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- This girl seems so dope,
independent, ambitious.

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I'm like, "Okay."

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- Do you know
who I'm talking about

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when I say, "Jesica Foxx"?

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- This could be her.

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This is the weirdest [bleep]
in the world.

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- This is, like, a deeper thing

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than just somebody
talking to you,

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because they have
a crush on you.

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Hello.

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- Oh, [bleep].

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- Hey. Look at this red room.

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- This is nice.
Some color in our world.

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- Oh.

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- What the [bleep] is this?
- A little awkward.

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- Guess that's--they didn't
have two of these.

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[laughter]

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- You know what?
I'm not sitting in that.

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That's not even a chair.

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- Well, that's your spot,
Kamie.

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- That's not even a chair.
I'll sit back here.

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- It is a chair.
- No, it's not.

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If I get down, I'm not gonna
be able to get back up.

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- I'll help you.

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- This is not a chair.

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- It's a camping chair.
It's a--

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- You think I've been camping
ever in my life?

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- This is good.
- Oof.

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- This is good.
I think this works.

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- This is not cute.

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There better be a real chair.
- Bring in the chair.

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Bring in the chair.

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- [laughs]

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Yeah.

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Well, now that I have
a legitimate chair,

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maybe I could get
a legitimate cohost?

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[both laugh]

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- All right.
Let's get into this.

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<i> We got an email here</i>
<i> from Reese.</i>

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<i> "Great day, Nev and Kamie."</i>

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Never have I ever heard
that greeting.

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Why have a good day...

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- When you can have
a great one.

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<i> - "My name is Reese.</i>

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<i> "I'm 30 years old,</i>

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<i> "and I live in Asbury Park,</i>
<i> New Jersey</i>

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where I work as a fitness
transformation coach."

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<i> - ♪ Makes it hard, real hard,</i>
<i> for yourself ♪</i>

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- Ooh.
- Cool.

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<i> "Five months ago,</i>

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<i> "I got a message</i>
<i> on social media</i>

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<i> from a girl</i>
<i> named Jesica Foxx."</i>

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<i> - ♪ You can be</i>
<i> somebody to love ♪</i>

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<i> - "Jesica is</i>
<i> more than a snack.</i>

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She's a 20-course meal."

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- Damn.

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<i> - "This girl is beautiful,</i>

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<i> "ambitious, and intelligent.</i>

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<i> "We've been talking</i>
<i> for five months,</i>

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<i> "but haven't met even though</i>
<i> we live 25 minutes apart.</i>

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"I'm not trying to pat myself
on the back,

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"but I'm good-looking guy
on the Shore,

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and I usually get
what I want fairly quickly."

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- Mm.

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<i> - "I've never had a woman</i>
<i> who wasn't willing</i>

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<i> to make some time</i>
<i> to get to know me."</i>

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<i> - ♪ You can be</i>
<i> somebody to love ♪</i>

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- "It's driving me
a little crazy."

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This is it.
We talked about this.

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- This is what you gotta do.
- You want to get a guy...

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- Give them nothing.
- Give them nothing.

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"I'm not in love with her,
but I'm in lust.

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<i> And I can't get this girl</i>
<i> outta my mind."</i>

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<i> - ♪ Don't go and chase</i>
<i> all the stars ♪</i>

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<i> - "I need answers now</i>

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"because this week,
there was also some weird stuff

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"going on with her phone number
that had me concerned.

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<i> "Maybe she's telling me</i>
<i> the truth,</i>

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<i> "and her job is</i>
<i> incredibly time-consuming,</i>

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"but it's also possible
that she's a catfish.

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"I hope you'll consider
helping me out

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<i> "because I've gotta know</i>
<i> where I stand.</i>

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<i> With gratitude, Reese."</i>

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<i> - ♪ Somebody to love ♪</i>

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- Reese sounds lovely.
- He does.

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- But I get wanting something

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that's so close,
just can't have it.

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That's the--that's the best.
That's the key.

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That's the vibe
I'm on right now.

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It's called the sweet and sour.
It's what I've been coining it.

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It's like you give him
a little bit,

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and then you take it away.

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Bare minimum.

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- Yeah.
- Works every time.

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- Well, let's call him.
- Mm.

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<i> [line trills]</i>
Hello?

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- Reese, it's your boy, Nev.

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- And your girl, Kamie.

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- Hey.

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- I mean--

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- Yeah, we read your email,
and we have lots of questions.

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- But it'd be easier probably
if we just head to Jersey,

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and you can tell us
all about Jesica.

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Hopefully--I mean,
look, if she's close,

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if she lives
half an hour away from you,

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it should be easy
to make some plans.

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- Well, we'll see you
I guess tomorrow.

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- All right, Reese.
See you later, bud.

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- Bye.
- Bye.

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Lolie're taking
our asses to Asbury.

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- I made it.

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I think Kamie's
already on the flight.

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So here goes nothing.

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<i> - ♪ I'm always ready to go ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ I'm always out of control ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ Like I'm on top</i>
<i> of the world ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ I'm always ready,</i>
<i> I'm always ready ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ Come on, get ready to go ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ Come on, get ready to go ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ I'm always ready,</i>
<i> I'm always ready ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ Come on, get ready to go ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ Yeah ♪</i>

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- All right, let's do this.

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- Oh, I want you and Reese
to do,

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like, a pushup competition
to see who wins.

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- He's a professional
fitness coach.

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- Well, don't make excuses.

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- There they are.
- Oh!

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- Hello, hello.
You actually made it.

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- Wow.
- We made it.

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- You do hugs?
- Yes.

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- Yes? Awesome. Awesome.
both: Good to meet you.

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- For sure. For sure.
You do hugs, Nev?

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- Sure.
- All right. [indistinct]

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- At least
an arm wrestling competition.

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- I'm not gonna
arm wrestle this guy.

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- Well, we're gonna
find something.

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- Come on in.
- Come up with something.

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- I mean, I do some fitness,

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but I'm not gonna
challenge Reese.

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- Don't be a little punk.
[laughter]

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Wow.
- Welcome to my humble abode.

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- Let's go have a seat
and get into it.

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- Okay.

145
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Well, what drew you

146
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to this person
hitting you up on Instagram?

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- Yeah, how did it--
how did it start?

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- How did it start?

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So Jesica hit me up
on the Gram,

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and I saw her name,
I'm like, "Jesica Foxx."

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I saw her pictures,
was like, "Oh, wow.

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She's bad too."
- Okay.

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- So now I'm interested.
So we start talking.

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<i> She's from New York City.</i>
<i> Find out what she does.</i>

155
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She is 25, but she's also
a live-in nurse at 25.

156
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So I was like,
that was ambitious to me.

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You know,
not a lot of people at that age

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are pursuing their career.

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So I was like,
"Okay, that's cool."

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- Yeah.
- And then she lives in Howe.

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So Howe's only, like,
30 minutes from here.

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<i> So we was hitting it off.</i>
<i> I saw the ambition.</i>

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<i> Trying to hang out</i>
<i> and do things,</i>

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<i> but always busy.</i>

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So, you know, eventually
I'm like,

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"All right,
I wanna see this girl.

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Like, I really wanna see you.
I wanna hear your voice."

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So tried to video call.
Didn't even answer.

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But then
she actually called back,

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and I didn't answer.

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So now we're kind of playing--

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- Why didn't you answer?

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- I'm a busy person.
You know, I was--

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- Did you discuss that?

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Did you say like,
"Oh, I missed your"--

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- Yeah, yeah, like,
"Oh, missed your call."

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And I'm like, "You know,
gimme a call back."

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And then it's going back to,
"All right, I'll try,

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but I'm busy."
You know, "I'm busy again."

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Okay. Cool.

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It seem like you only get
one hour a [bleep] week,

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one hour a month.

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I don't know what that is,
right?

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- Give him just enough.

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Just enough.
Give him a little bit.

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- What's that mean?
- Just a taste.

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- We were just--we were talking
about how...

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- And then you take it away.

189
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- The best way to get a guy

190
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interested in you
is to give less.

191
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- They give nothing.
- You know what I mean? Like--

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- Nothing.
- Nothing.

193
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- All right, so she's right.
So let me tell you something

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about, like--
the more a chick gives me

195
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it's like a--
[grunts]

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- Mm-hmm.

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- Like, so that's
what's so cool about Jesica.

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Like, she wasn't sweating me.
She wasn't needy.

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I love somebody
who's so into what they doing

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that they don't--they might--
I don't wanna talk every day.

201
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I wanna actually have something
to talk about.

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This girl seems so dope,

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independent,
you know, ambitious,

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and she's a bad chick.

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Like, okay.
- Mm-hmm.

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- Does the relationship ever
leave Instagram and go to cell?

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- So--yeah.
So gave her my number.

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<i> I was like, "Hit me up.</i>

209
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<i> Let's get a little more</i>
<i> personal here."</i>

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So then she does
give me a call.

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- Your phone rings?

212
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- Once again,
my phone is on silent.

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- You missed it?

214
00:07:01,989 --> 00:07:04,222
- Missed it.
But she left a voicemail.

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- Oh.
- So now I'm like, "All right."

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You know, "Okay.
I get to hear the voice."

217
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So I like the voice,
and then I called her back,

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but she didn't answer.

219
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But something else alarmed me.

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It was a Google Voice.
- Mm...

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- So then I'm like,
"You know, what's up?

222
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<i> Why do you have</i>
<i> a Google Voice?"</i>

223
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<i> And she's like, "Well, you can</i>
<i> reach me at this number."</i>

224
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<i> So I'm lik</i>
<i> "You got two numbers?"</i>

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- Do you still have
the voicemail?

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- I can check.

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- I kind of wanna hear
what she sounds like.

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- It's right here.
- [gasps]

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- Oh.

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<i> - Hey, Reese. It's Jesica.</i>

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<i> I just wanted</i>
<i> to call and say hey.</i>

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<i> I'm having a super busy day,</i>
<i> and I hope to see you soon.</i>

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<i> Bye.</i>

234
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- She sounds normal.
- Yeah.

235
00:07:42,362 --> 00:07:43,862
- The number definitely comes
back to Washington, D.C.

236
00:07:43,931 --> 00:07:44,930
- Weird, though,
it was a D.C. number.

237
00:07:44,998 --> 00:07:46,031
- Mm-hmm.

238
00:07:46,099 --> 00:07:47,098
- So that was
the Google Voice number?

239
00:07:47,167 --> 00:07:48,300
- That's the Google Voice
number.

240
00:07:48,368 --> 00:07:49,468
But this was all within,
like, the last week.

