1 00:00:01,935 --> 00:00:04,104 - ♪♪ MTV ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,171 --> 00:00:06,373 - Nick talking to England. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:07,908 - He's just different than other guys. 4 00:00:07,975 --> 00:00:09,977 Like, he actually cares and listens to me. 5 00:00:10,043 --> 00:00:13,180 - All these catfish always be using fake phone numbers. 6 00:00:13,247 --> 00:00:15,449 I think it's time for us to make our own Text App number. 7 00:00:15,516 --> 00:00:17,150 - We are catfishing the catfish. 8 00:00:17,918 --> 00:00:19,486 - Nev and Kamie are on the phone with me. 9 00:00:19,553 --> 00:00:21,522 Do you want to meet up? 10 00:00:24,124 --> 00:00:25,859 [line beeping] 11 00:00:27,995 --> 00:00:29,229 - Where are we going? 12 00:00:29,296 --> 00:00:30,564 Oh, [bleep]. 13 00:00:32,165 --> 00:00:33,333 - I'm not going in there. 14 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,536 This is caution. It says, "Don't go." 15 00:00:37,104 --> 00:00:38,705 Get that aggression out. Ooh! 16 00:00:38,772 --> 00:00:41,041 It's always something on this show. 17 00:00:41,108 --> 00:00:43,143 What the [bleep]? 18 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:44,378 What? 19 00:00:44,444 --> 00:00:46,013 [both scream] You [bleep]! 20 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:49,950 I hate you. I hate you. 21 00:00:50,017 --> 00:00:51,985 This is bad manifestation. 22 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:53,921 No. 23 00:00:53,987 --> 00:00:55,622 - Very well thought out and planned. 24 00:00:55,689 --> 00:00:57,224 - I had some help, I had-- 25 00:00:57,291 --> 00:00:58,625 - Not my love life. 26 00:00:58,692 --> 00:01:01,328 It's men that suck, not my love life being dead. 27 00:01:01,395 --> 00:01:02,696 - [laughs] 28 00:01:02,763 --> 00:01:04,431 Okay. Let's see what we got. 29 00:01:04,498 --> 00:01:06,567 "Hi, Nev and Kamie. 30 00:01:06,633 --> 00:01:08,135 My name is Nick." 31 00:01:08,202 --> 00:01:09,770 - ♪♪ I've been looking all around the world ♪♪ 32 00:01:09,837 --> 00:01:12,105 - "I'm 25, and I live about an hour 33 00:01:12,172 --> 00:01:14,441 "outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 34 00:01:14,508 --> 00:01:18,679 "I'm in an odd situation, and I'm hoping you can help me out. 35 00:01:18,745 --> 00:01:21,648 "A little over a month ago, I met a guy named England 36 00:01:21,715 --> 00:01:23,083 "on a gay dating app. 37 00:01:23,150 --> 00:01:25,419 "When we started talking, I got excited. 38 00:01:25,485 --> 00:01:28,555 ♪♪ ♪♪ 39 00:01:28,622 --> 00:01:30,123 "He didn't have a profile picture, 40 00:01:30,190 --> 00:01:33,026 "but we exchanged numbers and started texting right away. 41 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:35,262 "He sent me a photo, and I was all in. 42 00:01:35,329 --> 00:01:37,598 "He said he lived in the area and was looking 43 00:01:37,664 --> 00:01:38,999 "for a serious relationship, 44 00:01:39,066 --> 00:01:41,435 which is exactly what I'm looking for." 45 00:01:41,502 --> 00:01:43,871 - ♪♪ You're the only one that I want ♪♪ 46 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:45,772 - "We made plans to meet a week later, 47 00:01:45,839 --> 00:01:48,709 but when the time came, he ghosted me." 48 00:01:48,775 --> 00:01:49,643 - Oh, boy. 49 00:01:49,710 --> 00:01:52,746 - ♪♪ Far and wide ♪♪ 50 00:01:52,813 --> 00:01:54,581 - "He eventually called me and said 51 00:01:54,648 --> 00:01:56,917 "he was visiting a former client in D. C. 52 00:01:56,984 --> 00:01:58,519 "because she was lonely. 53 00:01:58,585 --> 00:02:01,421 "As far as I know, he cleans houses. 54 00:02:01,488 --> 00:02:03,257 So this made no sense to me." 55 00:02:03,323 --> 00:02:05,325 - Cleans houses. - That's--err-- 56 00:02:05,392 --> 00:02:08,462 - "When I asked if he was some kind of sugar baby, 57 00:02:08,529 --> 00:02:09,796 "he said he wasn't. 58 00:02:09,863 --> 00:02:12,099 "The whole conversation was super weird. 59 00:02:12,165 --> 00:02:15,903 "Since he's come back, we still haven't met or video chatted. 60 00:02:15,969 --> 00:02:19,940 "There must be something he's hiding. 61 00:02:20,007 --> 00:02:22,576 "Hoping for the best, but been burned before. 62 00:02:22,643 --> 00:02:24,912 "I hope you can help me figure this out. 63 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:27,047 Thanks! Nick." 64 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:30,417 The good news is this relationship's only 65 00:02:30,484 --> 00:02:31,585 been going on a few months. - Yeah. 66 00:02:31,652 --> 00:02:33,187 - So Nick's not too far in. 67 00:02:33,253 --> 00:02:34,588 - Let's give Nick a call. 68 00:02:34,655 --> 00:02:36,623 [line trilling] 69 00:02:37,524 --> 00:02:39,626 - Hello? Is this Nick? 70 00:02:39,693 --> 00:02:42,563 - Hey, Nick. It's Nev. - And Kamie. 71 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:46,033 - We just read your email, and now we're 72 00:02:46,099 --> 00:02:47,568 trying to figure out what the heck's 73 00:02:47,634 --> 00:02:49,803 going on with this England guy. 74 00:02:50,537 --> 00:02:51,972 - It sounds like you need our help 75 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:53,473 if you're gonna track this guy down. 76 00:02:54,942 --> 00:02:57,311 - All right. Well, I have so many questions, 77 00:02:57,377 --> 00:02:58,378 but let's do that in person. 78 00:02:58,445 --> 00:02:59,980 We can head out to you 79 00:03:00,047 --> 00:03:01,582 and we'll see what we can figure out. 80 00:03:03,016 --> 00:03:04,484 - See you soon. 81 00:03:04,551 --> 00:03:06,086 - All right. Bye 82 00:03:06,153 --> 00:03:08,088 - I haven't been to Pittsburgh. - Let's do it. 83 00:03:08,155 --> 00:03:10,657 - ♪♪ I love you ♪♪ 84 00:03:10,724 --> 00:03:13,293 - We've got a snowy one for you, folks. 85 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,462 - Whoo. Chilly. 86 00:03:16,864 --> 00:03:18,165 - This is a charming little neighborhood. 87 00:03:18,232 --> 00:03:22,169 - Yeah. A nice very, like, American classic 88 00:03:22,236 --> 00:03:25,372 homeland vibe place. - About to find out. 89 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:27,908 - Here we are. - Move it. 90 00:03:30,477 --> 00:03:33,080 - Ahh! - [laughs] 91 00:03:33,146 --> 00:03:35,616 - Get away from me. You know my hair is straight. 92 00:03:35,682 --> 00:03:37,518 Stop it! - [laughs] 93 00:03:37,584 --> 00:03:40,120 - I have a blowout, Nev. Stop playing. 94 00:03:40,187 --> 00:03:41,288 - Hi, guys. - Hey! 95 00:03:41,355 --> 00:03:42,556 - Hi. - How are you? 96 00:03:42,623 --> 00:03:43,957 - Oh. What's up? We were having a snow fight. 97 00:03:44,024 --> 00:03:45,959 - Yeah. No, we weren't. It was a one-way fight. 98 00:03:46,026 --> 00:03:47,094 - It was an assault. - Welcome to the Burgh, guys. 99 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,729 - Thank you. - Hey, hey, what's-- 100 00:03:48,795 --> 00:03:50,497 I don't know who you are. - Hi. I'm Michaela. 101 00:03:50,564 --> 00:03:51,765 I'm Nick's sister. - Oh, what's up? 102 00:03:51,832 --> 00:03:53,033 - Nice to meet you. - I'm Nick. 103 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:54,168 Nice to meet you. - They look exactly alike. 104 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:55,302 - Nice to meet you. - Hi, Kamie. 105 00:03:55,369 --> 00:03:56,503 - I'm Kamie. Nice to meet you. 106 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:57,838 - Nice to meet you. - I'm a hugger. 107 00:03:57,905 --> 00:03:59,339 - We can take you in our house here. 108 00:03:59,406 --> 00:04:00,274 - Yeah. Let's go. - Won't keep you out 109 00:04:00,340 --> 00:04:02,242 in the cold too long. 110 00:04:02,309 --> 00:04:04,077 - It's cozy in here. 111 00:04:04,144 --> 00:04:05,546 - Ohh. Ooh. 112 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:08,782 So wait, so Michaela, you obviously know why we're here. 113 00:04:08,849 --> 00:04:11,685 - Yes. - What have you heard about 114 00:04:11,752 --> 00:04:13,854 your brother's interesting online relationship? 115 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:16,356 - Pretty much the basics, not too in-depth-- 116 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:19,660 that this guy claims to live in Greensburg as well. 117 00:04:19,726 --> 00:04:21,662 - Which is a small town. No? - It's, like, 118 00:04:21,728 --> 00:04:24,097 you could get anywhere in Greensburg 119 00:04:24,164 --> 00:04:26,633 within, like, 10 to 20 minutes. - Wow. 120 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:28,235 - That was kinda, like, my red flag right there. 121 00:04:28,302 --> 00:04:31,138 - Yeah. How many guys in Greensburg are on Grindr? 122 00:04:31,205 --> 00:04:33,640 It's probably not that many, right? 123 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:36,343 I mean-- - Like 20, 20 to 50, maybe. 124 00:04:36,410 --> 00:04:37,678 - So that's not a lot. - Yeah. 125 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:39,246 - Somewhere around there, and the further 126 00:04:39,313 --> 00:04:41,181 you go down, the farther they get away. 127 00:04:41,248 --> 00:04:42,349 - Right. 128 00:04:42,416 --> 00:04:43,650 - He's originally from Pittsburgh, 129 00:04:43,717 --> 00:04:45,419 and he told me he just moved to Greensburg 130 00:04:45,485 --> 00:04:46,854 and got an apartment. - Aha! 131 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,555 So you go on Grindr, and you must've been like, 132 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:50,757 ooh, some new gay guy's in town, great. 133 00:04:50,824 --> 00:04:51,892 - Yeah. - Right? I mean-- 134 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:53,193 - Well, actually he just messaged me 135 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:55,362 out of the blue, but his profile was blank. 136 00:04:55,429 --> 00:04:56,597 Like, no picture. So-- 137 00:04:56,663 --> 00:04:57,664 - No picture. - Yeah. 138 00:04:57,731 --> 00:04:59,166 That's very like Nick. 139 00:04:59,233 --> 00:05:01,935 So Nick definitely gives people the benefit of the doubt. 140 00:05:02,002 --> 00:05:04,238 - Okay. So he messages you and says what? 141 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:05,305 - "Hey." - "Hey." 142 00:05:05,372 --> 00:05:06,740 - "Hey." 143 00:05:06,807 --> 00:05:08,509 And then I said, "Hey." And then we talked about 144 00:05:08,575 --> 00:05:10,310 what we were looking for, and I wanted to look 145 00:05:10,377 --> 00:05:12,045 for, like, a long-term relationship. 146 00:05:12,112 --> 00:05:13,447 He wanted the same thing. 147 00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:15,082 - Right. 