I was like, "Hey, you're just gorgeous."
- This is crazy.
He's got 1,200 friends,
and they're all women.
Kaycee might not be the only person
Mike is talking to.
- It's giving "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
- You see someone?
[suspenseful music]
- Hey.
♪ ♪
All right, we're playing, right?
Do you wanna go first?
- Selections, selections.
- Oh.
- Ha-ha!
Ooh.
[laughs] - Got it.
Ooh, I see movement.
[suspenseful music]
Look at the focus.
- [gasps] Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God.
Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God.
- Wow.
- Are you kidding? No.
Put that back! - Oh!
Oh! - [shrieks]
- [laughs] - Oh, [bleep].
- [laughing] Yay!
I win!
You tried to play the player.
You can't. - [laughs]
- Good sport. [laughter]
- All right, so here we go.
"Hey, Nev and Kamie." - Hey.
- "My name is Kaycee.
"I'm a mom of two from Bay City, Michigan.
"A little over a year ago,
"I met this guy named Mike online.
"He friended me on Facebook, and I messaged him
"and told him he was gorgeous.
He answered, and from there we clicked."
- ♪ Thinking you could be the one ♪
♪ I said it once, got it oh so wrong ♪
- "He's 33 years old,
"lives in Tennessee,
"and works as a handyman.
"He lives far away, but he's so hot.
"He went from a guy I sent a few messages to
"to an everyday part of my life.
- ♪ Tell me more about you ♪
♪ Where'd you come from? ♪
- "I wanna be with him, I love him,
and he's the only one ever on my mind."
- Where's the but?
- "He keeps saying he'll come down here
"and be with me and take care of my kids too,
"but he never does.
"He still won't even videochat with me either.
"He says he can't
because he only has a flip phone."
♪ ♪
- Good old flip phone trick.
- "The part that has me worried though
"is that as close as we are,
"he still has ghosted me twice.
"He stopped responding on the phone, texts,
and Facebook."
- ♪ Landing you's got me ♪
- "It really hurt my feelings.
"But since then, we've been fine.
"In love.
"But I'm exhausted from waiting.
I want more."
- ♪ You're outta this world ♪
- "I really would love your help
"because I just want the truth,
"and I don't want to lose him.
Kaycee."
Wow, I wanna help Kaycee for sure.
- Yeah. - And I love Michigan.
Been a while since we were there.
I think we should call her
and find out some more.
- I agree.
[line trilling]
- Hello, Kaycee?
- It's Nev and Kamie from "Catfish."
- Hey.
- We just read your email.
Mike sounds like a sweet guy,
but he also sounds a little shady.
- Mm-hmm.
- Right, what's up with these mystery disappearances
and no explanation?
- Flip phone.
- Right, so before we get into it too much,
we should just come to Bay City,
and we can finally figure this out.
- We'll be there in no time.
- All right. - See you soon.
both: Bye.
- All right, let's just go help Kaycee
and hope this isn't Michigan Impossible.
[laughter]
- Bless! - ♪ I think it's time ♪
♪ To get away ♪ - Yes!
- All right. Michigan, here we come, baby.
- ♪ I think it's time to get away ♪
♪ What, what's the use of money ♪
♪ If you're only gonna stack it? ♪
- I feel like Kaycee
is gonna have a wild story to tell us,
so I'm preparing myself in advance.
- ♪ I think it's time to get away ♪
- Bless! - ♪ Yeah, I think it's time ♪
♪ To get away ♪
- Oh, wow, look at this.
Bay City. - Bay City.
- Cute little town.
All right, so Kaycee and Mike have been talking a year.
- Mm-hmm.
- Almost every day with the exception of two absences
where Mike just disappeared.
- Yeah. - With no explanation.
- Sounds suspicious.
- ♪ I think it's time to get away ♪
- Bless! - ♪ Yeah, I think it's time ♪
- Okay, shall we?
- Let's go.
- Ooh. - [gasps]
- Keys. - Should we let ourselves in?
[door creaks open] - Hi.
- That was too easy.
- [laughs] - Kaycee.
I could've just found the keys
and come right on in.
- [laughing] Well, come on in, guys.
- Good to meet you. - You too, hi!
- How are you? - Good.
- [gasps] You did not make all of this for us.
Look at this spread.
- Wait, really? - Oh, my God.
And there's spinach dip? - Yes.
- I have never had a spinach dip
that I didn't like, okay?
I'll be over here with the snacks.
