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I was like,
"Hey, you're just gorgeous."
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- This is crazy.
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He's got 1,200 friends,
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and they're all women.
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Kaycee might not be
the only person
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Mike is talking to.
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- It's giving
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
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- You see someone?
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[suspenseful music]
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- Hey.
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♪ ♪
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All right, we're playing,
right?
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Do you wanna go first?
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- Selections, selections.
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- Oh.
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- Ha-ha!
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Ooh.
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[laughs]
- Got it.
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Ooh, I see movement.
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[suspenseful music]
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Look at the focus.
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- [gasps] Oh, my God,
oh, my God, oh, my God.
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Oh, my God, oh, my God,
oh, my God, oh, my God.
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- Wow.
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- Are you kidding? No.
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Put that back!
- Oh!
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Oh!
- [shrieks]
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- [laughs]
- Oh, [bleep].
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- [laughing]
Yay!
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I win!
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You tried to play the player.
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You can't.
- [laughs]
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- Good sport.
[laughter]
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- All right, so here we go.
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"Hey, Nev and Kamie."
- Hey.
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- "My name is Kaycee.
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"I'm a mom of two
from Bay City, Michigan.
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"A little over a year ago,
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"I met this guy
named Mike online.
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"He friended me on Facebook,
and I messaged him
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"and told him he was gorgeous.
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He answered,
and from there we clicked."
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- ♪ Thinking
you could be the one ♪
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♪ I said it once,
got it oh so wrong ♪
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- "He's 33 years old,
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"lives in Tennessee,
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"and works as a handyman.
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"He lives far away,
but he's so hot.
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"He went from a guy
I sent a few messages to
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"to an everyday part
of my life.
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- ♪ Tell me more about you ♪
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♪ Where'd you come from? ♪
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- "I wanna be with him,
I love him,
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and he's the only one ever
on my mind."
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- Where's the but?
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- "He keeps saying
he'll come down here
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"and be with me
and take care of my kids too,
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"but he never does.
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"He still won't even videochat
with me either.
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"He says he can't
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because he only
has a flip phone."
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♪ ♪
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- Good old flip phone trick.
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- "The part
that has me worried though
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"is that as close as we are,
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"he still has ghosted me twice.
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"He stopped responding
on the phone, texts,
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and Facebook."
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- ♪ Landing you's got me ♪
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- "It really hurt my feelings.
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"But since then,
we've been fine.
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"In love.
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"But I'm exhausted
from waiting.
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I want more."
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- ♪ You're outta this world ♪
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- "I really would
love your help
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"because I
just want the truth,
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"and I don't want to lose him.
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Kaycee."
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Wow, I wanna help Kaycee
for sure.
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- Yeah.
- And I love Michigan.
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Been a while
since we were there.
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I think we should call her
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and find out some more.
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- I agree.
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[line trilling]
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- Hello, Kaycee?
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- It's Nev and Kamie
from "Catfish."
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- Hey.
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- We just read your email.
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Mike sounds like a sweet guy,
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but he also sounds
a little shady.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- Right, what's up with these
mystery disappearances
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and no explanation?
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- Flip phone.
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- Right, so before we get
into it too much,
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we should just come
to Bay City,
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and we can finally figure
this out.
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- We'll be there in no time.
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- All right.
- See you soon.
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both: Bye.
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- All right,
let's just go help Kaycee
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and hope this isn't
Michigan Impossible.
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[laughter]
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- Bless!
- ♪ I think it's time ♪
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♪ To get away ♪
- Yes!
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- All right.
Michigan, here we come, baby.
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- ♪ I think it's time
to get away ♪
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♪ What, what's the use
of money ♪
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♪ If you're only gonna
stack it? ♪
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- I feel like Kaycee
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is gonna have a wild story
to tell us,
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so I'm preparing myself
in advance.
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- ♪ I think it's time
to get away ♪
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- Bless!
- ♪ Yeah, I think it's time ♪
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♪ To get away ♪
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- Oh, wow, look at this.
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Bay City.
- Bay City.
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- Cute little town.
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All right, so Kaycee and Mike
have been talking a year.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- Almost every day with
the exception of two absences
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where Mike just disappeared.
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- Yeah.
- With no explanation.
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- Sounds suspicious.
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- ♪ I think it's time
to get away ♪
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- Bless!
- ♪ Yeah, I think it's time ♪
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- Okay, shall we?
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- Let's go.
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- Ooh.
- [gasps]
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- Keys.
- Should we let ourselves in?
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[door creaks open]
- Hi.
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- That was too easy.
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- [laughs]
- Kaycee.
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I could've just found the keys
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and come right on in.
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- [laughing]
Well, come on in, guys.
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- Good to meet you.
- You too, hi!
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- How are you?
- Good.
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- [gasps] You did not make all
of this for us.
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Look at this spread.
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- Wait, really?
- Oh, my God.
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And there's spinach dip?
- Yes.
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- I have never had
a spinach dip
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that I didn't like, okay?
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I'll be over here
with the snacks.
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Kaycee, you're so nice.
- Plates.
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- This is message to everybody
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who we go across
the entire country to help,
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a little snack goes a long way.
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- [munching]
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It's an entire fruit platter.
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- Excuse me.
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- I'm not messing with you.
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- I didn't say
that I was sharing.
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- All right, shall we?
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- Oh, yeah.
- We shall.
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- Whew.
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So you live here?
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- Yes.
- You're from the area?
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- Mm-hmm.
- And you got your kids?
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- Yep, two of 'em.
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It's just me and the boys.
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- And do you work in addition
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to taking care of your kids?
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- Yeah, I do home health aide.
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You go in people's houses.
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You either feed them,
take care of them, change them.
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Stuff like that.
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- That's a lot
on your plate then.
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- Yeah.
- You have the two kids.
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- Yeah.
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- And then you're taking care
of people all day.
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That doesn't leave a lot
of time to date.
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Take us back
to how you met Mike.
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- I met him on Facebook,
but he added me.
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And then I was like,
"Hey, you're just gorgeous."
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- Mm-hmm.
- And he wrote me back.
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And from there,
I gave him my number,
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and he called me.
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And from there,
we just clicked.
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- Oh, so you have talked
on the phone?
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- We talk every day.
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- Wow, that is a lot.
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And what was it about him
that felt like a fit?
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- We both come from hardship,
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like, his father
not being there
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and mine either,
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so he understands
where I'm coming from.
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We both want family.
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He accepts the kids,
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and he'll play
with them online.
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- Wait, really?
- Yeah.
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- How?
- Like video games.
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- No way.
- They know about him.
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- Do they know that Mike is,
like, your boyfriend?
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Is Mike your boyfriend?
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- [laughs]
I want him to be, but--
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- But you haven't...
both: Established that.
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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- 'Cause he's so far away.
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- Mm.
- Right.
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- So you haven't
made active plans
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to, like, meet yet, right?
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- We have.
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He said he would, like--
he was willing
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to take a bus up here,
and then he just disappears.
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- How long
did he disappear for?
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- I would probably say a month.
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He said his phone was broke.
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- So then you guys now
are talking again?
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- Yes.
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- Does he also have a new phone
at this point?
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- I think
he has another flip phone.
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- New number?
Same number?
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- He has a different number.
- Girl.
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- After that,
then you guys pick back up?
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- Mm-hmm.
- And everything feels good?
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- Yep, everything's fine.
We talk every day now.
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- But you said
there was a second time
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he kind of disappeared.
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- Yeah, in January
till February he did it again.
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He said he just had
to get off the grid.
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So I kind of took it like
he was going through stuff.
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- Hmm.
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- When he came back, I'm like,
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"Where have you been?
Like, are you okay?"
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And he said, "Yeah."
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He's fine, but he didn't
really give me an explanation
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why he left.
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[somber music]
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- And this is a guy
that you're still interested
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in pursuing
a relationship with?
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- That's why I want help.
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Like, he just--I just can't,
like, let him go, like...
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he always asks me
how I'm doing.
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His voice gives me comfort.
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Like, he's thoughtful,
he cares.
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- Oh.
- How much?
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- 100 the first time,
and then 25.
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- Had you asked him
for money or--
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- No.
- How does he send it to you?
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- Cash App,
and the first was Walmart.
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- Okay,
so when you picked it up,
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you saw that, like,
Mike Brown--
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- It was Todd.
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[laughs]
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Mike is his middle name,
but he goes by Mike.
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Just...
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- He must be real hot.
- He's gorgeous.
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I love his hair, his voice.
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- I need to see a picture.
- Come on.
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Kamie, why don't you sit
in the middle?
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- I don't know
what I was expecting,
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but I was not expecting this.
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- [laughs]
- Yeah, me neither.
258
00:08:24,738 --> 00:08:26,471
- He's cute.
- He is.
259
00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:28,006
[upbeat music]
260
00:08:28,075 --> 00:08:30,308
- Mm.
- Hmm.
261
00:08:30,377 --> 00:08:32,344
And can we some
of your messages?
262
00:08:32,412 --> 00:08:35,113
"Crazy, I missed you..."
Okay.
263
00:08:35,182 --> 00:08:38,216
oh, and he sent you a minute
and 27 long voice note?
264
00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:52,364
- Kaycee.
- Hmm?
