- ♪ MTV ♪
- Victoria first started talking with Anthony
when she was 16.
- I trust him with my feelings. - Why do you trust him?
- What could he possibly be lying about?
- Is he in a relationship?
- Oh, Anthony. Go back.
He said, "I don't trust Victoria."
- What?
He is coming.
Oh!
[dramatic music]
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
- Max is 40.
- Mm-hmm. - He's thriving.
And you missed a great party. - I know.
I'm really sad I missed the birthday.
I am. I'm sad I missed it.
- You sent him a nice message, though?
Or was there a birthday post?
- I'm starting to feel faint.
[laughter]
Back to work. Max would want us
to get back to work. - Mm, he definitely would.
All right, we got an email here
from Victoria G.
"Hey, Nev and Kamie, I'm Victoria."
- She actually said "Kamie and Nev," but...
- You know what? You're right. I somehow saw that--
- Yep, it's fine. - I read that wrong.
- ♪ You wanna ♪
- "Hey, Kamie and Nev,
"I'm Victoria.
"I'm 24 years old and from Austin, Texas.
"I've been in a relationship with a guy named Anthony
"since I was 16.
"I know what you're thinking, but he's really great.
"He's 29, a model, and lives in Los Angeles.
"He was my first online friend and boyfriend.
"He's seen me grow up
and has helped me through all my firsts."
- ♪ You wanna feel it like you felt it on the first try ♪
- "He's been there for me all these years.
We talk a lot."
- ♪ I wanna feel it like I felt it on the first try ♪
- "He's everything I want in a guy.
"He's funny, he has his stuff together,
and he's fine as hell."
- Purr. - "But in the eight years
"I've known him, we have never had a FaceTime
"or even a phone conversation.
"And recently when I pressed him on it,
"we got into a fight and he blocked me.
"I'm fed up, but I still care about him.
"I hold every guy to the Anthony-standard,
"and I can't move on until I get some answers.
"Please help.
Victoria."
- [clears throat]
- You know, obviously, on one hand,
this guy sounds great.
He's been this guidepost for her
along the eight years of her life
where she's grown and matured, and he's been there for her.
- And they have this weird "relationship."
- They've never talked on the phone.
So what kind of relationship are you really having?
- Should we call her? - Yes.
She needs our help.
[line trilling]
- Hello, hello. It's Nev and Kamie.
- Victoria. - Oh, excuse me.
It's Kamie and Nev.
- Yeah, Kamie first. It's Kamie first.
- We just read your email and Kamie pointed out
that you wrote "Dear Kamie and Nev."
- Mm-hmm. - And I was curious
why you did that.
[laughter]
- Okay. - Yes, exactly.
See? You know the vibes.
- Anyway, Victoria,
we just obviously read your email.
Whoo, we got some questions. - Mm-hmm.
- You want answers. So do we.
- You live in Texas,
but "Anthony" lives in Los Angeles.
- Allegedly.
- So could you come just meet us here?
And if it turns out that he's here,
that'll save us both a flight.
- All right. Well, great. So we'll fly you out here
and figure this Anthony mystery out.
- See you soon. - See you soon.
- Bye. - She sounds with it.
- She sounds very mature. - She sounds great.
She sounds mature, so what is she doing
talking to Anthony for eight years?
- All right. Well, I guess we'll find out.
[upbeat music]
All right.
Victoria Beckoned.
- That's clever.
- Here we are. [both laugh]
- I'm excited to meet her.
Victoria?
- What's up? - Hi.
Good to meet you. - Nice meeting you.
Oh, my gosh, you're so beautiful.
- Oh, thank you so much. I love your lashes.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
- Nice to meet you. - It is nice to meet you.
- Have you been to LA before? - No.
- You look so pretty. - Thank you.
- Welcome-- - Howdy, howdy.
- I got a lot of questions. - I bet.
- I mean... - Mm-hmm.
- Well, my main question is you've been talking
to this guy for so long.
You live not that far away.
How have you not tried to come here and meet him?
- It's definitely come up,
and then it would always be like,
"I'm busy."
- They're always busy, aren't they?
- Always.
- Your suite, madame.
- This is definitely nice.
- Whoo! - [sighs]
- We're glad you're here.
- Me too. Thank you for helping me.
- Okay, so take us back. - Yeah.
- Tell us the whole-- - From the jump.
- So taking it all the way back,
I was 16. I was still in high school.
He randomly added me on Snapchat.
From there we just started talking.
- And are you sending photos to each other?
- He sent me one picture.
Um-- - On Snapchat?
- On Snapchat. And then he was like,
"Send me pics back," like, so it just kind of turned
into me sending pictures back and then him talking to me
in a romantic way.
Never messaged him on Instagram.
- Does he have an Instagram or...
- Yeah, I found it by myself.
- When you first were talking? - Mm-hmm.
- And how do you know it was his Instagram?
- Well, it was his first and last name.
- And did you follow his Instagram?
- Mm-mm, I was like, if you're not following me,
I'm not gonna follow you.
So still talking to him when I'm 16, 17,
but when I was 18,
I got my first real-life boyfriend.
- Mm. - That was a problem.
Cussed me out, so I just blocked him.
- Blocked his number?
- Well, on the Snapchat.
- Oh, still only on Snapchat? - Mm-hmm.
- So you never had his phone number?