'Cause as I understand, 148 00:05:15,148 --> 00:05:17,017 especially Grindr, often it's just people looking to hook up. 149 00:05:17,084 --> 00:05:18,485 - Hooking up. All the time. It's just-- 150 00:05:18,552 --> 00:05:20,554 - So you guys kind of immediately were just like, 151 00:05:20,621 --> 00:05:21,989 let's be clear, I don't-- 152 00:05:22,055 --> 00:05:23,590 I'm not here just to hook up. - Yes. 153 00:05:23,657 --> 00:05:24,758 - I'm looking for a relationship, 154 00:05:24,825 --> 00:05:26,193 and you thought, oh great, me too. 155 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:28,028 - And then we directly moved to texting after that. 156 00:05:28,095 --> 00:05:29,730 - And he texted you a picture. - Yes. 157 00:05:29,796 --> 00:05:30,998 - Tell us about him. Does he work? 158 00:05:31,064 --> 00:05:32,165 Is he in school? 159 00:05:32,232 --> 00:05:33,767 - He said he owns a cleaning company. 160 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:35,269 So he does cleaning services. 161 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:38,238 He rarely texts me, but he's always calling me. 162 00:05:38,305 --> 00:05:40,107 - That's good. So you heard his voice. 163 00:05:40,174 --> 00:05:41,308 - Yes. Yeah. 164 00:05:41,375 --> 00:05:42,843 - And you guys, like, talked a lot, 165 00:05:42,910 --> 00:05:44,244 like, how does that-- how did that go? 166 00:05:44,311 --> 00:05:46,446 - A lot. We talked all day, and then we talked, 167 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:47,848 like, every day for a week. 168 00:05:47,915 --> 00:05:49,950 - So things got, like, intense quick. 169 00:05:50,017 --> 00:05:52,386 - Intense, yeah. He's just different than other guys. 170 00:05:52,452 --> 00:05:54,755 Like, he actually cares and listens to me. 171 00:05:54,821 --> 00:05:56,924 My dad, he passed a year ago, 172 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:58,559 and usually I don't open up to people 173 00:05:58,625 --> 00:06:00,227 about that stuff right away. 174 00:06:00,294 --> 00:06:02,296 I felt like I could open up to him easily. 175 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:03,897 And he was very understanding about it 176 00:06:03,964 --> 00:06:06,333 and very caring about it. 177 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,035 - Sorry to hear about your dad, though. 178 00:06:08,101 --> 00:06:09,102 - Thank you. - That must have been 179 00:06:09,169 --> 00:06:10,704 really, really rough. - Mm-hmm. 180 00:06:10,771 --> 00:06:14,074 I can see why that relationship then would mean a lot to you 181 00:06:14,141 --> 00:06:16,443 and how things can move really, really fast when you're talking 182 00:06:16,510 --> 00:06:19,613 to somebody about the most intimate details of your life 183 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,582 and, like, where you are emotionally. 184 00:06:21,648 --> 00:06:23,417 Like, that's-- it's always good to have. 185 00:06:23,483 --> 00:06:24,952 - Very important to have. 186 00:06:25,018 --> 00:06:27,654 - Do you guys talk ever about, like, past relationships? 187 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:29,122 - We do. 188 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:30,624 He actually just got out of a relationship 189 00:06:30,691 --> 00:06:33,193 when we started talking, and it was a very bad one. 190 00:06:33,260 --> 00:06:34,561 - What about you? 191 00:06:34,628 --> 00:06:36,363 What's your past relationship history? 192 00:06:36,430 --> 00:06:38,565 - Uhh, not good. 193 00:06:38,632 --> 00:06:40,367 My first boyfriend, I met online 194 00:06:40,434 --> 00:06:41,835 and moved to live with him, 195 00:06:41,902 --> 00:06:44,004 but that ended very, very badly. 196 00:06:44,071 --> 00:06:45,639 He actually stabbed me in my leg. 197 00:06:45,706 --> 00:06:47,074 - Are you [bleep] kidding me? 198 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:48,509 - No, he stabbed me in my leg. 199 00:06:48,575 --> 00:06:50,377 I have, like, scar from it. I had to get stitches. 200 00:06:50,444 --> 00:06:52,746 - What kind of--what--why? What--what? 201 00:06:52,813 --> 00:06:54,114 - It's crazy. Just very abuse-- 202 00:06:54,181 --> 00:06:55,649 He was very abusive. - And we don't think 203 00:06:55,716 --> 00:06:59,753 there's any chance that England could be this ex-crazy. 204 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:01,421 - No, not at all. 205 00:07:01,488 --> 00:07:02,723 - No. - Their voices 206 00:07:02,789 --> 00:07:04,091 are totally different. - How long were you 207 00:07:04,157 --> 00:07:05,158 in a relationship with this guy? 208 00:07:05,225 --> 00:07:06,159 - Oh, my gosh. - Two years. 209 00:07:06,226 --> 00:07:07,961 - Two years, yeah. - Wow. 210 00:07:08,028 --> 00:07:09,830 - And that's what I learned my lesson, you know, 211 00:07:09,897 --> 00:07:11,832 like, don't rush into it like that. 212 00:07:11,899 --> 00:07:13,166 - Wait a second. Hold on. 213 00:07:13,233 --> 00:07:15,736 You're a guy who says he learned a lesson 214 00:07:15,802 --> 00:07:17,571 about not rushing into things. - Yes. 215 00:07:17,638 --> 00:07:21,808 - You meet a guy on Grindr who has no name or profile picture. 216 00:07:21,875 --> 00:07:23,343 And after two months of texting, 217 00:07:23,410 --> 00:07:25,712 you're already thinking this is a serious relationship. 218 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:27,114 It seems like you moved a little fast. 219 00:07:27,181 --> 00:07:29,316 - So here-- if I can explain it. 220 00:07:29,383 --> 00:07:31,852 Me personally, like, I don't--I feel like 221 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:34,054 I'm wrong if I'm talking to multiple guys at once. 222 00:07:34,121 --> 00:07:35,622 - Did you talk about being exclusive? 223 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:36,957 - Yeah, we did. 224 00:07:37,024 --> 00:07:39,993 So I focus on England, and I just want to see 225 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:41,762 if this is going to work out. 226 00:07:41,828 --> 00:07:42,996 If you understand where I'm coming from. 227 00:07:43,063 --> 00:07:45,566 - No, I do. I'm a serial monogamist. 228 00:07:45,632 --> 00:07:46,934 - But hold on a second. 229 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,403 There's a difference between being a monogamist 230 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,606 and being played, 'cause he still won't meet. 231 00:07:52,673 --> 00:07:55,709 - We were talking about meeting up, like, having a little date. 232 00:07:55,776 --> 00:07:57,110 - Why didn't it happen? 233 00:07:57,177 --> 00:07:59,313 - Well, he just ghosted me for a couple of days. 234 00:07:59,379 --> 00:08:02,983 He called me to tell me, like, crazy story, why he ghosted me. 235 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:05,953 He said he had to go visit a former client in D. C., 236 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:08,355 but it's weird to me because she's a 60-year-old lady. 237 00:08:08,422 --> 00:08:11,191 And I asked, like, what do you do when you go there? 238 00:08:11,258 --> 00:08:13,060 And he said, we drink wine together. 239 00:08:13,126 --> 00:08:16,330 And to me personally, like, if she was a former client 240 00:08:16,396 --> 00:08:18,165 of yours, I don't think you should be having 241 00:08:18,232 --> 00:08:19,867 this strange friendship where you 242 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:21,335 drink wine with her. 243 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:24,037 And his clients, they're all, like, elderly women. 244 00:08:24,104 --> 00:08:27,140 And I asked him, I said, "Well, are you a sugar baby? 245 00:08:27,207 --> 00:08:29,009 Like, are you cleaning her house in your underwear" 246 00:08:29,076 --> 00:08:30,310 or something like that?" 247 00:08:30,377 --> 00:08:32,112 - It's a valid question. - Mm-hmm. 248 00:08:32,179 --> 00:08:33,780 - And he's like, "haha," He's like, "Don't say that. LOL." 249 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:36,216 - That's strange, but it's a lot. 250 00:08:36,283 --> 00:08:37,918 - Sure. Sure. - I felt like either 251 00:08:37,985 --> 00:08:39,553 he's not who he says he is, 252 00:08:39,620 --> 00:08:42,055 or he's--there's something he's not telling me. 253 00:08:42,122 --> 00:08:45,559 - Is his Facebook page robust and sort of legit? 254 00:08:45,626 --> 00:08:47,494 - No, he doesn't have a lot of interaction. 255 00:08:47,561 --> 00:08:49,663 Like, he only has pictures of himself. 256 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:51,031 - Hollow. - And it feels hollow. 257 00:08:51,098 --> 00:08:52,366 - What about any other social media? 258 00:08:52,432 --> 00:08:53,867 - He doesn't have any other social media. 259 00:08:53,934 --> 00:08:56,236 - Why haven't you FaceTimed or video chatted? 260 00:08:56,303 --> 00:08:58,472 - I never asked him, but at the same time, 261 00:08:58,539 --> 00:09:00,040 he never asked me anything. 262 00:09:00,107 --> 00:09:02,209 - Okay. - Show us his Facebook page. 263 00:09:02,276 --> 00:09:03,877 - Oh. 264 00:09:03,944 --> 00:09:05,312 We've got chocolate. 265 00:09:05,379 --> 00:09:08,182 [laughter] 266 00:09:08,248 --> 00:09:09,016 Okay. 267 00:09:09,082 --> 00:09:10,584 This is a friendly smile. 268 00:09:10,651 --> 00:09:12,419 - Yeah. He's always worried about how he looks, 269 00:09:12,486 --> 00:09:14,054 he tells me, and I tell him, 270 00:09:14,121 --> 00:09:15,322 like, you don't have to be worried. 271 00:09:15,389 --> 00:09:17,191 Like, I understand self-confidence issues 272 00:09:17,257 --> 00:09:18,258 'cause I have them too. 273 00:09:18,325 --> 00:09:19,860 - Not a lot of likes, though. 274 00:09:19,927 --> 00:09:21,228 - That's what I was wondering, too. 275 00:09:21,295 --> 00:09:22,796 The interactions. You think there'd be 276 00:09:22,863 --> 00:09:24,464 a little more interaction. 277 00:09:24,531 --> 00:09:26,567 - All right, so look, there's a lot of questions about England. 278 00:09:26,633 --> 00:09:28,202 A bunch of them are about what he does. 279 00:09:28,268 --> 00:09:29,703 If his cleaning company is really a cleaning company. 280 00:09:29,770 --> 00:09:31,405 If it's something else. If it's a weird sort of 281 00:09:31,471 --> 00:09:34,107 cover for perhaps some-- - Anything. 282 00:09:34,174 --> 00:09:35,442 - Right. There's also obviously 283 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:36,743 some questions about his identity 284 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:38,412 'cause we haven't confirmed that he is 285 00:09:38,478 --> 00:09:40,113 the person in the pictures. - Correct. 286 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:42,015 - But you're invested already in this guy. 287 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:43,116 - Yes. - You're super interested-- 288 00:09:43,183 --> 00:09:44,518 - Very invested. - Finally meeting, 289 00:09:44,585 --> 00:09:46,053 and pursuing a serious relationship. 