1 00:00:02,670 --> 00:00:04,436 I was like, "Hey, you're just gorgeous." 2 00:00:04,505 --> 00:00:05,404 - This is crazy. 3 00:00:05,473 --> 00:00:06,405 He's got 1,200 friends, 4 00:00:06,474 --> 00:00:07,606 and they're all women. 5 00:00:07,675 --> 00:00:08,774 Kaycee might not be the only person 6 00:00:08,843 --> 00:00:10,476 Mike is talking to. 7 00:00:10,544 --> 00:00:12,611 - It's giving "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." 8 00:00:13,848 --> 00:00:15,481 - You see someone? 9 00:00:16,350 --> 00:00:19,084 [suspenseful music] 10 00:00:19,153 --> 00:00:20,185 - Hey. 11 00:00:20,254 --> 00:00:22,921 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:22,990 --> 00:00:25,090 All right, we're playing, right? 13 00:00:25,159 --> 00:00:27,092 Do you wanna go first? 14 00:00:27,161 --> 00:00:29,461 - Selections, selections. 15 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:31,430 - Oh. 16 00:00:31,499 --> 00:00:33,632 - Ha-ha! 17 00:00:33,701 --> 00:00:35,467 Ooh. 18 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:36,802 [laughs] - Got it. 19 00:00:36,871 --> 00:00:39,204 Ooh, I see movement. 20 00:00:39,273 --> 00:00:40,672 [suspenseful music] 21 00:00:40,741 --> 00:00:42,107 Look at the focus. 22 00:00:42,176 --> 00:00:43,976 - [gasps] Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. 23 00:00:44,045 --> 00:00:45,811 Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. 24 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,746 - Wow. 25 00:00:47,815 --> 00:00:49,314 - Are you kidding? No. 26 00:00:49,383 --> 00:00:50,482 Put that back! - Oh! 27 00:00:50,551 --> 00:00:51,884 Oh! - [shrieks] 28 00:00:51,952 --> 00:00:53,118 - [laughs] - Oh, [bleep]. 29 00:00:53,187 --> 00:00:54,987 - [laughing] Yay! 30 00:00:55,056 --> 00:00:56,555 I win! 31 00:00:56,624 --> 00:00:57,790 You tried to play the player. 32 00:00:57,858 --> 00:01:00,125 You can't. - [laughs] 33 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:02,528 - Good sport. [laughter] 34 00:01:02,596 --> 00:01:03,996 - All right, so here we go. 35 00:01:04,065 --> 00:01:06,165 "Hey, Nev and Kamie." - Hey. 36 00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:07,633 - "My name is Kaycee. 37 00:01:07,701 --> 00:01:11,503 "I'm a mom of two from Bay City, Michigan. 38 00:01:11,572 --> 00:01:13,372 "A little over a year ago, 39 00:01:13,441 --> 00:01:15,741 "I met this guy named Mike online. 40 00:01:15,810 --> 00:01:18,010 "He friended me on Facebook, and I messaged him 41 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:19,545 "and told him he was gorgeous. 42 00:01:19,613 --> 00:01:22,481 He answered, and from there we clicked." 43 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:23,882 - ♪ Thinking you could be the one ♪ 44 00:01:23,951 --> 00:01:26,385 ♪ I said it once, got it oh so wrong ♪ 45 00:01:26,454 --> 00:01:27,986 - "He's 33 years old, 46 00:01:28,055 --> 00:01:29,755 "lives in Tennessee, 47 00:01:29,824 --> 00:01:31,256 "and works as a handyman. 48 00:01:31,325 --> 00:01:34,893 "He lives far away, but he's so hot. 49 00:01:34,962 --> 00:01:37,930 "He went from a guy I sent a few messages to 50 00:01:37,998 --> 00:01:40,999 "to an everyday part of my life. 51 00:01:41,068 --> 00:01:43,235 - ♪ Tell me more about you ♪ 52 00:01:43,304 --> 00:01:45,170 ♪ Where'd you come from? ♪ 53 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:46,872 - "I wanna be with him, I love him, 54 00:01:46,941 --> 00:01:49,575 and he's the only one ever on my mind." 55 00:01:49,643 --> 00:01:50,876 - Where's the but? 56 00:01:50,945 --> 00:01:52,377 - "He keeps saying he'll come down here 57 00:01:52,446 --> 00:01:54,880 "and be with me and take care of my kids too, 58 00:01:54,949 --> 00:01:56,248 "but he never does. 59 00:01:56,317 --> 00:01:58,584 "He still won't even videochat with me either. 60 00:01:58,652 --> 00:01:59,852 "He says he can't 61 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,855 because he only has a flip phone." 62 00:02:02,923 --> 00:02:03,922 ♪ ♪ 63 00:02:03,991 --> 00:02:05,524 - Good old flip phone trick. 64 00:02:05,593 --> 00:02:07,593 - "The part that has me worried though 65 00:02:07,661 --> 00:02:09,461 "is that as close as we are, 66 00:02:09,530 --> 00:02:12,097 "he still has ghosted me twice. 67 00:02:12,166 --> 00:02:14,366 "He stopped responding on the phone, texts, 68 00:02:14,435 --> 00:02:15,767 and Facebook." 69 00:02:15,836 --> 00:02:19,571 - ♪ Landing you's got me ♪ 70 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,173 - "It really hurt my feelings. 71 00:02:21,242 --> 00:02:23,709 "But since then, we've been fine. 72 00:02:23,777 --> 00:02:25,444 "In love. 73 00:02:25,513 --> 00:02:27,412 "But I'm exhausted from waiting. 74 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:28,514 I want more." 75 00:02:28,582 --> 00:02:30,582 - ♪ You're outta this world ♪ 76 00:02:30,651 --> 00:02:31,917 - "I really would love your help 77 00:02:31,986 --> 00:02:34,052 "because I just want the truth, 78 00:02:34,121 --> 00:02:36,388 "and I don't want to lose him. 79 00:02:36,457 --> 00:02:38,423 Kaycee." 80 00:02:38,492 --> 00:02:40,626 Wow, I wanna help Kaycee for sure. 81 00:02:40,694 --> 00:02:41,860 - Yeah. - And I love Michigan. 82 00:02:41,929 --> 00:02:43,095 Been a while since we were there. 83 00:02:43,164 --> 00:02:44,062 I think we should call her 84 00:02:44,131 --> 00:02:45,464 and find out some more. 85 00:02:45,533 --> 00:02:46,465 - I agree. 86 00:02:46,534 --> 00:02:48,000 [line trilling] 87 00:02:48,936 --> 00:02:50,836 - Hello, Kaycee? 88 00:02:50,905 --> 00:02:52,905 - It's Nev and Kamie from "Catfish." 89 00:02:52,973 --> 00:02:54,606 - Hey. 90 00:02:54,675 --> 00:02:55,908 - We just read your email. 91 00:02:55,976 --> 00:02:57,342 Mike sounds like a sweet guy, 92 00:02:57,411 --> 00:02:58,977 but he also sounds a little shady. 93 00:02:59,046 --> 00:03:00,746 - Mm-hmm. 94 00:03:01,715 --> 00:03:03,882 - Right, what's up with these mystery disappearances 95 00:03:03,951 --> 00:03:05,250 and no explanation? 96 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:06,718 - Flip phone. 97 00:03:07,821 --> 00:03:10,489 - Right, so before we get into it too much, 98 00:03:10,558 --> 00:03:11,823 we should just come to Bay City, 99 00:03:11,892 --> 00:03:13,358 and we can finally figure this out. 100 00:03:16,564 --> 00:03:17,963 - We'll be there in no time. 101 00:03:19,033 --> 00:03:20,465 - All right. - See you soon. 102 00:03:21,302 --> 00:03:22,401 both: Bye. 103 00:03:22,469 --> 00:03:23,635 - All right, let's just go help Kaycee 104 00:03:23,704 --> 00:03:27,039 and hope this isn't Michigan Impossible. 105 00:03:27,107 --> 00:03:28,807 [laughter] 106 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:30,042 - Bless! - ♪ I think it's time ♪ 107 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:32,844 ♪ To get away ♪ - Yes! 108 00:03:32,913 --> 00:03:35,681 - All right. Michigan, here we come, baby. 109 00:03:35,749 --> 00:03:38,650 - ♪ I think it's time to get away ♪ 110 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:40,319 ♪ What, what's the use of money ♪ 111 00:03:40,387 --> 00:03:42,054 ♪ If you're only gonna stack it? ♪ 112 00:03:42,122 --> 00:03:44,990 - I feel like Kaycee 113 00:03:45,059 --> 00:03:47,392 is gonna have a wild story to tell us, 114 00:03:47,461 --> 00:03:50,996 so I'm preparing myself in advance. 115 00:03:51,065 --> 00:03:53,332 - ♪ I think it's time to get away ♪ 116 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,700 - Bless! - ♪ Yeah, I think it's time ♪ 117 00:03:54,768 --> 00:03:56,835 ♪ To get away ♪ 118 00:03:56,904 --> 00:03:58,003 - Oh, wow, look at this. 119 00:03:58,072 --> 00:04:00,105 Bay City. - Bay City. 120 00:04:00,174 --> 00:04:02,274 - Cute little town. 121 00:04:02,343 --> 00:04:06,345 All right, so Kaycee and Mike have been talking a year. 122 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:07,779 - Mm-hmm. 123 00:04:07,848 --> 00:04:09,548 - Almost every day with the exception of two absences 124 00:04:09,617 --> 00:04:11,149 where Mike just disappeared. 125 00:04:11,218 --> 00:04:13,085 - Yeah. - With no explanation. 126 00:04:13,153 --> 00:04:14,653 - Sounds suspicious. 127 00:04:14,722 --> 00:04:16,021 - ♪ I think it's time to get away ♪ 128 00:04:16,090 --> 00:04:17,723 - Bless! - ♪ Yeah, I think it's time ♪ 129 00:04:17,791 --> 00:04:19,758 - Okay, shall we? 130 00:04:19,827 --> 00:04:21,927 - Let's go. 131 00:04:24,698 --> 00:04:25,897 - Ooh. - [gasps] 132 00:04:25,966 --> 00:04:27,733 - Keys. - Should we let ourselves in? 133 00:04:27,801 --> 00:04:29,301 [door creaks open] - Hi. 134 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:30,602 - That was too easy. 135 00:04:30,671 --> 00:04:31,803 - [laughs] - Kaycee. 136 00:04:31,872 --> 00:04:33,171 I could've just found the keys 137 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,540 and come right on in. 138 00:04:35,609 --> 00:04:37,276 - [laughing] Well, come on in, guys. 139 00:04:37,344 --> 00:04:39,544 - Good to meet you. - You too, hi! 140 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,046 - How are you? - Good. 141 00:04:41,115 --> 00:04:44,049 - [gasps] You did not make all of this for us. 142 00:04:44,118 --> 00:04:45,250 Look at this spread. 143 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:47,019 - Wait, really? - Oh, my God. 144 00:04:47,087 --> 00:04:48,654 And there's spinach dip? - Yes. 145 00:04:48,722 --> 00:04:49,788 - I have never had a spinach dip 146 00:04:49,857 --> 00:04:51,023 that I didn't like, okay? 147 00:04:51,091 --> 00:04:52,924 I'll be over here with the snacks. 148 00:04:52,993 --> 00:04:54,760 Kaycee, you're so nice. - Plates. 149 00:04:54,828 --> 00:04:56,428 - This is message to everybody 150 00:04:56,497 --> 00:05:00,132 who we go across the entire country to help, 151 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,967 a little snack goes a long way. 152 00:05:02,036 --> 00:05:03,335 - [munching] 153 00:05:03,404 --> 00:05:04,870 It's an entire fruit platter. 154 00:05:04,938 --> 00:05:06,204 - Excuse me. 155 00:05:06,273 --> 00:05:07,339 - I'm not messing with you. 156 00:05:07,408 --> 00:05:09,141 - I didn't say that I was sharing. 157 00:05:09,209 --> 00:05:11,176 - All right, shall we? 158 00:05:11,245 --> 00:05:12,611 - Oh, yeah. - We shall. 159 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,980 - Whew. 160 00:05:15,049 --> 00:05:17,449 So you live here? 161 00:05:17,518 --> 00:05:18,984 - Yes. - You're from the area? 162 00:05:19,053 --> 00:05:21,953 - Mm-hmm. - And you got your kids? 163 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:23,088 - Yep, two of 'em. 164 00:05:23,157 --> 00:05:24,189 It's just me and the boys. 165 00:05:24,258 --> 00:05:25,457 - And do you work in addition 166 00:05:25,526 --> 00:05:26,458 to taking care of your kids? 167 00:05:26,527 --> 00:05:27,759 - Yeah, I do home health aide. 168 00:05:27,828 --> 00:05:30,162 You go in people's houses. 