1 00:00:01,935 --> 00:00:04,037 - ♪♪ MTV ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,104 --> 00:00:05,739 - For her 20s and 30s, 3 00:00:05,806 --> 00:00:07,174 Angela was in a relationship, 4 00:00:07,241 --> 00:00:08,542 but that ended, 5 00:00:08,609 --> 00:00:09,943 gets into TikTok, and right away, 6 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:12,012 she gets a message from a guy named Justin. 7 00:00:12,079 --> 00:00:14,114 - He always would say, "You're a good mother," 8 00:00:14,181 --> 00:00:15,315 "You're smart," "You're pretty." 9 00:00:15,382 --> 00:00:17,017 - You don't even know how old he is? 10 00:00:17,084 --> 00:00:19,186 What's that? - That is a wedding ring. 11 00:00:19,253 --> 00:00:21,355 - He's married! 12 00:00:21,421 --> 00:00:23,457 - I'm not feeling too good about this now. 13 00:00:23,524 --> 00:00:26,093 - Hey, are you Justin? 14 00:00:26,159 --> 00:00:29,196 [dramatic musical sting] 15 00:00:29,263 --> 00:00:30,664 Kamie's not here this episode, 16 00:00:30,731 --> 00:00:32,766 but the good news is we have an amazing replacement. 17 00:00:32,833 --> 00:00:35,802 We've got intimacy expert, who also happens to be 18 00:00:35,869 --> 00:00:37,571 a super rad chick. 19 00:00:37,638 --> 00:00:39,640 She's ready to crack this case with us, 20 00:00:39,706 --> 00:00:42,142 and her name is Shan Boodram. 21 00:00:42,209 --> 00:00:44,144 - Wassup! 22 00:00:44,211 --> 00:00:46,580 - Shan is truly one of a kind-- 23 00:00:46,647 --> 00:00:48,682 a renowned sexologist, 24 00:00:48,749 --> 00:00:51,485 her YouTube channel has over 70 million views. 25 00:00:51,552 --> 00:00:54,154 - You were just open, saying yes to pleasure-- 26 00:00:54,221 --> 00:00:55,389 - Yes. - But pleasure in all forms. 27 00:00:55,455 --> 00:00:57,024 - So with Kamie gone this week, 28 00:00:57,090 --> 00:00:59,826 what better person to try to help us find love online 29 00:00:59,893 --> 00:01:01,562 than Shan Boodram? 30 00:01:01,628 --> 00:01:03,096 - I'm also Kamie's friend. 31 00:01:03,163 --> 00:01:04,932 - Oh, and friend of Kamie? - Yes, I'm a friend of Kamie. 32 00:01:04,998 --> 00:01:06,433 - Oh, so you're a perfect surrogate? 33 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:07,801 - I'm a perfect surrogate. 34 00:01:07,868 --> 00:01:12,306 - So what is sexology and intimacy work? 35 00:01:12,372 --> 00:01:14,208 - So I always say sexologist is to sex-- 36 00:01:14,274 --> 00:01:15,442 - Right. - What a nutritionist 37 00:01:15,509 --> 00:01:17,344 is to food. So a chef cooks the food-- 38 00:01:17,411 --> 00:01:18,679 - Yes. - And prepares for you. 39 00:01:18,745 --> 00:01:20,247 So that would be a sex worker. 40 00:01:20,314 --> 00:01:24,885 So a sexologist studies sex and studies the psychology 41 00:01:24,952 --> 00:01:26,920 and the biology and the sociology of sex, 42 00:01:26,987 --> 00:01:29,723 and it maybe provides insight to chefs 43 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:31,325 to be able to cook better food. 44 00:01:31,391 --> 00:01:34,261 I actually hope that it's a kinky case-- 45 00:01:34,328 --> 00:01:36,029 kinky case, kinky case. 46 00:01:36,096 --> 00:01:37,130 - [chuckles] 47 00:01:37,197 --> 00:01:38,665 Well, let's see. 48 00:01:38,732 --> 00:01:40,400 All right, we got an email. 49 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:44,371 "Hey, Nev and"... 50 00:01:44,438 --> 00:01:46,039 - Surrogate Kamie. - Yes, exactly. 51 00:01:48,342 --> 00:01:51,378 - ♪♪ If I fall down, then I get back up ♪♪ 52 00:01:51,445 --> 00:01:54,381 - "I'm 41 and a working actress. 53 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:58,018 "I live in Howell, New Jersey with my three gorgeous kids. 54 00:01:58,085 --> 00:02:00,787 "2 years ago, when I was turning 40, 55 00:02:00,854 --> 00:02:02,489 "I wanted to change my whole life, 56 00:02:02,556 --> 00:02:05,158 so I decided to embrace my fabulousness." 57 00:02:05,225 --> 00:02:06,493 - As you should. - "I ended 58 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,130 "a 20-year relationship, 59 00:02:10,197 --> 00:02:12,666 and found myself confused by dating." 60 00:02:12,733 --> 00:02:13,834 - ♪♪ I'm not breaking ♪♪ 61 00:02:13,901 --> 00:02:15,736 ♪♪ He'll know I don't quit ♪♪ 62 00:02:15,802 --> 00:02:17,971 - "I can barely tell a Tinder from a tweet." 63 00:02:18,038 --> 00:02:19,740 - [laughs] - "I started focusing 64 00:02:19,806 --> 00:02:21,375 on what I was passionate about"-- 65 00:02:21,441 --> 00:02:23,210 - Mm-hmm. - "Kids, entertaining, 66 00:02:23,277 --> 00:02:24,545 "and my social media. 67 00:02:24,611 --> 00:02:27,014 "This past July, I posted on TikTok 68 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,284 "about going to NYC to do some background work 69 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:31,885 "and Justin, 70 00:02:31,952 --> 00:02:34,488 "a total stranger, commented. 71 00:02:34,555 --> 00:02:37,758 He asked if he could meet up with me while I was there." 72 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:40,260 - ♪♪ Move it, each step is showing I can ♪♪ 73 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:41,595 ♪♪ Do it, I'm working ♪♪ 74 00:02:41,662 --> 00:02:44,364 - "I thought he was nuts, because who does that? 75 00:02:44,431 --> 00:02:46,233 "But then I decided, 'What the hell?' 76 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:47,868 "And said yes. 77 00:02:47,935 --> 00:02:51,338 "Unfortunately, we didn't make that meetup happen. 78 00:02:51,405 --> 00:02:52,472 "But from then on, 79 00:02:52,539 --> 00:02:54,374 "Justin was in my DMs 80 00:02:54,441 --> 00:02:56,376 "and messaging me daily. 81 00:02:56,443 --> 00:02:57,945 "He's intelligent, warm, 82 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:01,682 "and not used to a man being so kind and attentive. 83 00:03:01,748 --> 00:03:04,484 "I thought we'd meet pretty quickly, 84 00:03:04,551 --> 00:03:06,420 "but now it's more than two months, 85 00:03:06,486 --> 00:03:07,921 and we haven't had a single date." 86 00:03:07,988 --> 00:03:09,189 - Justin... 87 00:03:09,256 --> 00:03:10,424 - "When I try to meet him, 88 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:12,492 "there's always an excuse. 89 00:03:12,559 --> 00:03:15,229 "I was delusional for the 20 years I was with my ex, 90 00:03:15,295 --> 00:03:18,065 "and I don't wanna make the same mistake twice. 91 00:03:18,131 --> 00:03:20,501 "It's taken a lot for me to put myself out there again, 92 00:03:20,567 --> 00:03:24,705 "and the idea that he might be lying to me is devastating. 93 00:03:24,771 --> 00:03:26,874 "But if he's not trustworthy, 94 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:28,575 then it's time for us to part ways." 95 00:03:28,642 --> 00:03:30,010 - ♪♪ No time for losing ♪♪ 96 00:03:34,014 --> 00:03:35,682 - Can I just say-- what a pro move, 97 00:03:35,749 --> 00:03:36,817 if this is a catfish, 98 00:03:36,884 --> 00:03:39,386 to make the first bit of contact, 99 00:03:39,453 --> 00:03:40,621 "I wanna meet you," 100 00:03:40,687 --> 00:03:42,523 because that takes the doubt away. 101 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:44,057 - Oh, it really sort of locks in the, like, 102 00:03:44,124 --> 00:03:45,359 "Oh, yeah, we should meet up." - Yeah, like, 103 00:03:45,425 --> 00:03:46,393 "I'm a real person." - He's very bold. 104 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:47,594 - It's a very bold thing. - Right. 105 00:03:47,661 --> 00:03:49,396 - Yeah. - Shall we call Angela? 106 00:03:49,463 --> 00:03:50,531 - I'm very excited. - Find out more? 107 00:03:50,597 --> 00:03:53,166 Okay. [phone line trilling] 108 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:55,169 - Hello, is this Angela? 109 00:03:55,235 --> 00:03:58,939 - Hello, Angela, this is Nev from "Catfish." 110 00:04:00,741 --> 00:04:02,776 - I got your email, and before we get into it-- 111 00:04:02,843 --> 00:04:05,045 Kamie is not on this episode, 112 00:04:05,112 --> 00:04:08,549 but I have someone so fantastic, 113 00:04:08,615 --> 00:04:10,417 who is helping me, named Shan. 114 00:04:10,484 --> 00:04:11,752 - Hello, Angela. 115 00:04:13,887 --> 00:04:15,155 - And now you're single, 116 00:04:15,222 --> 00:04:18,192 welcome to the wild, [bleep] up world 117 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:19,259 of internet dating. 118 00:04:20,494 --> 00:04:22,229 - It's a lot. 119 00:04:22,296 --> 00:04:24,298 - So you just recently started your TikTok account, 120 00:04:24,364 --> 00:04:26,366 started posting videos, and all of a sudden, 121 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:27,935 this guy just hits you up? 122 00:04:28,001 --> 00:04:30,003 - Was he super fine in his little-ass circle picture, 123 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:31,205 and you're like, "I'ma tap it"? 124 00:04:33,974 --> 00:04:36,410 - Huh. Well, we are going 125 00:04:36,476 --> 00:04:39,112 to come to New Jersey, and we are gonna help you. 126 00:04:41,348 --> 00:04:42,783 - All right, we'll see you tomorrow, Angela. 127 00:04:42,850 --> 00:04:43,951 - Bye, Angela. - Bye. 128 00:04:45,018 --> 00:04:46,753 - Wow. - He's not getting a lot. 129 00:04:46,820 --> 00:04:49,389 - No, but she's been getting so little, I think, 130 00:04:49,456 --> 00:04:50,958 for so long. - That is true. 131 00:04:51,024 --> 00:04:52,826 - I mean, after 20 years in a relationship, 132 00:04:52,893 --> 00:04:55,195 I'm sure you know, if it's not going well-- 133 00:04:55,262 --> 00:04:57,898 like, she hasn't had love and affection in her life 134 00:04:57,965 --> 00:04:59,399 in so many years-- - Yeah. 135 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:02,336 - Just to have some other person reach out to her 136 00:05:02,402 --> 00:05:04,905 and shower her with affection or attention, 137 00:05:04,972 --> 00:05:07,374 like, probably means a lot to her. 138 00:05:07,441 --> 00:05:09,309 - I feel heavy but hopeful. 139 00:05:09,376 --> 00:05:10,577 - Great. - Let's do it. 140 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:14,047 Okay, the journey begins. 141 00:05:14,114 --> 00:05:17,684 - We're on our way to New Jersey. 142 00:05:17,751 --> 00:05:19,586 - I don't know what I'm signing up for. 143 00:05:19,653 --> 00:05:21,889 Hello to the unknown. 144 00:05:21,955 --> 00:05:23,357 - ♪♪ The world is ours ♪♪ 145 00:05:23,423 --> 00:05:25,259 ♪♪ The world is ours ♪♪ 146 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:26,827 - We made it. 147 00:05:26,894 --> 00:05:28,695 - When was the last time you were in New Jersey? 