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- ♪♪ MTV ♪♪
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- For her 20s and 30s,
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Angela was in a relationship,
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but that ended,
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gets into TikTok,
and right away,
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she gets a message
from a guy named Justin.
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- He always would say,
"You're a good mother,"
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"You're smart,"
"You're pretty."
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- You don't even know
how old he is?
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What's that?
- That is a wedding ring.
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- He's married!
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- I'm not feeling
too good about this now.
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- Hey, are you Justin?
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[dramatic musical sting]
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Kamie's not here this episode,
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but the good news is we have
an amazing replacement.
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We've got intimacy expert,
who also happens to be
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a super rad chick.
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She's ready to crack
this case with us,
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and her name is Shan Boodram.
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- Wassup!
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- Shan is truly
one of a kind--
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a renowned sexologist,
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her YouTube channel
has over 70 million views.
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- You were just open,
saying yes to pleasure--
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- Yes.
- But pleasure in all forms.
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- So with Kamie
gone this week,
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what better person to try
to help us find love online
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than Shan Boodram?
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- I'm also Kamie's friend.
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- Oh, and friend of Kamie?
- Yes, I'm a friend of Kamie.
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- Oh, so you're
a perfect surrogate?
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- I'm a perfect surrogate.
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- So what is sexology
and intimacy work?
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- So I always say
sexologist is to sex--
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- Right.
- What a nutritionist
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is to food.
So a chef cooks the food--
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- Yes.
- And prepares for you.
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So that would be a sex worker.
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So a sexologist studies sex
and studies the psychology
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and the biology
and the sociology of sex,
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and it maybe
provides insight to chefs
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to be able to cook better food.
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I actually hope
that it's a kinky case--
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kinky case, kinky case.
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- [chuckles]
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Well, let's see.
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All right, we got an email.
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"Hey, Nev and"...
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- Surrogate Kamie.
- Yes, exactly.
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- ♪♪ If I fall down,
then I get back up ♪♪
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- "I'm 41
and a working actress.
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"I live in Howell, New Jersey
with my three gorgeous kids.
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"2 years ago,
when I was turning 40,
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"I wanted to change
my whole life,
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so I decided to embrace
my fabulousness."
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- As you should.
- "I ended
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"a 20-year relationship,
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and found myself
confused by dating."
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- ♪♪ I'm not breaking ♪♪
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♪♪ He'll know I don't quit ♪♪
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- "I can barely tell
a Tinder from a tweet."
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- [laughs]
- "I started focusing
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on what I was
passionate about"--
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- Mm-hmm.
- "Kids, entertaining,
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"and my social media.
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"This past July,
I posted on TikTok
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"about going to NYC
to do some background work
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"and Justin,
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"a total stranger, commented.
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He asked if he could meet up
with me while I was there."
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- ♪♪ Move it, each step
is showing I can ♪♪
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♪♪ Do it, I'm working ♪♪
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- "I thought he was nuts,
because who does that?
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"But then I decided,
'What the hell?'
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"And said yes.
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"Unfortunately, we didn't
make that meetup happen.
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"But from then on,
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"Justin was in my DMs
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"and messaging me daily.
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"He's intelligent, warm,
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"and not used to a man
being so kind and attentive.
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"I thought
we'd meet pretty quickly,
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"but now it's more
than two months,
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and we haven't
had a single date."
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- Justin...
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- "When I try to meet him,
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"there's always an excuse.
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"I was delusional for
the 20 years I was with my ex,
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"and I don't wanna make
the same mistake twice.
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"It's taken a lot for me
to put myself out there again,
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"and the idea that he might be
lying to me is devastating.
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"But if he's not trustworthy,
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then it's time for us
to part ways."
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- ♪♪ No time for losing ♪♪
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- Can I just say--
what a pro move,
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if this is a catfish,
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to make
the first bit of contact,
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"I wanna meet you,"
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because that takes
the doubt away.
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- Oh, it really sort of
locks in the, like,
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"Oh, yeah, we should meet up."
- Yeah, like,
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"I'm a real person."
- He's very bold.
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- It's a very bold thing.
- Right.
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- Yeah.
- Shall we call Angela?
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- I'm very excited.
- Find out more?
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Okay.
[phone line trilling]
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- Hello, is this Angela?
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- Hello, Angela, this is Nev
from "Catfish."
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- I got your email,
and before we get into it--
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Kamie is not on this episode,
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but I have someone
so fantastic,
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who is helping me, named Shan.
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- Hello, Angela.
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- And now you're single,
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welcome to the wild,
[bleep] up world
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of internet dating.
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- It's a lot.
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- So you just recently started
your TikTok account,
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started posting videos,
and all of a sudden,
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this guy just hits you up?
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- Was he super fine in his
little-ass circle picture,
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and you're like,
"I'ma tap it"?
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- Huh.
Well, we are going
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to come to New Jersey,
and we are gonna help you.
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- All right,
we'll see you tomorrow, Angela.
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- Bye, Angela.
- Bye.
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- Wow.
- He's not getting a lot.
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- No, but she's been
getting so little, I think,
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for so long.
- That is true.
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- I mean, after 20 years
in a relationship,
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I'm sure you know,
if it's not going well--
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like, she hasn't had love
and affection in her life
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in so many years--
- Yeah.
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- Just to have some other
person reach out to her
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and shower her
with affection or attention,
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like,
probably means a lot to her.
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- I feel heavy but hopeful.
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- Great.
- Let's do it.
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Okay, the journey begins.
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- We're on our way
to New Jersey.
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- I don't know
what I'm signing up for.
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Hello to the unknown.
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- ♪♪ The world is ours ♪♪
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♪♪ The world is ours ♪♪
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- We made it.
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- When was the last time
you were in New Jersey?
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- I wanna say maybe never.
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- Well, you will never
forget New Jersey after this.
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- Yeah, I'm extremely
curious about this story.
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- Something's going on,
and we need to figure it out.
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There it is.
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- Oh, wow.
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[doorbell rings]
- Oh.
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Hey!
- Hi!
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- Wow.
- Hello.
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- Are you Angela?
- I am.
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- Angela, I'm gonna shove you
right now.
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- [chuckles]
- You're so hot.
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- Yeah, right?
- Let me get in here.
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- [laughs]
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- Wow, this place is gorgeous.
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- Thank you.
Make yourself at home.
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- Oh, thank you.
- Thanks for flying down.
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- Sure.
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So aside from the full-time job
of mothering,
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you're an actress?
- Yes.
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I just started that same time
I started my TikToks.
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That's why I kind of started.
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- Huh.
- So this was post-divorce.
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WE were completely separated
for at least two years,
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but we weren't really--
it was, like, hot and cold
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before that.
- Right.
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- Just staying together
for the kids.
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- So when you broke up,
is that when you were like,
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"I'm going to do all the things
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"that I couldn't do,
'cause I felt stifled
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in the relationship"?
- Yeah, and I think I had
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a low self-esteem,
so I was trying to build
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my confidence and self-esteem
back up.
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- So have you been
going on dates?
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- No.
- No?
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- Haven't at all.
- So Justin's really, like,
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the first guy you've talked to?
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- He was the first one that
I felt like I connected with.
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- So tell us about your
connection with Justin.
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- I started making, um,
Instagram videos and TikToks,
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and then he would like
the content I was posting.
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- What was the video?
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- One of those
silhouette videos
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where you don't
have clothes on.
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- Oh.
- Yeah...
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- Wow.
Do you remember
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what the comment was?
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- A puppy dog thing,
and he's like,
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"I have to see
another one of these,"
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or something.
- Oh, okay.
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- But it made me, like, giggle.
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- Sure.
- It made me smile.
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Again, I'm going into this
with low self-confidence,
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and he just boosted
my self-esteem.
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He made me feel desired
and liked and stuff.
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So then I'm like, "All right."
I hearted it,
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and I put,
"I'll see what I can do
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about making another video."
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- Okay, so then...
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- He started following me--
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- Right.
- And then I followed him back,
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'cause that was
how he was able to get
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into the inbox.
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- Right.
- Yes.
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- Then once
he gets into the inbox,
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then it was kind of,
like, a daily thing--
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a "Good morning,"
"How are you doing?"
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"What do you do?"
Then it was consistent.
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- "What do you do?"
- Right.
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- That, would then, I assume,
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prompt a conversation
about what he does.
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Do you know what he does?
- Mm-mm.
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I never got full answers,
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because then it would turn
into another conversation.
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- 'Cause he's asking
lots of questions?
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- Correct.
He's spitting out stuff--
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I'm answering.
- Right.
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- And then I answer something,
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but then it gets
lost in the jumble.
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- That's okay.
So you're DMing on TikTok
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and Instagram?
- No.
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That what I was
just gonna get into.
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So then I develop
this Instagram page,
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and I'm putting up videos.
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All of a sudden,
I see this anime guy
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keep liking my videos.
and his name is garynatsu,
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and he gets in the inbox--
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"Just to let you know,
this is Justin from TikTok."
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- Huh.
- So I'm like, "Okay."
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- Was it--okay.
Had he specified
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what his name is?
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- He never actually told me
whether it was Justin or Gary.
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- You never said,
"Oh, it's kind of strange
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you have two names
on these different platforms"?
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- He said he was into, like,
anime and stuff like that.
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- So that's just his,
like, gamey profile.
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- It confused me.
I am older.
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So whatever--I knew
it was the same person,
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so I felt comfortable enough
to keep talking,
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but as far as the name,
the job, even the age--
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- You don't even know
how old he is?
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- I'm assuming
he was around my age
250
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because of the content
of his language.
251
00:08:37,217 --> 00:08:39,086
- So you think
his name is Justin what?
252
00:08:39,152 --> 00:08:40,354
- I don't know his last name.
- Oh.
253
00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:41,822
- Have you ever asked him
his name?
254
00:08:41,889 --> 00:08:42,956
- Um, not really,
255
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because I kind of--
when I'm saying,
256
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"My name is this,"
I'm waiting for you
257
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to respond with yours.
When I say, "I'm 41,"
258
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I'm waiting for you
to respond back.
259
00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:52,332
- But there's something
about him that you're like,
260
00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:54,201
"I wanna chase"--
- I don't chase, but yes,
261
00:08:54,268 --> 00:08:56,136
there's something
about certain ways
262
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and things that were said.
