- ♪ MTV ♪
- Sebastian and Allison talking for three years.
- I feel like she cares a lot about me.
It's, you know, love.
- Let's run the number.
- Allison Twigley, 60 years old.
- If she's 30 years older than she's saying,
that's a whole nother thing.
- Oh.
[line beeping] - What the fuck?
- Oh, wait a second.
I see someone back here under the trees.
- Somebody's right there. - Hello?
[dramatic music]
[upbeat music]
- Stay hydrated, y'all.
- ♪ Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo-doo ♪
- Ready?
You got your flagies?
How's my hair?
- You look like a cartoon.
- Why?
- 'Cause it has, like, the perfect amount
of pieces that are out. - Hmm.
- No. [both laugh]
All right. Well, here we go.
Sebastian, California. - Mm.
- Subject, "Not the reaction I expected."
- ♪ I can hear you ♪
- "Hello Nev and Kamie, this is Sebastian.
"I'm 30 years old.
"I'm currently staying at a friend's place
in Inglewood, California."
- Close by.
- "I'm an aspiring DJ but have done various jobs
"throughout the years.
"Moving around is something I'm used to doing,
but it makes maintaining relationships challenging."
- Mm.
- "The most consistent person, for me,
has been a woman named Allison."
- ♪ I believe, I believe ♪
♪ I believe in you ♪
- "She's a single mom with two kids,
"living in Jacksonville, Florida,
"and I met her three years ago in a live
I was doing on Plenty of Fish."
- ♪ I believe, I believe ♪
♪ I believe and I trust ♪
- "I was living in Georgia at the time"--
okay, so that's close to Jacksonville--
"but ended up moving to California two years ago.
"Even with the distance, we managed
to message each other daily."
- ♪ Shout it loud ♪
♪ You shine a light ♪
- "She is my best friend, and I turn to her whenever
I need some support or encouragement."
- ♪ Going out to look at the lights ♪
♪ All frequencies ♪
- "I thought the only reason we weren't together romantically
"was because we lived so far apart.
"I told her that I was moving back to the East Coast.
"I thought she'd be excited, but she wasn't.
"Her reaction was so strange that
"it has me wondering if she's hiding something from me.
"I'm hoping that she's exactly the person
"she's been saying she is.
"But I don't want to move across the country
and find out that I've been fooling myself."
- ♪ You got this? ♪
- "I hope to talk to you soon. Thank you, Sebastian."
- ♪ You got it now ♪
- Florida and Plenty of Fish--
- I know. I know.
- In the same sentence.
- It's not a good start.
- I didn't really see anything in here
about like, we're in love.
Like maybe she does not feel the same way about him
as he feels about her.
- We got a lot of questions.
Let's give Sebastian a call.
[line trilling]
- Yo, is this DJ Sebastian?
- What's your DJ name?
- Oh. - DJ Baz.
I like it. What's up, man?
It's Nev and Kamie. - Hey.
- We just saw your email, and we need to know some more.
- Do you consider Allison to be like, your girlfriend?
- Okay. - Oh.
- But obviously, Sebastian,
if you're hitting us up, it's because you think
something is off with Allison.
- All right, well, look, I still have
a million questions for you.
Where's the best place that we can meet with you?
- Got it.
So why don't we find you a spot that we can bring you to?
- We can pick you up, and we can get into it.
- All right, man. We'll talk to you soon.
- Bye. - See ya.
- Hmm.
If I had spent three years talking to her
and then I tell her I'm moving back to the East Coast,
and she's not excited, that is weird.
- Yeah.
- Clearly, DJ Baz's head is spinning,
and we've only just scratched the surface.
- Let's go.
- All right, let's go.
- [laughs]
[drum and bass music]
- DJ Baz.
- Whomp, whomp, whomp, whomp, whomp.
Sebastian took the train from Inglewood.
That's got to be him, right?
- That's got to be him.
- Sebastian?
both: Hey.
- Wow, all right.
- How's it going, guys? - What's up, man?
- Hey, good to meet you. - You too.
- I'm Kamie. - Hey, Kamie.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
- Welcome.
- All right, well, we got you a spot to stay
while you're in the area.
