1 00:00:01,102 --> 00:00:02,801 - Ten years ago, Paul met Caitea. 2 00:00:02,870 --> 00:00:04,603 They planned to move in together. 3 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,439 But on the day of the move, she stood him up. 4 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:08,640 - I fell for her. I really did. 5 00:00:08,709 --> 00:00:10,809 Ten years later, I still think about it. 6 00:00:12,046 --> 00:00:14,847 He's not over her. - Whoa. "Caitea is a catfish." 7 00:00:14,915 --> 00:00:17,916 - I mean, this is-- it's honestly embarrassing. 8 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:20,285 - Caitea just texted me, "What's the Zoom link?" 9 00:00:20,354 --> 00:00:21,787 - Oh, [bleep]. 10 00:00:21,856 --> 00:00:23,088 - I'm literally shaking. 11 00:00:23,391 --> 00:00:25,190 [computer chimes] 12 00:00:25,259 --> 00:00:27,159 [dramatic musical sting] 13 00:00:27,228 --> 00:00:31,330 [upbeat music] 14 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:36,435 - It's time to get to work. 15 00:00:36,504 --> 00:00:38,937 [laughs] 16 00:00:39,006 --> 00:00:41,140 Bejeweled mask. Wow. 17 00:00:41,208 --> 00:00:44,510 - Listen. The cases of COVID are surging. 18 00:00:44,578 --> 00:00:47,046 And if I'm gonna have to be in this [bleep], 19 00:00:47,114 --> 00:00:48,714 I'm gonna make it glam. 20 00:00:48,783 --> 00:00:51,683 - But you know that is not a mask alternative. 21 00:00:51,752 --> 00:00:54,653 That is a supplement to wearing a mask. 22 00:00:54,722 --> 00:00:57,222 - Yes, CDC Nev. 23 00:00:57,291 --> 00:00:59,358 I didn't realize you were Dr. Fauci. 24 00:00:59,427 --> 00:01:00,492 - All right, let's see. 25 00:01:00,561 --> 00:01:04,196 We got an email here from Samantha. 26 00:01:04,265 --> 00:01:06,331 "I never thought I'd be writing to you. 27 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,368 "But you guys sometimes have people reach out 28 00:01:09,437 --> 00:01:11,437 "on behalf of someone else, 29 00:01:11,505 --> 00:01:15,707 and that's what I'm doing for my fiancé, Paul." 30 00:01:15,776 --> 00:01:18,811 - ♪ Something's happening here ♪ 31 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:20,646 - "We've been together for eight years 32 00:01:20,714 --> 00:01:23,482 "and have three beautiful children. 33 00:01:23,551 --> 00:01:28,153 "But recently I heard him bring up a girl from his past: 34 00:01:28,222 --> 00:01:30,389 "his first love, Caitea. 35 00:01:30,458 --> 00:01:32,257 "They met on Xbox, 36 00:01:32,326 --> 00:01:34,393 and they were together for two years." 37 00:01:34,462 --> 00:01:37,830 - ♪ Something is happening here ♪ 38 00:01:37,898 --> 00:01:39,298 - "They planned to move in together. 39 00:01:39,366 --> 00:01:42,334 "But on the day of the move, she stood him up. 40 00:01:42,403 --> 00:01:44,369 That was that, and he moved on with his life." 41 00:01:44,438 --> 00:01:48,874 ♪ ♪ 42 00:01:48,943 --> 00:01:52,010 "But recently I found out that Paul has searched 43 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:55,681 "for her online and messaged her. 44 00:01:55,749 --> 00:01:58,016 "Apparently, she said they had never talked before. 45 00:01:58,085 --> 00:02:03,355 - ♪ I've never felt so certain never felt so clear ♪ 46 00:02:03,424 --> 00:02:04,356 - "This threw Paul for a loop. 47 00:02:04,425 --> 00:02:05,724 "He can't let it go. 48 00:02:05,793 --> 00:02:07,426 "And honestly, I'm tired of hearing about it. 49 00:02:07,495 --> 00:02:09,528 "I think that if he realizes 50 00:02:09,597 --> 00:02:11,797 "once and for all that he was catfished, 51 00:02:11,866 --> 00:02:13,532 "he can deal with it and move on. 52 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:16,335 "I'm hoping you guys can help open his eyes 53 00:02:16,403 --> 00:02:18,370 "and get this girl out of his thoughts 54 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:21,106 "and out of our lives forever. 55 00:02:21,175 --> 00:02:22,508 Thanks. Sam." 56 00:02:22,576 --> 00:02:26,612 - ♪ Something is happening here ♪ 57 00:02:29,049 --> 00:02:33,118 - Samantha sounds like she is very confident in her man. 58 00:02:33,187 --> 00:02:34,887 But you got to watch your confidence 59 00:02:34,955 --> 00:02:37,422 when you're trying to hook your fiancé up 60 00:02:37,491 --> 00:02:40,559 with potentially, like, the love of his life. What? 61 00:02:40,628 --> 00:02:42,294 - Right. Let's reach out to Samantha 62 00:02:42,363 --> 00:02:44,396 and get a little bit more info. 63 00:02:44,465 --> 00:02:46,398 As someone who was catfished, 64 00:02:46,467 --> 00:02:49,601 had I never gone and found out who I was talking to, 65 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:52,070 I would definitely always still be wondering. 66 00:02:52,139 --> 00:02:53,839 I get why he's still curious. 67 00:02:53,908 --> 00:02:56,942 Getting an answer to that might be a very satisfying 68 00:02:57,011 --> 00:03:00,145 and chapter-closing resolution. 69 00:03:00,214 --> 00:03:01,346 [computer chimes] Oh. 70 00:03:01,415 --> 00:03:04,550 - Hey, Samantha. - Hey. 71 00:03:04,618 --> 00:03:07,052 - How are you? - Good. How are you? 72 00:03:07,121 --> 00:03:08,487 - Great. - Good. 73 00:03:08,556 --> 00:03:11,056 - Where do you live? - We live in Holly, Michigan. 74 00:03:11,125 --> 00:03:14,960 - Together eight years. Three kids. not married yet? 75 00:03:15,029 --> 00:03:16,929 - What is going on? 76 00:03:16,997 --> 00:03:19,264 - So I had, like, this weird marriage. 77 00:03:19,333 --> 00:03:22,501 - Oh, so you're the one who's been sort of avoiding it. 78 00:03:22,570 --> 00:03:24,503 - Yeah. - Oh, wow. 79 00:03:24,572 --> 00:03:26,471 'Cause I was about to [bleep] all over Paul 80 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:29,541 for not marrying you already, but now, okay. 81 00:03:29,610 --> 00:03:31,143 - So what's up with Caitea? 82 00:03:31,212 --> 00:03:33,745 - Okay, so a few weeks ago, 83 00:03:33,814 --> 00:03:35,948 we were all, you know, sitting on the couch. 84 00:03:36,016 --> 00:03:38,450 And he's scrolling through his Instagram. 85 00:03:38,519 --> 00:03:42,654 And this lovely female pops up. 86 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:44,523 I'm like, "Uh-uh." - Wait. 87 00:03:44,592 --> 00:03:46,158 So, this is--we're talking about the same girl, Caitea? 88 00:03:46,227 --> 00:03:48,927 - Yes. Like, why is she popping up on your news feeds? 89 00:03:48,996 --> 00:03:50,762 Obviously, you guys are friends. 90 00:03:50,831 --> 00:03:52,164 - Mm-hmm. 91 00:03:52,233 --> 00:03:54,700 - So he actually told me he had messaged her, 92 00:03:54,768 --> 00:03:59,571 and she acted like she had no idea who Paul was. 93 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,673 - Hmm. - Something somewhere is wrong. 94 00:04:01,742 --> 00:04:03,508 - And so why wasn't that just the end of it? 95 00:04:03,577 --> 00:04:06,411 - Because I just want to move on with our lives. 96 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,113 She was Paul's first love. 97 00:04:08,182 --> 00:04:10,282 If she is real, then she's real. 98 00:04:10,351 --> 00:04:11,617 If she's not, then she's not. 99 00:04:11,685 --> 00:04:13,485 You need to put all this in the past. 100 00:04:13,554 --> 00:04:16,855 But if she is who she says she is, 101 00:04:16,924 --> 00:04:21,059 would Paul regret not keeping in touch with her? 102 00:04:21,128 --> 00:04:23,328 I don't know. 103 00:04:23,397 --> 00:04:25,063 - But be honest, Samantha. 104 00:04:25,132 --> 00:04:29,167 Like, do you want for Caitea to be a catfish? 105 00:04:29,236 --> 00:04:31,737 - Yeah. I--I really do. 106 00:04:31,805 --> 00:04:35,807 - But what if this girl Caitea is real? 107 00:04:35,876 --> 00:04:37,909 We could potentially be connecting them. 108 00:04:37,978 --> 00:04:40,545 - I guess it's a chance that I'm willing to take. 109 00:04:40,614 --> 00:04:41,813 - So, what's up with Paul? 110 00:04:41,882 --> 00:04:43,515 Does he know that you reached out to us? 111 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:45,917 - He knows his girlfriend's a straight up savage. 112 00:04:45,986 --> 00:04:48,453 And he knows when I want answers I will stop 113 00:04:48,522 --> 00:04:50,022 at nothing to get my answers. 114 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:52,791 I told him I had contacted you guys. 115 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:54,893 He's actually in our bedroom. 116 00:04:54,962 --> 00:04:58,263 - Well, get him out here. - All right. 117 00:04:58,332 --> 00:05:01,300 Hold on, guys. 118 00:05:01,368 --> 00:05:02,567 Babe. 119 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:04,736 - Ooh. - [laughs] 120 00:05:04,805 --> 00:05:07,572 - Oh, my God. - [laughs] 121 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:12,277 - Okay. [bleep]. - [laughs] 122 00:05:12,346 --> 00:05:13,312 Hi. 123 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:15,347 - Hey. - Hi, Paul. 124 00:05:15,416 --> 00:05:17,449 - How you doing? - Good. 125 00:05:17,518 --> 00:05:19,318 - Good. You know we are, right? 126 00:05:19,386 --> 00:05:20,519 - Yeah, I've seen you before. 127 00:05:20,587 --> 00:05:21,853 - Okay, cool. 128 00:05:21,922 --> 00:05:23,588 First of all, it's always a little awkward 129 00:05:23,657 --> 00:05:25,824 talking about exes with your current, 130 00:05:25,893 --> 00:05:28,160 you know, girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, whatever. 