265
00:08:52,432 --> 00:08:53,798
- That's
an African American male.
266
00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:54,933
- [laughing]
What?
267
00:08:55,002 --> 00:08:56,935
- Case closed.
268
00:08:57,004 --> 00:08:58,069
My work here is done.
269
00:08:58,138 --> 00:09:00,138
- [laughs]
He's white.
270
00:09:00,207 --> 00:09:01,172
- [laughing]
He's not white.
271
00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:02,841
From my vocal analysis,
272
00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:04,442
it's giving Black.
273
00:09:04,511 --> 00:09:06,545
- What if everything is him
274
00:09:06,613 --> 00:09:08,713
except he's not the guy
in the pictures?
275
00:09:08,782 --> 00:09:12,317
- I'ma be crushed 'cause I put
a lot of time into him.
276
00:09:12,386 --> 00:09:13,518
- Mm-hmm.
- You know?
277
00:09:13,587 --> 00:09:16,388
I just wanna know why, like...
278
00:09:16,456 --> 00:09:19,124
- We usually ask, like,
is there someone from your past
279
00:09:19,192 --> 00:09:21,192
or an ex that's been trying
to get back with you,
280
00:09:21,261 --> 00:09:22,961
but, like,
you would recognize his voice
281
00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:24,329
'cause you guys talk
on the phone...
282
00:09:24,398 --> 00:09:25,497
- Yeah.
- A lot.
283
00:09:25,566 --> 00:09:26,898
We're gonna figure this out.
284
00:09:26,967 --> 00:09:28,500
Email us everything,
285
00:09:28,569 --> 00:09:30,835
and let us do some research
and see what we can find.
286
00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:31,903
- Okay.
287
00:09:31,972 --> 00:09:33,705
- Well, we'll get out of here.
288
00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:36,207
- Nice to meet you guys.
289
00:09:36,276 --> 00:09:38,343
- Good to meet ya.
- You too.
290
00:09:38,412 --> 00:09:42,147
- All right.
- That is a Black man, okay?
291
00:09:42,215 --> 00:09:44,316
- Even if he was
being honest with her
292
00:09:44,384 --> 00:09:45,383
the whole time
about who he was...
293
00:09:45,452 --> 00:09:46,718
- Mm-hmm.
294
00:09:46,787 --> 00:09:48,520
- It still doesn't explain
his weird behavior.
295
00:09:48,589 --> 00:09:50,722
- She's been making
way too many excuses for him.
296
00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:52,023
- It's just so suspicious
297
00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:54,059
that he says he needs
to get off the grid.
298
00:09:54,127 --> 00:09:55,694
This is a guy
with a flip phone.
299
00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:59,297
What grid is he on?
300
00:09:59,366 --> 00:10:00,432
- It's research time.
- All right.
301
00:10:00,500 --> 00:10:02,467
Let's get into this.
302
00:10:02,536 --> 00:10:04,202
Kaycee talking to Mike.
303
00:10:04,271 --> 00:10:05,503
It's been over a year.
304
00:10:05,572 --> 00:10:07,238
Mostly great.
Talking all the time.
305
00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:08,540
He checks in
with her all the time.
306
00:10:08,609 --> 00:10:10,642
The only problem is that Mike,
307
00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:13,645
not once, but twice, has sort
of strangely disappeared.
308
00:10:13,714 --> 00:10:14,813
- Mm-hmm.
309
00:10:14,881 --> 00:10:16,881
- He did send her
125 bucks though.
310
00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:18,783
- Mm-hmm.
- But from a different name.
311
00:10:18,852 --> 00:10:21,720
It seems likely that the thing
that Mike is hiding
312
00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:23,154
is that he's not the guy
in the pictures.
313
00:10:23,223 --> 00:10:24,923
- Mike is Black.
- Uh, well...
314
00:10:24,992 --> 00:10:26,558
- Hello, all the Black people
watching...
315
00:10:26,627 --> 00:10:27,892
- Right.
- Are gonna know.
316
00:10:27,961 --> 00:10:28,893
- All right.
- [laughs]
317
00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:30,161
- Let's see if we're right.
318
00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:31,529
- Let's find Black Mike.
319
00:10:31,598 --> 00:10:32,931
- "Hey, guys, here's
what I know about Mike."
320
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,466
And here's his Facebook.
321
00:10:34,534 --> 00:10:36,668
"He has two numbers
since we've been talking.
322
00:10:36,737 --> 00:10:38,069
"The old one.
Here's the new one."
323
00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:39,971
"He lives
in Jackson, Tennessee
324
00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,873
"and works as a handyman.
325
00:10:41,942 --> 00:10:44,209
"He's sent me money twice.
326
00:10:44,277 --> 00:10:46,778
"Once was on Walmart
to Walmart
327
00:10:46,847 --> 00:10:48,380
"with the name Todd Brown,
328
00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:51,016
"and the other time
was on Cash App."
329
00:10:51,084 --> 00:10:52,851
And she gives us
his Cash App name,
330
00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:54,719
which is Billy [bleep].
331
00:10:54,788 --> 00:10:56,621
"Thanks for your help!
Kaycee."
332
00:10:56,690 --> 00:10:59,391
All right.
Let's check out his page.
333
00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:01,860
All right, so there's a handful
of photos on his Facebook.
334
00:11:01,928 --> 00:11:03,762
- His thing says
he's in a relationship.
335
00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:05,196
- Right,
and maybe that's with her.
336
00:11:05,265 --> 00:11:06,531
- She said they're not
in a relationship.
337
00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:07,932
- Weird.
338
00:11:08,001 --> 00:11:09,701
As I scroll
through his friends,
339
00:11:09,770 --> 00:11:11,136
I'm noticing...
- A pattern.
340
00:11:11,204 --> 00:11:12,771
- They're all women.
341
00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:14,105
This is crazy.
342
00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:16,441
He's got 1,200 friends,
and they're all women.
343
00:11:16,510 --> 00:11:19,711
This is starting to raise some
additional red flags for me.
344
00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:23,114
Kaycee might not be the only
person Mike is talking to.
345
00:11:23,183 --> 00:11:26,518
All right,
let's run some pictures here.
346
00:11:26,586 --> 00:11:29,487
Mm, uh--nothing.
347
00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:31,056
Here's another one.
348
00:11:31,124 --> 00:11:33,324
Anything there? No.
349
00:11:33,393 --> 00:11:35,093
All right,
so no hits on any pics.
350
00:11:35,162 --> 00:11:37,095
- No.
- Should we do a phone search?
351
00:11:37,164 --> 00:11:40,031
- We can.
- Search now.
352
00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:41,966
Okay.
- Nada.
353
00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:43,435
But it is a old number.
- Right, right.
354
00:11:43,503 --> 00:11:44,469
- So we should search
the new one.
355
00:11:44,538 --> 00:11:45,804
- Let's search the new one.
356
00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:47,405
[tense music]
357
00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:48,740
Negative.
358
00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:50,975
Let's just see what comes up
in this Cash App.
359
00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,445
- Billy [bleep].
- B-I-L-L-Y.
360
00:11:53,513 --> 00:11:54,446
- [bleep]
361
00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:55,680
- Huh.
362
00:11:55,749 --> 00:11:57,415
He got a picture of a Mustang.
363
00:11:57,484 --> 00:11:58,450
- Is that the number?
364
00:11:58,518 --> 00:11:59,617
That's a different number.
365
00:11:59,686 --> 00:12:01,152
But it's a 731.
366
00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:02,787
We should search that number.
367
00:12:02,856 --> 00:12:04,222
- You're right, so now
let's search this number.
368
00:12:04,291 --> 00:12:05,290
Interesting, okay.
369
00:12:05,358 --> 00:12:07,592
♪ ♪
370
00:12:07,661 --> 00:12:09,861
Robert Champion.
371
00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:11,463
What is that?
Trenton, Tennessee.
372
00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:12,764
Let's look him up.
373
00:12:12,833 --> 00:12:16,034
Robert Champion.
374
00:12:16,103 --> 00:12:18,470
- Mm!
- Oh!
375
00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:20,872
- We got a hit.
Who is this?
376
00:12:20,941 --> 00:12:23,007
Oh, the car!
377
00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:25,777
The Mustang!
- The car.
378
00:12:25,846 --> 00:12:27,545
- This guy looks pretty young.
379
00:12:27,614 --> 00:12:29,280
Check his friends?
- Yes.
380
00:12:29,349 --> 00:12:31,316
- Brown.
381
00:12:31,384 --> 00:12:33,151
Ooh, Mike Brown.
[gasps]
382
00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:34,686
Wait.
Okay, so they're friends.
383
00:12:34,755 --> 00:12:35,854
- They're friends?
384
00:12:35,922 --> 00:12:37,155
- Or you mean,
you think it could be him.
385
00:12:37,224 --> 00:12:38,456
- It could be him.
386
00:12:38,525 --> 00:12:39,691
Why is he friends
with Mike Brown?
387
00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,459
And this guy looks biracial.
388
00:12:41,528 --> 00:12:43,628
This could be the guy
Kaycee's talking to.
389
00:12:43,697 --> 00:12:45,663
- What else
is there about him here?
390
00:12:45,732 --> 00:12:46,965
He's younger, right.
- Mm-hmm.
