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- Ten years ago,
Paul met Caitea.
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They planned
to move in together.
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But on the day of the move,
she stood him up.
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- I fell for her. I really did.
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Ten years later,
I still think about it.
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He's not over her.
- Whoa. "Caitea is a catfish."
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- I mean, this is--
it's honestly embarrassing.
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- Caitea just texted me,
"What's the Zoom link?"
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- Oh, [bleep].
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- I'm literally shaking.
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[computer chimes]
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[dramatic musical sting]
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[upbeat music]
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- It's time to get to work.
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[laughs]
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Bejeweled mask. Wow.
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- Listen.
The cases of COVID are surging.
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And if I'm gonna have to be
in this [bleep],
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I'm gonna make it glam.
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- But you know that is not
a mask alternative.
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That is a supplement
to wearing a mask.
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- Yes, CDC Nev.
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I didn't realize
you were Dr. Fauci.
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- All right, let's see.
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We got an email here
from Samantha.
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"I never thought
I'd be writing to you.
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"But you guys sometimes
have people reach out
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"on behalf of someone else,
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and that's what I'm doing
for my fiancé, Paul."
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- ♪ Something's happening
here ♪
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- "We've been together
for eight years
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"and have three
beautiful children.
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"But recently I heard him
bring up a girl from his past:
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"his first love, Caitea.
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"They met on Xbox,
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and they were together
for two years."
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- ♪ Something is happening
here ♪
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- "They planned to move
in together.
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"But on the day of the move,
she stood him up.
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That was that,
and he moved on with his life."
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♪ ♪
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"But recently I found out
that Paul has searched
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"for her online
and messaged her.
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"Apparently, she said
they had never talked before.
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- ♪ I've never felt so certain
never felt so clear ♪
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- "This threw Paul for a loop.
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"He can't let it go.
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"And honestly,
I'm tired of hearing about it.
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"I think that if he realizes
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"once and for all
that he was catfished,
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"he can deal with it
and move on.
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"I'm hoping you guys
can help open his eyes
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"and get this girl
out of his thoughts
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"and out of our lives forever.
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Thanks. Sam."
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- ♪ Something is happening
here ♪
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- Samantha sounds like she is
very confident in her man.
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But you got to watch
your confidence
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when you're trying to hook
your fiancé up
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with potentially, like,
the love of his life. What?
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- Right.
Let's reach out to Samantha
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and get a little bit more info.
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As someone who was catfished,
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had I never gone and found out
who I was talking to,
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I would definitely always
still be wondering.
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I get why he's still curious.
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Getting an answer to that
might be a very satisfying
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and chapter-closing resolution.
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[computer chimes]
Oh.
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- Hey, Samantha.
- Hey.
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- How are you?
- Good. How are you?
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- Great.
- Good.
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- Where do you live?
- We live in Holly, Michigan.
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- Together eight years.
Three kids. not married yet?
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- What is going on?
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- So I had, like,
this weird marriage.
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- Oh, so you're the one
who's been sort of avoiding it.
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- Yeah.
- Oh, wow.
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'Cause I was about to [bleep]
all over Paul
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for not marrying you already,
but now, okay.
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- So what's up with Caitea?
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- Okay, so a few weeks ago,
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we were all, you know,
sitting on the couch.
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And he's scrolling
through his Instagram.
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And this lovely female
pops up.
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I'm like, "Uh-uh."
- Wait.
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So, this is--we're talking
about the same girl, Caitea?
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- Yes. Like, why is she popping
up on your news feeds?
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Obviously,
you guys are friends.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- So he actually told me
he had messaged her,
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and she acted like
she had no idea who Paul was.
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- Hmm.
- Something somewhere is wrong.
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- And so why wasn't that
just the end of it?
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- Because I just want to move
on with our lives.
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She was Paul's first love.
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If she is real,
then she's real.
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If she's not, then she's not.
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You need to put all this
in the past.
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But if she is
who she says she is,
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would Paul regret
not keeping in touch with her?
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I don't know.
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- But be honest, Samantha.
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Like, do you want for Caitea
to be a catfish?
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- Yeah. I--I really do.
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- But what if this girl Caitea
is real?
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We could potentially
be connecting them.
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- I guess it's a chance
that I'm willing to take.
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- So, what's up with Paul?
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Does he know that you
reached out to us?
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- He knows his girlfriend's
a straight up savage.
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And he knows when I want
answers I will stop
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at nothing to get my answers.
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I told him
I had contacted you guys.
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He's actually in our bedroom.
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- Well, get him out here.
- All right.
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Hold on, guys.
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Babe.
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- Ooh.
- [laughs]
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- Oh, my God.
- [laughs]
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- Okay. [bleep].
- [laughs]
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Hi.
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- Hey.
- Hi, Paul.
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- How you doing?
- Good.
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- Good. You know we are, right?
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- Yeah, I've seen you before.
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- Okay, cool.
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First of all,
it's always a little awkward
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talking about exes
with your current,
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you know, girlfriend,
boyfriend, wife, whatever.
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How is this affecting you guys?
Or is it affecting you guys?
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- No. Not at all.
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- She seems to think, I guess,
it is a little bit.
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- Samantha's face
says differently.
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[laughs]
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- She's not too happy with it.
That's for sure.
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- I don't know if you maybe
want to tell Samantha
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how you feel about her.
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- She pretty much already knows
how I feel about her.
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- I know he loves me,
and I know he cares about me,
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and I know
he wants to be with me.
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So...
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- [laughs]
- [laughs]
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- Is that all true?
- Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah, I love her.
Of course I do.
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I've been with her
for eight years.
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- [laughs]
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- Obviously,
we do need to hear more
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about this whole story
and kind of how it all started.
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- Okay. So I'm going
to let him take over.
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Thanks, guys.
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- Thanks, Samantha.
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- Love you, babe.
- Love you.
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- We love her.
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We love Samantha.
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- She's a fun time;
that's for sure.
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[laughter]
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- So what's the deal
with this girl Caitea?
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And so how old were you?
You were--
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- 16 when we first met.
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- Were you living in Michigan
at the time?
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- Yeah.
I was living in Michigan.
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- Where did Caitea live?
- She lived in Tampa, Florida.
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- Okay. So you're on Xbox,
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and you see that there's
this girl named Caitea.
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- Yeah.
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- How did that progress
from there?
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- Then we exchanged
phone numbers,
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and we were always
on the phone together.
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I mean, we just started
talking every day.
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I mean, it was nonstop.
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I mean, l we had a phone call
for 32 hours at one point.
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I mean, 32 hours.
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- What?
- What?
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- I mean, it was days.
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- What made you keep talking
to her for 32 hours
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at any given time?
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- She was sweet. She's nice.
She had a good sense of humor.
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You know what I mean?
We clicked, man, instantly.
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I fell for her. I really did.
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- And--
and were you guys in love?
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Did you say that you loved her?
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- I did. Oh, I loved her.
I loved her.
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I was with her constantly
on the phone.
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It was a difficult time too.
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I got made fun of a lot.
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So I just quit school
and started working.
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- Okay, so you guys
are talking.
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Are you sending
each other pictures?
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- I mean, she sent me pictures
every day.
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I mean, she even sent me
packages in the mail.
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She was sending me Xboxes
and iPods and video games
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before
they even hit the shelves.
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- What?
- What do you know about her?
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Like, does she come
from a lot of money?
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- She told me her parents
had died in a car wreck.
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She said she had
life insurance money.
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And she said she had modeled
and [bleep] like that.
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- But if she has
all these tech gadgets,
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she doesn't have a video camera
for her computer?
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- We always argued about it,
'cause I would always be,
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like, download Skype.
