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Angela was in a relationship,
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but that ended,
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gets into TikTok,
and right away,
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she gets a message
from a guy named Justin.
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- He always would say,
"You're a good mother,"
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"You're smart,"
"You're pretty."
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- You don't even know
how old he is?
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What's that?
- That is a wedding ring.
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- He's married!
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- I'm not feeling
too good about this now.
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- Hey, are you Justin?
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[dramatic musical sting]
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Kamie's not here this episode,
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but the good news is we have
an amazing replacement.
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We've got intimacy expert,
who also happens to be
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a super rad chick.
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She's ready to crack
this case with us,
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and her name is Shan Boodram.
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- Wassup!
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- Shan is truly
one of a kind--
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a renowned sexologist,
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her YouTube channel
has over 70 million views.
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- You were just open,
saying yes to pleasure--
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- Yes.
- But pleasure in all forms.
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- So with Kamie
gone this week,
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what better person to try
to help us find love online
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than Shan Boodram?
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- I'm also Kamie's friend.
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- Oh, and friend of Kamie?
- Yes, I'm a friend of Kamie.
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- Oh, so you're
a perfect surrogate?
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- I'm a perfect surrogate.
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- So what is sexology
and intimacy work?
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- So I always say
sexologist is to sex--
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- Right.
- What a nutritionist
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is to food.
So a chef cooks the food--
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- Yes.
- And prepares for you.
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So that would be a sex worker.
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So a sexologist studies sex
and studies the psychology
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and the biology
and the sociology of sex,
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and it maybe
provides insight to chefs
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to be able to cook better food.
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I actually hope
that it's a kinky case--
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kinky case, kinky case.
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- [chuckles]
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Well, let's see.
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All right, we got an email.
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"Hey, Nev and"...
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- Surrogate Kamie.
- Yes, exactly.
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- ♪ If I fall down,
then I get back up ♪
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- "I'm 41
and a working actress.
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"I live in Howell, New Jersey
with my three gorgeous kids.
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"2 years ago,
when I was turning 40,
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"I wanted to change
my whole life,
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so I decided to embrace
my fabulousness."
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- As you should.
- "I ended
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"a 20-year relationship,
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and found myself
confused by dating."
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- ♪ I'm not breaking ♪
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♪ He'll know I don't quit ♪
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- "I can barely tell
a Tinder from a tweet."
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- [laughs]
- "I started focusing
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on what I was
passionate about"--
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- Mm-hmm.
- "Kids, entertaining,
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"and my social media.
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"This past July,
I posted on TikTok
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"about going to NYC
to do some background work
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"and Justin,
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"a total stranger, commented.
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He asked if he could meet up
with me while I was there."
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- ♪ Move it, each step
is showing I can ♪
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♪ Do it, I'm working ♪
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- "I thought he was nuts,
because who does that?
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"But then I decided,
'What the hell?'
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"And said yes.
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"Unfortunately, we didn't
make that meetup happen.
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"But from then on,
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"Justin was in my DMs
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"and messaging me daily.
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"He's intelligent, warm,
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"and not used to a man
being so kind and attentive.
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"I thought
we'd meet pretty quickly,
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"but now it's more
than two months,
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and we haven't
had a single date."
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- Justin...
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- "When I try to meet him,
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"there's always an excuse.
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"I was delusional for
the 20 years I was with my ex,
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"and I don't wanna make
the same mistake twice.
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"It's taken a lot for me
to put myself out there again,
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"and the idea that he might be
lying to me is devastating.
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"But if he's not trustworthy,
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then it's time for us
to part ways."
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- ♪ No time for losing ♪
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- Can I just say--
what a pro move,
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if this is a catfish,
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to make
the first bit of contact,
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"I wanna meet you,"
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because that takes
the doubt away.
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- Oh, it really sort of
locks in the, like,
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"Oh, yeah, we should meet up."
- Yeah, like,
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"I'm a real person."
- He's very bold.
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- It's a very bold thing.
- Right.
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- Yeah.
- Shall we call Angela?
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- I'm very excited.
- Find out more?
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Okay.
[phone line trilling]
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- Hello, is this Angela?
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- Hello, Angela, this is Nev
from "Catfish."
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- I got your email,
and before we get into it--
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Kamie is not on this episode,
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but I have someone
so fantastic,
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who is helping me, named Shan.
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- Hello, Angela.
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- And now you're single,
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welcome to the wild,
[bleep] up world
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of internet dating.
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- It's a lot.
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- So you just recently started
your TikTok account,
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started posting videos,
and all of a sudden,
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this guy just hits you up?
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- Was he super fine in his
little-ass circle picture,
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and you're like,
"I'ma tap it"?
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- Huh.
Well, we are going
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to come to New Jersey,
and we are gonna help you.
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- All right,
we'll see you tomorrow, Angela.
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- Bye, Angela.
- Bye.
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- Wow.
- He's not getting a lot.
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- No, but she's been
getting so little, I think,
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for so long.
- That is true.
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- I mean, after 20 years
in a relationship,
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I'm sure you know,
if it's not going well--
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like, she hasn't had love
and affection in her life
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in so many years--
- Yeah.
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- Just to have some other
person reach out to her
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and shower her
with affection or attention,
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like,
probably means a lot to her.
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- I feel heavy but hopeful.
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- Great.
- Let's do it.
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Okay, the journey begins.
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- We're on our way
to New Jersey.
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- I don't know
what I'm signing up for.
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Hello to the unknown.
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- ♪ The world is ours ♪
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♪ The world is ours ♪
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- We made it.
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- When was the last time
you were in New Jersey?
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- I wanna say maybe never.
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- Well, you will never
forget New Jersey after this.
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- Yeah, I'm extremely
curious about this story.
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- Something's going on,
and we need to figure it out.
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There it is.
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- Oh, wow.
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[doorbell rings]
- Oh.
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Hey!
- Hi!
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- Wow.
- Hello.
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- Are you Angela?
- I am.
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- Angela, I'm gonna shove you
right now.
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- [chuckles]
- You're so hot.
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- Yeah, right?
- Let me get in here.
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- [laughs]
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- Wow, this place is gorgeous.
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- Thank you.
Make yourself at home.
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- Oh, thank you.
- Thanks for flying down.
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- Sure.
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So aside from the full-time job
of mothering,
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you're an actress?
- Yes.
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I just started that same time
I started my TikToks.
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That's why I kind of started.
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- Huh.
- So this was post-divorce.
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WE were completely separated
for at least two years,
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but we weren't really--
it was, like, hot and cold
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before that.
- Right.
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- Just staying together
for the kids.
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- So when you broke up,
is that when you were like,
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"I'm going to do all the things
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"that I couldn't do,
'cause I felt stifled
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in the relationship"?
- Yeah, and I think I had
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a low self-esteem,
so I was trying to build
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my confidence and self-esteem
back up.
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- So have you been
going on dates?
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- No.
- No?
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- Haven't at all.
- So Justin's really, like,
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the first guy you've talked to?
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- He was the first one that
I felt like I connected with.
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- So tell us about your
connection with Justin.
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- I started making, um,
Instagram videos and TikToks,
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and then he would like
the content I was posting.
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- What was the video?
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- One of those
silhouette videos
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where you don't
have clothes on.
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- Oh.
- Yeah...
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- Wow.
Do you remember
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what the comment was?
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- A puppy dog thing,
and he's like,
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"I have to see
another one of these,"
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or something.
- Oh, okay.
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- But it made me, like, giggle.
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- Sure.
- It made me smile.
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Again, I'm going into this
with low self-confidence,
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and he just boosted
my self-esteem.
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He made me feel desired
and liked and stuff.
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So then I'm like, "All right."
I hearted it,
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and I put,
"I'll see what I can do
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about making another video."
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- Okay, so then...
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- He started following me--
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- Right.
- And then I followed him back,
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'cause that was
how he was able to get
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into the inbox.
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- Right.
- Yes.
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- Then once
he gets into the inbox,
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then it was kind of,
like, a daily thing--
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a "Good morning,"
"How are you doing?"
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"What do you do?"
Then it was consistent.
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- "What do you do?"
- Right.
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- That, would then, I assume,
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prompt a conversation
about what he does.
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Do you know what he does?
- Mm-mm.
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I never got full answers,
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because then it would turn
into another conversation.
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- 'Cause he's asking
lots of questions?
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- Correct.
He's spitting out stuff--
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I'm answering.
- Right.
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- And then I answer something,
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but then it gets
lost in the jumble.
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- That's okay.
So you're DMing on TikTok
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and Instagram?
- No.
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That what I was
just gonna get into.
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So then I develop
this Instagram page,
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and I'm putting up videos.
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All of a sudden,
I see this anime guy
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keep liking my videos.
and his name is garynatsu,
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and he gets in the inbox--
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"Just to let you know,
this is Justin from TikTok."
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- Huh.
- So I'm like, "Okay."
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- Was it--okay.
Had he specified
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what his name is?
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- He never actually told me
whether it was Justin or Gary.
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- You never said,
"Oh, it's kind of strange
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you have two names
on these different platforms"?
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- He said he was into, like,
anime and stuff like that.
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- So that's just his,
like, gamey profile.
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- It confused me.
I am older.
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So whatever--I knew
it was the same person,
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so I felt comfortable enough
to keep talking,
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but as far as the name,
the job, even the age--
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- You don't even know
how old he is?
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- I'm assuming
he was around my age
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because of the content
of his language.
249
00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:35,013
- So you think
his name is Justin what?
