- ♪ MTV ♪
- I met Gabby on a dating app.
Everything about her is top-tier.
We both have sickle cell, so she can relate to it.
But I send her pictures of me all the time.
I've gotten, like, one. - That's weird.
- Let's see. What is this?
Oh, hello. - What?
- How do you feel about Ayla?
- How long we gonna wait?
Oh, wait, who's that?
- There is someone walking into the park.
- I can't see that far. - Definitely coming up here.
[dramatic music]
- Well, I thought, because we love
a good, healthy competition...
- Mm-hmm. - On the show,
we could start the episode with a little bit of a--
- A duel.
- So you understand the object is to pop.
OK? - En garde.
[upbeat music]
[balloon pops] - Fucker.
- [laughs] That was fast.
- All right.
- Bring your balloon head over here.
- Get big head another refill. - [gasps]
- Ooh, this face is angrier.
- Yeah, I'm upset. - [laughs]
Whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo. - Get the hell--
- Oh. [balloon pops]
Oh! I did it to myself! - Good.
- Two out of three. OK.
♪ ♪
- Come on, Kamie. - Oh...ly moly.
[laughter] Aggressive.
- Get. Get.
- Ooh, ooh. [balloon pops]
[laughs] - [shrieks] Ooh.
Son of a bitch.
[laughter]
[applause]
That was good. - Whoo.
You ready to start?
- I'm ready. - OK.
What do we got?
"Hey, Nev and Kamie, my name is Ayla."
- ♪ I've been counting ♪
- "I am 24 years old and live in Acworth, Georgia."
- ♪ Minutes, hours ♪
- "I work as a medical technician,
and I've been dating this girl named Gabby for over a year."
- ♪ You got a way with me ♪
- "We met on a lesbian dating app.
"She's 25 and lives in Long island, New York.
She's also incredibly beautiful, like a model."
- Uh-oh.
- "She has a hold on me like no one I've ever known."
- ♪ Don't know what I would do ♪
♪ If I would lose you ♪
- "And what makes it better is that she can
"relate to me on a major level.
"A big part of my life is about dealing
with my sickle cell anemia."
- Mm.
- "When I found out that she has it too,
"I finally had someone who understood me.
And that never happens."
- ♪ Love me ♪
♪ Love me through the pain ♪
- "We're dating now, but I've been waiting
for us to meet in person to make it exclusive."
- Smart.
- "But there are just some things
"that make me wary about her.
"Since I've known her, there have been random times
"she will just go ghost and we don't talk
"for a few days or weeks.
"And I never know why.
She just says it's a mental health break."
- ♪ I know it's not easy ♪
- "When I try to FaceTime her, she either covers her camera
or always has me on pause." - Hmm.
- "I don't know what else to do because I want her to be mine.
But if I don't know who she is, I can't do that."
♪ ♪
"I need help, Nev and Kamie. Your girl, Ayla."
- ♪ Love me through the pain ♪
- I'm just going to say it.
How convenient that this beautiful woman
who looks like a model that you're
talking to that you can't see also has this condition.
You just can never be too certain in these situations.
And I would just--
I'm just saying.
- All right, Ayla needs our help.
So let's give her a ring-a-ding-ding.
[line trills]
- Ayla! - [laughs]
- What's up? It's Nev and Kamie.
- Hi. How's it going?
- How are things in Georgia?
- We just read your email.
Obviously, you and Gabby
have a lot in common and--
and sounds like the foundation
for what could be a wonderful relationship.
But something keeps getting in the way.
- OK, well, look, we want to help you.
So we'll come down there.
We'll get the scoop, and we'll see if we can help.
- All right, we'll see you soon.
- Bye. - Bye.
- Well, did you book the tickets
for the midnight train to Georgia?
- Ah, train's leaving.
- Choo-choo!
- ♪ Colors, beautiful colors ♪
- All right, made it.
Sunny, beautiful Georgia. - So nice.
- We are in A-lanta to see Ayla
because she's gabbing with Gabby.
- Mm-hmm.
Ayla has sickle cell anemia. - Right.
- And Gabby, coincidentally, also has sickle cell.
- Yeah, their shared struggle with sickle cell anemia
is actually one of the things they've really connected on.
- Mm-hmm.
- ♪ We're living bright, colors ♪
- All right.
Cute.
- Very cute.
Oh, she's outside.
- Oh, you see her? - Yes.
- Oh, there she is.
