1 00:00:07,075 --> 00:00:09,110 - * MTV * 2 00:00:09,177 --> 00:00:12,113 - I've added Alex on suggested friends. 3 00:00:12,180 --> 00:00:13,247 We hit it off really quick, 4 00:00:13,314 --> 00:00:15,916 so I decided to do an image search. 5 00:00:15,983 --> 00:00:18,419 The first profile that popped up was a mug shot. 6 00:00:18,486 --> 00:00:19,620 - Oh. 7 00:00:19,687 --> 00:00:21,255 - Let's do a search just for Alex. 8 00:00:21,322 --> 00:00:22,690 Oh! - Oh, my God. 9 00:00:22,756 --> 00:00:24,458 - Why do this kind of stuff to people? 10 00:00:24,525 --> 00:00:25,793 - It may or may not be true. 11 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:27,261 - I'm here to get some answers. 12 00:00:27,328 --> 00:00:29,863 - See if there's anyone in here. 13 00:00:29,930 --> 00:00:31,465 Hello? Oh. 14 00:00:31,532 --> 00:00:34,168 [dramatic musical sting] 15 00:00:34,235 --> 00:00:36,504 - Hey, guys, and welcome back to "Catfish." 16 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:37,971 Kamie is not available. 17 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:41,075 So despite my best efforts to recreate her, 18 00:00:41,142 --> 00:00:42,410 it's just not gonna do it. 19 00:00:42,476 --> 00:00:44,745 But maybe with a little bit of magic, 20 00:00:44,812 --> 00:00:47,915 we can bring this cohost to life. 21 00:00:47,981 --> 00:00:50,618 So I thought maybe we put a little bit of music on 22 00:00:50,684 --> 00:00:52,186 and just sort of see what happens. 23 00:00:52,253 --> 00:00:53,787 All right, so let's just see. How about this? There we go. 24 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:55,055 [upbeat music playing] 25 00:00:55,123 --> 00:00:57,091 Okay. 26 00:00:57,158 --> 00:00:58,259 Come on, Kamie. 27 00:00:58,326 --> 00:00:59,593 I need a cohost. 28 00:00:59,660 --> 00:01:02,196 Come on, cohost. 29 00:01:02,263 --> 00:01:04,832 Ooh. Wait a second. 30 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:06,900 - * It's a bitter pill to swallow * 31 00:01:06,967 --> 00:01:09,069 * Gave it all, but you're still hollow * 32 00:01:09,137 --> 00:01:11,004 - Hey! Hey! 33 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:13,207 Arlissa. - Hello. 34 00:01:13,274 --> 00:01:15,343 - It worked. - It worked! 35 00:01:15,409 --> 00:01:16,844 * You still check up on me * 36 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:20,047 - Arlissa is a powerhouse singer-songwriter 37 00:01:20,114 --> 00:01:22,716 from London who has always used music 38 00:01:22,783 --> 00:01:24,252 as a true expression of healing. 39 00:01:24,318 --> 00:01:25,886 Her worldwide viral hits 40 00:01:25,953 --> 00:01:28,021 amassed over 100 million views. 41 00:01:28,088 --> 00:01:31,159 She's co-written for the likes of BTS, Nas, Ariana Grande, 42 00:01:31,225 --> 00:01:32,993 and even wrote a song shortlisted 43 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:35,796 for Best Original Song at the Oscars. 44 00:01:35,863 --> 00:01:37,431 Welcome, Arlissa. 45 00:01:37,498 --> 00:01:38,866 We're honored to have you. 46 00:01:38,932 --> 00:01:40,401 It's nice to meet you officially. 47 00:01:40,468 --> 00:01:42,069 - Lovely to meet you too, Nev. 48 00:01:42,136 --> 00:01:44,172 This is kind of wild. I actually love this show. 49 00:01:44,238 --> 00:01:45,706 I've watched it for years. 50 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:47,341 I feel like everyone 51 00:01:47,408 --> 00:01:48,776 watches "Catfish." - Thank you. 52 00:01:48,842 --> 00:01:50,444 Hopefully some of them will be here because of you. 53 00:01:50,511 --> 00:01:52,213 - I'm excited. 54 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,148 - Well, let's start with the most important role 55 00:01:54,215 --> 00:01:56,850 of any cohost, and that is using-- 56 00:01:56,917 --> 00:01:58,319 it used to be called the Max Cam. 57 00:01:58,386 --> 00:01:59,687 Now it's the Kamie Cam. 58 00:01:59,753 --> 00:02:02,690 But for this episode, it'll be your cam. 59 00:02:02,756 --> 00:02:04,458 And you can basically do whatever you want with it. 60 00:02:04,525 --> 00:02:06,126 Yeah, exactly. - Okay. 61 00:02:06,194 --> 00:02:07,928 I love it. I love it. 62 00:02:07,995 --> 00:02:09,663 - And that's pretty much it. You ready? 63 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:11,332 - I'm ready. - Let's do it. 64 00:02:11,399 --> 00:02:13,033 Open up the old email. 65 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:15,169 "Dear Nev and"-- 66 00:02:15,236 --> 00:02:16,437 - Arlissa. - Arlissa. 67 00:02:16,504 --> 00:02:17,571 - "My name is Jeremy." 68 00:02:17,638 --> 00:02:19,273 - * Got my attention * 69 00:02:19,340 --> 00:02:20,641 * My new obsession * 70 00:02:20,708 --> 00:02:22,543 - "And I'm a 30-year-old nursing assistant 71 00:02:22,610 --> 00:02:25,012 "living in Bradford, Arkansas. 72 00:02:25,078 --> 00:02:30,184 About six months ago, I met a guy named Alex online." 73 00:02:30,251 --> 00:02:32,953 - * Made me feel like I just died and went to heaven * 74 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:37,258 - "We hit it off really great and quickly fell in love. 75 00:02:37,325 --> 00:02:40,261 "I live in a small town with limited options. 76 00:02:40,328 --> 00:02:43,864 "I'm the only gay guy that I know of in my area. 77 00:02:43,931 --> 00:02:45,799 "I've been looking for the right guy 78 00:02:45,866 --> 00:02:47,568 "to settle down with, and it seemed 79 00:02:47,635 --> 00:02:49,837 like Alex could be the one." 80 00:02:49,903 --> 00:02:51,505 * Tell me how your feelings * 81 00:02:51,572 --> 00:02:53,207 * Wound up disappearing * 82 00:02:53,274 --> 00:02:54,842 * Overnight * 83 00:02:54,908 --> 00:02:56,377 - "But about a month into the relationship, 84 00:02:56,444 --> 00:03:00,180 "he was supposed to drive down from Kentucky to visit me. 85 00:03:00,248 --> 00:03:03,584 After saying he was an hour away, he ghosted me." 86 00:03:03,651 --> 00:03:05,018 - Oh. 87 00:03:05,085 --> 00:03:07,221 - "Two months later, he reached out to apologize 88 00:03:07,288 --> 00:03:09,657 and explained that he'd gotten cold feet." 89 00:03:09,723 --> 00:03:11,692 - * My heart's a ghost town * 90 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:12,993 * When you're not around * 91 00:03:13,060 --> 00:03:14,528 - "I quickly forgave him. 92 00:03:14,595 --> 00:03:15,963 Maybe too quickly." - Yes. 93 00:03:16,029 --> 00:03:17,931 - "And we picked up where we left off. 94 00:03:17,998 --> 00:03:20,601 "But over the months, I started noticing issues 95 00:03:20,668 --> 00:03:22,270 "with the pictures he was sending me. 96 00:03:22,336 --> 00:03:24,638 "One day, his beard would be short, 97 00:03:24,705 --> 00:03:26,307 "and the next day, it was long. 98 00:03:26,374 --> 00:03:29,677 "Then his child went from being an eight-year-old kid 99 00:03:29,743 --> 00:03:32,045 to a toddler." - Oh, wow. 100 00:03:32,112 --> 00:03:34,248 Okay, this is getting a little bit wild. 101 00:03:34,315 --> 00:03:35,649 - "I couldn't ignore that. 102 00:03:35,716 --> 00:03:37,217 "So finally, I image searched the photos, 103 00:03:37,285 --> 00:03:39,787 "and they went back to a totally different guy 104 00:03:39,853 --> 00:03:41,322 named Hunter." 105 00:03:41,389 --> 00:03:43,624 - * Locked down, got no way out * 106 00:03:43,691 --> 00:03:45,526 - "I immediately questioned Alex about what was going on. 107 00:03:45,593 --> 00:03:48,128 He gave me an explanation, but it doesn't make sense." 108 00:03:48,195 --> 00:03:49,730 - * I'm running out of ways * 109 00:03:49,797 --> 00:03:51,932 - "I thought I'd finally found someone special 110 00:03:51,999 --> 00:03:54,802 "to make a life with, but how can I know 111 00:03:54,868 --> 00:03:57,805 "if anything he's told me was really true? 112 00:03:57,871 --> 00:04:00,541 I would greatly appreciate your help. 113 00:04:00,608 --> 00:04:04,278 Jeremy." 114 00:04:04,345 --> 00:04:06,246 - Aww, Jeremy. 115 00:04:06,314 --> 00:04:10,150 - Clearly, this guy is aware that something's going on. 116 00:04:10,217 --> 00:04:11,319 He figured out that this guy has been 117 00:04:11,385 --> 00:04:12,720 using someone else's pictures. 118 00:04:12,786 --> 00:04:15,489 - I'm not feeling too good about this guy, you know. 119 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:17,658 - Let's call Jeremy. - Okay. 120 00:04:17,725 --> 00:04:20,160 [line trills] 121 00:04:21,529 --> 00:04:23,096 - Hello, Jeremy? 122 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:25,899 - Yes, hey, it's Nev from "Catfish." 123 00:04:27,034 --> 00:04:28,268 - Pretty good, man. How are you? 124 00:04:28,869 --> 00:04:30,270 - Well, I just read your email. 125 00:04:30,338 --> 00:04:33,641 And sitting next to me is my cohost 126 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:35,743 for this episode, Arlissa. 127 00:04:35,809 --> 00:04:37,210 - Hello, Jeremy. 128 00:04:38,446 --> 00:04:41,148 - Are you still now talking with Alex? 129 00:04:44,485 --> 00:04:45,653 - Oh. So wait. 130 00:04:45,719 --> 00:04:47,355 So give us--give us the update. 131 00:04:59,667 --> 00:05:01,535 - You mean because it could just be someone else saying, 132 00:05:01,602 --> 00:05:02,803 "Hi, my name is Alex"? 133 00:05:05,373 --> 00:05:08,208 - Wait, was the guy in the video not the same 134 00:05:08,275 --> 00:05:09,176 as Alex's pictures? 135 00:05:10,411 --> 00:05:12,513 - Wow, okay, well, look, we wanna help you. 136 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:13,947 - Very much so. 137 00:05:14,014 --> 00:05:15,783 - I mean, are you ready to get some answers 138 00:05:15,849 --> 00:05:17,184 and find out the truth? 139 00:05:18,118 --> 00:05:19,186 - Great. We'll see you soon. 140 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:25,693 - Oh, Jeremy. - He sounds very kind. 141 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,227 - This thing with the video sounds wild. 142 00:05:27,294 --> 00:05:28,596 You ready to learn more? - Yeah. 143 00:05:28,662 --> 00:05:30,698 - Let's pack up. - Let's do it. 144 00:05:30,764 --> 00:05:32,065 - * Come celebrate with me * 145 00:05:32,132 --> 00:05:33,901 * All the sinners, all the freaks * 146 00:05:33,967 --> 00:05:35,469 - We are in Arkansas. 