It was always an excuse.
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She was busy or her software
couldn't handle it.
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I mean, I was young.
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I was like,
"Okay. I understand."
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I mean, it was a really
long time in my life
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that I had put up
towards this girl.
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I mean, two years--I mean,
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I didn't do nothing
for two years.
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- And so what happened?
Samantha told us
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that you guys had planned
on moving in together?
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Was she gonna move to Michigan,
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or were you supposed
to move to Florida?
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- I was gonna go down there
and stay for a little bit
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and see how it worked out.
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And if it worked out,
I was gonna stay.
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She never came.
She wouldn't answer her phone.
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I was absolutely pissed.
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- Did she just stop contacting
you after she stood you up?
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- I mean, we stopped
contacting each other.
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And she hit me up
probably, like, a year after.
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She was trying to talk to me
and stuff like that.
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At that point,
I was just like, "I'm busy."
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- Wow. Okay, so she reached
back out to you
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well after you guys
had sort of broken up.
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- Yes.
- And was that the last time
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you had communication with her?
- Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah.
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- Until kind of recently,
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when you went back
and looked at her--
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- Oh, yeah.
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I went and looked for her
about six months ago.
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And I ended up finding
an Instagram page.
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I was like, "Hey.
How you doing? What's up?"
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And she was like,
"I don't know you."
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And I'm like, "What do
you mean you don't know me?"
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- But do you think it's just
because she feels slighted,
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because the last time
you talked, you were like,
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"I gotta go. Bye"?
- Probably. Probably.
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- So, she could be
just being petty.
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- That's pretty much what
I think it is,
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is her just being petty.
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- So wait, so you follow
her on Instagram.
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- Oh, I don't anymore,
'cause I can't find it.
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I looked for her
the other day,
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and I couldn't find her.
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- But wait a second; let me
just make one thing clear.
247
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Is it possible that someone
who knew Caitea
248
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just basically made
a fake profile, met some guy,
249
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and sort of started this
flirtation, and when he said,
250
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"Hey, send me a picture,"
she was just like,
251
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"I'll just send a picture
of my friend Caitea."
252
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- I mean, there was honestly
too many pictures.
253
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I mean, there were provocative
pictures she had sent me.
254
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- Full nude?
- Yeah.
255
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- What?
256
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- With her face in it?
257
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- With her face
and her whole body.
258
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I mean, whole body.
259
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- And they didn't have
OnlyFans back then.
260
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- Yeah.
261
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Like, I mean, I don't see
how it really couldn't be her.
262
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I mean, it has to be.
263
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- What photos do you have?
- I have one. Yeah, I have one.
264
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- Can we see the pictures?
265
00:10:05,739 --> 00:10:08,473
- That be her. That's her now.
266
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- That's a more recent photo
267
00:10:10,010 --> 00:10:11,743
that you took off of, like,
her Instagram?
268
00:10:11,812 --> 00:10:13,979
- Yep.
- Interesting. Okay.
269
00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:18,750
- And that was her back then.
- Oh, the Myspace angle.
270
00:10:18,819 --> 00:10:21,019
- Yeah.
- [exhales]
271
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I mean, it sucks that, like,
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your first experience
with love was, like, so great
273
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but also had
such a [bleep] ending.
274
00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:31,563
- Ten years later, I mean,
there will be a day--
275
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you know, a random day
where I just think about her.
276
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- But you don't tell Sam.
277
00:10:35,035 --> 00:10:36,434
- She knows I do think
about her.
278
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And I think that makes her mad,
and I think that causes
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a blockage in our relationship.
I honestly do.
280
00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:45,043
- And you obviously know that
Samantha has her own feelings
281
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and hesitations with marriage.
282
00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:50,815
- Yeah. I can understand
her feelings any day.
283
00:10:50,884 --> 00:10:54,619
- This could be a really
big thing for her.
284
00:10:54,688 --> 00:10:56,021
- Right.
285
00:10:56,089 --> 00:10:58,957
- We need to put this whole
Caitea situation
286
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in the rearview mirror
for good.
287
00:11:00,961 --> 00:11:02,827
- Yeah. Definitely.
It's been ten years.
288
00:11:02,896 --> 00:11:04,929
I mean, it needs to come.
It does.
289
00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:07,198
- All right,
so send us that info.
290
00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:09,267
We're gonna do some research,
and as soon as we find
291
00:11:09,336 --> 00:11:11,069
something,
we will let you know.
292
00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:12,704
- All right. I got you.
- We'll talk in a little bit.
293
00:11:12,773 --> 00:11:14,806
- All right.
- Bye.
294
00:11:14,875 --> 00:11:16,841
Mm-hmm-hmm-hmm.
295
00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:18,309
He's not over Caitea.
296
00:11:18,378 --> 00:11:20,045
He's not over her.
297
00:11:20,113 --> 00:11:24,315
This is clearly the issue
that is keeping Paul and Sam
298
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from being able to, like,
299
00:11:25,852 --> 00:11:29,721
take that next step and move
their asses down the aisle.
300
00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:31,656
- Feels like there
are two issues here.
301
00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:34,359
One is whether
or not Caitea is real.
302
00:11:34,428 --> 00:11:37,228
But more importantly,
it feels like the future
303
00:11:37,297 --> 00:11:40,999
for Sam and Paul
is teetering on this issue.
304
00:11:41,068 --> 00:11:44,269
- How are they gonna be able
to move forward together
305
00:11:44,337 --> 00:11:47,005
if we don't find
some kind of answer?
306
00:11:50,977 --> 00:11:52,110
- Ready to investigate.
307
00:11:52,179 --> 00:11:53,678
[computer chimes]
There she is.
308
00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:55,914
- I'm here. Present.
309
00:11:55,982 --> 00:12:00,151
- All right, here we go.
We got a real situation here.
310
00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:03,521
Ten years ago,
Paul met Caitea.
311
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It was Paul's first love.
312
00:12:05,292 --> 00:12:07,292
He was totally head over heels
for this girl.
313
00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,061
Then she broke his heart
and stood him up.
314
00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:13,164
Paul finally got over it,
met Samantha.
315
00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:15,700
He hasn't forgotten
about this girl.
316
00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:17,202
- I don't want to be messy.
317
00:12:17,270 --> 00:12:20,205
But I asked Paul to tell us
how he felt about Sam,
318
00:12:20,273 --> 00:12:22,073
and he was like, "She knows
how I feel about her."
319
00:12:22,142 --> 00:12:24,642
But when we asked
how he felt about Caitea,
320
00:12:24,711 --> 00:12:26,211
he couldn't keep
his mouth shut.
321
00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:28,680
- I know. This is, like,
the moment for Paul
322
00:12:28,749 --> 00:12:31,816
to finally leave
his adolescence
323
00:12:31,885 --> 00:12:34,252
and, like, become a man.
324
00:12:34,321 --> 00:12:37,355
So let's do this here.
He sent us the info.
325
00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:40,358
Okay, so her full name
is Caitea [bleep].
326
00:12:40,427 --> 00:12:45,563
- No one is named that.
No one is named Caitea.
327
00:12:45,632 --> 00:12:47,132
No one. That's not a name.
328
00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,466
- Right.
Anyway, she lives in Florida.
329
00:12:48,535 --> 00:12:50,602
And then here
are the two pictures.
330
00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:51,936
So here she is.
331
00:12:52,005 --> 00:12:53,505
And then here's
this one more recent.
332
00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:55,807
Yeah, definitely the same girl.
Let's run the pictures.
333
00:12:55,876 --> 00:12:57,809
Let's--let's--let's do
a little image search.
334
00:12:57,878 --> 00:13:01,146
Here we go.
