- Michael is a reality TV star who's fallen in love
with Julia, a girl he met online.
- We talked about our future,
how many kids she wants to have.
But this is a very tough situation.
because he said that she's a virgin.
- [gasps] - Wait a second.
52 mutual friends? Wow.
- That would be reality stars.
- So she's a fangirl. There has to be a catch.
- What the hell's going on?
- Feel like I'm gonna have a heart attack.
[chiming]
- ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪
♪ ♪
- This morning, my four-legged son
decided to create destruction and havoc in my home.
Why? Why'd you do that?
- ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪
- Are you sorry?
No? Okay.
- ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪
- Hey, Beauty Queen.
- You got texts.
Finally, Nev addresses me as I should be addressed.
- "Finally some respect."
[laughs]
[chiming]
- Oh. - There she is.
- Hell--wow!
Oh, my God. Some color in your world.
- I guess that's true. I don't really ever wear color, so--
- "Dancing with the Stars" is turning you into a new person.
- All right, let's dive into a new Catfish case.
- I'm ready. - All right.
Here is our email. This is from Russell.
"Hey, Nev and Kamie. My name is Russell.
"Several months ago.
"A girl named Julia reached out to me.
"She was flirty for a while.
"But it never went anywhere.
"And I never thought much of it, until recently,
"when my friend Michael told me
he had fallen hard for a girl he met online."
- ♪ They say the past is the past ♪
"Then I realized it was the same Julia."
- Ooh. - ♪ Oh, I believe ♪
- "Michael has been talking to her for four months.
- ♪ I believe, I believe, I believe ♪
- "And she only wants to text. No video calls.
"But Michael is ready to uproot his life to be with her
and even give her a kid."
- ♪ I believe in this ♪
- "I don't trust her.
"And Michael and I have a shared experience
that makes us vulnerable to online advances."
- Hm.
"I don't want to see my friend get played.
"And I need you guys to knock some sense into Michael
"and see this girl for who she potentially is:
"a catfish and a liar.
All the best. Russell."
Wow. - So, Russell was catfished
by Julia. - Presumably.
- Possibly. - Right.
These two friends have both interacted with the same girl.
Russell's convinced she's a catfish,
but now Michael's on the hook and doesn't want to hear it.
- Hm, and what's this weird vulnerability?
- So we gotta call Russell and get a little bit more info.
Let me text him. - I wanna know
what this thing is.
What is the secret?
- What is this-- is this secret?
He said, "Hey Nev. Thanks, yeah hope y'all
can help my boy."
- Oh yeah, he didn't say where he's from.
- Did not say where he's from.
But we'll find out soon enough.
- But he said "y'all." [computer chimes]
Ah! - Oh.
- Hi! - Wait, "The Russell--"
What What does that shirt say?
- "The Russell Hantz Show."
It's a YouTube podcast.
And I was on a few reality TV events.
- Oh? - Yeah. One being "Survivor."
- [gasps] Did you survive?
- I was a three-time contestant,
two-time fan favorite.
- Wow. - That's insane.
- And Michael was on reality TV too.
- I knew there was something up.
And I was like, what could it be?
But this is it. - Yeah. Well, he was, like,
a fan favorite on "Big Brother."
- Oh, my God.
- I met Michael doing reality TV events.
And I've been friends with him for about ten years now.
- Where do you guys both live?
- Well, I live in Houston.
- Oh, okay. - He's all over the place.
Right now, he's here.
- Oh, this is so cool. Okay, so what's the tea?
So you met this Julia person first.
- Yes. She messaged me, and I talked to her,
but it wasn't anything romantic.
I didn't think anything of it.
And then Mike was like, "Oh, I met this girl."
And he shows me a picture of her,
and as soon as he shows me a picture,
I recognized her immediately.
- The same girl. - Yes.
And I believe her to be a catfish.
Because she don't even talk to him on the phone.
And she no only follow me, I called a couple of my friends
that's in "Survivor"-- she's following both of them.
All reality stars.
- So she's a fangirl. - That's what I'm thinking.
I like Mike. He's a good guy.
But he's dealing with a lot right now in his life.
And I hope it's real. I just know it's not.
But he thinks she's real.
- Yeah. - I mean.
- If have you called Michael
and said, "Hey, it's Russell.
I reached out to 'Catfish.' They want to help,"
do you think that would be a good way
to kind of break the news to him and get him involved?