- Hey! - Hi!
- Good to see you.
- You as well.
- Good to meet you. I'm Kamie. - Hi. I'm Ayla.
- Hey. - Nice to meet you.
- Hi! - What's up?
- Oh, my goodness, you're so cool.
- [laughs] - OK.
- Wow, super cute.
[light music]
- In all my years making this show...
- Mm-hmm.
- I'm not sure if anyone's ever used a blanket.
But I love it!
- Well, I feel like you probably have to, right?
- Yeah.
- For her sickle cell, 'cause you get cold often.
Are your hands and feet always cold?
- Yeah, hands and feet are always cold.
And it hits my joints a lot.
It's everyday chronic pain. - Yeah.
- Like, I'm in pain every single day.
- Wow.
- But because I've had to be by myself since I was 16,
I kind of know how to advocate for myself
in hospitals, 'cause a lot of doctors
think that we're drug seekers.
- You've been on your own since you were 16?
Why?
- After my dad passed away,
my mom had a really hard time dealing with it,
and we lost the house.
So I had to start working since I was 16.
And then I was homeless.
So I was driving from, like, Atlanta
to, like, my school fresh off of, like,
license, going to work, driving back, like, every day.
- That's a lot for a 16-year-old.
- Sorry.
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
Yeah, it's, like, hard to live with it as an adult.
And I'm, like, independent.
So I just kind of have to, like, figure it out.
♪ ♪
- You've been through a lot. - Mm-hmm.
- And obviously still going through a lot every day.
But it sounds like you might have found one thing
that makes life a little bit better.
- Mm-hmm.
- Tell us about how you met Gabby...
- Mm-hmm. - And what that's been like.
- It's been great.
I met her on a lesbian dating app.
At first, we were just getting to know each other,
like, on a friendly level.
Then it started to go into, like, a flirtatious level.
And everything about her is just, like, top-tier,
like, even with my sickle cell, 'cause she can relate to it.
She's the first one to ask me if I'm OK.
She'll be on the phone with me on the way to the hospital,
in the hospital all night, like,
asking me if I need anything, even though she's not here.
But, you know, just the fact that you're asking.
Like, a lot of people don't ask me that.
- How did you end up matching with somebody who lives
all the way in Long Island?
- So I'm from New York originally.
- OK. - Yeah.
So I'm always going back and forth.
- So it's kind of just another lucky coincidence,
not that I want to call having sickle cell lucky,
but she also happens to live in New York,
where you often go and are from.
- Yeah.
- Tell us a little bit about her.
What does she do? What is she like?
- So she--I know she's in school to be a nurse.
- And you're in medical tech? - Yeah.
- So you guys have that in common kind of too.
- Yeah, like... - I mean, it's not the same.
- Medical history, but yeah.
- And what is she like?
Tell us about her-- her whole personality.
- She's so nurturing.
And she's comforting.
When I'm talking to her, I don't feel like
I can think about anything else that's happening.
Like, when I say we're on the phone all night laughing,
like, cackling about the dumbest stuff.
- How soon after you guys met
did you start talking on the phone?
- A couple days after. - Oh, so pretty fast.
- Yeah, but as time went on, like,
I just kept trying to FaceTime her.
It'd be the same excuses: "I don't look too good,"
or, "I'm too busy to be, like, on FaceTime."
Then she'll call me, like, regular phone.
- Mm.
- So then I'm like, if you're too busy to be on the phone,
why'd you call?
- And you'd only seen her pictures on the app,
or had you guys exchanged, like, Instagrams or--
- We exchanged Instagrams. I have her Instagram.
- OK.
- She hasn't posted since 2022, though.
- What about just sending each other pictures or videos, then?
- I send her pictures of me all the time.
I've gotten, like, one.
- That's weird. - Yes.
- Well, especially 'cause you describe her
as being beautiful.
- She's beautiful.
- Like a model. - She's stunning.
- When you say like a model, do you mean
because her photos look like professional
model photographs?
- No, she's just really pretty. - OK, OK.
- Have you guys ever planned to meet up?
- Yeah, like, I'm from New York,
so it's not anything weird if I just pop up.
But we'll be on the phone talking about flights.
As soon as, like, I'll be like, OK, I'm about to book it,
something happens. - Hmm.
- She's very vague with everything she tells me.
Like, she'll ghost me for, like, a week or something,
I'll be like, "Are you OK?"
