1 00:00:02,203 --> 00:00:03,602 I had to screen the guys. 2 00:00:03,671 --> 00:00:05,437 She knew when I ovulated. 3 00:00:05,506 --> 00:00:07,406 She would be like, "You need to meet up with him." 4 00:00:07,475 --> 00:00:09,475 And I would be like, "I don't want to meet up with him." 5 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:11,377 - Honestly, this sounds like a horror movie. 6 00:00:11,445 --> 00:00:12,745 - Oh. - Holy [bleep]. 7 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:14,113 - That's her. - Oh, my God. 8 00:00:14,181 --> 00:00:17,149 This is so creepy. 9 00:00:17,218 --> 00:00:19,218 - Who knows what we're getting ourselves into. 10 00:00:19,286 --> 00:00:20,786 - It's all or nothing. 11 00:00:20,855 --> 00:00:22,388 [dramatic music] 12 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,260 - Ceejay? 13 00:00:28,329 --> 00:00:30,763 [dramatic musical sting] 14 00:00:30,831 --> 00:00:32,297 - All right, welcome back. 15 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:34,133 We have another special guest cohost, 16 00:00:34,201 --> 00:00:36,969 except this one you probably remember. 17 00:00:37,038 --> 00:00:42,207 In fact, this will be her fifth episode hosting show with me, 18 00:00:42,276 --> 00:00:44,276 and I'm so thrilled she's back. 19 00:00:44,345 --> 00:00:46,311 Tallulah Willis, everyone. 20 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:49,248 - Hi! - Hey! 21 00:00:49,316 --> 00:00:50,482 - New hair. 22 00:00:50,551 --> 00:00:51,784 - Dude, new hair. - New vibe. 23 00:00:51,852 --> 00:00:53,852 - New vibe, I know. I grew up a little bit. 24 00:00:53,921 --> 00:00:55,487 I was like a little baby. Now I'm a woman. 25 00:00:55,556 --> 00:00:56,855 - We were just reminiscing. 26 00:00:56,924 --> 00:00:59,625 You were definitely in some interesting episodes. 27 00:00:59,693 --> 00:01:01,060 - This is him. 28 00:01:01,128 --> 00:01:02,895 I had no idea how to navigate those. 29 00:01:02,963 --> 00:01:05,898 Obviously, he's into you, but that's not enough. 30 00:01:05,966 --> 00:01:07,099 He needs to be wowing you. - Yeah. 31 00:01:07,168 --> 00:01:08,233 - You did great. 32 00:01:08,302 --> 00:01:09,501 - I was pretty impressed, actually. 33 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:10,702 - You ready to do it again? 34 00:01:10,771 --> 00:01:13,072 - Super excited. - Let's get to work. 35 00:01:13,140 --> 00:01:14,306 All right. 36 00:01:14,375 --> 00:01:16,141 We got something in the old inbox. 37 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:19,311 "Hey, Nev and Tallulah. 38 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:22,414 "My name is Shay. 39 00:01:22,483 --> 00:01:26,151 "I'm 25 years old, and I'm from Pompano Beach, Florida. 40 00:01:26,220 --> 00:01:30,789 Eight years ago, I met a girl on Facebook named Ceejay." 41 00:01:30,858 --> 00:01:34,326 - ♪ Do you remember when we used to have it all? ♪ 42 00:01:34,395 --> 00:01:38,197 ♪ I could not love you more, it was not long ago ♪ 43 00:01:38,265 --> 00:01:41,033 - "This was a whirlwind teenage romance 44 00:01:41,102 --> 00:01:43,836 "that had more ups and downs than a roller coaster. 45 00:01:43,904 --> 00:01:46,538 "I know you help people who are in love. 46 00:01:46,607 --> 00:01:48,841 Well, we were in love." 47 00:01:48,909 --> 00:01:51,076 - ♪ We came to a crossing road ♪ 48 00:01:51,145 --> 00:01:52,744 ♪ And I gave up your hand ♪ 49 00:01:52,813 --> 00:01:56,582 - "So in love that we decided to have a baby together." 50 00:01:56,650 --> 00:01:58,517 So wait a second. - Are they--I'm unclear. 51 00:01:58,586 --> 00:02:00,018 Have they met? - I don't know. 52 00:02:00,087 --> 00:02:01,153 Hold on. 53 00:02:01,222 --> 00:02:03,222 "But it all went downhill from there. 54 00:02:03,290 --> 00:02:06,558 So much bad stuff happened, I had to end it." 55 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:10,262 - ♪ I had to leave, I had to go ♪ 56 00:02:10,331 --> 00:02:15,200 ♪ Before we both lose all control, oh ♪ 57 00:02:15,269 --> 00:02:17,569 - "But now things have gotten crazier, 58 00:02:17,638 --> 00:02:20,539 "and I owe it to myself to know what happened here. 59 00:02:20,608 --> 00:02:23,108 "There's so much to tell you, but if I wrote it all out, 60 00:02:23,177 --> 00:02:24,476 "it would be a 15-page letter. 61 00:02:24,545 --> 00:02:27,613 "Long story short, she never truly goes away, 62 00:02:27,681 --> 00:02:30,682 "and I'm always looking over my shoulder. 63 00:02:30,751 --> 00:02:33,552 "I need to move on and feel safe. 64 00:02:33,621 --> 00:02:37,523 Please, please, help me. Shay." 65 00:02:38,893 --> 00:02:40,826 Did they have a child together? 66 00:02:40,895 --> 00:02:42,094 - But they've never met. 67 00:02:42,163 --> 00:02:43,595 - I feel like we should just call her. 68 00:02:43,664 --> 00:02:45,264 - Yeah, there's a lot of gaps. - Yeah. 69 00:02:45,332 --> 00:02:46,498 [line trilling] 70 00:02:48,335 --> 00:02:50,035 - Hello, Shay? 71 00:02:50,104 --> 00:02:52,471 - It's Nev, from Catfish. 72 00:02:54,341 --> 00:02:55,240 - I got your email. 73 00:02:55,309 --> 00:02:56,742 I should tell you, Kamie is not 74 00:02:56,810 --> 00:02:58,243 doing this episode with me, 75 00:02:58,312 --> 00:03:01,346 but a fantastic young lady is in her place named Tallulah. 76 00:03:01,415 --> 00:03:02,948 So I'm sitting actually here with Tallulah, 77 00:03:03,017 --> 00:03:04,183 just so you know. 78 00:03:04,251 --> 00:03:05,918 - Hi, nice to meet you. 79 00:03:06,487 --> 00:03:08,620 - I don't know where to start, honestly. 80 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:11,590 Does it work for you if we come to Pompano Beach, 81 00:03:11,659 --> 00:03:13,559 and get into this, and hopefully figure it out? 82 00:03:15,696 --> 00:03:16,862 - Great. - Fantastic. 83 00:03:16,931 --> 00:03:18,197 - I think we can just fly down there 84 00:03:18,265 --> 00:03:19,998 tomorrow morning and meet up. 85 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:22,234 - OK, that sounds good. I'll send you guys an address. 86 00:03:22,303 --> 00:03:23,335 - All right, great. 87 00:03:23,404 --> 00:03:24,570 - Perfect. - See you tomorrow, Shay. 88 00:03:24,638 --> 00:03:25,837 - See you tomorrow! - Thank you guys. 89 00:03:25,906 --> 00:03:27,272 - Bye. - Bye. 90 00:03:27,341 --> 00:03:28,674 - Should we pop on down to Pompano? 91 00:03:28,742 --> 00:03:31,009 - Pam-pano, Pampano? 92 00:03:31,512 --> 00:03:33,011 Pampano. - Pompano. 93 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,813 - Pompano. - Yeah. 94 00:03:34,882 --> 00:03:38,116 - ♪ Me and you ♪ 95 00:03:38,185 --> 00:03:40,519 - We made it, Pompano Beach. 96 00:03:40,588 --> 00:03:42,454 So Shay and Ceejay. 97 00:03:42,523 --> 00:03:44,022 Eight years. - Eight years. 98 00:03:44,091 --> 00:03:45,524 There's a baby. - Well-- 99 00:03:45,593 --> 00:03:47,826 - It's a teenage romance. - I don't think there's a baby. 100 00:03:47,895 --> 00:03:51,463 - It sounds like this story is anything but typical. 101 00:03:51,532 --> 00:03:52,497 - Right. 102 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:54,032 - ♪ Just side by side ♪ 103 00:03:54,101 --> 00:03:55,734 ♪ So they can call us stereo ♪ 104 00:03:55,803 --> 00:03:58,904 - OK, let's do this. 105 00:03:58,973 --> 00:04:00,072 Oh. 106 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:02,474 both: Hi! - Hey! 107 00:04:02,543 --> 00:04:03,842 - How are you? 108 00:04:03,911 --> 00:04:05,143 - Good, how are you? - Good. 109 00:04:05,212 --> 00:04:06,311 - Shay, Shay, Shay. Go, Shay. 110 00:04:06,380 --> 00:04:08,480 - Nice to meet you guys. - Hi, how are you? 111 00:04:08,549 --> 00:04:10,148 - Thank you guys for coming. 112 00:04:10,217 --> 00:04:12,217 - Of course, yeah. - You guys want to come in? 113 00:04:12,286 --> 00:04:13,652 - Of course, sure. 114 00:04:13,721 --> 00:04:15,687 - OK, come on. 115 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:18,223 - Shall we? - Yes. 116 00:04:18,292 --> 00:04:20,859 - So give me the whole-- just give me the whole story. 117 00:04:20,928 --> 00:04:22,294 - Timeline. Yeah, we're here, we're here. 118 00:04:22,363 --> 00:04:24,596 - OK, so basically, 119 00:04:24,665 --> 00:04:27,866 I met Ceejay on Facebook in like 2014. 120 00:04:27,935 --> 00:04:30,002 - Yeah, eight years is a long time. 121 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:31,670 - Yeah. 122 00:04:31,739 --> 00:04:33,772 She was like messaging me a few times 123 00:04:33,841 --> 00:04:35,173 like, "Hey, you're pretty". 124 00:04:35,242 --> 00:04:36,675 And I was like, "Oh, she's really pretty." 125 00:04:36,744 --> 00:04:40,712 Then we moved on to exchanging numbers. 126 00:04:40,781 --> 00:04:43,715 After that, we talked on the phone like the following day 127 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:45,117 when I was leaving school. 128 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:46,451 - Oh, so that all went pretty quick. 129 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,387 - Yeah, and we instantly just connected. 130 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:50,922 [upbeat music] 131 00:04:50,991 --> 00:04:52,357 - Where is she from? 132 00:04:52,426 --> 00:04:53,692 - Georgia. - OK. 133 00:04:53,761 --> 00:04:55,594 - So I met her family about three months 134 00:04:55,663 --> 00:04:56,628 into the relationship. 135 00:04:56,697 --> 00:04:58,230 - Online, not in person? 136 00:04:58,299 --> 00:04:59,865 - Yes, online. - OK. 137 00:04:59,933 --> 00:05:02,100 I met her mom and her sister, Asia. 138 00:05:02,169 --> 00:05:05,637 And her sister actually was, like, texting me one day 139 00:05:05,706 --> 00:05:08,273 and was like, "If you love Ceejay like you say you do, 140 00:05:08,342 --> 00:05:10,008 you would tat her name on you." 141 00:05:10,077 --> 00:05:14,813 So I ended up tatting her name on my chest. 142 00:05:14,882 --> 00:05:17,282 And then I called her and sent her the picture 143 00:05:17,351 --> 00:05:18,817 while we were on the phone. 