- Ten years ago, Paul met Caitea.
They planned to move in together.
But on the day of the move, she stood him up.
- I fell for her. I really did.
Ten years later, I still think about it.
He's not over her. - Whoa. "Caitea is a catfish."
- I mean, this is-- it's honestly embarrassing.
- Caitea just texted me, "What's the Zoom link?"
- Oh, [bleep].
- I'm literally shaking.
[computer chimes]
[dramatic musical sting]
[upbeat music]
- It's time to get to work.
[laughs]
Bejeweled mask. Wow.
- Listen. The cases of COVID are surging.
And if I'm gonna have to be in this [bleep],
I'm gonna make it glam.
- But you know that is not a mask alternative.
That is a supplement to wearing a mask.
- Yes, CDC Nev.
I didn't realize you were Dr. Fauci.
- All right, let's see.
We got an email here from Samantha.
"I never thought I'd be writing to you.
"But you guys sometimes have people reach out
"on behalf of someone else,
and that's what I'm doing for my fiancé, Paul."
- ♪ Something's happening here ♪
- "We've been together for eight years
"and have three beautiful children.
"But recently I heard him bring up a girl from his past:
"his first love, Caitea.
"They met on Xbox,
and they were together for two years."
- ♪ Something is happening here ♪
- "They planned to move in together.
"But on the day of the move, she stood him up.
That was that, and he moved on with his life."
♪ ♪
"But recently I found out that Paul has searched
"for her online and messaged her.
"Apparently, she said they had never talked before.
- ♪ I've never felt so certain never felt so clear ♪
- "This threw Paul for a loop.
"He can't let it go.
"And honestly, I'm tired of hearing about it.
"I think that if he realizes
"once and for all that he was catfished,
"he can deal with it and move on.
"I'm hoping you guys can help open his eyes
"and get this girl out of his thoughts
"and out of our lives forever.
Thanks. Sam."
- ♪ Something is happening here ♪
- Samantha sounds like she is very confident in her man.
But you got to watch your confidence
when you're trying to hook your fiancé up
with potentially, like, the love of his life. What?
- Right. Let's reach out to Samantha
and get a little bit more info.
As someone who was catfished,
had I never gone and found out who I was talking to,
I would definitely always still be wondering.
I get why he's still curious.
Getting an answer to that might be a very satisfying
and chapter-closing resolution.
[computer chimes] Oh.
- Hey, Samantha. - Hey.
- How are you? - Good. How are you?
- Great. - Good.
- Where do you live? - We live in Holly, Michigan.
- Together eight years. Three kids. not married yet?
- What is going on?
- So I had, like, this weird marriage.
- Oh, so you're the one who's been sort of avoiding it.
- Yeah. - Oh, wow.
'Cause I was about to [bleep] all over Paul
for not marrying you already, but now, okay.
- So what's up with Caitea?
- Okay, so a few weeks ago,
we were all, you know, sitting on the couch.
And he's scrolling through his Instagram.
And this lovely female pops up.
I'm like, "Uh-uh." - Wait.
So, this is--we're talking about the same girl, Caitea?
- Yes. Like, why is she popping up on your news feeds?
Obviously, you guys are friends.
- Mm-hmm.
- So he actually told me he had messaged her,
and she acted like she had no idea who Paul was.
- Hmm. - Something somewhere is wrong.
- And so why wasn't that just the end of it?
- Because I just want to move on with our lives.
She was Paul's first love.
If she is real, then she's real.
If she's not, then she's not.
You need to put all this in the past.
But if she is who she says she is,
would Paul regret not keeping in touch with her?
I don't know.
- But be honest, Samantha.
Like, do you want for Caitea to be a catfish?
- Yeah. I--I really do.
- But what if this girl Caitea is real?
We could potentially be connecting them.
- I guess it's a chance that I'm willing to take.
- So, what's up with Paul?
Does he know that you reached out to us?
- He knows his girlfriend's a straight up savage.