263
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Like, in the morning, um, so--
264
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"Are you feeling better
from the night before?"
265
00:09:01,008 --> 00:09:02,910
Like, little things--
like, "Oh, did you get to do
266
00:09:02,976 --> 00:09:04,244
what you wanted last week?"
267
00:09:04,311 --> 00:09:05,812
Or "What are you
gonna have for lunch?"
268
00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:07,414
Just little things like that.
269
00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,483
It's not something
that everybody asks.
270
00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:11,552
- So it's just less
about the banter
271
00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:13,053
and more about the care--
272
00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,388
he cares.
- Right.
273
00:09:14,454 --> 00:09:16,290
- And do you have
his phone number?
274
00:09:16,356 --> 00:09:18,292
- I have it, yes.
- So you did text?
275
00:09:18,358 --> 00:09:19,493
- We did once.
- Once?
276
00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:21,428
- Yeah, once,
and the next morning,
277
00:09:21,495 --> 00:09:22,429
we went back to the apps.
278
00:09:22,496 --> 00:09:26,500
- Unless you're hiding
279
00:09:26,567 --> 00:09:28,569
you're relationship...
- Right, right, right.
280
00:09:28,635 --> 00:09:30,337
- In which case,
you don't want text messages
281
00:09:30,404 --> 00:09:32,105
coming up on your phone.
- Yes.
282
00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:35,142
- Why wouldn't he--
- Yeah, that is strange.
283
00:09:35,209 --> 00:09:37,277
How do you know
he feels intimately about you?
284
00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:38,912
- He always would say,
"You're very kind,"
285
00:09:38,979 --> 00:09:39,980
"You're a good mother,"
286
00:09:40,047 --> 00:09:41,315
"You're smart,"
"You're pretty."
287
00:09:41,381 --> 00:09:43,116
- But has he ever said,
"I really like you"?
288
00:09:43,183 --> 00:09:44,618
- Yes.
- Okay.
289
00:09:44,685 --> 00:09:46,153
- Definitely said that.
- But have you made any plans
290
00:09:46,220 --> 00:09:47,588
to meet up?
- We did--we were supposed to
291
00:09:47,654 --> 00:09:49,890
meet on 42nd Street
when I was out there one day,
292
00:09:49,957 --> 00:09:51,058
and I told him I'm waiting.
293
00:09:51,124 --> 00:09:52,593
I waited about 45 minutes,
294
00:09:52,659 --> 00:09:54,461
then I actually wanted
to catch the sunset.
295
00:09:54,528 --> 00:09:56,230
So I says, "I'm
heading over to Brooklyn
296
00:09:56,296 --> 00:09:58,165
so I could see
the sunset over the bridge."
297
00:09:58,232 --> 00:10:00,033
Then I'm getting a text,
"Oh, I was there.
298
00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:01,635
Where were you?"
- Oh, and then he gets
299
00:10:01,702 --> 00:10:02,836
to 42nd Street--
- Yes.
300
00:10:02,903 --> 00:10:03,770
- He's like, "Oh,
I'm here, where are you?"
301
00:10:03,837 --> 00:10:05,372
- Correct.
302
00:10:05,439 --> 00:10:09,443
- Can we take a sort of scroll
through some of your messages
303
00:10:09,510 --> 00:10:12,646
and just get a sense
of your relationship?
304
00:10:12,713 --> 00:10:14,248
- All right, I have a lot.
- So these are your messages?
305
00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:16,316
- Those are our messages
from Instagram.
306
00:10:16,383 --> 00:10:18,519
- He said, "Good morning.
Have a great day filming"--
307
00:10:18,585 --> 00:10:20,621
just positive affirmations,
308
00:10:20,687 --> 00:10:21,989
being very supportive.
309
00:10:22,055 --> 00:10:23,857
- Yes.
- It's amazing
310
00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:25,826
how many messages
you guys have here.
311
00:10:25,893 --> 00:10:27,628
Oh, it's a lot, geez.
312
00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:28,962
- We talk daily.
313
00:10:29,029 --> 00:10:30,464
- I will say here, Angela,
314
00:10:30,531 --> 00:10:32,833
I haven't seen you ask him
one question yet.
315
00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:35,969
So you might respond back
to what he says,
316
00:10:36,036 --> 00:10:38,105
like, "That's crazy,"
but not like,
317
00:10:38,172 --> 00:10:39,840
"Wow, how did
you feel about that?"
318
00:10:39,907 --> 00:10:41,108
- Mm-hmm.
- Or I haven't seen you
319
00:10:41,175 --> 00:10:43,010
directly ask him,
like, "Where do you live?"
320
00:10:43,076 --> 00:10:46,246
"What do you do?"
"What are you into?"
321
00:10:46,313 --> 00:10:47,848
- Wait, is this him?
- Yes, that's one of him.
322
00:10:47,915 --> 00:10:49,249
- Wow,
323
00:10:49,316 --> 00:10:51,218
and he sent you these
on TikTok?
324
00:10:51,285 --> 00:10:52,719
- Yeah.
- Okay, that's not
325
00:10:52,786 --> 00:10:54,188
a vague photo at all.
326
00:10:54,254 --> 00:10:56,123
It's pretty clear.
- Okay, so wait a second.
327
00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:57,658
So these are
pretty specific photos.
328
00:10:57,724 --> 00:10:59,693
- It's the same guy.
It's the same nose--yeah.
329
00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,261
- Huh.
Yeah, I mean,
330
00:11:01,328 --> 00:11:02,896
some of the things
about this guy
331
00:11:02,963 --> 00:11:04,565
seem very suspicious,
332
00:11:04,631 --> 00:11:07,000
and then, some things
seem very legit.
333
00:11:07,067 --> 00:11:08,335
- Loveable, right.
That's what I'm saying.
334
00:11:08,402 --> 00:11:10,537
I get--I'm very confused
about the whole situation.
335
00:11:10,604 --> 00:11:12,906
- All right, so look, we are
going to figure this out.
336
00:11:12,973 --> 00:11:14,308
- Thank you.
337
00:11:14,374 --> 00:11:15,709
- We'll check back
in with you tomorrow
338
00:11:15,776 --> 00:11:17,010
an go from there.
339
00:11:17,077 --> 00:11:18,579
- Thanks for joining me.
340
00:11:18,645 --> 00:11:19,680
- [grunts]
341
00:11:19,746 --> 00:11:21,849
Good to meet you.
342
00:11:21,915 --> 00:11:23,250
- Nice to meet you, Angela.
343
00:11:23,317 --> 00:11:24,718
- Can't wait to see you guys.
344
00:11:24,785 --> 00:11:26,720
Find out everything.
345
00:11:26,787 --> 00:11:28,789
[dramatic music]
346
00:11:28,856 --> 00:11:30,524
- Not what I expected.
347
00:11:30,591 --> 00:11:32,993
She's not what I expected.
- No, not at all.
348
00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:34,928
- And this guy, you know,
like, their relationship,
349
00:11:34,995 --> 00:11:36,363
I get it.
- Yes.
350
00:11:36,430 --> 00:11:39,933
- You know, I don't know
if I get it as much for him.
351
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,502
- She's an attractive woman,
352
00:11:41,568 --> 00:11:44,037
and he obviously
slid in her DMs
353
00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:46,073
or commented on,
like, a sexy video.
354
00:11:46,139 --> 00:11:47,508
- Sure, sure.
- So it feels like he would be
355
00:11:47,574 --> 00:11:50,110
incentivized to try to have
a physical relationship.
356
00:11:50,177 --> 00:11:51,778
But because
he's not trying to pursue
357
00:11:51,845 --> 00:11:53,113
this in-person relationship,
358
00:11:53,180 --> 00:11:55,015
but he's still trying
to maintain contact--
359
00:11:55,082 --> 00:11:56,917
that's the strange thing.
360
00:11:56,984 --> 00:11:59,453
I get why she likes Justin.
361
00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,089
I don't get him.
362
00:12:02,155 --> 00:12:03,357
- That's what's crazy.
363
00:12:03,423 --> 00:12:05,726
What's this guy want
from Angela?
364
00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:12,799
- All right.
- This place looks cozy--
365
00:12:12,866 --> 00:12:14,468
like a magical coffee shop.
366
00:12:14,535 --> 00:12:16,537
- What, a crystal ball?
367
00:12:16,603 --> 00:12:17,905
This is crazy.
- Whoa!
368
00:12:17,971 --> 00:12:19,840
- I've never seen
a crystal ball in my life.
369
00:12:19,907 --> 00:12:22,176
Oh, yes, he's staring intently
into the ball.
370
00:12:22,242 --> 00:12:23,310
[eerie music]
371
00:12:23,377 --> 00:12:24,778
- Crystal ball...
- What do you see?
372
00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:28,182
- Is Justin a catfish playa?
373
00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:29,950
♪♪ ♪♪
374
00:12:30,017 --> 00:12:30,884
- Hint?
- I'm not getting anything.
375
00:12:30,951 --> 00:12:32,386
- Not--okay, let it go.
376
00:12:32,452 --> 00:12:35,422
- "Ask again later."
[both laugh]
377
00:12:35,489 --> 00:12:37,824
Right, Angela's 41.
378
00:12:37,891 --> 00:12:39,927
She was in a relationship
for almost 20 years.
379
00:12:39,993 --> 00:12:41,495
It yielded three children,
380
00:12:41,562 --> 00:12:43,897
but left her broken.
381
00:12:43,964 --> 00:12:45,666
For two years now,
she's been single,
382
00:12:45,732 --> 00:12:47,067
getting her life
back on track,
383
00:12:47,134 --> 00:12:48,168
gets into TikTok.
384
00:12:48,235 --> 00:12:50,070
That takes off,
and right away,
385
00:12:50,137 --> 00:12:51,972
she starts getting
comments and messages
386
00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:53,974
and notices one
from a guy named Justin.
387
00:12:54,041 --> 00:12:55,576
They start talking every day.
388
00:12:55,642 --> 00:12:57,644
It's now been two months, and
the couple times they planned
389
00:12:57,711 --> 00:12:59,513
on meeting up,
something's happened.
390
00:12:59,580 --> 00:13:00,814
Something comes up for work...
391
00:13:00,881 --> 00:13:02,482
- Or that date--
is it not strange
392
00:13:02,549 --> 00:13:03,951
he "couldn't find her"
in New York?