391
00:12:47,033 --> 00:12:49,501
- Oh,
it says he works at Walmart.
392
00:12:49,569 --> 00:12:50,935
Bingo.
393
00:12:51,004 --> 00:12:52,237
He sent money from Walmart.
- Mm-hmm.
394
00:12:52,305 --> 00:12:53,972
- And he sent money
from Cash App.
395
00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,340
- Right.
396
00:12:55,408 --> 00:12:56,608
- Cash App comes
directly back to this guy.
397
00:12:56,676 --> 00:12:58,810
Also says he works for Walmart.
398
00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:02,981
I'm seeing a lot
of arrows pointing...
399
00:13:03,049 --> 00:13:04,616
- Mm-hmm.
- To Robert.
400
00:13:04,684 --> 00:13:06,518
If that's even his real name.
401
00:13:06,586 --> 00:13:07,685
- Wait a second.
402
00:13:07,754 --> 00:13:09,621
In order to send money
at Walmart,
403
00:13:09,689 --> 00:13:11,556
you have
to show an ID presumably
404
00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:12,690
with your real name,
405
00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:14,692
so Todd Michael Brown,
we're assuming,
406
00:13:14,761 --> 00:13:15,693
is his real name.
407
00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:16,795
- Right.
408
00:13:16,863 --> 00:13:17,996
- So why don't
we just do a search
409
00:13:18,064 --> 00:13:19,197
for Todd Michael Brown?
410
00:13:19,266 --> 00:13:20,565
- All right,
let's see if we can do that.
411
00:13:20,634 --> 00:13:22,133
Search.
412
00:13:22,202 --> 00:13:24,369
Here we go.
- Todd M. Brown.
413
00:13:24,437 --> 00:13:26,905
- 33, it's, like,
right--the right age.
414
00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:28,006
- Right.
- Trenton.
415
00:13:28,074 --> 00:13:30,041
- Robert's from Trenton.
- Right.
416
00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:32,477
- He says he's
from Jackson, Tennessee.
417
00:13:32,546 --> 00:13:33,545
- Trenton.
- Where?
418
00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:34,913
- Oh, oh, okay.
419
00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:37,115
So Jackson and Trenton
are very close.
420
00:13:37,184 --> 00:13:38,516
- Mm-hmm.
- Oh.
421
00:13:38,585 --> 00:13:40,151
- Criminal or Traffic
and Bankruptcies,
422
00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:41,352
why are those starred?
423
00:13:41,421 --> 00:13:43,721
- Search for digitized records.
424
00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:44,923
both: Oh!
425
00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:46,624
- Whoa.
426
00:13:46,693 --> 00:13:49,360
This guy's got a bunch
of criminal violations
427
00:13:49,429 --> 00:13:52,931
and burglary, evading arrest,
vandalism.
428
00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:55,200
Whoa, this is, like,
a serious rap sheet.
429
00:13:55,268 --> 00:13:56,434
- Off the grid.
430
00:13:56,503 --> 00:13:58,570
- Yeah,
maybe he got in trouble.
431
00:13:58,638 --> 00:14:00,872
He's got three more aliases.
432
00:14:00,941 --> 00:14:03,408
Oh, oh, Robert Champion!
- [gasps]
433
00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:05,944
- Come on!
- Oh.
434
00:14:06,012 --> 00:14:08,680
- That's it, mm!
- Oh.
435
00:14:08,748 --> 00:14:11,216
- Got 'em!
But this kid's not 32.
436
00:14:11,284 --> 00:14:13,785
- No, he's not.
- And that's what's confusing.
437
00:14:13,854 --> 00:14:14,953
- Could it be, like, his dad?
438
00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:16,688
- Maybe they're friends,
maybe they're relatives,
439
00:14:16,756 --> 00:14:19,958
but somehow,
Robert Champion is involved.
440
00:14:20,026 --> 00:14:21,125
- Mm-hmm.
441
00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:23,294
- Might be
because Robert is "Michael."
442
00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:25,530
- Robert is in there somewhere.
- Yeah.
443
00:14:25,599 --> 00:14:28,066
- He's the connector
of the dots.
444
00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:32,570
- I'm so conflicted.
- I know.
445
00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:35,173
- Because there's
evidence suggesting
446
00:14:35,242 --> 00:14:37,575
that there
is a Todd M. Brown...
447
00:14:37,644 --> 00:14:38,877
- Mm-hmm.
448
00:14:38,945 --> 00:14:40,945
- In Tennessee
who's the right age.
449
00:14:41,014 --> 00:14:42,146
- Yeah.
450
00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,082
- He has some convictions,
some arrests,
451
00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:46,751
and an alias
of Robert Champion.
452
00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:47,852
- Mm-hmm.
453
00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:49,921
- But in the Robert
Facebook pics,
454
00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:51,122
he looks too young.
455
00:14:51,191 --> 00:14:53,324
- Yeah, Robert Champion
seems way younger
456
00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:54,425
than what we're looking for.
457
00:14:54,494 --> 00:14:55,526
- Right, too young.
458
00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:57,996
Could it be two people somehow?
459
00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,998
- I don't know.
It's so weird.
460
00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:04,569
- All right, here it is.
461
00:15:04,638 --> 00:15:07,605
[tense music]
462
00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:09,107
♪ ♪
463
00:15:09,175 --> 00:15:10,608
- Hello.
- Hi.
464
00:15:10,677 --> 00:15:12,176
- Hey.
465
00:15:12,245 --> 00:15:15,680
♪ ♪
466
00:15:15,749 --> 00:15:18,650
Where are you at
with all this now?
467
00:15:18,718 --> 00:15:21,085
- I'm excited and curious
at the same time.
468
00:15:21,154 --> 00:15:23,354
- Well,
we've done some research,
469
00:15:23,423 --> 00:15:25,857
so let me show you
what we found.
470
00:15:25,926 --> 00:15:29,193
Okay, so we did a photo search
for all the pictures of him.
471
00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:31,462
Got nothing.
- Okay.
472
00:15:31,531 --> 00:15:34,232
- So we went
to his Facebook page,
473
00:15:34,301 --> 00:15:35,700
and we went
to his friends list.
474
00:15:35,769 --> 00:15:37,035
Have you looked
through his friends at all?
475
00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:38,303
- No.
476
00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:41,472
- I started to notice
a pretty clear trend.
477
00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:44,442
It is all women.
478
00:15:44,511 --> 00:15:46,477
He has 1,200 friends,
and as far as I can tell,
479
00:15:46,546 --> 00:15:48,646
they're all young...
480
00:15:48,715 --> 00:15:49,914
- Women.
481
00:15:49,983 --> 00:15:52,183
- Could it be
that many of these other women
482
00:15:52,252 --> 00:15:55,253
also were randomly
friend requested by him,
483
00:15:55,322 --> 00:15:56,387
don't actually know him,
484
00:15:56,456 --> 00:15:58,189
but could he potentially
be talking
485
00:15:58,258 --> 00:16:00,058
to some of them?
486
00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:03,361
[tense music]
487
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:04,429
- Right.
488
00:16:04,497 --> 00:16:05,663
- Did you also notice
489
00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:09,067
that it says
that he's in a relationship?
490
00:16:09,135 --> 00:16:11,402
- I seen that,
but he tells me he's not.
491
00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:14,005
- Well, I wouldn't trust
anything this guy says
492
00:16:14,074 --> 00:16:15,707
'cause check this out.
493
00:16:15,775 --> 00:16:18,576
You had told us about
the Cash App that you got.
494
00:16:18,645 --> 00:16:21,079
- Right.
- From Billy [bleep].
495
00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:24,315
- Right.
- We went to that profile.
496
00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:27,151
His picture is a black Mustang.
497
00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:29,854
There is a phone number
associated with it,
498
00:16:29,923 --> 00:16:32,357
and we searched
that phone number,
499
00:16:32,425 --> 00:16:36,027
and it came back registered
to Robert Champion.
500
00:16:36,096 --> 00:16:37,428
♪ ♪
501
00:16:37,497 --> 00:16:38,730
- Okay.
502
00:16:38,798 --> 00:16:39,897
- So we thought, okay,
503
00:16:39,966 --> 00:16:41,232
let's find out
a little bit more
504
00:16:41,301 --> 00:16:43,201
about this Robert Champion
person,
505
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:45,536
see if we can find them
on Facebook.
506
00:16:45,605 --> 00:16:50,408
We were able to find--
in Trenton, Tennessee,
507
00:16:50,477 --> 00:16:52,010
we found a Robert Champion.
508
00:16:52,078 --> 00:16:53,711
And what do you know,
509
00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:57,915
his banner picture
is a black Mustang.
510
00:16:57,984 --> 00:17:00,218
- Whoa.
- And look at where he works.
511
00:17:00,286 --> 00:17:02,453
The Walmart.
[laughs]
512
00:17:02,522 --> 00:17:05,423
- Works at Walmart.
513
00:17:05,492 --> 00:17:07,558
- Hmm.
- So we thought, okay.
514
00:17:07,627 --> 00:17:10,261
This felt like the first,
like, solid...
515
00:17:10,330 --> 00:17:11,562
- Yeah.
- Thing.
516
00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:13,531
- Okay.
- So then check this out.
517
00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,901
We searched through
Robert's friends list for Mike.
