1 00:00:02,135 --> 00:00:04,104 - ♪♪ MTV ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,171 --> 00:00:06,673 - I met Mike when he added me. 3 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:08,408 I was like, "Hey, you're just gorgeous." 4 00:00:08,475 --> 00:00:09,443 - This is crazy. 5 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:10,444 He's got 1,200 friends, 6 00:00:10,511 --> 00:00:11,678 and they're all women. 7 00:00:11,745 --> 00:00:12,913 Kaycee might not be the only person 8 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:14,581 Mike is talking to. 9 00:00:14,648 --> 00:00:16,683 - It's giving "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." 10 00:00:17,985 --> 00:00:19,586 - You see someone? 11 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:23,123 [suspenseful music] 12 00:00:23,190 --> 00:00:24,224 - Hey. 13 00:00:24,291 --> 00:00:27,094 ♪♪ ♪♪ 14 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,196 All right, we're playing, right? 15 00:00:29,263 --> 00:00:31,198 Do you wanna go first? 16 00:00:31,265 --> 00:00:33,634 - Selections, selections. 17 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:35,569 - Oh. 18 00:00:35,636 --> 00:00:37,738 - Ha-ha! 19 00:00:37,804 --> 00:00:39,439 Ooh. 20 00:00:39,506 --> 00:00:40,908 [laughs] - Got it. 21 00:00:40,974 --> 00:00:43,243 Ooh, I see movement. 22 00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:44,811 [suspenseful music] 23 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:46,180 Look at the focus. 24 00:00:46,246 --> 00:00:47,981 - [gasps] Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. 25 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:49,883 Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. 26 00:00:49,950 --> 00:00:51,885 - Wow. 27 00:00:51,952 --> 00:00:53,353 - Are you kidding? No. 28 00:00:53,420 --> 00:00:54,488 Put that back! - Oh! 29 00:00:54,555 --> 00:00:56,023 Oh! - [shrieks] 30 00:00:56,089 --> 00:00:57,191 - [laughs] - Oh, [bleep]. 31 00:00:57,257 --> 00:00:59,026 - [laughing] Yay! 32 00:00:59,092 --> 00:01:00,561 I win! 33 00:01:00,627 --> 00:01:01,995 You tried to play the player. 34 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:04,298 You can't. - [laughs] 35 00:01:04,364 --> 00:01:06,600 - Good sport. [laughter] 36 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:08,168 - All right, so here we go. 37 00:01:08,235 --> 00:01:10,270 "Hey, Nev and Kamie." - Hey. 38 00:01:10,337 --> 00:01:11,738 - "My name is Kaycee. 39 00:01:11,805 --> 00:01:15,542 "I'm a mom of two from Bay City, Michigan. 40 00:01:15,609 --> 00:01:17,477 "A little over a year ago, 41 00:01:17,544 --> 00:01:19,847 "I met this guy named Mike online. 42 00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:22,182 "He friended me on Facebook, and I messaged him 43 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:23,650 "and told him he was gorgeous. 44 00:01:23,717 --> 00:01:26,620 He answered, and from there we clicked." 45 00:01:26,687 --> 00:01:28,088 - ♪♪ Thinking you could be the one ♪♪ 46 00:01:28,155 --> 00:01:30,457 ♪♪ I said it once, got it oh so wrong ♪♪ 47 00:01:30,524 --> 00:01:32,125 - "He's 33 years old, 48 00:01:32,192 --> 00:01:33,760 "lives in Tennessee, 49 00:01:33,827 --> 00:01:35,395 "and works as a handyman. 50 00:01:35,462 --> 00:01:38,932 "He lives far away, but he's so hot. 51 00:01:38,999 --> 00:01:41,902 "He went from a guy I sent a few messages to 52 00:01:41,969 --> 00:01:45,138 "to an everyday part of my life. 53 00:01:45,205 --> 00:01:47,341 - ♪♪ Tell me more about you ♪♪ 54 00:01:47,407 --> 00:01:49,309 ♪♪ Where'd you come from? ♪♪ 55 00:01:49,376 --> 00:01:50,878 - "I wanna be with him, I love him, 56 00:01:50,944 --> 00:01:53,547 and he's the only one ever on my mind." 57 00:01:53,614 --> 00:01:54,882 - Where's the but? 58 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:56,517 - "He keeps saying he'll come down here 59 00:01:56,583 --> 00:01:58,986 "and be with me and take care of my kids too, 60 00:01:59,052 --> 00:02:00,420 "but he never does. 61 00:02:00,487 --> 00:02:02,623 "He still won't even videochat with me either. 62 00:02:02,689 --> 00:02:03,924 "He says he can't 63 00:02:03,991 --> 00:02:07,027 because he only has a flip phone." 64 00:02:07,094 --> 00:02:08,128 ♪♪ ♪♪ 65 00:02:08,195 --> 00:02:09,663 - Good old flip phone trick. 66 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:11,665 - "The part that has me worried though 67 00:02:11,732 --> 00:02:13,567 "is that as close as we are, 68 00:02:13,634 --> 00:02:16,103 "he still has ghosted me twice. 69 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:18,405 "He stopped responding on the phone, texts, 70 00:02:18,472 --> 00:02:19,806 and Facebook." 71 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:23,610 - ♪♪ Landing you's got me ♪♪ 72 00:02:23,677 --> 00:02:25,312 - "It really hurt my feelings. 73 00:02:25,379 --> 00:02:27,881 "But since then, we've been fine. 74 00:02:27,948 --> 00:02:29,550 "In love. 75 00:02:29,616 --> 00:02:31,451 "But I'm exhausted from waiting. 76 00:02:31,518 --> 00:02:32,619 I want more." 77 00:02:32,686 --> 00:02:34,688 - ♪♪ You're outta this world ♪♪ 78 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:35,956 - "I really would love your help 79 00:02:36,023 --> 00:02:38,225 "because I just want the truth, 80 00:02:38,292 --> 00:02:40,394 "and I don't want to lose him. 81 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:42,529 Kaycee." 82 00:02:42,596 --> 00:02:44,698 Wow, I wanna help Kaycee for sure. 83 00:02:44,765 --> 00:02:45,899 - Yeah. - And I love Michigan. 84 00:02:45,966 --> 00:02:47,234 Been a while since we were there. 85 00:02:47,301 --> 00:02:48,168 I think we should call her 86 00:02:48,235 --> 00:02:49,436 and find out some more. 87 00:02:49,503 --> 00:02:50,470 - I agree. 88 00:02:50,537 --> 00:02:52,005 [line trilling] 89 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,842 - Hello, Kaycee? 90 00:02:54,908 --> 00:02:56,977 - It's Nev and Kamie from "Catfish." 91 00:02:57,044 --> 00:02:58,612 - Hey. 92 00:02:58,679 --> 00:02:59,847 - We just read your email. 93 00:02:59,913 --> 00:03:01,515 Mike sounds like a sweet guy, 94 00:03:01,582 --> 00:03:03,116 but he also sounds a little shady. 95 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:04,918 - Mm-hmm. 96 00:03:05,886 --> 00:03:08,088 - Right, what's up with these mystery disappearances 97 00:03:08,155 --> 00:03:09,356 and no explanation? 98 00:03:09,423 --> 00:03:10,858 - Flip phone. 99 00:03:12,059 --> 00:03:14,628 - Right, so before we get into it too much, 100 00:03:14,695 --> 00:03:15,896 we should just come to Bay City, 101 00:03:15,963 --> 00:03:17,564 and we can finally figure this out. 102 00:03:20,667 --> 00:03:22,002 - We'll be there in no time. 103 00:03:23,070 --> 00:03:24,605 - All right. - See you soon. 104 00:03:25,372 --> 00:03:26,540 both: Bye. 105 00:03:26,607 --> 00:03:27,808 - All right, let's just go help Kaycee 106 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:31,144 and hope this isn't Michigan Impossible. 107 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:32,880 [laughter] 108 00:03:32,946 --> 00:03:34,047 - Bless! - ♪♪ I think it's time ♪♪ 109 00:03:34,114 --> 00:03:36,917 ♪♪ To get away ♪♪ - Yes! 110 00:03:36,984 --> 00:03:39,820 - All right. Michigan, here we come, baby. 111 00:03:39,887 --> 00:03:42,789 - ♪♪ I think it's time to get away ♪♪ 112 00:03:42,856 --> 00:03:44,324 ♪♪ What, what's the use of money ♪♪ 113 00:03:44,391 --> 00:03:46,193 ♪♪ If you're only gonna stack it? ♪♪ 114 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:49,029 - I feel like Kaycee 115 00:03:49,096 --> 00:03:51,532 is gonna have a wild story to tell us, 116 00:03:51,598 --> 00:03:55,068 so I'm preparing myself in advance. 117 00:03:55,135 --> 00:03:57,304 - ♪♪ I think it's time to get away ♪♪ 118 00:03:57,371 --> 00:03:58,672 - Bless! - ♪♪ Yeah, I think it's time ♪♪ 119 00:03:58,739 --> 00:04:01,041 ♪♪ To get away ♪♪ 120 00:04:01,108 --> 00:04:02,209 - Oh, wow, look at this. 121 00:04:02,276 --> 00:04:04,278 Bay City. - Bay City. 122 00:04:04,344 --> 00:04:06,346 - Cute little town. 123 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:10,417 All right, so Kaycee and Mike have been talking a year. 124 00:04:10,484 --> 00:04:11,952 - Mm-hmm. 125 00:04:12,019 --> 00:04:13,654 - Almost every day with the exception of two absences 126 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,355 where Mike just disappeared. 127 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:17,257 - Yeah. - With no explanation. 128 00:04:17,324 --> 00:04:18,825 - Sounds suspicious. 129 00:04:18,892 --> 00:04:20,227 - ♪♪ I think it's time to get away ♪♪ 130 00:04:20,294 --> 00:04:21,728 - Bless! - ♪♪ Yeah, I think it's time ♪♪ 131 00:04:21,795 --> 00:04:23,964 - Okay, shall we? 132 00:04:24,031 --> 00:04:26,033 - Let's go. 133 00:04:28,735 --> 00:04:29,970 - Ooh. - [gasps] 134 00:04:30,037 --> 00:04:31,772 - Keys. - Should we let ourselves in? 135 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,407 [door creaks open] - Hi. 136 00:04:33,473 --> 00:04:34,641 - That was too easy. 137 00:04:34,708 --> 00:04:35,843 - [laughs] - Kaycee. 138 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:37,311 I could've just found the keys 139 00:04:37,377 --> 00:04:39,680 and come right on in. 140 00:04:39,746 --> 00:04:41,448 - [laughing] Well, come on in, guys. 141 00:04:41,515 --> 00:04:43,617 - Good to meet you. - You too, hi! 142 00:04:43,684 --> 00:04:45,118 - How are you? - Good. 143 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:48,188 - [gasps] You did not make all of this for us. 144 00:04:48,255 --> 00:04:49,423 Look at this spread. 145 00:04:49,489 --> 00:04:51,024 - Wait, really? - Oh, my God. 146 00:04:51,091 --> 00:04:52,759 And there's spinach dip? - Yes. 147 00:04:52,826 --> 00:04:53,794 - I have never had a spinach dip 148 00:04:53,861 --> 00:04:55,028 that I didn't like, okay? 149 00:04:55,095 --> 00:04:56,964 I'll be over here with the snacks. 150 00:04:57,030 --> 00:04:58,799 Kaycee, you're so nice. - Plates. 