241
00:07:49,536 --> 00:07:50,902
You know, ever since then,

242
00:07:50,971 --> 00:07:52,637
no answer on the phone,
no call on the phone.

243
00:07:52,706 --> 00:07:54,606
- But then it's interesting
that she sent a voicemail,

244
00:07:54,675 --> 00:07:55,941
but you haven't talked
to her on the phone.

245
00:07:56,009 --> 00:07:56,975
- That's right.

246
00:07:57,044 --> 00:07:58,276
- Maybe whoever
you're talking to

247
00:07:58,345 --> 00:07:59,911
if it's not the girl
in the pictures,

248
00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:01,913
put somebody else up
to being like,

249
00:08:01,982 --> 00:08:03,248
"Talk on the phone for me,"

250
00:08:03,317 --> 00:08:05,250
which suggests that
the gender of the person

251
00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:07,319
that you're talking to
does not match

252
00:08:07,387 --> 00:08:09,588
the gender of the person
in the pictures.

253
00:08:09,656 --> 00:08:10,755
- Oftentimes.

254
00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:12,224
- Or it's a voice
that you would recognize

255
00:08:12,292 --> 00:08:13,525
if you heard it.

256
00:08:13,594 --> 00:08:15,994
So what about anybody
that you, like, dated

257
00:08:16,063 --> 00:08:18,663
or wanted your attention
that you didn't give it to?

258
00:08:18,732 --> 00:08:20,298
- So I meet
a lot of different people,

259
00:08:20,367 --> 00:08:23,401
and I can't say
that somebody maybe wanted

260
00:08:23,470 --> 00:08:25,003
a second night
that didn't get one.

261
00:08:25,072 --> 00:08:26,771
- Is it fair to say that
there are some ladies out there

262
00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,139
who might say
you're a heartbreaker?

263
00:08:28,208 --> 00:08:29,774
- They can call me that
if they want,

264
00:08:29,843 --> 00:08:31,343
but I'm not sitting here
putting candy in their ear

265
00:08:31,411 --> 00:08:32,644
or telling them
what they want to hear.

266
00:08:32,713 --> 00:08:33,979
- So you're not, like,
love bombing them?

267
00:08:34,047 --> 00:08:35,013
- No.
- You're upfront?

268
00:08:35,082 --> 00:08:36,348
- You're sure?
- Yes.

269
00:08:36,416 --> 00:08:37,749
- Because we brought the ladies
from the Shore--

270
00:08:37,818 --> 00:08:38,884
ladies, come in.

271
00:08:38,952 --> 00:08:40,485
- We have two
of your exes here.

272
00:08:40,554 --> 00:08:42,821
- No.
[laughter]

273
00:08:42,890 --> 00:08:44,189
No, no.

274
00:08:44,258 --> 00:08:46,458
I feel like she's more like
a Casanova than I am.

275
00:08:46,527 --> 00:08:48,193
She knows
the right things to say.

276
00:08:48,262 --> 00:08:50,295
She's very, like, flirtatious,

277
00:08:50,364 --> 00:08:51,963
<i> and she'll tell you everything</i>
<i> you want to hear,</i>

278
00:08:52,032 --> 00:08:53,798
<i> make you really feel good</i>
<i> about yourself.</i>

279
00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:55,300
<i> Say things like, "Oh, my God,</i>

280
00:08:55,369 --> 00:08:56,635
I'm in love,"
and [bleep] like that.

281
00:08:56,703 --> 00:08:57,736
And I'm like, "Hold on."
Like, you know?

282
00:08:57,804 --> 00:08:58,703
- Wow.
- Like, for me,

283
00:08:58,772 --> 00:09:00,038
there's a lot of lust.
- Mm-hmm.

284
00:09:00,107 --> 00:09:01,873
- Sure.
- A lot of lust.

285
00:09:01,942 --> 00:09:03,508
Love is nowhere near
this equation.

286
00:09:03,577 --> 00:09:04,709
I'm not saying
that it can't be.

287
00:09:04,778 --> 00:09:06,311
- Yeah, you haven't gotten--

288
00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:07,579
you haven't had
the opportunity yet.

289
00:09:07,648 --> 00:09:09,014
- Yeah, exactly.
But I wanna meet her.

290
00:09:09,082 --> 00:09:10,315
Like, I want to see.

291
00:09:10,384 --> 00:09:11,883
Like, if Jesica's
who she says she is,

292
00:09:11,952 --> 00:09:15,053
she could be a dope candidate
for a partner.

293
00:09:15,122 --> 00:09:17,088
- I gotta see this girl.
What about pictures?

294
00:09:17,157 --> 00:09:18,356
- Oh, yeah.
All right. Let's see.

295
00:09:18,425 --> 00:09:19,658
- There you go.
- All right, here we go.

296
00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:21,993
All right.
Jesica Foxx in New York City.

297
00:09:22,062 --> 00:09:24,829
Interesting.
- Mm-hmm. Body-ody-ody.

298
00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:26,331
- Yeah, right?
- All right.

299
00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,033
So you've got two numbers
that she sent you.

300
00:09:28,101 --> 00:09:30,335
The Google Voice one that
she called you and you missed.

301
00:09:30,404 --> 00:09:31,670
- Yes.
- And then another one

302
00:09:31,738 --> 00:09:33,505
she said to try
that you tried and got nothing?

303
00:09:33,574 --> 00:09:35,173
- Yes.
- You got her Instagram.

304
00:09:35,242 --> 00:09:36,374
- Yes.

305
00:09:36,443 --> 00:09:37,809
- And then there's
no other social media

306
00:09:37,878 --> 00:09:39,244
or anything that you found
or that she shared with you?

307
00:09:39,313 --> 00:09:40,579
- No.
- Okay.

308
00:09:40,647 --> 00:09:42,714
Let us see if we can figure out
if Jesica is real,

309
00:09:42,783 --> 00:09:44,683
which would be the first step.
- Mm-hmm.

310
00:09:44,751 --> 00:09:46,685
- And if she's not real,
then what's the next step?

311
00:09:46,753 --> 00:09:48,553
- Well, then we have to decide
what you want to do.

312
00:09:48,622 --> 00:09:50,388
- Okay.
- We're gonna figure this out.

313
00:09:50,457 --> 00:09:52,057
So let's see
where this takes us.

314
00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:54,426
- Awesome. Thank you.
Thank you both.

315
00:09:54,494 --> 00:09:56,561
- Of course. Good to meet you.

316
00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:57,796
- Great to meet you as well.

317
00:09:57,864 --> 00:09:59,864
- We gotta get to the bottom.

318
00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:01,433
- I do get the sense that Reese

319
00:10:01,501 --> 00:10:04,202
is looking for something
different than what he's had.

320
00:10:04,271 --> 00:10:05,236
- Mm-hmm.

321
00:10:05,305 --> 00:10:06,738
- If all he wanted
was to get laid,

322
00:10:06,807 --> 00:10:08,206
he would've stopped talking
to this girl a long time ago.

323
00:10:08,275 --> 00:10:09,474
- Right.

324
00:10:09,543 --> 00:10:10,742
- So clearly
there's some feelings,

325
00:10:10,811 --> 00:10:12,410
though he may not fully
be aware of them,

326
00:10:12,479 --> 00:10:13,745
are pretty strong for her.

327
00:10:13,814 --> 00:10:15,780
- I wouldn't be surprised
if this is somebody

328
00:10:15,849 --> 00:10:18,516
that's seen him and they've
wanted his attention.

329
00:10:18,585 --> 00:10:21,953
<i> But why haven't you met up?</i>
<i> There has to be a reason.</i>

330
00:10:23,590 --> 00:10:25,857
<i> [upbeat music]</i>

331
00:10:25,926 --> 00:10:27,792
- Thank you, kind sir.

332
00:10:27,861 --> 00:10:30,795
- Oh, wow. This place is big.

333
00:10:30,864 --> 00:10:33,965
All right. What do we got?
Reese, handsome guy, 30.

334
00:10:34,034 --> 00:10:36,801
He's found himself
in a relationship with Jesica,

335
00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:38,470
<i> who he met through Instagram,</i>

336
00:10:38,538 --> 00:10:40,805
<i> who is one,</i>
<i> if not the only, girl</i>

337
00:10:40,874 --> 00:10:44,976
he's ever met that won't
let him get what he wants,

338
00:10:45,045 --> 00:10:46,311
and it's driving him crazy.

339
00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:47,479
- He's enamored.

340
00:10:47,547 --> 00:10:48,647
- All he's got from this girl

341
00:10:48,715 --> 00:10:50,315
is really
her Instagram account,

342
00:10:50,384 --> 00:10:53,652
one voicemail,
and a hell of a lot of mystery.

343
00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:54,853
- Yeah.
- All right.

344
00:10:54,921 --> 00:10:56,087
I got a new email from Reese.

345
00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:58,423
"Here's what I've got
for you about Jesica."

346
00:10:58,492 --> 00:10:59,824
Her name, Jesica Foxx.

347
00:10:59,893 --> 00:11:03,161
Her Instagram, which is also
Jesica Foxx [bleep].

348
00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:04,829
- It feels like a made-up name.
- It does.

349
00:11:04,898 --> 00:11:06,631
"Jesica's Google Voice number

350
00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:08,199
and the second number
she gave me."

351
00:11:08,268 --> 00:11:09,434
He sent some pictures too.

352
00:11:09,503 --> 00:11:11,036
I wonder if these are
just off her Instagrams.

353
00:11:11,104 --> 00:11:12,370
- We might as well start
with the pictures.

354
00:11:12,439 --> 00:11:13,471
- All right.

355
00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:15,807
Let's just try
a quick image search.

356
00:11:15,876 --> 00:11:17,409
No. All right.

357
00:11:17,477 --> 00:11:20,845
Here's another picture of her
standing kind of outside.

358
00:11:20,914 --> 00:11:23,348
Oh. Ooh!

359
00:11:23,417 --> 00:11:24,582
- Okay.
- We got something.

360
00:11:24,651 --> 00:11:28,153
@dedeonthebeach. What is this?

361
00:11:28,221 --> 00:11:30,755
[gasps]
Yeah!

362
00:11:30,824 --> 00:11:33,191
Got her.
Her name's Dede.

363
00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:35,093
- Mm-hmm.
- There she is.

364
00:11:35,162 --> 00:11:36,895
- Wow.
- This is definitely the girl.

365
00:11:36,963 --> 00:11:37,962
- Yeah.

366
00:11:38,031 --> 00:11:39,297
- And is she tagged and stuff?

367
00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:41,800
- Yeah. And 360,000 followers.