147 00:05:35,536 --> 00:05:36,704 - We made it. 148 00:05:36,770 --> 00:05:37,871 - Cute little town up here. 149 00:05:37,938 --> 00:05:40,273 - Hmm! - Let's check it out. 150 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:43,777 Drive through Main Street for a second. 151 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:45,846 - It is very cute. 152 00:05:45,913 --> 00:05:48,181 - And that's it. That's the town. Okay. 153 00:05:48,248 --> 00:05:49,650 [laughter] 154 00:05:49,717 --> 00:05:51,752 I see what he means now when he says 155 00:05:51,819 --> 00:05:54,154 there aren't a lot of people nearby 156 00:05:54,221 --> 00:05:56,924 and that he might be the only gay guy in the area, 157 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:58,392 at least that he knows of. 158 00:05:58,459 --> 00:05:59,793 - Yeah. 159 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:02,095 I'm not--yeah, I'm not seeing much around. 160 00:06:02,162 --> 00:06:03,597 - No. 161 00:06:03,664 --> 00:06:05,999 - * Love keeps spinning inside of devotion * 162 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:10,003 * Love for you as deep as the ocean * 163 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:11,905 - This is it. - Okay. 164 00:06:11,972 --> 00:06:13,373 - You ready? - I'm ready. 165 00:06:13,441 --> 00:06:15,776 - [grunts] 166 00:06:15,843 --> 00:06:18,646 Ooh. 167 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:19,713 - Oh, yeah. 168 00:06:19,780 --> 00:06:21,081 - Hey, how's it going? 169 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:24,017 - Oh, sorry. You caught me. - [laughs] 170 00:06:24,084 --> 00:06:25,318 - I was checking out your scooter. 171 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:27,054 You ride that thing? - I don't. 172 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,622 My nieces and nephews do. - Hey, man. 173 00:06:28,689 --> 00:06:30,424 - Nice to meet you. - How you doing? 174 00:06:30,491 --> 00:06:31,592 - Good. I'm Jeremy. 175 00:06:31,659 --> 00:06:32,593 - Jeremy, pleasure. - Hi, Jeremy. 176 00:06:32,660 --> 00:06:33,761 - Hi. - Arlissa. 177 00:06:33,827 --> 00:06:35,062 - Arlissa. Nice to meet you. 178 00:06:35,128 --> 00:06:37,264 - You wanna come inside? - Sure. 179 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:39,199 - Oh, thank you. 180 00:06:39,266 --> 00:06:41,001 - You're welcome to sit down. - Thank you. 181 00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:43,270 - All right. So you're a nurse? 182 00:06:43,336 --> 00:06:44,805 - No, I'm a CNA. - Okay, so-- 183 00:06:44,872 --> 00:06:46,073 - I'm like a step below a nurse. 184 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:48,341 - Okay. - I really love helping people. 185 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:49,810 - That's amazing. 186 00:06:49,877 --> 00:06:51,945 You seem like a really caring, sweet, lovely person. 187 00:06:52,012 --> 00:06:53,681 - It's very rewarding. - That's awesome. 188 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:56,149 We went for a little drive coming up through here. 189 00:06:56,216 --> 00:06:57,718 It's pretty beautiful. - Yeah. 190 00:06:57,785 --> 00:07:00,353 - But you date men. 191 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,823 - Yes, sir. I've only ever dated men. 192 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:05,225 - Which I can imagine is not easy around here. 193 00:07:05,292 --> 00:07:06,727 - No, not at all. 194 00:07:06,794 --> 00:07:08,962 - So have you had a boyfriend, 195 00:07:09,029 --> 00:07:10,430 like a significant relationship? 196 00:07:10,498 --> 00:07:13,300 - Yeah, I've had two significant relationships. 197 00:07:13,366 --> 00:07:15,135 - And how did you meet those guys? 198 00:07:15,202 --> 00:07:16,403 - Online. 199 00:07:16,470 --> 00:07:18,839 - Okay, so what app do you typically get on? 200 00:07:18,906 --> 00:07:20,373 - Facebook Dating. - Oh, okay. 201 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,309 Is that where you met Alex? - Yeah. 202 00:07:22,375 --> 00:07:25,245 I've added Alex on suggested friends. 203 00:07:25,312 --> 00:07:27,781 He was very attractive, and we started messaging. 204 00:07:27,848 --> 00:07:29,850 We hit it off really quick, texting, 205 00:07:29,917 --> 00:07:31,619 calling on the phone for hours. 206 00:07:31,685 --> 00:07:33,487 We talk about everything, 207 00:07:33,554 --> 00:07:36,056 like my career in the medical field, his kid, 208 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:37,991 what they did on the weekends. 209 00:07:38,058 --> 00:07:40,427 Really, we talk about anything and everything. 210 00:07:40,494 --> 00:07:41,495 - What does Alex do? 211 00:07:41,562 --> 00:07:43,664 - He said he's a roofer. - Okay. 212 00:07:43,731 --> 00:07:46,433 - And a month into us dating, 213 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,368 he was supposed to come down here from Kentucky. 214 00:07:48,435 --> 00:07:52,305 He messaged me every time he stopped for gas. 215 00:07:52,372 --> 00:07:55,075 Then when he was an hour away in Memphis, 216 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:56,677 I lost all contact with him. 217 00:07:56,744 --> 00:07:58,378 - [gasps] 218 00:07:58,445 --> 00:08:01,348 - I went to the extent of contacting 219 00:08:01,414 --> 00:08:04,184 the Memphis Police Department to see if any accidents 220 00:08:04,251 --> 00:08:06,453 were reported matching his description that day. 221 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,058 Because for five days, he wouldn't answer me, respond. 222 00:08:11,124 --> 00:08:13,060 I had to make a fake phone number 223 00:08:13,126 --> 00:08:15,262 to call him from before he actually answered. 224 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:16,697 - Wow. 225 00:08:16,764 --> 00:08:17,831 - When he answered, I was like, hey, I just wanted 226 00:08:17,898 --> 00:08:19,199 to make sure you was okay. 227 00:08:19,266 --> 00:08:20,768 And then he hung up on me. 228 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:22,135 - Oh. 229 00:08:22,202 --> 00:08:24,104 - So we stopped talking for a month or so. 230 00:08:24,171 --> 00:08:25,873 Then, finally, he messaged me back one day 231 00:08:25,939 --> 00:08:27,875 and asked if he could call me. 232 00:08:27,941 --> 00:08:29,442 He called me and apologized. 233 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:33,981 His excuse was that he got cold feet and turned around. 234 00:08:34,047 --> 00:08:36,784 I was excited, I guess, from talking to him again 235 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:38,619 because we did hit it off really well. 236 00:08:38,686 --> 00:08:41,454 So I kind of brushed it off, I guess you can say. 237 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:44,157 We considered ourselves dating again pretty quick. 238 00:08:44,224 --> 00:08:45,826 There was, you know, some red flags, 239 00:08:45,893 --> 00:08:47,494 like he wouldn't video chat 240 00:08:47,561 --> 00:08:50,130 because he said his camera was broke. 241 00:08:50,197 --> 00:08:53,133 He had sent me a picture of his son one weekend, 242 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,970 and the picture that he had sent me was of a toddler. 243 00:08:57,037 --> 00:08:59,206 And the previous picture I had seen of him 244 00:08:59,272 --> 00:09:01,609 and his son, his son is eight years old. 245 00:09:01,675 --> 00:09:05,779 But also, some of his pictures, like his beard would be longer. 246 00:09:05,846 --> 00:09:09,216 And he would just be like, well, I groomed more that day 247 00:09:09,282 --> 00:09:11,051 or something stupid like that. 248 00:09:11,118 --> 00:09:13,954 So I decided to do an image search, 249 00:09:14,021 --> 00:09:17,891 and the first profile that popped up was a mug shot. 250 00:09:17,958 --> 00:09:19,226 - Whoa. - Yeah. 251 00:09:19,292 --> 00:09:22,062 And it was a gentleman with a different name 252 00:09:22,129 --> 00:09:23,430 and a different age. 253 00:09:23,496 --> 00:09:24,698 - But same guy. 254 00:09:24,765 --> 00:09:26,233 - Yes, same guy. 255 00:09:26,299 --> 00:09:29,202 And so I messaged him, and I'm just like, hey, 256 00:09:29,269 --> 00:09:30,804 well, I think I found your twin. 257 00:09:30,871 --> 00:09:32,973 And funny story is, he lives in Kentucky, it says. 258 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:33,907 - Which is where Alex says he lives. 259 00:09:33,974 --> 00:09:35,242 - Yes. - Yeah. 260 00:09:35,308 --> 00:09:37,144 - So he says that he legally changed 261 00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:38,946 his first and last name. 262 00:09:39,012 --> 00:09:41,915 - Okay, so now he's saying that those pictures are of him. 263 00:09:41,982 --> 00:09:43,250 - Yes, sir. 264 00:09:43,316 --> 00:09:45,085 - So he was arrested for something. 265 00:09:45,152 --> 00:09:47,120 - Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. - And what about the age? 266 00:09:47,187 --> 00:09:48,555 - Age did not match up, either. 267 00:09:48,622 --> 00:09:50,758 - How old was the guy in the picture? 268 00:09:50,824 --> 00:09:52,092 - 24. - Okay. 269 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:53,761 - And he's supposed to have been 34. 270 00:09:53,827 --> 00:09:55,362 - Right. - Big difference. 271 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:56,697 - Yeah. 272 00:09:56,764 --> 00:09:57,965 So at this point, are you believing any of this? 273 00:09:58,031 --> 00:09:59,700 - Not really, no. - No. 274 00:09:59,767 --> 00:10:03,036 - It's kind of a little bit too far fetched for me to believe. 275 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:04,504 - But are you saying to him, like, come on, 276 00:10:04,571 --> 00:10:05,873 quit the bullshit. 277 00:10:05,939 --> 00:10:07,574 - Then, I don't think-- no, I probably wasn't. 278 00:10:07,641 --> 00:10:09,509 We were planning on meeting, so I was--you know, 279 00:10:09,576 --> 00:10:11,578 I was gonna, I guess, ask him to his face. 280 00:10:11,645 --> 00:10:15,448 Well, a day before us meeting, he said, 281 00:10:15,515 --> 00:10:18,518 I'm not the person I've been sending you pictures of. 282 00:10:18,585 --> 00:10:20,654 I was like, okay, well, send me a video 283 00:10:20,721 --> 00:10:22,389 of you saying, "Hey, it's Alex. 284 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:24,257 This is me." And he sends it, 285 00:10:24,324 --> 00:10:25,826 but I don't know that it really was him. 286 00:10:25,893 --> 00:10:30,363 - Was the guy in the video similarly attractive or...? 287 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:32,465 - No. - No? Okay. 288 00:10:32,532 --> 00:10:33,767 - Was a... 289 00:10:34,668 --> 00:10:35,568 I mean-- 290 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,570 - Can we see... - Yes. 291 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:40,674 - Alex sort of pre- and post-reveal? 