169 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:32,631 You either feed them, take care of them, change them. 170 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:33,799 Stuff like that. 171 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:34,900 - That's a lot on your plate then. 172 00:05:34,968 --> 00:05:35,934 - Yeah. - You have the two kids. 173 00:05:36,003 --> 00:05:37,269 - Yeah. 174 00:05:37,338 --> 00:05:38,437 - And then you're taking care of people all day. 175 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:40,439 That doesn't leave a lot of time to date. 176 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:43,241 Take us back to how you met Mike. 177 00:05:43,310 --> 00:05:45,577 - I met him on Facebook, but he added me. 178 00:05:45,646 --> 00:05:48,146 And then I was like, "Hey, you're just gorgeous." 179 00:05:48,215 --> 00:05:49,981 - Mm-hmm. - And he wrote me back. 180 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:52,217 And from there, I gave him my number, 181 00:05:52,286 --> 00:05:53,318 and he called me. 182 00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:55,487 And from there, we just clicked. 183 00:05:55,556 --> 00:05:56,488 - Oh, so you have talked on the phone? 184 00:05:56,557 --> 00:05:57,723 - We talk every day. 185 00:05:57,791 --> 00:05:59,558 - Wow, that is a lot. 186 00:05:59,626 --> 00:06:02,728 And what was it about him that felt like a fit? 187 00:06:02,796 --> 00:06:05,564 - We both come from hardship, 188 00:06:05,632 --> 00:06:07,299 like, his father not being there 189 00:06:07,368 --> 00:06:08,967 and mine either, 190 00:06:09,036 --> 00:06:11,536 so he understands where I'm coming from. 191 00:06:11,605 --> 00:06:12,971 We both want family. 192 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,639 He accepts the kids, 193 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:17,142 and he'll play with them online. 194 00:06:17,211 --> 00:06:18,310 - Wait, really? - Yeah. 195 00:06:18,379 --> 00:06:20,445 - How? - Like video games. 196 00:06:20,514 --> 00:06:22,180 - No way. - They know about him. 197 00:06:22,249 --> 00:06:24,149 - Do they know that Mike is, like, your boyfriend? 198 00:06:24,218 --> 00:06:25,617 Is Mike your boyfriend? 199 00:06:25,686 --> 00:06:27,686 - [laughs] I want him to be, but-- 200 00:06:27,755 --> 00:06:29,821 - But you haven't... both: Established that. 201 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:31,323 - Yeah. - Okay. 202 00:06:31,392 --> 00:06:32,524 - 'Cause he's so far away. 203 00:06:32,593 --> 00:06:34,126 - Mm. - Right. 204 00:06:34,194 --> 00:06:36,661 - So you haven't made active plans 205 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:38,797 to, like, meet yet, right? 206 00:06:38,866 --> 00:06:40,198 - We have. 207 00:06:40,267 --> 00:06:41,967 He said he would, like-- he was willing 208 00:06:42,035 --> 00:06:46,938 to take a bus up here, and then he just disappears. 209 00:06:47,007 --> 00:06:48,573 - How long did he disappear for? 210 00:06:48,642 --> 00:06:50,041 - I would probably say a month. 211 00:06:50,110 --> 00:06:51,376 He said his phone was broke. 212 00:06:51,445 --> 00:06:53,011 - So then you guys now are talking again? 213 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,312 - Yes. 214 00:06:54,381 --> 00:06:56,014 - Does he also have a new phone at this point? 215 00:06:56,083 --> 00:06:58,150 - I think he has another flip phone. 216 00:06:58,218 --> 00:07:00,585 - New number? Same number? 217 00:07:00,654 --> 00:07:03,288 - He has a different number. - Girl. 218 00:07:03,357 --> 00:07:05,390 - After that, then you guys pick back up? 219 00:07:05,459 --> 00:07:07,125 - Mm-hmm. - And everything feels good? 220 00:07:07,194 --> 00:07:09,694 - Yep, everything's fine. We talk every day now. 221 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:11,663 - But you said there was a second time 222 00:07:11,732 --> 00:07:13,031 he kind of disappeared. 223 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:15,901 - Yeah, in January till February he did it again. 224 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:18,270 He said he just had to get off the grid. 225 00:07:18,338 --> 00:07:21,339 So I kind of took it like he was going through stuff. 226 00:07:21,408 --> 00:07:22,541 - Hmm. 227 00:07:22,609 --> 00:07:24,075 - When he came back, I'm like, 228 00:07:24,144 --> 00:07:26,711 "Where have you been? Like, are you okay?" 229 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:28,914 And he said, "Yeah." 230 00:07:28,982 --> 00:07:31,283 He's fine, but he didn't really give me an explanation 231 00:07:31,351 --> 00:07:32,717 why he left. 232 00:07:32,786 --> 00:07:34,352 [somber music] 233 00:07:34,421 --> 00:07:35,987 - And this is a guy that you're still interested 234 00:07:36,056 --> 00:07:37,289 in pursuing a relationship with? 235 00:07:37,357 --> 00:07:38,723 - That's why I want help. 236 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:42,394 Like, he just--I just can't, like, let him go, like... 237 00:07:42,463 --> 00:07:45,130 he always asks me how I'm doing. 238 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:48,033 His voice gives me comfort. 239 00:07:48,101 --> 00:07:50,101 Like, he's thoughtful, he cares. 240 00:07:51,772 --> 00:07:53,205 - Oh. - How much? 241 00:07:53,273 --> 00:07:55,607 - 100 the first time, and then 25. 242 00:07:55,676 --> 00:07:56,875 - Had you asked him for money or-- 243 00:07:56,944 --> 00:07:58,477 - No. - How does he send it to you? 244 00:07:58,545 --> 00:08:01,046 - Cash App, and the first was Walmart. 245 00:08:01,114 --> 00:08:02,314 - Okay, so when you picked it up, 246 00:08:02,382 --> 00:08:04,716 you saw that, like, Mike Brown-- 247 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:06,885 - It was Todd. 248 00:08:06,954 --> 00:08:08,553 [laughs] 249 00:08:08,622 --> 00:08:11,056 Mike is his middle name, but he goes by Mike. 250 00:08:11,124 --> 00:08:12,357 Just... 251 00:08:12,426 --> 00:08:14,459 - He must be real hot. - He's gorgeous. 252 00:08:14,528 --> 00:08:16,595 I love his hair, his voice. 253 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:17,996 - I need to see a picture. - Come on. 254 00:08:18,065 --> 00:08:20,665 Kamie, why don't you sit in the middle? 255 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:22,000 - I don't know what I was expecting, 256 00:08:22,069 --> 00:08:23,635 but I was not expecting this. 257 00:08:23,704 --> 00:08:24,669 - [laughs] - Yeah, me neither. 258 00:08:24,738 --> 00:08:26,471 - He's cute. - He is. 259 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:28,006 [upbeat music] 260 00:08:28,075 --> 00:08:30,308 - Mm. - Hmm. 261 00:08:30,377 --> 00:08:32,344 And can we some of your messages? 262 00:08:32,412 --> 00:08:35,113 "Crazy, I missed you..." Okay. 263 00:08:35,182 --> 00:08:38,216 oh, and he sent you a minute and 27 long voice note? 264 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:52,364 - Kaycee. - Hmm? 265 00:08:52,432 --> 00:08:53,798 - That's an African American male. 266 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:54,933 - [laughing] What? 267 00:08:55,002 --> 00:08:56,935 - Case closed. 268 00:08:57,004 --> 00:08:58,069 My work here is done. 269 00:08:58,138 --> 00:09:00,138 - [laughs] He's white. 270 00:09:00,207 --> 00:09:01,172 - [laughing] He's not white. 271 00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:02,841 From my vocal analysis, 272 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:04,442 it's giving Black. 273 00:09:04,511 --> 00:09:06,545 - What if everything is him 274 00:09:06,613 --> 00:09:08,713 except he's not the guy in the pictures? 275 00:09:08,782 --> 00:09:12,317 - I'ma be crushed 'cause I put a lot of time into him. 276 00:09:12,386 --> 00:09:13,518 - Mm-hmm. - You know? 277 00:09:13,587 --> 00:09:16,388 I just wanna know why, like... 278 00:09:16,456 --> 00:09:19,124 - We usually ask, like, is there someone from your past 279 00:09:19,192 --> 00:09:21,192 or an ex that's been trying to get back with you, 280 00:09:21,261 --> 00:09:22,961 but, like, you would recognize his voice 281 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:24,329 'cause you guys talk on the phone... 282 00:09:24,398 --> 00:09:25,497 - Yeah. - A lot. 283 00:09:25,566 --> 00:09:26,898 We're gonna figure this out. 284 00:09:26,967 --> 00:09:28,500 Email us everything, 285 00:09:28,569 --> 00:09:30,835 and let us do some research and see what we can find. 286 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:31,903 - Okay. 287 00:09:31,972 --> 00:09:33,705 - Well, we'll get out of here. 288 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:36,207 - Nice to meet you guys. 289 00:09:36,276 --> 00:09:38,343 - Good to meet ya. - You too. 290 00:09:38,412 --> 00:09:42,147 - All right. - That is a Black man, okay? 291 00:09:42,215 --> 00:09:44,316 - Even if he was being honest with her 292 00:09:44,384 --> 00:09:45,383 the whole time about who he was... 293 00:09:45,452 --> 00:09:46,718 - Mm-hmm. 294 00:09:46,787 --> 00:09:48,520 - It still doesn't explain his weird behavior. 295 00:09:48,589 --> 00:09:50,722 - She's been making way too many excuses for him. 296 00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:52,023 - It's just so suspicious 297 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:54,059 that he says he needs to get off the grid. 298 00:09:54,127 --> 00:09:55,694 This is a guy with a flip phone. 299 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:59,297 What grid is he on? 300 00:09:59,366 --> 00:10:00,432 - It's research time. - All right. 301 00:10:00,500 --> 00:10:02,467 Let's get into this. 302 00:10:02,536 --> 00:10:04,202 Kaycee talking to Mike. 303 00:10:04,271 --> 00:10:05,503 It's been over a year. 304 00:10:05,572 --> 00:10:07,238 Mostly great. Talking all the time. 305 00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:08,540 He checks in with her all the time. 306 00:10:08,609 --> 00:10:10,642 The only problem is that Mike, 307 00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:13,645 not once, but twice, has sort of strangely disappeared. 308 00:10:13,714 --> 00:10:14,813 - Mm-hmm. 309 00:10:14,881 --> 00:10:16,881 - He did send her 125 bucks though. 310 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:18,783 - Mm-hmm. - But from a different name. 311 00:10:18,852 --> 00:10:21,720 It seems likely that the thing that Mike is hiding 312 00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:23,154 is that he's not the guy in the pictures. 313 00:10:23,223 --> 00:10:24,923 - Mike is Black. - Uh, well... 314 00:10:24,992 --> 00:10:26,558 - Hello, all the Black people watching... 315 00:10:26,627 --> 00:10:27,892 - Right. - Are gonna know. 316 00:10:27,961 --> 00:10:28,893 - All right. - [laughs] 317 00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:30,161 - Let's see if we're right. 