368
00:11:41,868 --> 00:11:43,301
- Noom New Jersey.

369
00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:46,504
Whoever Reese is talking to,
it's not this girl.

370
00:11:46,573 --> 00:11:48,339
And if she's lying
about the pictures,

371
00:11:48,408 --> 00:11:50,508
she could be lying
about everything else.

372
00:11:50,577 --> 00:11:52,143
So let's reach out to Dede,

373
00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:55,080
see if we can get her to just
give us the confirmation

374
00:11:55,148 --> 00:11:57,782
that we already basically have.

375
00:11:57,851 --> 00:11:59,951
All right, here we go.
Please...

376
00:12:00,020 --> 00:12:01,853
- Help us.
- Thanks.

377
00:12:01,922 --> 00:12:03,388
All right. What do we do next?

378
00:12:03,457 --> 00:12:04,823
- We search the numbers.

379
00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:07,792
- Ooh, let's put those numbers
into Cash App.

380
00:12:07,861 --> 00:12:10,161
- I'll do the second.
- The second one? You think so?

381
00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:13,164
- No, but the first one--
- Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah.

382
00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:17,702
[humming]
- Oh, wow.

383
00:12:17,771 --> 00:12:19,971
- Raven [bleep].

384
00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,841
Could this actually be the girl
that Reese has been talking to?

385
00:12:22,909 --> 00:12:25,810
Raven [bleep]. Hold on.
Let's search that name.

386
00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:28,847
Oh, here. Yeah. Okay.
Interesting. Real estate agent.

387
00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:30,415
- Washington D.C., Maryland.

388
00:12:30,484 --> 00:12:32,751
- Instagram account
definitely looks real.

389
00:12:32,819 --> 00:12:35,220
Good engagement.
Nice comp and pics.

390
00:12:35,288 --> 00:12:38,590
So wait, why would Raven
be catfishing Reese?

391
00:12:38,658 --> 00:12:40,191
- This girl's not catfishing.

392
00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:43,461
- But if she's not,
why would Jesica give Reese

393
00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:44,829
the real phone number

394
00:12:44,898 --> 00:12:47,966
of some other beautiful girl
who lives in D.C.?

395
00:12:48,034 --> 00:12:49,300
Let's run the number.

396
00:12:49,369 --> 00:12:52,337
- What the [bleep] is going on?

397
00:12:52,405 --> 00:12:56,241
- Yeah, Raven [bleep].
Let's see, social profiles.

398
00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:57,842
Oh, Allaboutraven.

399
00:12:57,911 --> 00:13:00,612
Okay. Okay.
Where's this taking us?

400
00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,881
Wait a second. Interesting.
- Mm...

401
00:13:02,949 --> 00:13:04,449
- This is a different page.

402
00:13:04,518 --> 00:13:07,051
- This one says she's a singer,
and she has a single on Apple.

403
00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,987
This looks
nothing like the life

404
00:13:09,055 --> 00:13:10,855
of Raven from the realty page.

405
00:13:10,924 --> 00:13:12,490
- Could this be a fake page?

406
00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,925
Let's just go
through these pics.

407
00:13:13,994 --> 00:13:16,227
Smiley heart.
A lot of heart eyes.

408
00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:17,796
But wait, someone here says,
"Cute pic.

409
00:13:17,864 --> 00:13:19,831
Let's do brunch this weekend."
Who is this?

410
00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:21,232
- Veronica.

411
00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:22,967
- Veronica [bleep].

412
00:13:23,036 --> 00:13:25,103
All right,
let's send this girl a message.

413
00:13:25,172 --> 00:13:27,071
- Hmm.
- "Hey, Veronica.

414
00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:28,206
"Nev from the show 'Catfish.'

415
00:13:28,275 --> 00:13:29,541
"We could use your help
on a case.

416
00:13:29,609 --> 00:13:30,942
Please give me a call."

417
00:13:31,011 --> 00:13:32,177
All right, so what--

418
00:13:32,245 --> 00:13:34,078
so can we just clear up
what just happened?

419
00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:35,346
I'm so--I'm kind of confused.

420
00:13:35,415 --> 00:13:36,948
The first time
we saw Raven's name

421
00:13:37,017 --> 00:13:38,683
was because the second number
that she gave Reese

422
00:13:38,752 --> 00:13:40,485
came back on Cash App
to a girl named Raven [bleep].

423
00:13:40,554 --> 00:13:42,153
Then when we searched
the number,

424
00:13:42,222 --> 00:13:44,422
it also comes up registered
to Raven [bleep].

425
00:13:44,491 --> 00:13:45,924
- Mm-hmm.

426
00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:47,926
- And it led us to an Instagram
account for Raven [bleep].

427
00:13:47,994 --> 00:13:50,328
- There's two.
There's a realty page

428
00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:52,063
that we found
by Googling her name.

429
00:13:52,132 --> 00:13:54,465
Then there's what looks
like a page for a singer...

430
00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:55,834
- Right.
- Which is connected

431
00:13:55,902 --> 00:13:58,236
to one of the phone numbers
Jesica gave Reese.

432
00:13:58,305 --> 00:13:59,737
- So could this
@allaboutraven page

433
00:13:59,806 --> 00:14:01,239
just be another fake page

434
00:14:01,308 --> 00:14:03,741
set up by whoever's behind
the Jesica page?

435
00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:05,443
[phone ringing]
Oh.

436
00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:06,678
Veronica [bleep].

437
00:14:06,746 --> 00:14:08,146
Hello, Veronica.

438
00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:12,517
- Hi, it's Nev and Kamie...
- Hi.

439
00:14:12,586 --> 00:14:14,519
- From "Catfish."
Are you on an iPhone?

440
00:14:14,588 --> 00:14:16,187
Are you comfortable
switching over to FaceTime

441
00:14:16,256 --> 00:14:18,323
just so we can be
a little bit more personal?

442
00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,094
- Let's see if that works. Hey.

443
00:14:23,163 --> 00:14:24,896
- Hi.
<i> - Hi.</i>

444
00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:26,231
- What's up?

445
00:14:26,299 --> 00:14:27,465
We're doing an episode
of the show.

446
00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:29,133
Have you seen the show?
<i> - I have.</i>

447
00:14:29,202 --> 00:14:31,536
- We are helping this guy
who's been talking

448
00:14:31,605 --> 00:14:34,105
to this girl, and we found

449
00:14:34,174 --> 00:14:37,141
a profile on Instagram,

450
00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:40,278
and you had commented
on one of the pictures.

451
00:14:40,347 --> 00:14:41,512
@allaboutraven.

452
00:14:41,581 --> 00:14:43,481
Do you know who that is,
this girl, Raven [bleep]?

453
00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:44,983
<i> - I do. Yeah.</i>

454
00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:46,317
- How do you know Raven?

455
00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:49,120
<i> - We've been friends</i>
<i> for years,</i>

456
00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:50,722
<i> colleagues,</i>

457
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:52,657
<i> and then we became</i>
<i> really good friends</i>

458
00:14:52,726 --> 00:14:54,025
<i> over the years.</i>

459
00:14:54,094 --> 00:14:56,461
- So you've met Raven
in person, in real life?

460
00:14:56,529 --> 00:14:58,796
<i> - Yeah, we are friends.</i>

461
00:14:58,865 --> 00:15:01,666
<i> We hang out. We talk.</i>

462
00:15:01,735 --> 00:15:03,568
- Got it. Okay.

463
00:15:03,637 --> 00:15:05,303
<i> - I know her.</i>
<i> We're good friends.</i>

464
00:15:05,372 --> 00:15:06,471
- Cool.

465
00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:08,139
Can we--is there
any chance you can sort of

466
00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:10,208
introduce us to her,
so that we could just chat

467
00:15:10,277 --> 00:15:12,343
with her and ask her
a couple questions?

468
00:15:12,412 --> 00:15:14,512
<i> - I mean, sure, I can have her</i>
<i> call you back later.</i>

469
00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:15,914
- We'd just love
to chat with her.

470
00:15:15,982 --> 00:15:18,082
<i> - Okay. I can do that.</i>
- All right. Great.

471
00:15:18,151 --> 00:15:19,884
Thank you so much, Veronica.
I really appreciate it.

472
00:15:19,953 --> 00:15:21,052
<i> - All right, guys.</i>

473
00:15:21,121 --> 00:15:23,254
- All right. Take care.
<i> - Okay. Bye.</i>

474
00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,893
- Come on. I think that's her.
I think that's Jesica.

475
00:15:28,962 --> 00:15:30,795
- You think so?
- Yes.

476
00:15:30,864 --> 00:15:33,197
Even her voice sort of sounded,
I think--I was like,

477
00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,666
"Is that the voice
from the voicemail?"

478
00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:36,668
- This could be her.
This could be her.

479
00:15:36,736 --> 00:15:38,069
- This could be Jesica.

480
00:15:38,138 --> 00:15:41,205
- But my question is,
if I'm catfishing Reese,

481
00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:43,408
why am I catfishing Reese
as Jesica Foxx?

482
00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:44,509
Why not use Raven?

483
00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:45,877
- Well,
because she's got a few.

484
00:15:45,946 --> 00:15:47,712
Whatever strikes her fancy.
She's got the Raven.

485
00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:49,047
She's got the Jesica.
[phone ringing]

486
00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:50,615
Uh-oh.

487
00:15:50,684 --> 00:15:52,717
Well, now we're getting
a call from Raven.

488
00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:53,885
Hello?

489
00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:57,555
- Hi. What's up? Is this Raven?

490
00:15:59,859 --> 00:16:02,727
- Hey, it's Nev from "Catfish."

491
00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:04,562
- How are you doing?

492
00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:08,433
- I guess you spoke
to Veronica.

493
00:16:10,704 --> 00:16:12,937
- We stumbled across
some profiles,

494
00:16:13,006 --> 00:16:14,872
and maybe you can help us.

495
00:16:15,342 --> 00:16:16,774
- Can you FaceTime?

496
00:16:19,779 --> 00:16:21,279
- Uh-huh. Okay.

497
00:16:21,348 --> 00:16:23,748
I don't know what to say.

498
00:16:23,817 --> 00:16:26,818
I'm gonna be honest with you.

499
00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:28,386
I think you are Veronica.

500
00:16:28,455 --> 00:16:30,655
I didn't--I think
we just spoke to you.

501
00:16:35,528 --> 00:16:38,029
- I don't wanna
be presumptuous.