- Great. - Do you have a car?
- No, not right now. No.
- Tough. - Yeah.
Yeah, pretty tough.
- So how often are you DJing?
- I try to get booked, like, you know, when I can.
But, you know, there's a lot of DJs that, you know,
I'm in competition with. - Yeah, of course.
What's the thought or plan about moving
back to the East Coast?
Is there, like some place or reason,
or are you just wanting to move closer to Allison?
- That's kind of a big part of it.
- Well, so you got a lot you need to figure out.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, most definitely.
- All right.
I think we got a cute little spot.
All right, let's head in.
[upbeat music]
- Oh, thank you.
- You're welcome.
- What a gent.
It's cute.
- Wow.
- Oh, my gosh. - Very spacious.
A pool?
- Wow, this is a nice little pool.
♪ ♪
All right.
Well, it's good to meet you.
- You too.
- Well, I feel like we've been driving and talking,
and I already know you, so all right.
So before I start asking questions,
since we still don't really know that much
about your relationship with Allison,
can you take us back, give us the recap
of the last three years.
- Okay.
So three years ago, I was on POF.
- Why?
[laughter]
Why does anybody get on POF?
- I like POF because, you know, I do do my DJing,
you know, my streaming and stuff, so--
- Oh, you stream your DJing on--
- Through POF, yes.
- Okay, so there you are.
You're playing music.
- And then, boom, you know, Allison pops into my life.
She starts to send me fire emojis,
you know, requesting songs, interacting and everything.
And she gave me her Snap.
And, you know, we started talking from there.
- Did she have pictures on Snapchat?
- She had sent me some pictures.
- On Snapchat?
- Yes.
- What is her personality like?
What do you like about her?
- She's just really supportive and encouraging to me.
And I feel like she cares a lot about me.
- And you don't have a lot of people like that.
- I don't.
It's, you know, love, you know?
- You love her?
- Yes, I love her, yes.
- And you're talking every day at this point?
- Every day. - Okay.
- So fast forward a little bit.
You then move.
- Yeah, we were kind of--
I would say, like, it's like a long-distance relationship.
- So why no FaceTiming this entire time?
- She been always busy.
She says she's got a lot of work to do, you know.
We did have one video chat, but--
- Wait, let me guess.
You couldn't see her face. - Right.
- Ceiling. - What did you see?
- Forehead, hair, and ceiling.
- I mean, that's not a great sign that
she didn't show you her whole face.
Does she work? - She does work.
She does accounting.
- Does she ever talk about her job
or like, the specifics of what she does?
- Not really, no.
- But you do know accountant has become a--
- Catch all? - Yes.
- For what?
- Sex work. - Oh.
- Girls on TikTok will be like, I'm an accountant,
but it's really not--
- Wow - That.
It's, like, a thing. - I didn't know about that.
- [laughs]
- So, has she ever asked you for anything?
- No.
- Has she ever sent you anything
- Um, she has.
- What, what? - Yeah.
- How did that come up?
- I had needed money for food.
I wasn't working, you know, like I wanted to.
So she Zelled me, like, 20 bucks.
- Really? - Yeah.
- Well, that's very nice.
- That's still really nice. Huh.
All right, let's let Kamie do a analysis on your text messages.
She'll be able to determine a lot just from--
- I'll tell you exactly-- - A quick glance.
- What's going on. - Yeah.
- "Brownie Bby."
- Oh, so that's her Snap, Brownie Bby.
- Oh, wow.
You guys talk a lot-- heart eyes, kissies.
- Oh, my God.
- Scroll, scroll, scroll.
"I'll always appreciate you, soul mate."
- She called you soul mate?
- In May, you asked her, "What's your ring size?"
- Uh, whoa.
- Yeah. Yeah.
- Damn. [laughter]
- There's a lot of hearts, a lot of heart eyes.
- Kissie faces, there-- you guys are clearly,
like, a thing.
- Yeah, we're a thing.
- Is that her?
- That's her.
- Whoa, let me see. Very pretty.
- She's very pretty, great skin, wow.
- She's beautiful if that's her.
- Here's some stuff about the move.