335
00:13:03,316 --> 00:13:05,817
All right, so that picture does
not come back with anything.
336
00:13:05,886 --> 00:13:09,120
And this one--oh, we got a hit.
337
00:13:09,189 --> 00:13:11,589
It links to this Facebook page.
338
00:13:11,658 --> 00:13:13,158
Whoa. Whoa.
339
00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:15,160
- Wedding photo.
340
00:13:15,228 --> 00:13:18,196
Oh, my God.
- That's her.
341
00:13:18,265 --> 00:13:20,131
Katy [bleep],
same last name.
342
00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,634
It's spelled K-A-T-Y,
which makes more sense.
343
00:13:22,702 --> 00:13:23,768
Here's her profile pic
344
00:13:23,837 --> 00:13:26,070
from October 25th,
so not long ago.
345
00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:28,039
I mean,
a bunch of people commenting,
346
00:13:28,108 --> 00:13:30,141
all very happy for her.
347
00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:32,277
This, to me,
feels like a real person.
348
00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:35,547
The question now isn't
whether this is a real Katy.
349
00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:36,848
It's whether or not this
350
00:13:36,917 --> 00:13:38,183
is who he was talking to
ten years ago.
351
00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:40,752
- Agreed.
- So either he was
352
00:13:40,821 --> 00:13:42,120
and now she's just moved on
353
00:13:42,189 --> 00:13:44,455
and doesn't want
to talk to him anymore.
354
00:13:44,524 --> 00:13:48,393
Or someone who knows her
copycatted her life back then.
355
00:13:48,461 --> 00:13:51,162
- Because Paul has nude photos
of he.
356
00:13:51,231 --> 00:13:52,931
Who would have her nude photos?
357
00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:54,699
Maybe we should
just message her
358
00:13:54,768 --> 00:13:56,367
and see what's up with her.
359
00:13:56,436 --> 00:14:00,638
- "Hey, Katy. Wondering if you
have 2 minutes
360
00:14:00,707 --> 00:14:02,774
to help clear something up."
361
00:14:02,843 --> 00:14:04,542
All right. So yeah,
362
00:14:04,611 --> 00:14:06,511
I don't know what else
there is to do, because--
363
00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:08,379
- We haven't searched
her full name.
364
00:14:08,448 --> 00:14:09,614
- Oh, just, like,
a Google search?
365
00:14:09,683 --> 00:14:10,715
Yeah, that's a good idea.
366
00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:12,550
- Yeah.
- How should I spell it?
367
00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:17,255
Caitea [bleep]. Whoa.
What's this? A Reddit.
368
00:14:17,324 --> 00:14:20,358
Someone started a thread called
Caitea [bleep] is a catfish.
369
00:14:20,427 --> 00:14:21,659
- [gasps]
370
00:14:21,728 --> 00:14:23,695
Ooh.
371
00:14:23,763 --> 00:14:25,563
- If you're talking to Caitea
on "Call of Duty,"
372
00:14:25,632 --> 00:14:27,498
you're being catfished,
and then they...
373
00:14:27,567 --> 00:14:30,168
- What did I say?
- Put her Facebook.
374
00:14:30,237 --> 00:14:32,470
Wait, so does this mean
that this is a fake page?
375
00:14:32,539 --> 00:14:35,506
Okay, so obviously there's
an internet trail about...
376
00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:37,175
[phone chiming]
Oh.
377
00:14:37,244 --> 00:14:41,679
Hold on, I'm getting
a phone call from Akron.
378
00:14:41,748 --> 00:14:43,948
Hello--hello.
379
00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:46,818
- Yeah, hey. Who's this?
380
00:14:46,887 --> 00:14:49,487
- Katy. What's up?
381
00:14:51,958 --> 00:14:53,091
- It's going great.
382
00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:58,296
Do you have any idea
why I reached out?
383
00:14:58,365 --> 00:15:02,867
- So we're trying to help
this guy who ten years ago
384
00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:07,272
met a girl on Xbox
named Caitea [bleep].
385
00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:10,541
And he thinks you're that girl.
386
00:15:23,757 --> 00:15:26,391
- Okay. Did you ever talk
to a guy named Paul?
387
00:15:36,469 --> 00:15:37,902
- Wow.
388
00:15:41,574 --> 00:15:44,275
- So--'cause this guy Paul says
he found
389
00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:46,277
an Instagram account
earlier this year
390
00:15:46,346 --> 00:15:50,048
and messaged it and just said,
"Hey, it's me. How are you?"
391
00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:51,683
And the person wrote back
and said,
392
00:15:51,751 --> 00:15:53,751
"I don't know who you are.
We've never talked.
393
00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:55,486
Was that you?"
394
00:15:59,793 --> 00:16:02,360
Can you get on a Zoom quickly,
just so we can see your face
395
00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:04,262
and confirm
exactly who you are?
396
00:16:07,934 --> 00:16:11,135
- Okay.
397
00:16:11,204 --> 00:16:12,503
- Okay. Yeah.
398
00:16:12,572 --> 00:16:14,072
- I mean, I had to ask you
to do that,
399
00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:15,206
but it would just be helpful,
just so we--
400
00:16:15,275 --> 00:16:16,341
- Okay, great.
- Not a problem.
401
00:16:16,409 --> 00:16:17,475
- Here's a question that--
402
00:16:17,544 --> 00:16:19,978
that's a little bit
uncomfortable.
403
00:16:20,046 --> 00:16:23,381
Paul,
he got nude photos of you.
404
00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:24,782
- Is there anyone
that would have
405
00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:27,752
or might have at some point
had nude photos of you?
406
00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:38,363
- Okay, so we're talking about,
like, obviously, an ex.
407
00:16:42,802 --> 00:16:44,002
- Okay. Okay.
We'll be in touch.
408
00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:45,870
But thank you so much.
409
00:16:45,939 --> 00:16:48,272
- Bye.
410
00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:50,208
- What do you think?
Do you believe her?
411
00:16:50,276 --> 00:16:52,176
- I mean, I don't have
a reason not to.
412
00:16:52,245 --> 00:16:55,446
- I mean, her story
seems to make sense to me.
413
00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:58,449
[computer chimes]
Oh, she just sent a video.
414
00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,885
- Hi, my name is Katy,
and I never talked
415
00:17:00,954 --> 00:17:02,720
to a guy named Paul on Xbox.
416
00:17:02,789 --> 00:17:05,690
- There it is. All right.
We got--we got to talk to Paul.
417
00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:07,525
- Yeah.
- So I think it's safe to say
418
00:17:07,594 --> 00:17:09,861
he was not talking
to the girl in the pictures.
419
00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:11,295
Her name is not Caitea.
420
00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:12,897
I mean, it could be,
but it probably isn't,
421
00:17:12,966 --> 00:17:15,299
because they clearly were
impersonating the real Katy.
422
00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,035
- Yeah. But he was in love
423
00:17:17,103 --> 00:17:18,770
with someone.
- Yeah.
424
00:17:18,838 --> 00:17:19,937
- Who is the person?
425
00:17:20,006 --> 00:17:21,739
Where are they?
426
00:17:23,209 --> 00:17:24,475
- All right.
So here's what we got.
427
00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:27,979
We've now talked to the Katy
from the Facebook page
428
00:17:28,048 --> 00:17:30,481
that has the name
and pictures of the Caitea
429
00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:32,283
that Paul
thinks he's talking to.
430
00:17:32,352 --> 00:17:34,385
But she's never talked
to a guy named Paul.
431
00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:37,255
So that means that
whoever Paul was talking to
432
00:17:37,323 --> 00:17:40,158
was using Katy's name
and pictures.