- He's so invested in her right now, emotionally.
So I think he would do it.
- Tell him to get in the Zoom.
'Cause we need to talk.
- Hey, man. What's happening?
- I got a little surprise for you.
You know how we talked about Julia?
I'm kind of on a Zoom call with "Catfish" right now.
- [laughs]
- They wanna talk to you.
- [laughs]
- We're gonna go ahead and put you in on a Zoom.
We'll go from there.
- Bye. Bye, man.
- All right, you put his number
in the email, right? - Yeah.
♪ ♪
- All right, sent.
- If anybody's gonna break Michael's heart...
- [laughs]
[computer chimes]
- Hey. There he is.
- Hey, Michael.
- What's up, Mike? - Oh, my goodness.
- What's happening, brother? - Michael, obviously,
Russell reached out 'cause you're his friend,
and he understands that you're in a situation
where you might need some assistance.
So listen, Michael, before we jump in with you,
I just want to give Russell a chance to say goodbye
so that we can kind of start focusing on the Julia thing.
- Yeah. I just wanted to say, you know, I did this
'cause I care about you.
I just want you to find out what's real
so you can go forward with your life with positive things
instead of things we just don't know anything about.
- Right. And I appreciate that. - All right.
Russell, thank you.
- Love you, brother. - All right, man. Thank you.
- Bye, Russell. - Bye, bye.
- Wow. So hopefully, we prove him wrong.
- Well-- - Well, look, to be fair,
Russell doesn't necessarily know definitively
that Julia is not real.
He just has a hunch.
Before we get into all that, though,
I just want to find out a little bit more at you.
- Well, I'm 39 years old,
and I've got three beautiful children.
I'm currently married. But--I know, I know.
But I'm going through a divorce.
She broke up with me through a text message
and said that I'm done.
Yeah, 2020 started with-- in January,
my mother passed away,
which was my best friend.
And then COVID hit. And then the split up.
And then now Julia. And so Julia escaped that--yes.
You know, like, wanting to live again.
- Right.
- Where does Julia say that she lives?
- She says she lives in South Carolina.
Myrtle Beach. Because of my mother passing away,
I left the town that we were living in
and I'm going cross-country.
you know, Myrtle Beach is an option,
which is crazy that I would even think about that. But--
- Wait, so you're trying to move closer to be near her?
You're, like, all-in. Wow.
- So tell us how the relationship started.
- So, in July,
basically two weeks after my separation with my wife,
I get a message and add from Julia,
asking me questions about the show,
because she's a huge fan.
And here we are now.
We've been talking about three and a half months.
We talked about our future, things like that,
how many kids she wants to have.
She wants four. I've already raised three.
I'm like, "Well, let's start with one."
- Aw-- What? Wait. Okay.
So you guys started talking about
three and a half months ago, and you guys have already
talked about having kids, moving in--
- Because I do believe she's real.
- I mean, it's a lot. - Wait. So, hold on a second.
So, keep going. So, what else do you know about her?
- She's 28 years old. We're Christians--both of us.
She loves kids. So we have that in common.
She said that she wanted to become a nun,
and she then decided she wanted to have kids,
and she's kind of changed her perspective in life.
And so I kind of see the story being legit,
especially being she's a virgin.
And--yes. And so, like,
I've really handled this relationship very differently
than I probably would with most.
- Is it her religious beliefs?
Seems like it's something that's important to her.
- Right. And I respect that.
- Does she post about religion a lot on her Facebook?
- Oh, absolutely. - And does she have
any other social media, other than the Facebook page?
- All I know about is the Facebook.
- You're so sure that she's real,
but your buddy Russell has some legitimate concerns,
like, she won't even get on the phone with you, right?
- I've only been able to get her on the phone call one time,
and it was a very soft voice.
And we have not had another conversation.
And then every time I've said, "Hey, let's do video chat
or something like that," there's an excuse.
Just, "I'm at work" or "I'm exhausted."
- I want to see what this girl looks like.
- Yeah, do you know how to share your screen?
- Absolutely.
- Oh, who's that?
- That's Julia.
- [gasps] You have her as your wallpaper?
- I do. - Oh, my God.
- All right, Julia Crews. Okay. Wow, 52 mutual friends? Wow.
- That's a lot. - Yep. Reality stars.
- But doesn't it concern you
that she's friends with so many
other reality TV contestants?
- I'm not worried about that,
because I know she's a huge fan.