151 00:04:58,866 --> 00:05:00,601 - This is message to everybody 152 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:04,338 who we go across the entire country to help, 153 00:05:04,404 --> 00:05:06,139 a little snack goes a long way. 154 00:05:06,206 --> 00:05:07,508 - [munching] 155 00:05:07,574 --> 00:05:09,076 It's an entire fruit platter. 156 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:10,377 - Excuse me. 157 00:05:10,444 --> 00:05:11,545 - I'm not messing with you. 158 00:05:11,612 --> 00:05:13,313 - I didn't say that I was sharing. 159 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:15,382 - All right, shall we? 160 00:05:15,449 --> 00:05:16,650 - Oh, yeah. - We shall. 161 00:05:16,717 --> 00:05:19,152 - Whew. 162 00:05:19,219 --> 00:05:21,622 So you live here? 163 00:05:21,688 --> 00:05:23,023 - Yes. - You're from the area? 164 00:05:23,090 --> 00:05:26,159 - Mm-hmm. - And you got your kids? 165 00:05:26,226 --> 00:05:27,294 - Yep, two of 'em. 166 00:05:27,361 --> 00:05:28,395 It's just me and the boys. 167 00:05:28,462 --> 00:05:29,596 - And do you work in addition 168 00:05:29,663 --> 00:05:30,597 to taking care of your kids? 169 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:31,832 - Yeah, I do home health aide. 170 00:05:31,899 --> 00:05:34,268 You go in people's houses. 171 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:36,637 You either feed them, take care of them, change them. 172 00:05:36,703 --> 00:05:37,871 Stuff like that. 173 00:05:37,938 --> 00:05:38,939 - That's a lot on your plate then. 174 00:05:39,006 --> 00:05:40,073 - Yeah. - You have the two kids. 175 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:41,475 - Yeah. 176 00:05:41,542 --> 00:05:42,609 - And then you're taking care of people all day. 177 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:44,578 That doesn't leave a lot of time to date. 178 00:05:44,645 --> 00:05:47,247 Take us back to how you met Mike. 179 00:05:47,314 --> 00:05:49,583 - I met him on Facebook, but he added me. 180 00:05:49,650 --> 00:05:52,152 And then I was like, "Hey, you're just gorgeous." 181 00:05:52,219 --> 00:05:54,054 - Mm-hmm. - And he wrote me back. 182 00:05:54,121 --> 00:05:56,356 And from there, I gave him my number, 183 00:05:56,423 --> 00:05:57,491 and he called me. 184 00:05:57,558 --> 00:05:59,626 And from there, we just clicked. 185 00:05:59,693 --> 00:06:00,627 - Oh, so you have talked on the phone? 186 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:01,828 - We talk every day. 187 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:03,797 - Wow, that is a lot. 188 00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:06,867 And what was it about him that felt like a fit? 189 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:09,736 - We both come from hardship, 190 00:06:09,803 --> 00:06:11,438 like, his father not being there 191 00:06:11,505 --> 00:06:13,106 and mine either, 192 00:06:13,173 --> 00:06:15,642 so he understands where I'm coming from. 193 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:17,177 We both want family. 194 00:06:17,244 --> 00:06:18,779 He accepts the kids, 195 00:06:18,846 --> 00:06:21,148 and he'll play with them online. 196 00:06:21,215 --> 00:06:22,516 - Wait, really? - Yeah. 197 00:06:22,583 --> 00:06:24,618 - How? - Like video games. 198 00:06:24,685 --> 00:06:26,286 - No way. - They know about him. 199 00:06:26,353 --> 00:06:28,355 - Do they know that Mike is, like, your boyfriend? 200 00:06:28,422 --> 00:06:29,790 Is Mike your boyfriend? 201 00:06:29,857 --> 00:06:31,859 - [laughs] I want him to be, but-- 202 00:06:31,925 --> 00:06:33,894 - But you haven't... both: Established that. 203 00:06:33,961 --> 00:06:35,495 - Yeah. - Okay. 204 00:06:35,562 --> 00:06:36,630 - 'Cause he's so far away. 205 00:06:36,697 --> 00:06:38,165 - Mm. - Right. 206 00:06:38,232 --> 00:06:40,767 - So you haven't made active plans 207 00:06:40,834 --> 00:06:42,769 to, like, meet yet, right? 208 00:06:42,836 --> 00:06:44,238 - We have. 209 00:06:44,304 --> 00:06:46,106 He said he would, like-- he was willing 210 00:06:46,173 --> 00:06:51,011 to take a bus up here, and then he just disappears. 211 00:06:51,078 --> 00:06:52,679 - How long did he disappear for? 212 00:06:52,746 --> 00:06:54,047 - I would probably say a month. 213 00:06:54,114 --> 00:06:55,382 He said his phone was broke. 214 00:06:55,449 --> 00:06:57,150 - So then you guys now are talking again? 215 00:06:57,217 --> 00:06:58,519 - Yes. 216 00:06:58,585 --> 00:07:00,053 - Does he also have a new phone at this point? 217 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,222 - I think he has another flip phone. 218 00:07:02,289 --> 00:07:04,791 - New number? Same number? 219 00:07:04,858 --> 00:07:07,394 - He has a different number. - Girl. 220 00:07:07,461 --> 00:07:09,630 - After that, then you guys pick back up? 221 00:07:09,696 --> 00:07:11,265 - Mm-hmm. - And everything feels good? 222 00:07:11,331 --> 00:07:13,901 - Yep, everything's fine. We talk every day now. 223 00:07:13,967 --> 00:07:15,769 - But you said there was a second time 224 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:17,171 he kind of disappeared. 225 00:07:17,237 --> 00:07:20,073 - Yeah, in January till February he did it again. 226 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:22,409 He said he just had to get off the grid. 227 00:07:22,476 --> 00:07:25,445 So I kind of took it like he was going through stuff. 228 00:07:25,512 --> 00:07:26,680 - Hmm. 229 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:28,182 - When he came back, I'm like, 230 00:07:28,248 --> 00:07:30,784 "Where have you been? Like, are you okay?" 231 00:07:30,851 --> 00:07:33,086 And he said, "Yeah." 232 00:07:33,153 --> 00:07:35,422 He's fine, but he didn't really give me an explanation 233 00:07:35,489 --> 00:07:36,790 why he left. 234 00:07:36,857 --> 00:07:38,425 [somber music] 235 00:07:38,492 --> 00:07:40,093 - And this is a guy that you're still interested 236 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,461 in pursuing a relationship with? 237 00:07:41,528 --> 00:07:42,930 - That's why I want help. 238 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:46,433 Like, he just--I just can't, like, let him go, like... 239 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:49,136 he always asks me how I'm doing. 240 00:07:49,203 --> 00:07:52,072 His voice gives me comfort. 241 00:07:52,139 --> 00:07:54,174 Like, he's thoughtful, he cares. 242 00:07:55,843 --> 00:07:57,244 - Oh. - How much? 243 00:07:57,311 --> 00:07:59,746 - 100 the first time, and then 25. 244 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:01,048 - Had you asked him for money or-- 245 00:08:01,114 --> 00:08:02,516 - No. - How does he send it to you? 246 00:08:02,583 --> 00:08:05,152 - Cash App, and the first was Walmart. 247 00:08:05,219 --> 00:08:06,386 - Okay, so when you picked it up, 248 00:08:06,453 --> 00:08:08,822 you saw that, like, Mike Brown-- 249 00:08:08,889 --> 00:08:11,124 - It was Todd. 250 00:08:11,191 --> 00:08:12,793 [laughs] 251 00:08:12,860 --> 00:08:15,262 Mike is his middle name, but he goes by Mike. 252 00:08:15,329 --> 00:08:16,430 Just... 253 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:18,665 - He must be real hot. - He's gorgeous. 254 00:08:18,732 --> 00:08:20,834 I love his hair, his voice. 255 00:08:20,901 --> 00:08:22,102 - I need to see a picture. - Come on. 256 00:08:22,169 --> 00:08:24,838 Kamie, why don't you sit in the middle? 257 00:08:24,905 --> 00:08:26,073 - I don't know what I was expecting, 258 00:08:26,139 --> 00:08:27,808 but I was not expecting this. 259 00:08:27,875 --> 00:08:28,775 - [laughs] - Yeah, me neither. 260 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:30,611 - He's cute. - He is. 261 00:08:30,677 --> 00:08:32,045 [upbeat music] 262 00:08:32,112 --> 00:08:34,348 - Mm. - Hmm. 263 00:08:34,414 --> 00:08:36,550 And can we some of your messages? 264 00:08:36,617 --> 00:08:39,253 "Crazy, I missed you..." Okay. 265 00:08:39,319 --> 00:08:42,322 oh, and he sent you a minute and 27 long voice note? 266 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:56,537 - Kaycee. - Hmm? 267 00:08:56,603 --> 00:08:57,871 - That's an African American male. 268 00:08:57,938 --> 00:08:58,939 - [laughing] What? 269 00:08:59,006 --> 00:09:01,041 - Case closed. 270 00:09:01,108 --> 00:09:02,176 My work here is done. 271 00:09:02,242 --> 00:09:04,244 - [laughs] He's white. 272 00:09:04,311 --> 00:09:05,212 - [laughing] He's not white. 273 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:06,947 From my vocal analysis, 274 00:09:07,014 --> 00:09:08,649 it's giving Black. 275 00:09:08,715 --> 00:09:10,784 - What if everything is him 276 00:09:10,851 --> 00:09:12,786 except he's not the guy in the pictures? 277 00:09:12,853 --> 00:09:16,557 - I'ma be crushed 'cause I put a lot of time into him. 278 00:09:16,623 --> 00:09:17,724 - Mm-hmm. - You know? 279 00:09:17,791 --> 00:09:20,527 I just wanna know why, like... 280 00:09:20,594 --> 00:09:23,297 - We usually ask, like, is there someone from your past 281 00:09:23,363 --> 00:09:25,332 or an ex that's been trying to get back with you, 282 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:27,134 but, like, you would recognize his voice 283 00:09:27,201 --> 00:09:28,502 'cause you guys talk on the phone... 284 00:09:28,569 --> 00:09:29,670 - Yeah. - A lot. 285 00:09:29,736 --> 00:09:30,971 We're gonna figure this out. 286 00:09:31,038 --> 00:09:32,573 Email us everything, 287 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:34,875 and let us do some research and see what we can find. 288 00:09:34,942 --> 00:09:36,009 - Okay. 289 00:09:36,076 --> 00:09:37,811 - Well, we'll get out of here. 290 00:09:37,878 --> 00:09:40,280 - Nice to meet you guys. 291 00:09:40,347 --> 00:09:42,416 - Good to meet ya. - You too. 292 00:09:42,482 --> 00:09:46,253 - All right. - That is a Black man, okay? 293 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,388 - Even if he was being honest with her 294 00:09:48,455 --> 00:09:49,523 the whole time about who he was... 295 00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:50,891 - Mm-hmm. 296 00:09:50,958 --> 00:09:52,593 - It still doesn't explain his weird behavior. 