1 00:00:01,435 --> 00:00:03,270 - Michael is a reality TV star who's fallen in love 2 00:00:03,337 --> 00:00:05,372 with Julia, a girl he met online. 3 00:00:05,439 --> 00:00:06,673 - We talked about our future, 4 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:08,342 how many kids she wants to have. 5 00:00:08,408 --> 00:00:10,444 But this is a very tough situation. 6 00:00:10,511 --> 00:00:13,113 because he said that she's a virgin. 7 00:00:13,180 --> 00:00:15,115 - [gasps] - Wait a second. 8 00:00:15,182 --> 00:00:17,017 52 mutual friends? Wow. 9 00:00:17,084 --> 00:00:18,519 - That would be reality stars. 10 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:21,722 - So she's a fangirl. There has to be a catch. 11 00:00:21,788 --> 00:00:23,023 - What the hell's going on? 12 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:24,525 - Feel like I'm gonna have a heart attack. 13 00:00:24,591 --> 00:00:25,692 [chiming] 14 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:31,532 - ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪ 15 00:00:31,598 --> 00:00:33,667 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:33,734 --> 00:00:35,736 - This morning, my four-legged son 17 00:00:35,802 --> 00:00:39,640 decided to create destruction and havoc in my home. 18 00:00:39,706 --> 00:00:41,909 Why? Why'd you do that? 19 00:00:41,975 --> 00:00:44,011 - ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪ 20 00:00:44,077 --> 00:00:45,812 - Are you sorry? 21 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:47,481 No? Okay. 22 00:00:47,548 --> 00:00:48,782 - ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪ 23 00:00:48,849 --> 00:00:50,484 - Hey, Beauty Queen. 24 00:00:52,653 --> 00:00:53,921 - You got texts. 25 00:00:53,987 --> 00:00:57,324 Finally, Nev addresses me as I should be addressed. 26 00:00:59,026 --> 00:01:00,527 - "Finally some respect." 27 00:01:00,594 --> 00:01:01,595 [laughs] 28 00:01:01,662 --> 00:01:02,930 [chiming] 29 00:01:03,063 --> 00:01:04,598 - Oh. - There she is. 30 00:01:04,665 --> 00:01:06,600 - Hell--wow! 31 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:11,071 Oh, my God. Some color in your world. 32 00:01:11,138 --> 00:01:13,740 - I guess that's true. I don't really ever wear color, so-- 33 00:01:13,807 --> 00:01:16,877 - "Dancing with the Stars" is turning you into a new person. 34 00:01:16,944 --> 00:01:20,247 - All right, let's dive into a new Catfish case. 35 00:01:20,314 --> 00:01:21,682 - I'm ready. - All right. 36 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:24,785 Here is our email. This is from Russell. 37 00:01:25,619 --> 00:01:28,288 "Hey, Nev and Kamie. My name is Russell. 38 00:01:28,355 --> 00:01:29,656 "Several months ago. 39 00:01:29,723 --> 00:01:35,329 "A girl named Julia reached out to me. 40 00:01:35,395 --> 00:01:39,366 "She was flirty for a while. 41 00:01:39,433 --> 00:01:41,702 "But it never went anywhere. 42 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:45,138 "And I never thought much of it, until recently, 43 00:01:45,205 --> 00:01:47,875 "when my friend Michael told me 44 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:50,344 he had fallen hard for a girl he met online." 45 00:01:50,410 --> 00:01:52,579 - ♪ They say the past is the past ♪ 46 00:01:52,646 --> 00:01:56,650 "Then I realized it was the same Julia." 47 00:01:56,717 --> 00:01:58,852 - Ooh. - ♪ Oh, I believe ♪ 48 00:01:58,919 --> 00:02:01,822 - "Michael has been talking to her for four months. 49 00:02:01,889 --> 00:02:03,724 - ♪ I believe, I believe, I believe ♪ 50 00:02:03,790 --> 00:02:07,461 - "And she only wants to text. No video calls. 51 00:02:07,528 --> 00:02:10,931 "But Michael is ready to uproot his life to be with her 52 00:02:11,064 --> 00:02:12,399 and even give her a kid." 53 00:02:12,466 --> 00:02:16,069 - ♪ I believe in this ♪ 54 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:17,471 - "I don't trust her. 55 00:02:17,538 --> 00:02:19,640 "And Michael and I have a shared experience 56 00:02:19,706 --> 00:02:22,776 that makes us vulnerable to online advances." 57 00:02:22,843 --> 00:02:24,211 - Hm. 58 00:02:24,278 --> 00:02:25,846 "I don't want to see my friend get played. 59 00:02:25,913 --> 00:02:29,716 "And I need you guys to knock some sense into Michael 60 00:02:29,783 --> 00:02:33,954 "and see this girl for who she potentially is: 61 00:02:34,087 --> 00:02:36,890 "a catfish and a liar. 62 00:02:36,957 --> 00:02:38,926 All the best. Russell." 63 00:02:41,428 --> 00:02:43,564 Wow. - So, Russell was catfished 64 00:02:43,630 --> 00:02:44,965 by Julia. - Presumably. 65 00:02:45,098 --> 00:02:46,533 - Possibly. - Right. 66 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,203 These two friends have both interacted with the same girl. 67 00:02:49,269 --> 00:02:50,971 Russell's convinced she's a catfish, 68 00:02:51,104 --> 00:02:54,608 but now Michael's on the hook and doesn't want to hear it. 69 00:02:54,675 --> 00:02:57,511 - Hm, and what's this weird vulnerability? 70 00:02:57,578 --> 00:03:00,247 - So we gotta call Russell and get a little bit more info. 71 00:03:00,314 --> 00:03:01,448 Let me text him. - I wanna know 72 00:03:01,515 --> 00:03:02,449 what this thing is. 73 00:03:02,516 --> 00:03:03,650 What is the secret? 74 00:03:03,717 --> 00:03:05,285 - What is this-- is this secret? 75 00:03:05,352 --> 00:03:07,154 He said, "Hey Nev. Thanks, yeah hope y'all 76 00:03:07,221 --> 00:03:08,722 can help my boy." 77 00:03:08,789 --> 00:03:10,557 - Oh yeah, he didn't say where he's from. 78 00:03:10,624 --> 00:03:11,825 - Did not say where he's from. 79 00:03:11,892 --> 00:03:14,461 But we'll find out soon enough. 80 00:03:14,528 --> 00:03:15,762 - But he said "y'all." [computer chimes] 81 00:03:15,829 --> 00:03:17,364 Ah! - Oh. 82 00:03:17,431 --> 00:03:19,166 - Hi! - Wait, "The Russell--" 83 00:03:19,233 --> 00:03:21,935 What What does that shirt say? 84 00:03:22,069 --> 00:03:23,403 - "The Russell Hantz Show." 85 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:25,205 It's a YouTube podcast. 86 00:03:25,272 --> 00:03:28,342 And I was on a few reality TV events. 87 00:03:28,408 --> 00:03:31,311 - Oh? - Yeah. One being "Survivor." 88 00:03:31,378 --> 00:03:33,480 - [gasps] Did you survive? 89 00:03:33,547 --> 00:03:35,449 - I was a three-time contestant, 90 00:03:35,516 --> 00:03:37,084 two-time fan favorite. 91 00:03:37,117 --> 00:03:39,786 - Wow. - That's insane. 92 00:03:39,853 --> 00:03:41,688 - And Michael was on reality TV too. 93 00:03:41,755 --> 00:03:43,657 - I knew there was something up. 94 00:03:43,724 --> 00:03:44,992 And I was like, what could it be? 95 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:47,628 But this is it. - Yeah. Well, he was, like, 96 00:03:47,694 --> 00:03:50,464 a fan favorite on "Big Brother." 97 00:03:50,531 --> 00:03:51,665 - Oh, my God. 98 00:03:51,732 --> 00:03:54,701 - I met Michael doing reality TV events. 99 00:03:54,768 --> 00:03:57,671 And I've been friends with him for about ten years now. 100 00:03:57,738 --> 00:03:59,106 - Where do you guys both live? 101 00:03:59,173 --> 00:04:00,941 - Well, I live in Houston. 102 00:04:01,041 --> 00:04:02,609 - Oh, okay. - He's all over the place. 103 00:04:02,676 --> 00:04:04,444 Right now, he's here. 104 00:04:04,511 --> 00:04:08,248 - Oh, this is so cool. Okay, so what's the tea? 105 00:04:08,315 --> 00:04:11,318 So you met this Julia person first. 106 00:04:11,385 --> 00:04:14,821 - Yes. She messaged me, and I talked to her, 107 00:04:14,888 --> 00:04:17,658 but it wasn't anything romantic. 108 00:04:17,724 --> 00:04:19,092 I didn't think anything of it. 109 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:21,428 And then Mike was like, "Oh, I met this girl." 110 00:04:21,495 --> 00:04:22,763 And he shows me a picture of her, 111 00:04:22,829 --> 00:04:24,765 and as soon as he shows me a picture, 112 00:04:24,831 --> 00:04:26,667 I recognized her immediately. 113 00:04:26,733 --> 00:04:28,302 - The same girl. - Yes. 114 00:04:28,368 --> 00:04:30,771 And I believe her to be a catfish. 115 00:04:30,838 --> 00:04:33,207 Because she don't even talk to him on the phone. 116 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:37,177 And she no only follow me, I called a couple of my friends 117 00:04:37,244 --> 00:04:39,980 that's in "Survivor"-- she's following both of them. 118 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,582 All reality stars. 119 00:04:41,648 --> 00:04:44,117 - So she's a fangirl. - That's what I'm thinking. 120 00:04:44,184 --> 00:04:46,086 I like Mike. He's a good guy. 121 00:04:46,086 --> 00:04:48,722 But he's dealing with a lot right now in his life. 122 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:52,092 And I hope it's real. I just know it's not. 123 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:53,994 But he thinks she's real. 124 00:04:54,094 --> 00:04:55,162 - Yeah. - I mean. 125 00:04:55,229 --> 00:04:56,663 - If have you called Michael 126 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:58,498 and said, "Hey, it's Russell. 127 00:04:58,565 --> 00:05:00,701 I reached out to 'Catfish.' They want to help," 128 00:05:00,767 --> 00:05:02,469 do you think that would be a good way 129 00:05:02,536 --> 00:05:04,872 to kind of break the news to him and get him involved? 130 00:05:04,938 --> 00:05:08,308 - He's so invested in her right now, emotionally. 