And he knows when I want answers I will stop
at nothing to get my answers.
I told him I had contacted you guys.
He's actually in our bedroom.
- Well, get him out here. - All right.
Hold on, guys.
Babe.
- Ooh. - [laughs]
- Oh, my God. - [laughs]
- Okay. [bleep]. - [laughs]
Hi.
- Hey. - Hi, Paul.
- How you doing? - Good.
- Good. You know we are, right?
- Yeah, I've seen you before.
- Okay, cool.
First of all, it's always a little awkward
talking about exes with your current,
you know, girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, whatever.
How is this affecting you guys? Or is it affecting you guys?
- No. Not at all.
- She seems to think, I guess, it is a little bit.
- Samantha's face says differently.
[laughs]
- She's not too happy with it. That's for sure.
- I don't know if you maybe want to tell Samantha
how you feel about her.
- She pretty much already knows how I feel about her.
- I know he loves me, and I know he cares about me,
and I know he wants to be with me.
So...
- [laughs] - [laughs]
- Is that all true? - Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, I love her. Of course I do.
I've been with her for eight years.
- [laughs]
- Obviously, we do need to hear more
about this whole story and kind of how it all started.
- Okay. So I'm going to let him take over.
Thanks, guys.
- Thanks, Samantha.
- Love you, babe. - Love you.
- We love her.
We love Samantha.
- She's a fun time; that's for sure.
[laughter]
- So what's the deal with this girl Caitea?
And so how old were you? You were--
- 16 when we first met.
- Were you living in Michigan at the time?
- Yeah. I was living in Michigan.
- Where did Caitea live? - She lived in Tampa, Florida.
- Okay. So you're on Xbox,
and you see that there's this girl named Caitea.
- Yeah.
- How did that progress from there?
- Then we exchanged phone numbers,
and we were always on the phone together.
I mean, we just started talking every day.
I mean, it was nonstop.
I mean, l we had a phone call for 32 hours at one point.
I mean, 32 hours.
- What? - What?
- I mean, it was days.
- What made you keep talking to her for 32 hours
at any given time?
- She was sweet. She's nice. She had a good sense of humor.
You know what I mean? We clicked, man, instantly.
I fell for her. I really did.
- And-- and were you guys in love?
Did you say that you loved her?
- I did. Oh, I loved her. I loved her.
I was with her constantly on the phone.
It was a difficult time too.
I got made fun of a lot.
So I just quit school and started working.
- Okay, so you guys are talking.
Are you sending each other pictures?
- I mean, she sent me pictures every day.
I mean, she even sent me packages in the mail.
She was sending me Xboxes and iPods and video games
before they even hit the shelves.
- What? - What do you know about her?
Like, does she come from a lot of money?
- She told me her parents had died in a car wreck.
She said she had life insurance money.
And she said she had modeled and [bleep] like that.
- But if she has all these tech gadgets,
she doesn't have a video camera for her computer?
- We always argued about it, 'cause I would always be,
like, download Skype. It was always an excuse.
She was busy or her software couldn't handle it.
I mean, I was young.
I was like, "Okay. I understand."
I mean, it was a really long time in my life
that I had put up towards this girl.
I mean, two years--I mean,
I didn't do nothing for two years.
- And so what happened? Samantha told us
that you guys had planned on moving in together?
Was she gonna move to Michigan,
or were you supposed to move to Florida?
- I was gonna go down there and stay for a little bit
and see how it worked out.
And if it worked out, I was gonna stay.
She never came. She wouldn't answer her phone.
I was absolutely pissed.
- Did she just stop contacting you after she stood you up?
- I mean, we stopped contacting each other.
And she hit me up probably, like, a year after.
She was trying to talk to me and stuff like that.
At that point, I was just like, "I'm busy."
- Wow. Okay, so she reached back out to you
well after you guys had sort of broken up.
- Yes. - And was that the last time
you had communication with her? - Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah.
- Until kind of recently,
when you went back and looked at her--
- Oh, yeah.