297 00:09:52,659 --> 00:09:54,828 - She's been making way too many excuses for him. 298 00:09:54,895 --> 00:09:56,163 - It's just so suspicious 299 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:58,198 that he says he needs to get off the grid. 300 00:09:58,265 --> 00:09:59,833 This is a guy with a flip phone. 301 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:02,236 What grid is he on? 302 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,075 - It's research time. - All right. 303 00:10:08,141 --> 00:10:10,110 Let's get into this. 304 00:10:10,177 --> 00:10:11,712 Kaycee talking to Mike. 305 00:10:11,778 --> 00:10:13,046 It's been over a year. 306 00:10:13,113 --> 00:10:14,815 Mostly great. Talking all the time. 307 00:10:14,882 --> 00:10:16,183 He checks in with her all the time. 308 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:18,218 The only problem is that Mike, 309 00:10:18,285 --> 00:10:21,188 not once, but twice, has sort of strangely disappeared. 310 00:10:21,255 --> 00:10:22,422 - Mm-hmm. 311 00:10:22,489 --> 00:10:24,558 - He did send her 125 bucks though. 312 00:10:24,625 --> 00:10:26,493 - Mm-hmm. - But from a different name. 313 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,363 It seems likely that the thing that Mike is hiding 314 00:10:29,429 --> 00:10:30,697 is that he's not the guy in the pictures. 315 00:10:30,764 --> 00:10:32,566 - Mike is Black. - Uh, well... 316 00:10:32,633 --> 00:10:34,201 - Hello, all the Black people watching... 317 00:10:34,268 --> 00:10:35,435 - Right. - Are gonna know. 318 00:10:35,502 --> 00:10:36,436 - All right. - [laughs] 319 00:10:36,503 --> 00:10:37,838 - Let's see if we're right. 320 00:10:37,905 --> 00:10:39,239 - Let's find Black Mike. 321 00:10:39,306 --> 00:10:40,440 - "Hey, guys, here's what I know about Mike." 322 00:10:40,507 --> 00:10:41,975 And here's his Facebook. 323 00:10:42,042 --> 00:10:44,311 "He has two numbers since we've been talking. 324 00:10:44,378 --> 00:10:45,646 "The old one. Here's the new one." 325 00:10:45,712 --> 00:10:47,514 "He lives in Jackson, Tennessee 326 00:10:47,581 --> 00:10:49,416 "and works as a handyman. 327 00:10:49,483 --> 00:10:51,752 "He's sent me money twice. 328 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:54,354 "Once was on Walmart to Walmart 329 00:10:54,421 --> 00:10:55,889 "with the name Todd Brown, 330 00:10:55,956 --> 00:10:58,559 "and the other time was on Cash App." 331 00:10:58,625 --> 00:11:00,394 And she gives us his Cash App name, 332 00:11:00,460 --> 00:11:02,429 which is Billy [bleep]. 333 00:11:02,496 --> 00:11:04,331 "Thanks for your help! Kaycee." 334 00:11:04,398 --> 00:11:07,034 All right. Let's check out his page. 335 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:09,503 All right, so there's a handful of photos on his Facebook. 336 00:11:09,570 --> 00:11:11,405 - His thing says he's in a relationship. 337 00:11:11,471 --> 00:11:12,773 - Right, and maybe that's with her. 338 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,107 - She said they're not in a relationship. 339 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:15,542 - Weird. 340 00:11:15,609 --> 00:11:17,344 As I scroll through his friends, 341 00:11:17,411 --> 00:11:18,645 I'm noticing... - A pattern. 342 00:11:18,712 --> 00:11:20,347 - They're all women. 343 00:11:20,414 --> 00:11:21,748 This is crazy. 344 00:11:21,815 --> 00:11:24,051 He's got 1,200 friends, and they're all women. 345 00:11:24,117 --> 00:11:27,254 This is starting to raise some additional red flags for me. 346 00:11:27,321 --> 00:11:30,724 Kaycee might not be the only person Mike is talking to. 347 00:11:30,791 --> 00:11:34,127 All right, let's run some pictures here. 348 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:37,130 Mm, uh--nothing. 349 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:38,599 Here's another one. 350 00:11:38,665 --> 00:11:40,868 Anything there? No. 351 00:11:40,934 --> 00:11:42,669 All right, so no hits on any pics. 352 00:11:42,736 --> 00:11:44,605 - No. - Should we do a phone search? 353 00:11:44,671 --> 00:11:47,541 - We can. - Search now. 354 00:11:47,608 --> 00:11:49,576 Okay. - Nada. 355 00:11:49,643 --> 00:11:50,944 But it is a old number. - Right, right. 356 00:11:51,011 --> 00:11:52,112 - So we should search the new one. 357 00:11:52,179 --> 00:11:53,347 - Let's search the new one. 358 00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:54,982 [tense music] 359 00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:56,416 Negative. 360 00:11:56,483 --> 00:11:58,519 Let's just see what comes up in this Cash App. 361 00:11:58,585 --> 00:12:01,088 - Billy [bleep]. - B-I-L-L-Y. 362 00:12:01,154 --> 00:12:02,089 - [bleep] 363 00:12:02,155 --> 00:12:03,357 - Huh. 364 00:12:03,423 --> 00:12:05,125 He got a picture of a Mustang. 365 00:12:05,192 --> 00:12:06,159 - Is that the number? 366 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:07,261 That's a different number. 367 00:12:07,327 --> 00:12:08,729 But it's a 731. 368 00:12:08,795 --> 00:12:10,531 We should search that number. 369 00:12:10,597 --> 00:12:11,965 - You're right, so now let's search this number. 370 00:12:12,032 --> 00:12:13,000 Interesting, okay. 371 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:15,202 ♪♪ ♪♪ 372 00:12:15,269 --> 00:12:17,504 Robert Champion. 373 00:12:17,571 --> 00:12:19,106 What is that? Trenton, Tennessee. 374 00:12:19,173 --> 00:12:20,340 Let's look him up. 375 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:23,577 Robert Champion. 376 00:12:23,644 --> 00:12:25,979 - Mm! - Oh! 377 00:12:26,046 --> 00:12:28,415 - We got a hit. Who is this? 378 00:12:28,482 --> 00:12:30,584 Oh, the car! 379 00:12:30,651 --> 00:12:33,420 The Mustang! - The car. 380 00:12:33,487 --> 00:12:35,222 - This guy looks pretty young. 381 00:12:35,289 --> 00:12:36,924 Check his friends? - Yes. 382 00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:38,825 - Brown. 383 00:12:38,892 --> 00:12:40,727 Ooh, Mike Brown. [gasps] 384 00:12:40,794 --> 00:12:42,296 Wait. Okay, so they're friends. 385 00:12:42,362 --> 00:12:43,564 - They're friends? 386 00:12:43,630 --> 00:12:44,665 - Or you mean, you think it could be him. 387 00:12:44,731 --> 00:12:45,966 - It could be him. 388 00:12:46,033 --> 00:12:47,334 Why is he friends with Mike Brown? 389 00:12:47,401 --> 00:12:49,002 And this guy looks biracial. 390 00:12:49,069 --> 00:12:51,305 This could be the guy Kaycee's talking to. 391 00:12:51,371 --> 00:12:53,307 - What else is there about him here? 392 00:12:53,373 --> 00:12:54,575 He's younger, right. - Mm-hmm. 393 00:12:54,641 --> 00:12:57,077 - Oh, it says he works at Walmart. 394 00:12:57,144 --> 00:12:58,545 Bingo. 395 00:12:58,612 --> 00:12:59,780 He sent money from Walmart. - Mm-hmm. 396 00:12:59,847 --> 00:13:01,515 - And he sent money from Cash App. 397 00:13:01,582 --> 00:13:02,950 - Right. 398 00:13:03,016 --> 00:13:04,318 - Cash App comes directly back to this guy. 399 00:13:04,384 --> 00:13:06,520 Also says he works for Walmart. 400 00:13:06,587 --> 00:13:10,591 I'm seeing a lot of arrows pointing... 401 00:13:10,657 --> 00:13:12,326 - Mm-hmm. - To Robert. 402 00:13:12,392 --> 00:13:14,194 If that's even his real name. 403 00:13:14,261 --> 00:13:15,429 - Wait a second. 404 00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:17,331 In order to send money at Walmart, 405 00:13:17,397 --> 00:13:19,233 you have to show an ID presumably 406 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:20,467 with your real name, 407 00:13:20,534 --> 00:13:22,302 so Todd Michael Brown, we're assuming, 408 00:13:22,369 --> 00:13:23,270 is his real name. 409 00:13:23,337 --> 00:13:24,471 - Right. 410 00:13:24,538 --> 00:13:25,572 - So why don't we just do a search 411 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:26,840 for Todd Michael Brown? 412 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:28,175 - All right, let's see if we can do that. 413 00:13:28,242 --> 00:13:29,710 Search. 414 00:13:29,776 --> 00:13:31,945 Here we go. - Todd M. Brown. 415 00:13:32,012 --> 00:13:34,481 - 33, it's, like, right--the right age. 416 00:13:34,548 --> 00:13:35,616 - Right. - Trenton. 417 00:13:35,682 --> 00:13:37,684 - Robert's from Trenton. - Right. 418 00:13:37,751 --> 00:13:40,153 - He says he's from Jackson, Tennessee. 419 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:41,188 - Trenton. - Where? 420 00:13:41,255 --> 00:13:42,589 - Oh, oh, okay. 421 00:13:42,656 --> 00:13:44,658 So Jackson and Trenton are very close. 422 00:13:44,725 --> 00:13:46,059 - Mm-hmm. - Oh. 423 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:47,694 - Criminal or Traffic and Bankruptcies, 424 00:13:47,761 --> 00:13:48,896 why are those starred? 425 00:13:48,962 --> 00:13:51,298 - Search for digitized records. 426 00:13:51,365 --> 00:13:52,466 both: Oh! 427 00:13:52,533 --> 00:13:54,168 - Whoa. 428 00:13:54,234 --> 00:13:56,904 This guy's got a bunch of criminal violations 429 00:13:56,970 --> 00:14:00,574 and burglary, evading arrest, vandalism. 430 00:14:00,641 --> 00:14:02,743 Whoa, this is, like, a serious rap sheet. 431 00:14:02,809 --> 00:14:04,011 - Off the grid. 432 00:14:04,077 --> 00:14:06,280 - Yeah, maybe he got in trouble. 433 00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:08,549 He's got three more aliases. 434 00:14:08,615 --> 00:14:10,951 Oh, oh, Robert Champion! - [gasps] 435 00:14:11,018 --> 00:14:13,587 - Come on! - Oh. 436 00:14:13,654 --> 00:14:16,223 - That's it, mm! - Oh. 437 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:18,892 - Got 'em! But this kid's not 32. 438 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:21,461 - No, he's not. - And that's what's confusing. 439 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:22,729 - Could it be, like, his dad? 440 00:14:22,796 --> 00:14:24,264 - Maybe they're friends, maybe they're relatives, 441 00:14:24,331 --> 00:14:27,501 but somehow, Robert Champion is involved. 442 00:14:27,568 --> 00:14:28,769 - Mm-hmm. 443 00:14:28,836 --> 00:14:30,904 - Might be because Robert is "Michael." 