1 00:00:01,869 --> 00:00:03,168 Angela was in a relationship, 2 00:00:03,237 --> 00:00:04,536 but that ended, 3 00:00:04,605 --> 00:00:05,971 gets into TikTok, and right away, 4 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,073 she gets a message from a guy named Justin. 5 00:00:08,142 --> 00:00:10,009 - He always would say, "You're a good mother," 6 00:00:10,077 --> 00:00:11,143 "You're smart," "You're pretty." 7 00:00:11,212 --> 00:00:13,078 - You don't even know how old he is? 8 00:00:13,147 --> 00:00:15,180 What's that? - That is a wedding ring. 9 00:00:15,249 --> 00:00:17,282 - He's married! 10 00:00:17,351 --> 00:00:19,485 - I'm not feeling too good about this now. 11 00:00:19,553 --> 00:00:22,021 - Hey, are you Justin? 12 00:00:22,089 --> 00:00:25,124 [dramatic musical sting] 13 00:00:25,192 --> 00:00:26,558 Kamie's not here this episode, 14 00:00:26,627 --> 00:00:28,727 but the good news is we have an amazing replacement. 15 00:00:28,796 --> 00:00:31,730 We've got intimacy expert, who also happens to be 16 00:00:31,799 --> 00:00:33,565 a super rad chick. 17 00:00:33,634 --> 00:00:35,734 She's ready to crack this case with us, 18 00:00:35,803 --> 00:00:38,203 and her name is Shan Boodram. 19 00:00:38,272 --> 00:00:40,072 - Wassup! 20 00:00:40,141 --> 00:00:42,674 - Shan is truly one of a kind-- 21 00:00:42,743 --> 00:00:44,643 a renowned sexologist, 22 00:00:44,712 --> 00:00:47,446 her YouTube channel has over 70 million views. 23 00:00:47,515 --> 00:00:50,082 - You were just open, saying yes to pleasure-- 24 00:00:50,151 --> 00:00:51,383 - Yes. - But pleasure in all forms. 25 00:00:51,452 --> 00:00:52,951 - So with Kamie gone this week, 26 00:00:53,020 --> 00:00:55,754 what better person to try to help us find love online 27 00:00:55,823 --> 00:00:57,556 than Shan Boodram? 28 00:00:57,625 --> 00:00:59,024 - I'm also Kamie's friend. 29 00:00:59,093 --> 00:01:00,959 - Oh, and friend of Kamie? - Yes, I'm a friend of Kamie. 30 00:01:01,028 --> 00:01:02,394 - Oh, so you're a perfect surrogate? 31 00:01:02,463 --> 00:01:03,762 - I'm a perfect surrogate. 32 00:01:03,831 --> 00:01:08,200 - So what is sexology and intimacy work? 33 00:01:08,269 --> 00:01:10,135 - So I always say sexologist is to sex-- 34 00:01:10,204 --> 00:01:11,270 - Right. - What a nutritionist 35 00:01:11,338 --> 00:01:13,272 is to food. So a chef cooks the food-- 36 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:14,740 - Yes. - And prepares for you. 37 00:01:14,809 --> 00:01:16,308 So that would be a sex worker. 38 00:01:16,377 --> 00:01:20,913 So a sexologist studies sex and studies the psychology 39 00:01:20,981 --> 00:01:22,981 and the biology and the sociology of sex, 40 00:01:23,050 --> 00:01:25,784 and it maybe provides insight to chefs 41 00:01:25,853 --> 00:01:27,219 to be able to cook better food. 42 00:01:27,288 --> 00:01:30,222 I actually hope that it's a kinky case-- 43 00:01:30,291 --> 00:01:31,990 kinky case, kinky case. 44 00:01:32,059 --> 00:01:33,125 - [chuckles] 45 00:01:33,194 --> 00:01:34,726 Well, let's see. 46 00:01:34,795 --> 00:01:36,295 All right, we got an email. 47 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:40,332 "Hey, Nev and"... 48 00:01:40,401 --> 00:01:42,134 - Surrogate Kamie. - Yes, exactly. 49 00:01:44,438 --> 00:01:47,306 - ♪ If I fall down, then I get back up ♪ 50 00:01:47,374 --> 00:01:50,509 - "I'm 41 and a working actress. 51 00:01:50,578 --> 00:01:54,146 "I live in Howell, New Jersey with my three gorgeous kids. 52 00:01:54,215 --> 00:01:56,815 "2 years ago, when I was turning 40, 53 00:01:56,884 --> 00:01:58,350 "I wanted to change my whole life, 54 00:01:58,419 --> 00:02:01,019 so I decided to embrace my fabulousness." 55 00:02:01,088 --> 00:02:02,488 - As you should. - "I ended 56 00:02:02,556 --> 00:02:06,158 "a 20-year relationship, 57 00:02:06,227 --> 00:02:08,660 and found myself confused by dating." 58 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:09,828 - ♪ I'm not breaking ♪ 59 00:02:09,897 --> 00:02:11,697 ♪ He'll know I don't quit ♪ 60 00:02:11,765 --> 00:02:14,032 - "I can barely tell a Tinder from a tweet." 61 00:02:14,101 --> 00:02:15,734 - [laughs] - "I started focusing 62 00:02:15,803 --> 00:02:17,302 on what I was passionate about"-- 63 00:02:17,371 --> 00:02:19,171 - Mm-hmm. - "Kids, entertaining, 64 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,472 "and my social media. 65 00:02:20,541 --> 00:02:23,008 "This past July, I posted on TikTok 66 00:02:23,077 --> 00:02:26,278 "about going to NYC to do some background work 67 00:02:26,347 --> 00:02:27,946 "and Justin, 68 00:02:28,015 --> 00:02:30,549 "a total stranger, commented. 69 00:02:30,618 --> 00:02:33,652 He asked if he could meet up with me while I was there." 70 00:02:33,721 --> 00:02:36,188 - ♪ Move it, each step is showing I can ♪ 71 00:02:36,257 --> 00:02:37,456 ♪ Do it, I'm working ♪ 72 00:02:37,525 --> 00:02:40,259 - "I thought he was nuts, because who does that? 73 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:42,227 "But then I decided, 'What the hell?' 74 00:02:42,296 --> 00:02:43,862 "And said yes. 75 00:02:43,931 --> 00:02:47,366 "Unfortunately, we didn't make that meetup happen. 76 00:02:47,434 --> 00:02:48,500 "But from then on, 77 00:02:48,569 --> 00:02:50,402 "Justin was in my DMs 78 00:02:50,471 --> 00:02:52,404 "and messaging me daily. 79 00:02:52,473 --> 00:02:53,872 "He's intelligent, warm, 80 00:02:53,941 --> 00:02:57,609 "and not used to a man being so kind and attentive. 81 00:02:57,678 --> 00:03:00,379 "I thought we'd meet pretty quickly, 82 00:03:00,447 --> 00:03:02,281 "but now it's more than two months, 83 00:03:02,349 --> 00:03:03,782 and we haven't had a single date." 84 00:03:03,851 --> 00:03:05,050 - Justin... 85 00:03:05,119 --> 00:03:06,351 - "When I try to meet him, 86 00:03:06,420 --> 00:03:08,520 "there's always an excuse. 87 00:03:08,589 --> 00:03:11,223 "I was delusional for the 20 years I was with my ex, 88 00:03:11,292 --> 00:03:14,026 "and I don't wanna make the same mistake twice. 89 00:03:14,094 --> 00:03:16,528 "It's taken a lot for me to put myself out there again, 90 00:03:16,597 --> 00:03:20,699 "and the idea that he might be lying to me is devastating. 91 00:03:20,768 --> 00:03:22,834 "But if he's not trustworthy, 92 00:03:22,903 --> 00:03:24,570 then it's time for us to part ways." 93 00:03:24,638 --> 00:03:26,038 - ♪ No time for losing ♪ 94 00:03:30,077 --> 00:03:31,743 - Can I just say-- what a pro move, 95 00:03:31,812 --> 00:03:32,844 if this is a catfish, 96 00:03:32,913 --> 00:03:35,380 to make the first bit of contact, 97 00:03:35,449 --> 00:03:36,582 "I wanna meet you," 98 00:03:36,650 --> 00:03:38,417 because that takes the doubt away. 99 00:03:38,485 --> 00:03:40,085 - Oh, it really sort of locks in the, like, 100 00:03:40,154 --> 00:03:41,253 "Oh, yeah, we should meet up." - Yeah, like, 101 00:03:41,322 --> 00:03:42,221 "I'm a real person." - He's very bold. 102 00:03:42,289 --> 00:03:43,555 - It's a very bold thing. - Right. 103 00:03:43,624 --> 00:03:45,290 - Yeah. - Shall we call Angela? 104 00:03:45,359 --> 00:03:46,391 - I'm very excited. - Find out more? 105 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:49,094 Okay. [phone line trilling] 106 00:03:49,163 --> 00:03:51,263 - Hello, is this Angela? 107 00:03:51,332 --> 00:03:54,967 - Hello, Angela, this is Nev from "Catfish." 108 00:03:56,670 --> 00:03:58,770 - I got your email, and before we get into it-- 109 00:03:58,839 --> 00:04:01,073 Kamie is not on this episode, 110 00:04:01,141 --> 00:04:04,476 but I have someone so fantastic, 111 00:04:04,545 --> 00:04:06,378 who is helping me, named Shan. 112 00:04:06,447 --> 00:04:07,646 - Hello, Angela. 113 00:04:09,950 --> 00:04:11,216 - And now you're single, 114 00:04:11,285 --> 00:04:14,086 welcome to the wild, [bleep] up world 115 00:04:14,154 --> 00:04:15,287 of internet dating. 116 00:04:16,457 --> 00:04:18,223 - It's a lot. 117 00:04:18,292 --> 00:04:20,325 - So you just recently started your TikTok account, 118 00:04:20,394 --> 00:04:22,261 started posting videos, and all of a sudden, 119 00:04:22,329 --> 00:04:23,829 this guy just hits you up? 120 00:04:23,897 --> 00:04:26,064 - Was he super fine in his little-ass circle picture, 121 00:04:26,133 --> 00:04:27,232 and you're like, "I'ma tap it"? 122 00:04:30,037 --> 00:04:32,504 - Huh. Well, we are going 123 00:04:32,573 --> 00:04:35,140 to come to New Jersey, and we are gonna help you. 124 00:04:37,411 --> 00:04:38,810 - All right, we'll see you tomorrow, Angela. 125 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:39,945 - Bye, Angela. - Bye. 126 00:04:41,015 --> 00:04:42,648 - Wow. - He's not getting a lot. 127 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:45,284 - No, but she's been getting so little, I think, 128 00:04:45,352 --> 00:04:46,952 for so long. - That is true. 129 00:04:47,021 --> 00:04:48,787 - I mean, after 20 years in a relationship, 130 00:04:48,856 --> 00:04:51,223 I'm sure you know, if it's not going well-- 131 00:04:51,292 --> 00:04:53,925 like, she hasn't had love and affection in her life 132 00:04:53,994 --> 00:04:55,494 in so many years-- - Yeah. 133 00:04:55,562 --> 00:04:58,363 - Just to have some other person reach out to her 134 00:04:58,432 --> 00:05:00,866 and shower her with affection or attention, 135 00:05:00,934 --> 00:05:03,268 like, probably means a lot to her. 136 00:05:03,337 --> 00:05:05,170 - I feel heavy but hopeful. 137 00:05:05,239 --> 00:05:06,538 - Great. - Let's do it. 138 00:05:06,607 --> 00:05:10,042 Okay, the journey begins. 139 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:13,578 - We're on our way to New Jersey. 140 00:05:13,647 --> 00:05:15,547 - I don't know what I'm signing up for. 141 00:05:15,616 --> 00:05:17,883 Hello to the unknown. 142 00:05:17,951 --> 00:05:19,217 - ♪ The world is ours ♪ 143 00:05:19,286 --> 00:05:21,153 ♪ The world is ours ♪ 144 00:05:21,221 --> 00:05:22,721 - We made it. 145 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:24,656 - When was the last time you were in New Jersey? 146 00:05:24,725 --> 00:05:26,391 - I wanna say maybe never. 147 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:29,628 - Well, you will never forget New Jersey after this. 148 00:05:29,697 --> 00:05:31,863 - Yeah, I'm extremely curious about this story. 149 00:05:31,932 --> 00:05:34,599 - Something's going on, and we need to figure it out. 150 00:05:34,668 --> 00:05:36,268 There it is. 151 00:05:36,337 --> 00:05:38,170 - Oh, wow. 152 00:05:38,238 --> 00:05:40,205 [doorbell rings] - Oh. 153 00:05:40,274 --> 00:05:41,673 Hey! - Hi! 154 00:05:41,742 --> 00:05:43,508 - Wow. - Hello. 155 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:44,710 - Are you Angela? - I am. 156 00:05:44,778 --> 00:05:46,445 - Angela, I'm gonna shove you right now. 157 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:47,646 - [chuckles] - You're so hot. 158 00:05:47,715 --> 00:05:49,514 - Yeah, right? - Let me get in here. 159 00:05:49,583 --> 00:05:50,716 - [laughs] 160 00:05:50,784 --> 00:05:52,351 - Wow, this place is gorgeous. 