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I had to screen the guys.
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She knew when I ovulated.
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She would be like,
"You need to meet up with him."
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And I would be like, "I don't
want to meet up with him."
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- Honestly, this sounds
like a horror movie.
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- Oh.
- Holy [bleep].
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- That's her.
- Oh, my God.
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This is so creepy.
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- Who knows what
we're getting ourselves into.
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- It's all or nothing.
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[dramatic music]
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- Ceejay?
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[dramatic musical sting]
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- All right, welcome back.
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We have another
special guest cohost,
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except this one
you probably remember.
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In fact, this will be her fifth
episode hosting show with me,
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and I'm so thrilled she's back.
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Tallulah Willis, everyone.
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- Hi!
- Hey!
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- New hair.
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- Dude, new hair.
- New vibe.
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- New vibe, I know.
I grew up a little bit.
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I was like a little baby.
Now I'm a woman.
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- We were just reminiscing.
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You were definitely
in some interesting episodes.
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- This is him.
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I had no idea how
to navigate those.
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Obviously, he's into you,
but that's not enough.
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He needs to be wowing you.
- Yeah.
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- You did great.
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- I was pretty
impressed, actually.
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- You ready to do it again?
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- Super excited.
- Let's get to work.
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All right.
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We got something
in the old inbox.
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"Hey, Nev and Tallulah.
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"My name is Shay.
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"I'm 25 years old, and I'm
from Pompano Beach, Florida.
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Eight years ago, I met a girl
on Facebook named Ceejay."
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- ♪ Do you remember
when we used to have it all? ♪
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♪ I could not love you more,
it was not long ago ♪
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- "This was
a whirlwind teenage romance
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"that had more ups and downs
than a roller coaster.
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"I know you help people
who are in love.
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Well, we were in love."
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- ♪ We came
to a crossing road ♪
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♪ And I gave up your hand ♪
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- "So in love that we decided
to have a baby together."
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So wait a second.
- Are they--I'm unclear.
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Have they met?
- I don't know.
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Hold on.
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"But it all went downhill
from there.
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So much bad stuff happened,
I had to end it."
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- ♪ I had to leave,
I had to go ♪
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♪ Before we both
lose all control, oh ♪
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- "But now things
have gotten crazier,
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"and I owe it to myself
to know what happened here.
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"There's so much to tell you,
but if I wrote it all out,
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"it would be a 15-page letter.
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"Long story short,
she never truly goes away,
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"and I'm always looking
over my shoulder.
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"I need to move on
and feel safe.
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Please, please, help me.
Shay."
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Did they have a child together?
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- But they've never met.
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- I feel like we
should just call her.
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- Yeah, there's a lot of gaps.
- Yeah.
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[line trilling]
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- Hello, Shay?
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- It's Nev, from Catfish.
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- I got your email.
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I should tell you, Kamie is not
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doing this episode with me,
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but a fantastic young lady
is in her place named Tallulah.
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So I'm sitting actually
here with Tallulah,
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just so you know.
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- Hi, nice to meet you.
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- I don't know where
to start, honestly.
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Does it work for you
if we come to Pompano Beach,
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and get into this,
and hopefully figure it out?
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- Great.
- Fantastic.
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- I think we can
just fly down there
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tomorrow morning
and meet up.
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- OK, that sounds good.
I'll send you guys an address.
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- All right, great.
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- Perfect.
- See you tomorrow, Shay.
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- See you tomorrow!
- Thank you guys.
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- Bye.
- Bye.
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- Should we pop on
down to Pompano?
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- Pam-pano, Pampano?
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Pampano.
- Pompano.
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- Pompano.
- Yeah.
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- ♪ Me and you ♪
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- We made it, Pompano Beach.
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So Shay and Ceejay.
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Eight years.
- Eight years.
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There's a baby.
- Well--
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- It's a teenage romance.
- I don't think there's a baby.
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- It sounds like this story
is anything but typical.
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- Right.
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- ♪ Just side by side ♪
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♪ So they can call us stereo ♪
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- OK, let's do this.
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Oh.
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both: Hi!
- Hey!
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- How are you?
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- Good, how are you?
- Good.
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- Shay, Shay, Shay.
Go, Shay.
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- Nice to meet you guys.
- Hi, how are you?
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- Thank you guys for coming.
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- Of course, yeah.
- You guys want to come in?
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- Of course, sure.
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- OK, come on.
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- Shall we?
- Yes.
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- So give me the whole--
just give me the whole story.
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- Timeline.
Yeah, we're here, we're here.
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- OK, so basically,
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I met Ceejay on Facebook
in like 2014.
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- Yeah, eight years
is a long time.
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- Yeah.
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She was like messaging me
a few times
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like, "Hey, you're pretty".
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And I was like,
"Oh, she's really pretty."
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Then we moved on
to exchanging numbers.
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After that, we talked on the
phone like the following day
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when I was leaving school.
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- Oh, so that all
went pretty quick.
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- Yeah, and we
instantly just connected.
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[upbeat music]
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- Where is she from?
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- Georgia.
- OK.
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- So I met her family
about three months
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into the relationship.
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- Online, not in person?
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- Yes, online.
- OK.
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I met her mom
and her sister, Asia.
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And her sister actually was,
like, texting me one day
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and was like, "If you love
Ceejay like you say you do,
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you would tat her name on you."
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So I ended up tatting
her name on my chest.
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And then I called her
and sent her the picture
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while we were on the phone.
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And I'm like--
- Hold on.
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You tattooed a girl's name
on your chest
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that you'd never met,
never FaceTimed with...
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- Mm-hmm.
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- And didn't even
know it was real?
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- Yes.
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I was in love with her,
you know?
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- But why would you even
listen to the sister?
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- I was worried that,
like, she would tell her
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all these things
and then, you know,
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me and her would break up.
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- Is it still there?
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- Well, I covered it
about two years ago.
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- Wow.
- Yeah.
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- Crazy.
OK, so keep going.
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- Yeah, so still
within that first year period,
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she sent a ring
and asked me to marry her.
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- And let me guess,
you say yes.
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- Yes.
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Like, I wore it
like I was engaged.
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- And you told
your friends and family?
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- Mm-hmm.
- That's insane.
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- I know.
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- And you've never
videochatted?
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- We tried
to videochat a few times,
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but she would have excuses.
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Like her phone was broke
or her front camera was broke.
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- Ding, ding, ding.
- She couldn't see me.
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- But you're still excited
because this woman
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seems great and seems to really
love you and she's beautiful?
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- Yes.
We started making huge plans.
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Almost a year in,
we decided to have a kid.
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- So what was the plan?
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- I had to, like,
basically screen the guys.
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Like, one guy I met, I sent
her a picture of me and him.
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And she would give approval.
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- So this isn't like the online
database for sperm donors.
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This is live human man.
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- She kept pushing
the issue like,
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"Oh, you know,
you need to meet up with him,"
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and I would be like, "I don't
want to meet up with him."
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- Wow.
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- She knew when I ovulated.
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She actually had
a tracker on her phone.
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She would be like,
"You need to go now
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because you're high
in that fertility range."
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- This is [bleep] creepy.
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Did you talk
to this guy and say,
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"Hey, I just want
to let you know..."
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- This is the situation.
- "I've got a girlfriend."
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- I told him what the plan was,
that I had a girlfriend,
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and we were trying
to plan a kid.
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- OK.
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- So I met this one guy.
We started hanging out.
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But because at that time,
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me and Ceejay
weren't on good terms,
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she was like verbally abusive
and mentally draining.
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So I kind of got
romantically involved with him
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in the breaks of me and her.
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- So you actually developed
feelings for him...
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- Mm-hmm.
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- Even though he initially
started just as a potential--
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- Sperm man.
- Sperm donor.
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- Pretty much.
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But then I still ended up
getting pregnant.
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- Wow.
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- And then we basically didn't
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have a good relationship
from there.
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He ended up leaving.
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And then Ceejay did step up
and start sending me
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things for the baby.
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- Like what?
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- She sent me a car seat,
baby bag, clothes.
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- All right,
so that's kind of nice.
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- Yeah, but there's time
about three months
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into the relationship
when I was the one
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that was there for her
when she needed money.
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- You sent her money?
- Yeah.
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At one point at time,
I gave her my card.
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So she'll be like,
"Oh, I'm ordering pizza."
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- What?
Your bank card?
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- Yeah.
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And one day I went
to the store,
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and my card declined.
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I had $0.
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And then when I called her
and asked her about it,
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she said it was
her sister, Asia,
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and that she
was gonna handle it.
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And I guess her and Asia
apparently got into a fight.