292 00:10:40,741 --> 00:10:43,076 - Sure. Yes. 293 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:44,912 - Okay, so this is who he said he used to be. 294 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:46,079 - Yes. This is-- 295 00:10:46,146 --> 00:10:47,380 - The first guy that you-- - Yeah. 296 00:10:47,447 --> 00:10:49,416 Very attractive. - Mm-hmm. 297 00:10:49,482 --> 00:10:51,451 - And then this is post Alex. 298 00:10:51,518 --> 00:10:52,853 - Oh, yeah. 299 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,887 So it's a really different person. 300 00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:55,288 - Yes. - Very different. 301 00:10:55,355 --> 00:10:57,157 - Okay, this is video. 302 00:10:57,224 --> 00:10:58,458 You can barely hear it. 303 00:10:58,525 --> 00:11:00,127 - Why is the volume so low? Is that weird? 304 00:11:00,193 --> 00:11:02,229 - Yeah, I'm not sure why it is. 305 00:11:02,295 --> 00:11:03,997 But he's saying, "Hey, Jeremy. 306 00:11:04,064 --> 00:11:05,665 It's me, Alex." - All right, cool. 307 00:11:05,733 --> 00:11:06,800 Here, we wanna go back over there. 308 00:11:06,867 --> 00:11:08,401 - Yes, sir. 309 00:11:08,468 --> 00:11:11,204 I don't want to automatically reject somebody. 310 00:11:11,271 --> 00:11:13,240 I mean, because it-- looks aren't everything. 311 00:11:13,306 --> 00:11:15,175 But, you know, something like that, if you've 312 00:11:15,242 --> 00:11:16,877 been talking to somebody for, like, five months. 313 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:18,578 This has to sink in. 314 00:11:18,645 --> 00:11:20,313 He called me right after he sent the video, and he's like, 315 00:11:20,380 --> 00:11:21,614 so what do you think about my video? 316 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,683 He wanted to go straight back into, 317 00:11:23,751 --> 00:11:24,952 everything's supposed to be fine. 318 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:26,319 - Hmm. 319 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:28,388 - And that makes me feel uncomfortable 320 00:11:28,455 --> 00:11:30,223 because you sent pictures of somebody 321 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:31,925 that wasn't the person I thought 322 00:11:31,992 --> 00:11:33,193 I was sending pictures to, you know? 323 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:34,627 - Yeah. - Yeah. 324 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:36,063 - It makes me feel in a type of way 325 00:11:36,129 --> 00:11:37,564 that he has my pictures and stuff. 326 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:40,133 - Also, have you guys had conversations that were-- 327 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,835 or texts that were, like, sexual? 328 00:11:41,902 --> 00:11:43,336 - Yes. 329 00:11:43,403 --> 00:11:44,838 - What about, like X-rated pictures? 330 00:11:44,905 --> 00:11:46,006 - Yes. 331 00:11:46,073 --> 00:11:47,908 - Is sending sexy pictures something 332 00:11:47,975 --> 00:11:49,676 that you typically do? 333 00:11:49,743 --> 00:11:51,144 - No, not typically. 334 00:11:51,211 --> 00:11:53,680 - So that was already outside of your comfort zone. 335 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:54,815 - Yes. 336 00:11:54,882 --> 00:11:56,249 - But he kept asking or what? 337 00:11:56,316 --> 00:11:58,051 - Yes, sir. 338 00:11:58,118 --> 00:12:00,420 Kept pressing me for it, so I just did it. 339 00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:02,155 - Has he ever asked for money? 340 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:03,423 - He didn't necessarily ask. 341 00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:05,993 He had mentioned that he wished he had-- 342 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:07,594 had already gotten paid. 343 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:11,064 And so I offered to send him $20. 344 00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:13,100 - And did he accept? - Yes. 345 00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:14,267 - How did you send that? 346 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:15,869 - I sent it on Cash App. 347 00:12:15,936 --> 00:12:20,640 And the Cash App belonged to who he said was his aunt. 348 00:12:20,707 --> 00:12:22,309 - That obviously doesn't make any sense. 349 00:12:22,375 --> 00:12:23,510 - Yeah. - No. 350 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:26,113 - But you still like talking to him. 351 00:12:26,179 --> 00:12:27,547 - Yes, I do like talking to him. 352 00:12:27,614 --> 00:12:29,016 - So you have very conflicting feelings. 353 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:30,383 - Very. - Yeah, that's tough. 354 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:32,252 - That's really tough. - Very. 355 00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:33,653 - Would you say you were in love with him? 356 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,956 - Yes, sir. - You'd say that? 357 00:12:36,023 --> 00:12:37,090 - I would say that. 358 00:12:37,157 --> 00:12:38,058 - Did you say that to each other? 359 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:39,226 - Yes. 360 00:12:39,292 --> 00:12:40,393 - So I mean, that's a real thing. 361 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:41,661 I mean, that doesn't just go away. 362 00:12:41,728 --> 00:12:43,330 - Yeah. 363 00:12:43,396 --> 00:12:45,332 - Do you want to pursue that still, that connection, 364 00:12:45,398 --> 00:12:46,900 despite everything? 365 00:12:46,967 --> 00:12:48,535 - There's a possibility, I guess. 366 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:51,171 Because, I mean, it wasn't just his looks. 367 00:12:51,238 --> 00:12:52,806 - It's actually really heartbreaking. 368 00:12:52,873 --> 00:12:56,243 I feel like you're having to process a lot here, 369 00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:59,646 and you do deserve to see this person face to face. 370 00:12:59,712 --> 00:13:01,548 I think there's a lot there. - I don't feel that it sink-- 371 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:03,450 it will sink in, really, till then 372 00:13:03,516 --> 00:13:04,885 because it hasn't sunk in yet. 373 00:13:04,952 --> 00:13:06,486 - Yeah. 374 00:13:06,553 --> 00:13:08,588 - But at this point, like, I don't think it's safe for me 375 00:13:08,655 --> 00:13:11,524 to go up and meet him, you know, by myself. 376 00:13:11,591 --> 00:13:13,126 - There's something about Alex that scares you a little. 377 00:13:13,193 --> 00:13:14,461 - Yeah, kind of. 378 00:13:14,527 --> 00:13:16,930 Like, I mean, the fact that he thinks 379 00:13:16,997 --> 00:13:20,067 that this is all right to do. 380 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:22,569 - All right, well, look, send us the stuff you have, 381 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:24,004 and we'll see what we can find out. 382 00:13:24,071 --> 00:13:25,138 - I appreciate the help. 383 00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:26,840 - All right. 384 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:28,775 We'll get out of here. - Thank you. 385 00:13:28,842 --> 00:13:30,878 - Yeah. Good to meet you, man. - Lovely to meet you. 386 00:13:30,944 --> 00:13:33,180 - Nice to meet you as well. - See you. 387 00:13:34,747 --> 00:13:36,416 Oh, lord. 388 00:13:36,483 --> 00:13:39,219 - Jeremy is a very sweet man. 389 00:13:39,286 --> 00:13:40,988 - Really, really, really sweet. 390 00:13:41,054 --> 00:13:44,691 - And I get the sense that Alex is really preying on him. 391 00:13:44,757 --> 00:13:46,960 - I feel so intensely for Jeremy 392 00:13:47,027 --> 00:13:48,795 because he's formed an emotional connection 393 00:13:48,862 --> 00:13:51,531 with this guy based on a lie. So that sucks. 394 00:13:51,598 --> 00:13:53,700 But they've had too many conversations. 395 00:13:53,766 --> 00:13:56,203 He's sent intimate photos of himself. 396 00:13:56,269 --> 00:13:58,605 If I put myself in that mindset, yeah, 397 00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:00,908 there's a world where I absolutely would be like, look, 398 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:04,577 I did not waste my time here for nothing. 399 00:14:04,644 --> 00:14:06,880 You are gonna meet me, and you're gonna tell me 400 00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:08,515 why you did this. 401 00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:25,265 [upbeat music] 402 00:14:25,332 --> 00:14:27,234 - Thank you very much. - Mm-hmm. 403 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,736 This place is cool. 404 00:14:29,802 --> 00:14:32,239 All right, so this is the part where we recap 405 00:14:32,305 --> 00:14:34,841 what we've learned thus far. 406 00:14:34,908 --> 00:14:37,344 - Okay, guys, so this is what's happened. 407 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:39,812 Jeremy meets Alex online. 408 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:42,415 They get to talking. They're having a nice time. 409 00:14:42,482 --> 00:14:45,618 Alex sends a bunch of photos to Jeremy. 410 00:14:45,685 --> 00:14:47,754 He's hot. Jeremy's in. 411 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:49,822 However, Alex's phone camera's broken. 412 00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:51,324 - He ghosts him on their planned meet-up. 413 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,459 - He ghosted him. 414 00:14:52,525 --> 00:14:53,994 - And months go by. 415 00:14:54,061 --> 00:14:57,197 Alex pops back up and says, hey, sorry, I got cold feet. 416 00:14:57,264 --> 00:14:59,967 But I'm back, and now let's just pick up where we left off. 417 00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:04,304 - That leads to Jeremy searching Alex's images 418 00:15:04,371 --> 00:15:09,276 and finds out Alex is a totally different person. 