You said to her, "Hey, I was talking with my mom yesterday,
"and I'm thinking about moving back East.
If I come back, I'd love to meet you in person."
She said, "I'm not sure about meeting right now.
"I do like how things are between us now,
so let's just go with the flow."
- Hmm. - And you said,
"I feel you, but maybe we can
video chat one of these days."
And she said, "Yeah, I understand,
"but I'm not comfortable with video calls
because I don't want to disappoint you."
- Hmm.
- You would think she would want to meet you.
- Right. - Something's up.
- Here's the $64,000 question.
If she's not the girl in the pictures,
do you think you'd still love her?
- I don't know.
I don't know.
- All right, well, look, send us all the info you have.
We'll do some research, and then we can
figure out what to do from there.
- Okay. - All right?
- Yeah.
- Ooh.
- Well, talk to you tomorrow,
- Okay, bud, thanks.
- See you tomorrow.
Thanks, guys.
- Gracias.
- Sebastian has had sort of a rough go of things.
He was obviously hard up and out of money,
but he met this girl.
And she's been this super-solid, positive force
in his life.
And he's really hoping that this foundation
that they've built can turn into
the next chapter of his life. - Mm-hmm.
- Obviously, there's a very real possibility
that whoever he's talking to is not that girl.
- Mm-hmm, something is off.
- All of this, this whole last three years,
could be built on a lie.
- Oh, yeah, let's start this investigation.
- Ooh.
- All right, let's do it.
Sebastian and Allison, talking for three years.
They lived, like, an hour away from each other,
but they've never met.
Then Sebastian has to move back to California,
trying to find work as a DJ, having a hard go of it.
But still, everything seems to be
going in the right direction.
They're texting. They're talking.
Then all of a sudden, Sebastian says, hey,
I'm kind of looking to make a move back East.
Maybe we could, like, finally be together in person?
And that's when Allison sort of--
- Pumped the brakes. - Pumps the brakes.
Something is keeping Allison
from fully investing in this relationship.
Let's jump in.
Maybe we can get some answers.
Here's an email from Sebastian.
"Hey, Nev and Kamie, here are all the things Allison
"has told me about herself.
"Her name is Allison Huberton, and she's 28.
"She lives in Jacksonville, Florida,
"but I believe she was originally from Mississippi.
"When she sent me the money on Zelle,
there wasn't a name on it, but it did say AH."
We've got a phone number. We've got an email.
We've got three photos.
- I think we should run the pictures.
- All right.
The pictures he attached are a little filtered,
but we got some nice clean face pictures.
If this girl is someone on the internet,
we're gonna find her.
Ooh, that her?
- Hmm, I think no.
- Let's try a different picture.
[tense music]
- That's her. - Wow, really?
- That's her. It is.
It's from a Pinterest account.
There it is. - Oh, nice.
That is definitely her,
but there isn't a username or anything.
Came off of someone else's Pinterest.
There's got to be some source.
- Mm-hmm.
- But nothing is linking back to a profile.
- Where is the girl?
What is her name?
- Right, let's just look up Allison Huberton.
Let's go to Facebook.
Hmm, let me see, Huberton.
City, let's go Jacksonville, right?
- Mm-hmm.
- All right, there's a girl worth looking at.
Does that look like the girl in the pictures?
- No. - Alison Huberton,
lives in Jacksonville, Florida.
- Two kids. - Two kids.
This is someone we should keep our eye on, for sure.
Who else?
No.
- No, that's the only Alison Huberton.
- That's the only one.
I mean, look, there's a lot of overlap with this girl.
- Yeah. She's a suspect.
- She's not the girl in the pictures,
but her name is Alison Huberton.
She lives in Jacksonville. She's Black.
She has two kids. I mean--
- Prime suspect.
- All right, let's run the number,
see if we get anything.
- Allison--
- Allison Huberton, 28, Jacksonville, Florida.
I mean, that's wild.
- That never happens. - That never happens.
That's all the info. - It's her.
That's her name.
- But is she the girl on Facebook or no?
- Well, we don't know.
But what's this?
Ooh, it says multiple Spokeo reports were found.
- Hmm.
- Wow, what comes up if we click on this?
