- ♪♪ MTV ♪♪
- Jacob, good-looking guy,
meets Stephanie via TikTok.
- She's just really cute, caring, supportive.
Said, "I love you." - Wow.
- Talked about marriage.
- Really?
- Oh, [bleep].
I shared so many [bleep] about me!
Like, I opened up! Like, what the [bleep]?
Oh, my God!
- Oh! - Oh, oh, someone's coming.
Someone's coming.
[suspenseful music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- What is that?
- I don't know. - No, you know what's--
what's in there. - [laughing] No, I literally
saw it sitting here.
- When I see a mysterious box...
- I actually don't know. - On the table,
I know what the [bleep] is up.
- You open it.
[laughs]
Don't shoot it at me. I don't know what's in there.
- I don't know what's in it.
You know what's in it. - Shoot it that way.
[toy farting]
Oh, my God.
- This is what they think of you guys.
That is disgusting. - Pretty good.
I mean, could you imagine if you were dating a guy
that went through a full proposal,
and that's what was inside?
[laughter]
Anyway, let's see what we got.
We got an email here.
Subject, "I don't wanna think the worst."
"Hey! How's it going, Nev and Kamie?
My name is Jacob, and I'm 18."
- Aw, fresh. A little baby.
- "I was working in Orlando, Florida,
"until a few weeks ago,
"when my mom broke her foot.
"She needed some help around the house,
"so I've been staying with her
"out in Colorado Springs, Colorado,
"for almost a month.
"I'm not 100% sure, but I might need your help.
"About nine months ago,
"I noticed this girl named Stephanie
coming into my lives on TikTok."
- ♪♪ I want you ♪♪
- "She was hot!"
- ♪♪ She wants, she wants ♪♪
♪♪ She wants, she wants to ♪♪
- "And I was newly single.
"She also seems super smart and supportive.
"I was always excited to talk to her
and hear her voice."
- ♪♪ She wants, she wants ♪♪
♪♪ She wants to love me ♪♪
- "She lives in New York City,
"but I move around a lot,
"so it wasn't a big deal.
"Recently, though, I realized
"I didn't know as much about her as I thought.
"When I asked her if she had more social media,
"she sent me a Facebook page
"that had a different last name
"than the one she had given me.
"I asked her about it.
"So far, she hasn't explained.
"The Facebook account also seems like a ghost account.
"There's nothing on it
but a picture of me."
Weird.
"Stephanie has a unique career,
always underground."
- She works in a bunker.
- "Which makes communicating a challenge.
"I don't want to doubt her
"or be too nosy.
"She's been there for me,
"and even though I'm only 18,
I can see myself settling down with her."
- ♪♪ She wants, she wants ♪♪
♪♪ She wants to love me ♪♪
- "I'd appreciate any help you can offer.
Please and thank you, Jacob G."
- ♪♪ Love me ♪♪
- Jacob G.
I'm trying to think of what job
works underground in New York City.
- Oh, she could work on the subways.
She could be a booth attendant--
- Yeah, but even the subway-- - Or, like, a MTA worker.
- Right. - But most places have Wi-Fi.
What if she works at, like, a morgue?
- Underground morgue in New York City?
- I don't know, I just imagined morgues being
sort of basement operations.
- I don't know.
- All right, let's give this guy a call.
[phone line trilling]
- Hello, is this Jacob?
- Hey, it's Nev and Kamie. - Yo.
- We just saw your email.
Have a lot of questions.
If we come to Colorado,
are we gonna get to meet your mom,
and should I bring her, like a--
- Harvest basket?
- For sure. All right, so sit tight.
We'll find a place to meet up and see what we can do
to help you out of this strange situation.
- All right, man, talk soon. - See you, Jacob.
- Whoa, baby.
- ♪♪ Fly ♪♪
♪♪ Fly away ♪♪
- This is nice.
- Colorado Springs.
- Such a cute town,
beautiful--look at this.
I mean, it's gorgeous. - Fresh air.
Let's text Jacob.
- ♪♪ Feelin' ♪♪
[phone dings] - Jacob says--
Oh! You got it--right there.
- Where? - Right there.
- Oh! Oh.
- Hey! - Aloha!
How's it going?
- Well, wait a second, we didn't--
you didn't say anything about moving in.
- Yeah!
- Hey.
- What's up, dude? - How's it going?
- Good to meet you. - It's good to meet you.
- I'm Kamie. - Oh, nice.
- So are we helping you meet a girl?
- No, so-- - Or did you just get
kicked out of your house, and you need
a place to stay? - So basically,
I'm gonna move in with you guys,
and then, uh, Stephanie's gonna come with us.
You know, we're just gonna be a big happy family.
- All right, well, let's go.
We got a place we can sit down. - He's 18.
This is legal. We could--we could take him.
- Yeah, we could take him across state lines.
- Here we go.
- Did you grow up in this neighborhood?
- Naw, I didn't. - Where'd you grow up?