250
00:08:35,082 --> 00:08:36,414
- I don't know his last name.
- Oh.
251
00:08:36,483 --> 00:08:37,816
- Have you ever asked him
his name?
252
00:08:37,885 --> 00:08:38,884
- Um, not really,
253
00:08:38,952 --> 00:08:41,152
because I kind of--
when I'm saying,
254
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"My name is this,"
I'm waiting for you
255
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to respond with yours.
When I say, "I'm 41,"
256
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I'm waiting for you
to respond back.
257
00:08:46,460 --> 00:08:48,326
- But there's something
about him that you're like,
258
00:08:48,395 --> 00:08:50,195
"I wanna chase"--
- I don't chase, but yes,
259
00:08:50,264 --> 00:08:52,197
there's something
about certain ways
260
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and things that were said.
261
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Like, in the morning, um, so--
262
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"Are you feeling better
from the night before?"
263
00:08:56,937 --> 00:08:58,803
Like, little things--
like, "Oh, did you get to do
264
00:08:58,872 --> 00:09:00,138
what you wanted last week?"
265
00:09:00,207 --> 00:09:01,673
Or "What are you
gonna have for lunch?"
266
00:09:01,742 --> 00:09:03,375
Just little things like that.
267
00:09:03,443 --> 00:09:05,510
It's not something
that everybody asks.
268
00:09:05,579 --> 00:09:07,412
- So it's just less
about the banter
269
00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,047
and more about the care--
270
00:09:09,116 --> 00:09:10,382
he cares.
- Right.
271
00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:12,250
- And do you have
his phone number?
272
00:09:12,319 --> 00:09:14,286
- I have it, yes.
- So you did text?
273
00:09:14,354 --> 00:09:15,387
- We did once.
- Once?
274
00:09:15,455 --> 00:09:17,255
- Yeah, once,
and the next morning,
275
00:09:17,324 --> 00:09:18,256
we went back to the apps.
276
00:09:18,325 --> 00:09:22,460
- Unless you're hiding
277
00:09:22,529 --> 00:09:24,596
you're relationship...
- Right, right, right.
278
00:09:24,665 --> 00:09:26,364
- In which case,
you don't want text messages
279
00:09:26,433 --> 00:09:28,033
coming up on your phone.
- Yes.
280
00:09:28,101 --> 00:09:31,036
- Why wouldn't he--
- Yeah, that is strange.
281
00:09:31,104 --> 00:09:33,238
How do you know
he feels intimately about you?
282
00:09:33,307 --> 00:09:34,873
- He always would say,
"You're very kind,"
283
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"You're a good mother,"
284
00:09:35,943 --> 00:09:37,142
"You're smart,"
"You're pretty."
285
00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:39,144
- But has he ever said,
"I really like you"?
286
00:09:39,212 --> 00:09:40,545
- Yes.
- Okay.
287
00:09:40,614 --> 00:09:42,080
- Definitely said that.
- But have you made any plans
288
00:09:42,149 --> 00:09:43,448
to meet up?
- We did--we were supposed to
289
00:09:43,517 --> 00:09:45,817
meet on 42nd Street
when I was out there one day,
290
00:09:45,886 --> 00:09:47,018
and I told him I'm waiting.
291
00:09:47,087 --> 00:09:48,587
I waited about 45 minutes,
292
00:09:48,655 --> 00:09:50,455
then I actually wanted
to catch the sunset.
293
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So I says, "I'm
heading over to Brooklyn
294
00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:54,059
so I could see
the sunset over the bridge."
295
00:09:54,127 --> 00:09:55,927
Then I'm getting a text,
"Oh, I was there.
296
00:09:55,996 --> 00:09:57,562
Where were you?"
- Oh, and then he gets
297
00:09:57,631 --> 00:09:58,730
to 42nd Street--
- Yes.
298
00:09:58,799 --> 00:09:59,798
- He's like, "Oh,
I'm here, where are you?"
299
00:09:59,866 --> 00:10:01,299
- Correct.
300
00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:05,470
- Can we take a sort of scroll
through some of your messages
301
00:10:05,539 --> 00:10:08,673
and just get a sense
of your relationship?
302
00:10:08,742 --> 00:10:10,241
- All right, I have a lot.
- So these are your messages?
303
00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:12,277
- Those are our messages
from Instagram.
304
00:10:12,346 --> 00:10:14,412
- He said, "Good morning.
Have a great day filming"--
305
00:10:14,481 --> 00:10:16,548
just positive affirmations,
306
00:10:16,617 --> 00:10:17,983
being very supportive.
307
00:10:18,051 --> 00:10:19,751
- Yes.
- It's amazing
308
00:10:19,820 --> 00:10:21,820
how many messages
you guys have here.
309
00:10:21,888 --> 00:10:23,588
Oh, it's a lot, geez.
310
00:10:23,657 --> 00:10:24,956
- We talk daily.
311
00:10:25,025 --> 00:10:26,491
- I will say here, Angela,
312
00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,727
I haven't seen you ask him
one question yet.
313
00:10:28,795 --> 00:10:31,930
So you might respond back
to what he says,
314
00:10:31,999 --> 00:10:34,099
like, "That's crazy,"
but not like,
315
00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:35,800
"Wow, how did
you feel about that?"
316
00:10:35,869 --> 00:10:37,002
- Mm-hmm.
- Or I haven't seen you
317
00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:39,004
directly ask him,
like, "Where do you live?"
318
00:10:39,072 --> 00:10:42,240
"What do you do?"
"What are you into?"
319
00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:43,942
- Wait, is this him?
- Yes, that's one of him.
320
00:10:44,011 --> 00:10:45,310
- Wow,
321
00:10:45,379 --> 00:10:47,278
and he sent you these
on TikTok?
322
00:10:47,347 --> 00:10:48,713
- Yeah.
- Okay, that's not
323
00:10:48,782 --> 00:10:50,181
a vague photo at all.
324
00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:52,117
It's pretty clear.
- Okay, so wait a second.
325
00:10:52,185 --> 00:10:53,785
So these are
pretty specific photos.
326
00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:55,654
- It's the same guy.
It's the same nose--yeah.
327
00:10:55,722 --> 00:10:57,222
- Huh.
Yeah, I mean,
328
00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:58,857
some of the things
about this guy
329
00:10:58,925 --> 00:11:00,592
seem very suspicious,
330
00:11:00,661 --> 00:11:02,861
and then, some things
seem very legit.
331
00:11:02,929 --> 00:11:04,129
- Loveable, right.
That's what I'm saying.
332
00:11:04,197 --> 00:11:06,531
I get--I'm very confused
about the whole situation.
333
00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,933
- All right, so look, we are
going to figure this out.
334
00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:10,301
- Thank you.
335
00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:11,670
- We'll check back
in with you tomorrow
336
00:11:11,738 --> 00:11:13,038
an go from there.
337
00:11:13,106 --> 00:11:14,539
- Thanks for joining me.
338
00:11:14,608 --> 00:11:15,640
- [grunts]
339
00:11:15,709 --> 00:11:17,809
Good to meet you.
340
00:11:17,878 --> 00:11:19,277
- Nice to meet you, Angela.
341
00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:20,679
- Can't wait to see you guys.
342
00:11:20,747 --> 00:11:22,681
Find out everything.
343
00:11:22,749 --> 00:11:24,749
[dramatic music]
344
00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:26,551
- Not what I expected.
345
00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:28,887
She's not what I expected.
- No, not at all.
346
00:11:28,955 --> 00:11:30,922
- And this guy, you know,
like, their relationship,
347
00:11:30,991 --> 00:11:32,323
I get it.
- Yes.
348
00:11:32,392 --> 00:11:35,894
- You know, I don't know
if I get it as much for him.
349
00:11:35,962 --> 00:11:37,595
- She's an attractive woman,
350
00:11:37,664 --> 00:11:40,031
and he obviously
slid in her DMs
351
00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:42,000
or commented on,
like, a sexy video.
352
00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:43,535
- Sure, sure.
- So it feels like he would be
353
00:11:43,603 --> 00:11:46,104
incentivized to try to have
a physical relationship.
354
00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:47,739
But because
he's not trying to pursue
355
00:11:47,808 --> 00:11:49,007
this in-person relationship,
356
00:11:49,076 --> 00:11:51,076
but he's still trying
to maintain contact--
357
00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:52,911
that's the strange thing.
358
00:11:52,979 --> 00:11:55,413
I get why she likes Justin.
359
00:11:55,482 --> 00:11:58,049
I don't get him.
360
00:11:58,118 --> 00:11:59,250
- That's what's crazy.
361
00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:01,753
What's this guy want
from Angela?
362
00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:05,123
- All right.
- This place looks cozy--
363
00:12:05,192 --> 00:12:06,725
like a magical coffee shop.
364
00:12:06,793 --> 00:12:08,827
- What, a crystal ball?
365
00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:10,228
This is crazy.
- Whoa!
366
00:12:10,297 --> 00:12:12,130
- I've never seen
a crystal ball in my life.
367
00:12:12,199 --> 00:12:14,432
Oh, yes, he's staring intently
into the ball.
368
00:12:14,501 --> 00:12:15,500
[eerie music]
369
00:12:15,569 --> 00:12:17,135
- Crystal ball...
- What do you see?
370
00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:20,438
- Is Justin a catfish playa?
371
00:12:20,507 --> 00:12:22,273
♪ ♪
372
00:12:22,342 --> 00:12:23,274
- Hint?
- I'm not getting anything.