Kaycee, you're so nice. - Plates.
- This is message to everybody
who we go across the entire country to help,
a little snack goes a long way.
- [munching]
It's an entire fruit platter.
- Excuse me.
- I'm not messing with you.
- I didn't say that I was sharing.
- All right, shall we?
- Oh, yeah. - We shall.
- Whew.
So you live here?
- Yes. - You're from the area?
- Mm-hmm. - And you got your kids?
- Yep, two of 'em.
It's just me and the boys.
- And do you work in addition
to taking care of your kids?
- Yeah, I do home health aide.
You go in people's houses.
You either feed them, take care of them, change them.
Stuff like that.
- That's a lot on your plate then.
- Yeah. - You have the two kids.
- Yeah.
- And then you're taking care of people all day.
That doesn't leave a lot of time to date.
Take us back to how you met Mike.
- I met him on Facebook, but he added me.
And then I was like, "Hey, you're just gorgeous."
- Mm-hmm. - And he wrote me back.
And from there, I gave him my number,
and he called me.
And from there, we just clicked.
- Oh, so you have talked on the phone?
- We talk every day.
- Wow, that is a lot.
And what was it about him that felt like a fit?
- We both come from hardship,
like, his father not being there
and mine either,
so he understands where I'm coming from.
We both want family.
He accepts the kids,
and he'll play with them online.
- Wait, really? - Yeah.
- How? - Like video games.
- No way. - They know about him.
- Do they know that Mike is, like, your boyfriend?
Is Mike your boyfriend?
- [laughs] I want him to be, but--
- But you haven't... both: Established that.
- Yeah. - Okay.
- 'Cause he's so far away.
- Mm. - Right.
- So you haven't made active plans
to, like, meet yet, right?
- We have.
He said he would, like-- he was willing
to take a bus up here, and then he just disappears.
- How long did he disappear for?
- I would probably say a month.
He said his phone was broke.
- So then you guys now are talking again?
- Yes.
- Does he also have a new phone at this point?
- I think he has another flip phone.
- New number? Same number?
- He has a different number. - Girl.
- After that, then you guys pick back up?
- Mm-hmm. - And everything feels good?
- Yep, everything's fine. We talk every day now.
- But you said there was a second time
he kind of disappeared.
- Yeah, in January till February he did it again.
He said he just had to get off the grid.
So I kind of took it like he was going through stuff.
- Hmm.
- When he came back, I'm like,
"Where have you been? Like, are you okay?"
And he said, "Yeah."
He's fine, but he didn't really give me an explanation
why he left.
[somber music]
- And this is a guy that you're still interested
in pursuing a relationship with?
- That's why I want help.
Like, he just--I just can't, like, let him go, like...
he always asks me how I'm doing.
His voice gives me comfort.
Like, he's thoughtful, he cares.
- Oh. - How much?
- 100 the first time, and then 25.
- Had you asked him for money or--
- No. - How does he send it to you?
- Cash App, and the first was Walmart.
- Okay, so when you picked it up,
you saw that, like, Mike Brown--
- It was Todd.
[laughs]
Mike is his middle name, but he goes by Mike.
Just...
- He must be real hot. - He's gorgeous.
I love his hair, his voice.
- I need to see a picture. - Come on.
Kamie, why don't you sit in the middle?
- I don't know what I was expecting,
but I was not expecting this.
- [laughs] - Yeah, me neither.
- He's cute. - He is.
[upbeat music]
- Mm. - Hmm.
And can we some of your messages?
"Crazy, I missed you..." Okay.
oh, and he sent you a minute and 27 long voice note?
- Kaycee. - Hmm?
- That's an African American male.
- [laughing] What?
- Case closed.
My work here is done.
- [laughs] He's white.
- [laughing] He's not white.
From my vocal analysis,
it's giving Black.
- What if everything is him
except he's not the guy in the pictures?
- I'ma be crushed 'cause I put a lot of time into him.
- Mm-hmm. - You know?
I just wanna know why, like...
- We usually ask, like, is there someone from your past
or an ex that's been trying to get back with you,
but, like, you would recognize his voice
'cause you guys talk on the phone...
- Yeah. - A lot.
We're gonna figure this out.
Email us everything,
and let us do some research and see what we can find.
- Okay.
- Well, we'll get out of here.
- Nice to meet you guys.
- Good to meet ya. - You too.
- All right. - That is a Black man, okay?
- Even if he was being honest with her
the whole time about who he was...
- Mm-hmm.