- Not until I turned 21. - The Snapchat--
was his Snapchat his full name?
- No, it was [bleep]master.
[dramatic music]
- And his Instagram was [bleep]master too?
- No, so I knew his first and last name.
- [laughing] - 'Cause he gave it to me.
Anthony Foust.
So I got my boyfriend, 18,
and then my relationship lasted until I was 21.
And that's when he came back.
- So you guys start talking?
- Mm-hmm. - You get his number?
- Yeah, and then his number since then has changed
every year.
- His number has changed every year?
- Yes.
- Does he ever say why?
- Mm-mm. - And--
- [laughs] - Well, do you text him
on these numbers?
- Yeah. - But you never talk?
- Mm-mm. - So what's happened
in the last few years then?
- It's progressed into us kind of, like,
risqué talking and risqué photos.
But also he's there for me when I need him.
Like, he was there when I got my first apartment.
He was there when I got my first car.
My first, like, grown-up job.
Like, all those firsts.
- It's nice to have somebody like that.
- Yeah, and also he has his [bleep] together.
Like, he has a job, he's always traveling.
Like, things like that I'm looking for.
- So you believe Anthony is exactly what he says?
- Yeah. I trust him with my feelings.
- Why do you trust him?
- What could he possibly be lying about?
- Well, for starters, what he looks like.
Because otherwise why wouldn't he get on a quick FaceTime
or send you a video?
He's a model.
- Well, models have bad days.
- Yeah, but not bad eight years.
[both laugh]
- What about the fight?
In your email you said you got into a fight.
- So one day, he's messaging me
and he said, and I quote, "Pop a titty."
And I was just like, you know what?
I don't know why we've never FaceTimed,
why we've never talked on the phone.
And I literally said, I was like,
"I'ma write 'Catfish.'"
And he's like, "Go ahead and do it."
And I said "Okay."
And then he blocked me.
- And you still think that this person
is not lying to you?
- Yeah.
- Huh. - I need to see him.
- Yeah. Show us your man.
- So here's his Instagram.
- This is the Instagram of him that you found?
- Yeah. - Anthony Foust.
Los Angeles.
There's a lot of content on here.
He's buff. - Mm-hmm.
- He's cute.
And when he's talking about these modeling jobs--
- He's not being specific.
Just his modeling? - Just modeling.
- I'm concerned. - [laughs]
- Anytime the word "model" pops up on our show--
- I have concerns. - I have concerns.
- Do people know that you've got this friend
Anthony that you talk to?
- Um, I mean, I try to tell, like, my friends,
and then they were kinda like, "That's weird."
But my friend Kia, she knows.
Like she's known since I was 16.
- Oh, wow. - To now.
- So she knows everything?
She knows all the details from start to finish?
- Yeah. - But she's the only one?
- Yeah. - What's her deal?
Does she have a man?
- She has a girlfriend.
- Yeah, that's very presumptuous of you.
- [laughs] - Well, I was trying to get
to whether or not she might be interested in women.
- Oh.
- Because maybe it's your friend.
- No.
We've been friends since the second grade,
so I don't think, like, she would randomly one day--
I'm 16--just randomly just add me.
- Yeah, and you feel pretty confidently
that it's him-- that it's this guy?
- Clearly, there's some things that ring bells in my head.
I'm not stupid, but like-- - Red flags.
- Yeah, I just wanna know like all these years, like,
who have I been confiding in this whole entire time?
- All right. Well, I wanna know.
- Me too.
We've got our marching orders.
Send us an email. All the info that you have.
Everything. - Okay.
- We'll get back to you.
Bye. - Bye.
- Always a model.
All right. Well, what do you think?
I mean, come on.
- You already know. - It's obviously not that guy.
- Obviously.
I think that the idea of Anthony
that Victoria's created in her mind
is that of her 16-year-old self.
- The timing wasn't right.
And it's been almost a decade,
and now the timing could finally be right.
If the one guy that she's been sort of using
as her gold standard ends up being full of [bleep],
where does that leave her?
- We're gonna find out.
One way or another.
- Let’s do it.
- [humming]
[upbeat music]
- All right.
We’ve got a lovely young woman, \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hVictoria, 24.
And when she was 16,
Anthony followed her \h\h\h\hon Snapchat.
\h\h\h\hShe was into the fact that he had his life together.
They talk for a few years, but then Victoria ended up
\h\h\hgetting a real boyfriend, who she dated for three years.
When it finished, she got back \h\h\h\hin touch with Anthony.
And they’ve been talking \h\h\h\h\h\h\hever since.
- Most of their conversations \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hare on Snap.
- Right, but she found \han Instagram account
that she believes is him.
\hNow, he didn’t share that account with her,
\h\h\h\h\hnor did he follow or any way engage with her
on that Instagram account.
But Victoria has been reserving \h\h\h\h\ha very special place
\h\h\h\hin her heart for this guy Anthony.
\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - So let’s see
if she sent us an email \h\hwith all the info.
Yes, she did.
"Hey, guys, here’s what I know \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\habout Anthony.
"His last name is Foust.
He’s 29, a model."
\h\h\h\hHis phone numbers are most recently a 917,
which is a New York City \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hnumber.
\h\h- Mm-hmm. - And a 347.
"His Instagram is Sasukemaki.
His Snap is [bleep]master, but I’m blocked right now."
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Good. - "Thanks again, Victoria."