131 00:05:08,375 --> 00:05:09,443 So I think he would do it. 132 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:11,111 - Tell him to get in the Zoom. 133 00:05:11,178 --> 00:05:12,513 'Cause we need to talk. 134 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:18,285 - Hey, man. What's happening? 135 00:05:18,352 --> 00:05:19,853 - I got a little surprise for you. 136 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,555 You know how we talked about Julia? 137 00:05:21,622 --> 00:05:25,058 I'm kind of on a Zoom call with "Catfish" right now. 138 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:29,830 - [laughs] 139 00:05:33,367 --> 00:05:34,568 - They wanna talk to you. 140 00:05:36,236 --> 00:05:37,704 - [laughs] 141 00:05:37,771 --> 00:05:39,473 - We're gonna go ahead and put you in on a Zoom. 142 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:41,742 We'll go from there. 143 00:05:41,808 --> 00:05:43,410 - Bye. Bye, man. 144 00:05:43,477 --> 00:05:44,611 - All right, you put his number 145 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:46,113 in the email, right? - Yeah. 146 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:50,984 ♪ ♪ 147 00:05:51,084 --> 00:05:52,519 - All right, sent. 148 00:05:52,586 --> 00:05:55,789 - If anybody's gonna break Michael's heart... 149 00:05:58,392 --> 00:06:00,127 - [laughs] 150 00:06:00,194 --> 00:06:02,062 [computer chimes] 151 00:06:02,129 --> 00:06:04,164 - Hey. There he is. 152 00:06:04,231 --> 00:06:06,633 - Hey, Michael. 153 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:08,335 - What's up, Mike? - Oh, my goodness. 154 00:06:08,402 --> 00:06:10,871 - What's happening, brother? - Michael, obviously, 155 00:06:10,938 --> 00:06:13,473 Russell reached out 'cause you're his friend, 156 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:15,909 and he understands that you're in a situation 157 00:06:16,043 --> 00:06:18,679 where you might need some assistance. 158 00:06:18,745 --> 00:06:21,081 So listen, Michael, before we jump in with you, 159 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:23,116 I just want to give Russell a chance to say goodbye 160 00:06:23,183 --> 00:06:26,053 so that we can kind of start focusing on the Julia thing. 161 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:29,056 - Yeah. I just wanted to say, you know, I did this 162 00:06:29,056 --> 00:06:30,424 'cause I care about you. 163 00:06:30,490 --> 00:06:32,793 I just want you to find out what's real 164 00:06:32,860 --> 00:06:36,630 so you can go forward with your life with positive things 165 00:06:36,697 --> 00:06:39,533 instead of things we just don't know anything about. 166 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,368 - Right. And I appreciate that. - All right. 167 00:06:41,435 --> 00:06:43,637 Russell, thank you. 168 00:06:43,704 --> 00:06:45,639 - Love you, brother. - All right, man. Thank you. 169 00:06:45,706 --> 00:06:47,441 - Bye, Russell. - Bye, bye. 170 00:06:47,508 --> 00:06:51,178 - Wow. So hopefully, we prove him wrong. 171 00:06:51,245 --> 00:06:52,713 - Well-- - Well, look, to be fair, 172 00:06:52,779 --> 00:06:55,082 Russell doesn't necessarily know definitively 173 00:06:55,148 --> 00:06:56,350 that Julia is not real. 174 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:57,818 He just has a hunch. 175 00:06:57,885 --> 00:06:59,186 Before we get into all that, though, 176 00:06:59,253 --> 00:07:01,188 I just want to find out a little bit more at you. 177 00:07:01,255 --> 00:07:03,757 - Well, I'm 39 years old, 178 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:06,793 and I've got three beautiful children. 179 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:10,330 I'm currently married. But--I know, I know. 180 00:07:10,397 --> 00:07:12,032 But I'm going through a divorce. 181 00:07:12,065 --> 00:07:14,801 She broke up with me through a text message 182 00:07:14,868 --> 00:07:17,104 and said that I'm done. 183 00:07:17,171 --> 00:07:20,073 Yeah, 2020 started with-- in January, 184 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:21,542 my mother passed away, 185 00:07:21,608 --> 00:07:23,810 which was my best friend. 186 00:07:23,877 --> 00:07:28,048 And then COVID hit. And then the split up. 187 00:07:28,115 --> 00:07:32,920 And then now Julia. And so Julia escaped that--yes. 188 00:07:33,053 --> 00:07:35,189 You know, like, wanting to live again. 189 00:07:35,255 --> 00:07:36,490 - Right. 190 00:07:36,557 --> 00:07:38,058 - Where does Julia say that she lives? 191 00:07:38,091 --> 00:07:40,127 - She says she lives in South Carolina. 192 00:07:40,194 --> 00:07:43,897 Myrtle Beach. Because of my mother passing away, 193 00:07:43,964 --> 00:07:46,600 I left the town that we were living in 194 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:48,769 and I'm going cross-country. 195 00:07:48,836 --> 00:07:50,971 you know, Myrtle Beach is an option, 196 00:07:51,071 --> 00:07:54,074 which is crazy that I would even think about that. But-- 197 00:07:54,141 --> 00:07:58,846 - Wait, so you're trying to move closer to be near her? 198 00:07:58,912 --> 00:08:00,848 You're, like, all-in. Wow. 199 00:08:00,914 --> 00:08:02,382 - So tell us how the relationship started. 200 00:08:02,449 --> 00:08:04,651 - So, in July, 201 00:08:04,718 --> 00:08:08,922 basically two weeks after my separation with my wife, 202 00:08:09,022 --> 00:08:11,925 I get a message and add from Julia, 203 00:08:12,025 --> 00:08:14,027 asking me questions about the show, 204 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:17,231 because she's a huge fan. 205 00:08:17,297 --> 00:08:20,667 And here we are now. 206 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:24,037 We've been talking about three and a half months. 207 00:08:24,071 --> 00:08:26,507 We talked about our future, things like that, 208 00:08:26,573 --> 00:08:28,208 how many kids she wants to have. 209 00:08:28,275 --> 00:08:31,044 She wants four. I've already raised three. 210 00:08:31,044 --> 00:08:32,880 I'm like, "Well, let's start with one." 211 00:08:32,946 --> 00:08:35,849 - Aw-- What? Wait. Okay. 212 00:08:35,916 --> 00:08:38,118 So you guys started talking about 213 00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:39,786 three and a half months ago, and you guys have already 214 00:08:39,853 --> 00:08:43,056 talked about having kids, moving in-- 215 00:08:43,123 --> 00:08:45,058 - Because I do believe she's real. 216 00:08:45,092 --> 00:08:47,160 - I mean, it's a lot. - Wait. So, hold on a second. 217 00:08:47,227 --> 00:08:49,162 So, keep going. So, what else do you know about her? 218 00:08:49,229 --> 00:08:52,266 - She's 28 years old. We're Christians--both of us. 219 00:08:52,332 --> 00:08:55,936 She loves kids. So we have that in common. 220 00:08:56,069 --> 00:08:59,072 She said that she wanted to become a nun, 221 00:08:59,072 --> 00:09:02,809 and she then decided she wanted to have kids, 222 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:06,680 and she's kind of changed her perspective in life. 223 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:10,050 And so I kind of see the story being legit, 224 00:09:10,117 --> 00:09:13,053 especially being she's a virgin. 225 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,789 And--yes. And so, like, 226 00:09:15,856 --> 00:09:19,593 I've really handled this relationship very differently 227 00:09:19,660 --> 00:09:21,562 than I probably would with most. 228 00:09:21,628 --> 00:09:23,130 - Is it her religious beliefs? 229 00:09:23,197 --> 00:09:26,800 Seems like it's something that's important to her. 230 00:09:26,867 --> 00:09:30,537 - Right. And I respect that. 231 00:09:30,604 --> 00:09:33,207 - Does she post about religion a lot on her Facebook? 232 00:09:33,273 --> 00:09:34,908 - Oh, absolutely. - And does she have 233 00:09:35,042 --> 00:09:37,044 any other social media, other than the Facebook page? 234 00:09:37,044 --> 00:09:39,746 - All I know about is the Facebook. 235 00:09:39,813 --> 00:09:41,348 - You're so sure that she's real, 236 00:09:41,415 --> 00:09:44,351 but your buddy Russell has some legitimate concerns, 237 00:09:44,418 --> 00:09:47,054 like, she won't even get on the phone with you, right? 238 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,691 - I've only been able to get her on the phone call one time, 239 00:09:50,757 --> 00:09:53,293 and it was a very soft voice. 240 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,163 And we have not had another conversation. 241 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:59,733 And then every time I've said, "Hey, let's do video chat 242 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,469 or something like that," there's an excuse. 243 00:10:02,536 --> 00:10:07,007 Just, "I'm at work" or "I'm exhausted." 244 00:10:07,074 --> 00:10:09,776 - I want to see what this girl looks like. 245 00:10:09,843 --> 00:10:11,378 - Yeah, do you know how to share your screen? 246 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:13,514 - Absolutely. 247 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:15,449 - Oh, who's that? 248 00:10:15,516 --> 00:10:16,783 - That's Julia. 249 00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:21,455 - [gasps] You have her as your wallpaper? 250 00:10:21,522 --> 00:10:24,391 - I do. - Oh, my God. 251 00:10:24,458 --> 00:10:28,662 - All right, Julia Crews. Okay. Wow, 52 mutual friends? Wow. 252 00:10:28,729 --> 00:10:31,064 - That's a lot. - Yep. Reality stars. 