373
00:12:23,343 --> 00:12:24,609
- Not--okay, let it go.
374
00:12:24,678 --> 00:12:27,746
- "Ask again later."
[both laugh]
375
00:12:27,814 --> 00:12:30,048
Right, Angela's 41.
376
00:12:30,117 --> 00:12:32,317
She was in a relationship
for almost 20 years.
377
00:12:32,385 --> 00:12:33,818
It yielded three children,
378
00:12:33,887 --> 00:12:36,187
but left her broken.
379
00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:37,922
For two years now,
she's been single,
380
00:12:37,991 --> 00:12:39,290
getting her life
back on track,
381
00:12:39,359 --> 00:12:40,458
gets into TikTok.
382
00:12:40,527 --> 00:12:42,427
That takes off,
and right away,
383
00:12:42,496 --> 00:12:44,329
she starts getting
comments and messages
384
00:12:44,397 --> 00:12:46,397
and notices one
from a guy named Justin.
385
00:12:46,466 --> 00:12:47,966
They start talking every day.
386
00:12:48,034 --> 00:12:49,934
It's now been two months, and
the couple times they planned
387
00:12:50,003 --> 00:12:51,803
on meeting up,
something's happened.
388
00:12:51,872 --> 00:12:53,104
Something comes up for work...
389
00:12:53,173 --> 00:12:54,672
- Or that date--
is it not strange
390
00:12:54,741 --> 00:12:56,274
he "couldn't find her"
in New York?
391
00:12:56,343 --> 00:12:58,276
- Over the years,
making this show,
392
00:12:58,345 --> 00:13:01,012
that's a very
typical catfish move.
393
00:13:01,081 --> 00:13:02,847
It's a tactic.
- Mm-hmm.
394
00:13:02,916 --> 00:13:04,783
- So Angela sent us an email.
395
00:13:04,851 --> 00:13:06,217
It says, "Hey, Nev and Shan"--
396
00:13:06,286 --> 00:13:07,685
you made it into the email.
- Yes.
397
00:13:07,754 --> 00:13:08,987
- "Thank you
for coming out here
398
00:13:09,055 --> 00:13:10,655
"to help me
with this whole situation.
399
00:13:10,724 --> 00:13:13,892
"What I know is that
his name is Justin,
400
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,394
but he also goes by Gary."
401
00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:18,830
[laughs]
"But I know his name is Justin.
402
00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:20,398
"He lives in Brooklyn.
403
00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:21,699
"Here's his Instagram.
404
00:13:21,768 --> 00:13:24,803
"His TikTok URL
is [bleep] Justin,"
405
00:13:24,871 --> 00:13:25,804
and a phone number.
406
00:13:25,872 --> 00:13:27,438
"I'm sending the photos I have.
407
00:13:27,507 --> 00:13:29,073
"If you have any questions
or need anything else from me,
408
00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:30,809
feel free to call or text."
409
00:13:30,877 --> 00:13:32,644
- I'm tingling right now.
Where do we start?
410
00:13:32,712 --> 00:13:34,312
- Let's just do an image search
411
00:13:34,381 --> 00:13:35,580
even though I can't imagine
412
00:13:35,649 --> 00:13:37,749
we're gonna find
any of these pictures anywhere.
413
00:13:37,818 --> 00:13:39,117
So here's the first one.
414
00:13:39,186 --> 00:13:40,952
Okay, nothing there.
415
00:13:41,021 --> 00:13:41,986
All right, next pic.
416
00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:44,522
[suspenseful music]
417
00:13:44,591 --> 00:13:47,425
Nothin',
Last one.
418
00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:50,195
♪ ♪
419
00:13:50,263 --> 00:13:52,697
Negative.
All right, so enough with that.
420
00:13:52,766 --> 00:13:55,433
Let's run the phone number.
421
00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:56,835
New York, New York,
422
00:13:56,903 --> 00:13:59,037
but no name
associated with this number.
423
00:13:59,105 --> 00:14:01,706
Let's try another site.
424
00:14:01,775 --> 00:14:03,074
Kay, again, nothing.
425
00:14:03,143 --> 00:14:04,676
- Is that strange
426
00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:06,377
for the phone thing
not to check out?
427
00:14:06,446 --> 00:14:09,214
- No.
Often, phone numbers
428
00:14:09,282 --> 00:14:11,382
will come up
to other people's names,
429
00:14:11,451 --> 00:14:13,351
or like in this case,
it doesn't come back
430
00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:15,520
with a name at all.
- Okay.
431
00:14:15,589 --> 00:14:16,654
- So what else
do we have here?
432
00:14:16,723 --> 00:14:18,423
We have Instagram.
433
00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:19,657
Here is his Instagram.
Okay, so--
434
00:14:19,726 --> 00:14:21,759
- Okay.
- It appears his name
435
00:14:21,828 --> 00:14:23,461
is Gary--last name, Natsu.
436
00:14:23,530 --> 00:14:25,530
Like, can we just look that up
and just see if Natsu
437
00:14:25,599 --> 00:14:28,700
is some, like, slang,
Urban Dictionary thing?
438
00:14:28,768 --> 00:14:31,436
Oh!
Natsu is a character.
439
00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:33,404
So he must be a big fan
of this character.
440
00:14:33,473 --> 00:14:36,174
But that still doesn't
explain why he goes by Gary.
441
00:14:36,243 --> 00:14:38,276
So I wanna just look up
"Gary Natsu,"
442
00:14:38,345 --> 00:14:39,811
'cause could that even be
443
00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,580
a more specific reference
to someone?
444
00:14:42,649 --> 00:14:44,215
- Oh, he actually popped up.
- Ooh, wait a second.
445
00:14:44,284 --> 00:14:46,251
There's a Facebook.
446
00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:47,819
- That is him!
- Whoa!
447
00:14:47,888 --> 00:14:49,220
Wait,
does she have this Facebook?
448
00:14:49,289 --> 00:14:50,788
Did she send us this?
No.
449
00:14:50,857 --> 00:14:52,724
So they're not even
on Facebook together,
450
00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:53,958
and here he is.
451
00:14:54,027 --> 00:14:56,427
He has a link here
to a fanfiction.
452
00:14:56,496 --> 00:14:57,662
Oh, he has a Linktree?
453
00:14:57,731 --> 00:14:59,130
Linktree, garynatsu.
454
00:14:59,199 --> 00:15:00,698
[dramatic music]
455
00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,600
- Royal Load--
don't know what that is.
456
00:15:02,669 --> 00:15:05,270
Wow, this is a sort
of fanfiction thing,
457
00:15:05,338 --> 00:15:07,438
and look, he's even got
his Instagram linked here
458
00:15:07,507 --> 00:15:09,240
to the same one that we have.
459
00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:11,075
"Pokémon trainer Gary
460
00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:14,412
has lost a lot on his journey
through the Kanto region."
461
00:15:14,481 --> 00:15:18,116
So this guy, yeah,
he's really into fanfiction.
462
00:15:18,184 --> 00:15:19,651
So this is very much
a part of his life--
463
00:15:19,719 --> 00:15:21,386
crazy that it hasn't come up.
464
00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:22,587
- It is pretty crazy.
465
00:15:22,656 --> 00:15:24,989
- His name definitely
seems to be Gary.
466
00:15:25,058 --> 00:15:26,157
We know
his last name's not Natsu,
467
00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:27,659
'cause that's a character name.
- Mm.
468
00:15:27,727 --> 00:15:30,295
- But, like,
he doesn't call himself Justin
469
00:15:30,363 --> 00:15:32,430
in any of these spaces.
- Right.
470
00:15:32,499 --> 00:15:33,998
- So that is strange.
471
00:15:34,067 --> 00:15:37,568
- Mm-hmm.
- What else do we have here?
472
00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:40,672
That's definitely Justin/Gary.
473
00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:43,374
Also, look, I mean, this is
definitely New York City,
474
00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:45,343
100%, unmistakable.
475
00:15:45,412 --> 00:15:47,645
Look, he's even got pictures
of what seem to be his house.
476
00:15:47,714 --> 00:15:50,248
It's filled with anime.
477
00:15:50,317 --> 00:15:52,283
Whoa, that's him in a mask.
478
00:15:52,352 --> 00:15:54,485
Oh, what's that?
479
00:15:54,554 --> 00:15:55,954
- Oh...
480
00:15:56,022 --> 00:15:58,122
that's a wedding ring.
- It certainly looks like one.
481
00:15:58,191 --> 00:15:59,958
- It does look a wedding ring.
- Right?
482
00:16:00,026 --> 00:16:02,193
That could be his wife.
483
00:16:02,262 --> 00:16:04,429
"Me and my friends
celebrating my birthday...
484
00:16:04,497 --> 00:16:06,564
differences
and scaring the wife"!
485
00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:09,400
He's [bleep] married!
486
00:16:09,469 --> 00:16:11,502
He said, "My wife"!
487
00:16:11,571 --> 00:16:12,637
- Oh, he tagged her.
488
00:16:12,706 --> 00:16:14,872
♪ ♪
489
00:16:14,941 --> 00:16:16,474
- This is--that's the girl--
- Wow.
490
00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:19,243
- From the picture!
- Yeah, damn.
491
00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:20,712
- Hard to get
any more info though.
492
00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:23,014
Her page is private.
That's a bummer.
493
00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:24,849
- All right, he's married.
494
00:16:24,918 --> 00:16:27,352
- In an interesting,
somewhat unexpected twist,
495
00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:29,520
all signs seem to be pointing
496
00:16:29,589 --> 00:16:32,190
to "Justin"
really just being Gary,
497
00:16:32,258 --> 00:16:34,492
which is not a name
he's been hiding--
498
00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:35,927
- Right.