148 00:05:28,762 --> 00:05:30,397 - I wanna say maybe never. 149 00:05:30,464 --> 00:05:33,767 - Well, you will never forget New Jersey after this. 150 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:35,936 - Yeah, I'm extremely curious about this story. 151 00:05:36,003 --> 00:05:38,572 - Something's going on, and we need to figure it out. 152 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:40,307 There it is. 153 00:05:40,374 --> 00:05:42,276 - Oh, wow. 154 00:05:42,342 --> 00:05:44,278 [doorbell rings] - Oh. 155 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:45,646 Hey! - Hi! 156 00:05:45,712 --> 00:05:47,548 - Wow. - Hello. 157 00:05:47,614 --> 00:05:48,815 - Are you Angela? - I am. 158 00:05:48,882 --> 00:05:50,517 - Angela, I'm gonna shove you right now. 159 00:05:50,584 --> 00:05:51,718 - [chuckles] - You're so hot. 160 00:05:51,785 --> 00:05:53,487 - Yeah, right? - Let me get in here. 161 00:05:53,554 --> 00:05:54,721 - [laughs] 162 00:05:54,788 --> 00:05:56,256 - Wow, this place is gorgeous. 163 00:05:56,323 --> 00:05:57,958 - Thank you. Make yourself at home. 164 00:05:58,025 --> 00:06:00,060 - Oh, thank you. - Thanks for flying down. 165 00:06:00,127 --> 00:06:01,495 - Sure. 166 00:06:01,562 --> 00:06:04,131 So aside from the full-time job of mothering, 167 00:06:04,198 --> 00:06:05,966 you're an actress? - Yes. 168 00:06:06,033 --> 00:06:07,734 I just started that same time I started my TikToks. 169 00:06:07,801 --> 00:06:09,036 That's why I kind of started. 170 00:06:09,102 --> 00:06:11,572 - Huh. - So this was post-divorce. 171 00:06:11,638 --> 00:06:13,874 WE were completely separated for at least two years, 172 00:06:13,941 --> 00:06:16,243 but we weren't really-- it was, like, hot and cold 173 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:17,477 before that. - Right. 174 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:18,946 - Just staying together for the kids. 175 00:06:19,012 --> 00:06:20,647 - So when you broke up, is that when you were like, 176 00:06:20,714 --> 00:06:22,349 "I'm going to do all the things 177 00:06:22,416 --> 00:06:24,084 "that I couldn't do, 'cause I felt stifled 178 00:06:24,151 --> 00:06:25,919 in the relationship"? - Yeah, and I think I had 179 00:06:25,986 --> 00:06:27,654 a low self-esteem, so I was trying to build 180 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:29,590 my confidence and self-esteem back up. 181 00:06:29,656 --> 00:06:31,291 - So have you been going on dates? 182 00:06:31,358 --> 00:06:32,593 - No. - No? 183 00:06:32,659 --> 00:06:34,094 - Haven't at all. - So Justin's really, like, 184 00:06:34,161 --> 00:06:35,696 the first guy you've talked to? 185 00:06:35,762 --> 00:06:38,131 - He was the first one that I felt like I connected with. 186 00:06:38,198 --> 00:06:40,567 - So tell us about your connection with Justin. 187 00:06:40,634 --> 00:06:43,003 - I started making, um, Instagram videos and TikToks, 188 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:45,205 and then he would like the content I was posting. 189 00:06:45,272 --> 00:06:46,273 - What was the video? 190 00:06:46,340 --> 00:06:48,041 - One of those silhouette videos 191 00:06:48,108 --> 00:06:49,309 where you don't have clothes on. 192 00:06:49,376 --> 00:06:50,611 - Oh. - Yeah... 193 00:06:50,677 --> 00:06:51,945 - Wow. Do you remember 194 00:06:52,012 --> 00:06:53,247 what the comment was? 195 00:06:53,313 --> 00:06:54,848 - A puppy dog thing, and he's like, 196 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:56,149 "I have to see another one of these," 197 00:06:56,216 --> 00:06:57,417 or something. - Oh, okay. 198 00:06:57,484 --> 00:06:58,652 - But it made me, like, giggle. 199 00:06:58,719 --> 00:07:00,053 - Sure. - It made me smile. 200 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,122 Again, I'm going into this with low self-confidence, 201 00:07:02,189 --> 00:07:04,391 and he just boosted my self-esteem. 202 00:07:04,458 --> 00:07:07,194 He made me feel desired and liked and stuff. 203 00:07:07,261 --> 00:07:08,962 So then I'm like, "All right." I hearted it, 204 00:07:09,029 --> 00:07:10,430 and I put, "I'll see what I can do 205 00:07:10,497 --> 00:07:12,766 about making another video." 206 00:07:12,833 --> 00:07:14,601 - Okay, so then... 207 00:07:14,668 --> 00:07:15,769 - He started following me-- 208 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:17,004 - Right. - And then I followed him back, 209 00:07:17,070 --> 00:07:17,804 'cause that was how he was able to get 210 00:07:17,871 --> 00:07:18,805 into the inbox. 211 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:20,007 - Right. - Yes. 212 00:07:20,073 --> 00:07:21,308 - Then once he gets into the inbox, 213 00:07:21,375 --> 00:07:22,676 then it was kind of, like, a daily thing-- 214 00:07:22,743 --> 00:07:24,211 a "Good morning," "How are you doing?" 215 00:07:24,278 --> 00:07:26,213 "What do you do?" Then it was consistent. 216 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,748 - "What do you do?" - Right. 217 00:07:27,814 --> 00:07:29,917 - That, would then, I assume, 218 00:07:29,983 --> 00:07:32,619 prompt a conversation about what he does. 219 00:07:32,686 --> 00:07:34,521 Do you know what he does? - Mm-mm. 220 00:07:34,588 --> 00:07:36,290 I never got full answers, 221 00:07:36,356 --> 00:07:39,193 because then it would turn into another conversation. 222 00:07:39,259 --> 00:07:40,894 - 'Cause he's asking lots of questions? 223 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:42,563 - Correct. He's spitting out stuff-- 224 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:43,597 I'm answering. - Right. 225 00:07:43,664 --> 00:07:44,731 - And then I answer something, 226 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:45,999 but then it gets lost in the jumble. 227 00:07:46,066 --> 00:07:48,702 - That's okay. So you're DMing on TikTok 228 00:07:48,769 --> 00:07:49,903 and Instagram? - No. 229 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:51,071 That what I was just gonna get into. 230 00:07:51,138 --> 00:07:52,940 So then I develop this Instagram page, 231 00:07:53,006 --> 00:07:54,908 and I'm putting up videos. 232 00:07:54,975 --> 00:07:57,511 All of a sudden, I see this anime guy 233 00:07:57,578 --> 00:08:01,114 keep liking my videos. and his name is garynatsu, 234 00:08:01,181 --> 00:08:02,683 and he gets in the inbox-- 235 00:08:02,749 --> 00:08:05,352 "Just to let you know, this is Justin from TikTok." 236 00:08:05,419 --> 00:08:07,054 - Huh. - So I'm like, "Okay." 237 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,890 - Was it--okay. Had he specified 238 00:08:09,957 --> 00:08:11,525 what his name is? 239 00:08:11,592 --> 00:08:14,194 - He never actually told me whether it was Justin or Gary. 240 00:08:14,261 --> 00:08:16,396 - You never said, "Oh, it's kind of strange 241 00:08:16,463 --> 00:08:18,332 you have two names on these different platforms"? 242 00:08:18,398 --> 00:08:20,501 - He said he was into, like, anime and stuff like that. 243 00:08:20,567 --> 00:08:22,736 - So that's just his, like, gamey profile. 244 00:08:22,803 --> 00:08:24,438 - It confused me. I am older. 245 00:08:24,505 --> 00:08:26,507 So whatever--I knew it was the same person, 246 00:08:26,573 --> 00:08:28,542 so I felt comfortable enough to keep talking, 247 00:08:28,609 --> 00:08:31,178 but as far as the name, the job, even the age-- 248 00:08:31,245 --> 00:08:32,946 - You don't even know how old he is? 249 00:08:33,013 --> 00:08:34,882 - I'm assuming he was around my age 250 00:08:34,948 --> 00:08:37,150 because of the content of his language. 251 00:08:37,217 --> 00:08:39,086 - So you think his name is Justin what? 252 00:08:39,152 --> 00:08:40,354 - I don't know his last name. - Oh. 253 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:41,822 - Have you ever asked him his name? 254 00:08:41,889 --> 00:08:42,956 - Um, not really, 255 00:08:43,023 --> 00:08:45,192 because I kind of-- when I'm saying, 256 00:08:45,259 --> 00:08:46,860 "My name is this," I'm waiting for you 257 00:08:46,927 --> 00:08:48,762 to respond with yours. When I say, "I'm 41," 258 00:08:48,829 --> 00:08:50,430 I'm waiting for you to respond back. 259 00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:52,332 - But there's something about him that you're like, 260 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:54,201 "I wanna chase"-- - I don't chase, but yes, 261 00:08:54,268 --> 00:08:56,136 there's something about certain ways 262 00:08:56,203 --> 00:08:57,571 and things that were said. 263 00:08:57,638 --> 00:08:59,373 Like, in the morning, um, so-- 264 00:08:59,439 --> 00:09:00,941 "Are you feeling better from the night before?" 265 00:09:01,008 --> 00:09:02,910 Like, little things-- like, "Oh, did you get to do 266 00:09:02,976 --> 00:09:04,244 what you wanted last week?" 267 00:09:04,311 --> 00:09:05,812 Or "What are you gonna have for lunch?" 268 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:07,414 Just little things like that. 269 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,483 It's not something that everybody asks. 270 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:11,552 - So it's just less about the banter 271 00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:13,053 and more about the care-- 272 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,388 he cares. - Right. 273 00:09:14,454 --> 00:09:16,290 - And do you have his phone number? 274 00:09:16,356 --> 00:09:18,292 - I have it, yes. - So you did text? 275 00:09:18,358 --> 00:09:19,493 - We did once. - Once? 276 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:21,428 - Yeah, once, and the next morning, 277 00:09:21,495 --> 00:09:22,429 we went back to the apps. 278 00:09:22,496 --> 00:09:26,500 - Unless you're hiding 279 00:09:26,567 --> 00:09:28,569 you're relationship... - Right, right, right. 280 00:09:28,635 --> 00:09:30,337 - In which case, you don't want text messages 281 00:09:30,404 --> 00:09:32,105 coming up on your phone. - Yes. 282 00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:35,142 - Why wouldn't he-- - Yeah, that is strange. 283 00:09:35,209 --> 00:09:37,277 How do you know he feels intimately about you? 284 00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:38,912 - He always would say, "You're very kind," 285 00:09:38,979 --> 00:09:39,980 "You're a good mother," 286 00:09:40,047 --> 00:09:41,315 "You're smart," "You're pretty." 