419 00:15:09,342 --> 00:15:10,910 - Right, a guy named Hunter. 420 00:15:10,978 --> 00:15:13,480 - Jeremy asked him to send a video saying, 421 00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:15,082 "Hi, this is Alex." 422 00:15:15,148 --> 00:15:19,319 Alex comes clean, and it's not the same guy at all. 423 00:15:19,386 --> 00:15:21,688 So Jeremy's obviously really disappointed. 424 00:15:21,754 --> 00:15:24,757 We've got to figure out who really is Alex and where is he. 425 00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:26,559 And they need to have a little convo. 426 00:15:26,626 --> 00:15:28,861 - For sure. All right, so here we go. 427 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:30,063 Email from Jeremy. 428 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:32,399 "Here's the information I have on Alex." 429 00:15:32,465 --> 00:15:34,968 Wow, his whole name. Alex [bleep]. 430 00:15:35,035 --> 00:15:36,169 - That's cool. 431 00:15:36,236 --> 00:15:37,937 - Phone number, Facebook page, Cash App, 432 00:15:38,005 --> 00:15:39,839 which is weird because it's Jenna Lynn. 433 00:15:39,906 --> 00:15:42,142 I guess that's Alex's aunt. - Yeah. 434 00:15:42,209 --> 00:15:44,444 - "I've asked him if he has any other social media, 435 00:15:44,511 --> 00:15:46,146 and he insists that he doesn't." 436 00:15:46,213 --> 00:15:48,881 All right, let's just run the new Alex's picture 437 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:51,818 and just see if it comes back to anything. 438 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,387 - That's not him. - No. 439 00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:56,423 All right, no hits on these pictures. 440 00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:57,991 So let's keep going. 441 00:15:58,058 --> 00:16:00,727 Let's do a search just for Alex [bleep], 442 00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:02,629 see if that's a real person and he shows up 443 00:16:02,695 --> 00:16:04,864 on the internet anywhere. 444 00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:07,700 Wait, what's this? This is a Twitter? 445 00:16:07,767 --> 00:16:09,369 Another fake account. - Yeah. 446 00:16:09,436 --> 00:16:10,970 - Again with the Hunter pictures. 447 00:16:11,038 --> 00:16:14,041 "Just a simple redneck from Kentucky, 33, gay. 448 00:16:14,107 --> 00:16:16,643 Beware, this profile does contain X-rated--" 449 00:16:16,709 --> 00:16:19,979 oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. - [laughing] 450 00:16:20,047 --> 00:16:21,814 I didn't know you could do that on Twitter. 451 00:16:21,881 --> 00:16:23,750 - You can. You can. - I did not know that. 452 00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:25,118 - Twitter, you can put anything. 453 00:16:25,185 --> 00:16:26,619 - Wow. 454 00:16:26,686 --> 00:16:29,522 - Yeah, this is definitely a profile by the same guy. 455 00:16:29,589 --> 00:16:32,459 - Yes. But it's never his face, ever. 456 00:16:32,525 --> 00:16:34,727 This poor guy, Hunter. 457 00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:36,496 - That's really messed up. - Yes. 458 00:16:36,563 --> 00:16:39,066 - Okay, well, what else can we do? 459 00:16:39,132 --> 00:16:42,535 We know Alex sent his Cash App to Jeremy. 460 00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:44,271 And the Cash App name was Jenna Lynn [bleep]. 461 00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:45,638 - Yeah. 462 00:16:45,705 --> 00:16:49,442 - Let's if we can find Jenna Lynn [bleep]. 463 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:50,910 - What about this person? 464 00:16:52,579 --> 00:16:54,081 - Isn't that kind of weird? 465 00:16:54,147 --> 00:16:58,485 She kind of looks like Alex number two, doesn't she? 466 00:16:58,551 --> 00:16:59,786 Don't they kind look similar? 467 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:03,823 - Oh, my God. Actually... - Right? 468 00:17:03,890 --> 00:17:06,626 I think the long blonde hair is just photoshopped. 469 00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:09,229 - Oh, yeah, the photos are heavily, heavily edited. 470 00:17:09,296 --> 00:17:10,663 - Super filtered. - [gasps] 471 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:12,465 And the eyes are so similar. 472 00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:14,567 Oh, my God. This is mad. 473 00:17:14,634 --> 00:17:15,868 - Kind of looks like-- 474 00:17:15,935 --> 00:17:18,004 - This is wild. That is him. - It's gotta be. 475 00:17:18,071 --> 00:17:22,275 So does that mean that we found Alex's alter ego? 476 00:17:22,342 --> 00:17:24,444 Like, what the hell would that mean? 477 00:17:24,511 --> 00:17:26,379 This is all wild. 478 00:17:26,446 --> 00:17:27,380 The only thing we haven't done yet 479 00:17:27,447 --> 00:17:28,681 is looked up the phone number. 480 00:17:28,748 --> 00:17:31,951 Let's see if we get anything. 481 00:17:32,018 --> 00:17:33,753 - Carl [bleep]. 482 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:34,721 - That could be his real name. 483 00:17:34,787 --> 00:17:36,055 - That's Alex, yeah. 484 00:17:36,123 --> 00:17:37,357 - 31, which-- 485 00:17:37,424 --> 00:17:38,758 - Yeah, that checks out. - Makes sense. 486 00:17:38,825 --> 00:17:40,727 - Not 34. - Kentucky, right? 487 00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:43,263 Okay, so now let's look up Carl [bleep] 488 00:17:43,330 --> 00:17:45,098 and see if we can find a Facebook. 489 00:17:45,165 --> 00:17:46,599 Who's that? That's him. 490 00:17:46,666 --> 00:17:49,302 That's gotta be him. - [gasps] 491 00:17:49,369 --> 00:17:50,837 Oh, my God. 492 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:52,905 - Here's the real guy. - It is him! 493 00:17:52,972 --> 00:17:54,907 - It's definitely the same guy as in the video. 494 00:17:54,974 --> 00:17:56,609 It's him! 495 00:17:56,676 --> 00:17:58,911 Wait, that bandanna looks familiar. 496 00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:02,582 I feel like I saw this back here on Jenna Lynn's page. 497 00:18:02,649 --> 00:18:04,751 Hold on. - Oh, my goodness. 498 00:18:04,817 --> 00:18:08,955 - There it is, the same bandanna! 499 00:18:09,021 --> 00:18:10,557 - Oh, my goodness. - Wow. 500 00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:12,592 That makes a pretty clear connection. 501 00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:15,995 - Yeah, completely. Carl is Jenna Lynn. 502 00:18:16,062 --> 00:18:18,498 - But when Jeremy called him out and said, hey, 503 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:20,233 you're not the guy in the pictures, 504 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:23,636 why not just say, you're right. I'm sorry. My name is Carl. 505 00:18:23,703 --> 00:18:24,937 - I know. - And here's the picture of me. 506 00:18:25,004 --> 00:18:26,973 Because he did send a picture of him. 507 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:28,875 He--like, he came clean about what he looked like, 508 00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:30,777 which is really the biggest piece. 509 00:18:30,843 --> 00:18:33,012 But in the video, he said his name was Alex. 510 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:34,747 And now with this Jenna Lynn account, 511 00:18:34,814 --> 00:18:36,616 we found this whole nother... 512 00:18:36,683 --> 00:18:37,884 - Identity. - Identity. 513 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:39,152 - Yeah. 514 00:18:39,219 --> 00:18:40,587 - But that brings up a whole question of, 515 00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:42,889 was Jenna Lynn catfishing people 516 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:44,957 and getting guys to send money? 517 00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:46,793 Because why else would Jenna Lynn have a Cash App? 518 00:18:46,859 --> 00:18:49,028 - [gasps] - If it's not a real person? 519 00:18:49,095 --> 00:18:52,031 Which raises a whole new set of questions about Carl... 520 00:18:52,098 --> 00:18:53,233 - Yeah. 521 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:56,236 - And how many different people they are 522 00:18:56,303 --> 00:18:57,837 or believe themselves to be. 523 00:18:57,904 --> 00:18:59,406 We may have figured out who Jeremy's talking to. 524 00:18:59,472 --> 00:19:00,773 - Yes. 525 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,675 - But now we have a whole bunch of new questions 526 00:19:02,742 --> 00:19:04,577 about what kind of crazy shit they're up to. 527 00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:06,713 This is not good news for Jeremy. 528 00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:10,750 [line trills] 529 00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:12,285 - * Jeremy * 530 00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:15,855 - Hi, Jeremy. It's Arlissa and Nev. 531 00:19:15,922 --> 00:19:18,024 We've done a bit of digging, 532 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:20,227 and we've definitely found out some things 533 00:19:20,293 --> 00:19:21,561 that we'd love to tell you. 534 00:19:21,628 --> 00:19:23,263 Is there any way we can meet you? 535 00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:30,036 - Caliente. 536 00:19:30,102 --> 00:19:31,438 - Okay, we'll see you in a bit. - All right, thank you. 537 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:32,805 Bye-bye. - Bye. 538 00:19:32,872 --> 00:19:35,141 I don't wanna tell him all the bad news. 539 00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:39,246 - Jeremy's going to be upset and shocked at what we found. 