444 00:14:30,971 --> 00:14:33,106 - Robert is in there somewhere. - Yeah. 445 00:14:33,173 --> 00:14:35,742 - He's the connector of the dots. 446 00:14:41,648 --> 00:14:44,318 - I'm so conflicted. - I know. 447 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,987 - Because there's evidence suggesting 448 00:14:47,054 --> 00:14:49,389 that there is a Todd M. Brown... 449 00:14:49,456 --> 00:14:50,557 - Mm-hmm. 450 00:14:50,624 --> 00:14:52,693 - In Tennessee who's the right age. 451 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:53,961 - Yeah. 452 00:14:54,027 --> 00:14:55,929 - He has some convictions, some arrests, 453 00:14:55,996 --> 00:14:58,532 and an alias of Robert Champion. 454 00:14:58,599 --> 00:14:59,700 - Mm-hmm. 455 00:14:59,766 --> 00:15:01,768 - But in the Robert Facebook pics, 456 00:15:01,835 --> 00:15:03,003 he looks too young. 457 00:15:03,070 --> 00:15:05,105 - Yeah, Robert Champion seems way younger 458 00:15:05,172 --> 00:15:06,173 than what we're looking for. 459 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,274 - Right, too young. 460 00:15:07,341 --> 00:15:09,676 Could it be two people somehow? 461 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:11,812 - I don't know. It's so weird. 462 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:16,283 - All right, here it is. 463 00:15:16,350 --> 00:15:19,286 [tense music] 464 00:15:19,353 --> 00:15:20,888 ♪♪ ♪♪ 465 00:15:20,954 --> 00:15:22,456 - Hello. - Hi. 466 00:15:22,523 --> 00:15:23,957 - Hey. 467 00:15:24,024 --> 00:15:27,427 ♪♪ ♪♪ 468 00:15:27,494 --> 00:15:30,430 Where are you at with all this now? 469 00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:32,966 - I'm excited and curious at the same time. 470 00:15:33,033 --> 00:15:35,135 - Well, we've done some research, 471 00:15:35,202 --> 00:15:37,638 so let me show you what we found. 472 00:15:37,704 --> 00:15:40,974 Okay, so we did a photo search for all the pictures of him. 473 00:15:41,041 --> 00:15:43,243 Got nothing. - Okay. 474 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:46,046 - So we went to his Facebook page, 475 00:15:46,113 --> 00:15:47,447 and we went to his friends list. 476 00:15:47,514 --> 00:15:48,782 Have you looked through his friends at all? 477 00:15:48,849 --> 00:15:50,117 - No. 478 00:15:50,184 --> 00:15:53,153 - I started to notice a pretty clear trend. 479 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:56,256 It is all women. 480 00:15:56,323 --> 00:15:58,192 He has 1,200 friends, and as far as I can tell, 481 00:15:58,258 --> 00:16:00,527 they're all young... 482 00:16:00,594 --> 00:16:01,862 - Women. 483 00:16:01,929 --> 00:16:03,897 - Could it be that many of these other women 484 00:16:03,964 --> 00:16:07,067 also were randomly friend requested by him, 485 00:16:07,134 --> 00:16:08,202 don't actually know him, 486 00:16:08,268 --> 00:16:09,970 but could he potentially be talking 487 00:16:10,037 --> 00:16:11,872 to some of them? 488 00:16:11,939 --> 00:16:15,075 [tense music] 489 00:16:15,142 --> 00:16:16,176 - Right. 490 00:16:16,243 --> 00:16:17,444 - Did you also notice 491 00:16:17,511 --> 00:16:20,781 that it says that he's in a relationship? 492 00:16:20,848 --> 00:16:23,250 - I seen that, but he tells me he's not. 493 00:16:23,317 --> 00:16:25,853 - Well, I wouldn't trust anything this guy says 494 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:27,521 'cause check this out. 495 00:16:27,588 --> 00:16:30,357 You had told us about the Cash App that you got. 496 00:16:30,424 --> 00:16:32,759 - Right. - From Billy [bleep]. 497 00:16:32,826 --> 00:16:36,129 - Right. - We went to that profile. 498 00:16:36,196 --> 00:16:38,866 His picture is a black Mustang. 499 00:16:38,932 --> 00:16:41,602 There is a phone number associated with it, 500 00:16:41,668 --> 00:16:44,004 and we searched that phone number, 501 00:16:44,071 --> 00:16:47,808 and it came back registered to Robert Champion. 502 00:16:47,875 --> 00:16:49,109 ♪♪ ♪♪ 503 00:16:49,176 --> 00:16:50,410 - Okay. 504 00:16:50,477 --> 00:16:51,578 - So we thought, okay, 505 00:16:51,645 --> 00:16:53,080 let's find out a little bit more 506 00:16:53,146 --> 00:16:54,848 about this Robert Champion person, 507 00:16:54,915 --> 00:16:57,351 see if we can find them on Facebook. 508 00:16:57,417 --> 00:17:02,222 We were able to find-- in Trenton, Tennessee, 509 00:17:02,289 --> 00:17:03,891 we found a Robert Champion. 510 00:17:03,957 --> 00:17:05,526 And what do you know, 511 00:17:05,592 --> 00:17:09,696 his banner picture is a black Mustang. 512 00:17:09,763 --> 00:17:12,065 - Whoa. - And look at where he works. 513 00:17:12,132 --> 00:17:14,234 The Walmart. [laughs] 514 00:17:14,301 --> 00:17:17,237 - Works at Walmart. 515 00:17:17,304 --> 00:17:19,373 - Hmm. - So we thought, okay. 516 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:22,042 This felt like the first, like, solid... 517 00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:23,343 - Yeah. - Thing. 518 00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:25,212 - Okay. - So then check this out. 519 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:28,582 We searched through Robert's friends list for Mike. 520 00:17:28,649 --> 00:17:30,250 - And they're friends. 521 00:17:30,317 --> 00:17:32,819 - Yeah, he's friends with Mike. - Mm-hmm. 522 00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:34,321 They know each other. - They know each other. 523 00:17:34,388 --> 00:17:35,589 - Yeah. 524 00:17:35,656 --> 00:17:39,092 - But is it possible that Robert is Mike? 525 00:17:39,159 --> 00:17:40,861 ♪♪ ♪♪ 526 00:17:40,928 --> 00:17:43,830 - This is crazy. 527 00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:46,233 - Think about it, this guy looks like he'd match 528 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:48,302 the voice that you've been talking to. 529 00:17:48,368 --> 00:17:50,370 First time you got money was from Walmart. 530 00:17:50,437 --> 00:17:52,706 This guy works at Walmart or did at some point. 531 00:17:52,773 --> 00:17:53,941 And then the second time... - You're right. 532 00:17:54,007 --> 00:17:55,642 - It's from the Cash App that is the same-- 533 00:17:55,709 --> 00:17:57,711 It's too many coincidences. 534 00:17:57,778 --> 00:17:58,846 - Right. 535 00:17:58,912 --> 00:18:01,114 - But is Robert Champion really his name? 536 00:18:01,181 --> 00:18:04,451 Because the money transfer came from the name he gave you. 537 00:18:04,518 --> 00:18:06,053 So we just tried to find 538 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,387 if there is a Todd Michael Brown, 539 00:18:07,454 --> 00:18:08,822 who that is. 540 00:18:08,889 --> 00:18:14,328 And on one site, we found a hit for Todd M. Brown. 541 00:18:14,394 --> 00:18:16,330 And look at this, aliases: Robert-- 542 00:18:16,396 --> 00:18:19,132 - Champion. - Champion. 543 00:18:19,199 --> 00:18:21,535 - Whoa. 544 00:18:21,602 --> 00:18:25,272 - But then we finally noticed, holy [bleep]. 545 00:18:25,339 --> 00:18:27,574 In Criminal or Traffic, 546 00:18:27,641 --> 00:18:30,043 he got a bunch of arrest records 547 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:34,948 for burglary, evading arrest, vandalism. 548 00:18:35,015 --> 00:18:37,784 You know, when you told us that he went "off the grid," 549 00:18:37,851 --> 00:18:39,486 could he have been in trouble? 550 00:18:39,553 --> 00:18:41,455 Maybe he could've been in prison. 551 00:18:41,522 --> 00:18:43,790 - That's a long list. 552 00:18:43,857 --> 00:18:46,627 - Something's going on here. - Yeah. 553 00:18:46,693 --> 00:18:49,897 - And it's not as simple as he just has a busted phone, 554 00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:51,231 and he's busy with work. 555 00:18:51,298 --> 00:18:52,466 - Right. 556 00:18:52,533 --> 00:18:55,702 - You deserve answers and basic respect 557 00:18:55,769 --> 00:18:57,704 for the questions that you're asking. 558 00:18:57,771 --> 00:18:59,540 It's basic. - Yeah. 559 00:18:59,606 --> 00:19:02,809 - ♪♪ Can do is cry ♪♪ 560 00:19:02,876 --> 00:19:04,578 That's a lot. 561 00:19:04,645 --> 00:19:06,813 - ♪♪ How do you love me ♪♪ 562 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,084 ♪♪ So close to breaking down? ♪♪ 563 00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:12,653 - This doesn't make no sense. 564 00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:18,425 - ♪♪ You can't leave ♪♪ 565 00:19:18,492 --> 00:19:20,827 ♪♪ ♪♪ 566 00:19:20,894 --> 00:19:22,696 - I just don't know what to say. 567 00:19:22,763 --> 00:19:25,132 - ♪♪ Hooked up to your life support ♪♪ 568 00:19:25,199 --> 00:19:26,166 - I don't... 569 00:19:26,233 --> 00:19:27,935 - ♪♪ Let me go ♪♪ 570 00:19:32,406 --> 00:19:33,507 - Look, we haven't confirmed 571 00:19:33,574 --> 00:19:34,441 that it's not the guy in the pictures. 572 00:19:34,508 --> 00:19:36,076 - Right. 573 00:19:36,143 --> 00:19:37,544 - All we've now found though, there's definitely a connection 574 00:19:37,611 --> 00:19:39,746 between Mike, the person you're talking to, 575 00:19:39,813 --> 00:19:41,648 and this guy Robert Champion. 576 00:19:41,715 --> 00:19:44,685 And we think they all might be the same person. 577 00:19:44,751 --> 00:19:46,220 - I'll have some questions now. 578 00:19:46,286 --> 00:19:48,155 - We obviously have a lot of questions now too. 579 00:19:48,222 --> 00:19:49,489 I think we gotta just try calling him. 580 00:19:49,556 --> 00:19:51,625 both: Right. - All right, so we'll call him. 581 00:19:51,692 --> 00:19:52,793 [line trilling] 582 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:54,595 I don't know if he's gonna answer. 583 00:19:54,661 --> 00:19:57,030 - I'm sorry, but the person you've-- 584 00:19:57,097 --> 00:19:59,032 - All right, let me send him a text. 585 00:19:59,099 --> 00:20:00,501 - [clears throat] 586 00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:02,069 - "Hey, Mike, it's Nev, from the TV show 'Catfish.' 587 00:20:02,135 --> 00:20:03,370 "I'm here in Bay City with Kaycee. 588 00:20:03,437 --> 00:20:04,571 "Will you please give me a call when you get this? 589 00:20:04,638 --> 00:20:05,839 Thanks." 