- Well, I was born in Brooklyn,
and I kind of just moved around a lot.
I was in, like, foster homes,
and so they were just transferring me
state to state.
- How'd you end up in foster care?
- When my mom got out of the military,
she--I guess she had, like, PTSD and things like that.
So she really didn't know how to handle her emotions,
and she was always, like, hiding in the room and stuff,
and after that, just--
they sent me into the system, basically,
and from there, yeah,
I was just getting transferred
place to place, things like that.
- Wow. - At first, it was tough,
but I feel like, from all the pain and everything,
I feel like it just made me, like, a strong,
independent person. - Yeah.
- And so now you're living where?
- Uh, kind of everywhere.
I mean, my mom let me stay for, like, the month.
- So you don't really have, like, a home base right now?
- No.
- That's a lot of life to go through by 18.
- Now I'm here with you guys.
- Yeah, welcome.
- So since I know things at home are a little tense,
we got you a little Airbnb.
- Dang! - Yeah, that looks nice.
[door clicks open] All right.
Let's check it out.
- Ooh. - Oh, my God!
- This is a nice place.
- I'll get used to this.
- Wow. You got a little fireplace.
- It's lit. - I should bring
Stephanie here. - You know what?
We gotta find her first.
- Oh, yeah, we got a room for me and Stephanie's kids.
- Oh, my God. - Slow down--not too much
on the kids. - The bunk beds--
aw, you're already lookin'-- - Yeah.
- All right, well, let's-- let's sit down and talk.
[both sighing]
So before we talk about Stephanie,
you mentioned in your email
that you were "recently single"
when you met Stephanie.
- Yeah, so I was in Texas at the time.
I was with this one girl.
She's very beautiful,
but things just went a little sideways.
You know, I found out she was, like, seeing other guys
and things like that,
and I get very bad trust issues.
Like, and you can't really have a good relationship
if you're not trusting, you know what I'm saying?
Like, and I feel like my mom,
like, gave me away to, like, the foster homes--
it's like--I feel like that my mom gave me away.
So I kind of lost trust in women.
- Wow, yeah, that is-- that's rough.
So you kind of had your heart broken.
- Mm-hmm. - You're on Tiktok.
How do you meet Stephanie?
- So basically, I was just going live,
you know, posting.
Doing my little thirst traps or whatever,
and some girls would comment, like,
"You're so cute," or something.
I started noticing hers.
[upbeat music]
At first, I wasn't really peepin' it.
Like, I wasn't paying too much thought,
but I was seeing her name on my live,
and then I clicked her profile pic.
I'm like, "Damn, like, she kind of cute."
- So you saw her profile. Did she have videos?
- No, but that's regular, 'cause a lot of people
have TikTok accounts where they just watch
instead of create. - Okay.
- And then, um, she added me on Snapchat.
I added her back,
and we kind of started talking
from there.
- Okay, so you guys start talking on Snapchat.
- Yeah. - Did she send you pictures?
- Yeah, yeah, I have a few photos.
- And were they taken in Snap,
or were they camera roll?
- I d--definitely camera roll.
- So that's weird. - Yea, definitely,
like, things have been a little weird,
and I've been finding out little, like, little random
things that make no sense.
She has no pages, no social media.
It's like she's a ghost,
and we--I found her Facebook,
and the only thing that's on it is a picture of me.
- Which is--what is that?
- It's weird, right? - Super weird.
- Weird--and then I asked her what her last name was,
and she said that her last name was Love, right?
But then I go on the Facebook,
and it says her last name is Delgado.
So who the [bleep] is Delgado?
And when she told me her job--
I think the whole situation's a little bit strange.
- What's her job?
- She's a mortician.
- I said it!
- [laughing] You did say that.
- I said it!
- She works at a [bleep] morgue.
- Wow. - To me, it's odd.
Like, working with dead bodies and [bleep].
She actually sent me a picture, like the caskets and stuff.
She's like, "Yeah, we had, like, a few bodies
come in today." - Oh, my God.
- I was like, "I don't even wanna know."
Look. - Mm.
Oh, my God.
- She said these all came in?
- Yeah, she said, "Hey, sorry, I had a long day.
12 bodies came in." I didn't even ask.
Like, I didn't even wanna ask. - I wouldn't either.
- And then, this is her?
- Yeah, and I have more pictures of her.
- She's definitely fine.
- She fine as hell. - And here's another one.
- And these are all the same girl.
- For a girl who doesn't have any social media,
she certainly has a lot of nice pictures of her...
- Mm. - All ready to send.
- Yeah.
- All right, so she's very pretty.
- Gorgeous. - So tell us everything
you do know about Stephanie.
- So she's 22. She's from New York.
She lives on her own, but she told me
that she's in Washington,
because she's visiting family.
- Mm-hmm. - Interesting, okay.
How often are you guys talking?
- See, this is the problem.
It's a little difficult, because
since she's a mortician, she's always underground,
so she has bad service. - Right.