I don't know. I mean, I could be blind, too.
- Okay. Just scroll through some pics.
So, you got this. Beautiful.
- She seems like a sweetheart. - She is.
- Cute. - She's very cute.
- She's cute.
God--Jesus first. - Absolutely.
- Cross on the shirt.
- Well, this girl's cute, if it's who you're talking to.
- She's beautifully, y'all.
I mean, she's gotta be real.
- I mean, look, there's a chance Julia is real
and her name is Julia,
but she's just not the girl in the pictures.
- Right. - So, I guess,
what are your deal-breakers in this situation?
If Julia's not the girl
that you know in the pictures, would that matter?
- You know, I don't think it would matter.
- What if it was your ex-wife just trying to mess with you?
- I had that same thought, too. The fact that you met Julia
so shortly after you officially separated from your wife.
- Yeah. I think what would hurt me the most
is if it was my ex-wife.
But I don't think it's her.
I think this is Julia. I really think she's real.
- All right. So let's get into it.
Send us her phone number,
her Facebook page, things like that.
- Okay. Sounds great.
Good luck, y'all. - All right.
Nice meet you, Michael. - Thanks, Michael.
Michael seemed really genuine.
But it's not who he thinks it's going to be.
- Right. - The ex-wife is a suspect.
But with all those reality stars Julia's following,
she could be some sort of clout chaser.
Either way, I think our reality star
is in for a sad dose of reality.
- Get some fresh air.
And then we go back to the investigation station.
Hey. Morning.
Let's go.
- I'm ready.
- All right. We've got Michael.
He's a reality TV star who's smitten
with a girl named Julia, who he met online.
His reality buddy, Russell, contacted us,
worried his friend Michael is being catfished by a fan,
because this very same Julia profile
also hit up Russell too.
- Yeah. It's sus.
- All right.
Let's see if we've got an email here.
"Hey. Thanks for talking with me.
"Here's the info I have about her.
"Her name is Julia Crews, and her number and photos
"she sent me are attached, and here is her Facebook page.
"And if you want to log in as me to see her full page,
here's my login."
Okay. "Here's to 2020 bringing more blessings.
All the best. Michael."
- Amen. - All right.
So what do you want to do? What do you want to start with?
- I guess we can run the photos.
- So let's just pull some of these photos.
Maybe we'll get lucky. All right, let's go to images.
Nope. No hit.
Okay. No. Nothing.
- Nothing.
- Hmm.
All right. Let's run the phone number.
♪ ♪
I think this is a dead end.
Let's go to her Facebook page.
Let's see what we can find.
- Brunswick Community College Lady Dolphins basketball team.
- What's this?
This looks pretty legit.
I mean, if she played on this team,
you'd think she'd show up
in some of these posts, maybe, right?
- It would have been a while ago, though.
What if we Googled "Julia Crews Brunswick Community College
Lady Dolphins basketball"?
♪ ♪
- Julia Crew commits to BCC Brunswick Community College.
- Huh.
♪ ♪
- Wait a second. - [gasps]
Oh, my God.
- That's her!
--is the oldest, at 18,
with a 15-year-old sister, Cristin.
Parents have never missed a game.
let's just see if there's any other images.
Oh, wait. Here we go.
2010-2011 Lady Dolphins.
Here's a picture of a girl in uniform.
Ahh! That's her!
- Oh, my God.
The main picture? - Are you kidding?
The first photo?
Julia Crews.
- Number 14.
- The biggest question for me now is,
is this the girl he's talking to?
- No. No.
Too much is adding up, so something's not adding up.
- So you think someone made a fake version of her,
someone who knows her.
- Yeah. He's just not talking to the girl in the pictures.
- I mean, look, if Julia Crews is a 28-year old girl
who went to that college, like,
she should absolutely have a Facebook page
that we should be able to find.
Let's see if there are other Facebook profiles
with the name Julia Crews.
- Who's that one, with the 154 followers?
- This?
- Ahh! - Is that the same girl?
- [gasps] Yes.
- So this could be her other profile,
or this could be the profile for the real Julia Crews.
Hold on a second.
Let's see if there are any mutual friends
between Michael and this new profile for Julia.
- Yeah. He has mutual friends with this Julia.
- The question is, which is the real version?
- Who are the mutual friends?
- James and James.
Interesting.
- I'm Googling.
James Zinkand is from "Big Brother 9."