393
00:13:04,017 --> 00:13:05,986
- Over the years,
making this show,
394
00:13:06,053 --> 00:13:08,722
that's a very
typical catfish move.
395
00:13:08,789 --> 00:13:10,591
It's a tactic.
- Mm-hmm.
396
00:13:10,657 --> 00:13:12,559
- So Angela sent us an email.
397
00:13:12,626 --> 00:13:13,927
It says, "Hey, Nev and Shan"--
398
00:13:13,994 --> 00:13:15,329
you made it into the email.
- Yes.
399
00:13:15,395 --> 00:13:16,797
- "Thank you
for coming out here
400
00:13:16,864 --> 00:13:18,298
"to help me
with this whole situation.
401
00:13:18,365 --> 00:13:21,602
"What I know is that
his name is Justin,
402
00:13:21,668 --> 00:13:24,037
but he also goes by Gary."
403
00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:26,540
[laughs]
"But I know his name is Justin.
404
00:13:26,607 --> 00:13:28,175
"He lives in Brooklyn.
405
00:13:28,242 --> 00:13:29,443
"Here's his Instagram.
406
00:13:29,510 --> 00:13:32,513
"His TikTok URL
is [bleep] Justin,"
407
00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:33,547
and a phone number.
408
00:13:33,614 --> 00:13:35,215
"I'm sending the photos I have.
409
00:13:35,282 --> 00:13:36,750
"If you have any questions
or need anything else from me,
410
00:13:36,817 --> 00:13:38,585
feel free to call or text."
411
00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:40,420
- I'm tingling right now.
Where do we start?
412
00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:41,922
- Let's just do an image search
413
00:13:41,989 --> 00:13:43,257
even though I can't imagine
414
00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:45,459
we're gonna find
any of these pictures anywhere.
415
00:13:45,526 --> 00:13:46,760
So here's the first one.
416
00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:48,629
Okay, nothing there.
417
00:13:48,695 --> 00:13:49,663
All right, next pic.
418
00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:52,266
[suspenseful music]
419
00:13:52,332 --> 00:13:55,135
Nothin',
Last one.
420
00:13:55,202 --> 00:13:57,871
♪♪ ♪♪
421
00:13:57,938 --> 00:14:00,407
Negative.
All right, so enough with that.
422
00:14:00,474 --> 00:14:03,243
Let's run the phone number.
423
00:14:03,310 --> 00:14:04,645
New York, New York,
424
00:14:04,711 --> 00:14:06,747
but no name
associated with this number.
425
00:14:06,813 --> 00:14:09,483
Let's try another site.
426
00:14:09,550 --> 00:14:10,751
Kay, again, nothing.
427
00:14:10,817 --> 00:14:12,319
- Is that strange
428
00:14:12,386 --> 00:14:14,054
for the phone thing
not to check out?
429
00:14:14,121 --> 00:14:16,924
- No.
Often, phone numbers
430
00:14:16,990 --> 00:14:19,092
will come up
to other people's names,
431
00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:21,028
or like in this case,
it doesn't come back
432
00:14:21,094 --> 00:14:23,197
with a name at all.
- Okay.
433
00:14:23,263 --> 00:14:24,431
- So what else
do we have here?
434
00:14:24,498 --> 00:14:26,133
We have Instagram.
435
00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,301
Here is his Instagram.
Okay, so--
436
00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:29,503
- Okay.
- It appears his name
437
00:14:29,570 --> 00:14:31,171
is Gary--last name, Natsu.
438
00:14:31,238 --> 00:14:33,207
Like, can we just look that up
and just see if Natsu
439
00:14:33,273 --> 00:14:36,310
is some, like, slang,
Urban Dictionary thing?
440
00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:39,112
Oh!
Natsu is a character.
441
00:14:39,179 --> 00:14:41,114
So he must be a big fan
of this character.
442
00:14:41,181 --> 00:14:43,917
But that still doesn't
explain why he goes by Gary.
443
00:14:43,984 --> 00:14:45,919
So I wanna just look up
"Gary Natsu,"
444
00:14:45,986 --> 00:14:47,588
'cause could that even be
445
00:14:47,654 --> 00:14:50,290
a more specific reference
to someone?
446
00:14:50,357 --> 00:14:51,859
- Oh, he actually popped up.
- Ooh, wait a second.
447
00:14:51,925 --> 00:14:53,927
There's a Facebook.
448
00:14:53,994 --> 00:14:55,429
- That is him!
- Whoa!
449
00:14:55,495 --> 00:14:56,897
Wait,
does she have this Facebook?
450
00:14:56,964 --> 00:14:58,398
Did she send us this?
No.
451
00:14:58,465 --> 00:15:00,434
So they're not even
on Facebook together,
452
00:15:00,501 --> 00:15:01,768
and here he is.
453
00:15:01,835 --> 00:15:04,071
He has a link here
to a fanfiction.
454
00:15:04,137 --> 00:15:05,439
Oh, he has a Linktree?
455
00:15:05,506 --> 00:15:06,807
Linktree, garynatsu.
456
00:15:06,874 --> 00:15:08,375
[dramatic music]
457
00:15:08,442 --> 00:15:10,310
- Royal Load--
don't know what that is.
458
00:15:10,377 --> 00:15:13,046
Wow, this is a sort
of fanfiction thing,
459
00:15:13,113 --> 00:15:15,115
and look, he's even got
his Instagram linked here
460
00:15:15,182 --> 00:15:16,917
to the same one that we have.
461
00:15:16,984 --> 00:15:18,752
"Pokémon trainer Gary
462
00:15:18,819 --> 00:15:22,155
has lost a lot on his journey
through the Kanto region."
463
00:15:22,222 --> 00:15:25,926
So this guy, yeah,
he's really into fanfiction.
464
00:15:25,993 --> 00:15:27,461
So this is very much
a part of his life--
465
00:15:27,528 --> 00:15:29,029
crazy that it hasn't come up.
466
00:15:29,096 --> 00:15:30,264
- It is pretty crazy.
467
00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:32,799
- His name definitely
seems to be Gary.
468
00:15:32,866 --> 00:15:34,034
We know
his last name's not Natsu,
469
00:15:34,101 --> 00:15:35,302
'cause that's a character name.
- Mm.
470
00:15:35,369 --> 00:15:37,971
- But, like,
he doesn't call himself Justin
471
00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:40,040
in any of these spaces.
- Right.
472
00:15:40,107 --> 00:15:41,742
- So that is strange.
473
00:15:41,808 --> 00:15:45,179
- Mm-hmm.
- What else do we have here?
474
00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:48,348
That's definitely Justin/Gary.
475
00:15:48,415 --> 00:15:50,984
Also, look, I mean, this is
definitely New York City,
476
00:15:51,051 --> 00:15:53,120
100%, unmistakable.
477
00:15:53,187 --> 00:15:55,422
Look, he's even got pictures
of what seem to be his house.
478
00:15:55,489 --> 00:15:57,925
It's filled with anime.
479
00:15:57,991 --> 00:15:59,893
Whoa, that's him in a mask.
480
00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,296
Oh, what's that?
481
00:16:02,362 --> 00:16:03,830
- Oh...
482
00:16:03,897 --> 00:16:05,933
that's a wedding ring.
- It certainly looks like one.
483
00:16:05,999 --> 00:16:07,701
- It does look a wedding ring.
- Right?
484
00:16:07,768 --> 00:16:09,970
That could be his wife.
485
00:16:10,037 --> 00:16:12,139
"Me and my friends
celebrating my birthday...
486
00:16:12,206 --> 00:16:14,374
differences
and scaring the wife"!
487
00:16:14,441 --> 00:16:17,044
He's [bleep] married!
488
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:19,313
He said, "My wife"!
489
00:16:19,379 --> 00:16:20,414
- Oh, he tagged her.
490
00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,516
♪♪ ♪♪
491
00:16:22,583 --> 00:16:24,184
- This is--that's the girl--
- Wow.
492
00:16:24,251 --> 00:16:27,020
- From the picture!
- Yeah, damn.
493
00:16:27,087 --> 00:16:28,388
- Hard to get
any more info though.
494
00:16:28,455 --> 00:16:30,757
Her page is private.
That's a bummer.
495
00:16:30,824 --> 00:16:32,526
- All right, he's married.
496
00:16:32,593 --> 00:16:35,028
- In an interesting,
somewhat unexpected twist,
497
00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:37,231
all signs seem to be pointing
498
00:16:37,297 --> 00:16:39,967
to "Justin"
really just being Gary,
499
00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:42,135
which is not a name
he's been hiding--
500
00:16:42,202 --> 00:16:43,637
- Right.
- Who's a real guy--
501
00:16:43,704 --> 00:16:45,472
the guy in the pictures,
502
00:16:45,539 --> 00:16:46,874
lives in New York,
503
00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:48,809
but unfortunately for Angela,
504
00:16:48,876 --> 00:16:51,278
it looks like
this guy is married.
505
00:16:51,345 --> 00:16:53,146
♪♪ ♪♪
506
00:16:58,385 --> 00:16:59,353
- We're here.
507
00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:00,554
- [grunts]
508
00:17:00,621 --> 00:17:03,790
[dramatic music]
509
00:17:03,857 --> 00:17:05,092
Hey.
- Hi, welcome again.
510
00:17:05,158 --> 00:17:06,093
- All right!
- Hello!
511
00:17:06,159 --> 00:17:07,427
- Hello.
- What's up?
512
00:17:07,494 --> 00:17:09,263
- Great to see you.
- Yes, nice to see you.
513
00:17:09,329 --> 00:17:11,031
I wanna find out
what we got going.
514
00:17:11,098 --> 00:17:13,567
- Well, we have
a lot to talk about.
515
00:17:13,634 --> 00:17:14,968
All right, so why doesn't
everyone slide in,
516
00:17:15,035 --> 00:17:17,638
so that we can all look
at the screen together?
517
00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:19,373
Okay, first of all,
we just said,
518
00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:21,341
"Okay,
let's just look up Gary."
519
00:17:21,408 --> 00:17:22,776
- Mm-hmm.
- "Even though we think
520
00:17:22,843 --> 00:17:24,878
"his name is Justin,
what's this name Gary"--
521
00:17:24,945 --> 00:17:26,713
- Natsu.
