1 00:00:02,135 --> 00:00:04,004 - ♪♪ MTV ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:07,307 - Keontae gets a message from this hot guy, Tyler. 3 00:00:07,374 --> 00:00:08,542 - We have so much in common. 4 00:00:08,609 --> 00:00:10,210 I feel like I know this man's heart, 5 00:00:10,277 --> 00:00:11,378 and I feel like he knows mine. 6 00:00:11,445 --> 00:00:13,981 - The email is Ty like Tyler? 7 00:00:14,047 --> 00:00:15,282 - Oh, boy. 8 00:00:15,349 --> 00:00:17,117 - Coincidence? 9 00:00:17,184 --> 00:00:18,252 - [gasps] - What? 10 00:00:18,318 --> 00:00:19,219 He's here. - "I'm here." 11 00:00:19,286 --> 00:00:20,487 - Oh, there's a car. 12 00:00:20,554 --> 00:00:23,457 [suspenseful music] 13 00:00:23,524 --> 00:00:24,925 ♪♪ ♪♪ 14 00:00:24,992 --> 00:00:26,527 Oh. 15 00:00:26,593 --> 00:00:29,229 [dramatic musical sting] 16 00:00:29,296 --> 00:00:30,531 [upbeat music] 17 00:00:30,597 --> 00:00:32,032 All right, we're back. 18 00:00:32,099 --> 00:00:33,400 - ♪♪ Walk through doors with confidence ♪♪ 19 00:00:33,467 --> 00:00:34,635 - Morning. - Morning. 20 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:37,037 All right, and here is the office. 21 00:00:37,104 --> 00:00:38,472 Oh! - Hey. 22 00:00:38,539 --> 00:00:40,040 - [laughs] - What's that? 23 00:00:40,107 --> 00:00:41,241 - Huh? - [squeals] 24 00:00:41,308 --> 00:00:42,576 [both laugh] 25 00:00:42,643 --> 00:00:44,044 - Yes! 26 00:00:44,111 --> 00:00:45,913 Yay! 27 00:00:45,979 --> 00:00:47,347 Whoo! 28 00:00:47,414 --> 00:00:49,149 - I guess I deserved that. - You do. 29 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:51,084 Oh, that's kind of messy. 30 00:00:51,151 --> 00:00:53,754 - It's payback for all the times you messed with me. 31 00:00:53,820 --> 00:00:55,789 ♪♪ ♪♪ 32 00:00:55,856 --> 00:00:57,357 Wha! 33 00:00:57,424 --> 00:00:58,825 Aah! - Hey! 34 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:00,127 - Aah, you [bleep]! 35 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:01,995 Still got some confetti on you. 36 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:03,630 - I know. - Revenge. 37 00:01:03,697 --> 00:01:05,232 - All right, anyway. 38 00:01:05,299 --> 00:01:06,600 - ♪♪ I'm ready ♪♪ 39 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:08,535 - Here is our email. We got one. 40 00:01:08,602 --> 00:01:09,970 - "Hey, Nev and Kamie, 41 00:01:10,037 --> 00:01:11,805 "my name is Keontae. 42 00:01:11,872 --> 00:01:14,908 "I'm a full-time student from Toledo, Ohio. 43 00:01:14,975 --> 00:01:16,543 "There's this guy that I've been talking to 44 00:01:16,610 --> 00:01:18,078 for about a year and some change." 45 00:01:18,145 --> 00:01:20,113 - ♪♪ Not saying love, but I'm into this ♪♪ 46 00:01:20,180 --> 00:01:21,348 - "His name is Tyler, 47 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:22,883 and he lives in New York City." 48 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:24,952 - ♪♪ See how this goes, don't question it ♪♪ 49 00:01:25,018 --> 00:01:26,019 - "And he's a model." 50 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:28,121 - [laughs] Here we go. 51 00:01:28,188 --> 00:01:31,358 - "We met when he sent me a DM on Instagram. 52 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:34,528 He was so hot, so I messaged him back." 53 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:36,163 - That's the trap. 54 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:37,464 - "We hit it off pretty quick 55 00:01:37,531 --> 00:01:39,233 "and started messaging constantly. 56 00:01:39,299 --> 00:01:41,468 "A week later, we moved to Snapchat 57 00:01:41,535 --> 00:01:44,505 "because Tyler had a girlfriend at the time 58 00:01:44,571 --> 00:01:46,673 and he didn't want messages being seen." 59 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:48,342 - ♪♪ I ain't telling nobody ♪♪ 60 00:01:48,408 --> 00:01:49,576 ♪♪ Nobody ♪♪ 61 00:01:49,643 --> 00:01:50,744 ♪♪ The way you make me feel ♪♪ 62 00:01:50,811 --> 00:01:52,479 - "It was all a big secret 63 00:01:52,546 --> 00:01:56,583 "because Tyler isn't out as bisexual yet. 64 00:01:56,650 --> 00:01:58,285 "The thing is, it's not like any 65 00:01:58,352 --> 00:01:59,753 "of my previous relationships. 66 00:01:59,820 --> 00:02:04,324 "Tyler is always there for me sexually and emotionally. 67 00:02:04,391 --> 00:02:05,959 "I'm all in. 68 00:02:06,026 --> 00:02:08,095 "But after all this time, 69 00:02:08,161 --> 00:02:11,665 'he still refuses to video chat or link up with me. 70 00:02:11,732 --> 00:02:14,401 "He claims he's afraid to come out, 71 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:16,136 "and that's why he's holding back, 72 00:02:16,203 --> 00:02:17,571 "and I get that. 73 00:02:17,638 --> 00:02:19,039 "I went through the same thing. 74 00:02:19,106 --> 00:02:20,974 "I feel like I've gone out of my way 75 00:02:21,041 --> 00:02:23,277 "to be there as a support to Tyler. 76 00:02:23,343 --> 00:02:25,712 "He says he is excited about coming out to the rest 77 00:02:25,779 --> 00:02:28,749 "of the world, so why can't we just video chat? 78 00:02:28,815 --> 00:02:30,617 "As fate would have it, 79 00:02:30,684 --> 00:02:33,554 "I'm walking in an event in New York for Fashion Week. 80 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:36,423 He wants to meet there for the first time." 81 00:02:36,490 --> 00:02:37,558 - Oh, wow. - Two models. 82 00:02:37,624 --> 00:02:39,059 Two models! 83 00:02:39,126 --> 00:02:40,460 - A model relationship. 84 00:02:40,527 --> 00:02:42,930 - "We're finally just days away from meeting 85 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:45,432 and now his plans are suddenly changing." 86 00:02:45,499 --> 00:02:46,834 - ♪♪ I ain't telling nobody ♪♪ 87 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:48,468 - "He says he's going to be out of town 88 00:02:48,535 --> 00:02:49,970 "and can't meet. 89 00:02:50,037 --> 00:02:53,040 "I'm in Los Angeles right now, staying with a friend, 90 00:02:53,106 --> 00:02:54,274 "before I got to New York, 91 00:02:54,341 --> 00:02:56,176 "and I'm desperate to figure this out. 92 00:02:56,243 --> 00:02:57,544 "You guys are in LA right now. 93 00:02:57,611 --> 00:02:58,846 "Can we please meet? 94 00:02:58,912 --> 00:03:00,614 "I need to know if I'm being lied to. 95 00:03:00,681 --> 00:03:01,748 Keontae." 96 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:03,717 - ♪♪ I ain't telling nobody ♪♪ 97 00:03:03,784 --> 00:03:05,686 - Uh, I don't know. 98 00:03:05,752 --> 00:03:07,888 It's a sticky situation. 99 00:03:07,955 --> 00:03:09,556 Nobody should have to be forced to come out 100 00:03:09,623 --> 00:03:11,358 when somebody else thinks that it's the right time. 101 00:03:11,425 --> 00:03:12,426 It's really a personal decision. 102 00:03:12,492 --> 00:03:14,428 - Right, but Keontae's not saying 103 00:03:14,494 --> 00:03:15,495 he needs to come out. 104 00:03:15,562 --> 00:03:16,864 - Right. - He just wants to, like, 105 00:03:16,930 --> 00:03:18,732 make their private personal relationship 106 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:20,000 a little bit more personal. 107 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:21,134 - Yeah. - Well, let's find out 108 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:22,236 a little bit more. 109 00:03:22,302 --> 00:03:24,872 Let's call him. [line trilling] 110 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:29,176 - Hey, yo. Keontae. - Keontae. 111 00:03:29,243 --> 00:03:31,078 - Uncle Nev and Auntie Kamie. 112 00:03:31,144 --> 00:03:32,579 - Hey. 113 00:03:32,646 --> 00:03:33,780 - We got your email. 114 00:03:35,682 --> 00:03:37,885 - [laughs] - You're in LA, which is great. 115 00:03:37,951 --> 00:03:40,187 We wanna help you with your relationship 116 00:03:40,254 --> 00:03:43,023 because something's going on here with Tyler. 117 00:03:43,557 --> 00:03:44,858 - All right, well, rather than get into it 118 00:03:44,925 --> 00:03:46,827 over the phone, can we just come meet you now 119 00:03:46,894 --> 00:03:48,762 and kind of get the rest of the story? 120 00:03:50,464 --> 00:03:52,599 - Great. We'll see you in a little bit. 121 00:03:53,901 --> 00:03:56,236 - See you soon. - All right. 122 00:03:56,303 --> 00:03:57,604 This is a first. 123 00:03:57,671 --> 00:04:01,475 Tyler is not out as bisexual. - Right. 124 00:04:01,542 --> 00:04:02,743 Right. - And when they met, 125 00:04:02,809 --> 00:04:04,211 Tyler was in a relationship with a girl, 126 00:04:04,278 --> 00:04:06,213 which I think, presumably, is now over. 127 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,981 - Hopefully. - Right. 128 00:04:08,048 --> 00:04:10,284 - Could be why he hasn't FaceTimed with Keontae yet. 129 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:12,653 - Possibly. Yeah. 130 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:14,288 - It's a cute little secluded-- 131 00:04:14,354 --> 00:04:15,422 - Yeah, this is nice. 132 00:04:15,489 --> 00:04:17,824 Okay. All right. 133 00:04:18,492 --> 00:04:19,793 Ah. 134 00:04:19,860 --> 00:04:22,062 - I like this place. - Yeah, this is nice. 135 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:24,665 [knocks] 136 00:04:24,731 --> 00:04:26,834 both: Hey! - Oh, my God. Hey. 137 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:28,068 - What's up? - We're here. 138 00:04:28,135 --> 00:04:29,436 - How you guys doing? - [laughs] 139 00:04:29,503 --> 00:04:30,938 - We're good. [laughs] - You guys, come on in. 140 00:04:31,004 --> 00:04:32,873 - Oh, my God, you're so pretty. - Your eyes are so nice. 141 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:35,142 - Thank you. - So this is my friend's house. 142 00:04:35,209 --> 00:04:36,376 - This place is cute. 143 00:04:36,443 --> 00:04:37,578 - He's out right now though. 144 00:04:37,644 --> 00:04:38,779 He's gonna be gone for a while. 145 00:04:38,846 --> 00:04:40,514 - Got the place to yourself, nice. 146 00:04:40,581 --> 00:04:41,915 - Huh! - Okay. 147 00:04:41,982 --> 00:04:44,818 So Keontae, take us back to the beginning with Tyler. 148 00:04:44,885 --> 00:04:47,254 - So this man DMs me. 149 00:04:47,321 --> 00:04:48,589 He doesn't follow me. He pops up 150 00:04:48,655 --> 00:04:49,923 in my messages requests. 151 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:52,993 He said some wild, crazy things 152 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:54,995 that kind of stood out, plus he was cute. 153 00:04:55,062 --> 00:04:56,697 I don't know if I should, like, say what he said. 154 00:04:56,763 --> 00:04:57,731 - Should absolutely-- - You should absolutely 155 00:04:57,798 --> 00:04:59,666 1000% say what he said. 156 00:04:59,733 --> 00:05:03,103 - "I wanna sniff, smell, and eat your [bleep]." 