- Who's a real guy--
499
00:16:35,996 --> 00:16:37,729
the guy in the pictures,
500
00:16:37,797 --> 00:16:39,163
lives in New York,
501
00:16:39,232 --> 00:16:41,032
but unfortunately for Angela,
502
00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:43,501
it looks like
this guy is married.
503
00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:45,436
♪ ♪
504
00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:48,439
- We're here.
505
00:16:48,508 --> 00:16:49,607
- [grunts]
506
00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:52,810
[dramatic music]
507
00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:53,978
Hey.
- Hi, welcome again.
508
00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:54,979
- All right!
- Hello!
509
00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:56,280
- Hello.
- What's up?
510
00:16:56,349 --> 00:16:58,149
- Great to see you.
- Yes, nice to see you.
511
00:16:58,218 --> 00:17:00,084
I wanna find out
what we got going.
512
00:17:00,153 --> 00:17:02,487
- Well, we have
a lot to talk about.
513
00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:03,955
All right, so why doesn't
everyone slide in,
514
00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:06,624
so that we can all look
at the screen together?
515
00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:08,326
Okay, first of all,
we just said,
516
00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:10,261
"Okay,
let's just look up Gary."
517
00:17:10,330 --> 00:17:11,763
- Mm-hmm.
- "Even though we think
518
00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:13,798
"his name is Justin,
what's this name Gary"--
519
00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:15,666
- Natsu.
- Right.
520
00:17:15,735 --> 00:17:17,568
- It isn't the other name.
- So you knew that?
521
00:17:17,637 --> 00:17:19,070
- No, no, no, no, no.
- Oh!
522
00:17:19,139 --> 00:17:20,538
- I'm look at your internet--
- Oh, you're looking at it.
523
00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:21,606
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Okay, so Natsu
524
00:17:21,674 --> 00:17:23,474
is a character.
So he's using
525
00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:25,777
an anime character
as his last name.
526
00:17:25,845 --> 00:17:27,211
- Okay.
- Now here's
527
00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,846
something interesting--
when you Google Gary Natsu,
528
00:17:28,915 --> 00:17:30,581
there's a Facebook page.
529
00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:32,550
- Oh, that's Justin!
- Right.
530
00:17:32,619 --> 00:17:34,452
So there's a page.
531
00:17:34,521 --> 00:17:35,787
- He told me
he didn't use Facebook.
532
00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:37,855
I didn't even realize
you were on Facebook.
533
00:17:37,924 --> 00:17:40,992
- But here's where we really
started picking up steam.
534
00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:42,160
- Mm-hmm.
- When we clicked
535
00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:43,795
on the About section,
536
00:17:43,863 --> 00:17:45,530
he's got a Linktree.
537
00:17:45,598 --> 00:17:46,931
Now here's
something interesting--
538
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,966
- Mm-hmm?
- I just noticed this--
539
00:17:49,035 --> 00:17:50,334
this is his Instagram page.
- Mm-hmm.
540
00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:51,502
- The one
you've been looking at.
541
00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:53,704
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
- What do you see
542
00:17:53,773 --> 00:17:56,074
when you look at this?
543
00:17:56,142 --> 00:17:57,675
- I mean, the anime?
544
00:17:57,744 --> 00:17:59,177
- Okay, the first thing
you see is anime,
545
00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:01,913
but look harder.
546
00:18:03,783 --> 00:18:05,650
'Cause this is, I think,
part of the problem.
547
00:18:05,718 --> 00:18:07,018
- That I don't see things.
548
00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:08,619
- You don't see things,
549
00:18:08,688 --> 00:18:10,221
or you don't look for things.
- And they're right in my face.
550
00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:12,490
- Or you're easily distracted
by the wrong things.
551
00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:13,825
You know what I see?
552
00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:15,493
His bio.
553
00:18:15,562 --> 00:18:19,564
Right here--he's
a Pokémon fanfiction writer.
554
00:18:19,632 --> 00:18:21,365
- Mm-hmm.
- So he's a writer.
555
00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,668
- Mm-hmm.
- "Read my stories here."
556
00:18:23,736 --> 00:18:25,002
- Oh, I've never
even read his stories.
557
00:18:25,071 --> 00:18:27,171
- And then a link!
Here's his Linktree,
558
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,674
which has links
to six different accounts
559
00:18:29,742 --> 00:18:31,075
on different websites,
560
00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:34,579
one of which is a place
where people post fanfiction,
561
00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:37,181
and it has a bio--
"Hey, my name is Gary,
562
00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:38,583
Pokémon fan"--
- See, he's saying
563
00:18:38,651 --> 00:18:39,851
his name is Gary!
- Right--
564
00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:42,653
talks about writing
fanfiction for Pokémon.
565
00:18:42,722 --> 00:18:44,822
This is something
he's been doing a long time.
566
00:18:44,891 --> 00:18:47,492
- Right, and
it's something I should have...
567
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,827
talked to him about.
- Something--but the fact
568
00:18:49,896 --> 00:18:51,829
that he hasn't mentioned...
- Never.
569
00:18:51,898 --> 00:18:53,698
- That he has
a major passion...
570
00:18:53,766 --> 00:18:56,367
- Mm-hmm.
- For fanfiction and writing
571
00:18:56,436 --> 00:18:58,069
and reading, like--weird!
572
00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,037
- Never has he talked
about any of this.
573
00:19:00,106 --> 00:19:02,373
- So basically, at this point,
we started to think,
574
00:19:02,442 --> 00:19:05,076
like,
"Okay, it looks like this guy
575
00:19:05,145 --> 00:19:07,678
is mostly
what you think he is,"
576
00:19:07,747 --> 00:19:10,281
but we then went back
to the Facebook page
577
00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:12,416
that we found
and thought, "Okay,
578
00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,852
"let's take a deep dive.
Let's go through the posts.
579
00:19:14,921 --> 00:19:17,054
"Let's see
if we can find anything
580
00:19:17,123 --> 00:19:18,222
that can tell us more."
581
00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:22,093
- Mm, and did you?
- Yeah, we found this.
582
00:19:22,162 --> 00:19:25,696
Here he is with what looks
like a wedding ring.
583
00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:29,066
And in this post,
584
00:19:29,135 --> 00:19:33,204
he calls that woman his wife.
585
00:19:33,273 --> 00:19:35,439
- He has a wife?
586
00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:41,012
♪ ♪
587
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,480
That makes me upset.
588
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:46,951
- ♪ Sometimes love feels
like a heart attack ♪
589
00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,386
[vocalizes]
590
00:19:48,454 --> 00:19:49,954
I'm, like, really confused.
591
00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:51,989
- ♪ It breaks you down ♪
592
00:19:52,058 --> 00:19:54,392
♪ Just to bring you back ♪
593
00:19:54,460 --> 00:19:56,427
- This is, like, deep--
you're married.
594
00:19:58,364 --> 00:20:00,331
Now this is, like,
turning into more secretive--
595
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,532
it's like he knows
a lot about me,
596
00:20:01,601 --> 00:20:03,000
but I know nothing about him.
597
00:20:03,069 --> 00:20:08,072
- ♪ Sometimes love feels
like a heart attack ♪
598
00:20:08,141 --> 00:20:09,907
- But I do wanna point out
599
00:20:09,976 --> 00:20:14,278
his picture is from 2019.
600
00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:17,348
So it's possible
they're divorced.
601
00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:19,083
- Possibly.
602
00:20:19,152 --> 00:20:21,619
- Why wouldn't he have
mentioned being married?
603
00:20:21,688 --> 00:20:25,022
- And with my ex, he's not
on any of my social media.
604
00:20:25,091 --> 00:20:26,524
I erased him.
- Right.
605
00:20:26,593 --> 00:20:28,159
- The fact
that all this is still up--
606
00:20:28,228 --> 00:20:29,527
maybe he's still married.
607
00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:31,162
I'm, like, really confused,
608
00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:33,197
and I feel a little scared,
'cause, like, I feel scared,
609
00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:34,932
'cause, like, this guy
knows so much more about me
610
00:20:35,001 --> 00:20:36,467
than I know about him.
611
00:20:36,536 --> 00:20:41,005
- ♪ Sometimes love feels
like a heart attack ♪
612
00:20:42,976 --> 00:20:45,376
- Well, I think now
we're at this moment where,
613
00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:46,777
in a way,
I feel more confident
614
00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:48,179
that there is, in fact,
a guy named Justin
615
00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:49,313
who lives in New York City--
- Right.
616
00:20:49,382 --> 00:20:50,748
- That looks like the guy
in the pictures,
617
00:20:50,817 --> 00:20:52,817
but there is still
this big question mark--
618
00:20:52,885 --> 00:20:54,485
is he married?
619
00:20:54,554 --> 00:20:55,987
- Mm-hmm.
- There's no mention
620
00:20:56,055 --> 00:20:58,322
or evidence of his wife
since 2019.
621
00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:01,759
So it's possible
they're divorced.
622
00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:02,893
But it doesn't look like
623
00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:04,795
there's much more
we can find out--
624
00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:06,497
- Without, like,
talking to him.
625
00:21:06,566 --> 00:21:08,099
You think I should
just confront him?
626
00:21:08,167 --> 00:21:10,501
- Well, I don't know if I want
to use the word "confront"--
627
00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:11,802
at least not about the wife--
628
00:21:11,871 --> 00:21:12,970
yet.