287 00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:43,116 - But has he ever said, "I really like you"? 288 00:09:43,183 --> 00:09:44,618 - Yes. - Okay. 289 00:09:44,685 --> 00:09:46,153 - Definitely said that. - But have you made any plans 290 00:09:46,220 --> 00:09:47,588 to meet up? - We did--we were supposed to 291 00:09:47,654 --> 00:09:49,890 meet on 42nd Street when I was out there one day, 292 00:09:49,957 --> 00:09:51,058 and I told him I'm waiting. 293 00:09:51,124 --> 00:09:52,593 I waited about 45 minutes, 294 00:09:52,659 --> 00:09:54,461 then I actually wanted to catch the sunset. 295 00:09:54,528 --> 00:09:56,230 So I says, "I'm heading over to Brooklyn 296 00:09:56,296 --> 00:09:58,165 so I could see the sunset over the bridge." 297 00:09:58,232 --> 00:10:00,033 Then I'm getting a text, "Oh, I was there. 298 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:01,635 Where were you?" - Oh, and then he gets 299 00:10:01,702 --> 00:10:02,836 to 42nd Street-- - Yes. 300 00:10:02,903 --> 00:10:03,770 - He's like, "Oh, I'm here, where are you?" 301 00:10:03,837 --> 00:10:05,372 - Correct. 302 00:10:05,439 --> 00:10:09,443 - Can we take a sort of scroll through some of your messages 303 00:10:09,510 --> 00:10:12,646 and just get a sense of your relationship? 304 00:10:12,713 --> 00:10:14,248 - All right, I have a lot. - So these are your messages? 305 00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:16,316 - Those are our messages from Instagram. 306 00:10:16,383 --> 00:10:18,519 - He said, "Good morning. Have a great day filming"-- 307 00:10:18,585 --> 00:10:20,621 just positive affirmations, 308 00:10:20,687 --> 00:10:21,989 being very supportive. 309 00:10:22,055 --> 00:10:23,857 - Yes. - It's amazing 310 00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:25,826 how many messages you guys have here. 311 00:10:25,893 --> 00:10:27,628 Oh, it's a lot, geez. 312 00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:28,962 - We talk daily. 313 00:10:29,029 --> 00:10:30,464 - I will say here, Angela, 314 00:10:30,531 --> 00:10:32,833 I haven't seen you ask him one question yet. 315 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:35,969 So you might respond back to what he says, 316 00:10:36,036 --> 00:10:38,105 like, "That's crazy," but not like, 317 00:10:38,172 --> 00:10:39,840 "Wow, how did you feel about that?" 318 00:10:39,907 --> 00:10:41,108 - Mm-hmm. - Or I haven't seen you 319 00:10:41,175 --> 00:10:43,010 directly ask him, like, "Where do you live?" 320 00:10:43,076 --> 00:10:46,246 "What do you do?" "What are you into?" 321 00:10:46,313 --> 00:10:47,848 - Wait, is this him? - Yes, that's one of him. 322 00:10:47,915 --> 00:10:49,249 - Wow, 323 00:10:49,316 --> 00:10:51,218 and he sent you these on TikTok? 324 00:10:51,285 --> 00:10:52,719 - Yeah. - Okay, that's not 325 00:10:52,786 --> 00:10:54,188 a vague photo at all. 326 00:10:54,254 --> 00:10:56,123 It's pretty clear. - Okay, so wait a second. 327 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:57,658 So these are pretty specific photos. 328 00:10:57,724 --> 00:10:59,693 - It's the same guy. It's the same nose--yeah. 329 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,261 - Huh. Yeah, I mean, 330 00:11:01,328 --> 00:11:02,896 some of the things about this guy 331 00:11:02,963 --> 00:11:04,565 seem very suspicious, 332 00:11:04,631 --> 00:11:07,000 and then, some things seem very legit. 333 00:11:07,067 --> 00:11:08,335 - Loveable, right. That's what I'm saying. 334 00:11:08,402 --> 00:11:10,537 I get--I'm very confused about the whole situation. 335 00:11:10,604 --> 00:11:12,906 - All right, so look, we are going to figure this out. 336 00:11:12,973 --> 00:11:14,308 - Thank you. 337 00:11:14,374 --> 00:11:15,709 - We'll check back in with you tomorrow 338 00:11:15,776 --> 00:11:17,010 an go from there. 339 00:11:17,077 --> 00:11:18,579 - Thanks for joining me. 340 00:11:18,645 --> 00:11:19,680 - [grunts] 341 00:11:19,746 --> 00:11:21,849 Good to meet you. 342 00:11:21,915 --> 00:11:23,250 - Nice to meet you, Angela. 343 00:11:23,317 --> 00:11:24,718 - Can't wait to see you guys. 344 00:11:24,785 --> 00:11:26,720 Find out everything. 345 00:11:26,787 --> 00:11:28,789 [dramatic music] 346 00:11:28,856 --> 00:11:30,524 - Not what I expected. 347 00:11:30,591 --> 00:11:32,993 She's not what I expected. - No, not at all. 348 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:34,928 - And this guy, you know, like, their relationship, 349 00:11:34,995 --> 00:11:36,363 I get it. - Yes. 350 00:11:36,430 --> 00:11:39,933 - You know, I don't know if I get it as much for him. 351 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,502 - She's an attractive woman, 352 00:11:41,568 --> 00:11:44,037 and he obviously slid in her DMs 353 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:46,073 or commented on, like, a sexy video. 354 00:11:46,139 --> 00:11:47,508 - Sure, sure. - So it feels like he would be 355 00:11:47,574 --> 00:11:50,110 incentivized to try to have a physical relationship. 356 00:11:50,177 --> 00:11:51,778 But because he's not trying to pursue 357 00:11:51,845 --> 00:11:53,113 this in-person relationship, 358 00:11:53,180 --> 00:11:55,015 but he's still trying to maintain contact-- 359 00:11:55,082 --> 00:11:56,917 that's the strange thing. 360 00:11:56,984 --> 00:11:59,453 I get why she likes Justin. 361 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,089 I don't get him. 362 00:12:02,155 --> 00:12:03,357 - That's what's crazy. 363 00:12:03,423 --> 00:12:05,726 What's this guy want from Angela? 364 00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:12,799 - All right. - This place looks cozy-- 365 00:12:12,866 --> 00:12:14,468 like a magical coffee shop. 366 00:12:14,535 --> 00:12:16,537 - What, a crystal ball? 367 00:12:16,603 --> 00:12:17,905 This is crazy. - Whoa! 368 00:12:17,971 --> 00:12:19,840 - I've never seen a crystal ball in my life. 369 00:12:19,907 --> 00:12:22,176 Oh, yes, he's staring intently into the ball. 370 00:12:22,242 --> 00:12:23,310 [eerie music] 371 00:12:23,377 --> 00:12:24,778 - Crystal ball... - What do you see? 372 00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:28,182 - Is Justin a catfish playa? 373 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:29,950 ♪♪ ♪♪ 374 00:12:30,017 --> 00:12:30,884 - Hint? - I'm not getting anything. 375 00:12:30,951 --> 00:12:32,386 - Not--okay, let it go. 376 00:12:32,452 --> 00:12:35,422 - "Ask again later." [both laugh] 377 00:12:35,489 --> 00:12:37,824 Right, Angela's 41. 378 00:12:37,891 --> 00:12:39,927 She was in a relationship for almost 20 years. 379 00:12:39,993 --> 00:12:41,495 It yielded three children, 380 00:12:41,562 --> 00:12:43,897 but left her broken. 381 00:12:43,964 --> 00:12:45,666 For two years now, she's been single, 382 00:12:45,732 --> 00:12:47,067 getting her life back on track, 383 00:12:47,134 --> 00:12:48,168 gets into TikTok. 384 00:12:48,235 --> 00:12:50,070 That takes off, and right away, 385 00:12:50,137 --> 00:12:51,972 she starts getting comments and messages 386 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:53,974 and notices one from a guy named Justin. 387 00:12:54,041 --> 00:12:55,576 They start talking every day. 388 00:12:55,642 --> 00:12:57,644 It's now been two months, and the couple times they planned 389 00:12:57,711 --> 00:12:59,513 on meeting up, something's happened. 390 00:12:59,580 --> 00:13:00,814 Something comes up for work... 391 00:13:00,881 --> 00:13:02,482 - Or that date-- is it not strange 392 00:13:02,549 --> 00:13:03,951 he "couldn't find her" in New York? 393 00:13:04,017 --> 00:13:05,986 - Over the years, making this show, 394 00:13:06,053 --> 00:13:08,722 that's a very typical catfish move. 395 00:13:08,789 --> 00:13:10,591 It's a tactic. - Mm-hmm. 396 00:13:10,657 --> 00:13:12,559 - So Angela sent us an email. 397 00:13:12,626 --> 00:13:13,927 It says, "Hey, Nev and Shan"-- 398 00:13:13,994 --> 00:13:15,329 you made it into the email. - Yes. 399 00:13:15,395 --> 00:13:16,797 - "Thank you for coming out here 400 00:13:16,864 --> 00:13:18,298 "to help me with this whole situation. 401 00:13:18,365 --> 00:13:21,602 "What I know is that his name is Justin, 402 00:13:21,668 --> 00:13:24,037 but he also goes by Gary." 403 00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:26,540 [laughs] "But I know his name is Justin. 404 00:13:26,607 --> 00:13:28,175 "He lives in Brooklyn. 405 00:13:28,242 --> 00:13:29,443 "Here's his Instagram. 406 00:13:29,510 --> 00:13:32,513 "His TikTok URL is [bleep] Justin," 407 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:33,547 and a phone number. 408 00:13:33,614 --> 00:13:35,215 "I'm sending the photos I have. 409 00:13:35,282 --> 00:13:36,750 "If you have any questions or need anything else from me, 410 00:13:36,817 --> 00:13:38,585 feel free to call or text." 411 00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:40,420 - I'm tingling right now. Where do we start? 412 00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:41,922 - Let's just do an image search 413 00:13:41,989 --> 00:13:43,257 even though I can't imagine 414 00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:45,459 we're gonna find any of these pictures anywhere. 415 00:13:45,526 --> 00:13:46,760 So here's the first one. 416 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:48,629 Okay, nothing there. 417 00:13:48,695 --> 00:13:49,663 All right, next pic. 418 00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:52,266 [suspenseful music] 419 00:13:52,332 --> 00:13:55,135 Nothin', Last one. 420 00:13:55,202 --> 00:13:57,871 ♪♪ ♪♪ 421 00:13:57,938 --> 00:14:00,407 Negative. All right, so enough with that. 422 00:14:00,474 --> 00:14:03,243 Let's run the phone number. 423 00:14:03,310 --> 00:14:04,645 New York, New York, 424 00:14:04,711 --> 00:14:06,747 but no name associated with this number. 425 00:14:06,813 --> 00:14:09,483 Let's try another site. 426 00:14:09,550 --> 00:14:10,751 Kay, again, nothing. 427 00:14:10,817 --> 00:14:12,319 - Is that strange 428 00:14:12,386 --> 00:14:14,054 for the phone thing not to check out? 429 00:14:14,121 --> 00:14:16,924 - No. Often, phone numbers 430 00:14:16,990 --> 00:14:19,092 will come up to other people's names, 431 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:21,028 or like in this case, it doesn't come back 432 00:14:21,094 --> 00:14:23,197 with a name at all. - Okay. 433 00:14:23,263 --> 00:14:24,431 - So what else do we have here? 434 00:14:24,498 --> 00:14:26,133 We have Instagram. 