Twigley.
- Allison Twigley, 60 years old,
also known as Allison Huberton.
- Oh, lived in Mississippi.
- Oh.
- Didn't he say something about Missis--
oh, yeah, " I believe she was originally from Mississippi."
- Oh, shit. - Now, wait a second.
- 60 years old.
- Weirdly, we run a number, there's another person
who's sort of connected to it who has
gone by Allison Huberton from Mississippi,
which is where he says Allison is from, but is 60.
- And now lives in Jacksonville.
- I mean, look, if she's not the girl in the pictures,
that's one thing. - Mm-hmm.
- If she's 30 years older than she's saying,
that's a whole nother thing.
- Should we run it on Cash App, the phone number?
- Good idea.
- All right, let's see. 904--
oh, look at this.
Allison Huberton.
She's been on here since 2021.
I mean, this is her.
She's not lying about her name.
All right, now, I'm just curious.
We don't often have people's email.
Let's just see if the email is connected to the same account.
- Hmm.
- Oh, what is this?
So the email comes back to Alicia Harlow, AH.
- [sighs] You know, never a dull moment.
- I don't understand.
So her phone number comes back to Allison Huberton.
Her email comes back to a different Cash App
called Alicia Harlow.
Now, maybe she just has like, a second Cash App
for, like, some, you know--
- Other stuff. - [gasps]
- What? - Her accounting.
- [gasps]
[laughs]
I said it.
Oh, boy.
- Okay, so who is Alicia Harlow?
See if there's a Facebook in Jacksonville for her.
- Hmm.
- No results. - Hmm.
- I'm really torn here.
Part of me is feeling good.
I mean, it looks like he is talking
to someone named Allison who lives in Jacksonville, but--
- Why say that you don't want him to be
disappointed when he sees you?
Disappointed because you're much older than he thinks
that you are or disappointed because you
don't look anything like what he thinks you look like?
- Or disappointed because you don't want him to know
that you're a sex worker?
It's hard to say. - Yeah.
- Either most of what she's told him
is the truth or everything she's told him is a lie.
But we got to go figure this out, so come on.
- I'm nervous.
- I'm worried Sebastian is going to interpret
our discoveries as good news.
- Yes.
- I mean, phone number matches her name,
but she clearly doesn't want to FaceTime.
I think we have to assume she doesn't look
like the girl in the pictures.
- Then there was the name search that came back
to that 60-year-old woman.
- I know.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
[knocking on door]
- Hey. - Hey, guys.
- Good to see you.
- Come on in.
- How are you feeling about everything?
- Well, you know, I'm still really nervous.
A lot of emotions going through my head.
- Obviously, the big mystery here is,
is there something about Allison that you don't know
or that she's been concealing?
So let us show you what we did.
The first thing that we searched
was the three photos that you sent us.
- Mm-hmm.
- Interestingly, when we searched this picture,
we got some hits, one of which is clearly her.
- Yeah.
- We followed this pic to a Pinterest account.
Unfortunately, we couldn't track down the original source.
But typically, if you find someone on a Pinterest board,
it suggests that that photo has been on the internet
and sort of seen and searched by people.
- Uh-huh.
- So then we sort of pivoted.
We did a Facebook search for the name she told you,
Allison Huberton.
And then we narrowed it down to Jacksonville, Florida.
And we did get a hit for someone
named Alison Huberton,
not the girl you think you're talking to.
She's the only match in Jacksonville with that name.
And this woman also has two young children.
Do you remember when you saw her, her forehead?
Could that be her?
- No, not her.
- Are you sure?
- Um...
- Okay.
So then moving on, we took her phone number,
and we did a phone reverse search.
When we did that, look what comes up--
Allison Huberton, 28.
Everything she's told you.
- Right.
Now for us, this is a big deal.
Because very rarely, when we search a phone number,
does it actually come back with the person's name
with the right age, the right city.
It almost never happens.
But there's also, interestingly,
more information.
It says multiple Spokeo reports were found.
And one of the other results it brings back
is Allison Twigley in Jacksonville, Florida.
- Also known as Allison Huberton.
- Right, and what's interesting about this one,
is that this one shows that she's lived in Mississippi.