518
00:17:16,970 --> 00:17:18,403
- And they're friends.
519
00:17:18,471 --> 00:17:21,072
- Yeah, he's friends with Mike.
- Mm-hmm.
520
00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:22,640
They know each other.
- They know each other.
521
00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:23,808
- Yeah.
522
00:17:23,877 --> 00:17:27,311
- But is it possible
that Robert is Mike?
523
00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:29,047
♪ ♪
524
00:17:29,115 --> 00:17:32,083
- This is crazy.
525
00:17:32,152 --> 00:17:34,385
- Think about it,
this guy looks like he'd match
526
00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:36,521
the voice
that you've been talking to.
527
00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:38,556
First time you got money
was from Walmart.
528
00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:40,958
This guy works at Walmart
or did at some point.
529
00:17:41,027 --> 00:17:42,160
And then the second time...
- You're right.
530
00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:43,995
- It's from the Cash App
that is the same--
531
00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:45,930
It's too many coincidences.
532
00:17:45,999 --> 00:17:46,998
- Right.
533
00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:49,434
- But is Robert Champion
really his name?
534
00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:52,703
Because the money transfer came
from the name he gave you.
535
00:17:52,772 --> 00:17:54,138
So we just tried to find
536
00:17:54,207 --> 00:17:55,640
if there
is a Todd Michael Brown,
537
00:17:55,708 --> 00:17:57,008
who that is.
538
00:17:57,077 --> 00:18:02,480
And on one site, we found a hit
for Todd M. Brown.
539
00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:04,515
And look at this,
aliases: Robert--
540
00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,351
- Champion.
- Champion.
541
00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:09,654
- Whoa.
542
00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:13,491
- But then we finally noticed,
holy [bleep].
543
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,827
In Criminal or Traffic,
544
00:18:15,895 --> 00:18:18,362
he got a bunch
of arrest records
545
00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:23,167
for burglary, evading arrest,
vandalism.
546
00:18:23,236 --> 00:18:26,104
You know, when you told us
that he went "off the grid,"
547
00:18:26,172 --> 00:18:27,705
could he have been in trouble?
548
00:18:27,774 --> 00:18:29,740
Maybe he could've been
in prison.
549
00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:32,043
- That's a long list.
550
00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:34,779
- Something's going on here.
- Yeah.
551
00:18:34,848 --> 00:18:38,049
- And it's not as simple
as he just has a busted phone,
552
00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:39,517
and he's busy with work.
553
00:18:39,586 --> 00:18:40,651
- Right.
554
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,988
- You deserve answers
and basic respect
555
00:18:44,057 --> 00:18:46,057
for the questions
that you're asking.
556
00:18:46,126 --> 00:18:47,825
It's basic.
- Yeah.
557
00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:50,895
- ♪ Can do is cry ♪
558
00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:52,797
That's a lot.
559
00:18:52,866 --> 00:18:55,066
- ♪ How do you love me ♪
560
00:18:55,135 --> 00:18:59,170
♪ So close to breaking down? ♪
561
00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:00,872
- This doesn't make no sense.
562
00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:06,677
- ♪ You can't leave ♪
563
00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:09,080
♪ ♪
564
00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:10,815
- I just don't know what
to say.
565
00:19:10,884 --> 00:19:13,317
- ♪ Hooked up
to your life support ♪
566
00:19:13,386 --> 00:19:14,318
- I don't...
567
00:19:14,387 --> 00:19:16,187
- ♪ Let me go ♪
568
00:19:17,724 --> 00:19:18,689
- Look, we haven't confirmed
569
00:19:18,758 --> 00:19:19,690
that it's not the guy
in the pictures.
570
00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,292
- Right.
571
00:19:21,361 --> 00:19:22,860
- All we've now found though,
there's definitely a connection
572
00:19:22,929 --> 00:19:24,962
between Mike,
the person you're talking to,
573
00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:26,998
and this guy Robert Champion.
574
00:19:27,066 --> 00:19:29,867
And we think they all might be
the same person.
575
00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:31,469
- I'll have some questions now.
576
00:19:31,538 --> 00:19:33,404
- We obviously have a lot
of questions now too.
577
00:19:33,473 --> 00:19:34,672
I think we gotta just try
calling him.
578
00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:36,874
both: Right.
- All right, so we'll call him.
579
00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:37,975
[line trilling]
580
00:19:38,044 --> 00:19:39,944
I don't know
if he's gonna answer.
581
00:19:40,013 --> 00:19:42,246
- I'm sorry,
but the person you've--
582
00:19:42,315 --> 00:19:44,382
- All right,
let me send him a text.
583
00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:45,783
- [clears throat]
584
00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:47,351
- "Hey, Mike, it's Nev,
from the TV show 'Catfish.'
585
00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:48,653
"I'm here in Bay City
with Kaycee.
586
00:19:48,721 --> 00:19:49,887
"Will you please give me
a call when you get this?
587
00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:51,088
Thanks."
588
00:19:51,157 --> 00:19:53,457
What about Robert?
- Call him.
589
00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:55,159
- We know his number, right?
- Let's see, yeah.
590
00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:57,395
- Let's see if he'll answer us.
591
00:19:57,463 --> 00:19:58,496
[line trilling]
592
00:19:58,565 --> 00:19:59,964
Robert, I guess.
593
00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:01,999
[tense music]
594
00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:03,534
Yeah, I guess--
[click]
595
00:20:04,304 --> 00:20:06,337
- Hi, is this Robert?
596
00:20:07,607 --> 00:20:08,940
- Hey, Robert, how you doing?
597
00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:12,210
My name is Nev, from "Catfish."
You know the show?
598
00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:14,412
- Okay, cool, we're actually
making an episode
599
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,613
of the show right now,
600
00:20:15,682 --> 00:20:18,049
and we think you're friends
601
00:20:18,117 --> 00:20:20,451
with this guy that we're trying
to get in touch with
602
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,154
named Mike, or Mike Brown.
603
00:20:25,058 --> 00:20:27,358
- Like, your actual brother?
604
00:20:28,528 --> 00:20:29,660
- Half-brother, cool.
605
00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:31,729
So do you know
if he's in a relationship?
606
00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:34,799
- But you're pretty sure
he's not, like--
607
00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:36,467
he doesn't have a girlfriend
right now.
608
00:20:37,203 --> 00:20:39,570
- We're with this person
that's been talking to Mike,
609
00:20:39,639 --> 00:20:45,576
and she got a Cash App payment
from your Cash App.
610
00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:48,512
Can you just--
we're just trying to figure out
611
00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,181
how that happened.
612
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,654
- But it didn't come
from your brother?
613
00:20:56,723 --> 00:20:58,556
- So who sent that to you?
614
00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:05,763
- So you just sort
of get weird Cash Apps
615
00:21:05,832 --> 00:21:07,265
and then messages that say,
616
00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:09,867
"Can you please send this
to this person?"
617
00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:12,937
- You don't even know
who's sending it to you?
618
00:21:20,747 --> 00:21:23,214
- Okay, well, we've got some
questions for your brother,
619
00:21:23,283 --> 00:21:25,983
so if you don't mind,
it would be really helpful
620
00:21:26,052 --> 00:21:27,551
if you could just sort
of reach out.
621
00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:30,021
We're just basically trying
to help him meet up
622
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:31,722
with this girl
he's been talking to.
623
00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:35,760
- Oh, why's that?
624
00:21:38,698 --> 00:21:40,898
- He can text me back
or call me back and you know,
625
00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:42,833
tell me, you know,
if now's not a good time,
626
00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:44,468
I'd just love to hear that
from him.
627
00:21:45,238 --> 00:21:46,971
- Okay, cool.
Well, I appreciate it.
628
00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:50,508
- All right, you too.
629
00:21:50,576 --> 00:21:51,976
[line beeps]
630
00:21:52,045 --> 00:21:53,411
Did that sound like Mike?
631
00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:55,613
- No, that's not his voice.
632
00:21:55,682 --> 00:22:00,051
- But could that be him
just doing a different voice?
633
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,352
- I don't know.
634
00:22:01,421 --> 00:22:03,521
- It feels like
it could be the same person.
635
00:22:03,589 --> 00:22:06,123
The way he reacted, like,
"Can't give you any information
636
00:22:06,192 --> 00:22:07,692
about why he can't meet up,
but now's not a good time."
637
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,926
How do you know?
638
00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:11,028
- Let's not forget
that he just randomly has
639
00:22:11,097 --> 00:22:12,763
people send him money
on Cash App
640
00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:14,165
and ask him
to send it to someone else,
641
00:22:14,233 --> 00:22:15,433
and he just does it?
642
00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:17,301
- Yeah, sketch, super sketch.
643
00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:18,436
- He now knows
that we're with you.
644
00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:19,837
- Right.
645
00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,073
- We should just plan tomorrow
to go to Tennessee.
646
00:22:22,141 --> 00:22:23,240
I think if we're there,
647
00:22:23,309 --> 00:22:26,110
it makes it a lot harder
for him to say no.
648
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,345
- Okay.
649
00:22:27,413 --> 00:22:28,446
- 'Cause you've already
come all the way...
650
00:22:28,514 --> 00:22:29,513
- Yeah, yeah.
- To him.
651
00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:30,514
- So then get everything
together
652
00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:31,615
that you would need.