253 00:10:31,131 --> 00:10:33,033 - But doesn't it concern you 254 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:34,668 that she's friends with so many 255 00:10:34,735 --> 00:10:36,670 other reality TV contestants? 256 00:10:36,737 --> 00:10:38,505 - I'm not worried about that, 257 00:10:38,572 --> 00:10:40,908 because I know she's a huge fan. 258 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:43,177 I don't know. I mean, I could be blind, too. 259 00:10:43,243 --> 00:10:45,479 - Okay. Just scroll through some pics. 260 00:10:45,546 --> 00:10:47,681 So, you got this. Beautiful. 261 00:10:47,748 --> 00:10:51,084 - She seems like a sweetheart. - She is. 262 00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:52,819 - Cute. - She's very cute. 263 00:10:52,886 --> 00:10:53,887 - She's cute. 264 00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:55,789 God--Jesus first. - Absolutely. 265 00:10:55,856 --> 00:10:57,457 - Cross on the shirt. 266 00:10:57,524 --> 00:10:59,459 - Well, this girl's cute, if it's who you're talking to. 267 00:10:59,526 --> 00:11:00,861 - She's beautifully, y'all. 268 00:11:00,928 --> 00:11:03,363 I mean, she's gotta be real. 269 00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:05,732 - I mean, look, there's a chance Julia is real 270 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:07,134 and her name is Julia, 271 00:11:07,201 --> 00:11:09,469 but she's just not the girl in the pictures. 272 00:11:09,536 --> 00:11:11,071 - Right. - So, I guess, 273 00:11:11,071 --> 00:11:13,073 what are your deal-breakers in this situation? 274 00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:14,842 If Julia's not the girl 275 00:11:14,908 --> 00:11:17,711 that you know in the pictures, would that matter? 276 00:11:17,778 --> 00:11:19,646 - You know, I don't think it would matter. 277 00:11:19,713 --> 00:11:23,083 - What if it was your ex-wife just trying to mess with you? 278 00:11:23,150 --> 00:11:25,085 - I had that same thought, too. The fact that you met Julia 279 00:11:25,118 --> 00:11:28,088 so shortly after you officially separated from your wife. 280 00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:30,457 - Yeah. I think what would hurt me the most 281 00:11:30,524 --> 00:11:32,626 is if it was my ex-wife. 282 00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:34,294 But I don't think it's her. 283 00:11:34,361 --> 00:11:37,364 I think this is Julia. I really think she's real. 284 00:11:37,431 --> 00:11:38,665 - All right. So let's get into it. 285 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:40,567 Send us her phone number, 286 00:11:40,634 --> 00:11:42,536 her Facebook page, things like that. 287 00:11:42,603 --> 00:11:43,704 - Okay. Sounds great. 288 00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:45,172 Good luck, y'all. - All right. 289 00:11:45,239 --> 00:11:47,007 Nice meet you, Michael. - Thanks, Michael. 290 00:11:49,109 --> 00:11:51,111 Michael seemed really genuine. 291 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:54,848 But it's not who he thinks it's going to be. 292 00:11:54,915 --> 00:11:58,118 - Right. - The ex-wife is a suspect. 293 00:11:58,151 --> 00:12:00,420 But with all those reality stars Julia's following, 294 00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:02,389 she could be some sort of clout chaser. 295 00:12:02,456 --> 00:12:04,925 Either way, I think our reality star 296 00:12:05,058 --> 00:12:07,094 is in for a sad dose of reality. 297 00:12:09,946 --> 00:12:11,514 - Get some fresh air. 298 00:12:11,581 --> 00:12:14,917 And then we go back to the investigation station. 299 00:12:16,886 --> 00:12:18,654 Hey. Morning. 300 00:12:18,721 --> 00:12:20,656 Let's go. 301 00:12:20,723 --> 00:12:21,958 - I'm ready. 302 00:12:22,024 --> 00:12:23,726 - All right. We've got Michael. 303 00:12:23,793 --> 00:12:25,394 He's a reality TV star who's smitten 304 00:12:25,461 --> 00:12:27,864 with a girl named Julia, who he met online. 305 00:12:27,930 --> 00:12:30,700 His reality buddy, Russell, contacted us, 306 00:12:30,766 --> 00:12:33,436 worried his friend Michael is being catfished by a fan, 307 00:12:33,503 --> 00:12:36,239 because this very same Julia profile 308 00:12:36,305 --> 00:12:38,407 also hit up Russell too. 309 00:12:38,474 --> 00:12:39,675 - Yeah. It's sus. 310 00:12:39,742 --> 00:12:40,910 - All right. 311 00:12:40,977 --> 00:12:42,778 Let's see if we've got an email here. 312 00:12:42,845 --> 00:12:44,213 "Hey. Thanks for talking with me. 313 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,548 "Here's the info I have about her. 314 00:12:45,615 --> 00:12:47,984 "Her name is Julia Crews, and her number and photos 315 00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:50,453 "she sent me are attached, and here is her Facebook page. 316 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,489 "And if you want to log in as me to see her full page, 317 00:12:53,556 --> 00:12:54,790 here's my login." 318 00:12:54,857 --> 00:12:57,660 Okay. "Here's to 2020 bringing more blessings. 319 00:12:57,727 --> 00:12:59,028 All the best. Michael." 320 00:12:59,095 --> 00:13:00,730 - Amen. - All right. 321 00:13:00,796 --> 00:13:03,232 So what do you want to do? What do you want to start with? 322 00:13:03,299 --> 00:13:04,834 - I guess we can run the photos. 323 00:13:04,901 --> 00:13:06,435 - So let's just pull some of these photos. 324 00:13:06,502 --> 00:13:09,739 Maybe we'll get lucky. All right, let's go to images. 325 00:13:09,805 --> 00:13:11,741 Nope. No hit. 326 00:13:11,807 --> 00:13:14,577 Okay. No. Nothing. 327 00:13:14,644 --> 00:13:15,678 - Nothing. 328 00:13:15,745 --> 00:13:18,047 - Hmm. 329 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,715 All right. Let's run the phone number. 330 00:13:19,782 --> 00:13:21,517 ♪ ♪ 331 00:13:21,584 --> 00:13:23,152 I think this is a dead end. 332 00:13:23,219 --> 00:13:24,754 Let's go to her Facebook page. 333 00:13:24,821 --> 00:13:27,623 Let's see what we can find. 334 00:13:27,690 --> 00:13:31,661 - Brunswick Community College Lady Dolphins basketball team. 335 00:13:31,727 --> 00:13:33,696 - What's this? 336 00:13:33,763 --> 00:13:35,765 This looks pretty legit. 337 00:13:35,832 --> 00:13:37,300 I mean, if she played on this team, 338 00:13:37,366 --> 00:13:38,534 you'd think she'd show up 339 00:13:38,601 --> 00:13:40,436 in some of these posts, maybe, right? 340 00:13:40,503 --> 00:13:42,505 - It would have been a while ago, though. 341 00:13:42,572 --> 00:13:45,808 What if we Googled "Julia Crews Brunswick Community College 342 00:13:45,875 --> 00:13:46,876 Lady Dolphins basketball"? 343 00:13:46,943 --> 00:13:49,345 ♪ ♪ 344 00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:53,749 - Julia Crew commits to BCC Brunswick Community College. 345 00:13:53,816 --> 00:13:54,817 - Huh. 346 00:13:54,884 --> 00:13:56,752 ♪ ♪ 347 00:13:56,819 --> 00:13:58,754 - Wait a second. - [gasps] 348 00:13:58,821 --> 00:14:01,824 Oh, my God. 349 00:14:01,891 --> 00:14:04,093 - That's her! 350 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,195 --is the oldest, at 18, 351 00:14:06,262 --> 00:14:08,264 with a 15-year-old sister, Cristin. 352 00:14:08,331 --> 00:14:10,433 Parents have never missed a game. 353 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:13,102 let's just see if there's any other images. 354 00:14:13,169 --> 00:14:14,871 Oh, wait. Here we go. 355 00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:17,273 2010-2011 Lady Dolphins. 356 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:19,175 Here's a picture of a girl in uniform. 357 00:14:20,810 --> 00:14:22,378 Ahh! That's her! 358 00:14:22,445 --> 00:14:24,714 - Oh, my God. 359 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:26,616 The main picture? - Are you kidding? 360 00:14:26,682 --> 00:14:28,451 The first photo? 361 00:14:28,518 --> 00:14:30,052 Julia Crews. 362 00:14:30,052 --> 00:14:32,054 - Number 14. 363 00:14:32,054 --> 00:14:34,790 - The biggest question for me now is, 364 00:14:34,857 --> 00:14:36,259 is this the girl he's talking to? 365 00:14:36,325 --> 00:14:38,060 - No. No. 366 00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:40,263 Too much is adding up, so something's not adding up. 367 00:14:40,329 --> 00:14:43,466 - So you think someone made a fake version of her, 368 00:14:43,533 --> 00:14:45,168 someone who knows her. 369 00:14:45,234 --> 00:14:48,070 - Yeah. He's just not talking to the girl in the pictures. 370 00:14:48,137 --> 00:14:51,140 - I mean, look, if Julia Crews is a 28-year old girl 371 00:14:51,207 --> 00:14:52,441 who went to that college, like, 372 00:14:52,508 --> 00:14:54,143 she should absolutely have a Facebook page 373 00:14:54,210 --> 00:14:55,578 that we should be able to find. 374 00:14:55,645 --> 00:14:59,715 Let's see if there are other Facebook profiles 375 00:14:59,782 --> 00:15:02,118 with the name Julia Crews. 376 00:15:02,185 --> 00:15:05,321 - Who's that one, with the 154 followers? 377 00:15:05,388 --> 00:15:06,422 - This? 378 00:15:08,457 --> 00:15:11,294 - Ahh! - Is that the same girl? 379 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,329 - [gasps] Yes. 380 00:15:13,396 --> 00:15:15,765 - So this could be her other profile, 381 00:15:15,832 --> 00:15:17,900 or this could be the profile for the real Julia Crews. 382 00:15:18,034 --> 00:15:19,302 Hold on a second. 383 00:15:19,368 --> 00:15:21,037 Let's see if there are any mutual friends 384 00:15:21,103 --> 00:15:24,040 between Michael and this new profile for Julia. 