- Right.
522
00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:28,582
- It isn't the other name.
- So you knew that?
523
00:17:28,649 --> 00:17:30,150
- No, no, no, no, no.
- Oh!
524
00:17:30,217 --> 00:17:31,552
- I'm look at your internet--
- Oh, you're looking at it.
525
00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:32,719
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Okay, so Natsu
526
00:17:32,786 --> 00:17:34,521
is a character.
So he's using
527
00:17:34,588 --> 00:17:36,723
an anime character
as his last name.
528
00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:38,192
- Okay.
- Now here's
529
00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:39,960
something interesting--
when you Google Gary Natsu,
530
00:17:40,027 --> 00:17:41,595
there's a Facebook page.
531
00:17:41,662 --> 00:17:43,497
- Oh, that's Justin!
- Right.
532
00:17:43,564 --> 00:17:45,532
So there's a page.
533
00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:46,867
- He told me
he didn't use Facebook.
534
00:17:46,934 --> 00:17:48,836
I didn't even realize
you were on Facebook.
535
00:17:48,902 --> 00:17:51,872
- But here's where we really
started picking up steam.
536
00:17:51,939 --> 00:17:53,173
- Mm-hmm.
- When we clicked
537
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,675
on the About section,
538
00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:56,543
he's got a Linktree.
539
00:17:56,610 --> 00:17:57,845
Now here's
something interesting--
540
00:17:57,911 --> 00:17:59,913
- Mm-hmm?
- I just noticed this--
541
00:17:59,980 --> 00:18:01,448
this is his Instagram page.
- Mm-hmm.
542
00:18:01,515 --> 00:18:02,549
- The one
you've been looking at.
543
00:18:02,616 --> 00:18:04,685
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
- What do you see
544
00:18:04,751 --> 00:18:07,154
when you look at this?
545
00:18:07,221 --> 00:18:08,722
- I mean, the anime?
546
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:10,224
- Okay, the first thing
you see is anime,
547
00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:12,926
but look harder.
548
00:18:14,828 --> 00:18:16,663
'Cause this is, I think,
part of the problem.
549
00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:18,131
- That I don't see things.
550
00:18:18,198 --> 00:18:19,766
- You don't see things,
551
00:18:19,833 --> 00:18:21,201
or you don't look for things.
- And they're right in my face.
552
00:18:21,268 --> 00:18:23,470
- Or you're easily distracted
by the wrong things.
553
00:18:23,537 --> 00:18:24,905
You know what I see?
554
00:18:24,972 --> 00:18:26,573
His bio.
555
00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,577
Right here--he's
a Pokémon fanfiction writer.
556
00:18:30,644 --> 00:18:32,412
- Mm-hmm.
- So he's a writer.
557
00:18:32,479 --> 00:18:34,681
- Mm-hmm.
- "Read my stories here."
558
00:18:34,748 --> 00:18:35,949
- Oh, I've never
even read his stories.
559
00:18:36,016 --> 00:18:38,118
- And then a link!
Here's his Linktree,
560
00:18:38,185 --> 00:18:40,621
which has links
to six different accounts
561
00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:42,122
on different websites,
562
00:18:42,189 --> 00:18:45,626
one of which is a place
where people post fanfiction,
563
00:18:45,692 --> 00:18:48,295
and it has a bio--
"Hey, my name is Gary,
564
00:18:48,362 --> 00:18:49,563
Pokémon fan"--
- See, he's saying
565
00:18:49,630 --> 00:18:50,898
his name is Gary!
- Right--
566
00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:53,700
talks about writing
fanfiction for Pokémon.
567
00:18:53,767 --> 00:18:55,802
This is something
he's been doing a long time.
568
00:18:55,869 --> 00:18:58,539
- Right, and
it's something I should have...
569
00:18:58,605 --> 00:19:00,774
talked to him about.
- Something--but the fact
570
00:19:00,841 --> 00:19:02,843
that he hasn't mentioned...
- Never.
571
00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:04,745
- That he has
a major passion...
572
00:19:04,811 --> 00:19:07,414
- Mm-hmm.
- For fanfiction and writing
573
00:19:07,481 --> 00:19:09,049
and reading, like--weird!
574
00:19:09,116 --> 00:19:11,084
- Never has he talked
about any of this.
575
00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:13,487
- So basically, at this point,
we started to think,
576
00:19:13,554 --> 00:19:16,056
like,
"Okay, it looks like this guy
577
00:19:16,123 --> 00:19:18,759
is mostly
what you think he is,"
578
00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:21,428
but we then went back
to the Facebook page
579
00:19:21,495 --> 00:19:23,363
that we found
and thought, "Okay,
580
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:25,866
"let's take a deep dive.
Let's go through the posts.
581
00:19:25,933 --> 00:19:28,135
"Let's see
if we can find anything
582
00:19:28,202 --> 00:19:29,403
that can tell us more."
583
00:19:29,469 --> 00:19:33,106
- Mm, and did you?
- Yeah, we found this.
584
00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:36,743
Here he is with what looks
like a wedding ring.
585
00:19:38,812 --> 00:19:39,980
And in this post,
586
00:19:40,047 --> 00:19:44,218
he calls that woman his wife.
587
00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:46,420
- He has a wife?
588
00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:52,092
♪♪ ♪♪
589
00:19:52,159 --> 00:19:53,627
That makes me upset.
590
00:19:53,694 --> 00:19:58,031
- ♪♪ Sometimes love feels
like a heart attack ♪♪
591
00:19:58,098 --> 00:19:59,433
[vocalizes]
592
00:19:59,499 --> 00:20:00,901
I'm, like, really confused.
593
00:20:00,968 --> 00:20:02,903
- ♪♪ It breaks you down ♪♪
594
00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:05,472
♪♪ Just to bring you back ♪♪
595
00:20:05,539 --> 00:20:07,508
- This is, like, deep--
you're married.
596
00:20:09,276 --> 00:20:11,411
Now this is, like,
turning into more secretive--
597
00:20:11,478 --> 00:20:12,513
it's like he knows
a lot about me,
598
00:20:12,579 --> 00:20:14,047
but I know nothing about him.
599
00:20:14,114 --> 00:20:18,952
- ♪♪ Sometimes love feels
like a heart attack ♪♪
600
00:20:19,019 --> 00:20:20,787
- But I do wanna point out
601
00:20:20,854 --> 00:20:25,325
his picture is from 2019.
602
00:20:25,392 --> 00:20:28,328
So it's possible
they're divorced.
603
00:20:28,395 --> 00:20:30,030
- Possibly.
604
00:20:30,097 --> 00:20:32,699
- Why wouldn't he have
mentioned being married?
605
00:20:32,766 --> 00:20:35,869
- And with my ex, he's not
on any of my social media.
606
00:20:35,936 --> 00:20:37,538
I erased him.
- Right.
607
00:20:37,604 --> 00:20:39,173
- The fact
that all this is still up--
608
00:20:39,239 --> 00:20:40,474
maybe he's still married.
609
00:20:40,541 --> 00:20:42,109
I'm, like, really confused,
610
00:20:42,176 --> 00:20:44,111
and I feel a little scared,
'cause, like, I feel scared,
611
00:20:44,178 --> 00:20:45,779
'cause, like, this guy
knows so much more about me
612
00:20:45,846 --> 00:20:47,347
than I know about him.
613
00:20:47,414 --> 00:20:51,952
- ♪♪ Sometimes love feels
like a heart attack ♪♪
614
00:20:58,225 --> 00:21:00,527
- Well, I think now
we're at this moment where,
615
00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:02,162
in a way,
I feel more confident
616
00:21:02,229 --> 00:21:03,463
that there is, in fact,
a guy named Justin
617
00:21:03,530 --> 00:21:04,631
who lives in New York City--
- Right.
618
00:21:04,698 --> 00:21:06,133
- That looks like the guy
in the pictures,
619
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,035
but there is still
this big question mark--
620
00:21:08,101 --> 00:21:09,837
is he married?
621
00:21:09,903 --> 00:21:11,271
- Mm-hmm.
- There's no mention
622
00:21:11,338 --> 00:21:13,507
or evidence of his wife
since 2019.
623
00:21:13,574 --> 00:21:17,010
So it's possible
they're divorced.
624
00:21:17,077 --> 00:21:18,178
But it doesn't look like
625
00:21:18,245 --> 00:21:20,113
there's much more
we can find out--
626
00:21:20,180 --> 00:21:21,682
- Without, like,
talking to him.
627
00:21:21,748 --> 00:21:23,450
You think I should
just confront him?
628
00:21:23,517 --> 00:21:25,853
- Well, I don't know if I want
to use the word "confront"--
629
00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:27,054
at least not about the wife--
630
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,288
yet.
- Mm-hmm.
631
00:21:28,355 --> 00:21:30,791
- But I think
you should call Justin.
632
00:21:30,858 --> 00:21:32,459
- Do you think we should call?
- Yeah.
633
00:21:32,526 --> 00:21:34,494
Let's see if he answers.
- I know.
634
00:21:34,561 --> 00:21:35,963
[phone line trilling]
635
00:21:36,029 --> 00:21:37,431
- Your call has been forwarded
636
00:21:37,497 --> 00:21:40,467
to an automated voice
messaging system.
637
00:21:40,534 --> 00:21:42,536
646...
638
00:21:42,603 --> 00:21:44,371
- Yeah, it wasn't the name.
- Right.
639
00:21:44,438 --> 00:21:46,139
What is the best way to--
[phone dings]
640
00:21:46,206 --> 00:21:47,374
Was that--
oh, that's the number.
641
00:21:47,441 --> 00:21:49,376
That's the number we called.
- It is.
642
00:21:49,443 --> 00:21:50,944
- "Hey, I just missed
a call from you.
643
00:21:51,011 --> 00:21:52,980
I'm at dinner with a friend."
644
00:21:53,046 --> 00:21:54,948
- Mm.
- Okay, I think you say,
645
00:21:55,015 --> 00:21:56,450
"Fine, but I did
want to talk to you
646
00:21:56,517 --> 00:21:58,552
about finally meeting up
face-to-face."
647
00:21:58,619 --> 00:21:59,786
- I feel comfortable
saying that.
648
00:21:59,853 --> 00:22:01,121
- Right.