All right, Kamie. \h\h- It’s great.
\h\h\hWe gotta-- - Ladies’ choice.
What do you wanna do first?
- I think that we should look \h\h\h\h\h\hat the Instagram.
- Wait. What’s his Instagram?
\hSa...sukemaki. Oh, there he is.
Anthony Foust.
- Anthony Foust.
- Model and musician.
Originally from Brooklyn, \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hNew York.
Currently lives in Los Angeles.
- There’s a lot of content \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hon here.
\h\h\h- Yeah, right? His page has some serious engagement.
- It does.
- I mean, it feels legit.
\hBut she’s never actually interacted with this page.
- It’s not him. - It’s not him.
\h\hIt can’t be him. It’s a legit account.
Just not who she’s talking to. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
- Get anything else.
If you have a Snapchat,
and you’re comfortable \h\h\h\hposting photos
\h\hon other platforms because you’re a model,
you’d post a picture \h\h\h\hof yourself.
\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - Like it’s crazy.
- Yes, but it’s like how \h\h\h\hcan we prove it?
- Well, hopefully by getting \h\h\h\h\hin touch with him.
All right, let’s send him \h\han Instagram message.
Hey, Anthony.
Okay, sent.
Okay, so I wanna just, like, \h\h\h\hreach out to someone
who looks like is close friends \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith him.
\h\hWho is this guy? - My little brother.
- Oh. Oh, here he is. \h\h\h\h\hKingsouley.
So let’s message this guy.
\h\h\h\h\h"Hey, this is Nev from the Tv show "Catfish."
"We could use your help \h\h\h\h\hwith a case."
- Mm-hmm.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- All right. So let’s keep on going here
\h\h\h\h\hand let’s, uh, I guess run the numbers?
I mean, I know these \hare gonna be bogus.
[tense music]
\h\hOkay, so this number comes back with nothing.
Let’s try the other old number \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hjust in case.
Ooh, five possible owners.
How is this number coming back \hto so many different people?
Anthony Ny, Anthony Meany.
- Oh, Anthony N-Y.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Mm. - So maybe whenever "Anthony"
registered the number \h\h\h\hfor himself--
\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right. - He must’ve made it
under Anthony NY, New York.
[cell phone ringing] \h- Oh, oh! H-Hello?
- Hey, this is Nev. Who’s this?
- Oh, amazing.
We saw you because Sasuke--
- Oh, okay. Cool.
- He posted a picture of you \h\h\h\h\h\hon his Instagram.
- Do you know who I am and the TV show I make?
- Oh, great. Okay.
We’re making an episode of the show right now.
And we suspect that someone’s been using Anthony’s pictures
and pretending to be him.
- For eight years.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah, and he’s using his name too,
Anthony Foust. \h\h\h\h- Yeah.
- Unless your cousin’s actually \h\h\hbeen talking to this girl
for the last eight years.
So the question right now, \his he in a relationship?
- Okay. And as far as you know,
he doesn’t have a friend \h\h\h\h\hwho he’s known
\h\h\h\hfor a long time online called, um, Victoria, does he?
\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right. I also messaged him,
and I’m hoping he’ll get back \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto me
’cause I would love to ask-- \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
- All right, amazing. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay.
- If you speak to him,
please let him know that we would love
to talk to him. \h- Thank you.
- Yeah, thanks so much, man.
- Later. \h- Bye.
\h\h\h\h- All right, so whoa. Lotta surprises in that call.
- Lotta surprises. \h\h- First of all,
Anthony is married. \h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
- So even if it is him, \h\h\h\h\h\h\hnot good.
Second of all,
\h\hthis friend has never obviously heard him talk
about anyone named Victoria. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Mm-hmm.
- So the chances \hof it being him
are getting infinitely smaller.
\h\hEven if it is him, when Victoria finds out
that the real Anthony \h\h\h\h\his married,
she’s gonna be very upset.
[knock at door]
[upbeat music]
- Hey. - Hey.
\h\h- Ooh. - Ooh, wow.
\h\h\h\h\h- Right. - Oh, looking good.
- What’s up? \h- Nothing.
- You haven’t heard anything?
Last night, you didn’t get hit up by anybody?
- Nope. Nothing.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- All right. Well, look, found some stuff
that I think you should see \h\h\hthat’s helped get us
a little bit closer \hto understanding
what’s going on here.
\h\h\h- Okay. - All right.
So his Instagram name \h\h\his Sasukemaki.
\h\hLots of posts. Lots of engagement.
\h\h\h\h- Okay. - It’s active.
\h\h\h\h\hThis seems to suggest that Anthony is a real person.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Mm-hmm. - But is this the Anthony
you’re talking to?
So we did some phone searches.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Mm-hmm. - One of the numbers comes back
to five potential owners,
one of which is Anthony NY,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hor New York, which seems somewhat promising.
The next thing we did
is we sort of went through \h\h\h\h\h\hhis Instagram.
\h\hHis most recent photo is a screenshot of, uh,--
\h\h- A FaceTime. - Him FaceTiming.
We ended up talking \h\hto kingsouley.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hAnd we just said, "Hey, how do you know Anthony?
\h\h\h\hWhat’s his deal? Is he in a relationship?"
\h\h\h\h- He’s like, "Yeah, he’s married.
And he has a daughter."
- What?
- So that obviously came \h\h\h\h\h\h\has a shock.
