case.
Y'all did everything perfectly.
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You just need some damn luck.
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Well, miracle or whatever
you wanna call it.
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You know what else
I liked, though?
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You got two girl detectives.
Let's go.
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Come on back.
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I always had this feeling
that we had failed the family,
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That we had let them down
because there hasn't been
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An arrest in this case
after 15 years.
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But we never forgot about it,
tried our best,
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And hopefully
we can find a solution.
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So, anita was 18 years old.
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She was a college student
here in minot.
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She had just finished
her freshman year.
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She was also working two jobs.
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She worked at one of the local
hotels as a housekeeper,
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And then she worked
at a clothing store in the mall.
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She was adopted
when she was a baby.
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Originally,
she was from california.
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The knutson family had
moved up here to north dakota
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When anita was,
I think, around 13.
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By all accounts,
she was outgoing, bubbly,
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And just friendly to everybody.
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She was super tiny and pretty,
cute, fun, active.
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People loved talking to her
and hanging out with her.
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And all of her friends
mentioned that she was popular,
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Just fun to be around.
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She was one of my best friends,
and I feel sorry for anybody
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Who didn't get to meet her.
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They're missing out
on an amazing person.
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Always happy. Always talkative.
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Always had something good
to say.
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She cared about everybody.
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There's nobody more beautiful
on the outside and the inside
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Than anita.
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Roommate and her
were friends from high school,
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And they went
to college together.
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They were living
in the dorm together
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And decided to get an apartment.
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Do you remember
what she was studying?
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Elementary education.
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Look at this picture.
Who all do we have in this one?
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Her mom and dad
and her two siblings--
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Anna and daniel.
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Daniel committed suicide
in 2013.
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I think he had a lot going on.
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I'm sure this played
a part in it.
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Yeah.
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What a painful chain reaction
of tragedy
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This family has had to
go through since June of 2007.
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These cases leave
so many victims.
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So, June 4th, anita's mother was
not able to get a hold of her.
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She wasn't answering her phone.
She was worried.
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So her dad went up
to the apartment.
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Tried knocking on the door.
There was no answer.
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And so he went around
to what was her bedroom window
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And could see what he believed
to be her lying on the bed,
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And she was motionless.
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A tragic situation for a father.
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Anita's murder
and the investigation
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Are pretty complex.
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Hello, guys.
Nice to meet you.
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Steve spingola.
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Fortunately,
the first responders
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And the initial investigators
are still around
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And eager to share
their insights on the case
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And its many suspects.
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The call came in
at the very end of my shift.
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I wasn't very far away.
I responded fairly quickly
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As the first officer on scene.
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I went in
and found anita on her bed.
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Initially, the first thing I saw
is there was blood
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On anita's back
and some on the bed.
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I was new
to the investigations division.
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I remember noticing
her position,
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Lying face down
near the foot of the bed.
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She had a pink robe on.
Was nude underneath the robe.
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She had one leg
sort of underneath her,
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And then her right leg
was off onto the floor,
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And she was slumped forward
onto the bed.
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We rolled the body,
and we photographed it.
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I noticed that there was what
appeared to be a stab wound.
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She had a stab wound
in her upper breast area,
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And then she had
an incised stab wound
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That we later learned had
lacerated the top of her heart,
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Which was the fatal wound.
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They did do
a sexual assault kit.
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There was no indication
of sexual assault of any kind.
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The apartment was well kept.
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Didn't appear to be anything
in disarray.
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I recall seeing her purse
at the side of the bed.
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I could see cash in the purse,
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Making me think that this
doesn't appear to be a robbery.
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Anita's roommate stated that she
had stayed at the family farm
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That entire weekend,
and none of the neighbors
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Heard a scream or struggle.
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With no evidence
of a sexual assault
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And no signs of a robbery,
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You have to wonder,
what was her killer's motive?
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Who would murder such a sweet,
innocent young girl?
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We begin to take
some items for evidence.
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In the quilt that was in the
corner of the bed was the knife.
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It was a silver lock blade.
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When the knife was found,
we celebrated.
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We thought this is gonna lead
to our killer.
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Okay.
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The investigators ran dna tests
on the knife
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And on other evidence
in the case,
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But nothing to date
has identified anita's killer.
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We've sent it all off
for retesting,
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Using the most modern
advancements in dna technology,
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Though the biggest clue
in this case
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May be the killer's
point of entry.
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When I got there,
the window was open.
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There was no screen
on the window.
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I remember that there were some
people standing around outside
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Watching what was going on.
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We started talking to people.
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One guy identified himself
as the maintenance guy.
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He said earlier in the day
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He'd seen a damage screen
on the window of her bedroom,
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So he tore off the screen.
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He said the frame was bent
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And then the mesh
of the screen was cut.
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He took it back to the shop
so he could fix it later.
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Y'all keep going,
but I wanna put those up there.
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Marty annell.
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The apartment's maintenance man,
marty annell,
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Turned over anita's window
screen to the investigators,
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Which, just like he said,
had a large l-shape cut in it,
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Possibly big enough for her
killer to have climbed through
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To gain entry
into her apartment.
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But is it possible he was trying
to cover up his own crime?
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He was
the maintenance person there,
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So I don't know that it's
necessarily suspicious,
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But she was right
inside that room.
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You wonder
why he didn't see her.
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I don't know how he could
have not seen her.
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Okay. What else about marty?
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Marty committed suicide.
He shot himself.
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Siegler: A year
after anita's murder,
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Marty fatally shot himself
in the same workshop
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Where he had taken her screen
to be fixed.
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What's unclear
is if his suicide
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Had anything to do with guilt
over her murder.
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So he's the first suspect
we need to examine.
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And then you also noticed
in the bedding her cellphone.
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Yes. In the early, early
morning hours of Sunday,
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She was involved in a text
conversation with mike vann.
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It was like 4:00, 5:00
in the morning
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When the last text was.
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Mike vann talked about
that he was interested
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In perhaps having a dating
relationship with anita.
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He had been, like,
partying that night
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And early, early in the morning.
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Everybody left to go
to mcdonald's except for him.
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This sentence
from your supplement says,
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"vann said that he was aware
that anita was by herself
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In the apartment
in these early morning hours."
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- Yes. That would be accurate.
- Okay.
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The last time we know
that anita was alive
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Was when she texted
michael vann, aka money mike,
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Around 4:43 a.M.
On Sunday, June 3rd.
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He texted back
six minutes later,
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Although his message
went unread.
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It's unclear if she was killed
during that brief window
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Or shortly thereafter.
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But we know she didn't show up
for work at 9 a.M. That morning.
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There's also mention
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That mike allegedly told
another individual
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That he killed anita, making him
our second suspect in this case.
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- Where is michael vann today?
- Deceased.
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It was like an asthma attack
complication thing, right?
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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So completely unrelated
to our case--how he passed away.
247
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- Right.
- Okay.
248
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I'm looking at your page 4.
249
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"and nichole gets
brought back to the apartment."
250
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Is that the beginning
that we realize
251
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There's more to this roommate
situation than we thought?
252
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That would be when red flags
started to go up for me.
253
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We walked her through
254
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With the idea or hopes
that she might see something
255
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That would give us a clue
on what direction to go in this.
256
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She walked pretty much
straight to her bedroom door.
257
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Then she gasped as if something
was terribly wrong
258
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And then made the comment
that her ipod was missing.
259
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I found that to be very strange.
260
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In nichole's room we did find
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That she had been to some kind
of anger management class.