590 00:20:05,906 --> 00:20:08,208 What about Robert? - Call him. 591 00:20:08,275 --> 00:20:09,877 - We know his number, right? - Let's see, yeah. 592 00:20:09,943 --> 00:20:12,012 - Let's see if he'll answer us. 593 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:13,280 [line trilling] 594 00:20:13,347 --> 00:20:14,681 Robert, I guess. 595 00:20:14,748 --> 00:20:16,750 [tense music] 596 00:20:16,817 --> 00:20:18,252 Yeah, I guess-- [click] 597 00:20:19,086 --> 00:20:21,088 - Hi, is this Robert? 598 00:20:22,256 --> 00:20:23,624 - Hey, Robert, how you doing? 599 00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:26,860 My name is Nev, from "Catfish." You know the show? 600 00:20:27,594 --> 00:20:29,062 - Okay, cool, we're actually making an episode 601 00:20:29,129 --> 00:20:30,230 of the show right now, 602 00:20:30,297 --> 00:20:32,699 and we think you're friends 603 00:20:32,766 --> 00:20:35,068 with this guy that we're trying to get in touch with 604 00:20:35,135 --> 00:20:37,905 named Mike, or Mike Brown. 605 00:20:39,773 --> 00:20:42,075 - Like, your actual brother? 606 00:20:43,143 --> 00:20:44,344 - Half-brother, cool. 607 00:20:44,411 --> 00:20:46,380 So do you know if he's in a relationship? 608 00:20:48,215 --> 00:20:49,416 - But you're pretty sure he's not, like-- 609 00:20:49,483 --> 00:20:51,051 he doesn't have a girlfriend right now. 610 00:20:51,785 --> 00:20:54,288 - We're with this person that's been talking to Mike, 611 00:20:54,354 --> 00:21:00,327 and she got a Cash App payment from your Cash App. 612 00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:03,163 Can you just-- we're just trying to figure out 613 00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:04,998 how that happened. 614 00:21:09,236 --> 00:21:11,271 - But it didn't come from your brother? 615 00:21:11,338 --> 00:21:13,273 - So who sent that to you? 616 00:21:18,178 --> 00:21:20,581 - So you just sort of get weird Cash Apps 617 00:21:20,647 --> 00:21:22,015 and then messages that say, 618 00:21:22,082 --> 00:21:24,518 "Can you please send this to this person?" 619 00:21:25,819 --> 00:21:27,588 - You don't even know who's sending it to you? 620 00:21:35,495 --> 00:21:37,831 - Okay, well, we've got some questions for your brother, 621 00:21:37,898 --> 00:21:40,601 so if you don't mind, it would be really helpful 622 00:21:40,667 --> 00:21:42,269 if you could just sort of reach out. 623 00:21:42,336 --> 00:21:44,605 We're just basically trying to help him meet up 624 00:21:44,671 --> 00:21:46,373 with this girl he's been talking to. 625 00:21:48,809 --> 00:21:50,410 - Oh, why's that? 626 00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:55,516 - He can text me back or call me back and you know, 627 00:21:55,582 --> 00:21:57,451 tell me, you know, if now's not a good time, 628 00:21:57,518 --> 00:21:59,219 I'd just love to hear that from him. 629 00:21:59,987 --> 00:22:01,655 - Okay, cool. Well, I appreciate it. 630 00:22:03,156 --> 00:22:05,158 - All right, you too. 631 00:22:05,225 --> 00:22:06,760 [line beeps] 632 00:22:06,827 --> 00:22:08,128 Did that sound like Mike? 633 00:22:08,195 --> 00:22:10,397 - No, that's not his voice. 634 00:22:10,464 --> 00:22:14,768 - But could that be him just doing a different voice? 635 00:22:14,835 --> 00:22:16,136 - I don't know. 636 00:22:16,203 --> 00:22:18,305 - It feels like it could be the same person. 637 00:22:18,372 --> 00:22:20,774 The way he reacted, like, "Can't give you any information 638 00:22:20,841 --> 00:22:22,476 about why he can't meet up, but now's not a good time." 639 00:22:22,543 --> 00:22:23,744 How do you know? 640 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:25,646 - Let's not forget that he just randomly has 641 00:22:25,712 --> 00:22:27,447 people send him money on Cash App 642 00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:28,882 and ask him to send it to someone else, 643 00:22:28,949 --> 00:22:30,117 and he just does it? 644 00:22:30,184 --> 00:22:32,052 - Yeah, sketch, super sketch. 645 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,253 - He now knows that we're with you. 646 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,688 - Right. 647 00:22:34,755 --> 00:22:36,823 - We should just plan tomorrow to go to Tennessee. 648 00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:38,058 I think if we're there, 649 00:22:38,125 --> 00:22:40,794 it makes it a lot harder for him to say no. 650 00:22:40,861 --> 00:22:42,129 - Okay. 651 00:22:42,196 --> 00:22:43,130 - 'Cause you've already come all the way... 652 00:22:43,197 --> 00:22:44,198 - Yeah, yeah. - To him. 653 00:22:44,264 --> 00:22:45,165 - So then get everything together 654 00:22:45,232 --> 00:22:46,433 that you would need. 655 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:47,701 - I will, I will. 656 00:22:47,768 --> 00:22:49,136 - All right. 657 00:22:49,203 --> 00:22:50,437 [tense music] 658 00:22:50,504 --> 00:22:51,505 Let us know if you hear anything. 659 00:22:51,572 --> 00:22:52,639 - I will. 660 00:22:52,706 --> 00:22:53,807 - We'll see you in the morning. 661 00:22:53,874 --> 00:22:54,675 - All right. - See you in the morning. 662 00:22:54,741 --> 00:22:56,176 - Bye, guys, bye. 663 00:22:56,243 --> 00:22:58,478 - Oh, check it out. 664 00:22:58,545 --> 00:22:59,880 We got something. 665 00:22:59,947 --> 00:23:05,252 He said, "I guess I can meet if you come to Tennessee 666 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:07,354 if this is serious..." 667 00:23:07,421 --> 00:23:10,023 Okay, we got him on the line. 668 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:11,859 [line trilling] 669 00:23:11,925 --> 00:23:13,193 - Hello? - Kamie? 670 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:15,762 - Yes? - I have a text from Mike. 671 00:23:15,829 --> 00:23:17,631 - No. - Yeah. 672 00:23:17,698 --> 00:23:18,765 - Saying what? 673 00:23:18,832 --> 00:23:20,100 - "I'll be outside of Nashville, 674 00:23:20,167 --> 00:23:22,169 but let me figure out where to meet." 675 00:23:22,236 --> 00:23:23,737 - Let's go to Nashville. 676 00:23:23,804 --> 00:23:25,839 - Whoo, let's go! 677 00:23:25,906 --> 00:23:26,840 [line trilling] 678 00:23:26,907 --> 00:23:28,208 - Hello? - Kaycee? 679 00:23:28,275 --> 00:23:29,643 - Hey, guys. - Good news. 680 00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:30,978 I got a text from him. 681 00:23:31,044 --> 00:23:33,680 He responded positively to meeting in Nashville. 682 00:23:33,747 --> 00:23:34,815 - Awesome. 683 00:23:34,882 --> 00:23:36,550 - We can have a car pick you up. 684 00:23:36,617 --> 00:23:37,818 - Sounds good. 685 00:23:37,885 --> 00:23:39,052 I'm nervous because I haven't flown. 686 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,220 I'm excited. - Wait, you've never-- 687 00:23:40,287 --> 00:23:41,889 - [gasps] - Been on an airplane? 688 00:23:41,955 --> 00:23:43,056 - This gonna be my first time. 689 00:23:43,123 --> 00:23:44,625 - We'll make sure it's an experience. 690 00:23:44,691 --> 00:23:45,826 - All right, I'll see you at the airport. 691 00:23:45,893 --> 00:23:48,629 [upbeat music] 692 00:23:48,695 --> 00:23:49,997 ♪♪ ♪♪ 693 00:23:50,063 --> 00:23:51,565 Hi. - What's up? 694 00:23:51,632 --> 00:23:53,100 - Just nervous. 695 00:23:53,166 --> 00:23:54,568 - Hi. 696 00:23:54,635 --> 00:23:55,903 - First time--have even been to the airport before? 697 00:23:55,969 --> 00:23:57,004 - No. [laughs] - Oh, my God. 698 00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:58,205 So this is an airport. - What? 699 00:23:58,272 --> 00:23:59,206 - This is what an airport looks like. 700 00:23:59,273 --> 00:24:00,174 - Did you bring your parachute? 701 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,208 - Stop it. - All right. 702 00:24:01,275 --> 00:24:03,777 Here we go, into the airport. 703 00:24:03,844 --> 00:24:05,979 [upbeat music] 704 00:24:06,046 --> 00:24:07,915 - Over. [beeping] 705 00:24:07,981 --> 00:24:09,716 Thank you. - Whoo! 706 00:24:09,783 --> 00:24:10,984 - [laughs] 707 00:24:11,051 --> 00:24:12,052 - All right. 708 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,086 - [indistinct] 709 00:24:13,153 --> 00:24:14,488 - Tennessee, here we come. 710 00:24:14,555 --> 00:24:17,758 - ♪♪ Feel it, can you feel it? ♪♪ 711 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:20,294 ♪♪ Whoa, ha ♪♪ [engine roaring] 712 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:21,562 - Here we go. 713 00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:22,930 - Oh, my God. 714 00:24:22,996 --> 00:24:25,465 Oh, [bleep]. [laughs] 715 00:24:25,532 --> 00:24:26,800 - ♪♪ Feel it ♪♪ 716 00:24:26,867 --> 00:24:28,368 - Oh, my God. 717 00:24:28,435 --> 00:24:31,338 Wow! That's crazy. 718 00:24:31,405 --> 00:24:33,540 - ♪♪ Oh, can you feel it tonight? ♪♪ 719 00:24:33,607 --> 00:24:35,275 ♪♪ You've got me losing my cool ♪♪ 720 00:24:40,347 --> 00:24:42,015 - That wasn't so bad. - It wasn't. 721 00:24:42,082 --> 00:24:43,417 - Oh, we got a text. 722 00:24:43,483 --> 00:24:45,519 - What'd he say? - He said, "Hey, bro." 723 00:24:45,586 --> 00:24:48,288 - Bro. - "I'll be around here today." 724 00:24:48,355 --> 00:24:51,158 And then he sent an address. - An address? 725 00:24:51,225 --> 00:24:52,326 - He sent an address, and he said, 726 00:24:52,392 --> 00:24:54,528 "Don't knock on the door. Go to the barn." 727 00:24:54,595 --> 00:24:55,796 - I don't know if I like that. 728 00:24:55,863 --> 00:24:57,197 - Gonna get our bags. 729 00:24:57,264 --> 00:24:59,867 - Okay. - "See you soon." 730 00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:01,568 [groans] 731 00:25:01,635 --> 00:25:03,270 You ready to meet this guy? 732 00:25:03,337 --> 00:25:04,505 - Yeah, I'm ready. 733 00:25:04,571 --> 00:25:07,140 I'm nervous. [laughs] 734 00:25:07,207 --> 00:25:08,475 - So wait a second, 735 00:25:08,542 --> 00:25:11,178 is this the house and that the barn, 736 00:25:11,245 --> 00:25:13,013 or is this the house and that the barn? 737 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,748 [suspenseful music] 738 00:25:14,815 --> 00:25:16,617 That's not a barn. That's a shed. 739 00:25:16,683 --> 00:25:17,818 - It's a shed. 740 00:25:17,885 --> 00:25:19,353 - That must be the barn over there. 