144 00:05:18,886 --> 00:05:20,786 And I'm like-- - Hold on. 145 00:05:20,854 --> 00:05:25,724 You tattooed a girl's name on your chest 146 00:05:25,793 --> 00:05:28,960 that you'd never met, never FaceTimed with... 147 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:30,395 - Mm-hmm. 148 00:05:30,464 --> 00:05:33,098 - And didn't even know it was real? 149 00:05:33,167 --> 00:05:34,499 - Yes. 150 00:05:37,037 --> 00:05:38,970 I was in love with her, you know? 151 00:05:39,039 --> 00:05:41,039 - But why would you even listen to the sister? 152 00:05:41,108 --> 00:05:43,008 - I was worried that, like, she would tell her 153 00:05:43,077 --> 00:05:44,476 all these things and then, you know, 154 00:05:44,545 --> 00:05:45,777 me and her would break up. 155 00:05:45,846 --> 00:05:47,479 - Is it still there? 156 00:05:47,548 --> 00:05:50,549 - Well, I covered it about two years ago. 157 00:05:50,617 --> 00:05:52,351 - Wow. - Yeah. 158 00:05:53,787 --> 00:05:55,487 - Crazy. OK, so keep going. 159 00:05:55,556 --> 00:05:57,856 - Yeah, so still within that first year period, 160 00:05:57,925 --> 00:06:00,859 she sent a ring and asked me to marry her. 161 00:06:00,928 --> 00:06:03,328 - And let me guess, you say yes. 162 00:06:03,397 --> 00:06:05,864 - Yes. 163 00:06:05,933 --> 00:06:07,933 Like, I wore it like I was engaged. 164 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:09,935 - And you told your friends and family? 165 00:06:10,003 --> 00:06:12,137 - Mm-hmm. - That's insane. 166 00:06:12,206 --> 00:06:13,372 - I know. 167 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,906 - And you've never videochatted? 168 00:06:14,975 --> 00:06:16,475 - We tried to videochat a few times, 169 00:06:16,543 --> 00:06:18,276 but she would have excuses. 170 00:06:18,345 --> 00:06:21,713 Like her phone was broke or her front camera was broke. 171 00:06:21,782 --> 00:06:23,048 - Ding, ding, ding. - She couldn't see me. 172 00:06:23,117 --> 00:06:25,717 - But you're still excited because this woman 173 00:06:25,786 --> 00:06:29,121 seems great and seems to really love you and she's beautiful? 174 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:31,923 - Yes. We started making huge plans. 175 00:06:31,992 --> 00:06:34,960 Almost a year in, we decided to have a kid. 176 00:06:35,028 --> 00:06:36,695 - So what was the plan? 177 00:06:36,764 --> 00:06:38,797 - I had to, like, basically screen the guys. 178 00:06:38,866 --> 00:06:41,500 Like, one guy I met, I sent her a picture of me and him. 179 00:06:41,568 --> 00:06:43,502 And she would give approval. 180 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:47,072 - So this isn't like the online database for sperm donors. 181 00:06:47,141 --> 00:06:49,141 This is live human man. 182 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:50,976 - She kept pushing the issue like, 183 00:06:51,044 --> 00:06:53,311 "Oh, you know, you need to meet up with him," 184 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:55,814 and I would be like, "I don't want to meet up with him." 185 00:06:55,883 --> 00:06:56,882 - Wow. 186 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:59,518 - She knew when I ovulated. 187 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:03,722 She actually had a tracker on her phone. 188 00:07:03,791 --> 00:07:05,056 She would be like, "You need to go now 189 00:07:05,125 --> 00:07:07,292 because you're high in that fertility range." 190 00:07:07,361 --> 00:07:10,595 - This is [bleep] creepy. 191 00:07:10,664 --> 00:07:12,264 Did you talk to this guy and say, 192 00:07:12,332 --> 00:07:13,665 "Hey, I just want to let you know..." 193 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:16,134 - This is the situation. - "I've got a girlfriend." 194 00:07:16,203 --> 00:07:19,137 - I told him what the plan was, that I had a girlfriend, 195 00:07:19,206 --> 00:07:20,672 and we were trying to plan a kid. 196 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:21,940 - OK. 197 00:07:22,009 --> 00:07:24,443 - So I met this one guy. We started hanging out. 198 00:07:24,511 --> 00:07:26,344 But because at that time, 199 00:07:26,413 --> 00:07:28,747 me and Ceejay weren't on good terms, 200 00:07:28,816 --> 00:07:32,517 she was like verbally abusive and mentally draining. 201 00:07:32,586 --> 00:07:36,755 So I kind of got romantically involved with him 202 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:39,057 in the breaks of me and her. 203 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:41,893 - So you actually developed feelings for him... 204 00:07:41,962 --> 00:07:43,361 - Mm-hmm. 205 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:45,130 - Even though he initially started just as a potential-- 206 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:46,631 - Sperm man. - Sperm donor. 207 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:47,866 - Pretty much. 208 00:07:47,935 --> 00:07:49,401 But then I still ended up getting pregnant. 209 00:07:49,470 --> 00:07:50,769 - Wow. 210 00:07:50,838 --> 00:07:53,438 - And then we basically didn't 211 00:07:53,507 --> 00:07:55,040 have a good relationship from there. 212 00:07:55,108 --> 00:07:56,908 He ended up leaving. 213 00:07:56,977 --> 00:07:59,945 And then Ceejay did step up and start sending me 214 00:08:00,013 --> 00:08:01,012 things for the baby. 215 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:02,247 - Like what? 216 00:08:02,316 --> 00:08:05,083 - She sent me a car seat, baby bag, clothes. 217 00:08:05,152 --> 00:08:06,751 - All right, so that's kind of nice. 218 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:09,054 - Yeah, but there's time about three months 219 00:08:09,122 --> 00:08:10,822 into the relationship when I was the one 220 00:08:10,891 --> 00:08:13,458 that was there for her when she needed money. 221 00:08:13,527 --> 00:08:15,026 - You sent her money? - Yeah. 222 00:08:15,095 --> 00:08:17,429 At one point at time, I gave her my card. 223 00:08:17,498 --> 00:08:19,831 So she'll be like, "Oh, I'm ordering pizza." 224 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:22,133 - What? Your bank card? 225 00:08:22,202 --> 00:08:23,768 - Yeah. 226 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:25,971 And one day I went to the store, 227 00:08:26,039 --> 00:08:27,272 and my card declined. 228 00:08:27,341 --> 00:08:29,941 I had $0. 229 00:08:30,878 --> 00:08:33,245 And then when I called her and asked her about it, 230 00:08:33,313 --> 00:08:35,480 she said it was her sister, Asia, 231 00:08:35,549 --> 00:08:37,449 and that she was gonna handle it. 232 00:08:37,518 --> 00:08:39,384 And I guess her and Asia apparently got into a fight. 233 00:08:39,453 --> 00:08:40,952 - So she's never paid you back, I presume? 234 00:08:41,021 --> 00:08:42,854 - Mm-mm. 235 00:08:42,923 --> 00:08:46,458 - OK, so fast forward and you have this baby. 236 00:08:46,527 --> 00:08:48,126 - And me and her were still on and off. 237 00:08:48,195 --> 00:08:50,195 You know, we wouldn't talk for like three or four months, 238 00:08:50,264 --> 00:08:52,230 and then she'll pop back out of the blue. 239 00:08:52,299 --> 00:08:54,966 But then I told her I was pregnant again. 240 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:57,002 - Wait a second. How did that happen? 241 00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:58,537 - My--I guess you could say boyfriend, 242 00:08:58,605 --> 00:09:01,439 we ended up, like, getting back romantically involved. 243 00:09:01,508 --> 00:09:03,341 - So you got back together with your baby daddy. 244 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:06,077 - Yes. And then Ceejay, she was upset. 245 00:09:06,146 --> 00:09:09,180 And when she's hurt, she tends to say hurtful things 246 00:09:09,249 --> 00:09:11,349 to me, like tell me she hates me, 247 00:09:11,418 --> 00:09:13,852 call me names, threaten me. 248 00:09:13,921 --> 00:09:16,955 And after that, I completely cut her off. 249 00:09:17,024 --> 00:09:19,391 But once I cut her off, she stalked me 250 00:09:19,459 --> 00:09:21,693 for like over a year. 251 00:09:21,762 --> 00:09:22,928 - What does that mean? 252 00:09:22,996 --> 00:09:24,362 - Like, for example, I had a PoF, 253 00:09:24,431 --> 00:09:27,165 and someone wrote me on PoF named Brit. 254 00:09:27,234 --> 00:09:29,100 And then out of the blue, Ceejay wrote me 255 00:09:29,169 --> 00:09:32,370 on Brit's page and was like, I had her reach out to you 256 00:09:32,439 --> 00:09:33,738 because I couldn't contact you. 257 00:09:33,807 --> 00:09:35,240 - OK, crazy. 258 00:09:35,309 --> 00:09:38,209 - There was always, some way, somehow contacting me. 259 00:09:38,278 --> 00:09:40,779 It has affected me in like a lot of ways. 260 00:09:40,847 --> 00:09:44,649 I'm afraid to date online because it was multiple people. 261 00:09:44,718 --> 00:09:46,051 - Oh, my God. 262 00:09:46,119 --> 00:09:48,987 - And then I got a message on IG a few weeks ago 263 00:09:49,056 --> 00:09:52,223 of her saying, like, "Hey, I know it's been a few years, 264 00:09:52,292 --> 00:09:53,858 but I want to meet you." 265 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,328 - So after all these years, that's why you emailed us now? 266 00:09:56,396 --> 00:09:57,862 - That's when you reached out to "Catfish." 267 00:09:57,931 --> 00:09:59,030 - Yeah. - I'm glad you did. 268 00:09:59,099 --> 00:10:00,732 This could be dangerous without us. 269 00:10:00,801 --> 00:10:02,500 Can we see a picture of-- - Yeah. 270 00:10:02,569 --> 00:10:07,072 - Ceejay? - So these are like a few pics. 271 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:09,341 - OK, well she's very pretty. 272 00:10:09,409 --> 00:10:11,176 What does it say on her chest? 273 00:10:11,244 --> 00:10:12,444 - Nique. 274 00:10:12,512 --> 00:10:14,012 She told me that was her mom's name. 275 00:10:14,081 --> 00:10:15,447 - OK. 276 00:10:15,515 --> 00:10:16,715 Wow, OK. 277 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:18,683 Well, you know, I can understand, obviously, 278 00:10:18,752 --> 00:10:21,086 as a 16-year-old seeing pictures of that woman 279 00:10:21,154 --> 00:10:22,854 and being, like, into her. 280 00:10:22,923 --> 00:10:25,523 All right, look, this is a lot. - Yes, it is. 281 00:10:25,592 --> 00:10:28,560 - Honestly, this sounds like a horror movie. 282 00:10:28,629 --> 00:10:29,928 - Yeah. 283 00:10:29,997 --> 00:10:31,730 - I'm just so glad that you ended up on "Catfish" 284 00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:33,698 and not like, "Cold Case." 285 00:10:33,767 --> 00:10:35,567 This is some creepy [bleep]. 