433
00:17:40,226 --> 00:17:41,759
And it's got to be
someone close to her,
434
00:17:41,828 --> 00:17:44,929
because they're sending
nude photos of Katy.
435
00:17:44,998 --> 00:17:46,230
- Right.
436
00:17:46,299 --> 00:17:49,167
- I think we should
get Paul back on.
437
00:17:57,043 --> 00:17:58,242
- He said, "Okay, we're here."
438
00:17:58,311 --> 00:18:00,078
I guess Sam is back.
439
00:18:00,146 --> 00:18:01,646
[computer chimes]
- Oh.
440
00:18:01,714 --> 00:18:02,980
- Hey.
- Hey.
441
00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:04,248
- Hey.
- How you doing?
442
00:18:04,317 --> 00:18:05,783
- What's up?
443
00:18:05,852 --> 00:18:07,485
Well, we've got an update.
444
00:18:07,554 --> 00:18:09,854
I'm gonna share my screen.
445
00:18:09,923 --> 00:18:12,056
- Okay.
- We went through her photos,
446
00:18:12,125 --> 00:18:15,893
and we did an image search,
and we got a hit.
447
00:18:15,962 --> 00:18:17,061
It brought us to this profile.
448
00:18:18,798 --> 00:18:20,531
Katy [bleep].
449
00:18:22,168 --> 00:18:25,236
It certainly looks as though
Katy has been married
450
00:18:25,305 --> 00:18:26,737
as of October.
451
00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:29,841
I mean, like, you know,
it seems pretty legit.
452
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:32,009
[somber piano music]
453
00:18:32,078 --> 00:18:34,846
- Okay.
454
00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:38,015
♪ ♪
455
00:18:38,084 --> 00:18:39,717
- So we messaged Katy.
456
00:18:39,786 --> 00:18:41,419
Here's where it gets
more interesting.
457
00:18:41,488 --> 00:18:43,688
When we just Googled
"Caitea [bleep],"
458
00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:46,257
you can see here there's
a Reddit page that says,
459
00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:48,226
"Caitea [bleep] is a catfish."
460
00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:52,130
[tense music]
461
00:18:52,198 --> 00:18:54,699
- Look at Sam. Sam.
462
00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:58,169
Sam just had the most
gratifying smile on her face.
463
00:18:58,238 --> 00:19:00,304
♪ ♪
464
00:19:00,373 --> 00:19:03,541
- Now, this isn't proof
that she's fake.
465
00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:05,676
But it certainly raises
some red flags.
466
00:19:05,745 --> 00:19:08,412
- But honestly, I want
to believe that she's real.
467
00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:10,081
With everything in me,
I want to believe it.
468
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:11,215
Because that was two years
of my life.
469
00:19:11,284 --> 00:19:13,017
I mean,
you can't get that back.
470
00:19:13,086 --> 00:19:15,520
- Right.
471
00:19:15,588 --> 00:19:18,823
But look, Paul, we're
kind of burying the lead here,
472
00:19:18,892 --> 00:19:24,028
because we did end up
hearing back from Katy.
473
00:19:24,097 --> 00:19:25,763
♪ ♪
474
00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:27,131
- Okay.
475
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,567
- I said, "Do you know why
we're calling?" And she said,
476
00:19:29,636 --> 00:19:31,435
"Well, I don't know exactly,
but I have an idea."
477
00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:33,037
And I said,
"Well, what do you mean?"
478
00:19:33,106 --> 00:19:35,239
And she said, "Well, there have
been people over the years
479
00:19:35,308 --> 00:19:36,507
"who have reached out to me,
480
00:19:36,576 --> 00:19:38,376
"because they thought
they were talking to me.
481
00:19:38,444 --> 00:19:40,645
And it's not the first time
this has happened."
482
00:19:40,713 --> 00:19:42,480
So I said, "Well, have you
heard of a guy named Paul?"
483
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:45,616
And she said, "I don't remember
getting a message from him."
484
00:19:45,685 --> 00:19:49,153
And we asked her
if she could send us a video...
485
00:19:49,222 --> 00:19:50,988
- Right.
- Sort of just to confirm
486
00:19:51,057 --> 00:19:53,624
that she
is the girl in the pictures.
487
00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,927
So there she is.
488
00:19:55,995 --> 00:19:57,495
♪ ♪
489
00:19:57,564 --> 00:20:01,032
- Okay.
490
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:02,533
- Hi. My name is Katy,
491
00:20:02,602 --> 00:20:05,770
and I never talked
to a guy named Paul on Xbox.
492
00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:09,207
♪ ♪
493
00:20:09,275 --> 00:20:12,944
- Not her voice.
Definitely not her voice.
494
00:20:13,012 --> 00:20:16,080
No. No.
495
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:17,181
♪ ♪
496
00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:18,516
- So, if that's not
her voice...
497
00:20:18,585 --> 00:20:19,784
- Not her voice. Not at all.
- And that is the girl
498
00:20:19,852 --> 00:20:22,353
in the pictures saying
she's never talked to you,
499
00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:25,523
that for me confirms
500
00:20:25,592 --> 00:20:30,194
that whoever you were talking
to wasn't this girl.
501
00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:32,396
- Right.
502
00:20:32,465 --> 00:20:33,764
I mean, it's bull[bleep].
503
00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:36,734
Right.
She knew everything about me.
504
00:20:36,803 --> 00:20:38,169
- Right.
- Like, I was hoping to God
505
00:20:38,238 --> 00:20:39,737
it was a catfish.
Don't get me wrong.
506
00:20:39,806 --> 00:20:43,307
But now that
it might possibly be a catfish,
507
00:20:43,376 --> 00:20:44,709
it kind of,
like, really pisses me off,
508
00:20:44,777 --> 00:20:48,779
because, like, Paul told
her personal information.
509
00:20:48,848 --> 00:20:51,349
- Right.
510
00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:52,350
- Well, here's what's weird.
511
00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:54,552
On the phone call with Katy,
512
00:20:54,621 --> 00:20:58,155
we mentioned that you had been
sent nude photos of her...
513
00:20:58,224 --> 00:20:59,357
- Right.
- And asked her
514
00:20:59,425 --> 00:21:00,658
if photos of her did exist.
515
00:21:00,727 --> 00:21:03,661
And she said yes.
She had naked photos.
516
00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:07,298
That then means
that somehow those photos
517
00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:09,533
got either shared or taken.
518
00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,035
Now, it doesn't necessarily
get us any closer
519
00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,471
to figuring out who it is.
520
00:21:13,539 --> 00:21:17,675
But at least at this point
we know who it's not.
521
00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,378
- Right.
522
00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:25,149
- Sam, if it's okay,
I'd actually--
523
00:21:25,218 --> 00:21:28,185
I would love to take a minute
and just talk with Paul,
524
00:21:28,254 --> 00:21:29,720
just to kind of check in
with him.
525
00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:32,490
- Yeah. All right, sounds good.
Good night, guys.
526
00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:42,133
- Well...
- It feels like--yeah.
527
00:21:42,201 --> 00:21:43,601
- Your face is, like,
528
00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:47,171
telling me
everything I need to know.
529
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,906
- I'm pissed. I'm pissed.
530
00:21:48,975 --> 00:21:52,376
Absolutely pissed.
531
00:21:52,445 --> 00:21:54,011
Feels like [bleep].
532
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,481
- Like, if they're not real,
if they're not who they really
533
00:21:57,550 --> 00:21:59,150
are portraying themselves
out to be,
534
00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:00,651
were their feelings real?
535
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,486
- Definitely.
I need to know why.
536
00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:04,955
Honestly, I really would.