741 00:25:19,419 --> 00:25:21,655 [eerie music] 742 00:25:21,722 --> 00:25:25,859 All right, let me go check out this weird barn. 743 00:25:25,926 --> 00:25:27,294 - We're gonna go explore. 744 00:25:27,361 --> 00:25:30,531 After you, please. 745 00:25:30,597 --> 00:25:33,367 It's giving "Texas Chainsaw Massacre." 746 00:25:33,433 --> 00:25:36,837 ♪♪ ♪♪ 747 00:25:36,904 --> 00:25:40,574 - The sky is getting very dark and stormy. 748 00:25:40,641 --> 00:25:45,212 I'm not really sure what's going on here. 749 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:46,914 - [gasps] 750 00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:48,248 [whispering] I see somebody, I see somebody. 751 00:25:48,315 --> 00:25:50,083 I saw somebody, I saw somebody. 752 00:25:50,150 --> 00:25:55,455 Nev, Nev, Nev, Nev. 753 00:25:57,357 --> 00:25:58,625 - You see someone? 754 00:25:59,993 --> 00:26:01,161 I swear. 755 00:26:01,228 --> 00:26:02,996 [dramatic music] 756 00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:04,498 [gasps] 757 00:26:10,270 --> 00:26:11,705 - All right. 758 00:26:11,772 --> 00:26:15,108 - I'm not going in there. - Hello? 759 00:26:15,175 --> 00:26:16,476 Anybody in here? 760 00:26:16,543 --> 00:26:21,915 ♪♪ ♪♪ 761 00:26:21,982 --> 00:26:23,517 Hey. - Hey. 762 00:26:23,584 --> 00:26:25,385 ♪♪ ♪♪ 763 00:26:25,452 --> 00:26:28,722 - What's up? - What's going on, man? 764 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:30,724 - I don't know. This is all very strange. 765 00:26:30,791 --> 00:26:32,593 - Shut the [bleep] up! 766 00:26:32,659 --> 00:26:34,094 - [laughs] - What's up? 767 00:26:34,161 --> 00:26:35,362 Bring your ass out around that corner? 768 00:26:35,429 --> 00:26:36,597 Come here. [laughs] 769 00:26:36,663 --> 00:26:38,065 - Oh, my God. 770 00:26:38,131 --> 00:26:39,199 - No! 771 00:26:39,266 --> 00:26:41,301 [laughter] 772 00:26:43,237 --> 00:26:44,972 - So this is Mike. 773 00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:47,107 - Hey. - But is that your name? 774 00:26:47,174 --> 00:26:49,076 - Yeah, my name is Todd Michael Brown. 775 00:26:49,142 --> 00:26:51,111 - Okay. - It's you. 776 00:26:51,178 --> 00:26:52,813 It's really you? 777 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,181 - Yeah, it's really me. 778 00:26:54,248 --> 00:26:57,117 - [laughs] 779 00:26:57,184 --> 00:26:59,286 - Hi, what? 780 00:26:59,353 --> 00:27:00,554 [laughs] 781 00:27:00,621 --> 00:27:02,890 - I've never been more wrong in my life. 782 00:27:02,956 --> 00:27:05,359 - So this whole time that you've been talking, 783 00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:08,228 or that Kaycee's been talking to you, it's been you? 784 00:27:08,295 --> 00:27:10,397 - It's been me. - And only you? 785 00:27:10,464 --> 00:27:11,999 - And only me. 786 00:27:12,065 --> 00:27:15,469 - We were sure that you were full of [bleep], 787 00:27:15,536 --> 00:27:17,337 and that you were not the guy in the pictures, 788 00:27:17,404 --> 00:27:20,207 and that you could've been someone totally different, 789 00:27:20,274 --> 00:27:21,875 which is why you were avoiding meeting up, 790 00:27:21,942 --> 00:27:23,243 and you didn't want to FaceTime. 791 00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:26,113 Why not FaceTime all these months? 792 00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:27,648 - All right, when we first started talking, 793 00:27:27,714 --> 00:27:30,184 she was on my ass about that FaceTime and [bleep] right? 794 00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:31,451 She was. She was on my ass. 795 00:27:31,518 --> 00:27:32,886 "Why can't I never see you when we talk?" 796 00:27:32,953 --> 00:27:34,087 Why this, that, and the other. 797 00:27:34,154 --> 00:27:35,422 Well, I had a flip phone, and I don't think 798 00:27:35,489 --> 00:27:38,659 she always believed that [bleep], but I did. 799 00:27:38,725 --> 00:27:40,127 - Okay. 800 00:27:40,194 --> 00:27:41,395 - I didn't believe you 'cause who has a flip phone? 801 00:27:41,461 --> 00:27:42,729 - Like, all this technology and [bleep], 802 00:27:42,796 --> 00:27:44,765 like, I still knew how to use the flip phone 803 00:27:44,831 --> 00:27:46,266 when I got out of prison. 804 00:27:46,333 --> 00:27:47,701 You know what I'm saying, they didn't have smartphones 805 00:27:47,768 --> 00:27:48,902 before I went in. 806 00:27:48,969 --> 00:27:50,938 I've been locked up since 13 to 18, 807 00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:52,506 and then 18 to 26. 808 00:27:52,573 --> 00:27:55,075 Like, for real, like, I mean, like, I'm not-- 809 00:27:55,142 --> 00:27:57,578 I'm caveman status, for real, God damn it. 810 00:27:57,644 --> 00:27:59,046 [somber music] 811 00:27:59,112 --> 00:28:02,883 - And why did you never tell Kaycee about your past? 812 00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:04,418 Going to jail, it seems like it was, like, 813 00:28:04,484 --> 00:28:05,819 a big chunk of your life. 814 00:28:05,886 --> 00:28:08,355 Like, why had you never brought that up to her? 815 00:28:08,422 --> 00:28:09,923 ♪♪ ♪♪ 816 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:12,960 - I mean, it was... 817 00:28:13,026 --> 00:28:14,461 I don't know, it's irrelevant. 818 00:28:14,528 --> 00:28:16,129 It's the past, right? 819 00:28:16,196 --> 00:28:18,031 - The flip phone thing could have been explained 820 00:28:18,098 --> 00:28:19,266 just like that. 821 00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:20,701 This is why I have a flip phone. 822 00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:22,703 - You do have Cash App? 823 00:28:22,769 --> 00:28:26,039 - Mm-mm, I be using my brother's and my sister's. 824 00:28:26,106 --> 00:28:27,608 - The person we spoke to on the phone yesterday, 825 00:28:27,674 --> 00:28:28,775 that was your brother? 826 00:28:28,842 --> 00:28:30,844 - Robert? - Yeah, that's my brother. 827 00:28:30,911 --> 00:28:33,213 - So he was covering for you? - Yeah. 828 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,015 - All right, so you're you, 829 00:28:35,082 --> 00:28:36,817 and you're not in any relationship right now? 830 00:28:36,884 --> 00:28:39,386 - No, I'm not in no relationship. 831 00:28:39,453 --> 00:28:42,356 So you guys have been talking for almost a year. 832 00:28:42,422 --> 00:28:45,425 Twice during that year, according to Kaycee, 833 00:28:45,492 --> 00:28:47,027 you sort of vanished. 834 00:28:47,094 --> 00:28:48,729 What was going on? Where'd you go? 835 00:28:48,795 --> 00:28:50,430 What happened? 836 00:28:50,497 --> 00:28:54,468 - Uh, I had started talking to this other girl. 837 00:28:54,535 --> 00:28:56,236 [tense music] 838 00:28:56,303 --> 00:28:58,572 And I got a baby on the way too. 839 00:28:58,639 --> 00:29:00,040 ♪♪ ♪♪ 840 00:29:00,107 --> 00:29:01,642 It's due in October. 841 00:29:01,708 --> 00:29:03,477 - Did you know that? - Mm-mm. 842 00:29:03,544 --> 00:29:05,879 - Wait, so hold on. 843 00:29:05,946 --> 00:29:09,583 You have a child on the way 844 00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:11,885 with a girl that you're obviously--you're not with? 845 00:29:11,952 --> 00:29:13,086 - I'm not with, no. 846 00:29:13,153 --> 00:29:15,189 ♪♪ ♪♪ 847 00:29:15,255 --> 00:29:16,490 - Was it a girl that you were dating 848 00:29:16,557 --> 00:29:18,158 or just sort of a fling? 849 00:29:18,225 --> 00:29:19,893 - It was kinda just like a little fling thing, 850 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,262 and I tried to, like, make it work. 851 00:29:22,329 --> 00:29:25,699 - Wow, okay. - Yeah, I know, right? 852 00:29:25,766 --> 00:29:30,370 - So when were you gonna tell Kaycee that part? 853 00:29:30,437 --> 00:29:32,806 - I don't know. 854 00:29:32,873 --> 00:29:36,944 Like, I love Kaycee to death, but with the baby on the way, 855 00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:39,046 I just don't see myself in a relationship 856 00:29:39,112 --> 00:29:41,849 at the moment, like... 857 00:29:41,915 --> 00:29:43,550 I just don't see it. 858 00:29:43,617 --> 00:29:45,118 I know it's wrong, but-- - That's messed up. 859 00:29:45,185 --> 00:29:46,520 - But I love you to death though. 860 00:29:46,587 --> 00:29:48,055 But I love you to death though. For real, I do. 861 00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:51,558 ♪♪ ♪♪ 862 00:29:51,625 --> 00:29:53,961 [sighs] 863 00:29:54,027 --> 00:29:57,598 - Oh, my God. 864 00:29:57,664 --> 00:30:00,467 - Well, I don't really know... 865 00:30:00,534 --> 00:30:01,835 - I don't know. 866 00:30:01,902 --> 00:30:03,904 - The extent of your conversations with Kaycee, 867 00:30:03,971 --> 00:30:06,073 but it seemed like you loved her and-- 868 00:30:06,139 --> 00:30:08,275 - I do love her, like-- 869 00:30:08,342 --> 00:30:09,910 I fell in love with her personality. 870 00:30:09,977 --> 00:30:11,144 Like, I like her. She's great. 871 00:30:11,211 --> 00:30:12,613 You know what I mean, she really is. 872 00:30:12,679 --> 00:30:13,780 She's great. 873 00:30:13,847 --> 00:30:16,717 ♪♪ ♪♪ 874 00:30:16,783 --> 00:30:19,219 - I just wasted my time. 875 00:30:19,286 --> 00:30:22,155 - I don't think that's true because we would've never known 876 00:30:22,222 --> 00:30:24,057 that it was actually him, and who knows 877 00:30:24,124 --> 00:30:26,426 when you would've ever gotten to him on FaceTime 878 00:30:26,493 --> 00:30:29,129 or anything like that had we not done this. 879 00:30:29,196 --> 00:30:30,697 Like, you wouldn't-- you would never know. 880 00:30:30,764 --> 00:30:33,300 And this guy clearly doesn't know what he wants right now. 881 00:30:33,367 --> 00:30:34,701 - Right. 882 00:30:34,768 --> 00:30:36,303 - So if I were you, I would wanna know from him, 883 00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:37,871 when were you gonna tell me that? 884 00:30:37,938 --> 00:30:39,373 A year and some change into talking? 885 00:30:39,439 --> 00:30:40,707 - He didn't think I would come. 886 00:30:40,774 --> 00:30:42,176 That's what his problem is. 887 00:30:42,242 --> 00:30:43,977 - You knew that, in talking to her, 888 00:30:44,044 --> 00:30:46,947 you were leading her on at least towards thinking 889 00:30:47,014 --> 00:30:49,850 that there was a romantic interest. 