286 00:10:35,636 --> 00:10:36,768 - Yeah. 287 00:10:36,837 --> 00:10:38,269 - What information do you have for her now? 288 00:10:38,338 --> 00:10:39,971 - The Instagram and then, like, the old pictures 289 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,406 that I showed you guys. 290 00:10:41,475 --> 00:10:43,241 - So you don't have any of her phone numbers that you-- 291 00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:44,876 - Mm-mm. - OK, so us the pictures. 292 00:10:44,945 --> 00:10:47,412 Send us this new Instagram that she hit you up from 293 00:10:47,481 --> 00:10:48,380 and whatever else you have. 294 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:49,581 - OK, certainly. 295 00:10:49,650 --> 00:10:50,915 - And we'll do some research tomorrow. 296 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:52,450 We'll see what, if anything, we can find, 297 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:53,618 which might be tricky. 298 00:10:53,687 --> 00:10:55,620 - OK. Thank you guys for coming. 299 00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:57,222 - It's nice to meet you. - Oh, thank you. 300 00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:59,224 - Hopefully, we'll have some information for you. 301 00:10:59,292 --> 00:11:00,725 - Thank you, Nev. I appreciate it. 302 00:11:00,794 --> 00:11:03,762 Have a good night, guys. Thank you. 303 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:07,565 - Oh, my God. - Oh, my God! 304 00:11:07,634 --> 00:11:10,468 This is dark. - That was hard to listen to. 305 00:11:10,537 --> 00:11:13,138 - The fact that she got bullied into-- 306 00:11:13,206 --> 00:11:14,673 - Have a baby. - Get pregnant. 307 00:11:14,741 --> 00:11:17,342 I'm genuinely concerned about getting 308 00:11:17,411 --> 00:11:18,743 involved with this person. 309 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:21,379 This could be the darkest catfish 310 00:11:21,448 --> 00:11:22,947 we've ever had on the show. 311 00:11:24,451 --> 00:11:27,485 [upbeat music] 312 00:11:27,554 --> 00:11:29,287 - Let's do it. - Shall we? 313 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:31,389 - Thank you. 314 00:11:31,458 --> 00:11:33,024 - Hello, you guys. 315 00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:34,192 - Hi! 316 00:11:34,261 --> 00:11:36,861 This place is so cute. 317 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:39,230 - What a set, huh? 318 00:11:39,299 --> 00:11:40,331 - Minimalist. 319 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,268 So I like that. [laughs] 320 00:11:43,336 --> 00:11:46,705 - OK, eight years ago, Shay and Ceejay 321 00:11:46,773 --> 00:11:48,807 really gets serious quickly. 322 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,042 There was so much happening in that first year or two. 323 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:53,178 She was engaged to this girl, she got a ring, 324 00:11:53,246 --> 00:11:55,346 she got her name tattooed on her chest. 325 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:56,915 Ceejay convinced Shay 326 00:11:56,983 --> 00:11:58,750 that they should have a child together 327 00:11:58,819 --> 00:12:00,685 and Shay did. 328 00:12:00,754 --> 00:12:04,322 She found a guy, was having sex based on the-- 329 00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:05,690 - Direction. 330 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:07,759 - Direction of Ceejay, who knew her period chart. 331 00:12:07,828 --> 00:12:09,160 - Oh, my God. 332 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:11,229 - It slowed down. They sort of stopped talking. 333 00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:13,965 But Shay got pregnant with the sperm donor 334 00:12:14,034 --> 00:12:15,800 and had a relationship with him. 335 00:12:15,869 --> 00:12:19,804 But Ceejay is very good at manipulating Shay's feelings. 336 00:12:19,873 --> 00:12:20,905 - Yeah. 337 00:12:20,974 --> 00:12:22,607 - And the abusive behavior hasn't stopped. 338 00:12:22,676 --> 00:12:25,510 Ceejay still is around-- whether it's 339 00:12:25,579 --> 00:12:27,912 through some sneaky Plenty of Fish account 340 00:12:27,981 --> 00:12:29,214 or her new Instagram. 341 00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:30,415 She's not gone away. 342 00:12:30,484 --> 00:12:32,217 And now she wants to meet Shay, 343 00:12:32,285 --> 00:12:34,152 which could be dangerous without our help. 344 00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:35,420 - Right. 345 00:12:35,489 --> 00:12:37,122 There is so much psychological abuse happening 346 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:39,257 to someone who was so vulnerable. 347 00:12:39,326 --> 00:12:43,695 - Yeah, we need Shay to be able to fully move on 348 00:12:43,764 --> 00:12:45,130 and away from Ceejay. 349 00:12:45,198 --> 00:12:46,297 - Yeah. 350 00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:47,832 - Here's our email from Shay. OK. 351 00:12:47,901 --> 00:12:49,234 "Hi, Nev and Tallulah. 352 00:12:49,302 --> 00:12:51,002 "Here's all the recent info I have for Ceejay, 353 00:12:51,071 --> 00:12:52,771 "and also some details I remember. 354 00:12:52,839 --> 00:12:55,373 "Ceejay's full name is Cyannah Samuel. 355 00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:57,408 She should be around 29 or 30." 356 00:12:57,477 --> 00:12:58,843 OK. 357 00:12:58,912 --> 00:13:00,812 "She said she was from New York but living in Georgia. 358 00:13:00,881 --> 00:13:03,214 "I tried to find the address I had for her but I couldn't. 359 00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:05,350 "I do remember sending a package to her 360 00:13:05,418 --> 00:13:07,485 in [bleep]town, Georgia." 361 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:08,787 OK, so that's something. 362 00:13:08,855 --> 00:13:10,989 "The Instagram she recently reached out to me was--" 363 00:13:11,057 --> 00:13:13,191 oh, Ceejay Samuel, interesting. 364 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,627 "Ceejay introduced me to a bunch of family members. 365 00:13:15,695 --> 00:13:17,962 "Her mom used to text me quite a lot. 366 00:13:18,031 --> 00:13:19,831 "Her name was Dominique. 367 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:23,434 The 'Nique' tattoo on Ceejay's chest was for her." 368 00:13:23,503 --> 00:13:24,803 - Right. - "I'm attaching pics. 369 00:13:24,871 --> 00:13:26,104 "I hope this is enough information 370 00:13:26,173 --> 00:13:27,539 "for you to find some answers. 371 00:13:27,607 --> 00:13:29,174 Thanks again, Shay." 372 00:13:29,242 --> 00:13:31,309 Let's run a picture of this girl. 373 00:13:31,378 --> 00:13:34,012 I have a feeling it's gonna come back quickly. 374 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,147 There she is. That's definitely the tattoo. 375 00:13:36,216 --> 00:13:38,183 - Yeah, definitely the girl. - That's definitely her. 376 00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:40,852 Let's see. What is this? 377 00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:42,954 So this is a hair account. - Yeah. 378 00:13:43,023 --> 00:13:45,056 "Nique So Fine came through last night for a cut." 379 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:46,524 So this-- - That person-- 380 00:13:46,593 --> 00:13:49,828 - Girl's Instagram account is Nique So Fine and not-- 381 00:13:49,896 --> 00:13:51,129 both: Ceejay Samuels. 382 00:13:51,198 --> 00:13:52,831 - Right. Let's check out her page. 383 00:13:52,899 --> 00:13:54,132 Oh. - Holy [bleep]. 384 00:13:54,201 --> 00:13:55,300 - That's her. 385 00:13:55,368 --> 00:13:57,235 OK, so... - Riverdale, Georgia. 386 00:13:57,304 --> 00:13:59,237 Born in 1992. 387 00:13:59,306 --> 00:14:00,905 - She's 30. - 30. 388 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:03,975 Alise Dominique. - Oh, [bleep]. 389 00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:06,411 - OK, so we've now confirmed the girl in the picture's name 390 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,147 is Alise Dominique Corbal. 391 00:14:09,216 --> 00:14:11,249 - There's an OnlyFans. - Oh, really? 392 00:14:11,318 --> 00:14:13,084 I'll just open OnlyFans on my phone. 393 00:14:13,153 --> 00:14:14,452 - I've never been on OnlyFans before. 394 00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:15,753 - Really? - Yeah. 395 00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:18,189 - Oh, yeah. - Last seen yesterday. 396 00:14:18,258 --> 00:14:20,058 - Wow. So this is very active. 397 00:14:20,126 --> 00:14:21,926 If Dominique's her middle name, she goes by Nique, 398 00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:24,028 that means that Ceejay convinced her to get 399 00:14:24,097 --> 00:14:25,430 a tattoo on her chest of-- 400 00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:26,931 - A name that's not even-- 401 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,166 oh, my God. 402 00:14:28,235 --> 00:14:30,268 - I mean, that's-- - Diabolical. 403 00:14:30,337 --> 00:14:32,937 That's so [bleep] up. That's like a fake name. 404 00:14:33,006 --> 00:14:35,373 - Yeah, I mean, she was gonna have a baby with this person 405 00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:37,542 who was totally lying to her. 406 00:14:37,611 --> 00:14:39,377 - Have we looked at the Instagram 407 00:14:39,446 --> 00:14:41,412 that she just reached out to Shay on? 408 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:44,048 - Oh. Let's go to that. 409 00:14:44,117 --> 00:14:48,019 OK, so--OK, so this page has like very little on it. 410 00:14:48,088 --> 00:14:49,687 - Yeah. - Oh, look. 411 00:14:49,756 --> 00:14:51,923 "We was so in love," she said. 412 00:14:51,992 --> 00:14:53,758 - There's more photos. 413 00:14:53,827 --> 00:14:55,260 - But these are old. 414 00:14:55,328 --> 00:14:57,462 OK, all of these pictures were posted on the same day. 415 00:14:57,530 --> 00:15:00,531 So she's posting all the old pictures and texts 416 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,234 that they had sent each other from when they were talking. 