And this James is also from "Big Brother."
- Oh, really. - Message them. Message them.
- All right, let's message these guys.
To James. Don't even have to change the name.
Love it.
Oh, you know what we didn't try?
What if we look up her phone number on a different site?
Sometimes they get different results.
- Worth a try.
♪ ♪
- Look at this! Her phone number.
Julia Crews.
What the hell's going on?
- No. There has to be a catch.
- But that's the number he's been talking to.
- No. - It's her.
- No. - 28 years old.
And a social media link.
Oh, who's this? Chris Tin?
- And look, there's Julia's face.
She has pictures of Julia on here.
She's in the picture.
- Okay, so hold on a second.
- I think that's Julia's sister.
- Oh, really? - Yeah.
Check that article, because in the article,
didn't they say, like, Julia has a sister?
That's her right there. That's here in the plaid.
- Oh, my God. Yes. What the [bleep] is going on here?
Why does her sister's social media connect
to Julia's phone number?
- Well, we need to message Christin.
Wouldn't her sister know if she's talking to Michael?
- Yes.
All right.
[phone ringing] - Oh, getting a phone call.
Getting a phone call.
- Yeah. Hi, there. This is Nev. Who's this?
- Great. Are you able to jump in a Zoom call,
if I just send you a quick Zoom link?
- All right.
[tense music]
[computer chimes] - Hey. How's it going?
- It's going right now. It's going.
- So listen. So, the reason that we reached out
is because we're trying to help this guy
who has also been on "Big Brother,"
who is talking to this girl online named Julia Crews.
- Yes. I am friends with Julia Crews.
I've been talking to this girl forever.
- On the phone?
- No. Not on the phone.
That's what's crazy. we've never FaceTimed.
We've never talked on the phone.
- Right. - You know.
But she sent me some photos.
- Were you guys just friends, or was there, like,
a flirtation relationship there?
- There was a flirtatious relationship.
- Has she sent you any other pictures?
- [laughs] You mean, like, explicit photos?
- You know what I mean.
- [laughs] Yeah, she has.
She's sent me explicit photos. She sent me some photos
that are from, you know, the neck down.
- Wow. - And when was the last time
you talked to her that you can remember?
- Like, a couple weeks ago. - A couple weeks ago?
- Yeah. She says she misses me. "How have you been?"
- [sighs] Okay. Well.
- That's all very helpful.
So thank you for-for talking to us.
- I hope y'all figure out this dilemma.
'cause I'm dying to know too, so--
- Thanks, James.
- Whoa. Time out.
I feel like the real takeaway for me from that phone call
is that she's been actively talking to this guy,
flirting with him also.
- We can't tell Michael
that she's been talking to James in a sexual way.
He will die of a broken heart.
[phone ringing] - Oh, boy.
- [gasps]
Hello.
- Hi. Christin?
- Hey, it's Nev.
First of all, thank you for getting in touch with me.
Your sister is Julia, right?
- Right. Okay, your sister Julia is friends
with a number of different reality television
competition show contestants.
As of the last few months,
taking to this one guy, Michael.
What can you just tell us about your sister?
- Oh. Great.
- We're really just trying to figure out
what's going on here.
- All right. Great. So, call me back,
and hopefully we'll speak to you shortly.
- All right. Thanks.
- Bye.
- Are you gonna say it, or should I?
It's her!
- I mean, I would agree, it does seem strange.
- She has that same soft voice that Michael said Julia has.
"No. I don't watch reality TV."
Julia's phone number also directly connects
to this Chris Tin page.
Christin is Julia.
But why would she catfish as her sister?
- That's what I don't understand.
- Somebody is lying around here.
- This just went from an episode of "Big Brother"
to "Oh, brother."
♪ ♪
- Wassup? I gotta tell you.
I have been thinking about this episode since yesterday.
I cannot come up with an answer that makes sense.
- The first instinct that I had when I woke up this morning
was it's still Christin, the sister.
- I mean, look, she obviously could have easily lied to us
that she's not a fan and doesn't watch television.
So let's just for a moment assume that the sister
is a big fan of reality TV
and does want to talk with and flirt
with all of these older guys from former competition shows.
Why wouldn't she do it as herself?
Why would someone do that?
- I'm just really concerned about Michael,
because whoever this is has been talking to
and flirting with and sending nudes to James.
And that's gonna break his heart.
- I don't know what else we can do right now.