157 00:05:03,170 --> 00:05:04,271 [upbeat music] 158 00:05:04,338 --> 00:05:06,406 - Hmm. Sniff and smell, same thing. 159 00:05:06,473 --> 00:05:08,242 - [laughs] No. 160 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:09,409 'Cause you can sniff it-- 161 00:05:09,476 --> 00:05:10,611 - I guess a sniff is small. 162 00:05:10,677 --> 00:05:11,912 - A sniff is small. A smell is a... 163 00:05:11,979 --> 00:05:13,280 [inhales deeply] - I mean, if you're smelling, 164 00:05:13,347 --> 00:05:14,548 you're yeah. - [laughs] 165 00:05:14,615 --> 00:05:15,983 - It's two different things for sure. 166 00:05:16,049 --> 00:05:17,484 I thought it was funny, like, 167 00:05:17,551 --> 00:05:18,619 so I'm, like, let me just respond. 168 00:05:18,685 --> 00:05:20,487 - And at the time, you're in Toledo? 169 00:05:20,554 --> 00:05:21,622 - At that time I was in Toledo. 170 00:05:21,688 --> 00:05:22,623 - And where was he? 171 00:05:22,689 --> 00:05:23,824 - He was in Cleveland. 172 00:05:23,891 --> 00:05:25,993 - Oh. - Oh, so he was in Ohio too? 173 00:05:26,059 --> 00:05:28,161 - Yes. - How far away are they? 174 00:05:28,228 --> 00:05:29,830 - I'd say like two hours, two and ha half, three. 175 00:05:29,897 --> 00:05:31,765 - Okay, so not that far. - Not far at all. 176 00:05:31,832 --> 00:05:34,067 So then how long were you guys talking 177 00:05:34,134 --> 00:05:35,469 before you moved to Snapchat? 178 00:05:35,536 --> 00:05:37,437 - He didn't want to talk much on, like, Instagram, 179 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:39,706 so he, like, immediately, like, after a week or so, like, 180 00:05:39,773 --> 00:05:41,008 sent me the Snapchat. 181 00:05:41,074 --> 00:05:42,976 - And so once you moved to Snapchat-- 182 00:05:43,043 --> 00:05:44,678 - Mm-hmm. - Did he send you pictures? 183 00:05:44,745 --> 00:05:46,313 - No, like, like, live Snaps, no. 184 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:48,182 It was just-- it's always just messages, 185 00:05:48,248 --> 00:05:50,617 but we did converse over the phone, like audio call. 186 00:05:50,684 --> 00:05:52,319 You can talk over the phone on Snapchat now. 187 00:05:52,386 --> 00:05:54,421 So, like, that kind of made up for, like, 188 00:05:54,488 --> 00:05:55,622 not sending me live snaps, 189 00:05:55,689 --> 00:05:57,224 and I never really asked him to, like, 190 00:05:57,291 --> 00:05:58,825 'cause, like, I don't wanna force you into anything 191 00:05:58,892 --> 00:06:00,294 that you don't wanna do. 192 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,663 - When you guys started talking on the Snap audio calls, 193 00:06:02,729 --> 00:06:03,964 what were those conversations like? 194 00:06:04,031 --> 00:06:06,700 - We ended up talking more exclusive 195 00:06:06,767 --> 00:06:09,203 and getting to know each other about other things, 196 00:06:09,269 --> 00:06:10,804 you know, other than, like, the sexual things. 197 00:06:10,871 --> 00:06:11,772 - Sure. - He's sharing 198 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:12,873 literally everything. 199 00:06:12,940 --> 00:06:14,575 I know so much about this man. 200 00:06:14,641 --> 00:06:17,077 I know that he models, he dances, 201 00:06:17,144 --> 00:06:18,745 he wants to be an entertainer. 202 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:20,814 Uh, he moved from Ohio 203 00:06:20,881 --> 00:06:22,950 to go live his dream in New York, 204 00:06:23,016 --> 00:06:24,518 which is all of the things that I wanna do. 205 00:06:24,585 --> 00:06:25,986 Like, we have so much in common. 206 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:28,121 He's a family-oriented type of guy. 207 00:06:28,188 --> 00:06:31,225 Like, he's really loving and caring and intelligent. 208 00:06:31,291 --> 00:06:33,393 And we have, like, similar lives. 209 00:06:33,460 --> 00:06:34,862 Like, he grew up a certain way. 210 00:06:34,928 --> 00:06:36,830 I grew up a certain way, and it was not easy 211 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:38,332 for either one of us, you know, so-- 212 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:39,800 - What do you mean? - I've been on my own 213 00:06:39,867 --> 00:06:41,068 since I was, like, 14 years old, like, 214 00:06:41,134 --> 00:06:43,303 literally fighting my way for an education. 215 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:45,772 Like, I was in foster care, got aged out of that system. 216 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,474 You know, even though I was on my own at 14, 217 00:06:47,541 --> 00:06:50,577 I was still, like, considered under the custody of the state. 218 00:06:50,644 --> 00:06:51,812 - Mm. - You know, 219 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:53,380 while being on my own. 220 00:06:53,447 --> 00:06:55,015 And so, like, with him, like, 221 00:06:55,082 --> 00:06:57,384 we kind of have just a similar life when it comes to that. 222 00:06:57,451 --> 00:06:59,119 Like, he knows, like, the struggle 223 00:06:59,186 --> 00:07:00,721 of being on your own, and trying to make a living 224 00:07:00,787 --> 00:07:02,656 for yourself, and having a dream, 225 00:07:02,723 --> 00:07:04,124 and going for your dream. 226 00:07:04,191 --> 00:07:05,959 And so I feel like I know this man's heart, 227 00:07:06,026 --> 00:07:08,128 and I feel like he knows mine. 228 00:07:08,195 --> 00:07:09,296 - But when you started talking-- 229 00:07:09,363 --> 00:07:10,497 - Mm-hmm. - He was 230 00:07:10,564 --> 00:07:12,065 in another relationship? - Yes. 231 00:07:12,132 --> 00:07:14,001 - Can you explain kind of what went on with that? 232 00:07:14,067 --> 00:07:15,802 - All I know is there was this girl 233 00:07:15,869 --> 00:07:17,871 and he wants to keep it a secret from her. 234 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,740 I don't ask much about her 'cause I don't care. 235 00:07:19,806 --> 00:07:21,008 I don't care-- - But he's not 236 00:07:21,074 --> 00:07:22,576 still dating her, is he? - Nope. 237 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:23,810 That's what he claims. 238 00:07:23,877 --> 00:07:25,946 - When did he say that ended? 239 00:07:26,013 --> 00:07:27,548 - I literally have no idea. 240 00:07:27,614 --> 00:07:29,082 I don't ask about that girl. 241 00:07:29,149 --> 00:07:31,318 - What if they were, like, living together or something? 242 00:07:31,385 --> 00:07:32,886 - Or what if they live together now? 243 00:07:32,953 --> 00:07:34,621 - Right, and that could explain why he won't-- 244 00:07:34,688 --> 00:07:36,790 - Why he doesn't wanna see me. - He won't FaceTime or yeah. 245 00:07:36,857 --> 00:07:38,959 - I don't believe that though because we talk over the phone. 246 00:07:39,026 --> 00:07:40,027 - That's true. - Right. 247 00:07:40,093 --> 00:07:41,395 - You know, like, we talk for hours 248 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:42,462 over the phone. - Right. 249 00:07:42,529 --> 00:07:43,897 - So you still live in Ohio? 250 00:07:43,964 --> 00:07:44,965 - Mm-hmm. - He was living in Ohio 251 00:07:45,032 --> 00:07:46,166 in Cleveland when you met. 252 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:47,734 When did he move? - He literally moved, 253 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:49,102 like, two months ago to New York. 254 00:07:49,169 --> 00:07:50,370 - So you were both in Ohio for a while? 255 00:07:50,437 --> 00:07:51,505 - We were both in Ohio 256 00:07:51,572 --> 00:07:52,973 for this whole time technically. 257 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,075 - Right, which makes it even more confusing. 258 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:56,577 - Yeah. - Why he couldn't link up. 259 00:07:56,643 --> 00:07:58,445 - Yeah, but I'm not forcing anyone to do nothing 260 00:07:58,512 --> 00:08:01,014 that they genuinely just not ready for, like. 261 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:02,516 Being gay, you know, like, 262 00:08:02,583 --> 00:08:04,718 it's not easy, like, it is not an easy life. 263 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:07,621 You have to literally mentally, physically, and emotionally 264 00:08:07,688 --> 00:08:09,056 be ready for that. - Right. 265 00:08:09,122 --> 00:08:10,424 - But he's ready to come out. 266 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:11,925 - Well-- - He tells me that he's ready. 267 00:08:11,992 --> 00:08:13,393 - He tells you that he's ready. - Right. 268 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:15,829 - Does meeting up also go sort of hand-in-hand 269 00:08:15,896 --> 00:08:17,064 with him coming out? 270 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:19,833 - 1000%, so when we do finally link up, 271 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:21,301 the plan is, you know, 272 00:08:21,368 --> 00:08:24,104 he is gonna be open, you know, like, he's gonna come out 273 00:08:24,171 --> 00:08:26,240 to his mom, and dad, and the friends and family, 274 00:08:26,306 --> 00:08:28,141 like, as a relationship with me. 275 00:08:28,208 --> 00:08:29,009 - Oh. 276 00:08:29,076 --> 00:08:30,244 - That's what he wants. 277 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:32,513 - Wow. I mean, that's a big deal. 278 00:08:32,579 --> 00:08:34,147 - Yeah. - [sighs] 279 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:36,083 - Well, I wanna see Tyler though. 280 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:38,185 - I know. - What's he look like? 281 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:40,687 - So this is Tyler. 282 00:08:40,754 --> 00:08:42,122 Just swipe. 283 00:08:42,189 --> 00:08:43,524 - Ooh. 284 00:08:43,590 --> 00:08:45,192 - Wow. - Yeah. 285 00:08:45,259 --> 00:08:46,960 - He's cute. - He's fine. 286 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:49,162 - He fine. - Certified hottie. 287 00:08:49,229 --> 00:08:50,163 - Ooh. 288 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:51,565 - Yeah. - That's my man. 289 00:08:51,632 --> 00:08:53,967 - He is cute. - [laughs] 290 00:08:54,034 --> 00:08:55,702 - Wait, what is that behind him? 291 00:08:55,769 --> 00:08:56,970 There's a red flag behind him. 292 00:08:57,037 --> 00:08:58,205 - There's literally a red flag-- 293 00:08:58,272 --> 00:09:00,140 - [laughs] - Literally a giant red flag 294 00:09:00,207 --> 00:09:01,708 in the photo of your boyfriend. 