290 00:09:46,119 --> 00:09:47,254 - Correct. - All right. 291 00:09:47,321 --> 00:09:50,591 Well, we've got our work cut out for us. 292 00:09:50,657 --> 00:09:51,892 - See ya. - Oh, bye, Kamie. 293 00:09:51,959 --> 00:09:53,360 It was nice meeting you. - We'll see you later. 294 00:09:53,427 --> 00:09:55,896 - I'll see you later. - [sighs] 295 00:09:55,963 --> 00:09:58,498 - I like Nick. - Yeah. 296 00:09:58,565 --> 00:09:59,633 - What a sweetie. 297 00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:02,069 - Nick's in a tough emotional place. 298 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:03,370 He's got a lot going on. 299 00:10:03,437 --> 00:10:05,072 He's dealing with a lot of loss. 300 00:10:05,138 --> 00:10:07,074 He was in an abusive relationship 301 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:09,042 I don't think he's probably fully recovered from. 302 00:10:09,109 --> 00:10:12,913 - Yeah. But also his dating pool is this big. 303 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:14,248 - Right. Obviously, if I had to guess, 304 00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:16,049 I'd say he's not the guy in the pictures, 305 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:17,918 but I just really hope that whatever we discover 306 00:10:17,985 --> 00:10:20,120 is good news because I don't think Nick 307 00:10:20,187 --> 00:10:22,289 can handle any more bad news. 308 00:10:27,995 --> 00:10:31,632 - Well, we have got a live one. All right. 309 00:10:31,698 --> 00:10:33,934 Nick talking to England. 310 00:10:34,001 --> 00:10:36,470 They got really close 'cause they both said 311 00:10:36,537 --> 00:10:38,071 they were looking for serious relationships. 312 00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:39,339 They live in the same place. 313 00:10:39,406 --> 00:10:42,142 Also, Nick's had a really rough five years. 314 00:10:42,209 --> 00:10:43,243 - Yeah. - He meets this guy, 315 00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:44,244 and he thinks, "Oh, my God, 316 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:45,746 "finally, someone gets me. 317 00:10:45,812 --> 00:10:47,114 "Can't wait to go out with him. 318 00:10:47,181 --> 00:10:48,782 Oh, he ghosts me." 319 00:10:48,849 --> 00:10:51,919 And then he gets this weird story about a client 320 00:10:51,985 --> 00:10:54,121 who needed him that was lonely. 321 00:10:54,188 --> 00:10:56,823 The whole thing is weird. We gotta figure this out. 322 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:58,992 Here we go. "Dear Nev and Kamie. 323 00:10:59,059 --> 00:11:00,561 "These are the things I know about England. 324 00:11:00,627 --> 00:11:02,362 "His last name is Gatewood. 325 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:04,665 "He's 28 and originally from Pittsburgh. 326 00:11:04,731 --> 00:11:06,767 "He moved to Greensburg about two months ago. 327 00:11:06,834 --> 00:11:09,236 "Here's his phone number, which is a Pittsburgh phone number. 328 00:11:09,303 --> 00:11:10,470 "Here's his Facebook. 329 00:11:10,537 --> 00:11:11,905 "I can't tell you how much I appreciate 330 00:11:11,972 --> 00:11:13,640 everything you're doing for me. Nick." 331 00:11:13,707 --> 00:11:15,475 So we're here. Let's open his Facebook up 332 00:11:15,542 --> 00:11:17,110 so we have some pictures. 333 00:11:17,177 --> 00:11:19,613 Oh, man. I didn't see this-- this banner pic before. 334 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:20,781 Is that, like, that's him? 335 00:11:20,848 --> 00:11:22,182 - That's not him. Oh, that's him. 336 00:11:22,249 --> 00:11:24,117 - Yeah. That's him with, like, three other dudes. 337 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:25,819 - Wow. - Dressed up nice. 338 00:11:25,886 --> 00:11:28,422 Certainly, this photo is giving me 339 00:11:28,488 --> 00:11:29,990 less like a guy with a cleaning company 340 00:11:30,057 --> 00:11:32,426 and more like business associates, 341 00:11:32,492 --> 00:11:34,094 corporate job vibes. 342 00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:35,329 - Yeah. - Right. 343 00:11:35,395 --> 00:11:37,030 - No, I agree. I feel like maybe 344 00:11:37,097 --> 00:11:38,699 we should save that picture and run it. 345 00:11:38,765 --> 00:11:40,033 - Take this picture, too. 346 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:41,368 All right. So we've got all the pictures. 347 00:11:41,435 --> 00:11:43,270 Should we search 'em? - Let's do it. 348 00:11:43,337 --> 00:11:45,539 - Let's start with this profile pic. 349 00:11:45,606 --> 00:11:48,175 Searching. Searching. 350 00:11:48,242 --> 00:11:49,843 Great. No matches for that one. 351 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:51,445 - Hmm. 352 00:11:51,512 --> 00:11:54,414 Big money, big money, big money, big money. 353 00:11:54,481 --> 00:11:56,850 [imitates sad trombone] 354 00:11:56,917 --> 00:11:58,051 - I'd like to try and figure out 355 00:11:58,118 --> 00:11:59,953 who's in that picture on the steps. 356 00:12:00,020 --> 00:12:02,789 What if I just, like, try and facial recognition search on-- 357 00:12:02,856 --> 00:12:04,525 - PimEyes. - PimEyes. 358 00:12:04,591 --> 00:12:06,426 Come on, find the faces. 359 00:12:06,493 --> 00:12:08,128 - Oh! - Oh, I found one of the guys. 360 00:12:08,195 --> 00:12:10,297 Bingo! We got to hit. 361 00:12:10,364 --> 00:12:11,698 Man, this website's incredible. 362 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:13,734 - This website's [bleep] scary. 363 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,903 - All these years. Board members. 364 00:12:15,969 --> 00:12:18,672 It's a law office's site, and here's that guy 365 00:12:18,739 --> 00:12:19,940 that's next to England in the photo. 366 00:12:20,007 --> 00:12:21,608 - Patrick [bleep]. Scroll down. 367 00:12:21,675 --> 00:12:22,976 - What? Oh, for what? 368 00:12:23,043 --> 00:12:24,611 - We need to look for England's photo. 369 00:12:24,678 --> 00:12:26,146 - Come on, be here, be here. 370 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:27,648 - But he just might not be a board member. 371 00:12:27,714 --> 00:12:28,782 Maybe he's something else. 372 00:12:28,849 --> 00:12:30,284 Maybe he just works on the team. 373 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:31,618 - Yeah. 374 00:12:31,685 --> 00:12:33,654 And if he's a lawyer, why hide that from Nick? 375 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,022 Wouldn't he have said that? 376 00:12:35,088 --> 00:12:36,423 - I would, like, 1,000% would have said that. 377 00:12:36,490 --> 00:12:38,292 - Yeah. All right. Let's search the phone number. 378 00:12:38,358 --> 00:12:41,261 - Uh-oh. 379 00:12:41,328 --> 00:12:42,930 both: "Genevieve." 380 00:12:42,996 --> 00:12:45,966 - Genevieve. - Roanoke, Texas. 381 00:12:46,033 --> 00:12:47,234 - 68. - Huh? 382 00:12:47,301 --> 00:12:48,836 What in the what? 383 00:12:48,902 --> 00:12:51,104 - What if this guy, like, literally is 384 00:12:51,171 --> 00:12:53,540 a house bunny for old ladies and, like, 385 00:12:53,607 --> 00:12:54,942 uses them to be able to get phones. 386 00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:57,211 - Ooh. Maybe that lady bought his phone. 387 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:58,846 Okay. So that's weird. 388 00:12:58,912 --> 00:13:00,113 What else do we wanna look up? 389 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:01,315 Oh, just England Gatewood. 390 00:13:01,381 --> 00:13:02,282 Let's just do a search for that. 391 00:13:02,349 --> 00:13:03,550 That's an unusual name. 392 00:13:03,617 --> 00:13:04,785 - Yeah. 393 00:13:04,852 --> 00:13:07,354 - Oh, wait. So here's an Instagram. 394 00:13:07,421 --> 00:13:09,189 Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 395 00:13:09,256 --> 00:13:10,490 - This is an active Instagram. 396 00:13:10,557 --> 00:13:12,292 It says he's in Pittsburgh, 700 followers, 397 00:13:12,359 --> 00:13:13,560 a lot of people commenting. 398 00:13:13,627 --> 00:13:15,829 - It's not active. 2014. - Oof. Wow. 399 00:13:15,896 --> 00:13:17,497 2014 was the last post. 400 00:13:17,564 --> 00:13:18,565 I wonder why all of a sudden 401 00:13:18,632 --> 00:13:20,434 he just stopped using Instagram. 402 00:13:20,501 --> 00:13:22,336 Look at this comment-- caiti cat. 403 00:13:22,402 --> 00:13:24,638 - "I love you, England. I think you are so adorable." 404 00:13:24,705 --> 00:13:26,106 - This person knows him. - caiti cat. 405 00:13:26,173 --> 00:13:28,709 - And calls him England. I mean, is this just him? 406 00:13:28,775 --> 00:13:30,244 How are we getting this so wrong? 407 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:32,513 Let's message caiti cat. 408 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:34,414 - Hey, caiti cat. 409 00:13:34,481 --> 00:13:35,749 - All right. 410 00:13:35,816 --> 00:13:37,784 I was sure this guy was a catfish, 411 00:13:37,851 --> 00:13:40,087 but I gotta say, after seeing this Instagram, 412 00:13:40,153 --> 00:13:42,856 I'm like, wait a second, this guy's legit. 413 00:13:42,923 --> 00:13:44,324 Let's see what else we have on our Google search for him. 414 00:13:44,391 --> 00:13:47,895 Here we go. Gatewood Services Inc. website. 415 00:13:47,961 --> 00:13:49,997 Cleaning service in Pittsburgh. 416 00:13:50,063 --> 00:13:51,198 Great. 417 00:13:51,265 --> 00:13:52,399 So he does have a cleaning company. 418 00:13:52,466 --> 00:13:53,500 "We go the extra mile. 419 00:13:53,567 --> 00:13:54,768 "Call us today and find out how. 420 00:13:54,835 --> 00:13:56,737 Read more." - Click the reviews. 421 00:13:56,803 --> 00:13:58,272 Excellent, top-notch work. 422 00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:00,607 "England is professional, courteous, respectful, 423 00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:02,142 and on his game." 424 00:14:02,209 --> 00:14:04,778 - It does look like a lot of his clients are older women. 425 00:14:04,845 --> 00:14:06,346 [phone ringing] - Ahh! 426 00:14:06,413 --> 00:14:07,781 - Yes! Hi, this is Nev. 427 00:14:09,416 --> 00:14:11,084 - Hi, how are you? 428 00:14:12,653 --> 00:14:13,921 - I'm great. Thank you. 429 00:14:13,987 --> 00:14:15,389 So we're in Pennsylvania now shooting an episode 430 00:14:15,455 --> 00:14:19,026 of "Catfish," and we're trying to help a young man 431 00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:22,563 who has been talking to another man, 432 00:14:22,629 --> 00:14:26,934 and we went to his old Instagram account 433 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,269 and saw that you had commented on it 434 00:14:29,336 --> 00:14:32,239 and it appeared that you and he were good friends. 