502
00:16:38,098 --> 00:16:40,231
- But we're trying to track
down this girl, Jesica,

503
00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:44,402
and we've now found you
and Veronica,

504
00:16:44,471 --> 00:16:46,304
and there's, like,
a weird connection to Jesica

505
00:16:46,373 --> 00:16:47,805
that we know is fake.

506
00:16:47,874 --> 00:16:49,007
Do you know
who I'm talking about

507
00:16:49,075 --> 00:16:50,541
when I say Jesica Foxx?

508
00:17:01,521 --> 00:17:02,720
<i> [line beeps]</i>

509
00:17:02,789 --> 00:17:03,988
- I knew it was gonna happen.
- Right, so wait.

510
00:17:04,057 --> 00:17:05,256
That was totally Veronica

511
00:17:05,325 --> 00:17:06,958
just changing her voice
a little bit.

512
00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:09,093
- It's giving Veronica.
- Right.

513
00:17:09,162 --> 00:17:10,428
- And the voice cadence
was the same.

514
00:17:10,497 --> 00:17:11,863
- Sounded pretty similar.
- Yeah.

515
00:17:11,931 --> 00:17:14,832
- And of course she couldn't
FaceTime as Raven.

516
00:17:14,901 --> 00:17:15,933
- She said
she was gonna tell her

517
00:17:16,002 --> 00:17:17,268
and then call back
later tonight.

518
00:17:17,337 --> 00:17:18,669
It feels like she was panicked.
- Right.

519
00:17:18,738 --> 00:17:20,338
- And she was like,
"Let me just do it right now."

520
00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:23,341
- I mean, that has to be her.
Things are moving fast.

521
00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:25,643
We got a lot
that we need to tell Reese.

522
00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:29,347
- Reese, we got
a lot to talk about.

523
00:17:29,416 --> 00:17:30,748
Where are you?

524
00:17:33,953 --> 00:17:35,653
- Can you text us the address?

525
00:17:35,722 --> 00:17:37,188
- See you soon.
<i> - All right. See you soon.</i>

526
00:17:37,257 --> 00:17:39,791
- That one has a for sale sign.
Probably that one.

527
00:17:39,859 --> 00:17:41,793
All right. You ready?

528
00:17:41,861 --> 00:17:43,828
- Ready!

529
00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:45,363
That's--
- Oh.

530
00:17:45,432 --> 00:17:47,498
- Hello.
- What's up? What's up?

531
00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:49,133
- Hello, hello.
- There he is.

532
00:17:49,202 --> 00:17:50,735
- How are you?
- Great morning. Great morning.

533
00:17:50,804 --> 00:17:52,303
- Solid.
- Good to see you.

534
00:17:52,372 --> 00:17:53,638
- Welcome. Welcome.

535
00:17:53,706 --> 00:17:57,241
- All right.
- Suspenseful.

536
00:17:57,310 --> 00:17:59,677
I've never felt
a range of emotion like this.

537
00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:01,646
I'm, like, very anxious
right now.

538
00:18:01,714 --> 00:18:04,282
- All right, look,
this morning, we found a lot.

539
00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:05,917
So I want to go through
with you,

540
00:18:05,985 --> 00:18:08,219
explain what we found,
get your take on things,

541
00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:09,387
and go from there.

542
00:18:09,456 --> 00:18:11,055
All right,
so the first thing we did,

543
00:18:11,124 --> 00:18:12,690
we took the pictures
you sent us.

544
00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:13,791
- Yes.

545
00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,059
- And we did
a Google Image search,

546
00:18:15,128 --> 00:18:16,561
and we got a hit.

547
00:18:16,629 --> 00:18:19,997
And it took us here
to an Instagram page

548
00:18:20,066 --> 00:18:21,666
for a girl named Dede.

549
00:18:21,734 --> 00:18:23,634
So it looks like
there's another account

550
00:18:23,703 --> 00:18:25,036
for pictures with Jesica,

551
00:18:25,105 --> 00:18:28,206
but this one
goes by @dedeonthebeach.

552
00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:30,908
So we messaged her
but have not heard back.

553
00:18:30,977 --> 00:18:33,544
Has she ever mentioned anything
about the name Dede before?

554
00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:34,879
- No.

555
00:18:34,948 --> 00:18:39,016
- So as you can see,
she's got 360,000 followers,

556
00:18:39,085 --> 00:18:41,219
and she doesn't live
in New Jersey.

557
00:18:41,287 --> 00:18:43,154
- It feels like
this is the real girl.

558
00:18:43,223 --> 00:18:44,355
- Right.
- Okay.

559
00:18:44,424 --> 00:18:46,991
- This is probably
the real profile.

560
00:18:48,194 --> 00:18:50,862
- So Jesica's not Jesica.

561
00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:53,364
- Certainly starting
to look that way.

562
00:18:53,433 --> 00:18:55,399
<i> [dramatic music]</i>

563
00:18:55,468 --> 00:18:57,201
- Now, y'all, who the [bleep]
is Jesica?

564
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:58,669
- So thought, "Okay.

565
00:18:58,738 --> 00:19:00,037
"We know who the girl
in the pictures is.

566
00:19:00,106 --> 00:19:01,672
Now let's figure out
who Jesica is."

567
00:19:01,741 --> 00:19:03,141
- Okay.
- So then we thought,

568
00:19:03,209 --> 00:19:04,876
"Okay, let's run
the number in Cash App."

569
00:19:04,944 --> 00:19:06,144
- Okay.
- Okay?

570
00:19:06,212 --> 00:19:08,045
So we did that, and look.

571
00:19:08,114 --> 00:19:09,580
- There's a person.

572
00:19:09,649 --> 00:19:12,550
- There's a person with that
phone number on Cash App.

573
00:19:12,619 --> 00:19:15,353
- She kind of pretty.
- Mm-hmm. Very pretty.

574
00:19:15,421 --> 00:19:17,288
- Yeah.
- Yes. So that was weird to us.

575
00:19:17,357 --> 00:19:21,459
Like, why would "Jesica"
have a number on Cash App

576
00:19:21,528 --> 00:19:23,461
under the name Raven [bleep]?

577
00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:26,264
We searched Raven [bleep]
and found this.

578
00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:28,099
And so here's Raven's page.

579
00:19:28,168 --> 00:19:29,534
She's following
a lot of people.

580
00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:31,035
This page seems legit,

581
00:19:31,104 --> 00:19:33,304
but this girl
seems to be into real estate.

582
00:19:33,373 --> 00:19:35,907
Has Jesica ever mentioned
doing real estate?

583
00:19:35,975 --> 00:19:37,909
- No.
- Open one of the pictures.

584
00:19:37,977 --> 00:19:40,678
Do you recognize
this girl at all?

585
00:19:40,747 --> 00:19:42,180
Have you ever seen this girl?

586
00:19:42,248 --> 00:19:44,382
- No, but...
[chuckles]

587
00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:46,450
Is this who I'm talking to?

588
00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:48,085
But I wouldn't be mad
if it's Raven.

589
00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:49,987
- Well, that's what I'm saying.
Like, if it's Raven,

590
00:19:50,056 --> 00:19:53,291
why on Earth would she create
a second profile

591
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,327
for a similarly
attractive girl?

592
00:19:56,396 --> 00:19:58,696
- Yeah. That don't make sense.

593
00:19:58,765 --> 00:19:59,864
- Okay, let's go back now

594
00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:02,266
and let's look up
the number online.

595
00:20:02,335 --> 00:20:03,968
And sure enough,
when we do that,

596
00:20:04,037 --> 00:20:05,836
we get Raven [bleep].

597
00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:07,805
And it also has
an affiliated account.

598
00:20:07,874 --> 00:20:09,173
- Okay.

599
00:20:09,242 --> 00:20:12,643
- So it takes us
to a different Instagram.

600
00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:15,813
- But this one says that she's
an artist, a musical artist.

601
00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:17,114
- Yeah.
- And she has an Apple--

602
00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:18,950
- A single or an album
or something.

603
00:20:19,018 --> 00:20:21,352
When we looked through
her pictures,

604
00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:24,255
well, we found a comment
from this person, Veronica.

605
00:20:24,324 --> 00:20:26,490
It said, "Cute pic.
Let's do brunch this weekend."

606
00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:27,658
- Okay.
- All right.

607
00:20:27,727 --> 00:20:29,927
And she even replied,
"For sure, boo."

608
00:20:29,996 --> 00:20:34,265
So we messaged Veronica,
and Veronica called us.

609
00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:38,369
And she confirmed that Raven
is real and her friend.

610
00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:39,770
- We were like,
"You know her in person?"

611
00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:41,072
She's like, "Yeah."

612
00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:42,873
- And we said,
"We'd love to talk to Raven.

613
00:20:42,942 --> 00:20:44,976
Can you let her know
we'd like to speak to her?"

614
00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:46,711
She said, "Yeah, absolutely.
I'll call.

615
00:20:46,779 --> 00:20:49,247
As soon as we hang up,
I'll have her call you."

616
00:20:49,315 --> 00:20:51,515
We hang up, we're talking
about how weird that was,

617
00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:54,185
because Veronica sounded
really similar

618
00:20:54,254 --> 00:20:56,120
to the voicemail you got--
yeah--

619
00:20:56,189 --> 00:20:58,889
and then not a minute
or two later, my phone rings.

620
00:20:58,958 --> 00:21:01,392
The screen says...
- Raven [bleep].

621
00:21:01,461 --> 00:21:02,693
- Raven [bleep].
- Okay.

622
00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:04,662
- It sounded
exactly like Veronica,

623
00:21:04,731 --> 00:21:07,265
just with a little higher pitch
in her voice.

624
00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:08,899
- Is Veronica Raven?

625
00:21:08,968 --> 00:21:10,534
- And so I'm like,
"This is ridiculous."

626
00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:12,103
- He couldn't do it.
- So I said--I was like,

627
00:21:12,171 --> 00:21:13,537
"Look, I gotta be honest
with you.

628
00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:15,539
"I'm pretty sure
you're full of [bleep],

629
00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:18,175
and that you are actually just
Veronica and we just spoke."

630
00:21:18,244 --> 00:21:20,544
- And she was like, "What?"
- And then...

631
00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:21,846
- She was like,

632
00:21:21,914 --> 00:21:24,348
"I didn't want it
to come out like this.

633
00:21:24,417 --> 00:21:27,018
I have to go."
Hung up the phone.

634
00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:30,021
- So she kind of admitted
that I was right.

635
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:33,724
So it looks like Veronica,
the woman that we FaceTimed

636
00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:35,726
and saw, is Raven.