- Okay, she's talked about Mississippi
before, that she's from there.
- Right.
- But do you see the age?
- 60?
That's 30 years older than I am.
I mean, jeez.
That's connected to the phone number?
- Yes.
- Now, the other thing that I haven't shown you yet
is Cash App.
When we put her phone number into Cash App,
it comes back Allison Huberton.
- Yeah.
- But when we put in the email that she sent you,
look what comes up.
- Alicia Harlow.
I don't know who it is.
- There is a Cash App with that email
for someone named Alicia Harlow, AH.
Why does she have this account linked to her email?
- No clue.
- Well, yesterday, when you told us
that she was an accountant, Kamie educated both of us that
some sex workers refer to themselves as accountants.
And perhaps she has a separate Cash App
that she uses to bill for her "accounting," possible?
- Possible, yes.
- We searched for Alicia Harlow, Jacksonville.
We did all the different types of searches we could find,
and there were no hits.
So we were kind of left with this strange, dual sensation,
which is her phone number checks out.
- Mm-hmm.
- But if she were the girl in those photos,
why can't she FaceTime you?
- Right.
- The only explanation that we can come up with
is that she's not the girl in the pictures.
Could be this girl.
She's got kids, so that's a possible match.
But considering everything else we found,
it is concerning that Allison Twigley, who's 60,
comes back as connected to her phone number,
who shares some locations with the story
you've heard from Allison.
[somber music]
- What are you thinking?
- I--I don't know what to think now.
She didn't sound 60.
But--[sighs]
Shit.
- ♪ Tripping over time on the horizon ♪
♪ Heaven only knows - I don't know.
- ♪ Exactly where my mind's been ♪
- Can we take a break?
- Oh, okay.
- ♪ Where you going these days? ♪
♪ ♪
♪ I thought that we could take it slow ♪
- I don't think he's okay.
- ♪ I put you out and let you go ♪
- I mean, he looked like he was about to cry a little bit.
- ♪ Truth is I don't know ♪
- ♪ Where to go ♪
♪ So I'll stay ♪
- Might just be taking a minute.
- He's definitely not okay.
- ♪ The noises in my head were loud ♪
- [sighs]
- ♪ Where to go ♪
- I don't think he's okay.
- I'll go talk to him.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
Hey, man, you all right?
- Oh, man, I'm just confused.
I just don't--
I don't know what to believe right now.
- I feel like, at this point, the only option we have
is to just call her and just say, hey,
Sebastian wants to meet you.
Are you down?
Hopefully, she realizes this is probably
her best opportunity to do that.
- Okay. - All right.
Let's do it.
♪ ♪
- How you feeling?
[somber music]
- A lot of emotions.
- Is there a world where, if she has lied
about what she looks like, the connection that you've
built with her is strong enough to withstand the lies?
- I don't know.
I don't know.
- And that's fair too.
- All right, well, I think we got to forge ahead.
I mean, the only person who can answer your questions is her.
Is it cool if I give her a call?
- Yeah.
- All right. Let's see what happens.
[line trilling]
- Hello, this is Nev from "Catfish: The TV Show."
- Oh, sure.
- Yeah, hi.
- Oh.
- [mouthing words] - Ah, okay.
Well, Allison has been talking to a guy named Sebastian
now for the past three years.
Sebastian was hoping to meet Allison.
- Okay.
- What the fuck is all this "hold on" shit?
- Is that the voice that you've been hearing?
- That was a different voice.
- Okay, so that wasn't Allison's voice,
as far as you can tell.
- Hi.
- Okay, I'm not here to make her do anything
she doesn't want to do.
I just want to make sure she understands that
I am here to help her finally meet Sebastian.
Just so I know, you guys are in Florida,
right, in Jacksonville?
- Okay.
- Dude, what the fuck?
- So they're not in Jacksonville.
- Yes, they are.
- Well, that was--
- Whoever that is, is on speakerphone with whoever
the real Allison is.
And you're asking the questions,
and they're in the background, like--
- Right, right.
Jeez, that was--
- What are you thinking?
[suspenseful music]
- All right, hold on.
So let's text now.
