- ♪♪ MTV ♪♪
- We got Motherwolff and David.
20 years, they've been talking.
- This is someone that's miles and miles away.
And it's like if I needed something,
I can just pick up the phone and call him.
He's my constant.
- Hey David, its Nev here.
I'm ready to take you down there,
whether he calls us back or not.
- No matter what happens, we're here with you.
- Come on, David.
- There's a light on, but...
oh, Jesus.
Hello. - Oh, my God.
- All right, well, sadly, we don't have Kamie on this ep.
But we have a very cool guest co-host,
and he's just inside that door.
Great guy, great actor...
Dylan Sprayberry.
Dylan.
- Oh, my God, Nev.
Nice to meet you. - Hey, good to see you.
Dylan is literally Superman, or at least
he was when he played young Clark Kent in "Man of Steel."
And his career has only flown to new heights from there.
He achieved full-blown teen heartthrob status
when he starred in MTV's "Teen Wolf."
And he's now reprising that role
in the upcoming "Teen Wolf" movie.
What's up, buddy? - Come on in.
- All right, so welcome to the show.
- Thank you. I'm excited for this.
- Nice to have you back on MTV.
- It's been a long time. - Right, yeah, that's right.
Also, I have to say, this is a real special moment for me
because it might be one of the only times
someone on the show has had as much or more chest hair
than I do.
I should have been on "Teen Wolf."
- You could have been on "Teen Wolf."
They wouldn't have had to do too many effects.
- Right. - Oh, God.
- Oh, come on. - Dude.
- Anyway, all right.
So let's get into it.
- Let's do it. - Got an email here.
Subject of the email is "20 years of longing."
And it's from Motherwolff, PA.
Which I assume is Pennsylvania.
But is Motherwolff a place or a person?
- That's my mom. - Oh, my God.
Wait a second. - That's my mother.
- Is there a mother character in "Teen Wolf"?
Okay.
Hello, my name is June.
But I go by Motherwolff.
I'm a 53-year-old freelance dog sitter.
I have five kids
and nine grandkids. - Damn!
- And I've been in an on again, off again online relationship
with a man named David.
- ♪♪ I know we would manage if we just tried ♪♪
- He's in Orlando, and I'm in York, Pennsylvania.
I met him 20 years ago in an AOL chat room
where he went as Warlock. - Oh, wow.
- ♪♪ We can write our own story ♪♪
♪♪ We can make our own glory ♪♪
- He was comforting and kind.
But when I first heard his voice, it drove me wild.
It's deep and husky.
- Oh!
- It's still gives me chills down my spine.
Over the years, even when we began to become more distant
and contact wouldn't happen for months at a time,
he would send a message and we would catch up
with how our lives were going.
- ♪♪ I've got a friend in you...♪♪
- He became so much a part of my daughter's and my life
even from far away.
He was there for me through many hard times
and my evolution from solitary witch to satanist.
Wow, this is fascinating. - This is juicy.
- He always seemed to feel me and hear me as I would speak
his name on the night winds.
[voice whispers] David...
Over these 20 years, there was constantly
talk of meeting in person.
For one reason or another, it hasn't happened.
Now more than ever, I want him.
I need him.
Could you please finally help me
put a solid face and presence to someone I've cared
deeply about for so long?
Sincerely, June AKA Motherwolff."
- That's heavy, man.
- Wow, 20 years.
All right. Well, we gotta call this woman.
I'm fascinated. Motherwolff.
[line ringing]
- Yes, hi. Is this Motherwolff?
- Hey, it's Nev.
- And for this episode, we have a guest co-host.
- And his name is Dylan.
- Hi there, miss. Nice to meet you.
- How did you get the name Motherwolff?
- Wow. I'd rather talk about it in person.
Do you have time right now if we come
meet you out in Pennsylvania?
- All right, we're gonna fly out and we'll get into it.
- Bye-bye now. Can't wait.
- All right. Take care.
Wow. This is crazy.
- ♪♪ Better be a dream with a different entry ♪♪
♪♪ Clean off my finger like an ice cream ♪♪
♪♪ The sun was shining...♪♪
- Ah, Pennsylvania.