161 00:05:52,419 --> 00:05:53,952 - Thank you. Make yourself at home. 162 00:05:54,021 --> 00:05:55,987 - Oh, thank you. - Thanks for flying down. 163 00:05:56,056 --> 00:05:57,322 - Sure. 164 00:05:57,391 --> 00:06:00,125 So aside from the full-time job of mothering, 165 00:06:00,194 --> 00:06:01,793 you're an actress? - Yes. 166 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:03,695 I just started that same time I started my TikToks. 167 00:06:03,764 --> 00:06:04,996 That's why I kind of started. 168 00:06:05,065 --> 00:06:07,599 - Huh. - So this was post-divorce. 169 00:06:07,668 --> 00:06:09,735 WE were completely separated for at least two years, 170 00:06:09,803 --> 00:06:12,104 but we weren't really-- it was, like, hot and cold 171 00:06:12,172 --> 00:06:13,372 before that. - Right. 172 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,773 - Just staying together for the kids. 173 00:06:14,842 --> 00:06:16,575 - So when you broke up, is that when you were like, 174 00:06:16,643 --> 00:06:18,377 "I'm going to do all the things 175 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:20,011 "that I couldn't do, 'cause I felt stifled 176 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,847 in the relationship"? - Yeah, and I think I had 177 00:06:21,915 --> 00:06:23,515 a low self-esteem, so I was trying to build 178 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:25,450 my confidence and self-esteem back up. 179 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:27,152 - So have you been going on dates? 180 00:06:27,221 --> 00:06:28,420 - No. - No? 181 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:30,122 - Haven't at all. - So Justin's really, like, 182 00:06:30,190 --> 00:06:31,723 the first guy you've talked to? 183 00:06:31,792 --> 00:06:34,059 - He was the first one that I felt like I connected with. 184 00:06:34,128 --> 00:06:36,595 - So tell us about your connection with Justin. 185 00:06:36,663 --> 00:06:38,930 - I started making, um, Instagram videos and TikToks, 186 00:06:38,999 --> 00:06:41,099 and then he would like the content I was posting. 187 00:06:41,168 --> 00:06:42,067 - What was the video? 188 00:06:42,136 --> 00:06:44,069 - One of those silhouette videos 189 00:06:44,138 --> 00:06:45,237 where you don't have clothes on. 190 00:06:45,305 --> 00:06:46,571 - Oh. - Yeah... 191 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,006 - Wow. Do you remember 192 00:06:48,075 --> 00:06:49,274 what the comment was? 193 00:06:49,343 --> 00:06:50,776 - A puppy dog thing, and he's like, 194 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:52,177 "I have to see another one of these," 195 00:06:52,246 --> 00:06:53,311 or something. - Oh, okay. 196 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:54,579 - But it made me, like, giggle. 197 00:06:54,648 --> 00:06:55,914 - Sure. - It made me smile. 198 00:06:55,983 --> 00:06:58,049 Again, I'm going into this with low self-confidence, 199 00:06:58,118 --> 00:07:00,352 and he just boosted my self-esteem. 200 00:07:00,421 --> 00:07:03,121 He made me feel desired and liked and stuff. 201 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:04,856 So then I'm like, "All right." I hearted it, 202 00:07:04,925 --> 00:07:06,258 and I put, "I'll see what I can do 203 00:07:06,326 --> 00:07:08,727 about making another video." 204 00:07:08,796 --> 00:07:10,462 - Okay, so then... 205 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:11,663 - He started following me-- 206 00:07:11,732 --> 00:07:12,798 - Right. - And then I followed him back, 207 00:07:12,866 --> 00:07:13,799 'cause that was how he was able to get 208 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:14,800 into the inbox. 209 00:07:14,868 --> 00:07:15,934 - Right. - Yes. 210 00:07:16,003 --> 00:07:17,202 - Then once he gets into the inbox, 211 00:07:17,271 --> 00:07:18,570 then it was kind of, like, a daily thing-- 212 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:20,172 a "Good morning," "How are you doing?" 213 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,207 "What do you do?" Then it was consistent. 214 00:07:22,276 --> 00:07:23,675 - "What do you do?" - Right. 215 00:07:23,744 --> 00:07:25,811 - That, would then, I assume, 216 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:28,513 prompt a conversation about what he does. 217 00:07:28,582 --> 00:07:30,415 Do you know what he does? - Mm-mm. 218 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:32,217 I never got full answers, 219 00:07:32,286 --> 00:07:35,153 because then it would turn into another conversation. 220 00:07:35,222 --> 00:07:36,822 - 'Cause he's asking lots of questions? 221 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:38,457 - Correct. He's spitting out stuff-- 222 00:07:38,525 --> 00:07:39,491 I'm answering. - Right. 223 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,625 - And then I answer something, 224 00:07:40,694 --> 00:07:41,927 but then it gets lost in the jumble. 225 00:07:41,995 --> 00:07:44,629 - That's okay. So you're DMing on TikTok 226 00:07:44,698 --> 00:07:45,764 and Instagram? - No. 227 00:07:45,833 --> 00:07:46,898 That what I was just gonna get into. 228 00:07:46,967 --> 00:07:48,967 So then I develop this Instagram page, 229 00:07:49,036 --> 00:07:50,836 and I'm putting up videos. 230 00:07:50,904 --> 00:07:53,538 All of a sudden, I see this anime guy 231 00:07:53,607 --> 00:07:57,075 keep liking my videos. and his name is garynatsu, 232 00:07:57,144 --> 00:07:58,610 and he gets in the inbox-- 233 00:07:58,679 --> 00:08:01,379 "Just to let you know, this is Justin from TikTok." 234 00:08:01,448 --> 00:08:02,981 - Huh. - So I'm like, "Okay." 235 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:05,884 - Was it--okay. Had he specified 236 00:08:05,953 --> 00:08:07,452 what his name is? 237 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:10,121 - He never actually told me whether it was Justin or Gary. 238 00:08:10,190 --> 00:08:12,324 - You never said, "Oh, it's kind of strange 239 00:08:12,392 --> 00:08:14,226 you have two names on these different platforms"? 240 00:08:14,294 --> 00:08:16,495 - He said he was into, like, anime and stuff like that. 241 00:08:16,563 --> 00:08:18,630 - So that's just his, like, gamey profile. 242 00:08:18,699 --> 00:08:20,432 - It confused me. I am older. 243 00:08:20,501 --> 00:08:22,534 So whatever--I knew it was the same person, 244 00:08:22,603 --> 00:08:24,536 so I felt comfortable enough to keep talking, 245 00:08:24,605 --> 00:08:27,138 but as far as the name, the job, even the age-- 246 00:08:27,207 --> 00:08:28,874 - You don't even know how old he is? 247 00:08:28,942 --> 00:08:30,775 - I'm assuming he was around my age 248 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:33,111 because of the content of his language. 249 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:35,013 - So you think his name is Justin what? 250 00:08:35,082 --> 00:08:36,414 - I don't know his last name. - Oh. 251 00:08:36,483 --> 00:08:37,816 - Have you ever asked him his name? 252 00:08:37,885 --> 00:08:38,884 - Um, not really, 253 00:08:38,952 --> 00:08:41,152 because I kind of-- when I'm saying, 254 00:08:41,221 --> 00:08:42,721 "My name is this," I'm waiting for you 255 00:08:42,789 --> 00:08:44,623 to respond with yours. When I say, "I'm 41," 256 00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:46,391 I'm waiting for you to respond back. 257 00:08:46,460 --> 00:08:48,326 - But there's something about him that you're like, 258 00:08:48,395 --> 00:08:50,195 "I wanna chase"-- - I don't chase, but yes, 259 00:08:50,264 --> 00:08:52,197 there's something about certain ways 260 00:08:52,266 --> 00:08:53,465 and things that were said. 261 00:08:53,534 --> 00:08:55,367 Like, in the morning, um, so-- 262 00:08:55,435 --> 00:08:56,868 "Are you feeling better from the night before?" 263 00:08:56,937 --> 00:08:58,803 Like, little things-- like, "Oh, did you get to do 264 00:08:58,872 --> 00:09:00,138 what you wanted last week?" 265 00:09:00,207 --> 00:09:01,673 Or "What are you gonna have for lunch?" 266 00:09:01,742 --> 00:09:03,375 Just little things like that. 267 00:09:03,443 --> 00:09:05,510 It's not something that everybody asks. 268 00:09:05,579 --> 00:09:07,412 - So it's just less about the banter 269 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,047 and more about the care-- 270 00:09:09,116 --> 00:09:10,382 he cares. - Right. 271 00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:12,250 - And do you have his phone number? 272 00:09:12,319 --> 00:09:14,286 - I have it, yes. - So you did text? 273 00:09:14,354 --> 00:09:15,387 - We did once. - Once? 274 00:09:15,455 --> 00:09:17,255 - Yeah, once, and the next morning, 275 00:09:17,324 --> 00:09:18,256 we went back to the apps. 276 00:09:18,325 --> 00:09:22,460 - Unless you're hiding 277 00:09:22,529 --> 00:09:24,596 you're relationship... - Right, right, right. 278 00:09:24,665 --> 00:09:26,364 - In which case, you don't want text messages 279 00:09:26,433 --> 00:09:28,033 coming up on your phone. - Yes. 280 00:09:28,101 --> 00:09:31,036 - Why wouldn't he-- - Yeah, that is strange. 281 00:09:31,104 --> 00:09:33,238 How do you know he feels intimately about you? 282 00:09:33,307 --> 00:09:34,873 - He always would say, "You're very kind," 283 00:09:34,942 --> 00:09:35,874 "You're a good mother," 284 00:09:35,943 --> 00:09:37,142 "You're smart," "You're pretty." 285 00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:39,144 - But has he ever said, "I really like you"? 286 00:09:39,212 --> 00:09:40,545 - Yes. - Okay. 287 00:09:40,614 --> 00:09:42,080 - Definitely said that. - But have you made any plans 288 00:09:42,149 --> 00:09:43,448 to meet up? - We did--we were supposed to 289 00:09:43,517 --> 00:09:45,817 meet on 42nd Street when I was out there one day, 290 00:09:45,886 --> 00:09:47,018 and I told him I'm waiting. 291 00:09:47,087 --> 00:09:48,587 I waited about 45 minutes, 292 00:09:48,655 --> 00:09:50,455 then I actually wanted to catch the sunset. 293 00:09:50,524 --> 00:09:52,123 So I says, "I'm heading over to Brooklyn 294 00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:54,059 so I could see the sunset over the bridge." 295 00:09:54,127 --> 00:09:55,927 Then I'm getting a text, "Oh, I was there. 296 00:09:55,996 --> 00:09:57,562 Where were you?" - Oh, and then he gets 297 00:09:57,631 --> 00:09:58,730 to 42nd Street-- - Yes. 298 00:09:58,799 --> 00:09:59,798 - He's like, "Oh, I'm here, where are you?" 299 00:09:59,866 --> 00:10:01,299 - Correct. 300 00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:05,470 - Can we take a sort of scroll through some of your messages 301 00:10:05,539 --> 00:10:08,673 and just get a sense of your relationship? 302 00:10:08,742 --> 00:10:10,241 - All right, I have a lot. - So these are your messages? 303 00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:12,277 - Those are our messages from Instagram. 304 00:10:12,346 --> 00:10:14,412 - He said, "Good morning. Have a great day filming"-- 305 00:10:14,481 --> 00:10:16,548 just positive affirmations, 306 00:10:16,617 --> 00:10:17,983 being very supportive. 