1 00:00:01,935 --> 00:00:03,737 - ♪♪ MTV ♪♪ 2 00:00:03,804 --> 00:00:06,473 - With Carmella, maybe within like five minutes, 3 00:00:06,540 --> 00:00:08,775 I felt, like, an instant connection, like it had been 4 00:00:08,842 --> 00:00:10,377 someone I've been talking to for, like, years. 5 00:00:10,444 --> 00:00:11,812 - What is she hiding? 6 00:00:11,879 --> 00:00:15,582 What is this big lie that she's so afraid to tell him? 7 00:00:15,649 --> 00:00:17,050 [phone chimes] both: Oh. 8 00:00:17,117 --> 00:00:18,819 - Wow, she just sent a picture. 9 00:00:18,886 --> 00:00:20,320 It's a picture of her. 10 00:00:20,387 --> 00:00:22,689 "Nev and Kamie, I'm real." - Oh, my God. 11 00:00:22,756 --> 00:00:24,324 [doorbell rings] 12 00:00:24,391 --> 00:00:27,261 [suspenseful music] 13 00:00:27,327 --> 00:00:29,029 Ooh! 14 00:00:29,096 --> 00:00:30,063 - Hi. 15 00:00:30,130 --> 00:00:31,465 - Hello. 16 00:00:31,532 --> 00:00:34,001 [dramatic musical sting] 17 00:00:34,301 --> 00:00:37,070 - All right. - Everyone was sick. 18 00:00:37,137 --> 00:00:38,639 - On the last episode, 19 00:00:38,705 --> 00:00:41,375 someone had a cold or whatever. - We were compromised. 20 00:00:41,441 --> 00:00:44,077 - And it just tore through the crew. 21 00:00:44,144 --> 00:00:45,179 - But we're on the mend. 22 00:00:45,245 --> 00:00:47,781 - Neither cold nor flu 23 00:00:47,848 --> 00:00:50,551 nor cough nor snot... - Mm-hmm. 24 00:00:50,617 --> 00:00:53,253 - Shall keep these catfish catchers 25 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,022 from their appointed rounds. 26 00:00:55,088 --> 00:00:56,290 - Let's do it. [both clap] 27 00:00:56,356 --> 00:00:57,824 - Woo! 28 00:00:57,891 --> 00:00:59,860 We got an email here. 29 00:00:59,927 --> 00:01:04,097 "Dear Nev and Kamie, my name is William. 30 00:01:04,164 --> 00:01:08,001 "I'm a roofing contractor living in Jonesboro, Arkansas. 31 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:11,338 "I've been talking to this girl named Carmella 32 00:01:11,405 --> 00:01:12,940 "for about three months now. 33 00:01:13,006 --> 00:01:16,176 She lives about two hours from me in Little Rock." 34 00:01:16,243 --> 00:01:18,045 - ♪♪ So you want me to come too ♪♪ 35 00:01:18,111 --> 00:01:19,646 - "We met on Facebook Dating. 36 00:01:19,713 --> 00:01:22,583 "And then we exchanged phone numbers and we started texting, 37 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:25,052 and then calling every day." 38 00:01:25,118 --> 00:01:30,824 - ♪♪ What I need is for you to come closer to me ♪♪ 39 00:01:30,891 --> 00:01:33,694 ♪♪ Can you give me some more clarity ♪♪ 40 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,296 - "I'm constantly laughing and in a good mood 41 00:01:36,363 --> 00:01:37,464 when we're talking." 42 00:01:37,531 --> 00:01:39,700 This is what I felt like when I met Laura. 43 00:01:39,766 --> 00:01:41,301 - Aww. 44 00:01:41,368 --> 00:01:44,404 - "She makes me feel confident about myself, 45 00:01:44,471 --> 00:01:45,873 "not just my appearance, 46 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:48,642 "but even if I'm having trouble at work or in life. 47 00:01:48,709 --> 00:01:52,846 "Even though we have yet to meet, our feelings have grown 48 00:01:52,913 --> 00:01:55,315 "stronger and stronger for each other. 49 00:01:55,382 --> 00:01:59,186 "However, she says that because of past relationships, 50 00:01:59,253 --> 00:02:01,522 "she's scared to meet in person. 51 00:02:01,588 --> 00:02:04,758 "Any time I try to FaceTime, she always has an excuse. 52 00:02:04,825 --> 00:02:07,160 If I bring it up too much, she can get upset." 53 00:02:07,227 --> 00:02:08,962 - ♪♪ Can you tell me how you feel ♪♪ 54 00:02:09,029 --> 00:02:11,465 ♪♪ 'Cause I don't know how you feel ♪♪ 55 00:02:11,532 --> 00:02:14,434 - "So I've tried to be patient and wait, 56 00:02:14,501 --> 00:02:16,737 "but at this point it's been three months. 57 00:02:16,803 --> 00:02:20,741 "I'm writing you to ask for your help to meet her. 58 00:02:20,807 --> 00:02:22,309 "I feel like with a third party there 59 00:02:22,376 --> 00:02:24,811 "she'll feel more safe meeting me. 60 00:02:24,878 --> 00:02:27,447 "I just want to show her how much I care about her 61 00:02:27,514 --> 00:02:30,117 and finally meet her. William." 62 00:02:31,752 --> 00:02:35,155 All right. Well, sounds like we are needed. 63 00:02:35,222 --> 00:02:37,658 See that? It's the cat signal. 64 00:02:37,724 --> 00:02:40,060 The catfish logo is in the sky. - Yes. 65 00:02:40,127 --> 00:02:41,428 - Let's call him up. 66 00:02:41,495 --> 00:02:43,830 [line trilling] 67 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:46,333 - Hello, William. 68 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,869 This is Nev and Kamie. - Hey, William. 69 00:02:50,204 --> 00:02:51,939 - How are things in Jonesboro? 70 00:02:56,410 --> 00:02:57,878 - So OK, so Carmella, 71 00:02:57,945 --> 00:03:00,047 would you say that like you guys are 72 00:03:00,113 --> 00:03:01,682 fully dating at this point? 73 00:03:08,422 --> 00:03:09,857 - Mm. 74 00:03:14,261 --> 00:03:15,229 - Right. 75 00:03:22,302 --> 00:03:23,437 - Yeah. 76 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:26,573 - Should we meet in Jonesboro 77 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:27,875 or should we meet in Little Rock? 78 00:03:27,941 --> 00:03:30,043 Just--she says she's in Little Rock, right? 79 00:03:31,445 --> 00:03:33,514 - All right, great. So we'll fly to Little Rock. 80 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:34,548 And we'll figure out a place to meet. 81 00:03:34,615 --> 00:03:36,183 And we'll see you soon. 82 00:03:37,484 --> 00:03:39,253 - See you soon, William. 83 00:03:40,087 --> 00:03:42,122 - He doesn't think that there's anything fishy 84 00:03:42,189 --> 00:03:44,124 about this relationship but he called us? 85 00:03:44,191 --> 00:03:47,327 - Yeah. - It's a bad sign. Red flag. 86 00:03:47,394 --> 00:03:49,563 - Look, the question here is, 87 00:03:49,630 --> 00:03:52,766 does Carmella want 88 00:03:52,833 --> 00:03:54,735 William to put a roof over her head 89 00:03:54,801 --> 00:03:57,337 or is William living under a Little Rock? 90 00:03:57,404 --> 00:03:58,939 - Let's go, please. 91 00:03:59,873 --> 00:04:02,643 - ♪♪ I'm running ♪♪ 92 00:04:02,709 --> 00:04:06,713 ♪♪ I don't know why ♪♪ 93 00:04:06,780 --> 00:04:09,183 - So here we are, Little Rock, Arkansas. 94 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:11,885 We're meeting William... - Mm-hmm. 95 00:04:11,952 --> 00:04:14,488 - Who lives a couple hours outside of Little Rock. 96 00:04:14,555 --> 00:04:15,956 - Yes. - But has agreed 97 00:04:16,023 --> 00:04:19,026 to meet us in town, here, at his friend's house. 98 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:20,794 For three months, he's been talking to 99 00:04:20,861 --> 00:04:22,529 this girl, Carmella. 100 00:04:22,596 --> 00:04:24,598 But Carmella claims to have had 101 00:04:24,665 --> 00:04:26,533 bad experiences in the past with men, 102 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,068 which has kept her from 103 00:04:28,135 --> 00:04:31,138 making the time or effort to come see William. 104 00:04:31,205 --> 00:04:32,573 - I'm not buying it. 105 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:34,775 - Which, yeah, doesn't sound very convincing. 106 00:04:34,842 --> 00:04:39,746 - ♪♪ And don't look back ♪♪ 107 00:04:39,813 --> 00:04:40,881 - Well, we made it. 108 00:04:40,948 --> 00:04:44,284 - ♪♪ Don't look back ♪♪ 109 00:04:44,351 --> 00:04:45,686 ♪♪ ♪♪ 110 00:04:45,752 --> 00:04:47,221 - Oop. William. - Hello, hello. 111 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:49,389 - What's up, man? - Wow. What's up, man? 112 00:04:49,456 --> 00:04:50,457 - How are you? - Good. 113 00:04:50,524 --> 00:04:51,792 - Hi, William. - Hello. 114 00:04:51,859 --> 00:04:53,093 - Y'all, go ahead and come in. - Still raining. 115 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,495 - Get out of that rain, ma'am. - Thank you. 116 00:04:55,562 --> 00:04:58,165 [grunts] - Oh. 117 00:04:58,232 --> 00:05:00,968 - I just wanted to say I appreciate your outfit. 118 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:02,836 I like that you wore a pink shirt, 119 00:05:02,903 --> 00:05:05,138 you got your diamonds. - For sure. 120 00:05:05,205 --> 00:05:06,807 I'm a little bit different than your-- 121 00:05:06,874 --> 00:05:08,642 your average country boy, for sure. 122 00:05:08,709 --> 00:05:09,977 - Yeah. All right, so look. 123 00:05:10,043 --> 00:05:12,746 Let's talk about Carmella. - Yes. 124 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:15,482 - Tell us the whole...story. - The whole story. 125 00:05:15,549 --> 00:05:20,454 So about three months ago, we matched on Facebook Dating. 126 00:05:20,521 --> 00:05:22,923 I actually remember seeing her picture and thinking, 127 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:24,691 "dang, she's bad." 128 00:05:24,758 --> 00:05:26,593 And I thought, she'll never match with me. 129 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:27,928 But no, I'm gonna go ahead and swipe right. 