537
00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:06,891
I mean, it's embarrassing.
I mean, this is--
538
00:22:06,959 --> 00:22:08,659
it's honestly embarrassing,
is what it is.
539
00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:10,161
It's embarrassing
and degrading.
540
00:22:10,229 --> 00:22:12,129
- ♪ Hunger ♪
541
00:22:12,198 --> 00:22:15,032
♪ Pulling closer ♪
542
00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:17,468
♪ Starving
for your attention ♪
543
00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:23,808
Ten years.
544
00:22:23,876 --> 00:22:25,743
♪ ♪
545
00:22:25,812 --> 00:22:28,713
Was it all just mind games?
What was it?
546
00:22:30,616 --> 00:22:32,483
- I mean, it hurts more to not
know if anything was real.
547
00:22:32,552 --> 00:22:34,552
It ain't funny to play
with people's heads.
548
00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:35,653
It really isn't.
549
00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:37,388
Two years of my life gone.
550
00:22:37,457 --> 00:22:39,890
I mean, I don't know
if she's sick and twisted
551
00:22:39,959 --> 00:22:44,362
or what it is, but I definitely
need to find out
552
00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:46,731
so I can put it behind me
and move on with my life.
553
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,132
♪ ♪
554
00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:50,601
- All right, so look,
let's call it for tonight,
555
00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:53,471
because it's late, and we've
been doing this for a while.
556
00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:54,872
- Okay.
557
00:22:54,941 --> 00:22:56,173
- But we'll check in with you
in the morning
558
00:22:56,242 --> 00:22:59,110
and hopefully see
if we can figure out
559
00:22:59,178 --> 00:23:00,244
what the heck's going on here.
560
00:23:00,313 --> 00:23:02,146
- I appreciate it, man.
I really do.
561
00:23:02,215 --> 00:23:04,115
- All right, Paul.
- Sorry, Paul.
562
00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:07,284
- All right, guys. Thank you.
563
00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:09,320
- Woof.
- He's hurt, man.
564
00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:13,724
I mean, this is still very much
an active wound.
565
00:23:13,793 --> 00:23:16,861
- Just think about
your first love
566
00:23:16,929 --> 00:23:19,864
and then to think
that it was all a lie.
567
00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:21,499
That's heartbreaking
for anyone.
568
00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:23,501
- All right, well hopefully,
tomorrow morning,
569
00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:25,936
we'll get a break, or we'll get
some new information
570
00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:28,472
that might lead us
towards the truth.
571
00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:29,607
- Good night.
572
00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:35,646
[upbeat music]
573
00:23:35,715 --> 00:23:36,747
♪ ♪
574
00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:39,583
- Okay. It's day two.
575
00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:43,621
And I put on a nice shirt,
because I mean business.
576
00:23:43,689 --> 00:23:45,790
Who is this Caitea girl?
Time to get serious.
577
00:23:45,858 --> 00:23:47,892
Time to get real.
578
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,026
[computer chimes]
579
00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,061
- Hello. I see you.
580
00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:52,329
You're glam.
581
00:23:52,398 --> 00:23:54,698
- [laughs]
582
00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:56,133
- You look great all the time.
583
00:23:56,202 --> 00:23:58,903
But, you know, a little
sprucy spruce is never wrong.
584
00:23:58,971 --> 00:24:01,572
- So I reached out
to the real Katy last night
585
00:24:01,641 --> 00:24:04,074
to see if maybe
she knows anything else.
586
00:24:04,143 --> 00:24:05,843
Let's see if she gets back
to us.
587
00:24:05,912 --> 00:24:07,678
Let's text Paul.
588
00:24:07,747 --> 00:24:08,979
- Poor thing.
589
00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:15,419
Oh, he texted.
Oh, he texted. He's coming.
590
00:24:15,488 --> 00:24:16,420
I guess he's coming
in the Zoom.
591
00:24:16,489 --> 00:24:19,457
[computer chimes]
Hey.
592
00:24:19,525 --> 00:24:22,092
- Hey, Paul.
- What's up, guys?
593
00:24:22,161 --> 00:24:23,861
- How are you feeling?
594
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:25,663
- A little upset still.
595
00:24:25,731 --> 00:24:27,064
A little upset.
I didn't go to bed until,
596
00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,567
like, 6:00 last night
in the morning.
597
00:24:29,635 --> 00:24:31,168
- What? What were you doing
all night?
598
00:24:31,237 --> 00:24:33,471
- Talking with Sam
till about 4:00.
599
00:24:33,539 --> 00:24:34,905
Couldn't sleep.
600
00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:36,140
[phone dings]
601
00:24:36,209 --> 00:24:38,509
- Hold on. I got a text. Wait.
602
00:24:38,578 --> 00:24:41,445
So the real--the real Katy
just texted me and said,
603
00:24:41,514 --> 00:24:43,948
"Hey, have you figured
anything out yet?"
604
00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:46,450
[tense music]
605
00:24:53,459 --> 00:24:55,326
- I'm just trying to, like,
speculate.
606
00:24:55,394 --> 00:24:57,995
'Cause who would know
personal details
607
00:24:58,064 --> 00:24:59,930
about the real Katy's life,
like,
608
00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,999
have access
to nude photos of her?
609
00:25:02,068 --> 00:25:03,868
Who would have motive
against her?
610
00:25:03,936 --> 00:25:05,836
- Oh. She just texted me.
611
00:25:05,905 --> 00:25:08,105
"What's the Zoom link?"
612
00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:09,306
- Well, we did ask her
to Zoom yesterday,
613
00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:10,941
but she was at work,
so she couldn't.
614
00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:11,976
- I mean, look,
at the very least,
615
00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:13,644
you can now talk to her,
616
00:25:13,713 --> 00:25:15,346
which I think will be helpful
for you,
617
00:25:15,414 --> 00:25:17,181
just to sort of have
an opportunity
618
00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:18,616
to talk to this girl
who you thought
619
00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:20,050
you were in love with
for so long
620
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,886
so many years ago.
But who knows?
621
00:25:21,954 --> 00:25:25,556
Maybe she actually has some--
something else to tell us.
622
00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:28,025
- Oh, [bleep].
[computer chimes]
623
00:25:28,094 --> 00:25:30,761
- Oh.
- Hi.
624
00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:32,730
- Hi.
- Hi.
625
00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:35,399
- We're missing someone.
- Hello.
626
00:25:35,468 --> 00:25:38,903
- Wait, yeah.
- She's not here yet.
627
00:25:38,971 --> 00:25:41,305
Hi.
Sorry. I'll be right back.
628
00:25:41,374 --> 00:25:42,907
- Wait.
629
00:25:42,975 --> 00:25:44,141
That was weird.
630
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:45,809
- I mean,
who are we waiting for?
631
00:25:45,878 --> 00:25:48,045
- Who are we missing?
632
00:25:48,114 --> 00:25:50,614
What--what just happened?
633
00:25:50,683 --> 00:25:52,516
- I have anxiety.
634
00:25:52,585 --> 00:25:55,352
[tense music]
635
00:25:55,421 --> 00:25:56,554
Why are we just sitting here?
636
00:25:56,622 --> 00:25:57,922
This is awkward.
637
00:25:57,990 --> 00:26:00,558
♪ ♪
638
00:26:00,626 --> 00:26:02,726
[computer chimes]
- Oh. Oh.
639
00:26:02,795 --> 00:26:05,062
Oh. Hello.
640
00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:07,031
- Hi.
641
00:26:07,099 --> 00:26:10,467
- Okay, um, what the [bleep]?
642
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:12,736
- What--what just happened?
643
00:26:12,805 --> 00:26:14,672
- I have anxiety.