262
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I found a binder--
an anger management course
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That she had gone through.
264
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There was
a volatile relationship
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Between the roommate and anita.
266
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All right. Now let's put up
nichole thomas.
267
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Anita's text messages
also reveal
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That she had gotten
into several angry exchanges
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With her roommate nichole.
270
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And while nichole
told the police
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That they had been friends
since high school
272
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And they were
getting along fine,
273
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The texts show nichole
insisting that anita move out.
274
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Nichole's story of that weekend
was inconsistent also.
275
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Her story just didn't make
a lot of sense.
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There's always been a belief
that nichole knows more
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Than what she's willing
to share with us.
278
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Siegler: First nichole said
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That she never left
her parents' farm
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And that she had spent
Saturday night watching a movie
281
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With her sister and her mom.
282
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Then when the police
learned otherwise,
283
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Nichole admitted that she
had actually gone to a bar
284
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And went and watched a movie
285
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With her aunt and her cousin
at their house.
286
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And she told one witness
287
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That she actually dropped
by her apartment that night
288
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To get some clothes.
289
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The question is, is nichole's
memory really that bad,
290
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Or is she hiding something?
291
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Nichole's raised on a farm.
292
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She's got knives.
She hunts deer.
293
00:12:45,565 --> 00:12:48,567
Well, she's proud of the fact
that she can do what? Hunting.
294
00:12:50,737 --> 00:12:54,005
How does tyler schmaltz
first get on y'all's radar?
295
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Tyler's involvement in the case
gave me some red flags.
296
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Well, he's actually on scene.
297
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When he saw the commotion
298
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Of police and ambulance
being there, he shows up.
299
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Concerned. Wants to know
what's going on with her.
300
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So, this is tyler.
301
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Of anybody
who is not a family member,
302
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He is the one person
303
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Who has always kind of inserted
himself into the investigation,
304
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Trying to stay a part of it.
305
00:13:18,598 --> 00:13:21,566
He created a facebook page
in honor of anita.
306
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He had this crush on her.
307
00:13:23,403 --> 00:13:25,703
Siegler: Our fourth suspect
is tyler schmaltz.
308
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He and anita had been friends
since high school.
309
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But a lot of people thought
310
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That he was also romantically
infatuated with her.
311
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He was one of the first people
on scene
312
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The day her body was discovered.
313
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Does that mean
he was generally concerned,
314
00:13:39,052 --> 00:13:41,720
Or does that mean he was trying
to steer the investigation?
315
00:13:41,722 --> 00:13:44,589
Where did tyler live
back in '07?
316
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- He's about a block away.
- Ooh.
317
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He did report
that he had actually seen anita
318
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Leading up to that weekend.
319
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They went on a walk
on Thursday, may 31st.
320
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Siegler: We've got a maintenance
man who killed himself.
321
00:13:57,404 --> 00:14:01,205
The last person anita texted
who knew she was alone.
322
00:14:01,274 --> 00:14:03,675
A roommate she was having
a conflict with.
323
00:14:03,876 --> 00:14:05,910
And a not-so-secretive admirer
324
00:14:06,112 --> 00:14:09,080
Who might have taken his
infatuation a little too far.
325
00:14:09,082 --> 00:14:11,016
I'm not surprised
this case went cold.
326
00:14:11,217 --> 00:14:13,485
You got a hard case,
so we're hoping for some luck.
327
00:14:24,763 --> 00:14:27,166
Man: It's been years since anita
was killed in her apartment
328
00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:29,700
By an unknown assailant.
329
00:14:29,903 --> 00:14:32,503
While police feel frustration
and confusion
330
00:14:32,572 --> 00:14:34,739
About the inability
to solve the case,
331
00:14:34,941 --> 00:14:36,441
For the knutson family,
332
00:14:36,642 --> 00:14:38,776
It is often more
about the pain and loss
333
00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:40,979
Of their beloved daughter
and sister.
334
00:14:41,180 --> 00:14:43,247
Woman:
After his sister's murder,
335
00:14:43,317 --> 00:14:46,684
Daniel knutson
took his own life.
336
00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:50,054
That fact has made everyone
even more intent
337
00:14:50,256 --> 00:14:53,791
On helping the knutson family
find the answers.
338
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Woman:
♪ what will it be like ♪
339
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♪ when I approach the end? ♪
340
00:15:02,002 --> 00:15:05,670
♪ will I lay there
with those alone ♪
341
00:15:05,739 --> 00:15:09,607
♪ or will my plight
have done me in? ♪
342
00:15:09,809 --> 00:15:13,278
Siegler: We're gonna meet gordon
and sharon at karen's house.
343
00:15:13,379 --> 00:15:15,613
And anna's gonna be there, too,
I heard, right?
344
00:15:15,815 --> 00:15:18,216
Talbott: I believe so, yeah.
That's her younger sister.
345
00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:20,485
They're understanding
as far as--
346
00:15:20,554 --> 00:15:23,355
You know, we're still trying.
The case has never been closed.
347
00:15:23,556 --> 00:15:26,024
It's always been open
and active, and they know that.
348
00:15:26,225 --> 00:15:27,425
Siegler: It would be nice
to tell them some good news
349
00:15:27,493 --> 00:15:28,759
Next week, right?
350
00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:29,628
Talbott: I'm hoping.
351
00:15:32,898 --> 00:15:33,831
- Hi, miss karen. How are you?
- Hello.
352
00:15:34,201 --> 00:15:37,435
Oh, this is not good weather
for you guys, is it?
353
00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:40,672
For nearly 15 years,
anita knutson's family
354
00:15:40,874 --> 00:15:43,508
Has suffered with the grief
of her murder,
355
00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:46,611
With the suicide
of her brother daniel,
356
00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:49,213
And with the frustration
of nothing moving forward
357
00:15:49,315 --> 00:15:50,915
With law enforcement.
358
00:15:51,117 --> 00:15:54,185
We're here today to remind them
that the minot police department
359
00:15:54,255 --> 00:15:56,521
Has never given up on this case
360
00:15:56,590 --> 00:15:59,323
And to let them know that we're
gonna do everything that we can
361
00:15:59,393 --> 00:16:02,126
To try and get them answers
and get them justice.
362
00:16:02,195 --> 00:16:04,795
So, sharon, talk to us
about anita.
363
00:16:04,997 --> 00:16:06,665
What was she like
as a little girl?
364
00:16:06,766 --> 00:16:11,502
As a little girl,
very neat and tidy and precise.
365
00:16:11,572 --> 00:16:13,738
Very good artist, writer.
366
00:16:13,940 --> 00:16:15,806
Anna: She's super smart.
367
00:16:16,009 --> 00:16:19,076
I would say that she was very
much kind of a little activist.
368
00:16:19,112 --> 00:16:20,945
Really rooting for the underdog
369
00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:23,347
And just, like, kind
of taking people under her wing.
370
00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,950
And she was very outgoing,
really well liked.
371
00:16:26,019 --> 00:16:27,818
And she was going to msu.
372
00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:29,554
Did she have a plan,
what she was studying for?
373
00:16:29,756 --> 00:16:32,224
- Yeah. To be a teacher.
- Kindergarten teacher.
374
00:16:32,425 --> 00:16:36,594
I just really miss her.
It's--it's hard.
375
00:16:36,664 --> 00:16:41,866
Just--like, I go to the mall
and she's not there anymore.