435 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,301 Here is his Instagram. Okay, so-- 436 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:29,503 - Okay. - It appears his name 437 00:14:29,570 --> 00:14:31,171 is Gary--last name, Natsu. 438 00:14:31,238 --> 00:14:33,207 Like, can we just look that up and just see if Natsu 439 00:14:33,273 --> 00:14:36,310 is some, like, slang, Urban Dictionary thing? 440 00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:39,112 Oh! Natsu is a character. 441 00:14:39,179 --> 00:14:41,114 So he must be a big fan of this character. 442 00:14:41,181 --> 00:14:43,917 But that still doesn't explain why he goes by Gary. 443 00:14:43,984 --> 00:14:45,919 So I wanna just look up "Gary Natsu," 444 00:14:45,986 --> 00:14:47,588 'cause could that even be 445 00:14:47,654 --> 00:14:50,290 a more specific reference to someone? 446 00:14:50,357 --> 00:14:51,859 - Oh, he actually popped up. - Ooh, wait a second. 447 00:14:51,925 --> 00:14:53,927 There's a Facebook. 448 00:14:53,994 --> 00:14:55,429 - That is him! - Whoa! 449 00:14:55,495 --> 00:14:56,897 Wait, does she have this Facebook? 450 00:14:56,964 --> 00:14:58,398 Did she send us this? No. 451 00:14:58,465 --> 00:15:00,434 So they're not even on Facebook together, 452 00:15:00,501 --> 00:15:01,768 and here he is. 453 00:15:01,835 --> 00:15:04,071 He has a link here to a fanfiction. 454 00:15:04,137 --> 00:15:05,439 Oh, he has a Linktree? 455 00:15:05,506 --> 00:15:06,807 Linktree, garynatsu. 456 00:15:06,874 --> 00:15:08,375 [dramatic music] 457 00:15:08,442 --> 00:15:10,310 - Royal Load-- don't know what that is. 458 00:15:10,377 --> 00:15:13,046 Wow, this is a sort of fanfiction thing, 459 00:15:13,113 --> 00:15:15,115 and look, he's even got his Instagram linked here 460 00:15:15,182 --> 00:15:16,917 to the same one that we have. 461 00:15:16,984 --> 00:15:18,752 "Pokémon trainer Gary 462 00:15:18,819 --> 00:15:22,155 has lost a lot on his journey through the Kanto region." 463 00:15:22,222 --> 00:15:25,926 So this guy, yeah, he's really into fanfiction. 464 00:15:25,993 --> 00:15:27,461 So this is very much a part of his life-- 465 00:15:27,528 --> 00:15:29,029 crazy that it hasn't come up. 466 00:15:29,096 --> 00:15:30,264 - It is pretty crazy. 467 00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:32,799 - His name definitely seems to be Gary. 468 00:15:32,866 --> 00:15:34,034 We know his last name's not Natsu, 469 00:15:34,101 --> 00:15:35,302 'cause that's a character name. - Mm. 470 00:15:35,369 --> 00:15:37,971 - But, like, he doesn't call himself Justin 471 00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:40,040 in any of these spaces. - Right. 472 00:15:40,107 --> 00:15:41,742 - So that is strange. 473 00:15:41,808 --> 00:15:45,179 - Mm-hmm. - What else do we have here? 474 00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:48,348 That's definitely Justin/Gary. 475 00:15:48,415 --> 00:15:50,984 Also, look, I mean, this is definitely New York City, 476 00:15:51,051 --> 00:15:53,120 100%, unmistakable. 477 00:15:53,187 --> 00:15:55,422 Look, he's even got pictures of what seem to be his house. 478 00:15:55,489 --> 00:15:57,925 It's filled with anime. 479 00:15:57,991 --> 00:15:59,893 Whoa, that's him in a mask. 480 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,296 Oh, what's that? 481 00:16:02,362 --> 00:16:03,830 - Oh... 482 00:16:03,897 --> 00:16:05,933 that's a wedding ring. - It certainly looks like one. 483 00:16:05,999 --> 00:16:07,701 - It does look a wedding ring. - Right? 484 00:16:07,768 --> 00:16:09,970 That could be his wife. 485 00:16:10,037 --> 00:16:12,139 "Me and my friends celebrating my birthday... 486 00:16:12,206 --> 00:16:14,374 differences and scaring the wife"! 487 00:16:14,441 --> 00:16:17,044 He's [bleep] married! 488 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:19,313 He said, "My wife"! 489 00:16:19,379 --> 00:16:20,414 - Oh, he tagged her. 490 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,516 ♪♪ ♪♪ 491 00:16:22,583 --> 00:16:24,184 - This is--that's the girl-- - Wow. 492 00:16:24,251 --> 00:16:27,020 - From the picture! - Yeah, damn. 493 00:16:27,087 --> 00:16:28,388 - Hard to get any more info though. 494 00:16:28,455 --> 00:16:30,757 Her page is private. That's a bummer. 495 00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:32,526 - All right, he's married. 496 00:16:32,593 --> 00:16:35,028 - In an interesting, somewhat unexpected twist, 497 00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:37,231 all signs seem to be pointing 498 00:16:37,297 --> 00:16:39,967 to "Justin" really just being Gary, 499 00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:42,135 which is not a name he's been hiding-- 500 00:16:42,202 --> 00:16:43,637 - Right. - Who's a real guy-- 501 00:16:43,704 --> 00:16:45,472 the guy in the pictures, 502 00:16:45,539 --> 00:16:46,874 lives in New York, 503 00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:48,809 but unfortunately for Angela, 504 00:16:48,876 --> 00:16:51,278 it looks like this guy is married. 505 00:16:51,345 --> 00:16:53,146 ♪♪ ♪♪ 506 00:16:58,385 --> 00:16:59,353 - We're here. 507 00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:00,554 - [grunts] 508 00:17:00,621 --> 00:17:03,790 [dramatic music] 509 00:17:03,857 --> 00:17:05,092 Hey. - Hi, welcome again. 510 00:17:05,158 --> 00:17:06,093 - All right! - Hello! 511 00:17:06,159 --> 00:17:07,427 - Hello. - What's up? 512 00:17:07,494 --> 00:17:09,263 - Great to see you. - Yes, nice to see you. 513 00:17:09,329 --> 00:17:11,031 I wanna find out what we got going. 514 00:17:11,098 --> 00:17:13,567 - Well, we have a lot to talk about. 515 00:17:13,634 --> 00:17:14,968 All right, so why doesn't everyone slide in, 516 00:17:15,035 --> 00:17:17,638 so that we can all look at the screen together? 517 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:19,373 Okay, first of all, we just said, 518 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:21,341 "Okay, let's just look up Gary." 519 00:17:21,408 --> 00:17:22,776 - Mm-hmm. - "Even though we think 520 00:17:22,843 --> 00:17:24,878 "his name is Justin, what's this name Gary"-- 521 00:17:24,945 --> 00:17:26,713 - Natsu. - Right. 522 00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:28,582 - It isn't the other name. - So you knew that? 523 00:17:28,649 --> 00:17:30,150 - No, no, no, no, no. - Oh! 524 00:17:30,217 --> 00:17:31,552 - I'm look at your internet-- - Oh, you're looking at it. 525 00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:32,719 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Okay, so Natsu 526 00:17:32,786 --> 00:17:34,521 is a character. So he's using 527 00:17:34,588 --> 00:17:36,723 an anime character as his last name. 528 00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:38,192 - Okay. - Now here's 529 00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:39,960 something interesting-- when you Google Gary Natsu, 530 00:17:40,027 --> 00:17:41,595 there's a Facebook page. 531 00:17:41,662 --> 00:17:43,497 - Oh, that's Justin! - Right. 532 00:17:43,564 --> 00:17:45,532 So there's a page. 533 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:46,867 - He told me he didn't use Facebook. 534 00:17:46,934 --> 00:17:48,836 I didn't even realize you were on Facebook. 535 00:17:48,902 --> 00:17:51,872 - But here's where we really started picking up steam. 536 00:17:51,939 --> 00:17:53,173 - Mm-hmm. - When we clicked 537 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,675 on the About section, 538 00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:56,543 he's got a Linktree. 539 00:17:56,610 --> 00:17:57,845 Now here's something interesting-- 540 00:17:57,911 --> 00:17:59,913 - Mm-hmm? - I just noticed this-- 541 00:17:59,980 --> 00:18:01,448 this is his Instagram page. - Mm-hmm. 542 00:18:01,515 --> 00:18:02,549 - The one you've been looking at. 543 00:18:02,616 --> 00:18:04,685 - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - What do you see 544 00:18:04,751 --> 00:18:07,154 when you look at this? 545 00:18:07,221 --> 00:18:08,722 - I mean, the anime? 546 00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:10,224 - Okay, the first thing you see is anime, 547 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:12,926 but look harder. 548 00:18:14,828 --> 00:18:16,663 'Cause this is, I think, part of the problem. 549 00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:18,131 - That I don't see things. 550 00:18:18,198 --> 00:18:19,766 - You don't see things, 551 00:18:19,833 --> 00:18:21,201 or you don't look for things. - And they're right in my face. 552 00:18:21,268 --> 00:18:23,470 - Or you're easily distracted by the wrong things. 553 00:18:23,537 --> 00:18:24,905 You know what I see? 554 00:18:24,972 --> 00:18:26,573 His bio. 555 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,577 Right here--he's a Pokémon fanfiction writer. 556 00:18:30,644 --> 00:18:32,412 - Mm-hmm. - So he's a writer. 557 00:18:32,479 --> 00:18:34,681 - Mm-hmm. - "Read my stories here." 558 00:18:34,748 --> 00:18:35,949 - Oh, I've never even read his stories. 559 00:18:36,016 --> 00:18:38,118 - And then a link! Here's his Linktree, 560 00:18:38,185 --> 00:18:40,621 which has links to six different accounts 561 00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:42,122 on different websites, 562 00:18:42,189 --> 00:18:45,626 one of which is a place where people post fanfiction, 563 00:18:45,692 --> 00:18:48,295 and it has a bio-- "Hey, my name is Gary, 564 00:18:48,362 --> 00:18:49,563 Pokémon fan"-- - See, he's saying 565 00:18:49,630 --> 00:18:50,898 his name is Gary! - Right-- 566 00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:53,700 talks about writing fanfiction for Pokémon. 567 00:18:53,767 --> 00:18:55,802 This is something he's been doing a long time. 568 00:18:55,869 --> 00:18:58,539 - Right, and it's something I should have... 569 00:18:58,605 --> 00:19:00,774 talked to him about. - Something--but the fact 570 00:19:00,841 --> 00:19:02,843 that he hasn't mentioned... - Never. 571 00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:04,745 - That he has a major passion... 572 00:19:04,811 --> 00:19:07,414 - Mm-hmm. - For fanfiction and writing 573 00:19:07,481 --> 00:19:09,049 and reading, like--weird! 