890 00:30:49,917 --> 00:30:51,151 - Yeah, but I-- 891 00:30:51,218 --> 00:30:52,819 - And did you never really feel that way? 892 00:30:52,886 --> 00:30:56,156 - I mean, in some ways, I did. 893 00:30:56,223 --> 00:30:59,059 Like, I mean, I got a lot of love for her. 894 00:30:59,126 --> 00:31:00,594 Like, I help her out any way I can. 895 00:31:00,661 --> 00:31:02,262 Like, I've sent the money and everything. 896 00:31:02,329 --> 00:31:06,166 You know, I do anything I can to help her, but... 897 00:31:06,233 --> 00:31:09,169 I guess, she led it on 898 00:31:09,236 --> 00:31:10,737 to more than what it is, and [bleep], 899 00:31:10,804 --> 00:31:13,574 It could be that one day. 900 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,909 - We're back. 901 00:31:15,976 --> 00:31:17,044 - [sighs, clears throat] 902 00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:20,948 [tense music] 903 00:31:21,014 --> 00:31:22,983 I don't know what to say right now. 904 00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:26,320 ♪♪ ♪♪ 905 00:31:26,386 --> 00:31:28,555 I left my kids at home for you. 906 00:31:28,622 --> 00:31:30,090 - I know. 907 00:31:30,157 --> 00:31:32,860 I know, and I'm glad to see you too. 908 00:31:32,926 --> 00:31:34,494 I really am. I wanna hug you again. 909 00:31:34,561 --> 00:31:36,263 Like, a lot. I do, but I don't-- 910 00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:37,831 I love you to death, like, who you are. 911 00:31:37,898 --> 00:31:40,567 Like, I swear, like, you're... 912 00:31:40,634 --> 00:31:42,236 I wish every woman had your personality. 913 00:31:42,302 --> 00:31:43,704 God, I do, you know what I mean? 914 00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:45,138 [laughing] I swear I do. 915 00:31:45,205 --> 00:31:48,709 It was never a joke, you know what I mean, like... 916 00:31:48,775 --> 00:31:51,678 I can't tell you three months from now, six months from now, 917 00:31:51,745 --> 00:31:53,113 if you wanna stick around, keep talking, 918 00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:54,348 hang out until then, 919 00:31:54,414 --> 00:31:56,517 I can't tell you what'll happen then. 920 00:31:56,583 --> 00:31:59,920 - But is it really fair to ask Kaycee to wait? 921 00:31:59,987 --> 00:32:03,490 - I mean... 922 00:32:03,557 --> 00:32:05,692 I don't know, like, I'm glad I-- 923 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:07,094 I'm glad you're here now. 924 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,663 I mean, it's good to meet you though. 925 00:32:09,730 --> 00:32:12,065 ♪♪ ♪♪ 926 00:32:12,132 --> 00:32:14,301 - [laughs] Well, I'm glad you're real. 927 00:32:14,368 --> 00:32:15,435 - [laughs] You're glad I'm real? 928 00:32:15,502 --> 00:32:17,037 - Yeah, not a weirdo out here. 929 00:32:17,104 --> 00:32:18,405 - [laughs] 930 00:32:18,472 --> 00:32:22,075 - I mean, I'm mad at you, but... 931 00:32:24,011 --> 00:32:25,345 - All right, look, 932 00:32:25,412 --> 00:32:28,315 she can't keep getting these mixed signals 933 00:32:28,382 --> 00:32:31,185 and keep waiting for the right time. 934 00:32:31,251 --> 00:32:33,654 So I think Kaycee needs a minute to kind of think 935 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,290 about what she's now hearing and let it sink in. 936 00:32:36,356 --> 00:32:38,992 Why don't we plan on meeting back up tomorrow? 937 00:32:39,059 --> 00:32:40,827 ♪♪ ♪♪ 938 00:32:40,894 --> 00:32:42,729 - Sure. 939 00:32:42,796 --> 00:32:44,364 - All right. 940 00:32:44,431 --> 00:32:46,066 We'll see you later, Mike. 941 00:32:46,133 --> 00:32:47,701 - All right. 942 00:32:47,768 --> 00:32:49,870 Bye, Kaycee. 943 00:32:49,937 --> 00:32:52,272 - [sniffles] - Oh, boy. 944 00:32:54,875 --> 00:32:56,410 - You all right? 945 00:32:56,476 --> 00:32:58,245 - He doesn't know what he wants. 946 00:32:58,312 --> 00:32:59,847 - That's bull[bleep], and then to talk 947 00:32:59,913 --> 00:33:02,316 about things like, "Who knows what could happen." 948 00:33:02,382 --> 00:33:03,584 - Right, it's just like, 949 00:33:03,650 --> 00:33:04,952 "Don't even [bleep] go there right now." 950 00:33:05,018 --> 00:33:07,187 And I think it has more to do with what you want. 951 00:33:07,254 --> 00:33:08,755 [tense music] 952 00:33:08,822 --> 00:33:10,791 If you're hoping tomorrow that you'll go there, 953 00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:13,327 and he's gonna be like, "I wanna be with you," 954 00:33:13,393 --> 00:33:14,728 that's probably not gonna happen. 955 00:33:14,795 --> 00:33:16,163 He said he doesn't know when it's gonna happen. 956 00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:17,764 - Well, even if he does say that tomorrow, 957 00:33:17,831 --> 00:33:18,699 I wouldn't believe him. 958 00:33:18,765 --> 00:33:19,900 - Right. 959 00:33:19,967 --> 00:33:21,201 - Think about everything 960 00:33:21,268 --> 00:33:23,237 so that tomorrow when we talk to him, 961 00:33:23,303 --> 00:33:24,938 you can be clear 962 00:33:25,005 --> 00:33:27,474 about whatever direction it is you want things to go. 963 00:33:27,541 --> 00:33:28,475 - Okay. 964 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,315 [knock at door] - Let's check in. 965 00:33:35,382 --> 00:33:37,084 both: Hi. - Morning. 966 00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:40,487 [soft music] 967 00:33:40,554 --> 00:33:43,524 - How you feeling? - I'm okay. 968 00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:46,927 Yeah, I had some time to think on it. 969 00:33:46,994 --> 00:33:50,030 I didn't get catfished, but I did. 970 00:33:50,097 --> 00:33:53,634 The fact that he, like, has a baby on the way, 971 00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:54,868 that's big. 972 00:33:54,935 --> 00:33:56,837 Like, you don't hide that. 973 00:33:56,904 --> 00:33:59,273 - Yeah, and all the rest of it. [sighs] 974 00:33:59,339 --> 00:34:00,541 It just seems like 975 00:34:00,607 --> 00:34:02,042 you're gonna be getting the runaround 976 00:34:02,109 --> 00:34:05,012 for as long as he so chooses until he chooses you-- 977 00:34:05,078 --> 00:34:07,548 if he chooses you, and that's not fair. 978 00:34:07,614 --> 00:34:10,050 - If I were in your shoes, 979 00:34:10,117 --> 00:34:13,453 I wouldn't wanna leave until I got an answer. 980 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,223 Would he like to have some sort of a relationship with you? 981 00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:17,891 - Yeah, definitely. 982 00:34:17,958 --> 00:34:19,860 I'd like to know too. 983 00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:20,794 - All right, so I think we should press him 984 00:34:20,861 --> 00:34:21,995 a little bit today. 985 00:34:22,062 --> 00:34:24,464 - I need answers before I go home, yeah. 986 00:34:24,531 --> 00:34:27,267 - Okay, then let's give him a call and head over there. 987 00:34:27,334 --> 00:34:29,736 [line trilling] 988 00:34:30,637 --> 00:34:32,639 - Hey, Mike, it's Nev. 989 00:34:32,706 --> 00:34:33,874 - We'd love to have another chance 990 00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:36,043 to sit down with you now and talk. 991 00:34:36,877 --> 00:34:38,278 - That's perfect. 992 00:34:38,345 --> 00:34:40,547 We'll meet you over there in a little bit. 993 00:34:40,614 --> 00:34:42,482 - All right, thanks, bud. 994 00:34:42,549 --> 00:34:44,952 [knock at door] 995 00:34:45,018 --> 00:34:45,986 - Hey. - Hey, what's going on? 996 00:34:46,053 --> 00:34:47,087 - Hey. - What's up? 997 00:34:47,154 --> 00:34:48,422 - Y'all wanna come in? - Yeah. 998 00:34:48,488 --> 00:34:51,358 [soft music] 999 00:34:51,425 --> 00:34:53,126 - What did you do last night? 1000 00:34:53,193 --> 00:34:56,163 - Um, think. 1001 00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:57,331 - What'd you think about? 1002 00:34:57,397 --> 00:34:58,999 - A lot. 1003 00:34:59,066 --> 00:35:01,535 Um... 1004 00:35:01,602 --> 00:35:02,669 I wanna apologize. 1005 00:35:02,736 --> 00:35:04,071 I ain't mean to hurt you. 1006 00:35:04,137 --> 00:35:06,540 Like, I don't know, I was just--you hit me up, 1007 00:35:06,607 --> 00:35:08,909 and I was just, like, going with the flow of everything, 1008 00:35:08,976 --> 00:35:11,311 you know, and just... 1009 00:35:11,378 --> 00:35:13,780 You know, I needed a friend at the time, 1010 00:35:13,847 --> 00:35:17,484 and you was always there, you know? 1011 00:35:17,551 --> 00:35:20,521 And I liked that. 1012 00:35:20,587 --> 00:35:22,990 - I'm kinda just hurt because you lied to me. 1013 00:35:23,056 --> 00:35:24,591 - I ain't never wanted to hurt you, 1014 00:35:24,658 --> 00:35:27,728 but at the same time, 1015 00:35:27,794 --> 00:35:29,897 I loved the way that you chased me though. 1016 00:35:29,963 --> 00:35:31,598 You know what I'm saying, like, I do, I like-- 1017 00:35:31,665 --> 00:35:33,133 - I was not. [laughs] 1018 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,602 - What man wouldn't though, you know what I'm saying? 1019 00:35:35,669 --> 00:35:37,070 - But you said yesterday 1020 00:35:37,137 --> 00:35:40,274 something to the effect of, "You know, I don't know 1021 00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:45,779 how I'll feel in three months, six months, like, we'll see." 1022 00:35:45,846 --> 00:35:49,249 - I mean, I don't-- I really don't know. 1023 00:35:49,316 --> 00:35:53,954 - Right, but I think you can say pretty definitively 1024 00:35:54,021 --> 00:35:56,890 if you ever see yourself in a relationship-- 1025 00:35:56,957 --> 00:35:59,493 in a romantic, sexual relationship 1026 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,662 with Kaycee or not. 1027 00:36:01,728 --> 00:36:06,266 [tense music] 1028 00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:08,368 - Probably not. 1029 00:36:08,435 --> 00:36:11,705 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1030 00:36:11,772 --> 00:36:16,810 But I do love you, just not in that way. 1031 00:36:16,877 --> 00:36:18,846 'Cause if I did love you in that way, 1032 00:36:18,912 --> 00:36:21,381 then there would never be this girl, that girl, 1033 00:36:21,448 --> 00:36:23,450 and a baby on the way. 1034 00:36:23,517 --> 00:36:25,586 - Right. 