295 00:09:01,775 --> 00:09:02,809 - It's jumping out his back. 296 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:03,977 It's literally attached to him. 297 00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:04,978 [laughing] Don't ignore the signs. 298 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:07,247 Don't ignore the signs. 299 00:09:07,314 --> 00:09:09,116 So what if Tyler isn't Tyler? 300 00:09:09,183 --> 00:09:10,484 What if Tyler's name is Tyler, 301 00:09:10,551 --> 00:09:13,720 but the pictures are not what you know to be Tyler? 302 00:09:13,787 --> 00:09:15,189 - I don't know what I would feel. 303 00:09:15,255 --> 00:09:17,191 'Cause I don't even get those, like, thoughts. 304 00:09:17,257 --> 00:09:18,825 Only thing that's, like, really throwing me off 305 00:09:18,892 --> 00:09:21,094 is the fact that, like, we've already made plans in New York. 306 00:09:21,161 --> 00:09:22,696 - Mm-hmm. - And I get a weird ass text 307 00:09:22,763 --> 00:09:25,432 saying, "Oh, I can't. I'm going out of town." 308 00:09:25,499 --> 00:09:27,501 So I'm definitely at a breaking point. 309 00:09:27,568 --> 00:09:30,504 I wanna figure this out now before I even get to New York. 310 00:09:30,571 --> 00:09:32,739 - Have you googled him? - Yeah. Nothing. 311 00:09:32,806 --> 00:09:34,041 - Hmm. - Nothing comes up? 312 00:09:34,107 --> 00:09:35,876 - Nothing. - But I mean, if he's a model 313 00:09:35,943 --> 00:09:37,311 and he's working, and those photos 314 00:09:37,377 --> 00:09:38,979 certainly suggest that he is, 315 00:09:39,046 --> 00:09:41,548 like, there should be some evidence of him 316 00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:42,983 on the internet somewhere. 317 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:44,585 - I've searched it, and I don't see a Tyler Brown. 318 00:09:44,651 --> 00:09:47,054 - So you have what you believe is his real name? 319 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,022 - Yes, but, like, if you go to his Snapchat, 320 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:51,024 it's literally, like, "Ray Wilson." 321 00:09:51,091 --> 00:09:52,159 It's like he wants to keep it a secret. 322 00:09:52,226 --> 00:09:53,594 Like, it's literally a disguise. 323 00:09:53,660 --> 00:09:56,396 - He was going by Ray Wilson as his, like, DL name? 324 00:09:56,463 --> 00:09:57,831 - On Snapchat. - On Snapchat. 325 00:09:57,898 --> 00:09:59,633 - Yes. - [sighs] 326 00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:01,935 I mean, it feels like you know a lot about him 327 00:10:02,002 --> 00:10:03,403 and nothing about him at all. 328 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:05,939 - Yeah, like, what's going on in your everyday life? 329 00:10:06,006 --> 00:10:07,407 - Mm-hmm. - But there's definitely 330 00:10:07,474 --> 00:10:08,342 a connection there. 331 00:10:08,408 --> 00:10:09,610 There's definitely something 332 00:10:09,676 --> 00:10:10,844 deep and exclusive that has mad potential 333 00:10:10,911 --> 00:10:12,045 to be something serious. 334 00:10:12,112 --> 00:10:14,615 But, like, it's either in these two days 335 00:10:14,681 --> 00:10:18,585 I see you or, like, your chance with me is, like, gone. 336 00:10:18,652 --> 00:10:19,586 - Yeah. - Right. 337 00:10:19,653 --> 00:10:22,155 - We gotta find Tyler. 338 00:10:22,222 --> 00:10:23,257 - All right. - [groans] 339 00:10:23,323 --> 00:10:24,358 - We'll see what we can find. 340 00:10:24,424 --> 00:10:26,326 - Have a nice rest of your day. 341 00:10:26,393 --> 00:10:27,961 - Thank you. - Nice meeting you two. 342 00:10:28,028 --> 00:10:31,131 [tense music] 343 00:10:31,198 --> 00:10:33,634 - I mean, that's as hot as a guy can be. 344 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:36,470 - Yeah, and then also I'm wondering how much 345 00:10:36,537 --> 00:10:40,174 Keontae's story he shared first before Tyler shared his story. 346 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,442 - Oh, that's true. - Like, is he just repurposing 347 00:10:42,509 --> 00:10:45,212 Keontae's story to make their bond stronger 348 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:47,014 and make it seem like they have more in common? 349 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,316 But really it's all a lie. - Right. 350 00:10:49,383 --> 00:10:50,851 - I'm already feeling like whatever we find out 351 00:10:50,918 --> 00:10:54,354 about Tyler is going to be a huge disappointment 352 00:10:54,421 --> 00:10:55,522 to Keontae. 353 00:11:02,095 --> 00:11:03,397 [percussive music] 354 00:11:03,463 --> 00:11:06,033 - All right, let's do a recap. We got Keontae. 355 00:11:06,099 --> 00:11:08,502 He gets a message from this hot guy, Tyler, 356 00:11:08,569 --> 00:11:09,670 that's very sexual. 357 00:11:09,736 --> 00:11:10,704 And just for the fun of it, 358 00:11:10,771 --> 00:11:12,172 is, like, sure, I'll engage. 359 00:11:12,239 --> 00:11:14,708 After a couple weeks, they switch to Snapchat. 360 00:11:14,775 --> 00:11:16,176 They start messaging, 361 00:11:16,243 --> 00:11:18,212 eventually start talking on the phone, 362 00:11:18,278 --> 00:11:20,247 and very quickly develop feelings. 363 00:11:20,314 --> 00:11:22,716 - Yeah. - Except that Tyler, 364 00:11:22,783 --> 00:11:23,984 at the time that they met, 365 00:11:24,051 --> 00:11:25,853 was still in a relationship with a girl. 366 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:27,955 He's bisexual, but he hasn't come out yet. 367 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:30,624 Now Tyler lives in New York. He's recently moved. 368 00:11:30,691 --> 00:11:32,125 Keontae's going to New York, 369 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:33,927 and says, "Let's meet up! This'll be great." 370 00:11:33,994 --> 00:11:36,597 Tyler says, "Ugh, I--that--I can't this weekend. 371 00:11:36,663 --> 00:11:37,965 I'm gonna be busy," and Keontae's like, 372 00:11:38,031 --> 00:11:39,867 "Okay, something's not adding up. 373 00:11:39,933 --> 00:11:42,569 He's not telling me something." 374 00:11:42,636 --> 00:11:44,671 All right, we got an email here from Keontae. 375 00:11:44,738 --> 00:11:46,507 "Hey, Nev and Kamie, thanks again for helping me. 376 00:11:46,573 --> 00:11:48,175 "Tyler's last name is Brown. 377 00:11:48,242 --> 00:11:49,910 "He's 24 and works as a model. 378 00:11:49,977 --> 00:11:51,545 "He lives in Manhattan, but only moved there 379 00:11:51,612 --> 00:11:53,247 "two months ago from Cleveland. 380 00:11:53,313 --> 00:11:56,016 His name on Snap is Ray Wilson." 381 00:11:56,083 --> 00:11:57,384 - Suspicious. 382 00:11:57,451 --> 00:11:58,619 - "The pics he sent me are here. 383 00:11:58,685 --> 00:12:00,053 "Let me know if you need anything else. 384 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,756 Thank you. Keontae." 385 00:12:02,823 --> 00:12:03,991 - All right. - All right, well, 386 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:05,626 I think we gotta run these pictures. 387 00:12:05,692 --> 00:12:08,362 Keontae searched his name, but not the photos. 388 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:09,530 - Right. 389 00:12:09,596 --> 00:12:10,998 - First pic. 390 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:14,168 [tense music] 391 00:12:14,234 --> 00:12:16,303 - Oh! - Oh, yeah. 392 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:17,938 I mean. - [laughs] 393 00:12:18,005 --> 00:12:20,841 - Immediately. - Too easy. 394 00:12:20,908 --> 00:12:23,110 - Immediately no. - Found the guy. 395 00:12:23,177 --> 00:12:24,745 I mean, he's all over the internet. 396 00:12:24,811 --> 00:12:27,814 - King Klei. - Model King Klei. 397 00:12:27,881 --> 00:12:30,651 And here's his modeling page. - Boom bow. 398 00:12:30,717 --> 00:12:31,752 - Boom. - Okay. 399 00:12:31,818 --> 00:12:33,220 We should quickly message him. 400 00:12:33,287 --> 00:12:35,522 Hopefully we can get him to just confirm for us 401 00:12:35,589 --> 00:12:36,924 what I think we already know, 402 00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:40,627 which is that this guy is not talking to Keontae. 403 00:12:40,694 --> 00:12:44,565 "'Catfish' could use your help. 404 00:12:44,631 --> 00:12:47,634 Please give me a call ASAP." 405 00:12:47,701 --> 00:12:49,369 Send. Okay. 406 00:12:49,436 --> 00:12:50,437 - Well. 407 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:51,772 - All we know for sure 408 00:12:51,839 --> 00:12:54,074 is that the guy in the pictures is someone else. 409 00:12:54,141 --> 00:12:55,943 We don't know anything actually about Tyler. 410 00:12:56,009 --> 00:12:58,612 - Keontae googled Tyler Brown, but didn't find anything. 411 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,014 But why does he call himself Ray Wilson? 412 00:13:01,081 --> 00:13:02,216 Is that his name? 413 00:13:02,282 --> 00:13:03,584 Could his name be Ray Wilson? 414 00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:06,053 Should we look up a Ray Wilson from Cleveland? 415 00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:07,354 That's where he said he lived, right? 416 00:13:07,421 --> 00:13:08,789 It's a pretty common name. 417 00:13:08,856 --> 00:13:11,124 On this site, we can narrow down the search. 418 00:13:11,191 --> 00:13:12,392 both: Ray. 419 00:13:12,459 --> 00:13:13,493 - Wilson. 420 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,363 24 years old in Cleveland. 421 00:13:16,430 --> 00:13:17,331 [dramatic musical sting] 422 00:13:17,397 --> 00:13:18,498 We got a hit. 423 00:13:18,565 --> 00:13:20,000 - Mm-hmm-hmm. 424 00:13:20,067 --> 00:13:22,469 - Let's see what we got here. 425 00:13:22,536 --> 00:13:25,439 Mm-hmm. Wait a minute. 426 00:13:25,506 --> 00:13:27,107 - The email is Ty? 427 00:13:27,174 --> 00:13:29,142 Ty. Like Tyler? 428 00:13:29,209 --> 00:13:30,143 - Oh, my gosh. 429 00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:31,712 Yes, you're right. 430 00:13:31,778 --> 00:13:33,647 Huh. - Coincidence? A coincidence? 431 00:13:33,714 --> 00:13:35,382 - Maybe not. - Coincidence? 432 00:13:35,449 --> 00:13:37,084 - Let's see. He's got Venmo. 433 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:38,385 Let's look him up. 434 00:13:38,452 --> 00:13:41,121 Hmm. 435 00:13:41,188 --> 00:13:43,690 - Now if it comes back to a Tyler Brown, it's a wrap. 436 00:13:43,757 --> 00:13:47,928 - Ray Wilson. 