307 00:10:18,051 --> 00:10:19,751 - Yes. - It's amazing 308 00:10:19,820 --> 00:10:21,820 how many messages you guys have here. 309 00:10:21,888 --> 00:10:23,588 Oh, it's a lot, geez. 310 00:10:23,657 --> 00:10:24,956 - We talk daily. 311 00:10:25,025 --> 00:10:26,491 - I will say here, Angela, 312 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,727 I haven't seen you ask him one question yet. 313 00:10:28,795 --> 00:10:31,930 So you might respond back to what he says, 314 00:10:31,999 --> 00:10:34,099 like, "That's crazy," but not like, 315 00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:35,800 "Wow, how did you feel about that?" 316 00:10:35,869 --> 00:10:37,002 - Mm-hmm. - Or I haven't seen you 317 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:39,004 directly ask him, like, "Where do you live?" 318 00:10:39,072 --> 00:10:42,240 "What do you do?" "What are you into?" 319 00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:43,942 - Wait, is this him? - Yes, that's one of him. 320 00:10:44,011 --> 00:10:45,310 - Wow, 321 00:10:45,379 --> 00:10:47,278 and he sent you these on TikTok? 322 00:10:47,347 --> 00:10:48,713 - Yeah. - Okay, that's not 323 00:10:48,782 --> 00:10:50,181 a vague photo at all. 324 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:52,117 It's pretty clear. - Okay, so wait a second. 325 00:10:52,185 --> 00:10:53,785 So these are pretty specific photos. 326 00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:55,654 - It's the same guy. It's the same nose--yeah. 327 00:10:55,722 --> 00:10:57,222 - Huh. Yeah, I mean, 328 00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:58,857 some of the things about this guy 329 00:10:58,925 --> 00:11:00,592 seem very suspicious, 330 00:11:00,661 --> 00:11:02,861 and then, some things seem very legit. 331 00:11:02,929 --> 00:11:04,129 - Loveable, right. That's what I'm saying. 332 00:11:04,197 --> 00:11:06,531 I get--I'm very confused about the whole situation. 333 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,933 - All right, so look, we are going to figure this out. 334 00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:10,301 - Thank you. 335 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:11,670 - We'll check back in with you tomorrow 336 00:11:11,738 --> 00:11:13,038 an go from there. 337 00:11:13,106 --> 00:11:14,539 - Thanks for joining me. 338 00:11:14,608 --> 00:11:15,640 - [grunts] 339 00:11:15,709 --> 00:11:17,809 Good to meet you. 340 00:11:17,878 --> 00:11:19,277 - Nice to meet you, Angela. 341 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:20,679 - Can't wait to see you guys. 342 00:11:20,747 --> 00:11:22,681 Find out everything. 343 00:11:22,749 --> 00:11:24,749 [dramatic music] 344 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:26,551 - Not what I expected. 345 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:28,887 She's not what I expected. - No, not at all. 346 00:11:28,955 --> 00:11:30,922 - And this guy, you know, like, their relationship, 347 00:11:30,991 --> 00:11:32,323 I get it. - Yes. 348 00:11:32,392 --> 00:11:35,894 - You know, I don't know if I get it as much for him. 349 00:11:35,962 --> 00:11:37,595 - She's an attractive woman, 350 00:11:37,664 --> 00:11:40,031 and he obviously slid in her DMs 351 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:42,000 or commented on, like, a sexy video. 352 00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:43,535 - Sure, sure. - So it feels like he would be 353 00:11:43,603 --> 00:11:46,104 incentivized to try to have a physical relationship. 354 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:47,739 But because he's not trying to pursue 355 00:11:47,808 --> 00:11:49,007 this in-person relationship, 356 00:11:49,076 --> 00:11:51,076 but he's still trying to maintain contact-- 357 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:52,911 that's the strange thing. 358 00:11:52,979 --> 00:11:55,413 I get why she likes Justin. 359 00:11:55,482 --> 00:11:58,049 I don't get him. 360 00:11:58,118 --> 00:11:59,250 - That's what's crazy. 361 00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:01,753 What's this guy want from Angela? 362 00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:05,123 - All right. - This place looks cozy-- 363 00:12:05,192 --> 00:12:06,725 like a magical coffee shop. 364 00:12:06,793 --> 00:12:08,827 - What, a crystal ball? 365 00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:10,228 This is crazy. - Whoa! 366 00:12:10,297 --> 00:12:12,130 - I've never seen a crystal ball in my life. 367 00:12:12,199 --> 00:12:14,432 Oh, yes, he's staring intently into the ball. 368 00:12:14,501 --> 00:12:15,500 [eerie music] 369 00:12:15,569 --> 00:12:17,135 - Crystal ball... - What do you see? 370 00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:20,438 - Is Justin a catfish playa? 371 00:12:20,507 --> 00:12:22,273 ♪ ♪ 372 00:12:22,342 --> 00:12:23,274 - Hint? - I'm not getting anything. 373 00:12:23,343 --> 00:12:24,609 - Not--okay, let it go. 374 00:12:24,678 --> 00:12:27,746 - "Ask again later." [both laugh] 375 00:12:27,814 --> 00:12:30,048 Right, Angela's 41. 376 00:12:30,117 --> 00:12:32,317 She was in a relationship for almost 20 years. 377 00:12:32,385 --> 00:12:33,818 It yielded three children, 378 00:12:33,887 --> 00:12:36,187 but left her broken. 379 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:37,922 For two years now, she's been single, 380 00:12:37,991 --> 00:12:39,290 getting her life back on track, 381 00:12:39,359 --> 00:12:40,458 gets into TikTok. 382 00:12:40,527 --> 00:12:42,427 That takes off, and right away, 383 00:12:42,496 --> 00:12:44,329 she starts getting comments and messages 384 00:12:44,397 --> 00:12:46,397 and notices one from a guy named Justin. 385 00:12:46,466 --> 00:12:47,966 They start talking every day. 386 00:12:48,034 --> 00:12:49,934 It's now been two months, and the couple times they planned 387 00:12:50,003 --> 00:12:51,803 on meeting up, something's happened. 388 00:12:51,872 --> 00:12:53,104 Something comes up for work... 389 00:12:53,173 --> 00:12:54,672 - Or that date-- is it not strange 390 00:12:54,741 --> 00:12:56,274 he "couldn't find her" in New York? 391 00:12:56,343 --> 00:12:58,276 - Over the years, making this show, 392 00:12:58,345 --> 00:13:01,012 that's a very typical catfish move. 393 00:13:01,081 --> 00:13:02,847 It's a tactic. - Mm-hmm. 394 00:13:02,916 --> 00:13:04,783 - So Angela sent us an email. 395 00:13:04,851 --> 00:13:06,217 It says, "Hey, Nev and Shan"-- 396 00:13:06,286 --> 00:13:07,685 you made it into the email. - Yes. 397 00:13:07,754 --> 00:13:08,987 - "Thank you for coming out here 398 00:13:09,055 --> 00:13:10,655 "to help me with this whole situation. 399 00:13:10,724 --> 00:13:13,892 "What I know is that his name is Justin, 400 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,394 but he also goes by Gary." 401 00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:18,830 [laughs] "But I know his name is Justin. 402 00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:20,398 "He lives in Brooklyn. 403 00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:21,699 "Here's his Instagram. 404 00:13:21,768 --> 00:13:24,803 "His TikTok URL is [bleep] Justin," 405 00:13:24,871 --> 00:13:25,804 and a phone number. 406 00:13:25,872 --> 00:13:27,438 "I'm sending the photos I have. 407 00:13:27,507 --> 00:13:29,073 "If you have any questions or need anything else from me, 408 00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:30,809 feel free to call or text." 409 00:13:30,877 --> 00:13:32,644 - I'm tingling right now. Where do we start? 410 00:13:32,712 --> 00:13:34,312 - Let's just do an image search 411 00:13:34,381 --> 00:13:35,580 even though I can't imagine 412 00:13:35,649 --> 00:13:37,749 we're gonna find any of these pictures anywhere. 413 00:13:37,818 --> 00:13:39,117 So here's the first one. 414 00:13:39,186 --> 00:13:40,952 Okay, nothing there. 415 00:13:41,021 --> 00:13:41,986 All right, next pic. 416 00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:44,522 [suspenseful music] 417 00:13:44,591 --> 00:13:47,425 Nothin', Last one. 418 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:50,195 ♪ ♪ 419 00:13:50,263 --> 00:13:52,697 Negative. All right, so enough with that. 420 00:13:52,766 --> 00:13:55,433 Let's run the phone number. 421 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:56,835 New York, New York, 422 00:13:56,903 --> 00:13:59,037 but no name associated with this number. 423 00:13:59,105 --> 00:14:01,706 Let's try another site. 424 00:14:01,775 --> 00:14:03,074 Kay, again, nothing. 425 00:14:03,143 --> 00:14:04,676 - Is that strange 426 00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:06,377 for the phone thing not to check out? 427 00:14:06,446 --> 00:14:09,214 - No. Often, phone numbers 428 00:14:09,282 --> 00:14:11,382 will come up to other people's names, 429 00:14:11,451 --> 00:14:13,351 or like in this case, it doesn't come back 430 00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:15,520 with a name at all. - Okay. 431 00:14:15,589 --> 00:14:16,654 - So what else do we have here? 432 00:14:16,723 --> 00:14:18,423 We have Instagram. 433 00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:19,657 Here is his Instagram. Okay, so-- 434 00:14:19,726 --> 00:14:21,759 - Okay. - It appears his name 435 00:14:21,828 --> 00:14:23,461 is Gary--last name, Natsu. 436 00:14:23,530 --> 00:14:25,530 Like, can we just look that up and just see if Natsu 437 00:14:25,599 --> 00:14:28,700 is some, like, slang, Urban Dictionary thing? 438 00:14:28,768 --> 00:14:31,436 Oh! Natsu is a character. 439 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:33,404 So he must be a big fan of this character. 440 00:14:33,473 --> 00:14:36,174 But that still doesn't explain why he goes by Gary. 441 00:14:36,243 --> 00:14:38,276 So I wanna just look up "Gary Natsu," 442 00:14:38,345 --> 00:14:39,811 'cause could that even be 443 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,580 a more specific reference to someone? 444 00:14:42,649 --> 00:14:44,215 - Oh, he actually popped up. - Ooh, wait a second. 445 00:14:44,284 --> 00:14:46,251 There's a Facebook. 446 00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:47,819 - That is him! - Whoa! 447 00:14:47,888 --> 00:14:49,220 Wait, does she have this Facebook? 448 00:14:49,289 --> 00:14:50,788 Did she send us this? No. 449 00:14:50,857 --> 00:14:52,724 So they're not even on Facebook together, 450 00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:53,958 and here he is. 451 00:14:54,027 --> 00:14:56,427 He has a link here to a fanfiction. 452 00:14:56,496 --> 00:14:57,662 Oh, he has a Linktree? 453 00:14:57,731 --> 00:14:59,130 Linktree, garynatsu. 454 00:14:59,199 --> 00:15:00,698 [dramatic music] 455 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,600 - Royal Load-- don't know what that is. 456 00:15:02,669 --> 00:15:05,270 Wow, this is a sort of fanfiction thing, 457 00:15:05,338 --> 00:15:07,438 and look, he's even got his Instagram linked here 458 00:15:07,507 --> 00:15:09,240 to the same one that we have. 459 00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:11,075 "Pokémon trainer Gary 460 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:14,412 has lost a lot on his journey through the Kanto region." 