376
00:16:44,037 --> 00:16:46,370
And go down in her space
of her room
377
00:16:46,573 --> 00:16:48,839
And the bed's not there anymore.
378
00:16:48,908 --> 00:16:52,309
You used to run across stuff
in the house
379
00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:55,379
And...[sighs] put it away
380
00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:59,250
Because you know she's not
gonna be there to get it.
381
00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,788
Her dad and her had planned
on going fishing for the summer,
382
00:17:03,857 --> 00:17:05,656
And then this happened.
383
00:17:05,725 --> 00:17:07,726
He got rid of all that stuff.
384
00:17:07,927 --> 00:17:09,594
We just--
385
00:17:09,796 --> 00:17:12,464
She's really missed.
[sniffles]
386
00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:16,534
I called her Sunday
on her phone,
387
00:17:16,736 --> 00:17:19,003
And she never answered,
so I thought she's at work.
388
00:17:19,072 --> 00:17:22,607
So Monday I called her
and no answer.
389
00:17:22,676 --> 00:17:25,209
I called him, and I said,
"go by anita's
390
00:17:25,411 --> 00:17:26,477
And see if she's okay."
391
00:17:26,547 --> 00:17:28,079
- Gordon: And I went.
- And he went.
392
00:17:28,148 --> 00:17:30,681
And he found her car.
393
00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:32,283
Knocked on the door.
Nobody answered.
394
00:17:32,353 --> 00:17:35,753
So I went over by that window
and looked in,
395
00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:37,455
And I seen that she was there.
396
00:17:37,523 --> 00:17:40,625
- Siegler: And it was open?
- Yes. The window was open.
397
00:17:40,694 --> 00:17:44,428
If you stood at that window,
how deep into the room?
398
00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:46,163
Well, I touched her.
399
00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:47,698
- You touched her.
- Yeah.
400
00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:50,501
Siegler: Gordon confirmed
that he was able
401
00:17:50,571 --> 00:17:52,903
To touch anita's body
through the window.
402
00:17:52,972 --> 00:17:54,772
That's a pretty
horrific thought.
403
00:17:54,975 --> 00:17:56,474
But it also makes
404
00:17:56,543 --> 00:17:58,909
The maintenance man
marty annell's claim
405
00:17:59,112 --> 00:18:02,647
That he never saw her body
that much stranger.
406
00:18:02,716 --> 00:18:05,916
When did y'all first become
aware that nichole and anita
407
00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,985
Weren't getting along so great
as roommates?
408
00:18:08,055 --> 00:18:10,588
Oh, just a couple of months
after they were in there.
409
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:13,157
Anita would be upset
410
00:18:13,227 --> 00:18:18,028
Because nichole would come home
and she'd bring guys with her.
411
00:18:18,065 --> 00:18:20,999
And then she would leave and
the guys would still be there.
412
00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:22,734
And I said to her one time--
I said,
413
00:18:22,935 --> 00:18:24,401
"why does that room stink?"
414
00:18:24,604 --> 00:18:27,204
"mom, she never cleans.
She never changes her bed."
415
00:18:27,274 --> 00:18:29,674
My last conversation
with anita was...
416
00:18:29,876 --> 00:18:32,409
I said, "are you going
to find a new apartment?"
417
00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:34,679
And she said, "no.
I'm going to stick it out."
418
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,147
- Oh, she did?
- And that was
419
00:18:36,216 --> 00:18:38,083
Like two weeks before she died.
420
00:18:38,284 --> 00:18:41,085
Siegler: If anita was able to
keep nichole as a roommate,
421
00:18:41,255 --> 00:18:43,654
That makes you wonder how bad
the relationship really was
422
00:18:43,857 --> 00:18:45,422
Between the two of 'em.
423
00:18:45,491 --> 00:18:47,426
So we're gonna have to track
down all of their old friends
424
00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:48,760
To get to the bottom of that.
425
00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:51,529
What do y'all know
about tyler schmaltz?
426
00:18:51,598 --> 00:18:53,764
Anna: Well, he's on facebook
all the time.
427
00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:55,966
I felt like it was really odd.
428
00:18:56,002 --> 00:18:59,370
He was the first one she dated.
And the prom.
429
00:18:59,572 --> 00:19:01,105
Anna: They went
to prom together.
430
00:19:01,307 --> 00:19:03,040
He loved--he loved her.
431
00:19:03,109 --> 00:19:05,309
I mean, I do think
it's genuine, though.
432
00:19:05,511 --> 00:19:09,313
I really do think that he cares
really deeply about my sister.
433
00:19:09,515 --> 00:19:12,918
Anita's family doesn't seem
to be very suspicious of tyler.
434
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,752
Maybe that's a good sign
that he's not involved.
435
00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:17,555
Or maybe he's been successful
436
00:19:17,757 --> 00:19:20,124
Directing the investigation
away from himself.
437
00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:22,927
Here's what we're hoping--
that in the last 15 years
438
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:25,396
Someone has always known
some little piece
439
00:19:25,466 --> 00:19:26,464
That they haven't wanted
to tell.
440
00:19:26,532 --> 00:19:28,266
That is absolutely the case.
441
00:19:28,401 --> 00:19:31,535
Like, I feel like somebody
is just, like, holding tight
442
00:19:31,605 --> 00:19:33,204
To some piece of information.
443
00:19:33,407 --> 00:19:36,507
It's why I put the tribute
in the paper every single year,
444
00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:39,878
Just hoping that somebody
will come forward.
445
00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:42,280
Just want her
to never be forgotten...
446
00:19:42,481 --> 00:19:45,083
Sharon: Right. Well,
she's not forgotten.
447
00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:47,619
...And that someone
will pay attention.
448
00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:51,622
It hit everybody hard,
449
00:19:51,691 --> 00:19:55,626
But I truly feel
that daniel suffered the most,
450
00:19:55,695 --> 00:19:59,563
Because we lost him, too,
because of this.
451
00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:02,434
It was not easy for him.
452
00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:07,271
It isn't easy for any of us,
but especially for him.
453
00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:10,474
So it's hard to think
that we lost two
454
00:20:10,544 --> 00:20:13,144
Because of one action.
455
00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:29,660
Spingola: We have four suspects
456
00:20:29,961 --> 00:20:33,331
In the 2007 murder
of 18-year-old anita knutson.
457
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,366
And the one with the clearest
possible motive
458
00:20:36,402 --> 00:20:37,468
Is actually her roommate,
nichole thomas,
459
00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:39,670
Who she had been feuding with
prior to the murder.
460
00:20:40,706 --> 00:20:41,839
Woman:
Anita's mom, sharon, reported
461
00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:46,010
That the roommate had sent anita
threatening texts
462
00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:48,746
And that anita
was scared of her.
463
00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:50,482
[line ringing]
464
00:20:50,683 --> 00:20:52,617
This is detective talbott
with the minot police department
465
00:20:52,819 --> 00:20:54,819
Regarding anita knutson's case.
466
00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:56,420
Spingola: Anita and nichole
had actually known each other
467
00:20:56,622 --> 00:20:57,955
Since high school.
468
00:20:58,157 --> 00:20:59,089
We're hoping
that by interviewing
469
00:20:59,625 --> 00:21:01,425
Some of their old friends,
they can help us fill in
470
00:21:01,627 --> 00:21:03,293
What the fallout
was between the two girls.
471
00:21:03,496 --> 00:21:06,231
Tell me a little about anita
from your perspective.
472
00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:15,874
Do you know anything about
her living situation at all?
473
00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:38,229
Okay. Walk me through
why you think that?