435 00:14:33,073 --> 00:14:35,742 - So what can you tell us about your friend, England? 436 00:14:46,253 --> 00:14:48,322 - So the Instagram that we found, 437 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,123 that is for sure England. 438 00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:51,825 - That's him. You hung out with him. 439 00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:58,165 - So you don't know if he's living in Greensburg. 440 00:14:59,967 --> 00:15:01,435 - All right. Well, thank you. 441 00:15:01,502 --> 00:15:02,870 That is actually very helpful. 442 00:15:05,339 --> 00:15:06,740 - Thank you so much for your help. 443 00:15:06,807 --> 00:15:07,908 - Okay, great. Bye. 444 00:15:07,975 --> 00:15:08,876 All right. So wait a second. 445 00:15:08,942 --> 00:15:10,511 This guy's name is England. 446 00:15:10,577 --> 00:15:11,945 We've now confirmed that. 447 00:15:12,012 --> 00:15:13,680 And his Instagram's legit. 448 00:15:13,747 --> 00:15:17,084 So either Nick is talking to the real England or someone's 449 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:19,453 strangely impersonating a real person 450 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,054 using their name and photos. 451 00:15:21,121 --> 00:15:23,490 - Well, there's definitely a huge time gap 452 00:15:23,557 --> 00:15:25,492 from the Instagram, 453 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:27,094 all these pictures from 2014 454 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,364 when Caiti last saw England in real life, 455 00:15:30,430 --> 00:15:33,700 to now, this Facebook page that seems more current, 456 00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:36,036 but also doesn't really look like it belongs to the England 457 00:15:36,103 --> 00:15:37,404 that Nick is talking to, either. 458 00:15:37,471 --> 00:15:40,807 - Right. And why would England open up to him, 459 00:15:40,874 --> 00:15:43,710 share intimate details of their lives 460 00:15:43,777 --> 00:15:45,145 and then just start ghosting him. 461 00:15:45,212 --> 00:15:46,146 - I don't know. 462 00:15:46,213 --> 00:15:47,981 - What's going on with England? 463 00:15:52,953 --> 00:15:54,188 - Nick. 464 00:15:54,254 --> 00:15:55,355 - We've gotta talk. 465 00:15:57,891 --> 00:15:59,459 - All right. Well, good. Keep that energy up. 466 00:15:59,526 --> 00:16:00,661 We're gonna figure this out. 467 00:16:01,762 --> 00:16:03,363 - Okay. All right. 468 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:06,099 [knocks] 469 00:16:06,166 --> 00:16:07,634 Hello. - Hey, guys. 470 00:16:07,701 --> 00:16:09,403 - Hey, what's up bud? - Hey, how are you? 471 00:16:09,469 --> 00:16:11,104 - Good to see you. - Nice to see you. 472 00:16:11,171 --> 00:16:12,172 - We've got a lot to talk about. 473 00:16:12,239 --> 00:16:13,440 - Sounds good. 474 00:16:13,507 --> 00:16:15,008 - Have a seat. - Thank you. 475 00:16:15,075 --> 00:16:16,476 - So we've did some research. 476 00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:17,845 We found some information. 477 00:16:17,911 --> 00:16:20,147 Why don't we just walk you through our process 478 00:16:20,214 --> 00:16:21,949 and show you what we found? - Okay. 479 00:16:22,015 --> 00:16:23,483 - All right. 480 00:16:23,550 --> 00:16:25,586 So, first thing we did was we went to his Facebook page 481 00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:27,154 because that's where all the photos... 482 00:16:27,221 --> 00:16:28,422 - Mostly the photos I've seen of him. 483 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:29,723 - Of him are, right. 484 00:16:29,790 --> 00:16:31,091 We downloaded all the photos that we could get 485 00:16:31,158 --> 00:16:33,827 off of his Facebook page, and we ran all of them. 486 00:16:33,894 --> 00:16:35,529 And there were no hits. 487 00:16:35,596 --> 00:16:37,130 - Is that a good thing? 488 00:16:37,197 --> 00:16:40,200 - Ehh--it's-- - It's hard to say. 489 00:16:40,267 --> 00:16:41,735 Now, here's where it gets interesting. 490 00:16:41,802 --> 00:16:43,136 His banner picture. 491 00:16:43,203 --> 00:16:45,906 This photo suggests, at least to me, 492 00:16:45,973 --> 00:16:50,077 that he's involved in some sort of corporate career to me. 493 00:16:50,143 --> 00:16:51,311 - Okay. 494 00:16:51,378 --> 00:16:52,913 - That doesn't mean that he can't also 495 00:16:52,980 --> 00:16:55,549 have his own cleaning business, but it would be weird to me 496 00:16:55,616 --> 00:16:57,684 if he hasn't mentioned to you, like, oh yeah, 497 00:16:57,751 --> 00:16:59,887 I got my law degree or I'm paralegal. 498 00:16:59,953 --> 00:17:01,421 - Yeah. 499 00:17:01,488 --> 00:17:04,091 - So then, I took this photo to search these guys. 500 00:17:04,157 --> 00:17:06,426 And one of them was a hit. 501 00:17:06,493 --> 00:17:10,163 This guy, who it turns out, works at-- 502 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:12,366 - A law firm or something. - Exactly. 503 00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:13,967 So I was like, oh, that's great. 504 00:17:14,034 --> 00:17:16,870 Because he's in the photo with England. 505 00:17:16,937 --> 00:17:18,705 - England. - They must work together. 506 00:17:18,772 --> 00:17:20,440 - Yeah. That's what it seems like. 507 00:17:20,507 --> 00:17:22,543 - Right. I mean, again, it's sort of odd how this guy's 508 00:17:22,609 --> 00:17:24,111 background doesn't seem to match with 509 00:17:24,178 --> 00:17:26,680 what you know about England. - Yeah. it's a little strange. 510 00:17:26,747 --> 00:17:30,217 - Anyway. So at this point, we started doing phone search. 511 00:17:30,284 --> 00:17:31,618 Now this is where it gets kinda weird. 512 00:17:31,685 --> 00:17:33,253 - Okay. - His phone number comes back 513 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,592 registered to a 68-year-old woman named Genevieve [bleep]. 514 00:17:38,659 --> 00:17:40,327 You don't know a Genevieve. - No. 515 00:17:40,394 --> 00:17:41,428 - He's never talked about Genevieve. 516 00:17:41,495 --> 00:17:42,896 - No Genevieve. 517 00:17:42,963 --> 00:17:44,231 - I don't wanna knock anybody's hustle, 518 00:17:44,298 --> 00:17:46,166 but could he possibly be spending time 519 00:17:46,233 --> 00:17:49,203 with these older women and they're giving him gifts and-- 520 00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:51,371 - Maybe Genevieve bought him a phone. Yeah. 521 00:17:51,438 --> 00:17:52,673 Anything's possible. 522 00:17:52,739 --> 00:17:54,274 - It could also just be a mistake. 523 00:17:54,341 --> 00:17:55,542 - Yeah. - Yeah. 524 00:17:55,609 --> 00:17:58,378 - So then we just Googled England Gatewood. 525 00:17:58,445 --> 00:17:59,880 Pretty unique name. 526 00:17:59,947 --> 00:18:01,348 - Very unique. 527 00:18:01,415 --> 00:18:04,952 - And the first thing that comes up is an Instagram. 528 00:18:06,153 --> 00:18:07,521 - What? 529 00:18:07,588 --> 00:18:09,556 - And there's a lot of pictures here. 530 00:18:09,623 --> 00:18:11,825 Oh, 186 likes and how many comments? 531 00:18:11,892 --> 00:18:13,393 A lot. - That's a lot different 532 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:14,928 than his Facebook. - Exactly. 533 00:18:14,995 --> 00:18:17,631 So maybe his Facebook page is a fake account. 534 00:18:17,698 --> 00:18:20,267 - But this page hasn't been used in a long time. 535 00:18:20,334 --> 00:18:22,402 - Yeah. - So whoever this guy is-- 536 00:18:22,469 --> 00:18:23,670 if this is the guy that you're talking to 537 00:18:23,737 --> 00:18:25,606 or this is someone else-- it looks like 538 00:18:25,672 --> 00:18:27,708 there was a page that was very active 539 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:29,343 for a guy named England Gatewood, 540 00:18:29,409 --> 00:18:32,012 who is the guy in the pictures. 541 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:34,948 As we went through his page, looking for kind of comments 542 00:18:35,015 --> 00:18:37,251 and captions from people, one jumped out 543 00:18:37,317 --> 00:18:38,919 and it was from this girl, Caiti. 544 00:18:38,986 --> 00:18:40,621 "I love you, England. I think you're so adorable. 545 00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:42,789 "I hope we continue to grow into even better friends 546 00:18:42,856 --> 00:18:44,258 than we are now." 547 00:18:44,324 --> 00:18:46,660 We sent her a message, and she called us right back. 548 00:18:46,727 --> 00:18:48,061 - Really? Right away. - Right. 549 00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:49,630 - Okay. 550 00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:52,966 - She basically said that that Instagram is his Instagram 551 00:18:53,033 --> 00:18:53,967 that she had last-- 552 00:18:54,034 --> 00:18:55,202 - So he is probably real, then. 553 00:18:55,269 --> 00:18:58,972 - This seems like he's the real deal. 554 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:00,574 - That's a good first step, at least. 555 00:19:00,641 --> 00:19:01,775 - It is a good thing, but it also 556 00:19:01,842 --> 00:19:03,410 then makes it that much stranger 557 00:19:03,477 --> 00:19:04,745 that he's been so shady. 558 00:19:04,811 --> 00:19:06,146 - Why he's been the way he's been, yes. 559 00:19:06,213 --> 00:19:08,815 - 'Cause if it's him, I'm like, what's the big deal. 560 00:19:08,882 --> 00:19:10,751 Either you're talking to the real England 561 00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:13,053 or someone's impersonating a real person 562 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:14,555 using their name and photos. 563 00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:16,490 So last thing we did was we just wanted 564 00:19:16,557 --> 00:19:17,824 to check out his business, right. 565 00:19:17,891 --> 00:19:19,493 You said he's got this housekeeping business. 566 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,627 So we went to the website, 567 00:19:20,694 --> 00:19:21,895 and I actually have to say, 568 00:19:21,962 --> 00:19:24,865 I found the website to be pretty legit. 569 00:19:24,932 --> 00:19:27,301 It says cleaning service in Pittsburgh. 570 00:19:27,367 --> 00:19:29,503 - Okay. - He's got hourly rates 571 00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:30,604 and then there's some testimonials, 572 00:19:30,671 --> 00:19:31,939 and the testimonials actually, 573 00:19:32,005 --> 00:19:34,408 you know, seem kinda like a lot of his clients 574 00:19:34,474 --> 00:19:35,609 are older women. - Yes. 575 00:19:35,676 --> 00:19:36,610 - Right. - Which leads to 576 00:19:36,677 --> 00:19:37,845 many more questions. 577 00:19:37,911 --> 00:19:39,580 - What do you think about the overall? 