1 00:00:02,135 --> 00:00:04,171 - ♪♪ MTV ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,238 --> 00:00:05,472 - Did you think, when you started 3 00:00:05,539 --> 00:00:08,375 talking to Tyrell 17 years ago, 4 00:00:08,442 --> 00:00:09,843 that it would end up like this? 5 00:00:09,910 --> 00:00:11,845 - I didn't think I would even still be talking to him. 6 00:00:11,912 --> 00:00:14,548 - Has he ever mentioned to you his online girlfriend? 7 00:00:18,485 --> 00:00:21,355 - Tomorrow's either going to be a dream come true 8 00:00:21,421 --> 00:00:23,323 or a horrible nightmare. 9 00:00:23,390 --> 00:00:26,059 [dramatic music] 10 00:00:26,126 --> 00:00:27,294 - Let's do a ring check. 11 00:00:27,361 --> 00:00:28,295 - Drip check. 12 00:00:28,362 --> 00:00:30,163 - Ring check. 13 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:31,298 I like where we're going with this. 14 00:00:31,365 --> 00:00:32,533 - Great. All right. 15 00:00:32,599 --> 00:00:34,067 Well, let's get through this episode 16 00:00:34,134 --> 00:00:36,003 so that I might have some time to hit up some pawn shops. 17 00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:39,373 - I need behind the scenes of you at these pawn shops, 18 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:40,908 so people can understand why every time you 19 00:00:40,974 --> 00:00:42,376 come back to a new episode, you have on 20 00:00:42,442 --> 00:00:45,379 a new gaudy gold ring. 21 00:00:45,445 --> 00:00:46,747 - Are they gaudy? - They're good though. 22 00:00:46,813 --> 00:00:47,881 - Oh, okay. 23 00:00:47,948 --> 00:00:49,216 - Like they-- they work for you. 24 00:00:49,283 --> 00:00:51,785 - All right. Whoa, we got a long email here. 25 00:00:51,852 --> 00:00:54,021 "Dear Nev and Kamie, My name is Rudy. 26 00:00:54,087 --> 00:00:56,924 I'm a 30-year-old marketing specialist from New Jersey." 27 00:00:56,990 --> 00:01:00,327 - ♪♪ Me without you is like the sun without the moon ♪♪ 28 00:01:00,394 --> 00:01:01,995 - "I'm reaching out to you because I've been 29 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:08,836 talking to a 32-year-old man named Tyrell for 17 years." 30 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:09,903 - No. 31 00:01:09,970 --> 00:01:10,971 [laughter] 32 00:01:11,038 --> 00:01:12,206 - Am I reading that right? 33 00:01:12,272 --> 00:01:13,440 - It's impossible. - That's impossible. 34 00:01:13,507 --> 00:01:14,775 - It's preposterous. 35 00:01:14,842 --> 00:01:17,744 - "I met Tyrell in 2004 on a teen chatroom." 36 00:01:17,811 --> 00:01:21,048 - ♪♪ We stayed up till 5:00 a. m. talking about life ♪♪ 37 00:01:21,114 --> 00:01:22,649 - "We exchanged phone numbers that night 38 00:01:22,716 --> 00:01:24,918 "and literally spent all night and every night 39 00:01:24,985 --> 00:01:28,722 "for the next five years as landline lovers. 40 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:31,825 "Our relationship fizzled about 2010. 41 00:01:31,892 --> 00:01:34,361 "I was a first year in college, and he was active military 42 00:01:34,428 --> 00:01:36,029 "stationed all over the world. 43 00:01:36,096 --> 00:01:37,998 "In 2011, while I was home for a break, 44 00:01:38,065 --> 00:01:40,167 "I logged into Messenger, and there he was. 45 00:01:40,234 --> 00:01:41,535 So we started catching up." 46 00:01:41,602 --> 00:01:43,470 - ♪♪ We stayed up till 6:00 a. m. ♪♪ 47 00:01:43,537 --> 00:01:45,038 ♪♪ We did it again ♪♪ 48 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:47,341 - "This was also our first and only attempt 49 00:01:47,407 --> 00:01:50,878 "at video messaging, but he was completely in the dark, 50 00:01:50,944 --> 00:01:52,579 so I couldn't see what he looked like." 51 00:01:52,646 --> 00:01:53,847 - Mm-mm. 52 00:01:53,914 --> 00:01:57,618 - "In 2013, Tyrell added me on Facebook. 