318 00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:31,529 - Let's find Black Mike. 319 00:10:31,598 --> 00:10:32,931 - "Hey, guys, here's what I know about Mike." 320 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,466 And here's his Facebook. 321 00:10:34,534 --> 00:10:36,668 "He has two numbers since we've been talking. 322 00:10:36,737 --> 00:10:38,069 "The old one. Here's the new one." 323 00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:39,971 "He lives in Jackson, Tennessee 324 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,873 "and works as a handyman. 325 00:10:41,942 --> 00:10:44,209 "He's sent me money twice. 326 00:10:44,277 --> 00:10:46,778 "Once was on Walmart to Walmart 327 00:10:46,847 --> 00:10:48,380 "with the name Todd Brown, 328 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:51,016 "and the other time was on Cash App." 329 00:10:51,084 --> 00:10:52,851 And she gives us his Cash App name, 330 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:54,719 which is Billy [bleep]. 331 00:10:54,788 --> 00:10:56,621 "Thanks for your help! Kaycee." 332 00:10:56,690 --> 00:10:59,391 All right. Let's check out his page. 333 00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:01,860 All right, so there's a handful of photos on his Facebook. 334 00:11:01,928 --> 00:11:03,762 - His thing says he's in a relationship. 335 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:05,196 - Right, and maybe that's with her. 336 00:11:05,265 --> 00:11:06,531 - She said they're not in a relationship. 337 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:07,932 - Weird. 338 00:11:08,001 --> 00:11:09,701 As I scroll through his friends, 339 00:11:09,770 --> 00:11:11,136 I'm noticing... - A pattern. 340 00:11:11,204 --> 00:11:12,771 - They're all women. 341 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:14,105 This is crazy. 342 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:16,441 He's got 1,200 friends, and they're all women. 343 00:11:16,510 --> 00:11:19,711 This is starting to raise some additional red flags for me. 344 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:23,114 Kaycee might not be the only person Mike is talking to. 345 00:11:23,183 --> 00:11:26,518 All right, let's run some pictures here. 346 00:11:26,586 --> 00:11:29,487 Mm, uh--nothing. 347 00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:31,056 Here's another one. 348 00:11:31,124 --> 00:11:33,324 Anything there? No. 349 00:11:33,393 --> 00:11:35,093 All right, so no hits on any pics. 350 00:11:35,162 --> 00:11:37,095 - No. - Should we do a phone search? 351 00:11:37,164 --> 00:11:40,031 - We can. - Search now. 352 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:41,966 Okay. - Nada. 353 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:43,435 But it is a old number. - Right, right. 354 00:11:43,503 --> 00:11:44,469 - So we should search the new one. 355 00:11:44,538 --> 00:11:45,804 - Let's search the new one. 356 00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:47,405 [tense music] 357 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:48,740 Negative. 358 00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:50,975 Let's just see what comes up in this Cash App. 359 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,445 - Billy [bleep]. - B-I-L-L-Y. 360 00:11:53,513 --> 00:11:54,446 - [bleep] 361 00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:55,680 - Huh. 362 00:11:55,749 --> 00:11:57,415 He got a picture of a Mustang. 363 00:11:57,484 --> 00:11:58,450 - Is that the number? 364 00:11:58,518 --> 00:11:59,617 That's a different number. 365 00:11:59,686 --> 00:12:01,152 But it's a 731. 366 00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:02,787 We should search that number. 367 00:12:02,856 --> 00:12:04,222 - You're right, so now let's search this number. 368 00:12:04,291 --> 00:12:05,290 Interesting, okay. 369 00:12:05,358 --> 00:12:07,592 ♪ ♪ 370 00:12:07,661 --> 00:12:09,861 Robert Champion. 371 00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:11,463 What is that? Trenton, Tennessee. 372 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:12,764 Let's look him up. 373 00:12:12,833 --> 00:12:16,034 Robert Champion. 374 00:12:16,103 --> 00:12:18,470 - Mm! - Oh! 375 00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:20,872 - We got a hit. Who is this? 376 00:12:20,941 --> 00:12:23,007 Oh, the car! 377 00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:25,777 The Mustang! - The car. 378 00:12:25,846 --> 00:12:27,545 - This guy looks pretty young. 379 00:12:27,614 --> 00:12:29,280 Check his friends? - Yes. 380 00:12:29,349 --> 00:12:31,316 - Brown. 381 00:12:31,384 --> 00:12:33,151 Ooh, Mike Brown. [gasps] 382 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:34,686 Wait. Okay, so they're friends. 383 00:12:34,755 --> 00:12:35,854 - They're friends? 384 00:12:35,922 --> 00:12:37,155 - Or you mean, you think it could be him. 385 00:12:37,224 --> 00:12:38,456 - It could be him. 386 00:12:38,525 --> 00:12:39,691 Why is he friends with Mike Brown? 387 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,459 And this guy looks biracial. 388 00:12:41,528 --> 00:12:43,628 This could be the guy Kaycee's talking to. 389 00:12:43,697 --> 00:12:45,663 - What else is there about him here? 390 00:12:45,732 --> 00:12:46,965 He's younger, right. - Mm-hmm. 391 00:12:47,033 --> 00:12:49,501 - Oh, it says he works at Walmart. 392 00:12:49,569 --> 00:12:50,935 Bingo. 393 00:12:51,004 --> 00:12:52,237 He sent money from Walmart. - Mm-hmm. 394 00:12:52,305 --> 00:12:53,972 - And he sent money from Cash App. 395 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,340 - Right. 396 00:12:55,408 --> 00:12:56,608 - Cash App comes directly back to this guy. 397 00:12:56,676 --> 00:12:58,810 Also says he works for Walmart. 398 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:02,981 I'm seeing a lot of arrows pointing... 399 00:13:03,049 --> 00:13:04,616 - Mm-hmm. - To Robert. 400 00:13:04,684 --> 00:13:06,518 If that's even his real name. 401 00:13:06,586 --> 00:13:07,685 - Wait a second. 402 00:13:07,754 --> 00:13:09,621 In order to send money at Walmart, 403 00:13:09,689 --> 00:13:11,556 you have to show an ID presumably 404 00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:12,690 with your real name, 405 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:14,692 so Todd Michael Brown, we're assuming, 406 00:13:14,761 --> 00:13:15,693 is his real name. 407 00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:16,795 - Right. 408 00:13:16,863 --> 00:13:17,996 - So why don't we just do a search 409 00:13:18,064 --> 00:13:19,197 for Todd Michael Brown? 410 00:13:19,266 --> 00:13:20,565 - All right, let's see if we can do that. 411 00:13:20,634 --> 00:13:22,133 Search. 412 00:13:22,202 --> 00:13:24,369 Here we go. - Todd M. Brown. 413 00:13:24,437 --> 00:13:26,905 - 33, it's, like, right--the right age. 414 00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:28,006 - Right. - Trenton. 415 00:13:28,074 --> 00:13:30,041 - Robert's from Trenton. - Right. 416 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:32,477 - He says he's from Jackson, Tennessee. 417 00:13:32,546 --> 00:13:33,545 - Trenton. - Where? 418 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:34,913 - Oh, oh, okay. 419 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:37,115 So Jackson and Trenton are very close. 420 00:13:37,184 --> 00:13:38,516 - Mm-hmm. - Oh. 421 00:13:38,585 --> 00:13:40,151 - Criminal or Traffic and Bankruptcies, 422 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:41,352 why are those starred? 423 00:13:41,421 --> 00:13:43,721 - Search for digitized records. 424 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:44,923 both: Oh! 425 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:46,624 - Whoa. 426 00:13:46,693 --> 00:13:49,360 This guy's got a bunch of criminal violations 427 00:13:49,429 --> 00:13:52,931 and burglary, evading arrest, vandalism. 428 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:55,200 Whoa, this is, like, a serious rap sheet. 429 00:13:55,268 --> 00:13:56,434 - Off the grid. 430 00:13:56,503 --> 00:13:58,570 - Yeah, maybe he got in trouble. 431 00:13:58,638 --> 00:14:00,872 He's got three more aliases. 432 00:14:00,941 --> 00:14:03,408 Oh, oh, Robert Champion! - [gasps] 433 00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:05,944 - Come on! - Oh. 434 00:14:06,012 --> 00:14:08,680 - That's it, mm! - Oh. 435 00:14:08,748 --> 00:14:11,216 - Got 'em! But this kid's not 32. 436 00:14:11,284 --> 00:14:13,785 - No, he's not. - And that's what's confusing. 437 00:14:13,854 --> 00:14:14,953 - Could it be, like, his dad? 438 00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:16,688 - Maybe they're friends, maybe they're relatives, 439 00:14:16,756 --> 00:14:19,958 but somehow, Robert Champion is involved. 440 00:14:20,026 --> 00:14:21,125 - Mm-hmm. 441 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:23,294 - Might be because Robert is "Michael." 442 00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:25,530 - Robert is in there somewhere. - Yeah. 443 00:14:25,599 --> 00:14:28,066 - He's the connector of the dots. 444 00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:32,570 - I'm so conflicted. - I know. 445 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:35,173 - Because there's evidence suggesting 446 00:14:35,242 --> 00:14:37,575 that there is a Todd M. Brown... 447 00:14:37,644 --> 00:14:38,877 - Mm-hmm. 448 00:14:38,945 --> 00:14:40,945 - In Tennessee who's the right age. 449 00:14:41,014 --> 00:14:42,146 - Yeah. 450 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,082 - He has some convictions, some arrests, 451 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:46,751 and an alias of Robert Champion. 452 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:47,852 - Mm-hmm. 453 00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:49,921 - But in the Robert Facebook pics, 454 00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:51,122 he looks too young. 455 00:14:51,191 --> 00:14:53,324 - Yeah, Robert Champion seems way younger 456 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:54,425 than what we're looking for. 457 00:14:54,494 --> 00:14:55,526 - Right, too young. 458 00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:57,996 Could it be two people somehow? 459 00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,998 - I don't know. It's so weird. 460 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:04,569 - All right, here it is. 461 00:15:04,638 --> 00:15:07,605 [tense music] 462 00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:09,107 ♪ ♪ 463 00:15:09,175 --> 00:15:10,608 - Hello. - Hi. 464 00:15:10,677 --> 00:15:12,176 - Hey. 465 00:15:12,245 --> 00:15:15,680 ♪ ♪ 466 00:15:15,749 --> 00:15:18,650 Where are you at with all this now? 467 00:15:18,718 --> 00:15:21,085 - I'm excited and curious at the same time. 468 00:15:21,154 --> 00:15:23,354 - Well, we've done some research, 469 00:15:23,423 --> 00:15:25,857 so let me show you what we found. 