We haven't heard back from the sister.
I think we gotta just call Michael,
walk him through all this, see what he thinks.
- I just--it's gonna break Michael's little heart.
- Oh, wait a second. He says he'll come now.
[computer chimes]
- Hey, Michael. - Hey.
- Hey, y'all. So I'm hoping you're telling me
that you found my beautiful angel from Heaven,
and today's gonna be the day that I get to see her.
- We were hoping to tell you that too, man.
We're honestly not quite sure what to tell you right now.
- Okay. [laughs]
- So, I'm going to share my screen with you.
- Okay. - All right.
So this is Julia's Facebook page.
If we go to photos, there's a reference here
to the Brunswick Community College
Lady Dolphins basketball team.
And we found an album from the 2010-2011
Lady Dolphins, and look who pops up on the first picture.
Julia! - That's promising.
- Julia Crews. - Yeah.
- So this not only confirms that the girl in the pictures
is Julia Crews, it also confirms
that her age is her age.
- Beautiful. - And we found another picture
on a different website with an article
about how she's agreed to go to that school,
with a basketball scholarship, and even more incredibly,
mentions her whole family--her sister,
her mom, her dad.
And they're in this photo.
So in an unbelievably rare twist of fate,
we've now confirmed that Julia Crews
is not only a real person,
but she's the girl in the pictures.
- [sniffling]
- Oh, are you okay, Michael?
- I will be. [laughs]
- It's pretty good information.
- It is. - So I can understand why
it's overwhelming to hear.
But there is more to show you. So hang in there.
- Right. So, after this article,
obviously, we were feeling surprised.
And that only continued when we looked up her phone number,
and her phone number came back registered to Julia Crews.
- But is there a "but?" [laughs]
- Well, something that's a little strange
is the fact that this phone number
also directly connects to this social media account.
- That's her sister. - Right.
- That's right. But it is interesting
that Christin's Facebook is linked to that number.
- Does Julia ever talk about her sister?
- Oh, absolutely. They live together.
She'll say, "My sister and I are watching 'The Challenge,'"
or "We're watching 'Big Brother.'"
That happens all the time. - Wait. Interesting.
'Cause Kamie, you remember what she told us yesterday?
- Right. - Uh-oh.
- We messaged Christin. - Oh.
- And Christin told us that her and her sister
are not really into reality TV,
which goes very much against what Julia has told you,
which is interesting.
And you had said you felt like you remembered
her voice being sort of soft.
- Yeah. - The sister also has
a very soft speaking voice.
- So that goes us thinking
that maybe her sister has been impersonating her.
- Oh. Interesting.
- We also saw that you had some mutual friends.
- Both named James. Both who apparently have been on,
you know, "Big Brother."
- What we're seeing here, obviously, is a trend now.
You, Russell, James, all former players on reality shows
that have all been approached at some point by Julia.
It certainly brings up a concern of, well,
is this person just obsessed
with talking to former reality show people?
So we messaged both of them.
- Oh! - And the first person
that got back to us was James Huling.
- And we asked him about Julia.
He said that he has spoken to Julia many times.
- Huh. - They did develop
a flirtation.
And I think you should know that James even went so far
as to say that, at times, she sent explicit photographs,
and has been in communication
with her periodically in this way
up until as recently as, like, a couple weeks ago.
- Holy crap.
- ♪ Cold nights ♪
♪ Walking on the street ♪
It hurts. I mean--
Oh, it hurt-- I mean, it does.
It's--I mean, I'm human. You know?
I feel like now we're square one, all over again.
I'd rather someone be honest with me.
- ♪ When I had you by my side ♪
♪ I fell in love with you ♪
That's why I don't really date fans,
because they can be crazy.
- Whether it's the sister or really Julia,
it still breaks my heart to think
that you feel like you found a real,
genuine connection with someone,
and they're having those kinds of connections
with other people. - And that sucks.
- ♪ These pictures of you ♪
Wow.
I feel like bricks has literally fell on my head.
- ♪ These pictures of you ♪
Can I have a breather? - Yeah.
You want to take a minute? Absolutely.
- All right. Give me a second.
♪ ♪
- I feel so bad.
[somber music]
♪ ♪
- You’re back.
- I’m blown away right now. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah .
- Well, at this point, it could be Christin.
\h\h\h\hBut we just don’t know for sure.