- So Motherwolff and David.
- So-called David.
- Talking for 20 years.
- I hope it's really him.
- Who really is him?
- Here we go. - All right.
[doorbell rings]
- Hi. - Hey, what's up?
- Hello. How youse all doing?
- Good. How are you? - Nice to meet you.
- Good to meet you. - Nev, obviously. Dylan.
- Hi, Dylan. Nice to meet you.
- Good to meet you also. Come on in.
- So should we just call you Motherwolff?
- Yeah. - Thanks for having us.
- I'm so very curious.
- Uh-huh.
- You used to be a... - In a coven?
- Well, yeah. You were an independent witch.
Wait, what'd you call it? - Oh, yes, 30 plus years,
I was conservative Baptist.
- Got it.
- And then in my early 30s, I dedicated
into solitary witchcraft.
- Can you give me some background
as to what it means when you say practice witchcraft?
- With witchcraft, we look at it
as we manifest our desires by speaking it on the wind
and with our works.
- Can you give me an example?
What if any spells have you attempted
to use in regards to David?
Can you inspire him to...
- Yes, we actually...it's called speaking on the wind.
We had went without talking for a while,
and my mom had passed away.
And I had no way to reach him.
He wasn't answering his messages.
And I put the window up.
And I sat there, and I called out to him.
I said, "I need you."
And we do this little thing where it's like a little howl.
- Like a howl, like, kind of like a wolf?
- Yeah. It's just a real light...
[howls] Aoooh...
And he called me 30 minutes later, he said, "I heard you."
- He said that? - That's wild.
- He was like, I felt like I knew...
- He said, "I heard you."
- And is he versed in any of this kind of stuff
that you do as well? - Okay.
- In fact, when we had met...
it was a chat room called Virtual Magic.
I saw his name and it caught my attention.
His name was Warlock.
And it just... I don't know something
about it clicked to me.
I just kept watching him.
And we got to talking, and it just took off from there.
And we would just talk and talk.
And then next thing I knew, he had my phone number,
and we were talking on the phone.
And we were talking all the time, hours on the phone.
- You mentioned in your email how much you love his voice.
- Yes. His voice was always kind of smooth, very calming.
And I would relax instantly.
Now the only place I hear from him is through messenger.
But it was just really nice.
And he was just always right there.
He spent a lot of time talking to us, me and my kids.
We became very, very close.
It was so surprising that, you know,
this is someone that's miles and miles away.
And it's like if...if I needed something, I could just pick
up the phone and call him.
If my girls had a bad time at school,
he'd talk to 'em about it.
We talked every day.
But he would disappear for months at a time
or I wouldn't hear from him.
But he always seemed to feel when I was having a crisis.
You know, he'd be... be gone for like three,
four, maybe five months, I wouldn't hear anything.
And then something would be going
on that just had me a little stressed out
and I'd hear from.
During some of the hardest times in my life, he's there.
- And now, over the course of the 20 years,
I imagine you both had other relationships.
- Yes. I've had several relationships.
They all knew about him.
I said, "I have a man that I will
not stop talking to though.
It's not negotiable."
And they said, "Well, what if I give you an ultimatum?"
I said, "Well, you can put your shoes right back on."
That's where it was at.
He's my constant. Constantly the one there.
- So wait, so what do you know about this guy?
Has he always lived in Orlando?
- As far as I know, yeah.
I don't know the street number anymore.
But I know he used to live on Stonebridge Lane
'cause I sent him a couple packages there.
And he confirmed the packages, told me what was in them.
- Have you ever met or talked to anybody
that's ever met him in person?
- One.
There was a girl that had been in the chat.
Deedee.
He said she was the mother of his son.
And that was his ex, but they stayed in the same house
for their child.
I became friends with her also.
Even if he wasn't home, I'd call for him,
me and her would talk for like an hour.
- So it was...it was like a house phone?
- Yeah.
- So have you only ever had his landline?
Or do you now have his cell phone?
- No, I don't have his cell phone.
We talk strictly through Messenger on Facebook.
- When was the last time he messaged you?
- Uh, last night.
- Last night? Wow. - Yeah.
- So he's had the same Facebook page for a while.
