1 00:00:02,236 --> 00:00:03,871 - ♪♪ MTV ♪♪ 2 00:00:03,937 --> 00:00:06,640 - We got Motherwolff and David. 3 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:09,676 20 years, they've been talking. 4 00:00:09,743 --> 00:00:12,179 - This is someone that's miles and miles away. 5 00:00:12,246 --> 00:00:14,014 And it's like if I needed something, 6 00:00:14,081 --> 00:00:15,916 I can just pick up the phone and call him. 7 00:00:15,983 --> 00:00:17,384 He's my constant. 8 00:00:17,451 --> 00:00:19,286 - Hey David, its Nev here. 9 00:00:21,522 --> 00:00:22,623 I'm ready to take you down there, 10 00:00:22,689 --> 00:00:24,424 whether he calls us back or not. 11 00:00:24,491 --> 00:00:27,294 - No matter what happens, we're here with you. 12 00:00:27,361 --> 00:00:28,529 - Come on, David. 13 00:00:28,595 --> 00:00:30,330 - There's a light on, but... 14 00:00:30,397 --> 00:00:32,132 oh, Jesus. 15 00:00:32,199 --> 00:00:34,735 Hello. - Oh, my God. 16 00:00:37,571 --> 00:00:42,276 - All right, well, sadly, we don't have Kamie on this ep. 17 00:00:42,342 --> 00:00:45,679 But we have a very cool guest co-host, 18 00:00:45,746 --> 00:00:48,215 and he's just inside that door. 19 00:00:48,282 --> 00:00:51,051 Great guy, great actor... 20 00:00:51,118 --> 00:00:52,886 Dylan Sprayberry. 21 00:00:52,953 --> 00:00:54,087 Dylan. 22 00:00:54,154 --> 00:00:55,389 - Oh, my God, Nev. 23 00:00:55,455 --> 00:00:56,890 Nice to meet you. - Hey, good to see you. 24 00:00:56,957 --> 00:01:00,160 Dylan is literally Superman, or at least 25 00:01:00,227 --> 00:01:03,864 he was when he played young Clark Kent in "Man of Steel." 26 00:01:03,931 --> 00:01:06,767 And his career has only flown to new heights from there. 27 00:01:06,834 --> 00:01:09,503 He achieved full-blown teen heartthrob status 28 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:11,839 when he starred in MTV's "Teen Wolf." 29 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:13,473 And he's now reprising that role 30 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:16,410 in the upcoming "Teen Wolf" movie. 31 00:01:16,476 --> 00:01:17,845 What's up, buddy? - Come on in. 32 00:01:17,911 --> 00:01:19,980 - All right, so welcome to the show. 33 00:01:20,047 --> 00:01:21,148 - Thank you. I'm excited for this. 34 00:01:21,215 --> 00:01:22,649 - Nice to have you back on MTV. 35 00:01:22,716 --> 00:01:24,685 - It's been a long time. - Right, yeah, that's right. 36 00:01:24,751 --> 00:01:28,021 Also, I have to say, this is a real special moment for me 37 00:01:28,088 --> 00:01:31,592 because it might be one of the only times 38 00:01:31,658 --> 00:01:34,795 someone on the show has had as much or more chest hair 39 00:01:34,862 --> 00:01:35,963 than I do. 40 00:01:36,029 --> 00:01:37,097 I should have been on "Teen Wolf." 41 00:01:37,164 --> 00:01:38,498 - You could have been on "Teen Wolf." 42 00:01:38,565 --> 00:01:40,267 They wouldn't have had to do too many effects. 43 00:01:40,334 --> 00:01:41,668 - Right. - Oh, God. 44 00:01:41,735 --> 00:01:43,270 - Oh, come on. - Dude. 45 00:01:43,337 --> 00:01:45,005 - Anyway, all right. 46 00:01:45,072 --> 00:01:46,473 So let's get into it. 47 00:01:46,540 --> 00:01:48,609 - Let's do it. - Got an email here. 48 00:01:48,675 --> 00:01:53,247 Subject of the email is "20 years of longing." 49 00:01:53,313 --> 00:01:56,350 And it's from Motherwolff, PA. 50 00:01:56,416 --> 00:01:57,584 Which I assume is Pennsylvania. 51 00:01:57,651 --> 00:01:59,553 But is Motherwolff a place or a person? 52 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:01,054 - That's my mom. - Oh, my God. 53 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:02,823 Wait a second. - That's my mother. 54 00:02:02,890 --> 00:02:04,758 - Is there a mother character in "Teen Wolf"? 55 00:02:04,825 --> 00:02:05,993 Okay. 56 00:02:06,059 --> 00:02:07,995 Hello, my name is June. 57 00:02:08,061 --> 00:02:09,796 But I go by Motherwolff. 58 00:02:09,863 --> 00:02:13,433 I'm a 53-year-old freelance dog sitter. 59 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:15,235 I have five kids 60 00:02:15,302 --> 00:02:17,404 and nine grandkids. - Damn! 61 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:21,241 - And I've been in an on again, off again online relationship 62 00:02:21,308 --> 00:02:22,876 with a man named David. 63 00:02:22,943 --> 00:02:27,147 - ♪♪ I know we would manage if we just tried ♪♪ 64 00:02:27,214 --> 00:02:31,685 - He's in Orlando, and I'm in York, Pennsylvania. 65 00:02:31,752 --> 00:02:35,956 I met him 20 years ago in an AOL chat room 66 00:02:36,023 --> 00:02:39,393 where he went as Warlock. - Oh, wow. 67 00:02:39,459 --> 00:02:42,796 - ♪♪ We can write our own story ♪♪ 68 00:02:42,863 --> 00:02:46,300 ♪♪ We can make our own glory ♪♪ 69 00:02:46,366 --> 00:02:48,202 - He was comforting and kind. 70 00:02:48,268 --> 00:02:52,439 But when I first heard his voice, it drove me wild. 71 00:02:52,506 --> 00:02:54,441 It's deep and husky. 72 00:02:54,508 --> 00:02:56,210 - Oh! 73 00:02:56,276 --> 00:02:59,146 - It's still gives me chills down my spine. 74 00:02:59,213 --> 00:03:03,016 Over the years, even when we began to become more distant 75 00:03:03,083 --> 00:03:05,152 and contact wouldn't happen for months at a time, 76 00:03:05,219 --> 00:03:07,421 he would send a message and we would catch up 77 00:03:07,487 --> 00:03:09,056 with how our lives were going. 78 00:03:09,122 --> 00:03:10,791 - ♪♪ I've got a friend in you...♪♪ 79 00:03:10,858 --> 00:03:14,261 - He became so much a part of my daughter's and my life 80 00:03:14,328 --> 00:03:15,696 even from far away. 81 00:03:15,762 --> 00:03:18,832 He was there for me through many hard times 82 00:03:18,899 --> 00:03:24,004 and my evolution from solitary witch to satanist. 83 00:03:26,507 --> 00:03:29,376 Wow, this is fascinating. - This is juicy. 84 00:03:29,443 --> 00:03:34,147 - He always seemed to feel me and hear me as I would speak 85 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,517 his name on the night winds. 86 00:03:36,583 --> 00:03:39,052 [voice whispers] David... 87 00:03:39,119 --> 00:03:42,155 Over these 20 years, there was constantly 88 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:43,924 talk of meeting in person. 89 00:03:43,991 --> 00:03:46,727 For one reason or another, it hasn't happened. 90 00:03:46,793 --> 00:03:49,229 Now more than ever, I want him. 91 00:03:49,296 --> 00:03:50,631 I need him. 92 00:03:50,697 --> 00:03:52,366 Could you please finally help me 93 00:03:52,432 --> 00:03:55,269 put a solid face and presence to someone I've cared 94 00:03:55,335 --> 00:03:57,771 deeply about for so long? 95 00:03:57,838 --> 00:04:03,911 Sincerely, June AKA Motherwolff." 96 00:04:05,712 --> 00:04:07,214 - That's heavy, man. 97 00:04:07,281 --> 00:04:08,849 - Wow, 20 years. 98 00:04:08,916 --> 00:04:10,517 All right. Well, we gotta call this woman. 99 00:04:10,584 --> 00:04:12,686 I'm fascinated. Motherwolff. 100 00:04:12,753 --> 00:04:15,389 [line ringing] 101 00:04:16,156 --> 00:04:18,792 - Yes, hi. Is this Motherwolff? 102 00:04:19,459 --> 00:04:22,229 - Hey, it's Nev. 103 00:04:22,296 --> 00:04:27,100 - And for this episode, we have a guest co-host. 104 00:04:27,167 --> 00:04:28,135 - And his name is Dylan. 105 00:04:28,202 --> 00:04:30,037 - Hi there, miss. Nice to meet you. 106 00:04:31,572 --> 00:04:32,973 - How did you get the name Motherwolff? 107 00:04:45,252 --> 00:04:47,955 - Wow. I'd rather talk about it in person. 108 00:04:48,021 --> 00:04:50,524 Do you have time right now if we come 109 00:04:50,591 --> 00:04:54,061 meet you out in Pennsylvania? 110 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:56,630 - All right, we're gonna fly out and we'll get into it. 111 00:04:57,664 --> 00:04:58,899 - Bye-bye now. Can't wait. 112 00:05:00,601 --> 00:05:01,735 - All right. Take care. 113 00:05:01,802 --> 00:05:03,504 Wow. This is crazy. 114 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:06,440 - ♪♪ Better be a dream with a different entry ♪♪ 115 00:05:06,507 --> 00:05:09,409 ♪♪ Clean off my finger like an ice cream ♪♪ 116 00:05:09,476 --> 00:05:10,811 ♪♪ The sun was shining...♪♪ 117 00:05:10,878 --> 00:05:12,279 - Ah, Pennsylvania. 118 00:05:12,346 --> 00:05:14,748 - So Motherwolff and David. 119 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:16,450 - So-called David. 120 00:05:16,517 --> 00:05:18,218 - Talking for 20 years. 121 00:05:18,285 --> 00:05:19,720 - I hope it's really him. 122 00:05:19,786 --> 00:05:21,588 - Who really is him? 123 00:05:21,655 --> 00:05:24,858 - Here we go. - All right. 124 00:05:25,592 --> 00:05:27,694 [doorbell rings] 125 00:05:28,662 --> 00:05:30,731 - Hi. - Hey, what's up? 126 00:05:30,797 --> 00:05:31,999 - Hello. How youse all doing? 127 00:05:32,065 --> 00:05:33,934 - Good. How are you? - Nice to meet you. 128 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:35,435 - Good to meet you. - Nev, obviously. Dylan. 129 00:05:35,502 --> 00:05:36,770 - Hi, Dylan. Nice to meet you. 130 00:05:36,837 --> 00:05:38,071 - Good to meet you also. Come on in. 131 00:05:38,138 --> 00:05:39,540 - So should we just call you Motherwolff? 