470 00:15:25,926 --> 00:15:29,193 Okay, so we did a photo search for all the pictures of him. 471 00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:31,462 Got nothing. - Okay. 472 00:15:31,531 --> 00:15:34,232 - So we went to his Facebook page, 473 00:15:34,301 --> 00:15:35,700 and we went to his friends list. 474 00:15:35,769 --> 00:15:37,035 Have you looked through his friends at all? 475 00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:38,303 - No. 476 00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:41,472 - I started to notice a pretty clear trend. 477 00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:44,442 It is all women. 478 00:15:44,511 --> 00:15:46,477 He has 1,200 friends, and as far as I can tell, 479 00:15:46,546 --> 00:15:48,646 they're all young... 480 00:15:48,715 --> 00:15:49,914 - Women. 481 00:15:49,983 --> 00:15:52,183 - Could it be that many of these other women 482 00:15:52,252 --> 00:15:55,253 also were randomly friend requested by him, 483 00:15:55,322 --> 00:15:56,387 don't actually know him, 484 00:15:56,456 --> 00:15:58,189 but could he potentially be talking 485 00:15:58,258 --> 00:16:00,058 to some of them? 486 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:03,361 [tense music] 487 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:04,429 - Right. 488 00:16:04,497 --> 00:16:05,663 - Did you also notice 489 00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:09,067 that it says that he's in a relationship? 490 00:16:09,135 --> 00:16:11,402 - I seen that, but he tells me he's not. 491 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:14,005 - Well, I wouldn't trust anything this guy says 492 00:16:14,074 --> 00:16:15,707 'cause check this out. 493 00:16:15,775 --> 00:16:18,576 You had told us about the Cash App that you got. 494 00:16:18,645 --> 00:16:21,079 - Right. - From Billy [bleep]. 495 00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:24,315 - Right. - We went to that profile. 496 00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:27,151 His picture is a black Mustang. 497 00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:29,854 There is a phone number associated with it, 498 00:16:29,923 --> 00:16:32,357 and we searched that phone number, 499 00:16:32,425 --> 00:16:36,027 and it came back registered to Robert Champion. 500 00:16:36,096 --> 00:16:37,428 ♪ ♪ 501 00:16:37,497 --> 00:16:38,730 - Okay. 502 00:16:38,798 --> 00:16:39,897 - So we thought, okay, 503 00:16:39,966 --> 00:16:41,232 let's find out a little bit more 504 00:16:41,301 --> 00:16:43,201 about this Robert Champion person, 505 00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:45,536 see if we can find them on Facebook. 506 00:16:45,605 --> 00:16:50,408 We were able to find-- in Trenton, Tennessee, 507 00:16:50,477 --> 00:16:52,010 we found a Robert Champion. 508 00:16:52,078 --> 00:16:53,711 And what do you know, 509 00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:57,915 his banner picture is a black Mustang. 510 00:16:57,984 --> 00:17:00,218 - Whoa. - And look at where he works. 511 00:17:00,286 --> 00:17:02,453 The Walmart. [laughs] 512 00:17:02,522 --> 00:17:05,423 - Works at Walmart. 513 00:17:05,492 --> 00:17:07,558 - Hmm. - So we thought, okay. 514 00:17:07,627 --> 00:17:10,261 This felt like the first, like, solid... 515 00:17:10,330 --> 00:17:11,562 - Yeah. - Thing. 516 00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:13,531 - Okay. - So then check this out. 517 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,901 We searched through Robert's friends list for Mike. 518 00:17:16,970 --> 00:17:18,403 - And they're friends. 519 00:17:18,471 --> 00:17:21,072 - Yeah, he's friends with Mike. - Mm-hmm. 520 00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:22,640 They know each other. - They know each other. 521 00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:23,808 - Yeah. 522 00:17:23,877 --> 00:17:27,311 - But is it possible that Robert is Mike? 523 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:29,047 ♪ ♪ 524 00:17:29,115 --> 00:17:32,083 - This is crazy. 525 00:17:32,152 --> 00:17:34,385 - Think about it, this guy looks like he'd match 526 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:36,521 the voice that you've been talking to. 527 00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:38,556 First time you got money was from Walmart. 528 00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:40,958 This guy works at Walmart or did at some point. 529 00:17:41,027 --> 00:17:42,160 And then the second time... - You're right. 530 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:43,995 - It's from the Cash App that is the same-- 531 00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:45,930 It's too many coincidences. 532 00:17:45,999 --> 00:17:46,998 - Right. 533 00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:49,434 - But is Robert Champion really his name? 534 00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:52,703 Because the money transfer came from the name he gave you. 535 00:17:52,772 --> 00:17:54,138 So we just tried to find 536 00:17:54,207 --> 00:17:55,640 if there is a Todd Michael Brown, 537 00:17:55,708 --> 00:17:57,008 who that is. 538 00:17:57,077 --> 00:18:02,480 And on one site, we found a hit for Todd M. Brown. 539 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:04,515 And look at this, aliases: Robert-- 540 00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,351 - Champion. - Champion. 541 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:09,654 - Whoa. 542 00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:13,491 - But then we finally noticed, holy [bleep]. 543 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,827 In Criminal or Traffic, 544 00:18:15,895 --> 00:18:18,362 he got a bunch of arrest records 545 00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:23,167 for burglary, evading arrest, vandalism. 546 00:18:23,236 --> 00:18:26,104 You know, when you told us that he went "off the grid," 547 00:18:26,172 --> 00:18:27,705 could he have been in trouble? 548 00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:29,740 Maybe he could've been in prison. 549 00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:32,043 - That's a long list. 550 00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:34,779 - Something's going on here. - Yeah. 551 00:18:34,848 --> 00:18:38,049 - And it's not as simple as he just has a busted phone, 552 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:39,517 and he's busy with work. 553 00:18:39,586 --> 00:18:40,651 - Right. 554 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,988 - You deserve answers and basic respect 555 00:18:44,057 --> 00:18:46,057 for the questions that you're asking. 556 00:18:46,126 --> 00:18:47,825 It's basic. - Yeah. 557 00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:50,895 - ♪ Can do is cry ♪ 558 00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:52,797 That's a lot. 559 00:18:52,866 --> 00:18:55,066 - ♪ How do you love me ♪ 560 00:18:55,135 --> 00:18:59,170 ♪ So close to breaking down? ♪ 561 00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:00,872 - This doesn't make no sense. 562 00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:06,677 - ♪ You can't leave ♪ 563 00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:09,080 ♪ ♪ 564 00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:10,815 - I just don't know what to say. 565 00:19:10,884 --> 00:19:13,317 - ♪ Hooked up to your life support ♪ 566 00:19:13,386 --> 00:19:14,318 - I don't... 567 00:19:14,387 --> 00:19:16,187 - ♪ Let me go ♪ 568 00:19:17,724 --> 00:19:18,689 - Look, we haven't confirmed 569 00:19:18,758 --> 00:19:19,690 that it's not the guy in the pictures. 570 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,292 - Right. 571 00:19:21,361 --> 00:19:22,860 - All we've now found though, there's definitely a connection 572 00:19:22,929 --> 00:19:24,962 between Mike, the person you're talking to, 573 00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:26,998 and this guy Robert Champion. 574 00:19:27,066 --> 00:19:29,867 And we think they all might be the same person. 575 00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:31,469 - I'll have some questions now. 576 00:19:31,538 --> 00:19:33,404 - We obviously have a lot of questions now too. 577 00:19:33,473 --> 00:19:34,672 I think we gotta just try calling him. 578 00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:36,874 both: Right. - All right, so we'll call him. 579 00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:37,975 [line trilling] 580 00:19:38,044 --> 00:19:39,944 I don't know if he's gonna answer. 581 00:19:40,013 --> 00:19:42,246 - I'm sorry, but the person you've-- 582 00:19:42,315 --> 00:19:44,382 - All right, let me send him a text. 583 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:45,783 - [clears throat] 584 00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:47,351 - "Hey, Mike, it's Nev, from the TV show 'Catfish.' 585 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:48,653 "I'm here in Bay City with Kaycee. 586 00:19:48,721 --> 00:19:49,887 "Will you please give me a call when you get this? 587 00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:51,088 Thanks." 588 00:19:51,157 --> 00:19:53,457 What about Robert? - Call him. 589 00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:55,159 - We know his number, right? - Let's see, yeah. 590 00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:57,395 - Let's see if he'll answer us. 591 00:19:57,463 --> 00:19:58,496 [line trilling] 592 00:19:58,565 --> 00:19:59,964 Robert, I guess. 593 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:01,999 [tense music] 594 00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:03,534 Yeah, I guess-- [click] 595 00:20:04,304 --> 00:20:06,337 - Hi, is this Robert? 596 00:20:07,607 --> 00:20:08,940 - Hey, Robert, how you doing? 597 00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:12,210 My name is Nev, from "Catfish." You know the show? 598 00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:14,412 - Okay, cool, we're actually making an episode 599 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,613 of the show right now, 600 00:20:15,682 --> 00:20:18,049 and we think you're friends 601 00:20:18,117 --> 00:20:20,451 with this guy that we're trying to get in touch with 602 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,154 named Mike, or Mike Brown. 603 00:20:25,058 --> 00:20:27,358 - Like, your actual brother? 604 00:20:28,528 --> 00:20:29,660 - Half-brother, cool. 605 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:31,729 So do you know if he's in a relationship? 