385 00:15:24,106 --> 00:15:26,576 - Yeah. He has mutual friends with this Julia. 386 00:15:26,642 --> 00:15:29,245 - The question is, which is the real version? 387 00:15:29,312 --> 00:15:31,113 - Who are the mutual friends? 388 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:33,749 - James and James. 389 00:15:33,816 --> 00:15:35,384 Interesting. 390 00:15:35,451 --> 00:15:36,686 - I'm Googling. 391 00:15:36,752 --> 00:15:41,157 James Zinkand is from "Big Brother 9." 392 00:15:41,224 --> 00:15:43,526 And this James is also from "Big Brother." 393 00:15:43,593 --> 00:15:48,097 - Oh, really. - Message them. Message them. 394 00:15:48,164 --> 00:15:50,533 - All right, let's message these guys. 395 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,336 To James. Don't even have to change the name. 396 00:15:53,402 --> 00:15:55,071 Love it. 397 00:15:55,104 --> 00:15:56,706 Oh, you know what we didn't try? 398 00:15:56,772 --> 00:15:59,342 What if we look up her phone number on a different site? 399 00:15:59,408 --> 00:16:01,644 Sometimes they get different results. 400 00:16:01,711 --> 00:16:02,745 - Worth a try. 401 00:16:02,812 --> 00:16:06,149 ♪ ♪ 402 00:16:06,215 --> 00:16:07,617 - Look at this! Her phone number. 403 00:16:07,683 --> 00:16:09,552 Julia Crews. 404 00:16:09,619 --> 00:16:11,254 What the hell's going on? 405 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,623 - No. There has to be a catch. 406 00:16:13,689 --> 00:16:15,224 - But that's the number he's been talking to. 407 00:16:15,291 --> 00:16:16,592 - No. - It's her. 408 00:16:16,659 --> 00:16:17,927 - No. - 28 years old. 409 00:16:18,027 --> 00:16:20,663 And a social media link. 410 00:16:20,730 --> 00:16:23,566 Oh, who's this? Chris Tin? 411 00:16:23,633 --> 00:16:25,434 - And look, there's Julia's face. 412 00:16:25,501 --> 00:16:27,203 She has pictures of Julia on here. 413 00:16:27,270 --> 00:16:29,038 She's in the picture. 414 00:16:29,071 --> 00:16:30,840 - Okay, so hold on a second. 415 00:16:30,907 --> 00:16:32,808 - I think that's Julia's sister. 416 00:16:32,875 --> 00:16:34,744 - Oh, really? - Yeah. 417 00:16:34,810 --> 00:16:36,746 Check that article, because in the article, 418 00:16:36,813 --> 00:16:39,348 didn't they say, like, Julia has a sister? 419 00:16:39,415 --> 00:16:41,517 That's her right there. That's here in the plaid. 420 00:16:41,584 --> 00:16:45,521 - Oh, my God. Yes. What the [bleep] is going on here? 421 00:16:45,588 --> 00:16:47,957 Why does her sister's social media connect 422 00:16:48,057 --> 00:16:49,559 to Julia's phone number? 423 00:16:49,625 --> 00:16:51,494 - Well, we need to message Christin. 424 00:16:51,561 --> 00:16:53,963 Wouldn't her sister know if she's talking to Michael? 425 00:16:54,063 --> 00:16:56,666 - Yes. 426 00:16:56,732 --> 00:16:58,067 All right. 427 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,168 [phone ringing] - Oh, getting a phone call. 428 00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:00,770 Getting a phone call. 429 00:17:01,370 --> 00:17:03,472 - Yeah. Hi, there. This is Nev. Who's this? 430 00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:12,215 - Great. Are you able to jump in a Zoom call, 431 00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:14,083 if I just send you a quick Zoom link? 432 00:17:15,017 --> 00:17:16,018 - All right. 433 00:17:16,052 --> 00:17:17,353 [tense music] 434 00:17:17,420 --> 00:17:20,923 [computer chimes] - Hey. How's it going? 435 00:17:21,023 --> 00:17:23,125 - It's going right now. It's going. 436 00:17:23,192 --> 00:17:25,194 - So listen. So, the reason that we reached out 437 00:17:25,261 --> 00:17:26,863 is because we're trying to help this guy 438 00:17:26,929 --> 00:17:28,931 who has also been on "Big Brother," 439 00:17:29,031 --> 00:17:33,169 who is talking to this girl online named Julia Crews. 440 00:17:33,236 --> 00:17:36,138 - Yes. I am friends with Julia Crews. 441 00:17:36,205 --> 00:17:37,607 I've been talking to this girl forever. 442 00:17:37,673 --> 00:17:39,041 - On the phone? 443 00:17:39,108 --> 00:17:40,710 - No. Not on the phone. 444 00:17:40,776 --> 00:17:42,812 That's what's crazy. we've never FaceTimed. 445 00:17:42,879 --> 00:17:44,046 We've never talked on the phone. 446 00:17:44,113 --> 00:17:46,149 - Right. - You know. 447 00:17:46,215 --> 00:17:47,783 But she sent me some photos. 448 00:17:47,850 --> 00:17:49,585 - Were you guys just friends, or was there, like, 449 00:17:49,652 --> 00:17:51,687 a flirtation relationship there? 450 00:17:51,754 --> 00:17:53,623 - There was a flirtatious relationship. 451 00:17:55,158 --> 00:17:57,126 - Has she sent you any other pictures? 452 00:17:57,193 --> 00:18:00,296 - [laughs] You mean, like, explicit photos? 453 00:18:00,363 --> 00:18:01,697 - You know what I mean. 454 00:18:01,764 --> 00:18:03,566 - [laughs] Yeah, she has. 455 00:18:03,633 --> 00:18:07,069 She's sent me explicit photos. She sent me some photos 456 00:18:07,103 --> 00:18:09,539 that are from, you know, the neck down. 457 00:18:09,605 --> 00:18:11,507 - Wow. - And when was the last time 458 00:18:11,574 --> 00:18:13,709 you talked to her that you can remember? 459 00:18:13,776 --> 00:18:16,879 - Like, a couple weeks ago. - A couple weeks ago? 460 00:18:17,013 --> 00:18:20,216 - Yeah. She says she misses me. "How have you been?" 461 00:18:20,283 --> 00:18:22,185 - [sighs] Okay. Well. 462 00:18:22,251 --> 00:18:23,386 - That's all very helpful. 463 00:18:23,452 --> 00:18:26,022 So thank you for-for talking to us. 464 00:18:26,055 --> 00:18:28,191 - I hope y'all figure out this dilemma. 465 00:18:28,257 --> 00:18:30,092 'cause I'm dying to know too, so-- 466 00:18:30,159 --> 00:18:32,528 - Thanks, James. 467 00:18:32,595 --> 00:18:34,697 - Whoa. Time out. 468 00:18:34,764 --> 00:18:36,899 I feel like the real takeaway for me from that phone call 469 00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:39,202 is that she's been actively talking to this guy, 470 00:18:39,268 --> 00:18:40,670 flirting with him also. 471 00:18:40,736 --> 00:18:42,038 - We can't tell Michael 472 00:18:42,104 --> 00:18:45,274 that she's been talking to James in a sexual way. 473 00:18:45,341 --> 00:18:46,776 He will die of a broken heart. 474 00:18:46,843 --> 00:18:48,444 [phone ringing] - Oh, boy. 475 00:18:51,581 --> 00:18:52,748 - [gasps] 476 00:18:52,815 --> 00:18:54,050 Hello. 477 00:18:55,318 --> 00:18:57,887 - Hi. Christin? 478 00:18:57,954 --> 00:18:59,755 - Hey, it's Nev. 479 00:18:59,822 --> 00:19:02,358 First of all, thank you for getting in touch with me. 480 00:19:02,425 --> 00:19:08,231 Your sister is Julia, right? 481 00:19:08,297 --> 00:19:11,434 - Right. Okay, your sister Julia is friends 482 00:19:11,501 --> 00:19:14,237 with a number of different reality television 483 00:19:14,303 --> 00:19:16,739 competition show contestants. 484 00:19:16,806 --> 00:19:18,040 As of the last few months, 485 00:19:18,107 --> 00:19:20,109 taking to this one guy, Michael. 486 00:19:20,176 --> 00:19:22,378 What can you just tell us about your sister? 487 00:19:25,047 --> 00:19:26,649 - Oh. Great. 488 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:34,724 - We're really just trying to figure out 489 00:19:34,790 --> 00:19:36,125 what's going on here. 490 00:19:40,763 --> 00:19:42,431 - All right. Great. So, call me back, 491 00:19:42,498 --> 00:19:46,869 and hopefully we'll speak to you shortly. 492 00:19:46,936 --> 00:19:48,871 - All right. Thanks. 493 00:19:48,938 --> 00:19:50,106 - Bye. 494 00:19:50,173 --> 00:19:52,141 - Are you gonna say it, or should I? 495 00:19:52,208 --> 00:19:53,743 It's her! 496 00:19:53,809 --> 00:19:57,580 - I mean, I would agree, it does seem strange. 497 00:19:57,647 --> 00:20:02,185 - She has that same soft voice that Michael said Julia has. 498 00:20:02,251 --> 00:20:05,454 "No. I don't watch reality TV." 499 00:20:05,521 --> 00:20:07,957 Julia's phone number also directly connects 500 00:20:08,057 --> 00:20:09,759 to this Chris Tin page. 501 00:20:09,826 --> 00:20:11,627 Christin is Julia. 502 00:20:11,694 --> 00:20:15,064 But why would she catfish as her sister? 503 00:20:15,131 --> 00:20:16,699 - That's what I don't understand. 504 00:20:16,766 --> 00:20:20,536 - Somebody is lying around here. 505 00:20:20,603 --> 00:20:23,139 - This just went from an episode of "Big Brother" 506 00:20:23,206 --> 00:20:24,574 to "Oh, brother." 507 00:20:26,348 --> 00:20:32,121 ♪ ♪ 508 00:20:32,187 --> 00:20:33,989 - Wassup? I gotta tell you. 509 00:20:34,056 --> 00:20:38,160 I have been thinking about this episode since yesterday. 510 00:20:38,227 --> 00:20:40,863 I cannot come up with an answer that makes sense. 511 00:20:40,929 --> 00:20:43,932 - The first instinct that I had when I woke up this morning 512 00:20:43,999 --> 00:20:46,769 was it's still Christin, the sister. 513 00:20:46,835 --> 00:20:48,704 - I mean, look, she obviously could have easily lied to us 514 00:20:48,771 --> 00:20:51,707 that she's not a fan and doesn't watch television. 515 00:20:51,774 --> 00:20:53,375 So let's just for a moment assume that the sister 516 00:20:53,442 --> 00:20:54,977 is a big fan of reality TV 517 00:20:55,044 --> 00:20:56,812 and does want to talk with and flirt 518 00:20:56,879 --> 00:21:02,317 with all of these older guys from former competition shows. 519 00:21:02,384 --> 00:21:04,253 Why wouldn't she do it as herself? 520 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:06,188 Why would someone do that? 521 00:21:06,255 --> 00:21:08,290 - I'm just really concerned about Michael, 522 00:21:08,357 --> 00:21:12,194 because whoever this is has been talking to 523 00:21:12,261 --> 00:21:16,532 and flirting with and sending nudes to James. 