461 00:15:14,481 --> 00:15:18,116 So this guy, yeah, he's really into fanfiction. 462 00:15:18,184 --> 00:15:19,651 So this is very much a part of his life-- 463 00:15:19,719 --> 00:15:21,386 crazy that it hasn't come up. 464 00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:22,587 - It is pretty crazy. 465 00:15:22,656 --> 00:15:24,989 - His name definitely seems to be Gary. 466 00:15:25,058 --> 00:15:26,157 We know his last name's not Natsu, 467 00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:27,659 'cause that's a character name. - Mm. 468 00:15:27,727 --> 00:15:30,295 - But, like, he doesn't call himself Justin 469 00:15:30,363 --> 00:15:32,430 in any of these spaces. - Right. 470 00:15:32,499 --> 00:15:33,998 - So that is strange. 471 00:15:34,067 --> 00:15:37,568 - Mm-hmm. - What else do we have here? 472 00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:40,672 That's definitely Justin/Gary. 473 00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:43,374 Also, look, I mean, this is definitely New York City, 474 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:45,343 100%, unmistakable. 475 00:15:45,412 --> 00:15:47,645 Look, he's even got pictures of what seem to be his house. 476 00:15:47,714 --> 00:15:50,248 It's filled with anime. 477 00:15:50,317 --> 00:15:52,283 Whoa, that's him in a mask. 478 00:15:52,352 --> 00:15:54,485 Oh, what's that? 479 00:15:54,554 --> 00:15:55,954 - Oh... 480 00:15:56,022 --> 00:15:58,122 that's a wedding ring. - It certainly looks like one. 481 00:15:58,191 --> 00:15:59,958 - It does look a wedding ring. - Right? 482 00:16:00,026 --> 00:16:02,193 That could be his wife. 483 00:16:02,262 --> 00:16:04,429 "Me and my friends celebrating my birthday... 484 00:16:04,497 --> 00:16:06,564 differences and scaring the wife"! 485 00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:09,400 He's [bleep] married! 486 00:16:09,469 --> 00:16:11,502 He said, "My wife"! 487 00:16:11,571 --> 00:16:12,637 - Oh, he tagged her. 488 00:16:12,706 --> 00:16:14,872 ♪ ♪ 489 00:16:14,941 --> 00:16:16,474 - This is--that's the girl-- - Wow. 490 00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:19,243 - From the picture! - Yeah, damn. 491 00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:20,712 - Hard to get any more info though. 492 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:23,014 Her page is private. That's a bummer. 493 00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:24,849 - All right, he's married. 494 00:16:24,918 --> 00:16:27,352 - In an interesting, somewhat unexpected twist, 495 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:29,520 all signs seem to be pointing 496 00:16:29,589 --> 00:16:32,190 to "Justin" really just being Gary, 497 00:16:32,258 --> 00:16:34,492 which is not a name he's been hiding-- 498 00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:35,927 - Right. - Who's a real guy-- 499 00:16:35,996 --> 00:16:37,729 the guy in the pictures, 500 00:16:37,797 --> 00:16:39,163 lives in New York, 501 00:16:39,232 --> 00:16:41,032 but unfortunately for Angela, 502 00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:43,501 it looks like this guy is married. 503 00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:45,436 ♪ ♪ 504 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:48,439 - We're here. 505 00:16:48,508 --> 00:16:49,607 - [grunts] 506 00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:52,810 [dramatic music] 507 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:53,978 Hey. - Hi, welcome again. 508 00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:54,979 - All right! - Hello! 509 00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:56,280 - Hello. - What's up? 510 00:16:56,349 --> 00:16:58,149 - Great to see you. - Yes, nice to see you. 511 00:16:58,218 --> 00:17:00,084 I wanna find out what we got going. 512 00:17:00,153 --> 00:17:02,487 - Well, we have a lot to talk about. 513 00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:03,955 All right, so why doesn't everyone slide in, 514 00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:06,624 so that we can all look at the screen together? 515 00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:08,326 Okay, first of all, we just said, 516 00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:10,261 "Okay, let's just look up Gary." 517 00:17:10,330 --> 00:17:11,763 - Mm-hmm. - "Even though we think 518 00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:13,798 "his name is Justin, what's this name Gary"-- 519 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:15,666 - Natsu. - Right. 520 00:17:15,735 --> 00:17:17,568 - It isn't the other name. - So you knew that? 521 00:17:17,637 --> 00:17:19,070 - No, no, no, no, no. - Oh! 522 00:17:19,139 --> 00:17:20,538 - I'm look at your internet-- - Oh, you're looking at it. 523 00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:21,606 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Okay, so Natsu 524 00:17:21,674 --> 00:17:23,474 is a character. So he's using 525 00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:25,777 an anime character as his last name. 526 00:17:25,845 --> 00:17:27,211 - Okay. - Now here's 527 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,846 something interesting-- when you Google Gary Natsu, 528 00:17:28,915 --> 00:17:30,581 there's a Facebook page. 529 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:32,550 - Oh, that's Justin! - Right. 530 00:17:32,619 --> 00:17:34,452 So there's a page. 531 00:17:34,521 --> 00:17:35,787 - He told me he didn't use Facebook. 532 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:37,855 I didn't even realize you were on Facebook. 533 00:17:37,924 --> 00:17:40,992 - But here's where we really started picking up steam. 534 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:42,160 - Mm-hmm. - When we clicked 535 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:43,795 on the About section, 536 00:17:43,863 --> 00:17:45,530 he's got a Linktree. 537 00:17:45,598 --> 00:17:46,931 Now here's something interesting-- 538 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,966 - Mm-hmm? - I just noticed this-- 539 00:17:49,035 --> 00:17:50,334 this is his Instagram page. - Mm-hmm. 540 00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:51,502 - The one you've been looking at. 541 00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:53,704 - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - What do you see 542 00:17:53,773 --> 00:17:56,074 when you look at this? 543 00:17:56,142 --> 00:17:57,675 - I mean, the anime? 544 00:17:57,744 --> 00:17:59,177 - Okay, the first thing you see is anime, 545 00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:01,913 but look harder. 546 00:18:03,783 --> 00:18:05,650 'Cause this is, I think, part of the problem. 547 00:18:05,718 --> 00:18:07,018 - That I don't see things. 548 00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:08,619 - You don't see things, 549 00:18:08,688 --> 00:18:10,221 or you don't look for things. - And they're right in my face. 550 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:12,490 - Or you're easily distracted by the wrong things. 551 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:13,825 You know what I see? 552 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:15,493 His bio. 553 00:18:15,562 --> 00:18:19,564 Right here--he's a Pokémon fanfiction writer. 554 00:18:19,632 --> 00:18:21,365 - Mm-hmm. - So he's a writer. 555 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,668 - Mm-hmm. - "Read my stories here." 556 00:18:23,736 --> 00:18:25,002 - Oh, I've never even read his stories. 557 00:18:25,071 --> 00:18:27,171 - And then a link! Here's his Linktree, 558 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,674 which has links to six different accounts 559 00:18:29,742 --> 00:18:31,075 on different websites, 560 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:34,579 one of which is a place where people post fanfiction, 561 00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:37,181 and it has a bio-- "Hey, my name is Gary, 562 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:38,583 Pokémon fan"-- - See, he's saying 563 00:18:38,651 --> 00:18:39,851 his name is Gary! - Right-- 564 00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:42,653 talks about writing fanfiction for Pokémon. 565 00:18:42,722 --> 00:18:44,822 This is something he's been doing a long time. 566 00:18:44,891 --> 00:18:47,492 - Right, and it's something I should have... 567 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,827 talked to him about. - Something--but the fact 568 00:18:49,896 --> 00:18:51,829 that he hasn't mentioned... - Never. 569 00:18:51,898 --> 00:18:53,698 - That he has a major passion... 570 00:18:53,766 --> 00:18:56,367 - Mm-hmm. - For fanfiction and writing 571 00:18:56,436 --> 00:18:58,069 and reading, like--weird! 572 00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,037 - Never has he talked about any of this. 573 00:19:00,106 --> 00:19:02,373 - So basically, at this point, we started to think, 574 00:19:02,442 --> 00:19:05,076 like, "Okay, it looks like this guy 575 00:19:05,145 --> 00:19:07,678 is mostly what you think he is," 576 00:19:07,747 --> 00:19:10,281 but we then went back to the Facebook page 577 00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:12,416 that we found and thought, "Okay, 578 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,852 "let's take a deep dive. Let's go through the posts. 579 00:19:14,921 --> 00:19:17,054 "Let's see if we can find anything 580 00:19:17,123 --> 00:19:18,222 that can tell us more." 581 00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:22,093 - Mm, and did you? - Yeah, we found this. 582 00:19:22,162 --> 00:19:25,696 Here he is with what looks like a wedding ring. 583 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:29,066 And in this post, 584 00:19:29,135 --> 00:19:33,204 he calls that woman his wife. 585 00:19:33,273 --> 00:19:35,439 - He has a wife? 586 00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:41,012 ♪ ♪ 587 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,480 That makes me upset. 588 00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:46,951 - ♪ Sometimes love feels like a heart attack ♪ 589 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,386 [vocalizes] 590 00:19:48,454 --> 00:19:49,954 I'm, like, really confused. 591 00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:51,989 - ♪ It breaks you down ♪ 592 00:19:52,058 --> 00:19:54,392 ♪ Just to bring you back ♪ 593 00:19:54,460 --> 00:19:56,427 - This is, like, deep-- you're married. 