- Mm-hmm.
629
00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:15,606
- But I think
you should call Justin.
630
00:21:15,675 --> 00:21:17,241
- Do you think we should call?
- Yeah.
631
00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:19,310
Let's see if he answers.
- I know.
632
00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:20,611
[phone line trilling]
633
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,113
- Your call has been forwarded
634
00:21:22,181 --> 00:21:25,116
to an automated voice
messaging system.
635
00:21:25,184 --> 00:21:27,351
646...
636
00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:29,120
- Yeah, it wasn't the name.
- Right.
637
00:21:29,188 --> 00:21:30,855
What is the best way to--
[phone dings]
638
00:21:30,923 --> 00:21:32,156
Was that--
oh, that's the number.
639
00:21:32,225 --> 00:21:34,158
That's the number we called.
- It is.
640
00:21:34,227 --> 00:21:35,626
- "Hey, I just missed
a call from you.
641
00:21:35,695 --> 00:21:37,662
I'm at dinner with a friend."
642
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:39,630
- Mm.
- Okay, I think you say,
643
00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:41,232
"Fine, but I did
want to talk to you
644
00:21:41,301 --> 00:21:43,367
about finally meeting up
face-to-face."
645
00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:44,468
- I feel comfortable
saying that.
646
00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:45,670
- Right.
- That sounds--
647
00:21:45,738 --> 00:21:47,305
- So you could say
your version of that.
648
00:21:47,373 --> 00:21:51,042
So, "You mean a lot to me,
and I would really like to see
649
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:53,477
"where this is going.
I'm off tomorrow.
650
00:21:53,546 --> 00:21:55,313
Why don't we finally
get together?"
651
00:21:55,381 --> 00:21:56,580
- Mm-hmm.
- Nice.
652
00:21:56,649 --> 00:21:58,149
Let's see what they say.
653
00:21:58,217 --> 00:21:59,250
[phone dings]
- There he is.
654
00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:00,885
- Whoa, whoa!
He said, "Next week
655
00:22:00,953 --> 00:22:02,486
would be better.
Are you free then?"
656
00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:04,288
- He always does this.
- Right, this is the thing.
657
00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:06,123
So--
- Maybe now is a good time
658
00:22:06,192 --> 00:22:07,792
for the ultimatum.
- Yeah, say,
659
00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:09,860
"Cut the crap, Justin."
660
00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:11,862
That's what I would say.
661
00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:13,397
What--can you read it to us?
662
00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:15,266
- "Look,
I don't want any more excuses.
663
00:22:15,335 --> 00:22:17,101
"I'm tired of waiting.
I emailed 'Catfish'
664
00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:18,969
for assistance,
and they are here with me."
665
00:22:19,038 --> 00:22:21,405
- Wow.
- Now I think I scared him.
666
00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:23,240
I'm usually
a very positive, nice person.
667
00:22:23,309 --> 00:22:25,209
[phone dings]
- Oh, he wrote back.
668
00:22:25,278 --> 00:22:27,011
"Um, wow, I'm really confused.
669
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,413
"You called 'Catfish,'
like, because of me?
670
00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:31,382
"I honestly do think
you're great too.
671
00:22:31,451 --> 00:22:33,351
"I'm just a little
caught off guard
672
00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:36,220
"and not fully sure what
to think nor am comfortable
673
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:38,689
with all this.
I need time to think it over."
674
00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:41,559
So say, "Okay, right,
I totally get.
675
00:22:41,627 --> 00:22:44,362
I look forward
to hearing from you soon."
676
00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:46,831
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay, wow.
677
00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:49,834
Well, whether he comes
to town here or we go there,
678
00:22:49,902 --> 00:22:51,068
it's now or never.
679
00:22:51,137 --> 00:22:54,538
So get some rest,
and we'll see what happens.
680
00:22:54,607 --> 00:22:55,740
All right.
681
00:22:55,808 --> 00:22:57,842
- Thanks for stopping by.
682
00:22:57,910 --> 00:22:59,677
- Bye, Angela.
683
00:22:59,746 --> 00:23:02,680
It's cats and dogs
over here in New Jersey.
684
00:23:02,749 --> 00:23:05,883
- It does seem like there are
two versions of Justin.
685
00:23:05,952 --> 00:23:08,886
- Yes, you've got
really nice, shy guy,
686
00:23:08,955 --> 00:23:11,088
who has just been
shell-shocked,
687
00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:13,290
or really mischievous guy,
688
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,860
who's finally getting
called out on his BS.
689
00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:18,729
Either way, Angela's love life
is on the line.
690
00:23:18,798 --> 00:23:21,465
[dramatic music]
691
00:23:22,802 --> 00:23:24,735
- I brought
a little breakfast.
692
00:23:24,804 --> 00:23:26,036
Hello?
693
00:23:26,105 --> 00:23:27,872
- Hello, come in.
694
00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:30,274
Wow.
- [chuckles]
695
00:23:30,343 --> 00:23:31,876
- Is this a treat for us both?
696
00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:33,978
- It's for you,
but I'm gonna eat most of it.
697
00:23:34,046 --> 00:23:35,413
- Two different
kinds of pastries.
698
00:23:35,481 --> 00:23:36,814
You need options, yeah.
- I like options.
699
00:23:36,883 --> 00:23:38,816
How you doin'?
- I am doing great.
700
00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:42,086
- We have nothing new,
but perhaps Angela does.
701
00:23:42,155 --> 00:23:43,254
[phone line trills]
702
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:45,589
- Angela.
- Good morning!
703
00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:46,590
- Hey, good morning.
704
00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:48,092
- Have you heard anything?
705
00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:53,697
- Well, now that he knows
we're working together,
706
00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:55,633
maybe I reach out this morning
707
00:23:55,701 --> 00:23:57,668
just to see if perhaps
I can get a response.
708
00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:01,572
- Okay, great.
709
00:24:01,641 --> 00:24:02,873
As soon as I have some info,
710
00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:04,942
I will let you know.
711
00:24:05,011 --> 00:24:06,677
All right.
712
00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:08,345
Okay, so Justin--
713
00:24:08,414 --> 00:24:10,347
"Good morning, Justin.
714
00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:14,151
"This is Nev from Catfish.
715
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:15,619
"I promise you have
nothing to worry about.
716
00:24:15,688 --> 00:24:17,655
"As you know, Angela is
717
00:24:17,723 --> 00:24:21,826
"a very open-minded person.
718
00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,928
"I know you said
you were nervous,
719
00:24:23,996 --> 00:24:25,596
"but we would love
to help you guys
720
00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,498
"finally meet in real life.
721
00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:31,469
Is there any way
for us to meet you?"
722
00:24:31,537 --> 00:24:33,704
- The prayer here is
that he's gonna come out here.
723
00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:34,905
- We could drive up
to the city.
724
00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:36,373
He could drive there.
725
00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:37,608
We could meet in the middle.
[phone dings]
726
00:24:37,677 --> 00:24:39,043
- Oh, my God!
- Catfish, oh, my gosh.
727
00:24:39,111 --> 00:24:40,344
- He wrote back.
728
00:24:40,413 --> 00:24:42,112
"I'm definitely pretty nervous,
729
00:24:42,181 --> 00:24:43,514
"but I am willing to do this.
730
00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:45,516
Do you have a place
I can meet at?"
731
00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:46,817
- Wow!
732
00:24:46,886 --> 00:24:48,452
I did not see this coming.
733
00:24:48,521 --> 00:24:53,824
- I'm gonna say, "Fantastic.
I promise you won't regret it.
734
00:24:53,893 --> 00:24:56,293
"We have a nice park
735
00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:59,730
we can meet at."
736
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:01,398
- I can't believe this is
actually gonna happen.
737
00:25:01,467 --> 00:25:03,400
- Well...
- You still have doubts?
738
00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:04,969
- I mean,
people have done this before.
739
00:25:05,037 --> 00:25:07,905
They seemed positive,
and then...
740
00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:09,173
- Not shown.
- Right.
741
00:25:09,242 --> 00:25:11,308
- Right, which he's done before
to Angela.
742
00:25:11,377 --> 00:25:13,978
- Yeah, right,
which usually suggests
743
00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:15,346
that they're hiding something.
[message whoops]
744
00:25:15,414 --> 00:25:16,680
- Oh.
- Wow.
745
00:25:16,749 --> 00:25:19,183
- "Okay, I'll do my best
to be there in an hour."
746
00:25:19,252 --> 00:25:22,887
I'll say, "Okay, great.
See you soon."
747
00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:26,824
All right, let's call Angela.
748
00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:28,025
- Hi, Angela.
749
00:25:28,094 --> 00:25:29,927
- I was just texting
with Justin.
750
00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:32,930
He agreed to meet up with us.
751
00:25:32,999 --> 00:25:35,165
- He said he'll come down here,
752
00:25:35,234 --> 00:25:37,001
which means we'll come
to scoop you,
753
00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:38,702
and then
we'll head over there.
754
00:25:38,771 --> 00:25:40,771
- Okay, see you soon.
- Bye.
755
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,073
- Probably a strange mix
of hoping he comes
756
00:25:43,142 --> 00:25:44,909
and he hoping he does not come.
757
00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:46,010
- That's your feeling?
758
00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:47,378
- No, for Angela.
759
00:25:47,446 --> 00:25:49,513
I think some people
get so attached to the story,
760
00:25:49,582 --> 00:25:52,182
and now you have to break up
with potentially the person
761
00:25:52,251 --> 00:25:53,884
and the story
that you told yourself.