I went and looked for her about six months ago.
And I ended up finding an Instagram page.
I was like, "Hey. How you doing? What's up?"
And she was like, "I don't know you."
And I'm like, "What do you mean you don't know me?"
- But do you think it's just because she feels slighted,
because the last time you talked, you were like,
"I gotta go. Bye"? - Probably. Probably.
- So, she could be just being petty.
- That's pretty much what I think it is,
is her just being petty.
- So wait, so you follow her on Instagram.
- Oh, I don't anymore, 'cause I can't find it.
I looked for her the other day,
and I couldn't find her.
- But wait a second; let me just make one thing clear.
Is it possible that someone who knew Caitea
just basically made a fake profile, met some guy,
and sort of started this flirtation, and when he said,
"Hey, send me a picture," she was just like,
"I'll just send a picture of my friend Caitea."
- I mean, there was honestly too many pictures.
I mean, there were provocative pictures she had sent me.
- Full nude? - Yeah.
- What?
- With her face in it?
- With her face and her whole body.
I mean, whole body.
- And they didn't have OnlyFans back then.
- Yeah.
Like, I mean, I don't see how it really couldn't be her.
I mean, it has to be.
- What photos do you have? - I have one. Yeah, I have one.
- Can we see the pictures?
- That be her. That's her now.
- That's a more recent photo
that you took off of, like, her Instagram?
- Yep. - Interesting. Okay.
- And that was her back then. - Oh, the Myspace angle.
- Yeah. - [exhales]
I mean, it sucks that, like,
your first experience with love was, like, so great
but also had such a [bleep] ending.
- Ten years later, I mean, there will be a day--
you know, a random day where I just think about her.
- But you don't tell Sam.
- She knows I do think about her.
And I think that makes her mad, and I think that causes
a blockage in our relationship. I honestly do.
- And you obviously know that Samantha has her own feelings
and hesitations with marriage.
- Yeah. I can understand her feelings any day.
- This could be a really big thing for her.
- Right.
- We need to put this whole Caitea situation
in the rearview mirror for good.
- Yeah. Definitely. It's been ten years.
I mean, it needs to come. It does.
- All right, so send us that info.
We're gonna do some research, and as soon as we find
something, we will let you know.
- All right. I got you. - We'll talk in a little bit.
- All right. - Bye.
Mm-hmm-hmm-hmm.
He's not over Caitea.
He's not over her.
This is clearly the issue that is keeping Paul and Sam
from being able to, like,
take that next step and move their asses down the aisle.
- Feels like there are two issues here.
One is whether or not Caitea is real.
But more importantly, it feels like the future
for Sam and Paul is teetering on this issue.
- How are they gonna be able to move forward together
if we don't find some kind of answer?
- Ready to investigate.
[computer chimes] There she is.
- I'm here. Present.
- All right, here we go. We got a real situation here.
Ten years ago, Paul met Caitea.
It was Paul's first love.
He was totally head over heels for this girl.
Then she broke his heart and stood him up.
Paul finally got over it, met Samantha.
He hasn't forgotten about this girl.
- I don't want to be messy.
But I asked Paul to tell us how he felt about Sam,
and he was like, "She knows how I feel about her."
But when we asked how he felt about Caitea,
he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
- I know. This is, like, the moment for Paul
to finally leave his adolescence
and, like, become a man.
So let's do this here. He sent us the info.
Okay, so her full name is Caitea [bleep].
- No one is named that. No one is named Caitea.
No one. That's not a name.
- Right. Anyway, she lives in Florida.
And then here are the two pictures.
So here she is.
And then here's this one more recent.
Yeah, definitely the same girl. Let's run the pictures.
Let's--let's--let's do a little image search.
Here we go.
All right, so that picture does not come back with anything.
And this one--oh, we got a hit.
It links to this Facebook page.
Whoa. Whoa.
- Wedding photo.
Oh, my God. - That's her.
Katy [bleep], same last name.