594 00:19:58,364 --> 00:20:00,331 Now this is, like, turning into more secretive-- 595 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,532 it's like he knows a lot about me, 596 00:20:01,601 --> 00:20:03,000 but I know nothing about him. 597 00:20:03,069 --> 00:20:08,072 - ♪ Sometimes love feels like a heart attack ♪ 598 00:20:08,141 --> 00:20:09,907 - But I do wanna point out 599 00:20:09,976 --> 00:20:14,278 his picture is from 2019. 600 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:17,348 So it's possible they're divorced. 601 00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:19,083 - Possibly. 602 00:20:19,152 --> 00:20:21,619 - Why wouldn't he have mentioned being married? 603 00:20:21,688 --> 00:20:25,022 - And with my ex, he's not on any of my social media. 604 00:20:25,091 --> 00:20:26,524 I erased him. - Right. 605 00:20:26,593 --> 00:20:28,159 - The fact that all this is still up-- 606 00:20:28,228 --> 00:20:29,527 maybe he's still married. 607 00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:31,162 I'm, like, really confused, 608 00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:33,197 and I feel a little scared, 'cause, like, I feel scared, 609 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:34,932 'cause, like, this guy knows so much more about me 610 00:20:35,001 --> 00:20:36,467 than I know about him. 611 00:20:36,536 --> 00:20:41,005 - ♪ Sometimes love feels like a heart attack ♪ 612 00:20:42,976 --> 00:20:45,376 - Well, I think now we're at this moment where, 613 00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:46,777 in a way, I feel more confident 614 00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:48,179 that there is, in fact, a guy named Justin 615 00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:49,313 who lives in New York City-- - Right. 616 00:20:49,382 --> 00:20:50,748 - That looks like the guy in the pictures, 617 00:20:50,817 --> 00:20:52,817 but there is still this big question mark-- 618 00:20:52,885 --> 00:20:54,485 is he married? 619 00:20:54,554 --> 00:20:55,987 - Mm-hmm. - There's no mention 620 00:20:56,055 --> 00:20:58,322 or evidence of his wife since 2019. 621 00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:01,759 So it's possible they're divorced. 622 00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:02,893 But it doesn't look like 623 00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:04,795 there's much more we can find out-- 624 00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:06,497 - Without, like, talking to him. 625 00:21:06,566 --> 00:21:08,099 You think I should just confront him? 626 00:21:08,167 --> 00:21:10,501 - Well, I don't know if I want to use the word "confront"-- 627 00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:11,802 at least not about the wife-- 628 00:21:11,871 --> 00:21:12,970 yet. - Mm-hmm. 629 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:15,606 - But I think you should call Justin. 630 00:21:15,675 --> 00:21:17,241 - Do you think we should call? - Yeah. 631 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:19,310 Let's see if he answers. - I know. 632 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:20,611 [phone line trilling] 633 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,113 - Your call has been forwarded 634 00:21:22,181 --> 00:21:25,116 to an automated voice messaging system. 635 00:21:25,184 --> 00:21:27,351 646... 636 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:29,120 - Yeah, it wasn't the name. - Right. 637 00:21:29,188 --> 00:21:30,855 What is the best way to-- [phone dings] 638 00:21:30,923 --> 00:21:32,156 Was that-- oh, that's the number. 639 00:21:32,225 --> 00:21:34,158 That's the number we called. - It is. 640 00:21:34,227 --> 00:21:35,626 - "Hey, I just missed a call from you. 641 00:21:35,695 --> 00:21:37,662 I'm at dinner with a friend." 642 00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:39,630 - Mm. - Okay, I think you say, 643 00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:41,232 "Fine, but I did want to talk to you 644 00:21:41,301 --> 00:21:43,367 about finally meeting up face-to-face." 645 00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:44,468 - I feel comfortable saying that. 646 00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:45,670 - Right. - That sounds-- 647 00:21:45,738 --> 00:21:47,305 - So you could say your version of that. 648 00:21:47,373 --> 00:21:51,042 So, "You mean a lot to me, and I would really like to see 649 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:53,477 "where this is going. I'm off tomorrow. 650 00:21:53,546 --> 00:21:55,313 Why don't we finally get together?" 651 00:21:55,381 --> 00:21:56,580 - Mm-hmm. - Nice. 652 00:21:56,649 --> 00:21:58,149 Let's see what they say. 653 00:21:58,217 --> 00:21:59,250 [phone dings] - There he is. 654 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:00,885 - Whoa, whoa! He said, "Next week 655 00:22:00,953 --> 00:22:02,486 would be better. Are you free then?" 656 00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:04,288 - He always does this. - Right, this is the thing. 657 00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:06,123 So-- - Maybe now is a good time 658 00:22:06,192 --> 00:22:07,792 for the ultimatum. - Yeah, say, 659 00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:09,860 "Cut the crap, Justin." 660 00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:11,862 That's what I would say. 661 00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:13,397 What--can you read it to us? 662 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:15,266 - "Look, I don't want any more excuses. 663 00:22:15,335 --> 00:22:17,101 "I'm tired of waiting. I emailed 'Catfish' 664 00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:18,969 for assistance, and they are here with me." 665 00:22:19,038 --> 00:22:21,405 - Wow. - Now I think I scared him. 666 00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:23,240 I'm usually a very positive, nice person. 667 00:22:23,309 --> 00:22:25,209 [phone dings] - Oh, he wrote back. 668 00:22:25,278 --> 00:22:27,011 "Um, wow, I'm really confused. 669 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,413 "You called 'Catfish,' like, because of me? 670 00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:31,382 "I honestly do think you're great too. 671 00:22:31,451 --> 00:22:33,351 "I'm just a little caught off guard 672 00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:36,220 "and not fully sure what to think nor am comfortable 673 00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:38,689 with all this. I need time to think it over." 674 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:41,559 So say, "Okay, right, I totally get. 675 00:22:41,627 --> 00:22:44,362 I look forward to hearing from you soon." 676 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:46,831 - Mm-hmm. - Okay, wow. 677 00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:49,834 Well, whether he comes to town here or we go there, 678 00:22:49,902 --> 00:22:51,068 it's now or never. 679 00:22:51,137 --> 00:22:54,538 So get some rest, and we'll see what happens. 680 00:22:54,607 --> 00:22:55,740 All right. 681 00:22:55,808 --> 00:22:57,842 - Thanks for stopping by. 682 00:22:57,910 --> 00:22:59,677 - Bye, Angela. 683 00:22:59,746 --> 00:23:02,680 It's cats and dogs over here in New Jersey. 684 00:23:02,749 --> 00:23:05,883 - It does seem like there are two versions of Justin. 685 00:23:05,952 --> 00:23:08,886 - Yes, you've got really nice, shy guy, 686 00:23:08,955 --> 00:23:11,088 who has just been shell-shocked, 687 00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:13,290 or really mischievous guy, 688 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,860 who's finally getting called out on his BS. 689 00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:18,729 Either way, Angela's love life is on the line. 690 00:23:18,798 --> 00:23:21,465 [dramatic music] 691 00:23:22,802 --> 00:23:24,735 - I brought a little breakfast. 692 00:23:24,804 --> 00:23:26,036 Hello? 693 00:23:26,105 --> 00:23:27,872 - Hello, come in. 694 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:30,274 Wow. - [chuckles] 695 00:23:30,343 --> 00:23:31,876 - Is this a treat for us both? 696 00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:33,978 - It's for you, but I'm gonna eat most of it. 697 00:23:34,046 --> 00:23:35,413 - Two different kinds of pastries. 698 00:23:35,481 --> 00:23:36,814 You need options, yeah. - I like options. 699 00:23:36,883 --> 00:23:38,816 How you doin'? - I am doing great. 700 00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:42,086 - We have nothing new, but perhaps Angela does. 701 00:23:42,155 --> 00:23:43,254 [phone line trills] 702 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:45,589 - Angela. - Good morning! 703 00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:46,590 - Hey, good morning. 704 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:48,092 - Have you heard anything? 705 00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:53,697 - Well, now that he knows we're working together, 706 00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:55,633 maybe I reach out this morning 707 00:23:55,701 --> 00:23:57,668 just to see if perhaps I can get a response. 708 00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:01,572 - Okay, great. 709 00:24:01,641 --> 00:24:02,873 As soon as I have some info, 710 00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:04,942 I will let you know. 711 00:24:05,011 --> 00:24:06,677 All right. 712 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:08,345 Okay, so Justin-- 713 00:24:08,414 --> 00:24:10,347 "Good morning, Justin. 714 00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:14,151 "This is Nev from Catfish. 715 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:15,619 "I promise you have nothing to worry about. 716 00:24:15,688 --> 00:24:17,655 "As you know, Angela is 717 00:24:17,723 --> 00:24:21,826 "a very open-minded person. 718 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,928 "I know you said you were nervous, 719 00:24:23,996 --> 00:24:25,596 "but we would love to help you guys 720 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,498 "finally meet in real life. 721 00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:31,469 Is there any way for us to meet you?" 722 00:24:31,537 --> 00:24:33,704 - The prayer here is that he's gonna come out here. 723 00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:34,905 - We could drive up to the city. 724 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:36,373 He could drive there. 725 00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:37,608 We could meet in the middle. [phone dings] 726 00:24:37,677 --> 00:24:39,043 - Oh, my God! - Catfish, oh, my gosh. 727 00:24:39,111 --> 00:24:40,344 - He wrote back. 728 00:24:40,413 --> 00:24:42,112 "I'm definitely pretty nervous, 729 00:24:42,181 --> 00:24:43,514 "but I am willing to do this. 730 00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:45,516 Do you have a place I can meet at?" 731 00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:46,817 - Wow! 732 00:24:46,886 --> 00:24:48,452 I did not see this coming. 