Hey, just following up.
It feels pretty disrespectful to Sebastian
to not get on the phone and speak for yourself.
Please get back to me when you're ready
to take some accountability for the situation.
- Exactly.
- Hmm.
- That was very strange.
- That's just super weird.
[phone chimes]
- Oh, she said, "Hey, sorry that my friend
was a little aggressive, but she was trying to protect me."
Are you willing to meet up with us tomorrow?
"Yes, but he can't come here."
Okay.
- Can't come here?
Something is keeping her from wanting you in Jacksonville.
- Would you be able to come here?
- To LA. She doesn't know where we are
- To LA.
[phone swooshes]
"Yeah, I can."
- Okay.
Okay, great. I will have a producer
contact you to see you tomorrow.
All right, well, I have no idea what just happened,
but someone, maybe, is coming here tomorrow.
You all right?
- Yeah, I'm okay. Just confusing.
- In the morning, we'll reconnect,
and we'll let you know what the plan is,
- Okay.
That was crazy.
- Bye.
- Hang in there. - Bye.
[tense music]
- Poor thing. He was shook.
- Literally, he was shaking.
- Yeah, he was shaking.
- At least we don't think we're dealing with a 60-year-old.
- No.
- Despite what just happened, I'm somewhat hopeful that
we will get answers tomorrow.
♪ ♪
[line trilling] - Hello?
- Yo, Sebastian, we just got a text.
She's landed.
I told her to meet us at Chatsworth Park.
We'll come scoop you, and then we'll head over there.
- See you in a little bit.
[phone chimes] Oh, what was that?
What's that? We got a text.
- She said, "I'm 30 minutes away from the park.
See you soon."
- Uh-huh, all right.
There he is.
- Hello.
How are you feeling? - Feeling good.
- So we just got another text.
She said, "I'll see you soon."
I'm shaking.
My hands are sweaty.
- We're here to help you.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- Okay, this is the park.
- Now we've got to find this girl.
- We don't even know who we're looking for.
- Well, nothing to it.
- Let's do it.
- All right.
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- This is weird.
- Are you feeling okay?
- Yeah, a little nervous.
- Oh, wait a second.
I see someone back here under the trees.
- Somebody-- somebody's right there.
- That's got to be her, right?
- It's got to be.
- Can't really see.
- Hello.
Hello.
- I see someone back here under the trees.
[tense music]
That's gotta be her, right?
- It's got to be.
- Can't really see.
- Hello.
♪ ♪
- [quietly] It's her. - Yeah.
- Hi.
- How are you? - I'm good.
How are you?
- I've got a lot of questions.
- A lot of questions?
- Kamie.
- Hi.
- Hey.
- We're just a little stunned--
- [chuckles] - Gagged, even.
I'm Kamie.
- Hi, Kamie, I'm Allison.
- Nice to meet you.
- Hi. - Hi.
- Nev, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you. - Allison?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- Well, don't--you know--
so, here, you can--
you can lead the charge.
- Yeah, it's all you, bro.
- Oh, wow.
It's been three years.
- Yeah.
- Why haven't we chatted?
Why haven't we video chatted?
- My own insecurities.
That's why I use filters, or, you know.
- I don't see why you'd be insecure.
I mean, you're very beautiful.
- Thank you.
- So yesterday, why didn't you want to talk to me?
Why didn't--why didn't, like--
- Yeah, yesterday, when you called,
I was in the middle of getting my nails done with my friend,
and she answered.
And neither one of us was understanding, like,
just in the midst of it, that's all.
- When you said that you would disappoint me,
what did you mean by that? I mean--
- Because I don't feel like I look like what filters
present me to look like.
- What filters?
I mean, like, you look exactly like the pictures you sent him.
- I would say you're more beautiful in person
than those filters.
Your skin is perfect.
Like, you're-- you're beautiful.
You look exactly the same.
- Oh.
- So do you have two children like you said?
- Mm-hmm.
- And do you live in Jacksonville?
- Yeah. - Are you an accountant?
- Yeah.
- What kind of accountant?
- [laughs] Just bookkeeping.
- Okay.
- For real accountant, real accountant.