578 00:19:39,646 --> 00:19:42,416 - I'm very confused, and I just feel, like, 579 00:19:42,482 --> 00:19:44,151 maybe he hasn't been completely honest 580 00:19:44,218 --> 00:19:45,619 with everything about his life. 581 00:19:45,686 --> 00:19:48,222 I just don't wanna be lied to, you know. 582 00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:50,290 - So now we've gotta figure out, okay, what's the-- 583 00:19:50,357 --> 00:19:51,358 what is the next move? - The plan. 584 00:19:51,425 --> 00:19:52,793 - Right. 585 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:55,195 - I just feel like we need to meet him 586 00:19:55,262 --> 00:19:56,864 and find out in person. 587 00:19:56,930 --> 00:19:58,665 - We need to reach out. - Yes. 588 00:19:58,732 --> 00:20:00,133 I need to reach out. - Well, it could be you 589 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,069 or it could be us. - Well, you're talking to him. 590 00:20:02,135 --> 00:20:05,172 - I feel like you need to sort of stand up for yourself 591 00:20:05,239 --> 00:20:07,674 because more than anything, this experience for you 592 00:20:07,741 --> 00:20:09,676 is less about England and more about you. 593 00:20:09,743 --> 00:20:11,678 - I have to step up and make hard decisions. 594 00:20:11,745 --> 00:20:13,313 - Yeah. - Okay. 595 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:15,816 - Give him a call. - Oh, [bleep]. 596 00:20:15,883 --> 00:20:17,284 - What are you gonna say? [line trilling] 597 00:20:17,351 --> 00:20:18,585 - We can him that we're here? - What are you gonna say? 598 00:20:18,652 --> 00:20:19,953 - Should I tell him you're here? 599 00:20:20,454 --> 00:20:21,622 - What are you doing? 600 00:20:24,458 --> 00:20:28,128 - Okay. Well, do you want to meet up? 601 00:20:28,195 --> 00:20:30,397 And--because I need to talk to you in person, 602 00:20:30,464 --> 00:20:32,132 and I need some answers from you. 603 00:20:38,906 --> 00:20:41,208 - England, it's been--we've talked for, like, two months. 604 00:20:41,275 --> 00:20:43,944 I think it's time that we, you know, meet, at least. 605 00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:51,351 - Nev and Kamie are on the phone with me. 606 00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:53,887 Do you wanna talk to them? Do you want to meet me or not? 607 00:20:53,954 --> 00:20:56,390 - Hey, sorry. This is weird. 608 00:20:56,456 --> 00:20:57,925 So, Nick-- 609 00:20:59,026 --> 00:21:00,160 - Yes, I'm serious. 610 00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:03,830 - Because I just wanted to meet you in person 611 00:21:03,897 --> 00:21:06,133 and every time, you know-- you always give me, you know, 612 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,568 excuses why we can't meet. 613 00:21:08,535 --> 00:21:10,470 - Well, we're not just on the-- I mean, we're actually here. 614 00:21:10,537 --> 00:21:12,706 We're in town with-- 615 00:21:12,773 --> 00:21:14,041 - I'm with them right now. Yeah. 616 00:21:17,544 --> 00:21:19,546 [line beeps] - Oh. 617 00:21:24,818 --> 00:21:26,153 - Yes, I'm serious. 618 00:21:27,154 --> 00:21:28,522 - Well, listen, England-- 619 00:21:31,225 --> 00:21:33,093 [line beeps] - Oh. 620 00:21:34,461 --> 00:21:35,796 - "Nev." 621 00:21:35,863 --> 00:21:37,197 Very hostile. 622 00:21:37,264 --> 00:21:39,299 - I'm mad that he got, like, defensive like that. 623 00:21:39,366 --> 00:21:42,736 Is he so self-conscious that he is so scared to meet me maybe? 624 00:21:42,803 --> 00:21:44,505 - Or it's not him. Hold on a second. 625 00:21:44,571 --> 00:21:46,406 I have an idea. 626 00:21:46,473 --> 00:21:49,142 If he's legit, and he's too busy for you 627 00:21:49,209 --> 00:21:50,911 'cause he's focused on his job. 628 00:21:50,978 --> 00:21:52,679 Like, let's give him some work. 629 00:21:52,746 --> 00:21:54,848 If his cleaning company is really a cleaning business, 630 00:21:54,915 --> 00:21:57,518 let's book a cleaning. 631 00:21:57,584 --> 00:21:59,086 We'll request a booking. 632 00:21:59,152 --> 00:22:01,054 If he's out of town, then he won't be able to do it, 633 00:22:01,121 --> 00:22:02,289 but maybe he is in town. 634 00:22:02,356 --> 00:22:03,991 We could say, hey, here's our address. 635 00:22:04,057 --> 00:22:05,092 We need a cleaning. 636 00:22:05,158 --> 00:22:06,560 - So he can come appraise. - Right. 637 00:22:06,627 --> 00:22:08,529 And maybe he'll say, yeah, let me come over 638 00:22:08,595 --> 00:22:09,730 and do an appraisal or something. 639 00:22:09,796 --> 00:22:12,299 - Okay. - Let me go to the website. 640 00:22:12,366 --> 00:22:14,201 Let's see what happens when we hit get a quote, it asks-- 641 00:22:14,268 --> 00:22:15,335 Okay, so, name. All right, 642 00:22:15,402 --> 00:22:16,970 so what are we putting in for name? 643 00:22:17,037 --> 00:22:18,639 - Well, I can do it 'cause he didn't talk to me on the phone. 644 00:22:18,705 --> 00:22:20,774 - Right. Okay. So what do you want your name to be? 645 00:22:20,841 --> 00:22:22,776 - I always go with Ashley or Amber. 646 00:22:22,843 --> 00:22:25,012 - I'm gonna go with Ashley. - Yeah, Ashley. 647 00:22:25,078 --> 00:22:26,313 - All right, wait, we need a phone number. 648 00:22:26,380 --> 00:22:27,514 Hold on. All these catfish 649 00:22:27,581 --> 00:22:30,450 always be using fake phone numbers. 650 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:32,085 I think it's time for us to make our own text-- 651 00:22:32,152 --> 00:22:33,587 Text Now number. - We're gonna catfish England. 652 00:22:33,654 --> 00:22:35,989 - I can't believe we're making a Text App number. 653 00:22:36,056 --> 00:22:37,124 - We're making a Text App number. 654 00:22:37,191 --> 00:22:38,358 - We are catfishing the catfish. 655 00:22:38,425 --> 00:22:40,294 - I've--okay, great. I think that's it. 656 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,962 That was so easy. - That's too easy. 657 00:22:42,029 --> 00:22:44,932 - So let's put our phone number in. 658 00:22:44,998 --> 00:22:46,300 "How can we help you?" 659 00:22:46,366 --> 00:22:48,068 - Party. Urgent. - Urgent. 660 00:22:48,135 --> 00:22:49,269 - Exclamation point. 661 00:22:49,336 --> 00:22:53,006 - Hello, I'm hosting-- - Private soiree 662 00:22:53,073 --> 00:22:56,343 at my estate. - At my house this weekend 663 00:22:56,410 --> 00:22:59,746 and need the place cleaned. - ASAP. 664 00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:00,914 - ASAP. 665 00:23:00,981 --> 00:23:04,885 Hope you can come today. Thanks. 666 00:23:04,952 --> 00:23:06,186 - That's good. - Oh, my God. 667 00:23:06,253 --> 00:23:07,688 You guys are- we're doing this. 668 00:23:07,754 --> 00:23:09,656 All right. - Submit. 669 00:23:09,723 --> 00:23:12,392 - It says, we'll get back to you soon. 670 00:23:12,459 --> 00:23:14,394 We shouldn't do this at Nick's place, 671 00:23:14,461 --> 00:23:17,197 so let's find out if anyone who's working on the show 672 00:23:17,264 --> 00:23:18,665 locally has a place we can use 673 00:23:18,732 --> 00:23:20,000 'cause he's gonna need our address. 674 00:23:20,067 --> 00:23:21,368 - Mm-hmm. - Come to the house. 675 00:23:21,435 --> 00:23:22,736 - He's gonna wanna know where we are. 676 00:23:22,803 --> 00:23:25,305 - Is this site even updated? - You've got an address? 677 00:23:25,372 --> 00:23:26,607 - Yeah. - Ooh, really. 678 00:23:31,144 --> 00:23:32,279 [phone ringing] - Ooh! 679 00:23:32,346 --> 00:23:34,114 - Ahh! - Oh, my God. I'm clamming up. 680 00:23:34,181 --> 00:23:35,215 - Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's him. 681 00:23:35,282 --> 00:23:36,617 All right. Ready? 682 00:23:37,951 --> 00:23:40,053 - Hello? 683 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:41,889 - Oh, great. Oh, my gosh. 684 00:23:41,955 --> 00:23:46,159 Okay, so I've been scrambling all day because I have 685 00:23:46,226 --> 00:23:49,096 this big party going on this weekend 686 00:23:49,162 --> 00:23:53,567 and my place is just a wreck, and I need it cleaned ASAP. 687 00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:56,436 Are you available to come by to give me a quote? 688 00:23:58,805 --> 00:24:01,175 - I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm in Vanderbilt. 689 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:04,611 - Okay. 690 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,916 - Oh, perfect. That would be amazing. 691 00:24:08,982 --> 00:24:10,517 Can I text you the address? 692 00:24:11,318 --> 00:24:12,719 - Perfect. All right, so I'll text it 693 00:24:12,786 --> 00:24:13,720 to you right now. 694 00:24:15,022 --> 00:24:16,957 - Thank you. - Thanks again. 695 00:24:17,024 --> 00:24:18,358 - Two hours away! - Right. 696 00:24:18,425 --> 00:24:19,760 Definitely means he's around. - Yes. 697 00:24:19,826 --> 00:24:21,628 - He's available. - That doesn't make sense 698 00:24:21,695 --> 00:24:23,297 why he couldn't meet me then, right? 699 00:24:23,363 --> 00:24:26,333 - Okay. So I'm gonna text him the address. 700 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,734 See you soon. - Yeah. 701 00:24:30,170 --> 00:24:32,039 - All right. So should we just 702 00:24:32,105 --> 00:24:33,640 head up there and, like, get set up? 703 00:24:33,707 --> 00:24:34,875 - Yeah. - Mm-hmm. 704 00:24:34,942 --> 00:24:37,110 All right. Let's go get my house cleaned. 705 00:24:37,177 --> 00:24:40,814 [somber music] 706 00:24:40,881 --> 00:24:43,250 - I don't want him to feel like he's walking into a trap. 707 00:24:43,317 --> 00:24:44,918 Should I greet him first, and say like, 708 00:24:44,985 --> 00:24:50,023 look, we tricked you, but clearly you are available. 709 00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:51,291 You aren't out of town. 710 00:24:51,358 --> 00:24:52,759 - And this needed to be done. 711 00:24:52,826 --> 00:24:54,461 - And Nick's inside, and would love to meet with you. 712 00:24:54,528 --> 00:24:55,929 Like, it's your call. You don't have to come in. 713 00:24:55,996 --> 00:24:58,265 If you don't want. But, like, I think you should. 714 00:24:58,332 --> 00:24:59,399 - And who knows? Maybe the house 715 00:24:59,466 --> 00:25:00,767 really does need to get cleaned. 716 00:25:04,171 --> 00:25:06,507 - Amazing. - I know. 717 00:25:08,642 --> 00:25:10,978 - All right. Let's park here, I guess. 718 00:25:11,044 --> 00:25:12,513 - All right, ready? - Yep. 719 00:25:16,083 --> 00:25:18,318 - All right. 720 00:25:18,385 --> 00:25:20,254 I'll text him and ask him if he's close. 721 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,189 So I'll say, hey there. 722 00:25:22,256 --> 00:25:23,924 - ETA? - Yeah. What's your ETA? 723 00:25:23,991 --> 00:25:26,326 - I'm so stressed out. 724 00:25:26,393 --> 00:25:28,862 - Okay. - So what's the plan? 725 00:25:28,929 --> 00:25:30,364 Where's the crew going? 726 00:25:30,430 --> 00:25:34,635 - So you guys--Well, you guys could all be--I guess. 