762
00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:55,252
That's hard to do,
- Right.
763
00:25:57,123 --> 00:25:58,889
- All right...
764
00:25:59,825 --> 00:26:02,960
- Wanna do the honors?
- I'd love to do the honors.
765
00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:07,097
- Whoo!
- Oh, wow, you are ready!
766
00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:08,432
- Oh, my goodness!
- I'm ready.
767
00:26:08,501 --> 00:26:09,867
- Look at this.
- You--Angela,
768
00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:11,001
we're going to a park.
- I know.
769
00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:12,169
I wanna make
a good first impression.
770
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:13,971
- This is
an amazing first impression.
771
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,074
- Wow, this show's called
"Catfish," not "catwalk,"
772
00:26:17,143 --> 00:26:18,609
Angela.
- [laughs]
773
00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:20,044
Thank you.
774
00:26:20,112 --> 00:26:22,079
- Oh, yeah!
775
00:26:22,148 --> 00:26:24,782
Whew, here we go.
776
00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:26,717
- A little nervous,
but I'm still excited.
777
00:26:26,786 --> 00:26:28,285
- So Angela, it seems like
778
00:26:28,354 --> 00:26:32,957
despite all of the possible
deception and ambiguity,
779
00:26:33,025 --> 00:26:36,427
you feel like we could be
driving to your destiny?
780
00:26:36,495 --> 00:26:37,928
- Yeah, definitely.
781
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:39,263
- But he could be married.
782
00:26:39,332 --> 00:26:41,632
- But there's still a chance
he might not be too.
783
00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:42,933
- Of course.
- And there's still a chance
784
00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:44,068
that maybe it's not even him.
785
00:26:44,136 --> 00:26:46,837
♪ ♪
786
00:26:46,906 --> 00:26:48,072
I dunno.
787
00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:51,075
[suspenseful music]
788
00:26:51,143 --> 00:26:52,376
♪ ♪
789
00:26:52,445 --> 00:26:53,911
Oh, I've been here many times.
790
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:57,281
- It seems very
drop-a-dead-body-ish.
791
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:58,616
- Okay.
792
00:26:58,684 --> 00:27:00,517
Let's see.
Let's let him know, maybe,
793
00:27:00,586 --> 00:27:01,752
that we're here.
794
00:27:01,821 --> 00:27:03,120
"Hey, Justin,
795
00:27:03,189 --> 00:27:06,490
we just arrived."
[message whoops]
796
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:07,858
Should we go look for him?
- Sure thing.
797
00:27:07,927 --> 00:27:08,859
- All right.
798
00:27:08,928 --> 00:27:15,265
♪ ♪
799
00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:17,368
- I'm not feeling
too good about this now.
800
00:27:17,436 --> 00:27:20,204
- Well, hold on.
Maybe we got here first.
801
00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:21,205
- Right.
802
00:27:21,273 --> 00:27:23,941
♪ ♪
803
00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:25,042
- Justin's not over here.
804
00:27:25,111 --> 00:27:28,012
Let's see--maybe by the lake.
805
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,014
- I do see somebody
sitting on a bench--
806
00:27:30,082 --> 00:27:32,082
a single person
all the way out there.
807
00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:34,184
I don't know.
- Whoa, yeah, do you see that?
808
00:27:34,253 --> 00:27:35,219
- Yeah.
809
00:27:35,287 --> 00:27:37,788
♪ ♪
810
00:27:37,857 --> 00:27:38,889
- Is that him?
811
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,026
No, I don't think so.
812
00:27:42,094 --> 00:27:44,028
Let's go back.
I assume if we're gonna meet,
813
00:27:44,096 --> 00:27:45,362
it's probably gonna be
814
00:27:45,431 --> 00:27:46,363
kind of
right by the parking lot,
815
00:27:46,432 --> 00:27:49,066
so maybe
we got here before him.
816
00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:52,536
♪ ♪
817
00:27:52,605 --> 00:27:54,038
If he pulls
into the parking lot,
818
00:27:54,106 --> 00:27:55,439
we can't miss him.
819
00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:58,242
All right...
820
00:28:00,813 --> 00:28:02,713
Wanna let him know?
- Tell him what time?
821
00:28:02,782 --> 00:28:05,015
- Well, I just told him
we were here, so...
822
00:28:05,084 --> 00:28:07,217
- I like,
"Did you find your way here?"
823
00:28:07,286 --> 00:28:08,185
- Yeah, that's good.
824
00:28:08,254 --> 00:28:11,321
♪ ♪
825
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:13,223
[message whoops]
Was that me or you?
826
00:28:14,727 --> 00:28:16,193
- Mm...
- Is that him?
827
00:28:16,262 --> 00:28:17,695
- Did he say something?
828
00:28:17,763 --> 00:28:19,530
- I think he's here.
829
00:28:19,598 --> 00:28:20,731
- Yeah, wait a second.
830
00:28:36,449 --> 00:28:37,881
- I think he's here.
831
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:39,183
- Yeah, wait a second.
832
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,666
- Seems like
it was taken right now.
833
00:28:59,538 --> 00:29:00,938
Right?
- Let's go check and see
834
00:29:01,006 --> 00:29:02,039
if that--
- I know, right?
835
00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:06,009
That seems crazy
that he would be here...
836
00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:07,778
- This close.
837
00:29:07,847 --> 00:29:10,781
[suspenseful music]
838
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:12,483
♪ ♪
839
00:29:12,551 --> 00:29:14,084
I guess
he just didn't wanna come.
840
00:29:14,153 --> 00:29:16,520
- Or he didn't
wanna show his face.
841
00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:18,422
Maybe he's not who you think.
842
00:29:18,491 --> 00:29:20,958
- I just thought
we had a better connection.
843
00:29:21,026 --> 00:29:22,960
- I think, at this point,
it's about you.
844
00:29:23,028 --> 00:29:25,095
- Right.
- And you've given a lot,
845
00:29:25,164 --> 00:29:26,330
you've invested a lot,
846
00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:27,731
you've been hurt a lot,
847
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,633
and this is something
that's really important to you,
848
00:29:29,702 --> 00:29:32,269
and you'd ask him
to reconsider.
849
00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:34,772
- "I'm still here
if you change your mind.
850
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,907
"This is about me
and what I need.
851
00:29:36,976 --> 00:29:38,442
"As someone who cared about me,
852
00:29:38,511 --> 00:29:39,810
"I know this matters to you.
853
00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:41,445
I'll be here,
like, 20 more minutes."
854
00:29:41,514 --> 00:29:44,782
- All right, so let's
hope that he shows up.
855
00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:45,783
- Kay.
856
00:29:45,851 --> 00:29:48,786
[dramatic music]
857
00:29:48,854 --> 00:29:49,853
♪ ♪
858
00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:54,191
[suspenseful music]
859
00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:56,226
I--I don't think
he's gonna come.
860
00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,962
- There's still cars coming in.
861
00:29:59,031 --> 00:30:00,063
- I think you come this far
862
00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:02,533
because you want
to share your truth.
863
00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:05,536
He just needed the nudge.
So I think he'll come back.
864
00:30:05,604 --> 00:30:07,905
- I just find it strange that
he came all the way out here
865
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:09,039
from New York
and then chickened out
866
00:30:09,108 --> 00:30:11,008
at the very last second.
867
00:30:11,076 --> 00:30:14,144
- I wish he got a chance
to hear how genuine you are.
868
00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:18,649
♪ ♪
869
00:30:18,717 --> 00:30:21,218
- This car is
sort of sitting there.
870
00:30:22,888 --> 00:30:24,521
Check it out
871
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:27,157
before he pulls away, you know?
872
00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:34,164
♪ ♪
873
00:30:34,233 --> 00:30:35,232
Hey.
874
00:30:36,135 --> 00:30:37,367
- What's up?
875
00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:39,536
Are you Justin?
876
00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:42,506
- Thanks for coming back.
877
00:30:42,575 --> 00:30:43,607
A little nervous?
878
00:30:44,777 --> 00:30:47,778
All right.
- So he came back.
879
00:30:47,847 --> 00:30:50,113
I'm interested to know if
that's the guy in the pictures.
880
00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:52,416
- I'm interested in a lot.
- Yeah...
881
00:30:52,484 --> 00:30:54,685
- Angela's eager to meet you.
882
00:30:54,753 --> 00:30:57,221
She's obviously curious
883
00:30:57,289 --> 00:31:00,724
and I think, now,
a bit concerned.
884
00:31:00,793 --> 00:31:03,327
- I guess it may be
that the difference
885
00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:07,030
is the strong independentness
of her and, you know,
886
00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:09,466
with her TikTok
and her online persona--
887
00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:11,835
online is a lot more,
you know, different,
888
00:31:11,904 --> 00:31:13,537
and most of my stuff is just--
- Right.
889
00:31:13,606 --> 00:31:15,405
- It doesn't feature myself.
- Sure, I mean,
890
00:31:15,474 --> 00:31:18,709
don't get me wrong--
Angela's also struggled,
891
00:31:18,777 --> 00:31:21,411
I think, with insecurity
and self-doubt.
892
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,881
So I think you guys actually
have a lot more in common
893
00:31:23,949 --> 00:31:25,182
than you realize.
894
00:31:25,251 --> 00:31:26,283
- How's your heart?
895
00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:28,719
[chuckles]
896
00:31:28,787 --> 00:31:31,221
- It's fluttering.
897
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:34,958
I got butterflies.