We thought it might be code for something else.
- So you've been talking for long enough
that, clearly, there seems to be a real connection
and interest.
So presumably, eventually you would meet, right?
- Yeah.
- But you told Sebastian, like, when he mentioned that
he wants to move back East,
you kind of pumped the brakes on him.
And you were like, I like the way
that our relationship is now.
I don't want to change it.
Is that how you feel?
[tense music]
- I do like how it is.
I do like the emotional support.
He's always been a very good friend to me.
- Do you really feel like he's just your friend?
- I mean, what else would it be, though?
- I mean, we've looked at a little bit
of your conversations-- - Yeah.
- On Snapchat, and it does--
- I think that the emotional connection is there.
I do care for him.
- You said that I was your soul mate.
- I'm just not sure if--
♪ ♪
I don't know.
Ooh.
Can I talk to Kamie?
- Sure.
Sebastian, should we give them a little bit of space
to chat, I guess?
- Yeah, that's cool.
[soft dramatic music]
- Well, why call me your soul mate?
Why say we're compatible and this and that
if you don't see me that way?
- Right. We read those texts.
And that's just--there's no other interpretation
of what those things mean.
- It's just very complicated.
I do care for him.
But, you know, us living together like,
you're going to move in.
And I'm like, no.
- Do you feel like he-- - Yeah.
- Is trying to move in because he doesn't have
another place to go?
- Yeah, that's like how the conversation started.
It was like, oh, I got to find another place.
Then, you know, I'm just like, keep looking.
- Mm-hmm.
- So that's another thing, like, do you want me,
or do he need me?
- Mm. Mm-hmm.
- I don't know. - I get it.
You're a single mom of two kids.
You're looking for stability.
You want a stable, secure situation--
- Yeah.
- For yourself and your children.
So I understand that.
- She's beautiful, right?
I mean-- - She is, yeah.
- You're not at all disappointed?
- I'm not.
- No, right, which is--
I just don't know.
I feel like there's just something she's not saying.
- I do have an emotional connection with him
because he do treat me nice.
He talks to me nice. - Mm-hmm.
Well, you know, getting to know him,
I got to hope for the best.
But I feel like he's not just looking for a place to live.
- Yeah.
- It's obvious that he has very strong feelings for you.
I think if you just want to be friends,
you have to create that boundary.
Because he--
- Oh, okay. - He loves you.
And hard as it might be to say,
he deserves to know the truth.
- All right, let's get back over there and check in.
- Okay.
[soft dramatic music]
- Hey, friends.
- Hey, friend.
- Look, I'm happy you're you.
- Mm-hmm.
- I definitely also feel like there's still some fog.
- There's more you want to say.
- Right.
So I was gonna say, we could move to a little bit more
comfortable location where we could sit, talk.
- Okay. - Yeah.
- So let's go.
Come on.
♪ ♪
- You look really nice.
- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
- I've got butterflies in my stomach.
[wistful music]
♪ ♪
- All right, we're here.
Let's do it.
[car door beeping]
- Hey. - Hi.
- So Kamie and I were talking,
and we think there's clearly
still some communication that needs
to happen between you guys so that
you can be on the same level.
- Okay.
- Put it all out on the table.
[somber music]
♪ ♪
- I like you as a friend.
That's very clear.
But what I'm looking for is somebody that
is financially stable,
and that's really, like, straightforward,
somebody that is able to, you know,
come into a household for me and my kids.
- I understand.
- But, you know, I feel like you're
a good listener, understanding.
You have those qualities already.
♪ ♪
- But it's not a no, never.
- No.
- Right, It's open-ended.
I mean, he does possess a lot of qualities
that you look for-- - Yeah.
- In a partner.
- I get it.
- I'm sorry.
I know that's probably a tough pill to swallow.
- It's just a lot to process.
You know, I'm going through it.
- What are you dealing with?
Maybe we can help.
- I'm fighting depression.
I'm--I'm--
- Okay.
- Dealing with, you know, not having a job, you know,
trying to make stuff happen with,
you know, this DJ thing,
you know, trying to get on the right track.
- Well, we knew part of that, but we didn't know the extent
of how you were feeling.