524 00:21:16,598 --> 00:21:18,634 And that's gonna break his heart. 525 00:21:18,701 --> 00:21:20,436 - I don't know what else we can do right now. 526 00:21:20,502 --> 00:21:23,272 We haven't heard back from the sister. 527 00:21:23,338 --> 00:21:24,673 I think we gotta just call Michael, 528 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:27,076 walk him through all this, see what he thinks. 529 00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:31,480 - I just--it's gonna break Michael's little heart. 530 00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:33,849 - Oh, wait a second. He says he'll come now. 531 00:21:33,916 --> 00:21:35,184 [computer chimes] 532 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:37,386 - Hey, Michael. - Hey. 533 00:21:37,453 --> 00:21:40,289 - Hey, y'all. So I'm hoping you're telling me 534 00:21:40,356 --> 00:21:43,292 that you found my beautiful angel from Heaven, 535 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,428 and today's gonna be the day that I get to see her. 536 00:21:46,495 --> 00:21:48,097 - We were hoping to tell you that too, man. 537 00:21:48,163 --> 00:21:53,102 We're honestly not quite sure what to tell you right now. 538 00:21:53,168 --> 00:21:55,771 - Okay. [laughs] 539 00:21:55,838 --> 00:21:59,141 - So, I'm going to share my screen with you. 540 00:21:59,208 --> 00:22:00,409 - Okay. - All right. 541 00:22:00,476 --> 00:22:01,810 So this is Julia's Facebook page. 542 00:22:01,877 --> 00:22:04,380 If we go to photos, there's a reference here 543 00:22:04,446 --> 00:22:06,248 to the Brunswick Community College 544 00:22:06,315 --> 00:22:07,850 Lady Dolphins basketball team. 545 00:22:07,916 --> 00:22:10,853 And we found an album from the 2010-2011 546 00:22:10,919 --> 00:22:14,390 Lady Dolphins, and look who pops up on the first picture. 547 00:22:14,456 --> 00:22:16,925 Julia! - That's promising. 548 00:22:16,992 --> 00:22:18,494 - Julia Crews. - Yeah. 549 00:22:18,627 --> 00:22:20,329 - So this not only confirms that the girl in the pictures 550 00:22:20,396 --> 00:22:22,231 is Julia Crews, it also confirms 551 00:22:22,297 --> 00:22:23,932 that her age is her age. 552 00:22:23,999 --> 00:22:26,769 - Beautiful. - And we found another picture 553 00:22:26,835 --> 00:22:28,804 on a different website with an article 554 00:22:28,871 --> 00:22:30,873 about how she's agreed to go to that school, 555 00:22:30,939 --> 00:22:33,876 with a basketball scholarship, and even more incredibly, 556 00:22:33,942 --> 00:22:35,844 mentions her whole family--her sister, 557 00:22:35,911 --> 00:22:36,879 her mom, her dad. 558 00:22:36,945 --> 00:22:38,447 And they're in this photo. 559 00:22:38,580 --> 00:22:41,650 So in an unbelievably rare twist of fate, 560 00:22:41,717 --> 00:22:44,953 we've now confirmed that Julia Crews 561 00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:46,588 is not only a real person, 562 00:22:46,622 --> 00:22:48,223 but she's the girl in the pictures. 563 00:22:50,893 --> 00:22:51,860 - [sniffling] 564 00:22:51,927 --> 00:22:53,696 - Oh, are you okay, Michael? 565 00:22:53,762 --> 00:22:55,197 - I will be. [laughs] 566 00:22:55,264 --> 00:22:57,433 - It's pretty good information. 567 00:22:57,499 --> 00:22:59,234 - It is. - So I can understand why 568 00:22:59,301 --> 00:23:00,769 it's overwhelming to hear. 569 00:23:00,836 --> 00:23:04,006 But there is more to show you. So hang in there. 570 00:23:04,073 --> 00:23:05,607 - Right. So, after this article, 571 00:23:05,641 --> 00:23:07,676 obviously, we were feeling surprised. 572 00:23:07,743 --> 00:23:12,047 And that only continued when we looked up her phone number, 573 00:23:12,114 --> 00:23:15,451 and her phone number came back registered to Julia Crews. 574 00:23:15,517 --> 00:23:17,453 - But is there a "but?" [laughs] 575 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:19,688 - Well, something that's a little strange 576 00:23:19,755 --> 00:23:21,623 is the fact that this phone number 577 00:23:21,623 --> 00:23:24,293 also directly connects to this social media account. 578 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,828 - That's her sister. - Right. 579 00:23:25,894 --> 00:23:27,563 - That's right. But it is interesting 580 00:23:27,596 --> 00:23:30,165 that Christin's Facebook is linked to that number. 581 00:23:30,232 --> 00:23:32,067 - Does Julia ever talk about her sister? 582 00:23:32,134 --> 00:23:34,036 - Oh, absolutely. They live together. 583 00:23:34,103 --> 00:23:38,173 She'll say, "My sister and I are watching 'The Challenge,'" 584 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,008 or "We're watching 'Big Brother.'" 585 00:23:40,075 --> 00:23:42,711 That happens all the time. - Wait. Interesting. 586 00:23:42,778 --> 00:23:45,013 'Cause Kamie, you remember what she told us yesterday? 587 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,348 - Right. - Uh-oh. 588 00:23:46,415 --> 00:23:49,918 - We messaged Christin. - Oh. 589 00:23:49,985 --> 00:23:53,689 - And Christin told us that her and her sister 590 00:23:53,756 --> 00:23:55,224 are not really into reality TV, 591 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:58,260 which goes very much against what Julia has told you, 592 00:23:58,327 --> 00:23:59,762 which is interesting. 593 00:23:59,828 --> 00:24:01,430 And you had said you felt like you remembered 594 00:24:01,497 --> 00:24:03,732 her voice being sort of soft. 595 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:06,135 - Yeah. - The sister also has 596 00:24:06,201 --> 00:24:09,338 a very soft speaking voice. 597 00:24:09,405 --> 00:24:10,839 - So that goes us thinking 598 00:24:10,906 --> 00:24:13,976 that maybe her sister has been impersonating her. 599 00:24:14,043 --> 00:24:17,646 - Oh. Interesting. 600 00:24:17,713 --> 00:24:21,617 - We also saw that you had some mutual friends. 601 00:24:21,617 --> 00:24:24,620 - Both named James. Both who apparently have been on, 602 00:24:24,620 --> 00:24:25,954 you know, "Big Brother." 603 00:24:26,021 --> 00:24:27,956 - What we're seeing here, obviously, is a trend now. 604 00:24:28,023 --> 00:24:33,562 You, Russell, James, all former players on reality shows 605 00:24:33,595 --> 00:24:36,331 that have all been approached at some point by Julia. 606 00:24:36,398 --> 00:24:38,600 It certainly brings up a concern of, well, 607 00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:40,402 is this person just obsessed 608 00:24:40,469 --> 00:24:44,339 with talking to former reality show people? 609 00:24:44,406 --> 00:24:47,276 So we messaged both of them. 610 00:24:47,342 --> 00:24:49,244 - Oh! - And the first person 611 00:24:49,311 --> 00:24:52,181 that got back to us was James Huling. 612 00:24:52,247 --> 00:24:54,483 - And we asked him about Julia. 613 00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:58,587 He said that he has spoken to Julia many times. 614 00:24:58,620 --> 00:25:00,155 - Huh. - They did develop 615 00:25:00,222 --> 00:25:01,990 a flirtation. 616 00:25:02,057 --> 00:25:05,928 And I think you should know that James even went so far 617 00:25:05,994 --> 00:25:10,466 as to say that, at times, she sent explicit photographs, 618 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:14,303 and has been in communication 619 00:25:14,370 --> 00:25:17,740 with her periodically in this way 620 00:25:17,806 --> 00:25:21,176 up until as recently as, like, a couple weeks ago. 621 00:25:21,243 --> 00:25:22,511 - Holy crap. 622 00:25:22,611 --> 00:25:26,281 - ♪ Cold nights ♪ 623 00:25:26,348 --> 00:25:28,350 ♪ Walking on the street ♪ 624 00:25:28,417 --> 00:25:30,819 It hurts. I mean-- 625 00:25:30,886 --> 00:25:32,554 Oh, it hurt-- I mean, it does. 626 00:25:32,621 --> 00:25:37,760 It's--I mean, I'm human. You know? 627 00:25:37,826 --> 00:25:42,564 I feel like now we're square one, all over again. 628 00:25:42,631 --> 00:25:44,633 I'd rather someone be honest with me. 629 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:49,338 - ♪ When I had you by my side ♪ 630 00:25:49,405 --> 00:25:52,374 ♪ I fell in love with you ♪ 631 00:25:52,441 --> 00:25:54,676 That's why I don't really date fans, 632 00:25:54,743 --> 00:25:57,479 because they can be crazy. 633 00:25:57,579 --> 00:25:59,815 - Whether it's the sister or really Julia, 634 00:25:59,882 --> 00:26:01,417 it still breaks my heart to think 635 00:26:01,483 --> 00:26:03,385 that you feel like you found a real, 636 00:26:03,452 --> 00:26:04,920 genuine connection with someone, 637 00:26:04,987 --> 00:26:08,590 and they're having those kinds of connections 638 00:26:08,590 --> 00:26:10,225 with other people. - And that sucks. 639 00:26:10,292 --> 00:26:14,797 - ♪ These pictures of you ♪ 640 00:26:14,863 --> 00:26:16,198 Wow. 641 00:26:16,265 --> 00:26:20,602 I feel like bricks has literally fell on my head. 642 00:26:20,636 --> 00:26:23,639 - ♪ These pictures of you ♪ 643 00:26:23,706 --> 00:26:25,340 Can I have a breather? - Yeah. 644 00:26:25,407 --> 00:26:27,076 You want to take a minute? Absolutely. 645 00:26:27,142 --> 00:26:28,877 - All right. Give me a second. 646 00:26:28,944 --> 00:26:35,084 ♪ ♪ 647 00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:36,885 - I feel so bad. 648 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,601 {\an7}[somber music] 649 00:26:41,601 --> 00:26:47,393 {\an7}♪ ♪ 650 00:26:47,393 --> 00:26:49,733 {\an7}- You’re back. 651 00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:52,261 {\an7}- I’m blown away right now. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah . 652 00:26:52,261 --> 00:26:53,931 {\an7}- Well, at this point, it could be Christin. 653 00:26:53,931 --> 00:26:56,261 {\an7}\h\h\h\hBut we just don’t know for sure. 654 00:26:56,261 --> 00:26:59,327 {\an7}\hWhat we do know, though, is that whoever Julia is, 655 00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:00,931 {\an7}she’s having conversations \h\h\h\h\h\h\hon the side 656 00:27:00,931 --> 00:27:04,667 {\an7}with at least this one \hother person, James. 657 00:27:04,667 --> 00:27:06,799 {\an7}- So what can we do? 658 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:07,634 {\an7}- So, do you reach out 659 00:27:07,634 --> 00:27:10,568 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\hto Christin again and say "What’s going on?" 660 00:27:10,568 --> 00:27:13,898 {\an7}\h\h\h- Well, the only thing I haven’t tried is to text Julia. 661 00:27:13,898 --> 00:27:15,766 {\an7}- I mean, I think that that’s 662 00:27:15,766 --> 00:27:18,261 {\an7}probably the only option \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwe have. 663 00:27:18,261 --> 00:27:19,997 {\an7}- All right. Let me try. \h\hSending a text, then. 664 00:27:19,997 --> 00:27:21,898 {\an7}"Hey Julia. This is Nev from the show ’Catfish.’ 665 00:27:21,898 --> 00:27:23,327 {\an7}"We’re trying to get \hin touch with you 666 00:27:23,327 --> 00:27:25,327 {\an7}"so that we can clear up \h\h\h\ha couple things 667 00:27:25,327 --> 00:27:26,766 {\an7}"and explain what’s going on. 668 00:27:26,766 --> 00:27:27,634 {\an7}"We could use your help, 669 00:27:27,634 --> 00:27:28,898 {\an7}and it would be nice \hto speak with you." 670 00:27:28,898 --> 00:27:31,997 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - All right. Send. 671 00:27:31,997 --> 00:27:33,469 {\an7}Delivered. 672 00:27:33,469 --> 00:27:35,535 {\an7}So now we wait. 673 00:27:35,535 --> 00:27:38,601 {\an7}Do you want to maybe try messaging her to see if-- 674 00:27:38,601 --> 00:27:39,469 {\an7}- Yeah. Absolutely. 675 00:27:39,469 --> 00:27:41,667 {\an7}\h\h\h\h- I think you need to put the pressure on her. 676 00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:44,700 {\an7}- Okay. So I’m gonna- \h\h\h\h\h\h"Listen, 677 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:46,733 {\an7}’Catfish’ and I need to talk. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hPlease." 678 00:27:46,733 --> 00:27:49,535 {\an7}\h- Yeah. Send it. Hopefully it’ll push Julia to respond. 679 00:27:49,535 --> 00:27:52,063 {\an7}The weird thing is we’ve got \h\h\hto remember, you know, 680 00:27:52,063 --> 00:27:53,426 {\an7}we keep calling her Julia, 681 00:27:53,426 --> 00:27:54,766 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hbecause obviously that’s what you know her as, 682 00:27:54,766 --> 00:27:57,535 {\an7}but there is a chance that the real Julia, 683 00:27:57,535 --> 00:27:58,667 {\an7}who we know exists, 684 00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:01,360 {\an7}and whoever you’re talking to, \h\h\hare not the same person. 685 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:02,865 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right. - And it could either be 686 00:28:02,865 --> 00:28:05,667 {\an7}that it’s her sister or just \hsomeone entirely different. 687 00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:06,766 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\hSo-- [phone chimes] 688 00:28:06,766 --> 00:28:09,360 {\an7}\hOh. - Oh! 689 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,063 {\an7}- Oh. Okay. 690 00:28:11,063 --> 00:28:12,799 {\an7}So, Julia just wrote back. 691 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,667 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hShe said, "Okay. How can I help?" 692 00:28:15,667 --> 00:28:18,426 {\an7}I think I’m just gonna kind of be direct and honest about it. 693 00:28:18,426 --> 00:28:19,964 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- Absolutely. - "So we had called you 694 00:28:19,964 --> 00:28:21,997 {\an7}"to discuss your friendship \h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith Michael. 695 00:28:21,997 --> 00:28:22,799 {\an7}"His friend contacted us 696 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,327 {\an7}\h"because he was concerned might be getting catfished. 697 00:28:25,327 --> 00:28:26,865 {\an7}\h\h\h"We would love to prove him wrong. 698 00:28:26,865 --> 00:28:28,393 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h"So ideally, if you could Zoom with us 699 00:28:28,393 --> 00:28:30,568 {\an7}"and confirm your identity, that would be super helpful 700 00:28:30,568 --> 00:28:32,063 {\an7}and put us all at ease." \h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right. 701 00:28:32,063 --> 00:28:33,799 {\an7}- All right. Sending. 702 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,327 {\an7}\h\h\hI think the response we get to this is gonna be 703 00:28:36,327 --> 00:28:40,129 {\an7}either incredibly helpful \h\hor vague and evasive. 704 00:28:40,129 --> 00:28:42,700 {\an7}[phone chimes] \h\h\h\h\h- Oh. 705 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:44,733 {\an7}- Where’s that Zoom link? 706 00:28:44,733 --> 00:28:46,393 {\an7}- [gasps] 707 00:28:46,393 --> 00:28:47,799 {\an7}- Okay, so she wants \h\h\hto talk to us. 708 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,997 {\an7}I’m just gonna send this, \h\hand see what happens. 709 00:28:50,997 --> 00:28:52,799 {\an7}♪ ♪ 710 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,865 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\hLet’s find out who this girl really us. 711 00:28:54,865 --> 00:28:57,162 {\an7}\h\h\h- Is it just Julia? Is it gonna be Christin? 712 00:28:57,162 --> 00:28:59,568 {\an7}- Feel like I’m gonna have a heart attack. 713 00:28:59,568 --> 00:29:00,294 {\an7}[intense music] 714 00:29:00,294 --> 00:29:03,096 {\an7}[computer chimes] \h\h\h\h\h\h- Oh. 715 00:29:03,096 --> 00:29:05,535 {\an7}Hi. Hello? 716 00:29:07,733 --> 00:29:10,832 {\an7}- Hi. - Hey. 717 00:29:10,832 --> 00:29:11,931 {\an7}- Hi. 718 00:29:11,931 --> 00:29:15,426 {\an7}- Do you have something \hcovering your camera? 719 00:29:15,426 --> 00:29:16,931 {\an7}- Yeah. 720 00:29:19,129 --> 00:29:24,898 {\an7}\h\h- Okay. Well, is there any chance we could see your face? 721 00:29:24,898 --> 00:29:28,129 {\an7}- I’m just super nervous. 722 00:29:28,129 --> 00:29:29,162 {\an7}- I know this is hard for you, 723 00:29:29,162 --> 00:29:32,568 {\an7}but you and Michael have been \h\htalking now for a while. 724 00:29:32,568 --> 00:29:38,832 {\an7}Here he is. And would love to get to know you better, 725 00:29:38,832 --> 00:29:39,865 {\an7}ideally meeting up in person, 726 00:29:39,865 --> 00:29:42,667 {\an7}but in the absence of that, \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hat least... 727 00:29:42,667 --> 00:29:44,799 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Facial. - Speaking face-to-face, 728 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,733 {\an7}if you will. 729 00:29:46,733 --> 00:29:47,997 {\an7}- I’ve been talking to Michael. 730 00:29:47,997 --> 00:29:55,030 {\an7}\h\h\hI’m just super nervous about what he’ll think of me. 731 00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:56,030 {\an7}- Okay. 732 00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:58,700 {\an7}- I mean, my biggest thing \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\his I’d just 733 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,162 {\an7}like to see who you are \h\h\h\h\h\h\hfor you. 734 00:30:01,162 --> 00:30:04,096 {\an7}\h\hI’m not a very judgmental person. 735 00:30:04,096 --> 00:30:06,832 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hHowever, I do have some concerns 736 00:30:06,832 --> 00:30:07,733 {\an7}why you don’t want to show 737 00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:11,601 {\an7}\h\h\h\hthat beautiful face that I’ve been looking at. 738 00:30:12,997 --> 00:30:15,997 {\an7}- I don’t think that you’re \h\h\h\h\hvery judgmental. 739 00:30:15,997 --> 00:30:17,601 {\an7}I think you’re really sweet. 740 00:30:17,601 --> 00:30:20,733 {\an7}\hAnd I’m hoping that, after what I tell you, 741 00:30:20,733 --> 00:30:23,535 {\an7}that you’ll still be \h\haccepting of me. 742 00:30:23,535 --> 00:30:26,129 {\an7}- I look at somebody \h\hfrom the inside, 743 00:30:26,129 --> 00:30:27,964 {\an7}not the outside. 744 00:30:27,964 --> 00:30:29,766 {\an7}- I’m just really nervous. 745 00:30:29,766 --> 00:30:30,568 {\an7}- What will it take? 746 00:30:30,568 --> 00:30:32,931 {\an7}What do we have to do right now \h\h\hto kind of re-assure you 747 00:30:32,931 --> 00:30:36,733 {\an7}that it’s okay to show Michael \h\h\h\h\h\hwho you really are? 748 00:30:36,733 --> 00:30:39,261 {\an7}♪ ♪ 749 00:30:39,261 --> 00:30:43,129 {\an7}- All I’m asked right now \h\h\his just the truth. 750 00:30:43,865 --> 00:30:44,733 {\an7}- Um-- 751 00:30:44,733 --> 00:30:48,700 {\an7}♪ ♪ 752 00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:50,601 {\an7}I mean, I think I’m ready. 