474
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:48,339
Would you say that nikki could
have been jealous of anita?
475
00:21:59,385 --> 00:22:00,218
Okay.
476
00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:11,422
Spingola:
Nichole's friends think
477
00:23:11,625 --> 00:23:13,357
She seemed capable
of committing murder
478
00:23:13,425 --> 00:23:15,926
And was acting strangely
after the death of anita.
479
00:23:16,128 --> 00:23:17,962
And while everybody
reacts differently to trauma,
480
00:23:18,130 --> 00:23:19,897
This is the second time
we're actually hearing
481
00:23:19,965 --> 00:23:21,498
That nichole
seemed more concerned
482
00:23:21,568 --> 00:23:24,668
About her missing ipod than
she did her murdered roommate.
483
00:23:29,175 --> 00:23:30,507
They were warming up,
something they...
484
00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:31,843
[line ringing]
485
00:23:32,044 --> 00:23:33,978
It seems like a lot of people
486
00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:37,047
Knew about anita's roommate
problems with nichole.
487
00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:39,917
But if nichole
was also jealous of anita,
488
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,518
That makes you wonder
489
00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:44,656
If it might have added
emotional fuel to this fire.
490
00:23:44,857 --> 00:23:47,057
Jealousy can be
a powerful motive.
491
00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:49,193
- Woman: Hello.
- Hi. It's detective talbott
492
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,527
With the minot police
department. How are you?
493
00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:52,529
- Good. How are you?
- Not too bad.
494
00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:54,132
See, I have
a couple of questions
495
00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:55,532
Regarding a case
that I'm looking into.
496
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:57,267
We've tracked down
another schoolmate
497
00:23:57,336 --> 00:23:59,303
Of anita and nichole
who might know more.
498
00:24:06,545 --> 00:24:07,545
Do you know nikki at all?
499
00:24:30,569 --> 00:24:32,036
Is there anybody else
that comes to mind
500
00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:33,371
That could've done this
to anita?
501
00:24:43,916 --> 00:24:46,283
What do you think
about him being involved
502
00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:50,020
With the facebook page and the
billboards and stuff like that?
503
00:24:55,595 --> 00:24:57,060
Siegler: We've considered
that jealousy
504
00:24:57,062 --> 00:24:59,029
Might have played a part
in anita's murder.
505
00:24:59,132 --> 00:25:01,632
But maybe it wasn't just nichole
who was jealous.
506
00:25:04,403 --> 00:25:05,303
Right.
507
00:25:20,485 --> 00:25:22,119
Man: Another person police
were eager to question
508
00:25:22,487 --> 00:25:24,121
Was tyler schmaltz.
509
00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:25,656
Woman: Tyler actually saw
law enforcement
510
00:25:26,425 --> 00:25:27,324
At anita's apartment,
511
00:25:28,694 --> 00:25:29,259
And he went over there
to see what was going on.
512
00:25:30,429 --> 00:25:31,429
Was this somebody
who committed a crime,
513
00:25:32,765 --> 00:25:34,265
Trying to keep a close eye
on the investigation?
514
00:25:35,635 --> 00:25:37,367
Was he jealous that she didn't
return the feelings?
515
00:25:37,569 --> 00:25:39,971
So, we're on our way
to see mr. Alex schmaltz
516
00:25:40,172 --> 00:25:42,506
Who was actually the principal
of the school there, right?
517
00:25:42,575 --> 00:25:45,610
Yes. He is
tyler schmaltz's brother.
518
00:25:45,811 --> 00:25:48,211
And then I think alex
may have been living
519
00:25:48,414 --> 00:25:49,479
With tyler at the time.
520
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:51,182
According to some folks,
521
00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:53,784
Tyler schmaltz was actually
very infatuated with anita.
522
00:25:53,853 --> 00:25:56,119
And after the murder,
seemed to insert himself
523
00:25:56,189 --> 00:25:58,923
Into the police investigation,
which is a big red flag.
524
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:00,991
The question is,
was it just a harmless crush,
525
00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:02,392
Or was it something more?
526
00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:03,860
- I'm alex schmaltz.
- Carmen.
527
00:26:03,996 --> 00:26:04,895
- Nice to meet you.
- Steve.
528
00:26:04,898 --> 00:26:05,962
Nice to meet you, steve.
529
00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:07,431
At the time, tyler lived
530
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,133
Within walking distance
of anita's apartment
531
00:26:09,202 --> 00:26:10,767
With his brother alex.
532
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:12,870
We're wondering what alex
might be willing to tell us
533
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:15,405
About the relationship
between tyler and anita
534
00:26:15,607 --> 00:26:17,407
And tyler's whereabouts
the morning of the murder.
535
00:26:17,609 --> 00:26:19,543
Were you older
are younger than them?
536
00:26:19,611 --> 00:26:21,613
I am two years
younger than tyler
537
00:26:21,814 --> 00:26:23,147
And a year younger
than anita was.
538
00:26:23,216 --> 00:26:24,214
- Okay.
- Yeah.
539
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,351
So, did you know her in school?
540
00:26:26,552 --> 00:26:28,752
I knew of her in school.
We ran in different circles.
541
00:26:28,954 --> 00:26:31,688
I knew anita's brother daniel
more so than I knew anita
542
00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:33,423
Just because he played football
with me.
543
00:26:33,493 --> 00:26:36,426
So, did daniel ever talk to you
about what he thought happened?
544
00:26:36,629 --> 00:26:39,497
He never really did.
He kept to himself pretty well.
545
00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:42,567
There was only one time
that we were talking in a group.
546
00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:44,301
There was a group of us.
547
00:26:44,503 --> 00:26:46,236
And he got really upset
about things,
548
00:26:46,305 --> 00:26:48,505
But he never really would
say who he thought.
549
00:26:48,575 --> 00:26:50,307
He was just upset
about the entire situation.
550
00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:52,109
How about nichole?
Did you know her?
551
00:26:52,177 --> 00:26:54,978
I did know nichole.
I knew anita more
552
00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:56,513
Just because she hung out
with tyler.
553
00:26:56,583 --> 00:26:58,916
And what was their
relationship--anita and tyler?
554
00:26:59,251 --> 00:27:02,319
My brother was kind of the quiet
one, shy one, the tech nerd,
555
00:27:02,521 --> 00:27:04,254
And anita was one of those girls
556
00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:05,922
That was just kind
of nice to everybody,
557
00:27:05,991 --> 00:27:07,858
And she would always
hang out with them, talk to 'em.
558
00:27:07,928 --> 00:27:11,395
I moved up to--
I graduated in 2007,
559
00:27:11,463 --> 00:27:13,997
And then I moved up
into the apartments with tyler
560
00:27:14,067 --> 00:27:17,034
Probably about two weeks
before the incident occurred.
561
00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:19,003
Asham: And now it's just, like,
a couple of buildings up.
562
00:27:19,205 --> 00:27:20,270
Like two
or three buildings over.
563
00:27:20,339 --> 00:27:22,673
It was the same complex.
Yeah. Yeah.
564
00:27:22,742 --> 00:27:24,942
So, did you know anything about
what happened that weekend?
565
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:27,878
The only thing that I remember
that far back
566
00:27:27,948 --> 00:27:29,613
Was I left that morning
for work.
567
00:27:29,681 --> 00:27:31,416
I came back,
and there was police officers,
568
00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:34,418
And my brother
was talking to police officers.
569
00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:36,087
What about on, like,
Saturday, Sunday?