"Oh, yeah, I'm fine.
I just needed a mental health break."
- When was the first time she ghosted?
- Maybe, like, two months of us talking.
- And typically how long does she disappear for?
- Like, weeks. - Weeks?
- Yeah, like, two weeks.
And then she'll come back like nothing happened.
- [laughs]
That would burn me up.
- I mean, that's infuriating.
- Literally, I would be so irate, like.
- How strong do you feel for her?
- I love her. - You love her?
- Do you guys say I love you?
- I've never said it to her before, but I do.
- Have you guys discussed what a future would look like?
- Yeah, we would talk about, like, kids and stuff.
- Oh, wow, like, really talk about it.
I was just talking about, like, moving in together.
- Atlanta or New York. - Right.
- No, yeah, but we got to, like, the kids,
about, like, who would carry the kids.
- So you guys really, like, have talked
about a future together. - Mm-hmm.
- I'm curious to see what she looks like.
- Oh, yeah. - Can we see her Instagram?
- Sure.
- Let's see.
Gabby.
She's cute.
- Wow, all right.
Oh, Brooklyn.
- Oh, yeah.
- That's, like, Red Hook.
- No tagged pictures. - Hmm.
- Interesante.
OK, let's see the texts.
♪ ♪
[clears throat]
You said, "You OK?" And she said, "Yeah, I'm OK.
"Just extra tired.
I get my transfusion Friday, so hopefully that helps."
And then you said, "That should definitely help
"with the fatigue you have.
"Do you get admitted for yours,
or do you like to go to your regular doctor's office?"
And she said, "I go to a hematology clinic."
So that's specific.
- Mm-hmm, that is very convincing
and would be really dark and messed up if she were...
- It would be fucked up. - Pretending.
- Yeah.
- That would break my heart, and I would
never speak to her ever again.
- I really hope it's her. - Be messed up if it wasn't.
- It would be really fucked up if it wasn't.
- As of right now, I do like her.
I do want her.
I just don't want to make it exclusive
if I don't know if she's who she is.
Like, I'm just not doing that.
- Well, if she's a real person, I think we'd find something.
- We're gonna find something.
- All right, let's go.
- Oh.
- Nice to meet you.
- You as well.
- Good to meet you.
- You as well.
- We'll see you tomorrow.
- Drive safe. - Thank you.
♪ ♪
- What do you think? - I want it to work out.
It seems like all the pieces are there,
but there's something that is missing.
- Everybody struggles to find their person.
But for Ayla, it's extra hard because of her sickness.
And the fact that she found someone who she can share that
with, who understands and then can be supportive of her,
I don't know what we're gonna find tomorrow,
but we better find something, because this
is too important to screw up.
[upbeat music]
- I pledge allegiance to the "Catfish" flag.
- International Women's Day.
- Good afternoon.
- Oh, this place is nice. - This is cute!
- Yeah. - Oh, I love it.
[grunts]
- All right, so Ayla and Gabby met each other
on a lesbian dating site.
They're both struggling with sickle cell anemia.
They can understand what they're going through in a way
that very few people can.
- Mm-hmm.
- But it's also a little weird and wildly coincidental
that when Ayla told Gabby she had sickle cell,
Gabby said, "I have sickle cell."
When Ayla was like, "I work in the medical field,"
Gabby was like, "So do I."
"I'm from New York." "I live in New York."
- Mm-hmm.
- And maybe they're just perfect for each other.
- Mm-hmm.
- But also, maybe some of the things Gabby's saying
is sort of based off of things that Ayla's telling her.
- Yeah.
- All right, we've got hopefully an email from Ayla.
Yes, Gabby's info.
OK, her name is Gabby [bleep].
She's 25, lives in Long Island.
And her phone number.
347, that's a New York area code.
Her Instagram is [bleep] beauty.
And there are some pictures attached.
Thank you guys so much.
Let's save these pictures to the DT.
So she did send one selfie, OK.
And there's a picture of her feet up somewhere, like a--
- Hookah lounge. - Something.
- Yeah.
- Oh, nice.
All right, let's go to her Instagram.
See if there's anything else we can get off of that.
[dramatic music]
OK, Gabby.
- We should definitely pull one of these pictures.
- Right.
- That comment was weird.
There's nothing really personal about the comments.
- Yeah, what's weird is that all the comments
on her pictures, mostly everyone
asking for collabs or, like--
- Spam. - Right.