- I was wanting to FaceTime,
but I didn't wanna be too pushy
and make her uncomfortable or anything like that.
- At what point, then, did you exchange phone numbers?
- She sent me her number, actually, recently.
- Oh. - Before then, we were just
talking on Snap. - Do you do voice calls?
- Yeah. - She had a voice that you feel
matches how she looks?
- Yeah, she sounds like a young woman, yeah.
- What's her personality like?
- She's just really cute, caring, supportive.
Just her always being there, no matter what,
it's just--it's really hot.
♪♪ ♪♪
I feel like the connection is beyond, like, looks.
- ♪♪ Running all around my brain ♪♪
- I'd say, "I love you."
- Wow. - We talked about marriage.
- Really?
- ♪♪ You're running all around my brain ♪♪
- Sounds to me like you really feel an emotional connection.
- Yeah, I feel like the emotional part
is definitely the strongest.
- Have you guys talked about meeting up?
- So I told her I was waiting.
Like, I told her I was gonna save enough money
so that I could take her out,
treat her like a queen, and things like that.
So I guess the only thing we're really waiting on
is just me to get my money right.
- Right. - That's nice.
- All right.
Well, send us everything you have.
We'll see if we find anything
and go from there. - Sounds good.
- Good to meet you. [smooches]
- I'll see you guys soon. - We'll see you tomorrow.
- No parties. - [laughs]
- Yeah, or you're grounded.
[laughter]
Definitely, she's not the girl in the pictures,
for sure. - Yeah, I mean, look,
he knows there are red flags. - Yeah.
- But his emotional brain
is flickering on. - Yeah.
- Because he's met a woman who has shown him that
emotional intimacy... - Mm-hmm.
- Is a very real, important part
of life and love. - Yeah.
- He's young, very vulnerable.
he's had a really rough life.
If this girl isn't real,
this could get really ugly.
- Time to investigate.
What a morning. This is--
this is beautiful.
- All right, so here we are. - Mm-hmm.
- Trying to help Jacob.
He's 18--good-looking guy,
grown up in a less-than-ideal way--
getting moved around, in and out of foster care.
Like, he's had--you know,
he's had to sort of make his own way.
- Yeah, and still is.
- Meets a girl via Tiktok.
- Stephanie.
- Quickly starts chatting,
talking on Snap.
They hit it off.
He's in a very strange crossroads in his life,
because he doesn't have a place to live,
and I think he's hoping that,
somehow, this could work out with this girl.
The problem is her almost
complete lack of social media presence.
- Well, it's hard to post pictures to Instagram
when you're underground in the mortuary.
- Mm, that's right.
All right, here we go-- Jacob G.
"Hey, Nev and Kamie, I really appreciate you guys
"coming out here to help me.
"I hope we're going to find out some good news
"when you investigate.
"Here's the information I have for Stephanie.
"She's 22, lives in Manhattan,
"and is a mortician.
Here's the phone number she sent me,"
and the link to her Facebook,
Tiktok handle, and her Snapchat.
"I've attached the pictures that I have of her.
Thank you, Jacob G."
All right, let's download these pictures.
Let's start with the body bag picture.
Body bags.
Let's see what we get.
Oh, psh.
It's a stock photo.
- [laughs]
Hospital morgue at its full capacity.
- Okay. - Oh, my God.
- So the body bags picture--
obviously not something she took,
which makes me pretty confident that
it's probably not true that she works...
- No. - As a mortician.
- Like, why would you make that up?
- So now I think we should just search
pictures of her. You wanna do this one?
Okay.
I'm feelin' like we're gonna get a hit here.
- Mm-hmm. - For sure.
- Oh, that's definitely her.
- That's definitely her.
Let's see what this website is.
Party 50 Fridays--
okay, so it's just like, uh, party pictures.
Okay.
So there's this picture, which is her and her friend.
Okay, let's search this friend's face.
- Oh, yeah, maybe her friend's face
might come up. - So if we can find friend,
then there's a good chance,
if they're close,
she might be on her Instagram.
- Right. - Ah!
There she is.
That's the friend, right?
- That's her. - Whoa.
- Who is that though?
- I don't know.
What is this?
It's like a high school-- - Sports.
- Ooh, yes!
- Lisbeth. - All right, got something.
- She was a sophomore in 2011.
- All right, so Lisbeth [bleep].
Let's see if we can find her on Instagram.
Ah, is that her?
I think that is, right? - That's her.
Check the tag-- and the followers.
We can see.
- Are we really gonna scroll
through a thousand accounts, looking for Stephanie?
- If that's even her name.
Wait, go back.
That's her.
Janelle! - [gasps]
[sighs] - [laughs]
Janelle, Janelle, Janelle. - Oh, there's the pic.
both: There it is.
- Mayumi, Janelle Mayumi.
- Mm. - 23,000 followers.
- Mm. - Lots of pics.