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- So she's never paid you back,
I presume?
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- Mm-mm.
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- OK, so fast forward
and you have this baby.
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- And me and her
were still on and off.
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You know, we wouldn't talk
for like three or four months,
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and then she'll pop
back out of the blue.
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But then I told her
I was pregnant again.
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- Wait a second.
How did that happen?
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- My--I guess you
could say boyfriend,
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we ended up, like, getting
back romantically involved.
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- So you got back together
with your baby daddy.
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- Yes.
And then Ceejay, she was upset.
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And when she's hurt,
she tends to say hurtful things
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to me,
like tell me she hates me,
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call me names, threaten me.
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And after that,
I completely cut her off.
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But once I cut her off,
she stalked me
250
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for like over a year.
251
00:09:21,762 --> 00:09:22,928
- What does that mean?
252
00:09:22,996 --> 00:09:24,362
- Like, for example,
I had a PoF,
253
00:09:24,431 --> 00:09:27,165
and someone wrote me
on PoF named Brit.
254
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And then out of the blue,
Ceejay wrote me
255
00:09:29,169 --> 00:09:32,370
on Brit's page and was like,
I had her reach out to you
256
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because I couldn't contact you.
257
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- OK, crazy.
258
00:09:35,309 --> 00:09:38,209
- There was always, some way,
somehow contacting me.
259
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It has affected me
in like a lot of ways.
260
00:09:40,847 --> 00:09:44,649
I'm afraid to date online
because it was multiple people.
261
00:09:44,718 --> 00:09:46,051
- Oh, my God.
262
00:09:46,119 --> 00:09:48,987
- And then I got a message
on IG a few weeks ago
263
00:09:49,056 --> 00:09:52,223
of her saying, like, "Hey,
I know it's been a few years,
264
00:09:52,292 --> 00:09:53,858
but I want to meet you."
265
00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,328
- So after all these years,
that's why you emailed us now?
266
00:09:56,396 --> 00:09:57,862
- That's when you
reached out to "Catfish."
267
00:09:57,931 --> 00:09:59,030
- Yeah.
- I'm glad you did.
268
00:09:59,099 --> 00:10:00,732
This could be dangerous
without us.
269
00:10:00,801 --> 00:10:02,500
Can we see a picture of--
- Yeah.
270
00:10:02,569 --> 00:10:07,072
- Ceejay?
- So these are like a few pics.
271
00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:09,341
- OK, well she's very pretty.
272
00:10:09,409 --> 00:10:11,176
What does it say on her chest?
273
00:10:11,244 --> 00:10:12,444
- Nique.
274
00:10:12,512 --> 00:10:14,012
She told me
that was her mom's name.
275
00:10:14,081 --> 00:10:15,447
- OK.
276
00:10:15,515 --> 00:10:16,715
Wow, OK.
277
00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:18,683
Well, you know,
I can understand, obviously,
278
00:10:18,752 --> 00:10:21,086
as a 16-year-old seeing
pictures of that woman
279
00:10:21,154 --> 00:10:22,854
and being, like, into her.
280
00:10:22,923 --> 00:10:25,523
All right, look, this is a lot.
- Yes, it is.
281
00:10:25,592 --> 00:10:28,560
- Honestly, this sounds
like a horror movie.
282
00:10:28,629 --> 00:10:29,928
- Yeah.
283
00:10:29,997 --> 00:10:31,730
- I'm just so glad
that you ended up on "Catfish"
284
00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:33,698
and not like, "Cold Case."
285
00:10:33,767 --> 00:10:35,567
This is some creepy [bleep].
286
00:10:35,636 --> 00:10:36,768
- Yeah.
287
00:10:36,837 --> 00:10:38,269
- What information
do you have for her now?
288
00:10:38,338 --> 00:10:39,971
- The Instagram and then,
like, the old pictures
289
00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,406
that I showed you guys.
290
00:10:41,475 --> 00:10:43,241
- So you don't have any
of her phone numbers that you--
291
00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:44,876
- Mm-mm.
- OK, so us the pictures.
292
00:10:44,945 --> 00:10:47,412
Send us this new Instagram
that she hit you up from
293
00:10:47,481 --> 00:10:48,380
and whatever else you have.
294
00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:49,581
- OK, certainly.
295
00:10:49,650 --> 00:10:50,915
- And we'll do
some research tomorrow.
296
00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:52,450
We'll see what,
if anything, we can find,
297
00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:53,618
which might be tricky.
298
00:10:53,687 --> 00:10:55,620
- OK.
Thank you guys for coming.
299
00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:57,222
- It's nice to meet you.
- Oh, thank you.
300
00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:59,224
- Hopefully, we'll have
some information for you.
301
00:10:59,292 --> 00:11:00,725
- Thank you, Nev.
I appreciate it.
302
00:11:00,794 --> 00:11:03,762
Have a good night, guys.
Thank you.
303
00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:07,565
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, my God!
304
00:11:07,634 --> 00:11:10,468
This is dark.
- That was hard to listen to.
305
00:11:10,537 --> 00:11:13,138
- The fact
that she got bullied into--
306
00:11:13,206 --> 00:11:14,673
- Have a baby.
- Get pregnant.
307
00:11:14,741 --> 00:11:17,342
I'm genuinely concerned
about getting
308
00:11:17,411 --> 00:11:18,743
involved with this person.
309
00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:21,379
This could be
the darkest catfish
310
00:11:21,448 --> 00:11:22,947
we've ever had on the show.
311
00:11:24,451 --> 00:11:27,485
[upbeat music]
312
00:11:27,554 --> 00:11:29,287
- Let's do it.
- Shall we?
313
00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:31,389
- Thank you.
314
00:11:31,458 --> 00:11:33,024
- Hello, you guys.
315
00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:34,192
- Hi!
316
00:11:34,261 --> 00:11:36,861
This place is so cute.
317
00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:39,230
- What a set, huh?
318
00:11:39,299 --> 00:11:40,331
- Minimalist.
319
00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,268
So I like that.
[laughs]
320
00:11:43,336 --> 00:11:46,705
- OK, eight years ago,
Shay and Ceejay
321
00:11:46,773 --> 00:11:48,807
really gets serious quickly.
322
00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,042
There was so much happening
in that first year or two.
323
00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:53,178
She was engaged to this girl,
she got a ring,
324
00:11:53,246 --> 00:11:55,346
she got her name tattooed
on her chest.
325
00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:56,915
Ceejay convinced Shay
326
00:11:56,983 --> 00:11:58,750
that they should
have a child together
327
00:11:58,819 --> 00:12:00,685
and Shay did.
328
00:12:00,754 --> 00:12:04,322
She found a guy,
was having sex based on the--
329
00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:05,690
- Direction.
330
00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:07,759
- Direction of Ceejay,
who knew her period chart.
331
00:12:07,828 --> 00:12:09,160
- Oh, my God.
332
00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:11,229
- It slowed down.
They sort of stopped talking.
333
00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:13,965
But Shay got pregnant
with the sperm donor
334
00:12:14,034 --> 00:12:15,800
and had a relationship
with him.
335
00:12:15,869 --> 00:12:19,804
But Ceejay is very good at
manipulating Shay's feelings.
336
00:12:19,873 --> 00:12:20,905
- Yeah.
337
00:12:20,974 --> 00:12:22,607
- And the abusive
behavior hasn't stopped.
338
00:12:22,676 --> 00:12:25,510
Ceejay still is around--
whether it's
339
00:12:25,579 --> 00:12:27,912
through some sneaky
Plenty of Fish account
340
00:12:27,981 --> 00:12:29,214
or her new Instagram.
341
00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:30,415
She's not gone away.
342
00:12:30,484 --> 00:12:32,217
And now she wants
to meet Shay,
343
00:12:32,285 --> 00:12:34,152
which could be dangerous
without our help.
344
00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:35,420
- Right.
345
00:12:35,489 --> 00:12:37,122
There is so much
psychological abuse happening
346
00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:39,257
to someone
who was so vulnerable.
347
00:12:39,326 --> 00:12:43,695
- Yeah, we need Shay
to be able to fully move on
348
00:12:43,764 --> 00:12:45,130
and away from Ceejay.
349
00:12:45,198 --> 00:12:46,297
- Yeah.
350
00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:47,832
- Here's our email from Shay.
OK.
351
00:12:47,901 --> 00:12:49,234
"Hi, Nev and Tallulah.
352
00:12:49,302 --> 00:12:51,002
"Here's all the recent info
I have for Ceejay,
353
00:12:51,071 --> 00:12:52,771
"and also some details
I remember.
354
00:12:52,839 --> 00:12:55,373
"Ceejay's full name
is Cyannah Samuel.