It's spelled K-A-T-Y, which makes more sense.
Here's her profile pic
from October 25th, so not long ago.
I mean, a bunch of people commenting,
all very happy for her.
This, to me, feels like a real person.
The question now isn't whether this is a real Katy.
It's whether or not this
is who he was talking to ten years ago.
- Agreed. - So either he was
and now she's just moved on
and doesn't want to talk to him anymore.
Or someone who knows her copycatted her life back then.
- Because Paul has nude photos of he.
Who would have her nude photos?
Maybe we should just message her
and see what's up with her.
- "Hey, Katy. Wondering if you have 2 minutes
to help clear something up."
All right. So yeah,
I don't know what else there is to do, because--
- We haven't searched her full name.
- Oh, just, like, a Google search?
Yeah, that's a good idea.
- Yeah. - How should I spell it?
Caitea [bleep]. Whoa. What's this? A Reddit.
Someone started a thread called Caitea [bleep] is a catfish.
- [gasps]
Ooh.
- If you're talking to Caitea on "Call of Duty,"
you're being catfished, and then they...
- What did I say? - Put her Facebook.
Wait, so does this mean that this is a fake page?
Okay, so obviously there's an internet trail about...
[phone chiming] Oh.
Hold on, I'm getting a phone call from Akron.
Hello--hello.
- Yeah, hey. Who's this?
- Katy. What's up?
- It's going great.
Do you have any idea why I reached out?
- So we're trying to help this guy who ten years ago
met a girl on Xbox named Caitea [bleep].
And he thinks you're that girl.
- Okay. Did you ever talk to a guy named Paul?
- Wow.
- So--'cause this guy Paul says he found
an Instagram account earlier this year
and messaged it and just said, "Hey, it's me. How are you?"
And the person wrote back and said,
"I don't know who you are. We've never talked.
Was that you?"
Can you get on a Zoom quickly, just so we can see your face
and confirm exactly who you are?
- Okay.
- Okay. Yeah.
- I mean, I had to ask you to do that,
but it would just be helpful, just so we--
- Okay, great. - Not a problem.
- Here's a question that--
that's a little bit uncomfortable.
Paul, he got nude photos of you.
- Is there anyone that would have
or might have at some point had nude photos of you?
- Okay, so we're talking about, like, obviously, an ex.
- Okay. Okay. We'll be in touch.
But thank you so much.
- Bye.
- What do you think? Do you believe her?
- I mean, I don't have a reason not to.
- I mean, her story seems to make sense to me.
[computer chimes] Oh, she just sent a video.
- Hi, my name is Katy, and I never talked
to a guy named Paul on Xbox.
- There it is. All right. We got--we got to talk to Paul.
- Yeah. - So I think it's safe to say
he was not talking to the girl in the pictures.
Her name is not Caitea.
I mean, it could be, but it probably isn't,
because they clearly were impersonating the real Katy.
- Yeah. But he was in love
with someone. - Yeah.
- Who is the person?
Where are they?
- All right. So here's what we got.
We've now talked to the Katy from the Facebook page
that has the name and pictures of the Caitea
that Paul thinks he's talking to.
But she's never talked to a guy named Paul.
So that means that whoever Paul was talking to
was using Katy's name and pictures.
And it's got to be someone close to her,
because they're sending nude photos of Katy.
- Right.
- I think we should get Paul back on.
- He said, "Okay, we're here."
I guess Sam is back.
[computer chimes] - Oh.
- Hey. - Hey.
- How you doing?
- What's up?
Well, we've got an update.
I'm gonna share my screen.
- Okay. - We went through her photos,
and we did an image search, and we got a hit.
It brought us to this profile.
Katy [bleep].
It certainly looks as though Katy has been married
as of October.
I mean, like, you know, it seems pretty legit.
[somber piano music]
- Okay.
♪ ♪
- So we messaged Katy.
Here's where it gets more interesting.
When we just Googled "Caitea [bleep],"
you can see here there's a Reddit page that says,
"Caitea [bleep] is a catfish."