130 00:05:27,995 --> 00:05:29,129 And then like the next day, 131 00:05:29,196 --> 00:05:31,064 she had swiped right too and we matched. 132 00:05:31,131 --> 00:05:32,432 And I was like, OK, well you know, 133 00:05:32,499 --> 00:05:33,800 I'm gonna message her now. 134 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:35,302 So then I went ahead and messaged her, 135 00:05:35,369 --> 00:05:37,004 "hey, how are you?" Something like that. 136 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:39,740 She had a Snapchat. So I added her on Snap. 137 00:05:39,806 --> 00:05:42,943 We talked on there for about a month. 138 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:44,578 She sent me pictures. You know, of course, 139 00:05:44,645 --> 00:05:45,846 I still thought she was beautiful. 140 00:05:45,913 --> 00:05:47,114 So I asked her out. 141 00:05:47,181 --> 00:05:49,283 She told me, "I'm just not really ready 142 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:50,617 "for something like that. 143 00:05:50,684 --> 00:05:52,252 Give me a couple of weeks and maybe I will be." 144 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:54,421 And I said, OK. 145 00:05:54,488 --> 00:05:57,357 And then as we were talking, she kind of-- 146 00:05:57,424 --> 00:05:59,359 telling me how she was feeling depressed and stuff. 147 00:05:59,426 --> 00:06:01,261 It just kind of hurt my heart 'cause I've-- 148 00:06:01,328 --> 00:06:02,696 I've been there before. 149 00:06:02,763 --> 00:06:03,964 Like, I went through depression in my life 150 00:06:04,031 --> 00:06:05,232 so, like I understand. 151 00:06:05,299 --> 00:06:06,667 It's always good to have someone to talk to. 152 00:06:06,733 --> 00:06:08,402 So I was like, "Hey, what's your number? 153 00:06:08,468 --> 00:06:10,237 We should call sometime." 154 00:06:10,304 --> 00:06:11,772 'Cause I was like, you know, maybe she ain't ready to 155 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,574 go out on a date, but maybe she'll be cool with talking. 156 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,144 And she said, "Yeah, for sure." So she sent me her number. 157 00:06:17,211 --> 00:06:18,879 And we immediately called each other. 158 00:06:18,946 --> 00:06:21,949 And that night, I called her about 10:00 p. m. 159 00:06:22,015 --> 00:06:23,684 And we stayed on the phone till about 5:00 a. m. 160 00:06:23,750 --> 00:06:24,952 - Wow. 161 00:06:25,018 --> 00:06:26,820 - Maybe within like five minutes, 162 00:06:26,887 --> 00:06:29,223 I felt like an instant connection, like it had been 163 00:06:29,289 --> 00:06:31,792 someone I've been talking to for, like, years. 164 00:06:31,859 --> 00:06:34,161 And that kind of became a nightly routine. 165 00:06:34,228 --> 00:06:37,197 Like, I like talking to her so much that, like, 166 00:06:37,264 --> 00:06:38,765 when I'm having a bad day at work, like, 167 00:06:38,832 --> 00:06:40,200 that's what I want to do. Like, I want to go home. 168 00:06:40,267 --> 00:06:41,969 I want to call her. I want to talk to her. 169 00:06:42,035 --> 00:06:43,470 She'll hype me up. 170 00:06:43,537 --> 00:06:45,973 But I've never really felt like in life, like, 171 00:06:46,039 --> 00:06:47,608 I had someone that, like, cared about me 172 00:06:47,674 --> 00:06:49,510 the way that she has. 173 00:06:49,576 --> 00:06:50,777 - Wow. 174 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:53,514 What about her anxiety and depression? 175 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:55,115 Has she opened up to you about, like, 176 00:06:55,182 --> 00:06:56,383 what has been the cause of that? 177 00:06:56,450 --> 00:06:58,485 - She hasn't said directly, 178 00:06:58,552 --> 00:07:02,055 but I feel like it's from past relationships. 179 00:07:02,122 --> 00:07:06,026 I know that like, she's scared to just meet up with people. 180 00:07:06,093 --> 00:07:07,828 And like any time--'cause I've been trying to meet up 181 00:07:07,895 --> 00:07:09,029 for, you know, months. 182 00:07:09,096 --> 00:07:10,464 But I've also tried to be understanding 183 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:12,866 'cause you know, you don't know everyone's battle 184 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:13,967 and what they're going through. 185 00:07:14,034 --> 00:07:15,903 So I'm trying to be there for her. 186 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:17,604 I can't be there for her if she won't let me. 187 00:07:17,671 --> 00:07:19,339 - Yeah. - And so, 188 00:07:19,406 --> 00:07:21,175 if I bring it up too much though, she'll get mad 189 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:22,843 and we'll get into, like, an argument. 190 00:07:22,910 --> 00:07:25,946 She may delete me on everything, block me. 191 00:07:26,013 --> 00:07:27,381 - She's done that? - Yeah. 192 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:30,150 And then, like, within like an hour, 193 00:07:30,217 --> 00:07:31,285 she'll go ahead and call me and be like, 194 00:07:31,351 --> 00:07:32,920 "Babe, you know I just get upset. 195 00:07:32,986 --> 00:07:35,155 "You know I wasn't gonna keep you blocked or nothing. 196 00:07:35,222 --> 00:07:36,290 I'm sorry." 197 00:07:36,356 --> 00:07:37,758 - So she's not ready to meet up. 198 00:07:37,824 --> 00:07:39,326 But why not FaceTime? 199 00:07:39,393 --> 00:07:42,029 - With the FaceTime, she'll usually say something like, 200 00:07:42,095 --> 00:07:43,931 well, I don't have my makeup done, 201 00:07:43,997 --> 00:07:45,666 or my hair's not done. 202 00:07:45,732 --> 00:07:47,968 And it's like, I'm not that judgmental. 203 00:07:48,035 --> 00:07:50,737 I like talking to you, not your makeup. 204 00:07:50,804 --> 00:07:53,040 - But to be afraid to FaceTime with someone 205 00:07:53,106 --> 00:07:55,342 that you're talking to three times a day 206 00:07:55,409 --> 00:07:57,077 and all through the night... - Right. 207 00:07:57,144 --> 00:07:59,680 - You have to admit something is-- 208 00:07:59,746 --> 00:08:01,114 - I mean, it's definitely sus. 209 00:08:01,181 --> 00:08:03,116 I mean, we've been talking for three months. 210 00:08:03,183 --> 00:08:05,986 And she tells me she has all these feelings for me, 211 00:08:06,053 --> 00:08:07,221 but she doesn't want to meet. 212 00:08:07,287 --> 00:08:10,657 Like, you can only wait for so long. 213 00:08:10,724 --> 00:08:11,959 - Yeah. 214 00:08:12,025 --> 00:08:13,093 Well, especially since you're not that 215 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,795 far away from each other. - Right. 216 00:08:14,862 --> 00:08:17,231 - I want to see the pictures. 217 00:08:18,632 --> 00:08:20,434 - Ooh. 218 00:08:20,501 --> 00:08:22,302 Oh, she's sultry. 219 00:08:22,369 --> 00:08:23,537 She's a sultry girl. 220 00:08:23,604 --> 00:08:25,939 - Oh. - Mm-hmm. 221 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:28,876 I don't know about some of these, William. 222 00:08:28,942 --> 00:08:33,514 She does cover the face in the body pictures. 223 00:08:33,580 --> 00:08:35,449 Some of the body ones look like 224 00:08:35,516 --> 00:08:38,218 they could be different brunette girls. 225 00:08:38,285 --> 00:08:40,487 - Hard to say. - It's hard to say. 226 00:08:40,554 --> 00:08:42,890 - And Carmella, what is her background? 227 00:08:42,956 --> 00:08:44,258 - It's not an Arkansas name. 228 00:08:44,324 --> 00:08:47,361 - She's--that's one of those things 229 00:08:47,427 --> 00:08:49,062 I don't feel like it's my spot to tell, 230 00:08:49,129 --> 00:08:52,099 but she's transgender. both: Oh. 231 00:08:52,165 --> 00:08:53,467 - That's why her name is like that, 232 00:08:53,534 --> 00:08:55,402 'cause she made her name. She legally changed it. 233 00:08:55,469 --> 00:08:56,837 - OK. - Got it. 234 00:08:56,904 --> 00:08:58,539 You should have just said that from the beginning. 235 00:08:58,605 --> 00:09:01,508 - OK. Well, you know, so I like cis women, 236 00:09:01,575 --> 00:09:02,943 but I also like trans women. 237 00:09:03,010 --> 00:09:04,511 Like, I'm attracted to like the feminine side, 238 00:09:04,578 --> 00:09:07,814 like, long, pretty hair, makeup, nails. 239 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:08,949 - You're a lover of women. 240 00:09:09,016 --> 00:09:10,117 - Like I said, I just didn't know 241 00:09:10,184 --> 00:09:11,518 if that's my spot to tell. 242 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:13,020 - It's understandable. 243 00:09:13,086 --> 00:09:15,322 And--and it shouldn't make any difference. 244 00:09:15,389 --> 00:09:17,257 But I do think in this context... 245 00:09:17,324 --> 00:09:18,692 - It might, right. - It does. 246 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:20,060 - Mm. - 'Cause, like, 247 00:09:20,127 --> 00:09:23,063 that would explain why someone in her situation 248 00:09:23,130 --> 00:09:25,232 might be more hesitant. 249 00:09:25,299 --> 00:09:29,169 - She's concerned about her safety, rightfully so, 250 00:09:29,236 --> 00:09:31,205 in meeting somebody off the internet. 251 00:09:31,271 --> 00:09:32,539 Obviously... - It can be scary. 