727 00:25:34,701 --> 00:25:35,936 Oh, great. 728 00:25:36,003 --> 00:25:37,271 This is perfect. 729 00:25:37,337 --> 00:25:38,639 There's a big garage right here. 730 00:25:38,705 --> 00:25:39,806 - Okay. - You guys can hang out 731 00:25:39,873 --> 00:25:42,242 in here, listen, and when he's inside, 732 00:25:42,309 --> 00:25:43,310 I'll just come and get you. [phone chimes] 733 00:25:43,377 --> 00:25:44,745 Oh, he said, "Hello. 734 00:25:44,811 --> 00:25:46,480 Looks like I'm about five minutes away." 735 00:25:46,547 --> 00:25:48,415 - We gotta get into position. 736 00:25:48,482 --> 00:25:50,184 - Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. 737 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,489 - [shivering] - It's cold in here. 738 00:25:55,556 --> 00:25:58,058 - It's cold. - He should be here. 739 00:25:58,125 --> 00:26:01,128 [dramatic music] 740 00:26:01,195 --> 00:26:08,268 ♪♪ ♪♪ 741 00:26:09,570 --> 00:26:12,840 Ooh. Someone who just got here. 742 00:26:12,906 --> 00:26:14,975 The car has pulled up. 743 00:26:15,042 --> 00:26:21,548 ♪♪ ♪♪ 744 00:26:22,216 --> 00:26:23,684 [doorbell dings] 745 00:26:24,785 --> 00:26:30,858 ♪♪ ♪♪ 746 00:26:30,924 --> 00:26:31,892 - Hey. 747 00:26:36,129 --> 00:26:37,231 [doorbell dings] 748 00:26:37,297 --> 00:26:40,234 [tense music] 749 00:26:42,035 --> 00:26:43,871 - Hey. What's up, man? 750 00:26:43,937 --> 00:26:45,706 Nev. Good to meet you. 751 00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:48,041 We spoke earlier, briefly. 752 00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:49,343 - What are you doing here? 753 00:26:52,212 --> 00:26:53,747 - Similar to what I was doing earlier, 754 00:26:53,814 --> 00:26:56,517 which was just trying to kinda get you in a position to maybe 755 00:26:56,583 --> 00:26:58,285 wanna meet up with Nick or just 756 00:26:58,352 --> 00:27:01,088 kind of answer some basic questions about, I guess, Nick. 757 00:27:01,154 --> 00:27:03,090 I don't know what your relationship is like. 758 00:27:03,156 --> 00:27:04,458 I only know when he's told me, 759 00:27:04,525 --> 00:27:06,660 but he certainly gave the impression 760 00:27:06,727 --> 00:27:08,762 that you'd indicated that you were interested in him. 761 00:27:08,829 --> 00:27:10,397 Or at least meeting up with him. 762 00:27:10,464 --> 00:27:12,165 We don't like that we had to do it this way, 763 00:27:12,232 --> 00:27:13,500 but if you'd like to come inside, 764 00:27:13,567 --> 00:27:14,835 I'd love to just chat with you for a second. 765 00:27:14,902 --> 00:27:16,870 - Yeah. That's fine. 766 00:27:16,937 --> 00:27:19,173 - The good news is you're you. 767 00:27:21,341 --> 00:27:23,143 Nick is here. 768 00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:24,811 He's bummed and confused and feels like 769 00:27:24,878 --> 00:27:26,380 you guys had a good thing going. 770 00:27:26,446 --> 00:27:28,582 And then it kinda sort of got weird and he's not sure why. 771 00:27:28,649 --> 00:27:32,019 So if you wanna go, you can go, or I can go get him 772 00:27:32,085 --> 00:27:34,021 and we can all just kinda hang out here for a minute 773 00:27:34,087 --> 00:27:36,557 and clear the air and get some clarity. 774 00:27:36,623 --> 00:27:37,858 - Let's meet him. That's fine. 775 00:27:37,925 --> 00:27:39,226 - All right. So why don't you come on in? 776 00:27:39,293 --> 00:27:41,562 I'll go get him. 777 00:27:41,628 --> 00:27:42,763 All right. It's him. 778 00:27:42,829 --> 00:27:45,132 He's here and he's willing to talk. 779 00:27:45,199 --> 00:27:46,400 - Okay. 780 00:27:48,235 --> 00:27:50,070 - Hey, England. What's up? - How's it going? 781 00:27:50,137 --> 00:27:51,405 - Good. How are you? - Good. 782 00:27:51,471 --> 00:27:55,442 - Are you mad? - I just--I--this is a lot. 783 00:27:55,509 --> 00:27:57,077 - Kamie. Nice to meet you. 784 00:27:57,144 --> 00:27:58,879 I did catfish you, and I apologize. 785 00:27:58,946 --> 00:28:00,247 - This is a lot. 786 00:28:00,314 --> 00:28:02,382 I mean, I was just in West Virginia. 787 00:28:02,449 --> 00:28:05,219 I came here just to do an emergency cleaning 788 00:28:05,285 --> 00:28:07,387 and it's--now it's-- now it's all this. 789 00:28:07,454 --> 00:28:08,922 - We were supposed to, like, meet. 790 00:28:08,989 --> 00:28:10,557 Like, when we first started talking, 791 00:28:10,624 --> 00:28:13,227 you said you were looking for something long-term and I said, 792 00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:15,596 I was looking for something long-term and I asked you 793 00:28:15,662 --> 00:28:18,232 before I messaged you and asked if you were still interested, 794 00:28:18,298 --> 00:28:20,367 and you just don't say anything. 795 00:28:20,434 --> 00:28:21,568 - I am interested. 796 00:28:21,635 --> 00:28:23,170 I mean, there's just a lot going on. 797 00:28:23,237 --> 00:28:25,672 I mean, I have a lot going on with my business and, you know, 798 00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:28,108 there may be something that you don't know, too, as well-- 799 00:28:28,175 --> 00:28:30,043 - There's something I don't know, isn't there? 800 00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:31,378 - Yeah. I mean, I've-- 801 00:28:31,445 --> 00:28:33,080 I mean, I've been talking to someone else, too. 802 00:28:33,146 --> 00:28:36,850 Like, also--like, just juggling, like two people. 803 00:28:36,917 --> 00:28:40,787 - Wait, so you're--you are sort of in another relationship? 804 00:28:40,854 --> 00:28:42,289 - Yeah. Like, I'm talk-- 805 00:28:42,356 --> 00:28:43,857 I mean, like, I've-- I've been--I've been talking 806 00:28:43,924 --> 00:28:46,260 to somebody, like, his name's TJ, 807 00:28:46,326 --> 00:28:48,929 and I've been talking to him before, 808 00:28:48,996 --> 00:28:50,964 like, you know, I started talking to Nick. 809 00:28:51,031 --> 00:28:54,601 And I told--I told you about this person before, 810 00:28:54,668 --> 00:28:56,069 you know, we started talking. 811 00:28:56,136 --> 00:28:57,971 - Oh, was this your ex that you're talking about? 812 00:28:58,038 --> 00:28:59,339 - Yeah. - So he was not 813 00:28:59,406 --> 00:29:01,408 actually your ex, you're still seeing him, right? 814 00:29:01,475 --> 00:29:03,343 - Well, I mean, it's--it's just-- 815 00:29:03,410 --> 00:29:05,879 it was just a muddy water relationship, you know. 816 00:29:05,946 --> 00:29:08,382 - So you started dating this guy TJ before you met Nick. 817 00:29:08,448 --> 00:29:09,583 - Yeah. - And I guess things 818 00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:11,618 with TJ had sort of-- were unclear. 819 00:29:11,685 --> 00:29:12,986 You started talking to Nick, 820 00:29:13,053 --> 00:29:15,189 and then over the course of the last two months, 821 00:29:15,255 --> 00:29:17,257 it's kinda been on, so you've been, like, 822 00:29:17,324 --> 00:29:18,725 keeping Nick at arm's length. - That's why. 823 00:29:18,792 --> 00:29:20,194 - Yeah. - Long story short, 824 00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:22,696 we just wanted to finally get you guys 825 00:29:22,763 --> 00:29:25,699 to meet and just talk to you and find out what was up. 826 00:29:25,766 --> 00:29:27,901 And if he should be hoping to meet up with you. 827 00:29:27,968 --> 00:29:29,536 And where are you serious when you told him 828 00:29:29,603 --> 00:29:31,738 that you were looking for some, like, a long-term relationship? 829 00:29:31,805 --> 00:29:33,574 - Or was that just a lie? 830 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,176 - I mean, it--maybe just to say it just--just to say it, 831 00:29:36,243 --> 00:29:38,579 but I wasn't like, you know- I wanted to at least 832 00:29:38,645 --> 00:29:40,347 meet him and, like, be friends. 833 00:29:40,414 --> 00:29:43,016 - So you weren't in that moment really looking 834 00:29:43,083 --> 00:29:45,485 for, like, a serious long-term monogamous relationship. 835 00:29:45,552 --> 00:29:49,189 You were sort of distracting yourself from the trouble 836 00:29:49,256 --> 00:29:50,991 you were having with TJ and, like, thinking, okay, 837 00:29:51,058 --> 00:29:52,392 maybe I could meet someone nice. 838 00:29:52,459 --> 00:29:54,294 And maybe it could turn in something, but like, 839 00:29:54,361 --> 00:29:57,698 you didn't necessarily think this guy seems great. 840 00:29:57,764 --> 00:29:59,132 I wanna be his boyfriend. 841 00:29:59,199 --> 00:30:00,901 - Right. 842 00:30:03,337 --> 00:30:05,105 - Well, choose your words carefully next time. 843 00:30:05,172 --> 00:30:07,174 - [scoffs] Yeah, I guess so. 844 00:30:07,241 --> 00:30:09,510 It's so much aggravation, and you always just 845 00:30:09,576 --> 00:30:11,712 wanting my time whenever I-- I'm busy. 846 00:30:11,778 --> 00:30:14,014 - I didn't always want--no. - I mean, I'm busy. 847 00:30:14,081 --> 00:30:16,950 So like, you know, if I have time, and I-- 848 00:30:17,017 --> 00:30:18,785 and if I'm available to hang out with you, 849 00:30:18,852 --> 00:30:20,020 then I can make it. 850 00:30:20,087 --> 00:30:21,455 And then I went down to D. C., you know, 851 00:30:21,522 --> 00:30:24,024 and then I was telling him I have a client 852 00:30:24,091 --> 00:30:25,993 that called me and he's like, well, freaking out 853 00:30:26,059 --> 00:30:27,327 why I went down to D. C.. 854 00:30:27,394 --> 00:30:29,363 - I didn't freak out why you went to D. C.. 855 00:30:29,429 --> 00:30:30,931 I was confused. 856 00:30:30,998 --> 00:30:34,201 - There seem to be some sort of unclear explanation as to, 857 00:30:34,268 --> 00:30:35,869 like, what you meant by client. 858 00:30:35,936 --> 00:30:37,437 - What are you implying? 859 00:30:37,504 --> 00:30:40,207 - When we found out that you have this cleaning business 860 00:30:40,274 --> 00:30:42,843 and servicing these older women, 861 00:30:42,910 --> 00:30:44,945 I threw out the idea that maybe you 862 00:30:45,012 --> 00:30:47,114 do services for these women. 863 00:30:47,181 --> 00:30:49,082 - No. - Like sexual services. 864 00:30:49,149 --> 00:30:52,052 - No, no. - So we were way off. 865 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:53,654 - Yeah. So far off, like, 866 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,389 I don't even wanna deal with this no more. 867 00:30:55,455 --> 00:30:59,026 It's a lot. So Nev, Kamie, I'm out. 868 00:30:59,092 --> 00:31:00,460 - Okay. It was nice meeting you, England. 869 00:31:00,527 --> 00:31:02,029 I hope you and TJ-- - All right. 870 00:31:02,095 --> 00:31:03,764 - Thank you for coming. 871 00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:05,532 - It was good to meet you. 872 00:31:12,673 --> 00:31:16,043 Do you guys understand how he was in the wrong? 