Here's the other pic that he has of her,
but there's obviously a lot more pictures.
- Mm-hmm.
- She's in Miami, Florida.
All right.
Let's send this girl a message.
This girl's a model, not a mortician,
and definitely not the girl
who Jacob's talking to.
Sent.
- So then who is he talking to?
We need to look up that phone number.
- All right, yes, let's look up the phone number.
[dramatic music]
Nothing. All right.
So nothing with the phone.
- The Facebook that she sent him with his picture.
- Oh, right.
Okay, so here's the Facebook page,
which is just a banner picture of him,
but a profile picture of her.
- Not her. - It says, "Fun, energetic,
family-oriented, and talking to my future husband."
Lives in New York, from Brooklyn,
in a relationship--okay.
But this page has been up since 2016.
- Mm-hmm.
- So probably was a different page,
and then she just... - Mm-hmm.
- Wiped it clean
and turned it into this weird
relationship page.
What else do we have?
[clicking tongue] - I give up.
I feel like this is gonna be one of those situations
where we're at whoever-this-is' mercy
to tell us the truth--
like, to present to them what it is that we know...
- Right. - And have them come forward.
- I think knowing what we now know,
we can tell that to Jacob,
and we can go to-- directly to Stephanie
and say, "Hey, look,
"we already know
"a lot of what you told him isn't true.
Why don't you start telling us something that is?"
- [sighs] Poor Jacob.
I mean, he's definitely gonna be bummed.
- Yeah. - It would be one thing
if it wasn't the girl in the pictures.
- Mm-hmm. - But the fact that
it looks like everything she's told him is not true...
- Mm-hmm. - That's rough.
Okay.
- Hello. - ♪♪ Hello ♪♪
- Welcome to my humble abode.
- Oh, thank you. Cozy!
- It is nice and cozy.
- [sighs]
- All right.
Well, where are you with everything?
I mean, look, I know, yesterday, you were excited.
- Yeah. - But where are you today?
- Feeling a little anxious.
I'm just really hoping
that this is, like, for real.
For real, for real.
But I'm ready for you guys to, like, tell me what's up.
Let's see where things go.
- So let me show you what we found.
All right.
Let's talk about what we're dealing with here, okay?
- Okay. - So we downloaded
all the photos that you sent us.
We thought, "Let's start there.
"Let's see if we can find out
"if these pictures that she sent,
"both of her and of the bodies in the morgue,
if they're really who she says they are."
- Yeah.
- So we searched this picture, kay?
- Mm-hmm. - And when we ran the photo,
we found a hit.
It's a stock photo.
- Oh, man.
- Okay? So it exists on the internet,
where she clearly found this picture.
She did not take this photo.
- [sighs]
- So if she lied about this picture,
I think it's safe to say there's a good chance
she's not a mortician.
- Oh, my God.
- The next thing we did was we looked up her photo,
and the first photo we looked up was this one,
and it came back with a facial recognition match
to a girl.
It took us to this party page,
and when you go another photo over,
we find a picture of her with a friend.
So we searched the friend,
and we got some hits.
So that took us to her Instagram page,
where we took a look at the followers
to see if we could find an account
with Stephanie's photos,
and we found a Janelle Mayumi.
We went to her page,
and we found this.
This is Janelle.
She's a model in Miami.
The person you're talking to has been stealing
this girl's photos.
[somber music]
So all the pictures you have of her
can be found on this Instagram,
which goes back pretty far.
Everything about this page to us
felt very real.
A lot of comments.
She's tagged in photos.
I mean, clearly, that's not who you're talking to.
- [sighs]
That's crazy.
♪♪ ♪♪
[sighs]
Honestly, I don't even know how to feel right now.
♪♪ ♪♪
[sighs]
[door slams]
- I think he's been shaking the whole time.
- [screams] [object slams]
[screaming]
- [whispers] Yeah.
[tense music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- [sighing]
- You okay?
- Oh, my [bleep] God, dude.
[sighs]
I'm [bleep] done.
♪♪ ♪♪
Oh, my [bleep] God.
[bleep].
♪♪ ♪♪
- You all right?
- No.
I think you have to give it words,
so it's not just, like, building up inside of you.
- If I give it words, I'ma get really mad.
- It's okay.
- [sighs]
- Well, if you want for us to go through the rest quickly--
- Yeah, let's go.
- We just--we looked up the phone number.
We tried to find if that was the real girl's Facebook.
We looked up the phone number.
Nothing came back on any website.
At this point, because we can't find anything
on the actual person that you're talking to,
we're really at their mercy
as to whether or not they're gonna come forward
and tell you the truth.
- You sure you wanna keep going now?
- Yeah, I wanna figure out who the [bleep] I'm talking to.
- So I know that you're pissed off,
and I would be [bleep] pissed off too,
but if you want real answers,
we're going to have to play a little bit of a game.
- [shouting] Who the [bleep] am I talking to, bro?