- Yeah. - You've seen a photo of him?
- Yeah. These are pictures that he had sent me
a while back, like, online.
- Wait, let me see. - That's him at the top.
- Wow. Look at this guy.
- And when he had sent them to me, he said, "Shh."
I guess he didn't want me to show 'em anybody else.
- Hmm. - And we'd never video chatted.
There was always a reason it didn't work.
He needed to get a webcam.
There was this, there was that.
And back then I figured, oh, you know, eventually,
we'll meet each other.
Never dreamed it would go this long.
- So what if, for these last 20 years, David has lied to you?
What if he's not the guy in the pictures?
What if he hasn't been honest with you?
- Well, of course, I would be upset with him.
It's still not a deal breaker.
- Really?
So you think you could still pursue
a relationship with him?
- I mean, when it mattered, when I really need someone,
he's been there.
You know, people make mistakes.
And if he's willing to make things right,
there's still possibilities there.
It's been 20 years now.
We need to get to the bottom of this.
I'm done playing the game and waiting.
You know, it's not gonna be on David's terms anymore.
It's going to be where I step up.
I'm ready to do something with my life.
And if it's going to be with him, great.
- Right.
We're gonna need you to send us any info...
- Okay.
- You know, that you have on David.
Tomorrow, we'll start digging and we'll just
have to take it from there. - All right.
- We got to make this happen.
- Yeah, we got to make this happen.
Finally, after all these years, the time is now.
- The Black Cat Café. - Oh!
- They have ice cream and cats. - Wow.
- You little sleepy kitty.
- Cute.
- All right, so what do we got?
We got Motherwolff and David.
For 20 years, they've been talking.
For the first few years, they were like very serious
and together. - Mm-hmm.
- But things happen.
They lost touch, they get back in touch.
Motherwolff believes that they are connected,
and he feels and hears her.
She needs him.
He's always there.
And they've really maintained a very meaningful relationship
for most of those 20 years.
- Yeah, I mean, it seems like the last missing
piece to her life right now is figuring this out.
But I have a lot of questions about David.
- For sure. All right, so you ready to dive in?
- Hell yeah.
- "Hey, guys, here's the details I know about David.
His name is David Derringer, and he lives in Orlando.
The pictures I have are attached.
I no longer have any of the phone numbers for David.
I have previously sent him gifts
to an address in Orlando.
Don't have the full address anymore.
But I know it was on Stonebridge Drive
in Orlando, Florida.
His Facebook is David Derringer.
I can't wait to hear what you find out.
Thanks again.
Aooooooo!
Motherwolff."
- I didn't know that's how you spelt a howl.
That's smart. - Okay, so let's see.
We don't have a ton.
Let's go to his Facebook page and just
see what it looks like because she talked a lot about it.
All right, so there's a picture of a wolf.
He lives in Orlando, 64 friends.
Family, no relationships, no family details.
Nothing. Yeah.
Okay, so there's not a lot on here except for his friends.
There's photos of David, and it's literally the night sky.
So David's profile does not have a lot of information
on it.
I'd say this page looks pretty fake.
So I think we should run the photos.
Let's try a little facial recognition.
Whoa, a lot of hits.
Definitely the same guy.
What is this website?
Fubar?
- sexyrexy. - Huh?
- "sexyrexy's photos." - "sexyrexy's photos."
Yeah, it looks like most of the pictures
are from this website.
And some of these obviously she has not seen.
Who's sexyrexy?
From Lansing, Michigan.
Interesting.
No mention of Orlando though.
I wonder if maybe David stole this guy's picture.
All right.
So we found a hit with one of the photos.
But it all points to this weird sort of online bar
friend finder game.
Doesn't tell us who he is though.
Weird.
So we don't know for sure who sexyrexy is.
Let's just see if there's even a David Derringer
who lives in Orlando.
Oh. Okay.
There is one David Derringer, 46,
which is probably around the right age.
Lives in Orlando.
Stonebridge Drive. - Oh, yeah!
- She was like, "I don't remember much.
But I remember he lived on Stonebridge Drive."
- Yeah. - This is probably him.
- That's good. - No phone numbers found,
no email address or relatives. - That's not good.