\hWhat we do know, though, is that whoever Julia is,
she’s having conversations \h\h\h\h\h\h\hon the side
with at least this one \hother person, James.
- So what can we do?
- So, do you reach out
\h\h\h\h\hto Christin again and say "What’s going on?"
\h\h\h- Well, the only thing I haven’t tried is to text Julia.
- I mean, I think that that’s
probably the only option \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwe have.
- All right. Let me try. \h\hSending a text, then.
"Hey Julia. This is Nev from the show ’Catfish.’
"We’re trying to get \hin touch with you
"so that we can clear up \h\h\h\ha couple things
"and explain what’s going on.
"We could use your help,
and it would be nice \hto speak with you."
\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - All right. Send.
Delivered.
So now we wait.
Do you want to maybe try messaging her to see if--
- Yeah. Absolutely.
\h\h\h\h- I think you need to put the pressure on her.
- Okay. So I’m gonna- \h\h\h\h\h\h"Listen,
’Catfish’ and I need to talk. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hPlease."
\h- Yeah. Send it. Hopefully it’ll push Julia to respond.
The weird thing is we’ve got \h\h\hto remember, you know,
we keep calling her Julia,
\h\h\h\h\h\hbecause obviously that’s what you know her as,
but there is a chance that the real Julia,
who we know exists,
and whoever you’re talking to, \h\h\hare not the same person.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right. - And it could either be
that it’s her sister or just \hsomeone entirely different.
\h\h\h\h\hSo-- [phone chimes]
\hOh. - Oh!
- Oh. Okay.
So, Julia just wrote back.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hShe said, "Okay. How can I help?"
I think I’m just gonna kind of be direct and honest about it.
\h\h\h\h\h- Absolutely. - "So we had called you
"to discuss your friendship \h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith Michael.
"His friend contacted us
\h"because he was concerned might be getting catfished.
\h\h\h"We would love to prove him wrong.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h"So ideally, if you could Zoom with us
"and confirm your identity, that would be super helpful
and put us all at ease." \h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right.
- All right. Sending.
\h\h\hI think the response we get to this is gonna be
either incredibly helpful \h\hor vague and evasive.
[phone chimes] \h\h\h\h\h- Oh.
- Where’s that Zoom link?
- [gasps]
- Okay, so she wants \h\h\hto talk to us.
I’m just gonna send this, \h\hand see what happens.
♪ ♪
\h\h\h\h\hLet’s find out who this girl really us.
\h\h\h- Is it just Julia? Is it gonna be Christin?
- Feel like I’m gonna have a heart attack.
[intense music]
[computer chimes] \h\h\h\h\h\h- Oh.
Hi. Hello?
- Hi. - Hey.
- Hi.
- Do you have something \hcovering your camera?
- Yeah.
\h\h- Okay. Well, is there any chance we could see your face?
- I’m just super nervous.
- I know this is hard for you,
but you and Michael have been \h\htalking now for a while.
Here he is. And would love to get to know you better,
ideally meeting up in person,
but in the absence of that, \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hat least...
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Facial. - Speaking face-to-face,
if you will.
- I’ve been talking to Michael.
\h\h\hI’m just super nervous about what he’ll think of me.
- Okay.
- I mean, my biggest thing \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\his I’d just
like to see who you are \h\h\h\h\h\h\hfor you.
\h\hI’m not a very judgmental person.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hHowever, I do have some concerns
why you don’t want to show
\h\h\h\hthat beautiful face that I’ve been looking at.
- I don’t think that you’re \h\h\h\h\hvery judgmental.
I think you’re really sweet.
\hAnd I’m hoping that, after what I tell you,
that you’ll still be \h\haccepting of me.
- I look at somebody \h\hfrom the inside,
not the outside.
- I’m just really nervous.
- What will it take?
What do we have to do right now \h\h\hto kind of re-assure you
that it’s okay to show Michael \h\h\h\h\h\hwho you really are?
♪ ♪
- All I’m asked right now \h\h\his just the truth.
- Um--
♪ ♪
I mean, I think I’m ready.
- Okay.
♪ ♪
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- Hey. - Hey.
- You’re who you are. \h\h\h\h- I told you.
- Girl. What is going on?
- Um--I just had some things \h\hhappen to me in the past.
\h\h\h\h\hThere’s things that I haven’t really told you yet.
That’s why I’ve been hesitant, talking on the phone or video.
It took me a really long time \h\h\h\h\h\hto open up about.