If it is him,
what’s he doing talking to you \h\h\h\h\h\hwhile he’s married?
- Like, I wouldn’t just send \h\h\hnudes to a married man.
That’s not my thing.
- Or is it potentially someone \h\h\h\h\h\hentirely different?
\h\hSomeone stealing both his photos and his name.
Look, whenever we are dealing \h\h\h\h\h\hwith a situation
where someone’s been talking \h\h\h\h\h\h\hfor this long--
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Mm-hmm. - And they’ve never been
\h\h\h\h\hon the phone, there’s always a chance
that it could be someone
whose voice you either \h\hwould recognize...
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - Or it the sort of opposite
gender than what’d you expect.
- I don’t know who would do \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthis to me.
- Do you have any friends \h\h\h\h\hfrom New York?
- Yeah, Kia’s from New York.
\hHer girlfriend’s from New York too.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Is that a long-term relationship?
- Um, they’ve been together \hfor like a year, I think.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay, so not like forever, but--
\h\h- Yeah. - A while.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - But you’ve never had
any reason to believe that Kia \h\h\hhas a crush on you or...
\h\h\h\h\h- Oh, no. - Liked you before?
- Oh, no. Absolutely not. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- No.
- I still think it’s Anthony.
[laughs]
- But would that even be \h\h\h\h\h\ha good thing?
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Girl. - Well, now that like
if he’s married, of course not.
But, like, I don’t know.
- Well, we did message him.
\h\h\h\h\h- That’s true. - And he didn’t respond.
Why would you not respond?
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - If you’re not doing anything.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Like, it makes me feel uneasy.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hLike, ’cause it’s been eight years.
\h\h\h\h\hWho knows about me, and I don’t know about them?
- Check our messages. Maybe he messaged us.
- Oh, he wrote back. \h\hJust wrote back.
- Ooh!
\h\h\h\h- He said, "I don’t trust you
"and I don’t trust Victoria.
But we need to talk, \h\h\hand I think..."
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- What? - "It needs to be in person."
\h\h\h- What? [phone chimes]
- "I’m at Mineral Wells \h\h\hin Griffith Park.
\h\h\h\h\hMeet here?" Okay, Anthony. Fine.
We will meet you there.
I think we should go hear \hwhat Sasuke has to say.
- Saucy Sasuke.
- [laughs]
- Got a attitude.
♪ ♪
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I mean, I was completely ready
to eliminate Sasuke Anthony \h\hfrom this whole thing.
And then that message...
\h\h\h\h- "I don’t trust you, and I don’t trust Victoria."
- I didn’t do nothing \h\h\h\hto that man.
- Mineral Wells.
♪ ♪
\h\h\h\h\h- All right. Should we check it out?
- Yeah.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I don’t see why we’re supposed to trust
that he’s gonna meet us here.
- Oh, here’s someone coming down the path.
\h\h\h- [gasps] - Right there.
- Look, right here.
- That’s definitely him, right? \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
That’s him.
And he’s definitely coming in \h\h\h\hwith some animosity.
- Yes.
\h\h\h\h\h- What’s up? - Hey, man. What’s up?
- Hi.
- How are you?
- Anthony, it’s a pleasure. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Anthony.
I wasn’t sure to call you-- \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Kamie.
\h- Anthony. - Or Sasuke.
- Yeah, it’s whatever. \h\h\h\hWhatever works.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay. - What’s going on right now?
- Well, we actually were hoping
you might help us figure \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthat out.
- This...
\h\h\h\h\h--I don’t do all this extra [bleep].
You feel me? Like I’m personal. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right.
- So when I’m getting threatening messages
\htalking about "Don’t talk to ’Catfish’ and [bleep]"--
- Who said that? \h- A Victoria--
a Victoria page.
That’s weird to me.
\h\h\h\h\h- All right, well, let me try and clear this up.
All right, so this is Victoria.
Since Victoria was a teenager,
she’s been talking to this guy online,
\hand he’s told her his name is Anthony
and sent some pictures of you.
- I’ve never spoken to her \h\h\h\h\ha day in my life.
[soft somber music]
\h\h- So you’re not the [bleep]master?
- Nah, I got a girl. \h\h\hI got a child.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right. - I don’t--I’m not into that.
\h\h\h\h\hThat’s too much. - We didn’t think you were.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Uh-huh. - So if you don’t mind,
who’s this person--somebody \h\h\h\h\hwith the account
Victoria has been telling you \h\h\h\h\hnot to talk to us?
’Cause that could be \h\h\hthe same person
that Victoria is talking to.
- As you can see...
- Okay, do you mind if I just? \h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah, of course.
\h\h\h\h- All right, so you got a message
from a victoriouslylmao \h\hwith zero followers
\h\h\h\h\h\hthat just says, "Stay away from ’Catfish.’
"They’re trying to mess \h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith you.
Stay away from it."
So someone was trying
to get you not to talk to us.
\h\h- Yeah, basically. - Because it’s probably
the same person.
- It’s definitely the same person.
\h\h\h- That’s been pretending to be you talking to Victoria.
- It all makes sense now.
\h\h\h- I’m--I’m sorry that that even happened to you.
But...
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hSorry? You know what I mean.
both: It’s not your fault. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
\h- All right, well, we just--we’re trying
to clear that up.
Huh.