- There's nothing here about him.
But it does confirm there is a David Derringer
who's 46 in Florida.
Okay, well, this is our first...
- This is good. - Good piece of information.
- And he's 46. - Yeah, the right age zone.
Is this who she's talking to? It's gotta be
who she's talking to. - It's the addresses,
it's the name. - So maybe his name
really is David, and he really does live In Florida.
But the pictures of that other guy
were definitely from Lansing, Michigan.
- Yes.
- I guess we could search David Derringer Orlando
and see if there's any pictures or anything.
Whoa, look at this.
David Derringer, a real estate agent.
- Maybe... - So this could be the guy
Motherwolff's really talking to.
- That would explain, to some extent why he's been
so nervous to possibly meet up with her,
'cause he's been sending pictures of someone else.
This could be what he's been hiding all along.
I mean, 20 years is a long time to lie to someone.
- I'd be upset for sure.
- All right.
Aoooo! - Aoooo!
- Hears us.
- Oh, hi. - Hello.
- Hey, yo. - What's up?
- Come on in.
- Okay, into the wolf den we go.
- I'll let everybody settle in.
And how are you feeling just in general?
- Butterflies. A little nervous.
- All right, well, we're gonna take you through
kind of what we found. - Okay.
So we took the photos that you sent us.
And the first one we searched on this website
that sort of does like a facial recognition scan for--
- Yeah. - Came back with some hits.
- These are some pictures that you haven't seen.
- Yeah, I haven't seen most of these.
- This is a website called Fubar.
It's like an online Internet bar where people mingle
and meet each other. sexyrexy?
Would that be a name he might give himself?
- Maybe if he was being silly. - Okay.
So there's not a lot on this profile.
The only thing that you can see, though,
is that it says he's male and from Lansing, Michigan.
He's never talked about being from or being in Michigan
while you've known him, right? - No.
- So it looks like the name of the guy in the pictures
might be Rex or Rexy.
Here's where it gets interesting.
When we did a search for David Derringer in Orlando, Florida,
we got a hit.
This guy comes up as living in Orlando.
And look at this.
- [gasps]
That's the address. That was the street.
- Stonebridge Drive, right. Which is what
you had sent to us. - Yes.
- I mean, you sent him stuff, he got it, right?
- Right, yeah.
- So, you know, there's someone there.
But the fact that his name is in fact David Derringer
and his age is what you kind of assumed it was,
those are big things to sort of finally confirm.
But we wanted to see if we could find out
what this guy looked like.
A simple Google search for David Derringer in Orlando...
- Mm-hmm.
- Leads primarily to this real estate agent.
The page is private.
So there's not a lot on here but a picture.
- Wow.
- This could be the person who you're really talking to.
[soft music]
- I don't know what to think. I really don't.
- ♪♪ Who ♪♪
♪♪ Are you ♪♪
♪♪ Who...♪♪
- Sometimes, I just think it's time to throw in the towel,
you know, after all this time.
- ♪♪ Who ♪♪
♪♪ Are you ♪♪
- Why has someone got to hide that long?
He says he would do anything, well, then it's time
to [bleep] or get off the pot.
Stand up and show yourself.
- ♪♪ I thought I knew ♪♪
♪♪ ♪♪
- So I think the move then obviously is
that we have to contact him. - Yeah.
- Now it seems the only way we can do that
is through his Facebook page.
- Yeah, 'cause he's on it. He said he never signs out.
- Let's send him a message. Right.
Hey, David.
My name is Nev, and I'm the host of the TV show "Catfish."
I'm actually in Pennsylvania now with Motherwolff
who has told me all about your incredible
20-year-long friendship.
I'd love to speak with you and help you two
finally meet up in person after all these years.
Please give me a call as soon as possible
so we can organize. Great.
Send it.
- Boom.
- I almost feel like you...you should
send him another message. - I can do that.
Check your message requests. It's important.
- Okay, that's fine.
- He's on. - Oh, he's typing.
He's typing. - He just saw it.
[phone buzzes] [gasps]
He's calling. - Oh, my God.
- How do you have his...oh, he's calling on Facebook.
Okay. Answer, answer.