355
00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:57,408
She should be around 29 or 30."
356
00:12:57,477 --> 00:12:58,843
OK.
357
00:12:58,912 --> 00:13:00,812
"She said she was from New York
but living in Georgia.
358
00:13:00,881 --> 00:13:03,214
"I tried to find the address
I had for her but I couldn't.
359
00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:05,350
"I do remember sending
a package to her
360
00:13:05,418 --> 00:13:07,485
in [bleep]town, Georgia."
361
00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:08,787
OK, so that's something.
362
00:13:08,855 --> 00:13:10,989
"The Instagram she recently
reached out to me was--"
363
00:13:11,057 --> 00:13:13,191
oh, Ceejay Samuel, interesting.
364
00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,627
"Ceejay introduced me
to a bunch of family members.
365
00:13:15,695 --> 00:13:17,962
"Her mom used
to text me quite a lot.
366
00:13:18,031 --> 00:13:19,831
"Her name was Dominique.
367
00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:23,434
The 'Nique' tattoo
on Ceejay's chest was for her."
368
00:13:23,503 --> 00:13:24,803
- Right.
- "I'm attaching pics.
369
00:13:24,871 --> 00:13:26,104
"I hope this
is enough information
370
00:13:26,173 --> 00:13:27,539
"for you to find some answers.
371
00:13:27,607 --> 00:13:29,174
Thanks again, Shay."
372
00:13:29,242 --> 00:13:31,309
Let's run a picture
of this girl.
373
00:13:31,378 --> 00:13:34,012
I have a feeling
it's gonna come back quickly.
374
00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,147
There she is.
That's definitely the tattoo.
375
00:13:36,216 --> 00:13:38,183
- Yeah, definitely the girl.
- That's definitely her.
376
00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:40,852
Let's see.
What is this?
377
00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:42,954
So this is a hair account.
- Yeah.
378
00:13:43,023 --> 00:13:45,056
"Nique So Fine came through
last night for a cut."
379
00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:46,524
So this--
- That person--
380
00:13:46,593 --> 00:13:49,828
- Girl's Instagram account
is Nique So Fine and not--
381
00:13:49,896 --> 00:13:51,129
both: Ceejay Samuels.
382
00:13:51,198 --> 00:13:52,831
- Right.
Let's check out her page.
383
00:13:52,899 --> 00:13:54,132
Oh.
- Holy [bleep].
384
00:13:54,201 --> 00:13:55,300
- That's her.
385
00:13:55,368 --> 00:13:57,235
OK, so...
- Riverdale, Georgia.
386
00:13:57,304 --> 00:13:59,237
Born in 1992.
387
00:13:59,306 --> 00:14:00,905
- She's 30.
- 30.
388
00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:03,975
Alise Dominique.
- Oh, [bleep].
389
00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:06,411
- OK, so we've now confirmed
the girl in the picture's name
390
00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,147
is Alise Dominique Corbal.
391
00:14:09,216 --> 00:14:11,249
- There's an OnlyFans.
- Oh, really?
392
00:14:11,318 --> 00:14:13,084
I'll just open OnlyFans
on my phone.
393
00:14:13,153 --> 00:14:14,452
- I've never been
on OnlyFans before.
394
00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:15,753
- Really?
- Yeah.
395
00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:18,189
- Oh, yeah.
- Last seen yesterday.
396
00:14:18,258 --> 00:14:20,058
- Wow.
So this is very active.
397
00:14:20,126 --> 00:14:21,926
If Dominique's her middle name,
she goes by Nique,
398
00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:24,028
that means that
Ceejay convinced her to get
399
00:14:24,097 --> 00:14:25,430
a tattoo on her chest of--
400
00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:26,931
- A name that's not even--
401
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,166
oh, my God.
402
00:14:28,235 --> 00:14:30,268
- I mean, that's--
- Diabolical.
403
00:14:30,337 --> 00:14:32,937
That's so [bleep] up.
That's like a fake name.
404
00:14:33,006 --> 00:14:35,373
- Yeah, I mean, she was gonna
have a baby with this person
405
00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:37,542
who was totally lying to her.
406
00:14:37,611 --> 00:14:39,377
- Have we looked
at the Instagram
407
00:14:39,446 --> 00:14:41,412
that she just reached
out to Shay on?
408
00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:44,048
- Oh. Let's go to that.
409
00:14:44,117 --> 00:14:48,019
OK, so--OK, so this page
has like very little on it.
410
00:14:48,088 --> 00:14:49,687
- Yeah.
- Oh, look.
411
00:14:49,756 --> 00:14:51,923
"We was so in love," she said.
412
00:14:51,992 --> 00:14:53,758
- There's more photos.
413
00:14:53,827 --> 00:14:55,260
- But these are old.
414
00:14:55,328 --> 00:14:57,462
OK, all of these pictures
were posted on the same day.
415
00:14:57,530 --> 00:15:00,531
So she's posting all
the old pictures and texts
416
00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,234
that they had sent each other
from when they were talking.
417
00:15:03,303 --> 00:15:05,470
So this is like, a weird,
like, memory lane--
418
00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:06,871
- Memory lane photo album.
419
00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,073
- Weird that she's
still posting these things.
420
00:15:09,142 --> 00:15:10,375
OK, wait.
421
00:15:10,443 --> 00:15:13,144
This has only one follower.
422
00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:16,648
Who's this one person that
would even be on her page?
423
00:15:16,716 --> 00:15:18,149
- April [bleep].
424
00:15:18,218 --> 00:15:21,619
- Who is she?
Why is she on this page?
425
00:15:21,688 --> 00:15:23,922
Like, why would
this middle-aged woman
426
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:25,490
be on this page?
427
00:15:25,558 --> 00:15:27,992
- Oh, this is so rough.
428
00:15:28,061 --> 00:15:30,061
- She made this account--
- Oh, my God.
429
00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:31,996
- It has to be her.
430
00:15:32,065 --> 00:15:33,564
Who is this?
We got to look her up.
431
00:15:33,633 --> 00:15:35,533
- We got to look her up.
Oh, my God.
432
00:15:35,602 --> 00:15:38,136
- Is this--
- This is so creepy.
433
00:15:38,204 --> 00:15:40,171
- Ceejay?
- Georgia.
434
00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,074
- OK.
Married since 2001.
435
00:15:43,143 --> 00:15:44,709
This does feel
like a real page.
436
00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:48,579
She's got her husband,
looks like they may have a son.
437
00:15:48,648 --> 00:15:51,516
I mean, is this Ceejay?
438
00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:53,351
This is giving me
439
00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:56,421
weird original "Catfish"
documentary vibes.
440
00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:57,922
- Yeah.
441
00:15:57,991 --> 00:16:00,291
- Because the woman who was
talking to me pretending to be
442
00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,961
a much younger girl
and a number of other people,
443
00:16:03,029 --> 00:16:06,631
was also married
and also cared for children.
444
00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:09,634
And I'm just seeing
this woman's life, and it's--
445
00:16:09,703 --> 00:16:11,803
- Yeah.
So then what's the move?
446
00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:13,438
Do you message her,
or do you try
447
00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:14,839
to find someone who knows her?
448
00:16:14,908 --> 00:16:16,441
- We could message her and--
449
00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:17,976
- Just kind of
get a temp check?
450
00:16:18,044 --> 00:16:20,244
- Right.
So let's message her here.
451
00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:22,347
Hey, April.
452
00:16:22,415 --> 00:16:24,082
This is Nev
from the TV show, "Catfish."
453
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:26,451
We randomly came across you
while doing some research,
454
00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,853
and we're hoping you could
jump on a call and help us out.
455
00:16:28,922 --> 00:16:31,055
Let me know if you're available
this afternoon, thanks.
456
00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:33,024
- ♪ Bah, bah, bah ♪
457
00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:36,060
- I feel like we've got
enough now to go talk to Shay.
458
00:16:36,129 --> 00:16:38,363
The girl in the pictures
is not who she's talking to.
459
00:16:38,431 --> 00:16:39,664
That is someone else.
460
00:16:39,733 --> 00:16:41,265
- Alise.
- Right.
461
00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:46,337
So is all of the drama
that Shay experienced
462
00:16:46,406 --> 00:16:49,674
in relation to Ceejay
the insane creation
463
00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,209
of this one woman, April?
464
00:16:51,277 --> 00:16:56,147
Or was it April and somebody
or some other people?
465
00:16:56,216 --> 00:16:57,115
- Yeah.
466
00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:58,483
If this is what it is,
467
00:16:58,551 --> 00:17:00,918
and we shatter
this reality for Shay,
468
00:17:00,987 --> 00:17:02,854
how do you come back from that?