53 00:01:57,684 --> 00:01:59,520 "At the time, he was living in San Diego 54 00:01:59,586 --> 00:02:00,954 "and had a girlfriend. 55 00:02:01,021 --> 00:02:03,056 "After his relationship ended, we started talking more, 56 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:06,059 "and our conversations became a bit spicy 57 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:07,728 and have been ever since." 58 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:11,198 - ♪♪ I remember when he said, when he said, whoo ♪♪ 59 00:02:11,265 --> 00:02:14,501 - "But every time I brought up visiting him in San Diego, 60 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:15,769 "he would change the subject. 61 00:02:15,836 --> 00:02:17,938 "His pattern for excuses makes me doubt 62 00:02:18,005 --> 00:02:20,407 "who he is, or at the very least, 63 00:02:20,474 --> 00:02:22,776 "think that he may have a secret life 64 00:02:22,843 --> 00:02:24,778 "and is using our distance to hide 65 00:02:24,845 --> 00:02:27,548 "a relationship, kids, or more. 66 00:02:27,614 --> 00:02:30,250 "But it's hard not to have love for a person 67 00:02:30,317 --> 00:02:33,520 "that has been a fixture in my life since I was 13. 68 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:37,124 "If I mean as much to him as he does to me, 69 00:02:37,191 --> 00:02:40,127 "there should be no reason for excuses or hesitation. 70 00:02:40,194 --> 00:02:42,029 "Can you please help? 71 00:02:42,095 --> 00:02:43,163 Rudy." 72 00:02:43,230 --> 00:02:44,231 Wow. 73 00:02:44,298 --> 00:02:46,266 We need to call Rudy. 74 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:47,267 - Can't waste another second. 75 00:02:47,334 --> 00:02:50,470 - 17 years, that is a lifetime. 76 00:02:50,537 --> 00:02:51,471 - That is a lifetime. 77 00:02:51,538 --> 00:02:53,407 [phone ringing] 78 00:02:54,775 --> 00:02:55,976 - Rudy. 79 00:02:56,043 --> 00:02:57,611 - It's Nevie and Kamie. 80 00:02:58,979 --> 00:03:01,415 - We just read your insane email. 81 00:03:01,481 --> 00:03:03,450 17 years is crazy. 82 00:03:08,222 --> 00:03:09,723 - Where in Jersey are you? 83 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:12,826 - So look, we'll come to Trenton. 84 00:03:12,893 --> 00:03:14,862 We've got to figure this out. We have to figure this out. 85 00:03:14,928 --> 00:03:16,363 We got to meet this guy, wherever he is. 86 00:03:16,430 --> 00:03:18,131 - Yes. 87 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:19,099 - We'll see you soon. 88 00:03:19,166 --> 00:03:20,133 - All right, bye. 89 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,401 - See ya, Rudy. 90 00:03:21,468 --> 00:03:22,503 I have so many questions. - Come on. 91 00:03:22,569 --> 00:03:23,837 Right? Like we got to go. 92 00:03:23,904 --> 00:03:25,339 We got to go. We got to go. 93 00:03:25,405 --> 00:03:28,942 - ♪♪ I fell in love with the way you move ♪♪ 94 00:03:29,009 --> 00:03:31,144 - Jersey. 95 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:33,080 - 17 years, Kamie. 96 00:03:33,146 --> 00:03:34,848 - That's like a life partner at that point. 