540 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:44,451 Well, there he is. - There he is. 541 00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:45,685 - Hey. 542 00:19:45,752 --> 00:19:47,119 - How's it going? - J-Dawg. 543 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,222 - Yep. This is Caliente. You wanna go in? 544 00:19:49,289 --> 00:19:51,424 - All right, let's do this. 545 00:19:51,491 --> 00:19:52,925 I like it. I like this. 546 00:19:52,992 --> 00:19:56,229 You wanna have a seat? - Sure. Yes. 547 00:19:56,296 --> 00:19:58,331 - Ma'am. - Thank you. 548 00:19:58,398 --> 00:19:59,566 - Ah. 549 00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:00,867 How you doing? - Good. 550 00:20:00,933 --> 00:20:02,469 - You feel okay? - Yeah, a little bit anxious. 551 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:04,371 Have questions that definitely need to be answered. 552 00:20:04,437 --> 00:20:05,538 - Yes. 553 00:20:05,605 --> 00:20:08,174 - Well, we found some stuff. 554 00:20:08,241 --> 00:20:10,076 - Okay. 555 00:20:10,142 --> 00:20:12,111 - Obviously, you started the process when you searched 556 00:20:12,178 --> 00:20:14,247 the photo and already knew, you know, 557 00:20:14,314 --> 00:20:16,983 a pretty meaningful part of the puzzle. 558 00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:19,786 But it turns out the puzzle is a bit 559 00:20:19,852 --> 00:20:21,921 more complicated and larger 560 00:20:21,988 --> 00:20:23,256 than I think any of us had thought. 561 00:20:23,323 --> 00:20:24,557 - Okay. 562 00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:27,026 - Let's start with, we ran this photo of Alex 563 00:20:27,093 --> 00:20:29,696 that he sent you when he finally came clean. 564 00:20:29,762 --> 00:20:31,631 We didn't get any results, 565 00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:33,766 but we googled Alex's full name, 566 00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:35,201 and a few things come up. - Yes, sir. 567 00:20:35,268 --> 00:20:37,203 - First thing we found was a Twitter page, 568 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:40,540 which has his name, the pictures. 569 00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:41,541 Have you ever seen this before? 570 00:20:41,608 --> 00:20:43,343 - No, not at all. 571 00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:44,977 - It says, "Just a simple redneck from Kentucky. 572 00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:47,246 And beware, this profile contains X-rated material." 573 00:20:47,314 --> 00:20:50,082 And then right away, you see that it's mostly porn, 574 00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:52,352 which is, like, surprising. - Yeah. 575 00:20:52,419 --> 00:20:54,220 - Because he's making it look as though this is him. 576 00:20:54,287 --> 00:20:56,856 Not that we can see anyone's face in any of this, 577 00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:59,459 but it's suggesting that this is 578 00:20:59,526 --> 00:21:01,193 his page or his body, his sex. 579 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,162 We know he's not the guy in the pictures. 580 00:21:03,229 --> 00:21:05,031 So it's just like, what is this guy doing? 581 00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:06,633 - Yeah. 582 00:21:06,699 --> 00:21:08,335 - I'm sitting here thinking in my head like, what the hell? 583 00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:09,936 [apprehensive music] 584 00:21:10,002 --> 00:21:12,171 I really don't know what to think right now. 585 00:21:12,238 --> 00:21:15,141 - What's concerning for me is, like, 586 00:21:15,207 --> 00:21:17,209 he's clearly comfortable posting other people's 587 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:20,913 content under false pretenses. - Yeah. 588 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:22,682 - That's, like, wildly inappropriate 589 00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:24,584 and dangerous and harmful in many ways. 590 00:21:24,651 --> 00:21:25,918 - Yes, sir. - Yeah. 591 00:21:25,985 --> 00:21:27,787 - And if he's capable of doing that, 592 00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,989 what else is he capable of? - Exactly. 593 00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:33,360 It makes me wonder, like, about my pictures I've sent him. 594 00:21:33,426 --> 00:21:37,730 You know, has he posted any of my pictures or...? 595 00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:40,567 I just feel kind of disgusted, I guess. 596 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:41,901 - Understandable. 597 00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:43,803 All the more reason why we need to find out 598 00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:45,505 who's behind these profiles. 599 00:21:45,572 --> 00:21:49,008 - Exactly. Yeah. 600 00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:50,577 - So then we thought, okay, we've gotta figure out 601 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,244 what's up with this Cash App account 602 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:53,480 with the name Jenna Lynn. 603 00:21:53,546 --> 00:21:54,981 Who is this Jenna Lynn [bleep] person? 604 00:21:55,047 --> 00:21:57,216 How are they connected to Alex? 605 00:21:57,283 --> 00:21:59,752 So we went to Facebook, and we found 606 00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:03,089 a page for Jenna Lynn [bleep]. 607 00:22:03,155 --> 00:22:04,724 And we started scrolling through it, 608 00:22:04,791 --> 00:22:08,294 and something sort of jumped out at us. 609 00:22:08,361 --> 00:22:11,764 I don't know if you're seeing the same thing we are. 610 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:13,766 - Yeah, that it's him. 611 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:18,905 - It looks an awful lot like the new Alex he sent you. 612 00:22:18,971 --> 00:22:20,940 And when we put them side by side, 613 00:22:21,007 --> 00:22:23,242 it became very clear that they are absolutely... 614 00:22:23,309 --> 00:22:24,377 - Yeah. 615 00:22:24,444 --> 00:22:26,446 - Him using some kind of filter. 616 00:22:26,513 --> 00:22:27,614 - Yeah. 617 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,649 - So that really threw us for a loop. 618 00:22:29,716 --> 00:22:31,283 Alex, obviously, has never mentioned 619 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,152 having identified as a woman. - No. 620 00:22:33,219 --> 00:22:34,921 - Because that would be understandable. 621 00:22:34,987 --> 00:22:36,956 Has Alex ever talked about cross-dressing 622 00:22:37,023 --> 00:22:39,258 or anything like that? - Not at all, not ever. 623 00:22:39,325 --> 00:22:41,160 The way he portrayed himself was that he was, you know, 624 00:22:41,227 --> 00:22:43,930 like a masculine country boy. - Right. 625 00:22:43,996 --> 00:22:45,398 So then it started to dawn on me 626 00:22:45,465 --> 00:22:48,735 that maybe he's catfishing as Jenna Lynn 627 00:22:48,801 --> 00:22:51,070 and getting people to send him money. 628 00:22:51,137 --> 00:22:53,640 Because why else would he have a Jenna Lynn Cash App? 629 00:22:53,706 --> 00:22:55,174 - Right. 630 00:22:55,241 --> 00:22:57,810 - It's sort of giving like he could be doing some kind 631 00:22:57,877 --> 00:23:01,313 of romance scam catfish thing. 632 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:02,815 - Yes, sir. 633 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:04,417 - Now, here's where it gets even weirder. 634 00:23:04,484 --> 00:23:07,887 When we ran the phone number that you have for Alex, 635 00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:10,790 we got a new name, Carl. - Carl. 636 00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:14,126 - So then we did a search for Carl [bleep], and we got a hit. 637 00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:15,462 Boom. 638 00:23:15,528 --> 00:23:17,029 Found his Facebook page. 639 00:23:17,096 --> 00:23:19,499 Here he is, definitely the same guy. 640 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:22,001 But what was interesting and jumped out to us about this 641 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:24,370 was that we saw this face mask. 642 00:23:24,437 --> 00:23:27,039 And when we go back to the Jenna Lynn-- 643 00:23:27,106 --> 00:23:28,841 same face mask. - Yeah. 644 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:30,543 - So in case there was any doubt... 645 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:31,678 - Right. 646 00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:33,179 - Now we know for sure 647 00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:35,682 that Jenna Lynn and Alex are all Carl. 648 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:37,116 - Mm-hmm. 649 00:23:37,183 --> 00:23:38,718 - I mean, obviously, I'm probably not the only person 650 00:23:38,785 --> 00:23:40,553 he's been doing this to. 651 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:43,790 [somber music] 652 00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:46,158 There's a lot of questions. 653 00:23:46,225 --> 00:23:47,426 Like, why? 654 00:23:47,494 --> 00:23:49,896 Why do--why do this kind of stuff to people? 655 00:23:49,962 --> 00:23:54,667 - * I won't ever win * 656 00:23:54,734 --> 00:23:56,503 * I won't bend again * 657 00:23:56,569 --> 00:23:59,005 - Why didn't he tell you his name was Carl? 658 00:23:59,071 --> 00:24:00,473 - I've been honest with him about everything 659 00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:01,708 from the get-go. 660 00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:03,743 And I've told him that, you know? 661 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:05,978 I'm a very understanding person as well, 662 00:24:06,045 --> 00:24:09,949 so why just keep on lying about stuff? 663 00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:11,884 - * There's nothing worse * 664 00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,920 * Than a loud sunburst * 665 00:24:13,986 --> 00:24:17,156 * When you feel so low and it's gotten there first * 666 00:24:17,223 --> 00:24:20,126 - I don't know what to really say about it all. 667 00:24:20,192 --> 00:24:21,427 It's really messed up. 668 00:24:21,494 --> 00:24:23,429 It's like it's some big, screwed-up game. 669 00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:24,997 - Yeah. 670 00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:31,571 - I feel kind of numb. 671 00:24:31,638 --> 00:24:36,075 It feels like it still hasn't even sunk in really yet. 672 00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:41,080 - I hope you don't let this take away your kindness. 