- It still doesn't explain his weird behavior.
- She's been making way too many excuses for him.
- It's just so suspicious
that he says he needs to get off the grid.
This is a guy with a flip phone.
What grid is he on?
- It's research time. - All right.
Let's get into this.
Kaycee talking to Mike.
It's been over a year.
Mostly great. Talking all the time.
He checks in with her all the time.
The only problem is that Mike,
not once, but twice, has sort of strangely disappeared.
- Mm-hmm.
- He did send her 125 bucks though.
- Mm-hmm. - But from a different name.
It seems likely that the thing that Mike is hiding
is that he's not the guy in the pictures.
- Mike is Black. - Uh, well...
- Hello, all the Black people watching...
- Right. - Are gonna know.
- All right. - [laughs]
- Let's see if we're right.
- Let's find Black Mike.
- "Hey, guys, here's what I know about Mike."
And here's his Facebook.
"He has two numbers since we've been talking.
"The old one. Here's the new one."
"He lives in Jackson, Tennessee
"and works as a handyman.
"He's sent me money twice.
"Once was on Walmart to Walmart
"with the name Todd Brown,
"and the other time was on Cash App."
And she gives us his Cash App name,
which is Billy [bleep].
"Thanks for your help! Kaycee."
All right. Let's check out his page.
All right, so there's a handful of photos on his Facebook.
- His thing says he's in a relationship.
- Right, and maybe that's with her.
- She said they're not in a relationship.
- Weird.
As I scroll through his friends,
I'm noticing... - A pattern.
- They're all women.
This is crazy.
He's got 1,200 friends, and they're all women.
This is starting to raise some additional red flags for me.
Kaycee might not be the only person Mike is talking to.
All right, let's run some pictures here.
Mm, uh--nothing.
Here's another one.
Anything there? No.
All right, so no hits on any pics.
- No. - Should we do a phone search?
- We can. - Search now.
Okay. - Nada.
But it is a old number. - Right, right.
- So we should search the new one.
- Let's search the new one.
[tense music]
Negative.
Let's just see what comes up in this Cash App.
- Billy [bleep]. - B-I-L-L-Y.
- [bleep]
- Huh.
He got a picture of a Mustang.
- Is that the number?
That's a different number.
But it's a 731.
We should search that number.
- You're right, so now let's search this number.
Interesting, okay.
♪ ♪
Robert Champion.
What is that? Trenton, Tennessee.
Let's look him up.
Robert Champion.
- Mm! - Oh!
- We got a hit. Who is this?
Oh, the car!
The Mustang! - The car.
- This guy looks pretty young.
Check his friends? - Yes.
- Brown.
Ooh, Mike Brown. [gasps]
Wait. Okay, so they're friends.
- They're friends?
- Or you mean, you think it could be him.
- It could be him.
Why is he friends with Mike Brown?
And this guy looks biracial.
This could be the guy Kaycee's talking to.
- What else is there about him here?
He's younger, right. - Mm-hmm.
- Oh, it says he works at Walmart.
Bingo.
He sent money from Walmart. - Mm-hmm.
- And he sent money from Cash App.
- Right.
- Cash App comes directly back to this guy.
Also says he works for Walmart.
I'm seeing a lot of arrows pointing...
- Mm-hmm. - To Robert.
If that's even his real name.
- Wait a second.
In order to send money at Walmart,
you have to show an ID presumably
with your real name,
so Todd Michael Brown, we're assuming,
is his real name.
- Right.
- So why don't we just do a search
for Todd Michael Brown?
- All right, let's see if we can do that.
Search.
Here we go. - Todd M. Brown.
- 33, it's, like, right--the right age.
- Right. - Trenton.
- Robert's from Trenton. - Right.
- He says he's from Jackson, Tennessee.
- Trenton. - Where?
- Oh, oh, okay.
So Jackson and Trenton are very close.
- Mm-hmm. - Oh.
- Criminal or Traffic and Bankruptcies,
why are those starred?
- Search for digitized records.
both: Oh!
- Whoa.
This guy's got a bunch of criminal violations
and burglary, evading arrest, vandalism.
Whoa, this is, like, a serious rap sheet.
- Off the grid.
- Yeah, maybe he got in trouble.
He's got three more aliases.
Oh, oh, Robert Champion! - [gasps]
- Come on! - Oh.
- That's it, mm! - Oh.
- Got 'em! But this kid's not 32.
- No, he's not. - And that's what's confusing.