753 00:30:50,601 --> 00:30:51,634 {\an7}- Okay. 754 00:30:51,634 --> 00:30:57,700 {\an7}♪ ♪ 755 00:30:59,976 --> 00:31:02,778 {\an7}[tense music] 756 00:31:02,778 --> 00:31:05,471 {\an7}♪ ♪ 757 00:31:05,471 --> 00:31:07,042 {\an7}- Hey. - Hey. 758 00:31:07,042 --> 00:31:10,504 {\an7}- You’re who you are. \h\h\h\h- I told you. 759 00:31:10,504 --> 00:31:13,438 {\an7}- Girl. What is going on? 760 00:31:13,438 --> 00:31:18,943 {\an7}- Um--I just had some things \h\hhappen to me in the past. 761 00:31:19,141 --> 00:31:21,646 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\hThere’s things that I haven’t really told you yet. 762 00:31:21,646 --> 00:31:26,745 {\an7}That’s why I’ve been hesitant, talking on the phone or video. 763 00:31:26,745 --> 00:31:29,943 {\an7}It took me a really long time \h\h\h\h\h\hto open up about. 764 00:31:29,943 --> 00:31:33,042 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\hAnd I know that we’ve-we’ve talked a lot 765 00:31:33,042 --> 00:31:37,042 {\an7}about our relationship with God \h\h\h\h\h\hand with religion. 766 00:31:37,042 --> 00:31:43,504 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\hAnd I just--you know, I didn’t want you to judge me. 767 00:31:44,075 --> 00:31:47,646 {\an7}The past few years, I-- 768 00:31:48,646 --> 00:31:53,712 {\an7}I started dating women \h\h\h\h\h\h\has well. 769 00:31:53,712 --> 00:31:55,603 {\an7}\h\h\h\hI just wanted you to be able to accept me, 770 00:31:55,603 --> 00:32:01,240 {\an7}\h\h\h\hand I was just scared to be vulnerable and open up. 771 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,679 {\an7}♪ ♪ 772 00:32:02,679 --> 00:32:04,844 {\an7}Much and I haven’t even \h\h\h\hreally met yet. 773 00:32:04,844 --> 00:32:08,009 {\an7}And I just--I don’t want \h\h\hto disappoint him. 774 00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:13,976 {\an7}And I guess that’s a big reason \h\h\h\hwhy I was so hesitant. 775 00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:15,877 {\an7}- Sorry. Just to be clear, 776 00:32:15,877 --> 00:32:20,570 {\an7}\h\hare you currently seeing someone other than Michael? 777 00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:24,910 {\an7}- No. I haven’t dated anyone \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfor a while. 778 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:28,504 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- Well, Michael, how do you feel about that? 779 00:32:29,174 --> 00:32:32,976 {\an7}- I would have respected that \h\h\h\h\hfrom the beginning. 780 00:32:32,976 --> 00:32:35,943 {\an7}I have dated girls that was bisexual. 781 00:32:35,943 --> 00:32:41,009 {\an7}\h\h\h\hIf she was saying, "Okay, I’m just with you," 782 00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:43,207 {\an7}I wouldn’t have judged that. 783 00:32:43,207 --> 00:32:45,712 {\an7}But I also know you’ve got \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto be loyal 784 00:32:45,712 --> 00:32:48,174 {\an7}and you’ve got to see faithful \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto each other. 785 00:32:48,174 --> 00:32:50,910 {\an7}And my question is, 786 00:32:50,910 --> 00:32:55,712 {\an7}have you had conversations \hwith other reality stars 787 00:32:55,712 --> 00:32:59,943 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand it went, like, to a different level? 788 00:32:59,943 --> 00:33:03,075 {\an7}- Well, I’ve had a, like, \h\h\h\hfew conversations 789 00:33:03,075 --> 00:33:05,042 {\an7}with different reality stars. 790 00:33:05,042 --> 00:33:07,646 {\an7}Like, James from "Big Brother." 791 00:33:07,646 --> 00:33:09,646 {\an7}But it never really went \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hanywhere. 792 00:33:09,646 --> 00:33:15,207 {\an7}- Julia, we spoke to James, \hand he basically told us 793 00:33:15,207 --> 00:33:16,570 {\an7}that you guys had had 794 00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:20,009 {\an7}\h\h\ha relationship of sorts over years, 795 00:33:20,009 --> 00:33:23,844 {\an7}and that you were speaking up until a couple of weeks ago, 796 00:33:23,844 --> 00:33:27,174 {\an7}and that you sent him, like, explicit photos. 797 00:33:27,174 --> 00:33:28,976 {\an7}So I think that’s something 798 00:33:28,976 --> 00:33:32,570 {\an7}that Michael might want some clarification on. 799 00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:34,943 {\an7}- James and I--like, in the past, I mean, 800 00:33:34,943 --> 00:33:39,075 {\an7}we did share sexy photos \h\h\h\h\h\hor whatever. 801 00:33:39,075 --> 00:33:39,877 {\an7}A few years ago. 802 00:33:39,877 --> 00:33:42,976 {\an7}\hBut, like, whenever we talk now, it’s just like, 803 00:33:42,976 --> 00:33:44,273 {\an7}"Hey. How are you doing?" 804 00:33:44,273 --> 00:33:46,207 {\an7}It wasn’t a serious thing. 805 00:33:46,207 --> 00:33:48,844 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\hLike, with James, or, like, with anyone else, 806 00:33:48,844 --> 00:33:51,679 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hit’s just, like, casual flirtations, I guess. 807 00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,141 {\an7}- I think the concern \h\h\h\hfrom us was, 808 00:33:54,141 --> 00:34:00,844 {\an7}are you just some reality \h\h\hcompetition groupie 809 00:34:00,844 --> 00:34:02,075 {\an7}who gets sort of a kick out 810 00:34:02,075 --> 00:34:05,679 {\an7}of potentially messing \h\h\hwith these guys? 811 00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:07,339 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- No. - Then what draws you, 812 00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:11,646 {\an7}do you think, to these guys \hfrom these reality shows? 813 00:34:11,646 --> 00:34:16,679 {\an7}\h\h\h- Okay, so I added, like, a bunch of people on reality TV 814 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,679 {\an7}\h\h\h\hjust because I love "Big Brother." 815 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,976 {\an7}\h\h\hAnd, like, Michael and I, when we first started talking, 816 00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:21,976 {\an7}it was about "Big Brother." 817 00:34:21,976 --> 00:34:24,679 {\an7}\h\h\hLike, I was just gonna casually, like, talk to him. 818 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,273 {\an7}And then we started talking \h\h\h\h\h\hmore and more. 819 00:34:26,273 --> 00:34:30,174 {\an7}\h\hWith Michael, it’s like we’re having conversations, 820 00:34:30,174 --> 00:34:30,976 {\an7}like, every day. 821 00:34:30,976 --> 00:34:35,405 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\hI’m not having these conversations with anyone else. 822 00:34:35,405 --> 00:34:36,976 {\an7}\h- Can I just clear up a couple things, then? 823 00:34:36,976 --> 00:34:39,207 {\an7}Because I’ll be the first \h\hto officially say it. 824 00:34:39,207 --> 00:34:41,405 {\an7}We are so relieved \hthat you are you. 825 00:34:41,405 --> 00:34:43,712 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Amen. - Because obviously, you know, 826 00:34:43,712 --> 00:34:46,844 {\an7}you had only talked mainly through Facebook and text. 827 00:34:46,844 --> 00:34:49,009 {\an7}You have two different \h\h\h\hFacebook pages, 828 00:34:49,009 --> 00:34:50,943 {\an7}which was kind of confusing. 829 00:34:50,943 --> 00:34:52,877 {\an7}- I got locked out of that one. 830 00:34:52,877 --> 00:34:54,108 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay. - But I had, like, 831 00:34:54,108 --> 00:34:55,405 {\an7}already made another one. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay. 832 00:34:55,405 --> 00:34:57,844 {\an7}And so everything we know about you is true, then. 833 00:34:57,844 --> 00:34:59,877 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hYou’re 28. You played basketball. 834 00:34:59,877 --> 00:35:02,042 {\an7}You live in South Carolina. \h\h\h\h\h\h\hAll of that. 835 00:35:02,042 --> 00:35:03,273 {\an7}- Yeah. Everything is true. 836 00:35:03,273 --> 00:35:06,339 {\an7}- So all the sort of hesitation \h\h\h\habout showing yourself 837 00:35:06,339 --> 00:35:09,438 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hwasn’t because of any physical insecurity. 838 00:35:09,438 --> 00:35:12,075 {\an7}It was just about the sort \h\h\h\h\h\ha vulnerability 839 00:35:12,075 --> 00:35:15,009 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hthat comes with showing yourself. 840 00:35:15,009 --> 00:35:16,438 {\an7}- Yes. 841 00:35:16,438 --> 00:35:19,844 {\an7}\h\h\h\h- Julia, yesterday, when we talked to Christin, 842 00:35:19,844 --> 00:35:21,438 {\an7}we asked her about Michael, 843 00:35:21,438 --> 00:35:24,372 {\an7}and she didn’t seem \hto know who he is. 844 00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:26,877 {\an7}Does your family know \h\h\h\h\habout him? 845 00:35:26,877 --> 00:35:29,141 {\an7}- My whole family knows. Yes. 846 00:35:29,141 --> 00:35:30,943 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- So all the stuff with the family not knowing, 847 00:35:30,943 --> 00:35:35,306 {\an7}\hnot watching reality TV, all that stuff, was her covering? 848 00:35:35,306 --> 00:35:37,108 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- I don’t know. She was covering for me, 849 00:35:37,108 --> 00:35:38,943 {\an7}so she said whatever. 850 00:35:38,943 --> 00:35:42,339 {\an7}- So the only thing that \hwere afraid to tell me 851 00:35:42,339 --> 00:35:44,306 {\an7}is that you’re bisexual. 852 00:35:44,306 --> 00:35:47,976 {\an7}- Well, no. Um-- 853 00:35:47,976 --> 00:35:51,712 {\an7}[somber music] 854 00:35:51,712 --> 00:35:54,240 {\an7}A few years ago... 855 00:35:54,240 --> 00:36:00,042 {\an7}\h\hI had been out and I was drinking. 