574 00:19:09,116 --> 00:19:11,084 - Never has he talked about any of this. 575 00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:13,487 - So basically, at this point, we started to think, 576 00:19:13,554 --> 00:19:16,056 like, "Okay, it looks like this guy 577 00:19:16,123 --> 00:19:18,759 is mostly what you think he is," 578 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:21,428 but we then went back to the Facebook page 579 00:19:21,495 --> 00:19:23,363 that we found and thought, "Okay, 580 00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:25,866 "let's take a deep dive. Let's go through the posts. 581 00:19:25,933 --> 00:19:28,135 "Let's see if we can find anything 582 00:19:28,202 --> 00:19:29,403 that can tell us more." 583 00:19:29,469 --> 00:19:33,106 - Mm, and did you? - Yeah, we found this. 584 00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:36,743 Here he is with what looks like a wedding ring. 585 00:19:38,812 --> 00:19:39,980 And in this post, 586 00:19:40,047 --> 00:19:44,218 he calls that woman his wife. 587 00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:46,420 - He has a wife? 588 00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:52,092 ♪♪ ♪♪ 589 00:19:52,159 --> 00:19:53,627 That makes me upset. 590 00:19:53,694 --> 00:19:58,031 - ♪♪ Sometimes love feels like a heart attack ♪♪ 591 00:19:58,098 --> 00:19:59,433 [vocalizes] 592 00:19:59,499 --> 00:20:00,901 I'm, like, really confused. 593 00:20:00,968 --> 00:20:02,903 - ♪♪ It breaks you down ♪♪ 594 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:05,472 ♪♪ Just to bring you back ♪♪ 595 00:20:05,539 --> 00:20:07,508 - This is, like, deep-- you're married. 596 00:20:09,276 --> 00:20:11,411 Now this is, like, turning into more secretive-- 597 00:20:11,478 --> 00:20:12,513 it's like he knows a lot about me, 598 00:20:12,579 --> 00:20:14,047 but I know nothing about him. 599 00:20:14,114 --> 00:20:18,952 - ♪♪ Sometimes love feels like a heart attack ♪♪ 600 00:20:19,019 --> 00:20:20,787 - But I do wanna point out 601 00:20:20,854 --> 00:20:25,325 his picture is from 2019. 602 00:20:25,392 --> 00:20:28,328 So it's possible they're divorced. 603 00:20:28,395 --> 00:20:30,030 - Possibly. 604 00:20:30,097 --> 00:20:32,699 - Why wouldn't he have mentioned being married? 605 00:20:32,766 --> 00:20:35,869 - And with my ex, he's not on any of my social media. 606 00:20:35,936 --> 00:20:37,538 I erased him. - Right. 607 00:20:37,604 --> 00:20:39,173 - The fact that all this is still up-- 608 00:20:39,239 --> 00:20:40,474 maybe he's still married. 609 00:20:40,541 --> 00:20:42,109 I'm, like, really confused, 610 00:20:42,176 --> 00:20:44,111 and I feel a little scared, 'cause, like, I feel scared, 611 00:20:44,178 --> 00:20:45,779 'cause, like, this guy knows so much more about me 612 00:20:45,846 --> 00:20:47,347 than I know about him. 613 00:20:47,414 --> 00:20:51,952 - ♪♪ Sometimes love feels like a heart attack ♪♪ 614 00:20:58,225 --> 00:21:00,527 - Well, I think now we're at this moment where, 615 00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:02,162 in a way, I feel more confident 616 00:21:02,229 --> 00:21:03,463 that there is, in fact, a guy named Justin 617 00:21:03,530 --> 00:21:04,631 who lives in New York City-- - Right. 618 00:21:04,698 --> 00:21:06,133 - That looks like the guy in the pictures, 619 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,035 but there is still this big question mark-- 620 00:21:08,101 --> 00:21:09,837 is he married? 621 00:21:09,903 --> 00:21:11,271 - Mm-hmm. - There's no mention 622 00:21:11,338 --> 00:21:13,507 or evidence of his wife since 2019. 623 00:21:13,574 --> 00:21:17,010 So it's possible they're divorced. 624 00:21:17,077 --> 00:21:18,178 But it doesn't look like 625 00:21:18,245 --> 00:21:20,113 there's much more we can find out-- 626 00:21:20,180 --> 00:21:21,682 - Without, like, talking to him. 627 00:21:21,748 --> 00:21:23,450 You think I should just confront him? 628 00:21:23,517 --> 00:21:25,853 - Well, I don't know if I want to use the word "confront"-- 629 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:27,054 at least not about the wife-- 630 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,288 yet. - Mm-hmm. 631 00:21:28,355 --> 00:21:30,791 - But I think you should call Justin. 632 00:21:30,858 --> 00:21:32,459 - Do you think we should call? - Yeah. 633 00:21:32,526 --> 00:21:34,494 Let's see if he answers. - I know. 634 00:21:34,561 --> 00:21:35,963 [phone line trilling] 635 00:21:36,029 --> 00:21:37,431 - Your call has been forwarded 636 00:21:37,497 --> 00:21:40,467 to an automated voice messaging system. 637 00:21:40,534 --> 00:21:42,536 646... 638 00:21:42,603 --> 00:21:44,371 - Yeah, it wasn't the name. - Right. 639 00:21:44,438 --> 00:21:46,139 What is the best way to-- [phone dings] 640 00:21:46,206 --> 00:21:47,374 Was that-- oh, that's the number. 641 00:21:47,441 --> 00:21:49,376 That's the number we called. - It is. 642 00:21:49,443 --> 00:21:50,944 - "Hey, I just missed a call from you. 643 00:21:51,011 --> 00:21:52,980 I'm at dinner with a friend." 644 00:21:53,046 --> 00:21:54,948 - Mm. - Okay, I think you say, 645 00:21:55,015 --> 00:21:56,450 "Fine, but I did want to talk to you 646 00:21:56,517 --> 00:21:58,552 about finally meeting up face-to-face." 647 00:21:58,619 --> 00:21:59,786 - I feel comfortable saying that. 648 00:21:59,853 --> 00:22:01,121 - Right. - That sounds-- 649 00:22:01,188 --> 00:22:02,656 - So you could say your version of that. 650 00:22:02,723 --> 00:22:06,360 So, "You mean a lot to me, and I would really like to see 651 00:22:06,426 --> 00:22:08,729 "where this is going. I'm off tomorrow. 652 00:22:08,795 --> 00:22:10,531 Why don't we finally get together?" 653 00:22:10,597 --> 00:22:11,932 - Mm-hmm. - Nice. 654 00:22:11,999 --> 00:22:13,433 Let's see what they say. 655 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:14,601 [phone dings] - There he is. 656 00:22:14,668 --> 00:22:16,203 - Whoa, whoa! He said, "Next week 657 00:22:16,270 --> 00:22:17,738 would be better. Are you free then?" 658 00:22:17,804 --> 00:22:19,506 - He always does this. - Right, this is the thing. 659 00:22:19,573 --> 00:22:21,375 So-- - Maybe now is a good time 660 00:22:21,441 --> 00:22:23,076 for the ultimatum. - Yeah, say, 661 00:22:23,143 --> 00:22:25,112 "Cut the crap, Justin." 662 00:22:25,179 --> 00:22:27,147 That's what I would say. 663 00:22:27,214 --> 00:22:28,615 What--can you read it to us? 664 00:22:28,682 --> 00:22:30,551 - "Look, I don't want any more excuses. 665 00:22:30,617 --> 00:22:32,419 "I'm tired of waiting. I emailed 'Catfish' 666 00:22:32,486 --> 00:22:34,288 for assistance, and they are here with me." 667 00:22:34,354 --> 00:22:36,657 - Wow. - Now I think I scared him. 668 00:22:36,723 --> 00:22:38,492 I'm usually a very positive, nice person. 669 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,427 [phone dings] - Oh, he wrote back. 670 00:22:40,494 --> 00:22:42,362 "Um, wow, I'm really confused. 671 00:22:42,429 --> 00:22:44,631 "You called 'Catfish,' like, because of me? 672 00:22:44,698 --> 00:22:46,600 "I honestly do think you're great too. 673 00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:48,602 "I'm just a little caught off guard 674 00:22:48,669 --> 00:22:51,471 "and not fully sure what to think nor am comfortable 675 00:22:51,538 --> 00:22:53,841 with all this. I need time to think it over." 676 00:22:53,907 --> 00:22:56,743 So say, "Okay, right, I totally get. 677 00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:59,513 I look forward to hearing from you soon." 678 00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:02,049 - Mm-hmm. - Okay, wow. 679 00:23:02,115 --> 00:23:05,118 Well, whether he comes to town here or we go there, 680 00:23:05,185 --> 00:23:06,420 it's now or never. 681 00:23:06,486 --> 00:23:09,857 So get some rest, and we'll see what happens. 682 00:23:09,923 --> 00:23:11,058 All right. 683 00:23:11,124 --> 00:23:13,126 - Thanks for stopping by. 684 00:23:13,193 --> 00:23:14,895 - Bye, Angela. 685 00:23:14,962 --> 00:23:17,965 It's cats and dogs over here in New Jersey. 686 00:23:18,031 --> 00:23:21,268 - It does seem like there are two versions of Justin. 687 00:23:21,335 --> 00:23:24,204 - Yes, you've got really nice, shy guy, 688 00:23:24,271 --> 00:23:26,340 who has just been shell-shocked, 689 00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,575 or really mischievous guy, 690 00:23:28,642 --> 00:23:31,044 who's finally getting called out on his BS. 691 00:23:31,111 --> 00:23:34,014 Either way, Angela's love life is on the line. 692 00:23:34,081 --> 00:23:36,717 [dramatic music] 693 00:23:38,151 --> 00:23:39,987 - I brought a little breakfast. 694 00:23:40,053 --> 00:23:41,255 Hello? 695 00:23:41,321 --> 00:23:43,156 - Hello, come in. 696 00:23:43,223 --> 00:23:45,492 Wow. - [chuckles] 697 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:47,060 - Is this a treat for us both? 698 00:23:47,127 --> 00:23:49,296 - It's for you, but I'm gonna eat most of it. 699 00:23:49,363 --> 00:23:50,664 - Two different kinds of pastries. 700 00:23:50,731 --> 00:23:52,165 You need options, yeah. - I like options. 701 00:23:52,232 --> 00:23:54,001 How you doin'? - I am doing great. 702 00:23:54,067 --> 00:23:57,304 - We have nothing new, but perhaps Angela does. 703 00:23:57,371 --> 00:23:58,505 [phone line trills] 704 00:23:59,573 --> 00:24:00,941 - Angela. - Good morning! 705 00:24:01,008 --> 00:24:01,975 - Hey, good morning. 706 00:24:02,042 --> 00:24:03,443 - Have you heard anything? 707 00:24:06,046 --> 00:24:09,082 - Well, now that he knows we're working together, 708 00:24:09,149 --> 00:24:10,884 maybe I reach out this morning 709 00:24:10,951 --> 00:24:12,920 just to see if perhaps I can get a response. 710 00:24:15,522 --> 00:24:16,957 - Okay, great. 711 00:24:17,024 --> 00:24:18,192 As soon as I have some info, 712 00:24:18,258 --> 00:24:20,194 I will let you know. 713 00:24:20,260 --> 00:24:21,995 All right. 714 00:24:22,062 --> 00:24:23,564 Okay, so Justin-- 715 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:25,599 "Good morning, Justin. 716 00:24:25,666 --> 00:24:29,469 "This is Nev from Catfish. 717 00:24:29,536 --> 00:24:30,971 "I promise you have nothing to worry about. 718 00:24:31,038 --> 00:24:33,006 "As you know, Angela is 719 00:24:33,073 --> 00:24:37,010 "a very open-minded person. 