437 00:13:47,995 --> 00:13:50,898 Ooh. - Tyler Brown! 438 00:13:50,964 --> 00:13:52,766 - Definitely not a coincidence. 439 00:13:52,833 --> 00:13:54,635 - Look at these people. [gasps] 440 00:13:54,701 --> 00:13:55,769 Look at all these people. "Love you, bestie." 441 00:13:55,836 --> 00:13:57,471 - It's actually just two people. 442 00:13:57,538 --> 00:13:58,772 - Mye Huston. 443 00:13:58,839 --> 00:14:00,440 She's got a lot of transactions. 444 00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:02,676 Search for Mye Huston. 445 00:14:02,743 --> 00:14:05,846 - Mye Huston. 446 00:14:05,913 --> 00:14:08,015 Oh, here's a Facebook. 447 00:14:08,081 --> 00:14:09,650 ♪♪ ♪♪ 448 00:14:09,716 --> 00:14:10,817 - Mm. - Hmm. 449 00:14:10,884 --> 00:14:13,120 - In Columbus, Ohio. - Mye. 450 00:14:13,187 --> 00:14:15,756 Oh, boy. Should we message Mye? 451 00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:16,890 - Definitely have to message Mye. 452 00:14:16,957 --> 00:14:18,058 Mye knows something. 453 00:14:18,125 --> 00:14:21,895 - "Hello, this is Nev from 'Catfish'." 454 00:14:21,962 --> 00:14:24,164 All right. - That's not suspicious 455 00:14:24,231 --> 00:14:26,867 that there's a Ray Wilson linked to a Tyler Brown. 456 00:14:26,934 --> 00:14:28,168 - There's definitely something there. 457 00:14:28,235 --> 00:14:29,703 [cell phone ringing] Oh, I'm getting a call. 458 00:14:29,770 --> 00:14:31,305 - From who? - I don't know. Hello? 459 00:14:33,407 --> 00:14:35,375 - Yes, is this Mye? 460 00:14:36,109 --> 00:14:37,644 - Hey, Mye, it's Nev. - Well, that was fast. 461 00:14:37,711 --> 00:14:39,546 - Uh, and Kamie. - Hey. 462 00:14:39,613 --> 00:14:41,048 - From "Catfish." 463 00:14:41,114 --> 00:14:43,317 We're a bit lost to be honest, 464 00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:47,321 but we sort of ended up on the profile for someone 465 00:14:47,387 --> 00:14:48,822 who you seem to be friends with 466 00:14:48,889 --> 00:14:51,892 whose Venmo name is Tyler Brown, 467 00:14:51,959 --> 00:14:56,230 but weirdly, his Venmo handle is Ray Wilson. 468 00:15:01,602 --> 00:15:02,970 - Gio? 469 00:15:03,570 --> 00:15:07,107 - Oh, okay, and why does he go by these other names-- 470 00:15:07,174 --> 00:15:09,176 Tyler Brown and Ray Wilson-- online? 471 00:15:19,786 --> 00:15:21,088 - Sure, sure, sure. 472 00:15:21,154 --> 00:15:22,956 But does he have an Instagram that you follow? 473 00:15:25,025 --> 00:15:27,394 - But-- - I won't be able to-- 474 00:15:27,461 --> 00:15:29,496 - But if he's a model, wouldn't he have, like, 475 00:15:29,563 --> 00:15:32,132 a, like, an Instagram for his modeling or something 476 00:15:32,199 --> 00:15:33,934 where we could just find him? 477 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,809 - Okay, do you know if Gio's in a relationship? 478 00:15:42,876 --> 00:15:46,113 ♪♪ ♪♪ 479 00:15:49,149 --> 00:15:52,452 - Okay, does Gio generally date women or men? 480 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:55,656 ♪♪ ♪♪ 481 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:58,425 - He's bi. Okay. 482 00:15:58,492 --> 00:16:00,027 And is he out? 483 00:16:00,093 --> 00:16:02,496 - He's out, okay. Interesting. 484 00:16:02,563 --> 00:16:03,730 Are you comfortable just letting him know 485 00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:05,065 that we'd love to just chat with him? 486 00:16:06,834 --> 00:16:08,235 - All right, let us know either way. 487 00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:11,138 - Thank you. - Thanks, Mye. 488 00:16:11,205 --> 00:16:13,874 - All right. [line beeps] 489 00:16:13,941 --> 00:16:15,776 - I'ma tell you exactly what was going on there 490 00:16:15,843 --> 00:16:16,743 'cause I could hear her fumbling about. 491 00:16:16,810 --> 00:16:17,811 - Uh-huh. 492 00:16:17,878 --> 00:16:19,279 - She was texting him. 493 00:16:19,346 --> 00:16:22,182 She was texting him being like, "What do I say?" 494 00:16:22,249 --> 00:16:23,951 Dada, dada... - He's bi. 495 00:16:24,017 --> 00:16:25,018 He lives in New York. 496 00:16:25,085 --> 00:16:26,286 - He's out. - He's out. 497 00:16:26,353 --> 00:16:28,222 She said he's single. - Yeah. 498 00:16:28,288 --> 00:16:31,792 - And also he has a private business modeling account 499 00:16:31,859 --> 00:16:33,026 I don't wanna give out, like, come on. 500 00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:34,027 - There's not a model in the world 501 00:16:34,094 --> 00:16:35,095 that doesn't want their account 502 00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:36,463 to be seen by-- - Everybody. 503 00:16:36,530 --> 00:16:38,031 - Exactly. - Oh, man. 504 00:16:38,098 --> 00:16:39,733 - I have a feeling Keontae is going to hear something 505 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,070 very, very soon from Tyler, Gio, 506 00:16:43,136 --> 00:16:45,973 Ray Wilson, whatever name he is this week 507 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:47,975 'cause we are on to him. 508 00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:56,917 - The most clear information we have 509 00:16:56,984 --> 00:17:01,221 is that Tyler Brown may really be someone named Ray Wilson, 510 00:17:01,288 --> 00:17:03,357 but according to his Venmo friend, 511 00:17:03,423 --> 00:17:06,193 his name is Gio. - Mm-hmm. 512 00:17:06,260 --> 00:17:09,563 - Is bi, has a connection to Ohio. 513 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:10,664 - And lives in New York now. 514 00:17:10,731 --> 00:17:13,767 - Right. - And is a "model." 515 00:17:13,834 --> 00:17:16,103 Something's up. [cell phone ringing] 516 00:17:16,170 --> 00:17:18,005 Hello? 517 00:17:18,071 --> 00:17:19,473 - Hi. 518 00:17:23,844 --> 00:17:26,146 - Oh. Is this Gio? 519 00:17:26,213 --> 00:17:28,015 - Hi. How are you? 520 00:17:28,582 --> 00:17:30,450 - Good. - Basically we reached out 521 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:31,852 to your friend Mye. 522 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:33,353 We're trying to help this person 523 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:35,022 who's been talking to someone on the internet. 524 00:17:35,088 --> 00:17:38,091 They think they're talking to someone named Tyler Brown, 525 00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:42,496 but weirdly, his Snapchat is the username Ray Wilson, 526 00:17:42,563 --> 00:17:45,766 and so we found your Ray Wilson Venmo, 527 00:17:45,832 --> 00:17:49,303 and just were curious to see if there was any connection. 528 00:17:49,369 --> 00:17:52,706 - Have you been talking to a guy on the internet 529 00:17:52,773 --> 00:17:54,474 who is from Ohio? 530 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:58,245 - Okay, um... 531 00:17:58,312 --> 00:17:59,279 and you said you're from New York? 532 00:17:59,346 --> 00:18:00,981 You're not from Ohio? 533 00:18:03,851 --> 00:18:06,086 - Okay. 534 00:18:06,153 --> 00:18:07,788 - Have you ever lived in Ohio? 535 00:18:11,258 --> 00:18:12,693 - What do you do in New York? 536 00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:20,100 - Well, there's always a chance that there are coincidences 537 00:18:20,167 --> 00:18:24,671 and Ray Wilson is not that uncommon of a name, 538 00:18:24,738 --> 00:18:28,709 but we obviously are, you know, trying to figure out 539 00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:30,344 who this guy Keontae's talking to, 540 00:18:30,410 --> 00:18:33,380 and you have a lot in common with the guy he's talking to, 541 00:18:33,447 --> 00:18:35,249 who says his name is Tyler. 542 00:18:35,315 --> 00:18:37,551 He's bisexual, lives in New York, 543 00:18:37,618 --> 00:18:38,886 he's interested in dancing, 544 00:18:38,952 --> 00:18:41,054 so that's why, you know, you can understand-- 545 00:18:47,394 --> 00:18:50,697 - All right, well, thank you so much for giving us a call. 546 00:18:51,331 --> 00:18:52,466 - Bye. [line beeps] 547 00:18:52,533 --> 00:18:56,103 - You recorded the voice? Smart. 548 00:18:56,170 --> 00:18:58,372 - Something's definitely up. 549 00:18:58,438 --> 00:18:59,907 Well, all right. 550 00:18:59,973 --> 00:19:02,342 [tense music] 551 00:19:02,409 --> 00:19:04,845 [knocks] 552 00:19:04,912 --> 00:19:05,913 Hey. - Oh. 553 00:19:05,979 --> 00:19:07,314 - Hey. - Whoa. 554 00:19:07,381 --> 00:19:08,448 - How you doing? - Look at you. 555 00:19:08,515 --> 00:19:09,917 - Cozy up. - Ooh. 556 00:19:09,983 --> 00:19:11,285 - All right. 557 00:19:11,351 --> 00:19:14,454 Oh, what's up? 558 00:19:14,521 --> 00:19:16,890 - Nothing much. Just chilling. 559 00:19:16,957 --> 00:19:18,759 I'm trying keep it P, trying keep it playa, 560 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:21,461 but, like, literally, like, I'm 'bout to bust out in tears. 561 00:19:21,528 --> 00:19:23,130 I'm scared. 562 00:19:23,197 --> 00:19:26,834 - Well, are you ready to sort of take the step 563 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:29,770 towards the truth? - Yes. 564 00:19:29,837 --> 00:19:32,272 - Okay, so mostly what we had 565 00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:33,440 from you were photos. 566 00:19:33,507 --> 00:19:35,108 - Mm-hmm. - Right? 567 00:19:35,175 --> 00:19:38,879 - So we ran the photos, and this is what we found. 568 00:19:38,946 --> 00:19:42,316 He goes by King Klei. - Like, who? 569 00:19:42,382 --> 00:19:44,518 Who's King Klei? - Here he is. 570 00:19:44,585 --> 00:19:46,053 This looks like a real Instagram account. 571 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,022 This guy's tagged in photos. - He's active. 572 00:19:49,089 --> 00:19:51,258 - So clearly, like, this is the account 573 00:19:51,325 --> 00:19:52,593 for this guy. 574 00:19:52,659 --> 00:19:54,828 So we messaged King 575 00:19:54,895 --> 00:19:56,096 to see if he would get in touch with us, 576 00:19:56,163 --> 00:19:57,764 and we have not heard back from him yet, 577 00:19:57,831 --> 00:19:59,633 but I think it's safe to say 578 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:02,903 this is not the guy you're talking to. 579 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:05,906 [somber music] 580 00:20:05,973 --> 00:20:08,542 ♪♪ ♪♪ 581 00:20:08,609 --> 00:20:10,611 - So, like... [sighs] 582 00:20:10,677 --> 00:20:15,482 Then if that's Klei, or whatever his name is, 583 00:20:15,549 --> 00:20:18,685 and Tyler is not obviously Klei, 584 00:20:18,752 --> 00:20:20,454 then who the [bleep] is Tyler? 