Put him on speaker.
- Hey. - Hey.
- Um, hi.
It's so good to hear your voice.
I didn't expect you to call.
Um, I'm sitting here with Nev and the crew from "Catfish."
Um...
They've offered to help us meet up with each other.
- Well, we just seem to keep running into roadblocks
ourselves and just seemed like the way to do it.
I mean, it's been 20 years now.
I don't want it to just be something
we talk about anymore.
I want it to be something that we actually do.
And... - I know.
- Hey, David, hey, sorry.
I'm just jumping in real quick.
It's Nev here.
You obviously know Motherwolff very well.
And I'm sure in the 20 years that you guys have talked
and that you've been there for her and you've connected,
you've learned how incredible and supportive
and accepting she is.
Perhaps there is something that maybe she doesn't know
or that you may have told her that wasn't true.
- I totally get that.
So just before we go, last thing--
you're in Orlando, Florida, right?
- Wow. [Motherwolff sobbing]
- Perhaps there is something that maybe she doesn't know
or that you may have told her that wasn't true.
- I totally get that.
So just before we go, last thing--you're in Orlando,
Florida, right?
- Wow.
[somber music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- I could tell he was angry when he hung up.
Could hear in his voice.
- ♪♪ I wish I could get over you ♪♪
♪♪ And I hate that I can't ♪♪
- That's definitely the voice.
- ♪♪ I'm still haunted by the ghost of you ♪♪
- I'm ready to take you down there,
whether he calls us back or not.
We know where he lives.
I guess I can just message him now.
Hey, David. We're gonna fly down
to Orlando tomorrow morning
in the hopes that you agree to meet up with us.
Okay. Sent.
We got some packing to do. We'll meet you at the airport
or we'll pick you up, whatever.
We'll figure it out. - Okay.
- We just have to get down there, force the issue.
♪♪ ♪♪
- There she is.
- What's up?
Good to see you.
- Have you heard anything from David?
- No. The day of reckoning.
- All right. - This is wild.
- Really ridin' in style.
- ♪♪ I never needed you ♪♪
♪♪ In all this time ♪♪
- ♪♪ I never loved you in all this time ♪♪
♪♪ I never needed you at all ♪♪
♪♪ ♪♪
- We made it.
I mean, we have his address.
Shall we do a little knock, knock?
The only reason I even suggest that is because
you've been waiting 20 years. - Yeah.
- So I say we just go and check it out.
- I agree.
- Here, Dylan, why don't you send a quick message?
- Just want to give you a heads up.
We have an address that we think is yours.
We're going to stop by and hopefully we can meet.
- He just saw my messages. - Oh, yeah?
- And told him, I said, "I don't have any expectations
for you except to finally see you and not
just a name on the screen."
Hasn't said anything, but he's seen it.
[tense music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- It's just down this road.
[Nev and Motherwolff talking under breath]
- Well, there it is.
[tense music]
- All right, well, hopefully, he's in there.
How are you feeling?
- Whew.
Shaking like a leaf right now.
- Yeah. We don't know what to expect.
- Yeah. - We've seen all kinds of
weird things happen. It could be that real estate
agent whose photos we found. Expect anything.
- Whew...
- Let's do it.
- Just hang here and I'll knock.
[suspenseful music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- No matter what happens, we're here with you.
♪♪ ♪♪
- Come on, David.
There's a light on, but...
Oh! Jesus.
- Hello.
- Oh, my God.
- I mean, I...there's a light on, but...
[suspenseful music]
♪♪ ♪♪
Oh! Jesus.
Hello.
- Hey.
- Hi.
How you doing? - I'm all right.
- Nev. - David.
- David. All right. Nice to meet you.
[quiet music]
- Hi.
- Hey.
- This is June, or Motherwolff, as you know her.
- So how are you?
- I'm good. How are you?
- I'm good.
♪♪ ♪♪
I don't know what to say. I'm so...
This has been a long time coming.
But I'm here, so...
- Well, you look really nice.
- Thank you. - Yeah.
- You don't look so bad yourself...ha ha.
- You guys mind if we just jump in for a minute?
- Yeah, go right ahead.