252 00:09:32,606 --> 00:09:35,142 - You have people who fetishize trans women, 253 00:09:35,209 --> 00:09:38,045 and that can also be weird and scary. 254 00:09:38,111 --> 00:09:40,047 But at the same time, she still might not be 255 00:09:40,113 --> 00:09:42,716 the girl in the pics, right? 256 00:09:42,783 --> 00:09:44,084 - Right. 257 00:09:44,151 --> 00:09:46,687 - What if she's not the person in the photos? 258 00:09:46,753 --> 00:09:49,089 - Like, you know, when you're building a relationship, 259 00:09:49,156 --> 00:09:50,791 you want to build it on trust and loyalty. 260 00:09:50,858 --> 00:09:53,093 And it's hard to build trust if someone's been lying to you 261 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,695 for three months. - Right. 262 00:09:54,761 --> 00:09:58,432 - But you know, she could be telling the truth. 263 00:09:58,498 --> 00:10:00,901 I want to be with her. I really like her. 264 00:10:02,236 --> 00:10:04,438 - All right, well, email us whatever you have, 265 00:10:04,505 --> 00:10:06,707 her social media accounts, her phone number. 266 00:10:06,773 --> 00:10:07,975 - Got you. 267 00:10:08,041 --> 00:10:09,142 - And then we'll figure out a plan. 268 00:10:09,209 --> 00:10:10,611 - Appreciate it, man. 269 00:10:10,677 --> 00:10:12,379 - All right, man. 270 00:10:12,446 --> 00:10:14,181 Woo! - Wow! 271 00:10:14,248 --> 00:10:15,716 - Y'all be safe out there. 272 00:10:15,782 --> 00:10:17,050 - Let me tell you something, William. 273 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:18,418 This better be the girl in the pictures 274 00:10:18,485 --> 00:10:22,222 'cause I am not risking my hair for this. 275 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:25,359 - Totally gonna be worth it. - It better be! 276 00:10:25,425 --> 00:10:27,060 [rain pouring] 277 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:28,228 Go, Nev! - All right. 278 00:10:28,295 --> 00:10:29,796 - Y'all be careful out there. Be safe. 279 00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:32,666 - Oh! Oh, my God. 280 00:10:32,733 --> 00:10:36,703 - There aren't a lot of things that would explain and justify 281 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:38,872 Carmella's behavior... - Mm-hmm. 282 00:10:38,939 --> 00:10:41,909 - As effectively as her being trans. 283 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:44,311 - But could there be something else that 284 00:10:44,378 --> 00:10:45,946 she's lying to William about? 285 00:10:46,013 --> 00:10:49,283 - She could still be lying about the photos. 286 00:10:49,349 --> 00:10:52,286 - Mm-hmm. I think that, William, he's a good egg. 287 00:10:52,352 --> 00:10:54,288 I think he's been so patient with her. 288 00:10:54,354 --> 00:10:57,224 - Yeah, he trusts her. They talk every day. 289 00:10:57,291 --> 00:10:59,693 And if Carmella has been lying to him, 290 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,295 it's going to be devastating. 291 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:07,367 - Feeling good today. 292 00:11:07,434 --> 00:11:10,304 Thanks. Woo! 293 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:12,439 Back to work. 294 00:11:12,506 --> 00:11:13,740 How are you feeling today? 295 00:11:13,807 --> 00:11:15,142 - I think a little better. 296 00:11:15,209 --> 00:11:18,212 - I think we're on the mend. - Let's get into it. 297 00:11:18,278 --> 00:11:22,616 William has been talking to Carmella for three months, 298 00:11:22,683 --> 00:11:24,751 heavy talking. On the phone... - Big talk. 299 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:25,886 - Pretty much every day. 300 00:11:25,953 --> 00:11:27,521 - Carmella says she's trans. 301 00:11:27,588 --> 00:11:29,289 And through her experience, 302 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:32,926 she's dealt with some things that have made her feel unsafe 303 00:11:32,993 --> 00:11:34,628 with meeting up with people, strangers, 304 00:11:34,695 --> 00:11:36,129 that she's met online. 305 00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:38,298 And William understands that, which I think is great. 306 00:11:38,365 --> 00:11:40,868 But at the same time, why not video chat? 307 00:11:40,934 --> 00:11:42,769 - Right. The question now is, 308 00:11:42,836 --> 00:11:45,472 is Carmella the girl in the pictures 309 00:11:45,539 --> 00:11:47,040 where we see her face, 310 00:11:47,107 --> 00:11:49,042 and is the girl in the pictures where 311 00:11:49,109 --> 00:11:51,311 we don't see her face the same girl? 312 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:53,647 - We are finding Carmella. 313 00:11:53,714 --> 00:11:55,816 She's real. She's the girl in pictures. 314 00:11:55,883 --> 00:11:58,585 - You're channeling good vibes, 315 00:11:58,652 --> 00:12:01,588 manifesting love. - ♪♪ Wonder love ♪♪ 316 00:12:01,655 --> 00:12:02,823 - All right, I am ready. 317 00:12:02,890 --> 00:12:04,458 We've got an email here from William. 318 00:12:04,525 --> 00:12:05,792 "Hey, Nev and Kamie. 319 00:12:05,859 --> 00:12:09,029 "Her full name, Carmella [bleep], 24. 320 00:12:09,096 --> 00:12:11,698 Here's her phone number, and here are her socials." 321 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:13,567 Did he send the pictures? Oh, yeah. 322 00:12:13,634 --> 00:12:15,502 Let's just go through these. 323 00:12:15,569 --> 00:12:17,905 That's very filtered, right? 324 00:12:17,971 --> 00:12:20,674 - Yeah, I mean, she's definitely using filters. 325 00:12:20,741 --> 00:12:23,744 But who doesn't? - Yeah. 326 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:25,812 - First off, is this really the same girl 327 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:27,080 as the face shots? 328 00:12:27,147 --> 00:12:29,683 - In the mirror pics? - Yeah. 329 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:30,651 - Look how different the phone is. 330 00:12:30,717 --> 00:12:32,286 - Oh, yeah. I mean-- 331 00:12:32,352 --> 00:12:33,620 - They're all-- all different phones. 332 00:12:33,687 --> 00:12:36,156 - Yeah. That is not the same girl. 333 00:12:36,223 --> 00:12:38,158 - The full mirror pics are almost certainly 334 00:12:38,225 --> 00:12:39,593 of different girls. - Yeah. 335 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:41,161 I want to see the Instagram. 336 00:12:41,228 --> 00:12:44,364 - OK. Let's see this. 337 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:46,133 OK, no posts. 338 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,935 Carmella [bleep]. 339 00:12:48,001 --> 00:12:49,036 Is she tagged in anything? 340 00:12:49,102 --> 00:12:50,904 No, she's not tagged in anything. 341 00:12:50,971 --> 00:12:52,940 - She has like a TikTok and stuff linked on there. 342 00:12:54,074 --> 00:12:56,443 - No videos. - No videos. 343 00:12:56,510 --> 00:12:58,812 - We have a Facebook. 344 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:01,281 She uses the same avatar. 345 00:13:01,348 --> 00:13:02,883 - No face, no trace. 346 00:13:02,950 --> 00:13:04,985 - We could run some photos. 347 00:13:05,052 --> 00:13:07,487 What do you think, this one? 348 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:08,856 Not a hit. 349 00:13:08,922 --> 00:13:10,290 Let's try this next picture. 350 00:13:11,825 --> 00:13:13,260 No hits on these. 351 00:13:13,327 --> 00:13:15,128 - We didn't run the body ones though. 352 00:13:15,195 --> 00:13:16,930 - All right, let's run some of these. 353 00:13:16,997 --> 00:13:19,366 - Oh, right there! - Whoa, right there. 354 00:13:19,433 --> 00:13:21,568 Oh, my goodness! 355 00:13:21,635 --> 00:13:25,906 All right, so this is a picture on some Pinterest boards. 356 00:13:25,973 --> 00:13:27,741 I'm sure the other ones probably are too. 357 00:13:27,808 --> 00:13:30,744 Let's see. - Just as we suspected. 358 00:13:30,811 --> 00:13:33,347 - Check this one. 359 00:13:33,413 --> 00:13:34,448 Oh. - Right there. 360 00:13:34,515 --> 00:13:35,883 - There it is. 361 00:13:35,949 --> 00:13:38,886 All right, we now know Carmella is not the girl in 362 00:13:38,952 --> 00:13:42,222 the sort of full body, no face pictures that she sent. 363 00:13:42,289 --> 00:13:43,724 - Mm-hmm, yeah. - What else do we have? 364 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:45,259 We have a phone number. I guess we could search that. 365 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:46,426 Let's see. 366 00:13:47,995 --> 00:13:51,298 Little Rock, Arkansas, one potential owner, 367 00:13:51,365 --> 00:13:52,599 Carmella. 368 00:13:52,666 --> 00:13:54,868 OK. Well, that checks out. 369 00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:59,873 Let's just do a search for Carmella [bleep]. 370 00:14:01,775 --> 00:14:05,279 Here's a Twitter profile. There she is. 371 00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:06,914 Oh, there's the pic. 372 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:07,981 William didn't send us this, 373 00:14:08,048 --> 00:14:10,617 so I don't think he's seen this. 374 00:14:10,684 --> 00:14:13,053 This looks like her, same avatar. 