It's a lot.
- Yeah.
- Are you getting any help for your depression?
- No.
- Okay, well, we can certainly put you in touch
with someone who can help.
I know there are resources, obviously.
- A lot of free ones too.
- Yeah.
So that might be a good place to start.
Because obviously, it's hard to be motivated
to do other stuff if you're struggling with depression.
- You're not the only person.
- I can vouch for therapy, as well.
Like, the tough times do bring you down,
but therapy is--
it'll change your mind.
It'll change your life. - Yeah.
- I get it.
- Coming up with a plan for your future
is impossible when you have a cloud over your brain.
And once you alleviate that part of it,
I think you'll find creating a plan for your future
to come so much easier to you.
- Yeah.
- All right, so where do we want
things to be for that moving forward, everyone's clear?
- You know, just take time for yourself.
I'm here as a friend, motivation, prayer.
I'm here for that.
- Also-- - I'm here.
- Don't be so shady.
Why you be so shady online? [laughter]
- What I'm so shady about?
- The forehead FaceTime. - Calling her out.
- Okay, I'm sorry for the shadiness.
- And just be more clear.
- Okay, I'll be more clear.
- Yeah, all right.
We're gonna take Sebastian--
- Mm-hmm.
- And have someone drop you off wherever you'd like to go.
So we'll all walk outside now and say goodbye, all right.
- Okay. - All right.
- ♪ Ay, yi, yi ♪
♪ Good God, I'm ali-i-ive ♪
- Allison.
- Nice meeting you.
- Good to meet you, Allison.
- ♪ I can't get up ♪
♪ My collar's tied to the ground ♪
♪ But you coming, ooh ♪
- Bye.
- ♪ You lift me up ♪
♪ Don't nobody, nobody ♪
♪ Nobody got what you give to me ♪
♪ Baby, you take away all my vanity ♪
♪ Ooh ♪
- Sebastian, you have an amazing friend
who's a beautiful woman, who's on your team.
- And--
- Really cares about you.
It's up to you.
You've got an opportunity and some great motivation
to get something good going for yourself, all right?
- Yeah.
- ♪ I want this feeling to last ♪
♪ You lift me up ♪
♪ ♪
♪ You lift me up [note chimes]
- Hey, what's up?
- How you doing? What's up, Nev?
- I like to see that big smile.
That's a nice smile. Give me the update.
What's been going on?
- Well, I'm in a place now.
- Oh, you got your own place.
- Yeah, and ironically, my roommate is a counselor.
- Wow, that's great. So you've been having,
like, real mental health conversations
and they've been helping you? - Yes.
- Wow, and are you feeling better?
- I am-- - That's great.
- --as a matter of fact, yeah. - Wow.
- Yep, yep. - Happy to hear that.
And then what about, like, a job?
- I got in with this temp agency.
- Okay, so you're working?
- Yes, - That's great.
- And you look happy. - It's getting done.
- I mean, how are you feeling? - I'm feeling good.
- Good. This is amazing.
You're doing it.
- I'm doing it.
- Have you talked to Allison?
- We've been talking, briefly.
- Oh, wow, okay.
- But right now, you know, I'm taking--
I'm taking this time to focus on myself.
- Wow, I mean, it's nice just to see feeling
much lighter and more optimistic.
- Yeah.
- So keep it up, bud.
- Thank you, will do. All right, Nev.
[note chimes]
- Hey, what's up, Allison?
- Hi.
- You're looking lovely.
- Thank you.
- I did chat a little bit with Sebastian.
I was happy to hear that you guys have
been in touch a little bit.
He seems like he's really in much, sort of, better spirits,
so I was happy to see all that.
- That's really good.
- Yeah, do you ever think back on
kind of the relationship with Sebastian
and miss it a little bit?
- I do, but I really do want him to do well,
and I wish him nothing but the best.
- And I wish the best for you, of course, and your kids.
Nice to see you, and have a great summer.
- You too. - Bye.
- I met Piers when I was 13.
He lives in London.
I felt like I was writing a diary to him,
like, I told him everything.
- What?
- [gasps] - You see that person?
- Who is that?
- Hi.
- Here we go.