720 00:24:37,077 --> 00:24:39,279 "I know you said you were nervous, 721 00:24:39,346 --> 00:24:40,781 "but we would love to help you guys 722 00:24:40,848 --> 00:24:42,749 "finally meet in real life. 723 00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:46,787 Is there any way for us to meet you?" 724 00:24:46,854 --> 00:24:48,889 - The prayer here is that he's gonna come out here. 725 00:24:48,956 --> 00:24:50,190 - We could drive up to the city. 726 00:24:50,257 --> 00:24:51,658 He could drive there. 727 00:24:51,725 --> 00:24:52,893 We could meet in the middle. [phone dings] 728 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,261 - Oh, my God! - Catfish, oh, my gosh. 729 00:24:54,328 --> 00:24:55,562 - He wrote back. 730 00:24:55,629 --> 00:24:57,397 "I'm definitely pretty nervous, 731 00:24:57,464 --> 00:24:58,765 "but I am willing to do this. 732 00:24:58,832 --> 00:25:00,901 Do you have a place I can meet at?" 733 00:25:00,968 --> 00:25:02,169 - Wow! 734 00:25:02,236 --> 00:25:03,871 I did not see this coming. 735 00:25:03,937 --> 00:25:09,142 - I'm gonna say, "Fantastic. I promise you won't regret it. 736 00:25:09,209 --> 00:25:11,512 "We have a nice park 737 00:25:11,578 --> 00:25:14,982 we can meet at." 738 00:25:15,048 --> 00:25:16,650 - I can't believe this is actually gonna happen. 739 00:25:16,717 --> 00:25:18,685 - Well... - You still have doubts? 740 00:25:18,752 --> 00:25:20,354 - I mean, people have done this before. 741 00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:23,223 They seemed positive, and then... 742 00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:24,525 - Not shown. - Right. 743 00:25:24,591 --> 00:25:26,627 - Right, which he's done before to Angela. 744 00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:29,196 - Yeah, right, which usually suggests 745 00:25:29,263 --> 00:25:30,564 that they're hiding something. [message whoops] 746 00:25:30,631 --> 00:25:31,932 - Oh. - Wow. 747 00:25:31,999 --> 00:25:34,535 - "Okay, I'll do my best to be there in an hour." 748 00:25:34,601 --> 00:25:38,205 I'll say, "Okay, great. See you soon." 749 00:25:38,272 --> 00:25:42,109 All right, let's call Angela. 750 00:25:42,176 --> 00:25:43,343 - Hi, Angela. 751 00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:45,245 - I was just texting with Justin. 752 00:25:45,312 --> 00:25:48,248 He agreed to meet up with us. 753 00:25:48,315 --> 00:25:50,484 - He said he'll come down here, 754 00:25:50,551 --> 00:25:52,319 which means we'll come to scoop you, 755 00:25:52,386 --> 00:25:53,887 and then we'll head over there. 756 00:25:53,954 --> 00:25:55,956 - Okay, see you soon. - Bye. 757 00:25:56,023 --> 00:25:58,358 - Probably a strange mix of hoping he comes 758 00:25:58,425 --> 00:26:00,194 and he hoping he does not come. 759 00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:01,328 - That's your feeling? 760 00:26:01,395 --> 00:26:02,763 - No, for Angela. 761 00:26:02,829 --> 00:26:04,898 I think some people get so attached to the story, 762 00:26:04,965 --> 00:26:07,568 and now you have to break up with potentially the person 763 00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:09,236 and the story that you told yourself. 764 00:26:09,303 --> 00:26:10,604 That's hard to do, - Right. 765 00:26:12,406 --> 00:26:14,174 - All right... 766 00:26:15,108 --> 00:26:18,178 - Wanna do the honors? - I'd love to do the honors. 767 00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:22,449 - Whoo! - Oh, wow, you are ready! 768 00:26:22,516 --> 00:26:23,717 - Oh, my goodness! - I'm ready. 769 00:26:23,784 --> 00:26:25,252 - Look at this. - You--Angela, 770 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:26,386 we're going to a park. - I know. 771 00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:27,554 I wanna make a good first impression. 772 00:26:27,621 --> 00:26:29,189 - This is an amazing first impression. 773 00:26:29,256 --> 00:26:32,392 - Wow, this show's called "Catfish," not "catwalk," 774 00:26:32,459 --> 00:26:33,961 Angela. - [laughs] 775 00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:35,329 Thank you. 776 00:26:35,395 --> 00:26:37,364 - Oh, yeah! 777 00:26:37,431 --> 00:26:40,033 Whew, here we go. 778 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,069 - A little nervous, but I'm still excited. 779 00:26:42,135 --> 00:26:43,637 - So Angela, it seems like 780 00:26:43,704 --> 00:26:48,141 despite all of the possible deception and ambiguity, 781 00:26:48,208 --> 00:26:51,612 you feel like we could be driving to your destiny? 782 00:26:51,678 --> 00:26:53,247 - Yeah, definitely. 783 00:26:53,313 --> 00:26:54,648 - But he could be married. 784 00:26:54,715 --> 00:26:56,884 - But there's still a chance he might not be too. 785 00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:58,252 - Of course. - And there's still a chance 786 00:26:58,318 --> 00:26:59,319 that maybe it's not even him. 787 00:26:59,386 --> 00:27:02,155 ♪♪ ♪♪ 788 00:27:02,222 --> 00:27:03,423 I dunno. 789 00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:06,393 [suspenseful music] 790 00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:07,694 ♪♪ ♪♪ 791 00:27:07,761 --> 00:27:09,162 Oh, I've been here many times. 792 00:27:09,229 --> 00:27:12,533 - It seems very drop-a-dead-body-ish. 793 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:13,934 - Okay. 794 00:27:14,001 --> 00:27:15,903 Let's see. Let's let him know, maybe, 795 00:27:15,969 --> 00:27:17,104 that we're here. 796 00:27:17,171 --> 00:27:18,472 "Hey, Justin, 797 00:27:18,539 --> 00:27:21,808 we just arrived." [message whoops] 798 00:27:21,875 --> 00:27:23,177 Should we go look for him? - Sure thing. 799 00:27:23,243 --> 00:27:24,178 - All right. 800 00:27:24,244 --> 00:27:30,617 ♪♪ ♪♪ 801 00:27:30,684 --> 00:27:32,686 - I'm not feeling too good about this now. 802 00:27:32,753 --> 00:27:35,422 - Well, hold on. Maybe we got here first. 803 00:27:35,489 --> 00:27:36,456 - Right. 804 00:27:36,523 --> 00:27:39,293 ♪♪ ♪♪ 805 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,394 - Justin's not over here. 806 00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:43,230 Let's see--maybe by the lake. 807 00:27:43,297 --> 00:27:45,232 - I do see somebody sitting on a bench-- 808 00:27:45,299 --> 00:27:47,301 a single person all the way out there. 809 00:27:47,367 --> 00:27:49,403 I don't know. - Whoa, yeah, do you see that? 810 00:27:49,469 --> 00:27:50,437 - Yeah. 811 00:27:50,504 --> 00:27:53,106 ♪♪ ♪♪ 812 00:27:53,173 --> 00:27:54,107 - Is that him? 813 00:27:55,442 --> 00:27:57,211 No, I don't think so. 814 00:27:57,277 --> 00:27:59,313 Let's go back. I assume if we're gonna meet, 815 00:27:59,379 --> 00:28:00,647 it's probably gonna be 816 00:28:00,714 --> 00:28:01,782 kind of right by the parking lot, 817 00:28:01,849 --> 00:28:04,384 so maybe we got here before him. 818 00:28:04,451 --> 00:28:07,855 ♪♪ ♪♪ 819 00:28:07,921 --> 00:28:09,389 If he pulls into the parking lot, 820 00:28:09,456 --> 00:28:10,824 we can't miss him. 821 00:28:12,526 --> 00:28:13,660 All right... 822 00:28:16,129 --> 00:28:18,031 Wanna let him know? - Tell him what time? 823 00:28:18,098 --> 00:28:20,267 - Well, I just told him we were here, so... 824 00:28:20,334 --> 00:28:22,503 - I like, "Did you find your way here?" 825 00:28:22,569 --> 00:28:23,470 - Yeah, that's good. 826 00:28:23,537 --> 00:28:26,673 ♪♪ ♪♪ 827 00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:28,609 [message whoops] Was that me or you? 828 00:28:29,943 --> 00:28:31,512 - Mm... - Is that him? 829 00:28:31,578 --> 00:28:33,080 - Did he say something? 830 00:28:33,146 --> 00:28:34,748 - I think he's here. 831 00:28:34,815 --> 00:28:36,016 - Yeah, wait a second. 832 00:28:55,135 --> 00:28:56,403 - I think he's here. 833 00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:57,738 - Yeah, wait a second. 834 00:29:12,486 --> 00:29:14,388 - Seems like it was taken right now. 835 00:29:18,225 --> 00:29:19,526 Right? - Let's go check and see 836 00:29:19,593 --> 00:29:20,661 if that-- - I know, right? 837 00:29:20,727 --> 00:29:24,731 That seems crazy that he would be here... 838 00:29:24,798 --> 00:29:26,400 - This close. 839 00:29:26,466 --> 00:29:29,336 [suspenseful music] 840 00:29:29,403 --> 00:29:31,171 ♪♪ ♪♪ 841 00:29:31,238 --> 00:29:32,673 I guess he just didn't wanna come. 842 00:29:32,739 --> 00:29:35,175 - Or he didn't wanna show his face. 843 00:29:35,242 --> 00:29:37,144 Maybe he's not who you think. 844 00:29:37,211 --> 00:29:39,580 - I just thought we had a better connection. 845 00:29:39,646 --> 00:29:41,548 - I think, at this point, it's about you. 846 00:29:41,615 --> 00:29:43,817 - Right. - And you've given a lot, 847 00:29:43,884 --> 00:29:44,985 you've invested a lot, 848 00:29:45,052 --> 00:29:46,486 you've been hurt a lot, 849 00:29:46,553 --> 00:29:48,288 and this is something that's really important to you, 850 00:29:48,355 --> 00:29:50,824 and you'd ask him to reconsider. 851 00:29:50,891 --> 00:29:53,393 - "I'm still here if you change your mind. 852 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:55,495 "This is about me and what I need. 853 00:29:55,562 --> 00:29:57,097 "As someone who cared about me, 854 00:29:57,164 --> 00:29:58,465 "I know this matters to you. 855 00:29:58,532 --> 00:30:00,000 I'll be here, like, 20 more minutes." 856 00:30:00,067 --> 00:30:03,470 - All right, so let's hope that he shows up. 857 00:30:03,537 --> 00:30:04,304 - Kay. 858 00:30:04,371 --> 00:30:07,307 [dramatic music] 859 00:30:07,374 --> 00:30:08,475 ♪♪ ♪♪ 860 00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:12,880 [suspenseful music] 861 00:30:12,946 --> 00:30:14,915 I--I don't think he's gonna come. 862 00:30:14,982 --> 00:30:17,484 - There's still cars coming in. 863 00:30:17,551 --> 00:30:18,619 - I think you come this far 864 00:30:18,685 --> 00:30:21,054 because you want to share your truth. 865 00:30:21,121 --> 00:30:24,091 He just needed the nudge. So I think he'll come back. 866 00:30:24,157 --> 00:30:26,493 - I just find it strange that he came all the way out here 867 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,728 from New York and then chickened out 868 00:30:27,794 --> 00:30:29,630 at the very last second. 869 00:30:29,696 --> 00:30:32,799 - I wish he got a chance to hear how genuine you are. 870 00:30:32,866 --> 00:30:37,271 ♪♪ ♪♪ 871 00:30:37,337 --> 00:30:39,740 - This car is sort of sitting there. 