375 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,955 She talks about her anxiety a lot. 376 00:14:15,022 --> 00:14:17,324 I mean, why hide this from him though? 377 00:14:17,391 --> 00:14:18,458 - Mm-hmm. 378 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:20,294 - This all sort of matches up. 379 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,764 What is this, #edtwt? 380 00:14:23,830 --> 00:14:26,099 - It's got to be eating disorder Twitter. 381 00:14:26,166 --> 00:14:27,868 - Oh. 382 00:14:27,935 --> 00:14:29,770 Wow, she tweets about it a lot. - Mm-hmm. 383 00:14:29,837 --> 00:14:32,673 - It seems like Carmella is struggling with 384 00:14:32,739 --> 00:14:34,474 an eating disorder of some kind. 385 00:14:34,541 --> 00:14:38,045 - It makes sense if she's not feeling totally comfortable. 386 00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:39,746 She hasn't been feeling comfortable in her own skin 387 00:14:39,813 --> 00:14:41,381 for a while. 388 00:14:41,448 --> 00:14:44,151 And it's hard to put yourself out there to meet somebody new 389 00:14:44,218 --> 00:14:46,320 when you yourself don't feel comfortable. 390 00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:48,322 - Right. I think we need to talk to William. 391 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:51,024 It's looking like Carmella is definitely named Carmella. 392 00:14:51,091 --> 00:14:52,860 - Right. - We can probably also trust 393 00:14:52,926 --> 00:14:55,028 that at least parts of her story, 394 00:14:55,095 --> 00:14:58,232 her being trans, her background, is also true. 395 00:14:58,298 --> 00:15:00,267 - Right. - What we can't prove 396 00:15:00,334 --> 00:15:01,668 is if she's the girl in the pictures. 397 00:15:01,735 --> 00:15:04,137 And I think we have to be somewhat suspicious of 398 00:15:04,204 --> 00:15:05,639 whether or not she is because 399 00:15:05,706 --> 00:15:08,108 we do know that the pictures she sent of her whole body 400 00:15:08,175 --> 00:15:09,343 where you can't see her face 401 00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:10,644 are definitely just off the internet. 402 00:15:10,711 --> 00:15:12,646 - Only thing we can't confirm is the face. 403 00:15:12,713 --> 00:15:14,348 - The face. - And William said 404 00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:16,116 he couldn't be in a relationship with her 405 00:15:16,183 --> 00:15:18,352 if she lied about something like that. 406 00:15:24,324 --> 00:15:26,226 [soft music] 407 00:15:26,293 --> 00:15:27,394 [knocking on door] 408 00:15:27,461 --> 00:15:28,395 - Hey. - What's up? 409 00:15:28,462 --> 00:15:29,429 How are y'all? - Hello. 410 00:15:29,496 --> 00:15:31,198 - Come on in. - Yes, sir. 411 00:15:31,265 --> 00:15:32,499 - Have a seat. 412 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,969 - What's going on? - I'm feeling a hunnid. 413 00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:38,839 I'm interested in hearing what y'all found. 414 00:15:38,906 --> 00:15:40,607 - All right, well, look, let's just sort of get into it. 415 00:15:40,674 --> 00:15:42,442 First thing we did was we just looked through 416 00:15:42,509 --> 00:15:44,578 her social medias you sent us. - Ah. 417 00:15:44,645 --> 00:15:46,647 - There's nothing on much of them. 418 00:15:46,713 --> 00:15:48,182 - Right. - So we thought, OK, 419 00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:50,751 let's search her phone number. Let's see what comes back. 420 00:15:50,817 --> 00:15:53,153 And her phone number comes back registered to Carmella. 421 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:55,355 So obviously, that seems good. 422 00:15:55,422 --> 00:15:57,591 Then we just googled her name. 423 00:15:57,658 --> 00:15:59,760 And we found a Twitter account. 424 00:15:59,826 --> 00:16:01,361 Did you know she had a Twitter page? 425 00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:03,564 - No, I don't have Twitter, so I never, like, got on it. 426 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:05,065 - Got it. Well, she does. 427 00:16:05,132 --> 00:16:06,333 One thing that we noticed, 428 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,669 she talks a lot about disordered eating. 429 00:16:08,735 --> 00:16:12,606 And she specifically uses a hashtag, #edtwt, 430 00:16:12,673 --> 00:16:14,708 which is eating disorder Twitter. 431 00:16:14,775 --> 00:16:17,711 It's a community of people who are struggling with 432 00:16:17,778 --> 00:16:19,646 eating disorders and they kind of support each other. 433 00:16:19,713 --> 00:16:21,949 But has she ever talked to you about struggling with, 434 00:16:22,015 --> 00:16:23,951 or having previously had an eating disorder? 435 00:16:24,017 --> 00:16:26,687 - She talks about feeling bad for people like that. 436 00:16:26,753 --> 00:16:28,956 But she's never said like, "I personally have problems." 437 00:16:29,022 --> 00:16:32,159 - Seeing that, it also made sense to us 438 00:16:32,226 --> 00:16:33,660 if she is struggling with this, 439 00:16:33,727 --> 00:16:34,928 that's part of the reason 440 00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:36,730 why she hasn't wanted to meet up with you 441 00:16:36,797 --> 00:16:38,532 because she's still working through some things. 442 00:16:38,599 --> 00:16:41,502 - Dealing with these problems. Right. 443 00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:43,403 - Then what we did was 444 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:47,374 we looked up pictures of her face. 445 00:16:48,642 --> 00:16:51,044 None of them came back with any direct hits. 446 00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:52,479 So that's good. 447 00:16:52,546 --> 00:16:54,882 However, when we do an image search 448 00:16:54,948 --> 00:16:58,051 for the pictures of her in the mirror, 449 00:16:58,118 --> 00:17:00,687 we do get hits. 450 00:17:02,656 --> 00:17:08,362 So this picture, we found on some Pinterest board. 451 00:17:08,428 --> 00:17:13,333 And this one on a bunch of websites. 452 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,603 While we still can't prove the pictures of her face are her, 453 00:17:16,670 --> 00:17:21,008 we can't find that person anywhere else, 454 00:17:21,074 --> 00:17:27,981 but the pictures of her body are almost certainly not her. 455 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:33,287 It looks as though 456 00:17:33,353 --> 00:17:35,622 pretty much everything you know about Carmella is true 457 00:17:35,689 --> 00:17:38,358 but she's not the person in the photos. 458 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:41,195 [soft music] 459 00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:45,132 - I mean, you know, it kinda-- kinda makes me sad, you know? 460 00:17:45,199 --> 00:17:47,668 ♪♪ ♪♪ 461 00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:49,837 If she doesn't look the same, 462 00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:53,974 then I feel like, you know, she lied to me. 463 00:17:54,041 --> 00:17:57,010 You got to build a relationship on trust and loyalty. 464 00:17:57,077 --> 00:17:58,278 And you can't do that if someone's 465 00:17:58,345 --> 00:18:00,314 lying to you all the time. 466 00:18:00,380 --> 00:18:03,650 But still, I want to meet her. 467 00:18:03,717 --> 00:18:05,652 - So now, I mean, I guess our next thing is 468 00:18:05,719 --> 00:18:08,755 trying to delicately talk to her 469 00:18:08,822 --> 00:18:10,691 about meeting you in person. 470 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,092 - This would be the time. 471 00:18:12,159 --> 00:18:14,194 - We should probably be a little delicate because 472 00:18:14,261 --> 00:18:16,096 you've tried to meet her a bunch of times already, 473 00:18:16,163 --> 00:18:18,465 and she's claimed to be too anxious. 474 00:18:18,532 --> 00:18:20,367 I don't think our strategy needs to be 475 00:18:20,434 --> 00:18:22,069 to get her to come clean 476 00:18:22,135 --> 00:18:24,805 or tell some truth to us before meeting you. 477 00:18:24,872 --> 00:18:26,173 It should just be, hey, we want to create 478 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,976 a safe environment for you to feel comfortable 479 00:18:29,042 --> 00:18:30,410 - So she doesn't feel pressured and stuff. 480 00:18:30,477 --> 00:18:31,845 - Right. - Right. 481 00:18:31,912 --> 00:18:35,282 - So I guess I could just call and see if she picks up. 482 00:18:35,349 --> 00:18:41,221 [line trilling] 483 00:18:42,556 --> 00:18:44,591 - Hello. Is this Carmella? 484 00:18:45,859 --> 00:18:47,694 - Hey, Carmella. This is Nev from "Catfish." 485 00:18:47,761 --> 00:18:50,264 And I'm sitting here with your friend William. 486 00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:54,101 We are here because William was hoping that we could help 487 00:18:54,168 --> 00:18:57,671 create a scenario in which you would feel comfortable 488 00:18:57,738 --> 00:19:00,774 and safe to finally meet up with him. 489 00:19:07,581 --> 00:19:11,118 - He really just thought that our platform would be 490 00:19:11,185 --> 00:19:14,087 a good place for you guys to finally meet. 491 00:19:14,154 --> 00:19:16,590 And he was hoping that perhaps our assistance 492 00:19:16,657 --> 00:19:18,825 would make you feel more comfortable. 