653
00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:33,017
- I will, I will.
654
00:22:33,086 --> 00:22:34,518
- All right.
655
00:22:34,587 --> 00:22:35,820
[tense music]
656
00:22:35,888 --> 00:22:36,787
Let us know
if you hear anything.
657
00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:37,855
- I will.
658
00:22:37,924 --> 00:22:38,989
- We'll see you
in the morning.
659
00:22:39,058 --> 00:22:39,957
- All right.
- See you in the morning.
660
00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:41,559
- Bye, guys, bye.
661
00:22:41,627 --> 00:22:43,728
- Oh, check it out.
662
00:22:43,796 --> 00:22:45,296
We got something.
663
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:50,568
He said, "I guess I can meet
if you come to Tennessee
664
00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:52,670
if this is serious..."
665
00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:55,306
Okay, we got him on the line.
666
00:22:55,375 --> 00:22:57,074
[line trilling]
667
00:22:57,143 --> 00:22:58,409
- Hello?
- Kamie?
668
00:22:58,478 --> 00:23:00,945
- Yes?
- I have a text from Mike.
669
00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:02,813
- No.
- Yeah.
670
00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:03,881
- Saying what?
671
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:05,282
- "I'll be outside
of Nashville,
672
00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:07,518
but let me figure out
where to meet."
673
00:23:07,587 --> 00:23:08,986
- Let's go to Nashville.
674
00:23:09,055 --> 00:23:11,122
- Whoo, let's go!
675
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:12,089
[line trilling]
676
00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:13,491
- Hello?
- Kaycee?
677
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:14,859
- Hey, guys.
- Good news.
678
00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:16,127
I got a text from him.
679
00:23:16,195 --> 00:23:18,929
He responded positively
to meeting in Nashville.
680
00:23:18,998 --> 00:23:20,064
- Awesome.
681
00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:21,732
- We can have a car
pick you up.
682
00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:23,000
- Sounds good.
683
00:23:23,069 --> 00:23:24,168
I'm nervous
because I haven't flown.
684
00:23:24,237 --> 00:23:25,503
I'm excited.
- Wait, you've never--
685
00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:27,104
- [gasps]
- Been on an airplane?
686
00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:28,239
- This gonna be my first time.
687
00:23:28,307 --> 00:23:29,940
- We'll make sure
it's an experience.
688
00:23:30,009 --> 00:23:31,075
- All right,
I'll see you at the airport.
689
00:23:31,144 --> 00:23:33,844
[upbeat music]
690
00:23:33,913 --> 00:23:35,279
♪ ♪
691
00:23:35,348 --> 00:23:36,781
Hi.
- What's up?
692
00:23:36,849 --> 00:23:38,482
- Just nervous.
693
00:23:38,551 --> 00:23:39,850
- Hi.
694
00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:41,152
- First time--have even been
to the airport before?
695
00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:42,186
- No. [laughs]
- Oh, my God.
696
00:23:42,255 --> 00:23:43,287
So this is an airport.
- What?
697
00:23:43,356 --> 00:23:44,288
- This is what
an airport looks like.
698
00:23:44,357 --> 00:23:45,389
- Did you bring your parachute?
699
00:23:45,458 --> 00:23:46,457
- Stop it.
- All right.
700
00:23:46,526 --> 00:23:48,993
Here we go, into the airport.
701
00:23:49,061 --> 00:23:51,228
[upbeat music]
702
00:23:51,297 --> 00:23:53,130
- Over.
[beeping]
703
00:23:53,199 --> 00:23:54,932
Thank you.
- Whoo!
704
00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:56,267
- [laughs]
705
00:23:56,335 --> 00:23:57,334
- All right.
706
00:23:57,403 --> 00:23:58,335
- [indistinct]
707
00:23:58,404 --> 00:23:59,703
- Tennessee, here we come.
708
00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:03,107
- ♪ Feel it,
can you feel it? ♪
709
00:24:03,176 --> 00:24:05,643
♪ Whoa, ha ♪
[engine roaring]
710
00:24:05,711 --> 00:24:06,710
- Here we go.
711
00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:08,145
- Oh, my God.
712
00:24:08,214 --> 00:24:10,815
Oh, [bleep].
[laughs]
713
00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:12,016
- ♪ Feel it ♪
714
00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:13,717
- Oh, my God.
715
00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:16,587
Wow!
That's crazy.
716
00:24:16,656 --> 00:24:18,856
- ♪ Oh,
can you feel it tonight? ♪
717
00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:20,491
♪ You've got me
losing my cool ♪
718
00:24:25,598 --> 00:24:27,298
- That wasn't so bad.
- It wasn't.
719
00:24:27,366 --> 00:24:28,699
- Oh, we got a text.
720
00:24:28,768 --> 00:24:30,835
- What'd he say?
- He said, "Hey, bro."
721
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,504
- Bro.
- "I'll be around here today."
722
00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:36,373
And then he sent an address.
- An address?
723
00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:37,541
- He sent an address,
and he said,
724
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:39,910
"Don't knock on the door.
Go to the barn."
725
00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:41,011
- I don't know if I like that.
726
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,480
- Gonna get our bags.
727
00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:45,182
- Okay.
- "See you soon."
728
00:24:45,251 --> 00:24:46,884
[groans]
729
00:24:46,953 --> 00:24:48,586
You ready to meet this guy?
730
00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:49,854
- Yeah, I'm ready.
731
00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:52,423
I'm nervous.
[laughs]
732
00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:53,757
- So wait a second,
733
00:24:53,826 --> 00:24:56,360
is this the house
and that the barn,
734
00:24:56,429 --> 00:24:58,229
or is this the house
and that the barn?
735
00:24:58,297 --> 00:25:00,097
[suspenseful music]
736
00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:01,765
That's not a barn.
That's a shed.
737
00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:02,900
- It's a shed.
738
00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:04,668
- That must be the barn
over there.
739
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:06,937
[eerie music]
740
00:25:07,006 --> 00:25:11,041
All right, let me go check out
this weird barn.
741
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:12,610
- We're gonna go explore.
742
00:25:12,678 --> 00:25:15,779
After you, please.
743
00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:18,716
It's giving
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
744
00:25:18,784 --> 00:25:22,186
♪ ♪
745
00:25:22,255 --> 00:25:25,856
- The sky is getting very dark
and stormy.
746
00:25:25,925 --> 00:25:30,594
I'm not really sure
what's going on here.
747
00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,263
- [gasps]
748
00:25:32,331 --> 00:25:33,531
[whispering]
I see somebody, I see somebody.
749
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:35,366
I saw somebody, I saw somebody.
750
00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:40,704
Nev, Nev, Nev, Nev.
751
00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:43,908
- You see someone?
752
00:25:45,311 --> 00:25:46,410
I swear.
753
00:25:46,479 --> 00:25:48,212
[dramatic music]
754
00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:49,680
[gasps]
755
00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:52,650
- All right.
756
00:25:52,718 --> 00:25:55,986
- I'm not going in there.
- Hello?
757
00:25:56,055 --> 00:25:57,421
Anybody in here?
758
00:25:57,490 --> 00:26:02,960
♪ ♪
759
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:04,495
Hey.
- Hey.
760
00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:06,430
♪ ♪
761
00:26:06,499 --> 00:26:09,600
- What's up?
- What's going on, man?
762
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:11,702
- I don't know.
This is all very strange.
763
00:26:11,771 --> 00:26:13,504
- Shut the [bleep] up!
764
00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:15,072
- [laughs]
- What's up?
765
00:26:15,141 --> 00:26:16,240
Bring your ass
out around that corner?
766
00:26:16,309 --> 00:26:17,575
Come here.
[laughs]
767
00:26:17,643 --> 00:26:18,943
- Oh, my God.
768
00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:20,110
- No!
769
00:26:20,179 --> 00:26:22,346
[laughter]
770
00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:26,016
- So this is Mike.
771
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,118
- Hey.
- But is that your name?
772
00:26:28,187 --> 00:26:30,154
- Yeah,
my name is Todd Michael Brown.
773
00:26:30,222 --> 00:26:32,022
- Okay.
- It's you.
774
00:26:32,091 --> 00:26:33,857
It's really you?
775
00:26:33,926 --> 00:26:35,125
- Yeah, it's really me.
776
00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:38,028
- [laughs]
777
00:26:38,097 --> 00:26:40,264
- Hi, what?
778
00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:41,498
[laughs]
779
00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:43,734
- I've never been more wrong
in my life.
780
00:26:43,803 --> 00:26:46,303
- So this whole time
that you've been talking,
781
00:26:46,372 --> 00:26:49,206
or that Kaycee's been talking
to you, it's been you?
782
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:51,275
- It's been me.
- And only you?
783
00:26:51,344 --> 00:26:52,876
- And only me.
784
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:56,513
- We were sure
that you were full of [bleep],
785
00:26:56,582 --> 00:26:58,315
and that you were not the guy
in the pictures,
786
00:26:58,384 --> 00:27:01,185
and that you could've been
someone totally different,
787
00:27:01,253 --> 00:27:02,820
which is why
you were avoiding meeting up,
788
00:27:02,888 --> 00:27:04,288
and you didn't want
to FaceTime.