Anyway, yeah. Good to meet you. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Pleasure.
- Thank you. \h- Stay up.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hBe a holy woman. - [laughing] Good to meet you.
Thanks for coming.
- Thanks, Anthony. \h\h\h\h\h- Right.
- ♪ Wake up just to see that ♪
- [sighs]
- ♪ Gone ♪
\h- I feel bad ’cause I know that you still were thinking
that it could’ve been him.
\h- ♪ Never real, they never stay ♪
♪ When they like you, \h\h\hthey walk away ♪
♪ Oh, oh ♪
\h- Like, I can’t say I don’t feel nothing.
And it sucks.
I just kinda feel disappointed.
Like, I just feel like it’s, \hlike, gonna be no answers.
\h\hLike, I’ve been talking to this man since I was 16.
- ♪ Wake up just to see ♪
- And then it’s like
I don’t know where to go \h\h\h\h\h\h\hfrom here.
- ♪ Gone ♪
- Like eight years, \h\hlike, it sucks.
\h\h\h\h\h\h- Mm-hmm. - And then it’s like
I don’t know where to go \h\h\h\h\h\h\hfrom here.
So what are the next steps?
Like...
- Well, we could still text \h\h\h\htheir phone number.
This is Nev from "Catfish."
We would love to speak \h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith you.
Sent.
\h\h\h\h\hBut I don’t see why we don’t potentially also try
the Snapchat route.
So I’ll just add him here.
And potentially try to talk \h\h\h\h\h\h\hto him here.
[phone chimes] \h\h- [gasps]
- Oh! - Oh.
- [bleep] added us on Snapchat.
[laughs]
Should I say hi?
- Snapchat is not obvious \h\h\h\h\h\hthat it’s us.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - So maybe it’s just a normal--
\h- Just--they just checked-- - Be like, "Hey, new friend."
\h\h\hBut also, Snapchat, you can put your location
on your profile, right?
- Oh, yeah. Look. Oh!
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Oh. - They’re on the map. [gasps]
\h\h\h\h\h- What is it, what is it, what is it?
- Charlotte, North Carolina.
- That’s where my friend lives.
- Which friend? \h\h\h\h- Kia.
\h\h\h\h- It’s him! - Kia is the friend
with the girlfriend? \h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
\h\h\h- That you don’t think has ever had a crush on you?
- It can’t be.
Never. Never, never, never.
- Well, they’re in Charlotte.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hI’m confident that we can coax this person
into hopefully meeting up \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith us.
\h\h\h\h\h\hAnd I think if we’re in Charlotte,
it’s a heck of a lot easier \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto do that.
- Yeah.
\h\h\h\hMight as well. I have nothing to lose.
- Listen.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Buddy. - We know you’re in NC.
Meet you on Friday.
[dramatic music]
- I know that you wanna think
that Kia could not possibly \hbe responsible for this.
But what if it is her?
\h- That would take a detrimental toll
on our friendship.
[sighs]
I don’t even wanna think \h\h\habout it being her.
- I mean, the real question \his like do you know where
in Charlotte your friend lives?
- Actually, I think my mom \h\h\hhas her address too.
- Text your mom, and I think \h\hwe should get outta here,
so that we can start getting \h\hready to leave tomorrow.
- Oh, Charlotte.
Here we come.
- ♪ Yeah ♪
♪ Eight in the morning, \h\h\h\h\h\hwaking up ♪
\h\h\h\h\h- All black? - All black travel fit.
You know? - Period.
- Well, I’ve got a new suitcase
that I’m very excited about.
- That’s cute.
- ♪ Up for me, she said ♪
- Any updates? Any news?
- I talked to Kia last-- \h\h\hwell, this morning.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Really? - I texted her and I was like,
"Hey, we’re gonna go \hto North Carolina."
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hMm-hmm. - And what’d she say?
\h\h\h\h\h- She said, "Oh, my God, bitch."
- Is excited? \h\h\h- Yeah.
So we left it at that.
She hasn’t responded since. \h\hI think she’s at work.
- Right. \h\h- So.
- Oh, my God. All right.
Well, look, the Snapchat \hlocation from yesterday
is our best lead right now.
At least we know they’re \h\h\hin North Carolina.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - So if we’re there,
we can start poking around, \h\hand we can bother them,
and maybe we’ll get lucky.
All right, you ready? \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- No.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yup. - We’re gonna do this?
- Yeah.
\hOne. - Hey!
- ♪ Makin’ ’em talk ♪
♪ Makin’ ’em, makin’ ’em ♪
♪ Makin’ ’em talk ♪
♪ Watch me ♪
♪ Makin’ ’em talk ♪
- All right.
- ♪ Makin’ ’em talk ♪
\h\h- Going up to the hotel until the morning, friends.
Logging off.
- All right. Good morning.
- Good morning. - Good morning.
- Well, we haven’t heard \h\hanything back still.
- I did text him. \h\h\h\h\h\h- Oh.
- Texted Anthony? \h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
I said, "Hey, I’m in Charlotte.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h"They’re accusing my best friend for playing me,
"and it’s now or never.
What’s good with you?"
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Wait, so if that is your best friend,
now she knows... \h\h\h\h- Uh-huh.
- That we think it’s her.
\h\h- Uh-huh. - Very true.
- All right, well, this is-- \h\hyou know what? It’s fine.
It’s inevitable.