Who the [bleep] is this dumbass bitch right here?
I've been talking to some fake-ass bitch!
Like, what? I shared so many [bleep]
about me, like, I opened up!
Like, what the [bleep]?
[sighs]
Oh, my God!
- Who the [bleep] am I talking to, bro?
I've been talking to some fake-ass bitch!
Like, what the [bleep]?
[sighs]
Oh, my God!
Oh, my [bleep] God.
[screams]
- Makes me so sad. - Mm-hmm.
- He just has so much pain.
He's already been through so much [bleep] pain.
It's like really...
- We could chill here for a minute.
- [sighs]
You know how--dude,
it takes so much to my trust in somebody!
[panting]
[bleep] never ends, bro!
Nah, let's figure out who the [bleep] this is, bro,
'cause I don't--
who does [bleep] like that?
- It's all right.
[dramatic music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- All right, we'll get through it.
- [sighs]
I just know I'm not gonna be able to trust nobody.
- We got you. We also don't have to do this
any more today, by the way. - Okay.
♪♪ ♪♪
I feel like [bleep] right now.
- All right, well, here's what we were thinking.
Maybe we can go back to the hotel,
leave you to chill.
We can reach out to her. - Yeah.
- Find out where she is. We'll update you later,
and then we'll figure out a plan, and--
- I appreciate you guys.
♪♪ ♪♪
- Talk to you later, bud.
- Yup. - Kay.
I'll talk to you soon. - Mm-kay.
- Thank you.
[sighs] Oh, my gosh.
How are we gonna handle this one?
He's been through so much.
Like, his life is already been
kicking his [bleep] ass,
and he's only 18 years old. - Yeah.
Also, that was the reaction
just to finding out what we don't know about Stephanie.
- Right. - Who knows what we'll actually
discover and how that'll affect him.
- Right. Is he prepared
to deal with that? - Yeah, let's text Stephanie
tonight and see if we can get her to meet up,
but I think we have to really think
about what's best for Jacob in this situation
and if meeting her is even something we should do.
- [sighs] It kind of depends
on who she really is.
But I don't know.
♪♪ ♪♪
- Okay, last night, we got a text
from Stephanie, and she wants to meet.
Here we go. - Hey.
- I have updates from Stephanie.
She says, "You can meet me
"at my friend's house in Spokane.
Here's the address."
So if you're down, we have to kind of roll the dice here
and just hope for the best.
You sure you're up for this?
- Yeah. - Yeah, so let's hit the road.
- ♪♪ The heart you keep ♪♪
♪♪ Would barely miss a beat ♪♪
♪♪ Novocaine ♪♪
♪♪ To numb the pain ♪♪
♪♪ Forever, I'll be drifting away ♪♪
♪♪ It's all the same ♪♪
♪♪ Trash my name ♪♪
♪♪ Floating, wasted, drifting away ♪♪
♪♪ So tell me I'm just a fool ♪♪
- Whoo!
- ♪♪ Tell me ♪♪
- Whoo!
- ♪♪ Tell me, tell me ♪♪
- Washington, baby.
Let's text Stephanie.
[phone dings] Said, "I need a few hours."
Why don't we go to our hotel?
We'll check in, and then, hopefully,
we'll hear from her. - I'll try to keep my calm,
but if it's a dude, I'm beating the [bleep] out of him.
- Either way, I hope whoever they are,
they're respectful.
That's the most important thing.
- ♪♪ Do I just push them all away? ♪♪
♪♪ Now, the heart I keep ♪♪
- This is it.
- ♪♪ Keeps breaking on repeat ♪♪
♪♪ Novocaine ♪♪
[message swooshes] - Oh, boy.
We got an update.
"I'm ready now. You can come over."
- Mm-kay. - "Okay, gonna head over soon."
[message swooshes] All right, let's get in the car
and tell Jacob to meet us in the car.
- All right. - Pull around.
- So what are we gonna do when this girl doesn't come outside?
'Cause that's--
Hi. - Hello.
- Are you guys here filming an episode, or...
- Oh. - Yeah.
- Are you here for last year's catfish?
- We did an episode in Spokane. - Did we?
- Right around the corner. - Wait, which one?
- Last year? I'm tryna think--
- He lives around here, not that far away.
- Who lives around here? - I think his name is Isaax.
- Isaax!
- Uh, hi, guys.
- Oh, my-- - Isaax was the one
with the hotel. - Wait, no.
- The--with the-- - Sorry, you guys,
I gotta go to work. - Hold on--oh.
You work here? - Yeah, I do.
- Oh, okay, anyway, thanks.
- Isaax was the one-- - Who had the friend
come on camera?
- I just wanted to say
that I wanted to apologize.
- Yes! - Well, that--
- Yes, the woman! He had the woman
come on camera-- - Right, from that--
Who was that woman
that was just talking to us?
- Um, that--that wasn't her talking.
That was me. - Oh, that was you talking.
- I need evidence.