856 00:36:01,372 --> 00:36:05,976 {\an7}And I trusted someone \h\h\hto take me home, 857 00:36:05,976 --> 00:36:09,141 {\an7}and they didn’t-they didn’t \h\h\h\h\h\h\htake me home. 858 00:36:09,141 --> 00:36:13,009 {\an7}And... 859 00:36:13,009 --> 00:36:16,438 {\an7}I was assaulted. 860 00:36:17,141 --> 00:36:22,042 {\an7}\hAnd it’s just made me super vulnerable, like, 861 00:36:22,042 --> 00:36:24,976 {\an7}especially with men. 862 00:36:24,976 --> 00:36:26,009 {\an7}So it’s just, like, 863 00:36:26,009 --> 00:36:29,108 {\an7}\h\hI take things, like, super slowly. 864 00:36:29,108 --> 00:36:31,108 {\an7}\h\h\h\h- I’m really sorry that that happened to you. 865 00:36:31,108 --> 00:36:33,976 {\an7}Obviously, your experience \h\h\hand when you share it 866 00:36:33,976 --> 00:36:36,207 {\an7}and how long it takes you \h\h\h\h\h\h\hto share it 867 00:36:36,207 --> 00:36:37,009 {\an7}is completely up to you, 868 00:36:37,009 --> 00:36:39,943 {\an7}because it’s your life \h\hand it’s your body. 869 00:36:39,943 --> 00:36:42,943 {\an7}- That’s how I feel. Thank you. 870 00:36:43,141 --> 00:36:45,141 {\an7}- I do wanna ask you, though, 871 00:36:45,141 --> 00:36:49,174 {\an7}do you even see yourself \h\h\hcurrently mentally 872 00:36:49,174 --> 00:36:54,910 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand emotionally and spiritually dating again? 873 00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:58,273 {\an7}And are your feelings for Michael romantic 874 00:36:58,273 --> 00:37:01,844 {\an7}or are they friendship-based? 875 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:07,451 {\an7}- I do wanna ask you, 876 00:37:07,451 --> 00:37:11,045 {\an7}are your feelings for Michael \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hromantic 877 00:37:11,045 --> 00:37:14,177 {\an7}or are they friendship-based? 878 00:37:14,177 --> 00:37:16,220 {\an7}[tense music] 879 00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:18,814 {\an7}- Well, I really like Michael. 880 00:37:18,814 --> 00:37:20,319 {\an7}I think he’s really sweet. 881 00:37:20,319 --> 00:37:22,012 {\an7}And we text every day. 882 00:37:22,012 --> 00:37:24,715 {\an7}\h\h\h\hWe connect on, like, different levels, 883 00:37:24,715 --> 00:37:27,715 {\an7}\h\hand we’re, like, into the same things. 884 00:37:27,715 --> 00:37:28,781 {\an7}I was hoping that we’d be able 885 00:37:28,781 --> 00:37:31,144 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto meet and see where things went. 886 00:37:31,144 --> 00:37:34,913 {\an7}- So you are interested in him \h\h\h\h\h\hin a romantic way. 887 00:37:34,913 --> 00:37:36,385 {\an7}- Yeah. 888 00:37:36,385 --> 00:37:37,484 {\an7}Like, I want to meet him. 889 00:37:37,484 --> 00:37:40,451 {\an7}\h\h\h- So all of that is real. That’s what’s blowing my mind, 890 00:37:40,451 --> 00:37:44,111 {\an7}is that, like, you’re real, \h\h\h\hyour story is real, 891 00:37:44,111 --> 00:37:46,045 {\an7}the way you feel about \h\h\hMichael is real. 892 00:37:46,045 --> 00:37:47,748 {\an7}- Like, I’ve had people, like, \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hquestion 893 00:37:47,748 --> 00:37:48,847 {\an7}if I was catfishing them \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbefore, 894 00:37:48,847 --> 00:37:51,177 {\an7}\hbecause I’m just, like, so hesitant about, like, 895 00:37:51,177 --> 00:37:53,253 {\an7}talking on the phone and, like, videoing. 896 00:37:53,253 --> 00:37:55,012 {\an7}I’m just, like, weird about it. 897 00:37:55,012 --> 00:37:58,319 {\an7}- Well, I’m weird too. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I know. 898 00:37:58,319 --> 00:38:01,144 {\an7}That’s why we’re perfect \h\h\h\h\hfor each other. 899 00:38:01,144 --> 00:38:02,748 {\an7}- Is this really happening? \h\h\h\h\hAre we dreaming? 900 00:38:02,748 --> 00:38:05,418 {\an7}Pinch me. I don’t understand. \h\h\hAm I missing something? 901 00:38:05,418 --> 00:38:08,484 {\an7}- How do you feel, Michael? 902 00:38:08,484 --> 00:38:11,385 {\an7}- You know--[sighs] 903 00:38:11,385 --> 00:38:13,814 {\an7}There’s some questions. 904 00:38:13,814 --> 00:38:15,385 {\an7}But I’m not judging you. 905 00:38:15,385 --> 00:38:17,517 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I don’t know. I just--I don’t want you to, 906 00:38:17,517 --> 00:38:21,177 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlike, feel, like, I was, like, hiding-- 907 00:38:21,177 --> 00:38:24,913 {\an7}I just--it just takes me \h\ha while to get there. 908 00:38:24,913 --> 00:38:28,253 {\an7}Like, I go at my own, \hslow pace, I guess. 909 00:38:28,253 --> 00:38:29,880 {\an7}I didn’t know how to deal with it, 910 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,946 {\an7}and all this happened, \h\h\h\hand I was like, 911 00:38:31,946 --> 00:38:35,814 {\an7}\h\h\h\h"Okay, like, I need to tell you." 912 00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:38,484 {\an7}- Well, here we are. 913 00:38:38,484 --> 00:38:40,385 {\an7}\hand we’re gonna get through this. 914 00:38:40,385 --> 00:38:44,946 {\an7}\h\h- You know, even for Julia, I think she’s still coping with 915 00:38:44,946 --> 00:38:48,946 {\an7}\h\hand dealing with a lot of what she’s been through. 916 00:38:48,946 --> 00:38:52,385 {\an7}And no one can say how long \h\h\h\hit’s going to take. 917 00:38:52,385 --> 00:38:56,286 {\an7}\hAnd you’re never gonna get over it, you know, magically. 918 00:38:56,286 --> 00:39:01,253 {\an7}But I think that it’s really \hbrave that you came on here 919 00:39:01,253 --> 00:39:03,451 {\an7}and talked about it. 920 00:39:04,484 --> 00:39:10,012 {\an7}- So, I would love to meet you, \h\h\h\h\h\hactually in person. 921 00:39:10,946 --> 00:39:14,144 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hI do like to take things slowly. 922 00:39:14,144 --> 00:39:15,979 {\an7}- And I know that. \h\h\h\h- Yeah. So. 923 00:39:15,979 --> 00:39:22,385 {\an7}We can try meeting up, going on a few dates, see where it goes. 924 00:39:22,385 --> 00:39:23,616 {\an7}If you want. 925 00:39:23,616 --> 00:39:25,847 {\an7}- Oh, he wants. 926 00:39:25,847 --> 00:39:27,913 {\an7}[laughter] 927 00:39:27,913 --> 00:39:29,220 {\an7}- Do you want, Michael? 928 00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:31,220 {\an7}\h- Do you want to? - Well, of course. 929 00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:34,583 {\an7}I mean, I want to take her \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hon a date. 930 00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:35,913 {\an7}She is beautiful. 931 00:39:35,913 --> 00:39:38,012 {\an7}I mean, she is a knock-out. 932 00:39:38,012 --> 00:39:40,979 {\an7}I’m falling for a girl \hthrough text message, 933 00:39:40,979 --> 00:39:45,045 {\an7}so I can only imagine \h\h\h\hin real life. 934 00:39:45,045 --> 00:39:47,286 {\an7}- Well, look, guys, \h\h\h\hI gotta say, 935 00:39:47,286 --> 00:39:51,144 {\an7}I did not expect it \hto end this way, 936 00:39:51,144 --> 00:39:52,946 {\an7}but I am so happy that it did. 937 00:39:52,946 --> 00:39:56,012 {\an7}You’ve both been through \h\h\h\hdifficult things. 938 00:39:56,012 --> 00:39:57,517 {\an7}but you found each other. 939 00:39:57,517 --> 00:39:58,946 {\an7}So I think this could be 940 00:39:58,946 --> 00:40:01,352 {\an7}\h\h\h\ha really great beginning of something. 941 00:40:01,352 --> 00:40:04,253 {\an7}\h\hBut mainly, I just want to let you guys start doing 942 00:40:04,253 --> 00:40:05,451 {\an7}\h\hwhatever it is you guys want to do 943 00:40:05,451 --> 00:40:07,682 {\an7}and not have us around \h\h\h\hbothering you. 944 00:40:07,682 --> 00:40:09,418 {\an7}♪ ♪ 945 00:40:09,418 --> 00:40:12,517 {\an7}So hopefully you guys \h\hcan meet up soon. 946 00:40:12,517 --> 00:40:14,253 {\an7}- I wanna see her next week. 947 00:40:14,253 --> 00:40:16,319 {\an7}\h\h- You’re ready to drive out there. 948 00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:17,517 {\an7}- Absolutely. 949 00:40:17,517 --> 00:40:19,045 {\an7}- We’re excited to see \h\h\h\h\hwhat happens, 950 00:40:19,045 --> 00:40:22,319 {\an7}\h\hand fingers crossed, you know, things go well. 951 00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:26,111 {\an7}- Thank you. - Thank you. 952 00:40:26,111 --> 00:40:29,583 {\an7}\h\h- Well, good luck. - Bye. Yeah, good luck. 953 00:40:29,583 --> 00:40:31,979 {\an7}- ♪ This is the good life ♪ 954 00:40:31,979 --> 00:40:34,385 {\an7}♪ Oh, oh, oh, \hoh, oh, oh ♪ 955 00:40:34,385 --> 00:40:36,319 {\an7}♪ This is the good life ♪ 956 00:40:36,319 --> 00:40:40,286 {\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h♪ Oh, oh, oh whoa, whoa, whoa, oh, oh ♪ 957 00:40:40,286 --> 00:40:42,649 {\an7}♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh, \h\h\h\h\h\hoh, oh ♪ 958 00:40:42,649 --> 00:40:45,616 {\an7}♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 959 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,221 - Jason's been talking to Mark. 960 00:41:02,288 --> 00:41:03,989 - He makes me feel like-- like I'm wanted. 961 00:41:04,056 --> 00:41:06,625 - But you've been sending money to this person. 962 00:41:06,692 --> 00:41:08,427 - Do you see these red flags? 963 00:41:10,396 --> 00:41:11,897 [phone line beeps] 964 00:41:11,964 --> 00:41:14,099 [gasps] It was a girl. 965 00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:15,468 - Deep breath, Jason. Deep breath. 966 00:41:15,534 --> 00:41:16,469 - I'm so nervous. 967 00:41:16,535 --> 00:41:17,503 [doorbell rings] 968 00:41:17,570 --> 00:41:19,238 - Get the [bleep] outta here.