132 00:05:39,606 --> 00:05:42,142 - Yeah. - Thanks for having us. 133 00:05:42,209 --> 00:05:43,343 - I'm so very curious. 134 00:05:43,410 --> 00:05:44,611 - Uh-huh. 135 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:46,747 - You used to be a... - In a coven? 136 00:05:46,813 --> 00:05:48,649 - Well, yeah. You were an independent witch. 137 00:05:48,715 --> 00:05:50,417 Wait, what'd you call it? - Oh, yes, 30 plus years, 138 00:05:50,484 --> 00:05:51,985 I was conservative Baptist. 139 00:05:52,052 --> 00:05:53,153 - Got it. 140 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:55,222 - And then in my early 30s, I dedicated 141 00:05:55,289 --> 00:05:56,490 into solitary witchcraft. 142 00:05:56,557 --> 00:05:59,459 - Can you give me some background 143 00:05:59,526 --> 00:06:01,862 as to what it means when you say practice witchcraft? 144 00:06:01,929 --> 00:06:03,530 - With witchcraft, we look at it 145 00:06:03,597 --> 00:06:07,201 as we manifest our desires by speaking it on the wind 146 00:06:07,267 --> 00:06:08,702 and with our works. 147 00:06:08,769 --> 00:06:09,970 - Can you give me an example? 148 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:12,439 What if any spells have you attempted 149 00:06:12,506 --> 00:06:13,874 to use in regards to David? 150 00:06:13,941 --> 00:06:15,409 Can you inspire him to... 151 00:06:15,475 --> 00:06:17,978 - Yes, we actually...it's called speaking on the wind. 152 00:06:18,045 --> 00:06:20,480 We had went without talking for a while, 153 00:06:20,547 --> 00:06:22,349 and my mom had passed away. 154 00:06:22,416 --> 00:06:24,318 And I had no way to reach him. 155 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:27,387 He wasn't answering his messages. 156 00:06:27,454 --> 00:06:29,289 And I put the window up. 157 00:06:29,356 --> 00:06:31,491 And I sat there, and I called out to him. 158 00:06:31,558 --> 00:06:33,193 I said, "I need you." 159 00:06:33,260 --> 00:06:35,395 And we do this little thing where it's like a little howl. 160 00:06:35,462 --> 00:06:37,531 - Like a howl, like, kind of like a wolf? 161 00:06:37,598 --> 00:06:39,733 - Yeah. It's just a real light... 162 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,468 [howls] Aoooh... 163 00:06:41,535 --> 00:06:46,673 And he called me 30 minutes later, he said, "I heard you." 164 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:47,908 - He said that? - That's wild. 165 00:06:47,975 --> 00:06:49,243 - He was like, I felt like I knew... 166 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:50,811 - He said, "I heard you." 167 00:06:50,878 --> 00:06:53,046 - And is he versed in any of this kind of stuff 168 00:06:53,113 --> 00:06:54,715 that you do as well? - Okay. 169 00:06:54,781 --> 00:06:57,084 - In fact, when we had met... 170 00:06:57,150 --> 00:06:59,419 it was a chat room called Virtual Magic. 171 00:06:59,486 --> 00:07:01,421 I saw his name and it caught my attention. 172 00:07:01,488 --> 00:07:02,723 His name was Warlock. 173 00:07:02,789 --> 00:07:05,993 And it just... I don't know something 174 00:07:06,059 --> 00:07:07,027 about it clicked to me. 175 00:07:07,094 --> 00:07:08,729 I just kept watching him. 176 00:07:08,795 --> 00:07:11,431 And we got to talking, and it just took off from there. 177 00:07:11,498 --> 00:07:14,034 And we would just talk and talk. 178 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:16,336 And then next thing I knew, he had my phone number, 179 00:07:16,403 --> 00:07:18,172 and we were talking on the phone. 180 00:07:18,238 --> 00:07:21,341 And we were talking all the time, hours on the phone. 181 00:07:21,408 --> 00:07:25,345 - You mentioned in your email how much you love his voice. 182 00:07:25,412 --> 00:07:29,449 - Yes. His voice was always kind of smooth, very calming. 183 00:07:29,516 --> 00:07:31,585 And I would relax instantly. 184 00:07:31,652 --> 00:07:34,922 Now the only place I hear from him is through messenger. 185 00:07:34,988 --> 00:07:36,757 But it was just really nice. 186 00:07:36,823 --> 00:07:38,992 And he was just always right there. 187 00:07:39,059 --> 00:07:42,062 He spent a lot of time talking to us, me and my kids. 188 00:07:42,129 --> 00:07:44,731 We became very, very close. 189 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:46,300 It was so surprising that, you know, 190 00:07:46,366 --> 00:07:48,468 this is someone that's miles and miles away. 191 00:07:48,535 --> 00:07:51,705 And it's like if...if I needed something, I could just pick 192 00:07:51,772 --> 00:07:53,140 up the phone and call him. 193 00:07:53,207 --> 00:07:55,142 If my girls had a bad time at school, 194 00:07:55,209 --> 00:07:56,510 he'd talk to 'em about it. 195 00:07:56,577 --> 00:07:58,111 We talked every day. 196 00:07:58,178 --> 00:08:01,481 But he would disappear for months at a time 197 00:08:01,548 --> 00:08:03,183 or I wouldn't hear from him. 198 00:08:03,250 --> 00:08:05,252 But he always seemed to feel when I was having a crisis. 199 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:07,421 You know, he'd be... be gone for like three, 200 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:09,723 four, maybe five months, I wouldn't hear anything. 201 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:11,859 And then something would be going 202 00:08:11,925 --> 00:08:13,560 on that just had me a little stressed out 203 00:08:13,627 --> 00:08:15,262 and I'd hear from. 204 00:08:15,329 --> 00:08:17,164 During some of the hardest times in my life, he's there. 205 00:08:17,231 --> 00:08:18,999 - And now, over the course of the 20 years, 206 00:08:19,066 --> 00:08:21,201 I imagine you both had other relationships. 207 00:08:21,268 --> 00:08:23,871 - Yes. I've had several relationships. 208 00:08:23,937 --> 00:08:25,739 They all knew about him. 209 00:08:25,806 --> 00:08:27,608 I said, "I have a man that I will 210 00:08:27,674 --> 00:08:28,742 not stop talking to though. 211 00:08:28,809 --> 00:08:30,410 It's not negotiable." 212 00:08:30,477 --> 00:08:32,279 And they said, "Well, what if I give you an ultimatum?" 213 00:08:32,346 --> 00:08:34,715 I said, "Well, you can put your shoes right back on." 214 00:08:34,781 --> 00:08:36,116 That's where it was at. 215 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:39,052 He's my constant. Constantly the one there. 216 00:08:39,119 --> 00:08:41,755 - So wait, so what do you know about this guy? 217 00:08:41,822 --> 00:08:43,790 Has he always lived in Orlando? 218 00:08:43,857 --> 00:08:45,292 - As far as I know, yeah. 219 00:08:45,359 --> 00:08:47,294 I don't know the street number anymore. 220 00:08:47,361 --> 00:08:49,329 But I know he used to live on Stonebridge Lane 221 00:08:49,396 --> 00:08:51,398 'cause I sent him a couple packages there. 222 00:08:51,465 --> 00:08:54,368 And he confirmed the packages, told me what was in them. 223 00:08:54,434 --> 00:08:57,137 - Have you ever met or talked to anybody 224 00:08:57,204 --> 00:08:58,672 that's ever met him in person? 225 00:08:58,739 --> 00:09:00,240 - One. 226 00:09:00,307 --> 00:09:02,376 There was a girl that had been in the chat. 227 00:09:02,442 --> 00:09:03,744 Deedee. 228 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:05,345 He said she was the mother of his son. 229 00:09:05,412 --> 00:09:08,248 And that was his ex, but they stayed in the same house 230 00:09:08,315 --> 00:09:09,249 for their child. 231 00:09:09,316 --> 00:09:10,884 I became friends with her also. 232 00:09:10,951 --> 00:09:12,519 Even if he wasn't home, I'd call for him, 233 00:09:12,586 --> 00:09:14,988 me and her would talk for like an hour. 234 00:09:15,055 --> 00:09:16,757 - So it was...it was like a house phone? 235 00:09:16,823 --> 00:09:18,158 - Yeah. 236 00:09:18,225 --> 00:09:20,327 - So have you only ever had his landline? 237 00:09:20,394 --> 00:09:22,029 Or do you now have his cell phone? 238 00:09:22,095 --> 00:09:23,564 - No, I don't have his cell phone. 239 00:09:23,630 --> 00:09:25,966 We talk strictly through Messenger on Facebook. 240 00:09:26,033 --> 00:09:27,668 - When was the last time he messaged you? 241 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:29,803 - Uh, last night. 242 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:31,572 - Last night? Wow. - Yeah. 243 00:09:31,638 --> 00:09:33,574 - So he's had the same Facebook page for a while. 244 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,676 - Yeah. - You've seen a photo of him? 245 00:09:35,742 --> 00:09:38,512 - Yeah. These are pictures that he had sent me 246 00:09:38,579 --> 00:09:40,380 a while back, like, online. 247 00:09:40,447 --> 00:09:42,683 - Wait, let me see. - That's him at the top. 248 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:45,085 - Wow. Look at this guy. 249 00:09:45,152 --> 00:09:48,522 - And when he had sent them to me, he said, "Shh." 250 00:09:48,589 --> 00:09:50,858 I guess he didn't want me to show 'em anybody else. 251 00:09:50,924 --> 00:09:53,560 - Hmm. - And we'd never video chatted. 252 00:09:53,627 --> 00:09:55,729 There was always a reason it didn't work. 253 00:09:55,796 --> 00:09:56,997 He needed to get a webcam. 