606 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:34,799 - But you're pretty sure he's not, like-- 607 00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:36,467 he doesn't have a girlfriend right now. 608 00:20:37,203 --> 00:20:39,570 - We're with this person that's been talking to Mike, 609 00:20:39,639 --> 00:20:45,576 and she got a Cash App payment from your Cash App. 610 00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:48,512 Can you just-- we're just trying to figure out 611 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,181 how that happened. 612 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,654 - But it didn't come from your brother? 613 00:20:56,723 --> 00:20:58,556 - So who sent that to you? 614 00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:05,763 - So you just sort of get weird Cash Apps 615 00:21:05,832 --> 00:21:07,265 and then messages that say, 616 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:09,867 "Can you please send this to this person?" 617 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:12,937 - You don't even know who's sending it to you? 618 00:21:20,747 --> 00:21:23,214 - Okay, well, we've got some questions for your brother, 619 00:21:23,283 --> 00:21:25,983 so if you don't mind, it would be really helpful 620 00:21:26,052 --> 00:21:27,551 if you could just sort of reach out. 621 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:30,021 We're just basically trying to help him meet up 622 00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:31,722 with this girl he's been talking to. 623 00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:35,760 - Oh, why's that? 624 00:21:38,698 --> 00:21:40,898 - He can text me back or call me back and you know, 625 00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:42,833 tell me, you know, if now's not a good time, 626 00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:44,468 I'd just love to hear that from him. 627 00:21:45,238 --> 00:21:46,971 - Okay, cool. Well, I appreciate it. 628 00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:50,508 - All right, you too. 629 00:21:50,576 --> 00:21:51,976 [line beeps] 630 00:21:52,045 --> 00:21:53,411 Did that sound like Mike? 631 00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:55,613 - No, that's not his voice. 632 00:21:55,682 --> 00:22:00,051 - But could that be him just doing a different voice? 633 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,352 - I don't know. 634 00:22:01,421 --> 00:22:03,521 - It feels like it could be the same person. 635 00:22:03,589 --> 00:22:06,123 The way he reacted, like, "Can't give you any information 636 00:22:06,192 --> 00:22:07,692 about why he can't meet up, but now's not a good time." 637 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,926 How do you know? 638 00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:11,028 - Let's not forget that he just randomly has 639 00:22:11,097 --> 00:22:12,763 people send him money on Cash App 640 00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:14,165 and ask him to send it to someone else, 641 00:22:14,233 --> 00:22:15,433 and he just does it? 642 00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:17,301 - Yeah, sketch, super sketch. 643 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:18,436 - He now knows that we're with you. 644 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:19,837 - Right. 645 00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,073 - We should just plan tomorrow to go to Tennessee. 646 00:22:22,141 --> 00:22:23,240 I think if we're there, 647 00:22:23,309 --> 00:22:26,110 it makes it a lot harder for him to say no. 648 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,345 - Okay. 649 00:22:27,413 --> 00:22:28,446 - 'Cause you've already come all the way... 650 00:22:28,514 --> 00:22:29,513 - Yeah, yeah. - To him. 651 00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:30,514 - So then get everything together 652 00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:31,615 that you would need. 653 00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:33,017 - I will, I will. 654 00:22:33,086 --> 00:22:34,518 - All right. 655 00:22:34,587 --> 00:22:35,820 [tense music] 656 00:22:35,888 --> 00:22:36,787 Let us know if you hear anything. 657 00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:37,855 - I will. 658 00:22:37,924 --> 00:22:38,989 - We'll see you in the morning. 659 00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:39,957 - All right. - See you in the morning. 660 00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:41,559 - Bye, guys, bye. 661 00:22:41,627 --> 00:22:43,728 - Oh, check it out. 662 00:22:43,796 --> 00:22:45,296 We got something. 663 00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:50,568 He said, "I guess I can meet if you come to Tennessee 664 00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:52,670 if this is serious..." 665 00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:55,306 Okay, we got him on the line. 666 00:22:55,375 --> 00:22:57,074 [line trilling] 667 00:22:57,143 --> 00:22:58,409 - Hello? - Kamie? 668 00:22:58,478 --> 00:23:00,945 - Yes? - I have a text from Mike. 669 00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:02,813 - No. - Yeah. 670 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:03,881 - Saying what? 671 00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:05,282 - "I'll be outside of Nashville, 672 00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:07,518 but let me figure out where to meet." 673 00:23:07,587 --> 00:23:08,986 - Let's go to Nashville. 674 00:23:09,055 --> 00:23:11,122 - Whoo, let's go! 675 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:12,089 [line trilling] 676 00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:13,491 - Hello? - Kaycee? 677 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:14,859 - Hey, guys. - Good news. 678 00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:16,127 I got a text from him. 679 00:23:16,195 --> 00:23:18,929 He responded positively to meeting in Nashville. 680 00:23:18,998 --> 00:23:20,064 - Awesome. 681 00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:21,732 - We can have a car pick you up. 682 00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:23,000 - Sounds good. 683 00:23:23,069 --> 00:23:24,168 I'm nervous because I haven't flown. 684 00:23:24,237 --> 00:23:25,503 I'm excited. - Wait, you've never-- 685 00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:27,104 - [gasps] - Been on an airplane? 686 00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:28,239 - This gonna be my first time. 687 00:23:28,307 --> 00:23:29,940 - We'll make sure it's an experience. 688 00:23:30,009 --> 00:23:31,075 - All right, I'll see you at the airport. 689 00:23:31,144 --> 00:23:33,844 [upbeat music] 690 00:23:33,913 --> 00:23:35,279 ♪ ♪ 691 00:23:35,348 --> 00:23:36,781 Hi. - What's up? 692 00:23:36,849 --> 00:23:38,482 - Just nervous. 693 00:23:38,551 --> 00:23:39,850 - Hi. 694 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:41,152 - First time--have even been to the airport before? 695 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:42,186 - No. [laughs] - Oh, my God. 696 00:23:42,255 --> 00:23:43,287 So this is an airport. - What? 697 00:23:43,356 --> 00:23:44,288 - This is what an airport looks like. 698 00:23:44,357 --> 00:23:45,389 - Did you bring your parachute? 699 00:23:45,458 --> 00:23:46,457 - Stop it. - All right. 700 00:23:46,526 --> 00:23:48,993 Here we go, into the airport. 701 00:23:49,061 --> 00:23:51,228 [upbeat music] 702 00:23:51,297 --> 00:23:53,130 - Over. [beeping] 703 00:23:53,199 --> 00:23:54,932 Thank you. - Whoo! 704 00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:56,267 - [laughs] 705 00:23:56,335 --> 00:23:57,334 - All right. 706 00:23:57,403 --> 00:23:58,335 - [indistinct] 707 00:23:58,404 --> 00:23:59,703 - Tennessee, here we come. 708 00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:03,107 - ♪ Feel it, can you feel it? ♪ 709 00:24:03,176 --> 00:24:05,643 ♪ Whoa, ha ♪ [engine roaring] 710 00:24:05,711 --> 00:24:06,710 - Here we go. 711 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:08,145 - Oh, my God. 712 00:24:08,214 --> 00:24:10,815 Oh, [bleep]. [laughs] 713 00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:12,016 - ♪ Feel it ♪ 714 00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:13,717 - Oh, my God. 715 00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:16,587 Wow! That's crazy. 716 00:24:16,656 --> 00:24:18,856 - ♪ Oh, can you feel it tonight? ♪ 717 00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:20,491 ♪ You've got me losing my cool ♪ 718 00:24:25,598 --> 00:24:27,298 - That wasn't so bad. - It wasn't. 719 00:24:27,366 --> 00:24:28,699 - Oh, we got a text. 720 00:24:28,768 --> 00:24:30,835 - What'd he say? - He said, "Hey, bro." 721 00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,504 - Bro. - "I'll be around here today." 722 00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:36,373 And then he sent an address. - An address? 723 00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:37,541 - He sent an address, and he said, 724 00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:39,910 "Don't knock on the door. Go to the barn." 725 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:41,011 - I don't know if I like that. 726 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,480 - Gonna get our bags. 727 00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:45,182 - Okay. - "See you soon." 728 00:24:45,251 --> 00:24:46,884 [groans] 729 00:24:46,953 --> 00:24:48,586 You ready to meet this guy? 730 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:49,854 - Yeah, I'm ready. 731 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:52,423 I'm nervous. [laughs] 732 00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:53,757 - So wait a second, 733 00:24:53,826 --> 00:24:56,360 is this the house and that the barn, 734 00:24:56,429 --> 00:24:58,229 or is this the house and that the barn? 735 00:24:58,297 --> 00:25:00,097 [suspenseful music] 736 00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:01,765 That's not a barn. That's a shed. 737 00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:02,900 - It's a shed. 738 00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:04,668 - That must be the barn over there. 739 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:06,937 [eerie music] 740 00:25:07,006 --> 00:25:11,041 All right, let me go check out this weird barn. 741 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:12,610 - We're gonna go explore. 742 00:25:12,678 --> 00:25:15,779 After you, please. 743 00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:18,716 It's giving "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." 744 00:25:18,784 --> 00:25:22,186 ♪ ♪ 745 00:25:22,255 --> 00:25:25,856 - The sky is getting very dark and stormy. 