469
00:17:02,922 --> 00:17:04,655
How do you trust anyone
in the world again?
470
00:17:06,159 --> 00:17:08,760
- OK. Let's do it.
471
00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:12,096
She said to come on in
when we get here.
472
00:17:12,165 --> 00:17:13,431
Hello.
- Hi.
473
00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:14,866
- Hi.
- How are you?
474
00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:17,001
- Good to see you.
- Hi.
475
00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:18,636
How are you feeling?
- A little nervous.
476
00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:20,104
- Yeah.
- Had a rough night.
477
00:17:20,173 --> 00:17:21,339
- Yeah?
478
00:17:21,408 --> 00:17:22,407
- I was, like, up crying
for a couple hours.
479
00:17:22,475 --> 00:17:23,674
You know, it's a lot.
480
00:17:23,743 --> 00:17:25,410
- Just kind of going
back through everything?
481
00:17:25,478 --> 00:17:27,078
- Yeah, so we'll see.
482
00:17:27,147 --> 00:17:28,246
- Well, we have
some information.
483
00:17:28,314 --> 00:17:29,514
Why don't we--
- Take a seat?
484
00:17:29,582 --> 00:17:32,517
- Have a seat.
- OK.
485
00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:35,119
- OK, so the first place
we started
486
00:17:35,188 --> 00:17:36,854
was we took the photos
that you had,
487
00:17:36,923 --> 00:17:38,356
and we did an image search.
488
00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:40,024
Came back with some hits.
489
00:17:40,093 --> 00:17:43,294
We followed this photo
to this Instagram,
490
00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:45,930
but look at the name on it.
491
00:17:45,999 --> 00:17:48,299
- Yes.
- Alise Dominique.
492
00:17:48,368 --> 00:17:50,001
So this jumped out
at us because--
493
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:51,469
- The tattoo.
494
00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:54,072
- Her tattoo says Nique,
which you said
495
00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:55,206
was supposed to be her--
496
00:17:55,275 --> 00:17:57,008
- Mom's name.
- Mom's name.
497
00:17:57,077 --> 00:17:58,910
But clearly,
it's this girl's name.
498
00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:00,378
- Oh, wow.
499
00:18:00,447 --> 00:18:04,782
- We also found an OnlyFans.
500
00:18:04,851 --> 00:18:06,217
- OK.
501
00:18:06,286 --> 00:18:09,520
- Again with the Nique screen
name, active yesterday.
502
00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:11,889
- Hm.
- So that's who that girl is.
503
00:18:11,958 --> 00:18:13,324
- Yeah.
504
00:18:13,393 --> 00:18:15,726
- She has an OnlyFans account,
She has an Instagram.
505
00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:19,330
She has a whole life that is
not in any way connected to--
506
00:18:19,399 --> 00:18:20,698
- To what we had.
507
00:18:20,767 --> 00:18:21,899
- To what you had.
508
00:18:21,968 --> 00:18:23,668
- Eight years, like,
how could you go on
509
00:18:23,736 --> 00:18:27,572
with all the lies and, like,
still sleep good at night?
510
00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,006
- Mm-hmm.
511
00:18:29,075 --> 00:18:31,375
- After we found this,
we thought, all right.
512
00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:34,245
Let's go to the new
Instagram account
513
00:18:34,314 --> 00:18:36,280
that Ceejay just
popped back up on.
514
00:18:36,349 --> 00:18:38,716
We noticed that there's
only one follower,
515
00:18:38,785 --> 00:18:40,384
and that we thought was weird.
516
00:18:40,453 --> 00:18:42,553
We were like,
who follows this page?
517
00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:45,389
And there's just
one lady named April.
518
00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:47,058
- I've never heard of her.
519
00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:48,693
- Now, obviously,
there's a lot of things
520
00:18:48,761 --> 00:18:50,094
that are weird
about this account.
521
00:18:50,163 --> 00:18:51,529
- Right.
522
00:18:51,598 --> 00:18:52,897
- Everything about this page
is [bleep] weird.
523
00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:54,098
- Yes.
524
00:18:54,167 --> 00:18:55,466
- Perhaps only made weirder
by the fact
525
00:18:55,535 --> 00:18:57,068
that only one person
follows it.
526
00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:58,269
- Right.
527
00:18:58,338 --> 00:18:59,537
- Why would anyone
even know about it?
528
00:18:59,606 --> 00:19:00,771
- Correct.
529
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,941
- And it's this random
woman named April.
530
00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:06,844
So we Googled her,
and we found her Facebook page.
531
00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:08,346
OK?
- Oh, wow.
532
00:19:08,414 --> 00:19:12,617
- April seems like
a very normal, nice lady.
533
00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:14,018
She's married.
She's got kids.
534
00:19:14,087 --> 00:19:16,554
Does any of this seem familiar,
or does any of it--
535
00:19:16,623 --> 00:19:18,623
- No.
- Ring any bells?
536
00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:19,724
- Mm-mm.
- OK.
537
00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:23,027
Could it be that this is who
538
00:19:23,096 --> 00:19:24,462
you were talking to
that whole time?
539
00:19:24,531 --> 00:19:26,797
- OK.
If it is her, why?
540
00:19:26,866 --> 00:19:27,832
- Why?
541
00:19:27,901 --> 00:19:29,100
- Of everything we found,
542
00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:31,035
the fact that there's
this one strange woman
543
00:19:31,104 --> 00:19:33,304
who follows the fake,
new account.
544
00:19:33,373 --> 00:19:34,739
- She's involved.
545
00:19:34,807 --> 00:19:36,641
- There's a lot of arrows
pointing at this woman.
546
00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:39,610
Could she be involved?
Could it be her?
547
00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,946
We messaged her,
but we haven't heard back,
548
00:19:42,015 --> 00:19:43,314
and that's where we're at.
549
00:19:43,383 --> 00:19:44,749
And now we kind of
want to sort of check in
550
00:19:44,817 --> 00:19:46,083
and see what you think.
551
00:19:46,152 --> 00:19:50,154
- I'm just ready to finally--
to get the answers.
552
00:19:50,223 --> 00:19:53,057
- I mean, why would someone
who says they love you
553
00:19:53,126 --> 00:19:56,160
tell you to tattoo a name
that has nothing to do--
554
00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:57,328
- To do with them.
555
00:19:57,397 --> 00:19:59,664
- Is that just some
[bleep] up game
556
00:19:59,732 --> 00:20:03,668
to see if they can get you
to do something just for fun?
557
00:20:03,736 --> 00:20:05,002
- Probably at that time
for them,
558
00:20:05,071 --> 00:20:06,404
yeah, but for me, it wasn't.
559
00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:08,739
- And if that person
was a 40-year-old woman,
560
00:20:08,808 --> 00:20:11,008
like, messing with a teenager?
561
00:20:11,077 --> 00:20:13,077
- Like, shame on them.
- Yeah.
562
00:20:13,146 --> 00:20:14,412
[phone ringing]
- Oh.
563
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,980
We're getting a call.
564
00:20:16,049 --> 00:20:17,148
Hello.
565
00:20:20,019 --> 00:20:21,452
- Yeah, I think so.
566
00:20:21,521 --> 00:20:23,487
How you doing?
567
00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:24,822
- Great.
568
00:20:24,891 --> 00:20:28,926
We are doing a little research
on a case here,
569
00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:33,831
and it led us to an account for
someone named Ceejay Samuel.
570
00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:38,269
- Oh, well, and that led us
to you because you're
571
00:20:38,338 --> 00:20:42,640
the only person who currently
follows an account for Ceejay.
572
00:20:43,443 --> 00:20:45,576
- And we were just curious
how you know her.
573
00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:53,751
- You were neighbors?
574
00:21:02,862 --> 00:21:05,463
- Do you remember any sort
of defining characteristics
575
00:21:05,531 --> 00:21:08,165
about her, like any tattoos?
576
00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:15,006
- Where is that tattoo,
do you remember?
577
00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:17,108
- Like her chest?
578
00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:22,947
- OK, I will be in touch
if anything else comes up,
579
00:21:23,016 --> 00:21:25,449
and obviously, I'll let
her know that you're trying
580
00:21:25,518 --> 00:21:27,652
to get back in touch with her.
581
00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:31,789
- OK, you too, April.
582
00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:33,257
- Bye-bye.
583
00:21:33,326 --> 00:21:36,794
She's lying, unless we're
totally wrong here, right?
584
00:21:36,863 --> 00:21:39,930
- I mean, that was very weird.
585
00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:41,999
Sus, sus, sus, sus.