570
00:27:36,288 --> 00:27:37,888
Were you around then?
571
00:27:37,958 --> 00:27:39,756
We were around.
572
00:27:39,826 --> 00:27:42,358
Thinking back,
I'm sure I was in and out.
573
00:27:42,395 --> 00:27:44,494
Anything else,
I really don't have.
574
00:27:44,697 --> 00:27:47,164
I really don't remember anything
from that weekend.
575
00:27:47,366 --> 00:27:49,232
Tyler ever go and hang out
at their apartment?
576
00:27:49,302 --> 00:27:52,169
I don't think so.
I don't recall of any times.
577
00:27:52,237 --> 00:27:54,438
Like I said, it was only
two weeks that I was there.
578
00:27:54,773 --> 00:27:57,975
Tyler was very introverted.
You know, he was a big gamer.
579
00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:00,644
So he had his gaming systems and
stuff there in the apartment.
580
00:28:00,713 --> 00:28:02,914
He didn't really like
to go out much.
581
00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:05,382
Alex has nothing incriminating
to say about his brother,
582
00:28:05,452 --> 00:28:06,984
Which is not surprising.
583
00:28:07,052 --> 00:28:09,386
But he also wasn't
supporting him with an alibi.
584
00:28:09,456 --> 00:28:12,256
You'd think if alex was covering
for tyler, he would.
585
00:28:12,458 --> 00:28:15,092
So if tyler is keeping a dark
secret about anita's murder,
586
00:28:15,161 --> 00:28:17,328
It appears his brother
has no idea about it at all.
587
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,129
I wish I could be more help,
588
00:28:19,199 --> 00:28:22,400
But it's--it's-it's a tough one
for sure.
589
00:28:29,141 --> 00:28:31,142
Spingola: It's time we talk
to tyler schmaltz.
590
00:28:31,344 --> 00:28:33,243
We know he was one of the first
people on the scene.
591
00:28:33,312 --> 00:28:35,311
Came across strange
to investigators
592
00:28:35,348 --> 00:28:37,081
And has maintained
a facebook page
593
00:28:37,283 --> 00:28:39,216
Dedicated to anita
throughout the years.
594
00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:42,152
What we don't know is whether
his alleged crush on anita
595
00:28:42,221 --> 00:28:44,621
Possibly led to her murder.
596
00:28:44,691 --> 00:28:46,690
You went to high school
in velva, right?
597
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,992
- Yes.
- And that's how you met anita?
598
00:28:49,061 --> 00:28:50,294
Yeah. We went to prom
junior year.
599
00:28:50,496 --> 00:28:52,163
Okay. So, how did you guys
get to be friends?
600
00:28:52,364 --> 00:28:54,098
We just met at school.
We had classes together.
601
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:55,566
- Yeah.
- We just started talking.
602
00:28:55,701 --> 00:28:57,301
She sat in front of me
in math class.
603
00:28:57,370 --> 00:28:59,436
Okay. Did you date at all?
604
00:28:59,505 --> 00:29:01,871
We did not date. No.
I wanted to, but we never did.
605
00:29:01,908 --> 00:29:04,308
Okay. Did you ask her out
and she shoot you down?
606
00:29:04,510 --> 00:29:05,976
I never asked her out.
Never got that courage.
607
00:29:06,178 --> 00:29:07,711
We were close friends, though.
608
00:29:08,046 --> 00:29:10,381
Tyler was quick to respond
and a very fast talker.
609
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:13,049
He comes across
as a bit socially awkward,
610
00:29:13,252 --> 00:29:15,486
But it doesn't seem like he's
holding back on any information.
611
00:29:15,688 --> 00:29:17,187
Can you tell me
what you remember
612
00:29:17,257 --> 00:29:19,556
About that particular weekend
then when she died?
613
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,191
All the parents
were looking for her,
614
00:29:21,227 --> 00:29:22,193
And they called my dad,
trying to find out
615
00:29:22,394 --> 00:29:23,861
When the last time I saw her.
616
00:29:24,062 --> 00:29:25,496
And I said, "I haven't talked
to her in a week."
617
00:29:25,698 --> 00:29:27,130
Her dad called my dad again.
618
00:29:27,333 --> 00:29:28,832
Said, "we found her
and she's dead."
619
00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:30,267
Then my mom came
and told me what happened.
620
00:29:30,469 --> 00:29:31,601
Then we all raced back
to the apartment.
621
00:29:31,803 --> 00:29:33,403
I met her out there.
622
00:29:33,472 --> 00:29:35,173
There were friends in
my apartment crying and stuff.
623
00:29:35,374 --> 00:29:39,343
Do you remember
where you were Saturday night,
624
00:29:39,411 --> 00:29:41,478
Sunday morning that weekend?
625
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,180
At my apartment sleeping
probably or playing video games.
626
00:29:43,249 --> 00:29:44,882
One of the two.
627
00:29:45,051 --> 00:29:46,283
We play video games to about
2:00 or 3:00 in the morning
628
00:29:46,485 --> 00:29:47,617
And then we go to bed.
629
00:29:47,819 --> 00:29:49,385
Would your brother
had been home, too?
630
00:29:49,389 --> 00:29:50,420
Yeah. He'd have been sleeping,
though. He was working,
631
00:29:50,622 --> 00:29:52,055
So he goes to bed early.
632
00:29:52,157 --> 00:29:53,757
Were you in love with anita?
633
00:29:53,926 --> 00:29:55,193
Yes.
634
00:29:55,394 --> 00:29:57,395
Yeah, I'll admit that. Yeah.
635
00:29:57,596 --> 00:30:00,463
I know you know that--
I'm sure you've heard people
636
00:30:00,666 --> 00:30:02,299
Throw your name
out there, right?
637
00:30:02,501 --> 00:30:04,235
Why? I mean,
what do you think about that
638
00:30:04,436 --> 00:30:05,703
When they throw you out there?
639
00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:08,438
I just act weird.
I'm shy and quiet, and...
640
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,974
It's not that I'm boring.
I just don't like interviews.
641
00:30:11,043 --> 00:30:12,910
So I'm always nervous.
642
00:30:13,111 --> 00:30:14,245
How does that
make you feel, though?
643
00:30:14,446 --> 00:30:15,779
How does that make you, like...
644
00:30:15,847 --> 00:30:17,181
I'm used to it.
It's been constant.
645
00:30:17,383 --> 00:30:19,182
Read a message on facebook
saying I did it
646
00:30:19,251 --> 00:30:20,984
Or I should kill myself or...
647
00:30:21,186 --> 00:30:22,386
- That sucks.
- Yeah.
648
00:30:22,588 --> 00:30:23,653
That's terrible.
649
00:30:23,855 --> 00:30:25,523
It's whatever. I'm used to it.
650
00:30:28,527 --> 00:30:30,460
So, you would never do
anything like that, though?
651
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:31,863
- Not me, no.
- No.
652
00:30:32,064 --> 00:30:33,463
Spingola: Sounds like tyler's
more of a victim
653
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:35,198
Than a suspect in this case.
654
00:30:35,401 --> 00:30:37,267
To be completely thorough,
we have to wait for the lab
655
00:30:37,337 --> 00:30:39,203
To analyze
all of our dna evidence
656
00:30:39,405 --> 00:30:40,938
Before we can rule him out
as a suspect.
657
00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:42,873
But I don't think
he's our killer.