746 00:25:25,925 --> 00:25:30,594 I'm not really sure what's going on here. 747 00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,263 - [gasps] 748 00:25:32,331 --> 00:25:33,531 [whispering] I see somebody, I see somebody. 749 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:35,366 I saw somebody, I saw somebody. 750 00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:40,704 Nev, Nev, Nev, Nev. 751 00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:43,908 - You see someone? 752 00:25:45,311 --> 00:25:46,410 I swear. 753 00:25:46,479 --> 00:25:48,212 [dramatic music] 754 00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:49,680 [gasps] 755 00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:52,650 - All right. 756 00:25:52,718 --> 00:25:55,986 - I'm not going in there. - Hello? 757 00:25:56,055 --> 00:25:57,421 Anybody in here? 758 00:25:57,490 --> 00:26:02,960 ♪ ♪ 759 00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:04,495 Hey. - Hey. 760 00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:06,430 ♪ ♪ 761 00:26:06,499 --> 00:26:09,600 - What's up? - What's going on, man? 762 00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:11,702 - I don't know. This is all very strange. 763 00:26:11,771 --> 00:26:13,504 - Shut the [bleep] up! 764 00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:15,072 - [laughs] - What's up? 765 00:26:15,141 --> 00:26:16,240 Bring your ass out around that corner? 766 00:26:16,309 --> 00:26:17,575 Come here. [laughs] 767 00:26:17,643 --> 00:26:18,943 - Oh, my God. 768 00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:20,110 - No! 769 00:26:20,179 --> 00:26:22,346 [laughter] 770 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:26,016 - So this is Mike. 771 00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,118 - Hey. - But is that your name? 772 00:26:28,187 --> 00:26:30,154 - Yeah, my name is Todd Michael Brown. 773 00:26:30,222 --> 00:26:32,022 - Okay. - It's you. 774 00:26:32,091 --> 00:26:33,857 It's really you? 775 00:26:33,926 --> 00:26:35,125 - Yeah, it's really me. 776 00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:38,028 - [laughs] 777 00:26:38,097 --> 00:26:40,264 - Hi, what? 778 00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:41,498 [laughs] 779 00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:43,734 - I've never been more wrong in my life. 780 00:26:43,803 --> 00:26:46,303 - So this whole time that you've been talking, 781 00:26:46,372 --> 00:26:49,206 or that Kaycee's been talking to you, it's been you? 782 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:51,275 - It's been me. - And only you? 783 00:26:51,344 --> 00:26:52,876 - And only me. 784 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:56,513 - We were sure that you were full of [bleep], 785 00:26:56,582 --> 00:26:58,315 and that you were not the guy in the pictures, 786 00:26:58,384 --> 00:27:01,185 and that you could've been someone totally different, 787 00:27:01,253 --> 00:27:02,820 which is why you were avoiding meeting up, 788 00:27:02,888 --> 00:27:04,288 and you didn't want to FaceTime. 789 00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:07,057 Why not FaceTime all these months? 790 00:27:07,126 --> 00:27:08,525 - All right, when we first started talking, 791 00:27:08,594 --> 00:27:11,228 she was on my ass about that FaceTime and [bleep] right? 792 00:27:11,297 --> 00:27:12,463 She was. She was on my ass. 793 00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:13,831 "Why can't I never see you when we talk?" 794 00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:14,965 Why this, that, and the other. 795 00:27:15,034 --> 00:27:16,467 Well, I had a flip phone, and I don't think 796 00:27:16,535 --> 00:27:19,670 she always believed that [bleep], but I did. 797 00:27:19,739 --> 00:27:21,038 - Okay. 798 00:27:21,107 --> 00:27:22,373 - I didn't believe you 'cause who has a flip phone? 799 00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:23,641 - Like, all this technology and [bleep], 800 00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:25,743 like, I still knew how to use the flip phone 801 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:27,211 when I got out of prison. 802 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:28,746 You know what I'm saying, they didn't have smartphones 803 00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:29,847 before I went in. 804 00:27:29,915 --> 00:27:32,016 I've been locked up since 13 to 18, 805 00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,584 and then 18 to 26. 806 00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:36,053 Like, for real, like, I mean, like, I'm not-- 807 00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:38,555 I'm caveman status, for real, God damn it. 808 00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:39,957 [somber music] 809 00:27:40,026 --> 00:27:43,727 - And why did you never tell Kaycee about your past? 810 00:27:43,796 --> 00:27:45,262 Going to jail, it seems like it was, like, 811 00:27:45,331 --> 00:27:46,730 a big chunk of your life. 812 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,199 Like, why had you never brought that up to her? 813 00:27:49,268 --> 00:27:50,901 ♪ ♪ 814 00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:53,904 - I mean, it was... 815 00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:55,305 I don't know, it's irrelevant. 816 00:27:55,374 --> 00:27:57,007 It's the past, right? 817 00:27:57,076 --> 00:27:59,043 - The flip phone thing could have been explained 818 00:27:59,111 --> 00:28:00,244 just like that. 819 00:28:00,312 --> 00:28:01,612 This is why I have a flip phone. 820 00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:03,747 - You do have Cash App? 821 00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:06,950 - Mm-mm, I be using my brother's and my sister's. 822 00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:08,519 - The person we spoke to on the phone yesterday, 823 00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:09,653 that was your brother? 824 00:28:09,722 --> 00:28:11,722 - Robert? - Yeah, that's my brother. 825 00:28:11,791 --> 00:28:14,258 - So he was covering for you? - Yeah. 826 00:28:14,326 --> 00:28:15,893 - All right, so you're you, 827 00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:17,695 and you're not in any relationship right now? 828 00:28:17,763 --> 00:28:20,364 - No, I'm not in no relationship. 829 00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,333 So you guys have been talking for almost a year. 830 00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:26,303 Twice during that year, according to Kaycee, 831 00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:27,971 you sort of vanished. 832 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,707 What was going on? Where'd you go? 833 00:28:29,775 --> 00:28:31,408 What happened? 834 00:28:31,477 --> 00:28:35,379 - Uh, I had started talking to this other girl. 835 00:28:35,448 --> 00:28:37,281 [tense music] 836 00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:39,550 And I got a baby on the way too. 837 00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:41,118 ♪ ♪ 838 00:28:41,187 --> 00:28:42,486 It's due in October. 839 00:28:42,555 --> 00:28:44,321 - Did you know that? - Mm-mm. 840 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,790 - Wait, so hold on. 841 00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:50,561 You have a child on the way 842 00:28:50,629 --> 00:28:52,830 with a girl that you're obviously--you're not with? 843 00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:54,098 - I'm not with, no. 844 00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:56,100 ♪ ♪ 845 00:28:56,168 --> 00:28:57,334 - Was it a girl that you were dating 846 00:28:57,403 --> 00:28:59,036 or just sort of a fling? 847 00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:00,738 - It was kinda just like a little fling thing, 848 00:29:00,806 --> 00:29:03,207 and I tried to, like, make it work. 849 00:29:03,275 --> 00:29:06,710 - Wow, okay. - Yeah, I know, right? 850 00:29:06,779 --> 00:29:11,248 - So when were you gonna tell Kaycee that part? 851 00:29:11,317 --> 00:29:13,817 - I don't know. 852 00:29:13,886 --> 00:29:17,821 Like, I love Kaycee to death, but with the baby on the way, 853 00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:20,057 I just don't see myself in a relationship 854 00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:22,826 at the moment, like... 855 00:29:22,895 --> 00:29:24,595 I just don't see it. 856 00:29:24,663 --> 00:29:26,130 I know it's wrong, but-- - That's messed up. 857 00:29:26,198 --> 00:29:27,464 - But I love you to death though. 858 00:29:27,533 --> 00:29:29,099 But I love you to death though. For real, I do. 859 00:29:29,168 --> 00:29:32,503 ♪ ♪ 860 00:29:32,571 --> 00:29:34,972 [sighs] 861 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,475 - Oh, my God. 862 00:29:38,544 --> 00:29:41,345 - Well, I don't really know... 863 00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:42,646 - I don't know. 864 00:29:42,715 --> 00:29:44,815 - The extent of your conversations with Kaycee, 865 00:29:44,884 --> 00:29:47,117 but it seemed like you loved her and-- 866 00:29:47,186 --> 00:29:49,286 - I do love her, like-- 867 00:29:49,355 --> 00:29:50,888 I fell in love with her personality. 868 00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:52,122 Like, I like her. She's great. 869 00:29:52,191 --> 00:29:53,590 You know what I mean, she really is. 870 00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:54,792 She's great. 871 00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:57,694 ♪ ♪ 872 00:29:57,763 --> 00:30:00,130 - I just wasted my time. 873 00:30:00,199 --> 00:30:03,133 - I don't think that's true because we would've never known 874 00:30:03,202 --> 00:30:04,968 that it was actually him, and who knows 875 00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:07,437 when you would've ever gotten to him on FaceTime 876 00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:10,073 or anything like that had we not done this. 877 00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:11,742 Like, you wouldn't-- you would never know. 878 00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:14,244 And this guy clearly doesn't know what he wants right now. 879 00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,579 - Right. 880 00:30:15,648 --> 00:30:17,381 - So if I were you, I would wanna know from him, 881 00:30:17,449 --> 00:30:18,816 when were you gonna tell me that? 882 00:30:18,884 --> 00:30:20,484 A year and some change into talking? 