- That sounds--
649
00:22:01,188 --> 00:22:02,656
- So you could say
your version of that.
650
00:22:02,723 --> 00:22:06,360
So, "You mean a lot to me,
and I would really like to see
651
00:22:06,426 --> 00:22:08,729
"where this is going.
I'm off tomorrow.
652
00:22:08,795 --> 00:22:10,531
Why don't we finally
get together?"
653
00:22:10,597 --> 00:22:11,932
- Mm-hmm.
- Nice.
654
00:22:11,999 --> 00:22:13,433
Let's see what they say.
655
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:14,601
[phone dings]
- There he is.
656
00:22:14,668 --> 00:22:16,203
- Whoa, whoa!
He said, "Next week
657
00:22:16,270 --> 00:22:17,738
would be better.
Are you free then?"
658
00:22:17,804 --> 00:22:19,506
- He always does this.
- Right, this is the thing.
659
00:22:19,573 --> 00:22:21,375
So--
- Maybe now is a good time
660
00:22:21,441 --> 00:22:23,076
for the ultimatum.
- Yeah, say,
661
00:22:23,143 --> 00:22:25,112
"Cut the crap, Justin."
662
00:22:25,179 --> 00:22:27,147
That's what I would say.
663
00:22:27,214 --> 00:22:28,615
What--can you read it to us?
664
00:22:28,682 --> 00:22:30,551
- "Look,
I don't want any more excuses.
665
00:22:30,617 --> 00:22:32,419
"I'm tired of waiting.
I emailed 'Catfish'
666
00:22:32,486 --> 00:22:34,288
for assistance,
and they are here with me."
667
00:22:34,354 --> 00:22:36,657
- Wow.
- Now I think I scared him.
668
00:22:36,723 --> 00:22:38,492
I'm usually
a very positive, nice person.
669
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,427
[phone dings]
- Oh, he wrote back.
670
00:22:40,494 --> 00:22:42,362
"Um, wow, I'm really confused.
671
00:22:42,429 --> 00:22:44,631
"You called 'Catfish,'
like, because of me?
672
00:22:44,698 --> 00:22:46,600
"I honestly do think
you're great too.
673
00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:48,602
"I'm just a little
caught off guard
674
00:22:48,669 --> 00:22:51,471
"and not fully sure what
to think nor am comfortable
675
00:22:51,538 --> 00:22:53,841
with all this.
I need time to think it over."
676
00:22:53,907 --> 00:22:56,743
So say, "Okay, right,
I totally get.
677
00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:59,513
I look forward
to hearing from you soon."
678
00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:02,049
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay, wow.
679
00:23:02,115 --> 00:23:05,118
Well, whether he comes
to town here or we go there,
680
00:23:05,185 --> 00:23:06,420
it's now or never.
681
00:23:06,486 --> 00:23:09,857
So get some rest,
and we'll see what happens.
682
00:23:09,923 --> 00:23:11,058
All right.
683
00:23:11,124 --> 00:23:13,126
- Thanks for stopping by.
684
00:23:13,193 --> 00:23:14,895
- Bye, Angela.
685
00:23:14,962 --> 00:23:17,965
It's cats and dogs
over here in New Jersey.
686
00:23:18,031 --> 00:23:21,268
- It does seem like there are
two versions of Justin.
687
00:23:21,335 --> 00:23:24,204
- Yes, you've got
really nice, shy guy,
688
00:23:24,271 --> 00:23:26,340
who has just been
shell-shocked,
689
00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,575
or really mischievous guy,
690
00:23:28,642 --> 00:23:31,044
who's finally getting
called out on his BS.
691
00:23:31,111 --> 00:23:34,014
Either way, Angela's love life
is on the line.
692
00:23:34,081 --> 00:23:36,717
[dramatic music]
693
00:23:38,151 --> 00:23:39,987
- I brought
a little breakfast.
694
00:23:40,053 --> 00:23:41,255
Hello?
695
00:23:41,321 --> 00:23:43,156
- Hello, come in.
696
00:23:43,223 --> 00:23:45,492
Wow.
- [chuckles]
697
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:47,060
- Is this a treat for us both?
698
00:23:47,127 --> 00:23:49,296
- It's for you,
but I'm gonna eat most of it.
699
00:23:49,363 --> 00:23:50,664
- Two different
kinds of pastries.
700
00:23:50,731 --> 00:23:52,165
You need options, yeah.
- I like options.
701
00:23:52,232 --> 00:23:54,001
How you doin'?
- I am doing great.
702
00:23:54,067 --> 00:23:57,304
- We have nothing new,
but perhaps Angela does.
703
00:23:57,371 --> 00:23:58,505
[phone line trills]
704
00:23:59,573 --> 00:24:00,941
- Angela.
- Good morning!
705
00:24:01,008 --> 00:24:01,975
- Hey, good morning.
706
00:24:02,042 --> 00:24:03,443
- Have you heard anything?
707
00:24:06,046 --> 00:24:09,082
- Well, now that he knows
we're working together,
708
00:24:09,149 --> 00:24:10,884
maybe I reach out this morning
709
00:24:10,951 --> 00:24:12,920
just to see if perhaps
I can get a response.
710
00:24:15,522 --> 00:24:16,957
- Okay, great.
711
00:24:17,024 --> 00:24:18,192
As soon as I have some info,
712
00:24:18,258 --> 00:24:20,194
I will let you know.
713
00:24:20,260 --> 00:24:21,995
All right.
714
00:24:22,062 --> 00:24:23,564
Okay, so Justin--
715
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:25,599
"Good morning, Justin.
716
00:24:25,666 --> 00:24:29,469
"This is Nev from Catfish.
717
00:24:29,536 --> 00:24:30,971
"I promise you have
nothing to worry about.
718
00:24:31,038 --> 00:24:33,006
"As you know, Angela is
719
00:24:33,073 --> 00:24:37,010
"a very open-minded person.
720
00:24:37,077 --> 00:24:39,279
"I know you said
you were nervous,
721
00:24:39,346 --> 00:24:40,781
"but we would love
to help you guys
722
00:24:40,848 --> 00:24:42,749
"finally meet in real life.
723
00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:46,787
Is there any way
for us to meet you?"
724
00:24:46,854 --> 00:24:48,889
- The prayer here is
that he's gonna come out here.
725
00:24:48,956 --> 00:24:50,190
- We could drive up
to the city.
726
00:24:50,257 --> 00:24:51,658
He could drive there.
727
00:24:51,725 --> 00:24:52,893
We could meet in the middle.
[phone dings]
728
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,261
- Oh, my God!
- Catfish, oh, my gosh.
729
00:24:54,328 --> 00:24:55,562
- He wrote back.
730
00:24:55,629 --> 00:24:57,397
"I'm definitely pretty nervous,
731
00:24:57,464 --> 00:24:58,765
"but I am willing to do this.
732
00:24:58,832 --> 00:25:00,901
Do you have a place
I can meet at?"
733
00:25:00,968 --> 00:25:02,169
- Wow!
734
00:25:02,236 --> 00:25:03,871
I did not see this coming.
735
00:25:03,937 --> 00:25:09,142
- I'm gonna say, "Fantastic.
I promise you won't regret it.
736
00:25:09,209 --> 00:25:11,512
"We have a nice park
737
00:25:11,578 --> 00:25:14,982
we can meet at."
738
00:25:15,048 --> 00:25:16,650
- I can't believe this is
actually gonna happen.
739
00:25:16,717 --> 00:25:18,685
- Well...
- You still have doubts?
740
00:25:18,752 --> 00:25:20,354
- I mean,
people have done this before.
741
00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:23,223
They seemed positive,
and then...
742
00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:24,525
- Not shown.
- Right.
743
00:25:24,591 --> 00:25:26,627
- Right, which he's done before
to Angela.
744
00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:29,196
- Yeah, right,
which usually suggests
745
00:25:29,263 --> 00:25:30,564
that they're hiding something.
[message whoops]
746
00:25:30,631 --> 00:25:31,932
- Oh.
- Wow.
747
00:25:31,999 --> 00:25:34,535
- "Okay, I'll do my best
to be there in an hour."
748
00:25:34,601 --> 00:25:38,205
I'll say, "Okay, great.
See you soon."
749
00:25:38,272 --> 00:25:42,109
All right, let's call Angela.
750
00:25:42,176 --> 00:25:43,343
- Hi, Angela.
751
00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:45,245
- I was just texting
with Justin.
752
00:25:45,312 --> 00:25:48,248
He agreed to meet up with us.
753
00:25:48,315 --> 00:25:50,484
- He said he'll come down here,
754
00:25:50,551 --> 00:25:52,319
which means we'll come
to scoop you,
755
00:25:52,386 --> 00:25:53,887
and then
we'll head over there.
756
00:25:53,954 --> 00:25:55,956
- Okay, see you soon.
- Bye.
757
00:25:56,023 --> 00:25:58,358
- Probably a strange mix
of hoping he comes
758
00:25:58,425 --> 00:26:00,194
and he hoping he does not come.
759
00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:01,328
- That's your feeling?
760
00:26:01,395 --> 00:26:02,763
- No, for Angela.
761
00:26:02,829 --> 00:26:04,898
I think some people
get so attached to the story,
762
00:26:04,965 --> 00:26:07,568
and now you have to break up
with potentially the person
763
00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:09,236
and the story
that you told yourself.
764
00:26:09,303 --> 00:26:10,604
That's hard to do,
- Right.
765
00:26:12,406 --> 00:26:14,174
- All right...
766
00:26:15,108 --> 00:26:18,178
- Wanna do the honors?
- I'd love to do the honors.
767
00:26:20,747 --> 00:26:22,449
- Whoo!
- Oh, wow, you are ready!
768
00:26:22,516 --> 00:26:23,717
- Oh, my goodness!
- I'm ready.
769
00:26:23,784 --> 00:26:25,252
- Look at this.
- You--Angela,
770
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:26,386
we're going to a park.
- I know.
771
00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:27,554
I wanna make
a good first impression.
772
00:26:27,621 --> 00:26:29,189
- This is
an amazing first impression.
773
00:26:29,256 --> 00:26:32,392
- Wow, this show's called
"Catfish," not "catwalk,"
774
00:26:32,459 --> 00:26:33,961
Angela.
- [laughs]
775
00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:35,329
Thank you.