- Could it be, like, his dad?
- Maybe they're friends, maybe they're relatives,
but somehow, Robert Champion is involved.
- Mm-hmm.
- Might be because Robert is "Michael."
- Robert is in there somewhere. - Yeah.
- He's the connector of the dots.
- I'm so conflicted. - I know.
- Because there's evidence suggesting
that there is a Todd M. Brown...
- Mm-hmm.
- In Tennessee who's the right age.
- Yeah.
- He has some convictions, some arrests,
and an alias of Robert Champion.
- Mm-hmm.
- But in the Robert Facebook pics,
he looks too young.
- Yeah, Robert Champion seems way younger
than what we're looking for.
- Right, too young.
Could it be two people somehow?
- I don't know. It's so weird.
- All right, here it is.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- Hello. - Hi.
- Hey.
♪ ♪
Where are you at with all this now?
- I'm excited and curious at the same time.
- Well, we've done some research,
so let me show you what we found.
Okay, so we did a photo search for all the pictures of him.
Got nothing. - Okay.
- So we went to his Facebook page,
and we went to his friends list.
Have you looked through his friends at all?
- No.
- I started to notice a pretty clear trend.
It is all women.
He has 1,200 friends, and as far as I can tell,
they're all young...
- Women.
- Could it be that many of these other women
also were randomly friend requested by him,
don't actually know him,
but could he potentially be talking
to some of them?
[tense music]
- Right.
- Did you also notice
that it says that he's in a relationship?
- I seen that, but he tells me he's not.
- Well, I wouldn't trust anything this guy says
'cause check this out.
You had told us about the Cash App that you got.
- Right. - From Billy [bleep].
- Right. - We went to that profile.
His picture is a black Mustang.
There is a phone number associated with it,
and we searched that phone number,
and it came back registered to Robert Champion.
♪ ♪
- Okay.
- So we thought, okay,
let's find out a little bit more
about this Robert Champion person,
see if we can find them on Facebook.
We were able to find-- in Trenton, Tennessee,
we found a Robert Champion.
And what do you know,
his banner picture is a black Mustang.
- Whoa. - And look at where he works.
The Walmart. [laughs]
- Works at Walmart.
- Hmm. - So we thought, okay.
This felt like the first, like, solid...
- Yeah. - Thing.
- Okay. - So then check this out.
We searched through Robert's friends list for Mike.
- And they're friends.
- Yeah, he's friends with Mike. - Mm-hmm.
They know each other. - They know each other.
- Yeah.
- But is it possible that Robert is Mike?
♪ ♪
- This is crazy.
- Think about it, this guy looks like he'd match
the voice that you've been talking to.
First time you got money was from Walmart.
This guy works at Walmart or did at some point.
And then the second time... - You're right.
- It's from the Cash App that is the same--
It's too many coincidences.
- Right.
- But is Robert Champion really his name?
Because the money transfer came from the name he gave you.
So we just tried to find
if there is a Todd Michael Brown,
who that is.
And on one site, we found a hit for Todd M. Brown.
And look at this, aliases: Robert--
- Champion. - Champion.
- Whoa.
- But then we finally noticed, holy [bleep].
In Criminal or Traffic,
he got a bunch of arrest records
for burglary, evading arrest, vandalism.
You know, when you told us that he went "off the grid,"
could he have been in trouble?
Maybe he could've been in prison.
- That's a long list.
- Something's going on here. - Yeah.
- And it's not as simple as he just has a busted phone,
and he's busy with work.
- Right.
- You deserve answers and basic respect
for the questions that you're asking.
It's basic. - Yeah.
- ♪ Can do is cry ♪
That's a lot.
- ♪ How do you love me ♪
♪ So close to breaking down? ♪
- This doesn't make no sense.
- ♪ You can't leave ♪
♪ ♪
- I just don't know what to say.
- ♪ Hooked up to your life support ♪
- I don't...
- ♪ Let me go ♪
- Look, we haven't confirmed
that it's not the guy in the pictures.
- Right.
- All we've now found though, there's definitely a connection
between Mike, the person you're talking to,
and this guy Robert Champion.
And we think they all might be the same person.
- I'll have some questions now.
- We obviously have a lot of questions now too.
I think we gotta just try calling him.
both: Right. - All right, so we'll call him.
[line trilling]
I don't know if he's gonna answer.
- I'm sorry, but the person you've--
- All right, let me send him a text.