\h\h\h\h\hAnd I know that we’ve-we’ve talked a lot
about our relationship with God \h\h\h\h\h\hand with religion.
\h\h\h\h\hAnd I just--you know, I didn’t want you to judge me.
The past few years, I--
I started dating women \h\h\h\h\h\h\has well.
\h\h\h\hI just wanted you to be able to accept me,
\h\h\h\hand I was just scared to be vulnerable and open up.
♪ ♪
Much and I haven’t even \h\h\h\hreally met yet.
And I just--I don’t want \h\h\hto disappoint him.
And I guess that’s a big reason \h\h\h\hwhy I was so hesitant.
- Sorry. Just to be clear,
\h\hare you currently seeing someone other than Michael?
- No. I haven’t dated anyone \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfor a while.
\h\h\h\h\h- Well, Michael, how do you feel about that?
- I would have respected that \h\h\h\h\hfrom the beginning.
I have dated girls that was bisexual.
\h\h\h\hIf she was saying, "Okay, I’m just with you,"
I wouldn’t have judged that.
But I also know you’ve got \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto be loyal
and you’ve got to see faithful \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto each other.
And my question is,
have you had conversations \hwith other reality stars
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand it went, like, to a different level?
- Well, I’ve had a, like, \h\h\h\hfew conversations
with different reality stars.
Like, James from "Big Brother."
But it never really went \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hanywhere.
- Julia, we spoke to James, \hand he basically told us
that you guys had had
\h\h\ha relationship of sorts over years,
and that you were speaking up until a couple of weeks ago,
and that you sent him, like, explicit photos.
So I think that’s something
that Michael might want some clarification on.
- James and I--like, in the past, I mean,
we did share sexy photos \h\h\h\h\h\hor whatever.
A few years ago.
\hBut, like, whenever we talk now, it’s just like,
"Hey. How are you doing?"
It wasn’t a serious thing.
\h\h\h\h\hLike, with James, or, like, with anyone else,
\h\h\h\h\h\hit’s just, like, casual flirtations, I guess.
- I think the concern \h\h\h\hfrom us was,
are you just some reality \h\h\hcompetition groupie
who gets sort of a kick out
of potentially messing \h\h\hwith these guys?
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- No. - Then what draws you,
do you think, to these guys \hfrom these reality shows?
\h\h\h- Okay, so I added, like, a bunch of people on reality TV
\h\h\h\hjust because I love "Big Brother."
\h\h\hAnd, like, Michael and I, when we first started talking,
it was about "Big Brother."
\h\h\hLike, I was just gonna casually, like, talk to him.
And then we started talking \h\h\h\h\h\hmore and more.
\h\hWith Michael, it’s like we’re having conversations,
like, every day.
\h\h\h\h\hI’m not having these conversations with anyone else.
\h- Can I just clear up a couple things, then?
Because I’ll be the first \h\hto officially say it.
We are so relieved \hthat you are you.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Amen. - Because obviously, you know,
you had only talked mainly through Facebook and text.
You have two different \h\h\h\hFacebook pages,
which was kind of confusing.
- I got locked out of that one.
\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay. - But I had, like,
already made another one. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay.
And so everything we know about you is true, then.
\h\h\h\h\h\hYou’re 28. You played basketball.
You live in South Carolina. \h\h\h\h\h\h\hAll of that.
- Yeah. Everything is true.
- So all the sort of hesitation \h\h\h\habout showing yourself
\h\h\h\h\h\hwasn’t because of any physical insecurity.
It was just about the sort \h\h\h\h\h\ha vulnerability
\h\h\h\h\h\hthat comes with showing yourself.
- Yes.
\h\h\h\h- Julia, yesterday, when we talked to Christin,
we asked her about Michael,
and she didn’t seem \hto know who he is.
Does your family know \h\h\h\h\habout him?
- My whole family knows. Yes.
\h\h\h\h\h- So all the stuff with the family not knowing,
\hnot watching reality TV, all that stuff, was her covering?
\h\h\h\h\h- I don’t know. She was covering for me,
so she said whatever.
- So the only thing that \hwere afraid to tell me
is that you’re bisexual.
- Well, no. Um--
[somber music]
A few years ago...
\h\hI had been out and I was drinking.
And I trusted someone \h\h\hto take me home,
and they didn’t-they didn’t \h\h\h\h\h\h\htake me home.
And...