585 00:20:20,521 --> 00:20:23,757 - Well, we did a search for Ray Wilson, 586 00:20:23,824 --> 00:20:27,995 24, Cleveland, and we also got a hit, 587 00:20:28,061 --> 00:20:31,231 and we noticed-- look at their email. 588 00:20:31,298 --> 00:20:33,567 - Ty. - Like Tyler. 589 00:20:33,634 --> 00:20:37,037 - That email connected to Ray is weirdly also connected 590 00:20:37,104 --> 00:20:38,805 to someone named Ty. 591 00:20:38,872 --> 00:20:41,642 So this obviously raised more questions than it answered, 592 00:20:41,708 --> 00:20:44,878 but the search also led us to a Venmo account, 593 00:20:44,945 --> 00:20:47,981 so we went to it, and this came up. 594 00:20:48,048 --> 00:20:50,651 Tyler Brown. 595 00:20:50,717 --> 00:20:52,519 So when we scrolled, 596 00:20:52,586 --> 00:20:53,921 there's only transactions that are public 597 00:20:53,987 --> 00:20:54,955 from two people. 598 00:20:55,022 --> 00:20:56,557 One of them is from Mye. 599 00:20:56,623 --> 00:20:58,926 "Love you, bestie" suggests that Mye is a friend. 600 00:20:58,992 --> 00:21:00,561 - Mm-hmm. - Right, so we messaged her, 601 00:21:00,627 --> 00:21:03,664 and she got back to us, 602 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:05,732 and we had a phone call with her. 603 00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:08,035 I was like, "Oh, we're just calling because we saw 604 00:21:08,101 --> 00:21:11,538 you're friends with someone named Ray Wilson/Tyler Brown 605 00:21:11,605 --> 00:21:13,273 on Venmo, and she said, "Oh, yeah. 606 00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:14,641 I know who that is. That's"-- 607 00:21:14,708 --> 00:21:15,742 - "My friend Gio." 608 00:21:15,809 --> 00:21:17,611 - "That's my friend Gio 609 00:21:17,678 --> 00:21:19,012 that lives in New York." 610 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:20,914 And he's out and not in the closet. 611 00:21:20,981 --> 00:21:23,717 And also, he does use other names. 612 00:21:23,784 --> 00:21:26,587 So we're pretty sure this has gotta be him. 613 00:21:26,653 --> 00:21:29,756 - But then when we were like "Does Gio have Instagram 614 00:21:29,823 --> 00:21:31,592 or something like that?" She was like, "Oh, no." 615 00:21:31,658 --> 00:21:33,560 - She's like, "Oh, well, he has a model one, 616 00:21:33,627 --> 00:21:34,761 "but, like, it's for business, 617 00:21:34,828 --> 00:21:36,163 so I don't think I should give that out," 618 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:37,497 and I was like, "Wouldn't you--but it's"-- 619 00:21:37,564 --> 00:21:38,732 - Wouldn't he want that to be given out? 620 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:40,567 - It got really muddy. 621 00:21:40,634 --> 00:21:41,935 - Mm-hmm. - And then she had to go. 622 00:21:42,002 --> 00:21:43,203 - Right, and then she had to go. 623 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:44,238 - Mm. - Of course. 624 00:21:44,304 --> 00:21:46,673 - But she said I'll tell Gio 625 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:49,076 you're looking to speak to him and give him your info. 626 00:21:49,142 --> 00:21:50,143 - Okay. 627 00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:52,846 - So then on the way over here, 628 00:21:52,913 --> 00:21:56,216 we get a phone call from "Gio." 629 00:21:56,283 --> 00:21:57,584 [suspenseful music] 630 00:21:57,651 --> 00:21:59,987 And I recorded it on my phone. 631 00:22:00,053 --> 00:22:01,555 - Mm-hmm. - 'Cause I want you to listen 632 00:22:01,622 --> 00:22:04,258 to his voice and tell me if it sounds like Tyler. 633 00:22:04,324 --> 00:22:08,595 ♪♪ ♪♪ 634 00:22:08,662 --> 00:22:11,532 - Yeah. I'm from New York. 635 00:22:11,598 --> 00:22:13,934 - Okay. 636 00:22:14,001 --> 00:22:17,337 - Have you ever lived in Ohio? 637 00:22:17,404 --> 00:22:19,840 - Yeah, uh, I've, you know, I've traveled through there. 638 00:22:19,907 --> 00:22:22,376 Got some family there. 639 00:22:22,442 --> 00:22:26,580 - And what are you doing, what do you do in New York? 640 00:22:26,647 --> 00:22:28,949 - Uh, right now, I'm just, like, you know, 641 00:22:29,016 --> 00:22:31,585 doing, like, go-go dancing. 642 00:22:31,652 --> 00:22:33,287 I danced at the Monster, I danced at-- 643 00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:34,288 - You can stop. 644 00:22:34,354 --> 00:22:36,557 ♪♪ ♪♪ 645 00:22:36,623 --> 00:22:38,892 I know exactly who that is. 646 00:22:38,959 --> 00:22:40,661 - Who is it? 647 00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:42,262 ♪♪ ♪♪ 648 00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:49,770 - What do you do in New York? 649 00:22:49,837 --> 00:22:51,872 - Uh, right now, I'm just, like, you know, 650 00:22:51,939 --> 00:22:54,374 doing, like, go-go dancing. 651 00:22:54,441 --> 00:22:56,109 I danced at the Monster, I danced at-- 652 00:22:56,176 --> 00:22:57,110 - You can stop. 653 00:22:57,177 --> 00:22:59,613 [suspenseful music] 654 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,782 I know exactly who that is. 655 00:23:01,849 --> 00:23:03,784 - Who is it? 656 00:23:03,851 --> 00:23:07,054 - That's one of my friends. 657 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,356 A friend that literally was just in my bed 658 00:23:09,423 --> 00:23:11,925 four months ago as friends though. 659 00:23:11,992 --> 00:23:13,594 Gauldan is his name. 660 00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:15,629 - Okay. - And he does live in New York. 661 00:23:15,696 --> 00:23:16,830 - Does he go by Gio? 662 00:23:16,897 --> 00:23:18,699 - He does not go by Gio. 663 00:23:18,765 --> 00:23:21,368 Is he from Ohio though? - He's from Toledo, Ohio. 664 00:23:21,435 --> 00:23:24,838 - And moved to New York. - And moved to New York, yes. 665 00:23:24,905 --> 00:23:26,440 - And you talk to him regularly? 666 00:23:26,507 --> 00:23:28,809 - Mm-hmm, you know, like, we were close. 667 00:23:28,876 --> 00:23:31,011 We were really good friends. - Okay, wait, so hold on. 668 00:23:31,078 --> 00:23:33,080 You recognized his voice immediately? 669 00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:34,915 If you were talking on the phone to Tyler 670 00:23:34,982 --> 00:23:36,450 all this time, and it was Gauldan, 671 00:23:36,517 --> 00:23:38,218 don't you think you'd have noticed? 672 00:23:38,285 --> 00:23:39,753 - He had to have been putting on some act, 673 00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:41,054 some smooth act. 674 00:23:41,121 --> 00:23:42,523 - On the phone. - On the phone. 675 00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:44,791 - Is he someone you'd be interested in? 676 00:23:44,858 --> 00:23:46,193 - No. 677 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:47,628 - Has he ever tried to date you? 678 00:23:47,694 --> 00:23:50,197 - No, he's never, like, said and expressed 679 00:23:50,264 --> 00:23:51,498 to me, like, "Oh, I like you. 680 00:23:51,565 --> 00:23:54,168 I wanna be with you" or anything like that. 681 00:23:54,234 --> 00:23:55,369 - And you don't know Mye? 682 00:23:55,435 --> 00:23:57,271 - I have no idea who that girl is. 683 00:23:57,337 --> 00:23:59,139 - And you don't know the name Gio either? 684 00:23:59,206 --> 00:24:01,074 - No. - So maybe this girl 685 00:24:01,141 --> 00:24:03,243 is just covering for your friend. 686 00:24:03,310 --> 00:24:05,145 - Huh, all right, well, so let's for a second 687 00:24:05,212 --> 00:24:06,680 assume it is Gauldan. 688 00:24:06,747 --> 00:24:09,516 Then what do you wanna do? - I wanna talk to him. 689 00:24:09,583 --> 00:24:11,518 Like, I definitely got some words for him for sure. 690 00:24:11,585 --> 00:24:12,819 - Right. 691 00:24:12,886 --> 00:24:15,155 - Thing is, he's had lots of opportunities 692 00:24:15,222 --> 00:24:17,191 over the last year and a half to come clean. 693 00:24:17,257 --> 00:24:19,393 Physical opportunities in your presence, 694 00:24:19,459 --> 00:24:21,361 so just because we think it's Gauldan, 695 00:24:21,428 --> 00:24:24,131 doesn't mean we understand the full story. 696 00:24:24,198 --> 00:24:26,099 - Okay. - We gotta figure this out. 697 00:24:26,166 --> 00:24:28,869 - My instinct is to text Tyler on Snapchat. 698 00:24:28,936 --> 00:24:30,037 - And say what? 699 00:24:30,103 --> 00:24:32,606 - Listen, enough is enough. 700 00:24:32,673 --> 00:24:33,707 I'm here with "Catfish." 701 00:24:33,774 --> 00:24:35,108 I think I know who you are. 702 00:24:35,175 --> 00:24:37,477 I just want you to know it's okay. 703 00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:39,279 I just wanna meet. - I'll say that. 704 00:24:39,346 --> 00:24:42,049 And see what happens. 705 00:24:42,115 --> 00:24:43,884 - All right, now let's see. - I guess... 706 00:24:43,951 --> 00:24:45,285 whatever. - He writes back. 707 00:24:45,352 --> 00:24:47,454 - He opened it! - Oh! 708 00:24:47,521 --> 00:24:49,156 He's in there, right? Doesn't that mean he's looking? 709 00:24:49,223 --> 00:24:50,724 All right, there he is. - And he's probably 710 00:24:50,791 --> 00:24:52,025 freaking out right now. 711 00:24:52,092 --> 00:24:53,093 - He sent a voice message. 712 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,628 - Oh, open it. 713 00:24:54,695 --> 00:24:56,230 Boo, like, what are you talking about? 714 00:24:56,296 --> 00:24:57,631 You know I wanna meet you. 715 00:24:57,698 --> 00:24:59,099 - Definitely doesn't sound like the guy we talked to 716 00:24:59,166 --> 00:25:01,034 but it could be him doing a voice. 717 00:25:01,101 --> 00:25:02,769 - It could be. - I don't hear it. 718 00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:04,605 - I mean, it's a good disguise if it is. 719 00:25:04,671 --> 00:25:05,739 - It--yeah. 720 00:25:05,806 --> 00:25:07,341 - Well tell him, "How 'bout tomorrow? 721 00:25:07,407 --> 00:25:10,944 Can you come to LA?" 722 00:25:11,011 --> 00:25:12,713 - If he says no, like, then what? 723 00:25:12,779 --> 00:25:15,249 - That's a question for you. - Oh, what'd he say? 724 00:25:15,315 --> 00:25:16,483 He said, "Yes, of course. 725 00:25:16,550 --> 00:25:19,319 I want to finally see you." 726 00:25:19,386 --> 00:25:20,821 Say "Cool, then book a flight, 727 00:25:20,888 --> 00:25:22,322 and let me know when you'll be here." 728 00:25:22,389 --> 00:25:23,991 ♪♪ ♪♪ 729 00:25:24,057 --> 00:25:26,894 - Okay. - Great. 730 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,129 ♪♪ ♪♪ 731 00:25:29,196 --> 00:25:30,898 - "Okay, I'll see you tomorrow." 732 00:25:30,964 --> 00:25:32,466 - Wow. 733 00:25:32,533 --> 00:25:36,436 The key tonight is to be, like, chill. 