417 00:15:03,303 --> 00:15:05,470 So this is like, a weird, like, memory lane-- 418 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:06,871 - Memory lane photo album. 419 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,073 - Weird that she's still posting these things. 420 00:15:09,142 --> 00:15:10,375 OK, wait. 421 00:15:10,443 --> 00:15:13,144 This has only one follower. 422 00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:16,648 Who's this one person that would even be on her page? 423 00:15:16,716 --> 00:15:18,149 - April [bleep]. 424 00:15:18,218 --> 00:15:21,619 - Who is she? Why is she on this page? 425 00:15:21,688 --> 00:15:23,922 Like, why would this middle-aged woman 426 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:25,490 be on this page? 427 00:15:25,558 --> 00:15:27,992 - Oh, this is so rough. 428 00:15:28,061 --> 00:15:30,061 - She made this account-- - Oh, my God. 429 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:31,996 - It has to be her. 430 00:15:32,065 --> 00:15:33,564 Who is this? We got to look her up. 431 00:15:33,633 --> 00:15:35,533 - We got to look her up. Oh, my God. 432 00:15:35,602 --> 00:15:38,136 - Is this-- - This is so creepy. 433 00:15:38,204 --> 00:15:40,171 - Ceejay? - Georgia. 434 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,074 - OK. Married since 2001. 435 00:15:43,143 --> 00:15:44,709 This does feel like a real page. 436 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:48,579 She's got her husband, looks like they may have a son. 437 00:15:48,648 --> 00:15:51,516 I mean, is this Ceejay? 438 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:53,351 This is giving me 439 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:56,421 weird original "Catfish" documentary vibes. 440 00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:57,922 - Yeah. 441 00:15:57,991 --> 00:16:00,291 - Because the woman who was talking to me pretending to be 442 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,961 a much younger girl and a number of other people, 443 00:16:03,029 --> 00:16:06,631 was also married and also cared for children. 444 00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:09,634 And I'm just seeing this woman's life, and it's-- 445 00:16:09,703 --> 00:16:11,803 - Yeah. So then what's the move? 446 00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:13,438 Do you message her, or do you try 447 00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:14,839 to find someone who knows her? 448 00:16:14,908 --> 00:16:16,441 - We could message her and-- 449 00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:17,976 - Just kind of get a temp check? 450 00:16:18,044 --> 00:16:20,244 - Right. So let's message her here. 451 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:22,347 Hey, April. 452 00:16:22,415 --> 00:16:24,082 This is Nev from the TV show, "Catfish." 453 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:26,451 We randomly came across you while doing some research, 454 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,853 and we're hoping you could jump on a call and help us out. 455 00:16:28,922 --> 00:16:31,055 Let me know if you're available this afternoon, thanks. 456 00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:33,024 - ♪ Bah, bah, bah ♪ 457 00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:36,060 - I feel like we've got enough now to go talk to Shay. 458 00:16:36,129 --> 00:16:38,363 The girl in the pictures is not who she's talking to. 459 00:16:38,431 --> 00:16:39,664 That is someone else. 460 00:16:39,733 --> 00:16:41,265 - Alise. - Right. 461 00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:46,337 So is all of the drama that Shay experienced 462 00:16:46,406 --> 00:16:49,674 in relation to Ceejay the insane creation 463 00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,209 of this one woman, April? 464 00:16:51,277 --> 00:16:56,147 Or was it April and somebody or some other people? 465 00:16:56,216 --> 00:16:57,115 - Yeah. 466 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:58,483 If this is what it is, 467 00:16:58,551 --> 00:17:00,918 and we shatter this reality for Shay, 468 00:17:00,987 --> 00:17:02,854 how do you come back from that? 469 00:17:02,922 --> 00:17:04,655 How do you trust anyone in the world again? 470 00:17:06,159 --> 00:17:08,760 - OK. Let's do it. 471 00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:12,096 She said to come on in when we get here. 472 00:17:12,165 --> 00:17:13,431 Hello. - Hi. 473 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:14,866 - Hi. - How are you? 474 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:17,001 - Good to see you. - Hi. 475 00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:18,636 How are you feeling? - A little nervous. 476 00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:20,104 - Yeah. - Had a rough night. 477 00:17:20,173 --> 00:17:21,339 - Yeah? 478 00:17:21,408 --> 00:17:22,407 - I was, like, up crying for a couple hours. 479 00:17:22,475 --> 00:17:23,674 You know, it's a lot. 480 00:17:23,743 --> 00:17:25,410 - Just kind of going back through everything? 481 00:17:25,478 --> 00:17:27,078 - Yeah, so we'll see. 482 00:17:27,147 --> 00:17:28,246 - Well, we have some information. 483 00:17:28,314 --> 00:17:29,514 Why don't we-- - Take a seat? 484 00:17:29,582 --> 00:17:32,517 - Have a seat. - OK. 485 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:35,119 - OK, so the first place we started 486 00:17:35,188 --> 00:17:36,854 was we took the photos that you had, 487 00:17:36,923 --> 00:17:38,356 and we did an image search. 488 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:40,024 Came back with some hits. 489 00:17:40,093 --> 00:17:43,294 We followed this photo to this Instagram, 490 00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:45,930 but look at the name on it. 491 00:17:45,999 --> 00:17:48,299 - Yes. - Alise Dominique. 492 00:17:48,368 --> 00:17:50,001 So this jumped out at us because-- 493 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:51,469 - The tattoo. 494 00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:54,072 - Her tattoo says Nique, which you said 495 00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:55,206 was supposed to be her-- 496 00:17:55,275 --> 00:17:57,008 - Mom's name. - Mom's name. 497 00:17:57,077 --> 00:17:58,910 But clearly, it's this girl's name. 498 00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:00,378 - Oh, wow. 499 00:18:00,447 --> 00:18:04,782 - We also found an OnlyFans. 500 00:18:04,851 --> 00:18:06,217 - OK. 501 00:18:06,286 --> 00:18:09,520 - Again with the Nique screen name, active yesterday. 502 00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:11,889 - Hm. - So that's who that girl is. 503 00:18:11,958 --> 00:18:13,324 - Yeah. 504 00:18:13,393 --> 00:18:15,726 - She has an OnlyFans account, She has an Instagram. 505 00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:19,330 She has a whole life that is not in any way connected to-- 506 00:18:19,399 --> 00:18:20,698 - To what we had. 507 00:18:20,767 --> 00:18:21,899 - To what you had. 508 00:18:21,968 --> 00:18:23,668 - Eight years, like, how could you go on 509 00:18:23,736 --> 00:18:27,572 with all the lies and, like, still sleep good at night? 510 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,006 - Mm-hmm. 511 00:18:29,075 --> 00:18:31,375 - After we found this, we thought, all right. 512 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:34,245 Let's go to the new Instagram account 513 00:18:34,314 --> 00:18:36,280 that Ceejay just popped back up on. 514 00:18:36,349 --> 00:18:38,716 We noticed that there's only one follower, 515 00:18:38,785 --> 00:18:40,384 and that we thought was weird. 516 00:18:40,453 --> 00:18:42,553 We were like, who follows this page? 517 00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:45,389 And there's just one lady named April. 518 00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:47,058 - I've never heard of her. 519 00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:48,693 - Now, obviously, there's a lot of things 520 00:18:48,761 --> 00:18:50,094 that are weird about this account. 521 00:18:50,163 --> 00:18:51,529 - Right. 522 00:18:51,598 --> 00:18:52,897 - Everything about this page is [bleep] weird. 523 00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:54,098 - Yes. 524 00:18:54,167 --> 00:18:55,466 - Perhaps only made weirder by the fact 525 00:18:55,535 --> 00:18:57,068 that only one person follows it. 526 00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:58,269 - Right. 527 00:18:58,338 --> 00:18:59,537 - Why would anyone even know about it? 528 00:18:59,606 --> 00:19:00,771 - Correct. 529 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,941 - And it's this random woman named April. 530 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:06,844 So we Googled her, and we found her Facebook page. 531 00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:08,346 OK? - Oh, wow. 532 00:19:08,414 --> 00:19:12,617 - April seems like a very normal, nice lady. 533 00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:14,018 She's married. She's got kids. 534 00:19:14,087 --> 00:19:16,554 Does any of this seem familiar, or does any of it-- 535 00:19:16,623 --> 00:19:18,623 - No. - Ring any bells? 536 00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:19,724 - Mm-mm. - OK. 537 00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:23,027 Could it be that this is who 538 00:19:23,096 --> 00:19:24,462 you were talking to that whole time? 539 00:19:24,531 --> 00:19:26,797 - OK. If it is her, why? 540 00:19:26,866 --> 00:19:27,832 - Why? 541 00:19:27,901 --> 00:19:29,100 - Of everything we found, 542 00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:31,035 the fact that there's this one strange woman 543 00:19:31,104 --> 00:19:33,304 who follows the fake, new account. 544 00:19:33,373 --> 00:19:34,739 - She's involved. 545 00:19:34,807 --> 00:19:36,641 - There's a lot of arrows pointing at this woman. 