- Clearly, you're not the person in the photos
that you sent.
Right? - Yeah, yeah, I know.
- Is that essentially what's been keeping you...
from showing your true self all these years
and meeting up?
- Yeah, I guess so.
- And it's been you and only you talking
to her this whole time, right?
- Yeah.
- Well, now that the "cat's out of the bag,"
do you feel more comfortable with the idea of us finally
bringing you two together?
- I mean, I'm glad you're here, you know?
I've always wanted to, like, meet up with you,
all right? - Mm-hmm.
- 'Cause you know you always have my heart.
- Yeah, same here. - Yeah.
- Why have you been so elusive?
I mean, you're not the person in the photos.
But surely, you have a phone, right?
- Um, I really don't use my phone like that.
- Forgive me for asking some kind of
standard questions here.
But are you in a relationship?
- No, no. - Okay.
Well, I guess the question I have is,
I understand, years and years ago,
you sent her a picture that wasn't you.
- Yeah. - But has there been
any other meaningful information
that you feel you were keeping from her
or that you never shared with her?
That you lied about?
- Um...
- June, would you prefer a seat?
- I mean, there's a lot.
[heavy music]
Before I tell you, just...
just know that everything I said was...was the truth,
okay? - Okay.
- Always, always love you.
[music escalates]
But...
- Okay.
- David was someone I just made up.
But when...
when I am David, I mean every word I say.
Actually, I'm Denise...
[in a woman's voice] And I just basically
roleplay David.
[soft, dramatic music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- Okay, so let me get this straight.
So in all of your conversations and communication with June,
you were playing the David character.
- Yeah.
- So in your day-to-day life, people know you as Denise?
- Yeah.
But let me tell you something.
David loves June 100%.
And when I'm portraying David,
okay, I become David.
- I know.
- So when I play David...
[in a man's voice] He loves you.
Okay?
- So then, as Denise, do you have any interest
in a relationship with Motherwolff?
Or is that exclusive to your character of David?
- It's just with David.
- So in your in your day-to-day life as Denise,
you don't imagine your friendship and relationship?
- No. - No.
Okay.
I mean, it's definitely weird.
This is a first for us that someone would be
talking to someone who has
essentially sort of two versions of themself.
- Right.
Because when I play David, I become David.
[in a woman's voice] And then when I'm Denise,
then I'm totally completely opposite.
You know, when I'm with Denise,
I don't like women, I don't--I dress--
I do not dress like this.
- Got it.
[in a man's voice] - Only David does.
[in a woman's voice] And Dave's a good guy.
He really is. - Yeah, yeah, he definitely is.
- He's a good guy, and he loves you.
- Definitely is. - He completely loves you.
- Well, Dave may be a good guy,
and I believe that,
But he's been not totally honest
and sort of led her on for a long time.
- Right.
- Well, here's a weird question.
- Yeah.
- As David, you are attracted to women.
- Yeah.
- And when you're David, and you're talking to June,
do you feel a sexual desire?
- Yeah, as Dave.
- So is there any interest from David
to pursue any kind of romantic relationship with June?
- Of course.
- Oh, there is. Okay. - 20 years in the making.
Yeah. - Yeah.
- You know?
I mean, look at her, she's beautiful.
- Okay, well, obviously, June, though, taking this all
like a champ... - Yeah.
- I'm sure must be feeling a lot of things.
I know I am.
But it's been a long day of travel.
- Mm-hmm.
- This is just a lot to take in.
- Mm-hmm. - So I think that now
that the secrets are out in the open,
why don't we plan on meeting back up tomorrow
so you guys can talk more and finally kinda...
- All right. That sounds like a plan.
- Yeah. - Yeah, I'd like that.
- Yeah, I'd like that too.
- No matter what happens with you guys, going forward,
honesty and communication is always
the most important thing.
- Okay, well, lovely meeting both of you.
- Nice meeting you too.
- Yes.
- It's real nice to meet you, David.
- Nice to meet you too.
- I'm glad you guys got to meet up.
- All right.
- Well, I didn't see that coming.
- What are we to make of all that?
- I mean, the Denise thing, that...that's shocking.
- What do you think this means, like,
romantically for you guys?