586
00:21:42,068 --> 00:21:44,568
- I don't--I'm not buying it.
- I'm not buying it.
587
00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,504
- I've never heard that voice.
- Well, right.
588
00:21:46,572 --> 00:21:47,805
I mean, she has a very--
589
00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:49,440
- That's an older,
country voice.
590
00:21:49,509 --> 00:21:50,574
- Right.
591
00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,443
Is it possible
that that lady could--
592
00:21:52,512 --> 00:21:54,011
- But I've never heard
that voice before.
593
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,646
- I had a relationship
with a 40-year-old woman
594
00:21:55,715 --> 00:21:57,381
that I thought was 19
because she changed her voice
595
00:21:57,450 --> 00:22:00,351
and made it sound
younger and softer.
596
00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:02,553
- Getting creepy now.
597
00:22:04,257 --> 00:22:05,790
- So, OK.
598
00:22:05,858 --> 00:22:08,025
We could try
to reach out to Ceejay now.
599
00:22:08,094 --> 00:22:09,760
- Should I try to call her?
600
00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:11,629
- Can you call someone
on Instagram now?
601
00:22:11,698 --> 00:22:13,431
- You can.
- Shall we try?
602
00:22:13,499 --> 00:22:14,765
- Try.
603
00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:16,600
[line trilling]
604
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:18,035
[dramatic music]
605
00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:24,375
- This is Shay.
606
00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:28,379
- I was trying to see
if you wanted to meet up.
607
00:22:32,185 --> 00:22:33,751
- OK.
608
00:22:35,421 --> 00:22:37,421
- Where are you located?
609
00:22:39,726 --> 00:22:41,892
- What part of Georgia
are you in?
610
00:22:42,495 --> 00:22:43,994
- You're in Atlanta.
OK, great.
611
00:22:44,063 --> 00:22:47,164
So I'm with "Catfish,"
so they're going
612
00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:49,800
to help us meet each other.
613
00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:51,736
- Hey, Ceejay, it's Nev, here.
614
00:22:51,804 --> 00:22:54,839
Shay told us you reached out
and wanted to meet.
615
00:22:54,907 --> 00:22:57,775
We just wanted to make sure
if we do come to Atlanta
616
00:22:57,844 --> 00:22:59,844
that you are in fact there
and that you're serious
617
00:22:59,912 --> 00:23:01,912
about meeting up with her
because I know in the past,
618
00:23:01,981 --> 00:23:03,180
there's been talk
about meeting up,
619
00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:04,281
but it just hasn't happened.
620
00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:05,649
There have been excuses.
621
00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:08,018
So I just want to make sure
you're serious this time
622
00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:09,987
about actually
getting together.
623
00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:24,101
- OK, we'll plan on meeting up
with you tomorrow evening.
624
00:23:25,104 --> 00:23:27,605
[phone beeps]
- OK.
625
00:23:27,673 --> 00:23:28,873
- That was her, for sure?
626
00:23:28,941 --> 00:23:30,341
- Yes.
627
00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:32,143
- We've heard some
very convincing fake voices,
628
00:23:32,211 --> 00:23:34,945
but Ceejay and April
sound so different, right?
629
00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:36,313
- Mm-hmm.
630
00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:38,816
- Well, look, at this point,
I'm leaning away
631
00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:41,886
from it being April,
but we can't rule her out.
632
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:43,320
- Sure.
633
00:23:43,389 --> 00:23:45,222
- I think it's safe to assume--
634
00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:47,324
- That she's hiding something,
for sure.
635
00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:50,661
- I mean, this woman
is a master manipulator.
636
00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:51,996
- Right.
637
00:23:52,064 --> 00:23:53,497
- I think if we want
to get to the finish line,
638
00:23:53,566 --> 00:23:54,832
we're just gonna have
to play her game.
639
00:23:54,901 --> 00:23:56,300
- Right.
640
00:23:56,969 --> 00:24:00,037
- All right, well, then we'll
hit the road in the morning.
641
00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:01,138
- Sounds good.
642
00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:02,406
I've never been on a plane,
so...
643
00:24:02,475 --> 00:24:04,241
- Oh, wow.
- But I've got you guys.
644
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:05,476
- Yeah.
645
00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,011
- So this will be
a first experience for me--
646
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,546
and I never left Florida, so...
647
00:24:08,614 --> 00:24:10,181
- Well, let's do it, yeah.
648
00:24:10,249 --> 00:24:11,982
- Let's see.
649
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:14,919
I appreciate you guys
for coming,
650
00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:16,921
and we'll meet up
in the morning.
651
00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:18,823
- Yeah.
- OK.
652
00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:22,626
- Who knows what
the hell's going on here.
653
00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:25,229
I think we just got to buy
the ticket, take the ride.
654
00:24:25,298 --> 00:24:28,199
We're on Ceejay's
roller coaster ride right now.
655
00:24:28,267 --> 00:24:30,668
I'm sure there are a couple
more twists and turns
656
00:24:30,736 --> 00:24:31,869
before it ends.
657
00:24:31,938 --> 00:24:33,170
- Something's lurking
around the corner.
658
00:24:34,674 --> 00:24:35,706
- Hi.
659
00:24:35,775 --> 00:24:36,841
How are you?
660
00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,509
- What's up?
661
00:24:38,578 --> 00:24:41,011
- That was a lot of walking.
- Good to see you.
662
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,613
- How you doing?
- I'm doing good.
663
00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:45,015
- Well, are you ready
for your first flight?
664
00:24:45,084 --> 00:24:46,150
- Somewhat.
665
00:24:46,219 --> 00:24:47,418
Hey, Ceejay, this is Nev.
666
00:24:47,487 --> 00:24:48,586
I'm with Shay
at the airport now
667
00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:50,154
about to get on our flight.
668
00:24:50,223 --> 00:24:52,690
This is her first time flying,
and she's super nervous, FYI.
669
00:24:52,758 --> 00:24:54,725
Please send us
an address to meet later.
670
00:24:54,794 --> 00:24:56,427
This is a big deal for Shay,
and I really hope
671
00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:58,696
you take it seriously
and use this as an opportunity
672
00:24:58,764 --> 00:25:00,364
to be real and honest.
673
00:25:00,433 --> 00:25:01,765
- That sounds good.
674
00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:05,035
- Let's do it.
- All right, after you.
675
00:25:05,104 --> 00:25:08,439
- ♪ Let's let the ashes fly ♪
676
00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:10,341
♪ We'll let the ashes fly ♪
677
00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:14,211
- ♪ Let's let the ashes fly ♪
678
00:25:16,215 --> 00:25:19,250
- ♪ Let's let the ashes fly ♪
679
00:25:19,318 --> 00:25:21,619
- Did it.
680
00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:24,555
♪ ♪
681
00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:26,657
It was scary, but I think
I could do it again.
682
00:25:26,726 --> 00:25:29,226
- Do you think it was
worth it for Ceejay?
683
00:25:30,763 --> 00:25:32,029
- All right.
684
00:25:46,445 --> 00:25:49,280
- I'm kind of curious,
like, if she's not the girl
685
00:25:49,348 --> 00:25:51,882
in the picture,
then I wonder who she is.
686
00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:54,084
I just don't understand
how people could do that
687
00:25:54,153 --> 00:25:55,953
and, like, sleep OK.
688
00:25:56,022 --> 00:25:57,321
- Think about it.
689
00:25:57,390 --> 00:25:58,756
She hasn't really had
any consequences.
690
00:25:58,824 --> 00:26:00,958
- Kind of getting
butterflies now.
691
00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:02,960
[dramatic music]
692
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:04,695
- We are getting close.
693
00:26:04,764 --> 00:26:06,931
- My heart is, like, pounding.
- Yeah.
694
00:26:06,999 --> 00:26:09,800
- All right.
695
00:26:09,869 --> 00:26:11,902
This is it.
- OK.
696
00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:16,340
♪ ♪
697
00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:17,775
- There's definitely people.
698
00:26:17,843 --> 00:26:19,710
Not really sure
who we're looking for.
699
00:26:20,713 --> 00:26:24,214
"We're here.
Where are you?"
700
00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:28,986
♪ ♪
701
00:26:29,055 --> 00:26:31,188
Is that her?
702
00:26:31,257 --> 00:26:32,356
- Hi.
703
00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:34,124
- You're not Ceejay, right?
704
00:26:36,862 --> 00:26:39,096
- OK, that's creepy.
705
00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:41,065
- I mean...
706
00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:42,433
- Wait a second.
707
00:26:42,501 --> 00:26:44,768
"Hey, I thought I can do this,
but I can't.