- [as a woman] Hi, and how are you?
- He had the woman come on camera--
- With the voice thing. - Yes.
- He lives close by, but we never met up with him,
because we just videochatted. - We did a virtual one,
because it was the pandemic. - Oh, my God.
- He was talking to fine-ass Bryn.
- Bryn! With a Y.
- Bryn was talking to--to--
what was her name? - Stephanie--
Stephanie! It was Stephanie!
It was--oh, my God.
- [laughing] Son of a bitch. What?
- Oh, my God.
It is all coming back to me.
- It's Isaax. - It's gotta be him.
- Bryn was also on Tiktok, just like Jacob.
- Jesus.
- Both cute, young guys-- - Catfishing for young men.
- And Isaax said that he knew how to turn 'em.
- In the past, I've catfished,
and I go for straight guys.
I've came clean to them,
and it ended up being a relationship.
- Well, Isaax, even though you've done it in the past,
and it's worked out for you, that doesn't make it right.
You are perpetuating this stereotype
that gay guys are out to turn straight men.
And I got on his ass,
and here we are again?
- We clearly didn't get through to him.
- Jacob, earlier, said if it's a guy...
- Right. - "I'm gonna knock him
the [bleep] out." We can't bring Jacob to that.
There's no [bleep] way.
- Maybe we should go over there first.
- Yes. - Make sure that whoever it is
is cool and not gonna blow things up with Jacob.
- Yeah. - And then, potentially,
tomorrow, bring Jacob to meet up.
- Yeah, clearly. - 'Cause Isaax--
didn't he have--wasn't he also, like, sassy with Bryn?
- I see it differently.
- We know you see it differently.
- What is love?
If Bryn ever gets that wild hair in his ass
and, you know, he wants to call Stephanie,
I'm still here.
- [sighs] - But luckily,
Bryn... - Was chill.
- Handled it very, very well. - And wasn't in the room.
- Exactly.
- Tell him, like, "Hey, we're gonna go check this out."
[phone line trilling]
- Hey, buddy.
- How are you feeling?
- A'ight, so look, today has been a long day.
You got a bad headache. Your back is hurting.
Why don't you just chill?
Kamie and I are gonna go
and just sort of scout it out a little bit.
- Mm-hmm.
- And then, once we have some more info,
we'll check back in with you in the morning.
- All right, we'll talk to you soon.
- Bye. - Well, that, unfortunately,
works out. - Ay, yi, yi.
Oh, my God.
- This is [bleep].
This is really [bleep].
I hope it's not him.
- I know, but at this point,
I feel like, what are the chances?
It's gotta be him.
♪♪ ♪♪
This--this is it.
♪♪ ♪♪
All right.
Here goes nothing.
- Oh, my God.
- All right.
- Go on, Nev. It's all on you.
I'm not going over there.
[suspenseful music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- I saw someone in there.
♪♪ ♪♪
- Oh, there is a side door over there.
- How do you even get to it?
[loud click] - [gasps]
- Oh, oh, someone's coming.
Someone's coming.
- Oh.
- Hey, guys.
- Oh, God. - [laughs]
Isaax, bring your ass on outside.
- Oh, my God.
- Come on.
- You got--you got your runway.
- Yeah. - Here it is.
Give us the show, Isaax.
- Mm-hmm, careful, steady.
What's the look?
What's it giving?
- It's giving wedding.
- To? - To Jacob.
- Looks more like a funeral.
- Well, thankfully, he didn't come,
because I don't think that he needs to be a part
of your circus.
- Well, that's unfortunate,
'cause I feel like that we could definitely
work something out.
- There's no [bleep] way!
- In your eyes, but in my eyes...
- Isaax, has he ever given you
any indication that he would be interested in men?
- No, but that'd be a question I'd have to ask,
'cause we never-- it never got to that.
- So you talked to him for nine months,
and you didn't figure that out? - No.
- Then maybe you should start dating as yourself
and stop playing these games.
- In your eyes, it's probably
gonna be, like, a game, but it's not a game to me.
I really do care about him.
- But Jacob's--even-- even if Jacob were gay,
he's 18.
You're, like, 40.
- Uh-huh. - He's too young for you.
You should be dating men-- men.
- Says who? - It's just weird.
It's inappropriate.
- But it's not even just his age that's inappropriate.
Everything that you've been doing is inappropriate.
We talked about this already.
- This is how I am though, and I know that people
are not gonna, you know, accept certain things,
but they can always walk away.
They have the option right after that.
- But they don't have the option for the nine months
that they've been talking to you.
It's not cool to constantly
be setting traps for people
despite the clear identification
that people make for their own sexuality.
You choose to trick them into these relationships
and then be like, "Hey, it's actually been me
the whole time." - You guys don't see the--
you don't see what's behind the eyes of, like, the catfish.
We go through a lot of pain,
and we express ourselves in different ways.
- I totally feel you on that,
but I'm gonna tell you right now.