It's not a lot of personal or really anybody
that looks like a friend.
Should we run one of these?
Ooh. Anything? No. - Mm-mm.
Maybe another picture from her Instagram.
- All right, let's see.
Nothing. Run another picture.
- Yeah, that's what I think we should do.
Run this one.
This one's probably even better.
All right, let's see. Search.
- Nothing? - Nothing.
What else do we even have?
- Run the Instagram name, [bleep] beauty.
- OK.
- I imagine this is how Kamala feels with Joe.
She just tells him what to do, and he does it.
- Julissa [bleep].
Who the hell is that?
26. - In Staten Island.
- Ooh. [gasps] Staten Island.
- She's from Long Island. - I mean, it's not Long Island,
but it's New York.
It's close.
Maybe Ayla misheard her.
She thought she said Long Island,
but she actually said Staten Island.
They haven't--I don't know. I'm just saying.
It's an island in New York City area.
I want to see Julissa [bleep].
Let's see who that is.
City, New York City.
OK, here we go.
Whoa, there's only one spelled the right way.
Oh, is that Gabby?
Only one pic on here.
But look, it kind of looks like her.
The nose ring, the lip, right?
- Why is her name Julissa [bleep]?
What the hell?
Well, this does say she's 26.
- Is there anything else? That's it.
That's all that's on this page.
- I mean, is it just a fluke that the Instagram name
comes back to this person?
- I mean, I would say yes, except I do really think
that this girl who's around the right age,
who lives in or was-- is from New York City
looks a lot like Gabby.
- Pull up that picture Ayla sent us of that hookah lounge.
I want to see that. - Oh, right, right.
So let's open that picture and enhance.
♪ ♪
- [bleep] Hookah Lounge.
- [bleep].
- It looks like--yeah.
- Let's see. Where is that?
[bleep] Hookah.
- Mm-hmm. - Oh!
- Staten Island.
That's where Julissa is from.
- That definitely suggests a connection
to the Julissa profile.
- Why would she fake her name, first and last?
- Well, because she doesn't want Ayla to find her.
Maybe she's trying to hide something from her.
If her name is Gabby [bleep],
I feel like we would have found her.
- Maybe that's just her.
- Maybe. I'm not ruling that out.
We haven't found anything that is overtly negative, right?
Her Instagram randomly connected to some other name.
And we happened to find a profile with one picture
that does look a lot like her.
- Could she have changed her name?
- Could she live in Staten Island
instead of Long Island?
- I'm befuddled.
- Now I'm way more confused than I was before we started.
♪ ♪
- Ding-dong. - Hey.
- Hey!
- Good to see you. - You as well.
- You look straight out of a '90s rom-com.
- Thank you. I try.
- Well, we did some research.
I think we probably now have more questions than answers,
but we should go through it and decide what we think
is the appropriate next step.
- Yeah.
- All right, so you sent us this email.
And we thought, OK, let's just get right into it.
And we went to her Instagram page.
For the most part, all the comments on her photos
seem to be pretty impersonal.
- Promo or spam.
There's nothing really personal about the comments,
which is a little strange. - Yeah.
That's weird.
- We downloaded a few of the pictures to search,
but they don't come back to anybody anywhere.
- Stupid.
- So we didn't have a lot left to go off of,
except for her Instagram handle.
So we searched that, and we interestingly
did get one hit for someone named Julissa [bleep].
That's not a name--
- I haven't heard that name.
- When we go to Julissa's details,
we see there is a Julissa [bleep] in New York,
but she's in Staten Island.
- 26.
- And is 26, which we thought,
OK, well, that's pretty close.
She said she's 25. - Mm-hmm.
- Now, it could just be a coincidence,
but the fact that there's a 26-year-old in Staten Island
named Julissa seemed like worth looking into.
- OK. - We went to Facebook.
We looked up Julissa [bleep] in New York,
and we did find one profile for someone that looked
like it could maybe be Gabby.
It's a super tight photo, but got the nose ring.
She's got the lips.
To me, it looked like it could be a younger her.
- Same complexion. - Skin tone, yeah.
- But it's at, like, really weird angle too.
- Exactly. - Maybe it could be her.
- It could be her.
But if this is her, why is her name Julissa [bleep]?
- Could it be that for some reason,
her legal name is Julissa [bleep]
but she doesn't go by that? - What?
- We've had people who have changed their name online
to avoid exes who they were trying
to distance themselves from. - That makes sense, OK.