673 00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:43,049 Because I know that this is really hurtful, 674 00:24:43,115 --> 00:24:45,484 and I know that you must feel really angry. 675 00:24:45,552 --> 00:24:47,019 - Yes, ma'am. 676 00:24:47,086 --> 00:24:50,256 - Now we need to figure out if you still wanna meet him. 677 00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:51,558 - I'd still like to meet him, 678 00:24:51,624 --> 00:24:53,993 just so I can ask him face-to-face why. 679 00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:58,197 I definitely would like to know that my pictures are deleted. 680 00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:03,135 - All right, well, should we reach out and see if 681 00:25:03,202 --> 00:25:05,572 he'll finally agree to meet you? 682 00:25:05,638 --> 00:25:06,939 - I'd like that. 683 00:25:07,006 --> 00:25:07,907 - All right, let's give him a call. 684 00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:10,109 [line trills] 685 00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:13,646 - Hi. 686 00:25:13,713 --> 00:25:15,347 Is this Alex? 687 00:25:16,616 --> 00:25:18,417 - Hey, Alex. 688 00:25:18,484 --> 00:25:22,354 My name's Nev from the show "Catfish." 689 00:25:22,421 --> 00:25:26,425 I am trying to help someone that you know 690 00:25:26,492 --> 00:25:29,528 who has been trying to meet up with you for a while. 691 00:25:30,763 --> 00:25:32,331 - Yes, that is correct. 692 00:25:32,398 --> 00:25:35,201 And I'm hoping that you are willing 693 00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:38,004 to kind of meet up and come clean. 694 00:25:41,507 --> 00:25:44,476 - Okay. Well, I'm happy to hear that. 695 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:46,078 How and when would-- 696 00:25:46,145 --> 00:25:48,681 would we be able to meet up with you? 697 00:25:52,652 --> 00:25:53,853 - Alex? 698 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,789 [tense music] 699 00:25:56,856 --> 00:25:58,357 You still there? 700 00:26:03,229 --> 00:26:05,932 [disconnect tones] 701 00:26:05,998 --> 00:26:07,934 - Was that--was he-- felt like-- 702 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,170 - I think he got a bit spooked. - Let me try calling back. 703 00:26:11,237 --> 00:26:13,973 [line trills] 704 00:26:16,943 --> 00:26:19,478 - Please leave your message. 705 00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:21,748 - Text him. 706 00:26:21,814 --> 00:26:23,315 "Hey, Nev again. 707 00:26:23,382 --> 00:26:24,851 "Not sure if we got disconnected or if you hung up, 708 00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:26,152 "but I appreciate you talking with me 709 00:26:26,218 --> 00:26:27,620 "and being open to meeting up with us. 710 00:26:27,687 --> 00:26:29,588 "We're happy to come to Kentucky and meet you. 711 00:26:29,656 --> 00:26:31,090 "Please confirm that if we bring Jeremy up there, 712 00:26:31,157 --> 00:26:33,325 you won't ghost him again." 713 00:26:34,961 --> 00:26:37,463 See if that goes through. 714 00:26:37,529 --> 00:26:39,098 [phone dings] Oh. 715 00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:40,700 He said, "I don't know if I can do this. 716 00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:43,602 I don't want to rush into meeting him and blow it." 717 00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:45,905 Okay. 718 00:26:45,972 --> 00:26:47,807 "I understand. 719 00:26:47,874 --> 00:26:50,176 "I can assure you that showing up now and taking 720 00:26:50,242 --> 00:26:52,111 accountability for your actions is going to be 721 00:26:52,178 --> 00:26:53,713 your best chance at forgiveness." 722 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:57,549 - I mean, not really-- 723 00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:00,386 not wanting to take accountability for what he did. 724 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,388 If you really care about somebody, 725 00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:05,257 then quit playing games with them. 726 00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:06,759 [phone dings] - Oh. 727 00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:09,461 He said, "I appreciate your help, and I apologize. 728 00:27:09,528 --> 00:27:11,330 "I just wanna make a good impression. 729 00:27:11,397 --> 00:27:13,099 "I need to get a haircut, 730 00:27:13,165 --> 00:27:15,301 "buy a new shirt before I can see him. 731 00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:16,602 "I know if I don't show up looking good, 732 00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:18,504 he's not gonna like me." 733 00:27:20,239 --> 00:27:26,112 "Okay, well, could you do all that stuff tomorrow 734 00:27:26,178 --> 00:27:28,180 while we drive up to Kentucky?" 735 00:27:29,682 --> 00:27:31,050 - Ooh. 736 00:27:31,117 --> 00:27:33,285 - Oh, he said, "Let's meet in Richmond. 737 00:27:33,352 --> 00:27:35,521 I'll send you an address tomorrow." 738 00:27:35,587 --> 00:27:41,093 "We will plan on seeing you Saturday." 739 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,762 Well. - Okay. 740 00:27:42,829 --> 00:27:44,096 - It looks like we have a plan. 741 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:45,732 - One step closer to the truth. 742 00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:48,100 - I guess he wants to make a good first impression. 743 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:49,969 So you down for a road trip? 744 00:27:50,036 --> 00:27:51,437 - Yep. - All right, man. 745 00:27:51,503 --> 00:27:53,439 Pack a bag, and we'll figure out a place 746 00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:54,741 to meet tomorrow morning. We'll hit the road. 747 00:27:54,807 --> 00:27:55,942 - Yeah. Yes, sir. 748 00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,676 - Let's do it. - Here we go. 749 00:27:57,744 --> 00:27:59,145 Whoo! 750 00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:00,980 Bye, Jeremy. 751 00:28:01,047 --> 00:28:01,981 See you tomorrow. - See you tomorrow. 752 00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:04,016 Jeremy's obviously in shock. 753 00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:05,317 - It's so heartbreaking. 754 00:28:05,384 --> 00:28:07,686 This is not easy, and he took it like a champ. 755 00:28:07,754 --> 00:28:09,688 - The crazy thing is that I feel like 756 00:28:09,756 --> 00:28:11,623 we've only scratched the tip of the iceberg 757 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,659 with this guy. - I 100% agree. 758 00:28:13,726 --> 00:28:17,063 - What we found might only be a fraction 759 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:20,666 of the messed-up life that this guy's been living online. 760 00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:23,635 Who knows what we're in store for when we get there? 761 00:28:27,139 --> 00:28:29,308 - Morning. - Hi. 762 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:30,609 - Looking good. - Hey. 763 00:28:30,676 --> 00:28:32,678 - Thank you. - How are you? 764 00:28:32,745 --> 00:28:34,180 - Ready to get this show on the road. 765 00:28:34,246 --> 00:28:36,849 - All right. Load up. 766 00:28:36,916 --> 00:28:38,117 - Ooh. 767 00:28:38,184 --> 00:28:39,852 - Okay. 768 00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:41,620 Eight hours. 769 00:28:41,687 --> 00:28:42,654 I can't wait. 770 00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:43,823 - Long trip. 771 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:46,759 - Let's see if he sent an address yet. 772 00:28:46,826 --> 00:28:47,894 Yes. 773 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,929 - It's very cloudy, but it's pretty. 774 00:28:49,996 --> 00:28:51,697 - Enjoy the scenery now because we're about to be 775 00:28:51,764 --> 00:28:53,665 hitting fields as far as the eye can see. 776 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:56,502 [upbeat music] 777 00:28:56,568 --> 00:28:58,637 - * We're ready to go * 778 00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:00,006 * * 779 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,008 * I guess you just didn't know * 780 00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:03,442 * * 781 00:29:03,509 --> 00:29:05,344 * I was already ready to go * 782 00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:07,914 - Whoa, look at all those birds out there. 783 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:10,282 - Oh! Oh, my God. 784 00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:12,684 Oh, my God. That's so wonderful. 785 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:14,186 - Holy moly. 786 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:16,588 - It's so pretty! 787 00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:18,390 - Hopefully that's a good sign. 788 00:29:20,927 --> 00:29:23,095 - * We're ready to go * 789 00:29:23,162 --> 00:29:25,097 * * 790 00:29:25,164 --> 00:29:27,967 * We're ready to go * 791 00:29:28,034 --> 00:29:30,903 * I guess you just didn't know * 792 00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:32,038 * * 793 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:33,973 * We're already ready to go * 794 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,644 * * 795 00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:41,881 - Should we let Carl know that we're an hour away? 796 00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:43,282 - Yeah. 797 00:29:43,349 --> 00:29:45,384 I said, "Hey, we're getting close now." 798 00:29:45,451 --> 00:29:47,253 He said, "Okay. See you tomorrow." 799 00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,221 - Still no address? - No. 800 00:29:49,288 --> 00:29:50,422 The closer we're getting, I think it's starting 801 00:29:50,489 --> 00:29:51,757 to all sink in a little bit. 802 00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:54,393 Was anything he told me true at all? 803 00:29:59,832 --> 00:30:00,900 - Today is the day. 804 00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:02,368 I see you've got your big final day-- 805 00:30:02,434 --> 00:30:04,236 - I've got my reveal dress on. 806 00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:05,704 I'm ready. 