733 00:24:48,521 --> 00:24:53,824 - I'm gonna say, "Fantastic. I promise you won't regret it. 734 00:24:53,893 --> 00:24:56,293 "We have a nice park 735 00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:59,730 we can meet at." 736 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:01,398 - I can't believe this is actually gonna happen. 737 00:25:01,467 --> 00:25:03,400 - Well... - You still have doubts? 738 00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:04,969 - I mean, people have done this before. 739 00:25:05,037 --> 00:25:07,905 They seemed positive, and then... 740 00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:09,173 - Not shown. - Right. 741 00:25:09,242 --> 00:25:11,308 - Right, which he's done before to Angela. 742 00:25:11,377 --> 00:25:13,978 - Yeah, right, which usually suggests 743 00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:15,346 that they're hiding something. [message whoops] 744 00:25:15,414 --> 00:25:16,680 - Oh. - Wow. 745 00:25:16,749 --> 00:25:19,183 - "Okay, I'll do my best to be there in an hour." 746 00:25:19,252 --> 00:25:22,887 I'll say, "Okay, great. See you soon." 747 00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:26,824 All right, let's call Angela. 748 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:28,025 - Hi, Angela. 749 00:25:28,094 --> 00:25:29,927 - I was just texting with Justin. 750 00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:32,930 He agreed to meet up with us. 751 00:25:32,999 --> 00:25:35,165 - He said he'll come down here, 752 00:25:35,234 --> 00:25:37,001 which means we'll come to scoop you, 753 00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:38,702 and then we'll head over there. 754 00:25:38,771 --> 00:25:40,771 - Okay, see you soon. - Bye. 755 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,073 - Probably a strange mix of hoping he comes 756 00:25:43,142 --> 00:25:44,909 and he hoping he does not come. 757 00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:46,010 - That's your feeling? 758 00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:47,378 - No, for Angela. 759 00:25:47,446 --> 00:25:49,513 I think some people get so attached to the story, 760 00:25:49,582 --> 00:25:52,182 and now you have to break up with potentially the person 761 00:25:52,251 --> 00:25:53,884 and the story that you told yourself. 762 00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:55,252 That's hard to do, - Right. 763 00:25:57,123 --> 00:25:58,889 - All right... 764 00:25:59,825 --> 00:26:02,960 - Wanna do the honors? - I'd love to do the honors. 765 00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:07,097 - Whoo! - Oh, wow, you are ready! 766 00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:08,432 - Oh, my goodness! - I'm ready. 767 00:26:08,501 --> 00:26:09,867 - Look at this. - You--Angela, 768 00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:11,001 we're going to a park. - I know. 769 00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:12,169 I wanna make a good first impression. 770 00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:13,971 - This is an amazing first impression. 771 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,074 - Wow, this show's called "Catfish," not "catwalk," 772 00:26:17,143 --> 00:26:18,609 Angela. - [laughs] 773 00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:20,044 Thank you. 774 00:26:20,112 --> 00:26:22,079 - Oh, yeah! 775 00:26:22,148 --> 00:26:24,782 Whew, here we go. 776 00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:26,717 - A little nervous, but I'm still excited. 777 00:26:26,786 --> 00:26:28,285 - So Angela, it seems like 778 00:26:28,354 --> 00:26:32,957 despite all of the possible deception and ambiguity, 779 00:26:33,025 --> 00:26:36,427 you feel like we could be driving to your destiny? 780 00:26:36,495 --> 00:26:37,928 - Yeah, definitely. 781 00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:39,263 - But he could be married. 782 00:26:39,332 --> 00:26:41,632 - But there's still a chance he might not be too. 783 00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:42,933 - Of course. - And there's still a chance 784 00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:44,068 that maybe it's not even him. 785 00:26:44,136 --> 00:26:46,837 ♪ ♪ 786 00:26:46,906 --> 00:26:48,072 I dunno. 787 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:51,075 [suspenseful music] 788 00:26:51,143 --> 00:26:52,376 ♪ ♪ 789 00:26:52,445 --> 00:26:53,911 Oh, I've been here many times. 790 00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:57,281 - It seems very drop-a-dead-body-ish. 791 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:58,616 - Okay. 792 00:26:58,684 --> 00:27:00,517 Let's see. Let's let him know, maybe, 793 00:27:00,586 --> 00:27:01,752 that we're here. 794 00:27:01,821 --> 00:27:03,120 "Hey, Justin, 795 00:27:03,189 --> 00:27:06,490 we just arrived." [message whoops] 796 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:07,858 Should we go look for him? - Sure thing. 797 00:27:07,927 --> 00:27:08,859 - All right. 798 00:27:08,928 --> 00:27:15,265 ♪ ♪ 799 00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:17,368 - I'm not feeling too good about this now. 800 00:27:17,436 --> 00:27:20,204 - Well, hold on. Maybe we got here first. 801 00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:21,205 - Right. 802 00:27:21,273 --> 00:27:23,941 ♪ ♪ 803 00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:25,042 - Justin's not over here. 804 00:27:25,111 --> 00:27:28,012 Let's see--maybe by the lake. 805 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,014 - I do see somebody sitting on a bench-- 806 00:27:30,082 --> 00:27:32,082 a single person all the way out there. 807 00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:34,184 I don't know. - Whoa, yeah, do you see that? 808 00:27:34,253 --> 00:27:35,219 - Yeah. 809 00:27:35,287 --> 00:27:37,788 ♪ ♪ 810 00:27:37,857 --> 00:27:38,889 - Is that him? 811 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,026 No, I don't think so. 812 00:27:42,094 --> 00:27:44,028 Let's go back. I assume if we're gonna meet, 813 00:27:44,096 --> 00:27:45,362 it's probably gonna be 814 00:27:45,431 --> 00:27:46,363 kind of right by the parking lot, 815 00:27:46,432 --> 00:27:49,066 so maybe we got here before him. 816 00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:52,536 ♪ ♪ 817 00:27:52,605 --> 00:27:54,038 If he pulls into the parking lot, 818 00:27:54,106 --> 00:27:55,439 we can't miss him. 819 00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:58,242 All right... 820 00:28:00,813 --> 00:28:02,713 Wanna let him know? - Tell him what time? 821 00:28:02,782 --> 00:28:05,015 - Well, I just told him we were here, so... 822 00:28:05,084 --> 00:28:07,217 - I like, "Did you find your way here?" 823 00:28:07,286 --> 00:28:08,185 - Yeah, that's good. 824 00:28:08,254 --> 00:28:11,321 ♪ ♪ 825 00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:13,223 [message whoops] Was that me or you? 826 00:28:14,727 --> 00:28:16,193 - Mm... - Is that him? 827 00:28:16,262 --> 00:28:17,695 - Did he say something? 828 00:28:17,763 --> 00:28:19,530 - I think he's here. 829 00:28:19,598 --> 00:28:20,731 - Yeah, wait a second. 830 00:28:36,449 --> 00:28:37,881 - I think he's here. 831 00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:39,183 - Yeah, wait a second. 832 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,666 - Seems like it was taken right now. 833 00:28:59,538 --> 00:29:00,938 Right? - Let's go check and see 834 00:29:01,006 --> 00:29:02,039 if that-- - I know, right? 835 00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:06,009 That seems crazy that he would be here... 836 00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:07,778 - This close. 837 00:29:07,847 --> 00:29:10,781 [suspenseful music] 838 00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:12,483 ♪ ♪ 839 00:29:12,551 --> 00:29:14,084 I guess he just didn't wanna come. 840 00:29:14,153 --> 00:29:16,520 - Or he didn't wanna show his face. 841 00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:18,422 Maybe he's not who you think. 842 00:29:18,491 --> 00:29:20,958 - I just thought we had a better connection. 843 00:29:21,026 --> 00:29:22,960 - I think, at this point, it's about you. 844 00:29:23,028 --> 00:29:25,095 - Right. - And you've given a lot, 845 00:29:25,164 --> 00:29:26,330 you've invested a lot, 846 00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:27,731 you've been hurt a lot, 847 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,633 and this is something that's really important to you, 848 00:29:29,702 --> 00:29:32,269 and you'd ask him to reconsider. 849 00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:34,772 - "I'm still here if you change your mind. 850 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,907 "This is about me and what I need. 851 00:29:36,976 --> 00:29:38,442 "As someone who cared about me, 852 00:29:38,511 --> 00:29:39,810 "I know this matters to you. 853 00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:41,445 I'll be here, like, 20 more minutes." 854 00:29:41,514 --> 00:29:44,782 - All right, so let's hope that he shows up. 855 00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:45,783 - Kay. 856 00:29:45,851 --> 00:29:48,786 [dramatic music] 857 00:29:48,854 --> 00:29:49,853 ♪ ♪ 858 00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:54,191 [suspenseful music] 859 00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:56,226 I--I don't think he's gonna come. 860 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,962 - There's still cars coming in. 861 00:29:59,031 --> 00:30:00,063 - I think you come this far 862 00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:02,533 because you want to share your truth. 863 00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:05,536 He just needed the nudge. So I think he'll come back. 864 00:30:05,604 --> 00:30:07,905 - I just find it strange that he came all the way out here 865 00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:09,039 from New York and then chickened out 866 00:30:09,108 --> 00:30:11,008 at the very last second. 867 00:30:11,076 --> 00:30:14,144 - I wish he got a chance to hear how genuine you are. 868 00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:18,649 ♪ ♪ 869 00:30:18,717 --> 00:30:21,218 - This car is sort of sitting there. 870 00:30:22,888 --> 00:30:24,521 Check it out 871 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:27,157 before he pulls away, you know? 872 00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:34,164 ♪ ♪ 873 00:30:34,233 --> 00:30:35,232 Hey. 874 00:30:36,135 --> 00:30:37,367 - What's up? 875 00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:39,536 Are you Justin? 876 00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:42,506 - Thanks for coming back. 877 00:30:42,575 --> 00:30:43,607 A little nervous? 