131 00:05:28,228 --> 00:05:31,496 How is this affecting you guys? Or is it affecting you guys? 132 00:05:31,565 --> 00:05:34,633 - No. Not at all. 133 00:05:34,702 --> 00:05:35,867 - She seems to think, I guess, it is a little bit. 134 00:05:35,936 --> 00:05:38,637 - Samantha's face says differently. 135 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:40,005 [laughs] 136 00:05:40,074 --> 00:05:41,873 - She's not too happy with it. That's for sure. 137 00:05:41,942 --> 00:05:44,609 - I don't know if you maybe want to tell Samantha 138 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:47,612 how you feel about her. 139 00:05:47,681 --> 00:05:50,882 - She pretty much already knows how I feel about her. 140 00:05:50,951 --> 00:05:53,485 - I know he loves me, and I know he cares about me, 141 00:05:53,554 --> 00:05:57,322 and I know he wants to be with me. 142 00:05:57,391 --> 00:05:58,757 So... 143 00:05:58,826 --> 00:06:00,492 - [laughs] - [laughs] 144 00:06:00,561 --> 00:06:03,929 - Is that all true? - Yeah, that's true. 145 00:06:03,997 --> 00:06:06,398 Yeah, I love her. Of course I do. 146 00:06:06,467 --> 00:06:07,899 I've been with her for eight years. 147 00:06:09,436 --> 00:06:10,902 - [laughs] 148 00:06:10,971 --> 00:06:12,270 - Obviously, we do need to hear more 149 00:06:12,339 --> 00:06:14,773 about this whole story and kind of how it all started. 150 00:06:14,842 --> 00:06:18,944 - Okay. So I'm going to let him take over. 151 00:06:19,012 --> 00:06:20,245 Thanks, guys. 152 00:06:20,314 --> 00:06:21,680 - Thanks, Samantha. 153 00:06:21,749 --> 00:06:24,149 - Love you, babe. - Love you. 154 00:06:24,218 --> 00:06:25,617 - We love her. 155 00:06:25,686 --> 00:06:27,085 We love Samantha. 156 00:06:27,154 --> 00:06:28,920 - She's a fun time; that's for sure. 157 00:06:28,989 --> 00:06:30,722 [laughter] 158 00:06:30,791 --> 00:06:32,657 - So what's the deal with this girl Caitea? 159 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:33,658 And so how old were you? You were-- 160 00:06:33,727 --> 00:06:35,093 - 16 when we first met. 161 00:06:35,162 --> 00:06:36,595 - Were you living in Michigan at the time? 162 00:06:36,663 --> 00:06:38,096 - Yeah. I was living in Michigan. 163 00:06:38,165 --> 00:06:40,332 - Where did Caitea live? - She lived in Tampa, Florida. 164 00:06:40,401 --> 00:06:42,601 - Okay. So you're on Xbox, 165 00:06:42,669 --> 00:06:45,070 and you see that there's this girl named Caitea. 166 00:06:45,139 --> 00:06:46,138 - Yeah. 167 00:06:46,206 --> 00:06:47,506 - How did that progress from there? 168 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:48,840 - Then we exchanged phone numbers, 169 00:06:48,909 --> 00:06:50,075 and we were always on the phone together. 170 00:06:50,144 --> 00:06:51,209 I mean, we just started talking every day. 171 00:06:51,278 --> 00:06:52,711 I mean, it was nonstop. 172 00:06:52,780 --> 00:06:55,881 I mean, l we had a phone call for 32 hours at one point. 173 00:06:55,949 --> 00:06:57,549 I mean, 32 hours. 174 00:06:57,618 --> 00:06:58,550 - What? - What? 175 00:06:58,619 --> 00:06:59,918 - I mean, it was days. 176 00:06:59,987 --> 00:07:03,155 - What made you keep talking to her for 32 hours 177 00:07:03,223 --> 00:07:04,556 at any given time? 178 00:07:04,625 --> 00:07:08,260 - She was sweet. She's nice. She had a good sense of humor. 179 00:07:08,328 --> 00:07:10,796 You know what I mean? We clicked, man, instantly. 180 00:07:10,864 --> 00:07:12,531 I fell for her. I really did. 181 00:07:12,599 --> 00:07:14,366 - And-- and were you guys in love? 182 00:07:14,435 --> 00:07:15,901 Did you say that you loved her? 183 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:18,937 - I did. Oh, I loved her. I loved her. 184 00:07:19,006 --> 00:07:22,340 I was with her constantly on the phone. 185 00:07:22,409 --> 00:07:24,276 It was a difficult time too. 186 00:07:24,344 --> 00:07:27,045 I got made fun of a lot. 187 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:29,915 So I just quit school and started working. 188 00:07:29,983 --> 00:07:31,416 - Okay, so you guys are talking. 189 00:07:31,485 --> 00:07:32,818 Are you sending each other pictures? 190 00:07:32,886 --> 00:07:34,152 - I mean, she sent me pictures every day. 191 00:07:34,221 --> 00:07:36,254 I mean, she even sent me packages in the mail. 192 00:07:36,323 --> 00:07:40,025 She was sending me Xboxes and iPods and video games 193 00:07:40,093 --> 00:07:41,560 before they even hit the shelves. 194 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:42,828 - What? - What do you know about her? 195 00:07:42,896 --> 00:07:44,296 Like, does she come from a lot of money? 196 00:07:44,364 --> 00:07:46,531 - She told me her parents had died in a car wreck. 197 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,166 She said she had life insurance money. 198 00:07:48,235 --> 00:07:51,436 And she said she had modeled and [bleep] like that. 199 00:07:51,505 --> 00:07:53,405 - But if she has all these tech gadgets, 200 00:07:53,474 --> 00:07:56,842 she doesn't have a video camera for her computer? 201 00:07:56,910 --> 00:07:58,310 - We always argued about it, 'cause I would always be, 202 00:07:58,378 --> 00:08:01,046 like, download Skype. It was always an excuse. 203 00:08:01,114 --> 00:08:04,716 She was busy or her software couldn't handle it. 204 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:05,917 I mean, I was young. 205 00:08:05,986 --> 00:08:07,252 I was like, "Okay. I understand." 206 00:08:07,321 --> 00:08:08,720 I mean, it was a really long time in my life 207 00:08:08,789 --> 00:08:10,655 that I had put up towards this girl. 208 00:08:10,724 --> 00:08:11,957 I mean, two years--I mean, 209 00:08:12,025 --> 00:08:13,458 I didn't do nothing for two years. 210 00:08:13,527 --> 00:08:14,926 - And so what happened? Samantha told us 211 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:17,429 that you guys had planned on moving in together? 212 00:08:17,498 --> 00:08:18,864 Was she gonna move to Michigan, 213 00:08:18,932 --> 00:08:20,465 or were you supposed to move to Florida? 214 00:08:20,534 --> 00:08:22,367 - I was gonna go down there and stay for a little bit 215 00:08:22,436 --> 00:08:23,969 and see how it worked out. 216 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:26,304 And if it worked out, I was gonna stay. 217 00:08:26,373 --> 00:08:29,341 She never came. She wouldn't answer her phone. 218 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:31,610 I was absolutely pissed. 219 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:34,346 - Did she just stop contacting you after she stood you up? 220 00:08:34,414 --> 00:08:36,448 - I mean, we stopped contacting each other. 221 00:08:36,517 --> 00:08:39,017 And she hit me up probably, like, a year after. 222 00:08:39,086 --> 00:08:41,486 She was trying to talk to me and stuff like that. 223 00:08:41,555 --> 00:08:43,989 At that point, I was just like, "I'm busy." 224 00:08:44,057 --> 00:08:46,024 - Wow. Okay, so she reached back out to you 225 00:08:46,093 --> 00:08:48,093 well after you guys had sort of broken up. 226 00:08:48,161 --> 00:08:49,895 - Yes. - And was that the last time 227 00:08:49,963 --> 00:08:52,464 you had communication with her? - Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. 228 00:08:52,533 --> 00:08:53,999 - Until kind of recently, 229 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:55,500 when you went back and looked at her-- 230 00:08:55,569 --> 00:08:56,968 - Oh, yeah. 231 00:08:57,037 --> 00:08:58,336 I went and looked for her about six months ago. 232 00:08:58,405 --> 00:09:00,205 And I ended up finding an Instagram page. 233 00:09:00,274 --> 00:09:01,840 I was like, "Hey. How you doing? What's up?" 234 00:09:01,909 --> 00:09:03,475 And she was like, "I don't know you." 235 00:09:03,544 --> 00:09:06,044 And I'm like, "What do you mean you don't know me?" 236 00:09:06,113 --> 00:09:08,213 - But do you think it's just because she feels slighted, 237 00:09:08,282 --> 00:09:10,181 because the last time you talked, you were like, 238 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:12,617 "I gotta go. Bye"? - Probably. Probably. 239 00:09:12,686 --> 00:09:14,653 - So, she could be just being petty. 240 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:15,787 - That's pretty much what I think it is, 241 00:09:15,856 --> 00:09:17,122 is her just being petty. 242 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:18,957 - So wait, so you follow her on Instagram. 243 00:09:19,026 --> 00:09:20,258 - Oh, I don't anymore, 'cause I can't find it. 244 00:09:20,327 --> 00:09:21,960 I looked for her the other day, 245 00:09:22,029 --> 00:09:24,162 and I couldn't find her. 246 00:09:24,231 --> 00:09:26,131 - But wait a second; let me just make one thing clear. 247 00:09:26,199 --> 00:09:29,968 Is it possible that someone who knew Caitea 248 00:09:30,037 --> 00:09:34,105 just basically made a fake profile, met some guy, 249 00:09:34,174 --> 00:09:36,908 and sort of started this flirtation, and when he said, 250 00:09:36,977 --> 00:09:38,677 "Hey, send me a picture," she was just like, 251 00:09:38,745 --> 00:09:40,879 "I'll just send a picture of my friend Caitea." 