644
00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:17,841
[tense music]
645
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:18,876
Why are we just sitting here?
646
00:26:18,945 --> 00:26:19,910
This is awkward.
647
00:26:19,979 --> 00:26:22,479
♪ ♪
648
00:26:22,548 --> 00:26:24,114
[computer chimes]
- Oh. Oh.
649
00:26:24,183 --> 00:26:25,983
Oh. Hello.
650
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,151
- Hi.
- Hello.
651
00:26:27,219 --> 00:26:29,520
Hi.
- Hi.
652
00:26:29,589 --> 00:26:32,723
♪ ♪
653
00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:35,459
- Hi.
- Okay.
654
00:26:35,528 --> 00:26:37,328
Hi, there.
We're all a little confused.
655
00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:40,230
We're not sure exactly
who's who and what's what here.
656
00:26:40,299 --> 00:26:44,401
So, please introduce--
introduce yourselves.
657
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:48,973
- So I'm Katy. You guys talked
to me yesterday.
658
00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:51,842
And this is Martha.
659
00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:54,478
- Martha.
- Hello, Martha. Hello.
660
00:26:54,547 --> 00:26:56,380
- Hi, Nev.
661
00:26:56,449 --> 00:26:57,481
- As you--so, okay.
I'm Nev,
662
00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:58,983
and this is Kamie,
and this is Paul.
663
00:26:59,051 --> 00:27:01,151
- Hi, Kamie.
- Hi.
664
00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:02,486
- Hi.
- Hi, Paul.
665
00:27:02,555 --> 00:27:05,055
- And--well, I'm delighted
to meet you
666
00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:07,358
and that you're joining us.
I just--
667
00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:11,362
I'm just having a hard time
figuring out exactly why.
668
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:14,999
- I mean, the long and short
of it is--Paul, hi.
669
00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:16,867
- Hi.
- Nice to meet you.
670
00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,636
I don't know who you are.
671
00:27:18,704 --> 00:27:21,071
♪ ♪
672
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:22,106
But this is my mom.
673
00:27:22,174 --> 00:27:24,308
♪ ♪
674
00:27:24,377 --> 00:27:29,146
This is who Paul
was talking to.
675
00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:31,115
- What?
676
00:27:31,183 --> 00:27:35,619
♪ ♪
677
00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:39,390
- I was the one
doing the catfishing.
678
00:27:40,693 --> 00:27:43,093
- Wow.
679
00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:46,830
- [bleep].
680
00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:53,771
♪ ♪
681
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:57,574
- You do realize
how young I was, right?
682
00:27:57,643 --> 00:27:58,809
- I do.
683
00:27:58,878 --> 00:28:00,544
♪ ♪
684
00:28:00,613 --> 00:28:02,379
- Katy, when we spoke to you
yesterday,
685
00:28:02,448 --> 00:28:07,384
you chose not to tell us
about all this.
686
00:28:07,453 --> 00:28:09,420
And I can understand
maybe why--
687
00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:11,689
- I mean, who would? [bleep].
I mean, this is embarrassing.
688
00:28:11,757 --> 00:28:13,357
I mean, this is [bleep]
embarrassing for me
689
00:28:13,426 --> 00:28:15,793
on so many levels.
I can only imagine for her.
690
00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:19,830
♪ ♪
691
00:28:19,899 --> 00:28:21,165
- So wait, Katy, did you know
692
00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:24,401
that this was the case
the whole time?
693
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:28,205
- So I found out everything
694
00:28:28,274 --> 00:28:31,241
roughly two years ago or so.
695
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:34,078
I was so mad and hurt.
696
00:28:34,146 --> 00:28:38,449
But my mom and I, like,
697
00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:40,150
after finding out,
like, we've reconciled.
698
00:28:40,219 --> 00:28:41,452
We're on good terms.
699
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,155
But I know that there are
people out there like you
700
00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:49,226
who need closure
from what she did.
701
00:28:49,295 --> 00:28:52,629
I definitely wanted
to just, like,
702
00:28:52,698 --> 00:28:54,531
tell you everything yesterday.
703
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,300
It was really hard not to.
704
00:28:56,368 --> 00:28:58,769
- Right.
- But it's not just my life
705
00:28:58,838 --> 00:29:01,705
that it affects.
I mean, it's my mom.
706
00:29:01,774 --> 00:29:03,741
And I had to take her
into consideration.
707
00:29:03,809 --> 00:29:06,443
I contacted her
pretty quickly after
708
00:29:06,512 --> 00:29:08,479
and was like, "Can we do this?
709
00:29:08,547 --> 00:29:10,214
Can we come clean
on everything?"
710
00:29:10,282 --> 00:29:14,051
Because again, I've had other
people put me up about this.
711
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,622
And, like, I've told them,
and they haven't believed be.
712
00:29:18,691 --> 00:29:20,224
I--I don't know
what to do with that.
713
00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:22,793
- I mean,
it is hard to believe.
714
00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:25,596
- I'm sorry. I'm--like,
I can't--I can't--
715
00:29:25,664 --> 00:29:28,065
I can't speak,
'cause I'm literally,
716
00:29:28,134 --> 00:29:30,701
like, sick to my stomach.
717
00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:33,370
- You're sick
to your stomach, huh? Yeah.
718
00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:37,474
- Are we--like,
is this honestly the truth?
719
00:29:37,543 --> 00:29:40,144
- 100%.
- It's true.
720
00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,546
♪ ♪
721
00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:44,915
- When was the last time
you were actively using
722
00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:49,086
the Caitea disguise
and sort of fake profile?
723
00:29:49,155 --> 00:29:51,755
- Seven years ago?
I don't remember exactly, Nev.
724
00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:55,259
- So it has been a while
since you've done this.
725
00:29:55,327 --> 00:30:00,330
- Yes.
I did go to see a therapist.
726
00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:03,100
That stuff had been
worked out years ago.
727
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:07,538
- But there really is, like,
no real explanation
728
00:30:07,606 --> 00:30:10,440
for talking
to a young teenage boy
729
00:30:10,509 --> 00:30:14,111
as a grown woman.
730
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:17,114
- It started
because I was in a really
731
00:30:17,183 --> 00:30:19,316
bad place in my life.
732
00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:21,151
I had gotten divorced.
733
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:22,386
My mom died.
734
00:30:22,454 --> 00:30:25,422
My oldest child
went off to college.
735
00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:30,127
And Katy left to go live
with a boyfriend.
736
00:30:30,196 --> 00:30:32,429
So I went from having
737
00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:35,899
three people that were
the focus of my life
738
00:30:35,968 --> 00:30:38,902
to nothing.
739
00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:41,538
And I was extremely lonely.
740
00:30:41,607 --> 00:30:45,008
And I am making no excuses
for my behavior.
741
00:30:45,077 --> 00:30:46,677
It was not right.
742
00:30:46,745 --> 00:30:50,681
I just wanted someone
to care about me.
743
00:30:50,749 --> 00:30:55,219
You have no idea
how lonely I was.
744
00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:56,587
You have no idea.
745
00:30:56,655 --> 00:30:58,689
- Make a friend,
not a boyfriend.
746
00:30:58,757 --> 00:31:00,023
I mean,
don't [bleep] take advantage
747
00:31:00,092 --> 00:31:03,594
of a goddamn teenager.
Like, what the [bleep]?
748
00:31:03,662 --> 00:31:06,129
Like, I'm literally shaking,
'cause I'm so pissed right now.
749
00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:08,265
♪ ♪
750
00:31:08,334 --> 00:31:11,702
- You have a right
to be pissed.