- [clears throat]
- "Hey, Mike, it's Nev, from the TV show 'Catfish.'
"I'm here in Bay City with Kaycee.
"Will you please give me a call when you get this?
Thanks."
What about Robert? - Call him.
- We know his number, right? - Let's see, yeah.
- Let's see if he'll answer us.
[line trilling]
Robert, I guess.
[tense music]
Yeah, I guess-- [click]
- Hi, is this Robert?
- Hey, Robert, how you doing?
My name is Nev, from "Catfish." You know the show?
- Okay, cool, we're actually making an episode
of the show right now,
and we think you're friends
with this guy that we're trying to get in touch with
named Mike, or Mike Brown.
- Like, your actual brother?
- Half-brother, cool.
So do you know if he's in a relationship?
- But you're pretty sure he's not, like--
he doesn't have a girlfriend right now.
- We're with this person that's been talking to Mike,
and she got a Cash App payment from your Cash App.
Can you just-- we're just trying to figure out
how that happened.
- But it didn't come from your brother?
- So who sent that to you?
- So you just sort of get weird Cash Apps
and then messages that say,
"Can you please send this to this person?"
- You don't even know who's sending it to you?
- Okay, well, we've got some questions for your brother,
so if you don't mind, it would be really helpful
if you could just sort of reach out.
We're just basically trying to help him meet up
with this girl he's been talking to.
- Oh, why's that?
- He can text me back or call me back and you know,
tell me, you know, if now's not a good time,
I'd just love to hear that from him.
- Okay, cool. Well, I appreciate it.
- All right, you too.
[line beeps]
Did that sound like Mike?
- No, that's not his voice.
- But could that be him just doing a different voice?
- I don't know.
- It feels like it could be the same person.
The way he reacted, like, "Can't give you any information
about why he can't meet up, but now's not a good time."
How do you know?
- Let's not forget that he just randomly has
people send him money on Cash App
and ask him to send it to someone else,
and he just does it?
- Yeah, sketch, super sketch.
- He now knows that we're with you.
- Right.
- We should just plan tomorrow to go to Tennessee.
I think if we're there,
it makes it a lot harder for him to say no.
- Okay.
- 'Cause you've already come all the way...
- Yeah, yeah. - To him.
- So then get everything together
that you would need.
- I will, I will.
- All right.
[tense music]
Let us know if you hear anything.
- I will.
- We'll see you in the morning.
- All right. - See you in the morning.
- Bye, guys, bye.
- Oh, check it out.
We got something.
He said, "I guess I can meet if you come to Tennessee
if this is serious..."
Okay, we got him on the line.
[line trilling]
- Hello? - Kamie?
- Yes? - I have a text from Mike.
- No. - Yeah.
- Saying what?
- "I'll be outside of Nashville,
but let me figure out where to meet."
- Let's go to Nashville.
- Whoo, let's go!
[line trilling]
- Hello? - Kaycee?
- Hey, guys. - Good news.
I got a text from him.
He responded positively to meeting in Nashville.
- Awesome.
- We can have a car pick you up.
- Sounds good.
I'm nervous because I haven't flown.
I'm excited. - Wait, you've never--
- [gasps] - Been on an airplane?
- This gonna be my first time.
- We'll make sure it's an experience.
- All right, I'll see you at the airport.
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
Hi. - What's up?
- Just nervous.
- Hi.
- First time--have even been to the airport before?
- No. [laughs] - Oh, my God.
So this is an airport. - What?
- This is what an airport looks like.
- Did you bring your parachute?
- Stop it. - All right.
Here we go, into the airport.
[upbeat music]
- Over. [beeping]
Thank you. - Whoo!
- [laughs]
- All right.
- [indistinct]
- Tennessee, here we come.
- ♪ Feel it, can you feel it? ♪
♪ Whoa, ha ♪ [engine roaring]
- Here we go.
- Oh, my God.
Oh, [bleep]. [laughs]
- ♪ Feel it ♪
- Oh, my God.
Wow! That's crazy.
- ♪ Oh, can you feel it tonight? ♪
♪ You've got me losing my cool ♪
- That wasn't so bad. - It wasn't.
- Oh, we got a text.
- What'd he say? - He said, "Hey, bro."
- Bro. - "I'll be around here today."
And then he sent an address. - An address?
- He sent an address, and he said,
"Don't knock on the door. Go to the barn."
- I don't know if I like that.
- Gonna get our bags.
- Okay. - "See you soon."
[groans]
You ready to meet this guy?