658
00:30:42,942 --> 00:30:45,809
Let's me ask--since you lived
in the same apartment complex--
659
00:30:45,877 --> 00:30:47,211
- Yeah.
- That maintenance guy.
660
00:30:50,749 --> 00:30:52,150
Didn't know anything about him?
661
00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:54,152
Not until after the murder.
And when he killed himself,
662
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:55,085
That's when I found out
about him.
663
00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:56,653
So you never heard rumors around
664
00:30:57,823 --> 00:30:59,889
That he was, like, a creeper
or anything like that?
665
00:31:00,092 --> 00:31:01,392
Okay.
666
00:31:01,594 --> 00:31:03,693
If there's anything
you can help think of
667
00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:05,862
That would help lead us
in the right direction...
668
00:31:06,065 --> 00:31:07,431
I said everything
I could think of.
669
00:31:07,499 --> 00:31:09,032
- I don't know. It's just weird.
- It is.
670
00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:11,302
Doesn't make any sense,
'cause no one hated her.
671
00:31:11,504 --> 00:31:13,003
All her friends loved her.
She didn't have any enemies.
672
00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:14,771
Just outgoing, fun, sociable.
673
00:31:14,841 --> 00:31:17,540
Just always had
a smile on her face.
674
00:31:17,743 --> 00:31:20,377
Doesn't make any sense that
anyone would do that to her.
675
00:31:20,579 --> 00:31:22,312
It just doesn't make any sense.
676
00:31:28,653 --> 00:31:30,921
Man: The next person who has
garnered a lot of suspicion
677
00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:32,756
Would be the maintenance man
678
00:31:33,993 --> 00:31:34,491
Who originally discovered
the cut screen.
679
00:31:35,794 --> 00:31:36,961
The timing of his death
and the reasons behind it
680
00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:38,962
Helped fuel the fire
of suspicion
681
00:31:39,731 --> 00:31:40,998
That he may have been involved.
682
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:43,935
Woman: There are many times
when those who commit crimes
683
00:31:44,136 --> 00:31:47,003
Go on to later commit suicide.
684
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:50,840
But we don't know
if that's the reason.
685
00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:53,076
Spingola: Unlike our
other three suspects,
686
00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:55,213
We don't know
if our maintenance man,
687
00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,148
Marty annell, even knew
anita knutson before her murder.
688
00:31:58,218 --> 00:32:00,284
But he's right in the middle
of this investigation.
689
00:32:00,485 --> 00:32:02,552
He strangely didn't notice
her dead body in her bedroom
690
00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,020
When he collected
the window screen
691
00:32:04,223 --> 00:32:06,858
And mysteriously
committed suicide a year later,
692
00:32:07,059 --> 00:32:08,425
Leading some to believe
that he did it
693
00:32:08,627 --> 00:32:09,961
Over the guilt of killing anita.
694
00:32:10,162 --> 00:32:12,762
He's marty annell's best friend.
695
00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:14,431
I didn't see any reports
696
00:32:14,634 --> 00:32:17,301
Which he was actually
interviewed or not.
697
00:32:17,503 --> 00:32:18,636
If there's anyone
who could tell us
698
00:32:18,837 --> 00:32:20,303
About why marty
committed suicide,
699
00:32:20,373 --> 00:32:22,240
It's his best friend
who spoke with him
700
00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:24,908
Just hours
before he killed himself.
701
00:32:24,977 --> 00:32:27,611
Marty and I,
we were best friends for...
702
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:29,646
Woman: Go lay down.
703
00:32:29,716 --> 00:32:31,314
...45 years.
704
00:32:31,517 --> 00:32:33,050
Talked to each other every day.
705
00:32:33,251 --> 00:32:35,452
See each other every day.
706
00:32:35,654 --> 00:32:39,789
When he started changing
is when that girl got killed.
707
00:32:39,858 --> 00:32:41,993
Talbott: What do you mean
by "changing"?
708
00:32:42,194 --> 00:32:46,663
Uh, he was, you know,
worried about his job.
709
00:32:46,865 --> 00:32:48,798
He was worried
about his relationship,
710
00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:51,234
And just..."oh, come on."
711
00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:54,671
Before he was never
really worried about anything.
712
00:32:54,873 --> 00:32:57,208
I mean, even when he got
into trouble,
713
00:32:57,409 --> 00:33:00,477
You know, for dui's or weed,
714
00:33:00,679 --> 00:33:04,481
He was never really worried
about anything until...
715
00:33:04,683 --> 00:33:06,083
Talbott: Until then.
716
00:33:06,284 --> 00:33:08,618
Did he ever talk about anita
and her roommate at all?
717
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:10,887
No. No. I mean,
718
00:33:10,957 --> 00:33:15,692
The first time that I ever knew
that she lived there was...
719
00:33:15,762 --> 00:33:17,427
When we got involved?
720
00:33:17,497 --> 00:33:20,031
When you guys got involved
and she was found dead.
721
00:33:20,232 --> 00:33:23,200
You know, you guys
were questioning him
722
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:25,835
And everybody else
about this case.
723
00:33:26,037 --> 00:33:28,037
You know, he came out and said,
724
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,907
"yeah, I changed
the screen and everything."
725
00:33:30,977 --> 00:33:33,444
And they came
and asked me about it.
726
00:33:33,645 --> 00:33:35,913
He called me
on new year's eve.
727
00:33:36,115 --> 00:33:38,416
We talked for six hours.
728
00:33:38,617 --> 00:33:40,917
He said that something
was wrong.
729
00:33:40,987 --> 00:33:43,386
In the conversation,
he said, "I did something"
730
00:33:43,589 --> 00:33:45,656
Or "something happened."
731
00:33:45,857 --> 00:33:47,857
He never alluded as to what?
732
00:33:48,059 --> 00:33:50,193
And I tried to figure out
733
00:33:50,395 --> 00:33:52,328
What, you know--you know,
what was going on.
734
00:33:52,397 --> 00:33:53,597
Talbott: Mm-hmm.
735
00:33:53,665 --> 00:33:56,666
Witness: But he never said.
736
00:33:56,735 --> 00:33:59,069
...Called me
in the morning...
737
00:34:00,672 --> 00:34:05,408
And hear he had committed
suicide in the garage.
738
00:34:05,611 --> 00:34:06,744
Up at the apartment
complex, right?
739
00:34:06,945 --> 00:34:09,145
Up at the apartment complex.
740
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:13,016
And I thought, "what the hell
is going--why? What did you do?"
741
00:34:13,185 --> 00:34:15,952
To me, he would never do that.
742
00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:17,554
Spingola: It's still unclear
743
00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:19,622
If marty had anything to do
with anita's murder.
744
00:34:19,692 --> 00:34:21,891
Unfortunately,
all his friend has to offer
745
00:34:22,093 --> 00:34:23,893
Is the gut feeling
that marty did it.
746
00:34:23,962 --> 00:34:27,097
I really did wonder
if he did it.
747
00:34:27,299 --> 00:34:28,898
Something happened.
748
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:31,635
Something really,
really happened.
749
00:34:31,836 --> 00:34:33,837
I wish I knew what happened.
750
00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,206
I don't know.
751
00:34:46,985 --> 00:34:48,886
Siegler:
While we're making progress,
752
00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:52,223
We still have four
possible suspects on our board.
753
00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:54,524
- Welcome to north dakota.
- Oh, thank you.
754
00:34:54,726 --> 00:34:57,327
- Dr. Pinneri, you know steve.
- Yeah. Hi.