254 00:09:57,064 --> 00:09:58,632 There was this, there was that. 255 00:09:58,699 --> 00:10:00,701 And back then I figured, oh, you know, eventually, 256 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:01,902 we'll meet each other. 257 00:10:01,969 --> 00:10:03,670 Never dreamed it would go this long. 258 00:10:03,737 --> 00:10:08,575 - So what if, for these last 20 years, David has lied to you? 259 00:10:08,642 --> 00:10:11,011 What if he's not the guy in the pictures? 260 00:10:11,078 --> 00:10:13,013 What if he hasn't been honest with you? 261 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,984 - Well, of course, I would be upset with him. 262 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:18,652 It's still not a deal breaker. 263 00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:19,987 - Really? 264 00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:21,755 So you think you could still pursue 265 00:10:21,822 --> 00:10:23,457 a relationship with him? 266 00:10:23,524 --> 00:10:25,826 - I mean, when it mattered, when I really need someone, 267 00:10:25,893 --> 00:10:27,094 he's been there. 268 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,162 You know, people make mistakes. 269 00:10:29,229 --> 00:10:31,532 And if he's willing to make things right, 270 00:10:31,598 --> 00:10:33,667 there's still possibilities there. 271 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:35,135 It's been 20 years now. 272 00:10:35,202 --> 00:10:37,004 We need to get to the bottom of this. 273 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:40,541 I'm done playing the game and waiting. 274 00:10:40,607 --> 00:10:43,610 You know, it's not gonna be on David's terms anymore. 275 00:10:43,677 --> 00:10:45,379 It's going to be where I step up. 276 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:47,548 I'm ready to do something with my life. 277 00:10:47,614 --> 00:10:49,583 And if it's going to be with him, great. 278 00:10:49,650 --> 00:10:51,051 - Right. 279 00:10:51,118 --> 00:10:54,388 We're gonna need you to send us any info... 280 00:10:54,454 --> 00:10:55,589 - Okay. 281 00:10:55,656 --> 00:10:57,191 - You know, that you have on David. 282 00:10:57,257 --> 00:10:59,126 Tomorrow, we'll start digging and we'll just 283 00:10:59,193 --> 00:11:00,994 have to take it from there. - All right. 284 00:11:01,061 --> 00:11:02,095 - We got to make this happen. 285 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:03,630 - Yeah, we got to make this happen. 286 00:11:03,697 --> 00:11:07,568 Finally, after all these years, the time is now. 287 00:11:13,874 --> 00:11:15,843 - The Black Cat Café. - Oh! 288 00:11:15,909 --> 00:11:17,845 - They have ice cream and cats. - Wow. 289 00:11:17,911 --> 00:11:20,013 - You little sleepy kitty. 290 00:11:21,048 --> 00:11:21,982 - Cute. 291 00:11:22,049 --> 00:11:24,218 - All right, so what do we got? 292 00:11:24,284 --> 00:11:26,987 We got Motherwolff and David. 293 00:11:27,054 --> 00:11:30,991 For 20 years, they've been talking. 294 00:11:31,925 --> 00:11:35,095 For the first few years, they were like very serious 295 00:11:35,162 --> 00:11:36,463 and together. - Mm-hmm. 296 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:37,865 - But things happen. 297 00:11:37,931 --> 00:11:39,700 They lost touch, they get back in touch. 298 00:11:39,766 --> 00:11:41,702 Motherwolff believes that they are connected, 299 00:11:41,768 --> 00:11:44,238 and he feels and hears her. 300 00:11:44,304 --> 00:11:45,405 She needs him. 301 00:11:45,472 --> 00:11:47,107 He's always there. 302 00:11:47,174 --> 00:11:50,644 And they've really maintained a very meaningful relationship 303 00:11:50,711 --> 00:11:52,212 for most of those 20 years. 304 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:54,548 - Yeah, I mean, it seems like the last missing 305 00:11:54,615 --> 00:11:56,950 piece to her life right now is figuring this out. 306 00:11:57,017 --> 00:11:59,119 But I have a lot of questions about David. 307 00:11:59,186 --> 00:12:01,421 - For sure. All right, so you ready to dive in? 308 00:12:01,488 --> 00:12:02,990 - Hell yeah. 309 00:12:03,056 --> 00:12:05,359 - "Hey, guys, here's the details I know about David. 310 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:08,896 His name is David Derringer, and he lives in Orlando. 311 00:12:08,962 --> 00:12:10,998 The pictures I have are attached. 312 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:13,367 I no longer have any of the phone numbers for David. 313 00:12:13,433 --> 00:12:15,135 I have previously sent him gifts 314 00:12:15,202 --> 00:12:16,703 to an address in Orlando. 315 00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:18,405 Don't have the full address anymore. 316 00:12:18,472 --> 00:12:20,707 But I know it was on Stonebridge Drive 317 00:12:20,774 --> 00:12:21,942 in Orlando, Florida. 318 00:12:22,009 --> 00:12:24,545 His Facebook is David Derringer. 319 00:12:24,611 --> 00:12:26,446 I can't wait to hear what you find out. 320 00:12:26,513 --> 00:12:27,548 Thanks again. 321 00:12:27,614 --> 00:12:29,149 Aooooooo! 322 00:12:29,216 --> 00:12:30,484 Motherwolff." 323 00:12:30,551 --> 00:12:31,919 - I didn't know that's how you spelt a howl. 324 00:12:31,985 --> 00:12:33,754 That's smart. - Okay, so let's see. 325 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:35,122 We don't have a ton. 326 00:12:35,189 --> 00:12:36,657 Let's go to his Facebook page and just 327 00:12:36,723 --> 00:12:39,593 see what it looks like because she talked a lot about it. 328 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:42,996 All right, so there's a picture of a wolf. 329 00:12:43,063 --> 00:12:45,599 He lives in Orlando, 64 friends. 330 00:12:45,666 --> 00:12:48,302 Family, no relationships, no family details. 331 00:12:48,368 --> 00:12:49,870 Nothing. Yeah. 332 00:12:49,937 --> 00:12:53,140 Okay, so there's not a lot on here except for his friends. 333 00:12:53,207 --> 00:12:56,810 There's photos of David, and it's literally the night sky. 334 00:12:56,877 --> 00:12:59,179 So David's profile does not have a lot of information 335 00:12:59,246 --> 00:13:00,547 on it. 336 00:13:00,614 --> 00:13:02,249 I'd say this page looks pretty fake. 337 00:13:02,316 --> 00:13:04,284 So I think we should run the photos. 338 00:13:04,351 --> 00:13:08,121 Let's try a little facial recognition. 339 00:13:08,188 --> 00:13:11,225 Whoa, a lot of hits. 340 00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:12,926 Definitely the same guy. 341 00:13:12,993 --> 00:13:14,995 What is this website? 342 00:13:15,062 --> 00:13:15,996 Fubar? 343 00:13:16,063 --> 00:13:17,764 - sexyrexy. - Huh? 344 00:13:17,831 --> 00:13:20,334 - "sexyrexy's photos." - "sexyrexy's photos." 345 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,269 Yeah, it looks like most of the pictures 346 00:13:22,336 --> 00:13:23,804 are from this website. 347 00:13:23,871 --> 00:13:25,239 And some of these obviously she has not seen. 348 00:13:25,305 --> 00:13:26,907 Who's sexyrexy? 349 00:13:26,974 --> 00:13:29,710 From Lansing, Michigan. 350 00:13:29,776 --> 00:13:31,011 Interesting. 351 00:13:31,078 --> 00:13:33,347 No mention of Orlando though. 352 00:13:33,413 --> 00:13:36,183 I wonder if maybe David stole this guy's picture. 353 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:37,618 All right. 354 00:13:37,684 --> 00:13:39,152 So we found a hit with one of the photos. 355 00:13:39,219 --> 00:13:42,789 But it all points to this weird sort of online bar 356 00:13:42,856 --> 00:13:44,491 friend finder game. 357 00:13:44,558 --> 00:13:46,527 Doesn't tell us who he is though. 358 00:13:46,593 --> 00:13:47,961 Weird. 359 00:13:48,028 --> 00:13:50,397 So we don't know for sure who sexyrexy is. 360 00:13:50,464 --> 00:13:52,466 Let's just see if there's even a David Derringer 361 00:13:52,533 --> 00:13:54,968 who lives in Orlando. 362 00:13:55,035 --> 00:13:56,770 Oh. Okay. 363 00:13:56,837 --> 00:13:59,506 There is one David Derringer, 46, 364 00:13:59,573 --> 00:14:01,408 which is probably around the right age. 365 00:14:01,475 --> 00:14:02,910 Lives in Orlando. 366 00:14:02,976 --> 00:14:04,811 Stonebridge Drive. - Oh, yeah! 367 00:14:04,878 --> 00:14:06,213 - She was like, "I don't remember much. 368 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,715 But I remember he lived on Stonebridge Drive." 369 00:14:08,782 --> 00:14:11,218 - Yeah. - This is probably him. 370 00:14:11,285 --> 00:14:13,520 - That's good. - No phone numbers found, 371 00:14:13,587 --> 00:14:15,956 no email address or relatives. - That's not good. 372 00:14:16,023 --> 00:14:17,357 - There's nothing here about him. 373 00:14:17,424 --> 00:14:21,395 But it does confirm there is a David Derringer 374 00:14:21,461 --> 00:14:23,931 who's 46 in Florida. 375 00:14:23,997 --> 00:14:25,799 Okay, well, this is our first... 376 00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:28,101 - This is good. - Good piece of information. 377 00:14:28,168 --> 00:14:30,938 - And he's 46. - Yeah, the right age zone. 378 00:14:31,004 --> 00:14:32,272 Is this who she's talking to? It's gotta be 379 00:14:32,339 --> 00:14:33,640 who she's talking to. - It's the addresses, 380 00:14:33,707 --> 00:14:35,108 it's the name. - So maybe his name 381 00:14:35,175 --> 00:14:37,411 really is David, and he really does live In Florida. 