252 00:09:40,948 --> 00:09:42,414 - I mean, there was honestly too many pictures. 253 00:09:42,482 --> 00:09:44,616 I mean, there were provocative pictures she had sent me. 254 00:09:44,685 --> 00:09:47,285 - Full nude? - Yeah. 255 00:09:47,354 --> 00:09:48,653 - What? 256 00:09:48,722 --> 00:09:50,055 - With her face in it? 257 00:09:50,123 --> 00:09:51,489 - With her face and her whole body. 258 00:09:51,558 --> 00:09:52,924 I mean, whole body. 259 00:09:52,993 --> 00:09:54,726 - And they didn't have OnlyFans back then. 260 00:09:54,795 --> 00:09:56,461 - Yeah. 261 00:09:56,530 --> 00:09:57,996 Like, I mean, I don't see how it really couldn't be her. 262 00:09:58,065 --> 00:09:59,598 I mean, it has to be. 263 00:09:59,666 --> 00:10:02,734 - What photos do you have? - I have one. Yeah, I have one. 264 00:10:02,803 --> 00:10:05,670 - Can we see the pictures? 265 00:10:05,739 --> 00:10:08,473 - That be her. That's her now. 266 00:10:08,542 --> 00:10:09,941 - That's a more recent photo 267 00:10:10,010 --> 00:10:11,743 that you took off of, like, her Instagram? 268 00:10:11,812 --> 00:10:13,979 - Yep. - Interesting. Okay. 269 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:18,750 - And that was her back then. - Oh, the Myspace angle. 270 00:10:18,819 --> 00:10:21,019 - Yeah. - [exhales] 271 00:10:21,088 --> 00:10:22,487 I mean, it sucks that, like, 272 00:10:22,556 --> 00:10:27,225 your first experience with love was, like, so great 273 00:10:27,294 --> 00:10:29,894 but also had such a [bleep] ending. 274 00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:31,563 - Ten years later, I mean, there will be a day-- 275 00:10:31,632 --> 00:10:33,598 you know, a random day where I just think about her. 276 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:34,966 - But you don't tell Sam. 277 00:10:35,035 --> 00:10:36,434 - She knows I do think about her. 278 00:10:36,503 --> 00:10:37,969 And I think that makes her mad, and I think that causes 279 00:10:38,038 --> 00:10:40,705 a blockage in our relationship. I honestly do. 280 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:45,043 - And you obviously know that Samantha has her own feelings 281 00:10:45,112 --> 00:10:48,179 and hesitations with marriage. 282 00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:50,815 - Yeah. I can understand her feelings any day. 283 00:10:50,884 --> 00:10:54,619 - This could be a really big thing for her. 284 00:10:54,688 --> 00:10:56,021 - Right. 285 00:10:56,089 --> 00:10:58,957 - We need to put this whole Caitea situation 286 00:10:59,026 --> 00:11:00,892 in the rearview mirror for good. 287 00:11:00,961 --> 00:11:02,827 - Yeah. Definitely. It's been ten years. 288 00:11:02,896 --> 00:11:04,929 I mean, it needs to come. It does. 289 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:07,198 - All right, so send us that info. 290 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:09,267 We're gonna do some research, and as soon as we find 291 00:11:09,336 --> 00:11:11,069 something, we will let you know. 292 00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:12,704 - All right. I got you. - We'll talk in a little bit. 293 00:11:12,773 --> 00:11:14,806 - All right. - Bye. 294 00:11:14,875 --> 00:11:16,841 Mm-hmm-hmm-hmm. 295 00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:18,309 He's not over Caitea. 296 00:11:18,378 --> 00:11:20,045 He's not over her. 297 00:11:20,113 --> 00:11:24,315 This is clearly the issue that is keeping Paul and Sam 298 00:11:24,384 --> 00:11:25,784 from being able to, like, 299 00:11:25,852 --> 00:11:29,721 take that next step and move their asses down the aisle. 300 00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:31,656 - Feels like there are two issues here. 301 00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:34,359 One is whether or not Caitea is real. 302 00:11:34,428 --> 00:11:37,228 But more importantly, it feels like the future 303 00:11:37,297 --> 00:11:40,999 for Sam and Paul is teetering on this issue. 304 00:11:41,068 --> 00:11:44,269 - How are they gonna be able to move forward together 305 00:11:44,337 --> 00:11:47,005 if we don't find some kind of answer? 306 00:11:50,977 --> 00:11:52,110 - Ready to investigate. 307 00:11:52,179 --> 00:11:53,678 [computer chimes] There she is. 308 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:55,914 - I'm here. Present. 309 00:11:55,982 --> 00:12:00,151 - All right, here we go. We got a real situation here. 310 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:03,521 Ten years ago, Paul met Caitea. 311 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:05,223 It was Paul's first love. 312 00:12:05,292 --> 00:12:07,292 He was totally head over heels for this girl. 313 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,061 Then she broke his heart and stood him up. 314 00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:13,164 Paul finally got over it, met Samantha. 315 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:15,700 He hasn't forgotten about this girl. 316 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:17,202 - I don't want to be messy. 317 00:12:17,270 --> 00:12:20,205 But I asked Paul to tell us how he felt about Sam, 318 00:12:20,273 --> 00:12:22,073 and he was like, "She knows how I feel about her." 319 00:12:22,142 --> 00:12:24,642 But when we asked how he felt about Caitea, 320 00:12:24,711 --> 00:12:26,211 he couldn't keep his mouth shut. 321 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:28,680 - I know. This is, like, the moment for Paul 322 00:12:28,749 --> 00:12:31,816 to finally leave his adolescence 323 00:12:31,885 --> 00:12:34,252 and, like, become a man. 324 00:12:34,321 --> 00:12:37,355 So let's do this here. He sent us the info. 325 00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:40,358 Okay, so her full name is Caitea [bleep]. 326 00:12:40,427 --> 00:12:45,563 - No one is named that. No one is named Caitea. 327 00:12:45,632 --> 00:12:47,132 No one. That's not a name. 328 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,466 - Right. Anyway, she lives in Florida. 329 00:12:48,535 --> 00:12:50,602 And then here are the two pictures. 330 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:51,936 So here she is. 331 00:12:52,005 --> 00:12:53,505 And then here's this one more recent. 332 00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:55,807 Yeah, definitely the same girl. Let's run the pictures. 333 00:12:55,876 --> 00:12:57,809 Let's--let's--let's do a little image search. 334 00:12:57,878 --> 00:13:01,146 Here we go. 335 00:13:03,316 --> 00:13:05,817 All right, so that picture does not come back with anything. 336 00:13:05,886 --> 00:13:09,120 And this one--oh, we got a hit. 337 00:13:09,189 --> 00:13:11,589 It links to this Facebook page. 338 00:13:11,658 --> 00:13:13,158 Whoa. Whoa. 339 00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:15,160 - Wedding photo. 340 00:13:15,228 --> 00:13:18,196 Oh, my God. - That's her. 341 00:13:18,265 --> 00:13:20,131 Katy [bleep], same last name. 342 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,634 It's spelled K-A-T-Y, which makes more sense. 343 00:13:22,702 --> 00:13:23,768 Here's her profile pic 344 00:13:23,837 --> 00:13:26,070 from October 25th, so not long ago. 345 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:28,039 I mean, a bunch of people commenting, 346 00:13:28,108 --> 00:13:30,141 all very happy for her. 347 00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:32,277 This, to me, feels like a real person. 348 00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:35,547 The question now isn't whether this is a real Katy. 349 00:13:35,615 --> 00:13:36,848 It's whether or not this 350 00:13:36,917 --> 00:13:38,183 is who he was talking to ten years ago. 351 00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:40,752 - Agreed. - So either he was 352 00:13:40,821 --> 00:13:42,120 and now she's just moved on 353 00:13:42,189 --> 00:13:44,455 and doesn't want to talk to him anymore. 354 00:13:44,524 --> 00:13:48,393 Or someone who knows her copycatted her life back then. 355 00:13:48,461 --> 00:13:51,162 - Because Paul has nude photos of he. 356 00:13:51,231 --> 00:13:52,931 Who would have her nude photos? 357 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:54,699 Maybe we should just message her 358 00:13:54,768 --> 00:13:56,367 and see what's up with her. 359 00:13:56,436 --> 00:14:00,638 - "Hey, Katy. Wondering if you have 2 minutes 360 00:14:00,707 --> 00:14:02,774 to help clear something up." 361 00:14:02,843 --> 00:14:04,542 All right. So yeah, 362 00:14:04,611 --> 00:14:06,511 I don't know what else there is to do, because-- 363 00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:08,379 - We haven't searched her full name. 364 00:14:08,448 --> 00:14:09,614 - Oh, just, like, a Google search? 365 00:14:09,683 --> 00:14:10,715 Yeah, that's a good idea. 366 00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:12,550 - Yeah. - How should I spell it? 367 00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:17,255 Caitea [bleep]. Whoa. What's this? A Reddit. 368 00:14:17,324 --> 00:14:20,358 Someone started a thread called Caitea [bleep] is a catfish. 