[tense music]
- Look at Sam. Sam.
Sam just had the most gratifying smile on her face.
♪ ♪
- Now, this isn't proof that she's fake.
But it certainly raises some red flags.
- But honestly, I want to believe that she's real.
With everything in me, I want to believe it.
Because that was two years of my life.
I mean, you can't get that back.
- Right.
But look, Paul, we're kind of burying the lead here,
because we did end up hearing back from Katy.
♪ ♪
- Okay.
- I said, "Do you know why we're calling?" And she said,
"Well, I don't know exactly, but I have an idea."
And I said, "Well, what do you mean?"
And she said, "Well, there have been people over the years
"who have reached out to me,
"because they thought they were talking to me.
And it's not the first time this has happened."
So I said, "Well, have you heard of a guy named Paul?"
And she said, "I don't remember getting a message from him."
And we asked her if she could send us a video...
- Right. - Sort of just to confirm
that she is the girl in the pictures.
So there she is.
♪ ♪
- Okay.
- Hi. My name is Katy,
and I never talked to a guy named Paul on Xbox.
♪ ♪
- Not her voice. Definitely not her voice.
No. No.
♪ ♪
- So, if that's not her voice...
- Not her voice. Not at all. - And that is the girl
in the pictures saying she's never talked to you,
that for me confirms
that whoever you were talking to wasn't this girl.
- Right.
I mean, it's bull[bleep].
Right. She knew everything about me.
- Right. - Like, I was hoping to God
it was a catfish. Don't get me wrong.
But now that it might possibly be a catfish,
it kind of, like, really pisses me off,
because, like, Paul told her personal information.
- Right.
- Well, here's what's weird.
On the phone call with Katy,
we mentioned that you had been sent nude photos of her...
- Right. - And asked her
if photos of her did exist.
And she said yes. She had naked photos.
That then means that somehow those photos
got either shared or taken.
Now, it doesn't necessarily get us any closer
to figuring out who it is.
But at least at this point we know who it's not.
- Right.
- Sam, if it's okay, I'd actually--
I would love to take a minute and just talk with Paul,
just to kind of check in with him.
- Yeah. All right, sounds good. Good night, guys.
- Well... - It feels like--yeah.
- Your face is, like,
telling me everything I need to know.
- I'm pissed. I'm pissed.
Absolutely pissed.
Feels like [bleep].
- Like, if they're not real, if they're not who they really
are portraying themselves out to be,
were their feelings real?
- Definitely. I need to know why.
Honestly, I really would.
I mean, it's embarrassing. I mean, this is--
it's honestly embarrassing, is what it is.
It's embarrassing and degrading.
- ♪ Hunger ♪
♪ Pulling closer ♪
♪ Starving for your attention ♪
Ten years.
♪ ♪
Was it all just mind games? What was it?
- I mean, it hurts more to not know if anything was real.
It ain't funny to play with people's heads.
It really isn't.
Two years of my life gone.
I mean, I don't know if she's sick and twisted
or what it is, but I definitely need to find out
so I can put it behind me and move on with my life.
♪ ♪
- All right, so look, let's call it for tonight,
because it's late, and we've been doing this for a while.
- Okay.
- But we'll check in with you in the morning
and hopefully see if we can figure out
what the heck's going on here.
- I appreciate it, man. I really do.
- All right, Paul. - Sorry, Paul.
- All right, guys. Thank you.
- Woof. - He's hurt, man.
I mean, this is still very much an active wound.
- Just think about your first love
and then to think that it was all a lie.
That's heartbreaking for anyone.
- All right, well hopefully, tomorrow morning,
we'll get a break, or we'll get some new information
that might lead us towards the truth.
- Good night.
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
- Okay. It's day two.
And I put on a nice shirt, because I mean business.
Who is this Caitea girl? Time to get serious.
Time to get real.
[computer chimes]
- Hello. I see you.
You're glam.
- [laughs]
- You look great all the time.