776
00:26:35,395 --> 00:26:37,364
- Oh, yeah!
777
00:26:37,431 --> 00:26:40,033
Whew, here we go.
778
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,069
- A little nervous,
but I'm still excited.
779
00:26:42,135 --> 00:26:43,637
- So Angela, it seems like
780
00:26:43,704 --> 00:26:48,141
despite all of the possible
deception and ambiguity,
781
00:26:48,208 --> 00:26:51,612
you feel like we could be
driving to your destiny?
782
00:26:51,678 --> 00:26:53,247
- Yeah, definitely.
783
00:26:53,313 --> 00:26:54,648
- But he could be married.
784
00:26:54,715 --> 00:26:56,884
- But there's still a chance
he might not be too.
785
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:58,252
- Of course.
- And there's still a chance
786
00:26:58,318 --> 00:26:59,319
that maybe it's not even him.
787
00:26:59,386 --> 00:27:02,155
♪♪ ♪♪
788
00:27:02,222 --> 00:27:03,423
I dunno.
789
00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:06,393
[suspenseful music]
790
00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:07,694
♪♪ ♪♪
791
00:27:07,761 --> 00:27:09,162
Oh, I've been here many times.
792
00:27:09,229 --> 00:27:12,533
- It seems very
drop-a-dead-body-ish.
793
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:13,934
- Okay.
794
00:27:14,001 --> 00:27:15,903
Let's see.
Let's let him know, maybe,
795
00:27:15,969 --> 00:27:17,104
that we're here.
796
00:27:17,171 --> 00:27:18,472
"Hey, Justin,
797
00:27:18,539 --> 00:27:21,808
we just arrived."
[message whoops]
798
00:27:21,875 --> 00:27:23,177
Should we go look for him?
- Sure thing.
799
00:27:23,243 --> 00:27:24,178
- All right.
800
00:27:24,244 --> 00:27:30,617
♪♪ ♪♪
801
00:27:30,684 --> 00:27:32,686
- I'm not feeling
too good about this now.
802
00:27:32,753 --> 00:27:35,422
- Well, hold on.
Maybe we got here first.
803
00:27:35,489 --> 00:27:36,456
- Right.
804
00:27:36,523 --> 00:27:39,293
♪♪ ♪♪
805
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,394
- Justin's not over here.
806
00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:43,230
Let's see--maybe by the lake.
807
00:27:43,297 --> 00:27:45,232
- I do see somebody
sitting on a bench--
808
00:27:45,299 --> 00:27:47,301
a single person
all the way out there.
809
00:27:47,367 --> 00:27:49,403
I don't know.
- Whoa, yeah, do you see that?
810
00:27:49,469 --> 00:27:50,437
- Yeah.
811
00:27:50,504 --> 00:27:53,106
♪♪ ♪♪
812
00:27:53,173 --> 00:27:54,107
- Is that him?
813
00:27:55,442 --> 00:27:57,211
No, I don't think so.
814
00:27:57,277 --> 00:27:59,313
Let's go back.
I assume if we're gonna meet,
815
00:27:59,379 --> 00:28:00,647
it's probably gonna be
816
00:28:00,714 --> 00:28:01,782
kind of
right by the parking lot,
817
00:28:01,849 --> 00:28:04,384
so maybe
we got here before him.
818
00:28:04,451 --> 00:28:07,855
♪♪ ♪♪
819
00:28:07,921 --> 00:28:09,389
If he pulls
into the parking lot,
820
00:28:09,456 --> 00:28:10,824
we can't miss him.
821
00:28:12,526 --> 00:28:13,660
All right...
822
00:28:16,129 --> 00:28:18,031
Wanna let him know?
- Tell him what time?
823
00:28:18,098 --> 00:28:20,267
- Well, I just told him
we were here, so...
824
00:28:20,334 --> 00:28:22,503
- I like,
"Did you find your way here?"
825
00:28:22,569 --> 00:28:23,470
- Yeah, that's good.
826
00:28:23,537 --> 00:28:26,673
♪♪ ♪♪
827
00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:28,609
[message whoops]
Was that me or you?
828
00:28:29,943 --> 00:28:31,512
- Mm...
- Is that him?
829
00:28:31,578 --> 00:28:33,080
- Did he say something?
830
00:28:33,146 --> 00:28:34,748
- I think he's here.
831
00:28:34,815 --> 00:28:36,016
- Yeah, wait a second.
832
00:28:55,135 --> 00:28:56,403
- I think he's here.
833
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:57,738
- Yeah, wait a second.
834
00:29:12,486 --> 00:29:14,388
- Seems like
it was taken right now.
835
00:29:18,225 --> 00:29:19,526
Right?
- Let's go check and see
836
00:29:19,593 --> 00:29:20,661
if that--
- I know, right?
837
00:29:20,727 --> 00:29:24,731
That seems crazy
that he would be here...
838
00:29:24,798 --> 00:29:26,400
- This close.
839
00:29:26,466 --> 00:29:29,336
[suspenseful music]
840
00:29:29,403 --> 00:29:31,171
♪♪ ♪♪
841
00:29:31,238 --> 00:29:32,673
I guess
he just didn't wanna come.
842
00:29:32,739 --> 00:29:35,175
- Or he didn't
wanna show his face.
843
00:29:35,242 --> 00:29:37,144
Maybe he's not who you think.
844
00:29:37,211 --> 00:29:39,580
- I just thought
we had a better connection.
845
00:29:39,646 --> 00:29:41,548
- I think, at this point,
it's about you.
846
00:29:41,615 --> 00:29:43,817
- Right.
- And you've given a lot,
847
00:29:43,884 --> 00:29:44,985
you've invested a lot,
848
00:29:45,052 --> 00:29:46,486
you've been hurt a lot,
849
00:29:46,553 --> 00:29:48,288
and this is something
that's really important to you,
850
00:29:48,355 --> 00:29:50,824
and you'd ask him
to reconsider.
851
00:29:50,891 --> 00:29:53,393
- "I'm still here
if you change your mind.
852
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:55,495
"This is about me
and what I need.
853
00:29:55,562 --> 00:29:57,097
"As someone who cared about me,
854
00:29:57,164 --> 00:29:58,465
"I know this matters to you.
855
00:29:58,532 --> 00:30:00,000
I'll be here,
like, 20 more minutes."
856
00:30:00,067 --> 00:30:03,470
- All right, so let's
hope that he shows up.
857
00:30:03,537 --> 00:30:04,304
- Kay.
858
00:30:04,371 --> 00:30:07,307
[dramatic music]
859
00:30:07,374 --> 00:30:08,475
♪♪ ♪♪
860
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:12,880
[suspenseful music]
861
00:30:12,946 --> 00:30:14,915
I--I don't think
he's gonna come.
862
00:30:14,982 --> 00:30:17,484
- There's still cars coming in.
863
00:30:17,551 --> 00:30:18,619
- I think you come this far
864
00:30:18,685 --> 00:30:21,054
because you want
to share your truth.
865
00:30:21,121 --> 00:30:24,091
He just needed the nudge.
So I think he'll come back.
866
00:30:24,157 --> 00:30:26,493
- I just find it strange that
he came all the way out here
867
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,728
from New York
and then chickened out
868
00:30:27,794 --> 00:30:29,630
at the very last second.
869
00:30:29,696 --> 00:30:32,799
- I wish he got a chance
to hear how genuine you are.
870
00:30:32,866 --> 00:30:37,271
♪♪ ♪♪
871
00:30:37,337 --> 00:30:39,740
- This car is
sort of sitting there.
872
00:30:41,375 --> 00:30:43,110
Check it out
873
00:30:43,177 --> 00:30:45,779
before he pulls away, you know?
874
00:30:45,846 --> 00:30:52,753
♪♪ ♪♪
875
00:30:52,819 --> 00:30:53,754
Hey.
876
00:30:54,755 --> 00:30:55,956
- What's up?
877
00:30:56,023 --> 00:30:58,192
Are you Justin?
878
00:30:59,393 --> 00:31:01,128
- Thanks for coming back.
879
00:31:01,195 --> 00:31:02,329
A little nervous?
880
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:06,500
All right.
- So he came back.
881
00:31:06,567 --> 00:31:08,669
I'm interested to know if
that's the guy in the pictures.
882
00:31:08,735 --> 00:31:11,071
- I'm interested in a lot.
- Yeah...
883
00:31:11,138 --> 00:31:13,273
- Angela's eager to meet you.
884
00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:15,742
She's obviously curious
885
00:31:15,809 --> 00:31:19,379
and I think, now,
a bit concerned.
886
00:31:19,446 --> 00:31:21,915
- I guess it may be
that the difference
887
00:31:21,982 --> 00:31:25,619
is the strong independentness
of her and, you know,
888
00:31:25,686 --> 00:31:27,988
with her TikTok
and her online persona--
889
00:31:28,055 --> 00:31:30,457
online is a lot more,
you know, different,
890
00:31:30,524 --> 00:31:32,059
and most of my stuff is just--
- Right.
891
00:31:32,125 --> 00:31:33,927
- It doesn't feature myself.
- Sure, I mean,
892
00:31:33,994 --> 00:31:37,364
don't get me wrong--
Angela's also struggled,
893
00:31:37,431 --> 00:31:39,967
I think, with insecurity
and self-doubt.
894
00:31:40,033 --> 00:31:42,369
So I think you guys actually
have a lot more in common
895
00:31:42,436 --> 00:31:43,837
than you realize.
896
00:31:43,904 --> 00:31:44,805
- How's your heart?
897
00:31:46,139 --> 00:31:47,241
[chuckles]
898
00:31:47,307 --> 00:31:49,743
- It's fluttering.
899
00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:53,480
I got butterflies.
Heartbeat's out there.
900
00:31:53,547 --> 00:31:55,516
- I just feel so out of place,
901
00:31:55,582 --> 00:32:00,287
and it's nerve-racking.
It's crippling.
902
00:32:00,354 --> 00:32:03,156
My anxiety is just...
903
00:32:03,223 --> 00:32:04,858
- Sure.
I mean, I can't obviously
904
00:32:04,925 --> 00:32:06,293
change the way you feel,
but I think you should
905
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,396
come over there with me
and just see how it feels,
906
00:32:09,463 --> 00:32:10,964
and if you leave now,
907
00:32:11,031 --> 00:32:12,232
you'll always regret it.