369 00:14:20,427 --> 00:14:21,659 - [gasps] 370 00:14:21,728 --> 00:14:23,695 Ooh. 371 00:14:23,763 --> 00:14:25,563 - If you're talking to Caitea on "Call of Duty," 372 00:14:25,632 --> 00:14:27,498 you're being catfished, and then they... 373 00:14:27,567 --> 00:14:30,168 - What did I say? - Put her Facebook. 374 00:14:30,237 --> 00:14:32,470 Wait, so does this mean that this is a fake page? 375 00:14:32,539 --> 00:14:35,506 Okay, so obviously there's an internet trail about... 376 00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:37,175 [phone chiming] Oh. 377 00:14:37,244 --> 00:14:41,679 Hold on, I'm getting a phone call from Akron. 378 00:14:41,748 --> 00:14:43,948 Hello--hello. 379 00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:46,818 - Yeah, hey. Who's this? 380 00:14:46,887 --> 00:14:49,487 - Katy. What's up? 381 00:14:51,958 --> 00:14:53,091 - It's going great. 382 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:58,296 Do you have any idea why I reached out? 383 00:14:58,365 --> 00:15:02,867 - So we're trying to help this guy who ten years ago 384 00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:07,272 met a girl on Xbox named Caitea [bleep]. 385 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:10,541 And he thinks you're that girl. 386 00:15:23,757 --> 00:15:26,391 - Okay. Did you ever talk to a guy named Paul? 387 00:15:36,469 --> 00:15:37,902 - Wow. 388 00:15:41,574 --> 00:15:44,275 - So--'cause this guy Paul says he found 389 00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:46,277 an Instagram account earlier this year 390 00:15:46,346 --> 00:15:50,048 and messaged it and just said, "Hey, it's me. How are you?" 391 00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:51,683 And the person wrote back and said, 392 00:15:51,751 --> 00:15:53,751 "I don't know who you are. We've never talked. 393 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:55,486 Was that you?" 394 00:15:59,793 --> 00:16:02,360 Can you get on a Zoom quickly, just so we can see your face 395 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:04,262 and confirm exactly who you are? 396 00:16:07,934 --> 00:16:11,135 - Okay. 397 00:16:11,204 --> 00:16:12,503 - Okay. Yeah. 398 00:16:12,572 --> 00:16:14,072 - I mean, I had to ask you to do that, 399 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:15,206 but it would just be helpful, just so we-- 400 00:16:15,275 --> 00:16:16,341 - Okay, great. - Not a problem. 401 00:16:16,409 --> 00:16:17,475 - Here's a question that-- 402 00:16:17,544 --> 00:16:19,978 that's a little bit uncomfortable. 403 00:16:20,046 --> 00:16:23,381 Paul, he got nude photos of you. 404 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:24,782 - Is there anyone that would have 405 00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:27,752 or might have at some point had nude photos of you? 406 00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:38,363 - Okay, so we're talking about, like, obviously, an ex. 407 00:16:42,802 --> 00:16:44,002 - Okay. Okay. We'll be in touch. 408 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:45,870 But thank you so much. 409 00:16:45,939 --> 00:16:48,272 - Bye. 410 00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:50,208 - What do you think? Do you believe her? 411 00:16:50,276 --> 00:16:52,176 - I mean, I don't have a reason not to. 412 00:16:52,245 --> 00:16:55,446 - I mean, her story seems to make sense to me. 413 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:58,449 [computer chimes] Oh, she just sent a video. 414 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,885 - Hi, my name is Katy, and I never talked 415 00:17:00,954 --> 00:17:02,720 to a guy named Paul on Xbox. 416 00:17:02,789 --> 00:17:05,690 - There it is. All right. We got--we got to talk to Paul. 417 00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:07,525 - Yeah. - So I think it's safe to say 418 00:17:07,594 --> 00:17:09,861 he was not talking to the girl in the pictures. 419 00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:11,295 Her name is not Caitea. 420 00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:12,897 I mean, it could be, but it probably isn't, 421 00:17:12,966 --> 00:17:15,299 because they clearly were impersonating the real Katy. 422 00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,035 - Yeah. But he was in love 423 00:17:17,103 --> 00:17:18,770 with someone. - Yeah. 424 00:17:18,838 --> 00:17:19,937 - Who is the person? 425 00:17:20,006 --> 00:17:21,739 Where are they? 426 00:17:23,209 --> 00:17:24,475 - All right. So here's what we got. 427 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:27,979 We've now talked to the Katy from the Facebook page 428 00:17:28,048 --> 00:17:30,481 that has the name and pictures of the Caitea 429 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:32,283 that Paul thinks he's talking to. 430 00:17:32,352 --> 00:17:34,385 But she's never talked to a guy named Paul. 431 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:37,255 So that means that whoever Paul was talking to 432 00:17:37,323 --> 00:17:40,158 was using Katy's name and pictures. 433 00:17:40,226 --> 00:17:41,759 And it's got to be someone close to her, 434 00:17:41,828 --> 00:17:44,929 because they're sending nude photos of Katy. 435 00:17:44,998 --> 00:17:46,230 - Right. 436 00:17:46,299 --> 00:17:49,167 - I think we should get Paul back on. 437 00:17:57,043 --> 00:17:58,242 - He said, "Okay, we're here." 438 00:17:58,311 --> 00:18:00,078 I guess Sam is back. 439 00:18:00,146 --> 00:18:01,646 [computer chimes] - Oh. 440 00:18:01,714 --> 00:18:02,980 - Hey. - Hey. 441 00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:04,248 - Hey. - How you doing? 442 00:18:04,317 --> 00:18:05,783 - What's up? 443 00:18:05,852 --> 00:18:07,485 Well, we've got an update. 444 00:18:07,554 --> 00:18:09,854 I'm gonna share my screen. 445 00:18:09,923 --> 00:18:12,056 - Okay. - We went through her photos, 446 00:18:12,125 --> 00:18:15,893 and we did an image search, and we got a hit. 447 00:18:15,962 --> 00:18:17,061 It brought us to this profile. 448 00:18:18,798 --> 00:18:20,531 Katy [bleep]. 449 00:18:22,168 --> 00:18:25,236 It certainly looks as though Katy has been married 450 00:18:25,305 --> 00:18:26,737 as of October. 451 00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:29,841 I mean, like, you know, it seems pretty legit. 452 00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:32,009 [somber piano music] 453 00:18:32,078 --> 00:18:34,846 - Okay. 454 00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:38,015 ♪ ♪ 455 00:18:38,084 --> 00:18:39,717 - So we messaged Katy. 456 00:18:39,786 --> 00:18:41,419 Here's where it gets more interesting. 457 00:18:41,488 --> 00:18:43,688 When we just Googled "Caitea [bleep]," 458 00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:46,257 you can see here there's a Reddit page that says, 459 00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:48,226 "Caitea [bleep] is a catfish." 460 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:52,130 [tense music] 461 00:18:52,198 --> 00:18:54,699 - Look at Sam. Sam. 462 00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:58,169 Sam just had the most gratifying smile on her face. 463 00:18:58,238 --> 00:19:00,304 ♪ ♪ 464 00:19:00,373 --> 00:19:03,541 - Now, this isn't proof that she's fake. 465 00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:05,676 But it certainly raises some red flags. 466 00:19:05,745 --> 00:19:08,412 - But honestly, I want to believe that she's real. 467 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:10,081 With everything in me, I want to believe it. 468 00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:11,215 Because that was two years of my life. 469 00:19:11,284 --> 00:19:13,017 I mean, you can't get that back. 470 00:19:13,086 --> 00:19:15,520 - Right. 471 00:19:15,588 --> 00:19:18,823 But look, Paul, we're kind of burying the lead here, 472 00:19:18,892 --> 00:19:24,028 because we did end up hearing back from Katy. 473 00:19:24,097 --> 00:19:25,763 ♪ ♪ 474 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:27,131 - Okay. 475 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,567 - I said, "Do you know why we're calling?" And she said, 476 00:19:29,636 --> 00:19:31,435 "Well, I don't know exactly, but I have an idea." 477 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:33,037 And I said, "Well, what do you mean?" 478 00:19:33,106 --> 00:19:35,239 And she said, "Well, there have been people over the years 479 00:19:35,308 --> 00:19:36,507 "who have reached out to me, 480 00:19:36,576 --> 00:19:38,376 "because they thought they were talking to me. 481 00:19:38,444 --> 00:19:40,645 And it's not the first time this has happened." 482 00:19:40,713 --> 00:19:42,480 So I said, "Well, have you heard of a guy named Paul?" 483 00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:45,616 And she said, "I don't remember getting a message from him." 484 00:19:45,685 --> 00:19:49,153 And we asked her if she could send us a video... 485 00:19:49,222 --> 00:19:50,988 - Right. - Sort of just to confirm 486 00:19:51,057 --> 00:19:53,624 that she is the girl in the pictures. 