- Or maybe she's lying about her name to cover something up,
whether it's a relationship.
I don't know if she has a kid.
- It could be anything.
- I'm not playing stepmommy.
- All right, well, let's not--
- Jump to conclusions. - Right.
OK, but look at this.
Kamie noticed that there was a logo
on the back of this chair in this photo that Gabby sent you.
- It's a hookah lounge.
- Right, it's, like, the name of a hookah lounge.
So we looked to see where that is.
And when we looked it up, it's in Staten Island.
- Hmm.
- Now, that wouldn't have been so interesting,
except that we had just finished looking
at a girl's profile who--
- Is in Staten Island.
- And we know that Gabby was there.
- Yeah.
- 'Cause she sent you a picture from that place.
- Mm-hmm.
- Not to say that going from Long Island to Staten Island
is that hard, but it's just another thing
that sort of points towards the Julissa profile.
- What do you make of it?
- It's annoying.
I mean, I want to find out.
Like, I want to know, like,
are you lying to me about something?
Are you hiding something?
Are you hurt? - Mm-hmm.
- What's going on here?
What is it?
- Well, I mean, at this point, I think the only way
we're gonna get an answer is if we get it from her.
♪ ♪
Is it cool if I call her? - Go ahead.
- All right, here we go.
[line trilling]
♪ ♪
- Hey, is this Gabby?
- This is Nev, one of the hosts of the show "Catfish."
I am calling on behalf of Ayla
because she was hoping we could help her finally meet you.
- OK, when you say you don't know if she can handle it,
what do you mean exactly?
- OK, in terms of your feelings, though,
how do you feel about Ayla?
- Yeah.
♪ ♪
- How do you feel about Ayla?
- Yeah.
[dramatic music]
- OK, I understand.
We could just sort of skip this part for the moment,
and I could ask whether or not you would consider
letting us come and meet you.
- OK, well, great.
So where would be a good place to meet?
- OK, great. - [mouthing words]
- So we're obviously in Atlanta now.
If we flew up tomorrow, are you available?
- Oh, great, OK.
So we'll see you tomorrow.
[line beeping]
- I mean, that was a little weird 'cause normally,
people are comfortable saying like, yeah, I have--
I really do have strong feelings
for them or I love them. - I care about them.
- Right. - Something.
That was weird to me.
- That was weird to me too.
That kind of hurt my feelings.
- She said, come meet me in Staten Island.
- Right.
- Not Long Island. - Right.
- Staten Island. - All right.
- Maybe the secret's that she lives in Staten Island,
honestly. [laughter]
That's a deal breaker for a lot of people.
- ♪ Give me something to let go ♪
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
♪ Give me something to let go ♪
- Good morning!
- Good news.
She did text me today.
She sent a park in Staten Island.
She said, this place is close to where I live.
Let me know when you guys are here.
- OK. - So--
- That's a good sign.
- Let's get checked in.
- We only have a few bags, so it shouldn't take very long.
- ♪ Give me something to let go ♪
- We're coming for you, Gabby.
♪ ♪
- ♪ Give me something to let go
- We made it. New York, baby!
- We're back home.
- All right.
OK.
[tense music]
- I will say, the weather has gotten progressively worse.
I don't know if that means anything.
♪ ♪
How are you feeling?
- I feel very conflicted.
I feel like I have a lot of emotions.
If it's the girl in the pictures,
of course I'm gonna be happy to see her.
But in the back of my brain, I'm gonna be like,
what do you have to say to me?
It's you.
Why?
- OK, it's just a couple more blocks.
- My heart is pounding out of my chest right now.
- There it is.
- It don't look like nobody's here.
- I'm gonna say we just got to the park.
[text message swooshes]
- I mean, I definitely didn't see anyone.
There's, like, a little covered gazebo.
We could... - Stand in there, just wait.
- Go stand in there for a minute and see if she comes.
- OK.
♪ ♪
- Ooh, jeez.
♪ ♪
I guess now we just wait.
- I guess so.
- I'm gonna call her.
[line trills]
- Please leave your message for 347--
- Some bullshit.
- I mean, yeah, if she's not gonna come,
she should at least text you.
- At least-- oh, wait, who's that?
- That is someone walking into the park.
- I can't see that far.
Who is that?
- How long we gonna wait?
- You have your phone in case she messages you?
- Mm-hmm.