- Physically, do you find David attractive?
- Male persona, female persona.
That doesn't bother me.
But with Denise not being into girls,
that's going to keep it on...
- Right. - The downside with that.
- Sounds like Denise is the primary personality
and David is a secondary.
Does that mean that there's enough David for you
to have a relationship with? You know what I mean?
Like, are you willing to have a relationship
with part of someone
but not the whole someone?
- Exactly.
I got a lot to run through my head tonight.
- Hello. - Good morning.
- Join me on the couch.
- Sounds good.
My mind's going all night.
So there's a lot of unanswered questions I have.
Yesterday, I just didn't want to react.
I'd rather stop, think, and then take action.
And I have a couple ideas of things I want to ask.
One of them is, who's most dominant, Denise or David?
And I want to know what Denise thinks of me
on a personal level, 'cause I've obviously
been around 20 years.
- All right, well, it sounds like you've got a lot to say.
- Yeah. - All right.
- Let's rock and roll. - Let's do it.
- I just feel like there's some other surprise waiting.
- Okay. - Well, here we go.
- Let's do it.
- [female voice] Hi. - Hi.
- Come on in. - All right.
- Is this Denise? - Yeah.
- Nice to see you again. - Nice to see you again.
- Good to see you. - Ah, all right.
How's everyone feeling?
- All right.
- I love the hair. - Thank you.
- This is generally the vibe with Denise?
- Mm-hmm. - Well, got a lot of questions.
But I just want to make sure that I'm clear on everything
that you told us yesterday.
When you think about yourself as Denise,
that is who you are. - Right. That's who I am.
- That's your authentic true self?
- Right.
- When you think about David,
so you think of David as a character
that you created that represents
perhaps some of your feelings and interests?
- I mean, David is a character all his own.
I mean, when...it's like playing a part in a movie.
You become the person that you're portraying.
So when I roleplay as being David, I became David.
- Sure, but when you're David, do you love June and as David
or do you feel that across Denise?
- As Denise, I'm not attracted to women at all.
- Okay, while we're clearing things up,
there is a David who lives at this address.
And so we were wondering, did you register at this address
to David in the past? - Yes.
- And when you started portraying David, when you
came up with the idea for the character of David,
what was kind of your beginning interest in doing that?
What was the draw?
- Well, I started as, um, the AOL chat rooms,
and you're pretty much anonymous,
but I kept getting, like, instant messages from all
these men that wanted, like, pictures
and they wanted to send me pictures.
And that's not what I wanted to do.
So I put as my ASL, male, and those instant
messages stopped.
- Right. - That's how David was born.
And that's why I created him.
- And so you didn't create the character because you were
looking to roleplay as a man?
- Right.
- You weren't trying to explore gender fluidity for yourself?
- Exactly.
My gender identity as Denise is I'm female.
And I like men.
- And so what does that mean for David?
- I don't know. - Is David dying off?
- I mean, I don't see the sense in keeping him.
- What about June?
I mean, yesterday, you know, you were saying
that David loves...I mean...
- I mean, that... that part is true.
David loves June. Always has.
- But not enough to keep David forever.
- I wouldn't want that anyways.
If it's not real, I don't want it.
Even though I know David was made up,
it's like losing a friend of 20 years,
that even though it's not a real person,
it feels like it is, you know?
Bigger part of me wants to say thank you for the support
over the years.
The other part says, "I'll see you in hell."
- I mean, I am sorry.
I mean, it was...it was never my intention to hurt you.
- Whoops.
- I don't think that...
I don't think that's a good enough apology.
- Why didn't he just let me go?
Why didn't he just let me go?
- Do you ever feel like you're a character
that you've created?
- I know...I mean, I know who I am.
And I'm aware that, you know, all
these characters that I will play,
I know that they're all made up.
I create them all.
- Characters, plural?
So you've been other people besides David?
- So, um, I wasn't really honest about something.
With Deedee, um...
I created her.
And when you spoke on the phone, that was also me.
None of that was true.
- This voice change, it seriously sounded like
two different people.
- Well, that's 20 years of, you know...
- Yeah. Of practice. [sniffles]
- Are there any other characters or...