97 00:03:34,915 --> 00:03:38,285 Like do we want to blow this thing up? 98 00:03:38,352 --> 00:03:39,653 - There it is. 99 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,355 All right. - [laughs] 100 00:03:41,421 --> 00:03:43,991 [knock on door] 101 00:03:44,057 --> 00:03:45,125 Rudy. 102 00:03:45,192 --> 00:03:46,527 - Hey. Come out? 103 00:03:46,593 --> 00:03:47,794 Come out. Hi. 104 00:03:47,861 --> 00:03:48,929 - Good to meet you. - Good to meet you. 105 00:03:48,996 --> 00:03:49,796 - What's up? 106 00:03:49,863 --> 00:03:51,231 - What's up? Come in. 107 00:03:51,298 --> 00:03:52,499 Come in. - Let's go inside. 108 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:53,567 - All right. 109 00:03:53,634 --> 00:03:55,669 Let's have a seat, get into it. 110 00:03:57,371 --> 00:03:58,739 Ah. We're here. - Hi. 111 00:03:58,805 --> 00:04:00,073 - Hi. - Thank you for coming. 112 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:02,643 - Did you think, when you started talking 113 00:04:02,709 --> 00:04:04,111 to Tyrell, 17 years ago... 114 00:04:04,178 --> 00:04:05,212 - Jeez. 115 00:04:05,279 --> 00:04:07,381 - That it would end up like this? 116 00:04:07,447 --> 00:04:08,582 - There wasn't even a "Catfish." 117 00:04:08,649 --> 00:04:09,583 - There was no this. 118 00:04:09,650 --> 00:04:10,884 - It didn't exist. 119 00:04:10,951 --> 00:04:12,319 - Wild. 120 00:04:12,386 --> 00:04:14,087 - I didn't think I would even still be talking to him. 121 00:04:14,154 --> 00:04:16,857 - Can you just take us back to the very beginning? 122 00:04:16,924 --> 00:04:21,094 - So we met on a teen chatroom, and we started talking. 123 00:04:21,161 --> 00:04:23,163 That night, we exchanged phone numbers, 124 00:04:23,230 --> 00:04:26,266 and we were talking on the phone that entire night. 125 00:04:26,333 --> 00:04:28,402 - When did you first see a picture of him? 126 00:04:28,468 --> 00:04:30,470 - On his profile on the teen website. 127 00:04:30,537 --> 00:04:31,505 - But he's cute--he's cute. 128 00:04:31,572 --> 00:04:32,840 - He's cute. 129 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:36,410 And we talked on the phone like every night, 130 00:04:36,476 --> 00:04:39,413 throughout--like all throughout high school for me. 131 00:04:39,479 --> 00:04:41,181 - Whoa. - I know, kind of cute. 132 00:04:41,248 --> 00:04:42,616 - So he was your boyfriend. - Yeah. 133 00:04:42,683 --> 00:04:43,984 - And you would say I love you? 134 00:04:44,051 --> 00:04:45,385 - Yeah. 135 00:04:45,452 --> 00:04:48,922 We were young, and we were talking on like landline. 136 00:04:48,989 --> 00:04:50,924 So we had a code for I love you. 137 00:04:50,991 --> 00:04:52,426 - Mm. - Oh, what was it? 138 00:04:52,492 --> 00:04:53,627 - What was the code? 139 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:55,295 - Code orange-- it meant nothing, 140 00:04:55,362 --> 00:04:56,530 but it meant everything. 141 00:04:56,597 --> 00:04:57,965 - So you would just say code orange. 142 00:04:58,031 --> 00:05:00,300 - And you know what it means. 143 00:05:00,367 --> 00:05:01,602 - I love this. 144 00:05:01,668 --> 00:05:03,470 - Where were you living at the time? 145 00:05:03,537 --> 00:05:04,505 - I was in New Jersey. 146 00:05:04,571 --> 00:05:06,039 - And where was Tyrell? 147 00:05:06,106 --> 00:05:07,508 - South Carolina. - Okay. 148 00:05:07,574 --> 00:05:08,976 So you were both East Coast. 149 00:05:09,042 --> 00:05:10,844 At any point in those high school years, 150 00:05:10,911 --> 00:05:12,279 was there a discussion about meeting up? 151 00:05:12,346 --> 00:05:13,413 - Oh, yeah. 152 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,449 It was always like after-- 153 00:05:15,516 --> 00:05:16,717 when we become adults. 