872 00:30:41,375 --> 00:30:43,110 Check it out 873 00:30:43,177 --> 00:30:45,779 before he pulls away, you know? 874 00:30:45,846 --> 00:30:52,753 ♪♪ ♪♪ 875 00:30:52,819 --> 00:30:53,754 Hey. 876 00:30:54,755 --> 00:30:55,956 - What's up? 877 00:30:56,023 --> 00:30:58,192 Are you Justin? 878 00:30:59,393 --> 00:31:01,128 - Thanks for coming back. 879 00:31:01,195 --> 00:31:02,329 A little nervous? 880 00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:06,500 All right. - So he came back. 881 00:31:06,567 --> 00:31:08,669 I'm interested to know if that's the guy in the pictures. 882 00:31:08,735 --> 00:31:11,071 - I'm interested in a lot. - Yeah... 883 00:31:11,138 --> 00:31:13,273 - Angela's eager to meet you. 884 00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:15,742 She's obviously curious 885 00:31:15,809 --> 00:31:19,379 and I think, now, a bit concerned. 886 00:31:19,446 --> 00:31:21,915 - I guess it may be that the difference 887 00:31:21,982 --> 00:31:25,619 is the strong independentness of her and, you know, 888 00:31:25,686 --> 00:31:27,988 with her TikTok and her online persona-- 889 00:31:28,055 --> 00:31:30,457 online is a lot more, you know, different, 890 00:31:30,524 --> 00:31:32,059 and most of my stuff is just-- - Right. 891 00:31:32,125 --> 00:31:33,927 - It doesn't feature myself. - Sure, I mean, 892 00:31:33,994 --> 00:31:37,364 don't get me wrong-- Angela's also struggled, 893 00:31:37,431 --> 00:31:39,967 I think, with insecurity and self-doubt. 894 00:31:40,033 --> 00:31:42,369 So I think you guys actually have a lot more in common 895 00:31:42,436 --> 00:31:43,837 than you realize. 896 00:31:43,904 --> 00:31:44,805 - How's your heart? 897 00:31:46,139 --> 00:31:47,241 [chuckles] 898 00:31:47,307 --> 00:31:49,743 - It's fluttering. 899 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:53,480 I got butterflies. Heartbeat's out there. 900 00:31:53,547 --> 00:31:55,516 - I just feel so out of place, 901 00:31:55,582 --> 00:32:00,287 and it's nerve-racking. It's crippling. 902 00:32:00,354 --> 00:32:03,156 My anxiety is just... 903 00:32:03,223 --> 00:32:04,858 - Sure. I mean, I can't obviously 904 00:32:04,925 --> 00:32:06,293 change the way you feel, but I think you should 905 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,396 come over there with me and just see how it feels, 906 00:32:09,463 --> 00:32:10,964 and if you leave now, 907 00:32:11,031 --> 00:32:12,232 you'll always regret it. 908 00:32:12,299 --> 00:32:13,300 You'll always feel bad about it, 909 00:32:13,367 --> 00:32:14,501 and you'll carry it forever. 910 00:32:14,568 --> 00:32:16,303 So the only way out 911 00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:17,704 is in. 912 00:32:17,771 --> 00:32:21,575 - It's really embarrassing, but I can't do it. 913 00:32:21,642 --> 00:32:23,310 - Well, at the very least, Nev will come back 914 00:32:23,377 --> 00:32:25,546 with some answers for you. - Mm-hmm. 915 00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:29,149 I just can't imagine, like, it being this long 916 00:32:29,216 --> 00:32:30,751 to make a decision. - Yeah. 917 00:32:30,817 --> 00:32:32,152 - I mean, what could he be talking about 918 00:32:32,219 --> 00:32:34,254 that he can't tell me? 919 00:32:34,321 --> 00:32:36,023 - Let's just start small. 920 00:32:36,089 --> 00:32:37,558 Let me just open the door. 921 00:32:37,624 --> 00:32:39,092 You don't have to get out. - I don't wanna open the door. 922 00:32:39,159 --> 00:32:40,594 I'm pretty much a coward. 923 00:32:40,661 --> 00:32:44,531 I--I think I'm better off running off. 924 00:32:44,598 --> 00:32:46,767 - For better or for worse, 925 00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:48,435 you and only you 926 00:32:48,502 --> 00:32:50,304 got yourself this far. 927 00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:52,940 Clearly, it was something you wanted to do. 928 00:32:53,006 --> 00:32:55,275 You just gotta make that little leap, 929 00:32:55,342 --> 00:32:56,844 which is, honestly, just open the door 930 00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:58,812 and take one step and it'll be all--and that's it. 931 00:32:58,879 --> 00:33:01,515 ♪♪ ♪♪ 932 00:33:01,582 --> 00:33:03,083 Just take a second. Think about it. 933 00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:04,718 - Okay. 934 00:33:04,785 --> 00:33:06,320 - The car hasn't pulled away. 935 00:33:06,386 --> 00:33:08,121 Window's up. - Window's up. 936 00:33:08,188 --> 00:33:11,191 ♪♪ ♪♪ 937 00:33:11,258 --> 00:33:12,559 - Oh, he's coming to us. 938 00:33:12,626 --> 00:33:15,662 [dramatic music] 939 00:33:15,729 --> 00:33:19,433 - This is possibly the most anxious, 940 00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:21,502 socially uncomfortable person 941 00:33:21,568 --> 00:33:23,403 I've ever encountered on the show. 942 00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:26,006 - That says a lot. - Yeah, yeah. 943 00:33:26,073 --> 00:33:27,708 He's got cold feet, weak in the knees. 944 00:33:27,774 --> 00:33:30,010 He's just not giving himself a chance 945 00:33:30,077 --> 00:33:31,678 and just assuming the worst. 946 00:33:31,745 --> 00:33:35,015 - Well, is he the pictures? 947 00:33:35,082 --> 00:33:36,016 - I couldn't really see him. 948 00:33:37,918 --> 00:33:40,621 - No way. - Yeah, here he comes. 949 00:33:46,793 --> 00:33:47,861 - He's got cold feet, weak in the knees. 950 00:33:47,928 --> 00:33:49,696 He's just not giving himself a chance 951 00:33:49,763 --> 00:33:51,565 and just assuming the worst. 952 00:33:51,632 --> 00:33:54,635 - Well, is he the pictures? 953 00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:55,903 - I couldn't really see him. 954 00:33:57,771 --> 00:34:00,107 - No way. - Yeah, here he comes. 955 00:34:00,174 --> 00:34:03,377 [dramatic music] 956 00:34:03,443 --> 00:34:04,378 - It's him. 957 00:34:07,214 --> 00:34:09,116 - [giggles] - All right, hey, man. 958 00:34:09,183 --> 00:34:10,450 - Hey. - Hello. 959 00:34:10,517 --> 00:34:12,219 - Hi, Justin. - Glad you decided to join us. 960 00:34:12,286 --> 00:34:15,322 I wanna just introduce myself formally. 961 00:34:15,389 --> 00:34:17,457 Pleasure--Nev. Just Justin? 962 00:34:17,524 --> 00:34:18,592 - Yes. - Gary's just, like, 963 00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:20,360 your fanfiction name? 964 00:34:20,427 --> 00:34:22,029 Just clearing that up. - [chuckles] 965 00:34:22,095 --> 00:34:23,564 - Justin, Shan. - Hi. 966 00:34:23,630 --> 00:34:24,998 - Hello. - Of course, Angela, you know. 967 00:34:25,065 --> 00:34:27,434 - Hello. - Hi. 968 00:34:27,501 --> 00:34:29,803 Hi, nice to meet you. - Can I give you a hug? 969 00:34:29,870 --> 00:34:31,839 - Sure. - Nice to meet you. 970 00:34:31,905 --> 00:34:34,374 - Uh, 971 00:34:34,441 --> 00:34:37,845 as Nev has probably already explained, 972 00:34:37,911 --> 00:34:39,713 I'm cripply nervous about everything. 973 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:41,481 Uh, uh... 974 00:34:41,548 --> 00:34:42,816 - I appreciate you telling me that though. 975 00:34:42,883 --> 00:34:45,285 - Right, and I did think it would only be proper 976 00:34:45,352 --> 00:34:47,354 to at least come out and actually greet you 977 00:34:47,421 --> 00:34:50,190 and everything. Um, I haven't really, 978 00:34:50,257 --> 00:34:53,360 I mean, not sure everything that's been discovered, 979 00:34:53,427 --> 00:34:56,930 but, um, going through ending a previous relationship 980 00:34:56,997 --> 00:34:59,533 has, you know, 981 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,535 put me in a certain spot, 982 00:35:01,602 --> 00:35:02,970 where I just-- 983 00:35:03,036 --> 00:35:06,440 figuring out my next step in life. 984 00:35:06,507 --> 00:35:08,175 - Justin, can just I ask you a couple of questions 985 00:35:08,242 --> 00:35:10,043 just to clear some things up? - Sure. 986 00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:12,279 - You said your "previous relationship." 987 00:35:12,346 --> 00:35:14,214 Are you talking about your marriage? 988 00:35:14,281 --> 00:35:15,582 You were married, right? 989 00:35:15,649 --> 00:35:18,018 - Yeah. - Okay, and that's over now? 990 00:35:18,085 --> 00:35:20,020 You're fully broken up? - Yeah. 991 00:35:20,087 --> 00:35:22,055 - Similar to you, Angela just came out 992 00:35:22,122 --> 00:35:24,458 of a very long-term relationship 993 00:35:24,525 --> 00:35:26,894 that was heartbreaking. You're really the first person 994 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,195 that she's engaged with 995 00:35:28,262 --> 00:35:30,030 since this big devastation in her life, 996 00:35:30,097 --> 00:35:31,765 and I think--would be curious 997 00:35:31,832 --> 00:35:34,902 to know, from what your perspective is, how you felt. 998 00:35:34,968 --> 00:35:37,037 - You know, I try not to expect too much out of people 999 00:35:37,104 --> 00:35:39,173 to avoid being hurt. 1000 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,742 Um, so I'm kind of 1001 00:35:41,808 --> 00:35:43,277 in just this middle ground 1002 00:35:43,343 --> 00:35:47,381 of just--I find someone to talk to, we talk, 1003 00:35:47,447 --> 00:35:49,349 and 1004 00:35:49,416 --> 00:35:55,923 it just be something where I'm just not looking for anything 1005 00:35:55,989 --> 00:35:59,259 or expecting anything. 1006 00:35:59,326 --> 00:36:01,795 - From what Angela remembers, initially, after you had 1007 00:36:01,862 --> 00:36:03,997 commented on her-- one of her TikToks, 1008 00:36:04,064 --> 00:36:05,766 you had said, "Oh, we should meet up." 1009 00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:07,701 At that moment, when you asked her, 1010 00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:08,902 like, 1011 00:36:08,969 --> 00:36:10,571 were you serious about meeting up, or... 1012 00:36:10,637 --> 00:36:12,573 - Yeah, I was. - You were? 1013 00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,509 - But I mean, 1014 00:36:15,576 --> 00:36:17,578 you don't really expect anything. 1015 00:36:17,644 --> 00:36:19,012 You kind of just--it doesn't really mean anything. 1016 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:20,781 - So you didn't necessarily think it would happen? 1017 00:36:20,848 --> 00:36:23,750 - Right. I didn't, um-- 1018 00:36:23,817 --> 00:36:25,819 it's nothing new. I've always been like this, 1019 00:36:25,886 --> 00:36:29,056 even with my close friends. I don't always go through 1020 00:36:29,122 --> 00:36:30,324 with, uh, decisions. - Right. 