883 00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:21,685 - He didn't think I would come. 884 00:30:21,754 --> 00:30:23,220 That's what his problem is. 885 00:30:23,289 --> 00:30:24,922 - You knew that, in talking to her, 886 00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:27,925 you were leading her on at least towards thinking 887 00:30:27,993 --> 00:30:30,928 that there was a romantic interest. 888 00:30:30,996 --> 00:30:32,162 - Yeah, but I-- 889 00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:33,797 - And did you never really feel that way? 890 00:30:33,866 --> 00:30:37,134 - I mean, in some ways, I did. 891 00:30:37,203 --> 00:30:40,037 Like, I mean, I got a lot of love for her. 892 00:30:40,105 --> 00:30:41,705 Like, I help her out any way I can. 893 00:30:41,774 --> 00:30:43,173 Like, I've sent the money and everything. 894 00:30:43,242 --> 00:30:47,177 You know, I do anything I can to help her, but... 895 00:30:47,246 --> 00:30:50,147 I guess, she led it on 896 00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:51,682 to more than what it is, and [bleep], 897 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,518 It could be that one day. 898 00:30:54,587 --> 00:30:56,920 - We're back. 899 00:30:56,989 --> 00:30:58,088 - [sighs, clears throat] 900 00:30:58,157 --> 00:31:01,892 [tense music] 901 00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:04,027 I don't know what to say right now. 902 00:31:04,096 --> 00:31:07,364 ♪ ♪ 903 00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:09,533 I left my kids at home for you. 904 00:31:09,602 --> 00:31:11,034 - I know. 905 00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:13,770 I know, and I'm glad to see you too. 906 00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:15,572 I really am. I wanna hug you again. 907 00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:17,241 Like, a lot. I do, but I don't-- 908 00:31:17,309 --> 00:31:18,775 I love you to death, like, who you are. 909 00:31:18,844 --> 00:31:21,612 Like, I swear, like, you're... 910 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,280 I wish every woman had your personality. 911 00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:24,648 God, I do, you know what I mean? 912 00:31:24,717 --> 00:31:26,083 [laughing] I swear I do. 913 00:31:26,151 --> 00:31:29,753 It was never a joke, you know what I mean, like... 914 00:31:29,822 --> 00:31:32,789 I can't tell you three months from now, six months from now, 915 00:31:32,858 --> 00:31:34,191 if you wanna stick around, keep talking, 916 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:35,425 hang out until then, 917 00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:37,561 I can't tell you what'll happen then. 918 00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:40,998 - But is it really fair to ask Kaycee to wait? 919 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:44,501 - I mean... 920 00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:46,570 I don't know, like, I'm glad I-- 921 00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:47,971 I'm glad you're here now. 922 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,574 I mean, it's good to meet you though. 923 00:31:50,643 --> 00:31:52,943 ♪ ♪ 924 00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:55,279 - [laughs] Well, I'm glad you're real. 925 00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:56,513 - [laughs] You're glad I'm real? 926 00:31:56,582 --> 00:31:58,115 - Yeah, not a weirdo out here. 927 00:31:58,183 --> 00:31:59,449 - [laughs] 928 00:31:59,518 --> 00:32:02,986 - I mean, I'm mad at you, but... 929 00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:06,323 - All right, look, 930 00:32:06,392 --> 00:32:09,326 she can't keep getting these mixed signals 931 00:32:09,395 --> 00:32:12,095 and keep waiting for the right time. 932 00:32:12,164 --> 00:32:14,698 So I think Kaycee needs a minute to kind of think 933 00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:17,234 about what she's now hearing and let it sink in. 934 00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:20,037 Why don't we plan on meeting back up tomorrow? 935 00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:21,838 ♪ ♪ 936 00:32:21,907 --> 00:32:23,707 - Sure. 937 00:32:23,776 --> 00:32:25,442 - All right. 938 00:32:25,511 --> 00:32:27,110 We'll see you later, Mike. 939 00:32:27,179 --> 00:32:28,712 - All right. 940 00:32:28,781 --> 00:32:30,847 Bye, Kaycee. 941 00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:33,250 - [sniffles] - Oh, boy. 942 00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:37,487 - You all right? 943 00:32:37,556 --> 00:32:39,256 - He doesn't know what he wants. 944 00:32:39,325 --> 00:32:40,958 - That's bull[bleep], and then to talk 945 00:32:41,026 --> 00:32:43,360 about things like, "Who knows what could happen." 946 00:32:43,429 --> 00:32:44,528 - Right, it's just like, 947 00:32:44,596 --> 00:32:45,829 "Don't even [bleep] go there right now." 948 00:32:45,898 --> 00:32:48,198 And I think it has more to do with what you want. 949 00:32:48,267 --> 00:32:49,766 [tense music] 950 00:32:49,835 --> 00:32:51,802 If you're hoping tomorrow that you'll go there, 951 00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:54,304 and he's gonna be like, "I wanna be with you," 952 00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:55,672 that's probably not gonna happen. 953 00:32:55,741 --> 00:32:57,040 He said he doesn't know when it's gonna happen. 954 00:32:57,109 --> 00:32:58,642 - Well, even if he does say that tomorrow, 955 00:32:58,711 --> 00:32:59,643 I wouldn't believe him. 956 00:32:59,712 --> 00:33:00,844 - Right. 957 00:33:00,913 --> 00:33:02,112 - Think about everything 958 00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:04,314 so that tomorrow when we talk to him, 959 00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:06,016 you can be clear 960 00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:08,385 about whatever direction it is you want things to go. 961 00:33:08,454 --> 00:33:09,453 - Okay. 962 00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:12,990 [knock at door] - Let's check in. 963 00:33:13,058 --> 00:33:14,725 both: Hi. - Morning. 964 00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:18,161 [soft music] 965 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:21,164 - How you feeling? - I'm okay. 966 00:33:21,233 --> 00:33:24,668 Yeah, I had some time to think on it. 967 00:33:24,737 --> 00:33:27,771 I didn't get catfished, but I did. 968 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,441 The fact that he, like, has a baby on the way, 969 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:32,709 that's big. 970 00:33:32,778 --> 00:33:34,578 Like, you don't hide that. 971 00:33:34,646 --> 00:33:37,014 - Yeah, and all the rest of it. [sighs] 972 00:33:37,082 --> 00:33:38,215 It just seems like 973 00:33:38,283 --> 00:33:39,583 you're gonna be getting the runaround 974 00:33:39,651 --> 00:33:42,719 for as long as he so chooses until he chooses you-- 975 00:33:42,788 --> 00:33:45,222 if he chooses you, and that's not fair. 976 00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:47,758 - If I were in your shoes, 977 00:33:47,826 --> 00:33:51,194 I wouldn't wanna leave until I got an answer. 978 00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:53,830 Would he like to have some sort of a relationship with you? 979 00:33:53,899 --> 00:33:55,665 - Yeah, definitely. 980 00:33:55,734 --> 00:33:57,534 I'd like to know too. 981 00:33:57,603 --> 00:33:58,568 - All right, so I think we should press him 982 00:33:58,637 --> 00:33:59,703 a little bit today. 983 00:33:59,772 --> 00:34:02,205 - I need answers before I go home, yeah. 984 00:34:02,274 --> 00:34:04,908 - Okay, then let's give him a call and head over there. 985 00:34:04,977 --> 00:34:07,411 [line trilling] 986 00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:10,280 - Hey, Mike, it's Nev. 987 00:34:10,349 --> 00:34:11,581 - We'd love to have another chance 988 00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:13,784 to sit down with you now and talk. 989 00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:16,053 - That's perfect. 990 00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:18,255 We'll meet you over there in a little bit. 991 00:34:18,323 --> 00:34:20,223 - All right, thanks, bud. 992 00:34:20,292 --> 00:34:22,726 [knock at door] 993 00:34:22,795 --> 00:34:23,794 - Hey. - Hey, what's going on? 994 00:34:23,862 --> 00:34:24,895 - Hey. - What's up? 995 00:34:24,963 --> 00:34:26,129 - Y'all wanna come in? - Yeah. 996 00:34:26,198 --> 00:34:28,999 [soft music] 997 00:34:29,068 --> 00:34:30,801 - What did you do last night? 998 00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:33,804 - Um, think. 999 00:34:33,872 --> 00:34:35,072 - What'd you think about? 1000 00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:36,640 - A lot. 1001 00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:39,242 Um... 1002 00:34:39,311 --> 00:34:40,377 I wanna apologize. 1003 00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:41,745 I ain't mean to hurt you. 1004 00:34:41,814 --> 00:34:44,314 Like, I don't know, I was just--you hit me up, 1005 00:34:44,383 --> 00:34:46,683 and I was just, like, going with the flow of everything, 1006 00:34:46,752 --> 00:34:49,086 you know, and just... 1007 00:34:49,154 --> 00:34:51,455 You know, I needed a friend at the time, 1008 00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:55,192 and you was always there, you know? 1009 00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:58,295 And I liked that. 1010 00:34:58,363 --> 00:35:00,697 - I'm kinda just hurt because you lied to me. 1011 00:35:00,766 --> 00:35:02,265 - I ain't never wanted to hurt you, 1012 00:35:02,334 --> 00:35:05,335 but at the same time, 1013 00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:07,537 I loved the way that you chased me though. 1014 00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,272 You know what I'm saying, like, I do, I like-- 1015 00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:10,807 - I was not. [laughs] 1016 00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:13,343 - What man wouldn't though, you know what I'm saying? 1017 00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:14,744 - But you said yesterday 1018 00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:17,981 something to the effect of, "You know, I don't know 1019 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:23,453 how I'll feel in three months, six months, like, we'll see." 1020 00:35:23,522 --> 00:35:26,990 - I mean, I don't-- I really don't know. 1021 00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:31,661 - Right, but I think you can say pretty definitively 1022 00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:34,598 if you ever see yourself in a relationship-- 1023 00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:37,200 in a romantic, sexual relationship 1024 00:35:37,269 --> 00:35:39,336 with Kaycee or not. 1025 00:35:39,404 --> 00:35:43,840 [tense music] 1026 00:35:43,909 --> 00:35:46,009 - Probably not. 1027 00:35:46,078 --> 00:35:49,312 ♪ ♪ 1028 00:35:49,381 --> 00:35:54,451 But I do love you, just not in that way. 1029 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,453 'Cause if I did love you in that way, 1030 00:35:56,522 --> 00:35:58,989 then there would never be this girl, that girl, 1031 00:35:59,057 --> 00:36:01,158 and a baby on the way. 1032 00:36:01,226 --> 00:36:03,226 - Right. 