We’re showing our cards.
- We’re already here. \h\h\h\h- We’re here.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I mean, my mom did give me the address
for her when I--remember-- \h\h\h\h\h- Oh. Kia’s add--
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Wait.
Gimme Kia’s address. \h\h\h\h\hWhat is it?
- It is 1801-- \h\h\h- Uh-huh.
- [bleep] Avenue.
- Oh!
He wrote me just now. \h\h\h\h\h\h- [gasps]
- Wait. - Whoa.
It just said, "Okay.
"I know I don’t have a choice \h\h\h\h\hsince you’re here.
I’ll meet you."
\h\h- Uh-huh. - So hold on.
\h"You are making the right choice.
When and where can we meet?"
Oh, wrote back! [gasps]
- What? - What?
- Wait, [bleep] Avenue.
- 1801 [bleep] Avenue. \h\h\h\hSound familiar?
\h\h\h\h\hThat’s the address-- - That’s your friend’s address?
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - That’s Kia’s address.
- Just when I was ready to say \h\h\h\h\h\hthat it wasn’t her.
[suspenseful music]
- I mean,
\h\h\h\hI don’t think that’s a coincidence.
♪ ♪
- I’m just gonna assume \h\h\h\h\hit’s a person
in the same apartment complex.
- "Okay. Cool.
"We will head there now.
See you soon."
- That’s crazy to think \hthat your best friend
\h\h\h\hfrom childhood would be catfishing you for eight years.
- Why don’t we just go and hear \h\hit from the horse’s mouth?
All right.
- I’m as ready as I’ll ever be.
Let’s go.
- Okay.
\h\h\h\h- I’m gonna hope that she gave the account
to a fine man--
- Who she lives with.
- I don’t know.
I don’t think it’s her.
\h\h- I hope there’s another explanation for all of this.
There has to be.
- There has to be.
- Is it this red one? \h\h\h\h\h- I guess.
\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - ’Cause it--yeah.
All right.
Well, I guess this is it.
\h\h\h\hWhatever happens, whoever opens that door,
\h\h\h\hlet’s just see what whoever this is has to say
\h\hbefore we jump to any conclusions.
- Okay. Let’s do this.
♪ ♪
- All right, well.
♪ ♪
[gasps] He’s coming. - Somebody’s coming.
- Somebody is coming.
♪ ♪
[knock at door]
- Oh.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Oh. [door clicks open]
- Hi.
- How you doing? \h\h\h- I’m Nev.
- Ashanti. - Ashanti.
Hi.
- So come on out.
[tense music]
\h\h\h\h\h- Hi. - Do you know--
\h\h\h\h- Hey. - This person?
- Yes. - Okay.
- It’s Kia’s girlfriend. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yes.
- Oh. Oh, okay.
Is Kia here?
- She’s not here right now.
- Does--but Kia knows--
well, does Kia know we’re here?
♪ ♪
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- No. - Do you know why we’re here?
- I’m Anthony.
\h\h\h\h\h\h- Wait, wait. How’s that even possible?
\h’Cause she’s been talking to Anthony for eight years.
\h\h\h\h- Yeah, um-- - It hasn’t been you
the whole time?
- It has been.
- How?
\h\h\h\h- I found your Snapchat on one of my friend’s Snapchat.
\hHe tagged you in a post, and I added you from there.
- Eight years ago?
- Yeah.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- So just a total random coincidence.
A friend of yours posted \h\h\habout her Snapchat,
and you saw it, and added her.
\h\h\h- Yeah. - As Anthony?
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah. - How then is it possible
that six years later you would meet her childhood best friend
and end up going out with her?
- She posted Kia on her Snapchat,
and that’s...how I met Kia.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Wow. Okay, so you met Kia
\h\h\hbecause you had been catfishing her as Anthony.
- Yeah.
- So Kia doesn’t know
that you’ve weirdly been \h\h\h\hin a relationship
\hwith her best friend longer than you’ve been dating her,
and that you’ve still been \h\h\h\htalking to Victoria
\h\heven while you’ve been in a relationship with Kia?
- No. She doesn’t know.
- [laughs] Oh, my God.
This is crazy.
- [laughing] I’m sorry.
I’m in shock.
- This is [bleep] ridiculous.
- Okay, so do you actively have feelings for Victoria?
- In the beginning, yeah.
But, you know, it never-- \h\hit never went there.
- But it did get sexual. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right.
- I mean, you did ask her \h\h\h\h\hfor titty pics.
- I mean, yeah.
- While in a relationship \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith Kia.
Her best friend.
♪ ♪
\h\hWhere’s Kia? - Right. [laughs]
- ’Cause I wanna call her.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h[laughs] I’m sorry. This is crazy.
- It’s not that I don’t care.
I mean, but it is happening the way it’s happening, so.
- When you started dating Kia,
why didn’t you stop talking \h\h\h\hto her as Anthony?
- But when I really started \h\h\h\h\h\htalking to Kia,
me and Victoria, we weren’t having
that many conversations, \h\h\h\h\hso I was like,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hyou know, maybe it’ll just die down.
- But it-- \h\h- But--
- It didn’t. \h\h\h- Yeah.
\h\h\h\h- And what about when you messaged the real Anthony
to scare him off?
What was that about? \h\h\h\h\h- I just--
I don’t--I don’t know.