I was assaulted.
\hAnd it’s just made me super vulnerable, like,
especially with men.
So it’s just, like,
\h\hI take things, like, super slowly.
\h\h\h\h- I’m really sorry that that happened to you.
Obviously, your experience \h\h\hand when you share it
and how long it takes you \h\h\h\h\h\h\hto share it
is completely up to you,
because it’s your life \h\hand it’s your body.
- That’s how I feel. Thank you.
- I do wanna ask you, though,
do you even see yourself \h\h\hcurrently mentally
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand emotionally and spiritually dating again?
And are your feelings for Michael romantic
or are they friendship-based?
- I do wanna ask you,
are your feelings for Michael \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hromantic
or are they friendship-based?
[tense music]
- Well, I really like Michael.
I think he’s really sweet.
And we text every day.
\h\h\h\hWe connect on, like, different levels,
\h\hand we’re, like, into the same things.
I was hoping that we’d be able
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto meet and see where things went.
- So you are interested in him \h\h\h\h\h\hin a romantic way.
- Yeah.
Like, I want to meet him.
\h\h\h- So all of that is real. That’s what’s blowing my mind,
is that, like, you’re real, \h\h\h\hyour story is real,
the way you feel about \h\h\hMichael is real.
- Like, I’ve had people, like, \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hquestion
if I was catfishing them \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbefore,
\hbecause I’m just, like, so hesitant about, like,
talking on the phone and, like, videoing.
I’m just, like, weird about it.
- Well, I’m weird too. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I know.
That’s why we’re perfect \h\h\h\h\hfor each other.
- Is this really happening? \h\h\h\h\hAre we dreaming?
Pinch me. I don’t understand. \h\h\hAm I missing something?
- How do you feel, Michael?
- You know--[sighs]
There’s some questions.
But I’m not judging you.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I don’t know. I just--I don’t want you to,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlike, feel, like, I was, like, hiding--
I just--it just takes me \h\ha while to get there.
Like, I go at my own, \hslow pace, I guess.
I didn’t know how to deal with it,
and all this happened, \h\h\h\hand I was like,
\h\h\h\h"Okay, like, I need to tell you."
- Well, here we are.
\hand we’re gonna get through this.
\h\h- You know, even for Julia, I think she’s still coping with
\h\hand dealing with a lot of what she’s been through.
And no one can say how long \h\h\h\hit’s going to take.
\hAnd you’re never gonna get over it, you know, magically.
But I think that it’s really \hbrave that you came on here
and talked about it.
- So, I would love to meet you, \h\h\h\h\h\hactually in person.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hI do like to take things slowly.
- And I know that. \h\h\h\h- Yeah. So.
We can try meeting up, going on a few dates, see where it goes.
If you want.
- Oh, he wants.
[laughter]
- Do you want, Michael?
\h- Do you want to? - Well, of course.
I mean, I want to take her \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hon a date.
She is beautiful.
I mean, she is a knock-out.
I’m falling for a girl \hthrough text message,
so I can only imagine \h\h\h\hin real life.
- Well, look, guys, \h\h\h\hI gotta say,
I did not expect it \hto end this way,
but I am so happy that it did.
You’ve both been through \h\h\h\hdifficult things.
but you found each other.
So I think this could be
\h\h\h\ha really great beginning of something.
\h\hBut mainly, I just want to let you guys start doing
\h\hwhatever it is you guys want to do
and not have us around \h\h\h\hbothering you.
♪ ♪
So hopefully you guys \h\hcan meet up soon.
- I wanna see her next week.
\h\h- You’re ready to drive out there.
- Absolutely.
- We’re excited to see \h\h\h\h\hwhat happens,
\h\hand fingers crossed, you know, things go well.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
\h\h- Well, good luck. - Bye. Yeah, good luck.
- ♪ This is the good life ♪
♪ Oh, oh, oh, \hoh, oh, oh ♪
♪ This is the good life ♪
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h♪ Oh, oh, oh whoa, whoa, whoa, oh, oh ♪
♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh, \h\h\h\h\h\hoh, oh ♪
♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪
- Jason's been talking to Mark.
- He makes me feel like-- like I'm wanted.
- But you've been sending money to this person.
- Do you see these red flags?
[phone line beeps]
[gasps] It was a girl.
- Deep breath, Jason. Deep breath.
- I'm so nervous.
[doorbell rings]
- Get the [bleep] outta here.