But, you know, a little sprucy spruce is never wrong.
- So I reached out to the real Katy last night
to see if maybe she knows anything else.
Let's see if she gets back to us.
Let's text Paul.
- Poor thing.
Oh, he texted. Oh, he texted. He's coming.
I guess he's coming in the Zoom.
[computer chimes] Hey.
- Hey, Paul. - What's up, guys?
- How are you feeling?
- A little upset still.
A little upset. I didn't go to bed until,
like, 6:00 last night in the morning.
- What? What were you doing all night?
- Talking with Sam till about 4:00.
Couldn't sleep.
[phone dings]
- Hold on. I got a text. Wait.
So the real--the real Katy just texted me and said,
"Hey, have you figured anything out yet?"
[tense music]
- I'm just trying to, like, speculate.
'Cause who would know personal details
about the real Katy's life, like,
have access to nude photos of her?
Who would have motive against her?
- Oh. She just texted me.
"What's the Zoom link?"
- Well, we did ask her to Zoom yesterday,
but she was at work, so she couldn't.
- I mean, look, at the very least,
you can now talk to her,
which I think will be helpful for you,
just to sort of have an opportunity
to talk to this girl who you thought
you were in love with for so long
so many years ago. But who knows?
Maybe she actually has some-- something else to tell us.
- Oh, [bleep]. [computer chimes]
- Oh. - Hi.
- Hi.
- We're missing someone. - Hello.
- Wait, yeah. - She's not here yet.
Hi. Sorry. I'll be right back.
- Wait.
That was weird.
- I mean, who are we waiting for?
- Who are we missing?
What--what just happened?
- I have anxiety.
[tense music]
Why are we just sitting here?
This is awkward.
♪ ♪
[computer chimes] - Oh. Oh.
Oh. Hello.
- Hi.
- Okay, um, what the [bleep]?
- What--what just happened?
- I have anxiety.
[tense music]
Why are we just sitting here?
This is awkward.
♪ ♪
[computer chimes] - Oh. Oh.
Oh. Hello.
- Hi. - Hello.
Hi. - Hi.
♪ ♪
- Hi. - Okay.
Hi, there. We're all a little confused.
We're not sure exactly who's who and what's what here.
So, please introduce-- introduce yourselves.
- So I'm Katy. You guys talked to me yesterday.
And this is Martha.
- Martha. - Hello, Martha. Hello.
- Hi, Nev.
- As you--so, okay. I'm Nev,
and this is Kamie, and this is Paul.
- Hi, Kamie. - Hi.
- Hi, Paul.
- And--well, I'm delighted to meet you
and that you're joining us. I just--
I'm just having a hard time figuring out exactly why.
- I mean, the long and short of it is--Paul, hi.
- Hi. - Nice to meet you.
I don't know who you are.
♪ ♪
But this is my mom.
♪ ♪
This is who Paul was talking to.
- What?
♪ ♪
- I was the one doing the catfishing.
- Wow.
- [bleep].
♪ ♪
- You do realize how young I was, right?
- I do.
♪ ♪
- Katy, when we spoke to you yesterday,
you chose not to tell us about all this.
And I can understand maybe why--
- I mean, who would? [bleep]. I mean, this is embarrassing.
I mean, this is [bleep] embarrassing for me
on so many levels. I can only imagine for her.
♪ ♪
- So wait, Katy, did you know
that this was the case the whole time?
- So I found out everything
roughly two years ago or so.
I was so mad and hurt.
But my mom and I, like,
after finding out, like, we've reconciled.
We're on good terms.
But I know that there are people out there like you
who need closure from what she did.
I definitely wanted to just, like,
tell you everything yesterday.
It was really hard not to.
- Right. - But it's not just my life
that it affects. I mean, it's my mom.
And I had to take her into consideration.
I contacted her pretty quickly after
and was like, "Can we do this?
Can we come clean on everything?"
Because again, I've had other people put me up about this.
And, like, I've told them, and they haven't believed be.