908
00:32:12,299 --> 00:32:13,300
You'll always
feel bad about it,
909
00:32:13,367 --> 00:32:14,501
and you'll carry it forever.
910
00:32:14,568 --> 00:32:16,303
So the only way out
911
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:17,704
is in.
912
00:32:17,771 --> 00:32:21,575
- It's really embarrassing,
but I can't do it.
913
00:32:21,642 --> 00:32:23,310
- Well, at the very least,
Nev will come back
914
00:32:23,377 --> 00:32:25,546
with some answers for you.
- Mm-hmm.
915
00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:29,149
I just can't imagine,
like, it being this long
916
00:32:29,216 --> 00:32:30,751
to make a decision.
- Yeah.
917
00:32:30,817 --> 00:32:32,152
- I mean, what could
he be talking about
918
00:32:32,219 --> 00:32:34,254
that he can't tell me?
919
00:32:34,321 --> 00:32:36,023
- Let's just start small.
920
00:32:36,089 --> 00:32:37,558
Let me just open the door.
921
00:32:37,624 --> 00:32:39,092
You don't have to get out.
- I don't wanna open the door.
922
00:32:39,159 --> 00:32:40,594
I'm pretty much a coward.
923
00:32:40,661 --> 00:32:44,531
I--I think I'm better off
running off.
924
00:32:44,598 --> 00:32:46,767
- For better or for worse,
925
00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:48,435
you and only you
926
00:32:48,502 --> 00:32:50,304
got yourself this far.
927
00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:52,940
Clearly, it was something
you wanted to do.
928
00:32:53,006 --> 00:32:55,275
You just gotta
make that little leap,
929
00:32:55,342 --> 00:32:56,844
which is, honestly,
just open the door
930
00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:58,812
and take one step and it'll
be all--and that's it.
931
00:32:58,879 --> 00:33:01,515
♪♪ ♪♪
932
00:33:01,582 --> 00:33:03,083
Just take a second.
Think about it.
933
00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:04,718
- Okay.
934
00:33:04,785 --> 00:33:06,320
- The car hasn't pulled away.
935
00:33:06,386 --> 00:33:08,121
Window's up.
- Window's up.
936
00:33:08,188 --> 00:33:11,191
♪♪ ♪♪
937
00:33:11,258 --> 00:33:12,559
- Oh, he's coming to us.
938
00:33:12,626 --> 00:33:15,662
[dramatic music]
939
00:33:15,729 --> 00:33:19,433
- This is possibly
the most anxious,
940
00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:21,502
socially uncomfortable person
941
00:33:21,568 --> 00:33:23,403
I've ever encountered
on the show.
942
00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:26,006
- That says a lot.
- Yeah, yeah.
943
00:33:26,073 --> 00:33:27,708
He's got cold feet,
weak in the knees.
944
00:33:27,774 --> 00:33:30,010
He's just not giving
himself a chance
945
00:33:30,077 --> 00:33:31,678
and just assuming the worst.
946
00:33:31,745 --> 00:33:35,015
- Well, is he the pictures?
947
00:33:35,082 --> 00:33:36,016
- I couldn't really see him.
948
00:33:37,918 --> 00:33:40,621
- No way.
- Yeah, here he comes.
949
00:33:46,793 --> 00:33:47,861
- He's got cold feet,
weak in the knees.
950
00:33:47,928 --> 00:33:49,696
He's just not giving
himself a chance
951
00:33:49,763 --> 00:33:51,565
and just assuming the worst.
952
00:33:51,632 --> 00:33:54,635
- Well, is he the pictures?
953
00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:55,903
- I couldn't really see him.
954
00:33:57,771 --> 00:34:00,107
- No way.
- Yeah, here he comes.
955
00:34:00,174 --> 00:34:03,377
[dramatic music]
956
00:34:03,443 --> 00:34:04,378
- It's him.
957
00:34:07,214 --> 00:34:09,116
- [giggles]
- All right, hey, man.
958
00:34:09,183 --> 00:34:10,450
- Hey.
- Hello.
959
00:34:10,517 --> 00:34:12,219
- Hi, Justin.
- Glad you decided to join us.
960
00:34:12,286 --> 00:34:15,322
I wanna just
introduce myself formally.
961
00:34:15,389 --> 00:34:17,457
Pleasure--Nev.
Just Justin?
962
00:34:17,524 --> 00:34:18,592
- Yes.
- Gary's just, like,
963
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:20,360
your fanfiction name?
964
00:34:20,427 --> 00:34:22,029
Just clearing that up.
- [chuckles]
965
00:34:22,095 --> 00:34:23,564
- Justin, Shan.
- Hi.
966
00:34:23,630 --> 00:34:24,998
- Hello.
- Of course, Angela, you know.
967
00:34:25,065 --> 00:34:27,434
- Hello.
- Hi.
968
00:34:27,501 --> 00:34:29,803
Hi, nice to meet you.
- Can I give you a hug?
969
00:34:29,870 --> 00:34:31,839
- Sure.
- Nice to meet you.
970
00:34:31,905 --> 00:34:34,374
- Uh,
971
00:34:34,441 --> 00:34:37,845
as Nev has probably
already explained,
972
00:34:37,911 --> 00:34:39,713
I'm cripply nervous
about everything.
973
00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:41,481
Uh, uh...
974
00:34:41,548 --> 00:34:42,816
- I appreciate you
telling me that though.
975
00:34:42,883 --> 00:34:45,285
- Right, and I did think
it would only be proper
976
00:34:45,352 --> 00:34:47,354
to at least come out
and actually greet you
977
00:34:47,421 --> 00:34:50,190
and everything.
Um, I haven't really,
978
00:34:50,257 --> 00:34:53,360
I mean, not sure everything
that's been discovered,
979
00:34:53,427 --> 00:34:56,930
but, um, going through ending
a previous relationship
980
00:34:56,997 --> 00:34:59,533
has, you know,
981
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,535
put me in a certain spot,
982
00:35:01,602 --> 00:35:02,970
where I just--
983
00:35:03,036 --> 00:35:06,440
figuring out
my next step in life.
984
00:35:06,507 --> 00:35:08,175
- Justin, can just I ask you
a couple of questions
985
00:35:08,242 --> 00:35:10,043
just to clear some things up?
- Sure.
986
00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:12,279
- You said
your "previous relationship."
987
00:35:12,346 --> 00:35:14,214
Are you talking
about your marriage?
988
00:35:14,281 --> 00:35:15,582
You were married, right?
989
00:35:15,649 --> 00:35:18,018
- Yeah.
- Okay, and that's over now?
990
00:35:18,085 --> 00:35:20,020
You're fully broken up?
- Yeah.
991
00:35:20,087 --> 00:35:22,055
- Similar to you,
Angela just came out
992
00:35:22,122 --> 00:35:24,458
of a very
long-term relationship
993
00:35:24,525 --> 00:35:26,894
that was heartbreaking.
You're really the first person
994
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,195
that she's engaged with
995
00:35:28,262 --> 00:35:30,030
since this big devastation
in her life,
996
00:35:30,097 --> 00:35:31,765
and I think--would be curious
997
00:35:31,832 --> 00:35:34,902
to know, from what your
perspective is, how you felt.
998
00:35:34,968 --> 00:35:37,037
- You know, I try not to expect
too much out of people
999
00:35:37,104 --> 00:35:39,173
to avoid being hurt.
1000
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,742
Um, so I'm kind of
1001
00:35:41,808 --> 00:35:43,277
in just this middle ground
1002
00:35:43,343 --> 00:35:47,381
of just--I find someone
to talk to, we talk,
1003
00:35:47,447 --> 00:35:49,349
and
1004
00:35:49,416 --> 00:35:55,923
it just be something where I'm
just not looking for anything
1005
00:35:55,989 --> 00:35:59,259
or expecting anything.
1006
00:35:59,326 --> 00:36:01,795
- From what Angela remembers,
initially, after you had
1007
00:36:01,862 --> 00:36:03,997
commented on her--
one of her TikToks,
1008
00:36:04,064 --> 00:36:05,766
you had said,
"Oh, we should meet up."
1009
00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:07,701
At that moment,
when you asked her,
1010
00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:08,902
like,
1011
00:36:08,969 --> 00:36:10,571
were you serious
about meeting up, or...
1012
00:36:10,637 --> 00:36:12,573
- Yeah, I was.
- You were?
1013
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,509
- But I mean,
1014
00:36:15,576 --> 00:36:17,578
you don't
really expect anything.
1015
00:36:17,644 --> 00:36:19,012
You kind of just--it doesn't
really mean anything.
1016
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:20,781
- So you didn't necessarily
think it would happen?
1017
00:36:20,848 --> 00:36:23,750
- Right.
I didn't, um--
1018
00:36:23,817 --> 00:36:25,819
it's nothing new.
I've always been like this,
1019
00:36:25,886 --> 00:36:29,056
even with my close friends.
I don't always go through
1020
00:36:29,122 --> 00:36:30,324
with, uh, decisions.
- Right.
1021
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:31,725
- Not that
I lied about anything,
1022
00:36:31,792 --> 00:36:34,795
but I also, um...
1023
00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:36,129
- You sugarcoated it.
1024
00:36:36,196 --> 00:36:39,733
Like, you keep me coming back
for conversation.
1025
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,135
- Yeah, I tried my best--
- I told them I was satisfied
1026
00:36:42,202 --> 00:36:43,670
with the conversations also.
1027
00:36:43,737 --> 00:36:46,340
It was relieving to get
the good mornings,
1028
00:36:46,406 --> 00:36:47,908
the good evenings,
"How are you doing?"
1029
00:36:47,975 --> 00:36:50,444
That's why I was so comfortable
about the whole situation.
1030
00:36:50,511 --> 00:36:53,647
- And that's just genuinely,
you know,
1031
00:36:53,714 --> 00:36:55,516
that is genuinely me,
1032
00:36:55,582 --> 00:36:59,019
but, uh, right now, I just
don't know what I think.
1033
00:36:59,086 --> 00:37:01,154
I don't have any, um--
1034
00:37:01,221 --> 00:37:06,059
I don't have
any concrete idea of...
1035
00:37:06,126 --> 00:37:09,162
♪♪ ♪♪
1036
00:37:09,229 --> 00:37:11,665
Where I'm going.