1021 00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:31,725 - Not that I lied about anything, 1022 00:36:31,792 --> 00:36:34,795 but I also, um... 1023 00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:36,129 - You sugarcoated it. 1024 00:36:36,196 --> 00:36:39,733 Like, you keep me coming back for conversation. 1025 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,135 - Yeah, I tried my best-- - I told them I was satisfied 1026 00:36:42,202 --> 00:36:43,670 with the conversations also. 1027 00:36:43,737 --> 00:36:46,340 It was relieving to get the good mornings, 1028 00:36:46,406 --> 00:36:47,908 the good evenings, "How are you doing?" 1029 00:36:47,975 --> 00:36:50,444 That's why I was so comfortable about the whole situation. 1030 00:36:50,511 --> 00:36:53,647 - And that's just genuinely, you know, 1031 00:36:53,714 --> 00:36:55,516 that is genuinely me, 1032 00:36:55,582 --> 00:36:59,019 but, uh, right now, I just don't know what I think. 1033 00:36:59,086 --> 00:37:01,154 I don't have any, um-- 1034 00:37:01,221 --> 00:37:06,059 I don't have any concrete idea of... 1035 00:37:06,126 --> 00:37:09,162 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1036 00:37:09,229 --> 00:37:11,665 Where I'm going. 1037 00:37:11,732 --> 00:37:14,301 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1038 00:37:14,368 --> 00:37:15,736 - But I do think there's a big difference. 1039 00:37:15,802 --> 00:37:17,437 When we're trying to not to hurt people, 1040 00:37:17,504 --> 00:37:20,541 we create loose boundaries for who we might be, 1041 00:37:20,607 --> 00:37:22,176 rather than setting clear boundaries 1042 00:37:22,242 --> 00:37:23,777 for who we know we are today. 1043 00:37:23,844 --> 00:37:26,613 So I think it could be really impactful and powerful for you 1044 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,816 to just set a clear boundary of, "Maybe I have to stop down, 1045 00:37:29,883 --> 00:37:31,185 "heal for myself. 1046 00:37:31,251 --> 00:37:32,519 "I'm not looking to date right now, 1047 00:37:32,586 --> 00:37:34,655 but I am happy to have met you." 1048 00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:36,123 - Yeah, um, 1049 00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:40,761 I definitely value our chatting and our friendship. 1050 00:37:40,827 --> 00:37:44,865 I don't see anything for the time being. 1051 00:37:44,932 --> 00:37:47,901 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1052 00:37:47,968 --> 00:37:51,271 That would be the most sincere I could be about it. 1053 00:37:51,338 --> 00:37:53,173 - I get that. I understand. 1054 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,175 - How about you? What are you feeling, 1055 00:37:55,242 --> 00:37:56,243 now that you guys have finally-- 1056 00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:57,945 - I can't see me be, you know, 1057 00:37:58,011 --> 00:37:58,912 not being friends with him. 1058 00:37:58,979 --> 00:38:00,347 I can't see me saying, 1059 00:38:00,414 --> 00:38:02,249 "I don't wanna speak to you ever again" right now. 1060 00:38:02,316 --> 00:38:04,151 I'm still open to being friends, 1061 00:38:04,218 --> 00:38:07,120 and I totally thank you for coming 1062 00:38:07,187 --> 00:38:09,022 and putting yourself out there. 1063 00:38:09,089 --> 00:38:12,359 Like I said, I learned a lot, and I do appreciate you coming 1064 00:38:12,426 --> 00:38:14,461 and explaining this to me in person. 1065 00:38:14,528 --> 00:38:16,029 I'm happy we met. - Me too. 1066 00:38:16,096 --> 00:38:17,598 - Okay. 1067 00:38:17,664 --> 00:38:19,700 - ♪♪ I found a reason ♪♪ 1068 00:38:19,766 --> 00:38:23,370 - Okay, so then, I think we're gonna head back. 1069 00:38:23,437 --> 00:38:26,106 Um, so we can move on 1070 00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:28,575 from all of this. 1071 00:38:28,642 --> 00:38:30,577 Sorry if I was a little pushy, 1072 00:38:30,644 --> 00:38:33,247 but I really felt like it was the right thing. 1073 00:38:33,313 --> 00:38:36,750 I'm glad you chose the way you did. 1074 00:38:36,817 --> 00:38:38,585 - Right. - Yeah. 1075 00:38:38,652 --> 00:38:40,988 Y'all got to kind of get through this together. 1076 00:38:41,054 --> 00:38:44,124 So--pleasure to meet you. - Pleasure to meet you as well. 1077 00:38:44,191 --> 00:38:47,728 - And I'm just happy that you guys are gonna stay in touch. 1078 00:38:47,794 --> 00:38:49,630 - Yes. - This was my first time 1079 00:38:49,696 --> 00:38:51,398 on the case. It was an honor. 1080 00:38:51,465 --> 00:38:52,799 I can't believe you're actually the real person. 1081 00:38:52,866 --> 00:38:55,235 - [chuckles] - So this is very, 1082 00:38:55,302 --> 00:38:56,570 very fascinating. 1083 00:38:56,637 --> 00:38:57,771 Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you as well. 1084 00:38:57,838 --> 00:38:59,373 - It was a pleasure. - Thanks again. 1085 00:38:59,439 --> 00:39:00,841 - No problem. 1086 00:39:00,908 --> 00:39:02,776 - ♪♪ In the end ♪♪ 1087 00:39:02,843 --> 00:39:04,244 - Drive safe. - Thank you. 1088 00:39:04,311 --> 00:39:06,113 - Take care. - See you. 1089 00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:09,116 - ♪♪ That's where I am ♪♪ 1090 00:39:09,183 --> 00:39:10,284 - So what do you think? 1091 00:39:13,587 --> 00:39:15,656 - Yeah, stay in touch-- I don't think pursuing 1092 00:39:15,722 --> 00:39:17,291 any kind of relationship-- - No. 1093 00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:19,660 - But, you know, hey, who knows? 1094 00:39:19,726 --> 00:39:22,496 - Well, this was an adventure. 1095 00:39:22,563 --> 00:39:24,698 - You guys taught me a lot about myself and, um, 1096 00:39:24,765 --> 00:39:26,800 what I need to do to move forward. 1097 00:39:26,867 --> 00:39:30,270 - ♪♪ It all works out in the end ♪♪ 1098 00:39:30,337 --> 00:39:32,072 - Thank you, guys, for showing me the finest 1099 00:39:32,139 --> 00:39:34,141 that New Jersey has to offer-- 1100 00:39:34,208 --> 00:39:36,043 Angela included. 1101 00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:37,044 - Thank you. 1102 00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:42,249 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1103 00:39:42,316 --> 00:39:44,685 [doorbell rings] - Angela, hey! 1104 00:39:44,751 --> 00:39:46,153 - What's up? How are you doing? 1105 00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:47,120 - Good. What's going on? 1106 00:39:47,187 --> 00:39:48,622 Give me an update. 1107 00:39:48,689 --> 00:39:51,024 - I tried to, like, stay back and forth with Justin, 1108 00:39:51,091 --> 00:39:52,993 but we never really got to talk too much. 1109 00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:55,696 - Well, are you happy that you got a chance to meet him 1110 00:39:55,762 --> 00:39:57,464 and kind of figure it all out? 1111 00:39:57,531 --> 00:40:00,567 - Um, yes. It gave me a taste of reality. 1112 00:40:00,634 --> 00:40:02,369 I think he's still a nice person. 1113 00:40:02,436 --> 00:40:03,804 It's just--I wish he would've been more honest. 1114 00:40:03,871 --> 00:40:05,939 - Yeah. - It wouldn't have led to me 1115 00:40:06,006 --> 00:40:09,276 being so disappointed, but love is gonna find its way to me. 1116 00:40:09,343 --> 00:40:10,511 I know that. - I'm sure it will. 1117 00:40:10,577 --> 00:40:12,613 It was really lovely 1118 00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:14,081 getting to meet you and spend time with you. 1119 00:40:14,147 --> 00:40:15,716 - Really nice talking to you and seeing you. 1120 00:40:15,782 --> 00:40:17,951 - Yeah, we'll talk soon. - All right, bye. 1121 00:40:18,018 --> 00:40:19,319 [camera chimes] 1122 00:40:19,386 --> 00:40:21,255 [doorbell rings] - Hey, Justin. 1123 00:40:21,321 --> 00:40:22,756 What's up, man? - Hey. 1124 00:40:22,823 --> 00:40:24,925 - How are you feeling? What about Angela? 1125 00:40:24,992 --> 00:40:27,160 Is that a friendship, 1126 00:40:27,227 --> 00:40:29,796 relationship that you're still keeping in your life? 1127 00:40:29,863 --> 00:40:31,598 - I mean, we've talked for a bit afterwards 1128 00:40:31,665 --> 00:40:33,500 and everything, and, uh, 1129 00:40:33,567 --> 00:40:35,502 but I don't think it was too receptive. 1130 00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:37,504 Some things need something to continue forward, 1131 00:40:37,571 --> 00:40:39,206 and if it doesn't have that, it-- 1132 00:40:39,273 --> 00:40:41,508 more--like, more of an effort... 1133 00:40:41,575 --> 00:40:44,444 - Um, I think a lot of people will probably relate 1134 00:40:44,511 --> 00:40:47,581 to your anxiety. - Mm-hmm. 1135 00:40:47,648 --> 00:40:49,016 - From this experience. I know that wasn't easy. 1136 00:40:49,082 --> 00:40:52,319 But I hope that it's more positive than negative. 1137 00:40:52,386 --> 00:40:54,454 Uh, I appreciate meeting you. 1138 00:40:54,521 --> 00:40:55,756 I think you did the right thing. 1139 00:40:55,822 --> 00:40:57,124 - Yeah, I agree. 1140 00:40:57,191 --> 00:40:58,425 - All right, man, well, good luck with everything 1141 00:40:58,492 --> 00:41:00,260 and, uh, hopefully, everything will work out. 1142 00:41:00,327 --> 00:41:01,595 - Hopefully so. Thank you. 1143 00:41:01,662 --> 00:41:03,063 I appreciate y'all. - All right, later, man. 1144 00:41:17,211 --> 00:41:20,314 [slow electronic music] 1145 00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:27,321 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1146 00:41:37,397 --> 00:41:44,304 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1147 00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:51,245 - I'm back... - Is she real? 1148 00:41:51,311 --> 00:41:52,746 We are glad to have you back, 1149 00:41:52,813 --> 00:41:54,781 because Sham has been talking to Phillip, 1150 00:41:54,848 --> 00:41:56,483 but she's not seeing the red flags. 1151 00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:57,885 - I'm already picturing our wedding. 1152 00:41:57,951 --> 00:42:00,287 I need to [bleep] know, like, what is this? 1153 00:42:00,354 --> 00:42:01,688 - This is it. - Whoa. 1154 00:42:01,755 --> 00:42:03,023 This is a one-of-a-kind home. 1155 00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:04,625 [doorbell rings] 1156 00:42:04,691 --> 00:42:05,659 - [gasps] Somebody's coming. 1157 00:42:05,726 --> 00:42:06,827 Somebody's coming. 1158 00:42:06,894 --> 00:42:07,861 - Hello?