493 00:19:25,532 --> 00:19:29,136 - Wait. Is there like a specific reason you can't meet? 494 00:19:29,203 --> 00:19:32,272 Because we don't know everything, I guess, or--or-- 495 00:19:35,475 --> 00:19:37,044 - Right. 496 00:19:40,981 --> 00:19:42,216 - Totally understand that. 497 00:19:49,623 --> 00:19:51,124 - We're really more reaching out-- 498 00:19:52,259 --> 00:19:53,927 [call ends] 499 00:19:55,262 --> 00:19:56,496 - OK. 500 00:19:56,563 --> 00:19:57,598 - If she's still Carmella, 501 00:19:57,664 --> 00:19:58,899 she says who she says she is, 502 00:19:58,966 --> 00:20:01,235 she just doesn't look exactly the same, 503 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:03,070 then I feel like, you know, 504 00:20:03,136 --> 00:20:05,072 she may have to regain my trust, 505 00:20:05,138 --> 00:20:07,107 but it could still work. 506 00:20:07,174 --> 00:20:09,243 - I don't know, William. I wouldn't get my hopes up 507 00:20:09,309 --> 00:20:11,545 that she's telling the truth, you know? 508 00:20:11,612 --> 00:20:16,483 And there is a chance that you may never meet this girl. 509 00:20:16,550 --> 00:20:18,485 - Right. 510 00:20:18,552 --> 00:20:21,421 - Are you OK with that? 511 00:20:21,488 --> 00:20:23,957 - I've already spent three months and I really like her. 512 00:20:24,024 --> 00:20:25,559 I want to be with her, but I can't do it 513 00:20:25,626 --> 00:20:28,395 if she won't let me. 514 00:20:29,196 --> 00:20:30,898 So, you know, I kinda made my move. 515 00:20:30,964 --> 00:20:32,766 Now the ball's in her court. 516 00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:34,535 - If she is mostly telling the truth 517 00:20:34,601 --> 00:20:36,203 but she isn't ready, 518 00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:37,771 will you wait? 519 00:20:37,838 --> 00:20:40,407 Or do you think you'll have to kind of open yourself up 520 00:20:40,474 --> 00:20:42,075 to meeting someone else? - Moving on? 521 00:20:42,142 --> 00:20:45,078 I like her but I can't force somebody 522 00:20:45,145 --> 00:20:47,214 to meet me or be with me. - Right. 523 00:20:47,281 --> 00:20:49,316 [phone chimes] both: Oh. 524 00:20:49,383 --> 00:20:51,485 Wow, she just sent a picture. 525 00:20:51,552 --> 00:20:53,554 It's a picture of her. 526 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:56,623 "Nev and Kamie, I am real. Heart, Carmella." 527 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:57,758 - What? 528 00:20:57,824 --> 00:20:59,693 - Oh, my God. It's her! 529 00:21:06,366 --> 00:21:07,401 [phone chimes] both: Oh. 530 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:08,569 - She just sent a picture of her. 531 00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:10,971 "I'm real. Heart, Carmella." - What? 532 00:21:11,038 --> 00:21:13,807 - Oh, my God. It's her! 533 00:21:13,874 --> 00:21:16,543 I mean, is there any way that this is somehow faked? 534 00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:18,579 How would she have done that so fast? 535 00:21:18,645 --> 00:21:19,613 - Yeah. 536 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,114 - If that is her, 537 00:21:21,181 --> 00:21:23,584 why would she send us pictures of other girls' bodies? 538 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:25,352 - I think considering the other things 539 00:21:25,419 --> 00:21:27,454 that she's dealing with that she's talked about, 540 00:21:27,521 --> 00:21:31,024 it makes sense that she's not completely comfortable 541 00:21:31,091 --> 00:21:34,595 with her body right now to send full body pictures. 542 00:21:34,661 --> 00:21:35,796 - Yeah. 543 00:21:35,863 --> 00:21:37,064 Well, we should probably respond, right? 544 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:38,165 I mean, what should we say? 545 00:21:38,232 --> 00:21:40,534 - Can I give it a try? 546 00:21:41,802 --> 00:21:44,037 - "Hey, Carmella, William is really excited 547 00:21:44,104 --> 00:21:46,440 "and looking forward to the possibility of meeting you. 548 00:21:46,507 --> 00:21:48,175 "We would love to help make that happen. 549 00:21:48,242 --> 00:21:50,010 "Please think about it and let us know 550 00:21:50,077 --> 00:21:51,078 "if there's anything we can do 551 00:21:51,144 --> 00:21:52,679 "to make you feel more comfortable. 552 00:21:52,746 --> 00:21:55,315 "We are currently in Little Rock and willing to meet you 553 00:21:55,382 --> 00:21:59,119 whenever/wherever is best for you. Heart." 554 00:21:59,186 --> 00:22:01,922 Sound good to you, William? - Yeah. 555 00:22:01,989 --> 00:22:04,024 - OK, sent. 556 00:22:04,091 --> 00:22:05,359 - Now let's see what she says. 557 00:22:05,425 --> 00:22:06,793 - Right. [phone chimes] 558 00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:08,729 - Oh. That was fast. 559 00:22:08,795 --> 00:22:10,797 "I care about him, but I lied in a big way. 560 00:22:10,864 --> 00:22:12,666 "I don't think I can ever face him. 561 00:22:12,733 --> 00:22:14,268 Sorry." 562 00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:17,671 - Well. "I lied in a big way." 563 00:22:17,738 --> 00:22:19,540 - Should I mention the pictures at this point, 564 00:22:19,606 --> 00:22:21,108 that we know it's not her body? 565 00:22:21,175 --> 00:22:23,043 - I mean, I hope that's what she's talking about. 566 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:24,344 - Well, that's what I mean. 567 00:22:24,411 --> 00:22:27,748 Like, so, I could say like, at this point, 568 00:22:27,814 --> 00:22:33,754 all we know that you lied about 569 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:35,656 are the photos... 570 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:37,791 - The photos you used of someone else's body. 571 00:22:37,858 --> 00:22:40,427 Is there something else? 572 00:22:41,862 --> 00:22:44,364 - Oh, she's typing. She's typing. 573 00:22:46,233 --> 00:22:47,568 Oh, she stopped. 574 00:22:49,236 --> 00:22:52,005 I think that might be all we're getting from her right now. 575 00:22:52,072 --> 00:22:55,275 We'll wait and see if she gets back to us. 576 00:22:55,342 --> 00:22:56,543 - Gotcha. 577 00:22:56,610 --> 00:22:57,911 - You let us know if you hear anything. 578 00:22:57,978 --> 00:22:59,847 We'll let you know if we hear anything. 579 00:22:59,913 --> 00:23:02,316 - If she's ready to meet, then great. 580 00:23:02,382 --> 00:23:05,853 But I'm not gonna wait forever if nothing's coming from it. 581 00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:07,087 - Fingers crossed. 582 00:23:07,154 --> 00:23:10,457 [tense music] 583 00:23:10,524 --> 00:23:11,825 - See you, William. - I'll see you. 584 00:23:11,892 --> 00:23:14,061 Y'all be safe. - Thank you. 585 00:23:15,495 --> 00:23:17,097 - I can't believe she just sent that picture. 586 00:23:17,164 --> 00:23:18,465 That was crazy! - I know. 587 00:23:18,532 --> 00:23:19,933 - What is she hiding? 588 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,804 What is this big lie that she's so afraid to tell him? 589 00:23:23,871 --> 00:23:28,509 ♪♪ ♪♪ 590 00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:31,578 [mellow electronic music] 591 00:23:31,645 --> 00:23:34,848 [knocking on door] 592 00:23:34,915 --> 00:23:36,383 - Good morning. 593 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:37,384 Have a seat. 594 00:23:37,451 --> 00:23:38,619 - Update. 595 00:23:38,685 --> 00:23:41,288 Just got a voice note from our girl. 596 00:23:41,355 --> 00:23:42,589 Check this out. 597 00:24:14,721 --> 00:24:17,391 - Good news is, Carmella confirmed that 598 00:24:17,457 --> 00:24:20,827 her feelings for William are very real. 599 00:24:20,894 --> 00:24:22,496 - That's a plus. - Which is great. 600 00:24:22,563 --> 00:24:27,768 But there is something going on that she's super nervous about. 601 00:24:27,835 --> 00:24:29,570 - What could it be? [phone chimes] 602 00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:31,271 - Oh, she sent her address. - Oh. 603 00:24:31,338 --> 00:24:34,675 - She's 23 minutes away. - OK. 604 00:24:34,741 --> 00:24:39,079 - "Thanks. We will head over soon." 605 00:24:39,146 --> 00:24:40,547 Well, let's just call William and let him know. 606 00:24:40,614 --> 00:24:42,850 [line trilling] 607 00:24:44,151 --> 00:24:48,055 - We just got a voice note from Carmella. 608 00:24:48,121 --> 00:24:50,891 She confirmed that all the things she's told you 609 00:24:50,958 --> 00:24:53,894 and all the feelings that she's expressed to you are real, 610 00:24:53,961 --> 00:24:57,331 but that there is something she's worried to tell you. 611 00:24:57,397 --> 00:24:59,600 But she wants to meet you. 612 00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:02,603 And she even then texted us an address. 613 00:25:07,007 --> 00:25:10,210 - OK. So can you just meet us over here at the hotel 614 00:25:10,277 --> 00:25:11,445 and head over there together? 615 00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:13,747 - All right, great. 