637
00:21:35,795 --> 00:21:38,062
And that second page
we found for Raven,

638
00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:40,431
which is connected
to Jesica's phone number,

639
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:43,701
is actually a fake page
created by Veronica.

640
00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:45,936
So if she's Raven...

641
00:21:46,005 --> 00:21:47,405
- Then she has to be Jesica.

642
00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:48,906
- Then she also
has to be Jesica,

643
00:21:48,975 --> 00:21:50,741
because Jesica's numbers
come back to Raven.

644
00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:52,543
- [bleep] that.
- Which is crazy

645
00:21:52,612 --> 00:21:54,478
'cause that means that she's
got a lot of fake profiles,

646
00:21:54,547 --> 00:21:56,514
possibly more
than even what we found.

647
00:21:56,582 --> 00:21:57,948
- Yeah.
- But, like,

648
00:21:58,017 --> 00:21:59,917
not only does she have
the fake profiles for Raven,

649
00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:02,320
she's also got her phone
numbers registered to Raven.

650
00:22:02,388 --> 00:22:04,021
Like, she's really--
- How is that possible?

651
00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:05,389
I was thinking that.
Like, you can do that?

652
00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,725
- Raven's, like,
her main account.

653
00:22:07,794 --> 00:22:10,294
Jesica's, like,
one of her side hustles.

654
00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:11,595
- How many other people
she catfishing?

655
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,331
- I mean, yeah, there might be
a bunch of people

656
00:22:13,399 --> 00:22:16,133
who think they're talking
to Jesica or Raven.

657
00:22:16,202 --> 00:22:17,368
- Yeah.

658
00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:18,936
This is the weirdest [bleep]
in the world.

659
00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:21,472
- This is, like, a deeper thing

660
00:22:21,541 --> 00:22:23,274
than just somebody
talking to you

661
00:22:23,343 --> 00:22:24,675
because they have a crush
on you.

662
00:22:24,744 --> 00:22:27,712
Like, who knows how deep
this really goes?

663
00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:30,514
- All right, so at this point,
we know for sure

664
00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:31,849
the girl in the pictures
that you think

665
00:22:31,918 --> 00:22:32,983
is Jesica is someone else.

666
00:22:33,052 --> 00:22:35,219
- Yes.
- It also looks like the person

667
00:22:35,288 --> 00:22:37,955
you're talking to
might be Veronica,

668
00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:41,292
and that she might even have
other fake profiles.

669
00:22:41,361 --> 00:22:43,494
The key to this
is probably Veronica.

670
00:22:43,563 --> 00:22:44,962
So that's where we're at.

671
00:22:45,031 --> 00:22:48,766
- But how do we do this now?
- Let me text Raven now.

672
00:22:48,835 --> 00:22:52,002
"Veronica/Raven, hey.
Just following up.

673
00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:53,804
"I know yesterday
when we talked,

674
00:22:53,873 --> 00:22:56,040
"you were hesitant to say
what was going on,

675
00:22:56,109 --> 00:23:01,078
but I want to see
if you're ready to talk."

676
00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:02,313
- Mm-hmm.
<i> [text whooshes]</i>

677
00:23:02,382 --> 00:23:04,215
<i> [tense music]</i>

678
00:23:04,283 --> 00:23:06,951
- Ooh, that's a lot.

679
00:23:07,019 --> 00:23:09,520
- We've sent our message.
So sit tight.

680
00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:11,188
Hopefully we'll hear something,

681
00:23:11,257 --> 00:23:13,324
at the very latest,
by tomorrow morning.

682
00:23:13,393 --> 00:23:15,626
- Okay. Cool.

683
00:23:15,695 --> 00:23:17,828
- Cool.
- Thank you. Appreciate you.

684
00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:19,730
- Alrighty.
- Thank you so much.

685
00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:21,532
Appreciate you.
Thank you.

686
00:23:21,601 --> 00:23:22,967
- Yeah, man.
- See you soon.

687
00:23:23,035 --> 00:23:25,770
- Yes. Thank you.

688
00:23:26,606 --> 00:23:29,807
- Do you think we're gonna hear
back from Veronica or Raven

689
00:23:29,876 --> 00:23:32,676
at all, today, soon, when?

690
00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:34,145
- I mean--
- Is it gonna happen?

691
00:23:34,213 --> 00:23:36,680
- I would hope so,
but I think whoever this is,

692
00:23:36,749 --> 00:23:38,249
they just need
a little bit more time.

693
00:23:38,317 --> 00:23:40,251
I'm willing to give them
a little bit more time,

694
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:43,921
but it feels like
they are ready to come clean.

695
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:46,924
- Well, I think they realize,
like, the time is up.

696
00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:49,126
Okay.

697
00:23:49,195 --> 00:23:53,164
Sitting here,
chilling in my room.

698
00:23:53,232 --> 00:23:56,634
It's, like, 10:15 p.m.,

699
00:23:56,702 --> 00:24:00,571
and I just finally got a text.

700
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,674
"Hey, it's Raven.
Can you talk?"

701
00:24:03,743 --> 00:24:06,343
Oh, boy. Calling Kamie.

702
00:24:06,412 --> 00:24:07,545
[clears throat]

703
00:24:07,613 --> 00:24:09,647
<i> [line trills]</i>

704
00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:12,650
- Hey. You in bed?

705
00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:16,620
- Well, I just got a text.

706
00:24:17,023 --> 00:24:18,422
- I'm just gonna
come down there.

707
00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:20,991
- All right.
I'll see you in a second.

708
00:24:24,697 --> 00:24:25,729
- All right. Let's go.

709
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,699
<i> [tense music]</i>

710
00:24:28,768 --> 00:24:30,067
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

711
00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:32,636
I'm on, like,
the complete opposite end.

712
00:24:32,705 --> 00:24:35,506
- Good. Get your workout.
Reese will be proud.

713
00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:37,308
- All right.
So let's text Raven back.

714
00:24:37,376 --> 00:24:38,442
"Hey, Raven."

715
00:24:38,511 --> 00:24:39,543
- Did you come over
with no shoes?

716
00:24:39,612 --> 00:24:41,245
- Yeah.
What am I wearing shoes for?

717
00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:43,981
- Oh, my God.
- "Yes, I can talk."

718
00:24:45,751 --> 00:24:48,486
[phone ringing]
Oh. Oh. Oh, Washington, D.C.

719
00:24:48,554 --> 00:24:50,087
But it says spam risk,
which is kind of weird.

720
00:24:50,156 --> 00:24:51,755
- 'Cause she is a spam risk.
- Oh, 'cause it's Google.

721
00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:52,857
Hello?

722
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:55,526
- Hi. Raven, right? Hey.

723
00:24:56,629 --> 00:24:57,661
- How you doing?

724
00:25:02,368 --> 00:25:05,769
- Okay. So you know Reese?

725
00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:09,306
Reese has been talking
to Jesica, and that is you?

726
00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:11,208
You've been Jesica?

727
00:25:15,648 --> 00:25:17,314
- Is that the gist of it?

728
00:25:18,150 --> 00:25:19,383
- I'm happy you called.

729
00:25:19,452 --> 00:25:22,586
We'd love to get you and Reese
in the same room,

730
00:25:22,655 --> 00:25:23,888
clear the air,

731
00:25:23,956 --> 00:25:26,490
and hopefully find
some sort of path forward.

732
00:25:35,735 --> 00:25:37,668
- Okay.

733
00:25:37,737 --> 00:25:39,870
<i> - I just want him to be...</i>

734
00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:54,218
- What the hell does she mean
by kinky?

735
00:25:54,287 --> 00:25:57,555
- Yeah, I mean, look, I haven't
known Reese very long,

736
00:25:57,623 --> 00:26:01,025
but he's very open-minded
and, like, open-hearted.

737
00:26:01,093 --> 00:26:03,727
And he wants to speak to you.

738
00:26:03,796 --> 00:26:06,163
So what's the reality

739
00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:09,934
of trying to get you
to meet up with us tomorrow?

740
00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:17,007
- Okay, we'll talk to you
in the morning,

741
00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:20,444
then you can tell us where
and when is convenient to meet.

742
00:26:22,048 --> 00:26:23,948
- Okay. Thanks, Raven. Bye.

743
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:27,217
- What kind of show
you got me on, Nev?

744
00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:30,654
- What kind of show
you got me on, Nev?

745
00:26:30,723 --> 00:26:32,356
- Kinky?
- What does she mean?

746
00:26:32,425 --> 00:26:33,791
- I don't know.

747
00:26:33,859 --> 00:26:35,492
- But also, like--okay.
Judgment-free zone.

748
00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:36,727
- Sure.
- Sure.

749
00:26:36,796 --> 00:26:38,329
She trying
to walk him like a dog?

750
00:26:38,397 --> 00:26:40,130
'Cause I can't promise
that he's gonna be into that.

751
00:26:40,199 --> 00:26:41,665
- Yeah, I don't think
she felt comfortable saying

752
00:26:41,734 --> 00:26:42,967
whatever she wanted to say
to us.

753
00:26:43,035 --> 00:26:44,568
- I don't know
what she wanted to say,

754
00:26:44,637 --> 00:26:46,203
but I don't know
if it's appropriate for MTV.

755
00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:47,471
- You kidding me?

756
00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:49,206
Have you seen any other shows
on this channel?

757
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:51,675
- True.
- All right. Let's call Reese.

758
00:26:51,744 --> 00:26:53,043
<i> [line trills]</i>

759
00:26:53,613 --> 00:26:56,347
- We just got off
the phone with Raven.

760
00:26:58,818 --> 00:27:00,985
- Well, it's hard to say.

761
00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:04,755
But she admitted
that she is Jesica.

762
00:27:04,824 --> 00:27:07,024
I said, "Well, can you meet us
in Jersey tomorrow?

763
00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:08,559
'Cause I know Reese
would like to meet you."

764
00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:10,227
And she's like,
"Yeah, I think I can do that,

765
00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:14,765
but I want you to tell him
to keep an open-mind."

766
00:27:14,834 --> 00:27:16,934
And then it got really weird,
'cause she was like,

767
00:27:17,003 --> 00:27:20,170
"Well, I'm into
some kinky stuff."

768
00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:26,076
- She definitely has more
to share,

769
00:27:26,145 --> 00:27:27,711
but she wouldn't do it
over the phone.

770
00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:29,213
- She said--

771
00:27:30,583 --> 00:27:34,118
- She said she could
meet us tomorrow.

772
00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:36,420
So in the morning, she said,
"Text me."

773
00:27:36,489 --> 00:27:39,523
And that she'll meet us
somewhere around Asbury Park.