487 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,927 So there she is. 488 00:19:55,995 --> 00:19:57,495 ♪ ♪ 489 00:19:57,564 --> 00:20:01,032 - Okay. 490 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:02,533 - Hi. My name is Katy, 491 00:20:02,602 --> 00:20:05,770 and I never talked to a guy named Paul on Xbox. 492 00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:09,207 ♪ ♪ 493 00:20:09,275 --> 00:20:12,944 - Not her voice. Definitely not her voice. 494 00:20:13,012 --> 00:20:16,080 No. No. 495 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:17,181 ♪ ♪ 496 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:18,516 - So, if that's not her voice... 497 00:20:18,585 --> 00:20:19,784 - Not her voice. Not at all. - And that is the girl 498 00:20:19,852 --> 00:20:22,353 in the pictures saying she's never talked to you, 499 00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:25,523 that for me confirms 500 00:20:25,592 --> 00:20:30,194 that whoever you were talking to wasn't this girl. 501 00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:32,396 - Right. 502 00:20:32,465 --> 00:20:33,764 I mean, it's bull[bleep]. 503 00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:36,734 Right. She knew everything about me. 504 00:20:36,803 --> 00:20:38,169 - Right. - Like, I was hoping to God 505 00:20:38,238 --> 00:20:39,737 it was a catfish. Don't get me wrong. 506 00:20:39,806 --> 00:20:43,307 But now that it might possibly be a catfish, 507 00:20:43,376 --> 00:20:44,709 it kind of, like, really pisses me off, 508 00:20:44,777 --> 00:20:48,779 because, like, Paul told her personal information. 509 00:20:48,848 --> 00:20:51,349 - Right. 510 00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:52,350 - Well, here's what's weird. 511 00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:54,552 On the phone call with Katy, 512 00:20:54,621 --> 00:20:58,155 we mentioned that you had been sent nude photos of her... 513 00:20:58,224 --> 00:20:59,357 - Right. - And asked her 514 00:20:59,425 --> 00:21:00,658 if photos of her did exist. 515 00:21:00,727 --> 00:21:03,661 And she said yes. She had naked photos. 516 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:07,298 That then means that somehow those photos 517 00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:09,533 got either shared or taken. 518 00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,035 Now, it doesn't necessarily get us any closer 519 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,471 to figuring out who it is. 520 00:21:13,539 --> 00:21:17,675 But at least at this point we know who it's not. 521 00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,378 - Right. 522 00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:25,149 - Sam, if it's okay, I'd actually-- 523 00:21:25,218 --> 00:21:28,185 I would love to take a minute and just talk with Paul, 524 00:21:28,254 --> 00:21:29,720 just to kind of check in with him. 525 00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:32,490 - Yeah. All right, sounds good. Good night, guys. 526 00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:42,133 - Well... - It feels like--yeah. 527 00:21:42,201 --> 00:21:43,601 - Your face is, like, 528 00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:47,171 telling me everything I need to know. 529 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,906 - I'm pissed. I'm pissed. 530 00:21:48,975 --> 00:21:52,376 Absolutely pissed. 531 00:21:52,445 --> 00:21:54,011 Feels like [bleep]. 532 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,481 - Like, if they're not real, if they're not who they really 533 00:21:57,550 --> 00:21:59,150 are portraying themselves out to be, 534 00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:00,651 were their feelings real? 535 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,486 - Definitely. I need to know why. 536 00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:04,955 Honestly, I really would. 537 00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:06,891 I mean, it's embarrassing. I mean, this is-- 538 00:22:06,959 --> 00:22:08,659 it's honestly embarrassing, is what it is. 539 00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:10,161 It's embarrassing and degrading. 540 00:22:10,229 --> 00:22:12,129 - ♪ Hunger ♪ 541 00:22:12,198 --> 00:22:15,032 ♪ Pulling closer ♪ 542 00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:17,468 ♪ Starving for your attention ♪ 543 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:23,808 Ten years. 544 00:22:23,876 --> 00:22:25,743 ♪ ♪ 545 00:22:25,812 --> 00:22:28,713 Was it all just mind games? What was it? 546 00:22:30,616 --> 00:22:32,483 - I mean, it hurts more to not know if anything was real. 547 00:22:32,552 --> 00:22:34,552 It ain't funny to play with people's heads. 548 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:35,653 It really isn't. 549 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:37,388 Two years of my life gone. 550 00:22:37,457 --> 00:22:39,890 I mean, I don't know if she's sick and twisted 551 00:22:39,959 --> 00:22:44,362 or what it is, but I definitely need to find out 552 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:46,731 so I can put it behind me and move on with my life. 553 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,132 ♪ ♪ 554 00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:50,601 - All right, so look, let's call it for tonight, 555 00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:53,471 because it's late, and we've been doing this for a while. 556 00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:54,872 - Okay. 557 00:22:54,941 --> 00:22:56,173 - But we'll check in with you in the morning 558 00:22:56,242 --> 00:22:59,110 and hopefully see if we can figure out 559 00:22:59,178 --> 00:23:00,244 what the heck's going on here. 560 00:23:00,313 --> 00:23:02,146 - I appreciate it, man. I really do. 561 00:23:02,215 --> 00:23:04,115 - All right, Paul. - Sorry, Paul. 562 00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:07,284 - All right, guys. Thank you. 563 00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:09,320 - Woof. - He's hurt, man. 564 00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:13,724 I mean, this is still very much an active wound. 565 00:23:13,793 --> 00:23:16,861 - Just think about your first love 566 00:23:16,929 --> 00:23:19,864 and then to think that it was all a lie. 567 00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:21,499 That's heartbreaking for anyone. 568 00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:23,501 - All right, well hopefully, tomorrow morning, 569 00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:25,936 we'll get a break, or we'll get some new information 570 00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:28,472 that might lead us towards the truth. 571 00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:29,607 - Good night. 572 00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:35,646 [upbeat music] 573 00:23:35,715 --> 00:23:36,747 ♪ ♪ 574 00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:39,583 - Okay. It's day two. 575 00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:43,621 And I put on a nice shirt, because I mean business. 576 00:23:43,689 --> 00:23:45,790 Who is this Caitea girl? Time to get serious. 577 00:23:45,858 --> 00:23:47,892 Time to get real. 578 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,026 [computer chimes] 579 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,061 - Hello. I see you. 580 00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:52,329 You're glam. 581 00:23:52,398 --> 00:23:54,698 - [laughs] 582 00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:56,133 - You look great all the time. 583 00:23:56,202 --> 00:23:58,903 But, you know, a little sprucy spruce is never wrong. 584 00:23:58,971 --> 00:24:01,572 - So I reached out to the real Katy last night 585 00:24:01,641 --> 00:24:04,074 to see if maybe she knows anything else. 586 00:24:04,143 --> 00:24:05,843 Let's see if she gets back to us. 587 00:24:05,912 --> 00:24:07,678 Let's text Paul. 588 00:24:07,747 --> 00:24:08,979 - Poor thing. 589 00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:15,419 Oh, he texted. Oh, he texted. He's coming. 590 00:24:15,488 --> 00:24:16,420 I guess he's coming in the Zoom. 591 00:24:16,489 --> 00:24:19,457 [computer chimes] Hey. 592 00:24:19,525 --> 00:24:22,092 - Hey, Paul. - What's up, guys? 593 00:24:22,161 --> 00:24:23,861 - How are you feeling? 594 00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:25,663 - A little upset still. 595 00:24:25,731 --> 00:24:27,064 A little upset. I didn't go to bed until, 596 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,567 like, 6:00 last night in the morning. 597 00:24:29,635 --> 00:24:31,168 - What? What were you doing all night? 598 00:24:31,237 --> 00:24:33,471 - Talking with Sam till about 4:00. 599 00:24:33,539 --> 00:24:34,905 Couldn't sleep. 