708
00:26:44,837 --> 00:26:45,836
I'm scared."
709
00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:46,904
- I mean, the whole point--
710
00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:48,005
- You're not
the only one scared.
711
00:26:48,074 --> 00:26:49,506
- Yeah, you're scared too.
712
00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:50,841
- I understand.
Can you--
713
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:52,109
- She could still
come and talk.
714
00:26:52,178 --> 00:26:55,479
- Chat quickly on phone?
715
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,216
Why don't we just
go back to the car anyway
716
00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:00,618
because I guess
she's not coming.
717
00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:01,819
- Who knows?
718
00:27:01,887 --> 00:27:02,953
She may not
even live in this city.
719
00:27:03,022 --> 00:27:04,655
- We don't even know.
720
00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:08,292
After everything
she's put you through,
721
00:27:08,361 --> 00:27:10,861
to say she'll meet us,
give us an address,
722
00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:12,396
give us a time.
723
00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,498
- And then she bailed.
- It's frustrating.
724
00:27:14,567 --> 00:27:16,066
- We flew all the way here
because you promised
725
00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:17,234
you would meet Shay.
726
00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:19,036
After all she's been
through in her life,
727
00:27:19,105 --> 00:27:24,675
I think you agree
she deserves some honesty
728
00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:28,646
and you will meet us tomorrow.
729
00:27:28,714 --> 00:27:31,181
Here's another example
of her choosing
730
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,584
what's best for her
over what's best for you.
731
00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:35,386
- Yeah.
- So all right.
732
00:27:35,454 --> 00:27:36,920
Well, let's go to the hotel.
733
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,055
Hopefully, we'll hear from her
734
00:27:38,124 --> 00:27:39,790
about meeting up
with her tomorrow.
735
00:27:39,859 --> 00:27:41,025
- Hopefully.
736
00:27:43,129 --> 00:27:44,294
- Hi, guys.
737
00:27:44,363 --> 00:27:45,729
- Good morning.
- Good morning.
738
00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:47,931
- I haven't heard back since
we left the park yesterday.
739
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,099
So let me check in.
740
00:27:49,168 --> 00:27:53,537
"Good morning.
Can you meet us today?"
741
00:27:53,606 --> 00:27:55,906
- What about calling April?
742
00:27:55,975 --> 00:27:58,409
She's the only human being
that we spoke to
743
00:27:58,477 --> 00:28:00,210
that may
or may not be involved.
744
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:01,712
- All right, let's see.
745
00:28:01,781 --> 00:28:03,313
[line trilling]
746
00:28:03,382 --> 00:28:04,715
- Your call has
been forwarded--
747
00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:05,916
- Let me text.
748
00:28:05,985 --> 00:28:11,555
Just checking in
to see if you've
749
00:28:11,624 --> 00:28:16,160
been in touch with Ceejay.
750
00:28:16,228 --> 00:28:17,494
Oh.
751
00:28:17,563 --> 00:28:19,129
She said,
"I have not, but I can try
752
00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:20,798
getting in touch with her."
753
00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:23,500
"We're in town and trying
to meet up with her.
754
00:28:23,569 --> 00:28:25,869
Do you know how we
can get a hold of her?"
755
00:28:25,938 --> 00:28:29,907
She said, "I don't, but I
might find out where she is."
756
00:28:29,975 --> 00:28:31,642
Hmm.
Oh, she's writing more.
757
00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:33,410
"I tracked her down.
758
00:28:33,479 --> 00:28:35,446
She's at her auntie's."
759
00:28:35,514 --> 00:28:37,314
- What?
- Amazing.
760
00:28:37,383 --> 00:28:39,249
She seems like
she wants to help,
761
00:28:39,318 --> 00:28:41,452
but also suspiciously--
762
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,986
- Weird.
- Connected.
763
00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:44,054
- Yeah.
764
00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:45,556
"I haven't spoken
to her in forever.
765
00:28:45,624 --> 00:28:47,458
Now I can find her
within minutes."
766
00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:49,760
- Yeah, a little
too easy, right?
767
00:28:49,829 --> 00:28:53,630
"But I know for sure
she's at this address.
768
00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,499
"This all needs to end.
769
00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:57,901
She needs to come clean."
770
00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:00,871
Kind of sounds like it could
be April this whole time.
771
00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:02,406
- Oh, April.
772
00:29:02,475 --> 00:29:05,409
- "We will be there
in an hour."
773
00:29:05,478 --> 00:29:07,444
- Ready to do this?
774
00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:09,646
- I guess so.
775
00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:12,649
- I don't know what
to expect anymore,
776
00:29:12,718 --> 00:29:13,851
now that April's involved.
777
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:15,119
- Right.
778
00:29:15,187 --> 00:29:16,754
- Who knows what
we're getting ourselves into.
779
00:29:16,822 --> 00:29:18,589
- It's all or nothing.
780
00:29:18,657 --> 00:29:21,625
[tense music]
781
00:29:21,694 --> 00:29:28,098
♪ ♪
782
00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:30,667
- Whenever you're ready.
783
00:29:30,736 --> 00:29:32,402
- We can go.
784
00:29:32,471 --> 00:29:35,572
♪ ♪
785
00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:37,541
- Let's see.
786
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:44,114
♪ ♪
787
00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:45,716
- I don't know
who the hell she can be.
788
00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:48,051
- Well, she sent us an address.
789
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,257
♪ ♪
790
00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:57,027
- Oh, OK.
791
00:29:57,096 --> 00:30:02,900
♪ ♪
792
00:30:02,968 --> 00:30:05,903
[door creaks]
793
00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:07,671
Ceejay?
794
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:08,772
- Hello.
795
00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:14,311
- Oh, OK.
796
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:16,814
[dramatic music]
797
00:30:16,882 --> 00:30:19,216
[door creaks]
798
00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,218
Ceejay?
799
00:30:21,287 --> 00:30:23,487
- Hello.
- How you doing?
800
00:30:23,556 --> 00:30:25,556
- I'm good.
- All right.
801
00:30:25,624 --> 00:30:27,724
♪ ♪
802
00:30:27,793 --> 00:30:29,393
Come on over--Ceejay, or--
803
00:30:29,461 --> 00:30:30,727
- Ceejay.
804
00:30:30,796 --> 00:30:32,830
- All right, well...
805
00:30:32,898 --> 00:30:34,832
♪ ♪
806
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,500
This is Tallulah.
807
00:30:36,569 --> 00:30:38,402
- Hi, Tallulah.
- Nice to meet you.
808
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:40,404
- You obviously know Shea.
809
00:30:40,472 --> 00:30:42,573
♪ ♪
810
00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:46,710
You are and always
have been Ceejay?
811
00:30:46,779 --> 00:30:48,579
- Yes, sir.
- OK.
812
00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:50,848
- Is Ceejay really your name?
Because--
813
00:30:50,916 --> 00:30:52,349
- No.
814
00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:55,285
- Because I tatted
Ceejay on me.
815
00:30:55,354 --> 00:31:00,357
- It's just a nickname
that I gave myself years ago.
816
00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:02,326
My name's Tae.
817
00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:06,730
- OK, so who is April?
818
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:08,232
- April is a good
friend of mine.
819
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,435
- OK, we spoke to her.
- OK.
820
00:31:11,503 --> 00:31:13,370
- She clearly
was covering for you,
821
00:31:13,439 --> 00:31:15,405
but she told us were here.
822
00:31:15,474 --> 00:31:17,241
- Yeah,
she called me and told me
823
00:31:17,309 --> 00:31:18,642
she gave y'all the address.
824
00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:22,679
- OK, yesterday, were you
planning on meeting us, or...
825
00:31:22,748 --> 00:31:25,949
- Yeah, but I got scared.
826
00:31:26,018 --> 00:31:28,819
- So with the family members,
like, with the Asia,
827
00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:30,687
is that really your sister or--
828
00:31:30,756 --> 00:31:33,757
- So Asia is
actually my cousin.
829
00:31:33,826 --> 00:31:36,793
But my mom ended up adopting
her when she was little.
830
00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:39,897
- But she never spoke to Asia.
831
00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:43,400
Asia used to text her
from your phone.
832
00:31:43,469 --> 00:31:45,769
Was that her--
- Was that her or was that you?
833
00:31:45,838 --> 00:31:47,905
- That wasn't me.
834
00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:49,439
We used each other phone.
835
00:31:49,508 --> 00:31:50,507
That's what me
and my family do.
836
00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:51,942
- Oh, wait.
837
00:31:52,011 --> 00:31:54,044
Using someone's phone to text
your friends is one thing.