- I mean, over the years, I've created so many characters,
not just David.
But there was, um, Leo, and Simon, and Gavin,
and Denise, and Markese...
- Wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second.
Are you saying that Denise, who we are talking to
is a character? You are in a role right now?
- Right.
- So your legal name is not Denise.
- Right.
- So then what is your name?
- That's, uh... - Okay, that's fine.
You don't have to say anything, but I'm...I'm putting
it out there, just for your sake.
I just want to make sure you know
that Denise is also a roleplay character
of whoever's underneath Denise.
- Whew. [bleep].
- Sorry. I'm having a...
hard time right now.
June just poured her heart out,
explaining how devastating this experience has been
to find out that David hasn't been real this whole time.
This is 20 years of an adult relationship with a woman
who has been nothing but... - Wow.
- Nice and kind to you,
and she went to all this trouble
to come down here to get the truth
and you've told her almost nothing true
because you've been talking to us as Denise.
Well, it sounds to me like this is it.
- Yeah. An ending of the chapter
and closing a book. - Yes.
- Right. - Okay.
["Wicked Love" by Naomi August playing]
- You take care.
- ♪♪ And I despise ♪♪
♪♪ Your wicked love ♪♪
- How you doing?
- Feel empty.
You know, it really sucks.
I'm hollow inside right now.
- Everything that you did came from a place of love.
You didn't do anything wrong.
- Thank you for that.
Well, whoever she is, may she find peace within herself.
- ♪♪ Your ♪♪
♪♪ Your wicked love ♪♪
- Hey. - Hi.
- How you doing? - Hey, yo.
- What's been going on since we filmed?
Have you and David been in touch?
- Yes. - Ah.
And...and you're in touch with David not Denise?
- Right. When I left there,
I had a lot of things I had to process, and I went to bed.
And when I woke up in the morning, got a phone call.
- Wow.
- So we talked--we talked for quite a while.
And he told me that when he saw me walk out that door,
it was too much to take.
And we've been talking every day since.
- I'm just confused.
The last thing I remember "David" saying
was that he sort of was done with the David character.
- Now, you know, he says he's David foremost,
there's a lot that we are working on together.
Things don't progress as we discuss it,
then well, you know, I know right where the door is.
- I'm excited. But I'm also a little wary.
But you seem like you're at a good sort of place
with all of this, and you know what you're getting yourself
into now moving forward. - Exactly.
- Good luck with everything and hope things
work out the way you want them to.
- Yes. It was a real pleasure meeting you guys.
- Yeah. - We'll talk soon.
- All right. - Good luck.
- All right. - Bye.
- Hey. - Hey, David.
Good to see you.
- Yeah, good seeing you too.
- We just got off with Motherwolff
and heard some unexpected but, I think,
good news about you guys.
- Yeah, well, we started talking.
And we are officially a couple now,
online as well as offline.
- Whoa. Okay.
So does that mean that you plan on becoming
or identifying as David in a more permanent way?
- Oh, yeah, definitely.
That means I get to spend the rest of my life with her,
I'm going to do that. - Wow.
- So yeah, what do you think inspired that change?
- I mean, basically, we really love each other and meeting
face to face after 20 years, I think it just
made our bond much stronger.
- So what started out as a roleplay character became much
more than that, that you actually want
to live your life as a man.
- Yeah, exactly. - Nice.
- Wow. - As long as I can live
my life with June, yeah, definitely.
- That's awesome.
- Yeah, I did not... I mean, I really
didn't expect to hear this.
But I'm very happy for you guys.
- Well, it was kind of an unexpected for me too.
- I'm really happy you guys were
able to get to the truth of it all
and evolve it into something that sounds better.
- Yeah, exactly. - Hell, yeah.
- Good talking to you.
- Thank you, David. - Bye.
[upbeat music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- CJ and I decided to have a kid.
I had to screen the guy. She knew when I ovulated.
She would be like, "You need to meet up with him,"
and I would be like, "I don't want to meet up with him."
- Honestly, this sounds like a horror movie.
Oh! - Holy [bleep].
- That's her. - So creepy.
- Who knows what we're getting ourselves into.
- CJ?