- I mean, yeah, if she's not gonna come,
she should at least text you.
- At least-- oh, wait, who's that?
- There is someone walking into the park.
- I can't see that far.
- Can't tell.
I mean, I don't know if it's a guy or a girl yet.
Yeah, she's definitely coming up here.
- I think it's her. - It's her?
- I think it's her. - It does look like her, right?
Oh, my God.
- It's her.
- Hi. - Hi.
- What's up?
- How are you? - I'm good. How are you?
- I'm Kamie. - Gabby.
- Nice to meet you.
- So your name really is Gabby?
- Yeah. - Nev.
- [laughs] I'm sorry. I'm nervous.
- Here you are. - Yeah.
- Here we are. - Hi.
[mellow music]
- This girl is fucked. You look pretty.
- You smell good. Thank you. Welcome.
- Thanks for coming.
You had us on the edge of our seats.
- Literally.
What do you have to say?
- Yeah, I mean, you're obviously you.
- Yeah. - So we're very curious.
- So I'll just say everything to get it out the way.
So I am currently married.
But I am separated from this person.
[dramatic music]
- How--OK, this is a lot.
- Yeah, we're gonna need some dates and some timelines.
- How long have you been separated?
- We've been separated for a few years now.
We're still working on a divorce.
- OK.
- Are you going to get a divorce?
- Yeah, we are planning to get a divorce.
She is making it difficult on me, so...
- OK. - That is a thing.
On top of that, I was in a relationship
with somebody else, and...
I am still in love with them.
♪ ♪
- Wow.
- Yeah, I was in a relationship.
It ended last summer.
- So you were in a relationship when you met her?
- Yeah.
- So if you were in a relationship,
why did you, like, take it there with me?
- I kind of just ended up, like, conversating with you,
and things went from one thing to another.
I was nervous 'cause I do like you.
But obviously, like, I am still in love with my ex.
- You're still in love with her?
- Yeah, and I'm still working on getting over her,
so I kind of didn't want it to go any further.
So that's kind of why I avoided kind of,
like, you seeing me and building
more of a connection with me.
- That's fucked.
OK.
Is there anything else?
- No, that's really it.
- So when you started talking to Ayla,
you were happy in your relationship?
- Yeah, I was happy with my relationship.
- And then at what point did you
and your girlfriend break up?
By the way, I'm just gonna walk away.
♪ ♪
- I think I should go with her. - OK.
I do want to keep talking, but I also want Ayla to hear.
- Yeah, I know it's a lot, yeah.
- I'm sorry. - She's fucking married?
And in love with her ex.
What the fuck was that?
- I don't know.
I was not expecting that, at all.
- Are you still in contact with your ex-girlfriend?
- No, no, not at all.
- But you would like to try to get back together with her?
- I mean, I would like to, but I know that she's,
like, completely done.
- So aside from what you haven't told her,
everything you have told her is true?
- Yeah.
- About yourself, about your age
and, like, having sickle cell?
- Yeah, everything else is real, yeah.
- When we searched for you or tried to find anything we could
to confirm who you were, we found a Facebook page
that looks a lot like you.
Do you also go by Julissa?
- No, mm-mm.
- OK.
♪ ♪
- [sighs]
- Like, what the fuck?
Just saying so fucking nonchalantly, oh, I'm married.
- And I don't really know what she's expecting
because of how, like, casual--
- Even off the hook, that shit, it just felt weird.
Like, are you even excited to see me at this point?
- So did you have any kind of hope for the future with Ayla,
like, in terms of how it could go or--
- Yeah, I do.
Hopefully, like, once I just get everything settled
with my ex, and I feel like with a little bit more time,
I hope that me and her are able to move forward.
- You are attracted to her?
- Yeah. - She's your type?
- Mm-hmm.
- Well, I do think that could have been
expressed better to her.
- I hope maybe when she calms down a little bit,
we could probably have a one-on-one talk
and see where things go.
- Should we go, like, out there?
Like, what? 'Cause--
- If you want to ask the questions, we definitely can.
- Like, I don't know what--
I don't even know what to ask.
I don't know.
Let's just--let's just go.
Let's just see what the vibe is.
- From the information I have, it feels pretty fucked up...
- Yeah.
- That you strung her along and you didn't give her
all the info and kind of just, like, selfishly liked
having her there as this option.
- Yeah, I get that.
- And I don't imagine that feels very good.
- Mm-hmm. - Hold on.