734 00:25:36,503 --> 00:25:37,638 - I'm not even gonna say anything. 735 00:25:37,704 --> 00:25:40,374 - Don't text Gauldan. Don't text Tyler. 736 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,843 Just, like, leave it alone. 737 00:25:42,910 --> 00:25:44,711 - [sighs] Okay. 738 00:25:44,778 --> 00:25:46,580 - And as soon as we know when he's getting in, 739 00:25:46,647 --> 00:25:48,649 we'll organize meeting up tomorrow morning. 740 00:25:48,715 --> 00:25:51,552 - Okay. 741 00:25:51,618 --> 00:25:53,887 - All right. 742 00:25:53,954 --> 00:25:55,422 - Oh, gosh. 743 00:25:55,489 --> 00:25:57,191 Try not to let your emotions get the best-- 744 00:25:57,257 --> 00:25:58,425 - Don't pop off. - Yeah. 745 00:25:58,492 --> 00:25:59,560 - See you later. - All right. 746 00:25:59,626 --> 00:26:01,028 - Bye-bye. 747 00:26:01,094 --> 00:26:02,296 - Boy, oh, boy. 748 00:26:02,362 --> 00:26:04,231 - That was crazy. - Yeah. 749 00:26:04,298 --> 00:26:08,268 - I mean, he seemed so sure that Gio's voice 750 00:26:08,335 --> 00:26:09,436 is his friend Gauldan. 751 00:26:09,503 --> 00:26:11,839 - Mm-hmm. - But Gauldan's voice 752 00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:14,741 sounded nothing like "Tyler's" voice note. 753 00:26:14,808 --> 00:26:17,044 - At all, for a three-hour-long conversation, 754 00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:18,245 that would have to be a lot of-- 755 00:26:18,312 --> 00:26:19,146 - That's hard. - Training your voice 756 00:26:19,213 --> 00:26:20,247 to, like, keep that up. 757 00:26:20,314 --> 00:26:21,582 - Yeah, it's hard. 758 00:26:21,648 --> 00:26:23,050 - That would be hard. - And to not slip up. 759 00:26:23,116 --> 00:26:24,518 It's a lot of work. - Yeah. 760 00:26:24,585 --> 00:26:27,287 Well, tomorrow's gonna be very interesting. 761 00:26:27,354 --> 00:26:30,390 ♪♪ ♪♪ 762 00:26:30,457 --> 00:26:33,360 [light twinkly music] 763 00:26:33,427 --> 00:26:40,534 ♪♪ ♪♪ 764 00:26:42,669 --> 00:26:44,238 [cell phone ringing] - Oh. 765 00:26:44,304 --> 00:26:45,772 It's Keontae. - Keontae. 766 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:46,940 Hey. 767 00:26:47,774 --> 00:26:48,809 - What? 768 00:26:54,181 --> 00:26:55,415 You sent him the address? 769 00:26:55,482 --> 00:26:56,450 - Yeah. - Okay. 770 00:26:56,517 --> 00:26:57,918 - Well, that's good, I guess. 771 00:26:57,985 --> 00:26:59,219 Did he text you, like, an ETA? 772 00:26:59,286 --> 00:27:00,721 Like a... 773 00:27:02,155 --> 00:27:03,524 - Right, okay. 774 00:27:06,727 --> 00:27:08,962 both: We're close. - We're close. 775 00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:10,163 We'll be there in a second. 776 00:27:10,864 --> 00:27:13,000 - Okay, bye. Pedal to the medal, Nev! 777 00:27:13,066 --> 00:27:15,936 [suspenseful music] 778 00:27:16,003 --> 00:27:17,404 ♪♪ ♪♪ 779 00:27:17,471 --> 00:27:20,474 - Doesn't look like anyone else is here yet. 780 00:27:20,541 --> 00:27:21,909 All right, let's get in there. 781 00:27:21,975 --> 00:27:23,010 We don't have a lot of time. 782 00:27:23,076 --> 00:27:28,115 ♪♪ ♪♪ 783 00:27:28,182 --> 00:27:29,683 - Hey. - How are you feeling? 784 00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:31,385 - My emotions are literally all over the place right now. 785 00:27:31,451 --> 00:27:32,719 - Okay, we gotta strategize. 786 00:27:32,786 --> 00:27:33,887 - All right, so wait a second. 787 00:27:33,954 --> 00:27:35,189 Show us what happened. 788 00:27:35,255 --> 00:27:37,124 - The messages that I got this morning was 789 00:27:37,191 --> 00:27:39,860 "Missed my flight, but I jumped on another one." 790 00:27:39,927 --> 00:27:41,862 And then I just texted him the address 791 00:27:41,929 --> 00:27:43,530 'cause I'm like, I'm just ready to see you at this point. 792 00:27:43,597 --> 00:27:45,098 Just come on. He's like, "Okay. 793 00:27:45,165 --> 00:27:47,100 I got my car. I'm on my way." 794 00:27:47,167 --> 00:27:50,737 - So Gauldan lives in New York. You're sure of that? 795 00:27:50,804 --> 00:27:52,105 - Yeah. - And as far as you know, 796 00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:53,574 he's in New York? - Mm-hmm. 797 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,142 I'm not gonna lie, like, I thought about it 798 00:27:55,209 --> 00:27:56,376 after yesterday, like, 799 00:27:56,443 --> 00:27:57,845 I don't know if it's 100% him. 800 00:27:57,911 --> 00:27:59,446 Like, something in my gut tells me, like, 801 00:27:59,513 --> 00:28:01,281 it could possibly still be anybody else. 802 00:28:01,348 --> 00:28:04,318 Like a voice message over my Snapchat, 803 00:28:04,384 --> 00:28:05,652 that's the guy that I've been talking to. 804 00:28:05,719 --> 00:28:07,354 To me, this does not sound like Gauldan. 805 00:28:07,421 --> 00:28:09,323 I'm just confused at this point. 806 00:28:09,389 --> 00:28:11,158 - Yeah, I mean, it could be anyone. 807 00:28:11,225 --> 00:28:14,561 Wait, did you ask for his ETA? 808 00:28:14,628 --> 00:28:16,029 - [gasps] - "I think I'm here." 809 00:28:16,096 --> 00:28:17,364 All right, 'cause it's a long driveway 810 00:28:17,431 --> 00:28:18,599 so he doesn't know where he--okay. 811 00:28:18,665 --> 00:28:20,000 All right. Let's see. 812 00:28:20,067 --> 00:28:22,936 [dramatic music] 813 00:28:23,003 --> 00:28:26,039 ♪♪ ♪♪ 814 00:28:26,106 --> 00:28:27,975 There is a car out-- is that one of our cars? 815 00:28:28,041 --> 00:28:29,576 No, all right, I don't think that's-- 816 00:28:29,643 --> 00:28:30,644 Let me go check this out. 817 00:28:30,711 --> 00:28:32,012 Let me see. - Okay. 818 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:33,080 You lead the way. 819 00:28:33,146 --> 00:28:39,920 ♪♪ ♪♪ 820 00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:51,498 - Oh. 821 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:59,773 [dramatic music] 822 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,976 ♪♪ ♪♪ 823 00:29:03,043 --> 00:29:05,379 - Oh. Hi. 824 00:29:05,445 --> 00:29:07,548 [car door slams] 825 00:29:07,614 --> 00:29:09,516 Nev. - Nice to meet you, Nev. 826 00:29:09,583 --> 00:29:10,817 - What's your name? 827 00:29:10,884 --> 00:29:12,452 - Gauldan. - Gauldan, okay. 828 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,122 ♪♪ ♪♪ 829 00:29:15,189 --> 00:29:16,657 - You know each other. - How are you guys? 830 00:29:16,723 --> 00:29:17,891 - What are you doing? - Kamie. 831 00:29:17,958 --> 00:29:20,727 - Hi, Gauldan. both: Nice to meet you. 832 00:29:20,794 --> 00:29:23,463 Hey. - Gauldan. 833 00:29:25,899 --> 00:29:28,335 You're who I've been talking to? 834 00:29:28,402 --> 00:29:29,603 - Yeah. 835 00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:31,905 - Well, I'm Tyler. 836 00:29:31,972 --> 00:29:34,608 - Why though? 837 00:29:34,675 --> 00:29:39,079 - I honestly couldn't give you a really good answer for why. 838 00:29:39,146 --> 00:29:42,082 Do you--do you like me? 839 00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:44,251 You wanna be with me? You love me? 840 00:29:44,318 --> 00:29:47,621 Or was it a--was it a joke? Was it a kiki? 841 00:29:47,688 --> 00:29:50,324 - It was a joke. - A joke? 842 00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:52,860 Like, we had a whole fake relationship, bro. 843 00:29:52,926 --> 00:29:55,696 - Not even a joke, honestly. It wasn't necessarily a joke. 844 00:29:55,762 --> 00:29:57,531 The whole Tyler thing literally 845 00:29:57,598 --> 00:30:00,801 was not made to get you or target you 846 00:30:00,868 --> 00:30:03,003 in any way at all, honestly, y'all. 847 00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:05,639 It all started, like, I ended up adding Keontae 848 00:30:05,706 --> 00:30:07,274 on my foo-foo account. 849 00:30:07,341 --> 00:30:08,775 Like, I was on my foo-foo account 850 00:30:08,842 --> 00:30:10,010 because of my ex, 851 00:30:10,077 --> 00:30:12,412 you know, to snoop and peruse incognito, 852 00:30:12,479 --> 00:30:15,816 fly under the radar. It--it wasn't even that deep. 853 00:30:15,883 --> 00:30:17,618 - "Babe" this, "baby" that. 854 00:30:17,684 --> 00:30:19,353 - I call everybody "babe." - "I can't wait to see you." 855 00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:21,288 I'm pouring my heart out to you. 856 00:30:21,355 --> 00:30:23,290 Like, I was there for-- not only were you there for me 857 00:30:23,357 --> 00:30:25,425 emotionally, I was there for you emotionally. 858 00:30:25,492 --> 00:30:26,593 I would let you in. 859 00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:28,228 I'm telling Tyler real [bleep] about-- 860 00:30:28,295 --> 00:30:29,463 I'm telling Tyler real things 861 00:30:29,530 --> 00:30:31,198 about me in real life, bro, right? 862 00:30:31,265 --> 00:30:32,866 - Right. - And you're going along 863 00:30:32,933 --> 00:30:34,434 with that like, "Yeah, I went through this too. 864 00:30:34,501 --> 00:30:37,337 Like, I was verbally abused and I know how you feel," 865 00:30:37,404 --> 00:30:39,273 and it's not a joke. 866 00:30:39,339 --> 00:30:42,276 - How and why did it go this far? 867 00:30:42,342 --> 00:30:44,344 - He was just, you know, constantly messaging me 868 00:30:44,411 --> 00:30:46,146 and things like that, and I knew that he was into it. 869 00:30:46,213 --> 00:30:48,715 - You hit me up! - Honestly, wait, wait. 870 00:30:48,782 --> 00:30:51,151 - You hit me up, bro. - Hey. 871 00:30:51,218 --> 00:30:53,954 - That was you on the phone, right? 872 00:30:54,021 --> 00:30:56,623 - Yeah. - Do you change your voice? 873 00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:57,925 - Yeah. 874 00:30:57,991 --> 00:31:00,027 I know this is, like, [bleep] up. 875 00:31:00,093 --> 00:31:01,428 - Embarrassing. 876 00:31:01,495 --> 00:31:03,964 It's been a year and two months, Gauldan. 877 00:31:04,031 --> 00:31:06,099 - But also, it's not even just the finsta. 878 00:31:06,166 --> 00:31:09,536 You have a Venmo account with a different name. 879 00:31:09,603 --> 00:31:11,371 The Snapchat account has a different name. 880 00:31:11,438 --> 00:31:13,507 - A Snapchat, a Instagram. You just a catfish. 881 00:31:13,574 --> 00:31:14,808 You like doing it. 882 00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:16,510 What about me made you feel like 883 00:31:16,577 --> 00:31:18,712 you had to create a fake page to talk to me? 884 00:31:18,779 --> 00:31:21,181 - Babe, it was not about you. 885 00:31:21,248 --> 00:31:23,050 - So then who was it about? Because it's all-- 886 00:31:23,116 --> 00:31:24,885 it is about me. - It's not. 887 00:31:24,952 --> 00:31:26,186 - What are you doing with a fake account? 