751
00:31:11,770 --> 00:31:14,738
- Okay, so when talking
to guys on Xbox,
752
00:31:14,807 --> 00:31:19,676
you used both pictures
and the name of your daughter.
753
00:31:19,745 --> 00:31:22,012
Why wouldn't you at least
come up with a different name
754
00:31:22,081 --> 00:31:24,014
and different pictures
so that people
755
00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:26,383
couldn't associate
your actual daughter
756
00:31:26,452 --> 00:31:30,988
to the personality
that you had created?
757
00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:34,057
- I was not savvy enough
758
00:31:34,126 --> 00:31:37,928
to even think that
what I was doing was wrong.
759
00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:40,831
- You're [bleep] manipulating
a 16-year-old, man.
760
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,733
Like, [bleep].
761
00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:46,003
- And at the time,
you were roughly
762
00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:48,105
in your 40s?
763
00:31:48,173 --> 00:31:50,607
- Yes.
764
00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,876
- That's something clearly
that
765
00:31:52,945 --> 00:31:55,212
I think we can all agree
is inappropriate.
766
00:31:55,281 --> 00:31:57,414
- I agree.
767
00:31:57,483 --> 00:31:58,815
- I understand being lonely
and being, like,
768
00:31:58,884 --> 00:32:00,918
"You know what? I'm gonna get
on this video game,
769
00:32:00,986 --> 00:32:04,788
because I want to hang out
with my friends on Xbox."
770
00:32:04,857 --> 00:32:08,592
Fine.
But it should have ended there.
771
00:32:08,661 --> 00:32:12,029
There is no way, shape,
or form, rhyme or reason
772
00:32:12,097 --> 00:32:13,764
why it should have been okay
773
00:32:13,832 --> 00:32:16,500
to take that relationship
elsewhere
774
00:32:16,568 --> 00:32:18,468
and start cultivating
a relationship
775
00:32:18,537 --> 00:32:19,770
with a high schooler.
776
00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:24,174
♪ ♪
777
00:32:24,243 --> 00:32:28,545
I mean, I believe that the age
of consent in Michigan,
778
00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,781
where Paul lives, is 16.
779
00:32:30,849 --> 00:32:34,718
But as a 40-year-old-something
woman,
780
00:32:34,787 --> 00:32:36,920
you're in these chats on Xbox.
781
00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:41,491
What could you possibly have
in common with them, Martha?
782
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:46,897
- Because those guys
were the ones
783
00:32:46,966 --> 00:32:49,232
showing me
the most attention...
784
00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:51,335
- Well, yeah.
- And the most affection.
785
00:32:51,403 --> 00:32:53,036
- I mean...
- And, you know,
786
00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:55,539
that's what I wanted.
787
00:32:55,607 --> 00:32:59,309
- I'm sure that--I'm sure
that a 16-year-old boy
788
00:32:59,378 --> 00:33:00,911
is showing you attention
and affection
789
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:02,612
when you're sending them
790
00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:04,848
naked pictures
of your teenage daughter.
791
00:33:04,917 --> 00:33:06,783
- Of your [bleep] daughter.
Like, come on, man.
792
00:33:06,852 --> 00:33:08,852
- That was Katy's nudes,
right?
793
00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:11,288
- Yes.
794
00:33:11,357 --> 00:33:12,789
- And, Katy, please tell me
795
00:33:12,858 --> 00:33:15,926
you were at least 18
when these pics were taken.
796
00:33:15,995 --> 00:33:17,427
- Yeah.
797
00:33:17,496 --> 00:33:19,463
- How were you
getting those photos?
798
00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:22,566
♪ ♪
799
00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:26,236
- I got the photos--
when she would go to sleep,
800
00:33:26,305 --> 00:33:28,638
I would go get her phone,
801
00:33:28,707 --> 00:33:31,141
and I would look through
for any new
802
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:32,743
or different photos.
803
00:33:35,514 --> 00:33:36,947
- I'm sure that
a 16-year-old boy
804
00:33:37,016 --> 00:33:38,648
is showing you attention
and affection
805
00:33:38,717 --> 00:33:40,484
when you're sending them
806
00:33:40,552 --> 00:33:42,319
naked pictures
of your teenage daughter.
807
00:33:42,388 --> 00:33:44,688
- Of your [bleep] daughter.
Like, come on, man.
808
00:33:44,757 --> 00:33:47,190
- That was Katy's nudes,
right?
809
00:33:47,259 --> 00:33:50,160
- Yes.
810
00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:52,763
- And, Katy, please tell me
you were at least 18
811
00:33:52,831 --> 00:33:54,464
when these pics were taken.
812
00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:55,999
- Yeah.
813
00:33:56,068 --> 00:33:58,335
- How were you getting
those photos?
814
00:33:58,404 --> 00:34:02,372
- I got the photos--
when she would go to sleep,
815
00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:04,141
I would go get her phone,
816
00:34:04,209 --> 00:34:07,878
and I would look through for
any new or different photos,
817
00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,013
and I would send them
to my phone,
818
00:34:10,082 --> 00:34:11,915
and then I would delete
819
00:34:11,984 --> 00:34:14,384
the sending off of her phone.
820
00:34:14,453 --> 00:34:16,253
- Ooh.
821
00:34:16,321 --> 00:34:19,022
- Wow. Like, wow.
822
00:34:19,091 --> 00:34:20,690
♪ ♪
823
00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:22,759
- What is the logic
behind that?
824
00:34:22,828 --> 00:34:25,095
Because I'm really--I'm never
going to understand,
825
00:34:25,164 --> 00:34:28,398
but I'm trying to for the sake
of this conversation.
826
00:34:28,467 --> 00:34:31,468
But what is the logic
behind using
827
00:34:31,537 --> 00:34:33,370
nude photos of your daughter?
828
00:34:33,439 --> 00:34:36,273
♪ ♪
829
00:34:36,341 --> 00:34:38,475
- To keep the deception going,
830
00:34:38,544 --> 00:34:41,778
to make it last as long
as it could.
831
00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:43,447
- And, Katy,
these would have been photos
832
00:34:43,515 --> 00:34:46,516
that you were sending to your
actual boyfriend at the time.
833
00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:49,119
- Yep.
834
00:34:49,188 --> 00:34:51,121
♪ ♪
835
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:53,790
If you guys would have
caught me two years ago,
836
00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:55,826
I definitely was furious.
837
00:34:55,894 --> 00:34:59,529
I felt probably about
how Paul's feeling right now.
838
00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:00,764
I felt--
839
00:35:00,833 --> 00:35:02,532
- Violated?
- Yeah.
840
00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,769
Oh, yeah.
841
00:35:05,838 --> 00:35:07,237
This is my mom.
This is someone
842
00:35:07,306 --> 00:35:09,139
I'm supposed to be able
to trust with everything.
843
00:35:09,208 --> 00:35:11,808
- With your life.
- With my life. Literally.
844
00:35:11,877 --> 00:35:13,210
I mean, she brought me
into this world.
845
00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:15,645
And to feel
846
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:18,915
so used and betrayed...
847
00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:21,184
I think we both thought
there was a time
848
00:35:21,253 --> 00:35:26,022
that we weren't gonna
get past it, that this was it.
849
00:35:26,091 --> 00:35:27,724
But it's my mother.
850
00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:31,094
And knowing everything
she's been through,
851
00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:32,529
understanding
her perspective--
852
00:35:32,598 --> 00:35:35,465
she didn't even have to
explain her perspective to me.
853
00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:38,335
I understood,
and I forgave her,
854
00:35:38,403 --> 00:35:40,337
and we moved on,
and that was it.
855
00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:42,272
[somber music]
856
00:35:42,341 --> 00:35:43,640
- But I mean, like, how does
857
00:35:43,709 --> 00:35:45,642
a 40-year-old person
just do that?