They're coming back over.
♪ ♪
- OK, what did we miss?
- I was just asking more questions
about what is and isn't true.
Sounds like most of the things she told you were true.
- OK, but just to confirm, having sickle cell
is something that you deal with?
- Yeah, I do have that, yeah.
- So is that what attracted you to Ayla?
- No, it wasn't only that.
Obviously, her personality as well, yeah.
- But having somebody that you can relate to in that way?
- Yeah, it's--it was a big part, yeah, 'cause, like,
a lot of relationships I've been in, people would just,
like, not be understanding of it and kind of
also leave 'cause of that.
Because not many people could deal
with people who are in the hospital all the time
and in pain.
And--sorry.
♪ ♪
Yeah, so she kind of was just somebody who, like, understood,
like, what I go through.
And I didn't want to lose that.
♪ ♪
- I'm sorry, and we are sympathetic to the fact
that you deal with and struggle with this.
- Gabby, is there anything else you want to say to Ayla?
- I'm just sorry, honestly.
I should have just told you.
♪ ♪
- And there's nothing else?
- No, that's really everything.
- Well, look, I think there is more that needs to be said.
So maybe we can give Ayla some time
and you could be available to meet us again tomorrow.
- Yeah. - OK.
- OK, yeah.
All right, well, I'll be in touch with you.
So hopefully, see you tomorrow. - OK, see you.
- ♪ I feel you near and dear to my heart ♪
♪ I gave you love ♪
♪ And you gave me this fear after dark ♪
- Jesus Christ.
She's very upset.
She's definitely hurt.
- Yeah, I don't blame her.
The thing is, when I was with Gabby alone,
she was, like, open to some future with her.
And when you guys got back, she had nothing.
- ♪ I gave you trust ♪
♪ You disappeared ♪
♪ I gave you love ♪
♪ You gave me fear ♪
♪ I gave you trust ♪
[knocking on door]
- Hey. - Good morning.
- Hey. Good morning.
- [sighs] All right, how was your night?
Anything to report?
- I didn't sleep.
Think my mind was just racing--
questions, concerns.
Obviously, I didn't say a lot last night.
I don't think I really knew what to say.
The energy was off.
Like, I didn't feel like she was excited to see me at all.
Like, it just felt like, oh, I'm married, by the way.
- She probably shouldn't have led with that.
- Well, yesterday when I talked to her alone,
she acted like she does have feelings for you.
It seems like she doesn't know what she wants.
Who knows what she'll say today?
Maybe she'll say, oh, my God, I realize how dumb I've been.
You're so amazing, and I can't believe
I'm still hung up on this ex.
I'm so sorry.
I'd love to give this a try.
- But I'm not opposed to meeting with her again
'cause there's questions.
- Let me just text her to see if we can meet.
- I'll be open-minded. [text messages swooshing]
- She said, OK, sounds good, and she sent her address.
- OK.
- All right, well, let's do it.
- We got to talk to her.
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- I'm getting nervous.
- Nervous to see her or nervous for what she's gonna say?
- Both.
♪ ♪
- All right, this is it.
♪ ♪
[doorbell rings]
- Hi.
- Hello.
- You're good to come in.
- Good to see you again.
- Oh, thanks for having us over.
Obviously, last night was a bit hectic.
You kind of dropped a bomb.
So I think we were hoping today to hear a little bit more
from you, gave Ayla a chance to also
express a little bit more to you.
- So what was the point, like, with me?
Like, what was the point?
If you knew that you didn't want a relationship,
why did you--
- You are an important person to me.
I didn't want to lose you 'cause I do like you.
You are a person that I would date.
But I'm literally emotionally unavailable.
- It just doesn't-- makes no sense,
the way you say that you can't date me or give me 100%.
It's just like, the messages and how you talk to me
does not give that.
- I get that, but, like,
there's actually, like, more of that that I could give.
Like, that's like, bare--
I'm gonna be honest, like, it's bare minimum.
The fact that I do go ghost on you here and there,
it's something that I would never do
to somebody that, like, I'm, like, really dating.
♪ ♪
- You understand how confusing that is
for her to hear 'cause... - No, I know.
- She knew that you guys were not, like, official.
She still felt like she was giving you as much
as she felt like she should and getting back
what felt like a very significant piece of you.
You understand that it hurts for her to hear that, like, oh,
this was, like, hardly even what you would consider,
like, a meaningful connection?