154 00:05:16,783 --> 00:05:18,118 That's what we were going to do. 155 00:05:18,185 --> 00:05:19,353 - Okay. 156 00:05:19,419 --> 00:05:20,654 So you guys--so then you go to college. 157 00:05:20,721 --> 00:05:22,356 Tyrell goes to the military? 158 00:05:22,422 --> 00:05:23,657 - Mm-hmm. 159 00:05:23,724 --> 00:05:24,725 - So that must have sort of put a little bit 160 00:05:24,791 --> 00:05:26,126 of a kink in your plans. - Yeah. 161 00:05:26,193 --> 00:05:29,563 He was, at the time, stationed in Japan, Okinawa, 162 00:05:29,630 --> 00:05:33,133 and our time differences were crazy, 163 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,804 and it just had a natural like, fade out. 164 00:05:37,871 --> 00:05:39,273 - Did you meet anybody else? 165 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:40,974 - Yeah. - You did. 166 00:05:41,041 --> 00:05:42,576 So you had your first sort of physical 167 00:05:42,643 --> 00:05:43,710 romantic relationship? - Yes. 168 00:05:43,777 --> 00:05:45,212 - And was that like a serious thing? 169 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,280 - Yes. 170 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:47,447 - So when did things 171 00:05:47,514 --> 00:05:48,916 kind of get serious again? 172 00:05:48,982 --> 00:05:53,620 - Around 2016, he was no longer overseas, 173 00:05:53,687 --> 00:05:56,657 and we actually kind of caught up. 174 00:05:56,723 --> 00:05:59,293 He had done a tour in Afghanistan. 175 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:01,094 So that would have been like difficult 176 00:06:01,161 --> 00:06:03,864 for him to even communicate with me during that time. 177 00:06:03,931 --> 00:06:05,766 - But you don't talk on a landline anymore. 178 00:06:05,832 --> 00:06:06,867 - No. - Right. 179 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:08,001 How do you guys speak now? 180 00:06:08,068 --> 00:06:11,972 - On Messenger and Snapchat. 181 00:06:12,039 --> 00:06:14,174 - So you don't have a cell phone number for him? 182 00:06:14,241 --> 00:06:15,542 - No. - Weird. 183 00:06:15,609 --> 00:06:16,977 So then you guys started talking again, 184 00:06:17,044 --> 00:06:18,712 and like did it kind of pick up where it left off? 185 00:06:18,779 --> 00:06:20,881 - Yeah. We've been dating, 186 00:06:20,948 --> 00:06:24,384 and I told him my sister was a flight attendant. 187 00:06:24,451 --> 00:06:28,388 So I had travel benefits, and I told him twice 188 00:06:28,455 --> 00:06:30,457 that I'm ready to fly out. 189 00:06:30,524 --> 00:06:31,925 - Right. 190 00:06:31,992 --> 00:06:33,660 - But he'll stop saying you should come out 191 00:06:33,727 --> 00:06:35,295 when I'm actually taking him up on it. 192 00:06:35,362 --> 00:06:36,563 - Hmm. 193 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:38,866 Had he ever suggested coming to see you? 194 00:06:38,932 --> 00:06:40,567 - I've suggested it, and he said 195 00:06:40,634 --> 00:06:41,802 he's not coming to New Jersey. 196 00:06:41,869 --> 00:06:43,136 There's nothing in New Jersey. 197 00:06:43,203 --> 00:06:44,338 - You're in New Jersey. - Yeah. 198 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:45,672 I'm in New Jersey. 199 00:06:45,739 --> 00:06:47,007 - I don't know if I like his attitude. 200 00:06:47,074 --> 00:06:49,142 - And every time you ask or try to video chat, 201 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:52,846 as it becomes easier and easier and more accessible, 202 00:06:52,913 --> 00:06:54,314 do you ever like just call him? 203 00:06:54,381 --> 00:06:55,282 - All the time. 204 00:06:55,349 --> 00:06:56,450 Doesn't respond. 