858
00:35:45,711 --> 00:35:48,211
I mean, for so long?
It was ten [bleep] years.
859
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,679
Whew.
860
00:35:49,748 --> 00:35:52,082
It's just, like,
what the [bleep]?
861
00:35:52,151 --> 00:35:53,750
I mean,
how [bleep] up is [bleep]?
862
00:35:53,819 --> 00:35:55,719
That's [bleep] up.
863
00:35:55,787 --> 00:35:58,455
♪ ♪
864
00:35:58,524 --> 00:36:02,759
[exhales]
865
00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:04,294
It actually ruined
my relationship
866
00:36:04,363 --> 00:36:07,297
I tried to have afterwards,
because I had trust issues.
867
00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:11,334
I had trust issues
with a lot of people.
868
00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:14,871
In my head--I'm 16--
you were my first girlfriend.
869
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:18,875
In my head, every girl
is the same after that.
870
00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:23,680
- I--Paul, I'm really sorry.
I really am.
871
00:36:23,749 --> 00:36:25,448
I know that I hurt people.
872
00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,417
I know that I hurt my daughter.
873
00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:32,656
I struggled...
874
00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:35,158
beyond belief
with how to make it stop,
875
00:36:35,227 --> 00:36:39,262
how to make me stop,
and I couldn't.
876
00:36:39,331 --> 00:36:44,301
It's just--I could figure out
how to get out of it.
877
00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:49,172
- I want to give Paul a break,
just to kind of...
878
00:36:51,143 --> 00:36:53,443
- Think about everything
and talk to his fiancée
879
00:36:53,512 --> 00:36:57,981
for a minute and sort of gather
his thoughts,
880
00:36:58,050 --> 00:37:00,116
let us sort of tie things up
881
00:37:00,185 --> 00:37:01,585
a little bit
with Martha and Katy,
882
00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:03,220
and then we'll say
goodbye to them,
883
00:37:03,288 --> 00:37:05,355
and then we'll come back,
and we'll talk to you and Sam.
884
00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:06,790
- Okay. That's sounds good.
885
00:37:06,858 --> 00:37:07,958
- All right.
- All right.
886
00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:09,859
- We'll talk to you
in a minute, Paul.
887
00:37:09,928 --> 00:37:13,730
- All right.
- Okay.
888
00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:15,532
- Katy, are you okay?
889
00:37:15,601 --> 00:37:17,801
♪ ♪
890
00:37:17,869 --> 00:37:21,204
- I remember
just the way she--like,
891
00:37:21,273 --> 00:37:22,839
she would always be
taking pictures of me.
892
00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:24,474
And I was just like, "Oh, okay.
893
00:37:24,543 --> 00:37:26,343
I'm your daughter,
so I guess that's not weird."
894
00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:30,947
Just, I have a lot of
mixed emotions right now.
895
00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:33,516
- The fact that your daughter
is here right now for you
896
00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:38,188
and has been through
all of this is...
897
00:37:38,257 --> 00:37:42,325
incredible.
898
00:37:42,394 --> 00:37:44,294
- Katy, I'm sorry.
899
00:37:44,363 --> 00:37:47,664
I don't ever want to do
anything like that again
900
00:37:47,733 --> 00:37:52,035
to hurt my child,
to hurt another person.
901
00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:55,238
I have learned
from those mistakes.
902
00:37:55,307 --> 00:37:58,475
- I mean, I think anytime
you're re-opening
903
00:37:58,543 --> 00:38:01,044
Pandora's Box, after--
you know, as a mother
904
00:38:01,113 --> 00:38:03,280
and daughter--had already
closed that
905
00:38:03,348 --> 00:38:06,049
in your lives--it's
going to feel like [bleep].
906
00:38:06,118 --> 00:38:07,217
It should feel like [bleep].
907
00:38:07,286 --> 00:38:09,486
- It should.
- It should.
908
00:38:09,554 --> 00:38:13,223
You were using your maturity,
as a grown adult
909
00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:16,459
to mind [bleep]
a 16-year-old boy.
910
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,135
- I came on here to do this
because I love my daughter.
911
00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:28,838
I want to finally come clean.
912
00:38:28,907 --> 00:38:33,610
I just--I'm so sorry.
913
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,347
I am sorry.
914
00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:39,282
- We'll say good-bye for now,
I guess.
915
00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:42,619
- All right, guys.
916
00:38:42,688 --> 00:38:44,888
- See you.
- Bye.
917
00:38:44,956 --> 00:38:46,256
- Thank you.
918
00:38:46,325 --> 00:38:47,724
[computer chimes]
919
00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:49,025
- I mean, you know what?
920
00:38:49,094 --> 00:38:51,361
People always ask, like,
"What's the craziest,
921
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:53,596
weirdest thing
that you've seen on your show?"
922
00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:55,665
And this might be
the new answer for that.
923
00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:57,734
- I just hope Paul is okay.
924
00:38:57,803 --> 00:39:01,438
- So let's bring Paul and Sam
back in now.
925
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:02,839
[computer chimes]
926
00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:05,675
- Y'all...did you tell her?
927
00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:06,976
- That took quite a turn.
928
00:39:07,045 --> 00:39:11,314
- Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
- Yeah. That's...
929
00:39:11,383 --> 00:39:13,717
- Paul, how do you feel?
- Disgusted...
930
00:39:13,785 --> 00:39:17,487
to the point is where I didn't
want to disrespect her too much
931
00:39:17,556 --> 00:39:19,923
in front of her daughter,
just because of the simple fact
932
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:23,360
that that's degrading
for her too.
933
00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:26,396
But honestly, I'm disgusted.
I'm not angry. I'm disgusted.
934
00:39:26,465 --> 00:39:28,732
- Yeah.
935
00:39:31,236 --> 00:39:33,536
♪ ♪
936
00:39:33,605 --> 00:39:35,205
- If there's anything
that we get out of this,
937
00:39:35,273 --> 00:39:37,974
it's for you guys to move on,
not from Caitea,
938
00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:39,576
but just with each other,
939
00:39:39,644 --> 00:39:42,312
and being closer and more
communicative and sharing more.
940
00:39:53,525 --> 00:39:56,326
- Ohh.
941
00:39:56,395 --> 00:39:59,295
- It's okay.
942
00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:01,431
I love you.
943
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:02,565
- Listen, I don't know
the ins and outs
944
00:40:02,634 --> 00:40:04,100
of you guys' relationship,
945
00:40:04,169 --> 00:40:06,603
but we got to get you two
down the [bleep] aisle.
946
00:40:06,671 --> 00:40:09,406
I'm ready for a wedding.
Come on.
947
00:40:09,474 --> 00:40:13,343
You've got three kids together,
eight years together.
948
00:40:13,412 --> 00:40:15,612
Let's get the white dress,
and let's go.
949
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,249
- Thanks for letting us into
this weird, wild, wacky story.
950
00:40:19,317 --> 00:40:22,118
- Thank you.
- Thank you, you guys.
951
00:40:22,187 --> 00:40:23,820
- [inaudible].
- Good luck.
952
00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:25,622
- Bye.
- Bye.
953
00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:28,291
- ♪ It's a brand-new start ♪
954
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,928
♪ A brand-new start ♪
955
00:40:31,997 --> 00:40:33,630
♪ A brand-new start ♪
956
00:40:33,698 --> 00:40:38,835
♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh,
it's a brand-new start ♪
957
00:40:38,904 --> 00:40:42,205
♪ A brand-new start ♪
958
00:40:42,274 --> 00:40:45,875
♪ A brand-new start ♪