888 00:31:26,253 --> 00:31:28,188 You're cute. You not ugly. 889 00:31:28,255 --> 00:31:30,357 What are you doing with a fake account? 890 00:31:30,424 --> 00:31:33,460 - So you, in real life-- let's forget about Tyler. 891 00:31:33,527 --> 00:31:34,661 You, in real life 892 00:31:34,728 --> 00:31:36,396 have never had feelings for Keontae. 893 00:31:36,463 --> 00:31:37,497 - No. 894 00:31:37,564 --> 00:31:39,600 - Bro, you cap. You're lying. 895 00:31:39,666 --> 00:31:41,235 - You guys were on the phone for, like, 896 00:31:41,301 --> 00:31:42,936 three hours at a time. - Hours and hours. 897 00:31:43,003 --> 00:31:44,938 - It doesn't make sense. 898 00:31:45,005 --> 00:31:47,474 There must have been something that you enjoyed 899 00:31:47,541 --> 00:31:49,610 about the relationship you were having with Keontae 900 00:31:49,676 --> 00:31:51,144 that was different than the relationship 901 00:31:51,211 --> 00:31:52,646 you had with him as Gauldan. 902 00:31:52,713 --> 00:31:55,516 - Yeah, like, you know, like, if you play "Sims" 903 00:31:55,582 --> 00:31:58,385 and you have a character who's in love with someone else, 904 00:31:58,452 --> 00:32:02,089 you're not in love with your Sim character's boyfriend. 905 00:32:02,155 --> 00:32:03,557 It's not that [bleep] deep, 906 00:32:03,624 --> 00:32:05,359 but what it is is, like, entertaining. 907 00:32:05,425 --> 00:32:07,160 - So when you talked to him as Tyler, 908 00:32:07,227 --> 00:32:08,862 did it feel like you were talking to him, 909 00:32:08,929 --> 00:32:10,764 or did it feel like you were pretending to talk to him 910 00:32:10,831 --> 00:32:13,567 as someone else? - It felt like virtual reality. 911 00:32:13,634 --> 00:32:16,069 And, like, you were eating that flirting [bleep] up. 912 00:32:16,136 --> 00:32:17,638 Like, it was cool. You were a cool flirter. 913 00:32:17,704 --> 00:32:19,840 - Because he thought it was gonna end up somewhere 914 00:32:19,907 --> 00:32:21,542 with a real person. - Exactly. 915 00:32:21,608 --> 00:32:25,145 You wanted to come out as gay with me as your boyfriend. 916 00:32:25,212 --> 00:32:27,014 That was the whole reason why I'm even here today. 917 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,682 - But you pushed the matter, sweetie. 918 00:32:28,749 --> 00:32:31,051 - You wanted a relationship. - Baby, no. 919 00:32:31,118 --> 00:32:32,252 - You know what you done 920 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:33,654 because you decide to screenshot... 921 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,856 - Right, right. - Some pictures of a guy 922 00:32:35,923 --> 00:32:38,325 that was not you and be a fake DL boy 923 00:32:38,392 --> 00:32:39,459 when you are openly gay. - Exactly. 924 00:32:39,526 --> 00:32:40,494 - That's weird. You're a weirdo. 925 00:32:40,561 --> 00:32:41,628 That's goofy. - Yes, yes. 926 00:32:41,695 --> 00:32:42,963 - You're goofy. 927 00:32:43,030 --> 00:32:44,965 - You're a goofball. - Taking it. 928 00:32:45,032 --> 00:32:46,500 I let him get his little rocks off 929 00:32:46,567 --> 00:32:48,135 because I know he wants this in real life, 930 00:32:48,202 --> 00:32:49,403 so I just let him, you know-- - What? What? What? 931 00:32:49,469 --> 00:32:51,104 What in real life? - Go ahead and do that. 932 00:32:51,171 --> 00:32:53,340 - What exactly do I want in real life? 933 00:32:53,407 --> 00:32:55,275 - This. - [laughs] 934 00:32:55,342 --> 00:32:57,344 You have lime green nails... - Talk about it. 935 00:32:57,411 --> 00:32:59,546 - A long-sleeved black shirt. 936 00:32:59,613 --> 00:33:02,850 You have leather jeans with fake strings coming out of 'em. 937 00:33:02,916 --> 00:33:04,151 - I would like to go home. 938 00:33:04,218 --> 00:33:05,519 - With these punk boots and corn rows. 939 00:33:05,586 --> 00:33:07,054 - Punk boots? Prada, baby. - You think I want that? 940 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,322 You hit me up, bro. 941 00:33:08,388 --> 00:33:09,890 I need you to make that make sense. 942 00:33:09,957 --> 00:33:11,959 And if you don't wanna have a sexual relationship with me, 943 00:33:12,025 --> 00:33:13,794 you're not being honest. 944 00:33:13,861 --> 00:33:15,896 - Shut your ass up. - Bitch. 945 00:33:15,963 --> 00:33:17,364 I'm cool. 946 00:33:23,737 --> 00:33:24,872 - You hit me up, bro. 947 00:33:24,938 --> 00:33:26,440 I need you to make that make sense. 948 00:33:26,507 --> 00:33:28,075 And if you don't wanna have a sexual relationship with me, 949 00:33:28,141 --> 00:33:30,143 you're not being honest. - Shut your ass up. 950 00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:31,812 - Bitch. 951 00:33:31,879 --> 00:33:33,380 I'm cool. 952 00:33:33,447 --> 00:33:35,649 [tense music] 953 00:33:35,716 --> 00:33:37,050 ♪♪ ♪♪ 954 00:33:37,117 --> 00:33:39,086 - It went-- it went [bleep] haywire. 955 00:33:40,821 --> 00:33:42,823 Kamie, like, it was way too much 956 00:33:42,890 --> 00:33:44,658 and, honestly, at this point, I was literally 957 00:33:44,725 --> 00:33:46,660 trying to find a way to, like, dead it, 958 00:33:46,727 --> 00:33:47,995 to, like, kill Tyler, 959 00:33:48,061 --> 00:33:50,364 to, like, not be doing this anymore, 960 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:53,300 and I'm honestly super sad that he's even, like, saddened. 961 00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:56,136 Oh, my gosh. 962 00:33:56,203 --> 00:33:57,971 - Is he trying to downplay? 963 00:33:58,038 --> 00:33:59,940 - Definitely trying to downplay the situation 964 00:34:00,007 --> 00:34:02,776 as if I was just playing, like it was just a joke. 965 00:34:02,843 --> 00:34:05,145 Like, "Oh, how do you fall in love over a year?" 966 00:34:05,212 --> 00:34:06,480 I just don't get it. 967 00:34:06,547 --> 00:34:08,982 Like, I have options in real life. 968 00:34:09,049 --> 00:34:10,250 You know what I'm saying? - Yeah. 969 00:34:10,317 --> 00:34:13,187 - I'm not entertaining certain people 970 00:34:13,253 --> 00:34:15,088 for kind of sort of this. 971 00:34:15,155 --> 00:34:16,990 - Because if it was just a joke 972 00:34:17,057 --> 00:34:19,259 and then he didn't wanna be doing it, 973 00:34:19,326 --> 00:34:20,928 he could have just stopped talking to you. 974 00:34:20,994 --> 00:34:22,196 - Exactly. 975 00:34:22,262 --> 00:34:23,664 - Maybe he thought, "Oh, I'll try to get him 976 00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:25,399 "to fall in love with me as Tyler, 977 00:34:25,465 --> 00:34:27,501 "and then maybe in the future, I'll reveal that it's me 978 00:34:27,568 --> 00:34:29,770 and he'll see that he actually does love me for who I am." 979 00:34:29,837 --> 00:34:31,471 Whatever. - I got some more questions. 980 00:34:31,538 --> 00:34:33,207 One second. 981 00:34:36,176 --> 00:34:38,612 - Tae, I'm sorry. - That's what I wanna hear. 982 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,748 - Let's get back to just sort of clearing up 983 00:34:41,815 --> 00:34:43,851 what we're even here for, okay? 984 00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:45,252 Let's just go to the backyard. 985 00:34:45,319 --> 00:34:47,688 Can we go this way? - Yeah, we can go this way. 986 00:34:50,224 --> 00:34:51,692 - All right. 987 00:34:51,758 --> 00:34:54,094 So the reality of the situation 988 00:34:54,161 --> 00:34:55,996 is that you guys are clearly good friends. 989 00:34:56,063 --> 00:34:58,131 For you to come here and sort of say, like, 990 00:34:58,198 --> 00:35:00,634 "That was nothing to me," that's hard to believe. 991 00:35:00,701 --> 00:35:03,971 So you gotta, like, explain better. 992 00:35:04,037 --> 00:35:06,006 - Based off the reaction that I get 993 00:35:06,073 --> 00:35:07,574 right now within this conversation 994 00:35:07,641 --> 00:35:08,976 is gonna kind of sort of, like, determine 995 00:35:09,042 --> 00:35:11,945 if we can even move on as friends in real life. 996 00:35:12,012 --> 00:35:15,782 So with you comparing my life 997 00:35:15,849 --> 00:35:18,886 and this Tyler situation to a "Sims" game, 998 00:35:18,952 --> 00:35:21,421 like, am I literally a joke to you? 999 00:35:21,488 --> 00:35:22,789 - No. 1000 00:35:22,856 --> 00:35:24,925 Honestly, like, you were never a joke to me. 1001 00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:26,894 - Because you like me. 1002 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,229 You're attracted to me. 1003 00:35:29,296 --> 00:35:30,697 - Yeah. - Oh. 1004 00:35:30,764 --> 00:35:33,567 - What? 1005 00:35:33,634 --> 00:35:36,103 - It was, like, weighing so deeply on me 1006 00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:38,772 and, like, to the point where every time that I would see you 1007 00:35:38,839 --> 00:35:41,141 and, like, talk to you-- 1008 00:35:41,208 --> 00:35:43,577 like, I didn't know that when I started that page. 1009 00:35:43,644 --> 00:35:45,112 Like, I felt like you were cool, 1010 00:35:45,179 --> 00:35:47,681 but I didn't know you were, you know, cool as [bleep]. 1011 00:35:47,748 --> 00:35:49,249 You know what I'm saying? 1012 00:35:49,316 --> 00:35:51,185 I didn't know I was gonna [bleep] love you like this. 1013 00:35:51,251 --> 00:35:53,921 - Well, thank you for being honest with us about it, 1014 00:35:53,987 --> 00:35:56,256 and that's why you did this for a year? 1015 00:35:56,323 --> 00:35:58,725 - It was a way that I was kind of getting to know him 1016 00:35:58,792 --> 00:36:00,494 in a way that I didn't know him, 1017 00:36:00,561 --> 00:36:02,329 and it was interesting, you know? 1018 00:36:02,396 --> 00:36:04,831 And, like, I overstepped my boundary for sure, 1019 00:36:04,898 --> 00:36:07,701 but it was like if you read someone's diary. 1020 00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:09,203 Like, you know? 1021 00:36:09,269 --> 00:36:10,604 You kind of get, like, a deeper insight 1022 00:36:10,671 --> 00:36:12,172 to who a person is, 1023 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,909 and Tyler's page was, like, a way 1024 00:36:15,976 --> 00:36:19,146 for me to express myself because, like, 1025 00:36:19,213 --> 00:36:22,416 in my real life I just-- you know, I keep face. 1026 00:36:22,482 --> 00:36:24,718 But, like, in that setting, 1027 00:36:24,785 --> 00:36:28,288 like you said, you opened up, and you let Tyler in on things, 1028 00:36:28,355 --> 00:36:31,391 which let my guard down in real life, 1029 00:36:31,458 --> 00:36:36,063 and I needed that at the time. I love you. 1030 00:36:36,129 --> 00:36:39,266 You know what I'm saying? You were never, like, just-- 1031 00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:41,535 Like, you never-- you always meant something-- 1032 00:36:41,602 --> 00:36:43,103 - Right, but you said you love me. 1033 00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:45,205 And I know you've said it as a friend to me before 1034 00:36:45,272 --> 00:36:46,940 in real life, but, like, 1035 00:36:47,007 --> 00:36:49,009 I just wanna know what does, like, love 1036 00:36:49,076 --> 00:36:51,211 in real life mean to you? 1037 00:36:51,278 --> 00:36:52,846 - It just means, like, you know, 1038 00:36:52,913 --> 00:36:54,448 you really-- you care for a person. 