616 00:25:13,814 --> 00:25:15,382 We'll see you downstairs in a little bit. 617 00:25:15,449 --> 00:25:17,584 - See you soon. 618 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:21,555 Look at our guy. - There he is. 619 00:25:21,622 --> 00:25:23,123 - Hello. - How are you? 620 00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:24,358 - Good to see you. 621 00:25:24,424 --> 00:25:25,492 - Good to see you too. 622 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:26,960 - How are you doing? 623 00:25:27,027 --> 00:25:31,031 - Just ready to meet Carmella and see what she has-- 624 00:25:31,098 --> 00:25:32,499 what surprise she has waiting for me. 625 00:25:32,566 --> 00:25:33,567 - Same. 626 00:25:33,634 --> 00:25:34,902 - Get in the "Car-a-mella." 627 00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:36,870 - [laughs] - Yes, sir. 628 00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:41,041 - And away we go. 629 00:25:42,776 --> 00:25:45,345 - I'm very, very curious in finding out 630 00:25:45,412 --> 00:25:47,481 what Carmella has to tell you. 631 00:25:47,548 --> 00:25:50,150 - I am too. 632 00:25:50,217 --> 00:25:52,886 What is it that's so bad that she couldn't tell me? 633 00:25:52,953 --> 00:25:54,354 It depends on how big the lie is, 634 00:25:54,421 --> 00:25:57,224 if we can recover, if we can actually be something. 635 00:25:57,291 --> 00:25:58,192 - Mm-hmm. 636 00:26:01,361 --> 00:26:03,030 It's an old neighborhood. 637 00:26:05,232 --> 00:26:06,900 This is the street. 638 00:26:06,967 --> 00:26:08,268 63's-- 639 00:26:08,335 --> 00:26:10,204 - I think it's that one. 640 00:26:12,239 --> 00:26:14,708 - All right. Well. 641 00:26:14,775 --> 00:26:16,810 - Are you ready? - I feel like I've been nervous 642 00:26:16,877 --> 00:26:19,179 for the last three months, so, you know, 643 00:26:19,246 --> 00:26:20,547 now's the time. Let's do it. 644 00:26:20,614 --> 00:26:21,882 - Let's do it. 645 00:26:24,518 --> 00:26:26,220 You guys can wait here. 646 00:26:26,286 --> 00:26:27,421 I'll check it out. 647 00:26:27,487 --> 00:26:30,324 [tense music] 648 00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:37,531 ♪♪ ♪♪ 649 00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,036 [doorbell rings] 650 00:26:43,103 --> 00:26:46,740 ♪♪ ♪♪ 651 00:26:46,807 --> 00:26:48,609 [whispers] I rang the doorbell. 652 00:26:48,675 --> 00:26:50,177 [door creaks open] 653 00:26:50,244 --> 00:26:51,745 - Ooh! 654 00:26:51,812 --> 00:26:54,114 - Hi. - Hello. 655 00:26:54,181 --> 00:26:56,016 - [whispers] I can't see. 656 00:26:56,083 --> 00:26:57,985 - Come on out. 657 00:27:03,457 --> 00:27:06,360 [tense music] 658 00:27:06,426 --> 00:27:08,061 ♪♪ ♪♪ 659 00:27:08,128 --> 00:27:10,831 [doorbell rings] 660 00:27:10,898 --> 00:27:14,535 ♪♪ ♪♪ 661 00:27:14,601 --> 00:27:16,670 [whispers] I rang the doorbell. 662 00:27:16,737 --> 00:27:17,938 [door creaks open] 663 00:27:18,005 --> 00:27:19,640 - Ooh! 664 00:27:19,706 --> 00:27:20,807 - Hi. 665 00:27:20,874 --> 00:27:21,875 - Hello. 666 00:27:21,942 --> 00:27:23,777 - [whispers] I can't see. 667 00:27:23,844 --> 00:27:25,579 - Come on out. 668 00:27:25,646 --> 00:27:28,148 ♪♪ ♪♪ 669 00:27:28,215 --> 00:27:30,050 Yeah, yeah. - Hey. 670 00:27:30,117 --> 00:27:32,219 Hey. - [mumbles] We got your-- 671 00:27:32,286 --> 00:27:35,355 - Oh. 672 00:27:36,790 --> 00:27:39,026 - How's everything going? - Good. How are y'all? 673 00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:40,827 - Good. - Good, I'm Kamie. 674 00:27:40,894 --> 00:27:44,565 - Nice to meet you. Carmella. - Nice to meet you too. 675 00:27:44,631 --> 00:27:45,732 - Will. - Nice to meet you, Will. 676 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,402 Carmella. - Nice to meet you too. 677 00:27:48,468 --> 00:27:50,270 - All right. Happy to meet you. 678 00:27:50,337 --> 00:27:51,905 - Nice to meet y'all. [chuckles] 679 00:27:51,972 --> 00:27:57,411 - Um, obviously, you're not the girl in the pictures. 680 00:27:57,477 --> 00:27:59,613 - Right. - Is that-- 681 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,583 why don't you kind of explain the situation. 682 00:28:02,649 --> 00:28:05,185 - Well, of course, like, the body pictures 683 00:28:05,252 --> 00:28:07,354 were fake, of course. - OK. 684 00:28:07,421 --> 00:28:11,391 - The face pictures were me. 685 00:28:11,458 --> 00:28:16,230 They're just very edited with FaceApp. 686 00:28:16,296 --> 00:28:18,832 - Wow. OK, so that photo you sent in the car 687 00:28:18,899 --> 00:28:21,502 and all the other face shots, those are all you? 688 00:28:21,568 --> 00:28:23,270 - Right, right. - [stammers] 689 00:28:23,337 --> 00:28:25,239 And that's primarily the issue that 690 00:28:25,305 --> 00:28:27,574 you were concerned about revealing. 691 00:28:27,641 --> 00:28:29,276 - Right. 692 00:28:29,343 --> 00:28:31,478 - But surely, I mean, having talked to him 693 00:28:31,545 --> 00:28:33,514 for the last three months so much, 694 00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:36,617 and him being so open minded and accepting 695 00:28:36,683 --> 00:28:39,086 from what I understand, of everything you've told him, 696 00:28:39,152 --> 00:28:41,088 don't you think he might have handled that better 697 00:28:41,154 --> 00:28:43,624 if you told him the truth early on? 698 00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:45,492 What was it that you thought would be 699 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,295 so hard for him to accept about you? 700 00:28:48,362 --> 00:28:50,998 - Um, mostly my weight. 701 00:28:51,064 --> 00:28:53,000 It wasn't my intention to lie. 702 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:55,669 I was just going through a really rough breakup. 703 00:28:55,736 --> 00:29:01,041 And after that, I just started catfishing guys for attention. 704 00:29:01,108 --> 00:29:02,843 - Guys, plural? - Yeah. 705 00:29:02,910 --> 00:29:06,680 Kind of a little attention whore, I guess. 706 00:29:06,747 --> 00:29:09,049 - There were other guys you were talking to 707 00:29:09,116 --> 00:29:10,651 that you met online? 708 00:29:10,717 --> 00:29:13,520 - I mean, I've probably talked to like 5,000, 6,000 guys. 709 00:29:13,587 --> 00:29:16,323 - Whoa, whoa, whoa. - Wait, what? 710 00:29:16,390 --> 00:29:17,691 5,000 or 6,000? 711 00:29:17,758 --> 00:29:20,694 - Thousand. - Wow. 712 00:29:20,761 --> 00:29:23,197 So you just--just through different dating apps, 713 00:29:23,263 --> 00:29:26,366 or primarily Facebook, or-- - Um, Tinder, mostly. 714 00:29:26,433 --> 00:29:29,903 - OK, so you talk to them to get attention? 715 00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:31,839 - Just attention when I'm bored. - Just for fun? 716 00:29:31,905 --> 00:29:34,241 They just send me like money and stuff. 717 00:29:34,308 --> 00:29:36,443 - Oh. - How much money? 718 00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:38,378 - In the past year, I've probably made 719 00:29:38,445 --> 00:29:40,981 $10,000, $15,000. 720 00:29:41,048 --> 00:29:43,684 - So this isn't just about your weight or insecurity, 721 00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:46,320 because it sounds like a lot of those guys 722 00:29:46,386 --> 00:29:49,656 you're kind of scamming. 723 00:29:49,723 --> 00:29:50,858 - I guess. 724 00:29:50,924 --> 00:29:52,693 I mean, I don't like tell them we're 725 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,828 gonna be together or [bleep] or anything for the money. 726 00:29:54,895 --> 00:29:57,231 Like, so I feel like they shouldn't have 727 00:29:57,297 --> 00:30:00,033 very high expectations. 728 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,070 If you're gonna send a random bitch on Snapchat money, 729 00:30:03,136 --> 00:30:04,638 I mean-- 730 00:30:04,705 --> 00:30:05,939 - So at the time that you met William, 731 00:30:06,006 --> 00:30:07,774 you were flirting with lots of guys. 732 00:30:07,841 --> 00:30:09,710 So Will was essentially a target 733 00:30:09,776 --> 00:30:11,445 that you were like, oh, he's another cute boy. 734 00:30:11,512 --> 00:30:13,046 I'll send him all these hot pictures, 735 00:30:13,113 --> 00:30:14,715 and I'll eventually get money from him, right? 736 00:30:14,781 --> 00:30:16,183 I mean, that was-- - Right. 737 00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:17,618 - But I don't send money online. 738 00:30:17,684 --> 00:30:19,620 - Well, no. But did she ever ask for it? 739 00:30:19,686 --> 00:30:20,888 - No. 740 00:30:20,954 --> 00:30:22,523 - Are you talking to any of those people now? 741 00:30:22,589 --> 00:30:24,491 'Cause that's a lot of people to be talking to. 742 00:30:24,558 --> 00:30:26,727 - No, ever since me and him started talking, 743 00:30:26,793 --> 00:30:29,396 I've pretty much cut everybody else off, 744 00:30:29,463 --> 00:30:31,164 any other guys. 745 00:30:31,231 --> 00:30:34,434 Like, my feelings for him are real. 746 00:30:34,501 --> 00:30:35,936 - That's a little hard to believe though, 747 00:30:36,003 --> 00:30:37,337 given what you just told us. 748 00:30:37,404 --> 00:30:38,805 - Right, right. 