600 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:36,140 [phone dings] 601 00:24:36,209 --> 00:24:38,509 - Hold on. I got a text. Wait. 602 00:24:38,578 --> 00:24:41,445 So the real--the real Katy just texted me and said, 603 00:24:41,514 --> 00:24:43,948 "Hey, have you figured anything out yet?" 604 00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:46,450 [tense music] 605 00:24:53,459 --> 00:24:55,326 - I'm just trying to, like, speculate. 606 00:24:55,394 --> 00:24:57,995 'Cause who would know personal details 607 00:24:58,064 --> 00:24:59,930 about the real Katy's life, like, 608 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,999 have access to nude photos of her? 609 00:25:02,068 --> 00:25:03,868 Who would have motive against her? 610 00:25:03,936 --> 00:25:05,836 - Oh. She just texted me. 611 00:25:05,905 --> 00:25:08,105 "What's the Zoom link?" 612 00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:09,306 - Well, we did ask her to Zoom yesterday, 613 00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:10,941 but she was at work, so she couldn't. 614 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:11,976 - I mean, look, at the very least, 615 00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:13,644 you can now talk to her, 616 00:25:13,713 --> 00:25:15,346 which I think will be helpful for you, 617 00:25:15,414 --> 00:25:17,181 just to sort of have an opportunity 618 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:18,616 to talk to this girl who you thought 619 00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:20,050 you were in love with for so long 620 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,886 so many years ago. But who knows? 621 00:25:21,954 --> 00:25:25,556 Maybe she actually has some-- something else to tell us. 622 00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:28,025 - Oh, [bleep]. [computer chimes] 623 00:25:28,094 --> 00:25:30,761 - Oh. - Hi. 624 00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:32,730 - Hi. - Hi. 625 00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:35,399 - We're missing someone. - Hello. 626 00:25:35,468 --> 00:25:38,903 - Wait, yeah. - She's not here yet. 627 00:25:38,971 --> 00:25:41,305 Hi. Sorry. I'll be right back. 628 00:25:41,374 --> 00:25:42,907 - Wait. 629 00:25:42,975 --> 00:25:44,141 That was weird. 630 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:45,809 - I mean, who are we waiting for? 631 00:25:45,878 --> 00:25:48,045 - Who are we missing? 632 00:25:48,114 --> 00:25:50,614 What--what just happened? 633 00:25:50,683 --> 00:25:52,516 - I have anxiety. 634 00:25:52,585 --> 00:25:55,352 [tense music] 635 00:25:55,421 --> 00:25:56,554 Why are we just sitting here? 636 00:25:56,622 --> 00:25:57,922 This is awkward. 637 00:25:57,990 --> 00:26:00,558 ♪ ♪ 638 00:26:00,626 --> 00:26:02,726 [computer chimes] - Oh. Oh. 639 00:26:02,795 --> 00:26:05,062 Oh. Hello. 640 00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:07,031 - Hi. 641 00:26:07,099 --> 00:26:10,467 - Okay, um, what the [bleep]? 642 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:12,736 - What--what just happened? 643 00:26:12,805 --> 00:26:14,672 - I have anxiety. 644 00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:17,841 [tense music] 645 00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:18,876 Why are we just sitting here? 646 00:26:18,945 --> 00:26:19,910 This is awkward. 647 00:26:19,979 --> 00:26:22,479 ♪ ♪ 648 00:26:22,548 --> 00:26:24,114 [computer chimes] - Oh. Oh. 649 00:26:24,183 --> 00:26:25,983 Oh. Hello. 650 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,151 - Hi. - Hello. 651 00:26:27,219 --> 00:26:29,520 Hi. - Hi. 652 00:26:29,589 --> 00:26:32,723 ♪ ♪ 653 00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:35,459 - Hi. - Okay. 654 00:26:35,528 --> 00:26:37,328 Hi, there. We're all a little confused. 655 00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:40,230 We're not sure exactly who's who and what's what here. 656 00:26:40,299 --> 00:26:44,401 So, please introduce-- introduce yourselves. 657 00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:48,973 - So I'm Katy. You guys talked to me yesterday. 658 00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:51,842 And this is Martha. 659 00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:54,478 - Martha. - Hello, Martha. Hello. 660 00:26:54,547 --> 00:26:56,380 - Hi, Nev. 661 00:26:56,449 --> 00:26:57,481 - As you--so, okay. I'm Nev, 662 00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:58,983 and this is Kamie, and this is Paul. 663 00:26:59,051 --> 00:27:01,151 - Hi, Kamie. - Hi. 664 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:02,486 - Hi. - Hi, Paul. 665 00:27:02,555 --> 00:27:05,055 - And--well, I'm delighted to meet you 666 00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:07,358 and that you're joining us. I just-- 667 00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:11,362 I'm just having a hard time figuring out exactly why. 668 00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:14,999 - I mean, the long and short of it is--Paul, hi. 669 00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:16,867 - Hi. - Nice to meet you. 670 00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,636 I don't know who you are. 671 00:27:18,704 --> 00:27:21,071 ♪ ♪ 672 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:22,106 But this is my mom. 673 00:27:22,174 --> 00:27:24,308 ♪ ♪ 674 00:27:24,377 --> 00:27:29,146 This is who Paul was talking to. 675 00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:31,115 - What? 676 00:27:31,183 --> 00:27:35,619 ♪ ♪ 677 00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:39,390 - I was the one doing the catfishing. 678 00:27:40,693 --> 00:27:43,093 - Wow. 679 00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:46,830 - [bleep]. 680 00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:53,771 ♪ ♪ 681 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:57,574 - You do realize how young I was, right? 682 00:27:57,643 --> 00:27:58,809 - I do. 683 00:27:58,878 --> 00:28:00,544 ♪ ♪ 684 00:28:00,613 --> 00:28:02,379 - Katy, when we spoke to you yesterday, 685 00:28:02,448 --> 00:28:07,384 you chose not to tell us about all this. 686 00:28:07,453 --> 00:28:09,420 And I can understand maybe why-- 687 00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:11,689 - I mean, who would? [bleep]. I mean, this is embarrassing. 688 00:28:11,757 --> 00:28:13,357 I mean, this is [bleep] embarrassing for me 689 00:28:13,426 --> 00:28:15,793 on so many levels. I can only imagine for her. 690 00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:19,830 ♪ ♪ 691 00:28:19,899 --> 00:28:21,165 - So wait, Katy, did you know 692 00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:24,401 that this was the case the whole time? 693 00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:28,205 - So I found out everything 694 00:28:28,274 --> 00:28:31,241 roughly two years ago or so. 695 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:34,078 I was so mad and hurt. 696 00:28:34,146 --> 00:28:38,449 But my mom and I, like, 697 00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:40,150 after finding out, like, we've reconciled. 698 00:28:40,219 --> 00:28:41,452 We're on good terms. 699 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,155 But I know that there are people out there like you 700 00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:49,226 who need closure from what she did. 701 00:28:49,295 --> 00:28:52,629 I definitely wanted to just, like, 702 00:28:52,698 --> 00:28:54,531 tell you everything yesterday. 703 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,300 It was really hard not to. 704 00:28:56,368 --> 00:28:58,769 - Right. - But it's not just my life 705 00:28:58,838 --> 00:29:01,705 that it affects. I mean, it's my mom. 706 00:29:01,774 --> 00:29:03,741 And I had to take her into consideration. 707 00:29:03,809 --> 00:29:06,443 I contacted her pretty quickly after 708 00:29:06,512 --> 00:29:08,479 and was like, "Can we do this? 709 00:29:08,547 --> 00:29:10,214 Can we come clean on everything?" 710 00:29:10,282 --> 00:29:14,051 Because again, I've had other people put me up about this. 711 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,622 And, like, I've told them, and they haven't believed be. 712 00:29:18,691 --> 00:29:20,224 I--I don't know what to do with that. 713 00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:22,793 - I mean, it is hard to believe. 714 00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:25,596 - I'm sorry. I'm--like, I can't--I can't-- 715 00:29:25,664 --> 00:29:28,065 I can't speak, 'cause I'm literally, 716 00:29:28,134 --> 00:29:30,701 like, sick to my stomach. 717 00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:33,370 - You're sick to your stomach, huh? Yeah. 718 00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:37,474 - Are we--like, is this honestly the truth? 719 00:29:37,543 --> 00:29:40,144 - 100%. - It's true. 720 00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,546 ♪ ♪ 721 00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:44,915 - When was the last time you were actively using 722 00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:49,086 the Caitea disguise and sort of fake profile? 