Heartbeat's out there.
898
00:31:35,027 --> 00:31:36,927
- I just feel so out of place,
899
00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:41,732
and it's nerve-racking.
It's crippling.
900
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,434
My anxiety is just...
901
00:31:44,503 --> 00:31:46,270
- Sure.
I mean, I can't obviously
902
00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:47,638
change the way you feel,
but I think you should
903
00:31:47,706 --> 00:31:50,807
come over there with me
and just see how it feels,
904
00:31:50,876 --> 00:31:52,276
and if you leave now,
905
00:31:52,344 --> 00:31:53,510
you'll always regret it.
906
00:31:53,579 --> 00:31:54,645
You'll always
feel bad about it,
907
00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:55,946
and you'll carry it forever.
908
00:31:56,015 --> 00:31:57,781
So the only way out
909
00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:59,082
is in.
910
00:31:59,151 --> 00:32:02,953
- It's really embarrassing,
but I can't do it.
911
00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:04,655
- Well, at the very least,
Nev will come back
912
00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:06,924
with some answers for you.
- Mm-hmm.
913
00:32:06,992 --> 00:32:10,460
I just can't imagine,
like, it being this long
914
00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:12,162
to make a decision.
- Yeah.
915
00:32:12,231 --> 00:32:13,530
- I mean, what could
he be talking about
916
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,666
that he can't tell me?
917
00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,334
- Let's just start small.
918
00:32:17,403 --> 00:32:18,802
Let me just open the door.
919
00:32:18,871 --> 00:32:20,470
You don't have to get out.
- I don't wanna open the door.
920
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:22,005
I'm pretty much a coward.
921
00:32:22,074 --> 00:32:25,976
I--I think I'm better off
running off.
922
00:32:26,045 --> 00:32:28,078
- For better or for worse,
923
00:32:28,147 --> 00:32:29,913
you and only you
924
00:32:29,982 --> 00:32:31,648
got yourself this far.
925
00:32:31,717 --> 00:32:34,451
Clearly, it was something
you wanted to do.
926
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,620
You just gotta
make that little leap,
927
00:32:36,689 --> 00:32:38,288
which is, honestly,
just open the door
928
00:32:38,357 --> 00:32:40,157
and take one step and it'll
be all--and that's it.
929
00:32:40,225 --> 00:32:42,859
♪ ♪
930
00:32:42,928 --> 00:32:44,461
Just take a second.
Think about it.
931
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,163
- Okay.
932
00:32:46,231 --> 00:32:47,631
- The car hasn't pulled away.
933
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:49,466
Window's up.
- Window's up.
934
00:32:49,535 --> 00:32:52,536
♪ ♪
935
00:32:52,604 --> 00:32:54,004
- Oh, he's coming to us.
936
00:32:54,073 --> 00:32:57,040
[dramatic music]
937
00:32:57,109 --> 00:33:00,777
- This is possibly
the most anxious,
938
00:33:00,846 --> 00:33:02,846
socially uncomfortable person
939
00:33:02,915 --> 00:33:04,748
I've ever encountered
on the show.
940
00:33:04,817 --> 00:33:07,484
- That says a lot.
- Yeah, yeah.
941
00:33:07,553 --> 00:33:09,119
He's got cold feet,
weak in the knees.
942
00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:11,321
He's just not giving
himself a chance
943
00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:13,156
and just assuming the worst.
944
00:33:13,225 --> 00:33:16,326
- Well, is he the pictures?
945
00:33:16,395 --> 00:33:17,461
- I couldn't really see him.
946
00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:21,965
- No way.
- Yeah, here he comes.
947
00:33:24,937 --> 00:33:25,936
- He's got cold feet,
weak in the knees.
948
00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:27,771
He's just not giving
himself a chance
949
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,606
and just assuming the worst.
950
00:33:29,675 --> 00:33:32,676
- Well, is he the pictures?
951
00:33:32,745 --> 00:33:33,977
- I couldn't really see him.
952
00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:38,382
- No way.
- Yeah, here he comes.
953
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,385
[dramatic music]
954
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:42,486
- It's him.
955
00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:47,290
- [giggles]
- All right, hey, man.
956
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:48,558
- Hey.
- Hello.
957
00:33:48,627 --> 00:33:50,293
- Hi, Justin.
- Glad you decided to join us.
958
00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:53,497
I wanna just
introduce myself formally.
959
00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,632
Pleasure--Nev.
Just Justin?
960
00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:56,600
- Yes.
- Gary's just, like,
961
00:33:56,668 --> 00:33:58,502
your fanfiction name?
962
00:33:58,570 --> 00:34:00,137
Just clearing that up.
- [chuckles]
963
00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:01,738
- Justin, Shan.
- Hi.
964
00:34:01,807 --> 00:34:03,140
- Hello.
- Of course, Angela, you know.
965
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:05,542
- Hello.
- Hi.
966
00:34:05,611 --> 00:34:07,844
Hi, nice to meet you.
- Can I give you a hug?
967
00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:10,047
- Sure.
- Nice to meet you.
968
00:34:10,115 --> 00:34:12,516
- Uh,
969
00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:15,886
as Nev has probably
already explained,
970
00:34:15,954 --> 00:34:17,854
I'm cripply nervous
about everything.
971
00:34:17,923 --> 00:34:19,656
Uh, uh...
972
00:34:19,725 --> 00:34:20,924
- I appreciate you
telling me that though.
973
00:34:20,993 --> 00:34:23,393
- Right, and I did think
it would only be proper
974
00:34:23,462 --> 00:34:25,495
to at least come out
and actually greet you
975
00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:28,231
and everything.
Um, I haven't really,
976
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,435
I mean, not sure everything
that's been discovered,
977
00:34:31,503 --> 00:34:35,105
but, um, going through ending
a previous relationship
978
00:34:35,174 --> 00:34:37,574
has, you know,
979
00:34:37,643 --> 00:34:39,576
put me in a certain spot,
980
00:34:39,645 --> 00:34:40,977
where I just--
981
00:34:41,046 --> 00:34:44,514
figuring out
my next step in life.
982
00:34:44,583 --> 00:34:46,216
- Justin, can just I ask you
a couple of questions
983
00:34:46,285 --> 00:34:48,051
just to clear some things up?
- Sure.
984
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,353
- You said
your "previous relationship."
985
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:52,389
Are you talking
about your marriage?
986
00:34:52,458 --> 00:34:53,757
You were married, right?
987
00:34:53,826 --> 00:34:56,059
- Yeah.
- Okay, and that's over now?
988
00:34:56,128 --> 00:34:58,061
You're fully broken up?
- Yeah.
989
00:34:58,130 --> 00:35:00,130
- Similar to you,
Angela just came out
990
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,499
of a very
long-term relationship
991
00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:04,968
that was heartbreaking.
You're really the first person
992
00:35:05,037 --> 00:35:06,236
that she's engaged with
993
00:35:06,305 --> 00:35:08,105
since this big devastation
in her life,
994
00:35:08,173 --> 00:35:09,906
and I think--would be curious
995
00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:13,076
to know, from what your
perspective is, how you felt.
996
00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:15,212
- You know, I try not to expect
too much out of people
997
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,380
to avoid being hurt.
998
00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:19,816
Um, so I'm kind of
999
00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:21,351
in just this middle ground
1000
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:25,455
of just--I find someone
to talk to, we talk,
1001
00:35:25,524 --> 00:35:27,390
and
1002
00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:34,030
it just be something where I'm
just not looking for anything
1003
00:35:34,099 --> 00:35:37,300
or expecting anything.
1004
00:35:37,369 --> 00:35:39,936
- From what Angela remembers,
initially, after you had
1005
00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:41,972
commented on her--
one of her TikToks,
1006
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,907
you had said,
"Oh, we should meet up."
1007
00:35:43,976 --> 00:35:45,775
At that moment,
when you asked her,
1008
00:35:45,844 --> 00:35:46,910
like,
1009
00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:48,745
were you serious
about meeting up, or...
1010
00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,580
- Yeah, I was.
- You were?
1011
00:35:50,649 --> 00:35:53,683
- But I mean,
1012
00:35:53,752 --> 00:35:55,652
you don't
really expect anything.
1013
00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:57,154
You kind of just--it doesn't
really mean anything.
1014
00:35:57,222 --> 00:35:58,788
- So you didn't necessarily
think it would happen?
1015
00:35:58,857 --> 00:36:01,925
- Right.
I didn't, um--
1016
00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:03,960
it's nothing new.
I've always been like this,
1017
00:36:04,029 --> 00:36:07,130
even with my close friends.
I don't always go through
1018
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:08,431
with, uh, decisions.
- Right.
1019
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:09,766
- Not that
I lied about anything,
1020
00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:12,836
but I also, um...
1021
00:36:12,905 --> 00:36:14,137
- You sugarcoated it.
1022
00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:17,841
Like, you keep me coming back
for conversation.
1023
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:20,277
- Yeah, I tried my best--
- I told them I was satisfied
1024
00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:21,845
with the conversations also.
1025
00:36:21,914 --> 00:36:24,447
It was relieving to get
the good mornings,
1026
00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:25,949
the good evenings,
"How are you doing?"
1027
00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:28,585
That's why I was so comfortable
about the whole situation.
1028
00:36:28,654 --> 00:36:31,688
- And that's just genuinely,
you know,
1029
00:36:31,757 --> 00:36:33,623
that is genuinely me,
1030
00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:37,160
but, uh, right now, I just
don't know what I think.