546 00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:39,610 Could she be involved? Could it be her? 547 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,946 We messaged her, but we haven't heard back, 548 00:19:42,015 --> 00:19:43,314 and that's where we're at. 549 00:19:43,383 --> 00:19:44,749 And now we kind of want to sort of check in 550 00:19:44,817 --> 00:19:46,083 and see what you think. 551 00:19:46,152 --> 00:19:50,154 - I'm just ready to finally-- to get the answers. 552 00:19:50,223 --> 00:19:53,057 - I mean, why would someone who says they love you 553 00:19:53,126 --> 00:19:56,160 tell you to tattoo a name that has nothing to do-- 554 00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:57,328 - To do with them. 555 00:19:57,397 --> 00:19:59,664 - Is that just some [bleep] up game 556 00:19:59,732 --> 00:20:03,668 to see if they can get you to do something just for fun? 557 00:20:03,736 --> 00:20:05,002 - Probably at that time for them, 558 00:20:05,071 --> 00:20:06,404 yeah, but for me, it wasn't. 559 00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:08,739 - And if that person was a 40-year-old woman, 560 00:20:08,808 --> 00:20:11,008 like, messing with a teenager? 561 00:20:11,077 --> 00:20:13,077 - Like, shame on them. - Yeah. 562 00:20:13,146 --> 00:20:14,412 [phone ringing] - Oh. 563 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,980 We're getting a call. 564 00:20:16,049 --> 00:20:17,148 Hello. 565 00:20:20,019 --> 00:20:21,452 - Yeah, I think so. 566 00:20:21,521 --> 00:20:23,487 How you doing? 567 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:24,822 - Great. 568 00:20:24,891 --> 00:20:28,926 We are doing a little research on a case here, 569 00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:33,831 and it led us to an account for someone named Ceejay Samuel. 570 00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:38,269 - Oh, well, and that led us to you because you're 571 00:20:38,338 --> 00:20:42,640 the only person who currently follows an account for Ceejay. 572 00:20:43,443 --> 00:20:45,576 - And we were just curious how you know her. 573 00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:53,751 - You were neighbors? 574 00:21:02,862 --> 00:21:05,463 - Do you remember any sort of defining characteristics 575 00:21:05,531 --> 00:21:08,165 about her, like any tattoos? 576 00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:15,006 - Where is that tattoo, do you remember? 577 00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:17,108 - Like her chest? 578 00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:22,947 - OK, I will be in touch if anything else comes up, 579 00:21:23,016 --> 00:21:25,449 and obviously, I'll let her know that you're trying 580 00:21:25,518 --> 00:21:27,652 to get back in touch with her. 581 00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:31,789 - OK, you too, April. 582 00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:33,257 - Bye-bye. 583 00:21:33,326 --> 00:21:36,794 She's lying, unless we're totally wrong here, right? 584 00:21:36,863 --> 00:21:39,930 - I mean, that was very weird. 585 00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:41,999 Sus, sus, sus, sus. 586 00:21:42,068 --> 00:21:44,568 - I don't--I'm not buying it. - I'm not buying it. 587 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,504 - I've never heard that voice. - Well, right. 588 00:21:46,572 --> 00:21:47,805 I mean, she has a very-- 589 00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:49,440 - That's an older, country voice. 590 00:21:49,509 --> 00:21:50,574 - Right. 591 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,443 Is it possible that that lady could-- 592 00:21:52,512 --> 00:21:54,011 - But I've never heard that voice before. 593 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,646 - I had a relationship with a 40-year-old woman 594 00:21:55,715 --> 00:21:57,381 that I thought was 19 because she changed her voice 595 00:21:57,450 --> 00:22:00,351 and made it sound younger and softer. 596 00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:02,553 - Getting creepy now. 597 00:22:04,257 --> 00:22:05,790 - So, OK. 598 00:22:05,858 --> 00:22:08,025 We could try to reach out to Ceejay now. 599 00:22:08,094 --> 00:22:09,760 - Should I try to call her? 600 00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:11,629 - Can you call someone on Instagram now? 601 00:22:11,698 --> 00:22:13,431 - You can. - Shall we try? 602 00:22:13,499 --> 00:22:14,765 - Try. 603 00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:16,600 [line trilling] 604 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:18,035 [dramatic music] 605 00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:24,375 - This is Shay. 606 00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:28,379 - I was trying to see if you wanted to meet up. 607 00:22:32,185 --> 00:22:33,751 - OK. 608 00:22:35,421 --> 00:22:37,421 - Where are you located? 609 00:22:39,726 --> 00:22:41,892 - What part of Georgia are you in? 610 00:22:42,495 --> 00:22:43,994 - You're in Atlanta. OK, great. 611 00:22:44,063 --> 00:22:47,164 So I'm with "Catfish," so they're going 612 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:49,800 to help us meet each other. 613 00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:51,736 - Hey, Ceejay, it's Nev, here. 614 00:22:51,804 --> 00:22:54,839 Shay told us you reached out and wanted to meet. 615 00:22:54,907 --> 00:22:57,775 We just wanted to make sure if we do come to Atlanta 616 00:22:57,844 --> 00:22:59,844 that you are in fact there and that you're serious 617 00:22:59,912 --> 00:23:01,912 about meeting up with her because I know in the past, 618 00:23:01,981 --> 00:23:03,180 there's been talk about meeting up, 619 00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:04,281 but it just hasn't happened. 620 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:05,649 There have been excuses. 621 00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:08,018 So I just want to make sure you're serious this time 622 00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:09,987 about actually getting together. 623 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:24,101 - OK, we'll plan on meeting up with you tomorrow evening. 624 00:23:25,104 --> 00:23:27,605 [phone beeps] - OK. 625 00:23:27,673 --> 00:23:28,873 - That was her, for sure? 626 00:23:28,941 --> 00:23:30,341 - Yes. 627 00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:32,143 - We've heard some very convincing fake voices, 628 00:23:32,211 --> 00:23:34,945 but Ceejay and April sound so different, right? 629 00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:36,313 - Mm-hmm. 630 00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:38,816 - Well, look, at this point, I'm leaning away 631 00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:41,886 from it being April, but we can't rule her out. 632 00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:43,320 - Sure. 633 00:23:43,389 --> 00:23:45,222 - I think it's safe to assume-- 634 00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:47,324 - That she's hiding something, for sure. 635 00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:50,661 - I mean, this woman is a master manipulator. 636 00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:51,996 - Right. 637 00:23:52,064 --> 00:23:53,497 - I think if we want to get to the finish line, 638 00:23:53,566 --> 00:23:54,832 we're just gonna have to play her game. 639 00:23:54,901 --> 00:23:56,300 - Right. 640 00:23:56,969 --> 00:24:00,037 - All right, well, then we'll hit the road in the morning. 641 00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:01,138 - Sounds good. 642 00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:02,406 I've never been on a plane, so... 643 00:24:02,475 --> 00:24:04,241 - Oh, wow. - But I've got you guys. 644 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:05,476 - Yeah. 645 00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,011 - So this will be a first experience for me-- 646 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,546 and I never left Florida, so... 647 00:24:08,614 --> 00:24:10,181 - Well, let's do it, yeah. 648 00:24:10,249 --> 00:24:11,982 - Let's see. 649 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:14,919 I appreciate you guys for coming, 650 00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:16,921 and we'll meet up in the morning. 651 00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:18,823 - Yeah. - OK. 652 00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:22,626 - Who knows what the hell's going on here. 653 00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:25,229 I think we just got to buy the ticket, take the ride. 654 00:24:25,298 --> 00:24:28,199 We're on Ceejay's roller coaster ride right now. 655 00:24:28,267 --> 00:24:30,668 I'm sure there are a couple more twists and turns 656 00:24:30,736 --> 00:24:31,869 before it ends. 657 00:24:31,938 --> 00:24:33,170 - Something's lurking around the corner. 658 00:24:34,674 --> 00:24:35,706 - Hi. 659 00:24:35,775 --> 00:24:36,841 How are you? 660 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,509 - What's up? 661 00:24:38,578 --> 00:24:41,011 - That was a lot of walking. - Good to see you. 662 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,613 - How you doing? - I'm doing good. 663 00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:45,015 - Well, are you ready for your first flight? 664 00:24:45,084 --> 00:24:46,150 - Somewhat. 665 00:24:46,219 --> 00:24:47,418 Hey, Ceejay, this is Nev. 666 00:24:47,487 --> 00:24:48,586 I'm with Shay at the airport now 667 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:50,154 about to get on our flight. 668 00:24:50,223 --> 00:24:52,690 This is her first time flying, and she's super nervous, FYI. 669 00:24:52,758 --> 00:24:54,725 Please send us an address to meet later. 670 00:24:54,794 --> 00:24:56,427 This is a big deal for Shay, and I really hope 671 00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:58,696 you take it seriously and use this as an opportunity 672 00:24:58,764 --> 00:25:00,364 to be real and honest. 