205 00:06:56,517 --> 00:06:58,852 Will respond to a voice call before he 206 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:00,587 responds to a video call. 207 00:07:00,654 --> 00:07:01,989 - But you have video called. 208 00:07:02,055 --> 00:07:05,726 - Yes, once in 2011, and then once recently, 209 00:07:05,792 --> 00:07:11,665 but the recent video call, there were no faces involved. 210 00:07:11,732 --> 00:07:15,202 - So where was the camera facing? 211 00:07:15,269 --> 00:07:16,370 - Private parts. 212 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:17,671 - [laughs] - Oh! 213 00:07:17,738 --> 00:07:20,641 Oh, my God. 214 00:07:20,707 --> 00:07:23,377 Got it. Got it. 215 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:27,414 And then the first time you video chatted in 2011, no face. 216 00:07:27,481 --> 00:07:28,815 - Very dark face. 217 00:07:28,882 --> 00:07:30,517 It was nighttime, so he didn't want 218 00:07:30,584 --> 00:07:31,818 to turn on any main lights. 219 00:07:31,885 --> 00:07:33,220 So I really didn't get a chance to see him. 220 00:07:33,287 --> 00:07:35,122 - That's why I'm feeling like he's 221 00:07:35,189 --> 00:07:36,924 not the guy in the pictures. - Yeah. 222 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:38,091 You must have considered that. 223 00:07:38,158 --> 00:07:39,560 I mean, do you think there's a chance 224 00:07:39,626 --> 00:07:43,697 he's not the guy in the pictures that you've seen? 225 00:07:43,764 --> 00:07:47,801 - Um, I think there's a-- 226 00:07:47,868 --> 00:07:49,369 there could be a chance. 227 00:07:49,436 --> 00:07:51,438 - Because why else would he avoid it, 228 00:07:51,505 --> 00:07:53,240 and has he offered you any explanation 229 00:07:53,307 --> 00:07:54,741 as to why he doesn't want to video chat? 230 00:07:54,808 --> 00:07:56,009 - No. 231 00:07:56,076 --> 00:07:57,411 - When you know he clearly can. 232 00:07:57,477 --> 00:07:59,713 - His explanation usually is, I can't right now. 233 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:00,814 I'm busy. 234 00:08:00,881 --> 00:08:02,249 - Even if he's not 235 00:08:02,316 --> 00:08:03,951 the guy in the pictures from back then, like 2004 236 00:08:04,017 --> 00:08:05,919 was like so long ago. 237 00:08:05,986 --> 00:08:07,821 It was like a lawless land on the internet. 238 00:08:07,888 --> 00:08:09,223 You could do whatever you wanted to do. 239 00:08:09,289 --> 00:08:11,558 So like even if he was using a different picture, 240 00:08:11,625 --> 00:08:13,493 everybody was lying. 241 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:14,962 Were you using your pictures and like-- 242 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:16,163 - Absolutely not. 243 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:17,397 - See? 244 00:08:17,464 --> 00:08:20,467 - He didn't know who I was until 2011. 245 00:08:20,534 --> 00:08:22,536 - Whoa. Wait. So-- 246 00:08:22,603 --> 00:08:23,871 - I rest my case. 247 00:08:23,937 --> 00:08:25,906 - When you first met, 2011, you were using 248 00:08:25,973 --> 00:08:27,007 pictures of someone else. - Yes. 249 00:08:27,074 --> 00:08:28,575 - Who? - Oh, my God. 250 00:08:28,642 --> 00:08:29,977 - I don't know, some pictures from Google. 251 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:31,211 It was reckless out there. 252 00:08:31,278 --> 00:08:32,646 - It was really a different time. 253 00:08:32,713 --> 00:08:34,248 - It was a different time. 254 00:08:34,314 --> 00:08:37,351 - And how did you admit to him that you had lied? 255 00:08:37,417 --> 00:08:39,286 - My video camera. 