755
00:34:57,496 --> 00:34:59,195
Dr. Kathy pinneri has joined us
756
00:34:59,232 --> 00:35:01,698
To help us examine
anita's wounds.
757
00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:03,233
The question is,
758
00:35:03,268 --> 00:35:05,402
Is there anything
about her injuries
759
00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:07,604
That would help us understand
the relationship
760
00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:09,472
Between anita and her killer?
761
00:35:09,508 --> 00:35:12,475
So, she was found face down
on her bed wearing a bathrobe
762
00:35:12,545 --> 00:35:14,744
Around 5 p.M.
763
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:16,547
She was still in rigor mortis,
764
00:35:16,748 --> 00:35:18,682
But there was
a little collection of fly eggs
765
00:35:18,884 --> 00:35:20,083
On her chest,
766
00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:23,219
Which does imply
that there was time enough
767
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:26,089
For insects to come
in through the window.
768
00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:29,159
She has these two stab wounds--
769
00:35:29,328 --> 00:35:30,760
One on the center of the chest
770
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:33,930
And one off to the right
and up a little bit.
771
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:35,666
So, we have one coming in
like this
772
00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:37,234
And one coming in like that.
773
00:35:37,435 --> 00:35:39,769
Do you think she was moving
when she was stabbed?
774
00:35:39,838 --> 00:35:42,173
The person's on top. Was she
moving from this one to this?
775
00:35:42,374 --> 00:35:43,841
I don't think
she was struggling.
776
00:35:43,942 --> 00:35:46,577
This is two quick stabs,
777
00:35:46,778 --> 00:35:50,113
And the perpetrator
is out of the picture.
778
00:35:50,181 --> 00:35:52,115
There's certainly are
no defensive wounds.
779
00:35:52,183 --> 00:35:54,317
And it doesn't look
like a crime of passion.
780
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:57,787
Those tend to have
way more stab wounds.
781
00:35:57,856 --> 00:36:00,191
This isn't that.
782
00:36:00,392 --> 00:36:03,459
Siegler: Our suspects,
michael vann and tyler schmaltz,
783
00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:05,495
Had crushes on anita.
784
00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:07,297
If they had been rejected,
785
00:36:07,365 --> 00:36:10,468
You would expect it to be
more like a crime of passion,
786
00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:12,402
Committed in the heat
of the moment.
787
00:36:12,472 --> 00:36:14,304
More like overkill.
788
00:36:14,306 --> 00:36:16,340
Nichole thomas,
on the other hand,
789
00:36:16,374 --> 00:36:18,708
Had been feuding with anita
for months,
790
00:36:18,911 --> 00:36:21,110
And she was an avid hunter.
791
00:36:21,147 --> 00:36:25,081
Is it possible that anita's
murder was more thought out?
792
00:36:25,151 --> 00:36:27,917
It's just two stab wounds
very close.
793
00:36:27,987 --> 00:36:30,087
Obviously, you have to be
for a stab wound,
794
00:36:30,289 --> 00:36:34,023
So it would imply
some sort of familiarity--
795
00:36:34,092 --> 00:36:36,227
If she was awake and knew
the person was coming in.
796
00:36:50,006 --> 00:36:52,175
Man: Police have
gathered dna samples
797
00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:53,743
From almost everyone
they spoke with.
798
00:36:54,579 --> 00:36:55,179
They've never gotten a match.
799
00:36:55,847 --> 00:36:56,813
Woman: At this point,
800
00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:01,852
Law enforcement
are not ruling out anyone.
801
00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:04,353
So, we sent the knife,
the window screen,
802
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:06,724
And the window
and the fingernail scrapings.
803
00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:07,957
Ooh, maybe you'll get lucky.
804
00:37:08,027 --> 00:37:09,993
We've got a lot of theories
805
00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:12,662
About who might have
killed anita knutson.
806
00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:15,064
What we need, though,
is more evidence.
807
00:37:15,268 --> 00:37:16,733
Man: Hello.
808
00:37:16,801 --> 00:37:18,802
Hey, derek, it's detective asham
calling from minot p.D.
809
00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,737
We understand
you'd wanna share with us
810
00:37:20,939 --> 00:37:22,338
What you got
from the dna testing.
811
00:37:22,408 --> 00:37:24,207
Siegler: Hopefully,
our dna results
812
00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:27,143
Can connect one of our
four suspects to the crime.
813
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:56,173
Okay.
814
00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:15,325
As it sits, we have nothing
to compare other than anita's.
815
00:38:15,394 --> 00:38:16,926
Siegler: We tried,
816
00:38:16,995 --> 00:38:19,395
But just like the last time
the evidence was tested,
817
00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:21,865
The dna results
are pretty useless.
818
00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:23,534
If we're gonna figure out
who killed anita,
819
00:38:23,735 --> 00:38:25,201
We're gonna have to do it
another way.
820
00:38:25,271 --> 00:38:28,271
The good news is, we all have
enough confidence now
821
00:38:28,339 --> 00:38:30,406
To eliminate
one of the suspects.
822
00:38:30,476 --> 00:38:33,609
Let's talk about tyler schmaltz.
823
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:37,414
Asham: He came off as genuinely
wanting to be helpful.
824
00:38:37,616 --> 00:38:40,316
I do see and he admits it
freely himself
825
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:42,085
That he's kind of a weird kid.
826
00:38:42,087 --> 00:38:44,688
We asked tyler, "were you
in love with her?" "oh, yeah."
827
00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:46,155
- Did you date at all?
- We did not date, no.
828
00:38:46,357 --> 00:38:47,757
I wanted to, but we never did.
829
00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:50,326
Okay. Did you ask her out
and she shoot you down?
830
00:38:50,529 --> 00:38:51,962
I never asked her out.
Never got that courage.
831
00:38:52,297 --> 00:38:53,564
We were close friends, though.
832
00:38:53,765 --> 00:38:56,632
Back in high school,
he was not the popular crowd.
833
00:38:56,701 --> 00:39:01,904
And he's so beholden to anita
for being nice to him.
834
00:39:01,974 --> 00:39:03,907
Taking him to the prom.
It's almost kind of sad.
835
00:39:03,975 --> 00:39:07,110
Kind of his way
of repaying the favor to her
836
00:39:07,179 --> 00:39:09,446
For being the one
who was nice to him.
837
00:39:09,647 --> 00:39:10,980
Tyler loved anita.
838
00:39:11,149 --> 00:39:12,982
He's always been cooperative.
839
00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:15,251
He gave his dna.
840
00:39:15,321 --> 00:39:17,921
He's been nothing but passionate
about remembering her
841
00:39:18,123 --> 00:39:20,389
And raising awareness
for her case,
842
00:39:20,592 --> 00:39:23,260
So much so that people
got the wrong idea about him.
843
00:39:23,395 --> 00:39:25,261
And those billboards
around town,
844
00:39:25,331 --> 00:39:27,196
He's the one
who raised money for them,
845
00:39:27,399 --> 00:39:30,199
Soliciting tips with information
to go to the police with.
846
00:39:30,401 --> 00:39:33,070
Nobody would willingly try
to solve a murder
847
00:39:33,271 --> 00:39:35,038
If they're the one who did it.
848
00:39:35,106 --> 00:39:37,940
Tyler's never been trying
to control this investigation.
849
00:39:38,010 --> 00:39:40,343
He has always
just been trying to help.
850
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,413
Does anybody have any hesitation
851
00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:45,081
Taking tyler schmaltz off
this suspect board?