673 00:25:00,433 --> 00:25:01,765 - That sounds good. 674 00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:05,035 - Let's do it. - All right, after you. 675 00:25:05,104 --> 00:25:08,439 - ♪ Let's let the ashes fly ♪ 676 00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:10,341 ♪ We'll let the ashes fly ♪ 677 00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:14,211 - ♪ Let's let the ashes fly ♪ 678 00:25:16,215 --> 00:25:19,250 - ♪ Let's let the ashes fly ♪ 679 00:25:19,318 --> 00:25:21,619 - Did it. 680 00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:24,555 ♪ ♪ 681 00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:26,657 It was scary, but I think I could do it again. 682 00:25:26,726 --> 00:25:29,226 - Do you think it was worth it for Ceejay? 683 00:25:30,763 --> 00:25:32,029 - All right. 684 00:25:46,445 --> 00:25:49,280 - I'm kind of curious, like, if she's not the girl 685 00:25:49,348 --> 00:25:51,882 in the picture, then I wonder who she is. 686 00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:54,084 I just don't understand how people could do that 687 00:25:54,153 --> 00:25:55,953 and, like, sleep OK. 688 00:25:56,022 --> 00:25:57,321 - Think about it. 689 00:25:57,390 --> 00:25:58,756 She hasn't really had any consequences. 690 00:25:58,824 --> 00:26:00,958 - Kind of getting butterflies now. 691 00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:02,960 [dramatic music] 692 00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:04,695 - We are getting close. 693 00:26:04,764 --> 00:26:06,931 - My heart is, like, pounding. - Yeah. 694 00:26:06,999 --> 00:26:09,800 - All right. 695 00:26:09,869 --> 00:26:11,902 This is it. - OK. 696 00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:16,340 ♪ ♪ 697 00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:17,775 - There's definitely people. 698 00:26:17,843 --> 00:26:19,710 Not really sure who we're looking for. 699 00:26:20,713 --> 00:26:24,214 "We're here. Where are you?" 700 00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:28,986 ♪ ♪ 701 00:26:29,055 --> 00:26:31,188 Is that her? 702 00:26:31,257 --> 00:26:32,356 - Hi. 703 00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:34,124 - You're not Ceejay, right? 704 00:26:36,862 --> 00:26:39,096 - OK, that's creepy. 705 00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:41,065 - I mean... 706 00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:42,433 - Wait a second. 707 00:26:42,501 --> 00:26:44,768 "Hey, I thought I can do this, but I can't. 708 00:26:44,837 --> 00:26:45,836 I'm scared." 709 00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:46,904 - I mean, the whole point-- 710 00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:48,005 - You're not the only one scared. 711 00:26:48,074 --> 00:26:49,506 - Yeah, you're scared too. 712 00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:50,841 - I understand. Can you-- 713 00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:52,109 - She could still come and talk. 714 00:26:52,178 --> 00:26:55,479 - Chat quickly on phone? 715 00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,216 Why don't we just go back to the car anyway 716 00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:00,618 because I guess she's not coming. 717 00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:01,819 - Who knows? 718 00:27:01,887 --> 00:27:02,953 She may not even live in this city. 719 00:27:03,022 --> 00:27:04,655 - We don't even know. 720 00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:08,292 After everything she's put you through, 721 00:27:08,361 --> 00:27:10,861 to say she'll meet us, give us an address, 722 00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:12,396 give us a time. 723 00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,498 - And then she bailed. - It's frustrating. 724 00:27:14,567 --> 00:27:16,066 - We flew all the way here because you promised 725 00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:17,234 you would meet Shay. 726 00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:19,036 After all she's been through in her life, 727 00:27:19,105 --> 00:27:24,675 I think you agree she deserves some honesty 728 00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:28,646 and you will meet us tomorrow. 729 00:27:28,714 --> 00:27:31,181 Here's another example of her choosing 730 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,584 what's best for her over what's best for you. 731 00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:35,386 - Yeah. - So all right. 732 00:27:35,454 --> 00:27:36,920 Well, let's go to the hotel. 733 00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,055 Hopefully, we'll hear from her 734 00:27:38,124 --> 00:27:39,790 about meeting up with her tomorrow. 735 00:27:39,859 --> 00:27:41,025 - Hopefully. 736 00:27:43,129 --> 00:27:44,294 - Hi, guys. 737 00:27:44,363 --> 00:27:45,729 - Good morning. - Good morning. 738 00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:47,931 - I haven't heard back since we left the park yesterday. 739 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,099 So let me check in. 740 00:27:49,168 --> 00:27:53,537 "Good morning. Can you meet us today?" 741 00:27:53,606 --> 00:27:55,906 - What about calling April? 742 00:27:55,975 --> 00:27:58,409 She's the only human being that we spoke to 743 00:27:58,477 --> 00:28:00,210 that may or may not be involved. 744 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:01,712 - All right, let's see. 745 00:28:01,781 --> 00:28:03,313 [line trilling] 746 00:28:03,382 --> 00:28:04,715 - Your call has been forwarded-- 747 00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:05,916 - Let me text. 748 00:28:05,985 --> 00:28:11,555 Just checking in to see if you've 749 00:28:11,624 --> 00:28:16,160 been in touch with Ceejay. 750 00:28:16,228 --> 00:28:17,494 Oh. 751 00:28:17,563 --> 00:28:19,129 She said, "I have not, but I can try 752 00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:20,798 getting in touch with her." 753 00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:23,500 "We're in town and trying to meet up with her. 754 00:28:23,569 --> 00:28:25,869 Do you know how we can get a hold of her?" 755 00:28:25,938 --> 00:28:29,907 She said, "I don't, but I might find out where she is." 756 00:28:29,975 --> 00:28:31,642 Hmm. Oh, she's writing more. 757 00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:33,410 "I tracked her down. 758 00:28:33,479 --> 00:28:35,446 She's at her auntie's." 759 00:28:35,514 --> 00:28:37,314 - What? - Amazing. 760 00:28:37,383 --> 00:28:39,249 She seems like she wants to help, 761 00:28:39,318 --> 00:28:41,452 but also suspiciously-- 762 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,986 - Weird. - Connected. 763 00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:44,054 - Yeah. 764 00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:45,556 "I haven't spoken to her in forever. 765 00:28:45,624 --> 00:28:47,458 Now I can find her within minutes." 766 00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:49,760 - Yeah, a little too easy, right? 767 00:28:49,829 --> 00:28:53,630 "But I know for sure she's at this address. 768 00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,499 "This all needs to end. 769 00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:57,901 She needs to come clean." 770 00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:00,871 Kind of sounds like it could be April this whole time. 771 00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:02,406 - Oh, April. 772 00:29:02,475 --> 00:29:05,409 - "We will be there in an hour." 773 00:29:05,478 --> 00:29:07,444 - Ready to do this? 774 00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:09,646 - I guess so. 775 00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:12,649 - I don't know what to expect anymore, 776 00:29:12,718 --> 00:29:13,851 now that April's involved. 777 00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:15,119 - Right. 778 00:29:15,187 --> 00:29:16,754 - Who knows what we're getting ourselves into. 779 00:29:16,822 --> 00:29:18,589 - It's all or nothing. 780 00:29:18,657 --> 00:29:21,625 [tense music] 781 00:29:21,694 --> 00:29:28,098 ♪ ♪ 782 00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:30,667 - Whenever you're ready. 783 00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:32,402 - We can go. 784 00:29:32,471 --> 00:29:35,572 ♪ ♪ 785 00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:37,541 - Let's see. 786 00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:44,114 ♪ ♪ 787 00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:45,716 - I don't know who the hell she can be. 788 00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:48,051 - Well, she sent us an address. 789 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,257 ♪ ♪ 790 00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:57,027 - Oh, OK. 791 00:29:57,096 --> 00:30:02,900 ♪ ♪ 792 00:30:02,968 --> 00:30:05,903 [door creaks] 793 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:07,671 Ceejay? 794 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:08,772 - Hello. 795 00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:14,311 - Oh, OK. 796 00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:16,814 [dramatic music] 797 00:30:16,882 --> 00:30:19,216 [door creaks] 798 00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,218 Ceejay? 799 00:30:21,287 --> 00:30:23,487 - Hello. - How you doing? 800 00:30:23,556 --> 00:30:25,556 - I'm good. - All right. 801 00:30:25,624 --> 00:30:27,724 ♪ ♪ 802 00:30:27,793 --> 00:30:29,393 Come on over--Ceejay, or-- 803 00:30:29,461 --> 00:30:30,727 - Ceejay. 804 00:30:30,796 --> 00:30:32,830 - All right, well... 805 00:30:32,898 --> 00:30:34,832 ♪ ♪ 806 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,500 This is Tallulah. 807 00:30:36,569 --> 00:30:38,402 - Hi, Tallulah. - Nice to meet you. 808 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:40,404 - You obviously know Shea. 809 00:30:40,472 --> 00:30:42,573 ♪ ♪ 810 00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:46,710 You are and always have been Ceejay? 