789
00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:07,057
Why not FaceTime
all these months?
790
00:27:07,126 --> 00:27:08,525
- All right,
when we first started talking,
791
00:27:08,594 --> 00:27:11,228
she was on my ass about that
FaceTime and [bleep] right?
792
00:27:11,297 --> 00:27:12,463
She was.
She was on my ass.
793
00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:13,831
"Why can't I never see you
when we talk?"
794
00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:14,965
Why this, that,
and the other.
795
00:27:15,034 --> 00:27:16,467
Well, I had a flip phone,
and I don't think
796
00:27:16,535 --> 00:27:19,670
she always believed
that [bleep], but I did.
797
00:27:19,739 --> 00:27:21,038
- Okay.
798
00:27:21,107 --> 00:27:22,373
- I didn't believe you
'cause who has a flip phone?
799
00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:23,641
- Like, all
this technology and [bleep],
800
00:27:23,709 --> 00:27:25,743
like, I still knew how
to use the flip phone
801
00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:27,211
when I got out of prison.
802
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:28,746
You know what I'm saying,
they didn't have smartphones
803
00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:29,847
before I went in.
804
00:27:29,915 --> 00:27:32,016
I've been locked up
since 13 to 18,
805
00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,584
and then 18 to 26.
806
00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:36,053
Like, for real, like,
I mean, like, I'm not--
807
00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:38,555
I'm caveman status, for real,
God damn it.
808
00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:39,957
[somber music]
809
00:27:40,026 --> 00:27:43,727
- And why did you never
tell Kaycee about your past?
810
00:27:43,796 --> 00:27:45,262
Going to jail,
it seems like it was, like,
811
00:27:45,331 --> 00:27:46,730
a big chunk of your life.
812
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,199
Like, why had you never brought
that up to her?
813
00:27:49,268 --> 00:27:50,901
♪ ♪
814
00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:53,904
- I mean, it was...
815
00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:55,305
I don't know, it's irrelevant.
816
00:27:55,374 --> 00:27:57,007
It's the past, right?
817
00:27:57,076 --> 00:27:59,043
- The flip phone thing
could have been explained
818
00:27:59,111 --> 00:28:00,244
just like that.
819
00:28:00,312 --> 00:28:01,612
This is why
I have a flip phone.
820
00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:03,747
- You do have Cash App?
821
00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:06,950
- Mm-mm, I be using
my brother's and my sister's.
822
00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:08,519
- The person we spoke to
on the phone yesterday,
823
00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:09,653
that was your brother?
824
00:28:09,722 --> 00:28:11,722
- Robert?
- Yeah, that's my brother.
825
00:28:11,791 --> 00:28:14,258
- So he was covering for you?
- Yeah.
826
00:28:14,326 --> 00:28:15,893
- All right, so you're you,
827
00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:17,695
and you're not in any
relationship right now?
828
00:28:17,763 --> 00:28:20,364
- No,
I'm not in no relationship.
829
00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,333
So you guys have been talking
for almost a year.
830
00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:26,303
Twice during that year,
according to Kaycee,
831
00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:27,971
you sort of vanished.
832
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,707
What was going on?
Where'd you go?
833
00:28:29,775 --> 00:28:31,408
What happened?
834
00:28:31,477 --> 00:28:35,379
- Uh, I had started talking
to this other girl.
835
00:28:35,448 --> 00:28:37,281
[tense music]
836
00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:39,550
And I got a baby
on the way too.
837
00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:41,118
♪ ♪
838
00:28:41,187 --> 00:28:42,486
It's due in October.
839
00:28:42,555 --> 00:28:44,321
- Did you know that?
- Mm-mm.
840
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,790
- Wait, so hold on.
841
00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:50,561
You have a child on the way
842
00:28:50,629 --> 00:28:52,830
with a girl that you're
obviously--you're not with?
843
00:28:52,898 --> 00:28:54,098
- I'm not with, no.
844
00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:56,100
♪ ♪
845
00:28:56,168 --> 00:28:57,334
- Was it a girl
that you were dating
846
00:28:57,403 --> 00:28:59,036
or just sort of a fling?
847
00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:00,738
- It was kinda just like
a little fling thing,
848
00:29:00,806 --> 00:29:03,207
and I tried to,
like, make it work.
849
00:29:03,275 --> 00:29:06,710
- Wow, okay.
- Yeah, I know, right?
850
00:29:06,779 --> 00:29:11,248
- So when were you gonna tell
Kaycee that part?
851
00:29:11,317 --> 00:29:13,817
- I don't know.
852
00:29:13,886 --> 00:29:17,821
Like, I love Kaycee to death,
but with the baby on the way,
853
00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:20,057
I just don't see myself
in a relationship
854
00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:22,826
at the moment, like...
855
00:29:22,895 --> 00:29:24,595
I just don't see it.
856
00:29:24,663 --> 00:29:26,130
I know it's wrong, but--
- That's messed up.
857
00:29:26,198 --> 00:29:27,464
- But I love you
to death though.
858
00:29:27,533 --> 00:29:29,099
But I love you to death though.
For real, I do.
859
00:29:29,168 --> 00:29:32,503
♪ ♪
860
00:29:32,571 --> 00:29:34,972
[sighs]
861
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,475
- Oh, my God.
862
00:29:38,544 --> 00:29:41,345
- Well, I don't really know...
863
00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:42,646
- I don't know.
864
00:29:42,715 --> 00:29:44,815
- The extent of your
conversations with Kaycee,
865
00:29:44,884 --> 00:29:47,117
but it seemed like
you loved her and--
866
00:29:47,186 --> 00:29:49,286
- I do love her, like--
867
00:29:49,355 --> 00:29:50,888
I fell in love
with her personality.
868
00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:52,122
Like, I like her.
She's great.
869
00:29:52,191 --> 00:29:53,590
You know what I mean,
she really is.
870
00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:54,792
She's great.
871
00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:57,694
♪ ♪
872
00:29:57,763 --> 00:30:00,130
- I just wasted my time.
873
00:30:00,199 --> 00:30:03,133
- I don't think that's true
because we would've never known
874
00:30:03,202 --> 00:30:04,968
that it was actually him,
and who knows
875
00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:07,437
when you would've ever gotten
to him on FaceTime
876
00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:10,073
or anything like that
had we not done this.
877
00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:11,742
Like, you wouldn't--
you would never know.
878
00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:14,244
And this guy clearly doesn't
know what he wants right now.
879
00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,579
- Right.
880
00:30:15,648 --> 00:30:17,381
- So if I were you,
I would wanna know from him,
881
00:30:17,449 --> 00:30:18,816
when were you gonna
tell me that?
882
00:30:18,884 --> 00:30:20,484
A year and some change
into talking?
883
00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:21,685
- He didn't think I would come.
884
00:30:21,754 --> 00:30:23,220
That's what his problem is.
885
00:30:23,289 --> 00:30:24,922
- You knew that,
in talking to her,
886
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:27,925
you were leading her on
at least towards thinking
887
00:30:27,993 --> 00:30:30,928
that there was
a romantic interest.
888
00:30:30,996 --> 00:30:32,162
- Yeah, but I--
889
00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:33,797
- And did you never really
feel that way?
890
00:30:33,866 --> 00:30:37,134
- I mean, in some ways, I did.
891
00:30:37,203 --> 00:30:40,037
Like, I mean,
I got a lot of love for her.
892
00:30:40,105 --> 00:30:41,705
Like,
I help her out any way I can.
893
00:30:41,774 --> 00:30:43,173
Like, I've sent the money
and everything.
894
00:30:43,242 --> 00:30:47,177
You know, I do anything I can
to help her, but...
895
00:30:47,246 --> 00:30:50,147
I guess, she led it on
896
00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:51,682
to more than what it is,
and [bleep],
897
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,518
It could be that one day.
898
00:30:54,587 --> 00:30:56,920
- We're back.
899
00:30:56,989 --> 00:30:58,088
- [sighs, clears throat]
900
00:30:58,157 --> 00:31:01,892
[tense music]
901
00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:04,027
I don't know what
to say right now.
902
00:31:04,096 --> 00:31:07,364
♪ ♪
903
00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:09,533
I left my kids at home for you.
904
00:31:09,602 --> 00:31:11,034
- I know.
905
00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:13,770
I know,
and I'm glad to see you too.
906
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:15,572
I really am.
I wanna hug you again.
907
00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:17,241
Like, a lot.
I do, but I don't--
908
00:31:17,309 --> 00:31:18,775
I love you to death,
like, who you are.
909
00:31:18,844 --> 00:31:21,612
Like, I swear, like, you're...
910
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,280
I wish every woman
had your personality.
911
00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:24,648
God, I do,
you know what I mean?
912
00:31:24,717 --> 00:31:26,083
[laughing]
I swear I do.
913
00:31:26,151 --> 00:31:29,753
It was never a joke,
you know what I mean, like...
914
00:31:29,822 --> 00:31:32,789
I can't tell you three months
from now, six months from now,
915
00:31:32,858 --> 00:31:34,191
if you wanna stick around,
keep talking,
916
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:35,425
hang out until then,
917
00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:37,561
I can't tell you
what'll happen then.
918
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:40,998
- But is it really fair
to ask Kaycee to wait?
919
00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:44,501
- I mean...