878 00:30:44,777 --> 00:30:47,778 All right. - So he came back. 879 00:30:47,847 --> 00:30:50,113 I'm interested to know if that's the guy in the pictures. 880 00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:52,416 - I'm interested in a lot. - Yeah... 881 00:30:52,484 --> 00:30:54,685 - Angela's eager to meet you. 882 00:30:54,753 --> 00:30:57,221 She's obviously curious 883 00:30:57,289 --> 00:31:00,724 and I think, now, a bit concerned. 884 00:31:00,793 --> 00:31:03,327 - I guess it may be that the difference 885 00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:07,030 is the strong independentness of her and, you know, 886 00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:09,466 with her TikTok and her online persona-- 887 00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:11,835 online is a lot more, you know, different, 888 00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:13,537 and most of my stuff is just-- - Right. 889 00:31:13,606 --> 00:31:15,405 - It doesn't feature myself. - Sure, I mean, 890 00:31:15,474 --> 00:31:18,709 don't get me wrong-- Angela's also struggled, 891 00:31:18,777 --> 00:31:21,411 I think, with insecurity and self-doubt. 892 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,881 So I think you guys actually have a lot more in common 893 00:31:23,949 --> 00:31:25,182 than you realize. 894 00:31:25,251 --> 00:31:26,283 - How's your heart? 895 00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:28,719 [chuckles] 896 00:31:28,787 --> 00:31:31,221 - It's fluttering. 897 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:34,958 I got butterflies. Heartbeat's out there. 898 00:31:35,027 --> 00:31:36,927 - I just feel so out of place, 899 00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:41,732 and it's nerve-racking. It's crippling. 900 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,434 My anxiety is just... 901 00:31:44,503 --> 00:31:46,270 - Sure. I mean, I can't obviously 902 00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:47,638 change the way you feel, but I think you should 903 00:31:47,706 --> 00:31:50,807 come over there with me and just see how it feels, 904 00:31:50,876 --> 00:31:52,276 and if you leave now, 905 00:31:52,344 --> 00:31:53,510 you'll always regret it. 906 00:31:53,579 --> 00:31:54,645 You'll always feel bad about it, 907 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:55,946 and you'll carry it forever. 908 00:31:56,015 --> 00:31:57,781 So the only way out 909 00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:59,082 is in. 910 00:31:59,151 --> 00:32:02,953 - It's really embarrassing, but I can't do it. 911 00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:04,655 - Well, at the very least, Nev will come back 912 00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:06,924 with some answers for you. - Mm-hmm. 913 00:32:06,992 --> 00:32:10,460 I just can't imagine, like, it being this long 914 00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:12,162 to make a decision. - Yeah. 915 00:32:12,231 --> 00:32:13,530 - I mean, what could he be talking about 916 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,666 that he can't tell me? 917 00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,334 - Let's just start small. 918 00:32:17,403 --> 00:32:18,802 Let me just open the door. 919 00:32:18,871 --> 00:32:20,470 You don't have to get out. - I don't wanna open the door. 920 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:22,005 I'm pretty much a coward. 921 00:32:22,074 --> 00:32:25,976 I--I think I'm better off running off. 922 00:32:26,045 --> 00:32:28,078 - For better or for worse, 923 00:32:28,147 --> 00:32:29,913 you and only you 924 00:32:29,982 --> 00:32:31,648 got yourself this far. 925 00:32:31,717 --> 00:32:34,451 Clearly, it was something you wanted to do. 926 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,620 You just gotta make that little leap, 927 00:32:36,689 --> 00:32:38,288 which is, honestly, just open the door 928 00:32:38,357 --> 00:32:40,157 and take one step and it'll be all--and that's it. 929 00:32:40,225 --> 00:32:42,859 ♪ ♪ 930 00:32:42,928 --> 00:32:44,461 Just take a second. Think about it. 931 00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,163 - Okay. 932 00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:47,631 - The car hasn't pulled away. 933 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:49,466 Window's up. - Window's up. 934 00:32:49,535 --> 00:32:52,536 ♪ ♪ 935 00:32:52,604 --> 00:32:54,004 - Oh, he's coming to us. 936 00:32:54,073 --> 00:32:57,040 [dramatic music] 937 00:32:57,109 --> 00:33:00,777 - This is possibly the most anxious, 938 00:33:00,846 --> 00:33:02,846 socially uncomfortable person 939 00:33:02,915 --> 00:33:04,748 I've ever encountered on the show. 940 00:33:04,817 --> 00:33:07,484 - That says a lot. - Yeah, yeah. 941 00:33:07,553 --> 00:33:09,119 He's got cold feet, weak in the knees. 942 00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:11,321 He's just not giving himself a chance 943 00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:13,156 and just assuming the worst. 944 00:33:13,225 --> 00:33:16,326 - Well, is he the pictures? 945 00:33:16,395 --> 00:33:17,461 - I couldn't really see him. 946 00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:21,965 - No way. - Yeah, here he comes. 947 00:33:24,937 --> 00:33:25,936 - He's got cold feet, weak in the knees. 948 00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:27,771 He's just not giving himself a chance 949 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,606 and just assuming the worst. 950 00:33:29,675 --> 00:33:32,676 - Well, is he the pictures? 951 00:33:32,745 --> 00:33:33,977 - I couldn't really see him. 952 00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:38,382 - No way. - Yeah, here he comes. 953 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,385 [dramatic music] 954 00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:42,486 - It's him. 955 00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:47,290 - [giggles] - All right, hey, man. 956 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:48,558 - Hey. - Hello. 957 00:33:48,627 --> 00:33:50,293 - Hi, Justin. - Glad you decided to join us. 958 00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:53,497 I wanna just introduce myself formally. 959 00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,632 Pleasure--Nev. Just Justin? 960 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:56,600 - Yes. - Gary's just, like, 961 00:33:56,668 --> 00:33:58,502 your fanfiction name? 962 00:33:58,570 --> 00:34:00,137 Just clearing that up. - [chuckles] 963 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:01,738 - Justin, Shan. - Hi. 964 00:34:01,807 --> 00:34:03,140 - Hello. - Of course, Angela, you know. 965 00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:05,542 - Hello. - Hi. 966 00:34:05,611 --> 00:34:07,844 Hi, nice to meet you. - Can I give you a hug? 967 00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:10,047 - Sure. - Nice to meet you. 968 00:34:10,115 --> 00:34:12,516 - Uh, 969 00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:15,886 as Nev has probably already explained, 970 00:34:15,954 --> 00:34:17,854 I'm cripply nervous about everything. 971 00:34:17,923 --> 00:34:19,656 Uh, uh... 972 00:34:19,725 --> 00:34:20,924 - I appreciate you telling me that though. 973 00:34:20,993 --> 00:34:23,393 - Right, and I did think it would only be proper 974 00:34:23,462 --> 00:34:25,495 to at least come out and actually greet you 975 00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:28,231 and everything. Um, I haven't really, 976 00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,435 I mean, not sure everything that's been discovered, 977 00:34:31,503 --> 00:34:35,105 but, um, going through ending a previous relationship 978 00:34:35,174 --> 00:34:37,574 has, you know, 979 00:34:37,643 --> 00:34:39,576 put me in a certain spot, 980 00:34:39,645 --> 00:34:40,977 where I just-- 981 00:34:41,046 --> 00:34:44,514 figuring out my next step in life. 982 00:34:44,583 --> 00:34:46,216 - Justin, can just I ask you a couple of questions 983 00:34:46,285 --> 00:34:48,051 just to clear some things up? - Sure. 984 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,353 - You said your "previous relationship." 985 00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:52,389 Are you talking about your marriage? 986 00:34:52,458 --> 00:34:53,757 You were married, right? 987 00:34:53,826 --> 00:34:56,059 - Yeah. - Okay, and that's over now? 988 00:34:56,128 --> 00:34:58,061 You're fully broken up? - Yeah. 989 00:34:58,130 --> 00:35:00,130 - Similar to you, Angela just came out 990 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,499 of a very long-term relationship 991 00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:04,968 that was heartbreaking. You're really the first person 992 00:35:05,037 --> 00:35:06,236 that she's engaged with 993 00:35:06,305 --> 00:35:08,105 since this big devastation in her life, 994 00:35:08,173 --> 00:35:09,906 and I think--would be curious 995 00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:13,076 to know, from what your perspective is, how you felt. 996 00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:15,212 - You know, I try not to expect too much out of people 997 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,380 to avoid being hurt. 998 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:19,816 Um, so I'm kind of 999 00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:21,351 in just this middle ground 1000 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:25,455 of just--I find someone to talk to, we talk, 1001 00:35:25,524 --> 00:35:27,390 and 1002 00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:34,030 it just be something where I'm just not looking for anything 1003 00:35:34,099 --> 00:35:37,300 or expecting anything. 1004 00:35:37,369 --> 00:35:39,936 - From what Angela remembers, initially, after you had 1005 00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:41,972 commented on her-- one of her TikToks, 1006 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,907 you had said, "Oh, we should meet up." 1007 00:35:43,976 --> 00:35:45,775 At that moment, when you asked her, 1008 00:35:45,844 --> 00:35:46,910 like, 1009 00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:48,745 were you serious about meeting up, or... 1010 00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,580 - Yeah, I was. - You were? 1011 00:35:50,649 --> 00:35:53,683 - But I mean, 1012 00:35:53,752 --> 00:35:55,652 you don't really expect anything. 1013 00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:57,154 You kind of just--it doesn't really mean anything. 1014 00:35:57,222 --> 00:35:58,788 - So you didn't necessarily think it would happen? 1015 00:35:58,857 --> 00:36:01,925 - Right. I didn't, um-- 1016 00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:03,960 it's nothing new. I've always been like this, 1017 00:36:04,029 --> 00:36:07,130 even with my close friends. I don't always go through 1018 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:08,431 with, uh, decisions. - Right. 