811 00:30:46,779 --> 00:30:48,579 - Yes, sir. - OK. 812 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:50,848 - Is Ceejay really your name? Because-- 813 00:30:50,916 --> 00:30:52,349 - No. 814 00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:55,285 - Because I tatted Ceejay on me. 815 00:30:55,354 --> 00:31:00,357 - It's just a nickname that I gave myself years ago. 816 00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:02,326 My name's Tae. 817 00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:06,730 - OK, so who is April? 818 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:08,232 - April is a good friend of mine. 819 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,435 - OK, we spoke to her. - OK. 820 00:31:11,503 --> 00:31:13,370 - She clearly was covering for you, 821 00:31:13,439 --> 00:31:15,405 but she told us were here. 822 00:31:15,474 --> 00:31:17,241 - Yeah, she called me and told me 823 00:31:17,309 --> 00:31:18,642 she gave y'all the address. 824 00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:22,679 - OK, yesterday, were you planning on meeting us, or... 825 00:31:22,748 --> 00:31:25,949 - Yeah, but I got scared. 826 00:31:26,018 --> 00:31:28,819 - So with the family members, like, with the Asia, 827 00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:30,687 is that really your sister or-- 828 00:31:30,756 --> 00:31:33,757 - So Asia is actually my cousin. 829 00:31:33,826 --> 00:31:36,793 But my mom ended up adopting her when she was little. 830 00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:39,897 - But she never spoke to Asia. 831 00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:43,400 Asia used to text her from your phone. 832 00:31:43,469 --> 00:31:45,769 Was that her-- - Was that her or was that you? 833 00:31:45,838 --> 00:31:47,905 - That wasn't me. 834 00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:49,439 We used each other phone. 835 00:31:49,508 --> 00:31:50,507 That's what me and my family do. 836 00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:51,942 - Oh, wait. 837 00:31:52,011 --> 00:31:54,044 Using someone's phone to text your friends is one thing. 838 00:31:54,113 --> 00:31:56,613 Using someone's phone and texting their girlfriend-- 839 00:31:56,682 --> 00:31:58,382 - I mean, that's the type of bond they had. 840 00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:59,950 - Yeah, but also, it wasn't just texting like, 841 00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:01,385 "Hey, what's up?" 842 00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:03,754 It was, like, blackmail-- - Manipulating, blackmailing. 843 00:32:03,822 --> 00:32:05,956 - How did she manipulate and blackmail you? 844 00:32:06,025 --> 00:32:08,792 - Well, wasn't it Asia who said you should get the tattoo? 845 00:32:08,861 --> 00:32:09,927 - Yeah. - Yeah. 846 00:32:09,995 --> 00:32:11,328 - So I mean-- 847 00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:13,764 yeah, because when she surprised me with the tattoo, 848 00:32:13,832 --> 00:32:14,798 I was shocked. 849 00:32:14,867 --> 00:32:16,333 - There's no way I'm buying that. 850 00:32:16,402 --> 00:32:17,668 - OK. 851 00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:19,636 - There's no way you didn't know 852 00:32:19,705 --> 00:32:22,973 your cousin/sister had tried to convince her 853 00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:25,242 to get a tattoo with your nickname 854 00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:27,978 that you made up for yourself. 855 00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:30,113 - Um-- - Explain how that makes sense. 856 00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:33,083 - I did not--that was not me. 857 00:32:33,152 --> 00:32:34,518 I don't know what you want me to say. 858 00:32:34,586 --> 00:32:37,220 - Right, well, unfortunately, you're starting off 859 00:32:37,289 --> 00:32:39,356 to us as a total liar. 860 00:32:39,425 --> 00:32:40,958 - OK, well, that's how you feel. 861 00:32:41,026 --> 00:32:41,992 - Well, no, it's not how I feel. 862 00:32:42,061 --> 00:32:43,060 You lied to her. 863 00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:44,261 - I did not lie to her. 864 00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:45,829 Never wanted her to get a tattoo. 865 00:32:45,898 --> 00:32:47,464 She surprised me with the tattoo. 866 00:32:47,533 --> 00:32:49,700 - Bull[bleep]. Here's a better question. 867 00:32:49,768 --> 00:32:53,036 Why did you consistently do unbelievably awful things 868 00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:54,304 to her? 869 00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:56,873 - I mean, don't get me wrong, it was wrong. 870 00:32:56,942 --> 00:32:58,608 It was wrong for what I did. 871 00:32:58,677 --> 00:33:01,511 I really did love you. My feelings was real. 872 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:04,047 It's just like, when I saw you from my real page, 873 00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:06,216 I just knew you wasn't gonna talk to me. 874 00:33:06,285 --> 00:33:07,784 - So the Ceejay page was created 875 00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:11,221 specifically to contact Shay? 876 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:15,025 - So when you planned the kid, and I did all those things-- 877 00:33:15,094 --> 00:33:18,061 - OK, so I feel like me planning the kid with you 878 00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:19,363 was going to be my motivation 879 00:33:19,431 --> 00:33:21,064 to come out and tell you the truth. 880 00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:22,165 Because you're right. 881 00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:23,533 You can't plan a kid with somebody 882 00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:25,669 and just erase it away. 883 00:33:25,738 --> 00:33:27,738 That's why when you told me you didn't know how 884 00:33:27,806 --> 00:33:30,674 you was gonna afford things, I did my best 885 00:33:30,743 --> 00:33:33,010 to do that for you and the baby. 886 00:33:33,078 --> 00:33:34,244 I made it happen. 887 00:33:34,313 --> 00:33:36,546 Car seat, clothes, all that. 888 00:33:36,615 --> 00:33:41,051 Because I felt like it was my responsibility too. 889 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,755 But you came out and told me you didn't want me to be 890 00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:46,523 a part of your child's life because you didn't want 891 00:33:46,592 --> 00:33:48,225 your daughter confused, and you felt like 892 00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:50,427 her real father was supposed to be a part of her life. 893 00:33:50,496 --> 00:33:53,230 It hurted me. You know, it hurted me bad. 894 00:33:53,298 --> 00:33:56,333 But I still did things for that baby, 895 00:33:56,402 --> 00:33:58,802 regardless how heartbroken I was. 896 00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:02,039 - I mean, the reason why I felt like the father should be there 897 00:34:02,107 --> 00:34:04,708 was because my first daughter was 898 00:34:04,777 --> 00:34:07,611 not born when I was with you. 899 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:10,180 - If you add it up, she was a month pregnant. 900 00:34:10,249 --> 00:34:12,349 We only been broken up for a month. 901 00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:14,818 So technically, yeah, you did cheat on me. 902 00:34:14,887 --> 00:34:16,019 - Wait a second. 903 00:34:16,088 --> 00:34:18,021 You're upset because you feel like she 904 00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:19,222 cheated on you with that guy? 905 00:34:19,291 --> 00:34:20,857 - Ain't no feel like. She did! 906 00:34:20,926 --> 00:34:23,226 I have already stated like, yes, I was wrong for lying 907 00:34:23,295 --> 00:34:24,728 to you about my identity. 908 00:34:24,797 --> 00:34:28,598 It ain't no excuses for that, and I regret what I did, 909 00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:30,901 but I really did love you. 910 00:34:30,969 --> 00:34:32,602 You [bleep] around in our relationship. 911 00:34:32,671 --> 00:34:34,004 How the [bleep] was-- how the [bleep]-- 912 00:34:34,073 --> 00:34:35,472 - We weren't together, though. 913 00:34:35,541 --> 00:34:38,842 You do know that we broke up like three months, six months. 914 00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:40,844 You're trying to seem like we were consistent. 915 00:34:40,913 --> 00:34:42,746 - Why would you get in a long-distance relationship 916 00:34:42,815 --> 00:34:44,181 knowing you can't be committed, bro? 917 00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:45,982 You have commitment issues. - That's not the point. 918 00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:47,284 - You have commitment issues. 919 00:34:47,352 --> 00:34:48,685 You know what, I don't want to talk no more, 920 00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:49,753 because she's not even being-- 921 00:34:49,822 --> 00:34:50,954 - Hold on a second, hold on a second. 922 00:34:51,023 --> 00:34:52,122 Please come back here-- 923 00:34:52,191 --> 00:34:53,256 - No, I'm not coming back. 924 00:34:53,325 --> 00:34:54,257 - Well-- 925 00:34:54,326 --> 00:34:55,659 - If she's not gonna be honest, 926 00:34:55,727 --> 00:34:57,327 there's no sense in me standing here being honest. 927 00:34:57,396 --> 00:35:00,497 - You don't get to be upset if she's not being honest 928 00:35:00,566 --> 00:35:02,766 because you've been so dishonest for so long. 929 00:35:02,835 --> 00:35:04,167 - We both got hurt in this situation. 930 00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:05,435 You don't know how I feel. 931 00:35:05,504 --> 00:35:06,837 You don't know what I went through. 932 00:35:06,905 --> 00:35:08,772 - Did you take money out of her bank account? 933 00:35:08,841 --> 00:35:10,440 - Yeah, and I blamed it on my sister 934 00:35:10,509 --> 00:35:11,775 because I didn't want to hurt her. 935 00:35:11,844 --> 00:35:12,843 - Right, just like you-- 936 00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,010 - I didn't want to hurt her more. 937 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:15,112 - Blamed the tattoo thing on your sister. 