1033 00:36:03,295 --> 00:36:05,328 - So it's obviously not there 1034 00:36:05,397 --> 00:36:07,230 like it needs to be there, or if it was, 1035 00:36:07,299 --> 00:36:10,834 then we wouldn't be having this conversation like this. 1036 00:36:10,903 --> 00:36:13,170 You should've just been honest from the get-go 1037 00:36:13,238 --> 00:36:14,271 like you're being honest right now. 1038 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:15,472 - You right. 1039 00:36:15,541 --> 00:36:16,840 I guess I was playing with your feelings, 1040 00:36:16,909 --> 00:36:18,208 but it wasn't intentional. 1041 00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:19,276 Like, I thought you was getting something 1042 00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:20,510 out of the conversation, 1043 00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:21,778 I was getting something out of the conversation. 1044 00:36:21,847 --> 00:36:22,846 - What was I getting out of it? 1045 00:36:22,915 --> 00:36:24,981 Call it, like, companionship, whatever. 1046 00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:26,917 - She didn't have to get companionship from you, 1047 00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:28,185 as great as it's been. 1048 00:36:28,253 --> 00:36:29,786 - Well, that's what's up, but she hit me up 1049 00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:33,089 in the beginning, so I never started this. 1050 00:36:33,158 --> 00:36:34,224 So call it what you want. 1051 00:36:34,293 --> 00:36:36,693 I didn't pursue. I was pursued. 1052 00:36:36,762 --> 00:36:38,929 - But, like, you were saying things 1053 00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:42,532 that suggest that you were both attracted to her physically 1054 00:36:42,601 --> 00:36:44,568 and emotionally interested in her. 1055 00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:46,369 - I'm sorry that I led it on. 1056 00:36:46,438 --> 00:36:47,537 Yeah, I just-- 1057 00:36:47,606 --> 00:36:49,372 [bleep], here we are. 1058 00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:50,640 I apologize, 1059 00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:52,442 and ain't [bleep] else I can say about it. 1060 00:36:52,511 --> 00:36:53,543 I'm sorry. 1061 00:36:53,612 --> 00:36:57,647 ♪ ♪ 1062 00:36:57,716 --> 00:36:59,783 - This is a good place to leave it. 1063 00:36:59,851 --> 00:37:01,418 Let's head outside, and we'll say goodbye, 1064 00:37:01,486 --> 00:37:02,819 and we'll head out. 1065 00:37:02,888 --> 00:37:07,224 ♪ ♪ 1066 00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:09,292 All right, well, good to meet you. 1067 00:37:09,361 --> 00:37:10,493 - Good to meet you. 1068 00:37:10,562 --> 00:37:11,628 - Stay clean. - Good luck. 1069 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:12,629 - Stay out of trouble. - Good luck. 1070 00:37:12,698 --> 00:37:15,699 - Stay good. 1071 00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:19,769 Both? Handshake and hug, you know. 1072 00:37:19,838 --> 00:37:21,438 [sniffs] I don't know. 1073 00:37:21,506 --> 00:37:23,240 I'm sorry, I didn't mean-- 1074 00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:26,710 you know, you're still my buddy. 1075 00:37:26,778 --> 00:37:29,412 - That's it? - All right. 1076 00:37:29,481 --> 00:37:30,914 - All right. - We're good. 1077 00:37:30,983 --> 00:37:32,449 - All right, Mike. 1078 00:37:32,517 --> 00:37:34,618 - A'ight, Nev. - Thanks, Mike. 1079 00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:36,353 [soft music] 1080 00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:39,322 - ♪ Isn't it strange? ♪ 1081 00:37:39,391 --> 00:37:41,291 - How was that? 1082 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,860 - ♪ Way it's just over ♪ 1083 00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:45,762 ♪ ♪ 1084 00:37:45,831 --> 00:37:47,530 - [sobs, sniffles] 1085 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,101 ♪ ♪ 1086 00:37:51,169 --> 00:37:54,571 - ♪ No late-night calls ♪ 1087 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,474 ♪ You're not here ♪ 1088 00:37:57,542 --> 00:37:59,376 - Kaycee, you didn't do anything wrong. 1089 00:37:59,444 --> 00:38:00,610 You know that, right? 1090 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,281 - ♪ To my door ♪ 1091 00:38:04,349 --> 00:38:09,019 - I just understand, like, how you could be so careless. 1092 00:38:09,087 --> 00:38:11,087 [crying] 1093 00:38:11,156 --> 00:38:15,992 It's just [bleep] up, real [bleep] up. 1094 00:38:16,061 --> 00:38:17,527 - You're right. 1095 00:38:17,596 --> 00:38:19,729 You're 100% right. 1096 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,031 - I don't understand. 1097 00:38:21,099 --> 00:38:25,101 I just don't understand how you could 1098 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:27,570 treat somebody like that. 1099 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:34,544 ♪ ♪ 1100 00:38:34,613 --> 00:38:36,379 - ♪ But I've gotta grow up ♪ 1101 00:38:36,448 --> 00:38:38,715 - It's just real [bleep] up. 1102 00:38:38,784 --> 00:38:41,785 - ♪ No, I can't keep holding ♪ 1103 00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:44,788 - [sobbing] 1104 00:38:44,856 --> 00:38:47,090 - ♪ On to you ♪ 1105 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:48,958 - [crying] 1106 00:38:49,027 --> 00:38:51,194 - Can I come in? 1107 00:38:51,263 --> 00:38:54,531 Just see how you're feeling. 1108 00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,866 - Hurt. 1109 00:38:56,935 --> 00:39:00,236 I was in love with him, like, everything about him. 1110 00:39:00,305 --> 00:39:04,341 I accepted-- like, [bleep] your past. 1111 00:39:04,409 --> 00:39:06,843 I would've--I love you, like... 1112 00:39:06,912 --> 00:39:10,113 ♪ ♪ 1113 00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:14,551 Like, I love you, and you just don't care. 1114 00:39:14,619 --> 00:39:16,319 ♪ ♪ 1115 00:39:16,388 --> 00:39:19,089 - You got the closure that you needed at least. 1116 00:39:19,157 --> 00:39:23,526 - You needed to release this, and express that, 1117 00:39:23,595 --> 00:39:25,762 and let go of it, and I'm glad that we were able 1118 00:39:25,831 --> 00:39:30,066 to at least do that now, and I'm happy that you did. 1119 00:39:30,135 --> 00:39:32,669 It's the only way it'll, like-- - It's a mourning process. 1120 00:39:32,738 --> 00:39:34,104 Like, you have to grieve the loss 1121 00:39:34,172 --> 00:39:35,905 of that relationship, 1122 00:39:35,974 --> 00:39:37,307 friendship, whatever the [bleep] else. 1123 00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:39,042 - Yeah, it's not gonna be there no more. 1124 00:39:39,111 --> 00:39:41,811 - Yeah. 1125 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,913 - I got you, sis. - [laughs] 1126 00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:45,615 - So bring it in. 1127 00:39:45,684 --> 00:39:47,984 - We're proud of you. 1128 00:39:48,053 --> 00:39:50,253 - ♪ I wish that I ♪ 1129 00:39:50,322 --> 00:39:51,821 - [laughs] 1130 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:53,423 - Let's get you home, all right? 1131 00:39:53,492 --> 00:39:55,625 - Okay. - Let's get you home. 1132 00:39:55,694 --> 00:39:59,963 - ♪ You ♪ 1133 00:40:00,031 --> 00:40:01,297 [bell dings] 1134 00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:03,066 both: Hey! - Hi! 1135 00:40:03,135 --> 00:40:04,567 - Aw, you look happy. You look good. 1136 00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:05,635 - I am. 1137 00:40:05,704 --> 00:40:07,270 - What's going on with you? 1138 00:40:07,339 --> 00:40:09,172 - You know, staying busy with the kids and stuff. 1139 00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:10,673 - Yeah, have you talked to Mike? 1140 00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:12,208 - No, I have nothing to say to him. 1141 00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:13,410 - Good for you. - Yeah. 1142 00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:14,611 - I was sad about it at first, 1143 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,946 but you guys helping me, 1144 00:40:17,015 --> 00:40:21,017 it showed me who he really is, and, like, it's not for me. 1145 00:40:21,086 --> 00:40:22,318 - Yeah, clean break. 1146 00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:24,187 - How's the love life doing? 1147 00:40:24,256 --> 00:40:26,289 - The love life is on hold. 1148 00:40:26,358 --> 00:40:28,525 I've just been focusing on myself, 1149 00:40:28,593 --> 00:40:30,760 and it's just-- I'm all right with it now. 1150 00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:32,395 I'm happy. That's all that matters. 1151 00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:34,297 - Good, I'm happy to hear this. 1152 00:40:34,366 --> 00:40:35,832 We're excited to see what happens with you 1153 00:40:35,901 --> 00:40:36,900 in the future. 1154 00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:38,668 Send us some of that spinach dip. 1155 00:40:38,737 --> 00:40:39,936 - [laughs] - 'Cause I've been missing it. 1156 00:40:40,005 --> 00:40:41,337 None of the spinach dips I've had since 1157 00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:42,372 have hit the same. 1158 00:40:42,441 --> 00:40:43,406 - [laughs] 1159 00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:44,774 - All right, Kaycee. - Good luck. 1160 00:40:44,843 --> 00:40:46,910 Glad we were able to help clear this situation up 1161 00:40:46,978 --> 00:40:48,611 and let you kind of get on with your life. 1162 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,679 - Thank you guys. 1163 00:40:49,748 --> 00:40:51,347 - See you next time. - Bye. 1164 00:40:51,416 --> 00:40:51,581 [chill music] 1165 00:40:53,952 --> 00:40:56,519 - This girl seems so independent, ambitious. 1166 00:40:56,588 --> 00:40:57,787 I'm like, "Okay." 1167 00:40:57,856 --> 00:40:59,055 - Do you know who J-- that I'm talking about 1168 00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:00,223 when I say Jessica Fox? 1169 00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:06,229 [line beeps] - [groans] 1170 00:41:06,298 --> 00:41:07,864 - This could be her! 1171 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:08,965 - Hello. 1172 00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:10,333 - Oh, [bleep].