- Yeah, I'm ready.
I'm nervous. [laughs]
- So wait a second,
is this the house and that the barn,
or is this the house and that the barn?
[suspenseful music]
That's not a barn. That's a shed.
- It's a shed.
- That must be the barn over there.
[eerie music]
All right, let me go check out this weird barn.
- We're gonna go explore.
After you, please.
It's giving "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
♪ ♪
- The sky is getting very dark and stormy.
I'm not really sure what's going on here.
- [gasps]
[whispering] I see somebody, I see somebody.
I saw somebody, I saw somebody.
Nev, Nev, Nev, Nev.
- You see someone?
I swear.
[dramatic music]
[gasps]
- All right.
- I'm not going in there. - Hello?
Anybody in here?
♪ ♪
Hey. - Hey.
♪ ♪
- What's up? - What's going on, man?
- I don't know. This is all very strange.
- Shut the [bleep] up!
- [laughs] - What's up?
Bring your ass out around that corner?
Come here. [laughs]
- Oh, my God.
- No!
[laughter]
- So this is Mike.
- Hey. - But is that your name?
- Yeah, my name is Todd Michael Brown.
- Okay. - It's you.
It's really you?
- Yeah, it's really me.
- [laughs]
- Hi, what?
[laughs]
- I've never been more wrong in my life.
- So this whole time that you've been talking,
or that Kaycee's been talking to you, it's been you?
- It's been me. - And only you?
- And only me.
- We were sure that you were full of [bleep],
and that you were not the guy in the pictures,
and that you could've been someone totally different,
which is why you were avoiding meeting up,
and you didn't want to FaceTime.
Why not FaceTime all these months?
- All right, when we first started talking,
she was on my ass about that FaceTime and [bleep] right?
She was. She was on my ass.
"Why can't I never see you when we talk?"
Why this, that, and the other.
Well, I had a flip phone, and I don't think
she always believed that [bleep], but I did.
- Okay.
- I didn't believe you 'cause who has a flip phone?
- Like, all this technology and [bleep],
like, I still knew how to use the flip phone
when I got out of prison.
You know what I'm saying, they didn't have smartphones
before I went in.
I've been locked up since 13 to 18,
and then 18 to 26.
Like, for real, like, I mean, like, I'm not--
I'm caveman status, for real, God damn it.
[somber music]
- And why did you never tell Kaycee about your past?
Going to jail, it seems like it was, like,
a big chunk of your life.
Like, why had you never brought that up to her?
♪ ♪
- I mean, it was...
I don't know, it's irrelevant.
It's the past, right?
- The flip phone thing could have been explained
just like that.
This is why I have a flip phone.
- You do have Cash App?
- Mm-mm, I be using my brother's and my sister's.
- The person we spoke to on the phone yesterday,
that was your brother?
- Robert? - Yeah, that's my brother.
- So he was covering for you? - Yeah.
- All right, so you're you,
and you're not in any relationship right now?
- No, I'm not in no relationship.
So you guys have been talking for almost a year.
Twice during that year, according to Kaycee,
you sort of vanished.
What was going on? Where'd you go?
What happened?
- Uh, I had started talking to this other girl.
[tense music]
And I got a baby on the way too.
♪ ♪
It's due in October.
- Did you know that? - Mm-mm.
- Wait, so hold on.
You have a child on the way
with a girl that you're obviously--you're not with?
- I'm not with, no.
♪ ♪
- Was it a girl that you were dating
or just sort of a fling?
- It was kinda just like a little fling thing,
and I tried to, like, make it work.
- Wow, okay. - Yeah, I know, right?
- So when were you gonna tell Kaycee that part?
- I don't know.
Like, I love Kaycee to death, but with the baby on the way,
I just don't see myself in a relationship
at the moment, like...
I just don't see it.
I know it's wrong, but-- - That's messed up.
- But I love you to death though.
But I love you to death though. For real, I do.
♪ ♪
[sighs]
- Oh, my God.
- Well, I don't really know...
- I don't know.
- The extent of your conversations with Kaycee,
but it seemed like you loved her and--
- I do love her, like--
I fell in love with her personality.
Like, I like her. She's great.
You know what I mean, she really is.
She's great.
♪ ♪
- I just wasted my time.
- I don't think that's true because we would've never known
that it was actually him, and who knows
when you would've ever gotten to him on FaceTime
or anything like that had we not done this.
Like, you wouldn't-- you would never know.