I--I don't know what to do with that.
- I mean, it is hard to believe.
- I'm sorry. I'm--like, I can't--I can't--
I can't speak, 'cause I'm literally,
like, sick to my stomach.
- You're sick to your stomach, huh? Yeah.
- Are we--like, is this honestly the truth?
- 100%. - It's true.
♪ ♪
- When was the last time you were actively using
the Caitea disguise and sort of fake profile?
- Seven years ago? I don't remember exactly, Nev.
- So it has been a while since you've done this.
- Yes. I did go to see a therapist.
That stuff had been worked out years ago.
- But there really is, like, no real explanation
for talking to a young teenage boy
as a grown woman.
- It started because I was in a really
bad place in my life.
I had gotten divorced.
My mom died.
My oldest child went off to college.
And Katy left to go live with a boyfriend.
So I went from having
three people that were the focus of my life
to nothing.
And I was extremely lonely.
And I am making no excuses for my behavior.
It was not right.
I just wanted someone to care about me.
You have no idea how lonely I was.
You have no idea.
- Make a friend, not a boyfriend.
I mean, don't [bleep] take advantage
of a goddamn teenager. Like, what the [bleep]?
Like, I'm literally shaking, 'cause I'm so pissed right now.
♪ ♪
- You have a right to be pissed.
- Okay, so when talking to guys on Xbox,
you used both pictures and the name of your daughter.
Why wouldn't you at least come up with a different name
and different pictures so that people
couldn't associate your actual daughter
to the personality that you had created?
- I was not savvy enough
to even think that what I was doing was wrong.
- You're [bleep] manipulating a 16-year-old, man.
Like, [bleep].
- And at the time, you were roughly
in your 40s?
- Yes.
- That's something clearly that
I think we can all agree is inappropriate.
- I agree.
- I understand being lonely and being, like,
"You know what? I'm gonna get on this video game,
because I want to hang out with my friends on Xbox."
Fine. But it should have ended there.
There is no way, shape, or form, rhyme or reason
why it should have been okay
to take that relationship elsewhere
and start cultivating a relationship
with a high schooler.
♪ ♪
I mean, I believe that the age of consent in Michigan,
where Paul lives, is 16.
But as a 40-year-old-something woman,
you're in these chats on Xbox.
What could you possibly have in common with them, Martha?
- Because those guys were the ones
showing me the most attention...
- Well, yeah. - And the most affection.
- I mean... - And, you know,
that's what I wanted.
- I'm sure that--I'm sure that a 16-year-old boy
is showing you attention and affection
when you're sending them
naked pictures of your teenage daughter.
- Of your [bleep] daughter. Like, come on, man.
- That was Katy's nudes, right?
- Yes.
- And, Katy, please tell me
you were at least 18 when these pics were taken.
- Yeah.
- How were you getting those photos?
♪ ♪
- I got the photos-- when she would go to sleep,
I would go get her phone,
and I would look through for any new
or different photos.
- I'm sure that a 16-year-old boy
is showing you attention and affection
when you're sending them
naked pictures of your teenage daughter.
- Of your [bleep] daughter. Like, come on, man.
- That was Katy's nudes, right?
- Yes.
- And, Katy, please tell me you were at least 18
when these pics were taken.
- Yeah.
- How were you getting those photos?
- I got the photos-- when she would go to sleep,
I would go get her phone,
and I would look through for any new or different photos,
and I would send them to my phone,
and then I would delete
the sending off of her phone.
- Ooh.
- Wow. Like, wow.
♪ ♪
- What is the logic behind that?
Because I'm really--I'm never going to understand,
but I'm trying to for the sake of this conversation.
But what is the logic behind using
nude photos of your daughter?
♪ ♪
- To keep the deception going,
to make it last as long as it could.
- And, Katy, these would have been photos
that you were sending to your actual boyfriend at the time.
- Yep.
♪ ♪
If you guys would have caught me two years ago,
I definitely was furious.