- It just seemed like you just was bored
and you knew that I was there.
- Yeah.
- All this was very pointless.
- Like, you are somebody who's, like,
literally been there for me through--
through everything that I've gone through,
always checking up on me.
And I kind of don't have, like, anybody else
in my life like that.
Like, I really do appreciate that 'cause you're--
you're genuinely a great person.
And on my behalf, I feel like if I told you,
like, I'm married or I'm in a relationship or not,
I was scared that, like, you were just gonna leave
'cause I don't want you, like, to not be in my life
'cause I do care about you.
- So what you just said, you're selfish.
You don't give a fuck.
This whole time, you were fucking married.
You were in a relationship.
But you're talking to me like you want to be my girlfriend.
You were the only person that I had in my life
that actually cared.
But to realize you fucking didn't care.
- No, it's not that. - You don't give a fuck.
- I do care. - You don't.
- I do. - You don't.
- I do care. - You don't.
'Cause if you did, you would have told me.
It could have been an easy text.
Hey, I don't think I'm ready right now for a relationship.
♪ ♪
All this shit could have been avoided
if you were just honest.
♪ ♪
- Yeah.
You're right about everything.
I should have just been honest with you from the jump.
I would have avoided all this.
I do care about you.
I would love to form a friendship with you
if you're even open to that.
If you're not, I'm very understand--
I understand.
- Well, knowing what I know now,
I don't think it would be any type of relationship.
I'm obviously hurt.
- That's understandable.
- But still knowing that we go through the same thing
every day, if you need me in that way,
I'll be there for you 'cause I know how it can get.
I'm not that kind of person.
[pop music]
- ♪ I hate it when I'm gone ♪
- All right.
- ♪ But at least I'll admit it ♪
- OK.
- ♪ Headlights to a collision ♪
♪ And we could turn it on ♪
- I'm sorry.
- It's OK.
- Good meeting you. - You too.
- Nice to meet you.
- ♪ I know ♪
♪ I got issues too ♪
♪ Trust me ♪
♪ Now that you're gone ♪
♪ It's never been easier to move on ♪
- How do you feel?
- Upset.
- ♪ Everything's better now that you're gone ♪
- Looking to the future, if you do stay in touch,
you think you'll be able to be friends with her?
- Maybe.
- ♪ Now that you're gone ♪
♪ ♪
♪ Everything's better now that you're gone ♪
[computer rings]
- Hello. - Hey.
You're looking as beautiful as ever.
- Thank you.
- I hope you're feeling beautiful.
- Oh, no, really?
- Yeah, I was there for 12 days, but I'm OK now.
- Wow, while you were in the hospital
and since we filmed, have you and Gabby talked?
- I did reach out.
I did, 'cause I was like,
I had no one else to really understand me.
So I did text her, but it's not how it was before.
- And you're OK with that? - Yeah.
But other than that--
- Well, it was an unfortunate circumstance,
but I think you handled it really well.
- Thank you.
- And I'm glad you're feeling better.
And I hope you have a nice summer.
- Thank you. You as well.
- All right, Ayla.
Bye.
[computer rings] - Hello.
- What's up, Gabby?
- I've had better days. - Oh.
- I was in the hospital for, like, 10 days.
- Wait, 'cause I just talked to Ayla,
and she just got out of the hospital.
- Yeah, we was in the hospital at the same time.
- Wow. Man, sorry.
Well, aside from your physical health,
how are things in the aftermath
of the whole situation with Ayla?
- At first, it was a little rough,
but, like, now I feel like me and Ayla
have gotten to a better place.
- OK.
- I mean, I still feel bad about it 'cause I don't
feel like the way I went about it was appropriate.
So I do still feel bad about it.
- Right.
- I feel like right now, I'm really just focused on myself.
- That's good.
Sorry things didn't go
exactly how we may have thought they would,
but I do think it was for the best.
And I'm glad you guys got to meet and clear the air.
And I'm happy that you're still in touch.
- Yeah, thank you.
- All right, bye, Gabby. - Bye.
- Omar is a very sweet, geeky guy.
He's head over heels for this gorgeous girl
named Iris, who also happens to be an uber nerd.
- Let's run the pictures.
- Holy moly! - Who is that?
- She's typing. She's typing. [text message swooshes]
- What the fuck?
The anticipation's killing me. I don't see nobody.
- Oh, wait a second. Who's that?
- Oh, shit.