774
00:27:39,592 --> 00:27:42,393
So look, we'll just come over
to your place in the morning,

775
00:27:42,461 --> 00:27:45,963
and hopefully she's given us
somewhere to meet by then.

776
00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:47,865
- All right. Good night.
- Bye.

777
00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:51,035
- Kinky [bleep].

778
00:27:51,103 --> 00:27:52,436
- Let's spend
the rest of our evening

779
00:27:52,505 --> 00:27:55,973
trying to imagine
what "kinky" could mean

780
00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:57,241
for Raven, all right?

781
00:27:57,309 --> 00:27:58,742
- I don't want to.
- Just think about it.

782
00:27:58,811 --> 00:28:00,277
- She's gonna bring
a dog collar.

783
00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:02,079
- Let me just--
- [bleep] creep.

784
00:28:02,148 --> 00:28:03,947
She's going to walk him
like a dog.

785
00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:05,616
- Take your socks off.
- Get the [bleep]--

786
00:28:05,685 --> 00:28:06,917
no free feet.

787
00:28:06,986 --> 00:28:09,887
- Show me your feet.
- No free feet.

788
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:14,825
<i> [tense music]</i>

789
00:28:14,894 --> 00:28:16,960
- All right, Raven says
she'll meet us today.

790
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:17,995
- Mm-hmm.

791
00:28:18,064 --> 00:28:19,997
- Is she calling a kink
this idea

792
00:28:20,066 --> 00:28:21,398
that she likes to, like,
you know--

793
00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:23,634
essentially is cat--
can catfishing be a kink?

794
00:28:23,703 --> 00:28:26,136
- There probably is a whole
Reddit forum about this.

795
00:28:26,205 --> 00:28:28,138
- Right,
people who just love...

796
00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:29,673
- Catfishing for kinks.

797
00:28:29,742 --> 00:28:32,309
- Getting off talking to people
as, like, hot other people.

798
00:28:32,378 --> 00:28:33,577
All right.

799
00:28:33,646 --> 00:28:36,146
Well, let's find out
what's really going on.

800
00:28:36,215 --> 00:28:37,381
- Mm-hmm.
- All right.

801
00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:39,450
So let's check in with Raven.

802
00:28:39,518 --> 00:28:42,486
- That's not her name.
- "Good morning, Raven.

803
00:28:42,555 --> 00:28:46,857
"Excited to meet up today.

804
00:28:46,926 --> 00:28:52,062
Let me know when
and where is good for you."

805
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:57,034
- Everybody has kinks.
You're lying if you don't.

806
00:28:57,103 --> 00:28:58,602
And the people who say
that they don't,

807
00:28:58,671 --> 00:29:00,537
they're just too afraid
to admit.

808
00:29:00,606 --> 00:29:02,106
[phone dings]
[gasps]

809
00:29:02,174 --> 00:29:03,273
- Ooh. It's Raven.

810
00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:05,375
- Uh-huh.
- "Good morning.

811
00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:07,377
"If Reese is cool
with what we talked about,

812
00:29:07,446 --> 00:29:09,947
we can meet
at Turkey Swamp Park."

813
00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:14,017
I said, "That's great news.
I'll see you then."

814
00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:15,586
- All right.
- [sighs]

815
00:29:15,654 --> 00:29:17,421
- Let us go.

816
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:20,891
- I mean, you know what?
I'm gonna put it in S.

817
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,392
- Why?
- Feeling sporty.

818
00:29:22,461 --> 00:29:24,294
- Oh, wow.
- I got the sport jacket.

819
00:29:24,363 --> 00:29:25,562
Putting it in S today.

820
00:29:25,631 --> 00:29:28,165
I wish there was a K for kinky.

821
00:29:28,234 --> 00:29:29,833
Just throw it to kink mode.

822
00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:32,836
<i> [upbeat music]</i>

823
00:29:32,905 --> 00:29:35,272
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

824
00:29:35,341 --> 00:29:36,974
[doorbell chimes]

825
00:29:37,042 --> 00:29:38,442
- Okay. Good morning.

826
00:29:38,511 --> 00:29:40,344
- Great morning.
- Great, great morning.

827
00:29:40,412 --> 00:29:42,146
- Yes.
- Great morning.

828
00:29:42,214 --> 00:29:43,447
- Yes. Yes.

829
00:29:43,516 --> 00:29:44,815
- A front seat for you.

830
00:29:44,884 --> 00:29:47,684
- Oh, you too. Okay. Awesome.
Awesome. Thank you.

831
00:29:47,753 --> 00:29:50,087
- This whole kinky thing
has me totally thrown.

832
00:29:50,156 --> 00:29:53,257
Has Jesica ever alluded to
or tried

833
00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,659
to get kinky with you via DMs?

834
00:29:55,728 --> 00:29:57,694
Has she ever, like--
- Oh, like some nasty talk?

835
00:29:57,763 --> 00:29:58,996
- Yeah. Or anything.
- Oh, yeah, yeah.

836
00:29:59,064 --> 00:30:00,564
- Oh, she has?
- Yes, nasty talk. Yes.

837
00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:02,166
- Alluding to sex for sure.
- Yes.

838
00:30:02,234 --> 00:30:03,867
- But nothing like,
"I'm gonna"...

839
00:30:03,936 --> 00:30:05,335
- Walk you like a dog.

840
00:30:05,404 --> 00:30:07,638
- "Wrap your feet in bacon
and, like, put whipped cream

841
00:30:07,706 --> 00:30:09,640
up in your butt [bleep]."
Nothing like that, right?

842
00:30:09,708 --> 00:30:10,908
- Nah, no whipped cream
in my butt [bleep].

843
00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:12,176
- Okay. Well, I don't know.

844
00:30:12,244 --> 00:30:13,510
- Nah, nah.
- Not yet.

845
00:30:13,579 --> 00:30:14,611
- The point is, we don't know

846
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:15,779
what the hell
we're going to find.

847
00:30:15,848 --> 00:30:17,014
- No, no.

848
00:30:17,082 --> 00:30:18,582
- But I think it is good
to keep an open mind.

849
00:30:18,651 --> 00:30:19,783
- I have been.

850
00:30:19,852 --> 00:30:21,885
My whole night,
I've been preparing myself

851
00:30:21,954 --> 00:30:25,823
with every possibility
and being okay.

852
00:30:25,891 --> 00:30:28,125
<i> [dramatic music]</i>

853
00:30:28,194 --> 00:30:30,994
- All right. Here we are.

854
00:30:31,063 --> 00:30:35,065
- I don't think I've ever felt
this much suspense in my life.

855
00:30:35,134 --> 00:30:37,034
- I don't like the vibes here.

856
00:30:38,304 --> 00:30:40,270
- Why do I feel like
I'm in a horror movie?

857
00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:43,874
- Well,
there's other parked cars.

858
00:30:43,943 --> 00:30:45,075
Do you see anything?

859
00:30:45,144 --> 00:30:46,443
- No. Where do we go?

860
00:30:46,512 --> 00:30:48,145
- And I guess we could
just poke around, right?

861
00:30:48,214 --> 00:30:50,280
I think we should
just check it out.

862
00:30:53,118 --> 00:30:55,819
- I see somebody over there.
- Where?

863
00:30:55,888 --> 00:30:57,187
- Straight ahead. Over there.

864
00:30:57,256 --> 00:30:59,389
Right behind these poles.
- Oh.

865
00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:01,792
You see it?
- Oh, oh. Oh, yeah.

866
00:31:01,861 --> 00:31:02,793
- See? How do we go to the--

867
00:31:02,862 --> 00:31:03,861
- Okay.
- Is that her?

868
00:31:03,929 --> 00:31:05,429
- I guess we have to go
this way.

869
00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:06,463
- [gas

870
00:31:06,532 --> 00:31:08,031
This is freaking me
th[blee ] out.

871
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,033
- Oh, I think--that looks like
a girl, right?

872
00:31:10,102 --> 00:31:12,302
- Yeah.
- It kind of looks like--

873
00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:14,037
it's shaped like Jesica.

874
00:31:14,106 --> 00:31:16,373
They hiding?

875
00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:20,644
- This is probably our Raven.
- Uh-huh.

876
00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:24,147
- All right.
My heart is pounding right now.

877
00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:27,651
<i> [suspenseful music]</i>

878
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,852
- Hello.

879
00:31:28,921 --> 00:31:32,356
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

880
00:31:32,424 --> 00:31:33,991
Raven?

881
00:31:34,059 --> 00:31:35,359
- Oh, [bleep].

882
00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:38,262
- Raven?

883
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:42,132
<i> [dramatic music]</i>

884
00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:44,368
- Oh, [bleep].
I've seen that person before.

885
00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:45,836
- How are you?
- How you doing? Nev.

886
00:31:45,905 --> 00:31:46,937
- Good. Nice to meet you.

887
00:31:47,006 --> 00:31:48,138
- Nice to meet you too.

888
00:31:48,207 --> 00:31:49,373
- You know them?
- Yeah.

889
00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:51,375
I think I seen that person.
- Really?

890
00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:53,243
- Real familiar.
- Really?

891
00:31:53,312 --> 00:31:55,512
- Real familiar. Yes.

892
00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:57,447
- Let's go talk to them.

893
00:31:57,516 --> 00:32:00,784
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

894
00:32:00,853 --> 00:32:02,386
- Hello.

895
00:32:02,454 --> 00:32:04,788
- Hello.
- Hi. How are you?

896
00:32:04,857 --> 00:32:05,923
- Good. How are you?

897
00:32:05,991 --> 00:32:07,057
- I'm Kamie.

898
00:32:07,126 --> 00:32:08,258
- I'm Remy.
- Nice to meet you.

899
00:32:08,327 --> 00:32:09,293
- What'd you say your name was?

900
00:32:09,361 --> 00:32:10,661
- Remy.
both: Remy?

901
00:32:10,729 --> 00:32:12,896
- Okay.
And obviously, this is Reese.

902
00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:14,164
- Hello.
- What's up?

903
00:32:14,233 --> 00:32:15,632
- Hello, Reese.

904
00:32:15,701 --> 00:32:18,869
- Are you from--where you from?
- I'm from Jersey.

905
00:32:18,938 --> 00:32:20,437
- You from Jersey?
- Do you know Remy?

906
00:32:20,506 --> 00:32:22,673
- He's real familiar?
Do you--have you seen me?

907
00:32:22,741 --> 00:32:23,840
Do you know me?

908
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:25,175
How do you know me?
- Yeah.

909
00:32:26,812 --> 00:32:28,545
- At the club.

910
00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,113
- Me, you, and my girl.