I felt probably about how Paul's feeling right now.
I felt--
- Violated? - Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
This is my mom. This is someone
I'm supposed to be able to trust with everything.
- With your life. - With my life. Literally.
I mean, she brought me into this world.
And to feel
so used and betrayed...
I think we both thought there was a time
that we weren't gonna get past it, that this was it.
But it's my mother.
And knowing everything she's been through,
understanding her perspective--
she didn't even have to explain her perspective to me.
I understood, and I forgave her,
and we moved on, and that was it.
[somber music]
- But I mean, like, how does
a 40-year-old person just do that?
I mean, for so long? It was ten [bleep] years.
Whew.
It's just, like, what the [bleep]?
I mean, how [bleep] up is [bleep]?
That's [bleep] up.
♪ ♪
[exhales]
It actually ruined my relationship
I tried to have afterwards, because I had trust issues.
I had trust issues with a lot of people.
In my head--I'm 16-- you were my first girlfriend.
In my head, every girl is the same after that.
- I--Paul, I'm really sorry. I really am.
I know that I hurt people.
I know that I hurt my daughter.
I struggled...
beyond belief with how to make it stop,
how to make me stop, and I couldn't.
It's just--I could figure out how to get out of it.
- I want to give Paul a break, just to kind of...
- Think about everything and talk to his fiancée
for a minute and sort of gather his thoughts,
let us sort of tie things up
a little bit with Martha and Katy,
and then we'll say goodbye to them,
and then we'll come back, and we'll talk to you and Sam.
- Okay. That's sounds good.
- All right. - All right.
- We'll talk to you in a minute, Paul.
- All right. - Okay.
- Katy, are you okay?
♪ ♪
- I remember just the way she--like,
she would always be taking pictures of me.
And I was just like, "Oh, okay.
I'm your daughter, so I guess that's not weird."
Just, I have a lot of mixed emotions right now.
- The fact that your daughter is here right now for you
and has been through all of this is...
incredible.
- Katy, I'm sorry.
I don't ever want to do anything like that again
to hurt my child, to hurt another person.
I have learned from those mistakes.
- I mean, I think anytime you're re-opening
Pandora's Box, after-- you know, as a mother
and daughter--had already closed that
in your lives--it's going to feel like [bleep].
It should feel like [bleep].
- It should. - It should.
You were using your maturity, as a grown adult
to mind [bleep] a 16-year-old boy.
- I came on here to do this because I love my daughter.
I want to finally come clean.
I just--I'm so sorry.
I am sorry.
- We'll say good-bye for now, I guess.
- All right, guys.
- See you. - Bye.
- Thank you.
[computer chimes]
- I mean, you know what?
People always ask, like, "What's the craziest,
weirdest thing that you've seen on your show?"
And this might be the new answer for that.
- I just hope Paul is okay.
- So let's bring Paul and Sam back in now.
[computer chimes]
- Y'all...did you tell her?
- That took quite a turn.
- Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. - Yeah. That's...
- Paul, how do you feel? - Disgusted...
to the point is where I didn't want to disrespect her too much
in front of her daughter, just because of the simple fact
that that's degrading for her too.
But honestly, I'm disgusted. I'm not angry. I'm disgusted.
- Yeah.
♪ ♪
- If there's anything that we get out of this,
it's for you guys to move on, not from Caitea,
but just with each other,
and being closer and more communicative and sharing more.
- Ohh.
- It's okay.
I love you.
- Listen, I don't know the ins and outs
of you guys' relationship,
but we got to get you two down the [bleep] aisle.
I'm ready for a wedding. Come on.
You've got three kids together, eight years together.
Let's get the white dress, and let's go.
- Thanks for letting us into this weird, wild, wacky story.
- Thank you. - Thank you, you guys.
- [inaudible]. - Good luck.
- Bye. - Bye.
- ♪ It's a brand-new start ♪
♪ A brand-new start ♪
♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh, it's a brand-new start ♪
♪ A brand-new start ♪