749 00:30:38,872 --> 00:30:40,207 - If that's true, 750 00:30:40,274 --> 00:30:43,310 what was different about Will that prevented you from 751 00:30:43,377 --> 00:30:45,579 taking it to the sort of, oh, I want to ask him for money 752 00:30:45,646 --> 00:30:47,948 like all these other hundreds of thousands of guys? 753 00:30:48,015 --> 00:30:50,250 - Well, I mean, once we, like, started talking on the phone, 754 00:30:50,317 --> 00:30:52,719 it just--we just clicked. 755 00:30:52,786 --> 00:30:54,621 I felt like I liked his sense of humor. 756 00:30:54,688 --> 00:30:57,024 We had the same kind of taste in music and movies 757 00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:58,592 and stuff like that. 758 00:30:58,659 --> 00:31:00,494 And he didn't treat me like an object. 759 00:31:00,561 --> 00:31:03,897 So I think that makes him really, really special, 760 00:31:03,964 --> 00:31:06,300 being able to treat me the way I want to be treated, 761 00:31:06,366 --> 00:31:08,202 like a normal girl. 762 00:31:09,002 --> 00:31:11,905 - So is everything else that you've told him true 763 00:31:11,972 --> 00:31:14,241 in terms of what's going on in your life? 764 00:31:14,308 --> 00:31:17,077 - Yeah, everything else is true. 765 00:31:17,144 --> 00:31:19,346 - We found your Twitter. 766 00:31:19,413 --> 00:31:21,682 And we see that you talk a lot on there 767 00:31:21,748 --> 00:31:23,417 about eating disorders. 768 00:31:23,483 --> 00:31:25,953 Is that something that you struggle with? 769 00:31:26,019 --> 00:31:27,521 - Mm-hmm. 770 00:31:27,588 --> 00:31:29,890 Yeah, I've struggled with that pretty much my entire life, 771 00:31:29,957 --> 00:31:32,292 but especially after the breakup 772 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:34,094 with my last boyfriend. 773 00:31:34,161 --> 00:31:38,065 - Is it something that you are in recovery for currently 774 00:31:38,131 --> 00:31:40,400 or hoping to be? 775 00:31:40,467 --> 00:31:42,736 - Hoping to be. 776 00:31:42,803 --> 00:31:44,705 - What are you hoping to get out of 777 00:31:44,771 --> 00:31:45,839 this relationship with William? 778 00:31:45,906 --> 00:31:47,841 Like, what would you want, ideally? 779 00:31:47,908 --> 00:31:50,844 - I mean, ideally, like, if he ended up trusting me, 780 00:31:50,911 --> 00:31:52,846 definitely like a relationship. 781 00:31:56,416 --> 00:31:58,218 - I mean... 782 00:31:58,285 --> 00:32:00,454 [sighs] I liked you so much. 783 00:32:00,521 --> 00:32:03,323 But you lied this long. 784 00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:04,691 And I believed you, 785 00:32:04,758 --> 00:32:07,761 which makes me seem kind of foolish 786 00:32:07,828 --> 00:32:10,597 that you could lie to me about other things. 787 00:32:10,664 --> 00:32:13,500 - Right. I think that's understandable. 788 00:32:13,567 --> 00:32:15,102 - I just wish you would have been honest. 789 00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:18,305 The whole scamming thousands of men, like, 790 00:32:18,372 --> 00:32:22,376 that's really hard to hear. Like, that's really damaging. 791 00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:24,444 - I'm sorry. 792 00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:26,547 I mean, at the end of the day, like, 793 00:32:26,613 --> 00:32:28,081 I just want you to be happy, 794 00:32:28,148 --> 00:32:30,117 even if you're not with me. 795 00:32:30,184 --> 00:32:33,487 But I would definitely want to be with you. 796 00:32:34,988 --> 00:32:38,759 - I'm willing to try to get to know the real you. 797 00:32:38,825 --> 00:32:41,862 But I definitely don't want to rush into nothing. 798 00:32:41,929 --> 00:32:43,897 - I got you. 799 00:32:44,698 --> 00:32:47,434 - All right, well, why don't you go inside. 800 00:32:47,501 --> 00:32:48,535 We're gonna just hang back here for a minute 801 00:32:48,602 --> 00:32:49,703 and just check in with William 802 00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:51,572 and then we'll come in in a few? 803 00:32:51,638 --> 00:32:53,040 - OK, sounds good. - OK, yeah. 804 00:32:53,106 --> 00:32:57,244 - ♪♪ Why is loving you so hard ♪♪ 805 00:32:57,311 --> 00:32:59,746 ♪♪ ♪♪ 806 00:32:59,813 --> 00:33:02,182 ♪♪ Why is letting go the hardest ♪♪ 807 00:33:02,249 --> 00:33:04,418 - Are you attracted to her? 808 00:33:04,484 --> 00:33:06,420 - I don't know. I mean, 809 00:33:06,486 --> 00:33:09,056 it's hard for me to even think about her physical appearance 810 00:33:09,122 --> 00:33:10,858 and me being attracted to her physical appearance 811 00:33:10,924 --> 00:33:13,727 because I feel so unattracted that she's been lying. 812 00:33:13,794 --> 00:33:16,496 - If that's how you feel, I don't want you to go in there 813 00:33:16,563 --> 00:33:18,899 being the sweet, compassionate person you are 814 00:33:18,966 --> 00:33:20,234 and give her the impression that 815 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:21,535 she can earn your trust back 816 00:33:21,602 --> 00:33:23,837 and then you're good to go. - Right. 817 00:33:23,904 --> 00:33:29,076 - ♪♪ I tried to hold on so tight ♪♪ 818 00:33:29,142 --> 00:33:31,678 ♪♪ But you left when I needed you most ♪♪ 819 00:33:31,745 --> 00:33:34,781 - I mean, the scamming thousands of men, like-- 820 00:33:34,848 --> 00:33:37,117 - It does raise the concern of, like, 821 00:33:37,184 --> 00:33:39,653 when someone gets that comfortable lying-- 822 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,954 - That they could do it all the time. 823 00:33:41,021 --> 00:33:43,156 - Right. That it might be hard to sort of-- 824 00:33:43,223 --> 00:33:46,260 - Come out of that. It's like lying is like nothing to her. 825 00:33:46,326 --> 00:33:47,561 - ♪♪ Now it's too late ♪♪ 826 00:33:47,628 --> 00:33:49,162 - Yeah. 827 00:33:49,229 --> 00:33:51,698 - The only thing that I think's really gonna matter to her 828 00:33:51,765 --> 00:33:54,201 is hearing from you that 829 00:33:54,268 --> 00:33:56,870 her behavior has changed the way you see her. 830 00:33:56,937 --> 00:33:57,971 - Right. 831 00:33:58,038 --> 00:34:01,508 - That's important for her to know. 832 00:34:01,575 --> 00:34:03,911 - ♪♪ And now it's too late ♪♪ 833 00:34:09,149 --> 00:34:10,918 - Just make sure she knows how you really feel. 834 00:34:10,984 --> 00:34:11,952 - Right. 835 00:34:12,019 --> 00:34:14,955 [soft music] 836 00:34:15,022 --> 00:34:17,191 ♪♪ ♪♪ 837 00:34:17,257 --> 00:34:18,525 - Come on in. 838 00:34:18,592 --> 00:34:19,927 Make yourselves at home. 839 00:34:19,993 --> 00:34:21,929 ♪♪ ♪♪ 840 00:34:21,995 --> 00:34:23,230 - [sighs] 841 00:34:23,297 --> 00:34:25,666 All right, so I do think we need to figure out 842 00:34:25,732 --> 00:34:28,802 what moving forward for you guys looks like 843 00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:31,772 so that everyone's clear what to expect. 844 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:33,407 - OK. 845 00:34:34,508 --> 00:34:36,143 I mean, if I didn't care about you, 846 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:39,746 I wouldn't have came on here to meet you 847 00:34:39,813 --> 00:34:42,482 when I'm so embarrassed and so disgusted by, like, 848 00:34:42,549 --> 00:34:44,218 the way I look and my weight, 849 00:34:44,284 --> 00:34:45,919 and if I look, like, too manly 850 00:34:45,986 --> 00:34:48,255 or my insecurities. - But you don't though. 851 00:34:48,322 --> 00:34:51,792 - Like, my last boyfriend, the one that, like, 852 00:34:51,859 --> 00:34:54,294 I started lying after we broke up, the last thing 853 00:34:54,361 --> 00:34:56,630 he said to me was, "Are you really gonna leave? 854 00:34:56,697 --> 00:34:58,131 Do you think a guy is gonna want to be with 855 00:34:58,198 --> 00:35:00,868 a fat-ass tranny?" 856 00:35:00,934 --> 00:35:07,174 And I mean, that has just, like, stuck with me. 857 00:35:07,241 --> 00:35:10,344 [crying] And that's something I just haven't dealt with 858 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:12,045 or healed from yet. 859 00:35:12,112 --> 00:35:14,715 And that's kind of why I've, like, created 860 00:35:14,781 --> 00:35:18,685 this, I guess, persona online 861 00:35:18,752 --> 00:35:22,489 to, like, cope with feeling that way. 862 00:35:22,556 --> 00:35:25,692 And having somebody you love tell you something like that 863 00:35:25,759 --> 00:35:28,529 is just--it really sucks. 864 00:35:28,595 --> 00:35:32,766 So that's why I started, like, doing what I've been doing, 865 00:35:32,833 --> 00:35:35,035 just to, like, cope with it. 866 00:35:35,102 --> 00:35:39,173 And that's why I've been scamming guys. 867 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,545 Like, why not when that's the way I'm treated by them? 868 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,816 - What's kind of your experience been like 869 00:35:49,883 --> 00:35:52,886 transitioning in a place like Arkansas? 870 00:35:52,953 --> 00:35:54,288 - Hell. 871 00:35:54,354 --> 00:35:56,990 [soft emotional music] 872 00:35:57,057 --> 00:35:58,792 Um... 873 00:35:58,859 --> 00:36:01,862 the people, of course, haven't been the nicest. 