911
00:32:30,182 --> 00:32:31,915
- Oh.
- Okay.

912
00:32:31,984 --> 00:32:34,651
- So before you started
talking to him?

913
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,354
- Correct. He just came to us.
Well, we walked to the bar.

914
00:32:37,423 --> 00:32:39,823
He came, walked up to us,
and he introduced himself.

915
00:32:39,892 --> 00:32:43,727
Very nice. Offered us drinks.
So we just all had a good time.

916
00:32:43,796 --> 00:32:45,062
- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.

917
00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:46,430
- Just because we have
such a good time,

918
00:32:46,498 --> 00:32:48,198
I just wanted
to get to know him more.

919
00:32:48,267 --> 00:32:50,600
And also because I just think
he's very attractive.

920
00:32:50,669 --> 00:32:53,036
- I mean, I do have
a lot of gay friends,

921
00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:54,504
but I'm not bisexual.

922
00:32:54,573 --> 00:32:56,573
I am straight.

923
00:32:56,642 --> 00:33:00,210
- So did you then immediately
create a Jesica profile,

924
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:01,845
or did you already
have the Jesica profile?

925
00:33:01,914 --> 00:33:03,747
- No, I already had
the Jesica profile.

926
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:05,449
- So do you do this
to other people?

927
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:06,850
- Well, I only do this
to people

928
00:33:06,919 --> 00:33:09,186
that I'm attracted to,
and it's not catfishing.

929
00:33:09,254 --> 00:33:10,954
It's more like
just getting to know them

930
00:33:11,023 --> 00:33:13,523
to protect myself
and my identity.

931
00:33:13,592 --> 00:33:15,258
And once I get to know them,

932
00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:18,462
if they're down to be
with another guy,

933
00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:21,198
then I speak
to the person as me.

934
00:33:21,266 --> 00:33:23,433
But Jesica is just more
to get to know the person.

935
00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:25,469
- Sure. Okay.

936
00:33:25,537 --> 00:33:26,937
- Just for that.

937
00:33:27,006 --> 00:33:28,905
- I wanna--there's more
to talk about there,

938
00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:31,541
but before we get too far
into that,

939
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:32,909
what's up with Raven?

940
00:33:32,978 --> 00:33:35,545
Is that also a profile
of yours?

941
00:33:35,614 --> 00:33:37,280
- No, that's actually
a friend of mine.

942
00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:39,449
- But Raven called us
last night.

943
00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:40,584
That wasn't you?

944
00:33:40,652 --> 00:33:41,651
- No, but you said
you were Raven.

945
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,086
- No, that was Raven,
my friend.

946
00:33:43,155 --> 00:33:45,288
- Wait, but when you texted me
this morning,

947
00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:46,723
you said, "Hey, it's Raven."

948
00:33:46,792 --> 00:33:49,126
- That was Raven.
- That was actually Raven?

949
00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:50,560
- Yes, Raven is real.
She's my friend.

950
00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:52,429
- So Raven--I was texting
with Raven

951
00:33:52,498 --> 00:33:53,897
and made plans
to meet you here,

952
00:33:53,966 --> 00:33:55,399
and then she told you that?

953
00:33:55,467 --> 00:33:56,566
- Correct.

954
00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:58,568
- So we haven't
actually texted?

955
00:33:58,637 --> 00:34:01,471
Why were you giving
Raven's number to Reese?

956
00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:02,806
- So that he can speak
to my friend.

957
00:34:02,875 --> 00:34:04,174
- So I could talk to a girl?

958
00:34:04,243 --> 00:34:06,176
- So Raven called him?
- Yes.

959
00:34:06,245 --> 00:34:09,146
- And left him that voicemail?
- That's--this [bleep] is wild.

960
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:11,348
- But then at some point
in talking to Reese,

961
00:34:11,417 --> 00:34:14,151
you knew
that he was heterosexual

962
00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:16,319
and only interested
in talking to women.

963
00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:19,423
And you were then trying
to catfish him

964
00:34:19,491 --> 00:34:21,658
and fool him into thinking
that he was talking to a girl

965
00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:25,162
by enlisting your girl friend
to call him on the phone.

966
00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:29,199
- No, that was actually
just to keep the role going.

967
00:34:29,268 --> 00:34:32,536
So untilotthe question,
which I never got ,

968
00:34:32,604 --> 00:34:33,870
I was taking it slow.

969
00:34:33,939 --> 00:34:35,305
- Okay.
- I never got to that question.

970
00:34:35,374 --> 00:34:36,807
- But you have in the past

971
00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:38,108
with other guys
that you've talked to...

972
00:34:38,177 --> 00:34:39,509
- Yes.
- And asked,

973
00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:42,446
"Hey, would you ever think
about seeing a guy?"

974
00:34:42,514 --> 00:34:44,114
And in some cases,
they said, "Yes"?

975
00:34:44,183 --> 00:34:45,449
- Yes.

976
00:34:45,517 --> 00:34:47,684
- In which case you'd say,
"Oh, this is really me,"

977
00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:49,653
or, "Oh,
you should meet my friend"?

978
00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:51,855
- No, then I'll be like,
"Okay, well I have a friend,"

979
00:34:51,924 --> 00:34:53,223
and then I send the picture.

980
00:34:53,292 --> 00:34:54,891
- So you never admitted
that you were Jesica.

981
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,493
You just sort of
shuffled them into--

982
00:34:56,562 --> 00:34:57,961
- Correct. Correct.

983
00:34:58,030 --> 00:35:00,564
- Okay. Interesting. Okay.
So, I mean, it is catfishing.

984
00:35:00,632 --> 00:35:01,898
- It is.
- Right.

985
00:35:01,967 --> 00:35:03,800
And you know that's not okay.
- Yeah.

986
00:35:03,869 --> 00:35:06,536
But in a way of, like,
just to find out

987
00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:07,838
what type of person they are.

988
00:35:07,906 --> 00:35:10,240
- But wouldn't it be faster
just to message them

989
00:35:10,309 --> 00:35:11,575
as you and say, like,

990
00:35:11,643 --> 00:35:13,043
"Hey, it was so nice
meeting you.

991
00:35:13,112 --> 00:35:14,978
Thanks for the drinks.
I had a nice time.

992
00:35:15,047 --> 00:35:16,847
Would love to do it again."
- I never said I didn't--

993
00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:18,315
I didn't never say
I didn't do that.

994
00:35:18,383 --> 00:35:20,050
I do do that.
- Oh, okay.

995
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:21,551
- But the ones that I don't add

996
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,053
is the one
that I'm sketchy about.

997
00:35:23,122 --> 00:35:24,354
The ones I'm sketchy about,

998
00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:26,823
then I find out
through Jesica first.

999
00:35:26,892 --> 00:35:29,192
I don't wanna put myself
on the spot where I'm afraid

1000
00:35:29,261 --> 00:35:32,329
because of the fact
that these people

1001
00:35:32,397 --> 00:35:34,464
are hanging out
in the spots that I go to.

1002
00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:37,868
So I'm protecting myself,
my identity.

1003
00:35:37,936 --> 00:35:40,537
- Have you had any experiences
with guys

1004
00:35:40,606 --> 00:35:42,439
that you were interested in
that were negative?

1005
00:35:42,508 --> 00:35:43,773
Were you--

1006
00:35:43,842 --> 00:35:45,542
- That's why I use Jesica,
because I have.

1007
00:35:45,611 --> 00:35:46,910
They started getting nasty.

1008
00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:48,512
Like, "I will [bleep] you up."

1009
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:51,148
That's when I started
using her to protect myself.

1010
00:35:51,216 --> 00:35:53,250
- Mm-hmm.
- But why not make

1011
00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:56,887
a fake Instagram of a guy
and DM them

1012
00:35:56,955 --> 00:35:58,922
and see
if they'll talk to a guy?

1013
00:36:00,993 --> 00:36:02,259
- Okay.
- Yeah.

1014
00:36:02,327 --> 00:36:04,561
- A guy that's on the DL
is not gonna tell another man,

1015
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:06,263
especially on Instagram,
that they're gay.

1016
00:36:06,331 --> 00:36:09,232
- Interesting.
I mean, look, it's come up

1017
00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:11,701
on the show
once or twice before.

1018
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:14,771
- Mm-hmm.
- The delicate dance...

1019
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,072
- 'Cause it's definitely
delicate.

1020
00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:19,509
- Of a gay man
who's interested in men

1021
00:36:19,578 --> 00:36:21,144
who you think present
as straight

1022
00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:23,113
who are also into guys.

1023
00:36:23,182 --> 00:36:26,883
And trying to find
those guys is tricky.

1024
00:36:27,686 --> 00:36:31,154
- Is this the kink
that Raven was referring to?

1025
00:36:31,223 --> 00:36:32,556
- Yes.

1026
00:36:32,624 --> 00:36:34,791
- Any kink is fine as long
as it doesn't hurt anyone,

1027
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:36,259
and it's consensual,

1028
00:36:36,328 --> 00:36:38,261
but the kink
that you seem to have

1029
00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:39,930
does not seem to be consensual.

1030
00:36:39,998 --> 00:36:41,498
- How?
- It's not consensual

1031
00:36:41,567 --> 00:36:44,067
if you're trying to lure men in
with a picture of a girl,

1032
00:36:44,136 --> 00:36:46,136
and then coercing them
to hook up with you.

1033
00:36:46,205 --> 00:36:47,571
- The thing is, once I know

1034
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:49,005
that they're straight,
it's over.

1035
00:36:49,074 --> 00:36:50,807
I'm not forcing anyone.
I'm not trying to turn anyone.

1036
00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:52,142
I'm not saying like,
"Oh, let's hang out

1037
00:36:52,211 --> 00:36:53,410
"with my girlfriend.
Let's get drunk

1038
00:36:53,478 --> 00:36:55,145
and see if I can turn him."
No. It's over.

1039
00:36:55,214 --> 00:36:56,680
- But Reese isn't bi.

1040
00:36:56,748 --> 00:36:58,315
So your read on him
was way off.

1041
00:36:58,383 --> 00:37:00,784
- Right.
- I guess the question is,

1042
00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:03,620
how long were you planning
on doing this with Reese?

1043
00:37:03,689 --> 00:37:06,022
Like, how long does it
usually take you to gauge

1044
00:37:06,091 --> 00:37:09,025
where the guys are at
that you're talking to?

1045
00:37:09,094 --> 00:37:11,328
- Usually within, like, a week.
Depending on the person,

1046
00:37:11,396 --> 00:37:12,462
within, like, a week or two.
- So quick.