And this guy clearly doesn't know what he wants right now.
- Right.
- So if I were you, I would wanna know from him,
when were you gonna tell me that?
A year and some change into talking?
- He didn't think I would come.
That's what his problem is.
- You knew that, in talking to her,
you were leading her on at least towards thinking
that there was a romantic interest.
- Yeah, but I--
- And did you never really feel that way?
- I mean, in some ways, I did.
Like, I mean, I got a lot of love for her.
Like, I help her out any way I can.
Like, I've sent the money and everything.
You know, I do anything I can to help her, but...
I guess, she led it on
to more than what it is, and [bleep],
It could be that one day.
- We're back.
- [sighs, clears throat]
[tense music]
I don't know what to say right now.
♪ ♪
I left my kids at home for you.
- I know.
I know, and I'm glad to see you too.
I really am. I wanna hug you again.
Like, a lot. I do, but I don't--
I love you to death, like, who you are.
Like, I swear, like, you're...
I wish every woman had your personality.
God, I do, you know what I mean?
[laughing] I swear I do.
It was never a joke, you know what I mean, like...
I can't tell you three months from now, six months from now,
if you wanna stick around, keep talking,
hang out until then,
I can't tell you what'll happen then.
- But is it really fair to ask Kaycee to wait?
- I mean...
I don't know, like, I'm glad I--
I'm glad you're here now.
I mean, it's good to meet you though.
♪ ♪
- [laughs] Well, I'm glad you're real.
- [laughs] You're glad I'm real?
- Yeah, not a weirdo out here.
- [laughs]
- I mean, I'm mad at you, but...
- All right, look,
she can't keep getting these mixed signals
and keep waiting for the right time.
So I think Kaycee needs a minute to kind of think
about what she's now hearing and let it sink in.
Why don't we plan on meeting back up tomorrow?
♪ ♪
- Sure.
- All right.
We'll see you later, Mike.
- All right.
Bye, Kaycee.
- [sniffles] - Oh, boy.
- You all right?
- He doesn't know what he wants.
- That's bull[bleep], and then to talk
about things like, "Who knows what could happen."
- Right, it's just like,
"Don't even [bleep] go there right now."
And I think it has more to do with what you want.
[tense music]
If you're hoping tomorrow that you'll go there,
and he's gonna be like, "I wanna be with you,"
that's probably not gonna happen.
He said he doesn't know when it's gonna happen.
- Well, even if he does say that tomorrow,
I wouldn't believe him.
- Right.
- Think about everything
so that tomorrow when we talk to him,
you can be clear
about whatever direction it is you want things to go.
- Okay.
[knock at door] - Let's check in.
both: Hi. - Morning.
[soft music]
- How you feeling? - I'm okay.
Yeah, I had some time to think on it.
I didn't get catfished, but I did.
The fact that he, like, has a baby on the way,
that's big.
Like, you don't hide that.
- Yeah, and all the rest of it. [sighs]
It just seems like
you're gonna be getting the runaround
for as long as he so chooses until he chooses you--
if he chooses you, and that's not fair.
- If I were in your shoes,
I wouldn't wanna leave until I got an answer.
Would he like to have some sort of a relationship with you?
- Yeah, definitely.
I'd like to know too.
- All right, so I think we should press him
a little bit today.
- I need answers before I go home, yeah.
- Okay, then let's give him a call and head over there.
[line trilling]
- Hey, Mike, it's Nev.
- We'd love to have another chance
to sit down with you now and talk.
- That's perfect.
We'll meet you over there in a little bit.
- All right, thanks, bud.
[knock at door]
- Hey. - Hey, what's going on?
- Hey. - What's up?
- Y'all wanna come in? - Yeah.
[soft music]
- What did you do last night?
- Um, think.
- What'd you think about?
- A lot.
Um...
I wanna apologize.
I ain't mean to hurt you.
Like, I don't know, I was just--you hit me up,
and I was just, like, going with the flow of everything,
you know, and just...
You know, I needed a friend at the time,
and you was always there, you know?
And I liked that.
- I'm kinda just hurt because you lied to me.
- I ain't never wanted to hurt you,
but at the same time,
I loved the way that you chased me though.
You know what I'm saying, like, I do, I like--
- I was not. [laughs]
- What man wouldn't though, you know what I'm saying?
- But you said yesterday
something to the effect of, "You know, I don't know
how I'll feel in three months, six months, like, we'll see."
- I mean, I don't-- I really don't know.