807 00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:07,273 But I'm nervous. 808 00:30:07,339 --> 00:30:08,640 You've done this a bunch of times. 809 00:30:08,707 --> 00:30:10,709 I'm--I'm like--I've got the... 810 00:30:10,776 --> 00:30:12,011 - Right. 811 00:30:12,078 --> 00:30:14,213 - The anticipation wobbles. 812 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,547 - There's a lot that could come out. 813 00:30:15,614 --> 00:30:16,515 - Yeah. [knocking on door] 814 00:30:16,582 --> 00:30:18,284 - Oh, there he is. Come on in. 815 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,419 What's up? - Good morning. 816 00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:21,520 - Here. - You look lovely. 817 00:30:21,587 --> 00:30:23,189 - Have a seat. What do you got? 818 00:30:23,255 --> 00:30:25,024 Any response since the texts last night? 819 00:30:25,091 --> 00:30:26,492 - He just now messaged back. 820 00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:30,129 "You can meet me at this park, Catalpa Park." 821 00:30:30,196 --> 00:30:31,563 - Okay, cool. 822 00:30:31,630 --> 00:30:34,700 Why don't you tell him that we can be there in, like, 823 00:30:34,766 --> 00:30:35,734 30 minutes? 824 00:30:35,801 --> 00:30:36,969 - Okay. 825 00:30:37,036 --> 00:30:38,437 - How are you feeling about all this? 826 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:40,940 - I'm anxious, ready to find out some answers. 827 00:30:41,007 --> 00:30:43,142 - We still don't know if they'll show up 828 00:30:43,209 --> 00:30:46,578 and who's gonna show up. 829 00:30:46,645 --> 00:30:48,247 But we better get going 830 00:30:48,314 --> 00:30:49,748 if we're gonna make this happen. 831 00:30:49,815 --> 00:30:52,118 Let's do it. 832 00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:53,552 - Whoo! 833 00:30:53,619 --> 00:30:55,287 - We had to get a new car 834 00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:58,090 because we had a flat after that long drive. 835 00:30:58,157 --> 00:31:00,459 [apprehensive music] 836 00:31:00,526 --> 00:31:03,629 - Ooh. I'm nervous. 837 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:05,731 I can't imagine how nervous you must be. 838 00:31:05,797 --> 00:31:07,366 - Here we go. 839 00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:08,867 [phone dings] - Oh. 840 00:31:08,935 --> 00:31:13,372 He's asked for a change of place. 841 00:31:13,439 --> 00:31:14,473 - Like, to meet him somewhere else? 842 00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:16,175 - Yeah. - Now where? 843 00:31:16,242 --> 00:31:19,111 - So, "Hey, I went to the park, but it was way too crowded. 844 00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:21,180 "My friend rents a house on a farm. 845 00:31:21,247 --> 00:31:22,982 Can we meet there instead?" 846 00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:25,117 - Okay. - We're just 15 minutes away. 847 00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:26,452 That's fine. - All right. 848 00:31:26,518 --> 00:31:30,089 Well, a house on a farm? 849 00:31:30,156 --> 00:31:31,723 Nothing's easy with this guy. 850 00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:32,824 - No. 851 00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:39,831 * * 852 00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:44,770 - Really getting out into the sticks here. 853 00:31:44,836 --> 00:31:46,405 - Very secluded. 854 00:31:48,407 --> 00:31:49,875 - Nice. 855 00:31:54,246 --> 00:31:55,747 Okay. 856 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,418 - Lots of horses. - Nice. 857 00:31:59,485 --> 00:32:01,620 - Moment of truth. - Yeah. 858 00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:04,690 - It all boils down to this. - Mm-hmm. 859 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:06,258 - Feel confident? You ready to-- 860 00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:07,859 - Yeah, I'm ready to get some answers. 861 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:09,528 - Yeah. - Let's see what's what. 862 00:32:11,897 --> 00:32:12,898 - Thank you, Jeremy. 863 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:15,001 - Yes, ma'am. - You're so nice. 864 00:32:16,868 --> 00:32:18,204 - See if there's anyone in here. 865 00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:24,676 * * 866 00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:26,012 Hello? 867 00:32:29,181 --> 00:32:30,349 Oh. 868 00:32:32,818 --> 00:32:35,487 [apprehensive music] 869 00:32:35,554 --> 00:32:37,856 - See if there's anyone in here. 870 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:42,361 Hello? 871 00:32:42,428 --> 00:32:43,695 - Hi. 872 00:32:43,762 --> 00:32:44,763 - Oh. 873 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:45,931 He's in here. 874 00:32:45,998 --> 00:32:47,433 - Oh, God. 875 00:32:50,002 --> 00:32:51,937 - Hi. 876 00:32:52,004 --> 00:32:54,173 I'm Nev. 877 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,508 - Carl. - Carl. Good to meet you. 878 00:32:58,077 --> 00:33:02,048 Well, got Jeremy here, who you know. 879 00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:04,250 And Arlissa. - Hi. 880 00:33:04,316 --> 00:33:05,784 - Hi. 881 00:33:05,851 --> 00:33:07,219 Nice to meet you. 882 00:33:07,286 --> 00:33:08,920 Um... 883 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:11,357 I'm sorry I lied. 884 00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:15,261 My feelings for you were true. 885 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:16,528 I do love you. 886 00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:17,963 I care about you. 887 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,135 - I mean, that's-- 888 00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:26,938 that's just hard for me to believe with all of this. 889 00:33:28,607 --> 00:33:32,378 Why go to those lengths to lie to me? 890 00:33:32,444 --> 00:33:36,115 - I was just really nervous and afraid that you wouldn't 891 00:33:36,182 --> 00:33:38,016 accept me for who I was. 892 00:33:39,351 --> 00:33:41,653 - What was actually true? 893 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,623 I mean, what about the son? 894 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:46,858 - I don't have a son. 895 00:33:46,925 --> 00:33:50,462 - What about, like, the different accounts? 896 00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:53,499 Like Jenna Lynn? 897 00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,067 - I don't know who that is. 898 00:33:57,002 --> 00:33:59,105 - Well, the Cash App was Jenna Lynn. 899 00:33:59,171 --> 00:34:03,175 And then you had a Facebook in that person's name. 900 00:34:03,242 --> 00:34:04,576 - Um... 901 00:34:06,812 --> 00:34:11,083 Jenna Lynn is my name that I use for drag. 902 00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:14,086 - But just now, when he asked you who Jenna Lynn was, 903 00:34:14,153 --> 00:34:16,322 you said, "I don't know who that is." 904 00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:20,592 Your default response was to lie. 905 00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:22,594 Why put her name on a Cash App? 906 00:34:22,661 --> 00:34:24,062 Can you explain that? 907 00:34:24,130 --> 00:34:25,397 - I don't know. 908 00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:28,634 I just--I thought 909 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:31,637 that I could just use that name as a Cash App. 910 00:34:31,703 --> 00:34:35,641 I didn't know that it would be such a big deal. 911 00:34:35,707 --> 00:34:37,476 - Do you get people to send you money 912 00:34:37,543 --> 00:34:39,145 as Jenna Lynn who don't it's you? 913 00:34:39,211 --> 00:34:40,746 - No. - No. 914 00:34:40,812 --> 00:34:44,150 - I swear it's not like that. 915 00:34:44,216 --> 00:34:46,185 - I mean, I hope that's true. 916 00:34:46,252 --> 00:34:49,020 - What about, like, the Twitter account 917 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:53,759 in Alex's name with a lot of nudity? 918 00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:56,595 Were my pictures that I've sent you 919 00:34:56,662 --> 00:34:59,298 posted on that Twitter account? 920 00:34:59,365 --> 00:35:00,932 - No. - Or anywhere else? 921 00:35:00,999 --> 00:35:01,967 - No. 922 00:35:02,033 --> 00:35:03,735 - I'd really feel more comfortable 923 00:35:03,802 --> 00:35:05,371 if they were deleted. 924 00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:08,340 - I don't have any pictures of you on my phone, I swear. 925 00:35:08,407 --> 00:35:10,642 - It's kind of hard for me to believe with all-- 926 00:35:10,709 --> 00:35:13,179 with everything. - I understand. 927 00:35:13,245 --> 00:35:15,981 But I'm telling you the truth. 928 00:35:16,047 --> 00:35:18,850 - So how long have you been making up these fake profiles? 929 00:35:18,917 --> 00:35:21,820 - Since after high school. 930 00:35:21,887 --> 00:35:24,523 - What about specifically this profile? 931 00:35:24,590 --> 00:35:25,857 - Three years. 932 00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:28,227 - Okay, so before Alex, you had other pages? 933 00:35:28,294 --> 00:35:29,661 - Yeah. 934 00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:31,363 - Do you know what made you start catfishing? 935 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:35,701 - Romantically, there's nobody to talk to in my town. 936 00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:37,669 That's why that I go online. 937 00:35:37,736 --> 00:35:41,207 - Have you ever tried dating just 938 00:35:41,273 --> 00:35:44,042 without using a fake person? 939 00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:45,411 - Yeah, I have. 940 00:35:45,477 --> 00:35:47,145 But it didn't go nowhere. 941 00:35:47,213 --> 00:35:49,815 I wasn't getting anybody interested. 942 00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:52,618 - And that's what led you to start creating fake ones? 943 00:35:52,684 --> 00:35:55,687 - Yeah. I did it for attention. 