- Obviously you didn’t want us \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto be involved
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbecause then that would blow up the truth.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah, I was hoping it--that--I--
\hI really didn’t want it to go this way, you know?
- It’s giving you thought me \h\h\h\hand Kia were stupid.
- Well, I mean, I didn’t \hreally have to do much
for you to...
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay. - Not do more to meet me
all this time. \h\h\h\h- Okay.
\h\h- So. - Mm-kay.
- If you really wanna go there,
you kinda are a little-- a little--a little dumb.
\h\h- Come on now, like, I’m thinking I’m talking
to a fine man.
Like, don’t do me.
\h\h\h- But instead it was a fine stud.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hI mean... - Don’t do me. Don’t--
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- All right, but you know she’s not into--
- You’re dating my friend, \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlike--
- I’m sayin’--I’m just sayin’.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Well-- - At the end of the day--
- Right, so you are attracted \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto Victoria?
- Yeah. \h- Oh.
- Oh. - Oh.
- Is that Kia?
- Yeah. [laughs]
- Hey, bitch.
- Hey, girl. \h\h\h- Hey.
- [indistinct] \h- Oh, my God.
- It’s been that long. \h- Oh, my God, right.
\h\h\h- Hey. - What’s up?
- Hi. - Hi.
\h\h\h- Sorry. - This is Nev,
and this is Kamie.
- Um, do you have any idea
what is going on right now?
- No, it’s cold as [bleep]. \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay.
Well, I wish we could just say \h\h\h\h\hwe were here to visit
\h\h\h\hand say hello ’cause we’re in town,
but you know why we came to North Carolina, right?
\h\h’Cause... - Yeah, yeah.
- Victoria’s trying to figure out who this guy Anthony is.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hRight. Weirdly, that investigation,
if you will, led us here.
♪ ♪
- Mm-hmm.
Take it away.
- What?
- I’m Anthony.
- How are you Anthony?
- Uh...
’cause I am.
I’m Anthony.
- For the last eight years? \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Mm-hmm.
- How did you find Victoria?
How did you find me?
- Um...
Victoria, somebody posted her.
Somebody on my Snapchat \hposted her Snapchat.
Couple years down the line, \h\h\h\h\h\hshe posted you.
I added you as myself.
\h\h\h\h\h\h- And you just been not saying anything in my face,
still talking to Victoria, \hand haven’t mentioned it?
♪ ♪
- [grunts]
♪ ♪
\h\h- Well, bitch, we know who it is.
- Mm-hmm.
♪ ♪
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I’m, like, at a loss for words right now.
\hI’m sorry. - So are we.
\h\h\h\h- I don’t have nothing to say either.
- You don’t at least, like, \hwanna say sorry, like...
♪ ♪
\h\hI’m not forcing you. You don’t have to, but--
- No, yes. I know that.
- Oh, okay.
- I’m sorry, though.
- Keep it.
♪ ♪
It’s always something.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Oh, this isn’t the first time?
- Oh, this is the first time,
but we’ve had other problems,
so it’s not the first time \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hthat, like,
I’ve had "stupid" \hon my forehead.
- It’s just ballsy. It’s crazy. \h\h\h- And don’t seem to care.
- I don’t know--I don’t know \h\h\h\h\h\h\hhow you’re even
looking your girlfriend \hin the eye right now
or her best friend, but you don’t seem
to be that worried.
- Uh, I didn’t mean for it \h\h\h\hto happen this way.
But it’s happening this way, \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hso I’m--
I’m kinda soaking it in like \h\heverybody else, you know?
- But you’ve known the truth \h\h\h\h\h\h\hthe whole time,
\h\h\hso, like, I think what’s surprising to us
is that you’re not making any effort to say, like,
"I’m really sorry" and, like, "This was super [bleep] up,"
\h\h\hand, like, try to salvage either of these relationships.
Like, I don’t get the sense \h\h\hthat you’re trying to
or that you care to.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- I think we should all go inside
and try to have a conversation
to resolve this somehow.
All right.
I think we all have a lot of thoughts and questions,
and I just wanna make sure that all of you say
whatever it is you feel you should say.
- I feel like this isn't even, like, about me
getting catfished anymore, like.
I feel like how do you feel?
Like, this is crazy.
- It is [bleep] crazy.
- Exactly.
- I don't really have much
that I really wanna say right now.
I feel like I said what was necessary to say.
I got my reaction.
I'm not gonna sit here and be all like...
super apologetic.
I get it. Spotlight's on me, but...
I wish it didn't have to happen this way.
[laughs] Like-- - It didn't.
- Everything is weird. - It didn't have to happen
this way.
There were plenty of good opportunities
for you to make better decisions.
- Yeah.
- I'm sorry, I just don't-- I don't have no words
right now.
- Like, are you scared of losing my friend?
- 'Cause you don't act like it. At all.
- It's an intense moment right now.
It seems like I'm treating it like it's miniscule,
but I do care.
I don't wanna lose you.
- You have a really [bleep] weird way of showing it.
- And then it took you mad long to be like, "I care about you."
- It's not like I'm sitting here not expressing my feelings
and like you said, this is not about you.
- I mean, you catfished me, so that's why we're here.
- Like you said, you feel like this is not about that
no more, right? - I--but I wasn't saying that.
- So relax. - Okay.
- I'm so over it, like I'm just so fed up.
Like it's always something.