838
00:31:54,113 --> 00:31:56,613
Using someone's phone
and texting their girlfriend--
839
00:31:56,682 --> 00:31:58,382
- I mean, that's
the type of bond they had.
840
00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:59,950
- Yeah, but also,
it wasn't just texting like,
841
00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:01,385
"Hey, what's up?"
842
00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:03,754
It was, like, blackmail--
- Manipulating, blackmailing.
843
00:32:03,822 --> 00:32:05,956
- How did she manipulate
and blackmail you?
844
00:32:06,025 --> 00:32:08,792
- Well, wasn't it Asia who said
you should get the tattoo?
845
00:32:08,861 --> 00:32:09,927
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
846
00:32:09,995 --> 00:32:11,328
- So I mean--
847
00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:13,764
yeah, because when she
surprised me with the tattoo,
848
00:32:13,832 --> 00:32:14,798
I was shocked.
849
00:32:14,867 --> 00:32:16,333
- There's no way
I'm buying that.
850
00:32:16,402 --> 00:32:17,668
- OK.
851
00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:19,636
- There's no way
you didn't know
852
00:32:19,705 --> 00:32:22,973
your cousin/sister had
tried to convince her
853
00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:25,242
to get a tattoo
with your nickname
854
00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:27,978
that you made up for yourself.
855
00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:30,113
- Um--
- Explain how that makes sense.
856
00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:33,083
- I did not--that was not me.
857
00:32:33,152 --> 00:32:34,518
I don't know what
you want me to say.
858
00:32:34,586 --> 00:32:37,220
- Right, well, unfortunately,
you're starting off
859
00:32:37,289 --> 00:32:39,356
to us as a total liar.
860
00:32:39,425 --> 00:32:40,958
- OK, well,
that's how you feel.
861
00:32:41,026 --> 00:32:41,992
- Well, no,
it's not how I feel.
862
00:32:42,061 --> 00:32:43,060
You lied to her.
863
00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:44,261
- I did not lie to her.
864
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:45,829
Never wanted her
to get a tattoo.
865
00:32:45,898 --> 00:32:47,464
She surprised me
with the tattoo.
866
00:32:47,533 --> 00:32:49,700
- Bull[bleep].
Here's a better question.
867
00:32:49,768 --> 00:32:53,036
Why did you consistently do
unbelievably awful things
868
00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:54,304
to her?
869
00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:56,873
- I mean, don't get me wrong,
it was wrong.
870
00:32:56,942 --> 00:32:58,608
It was wrong for what I did.
871
00:32:58,677 --> 00:33:01,511
I really did love you.
My feelings was real.
872
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:04,047
It's just like, when I
saw you from my real page,
873
00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:06,216
I just knew
you wasn't gonna talk to me.
874
00:33:06,285 --> 00:33:07,784
- So the Ceejay page
was created
875
00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:11,221
specifically to contact Shay?
876
00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:15,025
- So when you planned the kid,
and I did all those things--
877
00:33:15,094 --> 00:33:18,061
- OK, so I feel like me
planning the kid with you
878
00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:19,363
was going to be my motivation
879
00:33:19,431 --> 00:33:21,064
to come out
and tell you the truth.
880
00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:22,165
Because you're right.
881
00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:23,533
You can't plan a kid
with somebody
882
00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:25,669
and just erase it away.
883
00:33:25,738 --> 00:33:27,738
That's why when you told me
you didn't know how
884
00:33:27,806 --> 00:33:30,674
you was gonna afford things,
I did my best
885
00:33:30,743 --> 00:33:33,010
to do that
for you and the baby.
886
00:33:33,078 --> 00:33:34,244
I made it happen.
887
00:33:34,313 --> 00:33:36,546
Car seat, clothes, all that.
888
00:33:36,615 --> 00:33:41,051
Because I felt like it was
my responsibility too.
889
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,755
But you came out and told me
you didn't want me to be
890
00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:46,523
a part of your child's life
because you didn't want
891
00:33:46,592 --> 00:33:48,225
your daughter confused,
and you felt like
892
00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:50,427
her real father was supposed
to be a part of her life.
893
00:33:50,496 --> 00:33:53,230
It hurted me.
You know, it hurted me bad.
894
00:33:53,298 --> 00:33:56,333
But I still did things
for that baby,
895
00:33:56,402 --> 00:33:58,802
regardless how
heartbroken I was.
896
00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:02,039
- I mean, the reason why I felt
like the father should be there
897
00:34:02,107 --> 00:34:04,708
was because
my first daughter was
898
00:34:04,777 --> 00:34:07,611
not born when I was with you.
899
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:10,180
- If you add it up,
she was a month pregnant.
900
00:34:10,249 --> 00:34:12,349
We only been broken up
for a month.
901
00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:14,818
So technically, yeah,
you did cheat on me.
902
00:34:14,887 --> 00:34:16,019
- Wait a second.
903
00:34:16,088 --> 00:34:18,021
You're upset
because you feel like she
904
00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:19,222
cheated on you with that guy?
905
00:34:19,291 --> 00:34:20,857
- Ain't no feel like.
She did!
906
00:34:20,926 --> 00:34:23,226
I have already stated like,
yes, I was wrong for lying
907
00:34:23,295 --> 00:34:24,728
to you about my identity.
908
00:34:24,797 --> 00:34:28,598
It ain't no excuses for that,
and I regret what I did,
909
00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:30,901
but I really did love you.
910
00:34:30,969 --> 00:34:32,602
You [bleep] around
in our relationship.
911
00:34:32,671 --> 00:34:34,004
How the [bleep] was--
how the [bleep]--
912
00:34:34,073 --> 00:34:35,472
- We weren't together, though.
913
00:34:35,541 --> 00:34:38,842
You do know that we broke up
like three months, six months.
914
00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:40,844
You're trying to seem
like we were consistent.
915
00:34:40,913 --> 00:34:42,746
- Why would you get
in a long-distance relationship
916
00:34:42,815 --> 00:34:44,181
knowing you can't be
committed, bro?
917
00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:45,982
You have commitment issues.
- That's not the point.
918
00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:47,284
- You have commitment issues.
919
00:34:47,352 --> 00:34:48,685
You know what,
I don't want to talk no more,
920
00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:49,753
because she's not even being--
921
00:34:49,822 --> 00:34:50,954
- Hold on a second,
hold on a second.
922
00:34:51,023 --> 00:34:52,122
Please come back here--
923
00:34:52,191 --> 00:34:53,256
- No, I'm not coming back.
924
00:34:53,325 --> 00:34:54,257
- Well--
925
00:34:54,326 --> 00:34:55,659
- If she's not gonna be honest,
926
00:34:55,727 --> 00:34:57,327
there's no sense in me
standing here being honest.
927
00:34:57,396 --> 00:35:00,497
- You don't get to be upset
if she's not being honest
928
00:35:00,566 --> 00:35:02,766
because you've been
so dishonest for so long.
929
00:35:02,835 --> 00:35:04,167
- We both got hurt
in this situation.
930
00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:05,435
You don't know how I feel.
931
00:35:05,504 --> 00:35:06,837
You don't know what
I went through.
932
00:35:06,905 --> 00:35:08,772
- Did you take money
out of her bank account?
933
00:35:08,841 --> 00:35:10,440
- Yeah, and I blamed it
on my sister
934
00:35:10,509 --> 00:35:11,775
because I didn't want
to hurt her.
935
00:35:11,844 --> 00:35:12,843
- Right, just like you--
936
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,010
- I didn't want
to hurt her more.
937
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:15,112
- Blamed the tattoo thing
on your sister.
938
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:16,847
- No.
- You put me through a lot.
939
00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:18,915
- You never took responsibility
for what you done.
940
00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:20,784
You always point
the blame at me.
941
00:35:20,853 --> 00:35:23,620
Be honest.
You never once apologized.
942
00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:26,756
You never once felt bad
about what you did to me.
943
00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:28,492
She cheated--not just one, Nev.
944
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,061
- We weren't together
when these things happened.
945
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:32,596
- Stop lying!
- Hold on a second.
946
00:35:32,664 --> 00:35:34,564
- Hold on a second.
947
00:35:36,535 --> 00:35:39,136
♪ ♪
948
00:35:39,204 --> 00:35:41,838
- Wait.
Shay, hold on.
949
00:35:41,907 --> 00:35:43,240
- Shay.
950
00:35:45,144 --> 00:35:47,043
- Hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
951
00:35:47,112 --> 00:35:48,478
- Hold on a second.
952
00:35:49,915 --> 00:35:52,549
[dramatic music]
953
00:35:52,618 --> 00:35:55,218
- Wait, Shay, hold on.