873 00:31:16,109 --> 00:31:18,912 - 1,000%. Listen, do I think 874 00:31:18,979 --> 00:31:22,115 that you read into what he was telling you? 875 00:31:22,182 --> 00:31:25,319 Yes. But when somebody's giving you their word, 876 00:31:25,385 --> 00:31:27,688 your natural instinct is to trust them. 877 00:31:27,754 --> 00:31:31,325 - Everything--the foundation of England is all false pretenses. 878 00:31:31,391 --> 00:31:34,261 And I took his words too literally, and it sucks. 879 00:31:34,328 --> 00:31:36,797 - All right. Well-- - Let's go. 880 00:31:36,864 --> 00:31:38,398 Let's get out of here. - Yeah. 881 00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:42,903 - He's gone, right? - Yeah, yeah. 882 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,639 - Oh, boy. 883 00:31:45,706 --> 00:31:47,474 - It is what it is. 884 00:31:47,541 --> 00:31:50,511 - Do we think that we're gonna hear from him again? 885 00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:53,146 - I don't know. It doesn't feel fully resolved. 886 00:31:53,213 --> 00:31:55,482 We finally answered the big question. 887 00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:57,584 He is who he says he is. - Correct. 888 00:31:57,651 --> 00:31:59,386 - And I don't know if maybe he's not willing 889 00:31:59,453 --> 00:32:02,055 to admit how he feels because he still thinks 890 00:32:02,122 --> 00:32:03,624 maybe things with TJ could work out. 891 00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:06,126 He doesn't want TJ to find out that he really had feelings 892 00:32:06,193 --> 00:32:08,395 for you this whole time, or if he's insecure 893 00:32:08,462 --> 00:32:10,163 about his feelings and how to express them. 894 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:13,534 I don't know. So I would be curious if possible 895 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,538 to get another chance to talk to him what he might say. 896 00:32:21,275 --> 00:32:23,043 [line trilling] 897 00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:25,579 - Good morning, Nick. How are you? 898 00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:30,184 - We figured you might. 899 00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:32,152 We actually just texted with him. 900 00:32:32,219 --> 00:32:34,488 He seems to be in a better mood. 901 00:32:34,555 --> 00:32:37,291 I invited him to meet us at this coffee shop in town, 902 00:32:37,357 --> 00:32:38,859 told him you would be here. 903 00:32:38,926 --> 00:32:42,196 He's cool with that, and he's going to head over here. 904 00:32:42,262 --> 00:32:44,665 So head over to this place I'll text you. 905 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,068 - Great. Bye. 906 00:32:48,135 --> 00:32:49,736 - All right. 907 00:32:51,805 --> 00:32:54,708 - Ice, ice, ice. 908 00:32:54,775 --> 00:32:56,109 - Thank you. - Hi. 909 00:33:01,181 --> 00:33:03,217 Oh, hello. - Good morning, guys. 910 00:33:03,283 --> 00:33:05,219 - There he is. - Good morning. 911 00:33:05,285 --> 00:33:07,321 - Dude, you look a bit more professional. 912 00:33:07,387 --> 00:33:09,656 - About business. How are you feeling? 913 00:33:09,723 --> 00:33:11,992 What are you thinking? - I just need answers from-- 914 00:33:12,059 --> 00:33:13,327 like, real--real answers. 915 00:33:13,393 --> 00:33:15,329 Like, what his real intention is. 916 00:33:15,395 --> 00:33:17,431 Because yesterday we did talk on the phone. 917 00:33:17,497 --> 00:33:18,665 - Last night? - Yes. 918 00:33:18,732 --> 00:33:21,468 - Wow. Wait, when? How did it go down? 919 00:33:21,535 --> 00:33:23,337 - Totally opposite of how he was yesterday. 920 00:33:23,403 --> 00:33:24,738 He called me and then, like, he just started 921 00:33:24,805 --> 00:33:26,440 talking sexual right away, and I'm just like-- 922 00:33:26,507 --> 00:33:27,708 - What? - He's like-- 923 00:33:27,774 --> 00:33:29,042 which totally contradicts 924 00:33:29,109 --> 00:33:31,879 how he acted when I met him in person. 925 00:33:31,945 --> 00:33:33,780 It did kinda get a little intense. 926 00:33:33,847 --> 00:33:35,849 - But did you guys then start talking, like-- 927 00:33:35,916 --> 00:33:38,785 - Yeah. He got me a little, like, excited. 928 00:33:38,852 --> 00:33:39,953 - Wait. - Nicholas. 929 00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:41,288 - Well-- - [laughs] 930 00:33:41,355 --> 00:33:42,756 - He brought it on first, you know. 931 00:33:42,823 --> 00:33:44,758 - Yeah, no, I get it. But, like, he-- 932 00:33:44,825 --> 00:33:46,093 - And then I really didn't know what to do. 933 00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:47,561 I'm just like-- - So when you first spoke 934 00:33:47,628 --> 00:33:49,196 on the phone last night, he was like, we should meet up. 935 00:33:49,263 --> 00:33:50,731 - No, he started talking sexual. 936 00:33:50,797 --> 00:33:53,333 And then after I was like, okay, well, 937 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,068 I don't wanna do that right away, 938 00:33:55,135 --> 00:33:56,870 but can we at least go on a date first 939 00:33:56,937 --> 00:33:59,806 before, you know--or a couple of dates, just so I can 940 00:33:59,873 --> 00:34:01,542 get to know you a little more. 941 00:34:01,608 --> 00:34:03,010 And he said he was fine with that, 942 00:34:03,076 --> 00:34:05,312 but he also told me that-- he said he doesn't develop 943 00:34:05,379 --> 00:34:06,780 feelings through talking. - How does develop? 944 00:34:06,847 --> 00:34:08,348 - Sex. - Good night. 945 00:34:08,415 --> 00:34:09,883 - What? - The only way he can 946 00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:12,219 develop feelings for someone. - That is so manipulative. 947 00:34:12,286 --> 00:34:13,453 - Yeah. - And gaslighty 948 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,422 - Exactly. - And, like, that's crazy. 949 00:34:15,489 --> 00:34:17,124 - He wants to try to play you in public, 950 00:34:17,191 --> 00:34:18,492 but in private, he wants to be able 951 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,327 to have whatever he wants to have. 952 00:34:20,394 --> 00:34:22,796 - All this guy wants is to have sex with you. 953 00:34:22,863 --> 00:34:24,264 He's playing you! - Mm! 954 00:34:29,069 --> 00:34:31,538 - All this guy wants is to have sex with you. 955 00:34:31,605 --> 00:34:33,273 - He wants to try to play you in public, 956 00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:35,275 but in private, he wants to be able to have 957 00:34:35,342 --> 00:34:36,610 whatever he wants to have. 958 00:34:36,677 --> 00:34:38,178 - He's playing you! [phone chimes] 959 00:34:38,245 --> 00:34:39,580 - Oh. He just texted. 960 00:34:39,646 --> 00:34:40,881 - What'd he say? 961 00:34:40,948 --> 00:34:42,583 - "I'm parking and coming in." - Oh, wow. 962 00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:43,684 That was fast. 963 00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:44,952 Right. So--so listen, 964 00:34:45,018 --> 00:34:46,520 I think we have to have a new strategy. 965 00:34:46,587 --> 00:34:47,888 Let's keep it chill. 966 00:34:47,955 --> 00:34:50,524 And we're going to, on your behalf, 967 00:34:50,591 --> 00:34:52,960 advocate that he leave you alone. 968 00:34:53,026 --> 00:34:54,595 Unless he's serious about developing 969 00:34:54,661 --> 00:34:58,732 a relationship in a way that you are comfortable doing it. 970 00:34:58,799 --> 00:35:00,133 - I like this plan a lot. - Is that okay? 971 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,035 - But I want you to know that we are not on the side 972 00:35:02,102 --> 00:35:03,537 of you having a relationship with this man 973 00:35:03,604 --> 00:35:06,006 outside of this conversation at this table on this day. 974 00:35:06,073 --> 00:35:07,107 [door opens] 975 00:35:07,174 --> 00:35:09,877 Hello. - Hey, how's it going? 976 00:35:09,943 --> 00:35:12,746 - Hey, there. [clears throat] 977 00:35:12,813 --> 00:35:14,147 - Good afternoon. - Good to see you. 978 00:35:14,214 --> 00:35:15,282 How's it going? - All right, all right. 979 00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:16,383 - Good to see you. - Come on in. 980 00:35:16,450 --> 00:35:17,751 Have a seat. 981 00:35:19,853 --> 00:35:23,257 Well, listen, thank you for joining us today. 982 00:35:23,323 --> 00:35:27,761 I think all of us feel sort of strange and a little uneasy 983 00:35:27,828 --> 00:35:30,097 about how things went down. - Yeah. 984 00:35:30,163 --> 00:35:31,899 We tried something different yesterday in an effort 985 00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,700 just to make contact with you. 986 00:35:33,767 --> 00:35:35,569 And though it was effective, it was also 987 00:35:35,636 --> 00:35:38,138 a little freaky and we didn't like the way it went. 988 00:35:38,205 --> 00:35:40,440 And sorry that we sort of, you know, 989 00:35:40,507 --> 00:35:41,875 booby-trapped you a little. - I'll just accept it. 990 00:35:41,942 --> 00:35:43,710 - That's fine. - So I appreciate that. 991 00:35:43,777 --> 00:35:45,179 - Yeah, that's fine. 992 00:35:45,245 --> 00:35:47,114 - But mainly what we wanna do is give you both a chance 993 00:35:47,181 --> 00:35:49,183 to say whatever it is you need to say. 994 00:35:49,249 --> 00:35:52,119 Hopefully, listen to each other clearly 995 00:35:52,186 --> 00:35:56,390 so that there's a clear path forward, whatever that means. 996 00:35:56,456 --> 00:35:59,193 - So last night on the phone, what did you mean yesterday 997 00:35:59,259 --> 00:36:01,828 when you told me that to form a relationship, like, 998 00:36:01,895 --> 00:36:04,097 something long-term, you don't get feelings 999 00:36:04,164 --> 00:36:06,466 by just talking to someone, you have to have sex with them too? 1000 00:36:06,533 --> 00:36:07,734 Is that-- - Well, I didn't-- 1001 00:36:07,801 --> 00:36:09,403 I mean, I didn't mean it by that. 1002 00:36:09,469 --> 00:36:11,104 I mean, I don't know what-- 1003 00:36:11,171 --> 00:36:13,340 Did I actually say that? - Yes. 1004 00:36:13,407 --> 00:36:16,577 - Oh, okay. - Those were your exact words. 1005 00:36:16,643 --> 00:36:19,246 - I mean, it's like, I'm not really-- 1006 00:36:21,048 --> 00:36:24,718 Look, sexual feelings are gonna come, you know, with-- 1007 00:36:24,785 --> 00:36:26,753 you know, if you're talking to somebody for a long time, 1008 00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:27,788 maybe, I don't know. 1009 00:36:27,855 --> 00:36:28,956 But, you know, I don't know. 1010 00:36:29,022 --> 00:36:30,357 Everyone thinks differently. 1011 00:36:30,424 --> 00:36:33,060 - Look, you guys had a chat yesterday. 1012 00:36:33,126 --> 00:36:34,862 But I wanted to know from your perspective, 1013 00:36:34,928 --> 00:36:38,232 like, what the context of that conversation was 1014 00:36:38,298 --> 00:36:41,935 and how that came to be after we obviously 1015 00:36:42,002 --> 00:36:43,904 were no longer present. 