920
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:46,570
I don't know,
like, I'm glad I--
921
00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:47,971
I'm glad you're here now.
922
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,574
I mean,
it's good to meet you though.
923
00:31:50,643 --> 00:31:52,943
♪ ♪
924
00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:55,279
- [laughs]
Well, I'm glad you're real.
925
00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:56,513
- [laughs]
You're glad I'm real?
926
00:31:56,582 --> 00:31:58,115
- Yeah, not a weirdo out here.
927
00:31:58,183 --> 00:31:59,449
- [laughs]
928
00:31:59,518 --> 00:32:02,986
- I mean,
I'm mad at you, but...
929
00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:06,323
- All right, look,
930
00:32:06,392 --> 00:32:09,326
she can't keep getting
these mixed signals
931
00:32:09,395 --> 00:32:12,095
and keep waiting
for the right time.
932
00:32:12,164 --> 00:32:14,698
So I think Kaycee needs
a minute to kind of think
933
00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:17,234
about what she's now hearing
and let it sink in.
934
00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:20,037
Why don't we plan
on meeting back up tomorrow?
935
00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:21,838
♪ ♪
936
00:32:21,907 --> 00:32:23,707
- Sure.
937
00:32:23,776 --> 00:32:25,442
- All right.
938
00:32:25,511 --> 00:32:27,110
We'll see you later, Mike.
939
00:32:27,179 --> 00:32:28,712
- All right.
940
00:32:28,781 --> 00:32:30,847
Bye, Kaycee.
941
00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:33,250
- [sniffles]
- Oh, boy.
942
00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:37,487
- You all right?
943
00:32:37,556 --> 00:32:39,256
- He doesn't know
what he wants.
944
00:32:39,325 --> 00:32:40,958
- That's bull[bleep],
and then to talk
945
00:32:41,026 --> 00:32:43,360
about things like,
"Who knows what could happen."
946
00:32:43,429 --> 00:32:44,528
- Right, it's just like,
947
00:32:44,596 --> 00:32:45,829
"Don't even [bleep] go there
right now."
948
00:32:45,898 --> 00:32:48,198
And I think it has more
to do with what you want.
949
00:32:48,267 --> 00:32:49,766
[tense music]
950
00:32:49,835 --> 00:32:51,802
If you're hoping tomorrow
that you'll go there,
951
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:54,304
and he's gonna be like,
"I wanna be with you,"
952
00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:55,672
that's probably
not gonna happen.
953
00:32:55,741 --> 00:32:57,040
He said he doesn't know
when it's gonna happen.
954
00:32:57,109 --> 00:32:58,642
- Well, even if he does say
that tomorrow,
955
00:32:58,711 --> 00:32:59,643
I wouldn't believe him.
956
00:32:59,712 --> 00:33:00,844
- Right.
957
00:33:00,913 --> 00:33:02,112
- Think about everything
958
00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:04,314
so that tomorrow
when we talk to him,
959
00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:06,016
you can be clear
960
00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:08,385
about whatever direction
it is you want things to go.
961
00:33:08,454 --> 00:33:09,453
- Okay.
962
00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:12,990
[knock at door]
- Let's check in.
963
00:33:13,058 --> 00:33:14,725
both: Hi.
- Morning.
964
00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:18,161
[soft music]
965
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:21,164
- How you feeling?
- I'm okay.
966
00:33:21,233 --> 00:33:24,668
Yeah, I had some time
to think on it.
967
00:33:24,737 --> 00:33:27,771
I didn't get catfished,
but I did.
968
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,441
The fact that he, like,
has a baby on the way,
969
00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:32,709
that's big.
970
00:33:32,778 --> 00:33:34,578
Like, you don't hide that.
971
00:33:34,646 --> 00:33:37,014
- Yeah, and all the rest of it.
[sighs]
972
00:33:37,082 --> 00:33:38,215
It just seems like
973
00:33:38,283 --> 00:33:39,583
you're gonna be getting
the runaround
974
00:33:39,651 --> 00:33:42,719
for as long as he so chooses
until he chooses you--
975
00:33:42,788 --> 00:33:45,222
if he chooses you,
and that's not fair.
976
00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:47,758
- If I were in your shoes,
977
00:33:47,826 --> 00:33:51,194
I wouldn't wanna leave
until I got an answer.
978
00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:53,830
Would he like to have some sort
of a relationship with you?
979
00:33:53,899 --> 00:33:55,665
- Yeah, definitely.
980
00:33:55,734 --> 00:33:57,534
I'd like to know too.
981
00:33:57,603 --> 00:33:58,568
- All right, so I think we
should press him
982
00:33:58,637 --> 00:33:59,703
a little bit today.
983
00:33:59,772 --> 00:34:02,205
- I need answers
before I go home, yeah.
984
00:34:02,274 --> 00:34:04,908
- Okay, then let's give him
a call and head over there.
985
00:34:04,977 --> 00:34:07,411
[line trilling]
986
00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:10,280
- Hey, Mike, it's Nev.
987
00:34:10,349 --> 00:34:11,581
- We'd love
to have another chance
988
00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:13,784
to sit down with you now
and talk.
989
00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:16,053
- That's perfect.
990
00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:18,255
We'll meet you over there
in a little bit.
991
00:34:18,323 --> 00:34:20,223
- All right, thanks, bud.
992
00:34:20,292 --> 00:34:22,726
[knock at door]
993
00:34:22,795 --> 00:34:23,794
- Hey.
- Hey, what's going on?
994
00:34:23,862 --> 00:34:24,895
- Hey.
- What's up?
995
00:34:24,963 --> 00:34:26,129
- Y'all wanna come in?
- Yeah.
996
00:34:26,198 --> 00:34:28,999
[soft music]
997
00:34:29,068 --> 00:34:30,801
- What did you do last night?
998
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:33,804
- Um, think.
999
00:34:33,872 --> 00:34:35,072
- What'd you think about?
1000
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:36,640
- A lot.
1001
00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:39,242
Um...
1002
00:34:39,311 --> 00:34:40,377
I wanna apologize.
1003
00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:41,745
I ain't mean to hurt you.
1004
00:34:41,814 --> 00:34:44,314
Like, I don't know,
I was just--you hit me up,
1005
00:34:44,383 --> 00:34:46,683
and I was just, like, going
with the flow of everything,
1006
00:34:46,752 --> 00:34:49,086
you know, and just...
1007
00:34:49,154 --> 00:34:51,455
You know,
I needed a friend at the time,
1008
00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:55,192
and you was always there,
you know?
1009
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:58,295
And I liked that.
1010
00:34:58,363 --> 00:35:00,697
- I'm kinda just hurt
because you lied to me.
1011
00:35:00,766 --> 00:35:02,265
- I ain't never wanted
to hurt you,
1012
00:35:02,334 --> 00:35:05,335
but at the same time,
1013
00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:07,537
I loved the way
that you chased me though.
1014
00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,272
You know what I'm saying,
like, I do, I like--
1015
00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:10,807
- I was not.
[laughs]
1016
00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:13,343
- What man wouldn't though,
you know what I'm saying?
1017
00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:14,744
- But you said yesterday
1018
00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:17,981
something to the effect of,
"You know, I don't know
1019
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:23,453
how I'll feel in three months,
six months, like, we'll see."
1020
00:35:23,522 --> 00:35:26,990
- I mean, I don't--
I really don't know.
1021
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:31,661
- Right, but I think
you can say pretty definitively
1022
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:34,598
if you ever see yourself
in a relationship--
1023
00:35:34,666 --> 00:35:37,200
in a romantic,
sexual relationship
1024
00:35:37,269 --> 00:35:39,336
with Kaycee or not.
1025
00:35:39,404 --> 00:35:43,840
[tense music]
1026
00:35:43,909 --> 00:35:46,009
- Probably not.
1027
00:35:46,078 --> 00:35:49,312
♪ ♪
1028
00:35:49,381 --> 00:35:54,451
But I do love you,
just not in that way.
1029
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,453
'Cause if I did love you
in that way,
1030
00:35:56,522 --> 00:35:58,989
then there would never be
this girl, that girl,
1031
00:35:59,057 --> 00:36:01,158
and a baby on the way.
1032
00:36:01,226 --> 00:36:03,226
- Right.
1033
00:36:03,295 --> 00:36:05,328
- So it's obviously not there
1034
00:36:05,397 --> 00:36:07,230
like it needs to be there,
or if it was,
1035
00:36:07,299 --> 00:36:10,834
then we wouldn't be having
this conversation like this.
1036
00:36:10,903 --> 00:36:13,170
You should've just been honest
from the get-go
1037
00:36:13,238 --> 00:36:14,271
like you're being honest
right now.
1038
00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:15,472
- You right.
1039
00:36:15,541 --> 00:36:16,840
I guess I was playing
with your feelings,
1040
00:36:16,909 --> 00:36:18,208
but it wasn't intentional.
1041
00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:19,276
Like, I thought
you was getting something
1042
00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:20,510
out of the conversation,
1043
00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:21,778
I was getting something
out of the conversation.
1044
00:36:21,847 --> 00:36:22,846
- What was I getting out of it?
1045
00:36:22,915 --> 00:36:24,981
Call it, like,
companionship, whatever.