382 00:14:37,477 --> 00:14:39,079 But the pictures of that other guy 383 00:14:39,146 --> 00:14:42,282 were definitely from Lansing, Michigan. 384 00:14:42,349 --> 00:14:43,951 - Yes. 385 00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:48,088 - I guess we could search David Derringer Orlando 386 00:14:48,155 --> 00:14:50,757 and see if there's any pictures or anything. 387 00:14:50,824 --> 00:14:52,626 Whoa, look at this. 388 00:14:52,693 --> 00:14:55,729 David Derringer, a real estate agent. 389 00:14:55,796 --> 00:14:57,564 - Maybe... - So this could be the guy 390 00:14:57,631 --> 00:14:59,066 Motherwolff's really talking to. 391 00:14:59,132 --> 00:15:01,134 - That would explain, to some extent why he's been 392 00:15:01,201 --> 00:15:02,803 so nervous to possibly meet up with her, 393 00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:05,305 'cause he's been sending pictures of someone else. 394 00:15:05,372 --> 00:15:06,940 This could be what he's been hiding all along. 395 00:15:13,814 --> 00:15:16,783 I mean, 20 years is a long time to lie to someone. 396 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:18,886 - I'd be upset for sure. 397 00:15:18,952 --> 00:15:20,521 - All right. 398 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:27,528 Aoooo! - Aoooo! 399 00:15:28,195 --> 00:15:29,897 - Hears us. 400 00:15:29,963 --> 00:15:31,965 - Oh, hi. - Hello. 401 00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:33,500 - Hey, yo. - What's up? 402 00:15:33,567 --> 00:15:34,568 - Come on in. 403 00:15:34,635 --> 00:15:37,137 - Okay, into the wolf den we go. 404 00:15:38,138 --> 00:15:40,374 - I'll let everybody settle in. 405 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,276 And how are you feeling just in general? 406 00:15:42,342 --> 00:15:44,611 - Butterflies. A little nervous. 407 00:15:44,678 --> 00:15:46,113 - All right, well, we're gonna take you through 408 00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:47,981 kind of what we found. - Okay. 409 00:15:48,048 --> 00:15:50,184 - Okay. 410 00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:52,553 So we took the photos that you sent us. 411 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:54,888 And the first one we searched on this website 412 00:15:54,955 --> 00:15:58,058 that sort of does like a facial recognition scan for-- 413 00:15:58,125 --> 00:16:00,494 - Yeah. - Came back with some hits. 414 00:16:03,297 --> 00:16:07,034 - These are some pictures that you haven't seen. 415 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,670 - Yeah, I haven't seen most of these. 416 00:16:09,736 --> 00:16:11,872 - This is a website called Fubar. 417 00:16:11,939 --> 00:16:15,409 It's like an online Internet bar where people mingle 418 00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:17,711 and meet each other. sexyrexy? 419 00:16:17,778 --> 00:16:20,314 Would that be a name he might give himself? 420 00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:22,583 - Maybe if he was being silly. - Okay. 421 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:25,319 So there's not a lot on this profile. 422 00:16:25,385 --> 00:16:27,354 The only thing that you can see, though, 423 00:16:27,421 --> 00:16:29,957 is that it says he's male and from Lansing, Michigan. 424 00:16:30,023 --> 00:16:33,994 He's never talked about being from or being in Michigan 425 00:16:34,061 --> 00:16:36,563 while you've known him, right? - No. 426 00:16:36,630 --> 00:16:38,265 - So it looks like the name of the guy in the pictures 427 00:16:38,332 --> 00:16:40,234 might be Rex or Rexy. 428 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:42,436 Here's where it gets interesting. 429 00:16:42,503 --> 00:16:46,206 When we did a search for David Derringer in Orlando, Florida, 430 00:16:46,273 --> 00:16:47,741 we got a hit. 431 00:16:47,808 --> 00:16:50,544 This guy comes up as living in Orlando. 432 00:16:50,611 --> 00:16:52,513 And look at this. 433 00:16:52,579 --> 00:16:54,114 - [gasps] 434 00:16:54,181 --> 00:16:56,083 That's the address. That was the street. 435 00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:57,818 - Stonebridge Drive, right. Which is what 436 00:16:57,885 --> 00:16:59,119 you had sent to us. - Yes. 437 00:16:59,186 --> 00:17:00,754 - I mean, you sent him stuff, he got it, right? 438 00:17:00,821 --> 00:17:02,155 - Right, yeah. 439 00:17:02,222 --> 00:17:03,624 - So, you know, there's someone there. 440 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:05,025 But the fact that his name is in fact David Derringer 441 00:17:05,092 --> 00:17:07,628 and his age is what you kind of assumed it was, 442 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:10,697 those are big things to sort of finally confirm. 443 00:17:10,764 --> 00:17:12,833 But we wanted to see if we could find out 444 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:14,635 what this guy looked like. 445 00:17:14,701 --> 00:17:18,038 A simple Google search for David Derringer in Orlando... 446 00:17:18,105 --> 00:17:19,706 - Mm-hmm. 447 00:17:19,773 --> 00:17:25,012 - Leads primarily to this real estate agent. 448 00:17:25,078 --> 00:17:26,446 The page is private. 449 00:17:26,513 --> 00:17:29,183 So there's not a lot on here but a picture. 450 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:33,453 - Wow. 451 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:38,625 - This could be the person who you're really talking to. 452 00:17:38,692 --> 00:17:41,361 [soft music] 453 00:17:41,428 --> 00:17:45,499 - I don't know what to think. I really don't. 454 00:17:48,702 --> 00:17:51,205 - ♪♪ Who ♪♪ 455 00:17:51,271 --> 00:17:55,075 ♪♪ Are you ♪♪ 456 00:17:55,142 --> 00:17:57,444 ♪♪ Who...♪♪ 457 00:17:57,511 --> 00:17:59,346 - Sometimes, I just think it's time to throw in the towel, 458 00:17:59,413 --> 00:18:02,983 you know, after all this time. 459 00:18:03,050 --> 00:18:06,119 - ♪♪ Who ♪♪ 460 00:18:06,186 --> 00:18:07,921 ♪♪ Are you ♪♪ 461 00:18:07,988 --> 00:18:10,757 - Why has someone got to hide that long? 462 00:18:10,824 --> 00:18:14,428 He says he would do anything, well, then it's time 463 00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:18,131 to [bleep] or get off the pot. 464 00:18:18,198 --> 00:18:20,434 Stand up and show yourself. 465 00:18:20,501 --> 00:18:24,805 - ♪♪ I thought I knew ♪♪ 466 00:18:24,872 --> 00:18:26,707 ♪♪ ♪♪ 467 00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:28,509 - So I think the move then obviously is 468 00:18:28,575 --> 00:18:30,644 that we have to contact him. - Yeah. 469 00:18:30,711 --> 00:18:32,980 - Now it seems the only way we can do that 470 00:18:33,046 --> 00:18:34,882 is through his Facebook page. 471 00:18:34,948 --> 00:18:37,150 - Yeah, 'cause he's on it. He said he never signs out. 472 00:18:37,217 --> 00:18:39,319 - Let's send him a message. Right. 473 00:18:39,386 --> 00:18:42,723 Hey, David. 474 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:44,925 My name is Nev, and I'm the host of the TV show "Catfish." 475 00:18:44,992 --> 00:18:46,827 I'm actually in Pennsylvania now with Motherwolff 476 00:18:46,894 --> 00:18:49,062 who has told me all about your incredible 477 00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:50,464 20-year-long friendship. 478 00:18:50,531 --> 00:18:52,599 I'd love to speak with you and help you two 479 00:18:52,666 --> 00:18:55,469 finally meet up in person after all these years. 480 00:18:55,536 --> 00:18:57,004 Please give me a call as soon as possible 481 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:58,805 so we can organize. Great. 482 00:18:58,872 --> 00:19:00,240 Send it. 483 00:19:00,307 --> 00:19:02,409 - Boom. 484 00:19:02,476 --> 00:19:03,744 - I almost feel like you...you should 485 00:19:03,810 --> 00:19:05,412 send him another message. - I can do that. 486 00:19:05,479 --> 00:19:07,915 Check your message requests. It's important. 487 00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:09,516 - Okay, that's fine. 488 00:19:09,583 --> 00:19:10,784 - He's on. - Oh, he's typing. 489 00:19:10,851 --> 00:19:12,486 He's typing. - He just saw it. 490 00:19:12,553 --> 00:19:15,122 [phone buzzes] [gasps] 491 00:19:15,189 --> 00:19:17,724 He's calling. - Oh, my God. 492 00:19:17,791 --> 00:19:20,060 - How do you have his...oh, he's calling on Facebook. 493 00:19:20,127 --> 00:19:21,061 Okay. Answer, answer. 494 00:19:21,128 --> 00:19:22,262 Put him on speaker. 495 00:19:22,329 --> 00:19:24,264 Put him on speaker. 496 00:19:24,331 --> 00:19:27,000 - Hey. - Hey. 497 00:19:27,067 --> 00:19:29,770 - Hey. 498 00:19:29,837 --> 00:19:32,072 - Um, hi. 499 00:19:32,139 --> 00:19:33,640 It's so good to hear your voice. 500 00:19:33,707 --> 00:19:36,610 I didn't expect you to call. 501 00:19:36,677 --> 00:19:42,015 Um, I'm sitting here with Nev and the crew from "Catfish." 502 00:19:42,082 --> 00:19:44,818 Um... 503 00:19:44,885 --> 00:19:49,656 They've offered to help us meet up with each other. 