723 00:29:49,155 --> 00:29:51,755 - Seven years ago? I don't remember exactly, Nev. 724 00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:55,259 - So it has been a while since you've done this. 725 00:29:55,327 --> 00:30:00,330 - Yes. I did go to see a therapist. 726 00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:03,100 That stuff had been worked out years ago. 727 00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:07,538 - But there really is, like, no real explanation 728 00:30:07,606 --> 00:30:10,440 for talking to a young teenage boy 729 00:30:10,509 --> 00:30:14,111 as a grown woman. 730 00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:17,114 - It started because I was in a really 731 00:30:17,183 --> 00:30:19,316 bad place in my life. 732 00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:21,151 I had gotten divorced. 733 00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:22,386 My mom died. 734 00:30:22,454 --> 00:30:25,422 My oldest child went off to college. 735 00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:30,127 And Katy left to go live with a boyfriend. 736 00:30:30,196 --> 00:30:32,429 So I went from having 737 00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:35,899 three people that were the focus of my life 738 00:30:35,968 --> 00:30:38,902 to nothing. 739 00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:41,538 And I was extremely lonely. 740 00:30:41,607 --> 00:30:45,008 And I am making no excuses for my behavior. 741 00:30:45,077 --> 00:30:46,677 It was not right. 742 00:30:46,745 --> 00:30:50,681 I just wanted someone to care about me. 743 00:30:50,749 --> 00:30:55,219 You have no idea how lonely I was. 744 00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:56,587 You have no idea. 745 00:30:56,655 --> 00:30:58,689 - Make a friend, not a boyfriend. 746 00:30:58,757 --> 00:31:00,023 I mean, don't [bleep] take advantage 747 00:31:00,092 --> 00:31:03,594 of a goddamn teenager. Like, what the [bleep]? 748 00:31:03,662 --> 00:31:06,129 Like, I'm literally shaking, 'cause I'm so pissed right now. 749 00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:08,265 ♪ ♪ 750 00:31:08,334 --> 00:31:11,702 - You have a right to be pissed. 751 00:31:11,770 --> 00:31:14,738 - Okay, so when talking to guys on Xbox, 752 00:31:14,807 --> 00:31:19,676 you used both pictures and the name of your daughter. 753 00:31:19,745 --> 00:31:22,012 Why wouldn't you at least come up with a different name 754 00:31:22,081 --> 00:31:24,014 and different pictures so that people 755 00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:26,383 couldn't associate your actual daughter 756 00:31:26,452 --> 00:31:30,988 to the personality that you had created? 757 00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:34,057 - I was not savvy enough 758 00:31:34,126 --> 00:31:37,928 to even think that what I was doing was wrong. 759 00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:40,831 - You're [bleep] manipulating a 16-year-old, man. 760 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,733 Like, [bleep]. 761 00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:46,003 - And at the time, you were roughly 762 00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:48,105 in your 40s? 763 00:31:48,173 --> 00:31:50,607 - Yes. 764 00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,876 - That's something clearly that 765 00:31:52,945 --> 00:31:55,212 I think we can all agree is inappropriate. 766 00:31:55,281 --> 00:31:57,414 - I agree. 767 00:31:57,483 --> 00:31:58,815 - I understand being lonely and being, like, 768 00:31:58,884 --> 00:32:00,918 "You know what? I'm gonna get on this video game, 769 00:32:00,986 --> 00:32:04,788 because I want to hang out with my friends on Xbox." 770 00:32:04,857 --> 00:32:08,592 Fine. But it should have ended there. 771 00:32:08,661 --> 00:32:12,029 There is no way, shape, or form, rhyme or reason 772 00:32:12,097 --> 00:32:13,764 why it should have been okay 773 00:32:13,832 --> 00:32:16,500 to take that relationship elsewhere 774 00:32:16,568 --> 00:32:18,468 and start cultivating a relationship 775 00:32:18,537 --> 00:32:19,770 with a high schooler. 776 00:32:19,838 --> 00:32:24,174 ♪ ♪ 777 00:32:24,243 --> 00:32:28,545 I mean, I believe that the age of consent in Michigan, 778 00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,781 where Paul lives, is 16. 779 00:32:30,849 --> 00:32:34,718 But as a 40-year-old-something woman, 780 00:32:34,787 --> 00:32:36,920 you're in these chats on Xbox. 781 00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:41,491 What could you possibly have in common with them, Martha? 782 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:46,897 - Because those guys were the ones 783 00:32:46,966 --> 00:32:49,232 showing me the most attention... 784 00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:51,335 - Well, yeah. - And the most affection. 785 00:32:51,403 --> 00:32:53,036 - I mean... - And, you know, 786 00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:55,539 that's what I wanted. 787 00:32:55,607 --> 00:32:59,309 - I'm sure that--I'm sure that a 16-year-old boy 788 00:32:59,378 --> 00:33:00,911 is showing you attention and affection 789 00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:02,612 when you're sending them 790 00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:04,848 naked pictures of your teenage daughter. 791 00:33:04,917 --> 00:33:06,783 - Of your [bleep] daughter. Like, come on, man. 792 00:33:06,852 --> 00:33:08,852 - That was Katy's nudes, right? 793 00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:11,288 - Yes. 794 00:33:11,357 --> 00:33:12,789 - And, Katy, please tell me 795 00:33:12,858 --> 00:33:15,926 you were at least 18 when these pics were taken. 796 00:33:15,995 --> 00:33:17,427 - Yeah. 797 00:33:17,496 --> 00:33:19,463 - How were you getting those photos? 798 00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:22,566 ♪ ♪ 799 00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:26,236 - I got the photos-- when she would go to sleep, 800 00:33:26,305 --> 00:33:28,638 I would go get her phone, 801 00:33:28,707 --> 00:33:31,141 and I would look through for any new 802 00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:32,743 or different photos. 803 00:33:35,514 --> 00:33:36,947 - I'm sure that a 16-year-old boy 804 00:33:37,016 --> 00:33:38,648 is showing you attention and affection 805 00:33:38,717 --> 00:33:40,484 when you're sending them 806 00:33:40,552 --> 00:33:42,319 naked pictures of your teenage daughter. 807 00:33:42,388 --> 00:33:44,688 - Of your [bleep] daughter. Like, come on, man. 808 00:33:44,757 --> 00:33:47,190 - That was Katy's nudes, right? 809 00:33:47,259 --> 00:33:50,160 - Yes. 810 00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:52,763 - And, Katy, please tell me you were at least 18 811 00:33:52,831 --> 00:33:54,464 when these pics were taken. 812 00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:55,999 - Yeah. 813 00:33:56,068 --> 00:33:58,335 - How were you getting those photos? 814 00:33:58,404 --> 00:34:02,372 - I got the photos-- when she would go to sleep, 815 00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:04,141 I would go get her phone, 816 00:34:04,209 --> 00:34:07,878 and I would look through for any new or different photos, 817 00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,013 and I would send them to my phone, 818 00:34:10,082 --> 00:34:11,915 and then I would delete 819 00:34:11,984 --> 00:34:14,384 the sending off of her phone. 820 00:34:14,453 --> 00:34:16,253 - Ooh. 821 00:34:16,321 --> 00:34:19,022 - Wow. Like, wow. 822 00:34:19,091 --> 00:34:20,690 ♪ ♪ 823 00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:22,759 - What is the logic behind that? 824 00:34:22,828 --> 00:34:25,095 Because I'm really--I'm never going to understand, 825 00:34:25,164 --> 00:34:28,398 but I'm trying to for the sake of this conversation. 826 00:34:28,467 --> 00:34:31,468 But what is the logic behind using 827 00:34:31,537 --> 00:34:33,370 nude photos of your daughter? 828 00:34:33,439 --> 00:34:36,273 ♪ ♪ 829 00:34:36,341 --> 00:34:38,475 - To keep the deception going, 830 00:34:38,544 --> 00:34:41,778 to make it last as long as it could. 831 00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:43,447 - And, Katy, these would have been photos 832 00:34:43,515 --> 00:34:46,516 that you were sending to your actual boyfriend at the time. 833 00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:49,119 - Yep. 834 00:34:49,188 --> 00:34:51,121 ♪ ♪ 835 00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:53,790 If you guys would have caught me two years ago, 836 00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:55,826 I definitely was furious. 837 00:34:55,894 --> 00:34:59,529 I felt probably about how Paul's feeling right now. 838 00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:00,764 I felt-- 839 00:35:00,833 --> 00:35:02,532 - Violated? - Yeah. 840 00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,769 Oh, yeah. 841 00:35:05,838 --> 00:35:07,237 This is my mom. This is someone 842 00:35:07,306 --> 00:35:09,139 I'm supposed to be able to trust with everything. 843 00:35:09,208 --> 00:35:11,808 - With your life. - With my life. Literally. 844 00:35:11,877 --> 00:35:13,210 I mean, she brought me into this world. 