954
00:35:55,287 --> 00:35:57,420
- Shay.
955
00:35:57,489 --> 00:35:59,589
- Hey.
956
00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,491
- Let's take a quick regroup.
957
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,559
- OK.
958
00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:04,494
- You can go
inside if you want.
959
00:36:04,563 --> 00:36:07,197
We'll check back in
in a minute.
960
00:36:07,266 --> 00:36:10,534
♪ ♪
961
00:36:10,602 --> 00:36:13,503
- Just like, take a breath.
You're OK.
962
00:36:13,572 --> 00:36:16,273
- Shay, how are you
feeling about this?
963
00:36:16,341 --> 00:36:18,208
- That was a lot.
964
00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:19,943
- What do you need
in this moment?
965
00:36:20,012 --> 00:36:22,345
Do you feel like
you can go home
966
00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,548
and start your life
as this being--
967
00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:25,949
- Yeah.
- A chapter behind you.
968
00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:27,584
Like, are you open
to talking to her ever again?
969
00:36:27,653 --> 00:36:29,553
- I feel like
I got what I needed.
970
00:36:29,621 --> 00:36:32,055
And I think this will
probably be the last day.
971
00:36:32,124 --> 00:36:33,957
At this moment,
I don't want anything.
972
00:36:34,026 --> 00:36:35,225
- OK.
973
00:36:35,294 --> 00:36:37,294
- Go in there and with love
and just say,
974
00:36:37,362 --> 00:36:39,396
"This is how this
is gonna work for me."
975
00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:41,464
- That sounds good.
- Want to go do that?
976
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:43,133
- Yeah.
- OK.
977
00:36:43,202 --> 00:36:48,305
♪ ♪
978
00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:50,540
- Place to sit?
979
00:36:52,144 --> 00:36:54,744
- Y'all can sit over there.
980
00:36:54,813 --> 00:36:56,947
- This is good.
981
00:36:57,015 --> 00:36:58,481
OK.
982
00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:01,718
Now that we're sitting
and we've expressed
983
00:37:01,787 --> 00:37:05,322
our more sort of volatile,
toxic feelings and hurt,
984
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,091
I think it's important
to clear up the actions
985
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,694
you admit that you did do.
986
00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:12,629
You've owned up to it being you
987
00:37:12,698 --> 00:37:13,797
that used the money,
988
00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:15,665
despite initially blaming
on your sister.
989
00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,234
- Yeah,
I blamed it on my sister.
990
00:37:17,302 --> 00:37:20,036
You know,
I told Shay it was my sister,
991
00:37:20,105 --> 00:37:22,806
but it was actually me
because I didn't want
992
00:37:22,874 --> 00:37:26,710
to seem even more like an
asshole, you know, at the time.
993
00:37:26,778 --> 00:37:29,246
So I just blamed it
on my sister
994
00:37:29,314 --> 00:37:31,081
to get my name cleared.
995
00:37:31,149 --> 00:37:33,450
- Do you remember
why you took the money?
996
00:37:33,518 --> 00:37:35,619
- Well, I was going
through a lot then.
997
00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:38,121
I was homeless.
998
00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:41,591
And being with Shay just took
my mind off a lot of that.
999
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:43,660
- I understand she was going
through her things,
1000
00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:46,863
but that put me in a jam too
1001
00:37:46,932 --> 00:37:49,299
because I couldn't get grocery,
1002
00:37:49,368 --> 00:37:50,900
and that took from our mouths.
1003
00:37:50,969 --> 00:37:53,536
- Right.
- So I'm sorry for that.
1004
00:37:53,605 --> 00:37:55,672
[soft music]
1005
00:37:55,741 --> 00:37:59,442
- Beyond this money thing,
you're clearly feeling a lot.
1006
00:37:59,511 --> 00:38:01,544
♪ ♪
1007
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:02,879
- I don't know.
1008
00:38:02,948 --> 00:38:05,548
I don't know how
we gon' come back from this.
1009
00:38:06,752 --> 00:38:08,918
You know, we both lost.
1010
00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:12,555
You know, I lost somebody
that I truly loved...
1011
00:38:20,098 --> 00:38:22,232
I really do regret everything
I did to you.
1012
00:38:22,301 --> 00:38:25,669
And that's why I tried
to fix it on my own.
1013
00:38:25,737 --> 00:38:30,173
I went to counseling to get
over the pain with Shay.
1014
00:38:31,243 --> 00:38:34,644
I stopped doing
what I was doing
1015
00:38:34,713 --> 00:38:39,416
because I genuinely
regretted hurting you.
1016
00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:42,686
I have always been
in love with Shay.
1017
00:38:42,754 --> 00:38:45,588
I don't know if I'm
over her, you know?
1018
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:48,325
So I can't have
no friendship with her
1019
00:38:48,393 --> 00:38:52,262
because I just don't want
to fall back in love with her,
1020
00:38:52,331 --> 00:38:53,730
you know?
1021
00:38:53,799 --> 00:38:55,832
She's a great person, you know?
1022
00:38:55,901 --> 00:38:59,069
I'm not gonna open
the wounds up again.
1023
00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:01,338
♪ ♪
1024
00:39:01,406 --> 00:39:04,374
- How does it feel
to hear that?
1025
00:39:04,443 --> 00:39:05,909
- Shocking.
1026
00:39:05,977 --> 00:39:08,411
Because it's been, like, years.
1027
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,918
And you know, I want you to be
able to move on and be happy.
1028
00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:17,587
- Right.
1029
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:20,857
- So it sounds like
maybe giving each other
1030
00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:22,859
some space is a good idea.
1031
00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:24,527
- Right.
1032
00:39:24,596 --> 00:39:26,596
- Yep.
1033
00:39:26,665 --> 00:39:28,598
- So is this goodbye?
1034
00:39:29,468 --> 00:39:31,301
- Yes.
1035
00:39:33,105 --> 00:39:36,373
- Well, I'm glad
we were able to do this.
1036
00:39:36,441 --> 00:39:37,540
- Thank you.
- Yeah.
1037
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:39,609
- Thank you.
- I appreciate that.
1038
00:39:39,678 --> 00:39:43,046
- ♪ I see the world
outside my door ♪
1039
00:39:43,115 --> 00:39:46,549
♪ Constant reminder
there's so much more... ♪
1040
00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:47,917
- Well, that's over with.
1041
00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:49,753
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, Nev.
1042
00:39:49,821 --> 00:39:51,821
- Nice to meet you.
1043
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:53,990
- Same.
- Nice to meet you.
1044
00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:56,960
- OK.
1045
00:39:58,697 --> 00:40:00,397
- All right.
Take care.
1046
00:40:00,465 --> 00:40:02,899
- Take care.
1047
00:40:02,968 --> 00:40:07,203
- ♪ So when I break down,
I list off the reasons ♪
1048
00:40:07,272 --> 00:40:09,906
- Are you ready to move on now?
1049
00:40:09,975 --> 00:40:12,442
- Yeah, I'm ready to move on.
1050
00:40:12,511 --> 00:40:15,145
I'm much more at peace now.
1051
00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:18,481
- ♪ I'll find a way
through the sorrow ♪
1052
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:23,153
- I'm ready to--visually
meet someone, you know?
1053
00:40:23,221 --> 00:40:25,822
I don't have to keep
looking over my shoulder.
1054
00:40:25,891 --> 00:40:32,395
♪ ♪
1055
00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:36,266
- ♪ Sleep deprivation's
got me at my heels ♪
1056
00:40:36,334 --> 00:40:38,868
♪ This year taught me
how it feels ♪
1057
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:41,037
♪ To be lost and ambitious ♪
1058
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:42,639
♪ I've been on a mission ♪
1059
00:40:42,707 --> 00:40:46,109
♪ I won't stop till I'm done ♪
1060
00:40:50,816 --> 00:40:52,048
- Angela was in a relationship
for almost 20 years,
1061
00:40:52,117 --> 00:40:53,082
but that ended.
1062
00:40:53,151 --> 00:40:54,651
Gets into TikTok,
and right away,
1063
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,486
she gets a message
from a Justin.
1064
00:40:56,555 --> 00:40:58,188
- He always would say,
"You're smart, you're pretty."
1065
00:40:58,256 --> 00:40:59,689
- You don't even know
how old he is?
1066
00:40:59,758 --> 00:41:01,758
But what's that?
- That is a wedding ring.
1067
00:41:01,827 --> 00:41:03,593
- He's married!
1068
00:41:03,662 --> 00:41:06,129
- I'm not feeling so good
about this now.
1069
00:41:06,198 --> 00:41:08,331
- Hey.
Are you Justin?