852
00:39:45,283 --> 00:39:46,883
- No.
- Everybody's good.
853
00:39:46,952 --> 00:39:50,754
In my mind, tyler has been
a victim all these years, too.
854
00:39:50,956 --> 00:39:53,022
It feels good to clear him.
855
00:39:53,358 --> 00:39:55,992
And that leaves us
with three suspects.
856
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:04,301
So, we're on our way
to see nick skelly.
857
00:40:04,503 --> 00:40:06,903
And he knew money mike--
mike vann.
858
00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:09,373
I don't know. I've read this
where mike has said
859
00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:12,174
He was gonna kill somebody
or he might have killed anita.
860
00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:15,112
I'm not sure exactly what the
story is with michael vann here,
861
00:40:15,313 --> 00:40:17,614
Who we can't talk to now
because he's dead.
862
00:40:30,328 --> 00:40:33,130
So, I'm gonna ask you
one question.
863
00:40:33,331 --> 00:40:35,064
Are you responsible
for her death?
864
00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:38,000
Did you kill her?
865
00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:40,403
Since her dna was a bust,
it's clear witnesses
866
00:40:40,605 --> 00:40:42,206
Will be the key
to solving anita's murder.
867
00:40:42,407 --> 00:40:43,674
[knocking]
868
00:40:43,875 --> 00:40:45,008
We tracked down a friend
869
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:47,076
That michael vann
allegedly confessed to.
870
00:40:47,145 --> 00:40:48,477
- Hi.
- Hi. Can I help you?
871
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,213
- Are you nick?
- Yeah.
872
00:40:50,414 --> 00:40:52,081
If that's true,
that could be the huge break
873
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:53,016
We need in this case.
874
00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:54,417
I have a couple of questions
875
00:40:54,485 --> 00:40:57,020
Regarding anita knutson's case.
876
00:40:57,222 --> 00:40:58,554
Oh, [bleep].
877
00:40:58,624 --> 00:41:00,090
[laughs] it's been a minute,
I know.
878
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:03,559
But you had mentioned being
friends with michael vann.
879
00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:07,030
Okay. Yeah. Hmm.
880
00:41:07,232 --> 00:41:09,166
There was a lot of bull[bleep]
rumors going on
881
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:12,168
About that he had something
to do with it.
882
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:15,572
He had attractions for anita.
883
00:41:15,707 --> 00:41:18,207
He was saying that him and her
were gonna hook up
884
00:41:18,277 --> 00:41:19,842
And start dating
and this and that.
885
00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:21,511
Did you ever hear him say
he killed anita
886
00:41:21,580 --> 00:41:23,112
Or he was thinking
about killing somebody?
887
00:41:23,181 --> 00:41:24,613
No.
888
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:26,716
Do you think
he's capable of killing people?
889
00:41:26,786 --> 00:41:29,585
Mm. That's hard to say.
890
00:41:29,654 --> 00:41:31,454
When we went to the viewing
at the funeral
891
00:41:31,523 --> 00:41:33,990
And stuff like that,
he seemed pretty upset about it.
892
00:41:34,192 --> 00:41:38,461
But anybody
could pull that [bleep] off.
893
00:41:38,529 --> 00:41:40,798
Every cold case
has rumors involved with it,
894
00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:42,399
And it seems
that michael's confession
895
00:41:42,601 --> 00:41:44,167
Is nothing more than that.
896
00:41:44,235 --> 00:41:45,869
And nick can't say
one way or another
897
00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:47,738
Whether michael was involved.
898
00:41:47,939 --> 00:41:50,473
Do you have anything else
that you think that would help
899
00:41:50,675 --> 00:41:53,076
Or rumors that you heard?
900
00:41:53,278 --> 00:41:56,345
Well, this girl that we went
to school with was her roommate.
901
00:41:56,414 --> 00:41:58,614
I think her name
was, like, nichole thomas
902
00:41:58,684 --> 00:42:00,349
Or something like that.
903
00:42:00,552 --> 00:42:02,753
There were some people
that I was talking with
904
00:42:02,854 --> 00:42:04,954
That went to a party with her,
and she got drunk,
905
00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:07,223
And somebody
was blaming her for it.
906
00:42:07,425 --> 00:42:10,159
And she, [bleep]--
she was drunk.
907
00:42:10,228 --> 00:42:12,094
She just all of a sudden
out of nowhere,
908
00:42:12,164 --> 00:42:14,163
"oh, yeah, I [bleep] did it.
[bleep] you.
909
00:42:14,232 --> 00:42:15,631
You guys are gonna blame
this [bleep]--
910
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:17,633
I might as well admit it."
911
00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:20,836
Just like, okay. You know, I'm
not gonna jump to conclusions.
912
00:42:20,905 --> 00:42:22,838
- Were you at that party?
- No, I wasn't.
913
00:42:22,907 --> 00:42:24,441
No? Do you know who was?
914
00:42:24,643 --> 00:42:28,044
I can't even remember. No.
I have no idea.
915
00:42:28,246 --> 00:42:29,679
Talbott: Okay.
916
00:42:30,014 --> 00:42:31,213
Spingola: Now we're hearing
that it was nichole thomas
917
00:42:31,317 --> 00:42:32,715
Who confessed at a party.
918
00:42:32,818 --> 00:42:34,517
It could just be another rumor.
919
00:42:34,585 --> 00:42:36,285
But if there was
a party full of people,
920
00:42:36,354 --> 00:42:38,322
That's a whole new world
of witnesses
921
00:42:38,523 --> 00:42:40,190
Who might provide us
with more information
922
00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,125
About nichole
being anita's killer.
923
00:42:43,194 --> 00:42:45,461
We'll have to do some research
and see if we can find the names
924
00:42:45,531 --> 00:42:47,396
Of a couple of people
that were there.
925
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,932
- At the party?
- And heard her say it as well.
926
00:42:50,001 --> 00:42:52,735
These people that talk about her
being the same kind of drunk
927
00:42:52,937 --> 00:42:55,138
And saying the same thing
and they're credible,
928
00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:56,940
Golly, that'd be nice.
929
00:42:57,041 --> 00:43:00,210
We still got three suspects
and a lot to figure out,
930
00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:02,445
But this could be the break
we've been looking for.
931
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:10,419
Siegler: Next time
on "cold justice"...
932
00:43:10,488 --> 00:43:11,554
Oh, my gosh.
933
00:43:11,623 --> 00:43:15,324
There's gonna be one...Here.
934
00:43:15,394 --> 00:43:18,561
Comes across. And then with the
fatal right between the breasts.
935
00:43:18,763 --> 00:43:21,230
This was anita's text messages.
Mike responds.
936
00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:22,898
"you don't say anything."
937
00:43:22,967 --> 00:43:24,834
I think that sums up
their relationship right there.
938
00:43:24,969 --> 00:43:26,202
I still think all killers talk.
939
00:43:26,272 --> 00:43:28,404
It's just a matter
of who they talk to.
940
00:43:28,473 --> 00:43:30,573
Your name was brought up
for being at a party.
941
00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:32,743
It was
a very volatile situation
942
00:43:32,944 --> 00:43:34,377
That I thought
was gonna explode.
943
00:43:34,712 --> 00:43:37,180
The biggest reason
for his suicide was...
944
00:43:37,382 --> 00:43:38,615
Damn.
945
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:40,317
I didn't say
any of this stuff.
946
00:43:40,518 --> 00:43:44,020
I want the person found, too,
'cause I want my life back.