Nobody gives a [bleep] about your pain
when you come like this,
with the theatrics-- - Kay, that's--
that sounds great, but I was talking to Nev.
- And--right. - Well, look--
- I'm talking to you now.
So what I'm saying-- - Well, I was talking to Nev.
- What I'm saying still stands.
You're lucky that you're talking on the show at all--
again.
The problem is that I think you're a clown,
and I think that your behavior is clown behavior,
and you are hurting a lot of people.
Does Jacob deserve that?
Jacob's been [bleep] up all day,
and not once did you ask about him.
So do you actually care about him?
- I do care about him.
- No, this doesn't feel like the type of introduction
someone who knew Jacob and cared about him
and was hoping to make their case
and just say, "Hey, look,
"I know I lied to you,
but I'm actually a really sweet person who cares about you."
Like, this, to me, says, like,
"It's my show. This is on TV.
"This is my spotlight.
"I don't give a [bleep] about you.
I'm just here--" - Not true.
- Well, I'm just saying-- - That's what it's giving.
Let me ask you a question.
Is he the only guy that you talk to?
[dramatic music]
- No. - Exactly.
Look, if we had brought Jacob,
already emotionally sort of torn up,
and you'd walked out in this look,
I don't think he would've reacted well.
He's in a very tough moment of his life.
Based on the reaction he had to just finding out
that Stephanie wasn't the girl in the pictures,
he was more upset than I think I've ever seen
anyone on the show,
and that's partly compounded by the fact
that his life has been a disaster,
and now he's gonna find out
that the girl that might have
been some sort of hopeful future for him
not only lied to him, but is you.
- You know,
I really do wanna talk to him,
and I really do wanna see him. I do care about him,
even though others don't think so.
- All right, well, anyway, let us talk to Jacob.
I don't want you to get too cold,
'cause if I'm cold, you must be cold.
- You look good though, Kamie. - Thank you.
You look gorgeous, and I wish that you would
do this all the time--as you. - We love it.
- I know, but I-- - But I'm not [bleep]
with that other [bleep]. - You're a beautiful girl...
- Thank you, Isaax.
- You just have an ugly soul.
[sharp dramatic tone]
- Let's go back to LA.
- Bye-bye, you guys have a good one.
- Don't trip, baby. Walk slow.
This mother[bleep] is crazy!
♪♪ ♪♪
- He's talking to lots of guys.
- He doesn't give a [bleep] about Jacob.
- It's not even like Jacob is actually someone
that he genuinely cares about.
- Jacob is not going to go for this.
- I don't think he needs to have Isaax try to, like,
sprinkle his fairy dust on him. - No.
- And--right--tell him that I love you.
- Jesus. We can't bring Jacob to that.
This isn't gonna end well. - Right.
- What are we gonna do about Jacob?
Because he obviously wants to know what's going on.
- Yeah, I mean, I'm glad he didn't come with us.
That would not have been a good situation.
- Even if we met Isaax last night,
and he had come out and been like, "I feel terrible.
"I can't believe I did this again.
"I can't stop, I have a problem.
I'm so sorry--" he didn't say any of that.
He came out like, "Hey, here I am.
I'm ready to get married to Jacob."
- There's no humility. There's no remorse.
He has--he has none of that. - Right,
and Jacob, you know, he doesn't need any more drama.
He's a wreck. So look,
we have a clip from last night
that we can show him so he can see who he is
and hear a little bit from Isaax.
- Mm-hmm. - Hopefully, you know,
it's enough for him to move on.
So I guess we should bring him down.
- I'm nervous.
[phone line trilling]
- You sound good.
- We have, uh, some things to talk about,
so why don't you head on down?
- All right.
- He just recovered, and now this.
- [sighs] [knock at door]
Here he is.
- Hey. - Hello.
- Good to see you.
Welcome.
- We wanted to give you a little update.
So last night,
we decided we were gonna go
meet up with Stephanie, just like I said--
to scout things out, see what was up.
As we were leaving the hotel,
a girl who was coming into work noticed us,
said, "Hey, oh, my God, 'Catfish,'"
and, you know, I just thought like,
"Okay, it's a fan of the show,"
and then she asked us,
"Oh, does this have anything to do with that last episode
that took place from this area?"
We were like, "No, no, no,
we're here filming a new episode."
But then we thought,
"Wait a second, we did do an episode,"
like, over a year ago when we were still virtual,
where a young guy was talking to a girl named Stephanie
from this part of Washington
who had catfished him,
and it occurred to us that this could be the same catfish.
We didn't know for sure.
But when we went over to "Stephanie's" house,
we discovered that it was, in fact,
the same person who had catfished this guy, Bryn,
and based on how upset, rightfully, you are,
like, that you're dealing with your own
emotional pain-- - We didn't feel like
it was appropriate, after everything you've been through,
for this person to even be in your presence.
- We don't think
there's any reason for you to talk to them,
but we could show you a video,
so that you know, at least,
who you were talking to.