- Right, but I think you can say pretty definitively
if you ever see yourself in a relationship--
in a romantic, sexual relationship
with Kaycee or not.
[tense music]
- Probably not.
♪ ♪
But I do love you, just not in that way.
'Cause if I did love you in that way,
then there would never be this girl, that girl,
and a baby on the way.
- Right.
- So it's obviously not there
like it needs to be there, or if it was,
then we wouldn't be having this conversation like this.
You should've just been honest from the get-go
like you're being honest right now.
- You right.
I guess I was playing with your feelings,
but it wasn't intentional.
Like, I thought you was getting something
out of the conversation,
I was getting something out of the conversation.
- What was I getting out of it?
Call it, like, companionship, whatever.
- She didn't have to get companionship from you,
as great as it's been.
- Well, that's what's up, but she hit me up
in the beginning, so I never started this.
So call it what you want.
I didn't pursue. I was pursued.
- But, like, you were saying things
that suggest that you were both attracted to her physically
and emotionally interested in her.
- I'm sorry that I led it on.
Yeah, I just--
[bleep], here we are.
I apologize,
and ain't [bleep] else I can say about it.
I'm sorry.
♪ ♪
- This is a good place to leave it.
Let's head outside, and we'll say goodbye,
and we'll head out.
♪ ♪
All right, well, good to meet you.
- Good to meet you.
- Stay clean. - Good luck.
- Stay out of trouble. - Good luck.
- Stay good.
Both? Handshake and hug, you know.
[sniffs] I don't know.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean--
you know, you're still my buddy.
- That's it? - All right.
- We're good.
- All right, Mike.
- A'ight, Nev. - Thanks, Mike.
[soft music]
- ♪ Isn't it strange? ♪
- How was that?
- ♪ Way it's just over ♪
♪ ♪
- [sobs, sniffles]
♪ ♪
- ♪ No late-night calls ♪
♪ You're not here ♪
- Kaycee, you didn't do anything wrong.
You know that, right?
- ♪ To my door ♪
- I just understand, like, how you could be so careless.
[crying]
It's just [bleep] up, real [bleep] up.
- You're right.
You're 100% right.
- I don't understand.
I just don't understand how you could
treat somebody like that.
♪ ♪
- ♪ But I've gotta grow up ♪
- It's just real [bleep] up.
- ♪ No, I can't keep holding ♪
- [sobbing]
- ♪ On to you ♪
- [crying]
- Can I come in?
Just see how you're feeling.
- Hurt.
I was in love with him, like, everything about him.
I accepted-- like, [bleep] your past.
I would've--I love you, like...
♪ ♪
Like, I love you, and you just don't care.
♪ ♪
- You got the closure that you needed at least.
- You needed to release this, and express that,
and let go of it, and I'm glad that we were able
to at least do that now, and I'm happy that you did.
It's the only way it'll, like-- - It's a mourning process.
Like, you have to grieve the loss
of that relationship,
friendship, whatever the [bleep] else.
- Yeah, it's not gonna be there no more.
- Yeah.
- I got you, sis. - [laughs]
- So bring it in.
- We're proud of you.
- ♪ I wish that I ♪
- [laughs]
- Let's get you home, all right?
- Okay. - Let's get you home.
- ♪ You ♪
[bell dings]
both: Hey! - Hi!
- Aw, you look happy. You look good.
- I am.
- What's going on with you?
- You know, staying busy with the kids and stuff.
- Yeah, have you talked to Mike?
- No, I have nothing to say to him.
- Good for you. - Yeah.
- I was sad about it at first,
but you guys helping me,
it showed me who he really is, and, like, it's not for me.
- Yeah, clean break.
- How's the love life doing?
- The love life is on hold.
I've just been focusing on myself,
and it's just-- I'm all right with it now.
I'm happy. That's all that matters.
- Good, I'm happy to hear this.
We're excited to see what happens with you
in the future.
Send us some of that spinach dip.
- [laughs] - 'Cause I've been missing it.
None of the spinach dips I've had since
have hit the same.
- [laughs]
- All right, Kaycee. - Good luck.
Glad we were able to help clear this situation up
and let you kind of get on with your life.
- Thank you guys.
- See you next time. - Bye.
[chill music]
- This girl seems so independent, ambitious.
I'm like, "Okay."
- Do you know who J-- that I'm talking about
when I say Jessica Fox?
[line beeps] - [groans]
- This could be her!
- Hello.
- Oh, [bleep].