1035 00:36:25,652 --> 00:36:27,721 - So it's obviously not there 1036 00:36:27,788 --> 00:36:29,489 like it needs to be there, or if it was, 1037 00:36:29,556 --> 00:36:33,160 then we wouldn't be having this conversation like this. 1038 00:36:33,227 --> 00:36:35,562 You should've just been honest from the get-go 1039 00:36:35,629 --> 00:36:36,563 like you're being honest right now. 1040 00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:37,865 - You right. 1041 00:36:37,931 --> 00:36:39,066 I guess I was playing with your feelings, 1042 00:36:39,132 --> 00:36:40,434 but it wasn't intentional. 1043 00:36:40,501 --> 00:36:41,568 Like, I thought you was getting something 1044 00:36:41,635 --> 00:36:42,903 out of the conversation, 1045 00:36:42,970 --> 00:36:44,004 I was getting something out of the conversation. 1046 00:36:44,071 --> 00:36:45,172 - What was I getting out of it? 1047 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,241 Call it, like, companionship, whatever. 1048 00:36:47,307 --> 00:36:49,276 - She didn't have to get companionship from you, 1049 00:36:49,343 --> 00:36:50,477 as great as it's been. 1050 00:36:50,544 --> 00:36:52,045 - Well, that's what's up, but she hit me up 1051 00:36:52,112 --> 00:36:55,415 in the beginning, so I never started this. 1052 00:36:55,482 --> 00:36:56,583 So call it what you want. 1053 00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:58,986 I didn't pursue. I was pursued. 1054 00:36:59,052 --> 00:37:01,255 - But, like, you were saying things 1055 00:37:01,321 --> 00:37:04,925 that suggest that you were both attracted to her physically 1056 00:37:04,992 --> 00:37:06,894 and emotionally interested in her. 1057 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,695 - I'm sorry that I led it on. 1058 00:37:08,762 --> 00:37:09,863 Yeah, I just-- 1059 00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:11,698 [bleep], here we are. 1060 00:37:11,765 --> 00:37:13,033 I apologize, 1061 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:14,701 and ain't [bleep] else I can say about it. 1062 00:37:14,768 --> 00:37:15,802 I'm sorry. 1063 00:37:15,869 --> 00:37:19,973 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1064 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,109 - This is a good place to leave it. 1065 00:37:22,176 --> 00:37:23,710 Let's head outside, and we'll say goodbye, 1066 00:37:23,777 --> 00:37:25,212 and we'll head out. 1067 00:37:25,279 --> 00:37:29,616 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1068 00:37:29,683 --> 00:37:31,618 All right, well, good to meet you. 1069 00:37:31,685 --> 00:37:32,819 - Good to meet you. 1070 00:37:32,886 --> 00:37:33,987 - Stay clean. - Good luck. 1071 00:37:34,054 --> 00:37:34,855 - Stay out of trouble. - Good luck. 1072 00:37:34,922 --> 00:37:38,025 - Stay good. 1073 00:37:38,091 --> 00:37:42,029 Both? Handshake and hug, you know. 1074 00:37:42,095 --> 00:37:43,764 [sniffs] I don't know. 1075 00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:45,632 I'm sorry, I didn't mean-- 1076 00:37:45,699 --> 00:37:48,969 you know, you're still my buddy. 1077 00:37:49,036 --> 00:37:51,738 - That's it? - All right. 1078 00:37:51,805 --> 00:37:53,273 - All right. - We're good. 1079 00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:54,775 - All right, Mike. 1080 00:37:54,842 --> 00:37:56,844 - A'ight, Nev. - Thanks, Mike. 1081 00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:58,679 [soft music] 1082 00:37:58,745 --> 00:38:01,682 - ♪♪ Isn't it strange? ♪♪ 1083 00:38:01,748 --> 00:38:03,684 - How was that? 1084 00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:06,286 - ♪♪ Way it's just over ♪♪ 1085 00:38:06,353 --> 00:38:08,021 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1086 00:38:08,088 --> 00:38:09,823 - [sobs, sniffles] 1087 00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:13,360 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1088 00:38:13,427 --> 00:38:16,930 - ♪♪ No late-night calls ♪♪ 1089 00:38:16,997 --> 00:38:19,900 ♪♪ You're not here ♪♪ 1090 00:38:19,967 --> 00:38:21,702 - Kaycee, you didn't do anything wrong. 1091 00:38:21,768 --> 00:38:22,903 You know that, right? 1092 00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:26,573 - ♪♪ To my door ♪♪ 1093 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,378 - I just understand, like, how you could be so careless. 1094 00:38:31,445 --> 00:38:33,380 [crying] 1095 00:38:33,447 --> 00:38:38,385 It's just [bleep] up, real [bleep] up. 1096 00:38:38,452 --> 00:38:39,820 - You're right. 1097 00:38:39,887 --> 00:38:41,989 You're 100% right. 1098 00:38:42,055 --> 00:38:43,323 - I don't understand. 1099 00:38:43,390 --> 00:38:47,494 I just don't understand how you could 1100 00:38:47,561 --> 00:38:49,830 treat somebody like that. 1101 00:38:49,897 --> 00:38:56,870 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1102 00:38:56,937 --> 00:38:58,705 - ♪♪ But I've gotta grow up ♪♪ 1103 00:38:58,772 --> 00:39:01,074 - It's just real [bleep] up. 1104 00:39:01,141 --> 00:39:04,044 - ♪♪ No, I can't keep holding ♪♪ 1105 00:39:04,111 --> 00:39:07,080 - [sobbing] 1106 00:39:07,147 --> 00:39:09,483 - ♪♪ On to you ♪♪ 1107 00:39:09,550 --> 00:39:11,385 - [crying] 1108 00:39:11,451 --> 00:39:13,620 - Can I come in? 1109 00:39:13,687 --> 00:39:16,823 Just see how you're feeling. 1110 00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:19,259 - Hurt. 1111 00:39:19,326 --> 00:39:22,496 I was in love with him, like, everything about him. 1112 00:39:22,563 --> 00:39:26,767 I accepted-- like, [bleep] your past. 1113 00:39:26,834 --> 00:39:29,069 I would've--I love you, like... 1114 00:39:29,136 --> 00:39:32,372 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1115 00:39:32,439 --> 00:39:36,844 Like, I love you, and you just don't care. 1116 00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:38,579 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1117 00:39:38,645 --> 00:39:41,381 - You got the closure that you needed at least. 1118 00:39:41,448 --> 00:39:45,752 - You needed to release this, and express that, 1119 00:39:45,819 --> 00:39:48,155 and let go of it, and I'm glad that we were able 1120 00:39:48,222 --> 00:39:52,426 to at least do that now, and I'm happy that you did. 1121 00:39:52,492 --> 00:39:55,028 It's the only way it'll, like-- - It's a mourning process. 1122 00:39:55,095 --> 00:39:56,496 Like, you have to grieve the loss 1123 00:39:56,563 --> 00:39:58,232 of that relationship, 1124 00:39:58,298 --> 00:39:59,533 friendship, whatever the [bleep] else. 1125 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,368 - Yeah, it's not gonna be there no more. 1126 00:40:01,435 --> 00:40:04,071 - Yeah. 1127 00:40:04,137 --> 00:40:06,106 - I got you, sis. - [laughs] 1128 00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:07,875 - So bring it in. 1129 00:40:07,941 --> 00:40:10,210 - We're proud of you. 1130 00:40:10,277 --> 00:40:12,546 - ♪♪ I wish that I ♪♪ 1131 00:40:12,613 --> 00:40:14,114 - [laughs] 1132 00:40:14,181 --> 00:40:15,782 - Let's get you home, all right? 1133 00:40:15,849 --> 00:40:17,885 - Okay. - Let's get you home. 1134 00:40:17,951 --> 00:40:22,155 - ♪♪ You ♪♪ 1135 00:40:22,222 --> 00:40:23,657 [bell dings] 1136 00:40:23,724 --> 00:40:25,325 both: Hey! - Hi! 1137 00:40:25,392 --> 00:40:26,793 - Aw, you look happy. You look good. 1138 00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:27,928 - I am. 1139 00:40:27,995 --> 00:40:29,530 - What's going on with you? 1140 00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:31,365 - You know, staying busy with the kids and stuff. 1141 00:40:31,431 --> 00:40:33,033 - Yeah, have you talked to Mike? 1142 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:34,401 - No, I have nothing to say to him. 1143 00:40:34,468 --> 00:40:35,736 - Good for you. - Yeah. 1144 00:40:35,802 --> 00:40:36,870 - I was sad about it at first, 1145 00:40:36,937 --> 00:40:39,106 but you guys helping me, 1146 00:40:39,173 --> 00:40:43,177 it showed me who he really is, and, like, it's not for me. 1147 00:40:43,243 --> 00:40:44,645 - Yeah, clean break. 1148 00:40:44,711 --> 00:40:46,346 - How's the love life doing? 1149 00:40:46,413 --> 00:40:48,482 - The love life is on hold. 1150 00:40:48,549 --> 00:40:50,684 I've just been focusing on myself, 1151 00:40:50,751 --> 00:40:53,053 and it's just-- I'm all right with it now. 1152 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,721 I'm happy. That's all that matters. 1153 00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:56,490 - Good, I'm happy to hear this. 1154 00:40:56,557 --> 00:40:57,991 We're excited to see what happens with you 1155 00:40:58,058 --> 00:40:59,159 in the future. 1156 00:40:59,226 --> 00:41:00,994 Send us some of that spinach dip. 1157 00:41:01,061 --> 00:41:02,262 - [laughs] - 'Cause I've been missing it. 1158 00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:03,697 None of the spinach dips I've had since 1159 00:41:03,764 --> 00:41:04,698 have hit the same. 1160 00:41:04,765 --> 00:41:05,832 - [laughs] 1161 00:41:05,899 --> 00:41:07,201 - All right, Kaycee. - Good luck. 1162 00:41:07,267 --> 00:41:09,236 Glad we were able to help clear this situation up 1163 00:41:09,303 --> 00:41:10,904 and let you kind of get on with your life. 1164 00:41:10,971 --> 00:41:12,005 - Thank you guys. 1165 00:41:12,072 --> 00:41:13,674 - See you next time. - Bye. 1166 00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:18,612 [chill music] 1167 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,248 - This girl seems so independent, ambitious. 1168 00:41:21,315 --> 00:41:22,583 I'm like, "Okay." 1169 00:41:22,649 --> 00:41:23,717 - Do you know who J-- that I'm talking about 1170 00:41:23,784 --> 00:41:24,918 when I say Jessica Fox? 1171 00:41:29,823 --> 00:41:31,024 [line beeps] - [groans] 1172 00:41:31,091 --> 00:41:32,693 - This could be her! 1173 00:41:32,759 --> 00:41:33,794 - Hello. 1174 00:41:33,861 --> 00:41:35,028 - Oh, [bleep]. 1175 00:41:41,702 --> 00:41:48,642 ♪♪ ♪♪ 1176 00:42:08,929 --> 00:42:12,429 - Reese is in a relationship with Jessica.