1031
00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:39,129
I don't have any, um--
1032
00:36:39,198 --> 00:36:44,134
I don't have
any concrete idea of...
1033
00:36:44,203 --> 00:36:47,304
♪ ♪
1034
00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:49,639
Where I'm going.
1035
00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,342
♪ ♪
1036
00:36:52,411 --> 00:36:53,910
- But I do think
there's a big difference.
1037
00:36:53,979 --> 00:36:55,478
When we're trying
to not to hurt people,
1038
00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:58,682
we create loose boundaries
for who we might be,
1039
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,250
rather than setting
clear boundaries
1040
00:37:00,319 --> 00:37:01,851
for who we know we are today.
1041
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,654
So I think it could be really
impactful and powerful for you
1042
00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:07,891
to just set a clear boundary
of, "Maybe I have to stop down,
1043
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,226
"heal for myself.
1044
00:37:09,294 --> 00:37:10,660
"I'm not looking
to date right now,
1045
00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:12,696
but I am happy
to have met you."
1046
00:37:12,764 --> 00:37:14,331
- Yeah, um,
1047
00:37:14,399 --> 00:37:18,935
I definitely value our chatting
and our friendship.
1048
00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:22,939
I don't see anything
for the time being.
1049
00:37:23,008 --> 00:37:26,042
♪ ♪
1050
00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:29,379
That would be the most sincere
I could be about it.
1051
00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:31,248
- I get that.
I understand.
1052
00:37:31,316 --> 00:37:33,283
- How about you?
What are you feeling,
1053
00:37:33,352 --> 00:37:34,384
now that
you guys have finally--
1054
00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:36,019
- I can't see me be, you know,
1055
00:37:36,088 --> 00:37:36,987
not being friends with him.
1056
00:37:37,055 --> 00:37:38,388
I can't see me saying,
1057
00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:40,290
"I don't wanna speak to you
ever again" right now.
1058
00:37:40,359 --> 00:37:42,125
I'm still open
to being friends,
1059
00:37:42,194 --> 00:37:45,128
and I totally thank you
for coming
1060
00:37:45,197 --> 00:37:47,097
and putting yourself out there.
1061
00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:50,400
Like I said, I learned a lot,
and I do appreciate you coming
1062
00:37:50,469 --> 00:37:52,569
and explaining this
to me in person.
1063
00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:54,104
I'm happy we met.
- Me too.
1064
00:37:54,172 --> 00:37:55,739
- Okay.
1065
00:37:55,807 --> 00:37:57,774
- ♪ I found a reason ♪
1066
00:37:57,843 --> 00:38:01,544
- Okay, so then, I think
we're gonna head back.
1067
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:04,214
Um, so we can move on
1068
00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:06,750
from all of this.
1069
00:38:06,818 --> 00:38:08,652
Sorry if I was a little pushy,
1070
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,288
but I really felt
like it was the right thing.
1071
00:38:11,356 --> 00:38:14,758
I'm glad you chose
the way you did.
1072
00:38:14,826 --> 00:38:16,660
- Right.
- Yeah.
1073
00:38:16,728 --> 00:38:19,129
Y'all got to kind of
get through this together.
1074
00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:22,265
So--pleasure to meet you.
- Pleasure to meet you as well.
1075
00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:25,902
- And I'm just happy that you
guys are gonna stay in touch.
1076
00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:27,804
- Yes.
- This was my first time
1077
00:38:27,873 --> 00:38:29,439
on the case.
It was an honor.
1078
00:38:29,508 --> 00:38:30,974
I can't believe you're
actually the real person.
1079
00:38:31,043 --> 00:38:33,443
- [chuckles]
- So this is very,
1080
00:38:33,512 --> 00:38:34,678
very fascinating.
1081
00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:35,945
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you as well.
1082
00:38:36,014 --> 00:38:37,580
- It was a pleasure.
- Thanks again.
1083
00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:38,815
- No problem.
1084
00:38:38,884 --> 00:38:40,917
- ♪ In the end ♪
1085
00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:42,285
- Drive safe.
- Thank you.
1086
00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:44,120
- Take care.
- See you.
1087
00:38:44,189 --> 00:38:47,157
- ♪ That's where I am ♪
1088
00:38:47,225 --> 00:38:48,258
- So what do you think?
1089
00:38:51,596 --> 00:38:53,763
- Yeah, stay in touch--
I don't think pursuing
1090
00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:55,298
any kind of relationship--
- No.
1091
00:38:55,367 --> 00:38:57,801
- But, you know,
hey, who knows?
1092
00:38:57,869 --> 00:39:00,470
- Well, this was an adventure.
1093
00:39:00,539 --> 00:39:02,839
- You guys taught me
a lot about myself and, um,
1094
00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:04,874
what I need to do
to move forward.
1095
00:39:04,943 --> 00:39:08,278
- ♪ It all works out
in the end ♪
1096
00:39:08,347 --> 00:39:10,113
- Thank you, guys,
for showing me the finest
1097
00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:12,248
that New Jersey has to offer--
1098
00:39:12,317 --> 00:39:14,150
Angela included.
1099
00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:15,118
- Thank you.
1100
00:39:15,187 --> 00:39:20,290
♪ ♪
1101
00:39:20,359 --> 00:39:22,826
[doorbell rings]
- Angela, hey!
1102
00:39:22,894 --> 00:39:24,194
- What's up?
How are you doing?
1103
00:39:24,262 --> 00:39:25,195
- Good.
What's going on?
1104
00:39:25,263 --> 00:39:26,663
Give me an update.
1105
00:39:26,732 --> 00:39:29,199
- I tried to, like, stay
back and forth with Justin,
1106
00:39:29,267 --> 00:39:31,101
but we never really
got to talk too much.
1107
00:39:31,169 --> 00:39:33,870
- Well, are you happy that
you got a chance to meet him
1108
00:39:33,939 --> 00:39:35,505
and kind of figure it all out?
1109
00:39:35,574 --> 00:39:38,641
- Um, yes.
It gave me a taste of reality.
1110
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:40,410
I think
he's still a nice person.
1111
00:39:40,479 --> 00:39:42,011
It's just--I wish
he would've been more honest.
1112
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,047
- Yeah.
- It wouldn't have led to me
1113
00:39:44,116 --> 00:39:47,317
being so disappointed, but love
is gonna find its way to me.
1114
00:39:47,386 --> 00:39:48,718
I know that.
- I'm sure it will.
1115
00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:50,720
It was really lovely
1116
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:52,288
getting to meet you
and spend time with you.
1117
00:39:52,357 --> 00:39:53,890
- Really nice talking to you
and seeing you.
1118
00:39:53,959 --> 00:39:56,025
- Yeah, we'll talk soon.
- All right, bye.
1119
00:39:56,094 --> 00:39:57,394
[camera chimes]
1120
00:39:57,462 --> 00:39:59,362
[doorbell rings]
- Hey, Justin.
1121
00:39:59,431 --> 00:40:00,897
What's up, man?
- Hey.
1122
00:40:00,966 --> 00:40:02,966
- How are you feeling?
What about Angela?
1123
00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:05,368
Is that a friendship,
1124
00:40:05,437 --> 00:40:07,937
relationship that you're still
keeping in your life?
1125
00:40:08,006 --> 00:40:09,839
- I mean, we've talked
for a bit afterwards
1126
00:40:09,908 --> 00:40:11,608
and everything, and, uh,
1127
00:40:11,676 --> 00:40:13,610
but I don't think
it was too receptive.
1128
00:40:13,678 --> 00:40:15,678
Some things need something
to continue forward,
1129
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,280
and if it doesn't have that,
it--
1130
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:19,582
more--like,
more of an effort...
1131
00:40:19,651 --> 00:40:22,619
- Um, I think a lot of people
will probably relate
1132
00:40:22,687 --> 00:40:25,722
to your anxiety.
- Mm-hmm.
1133
00:40:25,791 --> 00:40:27,257
- From this experience.
I know that wasn't easy.
1134
00:40:27,325 --> 00:40:30,460
But I hope that it's more
positive than negative.
1135
00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:32,595
Uh, I appreciate meeting you.
1136
00:40:32,664 --> 00:40:33,830
I think
you did the right thing.
1137
00:40:33,899 --> 00:40:35,231
- Yeah, I agree.
1138
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:36,533
- All right, man, well,
good luck with everything
1139
00:40:36,601 --> 00:40:38,368
and, uh, hopefully,
everything will work out.
1140
00:40:38,437 --> 00:40:39,602
- Hopefully so.
Thank you.
1141
00:40:39,671 --> 00:40:41,237
I appreciate y'all.
- All right, later, man.
1142
00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:54,284
- I'm back...
- Is she real?
1143
00:40:54,352 --> 00:40:55,819
We are glad to have you back,
1144
00:40:55,887 --> 00:40:57,887
because Sham has been
talking to Phillip,
1145
00:40:57,956 --> 00:40:59,522
but she's not seeing
the red flags.
1146
00:40:59,591 --> 00:41:01,024
- I'm already
picturing our wedding.
1147
00:41:01,092 --> 00:41:03,359
I need to [bleep] know,
like, what is this?
1148
00:41:03,428 --> 00:41:04,761
- This is it.
- Whoa.
1149
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:05,995
This is a one-of-a-kind home.
1150
00:41:06,064 --> 00:41:07,697
[doorbell rings]
1151
00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:08,765
- [gasps]
Somebody's coming.
1152
00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:09,799
Somebody's coming.
1153
00:41:09,868 --> 00:41:10,900
- Hello?