504 00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:06,673 - Well, we just seem to keep running into roadblocks 505 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:10,010 ourselves and just seemed like the way to do it. 506 00:20:10,077 --> 00:20:12,513 I mean, it's been 20 years now. 507 00:20:12,579 --> 00:20:14,314 I don't want it to just be something 508 00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:15,849 we talk about anymore. 509 00:20:15,916 --> 00:20:18,318 I want it to be something that we actually do. 510 00:20:24,925 --> 00:20:26,760 And... - I know. 511 00:20:34,635 --> 00:20:36,670 - Hey, David, hey, sorry. 512 00:20:36,737 --> 00:20:38,438 I'm just jumping in real quick. 513 00:20:38,505 --> 00:20:39,840 It's Nev here. 514 00:20:39,907 --> 00:20:42,142 You obviously know Motherwolff very well. 515 00:20:42,209 --> 00:20:45,712 And I'm sure in the 20 years that you guys have talked 516 00:20:45,779 --> 00:20:47,848 and that you've been there for her and you've connected, 517 00:20:47,915 --> 00:20:51,552 you've learned how incredible and supportive 518 00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:53,787 and accepting she is. 519 00:20:53,854 --> 00:20:55,956 Perhaps there is something that maybe she doesn't know 520 00:20:56,023 --> 00:20:58,625 or that you may have told her that wasn't true. 521 00:21:02,496 --> 00:21:03,931 - I totally get that. 522 00:21:03,997 --> 00:21:05,832 So just before we go, last thing-- 523 00:21:05,899 --> 00:21:08,335 you're in Orlando, Florida, right? 524 00:21:14,641 --> 00:21:16,777 - Wow. [Motherwolff sobbing] 525 00:21:21,882 --> 00:21:23,650 - Perhaps there is something that maybe she doesn't know 526 00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:26,086 or that you may have told her that wasn't true. 527 00:21:30,157 --> 00:21:31,658 - I totally get that. 528 00:21:31,725 --> 00:21:33,927 So just before we go, last thing--you're in Orlando, 529 00:21:33,994 --> 00:21:36,496 Florida, right? 530 00:21:42,402 --> 00:21:44,538 - Wow. 531 00:21:44,605 --> 00:21:47,808 [somber music] 532 00:21:47,875 --> 00:21:52,145 ♪♪ ♪♪ 533 00:21:52,212 --> 00:21:54,948 - I could tell he was angry when he hung up. 534 00:21:55,015 --> 00:21:58,051 Could hear in his voice. 535 00:21:58,118 --> 00:22:02,489 - ♪♪ I wish I could get over you ♪♪ 536 00:22:02,556 --> 00:22:05,225 ♪♪ And I hate that I can't ♪♪ 537 00:22:05,292 --> 00:22:08,562 - That's definitely the voice. 538 00:22:08,629 --> 00:22:11,365 - ♪♪ I'm still haunted by the ghost of you ♪♪ 539 00:22:11,431 --> 00:22:13,567 - I'm ready to take you down there, 540 00:22:13,634 --> 00:22:15,669 whether he calls us back or not. 541 00:22:17,771 --> 00:22:19,273 We know where he lives. 542 00:22:19,339 --> 00:22:22,009 I guess I can just message him now. 543 00:22:22,075 --> 00:22:23,777 Hey, David. We're gonna fly down 544 00:22:23,844 --> 00:22:25,112 to Orlando tomorrow morning 545 00:22:25,179 --> 00:22:27,080 in the hopes that you agree to meet up with us. 546 00:22:27,147 --> 00:22:29,583 Okay. Sent. 547 00:22:29,650 --> 00:22:32,052 We got some packing to do. We'll meet you at the airport 548 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,787 or we'll pick you up, whatever. 549 00:22:33,854 --> 00:22:35,289 We'll figure it out. - Okay. 550 00:22:35,355 --> 00:22:37,958 - We just have to get down there, force the issue. 551 00:22:38,025 --> 00:22:39,426 ♪♪ ♪♪ 552 00:22:39,493 --> 00:22:40,661 - There she is. 553 00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:41,962 - What's up? 554 00:22:42,029 --> 00:22:43,297 Good to see you. 555 00:22:43,363 --> 00:22:45,465 - Have you heard anything from David? 556 00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:48,202 - No. The day of reckoning. 557 00:22:49,269 --> 00:22:50,838 - All right. - This is wild. 558 00:22:50,904 --> 00:22:52,005 - Really ridin' in style. 559 00:22:53,707 --> 00:22:55,309 - ♪♪ I never needed you ♪♪ 560 00:22:55,375 --> 00:22:57,578 ♪♪ In all this time ♪♪ 561 00:22:57,644 --> 00:23:01,081 - ♪♪ I never loved you in all this time ♪♪ 562 00:23:01,148 --> 00:23:04,184 ♪♪ I never needed you at all ♪♪ 563 00:23:04,251 --> 00:23:05,919 ♪♪ ♪♪ 564 00:23:05,986 --> 00:23:07,654 - We made it. 565 00:23:10,457 --> 00:23:12,125 I mean, we have his address. 566 00:23:12,192 --> 00:23:13,560 Shall we do a little knock, knock? 567 00:23:13,627 --> 00:23:15,395 The only reason I even suggest that is because 568 00:23:15,462 --> 00:23:17,331 you've been waiting 20 years. - Yeah. 569 00:23:17,397 --> 00:23:19,366 - So I say we just go and check it out. 570 00:23:19,433 --> 00:23:20,801 - I agree. 571 00:23:20,868 --> 00:23:22,536 - Here, Dylan, why don't you send a quick message? 572 00:23:22,603 --> 00:23:24,638 - Just want to give you a heads up. 573 00:23:24,705 --> 00:23:27,174 We have an address that we think is yours. 574 00:23:27,241 --> 00:23:30,010 We're going to stop by and hopefully we can meet. 575 00:23:34,081 --> 00:23:35,849 - He just saw my messages. - Oh, yeah? 576 00:23:35,916 --> 00:23:38,685 - And told him, I said, "I don't have any expectations 577 00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:41,388 for you except to finally see you and not 578 00:23:41,455 --> 00:23:43,056 just a name on the screen." 579 00:23:43,123 --> 00:23:46,660 Hasn't said anything, but he's seen it. 580 00:23:46,727 --> 00:23:49,630 [tense music] 581 00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:54,935 ♪♪ ♪♪ 582 00:23:55,002 --> 00:23:56,637 - It's just down this road. 583 00:23:56,703 --> 00:24:00,107 [Nev and Motherwolff talking under breath] 584 00:24:00,174 --> 00:24:01,542 - Well, there it is. 585 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:05,045 [tense music] 586 00:24:05,112 --> 00:24:08,081 - All right, well, hopefully, he's in there. 587 00:24:09,716 --> 00:24:10,918 How are you feeling? 588 00:24:10,984 --> 00:24:12,986 - Whew. 589 00:24:13,053 --> 00:24:14,788 Shaking like a leaf right now. 590 00:24:14,855 --> 00:24:17,491 - Yeah. We don't know what to expect. 591 00:24:17,558 --> 00:24:18,892 - Yeah. - We've seen all kinds of 592 00:24:18,959 --> 00:24:20,661 weird things happen. It could be that real estate 593 00:24:20,727 --> 00:24:23,096 agent whose photos we found. Expect anything. 594 00:24:23,163 --> 00:24:24,898 - Whew... 595 00:24:24,965 --> 00:24:26,466 - Let's do it. 596 00:24:32,673 --> 00:24:35,175 - Just hang here and I'll knock. 597 00:24:35,242 --> 00:24:38,712 [suspenseful music] 598 00:24:38,779 --> 00:24:40,247 ♪♪ ♪♪ 599 00:24:40,314 --> 00:24:42,683 - No matter what happens, we're here with you. 600 00:24:42,749 --> 00:24:49,690 ♪♪ ♪♪ 601 00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:51,191 - Come on, David. 602 00:24:52,459 --> 00:24:54,561 There's a light on, but... 603 00:24:54,628 --> 00:24:56,430 Oh! Jesus. 604 00:24:58,031 --> 00:24:59,499 - Hello. 605 00:24:59,566 --> 00:25:01,134 - Oh, my God. 606 00:25:06,473 --> 00:25:08,675 - I mean, I...there's a light on, but... 607 00:25:08,742 --> 00:25:11,645 [suspenseful music] 608 00:25:11,712 --> 00:25:14,715 ♪♪ ♪♪ 609 00:25:14,781 --> 00:25:16,650 Oh! Jesus. 610 00:25:20,287 --> 00:25:22,022 Hello. 611 00:25:22,089 --> 00:25:23,390 - Hey. 612 00:25:23,457 --> 00:25:24,791 - Hi. 613 00:25:24,858 --> 00:25:26,593 How you doing? - I'm all right. 614 00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:28,529 - Nev. - David. 615 00:25:28,595 --> 00:25:30,797 - David. All right. Nice to meet you. 616 00:25:31,665 --> 00:25:37,271 [quiet music] 617 00:25:37,337 --> 00:25:38,272 - Hi. 618 00:25:38,338 --> 00:25:39,773 - Hey. 619 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,145 - This is June, or Motherwolff, as you know her. 620 00:25:45,212 --> 00:25:47,514 - So how are you? 621 00:25:47,581 --> 00:25:50,217 - I'm good. How are you? 622 00:25:50,284 --> 00:25:52,319 - I'm good. 623 00:25:52,386 --> 00:25:58,625 ♪♪ ♪♪ 624 00:25:58,692 --> 00:26:01,061 I don't know what to say. I'm so... 625 00:26:01,128 --> 00:26:04,331 This has been a long time coming. 626 00:26:04,398 --> 00:26:07,668 But I'm here, so... 627 00:26:07,734 --> 00:26:10,337 - Well, you look really nice. 628 00:26:10,404 --> 00:26:12,306 - Thank you. - Yeah. 629 00:26:12,372 --> 00:26:15,375 - You don't look so bad yourself...ha ha. 630 00:26:19,913 --> 00:26:24,384 - You guys mind if we just jump in for a minute? 631 00:26:24,451 --> 00:26:26,220 - Yeah, go right ahead. 632 00:26:26,286 --> 00:26:29,389 - Clearly, you're not the person in the photos 633 00:26:29,456 --> 00:26:30,524 that you sent. 634 00:26:30,591 --> 00:26:33,026 Right? - Yeah, yeah, I know. 635 00:26:33,093 --> 00:26:37,865 - Is that essentially what's been keeping you... 636 00:26:37,931 --> 00:26:40,767 from showing your true self all these years 637 00:26:40,834 --> 00:26:42,302 and meeting up? 638 00:26:42,369 --> 00:26:43,837 - Yeah, I guess so. 639 00:26:43,904 --> 00:26:45,939 - And it's been you and only you talking 640 00:26:46,006 --> 00:26:47,174 to her this whole time, right? 641 00:26:47,241 --> 00:26:48,509 - Yeah. 642 00:26:48,575 --> 00:26:51,678 - Well, now that the "cat's out of the bag," 643 00:26:51,745 --> 00:26:56,049 do you feel more comfortable with the idea of us finally 644 00:26:56,116 --> 00:26:57,885 bringing you two together? 