1039 00:36:54,515 --> 00:36:56,149 Like if you was to be [bleep] up tomorrow, 1040 00:36:56,216 --> 00:36:57,651 I'd be hurt, you know what I'm saying? 1041 00:36:57,718 --> 00:36:58,819 For real. Like, I see it for you. 1042 00:36:58,886 --> 00:37:00,287 I love you. You know what I'm saying? 1043 00:37:00,354 --> 00:37:04,057 It's definitely nothing but love between me and you. 1044 00:37:04,124 --> 00:37:06,193 - I love you too, like, as a friend. 1045 00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:09,930 I genuinely do, but literally just as friends. 1046 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:17,571 - All right, well, look, you guys have a lot of energy 1047 00:37:17,638 --> 00:37:19,506 that crisscrosses with each other, 1048 00:37:19,573 --> 00:37:21,008 good and bad, 1049 00:37:21,074 --> 00:37:23,310 but it feels like the friendship 1050 00:37:23,377 --> 00:37:25,779 is more important to you. - Yeah. 1051 00:37:25,846 --> 00:37:28,348 I regret it. I would have never done it. 1052 00:37:28,415 --> 00:37:31,952 I would have cut that part out of my life. 1053 00:37:32,019 --> 00:37:34,788 - But are you happy with just a friendship from Keontae 1054 00:37:34,855 --> 00:37:37,157 even if he never wants more than that? 1055 00:37:37,224 --> 00:37:38,625 - Yeah, no. I feel like our relationship 1056 00:37:38,692 --> 00:37:40,027 in real life is deeper. 1057 00:37:40,093 --> 00:37:41,461 - Right, but listen, though. 1058 00:37:41,528 --> 00:37:44,364 How do you gain, like, my trust back in real life? 1059 00:37:44,431 --> 00:37:45,632 You know what I'm saying? 1060 00:37:45,699 --> 00:37:48,168 - I'm done with the foo-foo page. 1061 00:37:48,235 --> 00:37:50,070 We chose to be friends. You know what I'm saying? 1062 00:37:50,137 --> 00:37:51,638 We could talk about anything 1063 00:37:51,705 --> 00:37:56,210 related to what we have talked about between you and Tyler. 1064 00:37:56,276 --> 00:37:58,212 And I'll do whatever it takes to make it up 1065 00:37:58,278 --> 00:38:01,381 because I love you. I value you to the core. 1066 00:38:01,448 --> 00:38:04,318 He know how genuinely sorry that I am. 1067 00:38:04,384 --> 00:38:06,353 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1068 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:11,358 - So where are you at as far as the friendship is concerned? 1069 00:38:13,493 --> 00:38:15,262 - Obviously he's my friend in real life, 1070 00:38:15,329 --> 00:38:18,131 and he obviously had real feelings for me 1071 00:38:18,198 --> 00:38:19,733 regardless of what type of feelings it was, 1072 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,736 and I can't just hate you for that. 1073 00:38:22,803 --> 00:38:23,971 You know what I'm saying? 1074 00:38:24,037 --> 00:38:26,073 He said he needed somebody to be there, 1075 00:38:26,139 --> 00:38:27,508 and I needed somebody to be there, 1076 00:38:27,574 --> 00:38:29,543 and we had each other regardless if it was 1077 00:38:29,610 --> 00:38:30,844 Tyler or you or not. 1078 00:38:30,911 --> 00:38:32,212 We had each other at the end of the day, 1079 00:38:32,279 --> 00:38:33,480 and I... - We always do. 1080 00:38:33,547 --> 00:38:35,215 - And I love that. You know what I'm saying? 1081 00:38:35,282 --> 00:38:38,252 So, yeah, in more time, like, we can still be friends. 1082 00:38:38,318 --> 00:38:40,988 I do hate that it's not Klei, 1083 00:38:41,054 --> 00:38:44,324 but it is what it is. 1084 00:38:44,391 --> 00:38:47,194 - All right, well, then I guess that's it. 1085 00:38:47,261 --> 00:38:49,363 Let's say goodbye for now. - Good to meet you. 1086 00:38:49,429 --> 00:38:51,265 - Good to meet you. - Oh, my gosh. 1087 00:38:51,331 --> 00:38:53,367 - Thank you so much. - Good to meet you. 1088 00:38:53,433 --> 00:38:56,770 - Good to meet you, too, guys. - And I love your braids. 1089 00:38:56,837 --> 00:38:58,639 - Thank you 'cause they are killing. 1090 00:38:58,705 --> 00:39:00,374 - Oh, my God. - [sighs] 1091 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,843 Well... 1092 00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:04,144 we did it. - Mm-hmm. 1093 00:39:04,211 --> 00:39:06,613 - We did it. - We got the answers. 1094 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,981 Life goes on. - Yeah. 1095 00:39:08,048 --> 00:39:10,250 - Keontae. - Yes. 1096 00:39:10,317 --> 00:39:12,586 - Keep your heart open, also keep your eyes open. 1097 00:39:12,653 --> 00:39:13,954 - Mm-hmm. - All right? 1098 00:39:14,021 --> 00:39:15,589 - And just keep being you. Keep being awesome. 1099 00:39:15,656 --> 00:39:16,957 - Thank you. 1100 00:39:17,024 --> 00:39:18,225 [tender pop music] 1101 00:39:18,292 --> 00:39:19,626 - See you guys later. 1102 00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:21,328 - ♪♪ Call me foolish ♪♪ 1103 00:39:21,395 --> 00:39:23,397 ♪♪ For thinking I'd find a way ♪♪ 1104 00:39:23,463 --> 00:39:25,032 - Drive safe. - Bye, boo. 1105 00:39:25,098 --> 00:39:26,166 - Later, Tae 1106 00:39:26,233 --> 00:39:27,734 - ♪♪ It's so useless ♪♪ 1107 00:39:27,801 --> 00:39:29,803 ♪♪ Trying to hold back the pain ♪♪ 1108 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:31,305 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1109 00:39:31,371 --> 00:39:34,741 - You think that they have any hope? 1110 00:39:34,808 --> 00:39:36,777 - You mean, like, romantically? 1111 00:39:36,844 --> 00:39:40,314 - I mean, I think that they're gonna end up doing something. 1112 00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:43,183 - It definitely seems like there's a potential 1113 00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:45,219 for them to have some sort of romance. 1114 00:39:45,285 --> 00:39:48,755 - They'll hook up eventually. [chuckles] 1115 00:39:48,822 --> 00:39:51,992 - ♪♪ Love is ruthless ♪♪ 1116 00:39:52,059 --> 00:39:54,962 ♪♪ Maybe I'm just fooling ♪♪ 1117 00:39:55,028 --> 00:39:56,964 - Hey! - Hey! 1118 00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:58,532 Love your hair. - Yeah, looks good. 1119 00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:59,933 So tell us everything. 1120 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,201 What's been going on since we left? 1121 00:40:01,268 --> 00:40:03,437 - I flew into New York. We had the show. 1122 00:40:03,504 --> 00:40:06,106 Gauldan was able to come and see me walk. 1123 00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:08,175 We linked up. - Like, linked. 1124 00:40:08,242 --> 00:40:09,476 - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Oh. 1125 00:40:09,543 --> 00:40:11,144 - We didn't link up, link up, no. 1126 00:40:11,211 --> 00:40:12,980 He's just not my type. - All right. 1127 00:40:13,046 --> 00:40:14,515 - That's fair. Did he try? 1128 00:40:14,581 --> 00:40:16,617 - Yeah, he definitely tried. - [laughs] 1129 00:40:16,683 --> 00:40:18,118 - Like, he gets real touchy. 1130 00:40:18,185 --> 00:40:19,853 He want to tell me how much he love me. 1131 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,321 - Right, well, what about dating? 1132 00:40:21,388 --> 00:40:23,290 Are you talking to anyone? - Not dating. 1133 00:40:23,357 --> 00:40:25,459 Like, I'm single. I'm not worried about a man. 1134 00:40:25,526 --> 00:40:27,194 - I hear you. - All right, Keontae. 1135 00:40:27,261 --> 00:40:28,529 - Best of luck. - Love y'all. 1136 00:40:28,595 --> 00:40:30,764 Bye, bye. 1137 00:40:30,831 --> 00:40:31,999 - Hey. - Hey, what's up? 1138 00:40:32,065 --> 00:40:33,000 - Wow. - How are you? 1139 00:40:33,066 --> 00:40:34,368 - I love this. - Yeah. 1140 00:40:34,434 --> 00:40:36,203 You're looking very sort of '70s roller disco. 1141 00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:38,539 - Yeah, yeah, that's what I was trying to go for. 1142 00:40:38,605 --> 00:40:41,008 - Mm-hmm, we know that you and Keontae met up 1143 00:40:41,074 --> 00:40:43,243 during Fashion Week. How was the energy? 1144 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:45,012 - That was nice. I love him. 1145 00:40:45,078 --> 00:40:46,613 Everything I said, I meant it, 1146 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,383 but we're just gonna keep it as friends. 1147 00:40:49,449 --> 00:40:50,851 - Are you dating someone in New York? 1148 00:40:50,918 --> 00:40:52,553 - I'm dating a lot of people. 1149 00:40:52,619 --> 00:40:54,488 My heart is open. 1150 00:40:54,555 --> 00:40:56,790 I'm hot and ready like a pizza. 1151 00:40:56,857 --> 00:40:58,892 Like, you don't sit there and let that pizza get cold. 1152 00:40:58,959 --> 00:41:00,194 - Facts. [chuckles] 1153 00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:01,929 - Well, I'm just happy you're still friends 1154 00:41:01,995 --> 00:41:03,897 and that you made it through this weird thing together. 1155 00:41:03,964 --> 00:41:05,365 It's a win. 1156 00:41:05,432 --> 00:41:07,134 - It was just so, so heavy on me. 1157 00:41:07,201 --> 00:41:09,336 I'm happy I'm free. - Good for you. 1158 00:41:09,403 --> 00:41:10,938 - Yeah. All right, Gauldan, take care. 1159 00:41:11,004 --> 00:41:13,040 - All right, guys, be safe. - Bye. 1160 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,447 I was like, "Hey, you're just gorgeous." 1161 00:41:20,514 --> 00:41:21,915 - This is crazy. 1162 00:41:21,982 --> 00:41:23,717 He's got 12,000 friends, and they're all women. 1163 00:41:23,784 --> 00:41:24,952 Casey might not be the only person 1164 00:41:25,018 --> 00:41:26,320 Mike is talking to. 1165 00:41:26,386 --> 00:41:28,722 - It's giving "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." 1166 00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:31,625 You see someone? 1167 00:41:34,161 --> 00:41:35,329 - Hey. - [gasps] 1168 00:42:08,862 --> 00:42:12,362 - I met him, like, when he added me.