1019 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:09,766 - Not that I lied about anything, 1020 00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:12,836 but I also, um... 1021 00:36:12,905 --> 00:36:14,137 - You sugarcoated it. 1022 00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:17,841 Like, you keep me coming back for conversation. 1023 00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:20,277 - Yeah, I tried my best-- - I told them I was satisfied 1024 00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:21,845 with the conversations also. 1025 00:36:21,914 --> 00:36:24,447 It was relieving to get the good mornings, 1026 00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:25,949 the good evenings, "How are you doing?" 1027 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:28,585 That's why I was so comfortable about the whole situation. 1028 00:36:28,654 --> 00:36:31,688 - And that's just genuinely, you know, 1029 00:36:31,757 --> 00:36:33,623 that is genuinely me, 1030 00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:37,160 but, uh, right now, I just don't know what I think. 1031 00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:39,129 I don't have any, um-- 1032 00:36:39,198 --> 00:36:44,134 I don't have any concrete idea of... 1033 00:36:44,203 --> 00:36:47,304 ♪ ♪ 1034 00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:49,639 Where I'm going. 1035 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,342 ♪ ♪ 1036 00:36:52,411 --> 00:36:53,910 - But I do think there's a big difference. 1037 00:36:53,979 --> 00:36:55,478 When we're trying to not to hurt people, 1038 00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:58,682 we create loose boundaries for who we might be, 1039 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,250 rather than setting clear boundaries 1040 00:37:00,319 --> 00:37:01,851 for who we know we are today. 1041 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,654 So I think it could be really impactful and powerful for you 1042 00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:07,891 to just set a clear boundary of, "Maybe I have to stop down, 1043 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,226 "heal for myself. 1044 00:37:09,294 --> 00:37:10,660 "I'm not looking to date right now, 1045 00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:12,696 but I am happy to have met you." 1046 00:37:12,764 --> 00:37:14,331 - Yeah, um, 1047 00:37:14,399 --> 00:37:18,935 I definitely value our chatting and our friendship. 1048 00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:22,939 I don't see anything for the time being. 1049 00:37:23,008 --> 00:37:26,042 ♪ ♪ 1050 00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:29,379 That would be the most sincere I could be about it. 1051 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:31,248 - I get that. I understand. 1052 00:37:31,316 --> 00:37:33,283 - How about you? What are you feeling, 1053 00:37:33,352 --> 00:37:34,384 now that you guys have finally-- 1054 00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:36,019 - I can't see me be, you know, 1055 00:37:36,088 --> 00:37:36,987 not being friends with him. 1056 00:37:37,055 --> 00:37:38,388 I can't see me saying, 1057 00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:40,290 "I don't wanna speak to you ever again" right now. 1058 00:37:40,359 --> 00:37:42,125 I'm still open to being friends, 1059 00:37:42,194 --> 00:37:45,128 and I totally thank you for coming 1060 00:37:45,197 --> 00:37:47,097 and putting yourself out there. 1061 00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:50,400 Like I said, I learned a lot, and I do appreciate you coming 1062 00:37:50,469 --> 00:37:52,569 and explaining this to me in person. 1063 00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:54,104 I'm happy we met. - Me too. 1064 00:37:54,172 --> 00:37:55,739 - Okay. 1065 00:37:55,807 --> 00:37:57,774 - ♪ I found a reason ♪ 1066 00:37:57,843 --> 00:38:01,544 - Okay, so then, I think we're gonna head back. 1067 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:04,214 Um, so we can move on 1068 00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:06,750 from all of this. 1069 00:38:06,818 --> 00:38:08,652 Sorry if I was a little pushy, 1070 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,288 but I really felt like it was the right thing. 1071 00:38:11,356 --> 00:38:14,758 I'm glad you chose the way you did. 1072 00:38:14,826 --> 00:38:16,660 - Right. - Yeah. 1073 00:38:16,728 --> 00:38:19,129 Y'all got to kind of get through this together. 1074 00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:22,265 So--pleasure to meet you. - Pleasure to meet you as well. 1075 00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:25,902 - And I'm just happy that you guys are gonna stay in touch. 1076 00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:27,804 - Yes. - This was my first time 1077 00:38:27,873 --> 00:38:29,439 on the case. It was an honor. 1078 00:38:29,508 --> 00:38:30,974 I can't believe you're actually the real person. 1079 00:38:31,043 --> 00:38:33,443 - [chuckles] - So this is very, 1080 00:38:33,512 --> 00:38:34,678 very fascinating. 1081 00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:35,945 Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you as well. 1082 00:38:36,014 --> 00:38:37,580 - It was a pleasure. - Thanks again. 1083 00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:38,815 - No problem. 1084 00:38:38,884 --> 00:38:40,917 - ♪ In the end ♪ 1085 00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:42,285 - Drive safe. - Thank you. 1086 00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:44,120 - Take care. - See you. 1087 00:38:44,189 --> 00:38:47,157 - ♪ That's where I am ♪ 1088 00:38:47,225 --> 00:38:48,258 - So what do you think? 1089 00:38:51,596 --> 00:38:53,763 - Yeah, stay in touch-- I don't think pursuing 1090 00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:55,298 any kind of relationship-- - No. 1091 00:38:55,367 --> 00:38:57,801 - But, you know, hey, who knows? 1092 00:38:57,869 --> 00:39:00,470 - Well, this was an adventure. 1093 00:39:00,539 --> 00:39:02,839 - You guys taught me a lot about myself and, um, 1094 00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:04,874 what I need to do to move forward. 1095 00:39:04,943 --> 00:39:08,278 - ♪ It all works out in the end ♪ 1096 00:39:08,347 --> 00:39:10,113 - Thank you, guys, for showing me the finest 1097 00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:12,248 that New Jersey has to offer-- 1098 00:39:12,317 --> 00:39:14,150 Angela included. 1099 00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:15,118 - Thank you. 1100 00:39:15,187 --> 00:39:20,290 ♪ ♪ 1101 00:39:20,359 --> 00:39:22,826 [doorbell rings] - Angela, hey! 1102 00:39:22,894 --> 00:39:24,194 - What's up? How are you doing? 1103 00:39:24,262 --> 00:39:25,195 - Good. What's going on? 1104 00:39:25,263 --> 00:39:26,663 Give me an update. 1105 00:39:26,732 --> 00:39:29,199 - I tried to, like, stay back and forth with Justin, 1106 00:39:29,267 --> 00:39:31,101 but we never really got to talk too much. 1107 00:39:31,169 --> 00:39:33,870 - Well, are you happy that you got a chance to meet him 1108 00:39:33,939 --> 00:39:35,505 and kind of figure it all out? 1109 00:39:35,574 --> 00:39:38,641 - Um, yes. It gave me a taste of reality. 1110 00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:40,410 I think he's still a nice person. 1111 00:39:40,479 --> 00:39:42,011 It's just--I wish he would've been more honest. 1112 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,047 - Yeah. - It wouldn't have led to me 1113 00:39:44,116 --> 00:39:47,317 being so disappointed, but love is gonna find its way to me. 1114 00:39:47,386 --> 00:39:48,718 I know that. - I'm sure it will. 1115 00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:50,720 It was really lovely 1116 00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:52,288 getting to meet you and spend time with you. 1117 00:39:52,357 --> 00:39:53,890 - Really nice talking to you and seeing you. 1118 00:39:53,959 --> 00:39:56,025 - Yeah, we'll talk soon. - All right, bye. 1119 00:39:56,094 --> 00:39:57,394 [camera chimes] 1120 00:39:57,462 --> 00:39:59,362 [doorbell rings] - Hey, Justin. 1121 00:39:59,431 --> 00:40:00,897 What's up, man? - Hey. 1122 00:40:00,966 --> 00:40:02,966 - How are you feeling? What about Angela? 1123 00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:05,368 Is that a friendship, 1124 00:40:05,437 --> 00:40:07,937 relationship that you're still keeping in your life? 1125 00:40:08,006 --> 00:40:09,839 - I mean, we've talked for a bit afterwards 1126 00:40:09,908 --> 00:40:11,608 and everything, and, uh, 1127 00:40:11,676 --> 00:40:13,610 but I don't think it was too receptive. 1128 00:40:13,678 --> 00:40:15,678 Some things need something to continue forward, 1129 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,280 and if it doesn't have that, it-- 1130 00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:19,582 more--like, more of an effort... 1131 00:40:19,651 --> 00:40:22,619 - Um, I think a lot of people will probably relate 1132 00:40:22,687 --> 00:40:25,722 to your anxiety. - Mm-hmm. 1133 00:40:25,791 --> 00:40:27,257 - From this experience. I know that wasn't easy. 1134 00:40:27,325 --> 00:40:30,460 But I hope that it's more positive than negative. 1135 00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:32,595 Uh, I appreciate meeting you. 1136 00:40:32,664 --> 00:40:33,830 I think you did the right thing. 1137 00:40:33,899 --> 00:40:35,231 - Yeah, I agree. 1138 00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:36,533 - All right, man, well, good luck with everything 1139 00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:38,368 and, uh, hopefully, everything will work out. 1140 00:40:38,437 --> 00:40:39,602 - Hopefully so. Thank you. 1141 00:40:39,671 --> 00:40:41,237 I appreciate y'all. - All right, later, man. 1142 00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:54,284 - I'm back... - Is she real? 1143 00:40:54,352 --> 00:40:55,819 We are glad to have you back, 1144 00:40:55,887 --> 00:40:57,887 because Sham has been talking to Phillip, 1145 00:40:57,956 --> 00:40:59,522 but she's not seeing the red flags. 1146 00:40:59,591 --> 00:41:01,024 - I'm already picturing our wedding. 1147 00:41:01,092 --> 00:41:03,359 I need to [bleep] know, like, what is this? 1148 00:41:03,428 --> 00:41:04,761 - This is it. - Whoa. 1149 00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:05,995 This is a one-of-a-kind home. 1150 00:41:06,064 --> 00:41:07,697 [doorbell rings] 1151 00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:08,765 - [gasps] Somebody's coming. 1152 00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:09,799 Somebody's coming. 1153 00:41:09,868 --> 00:41:10,900 - Hello?