645 00:26:57,951 --> 00:27:02,089 - I mean, I'm glad you're here, you know? 646 00:27:02,155 --> 00:27:05,459 I've always wanted to, like, meet up with you, 647 00:27:05,526 --> 00:27:06,927 all right? - Mm-hmm. 648 00:27:06,994 --> 00:27:08,529 - 'Cause you know you always have my heart. 649 00:27:08,595 --> 00:27:10,731 - Yeah, same here. - Yeah. 650 00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:13,233 - Why have you been so elusive? 651 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,869 I mean, you're not the person in the photos. 652 00:27:15,936 --> 00:27:18,472 But surely, you have a phone, right? 653 00:27:18,539 --> 00:27:22,009 - Um, I really don't use my phone like that. 654 00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:25,512 - Forgive me for asking some kind of 655 00:27:25,579 --> 00:27:27,548 standard questions here. 656 00:27:27,614 --> 00:27:29,616 But are you in a relationship? 657 00:27:29,683 --> 00:27:32,152 - No, no. - Okay. 658 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,155 Well, I guess the question I have is, 659 00:27:35,222 --> 00:27:38,192 I understand, years and years ago, 660 00:27:38,258 --> 00:27:40,260 you sent her a picture that wasn't you. 661 00:27:40,327 --> 00:27:41,995 - Yeah. - But has there been 662 00:27:42,062 --> 00:27:44,898 any other meaningful information 663 00:27:44,965 --> 00:27:47,267 that you feel you were keeping from her 664 00:27:47,334 --> 00:27:48,936 or that you never shared with her? 665 00:27:49,002 --> 00:27:51,104 That you lied about? 666 00:27:51,171 --> 00:27:52,272 - Um... 667 00:27:52,339 --> 00:27:54,975 - June, would you prefer a seat? 668 00:27:55,943 --> 00:27:57,811 - I mean, there's a lot. 669 00:27:57,878 --> 00:28:01,782 [heavy music] 670 00:28:01,849 --> 00:28:06,553 Before I tell you, just... 671 00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:09,590 just know that everything I said was...was the truth, 672 00:28:09,656 --> 00:28:10,791 okay? - Okay. 673 00:28:10,858 --> 00:28:12,593 - Always, always love you. 674 00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:13,727 [music escalates] 675 00:28:13,794 --> 00:28:15,996 But... 676 00:28:16,964 --> 00:28:18,131 - Okay. 677 00:28:18,198 --> 00:28:21,235 - David was someone I just made up. 678 00:28:22,503 --> 00:28:24,204 But when... 679 00:28:24,271 --> 00:28:28,041 when I am David, I mean every word I say. 680 00:28:28,108 --> 00:28:31,512 Actually, I'm Denise... 681 00:28:31,578 --> 00:28:33,514 [in a woman's voice] And I just basically 682 00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:36,149 roleplay David. 683 00:28:36,216 --> 00:28:39,319 [soft, dramatic music] 684 00:28:39,386 --> 00:28:43,023 ♪♪ ♪♪ 685 00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:44,892 - Okay, so let me get this straight. 686 00:28:44,958 --> 00:28:49,730 So in all of your conversations and communication with June, 687 00:28:49,796 --> 00:28:52,366 you were playing the David character. 688 00:28:52,432 --> 00:28:53,934 - Yeah. 689 00:28:56,203 --> 00:29:00,741 - So in your day-to-day life, people know you as Denise? 690 00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:02,142 - Yeah. 691 00:29:02,209 --> 00:29:05,078 But let me tell you something. 692 00:29:05,145 --> 00:29:07,681 David loves June 100%. 693 00:29:07,748 --> 00:29:11,718 And when I'm portraying David, 694 00:29:11,785 --> 00:29:13,887 okay, I become David. 695 00:29:13,954 --> 00:29:15,155 - I know. 696 00:29:15,222 --> 00:29:16,790 - So when I play David... 697 00:29:16,857 --> 00:29:18,926 [in a man's voice] He loves you. 698 00:29:18,992 --> 00:29:20,928 Okay? 699 00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:26,433 - So then, as Denise, do you have any interest 700 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,335 in a relationship with Motherwolff? 701 00:29:28,402 --> 00:29:31,972 Or is that exclusive to your character of David? 702 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:33,507 - It's just with David. 703 00:29:33,574 --> 00:29:36,076 - So in your in your day-to-day life as Denise, 704 00:29:36,143 --> 00:29:38,579 you don't imagine your friendship and relationship? 705 00:29:38,645 --> 00:29:39,780 - No. - No. 706 00:29:39,847 --> 00:29:40,948 Okay. 707 00:29:41,014 --> 00:29:42,983 I mean, it's definitely weird. 708 00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:45,719 This is a first for us that someone would be 709 00:29:45,786 --> 00:29:48,655 talking to someone who has 710 00:29:48,722 --> 00:29:51,158 essentially sort of two versions of themself. 711 00:29:51,225 --> 00:29:52,459 - Right. 712 00:29:52,526 --> 00:29:55,162 Because when I play David, I become David. 713 00:29:57,464 --> 00:29:59,199 [in a woman's voice] And then when I'm Denise, 714 00:29:59,266 --> 00:30:02,870 then I'm totally completely opposite. 715 00:30:02,936 --> 00:30:04,905 You know, when I'm with Denise, 716 00:30:04,972 --> 00:30:07,174 I don't like women, I don't--I dress-- 717 00:30:07,241 --> 00:30:08,876 I do not dress like this. 718 00:30:08,942 --> 00:30:10,577 - Got it. 719 00:30:10,644 --> 00:30:12,613 [in a man's voice] - Only David does. 720 00:30:12,679 --> 00:30:14,448 [in a woman's voice] And Dave's a good guy. 721 00:30:14,515 --> 00:30:16,984 He really is. - Yeah, yeah, he definitely is. 722 00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:18,218 - He's a good guy, and he loves you. 723 00:30:18,285 --> 00:30:19,720 - Definitely is. - He completely loves you. 724 00:30:19,786 --> 00:30:21,421 - Well, Dave may be a good guy, 725 00:30:21,488 --> 00:30:22,556 and I believe that, 726 00:30:22,623 --> 00:30:25,959 But he's been not totally honest 727 00:30:26,026 --> 00:30:29,763 and sort of led her on for a long time. 728 00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:30,931 - Right. 729 00:30:30,998 --> 00:30:32,266 - Well, here's a weird question. 730 00:30:32,332 --> 00:30:33,534 - Yeah. 731 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,369 - As David, you are attracted to women. 732 00:30:35,435 --> 00:30:36,770 - Yeah. 733 00:30:36,837 --> 00:30:39,573 - And when you're David, and you're talking to June, 734 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,008 do you feel a sexual desire? 735 00:30:41,074 --> 00:30:42,809 - Yeah, as Dave. 736 00:30:42,876 --> 00:30:46,613 - So is there any interest from David 737 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,785 to pursue any kind of romantic relationship with June? 738 00:30:51,852 --> 00:30:53,287 - Of course. 739 00:30:53,353 --> 00:30:55,656 - Oh, there is. Okay. - 20 years in the making. 740 00:30:55,722 --> 00:30:56,690 Yeah. - Yeah. 741 00:30:56,757 --> 00:30:57,891 - You know? 742 00:30:57,958 --> 00:31:00,327 I mean, look at her, she's beautiful. 743 00:31:00,394 --> 00:31:05,232 - Okay, well, obviously, June, though, taking this all 744 00:31:05,299 --> 00:31:07,267 like a champ... - Yeah. 745 00:31:07,334 --> 00:31:10,804 - I'm sure must be feeling a lot of things. 746 00:31:10,871 --> 00:31:12,072 I know I am. 747 00:31:12,139 --> 00:31:13,307 But it's been a long day of travel. 748 00:31:13,373 --> 00:31:14,374 - Mm-hmm. 749 00:31:14,441 --> 00:31:16,043 - This is just a lot to take in. 750 00:31:16,109 --> 00:31:17,411 - Mm-hmm. - So I think that now 751 00:31:17,477 --> 00:31:19,146 that the secrets are out in the open, 752 00:31:19,213 --> 00:31:22,249 why don't we plan on meeting back up tomorrow 753 00:31:22,316 --> 00:31:25,118 so you guys can talk more and finally kinda... 754 00:31:25,185 --> 00:31:26,787 - All right. That sounds like a plan. 755 00:31:26,854 --> 00:31:28,689 - Yeah. - Yeah, I'd like that. 756 00:31:28,755 --> 00:31:30,190 - Yeah, I'd like that too. 757 00:31:30,257 --> 00:31:32,826 - No matter what happens with you guys, going forward, 758 00:31:32,893 --> 00:31:34,761 honesty and communication is always 759 00:31:34,828 --> 00:31:36,163 the most important thing. 760 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:40,167 - Okay, well, lovely meeting both of you. 761 00:31:40,234 --> 00:31:41,702 - Nice meeting you too. 762 00:31:41,768 --> 00:31:42,870 - Yes. 763 00:31:42,936 --> 00:31:43,871 - It's real nice to meet you, David. 764 00:31:43,937 --> 00:31:45,138 - Nice to meet you too. 765 00:31:45,205 --> 00:31:46,773 - I'm glad you guys got to meet up. 766 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,275 - All right. 767 00:31:49,843 --> 00:31:51,778 - Well, I didn't see that coming. 768 00:31:51,845 --> 00:31:53,747 - What are we to make of all that? 769 00:31:53,814 --> 00:31:57,217 - I mean, the Denise thing, that...that's shocking. 770 00:31:57,284 --> 00:31:58,919 - What do you think this means, like, 771 00:31:58,986 --> 00:32:00,487 romantically for you guys? 772 00:32:00,554 --> 00:32:02,523 - Physically, do you find David attractive? 773 00:32:04,958 --> 00:32:07,027 - Male persona, female persona. 774 00:32:07,094 --> 00:32:08,328 That doesn't bother me. 775 00:32:08,395 --> 00:32:11,431 But with Denise not being into girls, 776 00:32:11,498 --> 00:32:13,133 that's going to keep it on... 777 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,868 - Right. - The downside with that. 778 00:32:14,935 --> 00:32:19,039 - Sounds like Denise is the primary personality 779 00:32:19,106 --> 00:32:21,775 and David is a secondary. 