- The catfish is, like, who?
- Well, I can show you. - It's a guy or a girl?
- Why don't I just show you? - Okay.
[dramatic music]
- Ready?
- You're [bleep] kidding.
- This is Isaax.
He's 41.
He's gay,
and...
- He's a clown. - He likes talking
to straight young men in the hopes that they might
be curious and eventually learn
that it's him they're talking to
and choose to pursue a relationship with him.
- Damn. [sighs]
What the [bleep] is he wearing?
- Well, the first thing he said when he came out
was that this was his wedding outfit.
He was looking forward to marrying you.
But he's a clown. - He's a clown.
- I mean, he's--he's-- he's a theatrical disaster.
He did think he was gonna be meeting you.
We didn't tell him you weren't coming.
So I think he thought he would--he would come on TV,
show up in this sort of peacocky outfit,
you would magically find him
attractive and choose to engage
with him in some sort of relationship.
- I'd like to have a word with him.
But I feel like I can get through to him
that this is not okay.
- Well, we tried last night.
- But you guys tried with words.
I'm not talking about with words.
- Right, we don't think that's a good idea for you.
- He's not a person who listens or cares.
- He's just gonna keep doing that [bleep].
I just think he's gonna hurt so many people,
so I mean, I might as well just hurt him.
- But hurting him just hurts you.
- It hurts you more than it hurts him.
- And I can't, in good conscience,
put you in a situation
that could end up
with someone getting hurt physically.
It's just not worth it.
- Understandable.
- Isaax way more years
behind him than he has ahead of him,
and you have way more amazing years ahead of you,
and we don't want for you to jeopardize that
over his dumb ass.
- If you want for your own peace of mind
to know that you've said
whatever you need to say to him,
we can call him. - Yeah.
I really would like to talk.
- All right. I'm calling Isaax.
[phone line trilling]
[static droning]
Hello?
- Hey, Isaax. [static droning]
Are you driving?
Oh, that's better.
Okay.
What's up, man?
- What's your problem?
- This is Jacob. - Yo.
- Unfortunately, we--we-- we are not in a position
that, um, allows us to have
a conversation face-to-face with you.
For everybody's safety,
we think it's probably best that we don't.
So if there's anything you do wanna say to him,
this might be your best
and last chance to do that.
- So basic--what it comes down
to is you're not gonna be meeting Jacob.
- But we want to, at least, give you the chance
to say something yourself now
without us, um, interpreting or saying it for you.
- It's not--it's not happening.
- The answer is no.
- For everyone's sake.
- Okay, well, you could've said something in--by--already
if you wanted to. - If you have something
that you want to say to him,
if you want to apologize to him,
that only takes a few seconds.
- [bleep] you and your apology.
You're a goofy [bleep].
- You know, this--this--this is the last sort of chance
you'll have if there's anything else that
you feel like you need to say.
- All right, well--oh. [line beeping]
He hung up.
- Tell him, "I don't want to talk to you, bitch.
Bye."
He's annoyed that he doesn't get to come back on the show.
- I know. - He just wanted to have
another moment on the camera.
That's all he cares about. - Okay, well, I'm glad
that you, at least, got to tell him
that he is [bleep] up,
'cause that's true.
The sooner you can put Isaax out of your mind,
the better off you'll be.
- You will laugh about it one day.
- [sighs]
- We get it.
We [bleep] get it.
Trust me.
- You know, a lot of my time is not
gonna be wasted anymore, you know what I'm saying?
I just feel like a lot more pressure's gone,
and at least I know that I'm not talking
to a [bleep] clown anymore.
- Yeah.
- So crazy.
- And now, if you do put yourself back out there
and you do start dating, like,
you know how much you've been through
and how much you've overcome.
What I want for you is the women
that you do try to pursue--
'cause there'll be plenty of girls
coming your way-- I want you to only focus
on the ones that actually show up for you,
and I know the women in your life have not shown you that,
but the right girl is out there for you,
and you will find her.
- All right. - So glad I have
a therapy appointment tomorrow.
There's no way she's gonna believe this.
[laughs]
- Okay, I'd like to stop thinking about Isaax.
- Should we jump on the bed?
- Just like... - I feel like it'd be fun.
- That'd be so fun. - Yeah.
- Sure. - Let's do it.
- I'm a little too old for that.
- Come on! - That looks so fun.
Whoo!
- Whee!
Come on, Nev!
[head thuds] all: Oh!
[laughter]
- Wow.
- I'm never doing that again.
[rock music]
♪♪ ♪♪
[upbeat music]
♪♪ ♪♪
- With Carmella, maybe within, like, five minutes,
I felt, like, an instant connection.
- What is this big lie
that she's so afraid to tell him?
both: Oh. - Wow.
She just sent a picture of her.
"Nev and Kamie, I am real."
- Oh, my God!
[doorbell rings]
Oh.
- Hi. - Hello.