874 00:36:01,929 --> 00:36:04,898 I grew up in, like, a super religious home. 875 00:36:04,965 --> 00:36:07,401 I feel like I was basically taught growing up 876 00:36:07,467 --> 00:36:09,903 to, like, hate myself. 877 00:36:11,538 --> 00:36:13,941 [sobs] 878 00:36:14,007 --> 00:36:16,643 I'm sorry. 879 00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:19,646 ♪♪ ♪♪ 880 00:36:19,713 --> 00:36:23,417 - It's--it's been hard for you. 881 00:36:23,483 --> 00:36:25,018 - Right. 882 00:36:25,085 --> 00:36:28,088 That's why, like, with him, I feel like it's different. 883 00:36:28,155 --> 00:36:29,489 But I, like-- 884 00:36:29,556 --> 00:36:30,691 I wouldn't have came on here 885 00:36:30,757 --> 00:36:32,793 if I didn't genuinely care about you 886 00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:36,029 and have feelings for you. 887 00:36:36,096 --> 00:36:38,966 - I'm glad you did. I'm glad we finally got to meet. 888 00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:43,036 I just wish you could've been honest with me from the get-go 889 00:36:43,103 --> 00:36:44,872 'cause I love the person that you are. 890 00:36:44,938 --> 00:36:46,940 Like, I love the way we talk. 891 00:36:47,007 --> 00:36:48,542 I love the way we laugh, the music. 892 00:36:48,609 --> 00:36:51,111 But... [sighs] 893 00:36:51,178 --> 00:36:55,716 The scamming thousands of men, that really scares me 894 00:36:55,782 --> 00:36:57,951 because it's like, 895 00:36:58,018 --> 00:37:01,221 almost like lying has become easy to you. 896 00:37:01,288 --> 00:37:03,524 And so-- 897 00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:07,995 not the way you look, 898 00:37:08,061 --> 00:37:09,796 but the fact of all the lying 899 00:37:09,863 --> 00:37:13,834 has made me feel less attracted towards you. 900 00:37:13,901 --> 00:37:16,403 And that--that's really-- 901 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:18,872 that--that's really hurt me. 902 00:37:18,939 --> 00:37:20,440 - I think that's understandable. 903 00:37:20,507 --> 00:37:21,808 And I'm sorry. 904 00:37:21,875 --> 00:37:24,878 - And I forgive you. 905 00:37:24,945 --> 00:37:28,649 I'm just--just really hurt. 906 00:37:28,715 --> 00:37:30,651 ♪♪ ♪♪ 907 00:37:30,717 --> 00:37:32,819 [sighs] 908 00:37:32,886 --> 00:37:35,088 Still, after all this, I don't want to block you. 909 00:37:35,155 --> 00:37:39,026 I don't want to kick you out of my life or nothing. 910 00:37:39,092 --> 00:37:41,795 I think we could be friends. 911 00:37:41,862 --> 00:37:44,698 And if you're having these problems with depression 912 00:37:44,765 --> 00:37:48,368 or anything like that, I'll be there for you. 913 00:37:48,435 --> 00:37:49,503 - Same to you. 914 00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:52,806 - And I appreciate that. 915 00:37:52,873 --> 00:37:55,008 - This is a good place to leave it. 916 00:37:55,075 --> 00:37:57,144 We'll say goodbye and we'll head out. 917 00:37:57,211 --> 00:37:59,613 ♪♪ ♪♪ 918 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,583 - Thank you. - Yes, ma'am. 919 00:38:02,649 --> 00:38:04,451 ♪♪ ♪♪ 920 00:38:04,518 --> 00:38:06,353 - I look forward to building our friendship. 921 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:08,488 - For sure. Me too. 922 00:38:08,555 --> 00:38:09,489 - All right, well, look. 923 00:38:09,556 --> 00:38:12,726 You are a good person. 924 00:38:12,793 --> 00:38:15,195 And you've been through some [bleep]. 925 00:38:15,262 --> 00:38:17,364 I don't think you are someone that wants to 926 00:38:17,431 --> 00:38:19,766 or looks for opportunities to take advantage of people. 927 00:38:19,833 --> 00:38:21,568 You made mistakes, and I feel hopeful 928 00:38:21,635 --> 00:38:23,237 that's all now in your past. 929 00:38:23,303 --> 00:38:25,372 So I just don't want you to think that somehow 930 00:38:25,439 --> 00:38:29,042 we see you as this, like, dark, evil person, 931 00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:30,611 'cause you're very clearly not. 932 00:38:30,677 --> 00:38:31,812 - Thank you. 933 00:38:31,879 --> 00:38:33,280 - And you deserve good things. 934 00:38:33,347 --> 00:38:35,182 - Yeah, and you do. You really do. 935 00:38:35,249 --> 00:38:36,316 - Yeah. 936 00:38:36,383 --> 00:38:37,518 ♪♪ ♪♪ 937 00:38:37,584 --> 00:38:39,520 - It was nice meeting you. - You too. 938 00:38:39,586 --> 00:38:40,654 - It was good to meet you. 939 00:38:40,721 --> 00:38:41,889 - Appreciate y'all. 940 00:38:41,955 --> 00:38:43,056 - Take care of yourself. 941 00:38:43,123 --> 00:38:45,993 - You're so pretty. - Oh, so are you. 942 00:38:46,059 --> 00:38:47,761 - It was nice meeting you. - You too. 943 00:38:47,828 --> 00:38:49,830 - Y'all be safe. - We will. 944 00:38:49,897 --> 00:38:51,298 - Thanks for having me over. 945 00:38:51,365 --> 00:38:53,166 - Thank you. 946 00:38:53,233 --> 00:38:57,437 - ♪♪ Life became an ocean that I'm sinking in ♪♪ 947 00:38:57,504 --> 00:38:59,206 ♪♪ ♪♪ 948 00:38:59,273 --> 00:39:00,941 - Well? 949 00:39:01,008 --> 00:39:02,309 What's next for you? 950 00:39:02,376 --> 00:39:05,345 - ♪♪ To a never-ending sad song ♪♪ 951 00:39:05,412 --> 00:39:08,582 - I guess I'll just go back out there and see 952 00:39:08,649 --> 00:39:12,953 what's out there for me and stuff like that, but... 953 00:39:13,020 --> 00:39:15,989 [sighs] Maybe stay off Facebook Dating. 954 00:39:16,056 --> 00:39:19,126 - I have a feeling you're gonna be just fine. 955 00:39:19,193 --> 00:39:21,028 - I really appreciate that, man. 956 00:39:21,094 --> 00:39:22,629 That was really solid. 957 00:39:22,696 --> 00:39:24,431 - ♪♪ Turn back time ♪♪ 958 00:39:24,498 --> 00:39:27,668 ♪♪ ♪♪ 959 00:39:27,734 --> 00:39:29,536 - Sup? - Hey! 960 00:39:29,603 --> 00:39:30,771 - Hey, William. 961 00:39:30,838 --> 00:39:31,939 - What's up, Will? - What's up? 962 00:39:32,005 --> 00:39:34,741 - Anything from Carmella since we saw you? 963 00:39:34,808 --> 00:39:37,077 - Uh, so we've remained friends. 964 00:39:37,144 --> 00:39:38,979 And we talk occasionally. 965 00:39:39,046 --> 00:39:41,949 But we don't talk nearly as much as we used to. 966 00:39:42,015 --> 00:39:43,250 - That's understandable. 967 00:39:43,317 --> 00:39:45,719 There's no flirtation or romance there anymore 968 00:39:45,786 --> 00:39:47,154 or is there? - No. 969 00:39:47,221 --> 00:39:49,556 - And is that on your part or is that on her part? 970 00:39:49,623 --> 00:39:50,924 - I would say a little bit of both. 971 00:39:50,991 --> 00:39:52,259 - You guys are cool? - Yep. 972 00:39:52,326 --> 00:39:55,095 - And what about you? Have you met anyone else? 973 00:39:55,162 --> 00:39:57,164 - I've went on a few dates. 974 00:39:57,231 --> 00:39:58,799 But I'm kinda just playing the field, 975 00:39:58,866 --> 00:40:00,367 seeing where it takes me. 976 00:40:00,434 --> 00:40:02,936 Wanna make sure I make the right choice this time. 977 00:40:03,003 --> 00:40:05,305 - Play the field, date around, enjoy. 978 00:40:05,372 --> 00:40:07,341 - All right, well, nice to see you. 979 00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:08,575 - Nice to see y'all too. 980 00:40:08,642 --> 00:40:09,843 - Bye. - Y'all have a good one. 981 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:11,245 Nice talking to y'all. 982 00:40:11,311 --> 00:40:13,614 - Hey! - Hi, Carmella girl. 983 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,948 - How are y'all? - What's up? 984 00:40:15,015 --> 00:40:16,717 - We're good. How are you? 985 00:40:16,783 --> 00:40:17,985 - Um, things are good. 986 00:40:18,051 --> 00:40:19,786 I've just honestly been chilling, 987 00:40:19,853 --> 00:40:21,288 staying off social media. 988 00:40:21,355 --> 00:40:23,023 I actually deleted my accounts. 989 00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:24,291 - Well, that's a huge deal. 990 00:40:24,358 --> 00:40:27,060 - You had a lot of accounts. - Yeah. [laughs] 991 00:40:27,127 --> 00:40:29,229 I just kind of, you know, reflected afterwards 992 00:40:29,296 --> 00:40:31,064 and realized just 'cause someone hurt me, 993 00:40:31,131 --> 00:40:33,267 I don't have to go out and hurt other people. 994 00:40:33,333 --> 00:40:34,735 - Yeah. 995 00:40:34,801 --> 00:40:36,770 - I think this was definitely a step forward, for sure. 996 00:40:36,837 --> 00:40:38,572 - Are you dating, seeing anyone? 997 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,440 - Um, not right now, no. 998 00:40:40,507 --> 00:40:42,709 At this point, I need to just worry about 999 00:40:42,776 --> 00:40:44,144 getting myself together. 1000 00:40:44,211 --> 00:40:46,380 - Well, we really enjoyed meeting you. 1001 00:40:46,446 --> 00:40:49,216 Hopefully this experience has course-corrected you towards 1002 00:40:49,283 --> 00:40:51,552 a happier version of yourself. 1003 00:40:51,618 --> 00:40:53,687 - Thank you. I really appreciate you guys. 1004 00:40:53,754 --> 00:40:55,889 - I like the side pone. 1005 00:40:55,956 --> 00:40:57,291 Cute. - [laughs] 1006 00:40:57,357 --> 00:40:59,726 - Bye, Carmella. Thank you. - Yeah, nice to see you. 1007 00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:01,562 - Bye. Good seeing you. - Bye. 1008 00:41:18,612 --> 00:41:25,752 ♪♪ ♪♪