780 00:32:21,842 --> 00:32:24,444 Does that mean that there's enough David for you 781 00:32:24,511 --> 00:32:26,346 to have a relationship with? You know what I mean? 782 00:32:26,413 --> 00:32:28,315 Like, are you willing to have a relationship 783 00:32:28,382 --> 00:32:32,119 with part of someone 784 00:32:32,186 --> 00:32:33,887 but not the whole someone? 785 00:32:33,954 --> 00:32:35,455 - Exactly. 786 00:32:35,522 --> 00:32:38,192 I got a lot to run through my head tonight. 787 00:32:43,564 --> 00:32:44,765 - Hello. - Good morning. 788 00:32:44,831 --> 00:32:47,000 - Good morning. - Join me on the couch. 789 00:32:47,067 --> 00:32:48,035 - Sounds good. 790 00:32:52,306 --> 00:32:53,640 My mind's going all night. 791 00:32:53,707 --> 00:32:56,810 So there's a lot of unanswered questions I have. 792 00:32:56,877 --> 00:32:59,179 Yesterday, I just didn't want to react. 793 00:32:59,246 --> 00:33:03,417 I'd rather stop, think, and then take action. 794 00:33:03,483 --> 00:33:07,354 And I have a couple ideas of things I want to ask. 795 00:33:07,421 --> 00:33:12,693 One of them is, who's most dominant, Denise or David? 796 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,329 And I want to know what Denise thinks of me 797 00:33:15,395 --> 00:33:17,431 on a personal level, 'cause I've obviously 798 00:33:17,497 --> 00:33:19,099 been around 20 years. 799 00:33:19,166 --> 00:33:20,701 - All right, well, it sounds like you've got a lot to say. 800 00:33:20,767 --> 00:33:22,202 - Yeah. - All right. 801 00:33:22,269 --> 00:33:24,638 - Let's rock and roll. - Let's do it. 802 00:33:25,639 --> 00:33:30,143 - I just feel like there's some other surprise waiting. 803 00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:32,279 - Okay. - Well, here we go. 804 00:33:32,346 --> 00:33:33,680 - Let's do it. 805 00:33:38,051 --> 00:33:39,753 - [female voice] Hi. - Hi. 806 00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:41,688 - Come on in. - All right. 807 00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:45,292 - Is this Denise? - Yeah. 808 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,194 - Nice to see you again. - Nice to see you again. 809 00:33:47,261 --> 00:33:50,898 - Good to see you. - Ah, all right. 810 00:33:50,964 --> 00:33:52,566 How's everyone feeling? 811 00:33:52,633 --> 00:33:54,168 - All right. 812 00:33:54,234 --> 00:33:56,003 - I love the hair. - Thank you. 813 00:33:56,069 --> 00:33:57,905 - This is generally the vibe with Denise? 814 00:33:57,971 --> 00:34:02,409 - Mm-hmm. - Well, got a lot of questions. 815 00:34:02,476 --> 00:34:04,678 But I just want to make sure that I'm clear on everything 816 00:34:04,745 --> 00:34:06,146 that you told us yesterday. 817 00:34:06,213 --> 00:34:09,216 When you think about yourself as Denise, 818 00:34:09,283 --> 00:34:11,885 that is who you are. - Right. That's who I am. 819 00:34:11,952 --> 00:34:14,154 - That's your authentic true self? 820 00:34:14,221 --> 00:34:15,155 - Right. 821 00:34:15,222 --> 00:34:16,623 - When you think about David, 822 00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:17,958 so you think of David as a character 823 00:34:18,025 --> 00:34:19,459 that you created that represents 824 00:34:19,526 --> 00:34:21,862 perhaps some of your feelings and interests? 825 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:24,331 - I mean, David is a character all his own. 826 00:34:24,398 --> 00:34:27,467 I mean, when...it's like playing a part in a movie. 827 00:34:27,534 --> 00:34:30,270 You become the person that you're portraying. 828 00:34:30,337 --> 00:34:34,575 So when I roleplay as being David, I became David. 829 00:34:34,641 --> 00:34:40,681 - Sure, but when you're David, do you love June and as David 830 00:34:40,747 --> 00:34:44,418 or do you feel that across Denise? 831 00:34:44,484 --> 00:34:49,022 - As Denise, I'm not attracted to women at all. 832 00:34:49,089 --> 00:34:51,058 - Okay, while we're clearing things up, 833 00:34:51,124 --> 00:34:54,194 there is a David who lives at this address. 834 00:34:54,261 --> 00:34:56,830 And so we were wondering, did you register at this address 835 00:34:56,897 --> 00:34:59,433 to David in the past? - Yes. 836 00:34:59,499 --> 00:35:02,002 - And when you started portraying David, when you 837 00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:04,338 came up with the idea for the character of David, 838 00:35:04,404 --> 00:35:07,808 what was kind of your beginning interest in doing that? 839 00:35:07,875 --> 00:35:09,243 What was the draw? 840 00:35:09,309 --> 00:35:13,046 - Well, I started as, um, the AOL chat rooms, 841 00:35:13,113 --> 00:35:15,082 and you're pretty much anonymous, 842 00:35:15,148 --> 00:35:17,885 but I kept getting, like, instant messages from all 843 00:35:17,951 --> 00:35:20,721 these men that wanted, like, pictures 844 00:35:20,787 --> 00:35:22,322 and they wanted to send me pictures. 845 00:35:22,389 --> 00:35:23,891 And that's not what I wanted to do. 846 00:35:23,957 --> 00:35:29,730 So I put as my ASL, male, and those instant 847 00:35:29,796 --> 00:35:31,798 messages stopped. 848 00:35:31,865 --> 00:35:33,834 - Right. - That's how David was born. 849 00:35:33,901 --> 00:35:36,270 And that's why I created him. 850 00:35:36,336 --> 00:35:40,440 - And so you didn't create the character because you were 851 00:35:40,507 --> 00:35:42,209 looking to roleplay as a man? 852 00:35:42,276 --> 00:35:43,844 - Right. 853 00:35:43,911 --> 00:35:46,280 - You weren't trying to explore gender fluidity for yourself? 854 00:35:46,346 --> 00:35:47,614 - Exactly. 855 00:35:47,681 --> 00:35:51,919 My gender identity as Denise is I'm female. 856 00:35:51,985 --> 00:35:53,320 And I like men. 857 00:35:53,387 --> 00:35:55,222 - And so what does that mean for David? 858 00:35:55,289 --> 00:35:57,891 - I don't know. - Is David dying off? 859 00:35:57,958 --> 00:36:02,729 - I mean, I don't see the sense in keeping him. 860 00:36:02,796 --> 00:36:04,998 - What about June? 861 00:36:05,065 --> 00:36:07,801 I mean, yesterday, you know, you were saying 862 00:36:07,868 --> 00:36:09,403 that David loves...I mean... 863 00:36:09,469 --> 00:36:11,338 - I mean, that... that part is true. 864 00:36:11,405 --> 00:36:14,041 David loves June. Always has. 865 00:36:14,107 --> 00:36:16,543 - But not enough to keep David forever. 866 00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:19,046 - I wouldn't want that anyways. 867 00:36:19,112 --> 00:36:22,316 If it's not real, I don't want it. 868 00:36:25,052 --> 00:36:28,088 Even though I know David was made up, 869 00:36:28,155 --> 00:36:30,991 it's like losing a friend of 20 years, 870 00:36:31,058 --> 00:36:33,594 that even though it's not a real person, 871 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:38,365 it feels like it is, you know? 872 00:36:38,432 --> 00:36:41,969 Bigger part of me wants to say thank you for the support 873 00:36:42,035 --> 00:36:43,504 over the years. 874 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:46,406 The other part says, "I'll see you in hell." 875 00:36:46,473 --> 00:36:49,109 - I mean, I am sorry. 876 00:36:49,176 --> 00:36:53,814 I mean, it was...it was never my intention to hurt you. 877 00:36:53,881 --> 00:36:56,149 - Whoops. 878 00:36:58,819 --> 00:37:00,187 - I don't think that... 879 00:37:00,254 --> 00:37:03,156 I don't think that's a good enough apology. 880 00:37:03,223 --> 00:37:06,226 - Why didn't he just let me go? 881 00:37:06,293 --> 00:37:08,495 Why didn't he just let me go? 882 00:37:11,231 --> 00:37:14,868 - Do you ever feel like you're a character 883 00:37:14,935 --> 00:37:16,370 that you've created? 884 00:37:16,436 --> 00:37:18,805 - I know...I mean, I know who I am. 885 00:37:18,872 --> 00:37:21,241 And I'm aware that, you know, all 886 00:37:21,308 --> 00:37:23,177 these characters that I will play, 887 00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:25,045 I know that they're all made up. 888 00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:26,680 I create them all. 889 00:37:26,747 --> 00:37:28,115 - Characters, plural? 890 00:37:28,182 --> 00:37:30,717 So you've been other people besides David? 891 00:37:30,784 --> 00:37:35,289 - So, um, I wasn't really honest about something. 892 00:37:37,791 --> 00:37:41,662 With Deedee, um... 893 00:37:41,728 --> 00:37:44,264 I created her. 894 00:37:44,331 --> 00:37:47,601 And when you spoke on the phone, that was also me. 895 00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:51,171 None of that was true. 896 00:37:51,238 --> 00:37:54,208 - This voice change, it seriously sounded like 897 00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:56,443 two different people. 898 00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:59,146 - Well, that's 20 years of, you know... 899 00:37:59,213 --> 00:38:02,082 - Yeah. Of practice. [sniffles] 900 00:38:02,149 --> 00:38:05,018 - Are there any other characters or... 901 00:38:05,085 --> 00:38:08,922 - I mean, over the years, I've created so many characters, 902 00:38:08,989 --> 00:38:10,390 not just David. 