1047
00:37:12,531 --> 00:37:13,964
- Very quick.
- So it did--

1048
00:37:14,032 --> 00:37:15,332
- With Reese,
I couldn't be that quick,

1049
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,000
because I just don't want him
to think she was fake.

1050
00:37:17,069 --> 00:37:18,468
I want him to think
that she was real,

1051
00:37:18,537 --> 00:37:20,136
so that when I got
to that question,

1052
00:37:20,205 --> 00:37:22,505
his answer will be honest.

1053
00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:24,174
- That's the problem, though.

1054
00:37:24,243 --> 00:37:27,310
You let this go on for months,
leading him on the whole time.

1055
00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:28,511
That's not okay.

1056
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,313
You have got to stop
doing this.

1057
00:37:30,382 --> 00:37:32,482
- I know. I'm sorry.

1058
00:37:32,551 --> 00:37:34,884
- You deserve to be
with somebody who is not afraid

1059
00:37:34,953 --> 00:37:37,053
to be with you
from your own page.

1060
00:37:37,122 --> 00:37:39,623
You deserve to be with somebody
who is just as proud

1061
00:37:39,691 --> 00:37:42,025
to be with you
as you are to be with them.

1062
00:37:42,094 --> 00:37:45,195
And you shouldn't have to cower
behind any kind of fake page

1063
00:37:45,264 --> 00:37:49,332
to get interest from someone.

1064
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,234
But I think that
through a little bit more,

1065
00:37:51,303 --> 00:37:53,203
we c finanbetter ways
for you to protect yourself.

1066
00:37:53,272 --> 00:37:54,638
- Yes.

1067
00:37:54,706 --> 00:37:57,140
- I mean, honestly,
the way you're explaining it,

1068
00:37:57,209 --> 00:37:59,976
at first when I saw you,
I was really upset.

1069
00:38:00,045 --> 00:38:03,146
Like, [bleep], like,
"This is what I didn't want."

1070
00:38:03,215 --> 00:38:04,681
- And I'm sorry. I understand.

1071
00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:06,916
- You know, but I get it.

1072
00:38:06,985 --> 00:38:08,318
And I'm sorry

1073
00:38:08,387 --> 00:38:10,220
that that's what you have to,
you know, deal with.

1074
00:38:10,289 --> 00:38:12,055
I don't agree...
- Of course.

1075
00:38:12,124 --> 00:38:14,190
- But I understand,
and, you know,

1076
00:38:14,259 --> 00:38:17,093
I just hope that you go
about it differently next time.

1077
00:38:17,162 --> 00:38:19,729
And I think you will find--
if you go about it that way,

1078
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:22,899
I think you'll find
what you deserve a lot faster.

1079
00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:25,035
You know, you seem like
a cool person, you feel me?

1080
00:38:25,103 --> 00:38:27,504
So, you know, we could go out.
We can hang out.

1081
00:38:27,572 --> 00:38:28,838
- Cool.
- I want a drink next time.

1082
00:38:28,907 --> 00:38:30,440
- Okay. That's true.
- You owe me a drink.

1083
00:38:30,509 --> 00:38:31,708
- You definitely owe him
a drink.

1084
00:38:31,777 --> 00:38:33,510
- You owe me a whole night
of [bleep] drinks.

1085
00:38:33,578 --> 00:38:35,178
- Yes. I do. For this, I do.
- Cool? Shots.

1086
00:38:35,247 --> 00:38:36,413
- I'm sorry.
- Shots.

1087
00:38:36,481 --> 00:38:38,081
- I'm so sorry. Shots.
- For sure.

1088
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:39,716
- Thanks for putting yourself
out there.

1089
00:38:39,785 --> 00:38:41,051
Thanks for being
so understanding

1090
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:42,218
and nonjudgmental.

1091
00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:44,421
- No, thank you guys
for coming in.

1092
00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:46,556
Once again,
sorry for wasting your time.

1093
00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:48,291
- Let me--[bleep],
I do hugs, man.

1094
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,759
If you need some good energy
for yourself.

1095
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:51,394
- Please. Oh, my God.
Thank you so much.

1096
00:38:51,463 --> 00:38:53,229
I'm so sorry.

1097
00:38:53,298 --> 00:38:55,532
- You know,
just shoot your shots.

1098
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,534
[laughter]
- You are beautiful.

1099
00:38:57,602 --> 00:39:00,637
- So are you. And just be safe.
- No, I will.

1100
00:39:00,706 --> 00:39:01,905
- 'Cause I know
these streets are scary.

1101
00:39:01,973 --> 00:39:03,273
- Yeah.

1102
00:39:03,342 --> 00:39:04,774
- But there's a lot
of people who aren't.

1103
00:39:04,843 --> 00:39:06,810
- Nice meeting you.
Nice meeting you.

1104
00:39:06,878 --> 00:39:08,778
- All right, well,
should we all get outta here?

1105
00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:10,980
<i> - ♪ If you fall ♪</i>

1106
00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:12,215
- You know, I gotta say,

1107
00:39:12,284 --> 00:39:13,650
to put yourself out there,
it was brave.

1108
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,984
It took a lot of courage
to do this.

1109
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:16,419
- Thank you. You're so sweet.

1110
00:39:16,488 --> 00:39:17,921
- I think it's gonna help
a lot of people.

1111
00:39:17,989 --> 00:39:20,190
<i> - ♪ You are not alone ♪</i>

1112
00:39:20,258 --> 00:39:23,226
<i> ♪ You are not alone ♪</i>

1113
00:39:23,295 --> 00:39:26,029
<i> [bell dings]</i>
all: Hey.

1114
00:39:26,098 --> 00:39:28,264
- Great morning.
- Great morning.

1115
00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:29,999
<i> - Great morning.</i>

1116
00:39:30,068 --> 00:39:32,035
- What is there to know
about you and Remy?

1117
00:39:32,104 --> 00:39:33,403
Have you guys talked?

1118
00:39:33,472 --> 00:39:35,438
<i> - Yo, listen. We did go out.</i>
<i> We hung out.</i>

1119
00:39:35,507 --> 00:39:36,906
<i> All night,</i>
<i> he bought my drinks.</i>

1120
00:39:36,975 --> 00:39:38,575
<i> He stuck true to his promise.</i>

1121
00:39:38,643 --> 00:39:40,643
<i> Remy's actually a very,</i>
<i> very dope person.</i>

1122
00:39:40,712 --> 00:39:41,778
- Oh, my God.

1123
00:39:41,847 --> 00:39:43,847
So are you dating anybody
or what?

1124
00:39:43,915 --> 00:39:45,515
<i> - I actually am.</i>
- What? What?

1125
00:39:45,584 --> 00:39:47,317
- Are you in a relationship?
<i> - Yeah.</i>

1126
00:39:47,386 --> 00:39:49,686
<i> I took a leap of faith,</i>
<i> and I'm still falling.</i>

1127
00:39:49,755 --> 00:39:51,254
- That's great.

1128
00:39:51,323 --> 00:39:53,623
- Maybe Remy catfishing you
was exactly what you needed...

1129
00:39:53,692 --> 00:39:54,824
- Mm.

1130
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:57,026
- To prep you
for the real thing.

1131
00:39:57,095 --> 00:39:59,162
<i> - Wow, Nev. I never</i>
<i> looked at it like that.</i>

1132
00:39:59,231 --> 00:40:00,864
<i> Damn, I might have</i>
<i> to buy you drinks next time.</i>

1133
00:40:00,932 --> 00:40:02,232
- Exactly.
- And us obviously.

1134
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:03,600
- Yeah.
<i> - 100,000%.</i>

1135
00:40:03,668 --> 00:40:05,335
- To growth.
- Yep. Good luck.

1136
00:40:05,404 --> 00:40:06,636
<i> - Thank you.</i>
- Later, bud.

1137
00:40:06,705 --> 00:40:08,304
- Have a good one.
Or a great one.

1138
00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:11,307
<i> [bell dings]</i>
<i> - How you guys doing?</i>

1139
00:40:11,376 --> 00:40:12,876
- Hey.
- Hey.

1140
00:40:12,944 --> 00:40:14,844
- Remy.
- We talked to Reese.

1141
00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:16,546
He said that you guys hung out.
<i> - Yes.</i>

1142
00:40:16,615 --> 00:40:19,249
<i> I'm so happy that he was</i>
<i> open enough li,</i>

1143
00:40:19,317 --> 00:40:20,717
<i> be able to hang out</i>
<i> with me again.</i>

1144
00:40:20,786 --> 00:40:22,051
<i> And he gets chill.</i>

1145
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,353
<i> There is guys out there</i>
<i> that are straight</i>

1146
00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:24,921
<i> and don't mind hanging out</i>
<i> with a gay boy.</i>

1147
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:26,723
- Love that.

1148
00:40:26,792 --> 00:40:28,725
- Do you worry in the event
that you meet some guy

1149
00:40:28,794 --> 00:40:31,227
that you suspect might be DL,
you might still use

1150
00:40:31,296 --> 00:40:33,263
that approach of trying
to talk to him as a woman?

1151
00:40:33,331 --> 00:40:35,064
<i> - No.</i>
<i> If I'm trying to get someone,</i>

1152
00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:37,300
<i> I will use my profile</i>
<i> which is me.</i>

1153
00:40:37,369 --> 00:40:39,002
- That's much better
than where we started.

1154
00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:40,236
<i> - Yes, of course.</i>

1155
00:40:40,305 --> 00:40:41,971
- Remy,
happy this all worked out.

1156
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,406
You guys
are now actually friends,

1157
00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:45,008
which is such a--such a win.

1158
00:40:45,076 --> 00:40:47,877
<i> - Yes. But thank you so much,</i>
<i> you guys, for everything.</i>

1159
00:40:47,946 --> 00:40:49,779
- And we can't wait to see
what's next for Remy.

1160
00:40:49,848 --> 00:40:51,047
- Yeah.
<i> - Thank you.</i>

1161
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:52,315
- Bye.
- Bye.

1162
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:57,520
<i> He claims to be</i>
<i> a famous singer.</i>

1163
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:59,355
- He's really kind and loving.

1164
00:40:59,424 --> 00:41:02,125
- And you FaceTimed,
- You are 100% sure...

1165
00:41:02,194 --> 00:41:03,159
- His face?
- It was that guy?

1166
00:41:03,228 --> 00:41:04,794
- Yes.
- Hi. Can you hear us?

1167
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:10,500
- This is your last chance.
Come on with Zoom.

1168
00:41:10,569 --> 00:41:12,001
Show us who you are.