938 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:16,847 - No. - You put me through a lot. 939 00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:18,915 - You never took responsibility for what you done. 940 00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:20,784 You always point the blame at me. 941 00:35:20,853 --> 00:35:23,620 Be honest. You never once apologized. 942 00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:26,756 You never once felt bad about what you did to me. 943 00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:28,492 She cheated--not just one, Nev. 944 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,061 - We weren't together when these things happened. 945 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:32,596 - Stop lying! - Hold on a second. 946 00:35:32,664 --> 00:35:34,564 - Hold on a second. 947 00:35:36,535 --> 00:35:39,136 ♪ ♪ 948 00:35:39,204 --> 00:35:41,838 - Wait. Shay, hold on. 949 00:35:41,907 --> 00:35:43,240 - Shay. 950 00:35:45,144 --> 00:35:47,043 - Hold on a second. Hold on a second. 951 00:35:47,112 --> 00:35:48,478 - Hold on a second. 952 00:35:49,915 --> 00:35:52,549 [dramatic music] 953 00:35:52,618 --> 00:35:55,218 - Wait, Shay, hold on. 954 00:35:55,287 --> 00:35:57,420 - Shay. 955 00:35:57,489 --> 00:35:59,589 - Hey. 956 00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,491 - Let's take a quick regroup. 957 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,559 - OK. 958 00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:04,494 - You can go inside if you want. 959 00:36:04,563 --> 00:36:07,197 We'll check back in in a minute. 960 00:36:07,266 --> 00:36:10,534 ♪ ♪ 961 00:36:10,602 --> 00:36:13,503 - Just like, take a breath. You're OK. 962 00:36:13,572 --> 00:36:16,273 - Shay, how are you feeling about this? 963 00:36:16,341 --> 00:36:18,208 - That was a lot. 964 00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:19,943 - What do you need in this moment? 965 00:36:20,012 --> 00:36:22,345 Do you feel like you can go home 966 00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,548 and start your life as this being-- 967 00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:25,949 - Yeah. - A chapter behind you. 968 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:27,584 Like, are you open to talking to her ever again? 969 00:36:27,653 --> 00:36:29,553 - I feel like I got what I needed. 970 00:36:29,621 --> 00:36:32,055 And I think this will probably be the last day. 971 00:36:32,124 --> 00:36:33,957 At this moment, I don't want anything. 972 00:36:34,026 --> 00:36:35,225 - OK. 973 00:36:35,294 --> 00:36:37,294 - Go in there and with love and just say, 974 00:36:37,362 --> 00:36:39,396 "This is how this is gonna work for me." 975 00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:41,464 - That sounds good. - Want to go do that? 976 00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:43,133 - Yeah. - OK. 977 00:36:43,202 --> 00:36:48,305 ♪ ♪ 978 00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:50,540 - Place to sit? 979 00:36:52,144 --> 00:36:54,744 - Y'all can sit over there. 980 00:36:54,813 --> 00:36:56,947 - This is good. 981 00:36:57,015 --> 00:36:58,481 OK. 982 00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:01,718 Now that we're sitting and we've expressed 983 00:37:01,787 --> 00:37:05,322 our more sort of volatile, toxic feelings and hurt, 984 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,091 I think it's important to clear up the actions 985 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,694 you admit that you did do. 986 00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:12,629 You've owned up to it being you 987 00:37:12,698 --> 00:37:13,797 that used the money, 988 00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:15,665 despite initially blaming on your sister. 989 00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,234 - Yeah, I blamed it on my sister. 990 00:37:17,302 --> 00:37:20,036 You know, I told Shay it was my sister, 991 00:37:20,105 --> 00:37:22,806 but it was actually me because I didn't want 992 00:37:22,874 --> 00:37:26,710 to seem even more like an asshole, you know, at the time. 993 00:37:26,778 --> 00:37:29,246 So I just blamed it on my sister 994 00:37:29,314 --> 00:37:31,081 to get my name cleared. 995 00:37:31,149 --> 00:37:33,450 - Do you remember why you took the money? 996 00:37:33,518 --> 00:37:35,619 - Well, I was going through a lot then. 997 00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:38,121 I was homeless. 998 00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:41,591 And being with Shay just took my mind off a lot of that. 999 00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:43,660 - I understand she was going through her things, 1000 00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:46,863 but that put me in a jam too 1001 00:37:46,932 --> 00:37:49,299 because I couldn't get grocery, 1002 00:37:49,368 --> 00:37:50,900 and that took from our mouths. 1003 00:37:50,969 --> 00:37:53,536 - Right. - So I'm sorry for that. 1004 00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:55,672 [soft music] 1005 00:37:55,741 --> 00:37:59,442 - Beyond this money thing, you're clearly feeling a lot. 1006 00:37:59,511 --> 00:38:01,544 ♪ ♪ 1007 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:02,879 - I don't know. 1008 00:38:02,948 --> 00:38:05,548 I don't know how we gon' come back from this. 1009 00:38:06,752 --> 00:38:08,918 You know, we both lost. 1010 00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:12,555 You know, I lost somebody that I truly loved... 1011 00:38:20,098 --> 00:38:22,232 I really do regret everything I did to you. 1012 00:38:22,301 --> 00:38:25,669 And that's why I tried to fix it on my own. 1013 00:38:25,737 --> 00:38:30,173 I went to counseling to get over the pain with Shay. 1014 00:38:31,243 --> 00:38:34,644 I stopped doing what I was doing 1015 00:38:34,713 --> 00:38:39,416 because I genuinely regretted hurting you. 1016 00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:42,686 I have always been in love with Shay. 1017 00:38:42,754 --> 00:38:45,588 I don't know if I'm over her, you know? 1018 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:48,325 So I can't have no friendship with her 1019 00:38:48,393 --> 00:38:52,262 because I just don't want to fall back in love with her, 1020 00:38:52,331 --> 00:38:53,730 you know? 1021 00:38:53,799 --> 00:38:55,832 She's a great person, you know? 1022 00:38:55,901 --> 00:38:59,069 I'm not gonna open the wounds up again. 1023 00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:01,338 ♪ ♪ 1024 00:39:01,406 --> 00:39:04,374 - How does it feel to hear that? 1025 00:39:04,443 --> 00:39:05,909 - Shocking. 1026 00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:08,411 Because it's been, like, years. 1027 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,918 And you know, I want you to be able to move on and be happy. 1028 00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:17,587 - Right. 1029 00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:20,857 - So it sounds like maybe giving each other 1030 00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:22,859 some space is a good idea. 1031 00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:24,527 - Right. 1032 00:39:24,596 --> 00:39:26,596 - Yep. 1033 00:39:26,665 --> 00:39:28,598 - So is this goodbye? 1034 00:39:29,468 --> 00:39:31,301 - Yes. 1035 00:39:33,105 --> 00:39:36,373 - Well, I'm glad we were able to do this. 1036 00:39:36,441 --> 00:39:37,540 - Thank you. - Yeah. 1037 00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:39,609 - Thank you. - I appreciate that. 1038 00:39:39,678 --> 00:39:43,046 - ♪ I see the world outside my door ♪ 1039 00:39:43,115 --> 00:39:46,549 ♪ Constant reminder there's so much more... ♪ 1040 00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:47,917 - Well, that's over with. 1041 00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:49,753 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you, Nev. 1042 00:39:49,821 --> 00:39:51,821 - Nice to meet you. 1043 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:53,990 - Same. - Nice to meet you. 1044 00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:56,960 - OK. 1045 00:39:58,697 --> 00:40:00,397 - All right. Take care. 1046 00:40:00,465 --> 00:40:02,899 - Take care. 1047 00:40:02,968 --> 00:40:07,203 - ♪ So when I break down, I list off the reasons ♪ 1048 00:40:07,272 --> 00:40:09,906 - Are you ready to move on now? 1049 00:40:09,975 --> 00:40:12,442 - Yeah, I'm ready to move on. 1050 00:40:12,511 --> 00:40:15,145 I'm much more at peace now. 1051 00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:18,481 - ♪ I'll find a way through the sorrow ♪ 1052 00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:23,153 - I'm ready to--visually meet someone, you know? 1053 00:40:23,221 --> 00:40:25,822 I don't have to keep looking over my shoulder. 1054 00:40:25,891 --> 00:40:32,395 ♪ ♪ 1055 00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:36,266 - ♪ Sleep deprivation's got me at my heels ♪ 1056 00:40:36,334 --> 00:40:38,868 ♪ This year taught me how it feels ♪ 1057 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:41,037 ♪ To be lost and ambitious ♪ 1058 00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:42,639 ♪ I've been on a mission ♪ 1059 00:40:42,707 --> 00:40:46,109 ♪ I won't stop till I'm done ♪ 1060 00:40:50,816 --> 00:40:52,048 - Angela was in a relationship for almost 20 years, 1061 00:40:52,117 --> 00:40:53,082 but that ended. 1062 00:40:53,151 --> 00:40:54,651 Gets into TikTok, and right away, 1063 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,486 she gets a message from a Justin. 1064 00:40:56,555 --> 00:40:58,188 - He always would say, "You're smart, you're pretty." 1065 00:40:58,256 --> 00:40:59,689 - You don't even know how old he is? 1066 00:40:59,758 --> 00:41:01,758 But what's that? - That is a wedding ring. 1067 00:41:01,827 --> 00:41:03,593 - He's married! 1068 00:41:03,662 --> 00:41:06,129 - I'm not feeling so good about this now. 1069 00:41:06,198 --> 00:41:08,331 - Hey. Are you Justin?