1016 00:36:43,971 --> 00:36:45,272 - Just--just to talk to him 1017 00:36:45,339 --> 00:36:46,874 just to, like, hear-- just, like, you know, 1018 00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:48,108 kinda of where he's at. 1019 00:36:48,175 --> 00:36:49,676 Just, you know-- 1020 00:36:49,743 --> 00:36:51,912 and if he does wanna continue being a friend or, you know, 1021 00:36:51,979 --> 00:36:54,047 a friend that has benefits, 1022 00:36:54,114 --> 00:36:55,415 you know, that may come with it. 1023 00:36:55,482 --> 00:36:57,017 - Here's what I think, England. 1024 00:36:57,084 --> 00:36:59,920 I think Nick was confused based off of how you were reacting 1025 00:36:59,987 --> 00:37:02,089 and it seemed like you weren't really interested. 1026 00:37:02,155 --> 00:37:04,358 And then last night, he gets a call from you, 1027 00:37:04,424 --> 00:37:06,994 and you got sexual with him right away. 1028 00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,063 You see how that is confusing, how it's contradictory 1029 00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:11,765 when you're saying one thing in person 1030 00:37:11,832 --> 00:37:13,333 and then behind the scenes, it's like, 1031 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,968 you'd kind of dissed him in public. 1032 00:37:15,035 --> 00:37:17,104 - Okay, like, we're saying, like, we can be friends. 1033 00:37:17,171 --> 00:37:20,307 Okay, we're gonna try to have a friends with benefits 1034 00:37:20,374 --> 00:37:22,543 maybe relationship. - Right. Okay. 1035 00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:23,544 Here's the thing, though: 1036 00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:24,978 Nick may not want that. 1037 00:37:25,045 --> 00:37:28,549 Right now, Nick is a mess. 1038 00:37:28,615 --> 00:37:31,785 He is emotionally confused. 1039 00:37:31,852 --> 00:37:34,655 He's had a very unfortunate sequence of events in his life 1040 00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:39,493 that left him damaged and hurt and very vulnerable, 1041 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,963 especially when it comes to love and relationships. 1042 00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:45,165 You're a bit older, you're a bit more mature, 1043 00:37:45,232 --> 00:37:46,500 you're a bit more experienced. 1044 00:37:46,567 --> 00:37:50,003 But you're also a private, somewhat reserved 1045 00:37:50,070 --> 00:37:51,271 and mysterious person. 1046 00:37:51,338 --> 00:37:54,174 And that combination is leaving his heart 1047 00:37:54,241 --> 00:37:55,609 twisted and his stomach in a knot, 1048 00:37:55,676 --> 00:37:57,177 and he has no idea what to do. 1049 00:37:57,244 --> 00:37:59,079 And I think you need to understand 1050 00:37:59,146 --> 00:38:02,149 that every little thing that you think you're saying to him, 1051 00:38:02,216 --> 00:38:04,918 you're spinning him around, whether you mean to or not, 1052 00:38:04,985 --> 00:38:06,653 like, a [bleep] top, 1053 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,223 and it's hard for him. - Well, I'm not trying to. 1054 00:38:09,289 --> 00:38:11,658 - There's nothing wrong with you expressing 1055 00:38:11,725 --> 00:38:13,527 what it is that you want and what is it you don't want. 1056 00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:15,295 What is it you're ready for and what you're not, 1057 00:38:15,362 --> 00:38:18,565 but I need for you to make it crystal [bleep] clear 1058 00:38:18,632 --> 00:38:20,334 how you wanna move forward. 1059 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,270 - Well... 1060 00:38:23,337 --> 00:38:27,541 I don't wanna hurt your feelings, but... 1061 00:38:27,608 --> 00:38:29,910 we should just stop talking to each other, then. 1062 00:38:31,745 --> 00:38:32,980 - Okay. - Which is fine. 1063 00:38:33,046 --> 00:38:34,414 - That's fine. - Totally fair. 1064 00:38:34,481 --> 00:38:37,417 - So, look, I think we can finally wrap this up 1065 00:38:37,484 --> 00:38:41,288 by saying you guys are both at places in your lives 1066 00:38:41,355 --> 00:38:43,490 that just aren't matching up. 1067 00:38:43,557 --> 00:38:46,126 - Correct. - And that it's probably best 1068 00:38:46,193 --> 00:38:49,496 that you don't pursue anything with each other. 1069 00:38:49,563 --> 00:38:51,265 You're looking for something different. 1070 00:38:51,331 --> 00:38:52,833 As long as you guys understand that-- 1071 00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:55,502 - Okay. - But we're clear about it. 1072 00:38:55,569 --> 00:38:57,037 - Finally. 1073 00:38:57,104 --> 00:38:58,438 - Now that we've cleared that up, 1074 00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:01,074 unless there's anything else, England, 1075 00:39:01,141 --> 00:39:02,476 great to meet you. 1076 00:39:04,478 --> 00:39:06,180 It's been a pleasure. - Me too. Thanks. 1077 00:39:06,246 --> 00:39:07,147 A pleasure. - Good to meet you. 1078 00:39:07,214 --> 00:39:08,849 - You guys can say bye. 1079 00:39:08,916 --> 00:39:10,551 - ♪♪ Taking things slow ♪♪ 1080 00:39:10,617 --> 00:39:12,352 - See you, England. - I can give you a hug. 1081 00:39:12,419 --> 00:39:13,754 I can give you a hug, right? - What? You're giving me a hug? 1082 00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:15,422 - Yeah, that's fine. 1083 00:39:15,489 --> 00:39:18,025 Yeah. [laughs] - All right. 1084 00:39:18,091 --> 00:39:19,893 - Thank you. - Bye. 1085 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,061 - Bye. 1086 00:39:21,128 --> 00:39:22,629 - ♪♪ Why do I keep wondering? ♪♪ 1087 00:39:22,696 --> 00:39:26,500 - [groans] So, you know what he wants. 1088 00:39:26,567 --> 00:39:28,969 Right now, he is not looking for a serious relationship. 1089 00:39:29,036 --> 00:39:29,970 - He wants to [bleep]. 1090 00:39:30,037 --> 00:39:31,104 That's it. - Yeah. 1091 00:39:31,171 --> 00:39:32,773 - So if you wanna [bleep], fine. 1092 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,374 But if you get your heart broke, that's not up to us. 1093 00:39:34,441 --> 00:39:35,943 - Exactly. No one's fault but mine. 1094 00:39:36,009 --> 00:39:37,611 - Don't call us. - Yes. 1095 00:39:37,678 --> 00:39:39,479 - ♪♪ What if you don't ♪♪ 1096 00:39:40,747 --> 00:39:41,949 [computer chiming] 1097 00:39:42,015 --> 00:39:43,584 both: Hey! - Hey, how are you? 1098 00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:45,219 - What's up, handsome? How's it going? 1099 00:39:45,285 --> 00:39:46,553 - It's going good. 1100 00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:48,021 Me and England don't talk anymore. 1101 00:39:48,088 --> 00:39:49,423 - Wow. Okay. - Good. 1102 00:39:49,489 --> 00:39:50,958 Did he try to hit you up, though? 1103 00:39:51,024 --> 00:39:52,759 - Yeah, at first, but I blocked him. 1104 00:39:52,826 --> 00:39:54,061 - Wow. - That's for the best. 1105 00:39:54,127 --> 00:39:54,928 - And I have a boyfriend now, actually. 1106 00:39:54,995 --> 00:39:56,363 - Ah! - Whoa! 1107 00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:57,865 How did you end up meeting your boyfriend? 1108 00:39:57,931 --> 00:39:59,099 - Grindr, of course. 1109 00:39:59,166 --> 00:40:01,201 - And you met him in person? - Yes. 1110 00:40:01,268 --> 00:40:02,269 We went to the movies together. 1111 00:40:02,336 --> 00:40:04,004 - I love that. - I'm so happy 1112 00:40:04,071 --> 00:40:06,840 that you got past the whole England situation. 1113 00:40:06,907 --> 00:40:09,843 Another American gain their independence from England. 1114 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:11,545 - Good night. [laughter] 1115 00:40:11,612 --> 00:40:13,013 - All right, Nick. Well, good luck 1116 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,415 with everything and don't settle, ever. 1117 00:40:15,482 --> 00:40:16,917 - Thank you, guys. Without the show, 1118 00:40:16,984 --> 00:40:18,485 I would have wasted so much more time 1119 00:40:18,552 --> 00:40:21,121 on England, and I would've never found, you know, 1120 00:40:21,188 --> 00:40:23,190 my boyfriend. - Yeah. 1121 00:40:23,257 --> 00:40:24,591 - Our pleasure. - [kisses] 1122 00:40:24,658 --> 00:40:26,393 - Have a good one, guys. Bye. - Later, Nick. 1123 00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:27,995 - Bye. 1124 00:40:28,061 --> 00:40:30,297 [computer chimes] both: Hey! 1125 00:40:30,364 --> 00:40:31,698 - How you doing? - Good. 1126 00:40:31,765 --> 00:40:33,433 - England, we just wanted to check in with you, 1127 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:35,702 kinda find out what's been going on since we saw you. 1128 00:40:35,769 --> 00:40:38,071 - Yeah. I've just been, you know, focusing 1129 00:40:38,138 --> 00:40:39,540 on Gatewood Services Inc. 1130 00:40:39,606 --> 00:40:41,909 And I haven't really been speaking to Nick. 1131 00:40:41,975 --> 00:40:43,844 We kinda just stopped talking. 1132 00:40:43,911 --> 00:40:45,112 It just wasn't a good match. 1133 00:40:45,179 --> 00:40:46,947 - Do you have any regrets 1134 00:40:47,014 --> 00:40:48,382 about the whole relationship with Nick? 1135 00:40:48,448 --> 00:40:51,285 - I mean, I think just being maybe more honest, 1136 00:40:51,351 --> 00:40:54,454 you know, with, you know, myself and, you know, him. 1137 00:40:54,521 --> 00:40:55,856 I think that would have been good. 1138 00:40:55,923 --> 00:40:58,258 - It's good to know that your business is going well. 1139 00:40:58,325 --> 00:40:59,726 - Yeah. - If you ever do decide 1140 00:40:59,793 --> 00:41:01,929 to become a sugar baby, we fully support that. 1141 00:41:01,995 --> 00:41:04,131 [laughter] 1142 00:41:04,198 --> 00:41:06,099 - Oh, God. Oh, my goodness. 1143 00:41:06,166 --> 00:41:07,434 - Seems like things are going well. 1144 00:41:07,501 --> 00:41:09,303 So, happy that it all ended up working out. 1145 00:41:09,369 --> 00:41:10,370 - Thank you. I appreciate it. 1146 00:41:10,437 --> 00:41:11,772 - Take care. - Best of luck. 1147 00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:12,806 - Thanks. - Later. 1148 00:41:12,873 --> 00:41:16,476 - See you. - Bye. 1149 00:41:17,811 --> 00:41:18,745 - Ivy has been talking to Dante. 1150 00:41:18,812 --> 00:41:20,447 - He's very respectful, gentle, 1151 00:41:20,514 --> 00:41:22,015 and like, this is a great guy. 1152 00:41:22,082 --> 00:41:23,150 - That's gotta be him. 1153 00:41:23,217 --> 00:41:24,651 Definitely married with kids. 1154 00:41:24,718 --> 00:41:27,254 - This is taking a physical and emotional toll on you. 1155 00:41:27,321 --> 00:41:31,091 - We gotta do whatever it takes to get this guy to show up. 1156 00:41:31,158 --> 00:41:34,228 - Somebody's sitting there. - It makes me nervous. 1157 00:41:34,294 --> 00:41:35,596 - Dante? 1158 00:41:38,932 --> 00:41:46,039 ♪♪ ♪♪