1037
00:37:11,732 --> 00:37:14,301
♪♪ ♪♪
1038
00:37:14,368 --> 00:37:15,736
- But I do think
there's a big difference.
1039
00:37:15,802 --> 00:37:17,437
When we're trying
to not to hurt people,
1040
00:37:17,504 --> 00:37:20,541
we create loose boundaries
for who we might be,
1041
00:37:20,607 --> 00:37:22,176
rather than setting
clear boundaries
1042
00:37:22,242 --> 00:37:23,777
for who we know we are today.
1043
00:37:23,844 --> 00:37:26,613
So I think it could be really
impactful and powerful for you
1044
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,816
to just set a clear boundary
of, "Maybe I have to stop down,
1045
00:37:29,883 --> 00:37:31,185
"heal for myself.
1046
00:37:31,251 --> 00:37:32,519
"I'm not looking
to date right now,
1047
00:37:32,586 --> 00:37:34,655
but I am happy
to have met you."
1048
00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:36,123
- Yeah, um,
1049
00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:40,761
I definitely value our chatting
and our friendship.
1050
00:37:40,827 --> 00:37:44,865
I don't see anything
for the time being.
1051
00:37:44,932 --> 00:37:47,901
♪♪ ♪♪
1052
00:37:47,968 --> 00:37:51,271
That would be the most sincere
I could be about it.
1053
00:37:51,338 --> 00:37:53,173
- I get that.
I understand.
1054
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,175
- How about you?
What are you feeling,
1055
00:37:55,242 --> 00:37:56,243
now that
you guys have finally--
1056
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:57,945
- I can't see me be, you know,
1057
00:37:58,011 --> 00:37:58,912
not being friends with him.
1058
00:37:58,979 --> 00:38:00,347
I can't see me saying,
1059
00:38:00,414 --> 00:38:02,249
"I don't wanna speak to you
ever again" right now.
1060
00:38:02,316 --> 00:38:04,151
I'm still open
to being friends,
1061
00:38:04,218 --> 00:38:07,120
and I totally thank you
for coming
1062
00:38:07,187 --> 00:38:09,022
and putting yourself out there.
1063
00:38:09,089 --> 00:38:12,359
Like I said, I learned a lot,
and I do appreciate you coming
1064
00:38:12,426 --> 00:38:14,461
and explaining this
to me in person.
1065
00:38:14,528 --> 00:38:16,029
I'm happy we met.
- Me too.
1066
00:38:16,096 --> 00:38:17,598
- Okay.
1067
00:38:17,664 --> 00:38:19,700
- ♪♪ I found a reason ♪♪
1068
00:38:19,766 --> 00:38:23,370
- Okay, so then, I think
we're gonna head back.
1069
00:38:23,437 --> 00:38:26,106
Um, so we can move on
1070
00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:28,575
from all of this.
1071
00:38:28,642 --> 00:38:30,577
Sorry if I was a little pushy,
1072
00:38:30,644 --> 00:38:33,247
but I really felt
like it was the right thing.
1073
00:38:33,313 --> 00:38:36,750
I'm glad you chose
the way you did.
1074
00:38:36,817 --> 00:38:38,585
- Right.
- Yeah.
1075
00:38:38,652 --> 00:38:40,988
Y'all got to kind of
get through this together.
1076
00:38:41,054 --> 00:38:44,124
So--pleasure to meet you.
- Pleasure to meet you as well.
1077
00:38:44,191 --> 00:38:47,728
- And I'm just happy that you
guys are gonna stay in touch.
1078
00:38:47,794 --> 00:38:49,630
- Yes.
- This was my first time
1079
00:38:49,696 --> 00:38:51,398
on the case.
It was an honor.
1080
00:38:51,465 --> 00:38:52,799
I can't believe you're
actually the real person.
1081
00:38:52,866 --> 00:38:55,235
- [chuckles]
- So this is very,
1082
00:38:55,302 --> 00:38:56,570
very fascinating.
1083
00:38:56,637 --> 00:38:57,771
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you as well.
1084
00:38:57,838 --> 00:38:59,373
- It was a pleasure.
- Thanks again.
1085
00:38:59,439 --> 00:39:00,841
- No problem.
1086
00:39:00,908 --> 00:39:02,776
- ♪♪ In the end ♪♪
1087
00:39:02,843 --> 00:39:04,244
- Drive safe.
- Thank you.
1088
00:39:04,311 --> 00:39:06,113
- Take care.
- See you.
1089
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:09,116
- ♪♪ That's where I am ♪♪
1090
00:39:09,183 --> 00:39:10,284
- So what do you think?
1091
00:39:13,587 --> 00:39:15,656
- Yeah, stay in touch--
I don't think pursuing
1092
00:39:15,722 --> 00:39:17,291
any kind of relationship--
- No.
1093
00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:19,660
- But, you know,
hey, who knows?
1094
00:39:19,726 --> 00:39:22,496
- Well, this was an adventure.
1095
00:39:22,563 --> 00:39:24,698
- You guys taught me
a lot about myself and, um,
1096
00:39:24,765 --> 00:39:26,800
what I need to do
to move forward.
1097
00:39:26,867 --> 00:39:30,270
- ♪♪ It all works out
in the end ♪♪
1098
00:39:30,337 --> 00:39:32,072
- Thank you, guys,
for showing me the finest
1099
00:39:32,139 --> 00:39:34,141
that New Jersey has to offer--
1100
00:39:34,208 --> 00:39:36,043
Angela included.
1101
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:37,044
- Thank you.
1102
00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:42,249
♪♪ ♪♪
1103
00:39:42,316 --> 00:39:44,685
[doorbell rings]
- Angela, hey!
1104
00:39:44,751 --> 00:39:46,153
- What's up?
How are you doing?
1105
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:47,120
- Good.
What's going on?
1106
00:39:47,187 --> 00:39:48,622
Give me an update.
1107
00:39:48,689 --> 00:39:51,024
- I tried to, like, stay
back and forth with Justin,
1108
00:39:51,091 --> 00:39:52,993
but we never really
got to talk too much.
1109
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:55,696
- Well, are you happy that
you got a chance to meet him
1110
00:39:55,762 --> 00:39:57,464
and kind of figure it all out?
1111
00:39:57,531 --> 00:40:00,567
- Um, yes.
It gave me a taste of reality.
1112
00:40:00,634 --> 00:40:02,369
I think
he's still a nice person.
1113
00:40:02,436 --> 00:40:03,804
It's just--I wish
he would've been more honest.
1114
00:40:03,871 --> 00:40:05,939
- Yeah.
- It wouldn't have led to me
1115
00:40:06,006 --> 00:40:09,276
being so disappointed, but love
is gonna find its way to me.
1116
00:40:09,343 --> 00:40:10,511
I know that.
- I'm sure it will.
1117
00:40:10,577 --> 00:40:12,613
It was really lovely
1118
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:14,081
getting to meet you
and spend time with you.
1119
00:40:14,147 --> 00:40:15,716
- Really nice talking to you
and seeing you.
1120
00:40:15,782 --> 00:40:17,951
- Yeah, we'll talk soon.
- All right, bye.
1121
00:40:18,018 --> 00:40:19,319
[camera chimes]
1122
00:40:19,386 --> 00:40:21,255
[doorbell rings]
- Hey, Justin.
1123
00:40:21,321 --> 00:40:22,756
What's up, man?
- Hey.
1124
00:40:22,823 --> 00:40:24,925
- How are you feeling?
What about Angela?
1125
00:40:24,992 --> 00:40:27,160
Is that a friendship,
1126
00:40:27,227 --> 00:40:29,796
relationship that you're still
keeping in your life?
1127
00:40:29,863 --> 00:40:31,598
- I mean, we've talked
for a bit afterwards
1128
00:40:31,665 --> 00:40:33,500
and everything, and, uh,
1129
00:40:33,567 --> 00:40:35,502
but I don't think
it was too receptive.
1130
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:37,504
Some things need something
to continue forward,
1131
00:40:37,571 --> 00:40:39,206
and if it doesn't have that,
it--
1132
00:40:39,273 --> 00:40:41,508
more--like,
more of an effort...
1133
00:40:41,575 --> 00:40:44,444
- Um, I think a lot of people
will probably relate
1134
00:40:44,511 --> 00:40:47,581
to your anxiety.
- Mm-hmm.
1135
00:40:47,648 --> 00:40:49,016
- From this experience.
I know that wasn't easy.
1136
00:40:49,082 --> 00:40:52,319
But I hope that it's more
positive than negative.
1137
00:40:52,386 --> 00:40:54,454
Uh, I appreciate meeting you.
1138
00:40:54,521 --> 00:40:55,756
I think
you did the right thing.
1139
00:40:55,822 --> 00:40:57,124
- Yeah, I agree.
1140
00:40:57,191 --> 00:40:58,425
- All right, man, well,
good luck with everything
1141
00:40:58,492 --> 00:41:00,260
and, uh, hopefully,
everything will work out.
1142
00:41:00,327 --> 00:41:01,595
- Hopefully so.
Thank you.
1143
00:41:01,662 --> 00:41:03,063
I appreciate y'all.
- All right, later, man.
1144
00:41:17,211 --> 00:41:20,314
[slow electronic music]
1145
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:27,321
♪♪ ♪♪
1146
00:41:37,397 --> 00:41:44,304
♪♪ ♪♪
1147
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:51,245
- I'm back...
- Is she real?
1148
00:41:51,311 --> 00:41:52,746
We are glad to have you back,
1149
00:41:52,813 --> 00:41:54,781
because Sham has been
talking to Phillip,
1150
00:41:54,848 --> 00:41:56,483
but she's not seeing
the red flags.
1151
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:57,885
- I'm already
picturing our wedding.
1152
00:41:57,951 --> 00:42:00,287
I need to [bleep] know,
like, what is this?
1153
00:42:00,354 --> 00:42:01,688
- This is it.
- Whoa.
1154
00:42:01,755 --> 00:42:03,023
This is a one-of-a-kind home.
1155
00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:04,625
[doorbell rings]
1156
00:42:04,691 --> 00:42:05,659
- [gasps]
Somebody's coming.
1157
00:42:05,726 --> 00:42:06,827
Somebody's coming.
1158
00:42:06,894 --> 00:42:07,861
- Hello?