845 00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:15,645 And to feel 846 00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:18,915 so used and betrayed... 847 00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:21,184 I think we both thought there was a time 848 00:35:21,253 --> 00:35:26,022 that we weren't gonna get past it, that this was it. 849 00:35:26,091 --> 00:35:27,724 But it's my mother. 850 00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:31,094 And knowing everything she's been through, 851 00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:32,529 understanding her perspective-- 852 00:35:32,598 --> 00:35:35,465 she didn't even have to explain her perspective to me. 853 00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:38,335 I understood, and I forgave her, 854 00:35:38,403 --> 00:35:40,337 and we moved on, and that was it. 855 00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:42,272 [somber music] 856 00:35:42,341 --> 00:35:43,640 - But I mean, like, how does 857 00:35:43,709 --> 00:35:45,642 a 40-year-old person just do that? 858 00:35:45,711 --> 00:35:48,211 I mean, for so long? It was ten [bleep] years. 859 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,679 Whew. 860 00:35:49,748 --> 00:35:52,082 It's just, like, what the [bleep]? 861 00:35:52,151 --> 00:35:53,750 I mean, how [bleep] up is [bleep]? 862 00:35:53,819 --> 00:35:55,719 That's [bleep] up. 863 00:35:55,787 --> 00:35:58,455 ♪ ♪ 864 00:35:58,524 --> 00:36:02,759 [exhales] 865 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:04,294 It actually ruined my relationship 866 00:36:04,363 --> 00:36:07,297 I tried to have afterwards, because I had trust issues. 867 00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:11,334 I had trust issues with a lot of people. 868 00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:14,871 In my head--I'm 16-- you were my first girlfriend. 869 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:18,875 In my head, every girl is the same after that. 870 00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:23,680 - I--Paul, I'm really sorry. I really am. 871 00:36:23,749 --> 00:36:25,448 I know that I hurt people. 872 00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,417 I know that I hurt my daughter. 873 00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:32,656 I struggled... 874 00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:35,158 beyond belief with how to make it stop, 875 00:36:35,227 --> 00:36:39,262 how to make me stop, and I couldn't. 876 00:36:39,331 --> 00:36:44,301 It's just--I could figure out how to get out of it. 877 00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:49,172 - I want to give Paul a break, just to kind of... 878 00:36:51,143 --> 00:36:53,443 - Think about everything and talk to his fiancée 879 00:36:53,512 --> 00:36:57,981 for a minute and sort of gather his thoughts, 880 00:36:58,050 --> 00:37:00,116 let us sort of tie things up 881 00:37:00,185 --> 00:37:01,585 a little bit with Martha and Katy, 882 00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:03,220 and then we'll say goodbye to them, 883 00:37:03,288 --> 00:37:05,355 and then we'll come back, and we'll talk to you and Sam. 884 00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:06,790 - Okay. That's sounds good. 885 00:37:06,858 --> 00:37:07,958 - All right. - All right. 886 00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:09,859 - We'll talk to you in a minute, Paul. 887 00:37:09,928 --> 00:37:13,730 - All right. - Okay. 888 00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:15,532 - Katy, are you okay? 889 00:37:15,601 --> 00:37:17,801 ♪ ♪ 890 00:37:17,869 --> 00:37:21,204 - I remember just the way she--like, 891 00:37:21,273 --> 00:37:22,839 she would always be taking pictures of me. 892 00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:24,474 And I was just like, "Oh, okay. 893 00:37:24,543 --> 00:37:26,343 I'm your daughter, so I guess that's not weird." 894 00:37:26,411 --> 00:37:30,947 Just, I have a lot of mixed emotions right now. 895 00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:33,516 - The fact that your daughter is here right now for you 896 00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:38,188 and has been through all of this is... 897 00:37:38,257 --> 00:37:42,325 incredible. 898 00:37:42,394 --> 00:37:44,294 - Katy, I'm sorry. 899 00:37:44,363 --> 00:37:47,664 I don't ever want to do anything like that again 900 00:37:47,733 --> 00:37:52,035 to hurt my child, to hurt another person. 901 00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:55,238 I have learned from those mistakes. 902 00:37:55,307 --> 00:37:58,475 - I mean, I think anytime you're re-opening 903 00:37:58,543 --> 00:38:01,044 Pandora's Box, after-- you know, as a mother 904 00:38:01,113 --> 00:38:03,280 and daughter--had already closed that 905 00:38:03,348 --> 00:38:06,049 in your lives--it's going to feel like [bleep]. 906 00:38:06,118 --> 00:38:07,217 It should feel like [bleep]. 907 00:38:07,286 --> 00:38:09,486 - It should. - It should. 908 00:38:09,554 --> 00:38:13,223 You were using your maturity, as a grown adult 909 00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:16,459 to mind [bleep] a 16-year-old boy. 910 00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,135 - I came on here to do this because I love my daughter. 911 00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:28,838 I want to finally come clean. 912 00:38:28,907 --> 00:38:33,610 I just--I'm so sorry. 913 00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,347 I am sorry. 914 00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:39,282 - We'll say good-bye for now, I guess. 915 00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:42,619 - All right, guys. 916 00:38:42,688 --> 00:38:44,888 - See you. - Bye. 917 00:38:44,956 --> 00:38:46,256 - Thank you. 918 00:38:46,325 --> 00:38:47,724 [computer chimes] 919 00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:49,025 - I mean, you know what? 920 00:38:49,094 --> 00:38:51,361 People always ask, like, "What's the craziest, 921 00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:53,596 weirdest thing that you've seen on your show?" 922 00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:55,665 And this might be the new answer for that. 923 00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:57,734 - I just hope Paul is okay. 924 00:38:57,803 --> 00:39:01,438 - So let's bring Paul and Sam back in now. 925 00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:02,839 [computer chimes] 926 00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:05,675 - Y'all...did you tell her? 927 00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:06,976 - That took quite a turn. 928 00:39:07,045 --> 00:39:11,314 - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. - Yeah. That's... 929 00:39:11,383 --> 00:39:13,717 - Paul, how do you feel? - Disgusted... 930 00:39:13,785 --> 00:39:17,487 to the point is where I didn't want to disrespect her too much 931 00:39:17,556 --> 00:39:19,923 in front of her daughter, just because of the simple fact 932 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:23,360 that that's degrading for her too. 933 00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:26,396 But honestly, I'm disgusted. I'm not angry. I'm disgusted. 934 00:39:26,465 --> 00:39:28,732 - Yeah. 935 00:39:31,236 --> 00:39:33,536 ♪ ♪ 936 00:39:33,605 --> 00:39:35,205 - If there's anything that we get out of this, 937 00:39:35,273 --> 00:39:37,974 it's for you guys to move on, not from Caitea, 938 00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:39,576 but just with each other, 939 00:39:39,644 --> 00:39:42,312 and being closer and more communicative and sharing more. 940 00:39:53,525 --> 00:39:56,326 - Ohh. 941 00:39:56,395 --> 00:39:59,295 - It's okay. 942 00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:01,431 I love you. 943 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:02,565 - Listen, I don't know the ins and outs 944 00:40:02,634 --> 00:40:04,100 of you guys' relationship, 945 00:40:04,169 --> 00:40:06,603 but we got to get you two down the [bleep] aisle. 946 00:40:06,671 --> 00:40:09,406 I'm ready for a wedding. Come on. 947 00:40:09,474 --> 00:40:13,343 You've got three kids together, eight years together. 948 00:40:13,412 --> 00:40:15,612 Let's get the white dress, and let's go. 949 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,249 - Thanks for letting us into this weird, wild, wacky story. 950 00:40:19,317 --> 00:40:22,118 - Thank you. - Thank you, you guys. 951 00:40:22,187 --> 00:40:23,820 - [inaudible]. - Good luck. 952 00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:25,622 - Bye. - Bye. 953 00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:28,291 - ♪ It's a brand-new start ♪ 954 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,928 ♪ A brand-new start ♪ 955 00:40:31,997 --> 00:40:33,630 ♪ A brand-new start ♪ 956 00:40:33,698 --> 00:40:38,835 ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh, it's a brand-new start ♪ 957 00:40:38,904 --> 00:40:42,205 ♪ A brand-new start ♪ 958 00:40:42,274 --> 00:40:45,875 ♪ A brand-new start ♪