903 00:38:10,457 --> 00:38:14,828 But there was, um, Leo, and Simon, and Gavin, 904 00:38:14,895 --> 00:38:17,064 and Denise, and Markese... 905 00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:18,532 - Wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second. 906 00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,435 Are you saying that Denise, who we are talking to 907 00:38:21,502 --> 00:38:25,572 is a character? You are in a role right now? 908 00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:26,840 - Right. 909 00:38:26,907 --> 00:38:29,843 - So your legal name is not Denise. 910 00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:31,278 - Right. 911 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,415 - So then what is your name? 912 00:38:35,482 --> 00:38:37,885 - That's, uh... - Okay, that's fine. 913 00:38:37,951 --> 00:38:40,153 You don't have to say anything, but I'm...I'm putting 914 00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:41,421 it out there, just for your sake. 915 00:38:41,488 --> 00:38:43,557 I just want to make sure you know 916 00:38:43,624 --> 00:38:46,994 that Denise is also a roleplay character 917 00:38:47,060 --> 00:38:51,532 of whoever's underneath Denise. 918 00:38:53,867 --> 00:38:56,136 - Whew. [bleep]. 919 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,775 - Sorry. I'm having a... 920 00:39:01,842 --> 00:39:03,911 hard time right now. 921 00:39:03,977 --> 00:39:06,446 June just poured her heart out, 922 00:39:06,513 --> 00:39:09,650 explaining how devastating this experience has been 923 00:39:09,716 --> 00:39:13,654 to find out that David hasn't been real this whole time. 924 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,157 This is 20 years of an adult relationship with a woman 925 00:39:17,224 --> 00:39:18,392 who has been nothing but... - Wow. 926 00:39:18,458 --> 00:39:21,295 - Nice and kind to you, 927 00:39:21,361 --> 00:39:22,796 and she went to all this trouble 928 00:39:22,863 --> 00:39:24,198 to come down here to get the truth 929 00:39:24,264 --> 00:39:26,767 and you've told her almost nothing true 930 00:39:26,834 --> 00:39:30,070 because you've been talking to us as Denise. 931 00:39:33,173 --> 00:39:36,543 Well, it sounds to me like this is it. 932 00:39:36,610 --> 00:39:38,111 - Yeah. An ending of the chapter 933 00:39:38,178 --> 00:39:39,546 and closing a book. - Yes. 934 00:39:39,613 --> 00:39:41,682 - Right. - Okay. 935 00:39:41,748 --> 00:39:44,985 ["Wicked Love" by Naomi August playing] 936 00:39:45,052 --> 00:39:46,820 - You take care. 937 00:39:46,887 --> 00:39:49,056 - ♪♪ And I despise ♪♪ 938 00:39:49,122 --> 00:39:52,159 ♪♪ Your wicked love ♪♪ 939 00:39:52,226 --> 00:39:53,861 - How you doing? 940 00:39:53,927 --> 00:39:55,162 - Feel empty. 941 00:39:55,229 --> 00:39:57,397 You know, it really sucks. 942 00:39:57,464 --> 00:40:00,267 I'm hollow inside right now. 943 00:40:00,334 --> 00:40:03,303 - Everything that you did came from a place of love. 944 00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:05,239 You didn't do anything wrong. 945 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,942 - Thank you for that. 946 00:40:09,009 --> 00:40:12,112 Well, whoever she is, may she find peace within herself. 947 00:40:12,179 --> 00:40:15,148 - ♪♪ Your ♪♪ 948 00:40:15,215 --> 00:40:17,951 ♪♪ Your wicked love ♪♪ 949 00:40:18,018 --> 00:40:19,152 - Hey. - Hi. 950 00:40:19,219 --> 00:40:20,420 - How you doing? - Hey, yo. 951 00:40:20,487 --> 00:40:22,456 - What's been going on since we filmed? 952 00:40:22,523 --> 00:40:25,626 Have you and David been in touch? 953 00:40:25,692 --> 00:40:27,528 - Yes. - Ah. 954 00:40:27,594 --> 00:40:30,397 And...and you're in touch with David not Denise? 955 00:40:30,464 --> 00:40:32,533 - Right. When I left there, 956 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,469 I had a lot of things I had to process, and I went to bed. 957 00:40:35,536 --> 00:40:38,005 And when I woke up in the morning, got a phone call. 958 00:40:38,071 --> 00:40:40,140 - Wow. 959 00:40:40,207 --> 00:40:42,276 - So we talked--we talked for quite a while. 960 00:40:42,342 --> 00:40:45,946 And he told me that when he saw me walk out that door, 961 00:40:46,013 --> 00:40:47,681 it was too much to take. 962 00:40:47,748 --> 00:40:51,251 And we've been talking every day since. 963 00:40:51,318 --> 00:40:52,586 - I'm just confused. 964 00:40:52,653 --> 00:40:54,655 The last thing I remember "David" saying 965 00:40:54,721 --> 00:40:58,058 was that he sort of was done with the David character. 966 00:40:58,125 --> 00:41:00,928 - Now, you know, he says he's David foremost, 967 00:41:00,994 --> 00:41:04,097 there's a lot that we are working on together. 968 00:41:04,164 --> 00:41:06,466 Things don't progress as we discuss it, 969 00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:09,436 then well, you know, I know right where the door is. 970 00:41:09,503 --> 00:41:11,271 - I'm excited. But I'm also a little wary. 971 00:41:11,338 --> 00:41:14,074 But you seem like you're at a good sort of place 972 00:41:14,141 --> 00:41:16,977 with all of this, and you know what you're getting yourself 973 00:41:17,044 --> 00:41:18,378 into now moving forward. - Exactly. 974 00:41:18,445 --> 00:41:19,513 - Good luck with everything and hope things 975 00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:20,848 work out the way you want them to. 976 00:41:20,914 --> 00:41:23,450 - Yes. It was a real pleasure meeting you guys. 977 00:41:23,517 --> 00:41:24,518 - Yeah. - We'll talk soon. 978 00:41:24,585 --> 00:41:25,786 - All right. - Good luck. 979 00:41:25,853 --> 00:41:26,920 - All right. - Bye. 980 00:41:26,987 --> 00:41:27,955 - Hey. - Hey, David. 981 00:41:28,021 --> 00:41:29,289 Good to see you. 982 00:41:29,356 --> 00:41:30,524 - Yeah, good seeing you too. 983 00:41:30,591 --> 00:41:32,092 - We just got off with Motherwolff 984 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:34,428 and heard some unexpected but, I think, 985 00:41:34,494 --> 00:41:36,029 good news about you guys. 986 00:41:36,096 --> 00:41:38,198 - Yeah, well, we started talking. 987 00:41:38,265 --> 00:41:40,067 And we are officially a couple now, 988 00:41:40,133 --> 00:41:41,902 online as well as offline. 989 00:41:41,969 --> 00:41:43,437 - Whoa. Okay. 990 00:41:43,504 --> 00:41:45,572 So does that mean that you plan on becoming 991 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:49,343 or identifying as David in a more permanent way? 992 00:41:49,409 --> 00:41:51,345 - Oh, yeah, definitely. 993 00:41:51,411 --> 00:41:53,113 That means I get to spend the rest of my life with her, 994 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:54,781 I'm going to do that. - Wow. 995 00:41:54,848 --> 00:41:59,553 - So yeah, what do you think inspired that change? 996 00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:03,223 - I mean, basically, we really love each other and meeting 997 00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:06,226 face to face after 20 years, I think it just 998 00:42:06,293 --> 00:42:08,762 made our bond much stronger. 999 00:42:08,829 --> 00:42:12,900 - So what started out as a roleplay character became much 1000 00:42:12,966 --> 00:42:15,102 more than that, that you actually want 1001 00:42:15,169 --> 00:42:17,471 to live your life as a man. 1002 00:42:17,538 --> 00:42:19,306 - Yeah, exactly. - Nice. 1003 00:42:19,373 --> 00:42:21,275 - Wow. - As long as I can live 1004 00:42:21,341 --> 00:42:24,778 my life with June, yeah, definitely. 1005 00:42:24,845 --> 00:42:26,079 - That's awesome. 1006 00:42:26,146 --> 00:42:28,081 - Yeah, I did not... I mean, I really 1007 00:42:28,148 --> 00:42:30,417 didn't expect to hear this. 1008 00:42:30,484 --> 00:42:31,752 But I'm very happy for you guys. 1009 00:42:31,818 --> 00:42:33,720 - Well, it was kind of an unexpected for me too. 1010 00:42:33,787 --> 00:42:35,155 - I'm really happy you guys were 1011 00:42:35,222 --> 00:42:36,890 able to get to the truth of it all 1012 00:42:36,957 --> 00:42:38,659 and evolve it into something that sounds better. 1013 00:42:38,725 --> 00:42:39,993 - Yeah, exactly. - Hell, yeah. 1014 00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:41,128 - Good talking to you. 1015 00:42:41,195 --> 00:42:42,496 - Thank you, David. - Bye. 1016 00:42:47,334 --> 00:42:50,237 [upbeat music] 1017 00:42:50,304 --> 00:42:57,211 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1018 00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:21,301 - CJ and I decided to have a kid. 1019 00:43:21,368 --> 00:43:23,937 I had to screen the guy. She knew when I ovulated. 1020 00:43:24,004 --> 00:43:25,806 She would be like, "You need to meet up with him," 1021 00:43:25,873 --> 00:43:27,841 and I would be like, "I don't want to meet up with him." 1022 00:43:27,908 --> 00:43:29,877 - Honestly, this sounds like a horror movie. 1023 00:43:29,943 --> 00:43:30,911 Oh! - Holy [bleep]. 1024 00:43:30,978 --> 00:43:33,380 - That's her. - So creepy. 1025 00:43:33,447 --> 00:43:36,617 - Who knows what we're getting ourselves into. 1026 00:43:36,683 --> 00:43:37,684 - CJ?