1046
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:26,917
- She didn't have
to get companionship from you,
1047
00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:28,185
as great as it's been.
1048
00:36:28,253 --> 00:36:29,786
- Well, that's what's up,
but she hit me up
1049
00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:33,089
in the beginning,
so I never started this.
1050
00:36:33,158 --> 00:36:34,224
So call it what you want.
1051
00:36:34,293 --> 00:36:36,693
I didn't pursue.
I was pursued.
1052
00:36:36,762 --> 00:36:38,929
- But, like,
you were saying things
1053
00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:42,532
that suggest that you were both
attracted to her physically
1054
00:36:42,601 --> 00:36:44,568
and emotionally interested
in her.
1055
00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:46,369
- I'm sorry that I led it on.
1056
00:36:46,438 --> 00:36:47,537
Yeah, I just--
1057
00:36:47,606 --> 00:36:49,372
[bleep], here we are.
1058
00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:50,640
I apologize,
1059
00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:52,442
and ain't [bleep] else
I can say about it.
1060
00:36:52,511 --> 00:36:53,543
I'm sorry.
1061
00:36:53,612 --> 00:36:57,647
♪ ♪
1062
00:36:57,716 --> 00:36:59,783
- This is a good place
to leave it.
1063
00:36:59,851 --> 00:37:01,418
Let's head outside,
and we'll say goodbye,
1064
00:37:01,486 --> 00:37:02,819
and we'll head out.
1065
00:37:02,888 --> 00:37:07,224
♪ ♪
1066
00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:09,292
All right, well,
good to meet you.
1067
00:37:09,361 --> 00:37:10,493
- Good to meet you.
1068
00:37:10,562 --> 00:37:11,628
- Stay clean.
- Good luck.
1069
00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:12,629
- Stay out of trouble.
- Good luck.
1070
00:37:12,698 --> 00:37:15,699
- Stay good.
1071
00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:19,769
Both?
Handshake and hug, you know.
1072
00:37:19,838 --> 00:37:21,438
[sniffs]
I don't know.
1073
00:37:21,506 --> 00:37:23,240
I'm sorry, I didn't mean--
1074
00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:26,710
you know,
you're still my buddy.
1075
00:37:26,778 --> 00:37:29,412
- That's it?
- All right.
1076
00:37:29,481 --> 00:37:30,914
- All right.
- We're good.
1077
00:37:30,983 --> 00:37:32,449
- All right, Mike.
1078
00:37:32,517 --> 00:37:34,618
- A'ight, Nev.
- Thanks, Mike.
1079
00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:36,353
[soft music]
1080
00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:39,322
- ♪ Isn't it strange? ♪
1081
00:37:39,391 --> 00:37:41,291
- How was that?
1082
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,860
- ♪ Way it's just over ♪
1083
00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:45,762
♪ ♪
1084
00:37:45,831 --> 00:37:47,530
- [sobs, sniffles]
1085
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,101
♪ ♪
1086
00:37:51,169 --> 00:37:54,571
- ♪ No late-night calls ♪
1087
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,474
♪ You're not here ♪
1088
00:37:57,542 --> 00:37:59,376
- Kaycee,
you didn't do anything wrong.
1089
00:37:59,444 --> 00:38:00,610
You know that, right?
1090
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,281
- ♪ To my door ♪
1091
00:38:04,349 --> 00:38:09,019
- I just understand, like,
how you could be so careless.
1092
00:38:09,087 --> 00:38:11,087
[crying]
1093
00:38:11,156 --> 00:38:15,992
It's just [bleep] up,
real [bleep] up.
1094
00:38:16,061 --> 00:38:17,527
- You're right.
1095
00:38:17,596 --> 00:38:19,729
You're 100% right.
1096
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,031
- I don't understand.
1097
00:38:21,099 --> 00:38:25,101
I just don't understand
how you could
1098
00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:27,570
treat somebody like that.
1099
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:34,544
♪ ♪
1100
00:38:34,613 --> 00:38:36,379
- ♪ But I've gotta grow up ♪
1101
00:38:36,448 --> 00:38:38,715
- It's just real [bleep] up.
1102
00:38:38,784 --> 00:38:41,785
- ♪ No, I can't keep holding ♪
1103
00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:44,788
- [sobbing]
1104
00:38:44,856 --> 00:38:47,090
- ♪ On to you ♪
1105
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:48,958
- [crying]
1106
00:38:49,027 --> 00:38:51,194
- Can I come in?
1107
00:38:51,263 --> 00:38:54,531
Just see how you're feeling.
1108
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,866
- Hurt.
1109
00:38:56,935 --> 00:39:00,236
I was in love with him,
like, everything about him.
1110
00:39:00,305 --> 00:39:04,341
I accepted--
like, [bleep] your past.
1111
00:39:04,409 --> 00:39:06,843
I would've--I love you, like...
1112
00:39:06,912 --> 00:39:10,113
♪ ♪
1113
00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:14,551
Like, I love you,
and you just don't care.
1114
00:39:14,619 --> 00:39:16,319
♪ ♪
1115
00:39:16,388 --> 00:39:19,089
- You got the closure
that you needed at least.
1116
00:39:19,157 --> 00:39:23,526
- You needed to release this,
and express that,
1117
00:39:23,595 --> 00:39:25,762
and let go of it,
and I'm glad that we were able
1118
00:39:25,831 --> 00:39:30,066
to at least do that now,
and I'm happy that you did.
1119
00:39:30,135 --> 00:39:32,669
It's the only way it'll, like--
- It's a mourning process.
1120
00:39:32,738 --> 00:39:34,104
Like, you have
to grieve the loss
1121
00:39:34,172 --> 00:39:35,905
of that relationship,
1122
00:39:35,974 --> 00:39:37,307
friendship,
whatever the [bleep] else.
1123
00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:39,042
- Yeah, it's not
gonna be there no more.
1124
00:39:39,111 --> 00:39:41,811
- Yeah.
1125
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,913
- I got you, sis.
- [laughs]
1126
00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:45,615
- So bring it in.
1127
00:39:45,684 --> 00:39:47,984
- We're proud of you.
1128
00:39:48,053 --> 00:39:50,253
- ♪ I wish that I ♪
1129
00:39:50,322 --> 00:39:51,821
- [laughs]
1130
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:53,423
- Let's get you home,
all right?
1131
00:39:53,492 --> 00:39:55,625
- Okay.
- Let's get you home.
1132
00:39:55,694 --> 00:39:59,963
- ♪ You ♪
1133
00:40:00,031 --> 00:40:01,297
[bell dings]
1134
00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:03,066
both: Hey!
- Hi!
1135
00:40:03,135 --> 00:40:04,567
- Aw, you look happy.
You look good.
1136
00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:05,635
- I am.
1137
00:40:05,704 --> 00:40:07,270
- What's going on with you?
1138
00:40:07,339 --> 00:40:09,172
- You know, staying busy
with the kids and stuff.
1139
00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:10,673
- Yeah,
have you talked to Mike?
1140
00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:12,208
- No,
I have nothing to say to him.
1141
00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:13,410
- Good for you.
- Yeah.
1142
00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:14,611
- I was sad about it at first,
1143
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,946
but you guys helping me,
1144
00:40:17,015 --> 00:40:21,017
it showed me who he really is,
and, like, it's not for me.
1145
00:40:21,086 --> 00:40:22,318
- Yeah, clean break.
1146
00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:24,187
- How's the love life doing?
1147
00:40:24,256 --> 00:40:26,289
- The love life is on hold.
1148
00:40:26,358 --> 00:40:28,525
I've just been focusing
on myself,
1149
00:40:28,593 --> 00:40:30,760
and it's just--
I'm all right with it now.
1150
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:32,395
I'm happy.
That's all that matters.
1151
00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:34,297
- Good, I'm happy to hear this.
1152
00:40:34,366 --> 00:40:35,832
We're excited
to see what happens with you
1153
00:40:35,901 --> 00:40:36,900
in the future.
1154
00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:38,668
Send us some
of that spinach dip.
1155
00:40:38,737 --> 00:40:39,936
- [laughs]
- 'Cause I've been missing it.
1156
00:40:40,005 --> 00:40:41,337
None of the spinach dips
I've had since
1157
00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:42,372
have hit the same.
1158
00:40:42,441 --> 00:40:43,406
- [laughs]
1159
00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:44,774
- All right, Kaycee.
- Good luck.
1160
00:40:44,843 --> 00:40:46,910
Glad we were able to help
clear this situation up
1161
00:40:46,978 --> 00:40:48,611
and let you kind of get on
with your life.
1162
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,679
- Thank you guys.
1163
00:40:49,748 --> 00:40:51,347
- See you next time.
- Bye.
1164
00:40:51,416 --> 00:40:51,581
[chill music]
1165
00:40:53,952 --> 00:40:56,519
- This girl seems
so independent, ambitious.
1166
00:40:56,588 --> 00:40:57,787
I'm like, "Okay."
1167
00:40:57,856 --> 00:40:59,055
- Do you know who J--
that I'm talking about
1168
00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:00,223
when I say Jessica Fox?
1169
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:06,229
[line beeps]
- [groans]
1170
00:41:06,298 --> 00:41:07,864
- This could be her!
1171
00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:08,965
- Hello.
1172
00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:10,333
- Oh, [bleep].