944 00:35:57,256 --> 00:35:58,990 - Is this something that you still wanna keep up, 945 00:35:59,057 --> 00:36:02,894 or do you think it's time to retire all of these lies? 946 00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:04,963 - I can retire them for him. 947 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:06,598 - But don't you think it would be a good idea 948 00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:08,434 to retire them for yourself? 949 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:11,670 - Maybe, yeah. 950 00:36:11,737 --> 00:36:13,672 - Jeremy, if it's okay, 951 00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:17,509 why don't we take a minute, chat for a sec? 952 00:36:17,576 --> 00:36:19,478 We'll be back in a minute. 953 00:36:19,545 --> 00:36:21,046 - Okay. 954 00:36:22,948 --> 00:36:25,284 Hey, I'm just gonna walk down to the house. 955 00:36:25,351 --> 00:36:26,585 - Okay. 956 00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:33,325 - I may be wrong, I just-- I just don't feel like he's-- 957 00:36:33,392 --> 00:36:35,961 I don't know-- being sincere about it all. 958 00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:40,432 - I don't think he gets the emotional pain 959 00:36:40,499 --> 00:36:44,303 of putting yourself out there, being super vulnerable, 960 00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:47,773 and then finding out that it was all a total lie. 961 00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:50,809 And if there is gonna be any hope that he doesn't 962 00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:52,678 do this again to someone else-- 963 00:36:52,744 --> 00:36:54,212 - He needs to take accountability. 964 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,081 - Right. - Right. 965 00:36:56,147 --> 00:36:58,484 - Why don't we go talk to him one more time? 966 00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:05,190 * * 967 00:37:10,829 --> 00:37:13,732 All right. How are you feeling? 968 00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:16,201 - I'm glad that everything's out in the open. 969 00:37:16,268 --> 00:37:18,570 I wish things could have went differently. 970 00:37:18,637 --> 00:37:20,672 I messed up a lot. 971 00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:24,242 I didn't mean to hurt him. 972 00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:26,945 - I mean, I get where you're coming from about being 973 00:37:27,012 --> 00:37:30,081 a small town, feeling that the Alex profile 974 00:37:30,148 --> 00:37:33,218 was your way of kind of reaching out from there. 975 00:37:33,285 --> 00:37:35,654 But like, I'm from a small town also. 976 00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:38,223 I live in a town of 600 people. 977 00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:40,892 I didn't go, you know, make another profile 978 00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:42,594 to meet other people like that. 979 00:37:42,661 --> 00:37:43,995 It's hurtful. 980 00:37:44,062 --> 00:37:47,966 I really opened up to you and felt like I knew you. 981 00:37:48,033 --> 00:37:50,702 I felt like there was a lot of potential 982 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:52,738 for there being something. 983 00:37:52,804 --> 00:37:56,041 Me talking to Alex and it not really being 984 00:37:56,107 --> 00:37:58,810 who you said you were, it's like you took that choice 985 00:37:58,877 --> 00:38:01,012 away from me, for me to be able to choose 986 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,281 to catch feelings for you. 987 00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:05,283 It's really messed up. 988 00:38:05,351 --> 00:38:06,318 Just... 989 00:38:09,355 --> 00:38:10,889 It's just hard. 990 00:38:14,393 --> 00:38:16,595 - All I can do is say that I'm sorry. 991 00:38:16,662 --> 00:38:19,097 I never really did mean to hurt you. 992 00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:22,834 - But you did hurt him. 993 00:38:22,901 --> 00:38:25,704 And I'm sure you know that, like, for him to open up 994 00:38:25,771 --> 00:38:29,341 and for him to be vulnerable and for him to send pictures, 995 00:38:29,408 --> 00:38:32,411 which is not something I think he's ever done with anyone, 996 00:38:32,478 --> 00:38:35,347 was a big deal for him. 997 00:38:35,414 --> 00:38:40,285 And then to discover that all of that was part of a lie 998 00:38:40,352 --> 00:38:43,689 makes it feel like it was nothing to you. 999 00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:49,060 - But you weren't a joke to me. 1000 00:38:49,127 --> 00:38:52,598 And when you asked me to send you the video, I did. 1001 00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:55,166 - But you still sent it as Alex. 1002 00:38:58,203 --> 00:39:00,071 - I think it's important that you recognize 1003 00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:06,044 that means deactivate the Alex Facebook, the Alex Twitter. 1004 00:39:06,111 --> 00:39:08,780 You think that's something you're prepared to do? 1005 00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:10,549 - Yeah. 1006 00:39:10,616 --> 00:39:12,484 - I mean, I'm still willing to be your friend, 1007 00:39:12,551 --> 00:39:16,054 but it's gonna take me a long time to be able to trust 1008 00:39:16,121 --> 00:39:18,690 anything you say to me. 1009 00:39:18,757 --> 00:39:23,128 - If Jeremy is willing to start this friendship from scratch, 1010 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,264 you really have to--you have to only be telling the truth. 1011 00:39:26,331 --> 00:39:27,999 - I understand. 1012 00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:31,336 - I guess only time will tell. 1013 00:39:31,403 --> 00:39:32,671 - You feel like you've said everything 1014 00:39:32,738 --> 00:39:34,239 you wanna say, Jeremy? 1015 00:39:34,305 --> 00:39:36,508 - Yeah. 1016 00:39:36,575 --> 00:39:37,676 - All right. 1017 00:39:37,743 --> 00:39:39,811 Well, thank you for meeting up. 1018 00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:41,413 Shall we? 1019 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,414 Maybe walk us out? 1020 00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:44,182 - Yeah. 1021 00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:45,984 - All right. Good to meet you, bud. 1022 00:39:46,051 --> 00:39:46,952 - You too. - All right. 1023 00:39:47,018 --> 00:39:47,919 - Lovely to meet you. 1024 00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:48,954 - All right. 1025 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:50,522 - Bye - Bye. 1026 00:39:50,589 --> 00:39:53,224 - * Look at the state of the world * 1027 00:39:53,291 --> 00:39:55,761 * That was based around so much * 1028 00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:58,063 - How do you feel that went? 1029 00:39:58,129 --> 00:40:00,966 - It feels like it's sort of kind of a relief, I guess. 1030 00:40:01,032 --> 00:40:03,201 I just hope it actually sinks in to him, 1031 00:40:03,268 --> 00:40:06,037 and he does make some changes. 1032 00:40:06,104 --> 00:40:08,807 - * Now you show your true side * 1033 00:40:08,874 --> 00:40:11,376 [upbeat music] 1034 00:40:11,443 --> 00:40:12,511 [computer chimes] 1035 00:40:12,578 --> 00:40:14,212 - Hey, what's up, man? 1036 00:40:14,279 --> 00:40:16,181 - Not much. How's it going? - Good. What's new? 1037 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:18,283 Anything since we last hung out? 1038 00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:19,718 - Not really. 1039 00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:21,720 I've just been working on myself, I guess. 1040 00:40:21,787 --> 00:40:23,522 I haven't been getting out in the dating world again yet. 1041 00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:24,890 - Right. 1042 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,925 - But he's tried messaging me as Alex. 1043 00:40:26,992 --> 00:40:29,728 He still has that account up, still using that account. 1044 00:40:29,795 --> 00:40:30,962 - Wait, really? 1045 00:40:31,029 --> 00:40:32,498 So Carl still has the Alex account, 1046 00:40:32,564 --> 00:40:33,932 and you've seen it active? 1047 00:40:33,999 --> 00:40:35,667 - Yeah, that's where he tries messaging me on. 1048 00:40:35,734 --> 00:40:36,868 - Wow. 1049 00:40:36,935 --> 00:40:38,570 So are you still talking to him or no? 1050 00:40:38,637 --> 00:40:41,607 - No--clearly, he's not changing any of his ways. 1051 00:40:41,673 --> 00:40:43,174 I mean-- 1052 00:40:43,241 --> 00:40:45,511 - Sounds like Carl has a lot of work he needs to do. 1053 00:40:45,577 --> 00:40:47,679 So I think while he's doing that, it's probably best 1054 00:40:47,746 --> 00:40:50,381 that you give him space. 1055 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:51,983 - Yes, sir. 1056 00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:54,486 - There's a big world out there and plenty of wonderful guys 1057 00:40:54,553 --> 00:40:56,121 that would love to meet you. 1058 00:40:56,187 --> 00:40:57,956 - Yes, sir. I appreciate you, Nev. 1059 00:40:58,023 --> 00:40:59,625 - All right, Jeremy. - You take care. 1060 00:40:59,691 --> 00:41:01,259 - Later, bud. 1061 00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:09,000 - Everything about Gabby is top tier. 1062 00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:11,102 We both have sickle cell, so she can relate to it. 1063 00:41:11,169 --> 00:41:12,871 But I send her pictures of me all the time. 1064 00:41:12,938 --> 00:41:14,506 I've gotten like, one. 1065 00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:15,541 - Let's see. What is this? 1066 00:41:15,607 --> 00:41:16,908 - What? - Hello! 1067 00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,409 How do you feel about Ayla? 1068 00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:22,113 - Now we just--oh, wait. Who's that? 1069 00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:23,915 - There is someone walking into the park. 1070 00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:25,116 Definitely coming up here.