- Kia, what do you want?
Not just from Ashanti.
What do you want out of love in your life?
- Somebody that respects me.
[soft music]
And doesn't lie.
Someone that's gonna reciprocate what I give them.
- Do you feel like you could do that?
- I do.
- I don't think so.
- But are you saying
that you don't wanna continue a relationship?
- Yeah, she doesn't have to worry about it.
I'll find it elsewhere. It's fine.
♪ ♪
- No words? - Next.
No, it's fine.
- And you just willing to accept that?
- Yeah, what am I supposed to say?
I mean, like, there's nothing else.
I'm not about to get down on my knees, I mean.
- Ashanti, I don't know what to tell you.
A good woman does not come around every single day.
And so when you do find somebody
that is worth getting on your knees and begging for,
I'm not saying you have to physically do it,
but it is good to hear.
- I said what I had to say, and I don't know
if you guys need me to, like, change my tone.
- You say exactly what you wanna say.
For you, Kia, whatever you have to say,
be intentional about what it is that you're saying
and stand behind the words that you're saying.
So if you're saying
"I don't wanna work things out with you.
This is done," mean that [bleep].
But if you're saying,
"I need for you to tell me something
to make me stay,"
then actually say that.
♪ ♪
- I'm not gonna keep going back and forth with her
about little [bleep] here and there, so this is done.
- But you mean that?
- Yes.
- And presumably, Victoria, you're not looking
to have any continued...
- Absolutely not. - [laughs]
You don't want her? - Mm-mm.
- She's on the market now.
- No. - Don't play.
Somebody gonna grab it up.
There's no need for y'all to be funny.
This--it already is what it is.
I understand y'all mad, but--
- You was being funny for eight years.
- Yep. - Mm-hmm.
So I can be funny now.
Ha-ha.
- Well, I hope you're enjoying it.
- I am. Thank you.
- Ashanti, like, of all the people in the room
who should be willing to take a little bit of [bleep]
right now-- - And I am.
I--I am, though. - Yeah, well, yeah,
but even when someone tried to give you, like,
a little attitude, you, like, gave it back.
- Yeah, it's coming back. - And, like,
when you [bleep] up, you have to be willing
to sit and eat some [bleep] and not go tit for tat.
Like you have to just sit there and say, "You're right.
I'm sorry. You're right."
And it sucks, and it doesn't feel good--
it shouldn't feel good.
But learning how to be humble and have some humility
in those moments will go a long way in getting forgiven.
- I hear everything that you guys are saying,
and I'm taking it into account.
Um...
♪ ♪
Yeah. - So okay.
I know you guys live together,
and things are awkward right now.
Why don't we take Kia and Victoria
so you can kinda keep catching up and chatting,
and we'll just say our goodbyes to Ashanti for the moment
if that's cool.
- That's fine.
Thank you.
- All right.
[indistinct] - All right.
- [bleep], here we are in the [bleep] cold again.
- Good to meet you. Good luck with everything.
- Likewise.
- Good to meet you. Good luck.
- Bye, Ashanti.
- ♪ I've had enough of playing victim ♪
♪ It's kinda tough ♪
♪ But I'm ready for big changes ♪
- Man, did I not see that coming.
- And her reaction, I just--
- Kia, are you-- you really feel like that's it?
You think you're done?
- I feel like we've gone through so much
that, like, at some point,
I have to put my foot down. - Right.
Well, I'm just happy you guys are cool.
- Of course. - My biggest worry was that--
- It was gonna be me. - Yes.
- That is fricking beyond me. - [laughs]
- Well, we weren't that far off.
I mean-- - [laughs]
- Anyway, I'm glad we figured this out
and everyone can move on with their lives.
- ♪ Of playing victim ♪
- Period.
- Who wants to get a milkshake?
[laughter]
- ♪ But I'm ready for big changes ♪
- Hey!
- Hey! You're sideways. - You're sideways.
- There she is. - Hey, Queen.
- What's up? - Chilling, working.
I just moved.
- Wait, you just got a new apartment?
- Yeah, I, uh, actually moved in with my, uh, boyfriend.
- What? - Boyfriend!
When did you meet this man? - Yeah. What?
- I've known him for, like, two years,
and we've just kinda been on and off.
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah, we've just been pretty happy.
- That's so great.
- So it's safe to say that you and Ashanti
are not a thing? - Absolutely not.
- [laughs] - Her and Kia are, but--
- Oh. - Oh, they're still together?
- Mm-hmm. - After all that [bleep]?
- Mm-hmm. - Okay.
Does that not make things awkward for you guys
and your friendship? - Not really.
I just carry on like as if she's not there.
- But at least you're so happy, I hope.
- Yeah, this is probably, like, the happiest I've been
in a really long time.
- Well, it's all thanks to us.
- Right. Agreed.
- [laughs]
- And, uh, best of luck with everything.
Stay safe, stay healthy,
and, uh, hopefully we'll see you soon.
- [laughs] - Bye, Victoria.
- Bye. - Bye.
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
- He’s just different than \h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hother guys.
\hHe actually cares and listens to me.
\h- All these catfish always be using fake phone numbers.
I think it’s time for us \h\h\h\hto make our own.
Text that number.
- You’re catfishing \h\h\hthe catfish.
\h\h\h\h\h- Nev and Kamie are on the phone with me.
Do you want to meet up?