256 00:08:39,353 --> 00:08:40,687 - And so what, you got on a video chat with him? 257 00:08:40,754 --> 00:08:41,955 - Yeah. 258 00:08:42,022 --> 00:08:43,090 - So the time he was in the dark, 259 00:08:43,156 --> 00:08:44,558 you showed your face? - Yeah. 260 00:08:44,625 --> 00:08:46,693 - And you were just, hey, sorry, this is me? 261 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:47,895 - Yeah. 262 00:08:47,961 --> 00:08:48,929 - And did he--what did he say? 263 00:08:48,996 --> 00:08:50,898 - He said he didn't care. 264 00:08:50,964 --> 00:08:52,366 - But if he was using different pictures too, 265 00:08:52,432 --> 00:08:53,467 that would have been a perfect opportunity to say so. 266 00:08:53,534 --> 00:08:54,601 - Right. 267 00:08:54,668 --> 00:08:55,536 Perfect opportunity to tell you. 268 00:08:55,602 --> 00:08:56,703 - Yeah. 269 00:08:56,770 --> 00:08:57,871 - But he doesn't. 270 00:08:57,938 --> 00:08:59,573 - No. - All right. 271 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,111 Well, now, where would you sort of say you are with this guy? 272 00:09:04,178 --> 00:09:06,113 - I'm dating for a relationship. 273 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:07,848 If you want to be with me, we're going to be together. 274 00:09:07,915 --> 00:09:09,082 - Right. 275 00:09:09,149 --> 00:09:10,350 - And when you were younger, 276 00:09:10,417 --> 00:09:11,518 you used to talk about your future plans. 277 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:12,486 Like does he still talk like that? 278 00:09:12,553 --> 00:09:13,620 - Yeah. 279 00:09:13,687 --> 00:09:17,024 We have a 35 pact, a pact for 35. 280 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:18,325 - What's the pact? 281 00:09:18,392 --> 00:09:20,460 - We're getting married at 35, a marriage pact. 282 00:09:20,527 --> 00:09:21,762 - It's not that far away. 283 00:09:21,828 --> 00:09:23,163 - Yeah, I know. 284 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:24,965 - Obviously, a high school crush is one thing, 285 00:09:25,032 --> 00:09:26,099 but now you're an adult. 286 00:09:26,166 --> 00:09:27,534 You've had other relationships. 287 00:09:27,601 --> 00:09:30,704 Like what is it about Tyrell that you like so much? 288 00:09:30,771 --> 00:09:32,172 - I like our history. 289 00:09:32,239 --> 00:09:33,807 I like his sense of humor. 290 00:09:33,874 --> 00:09:35,209 I like his face. 291 00:09:35,275 --> 00:09:37,511 It's the feeling that I also have 292 00:09:37,578 --> 00:09:38,545 when I think about him too. 293 00:09:38,612 --> 00:09:40,480 - Are you in love with him? 294 00:09:40,547 --> 00:09:41,748 - I code orange him. 295 00:09:41,815 --> 00:09:43,684 - She's in love with him. 296 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:44,785 Look at your face. 297 00:09:44,852 --> 00:09:45,986 [laughter] 298 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:48,021 - I got to see this guy. 299 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:49,423 Can I see his Instagram, or what's the best 300 00:09:49,489 --> 00:09:50,991 way to see a picture of him? - Sure. 301 00:09:51,058 --> 00:09:52,726 Instagram would be the best. 302 00:09:52,793 --> 00:09:53,760 - Okay. 303 00:09:53,827 --> 00:09:55,629 Come sit here. 304 00:09:55,696 --> 00:09:57,030 - Okay. 305 00:09:57,097 --> 00:09:58,065 So there's face pictures. - Yeah. 306 00:09:58,131 --> 00:09:59,566 Tyrell, just for fun. 307 00:09:59,633 --> 00:10:02,636 Love the U. S. Marine Corps, okay, and he loves gaming. 308 00:10:02,703 --> 00:10:04,204 So there he is. 309 00:10:04,271 --> 00:10:05,138 Yeah. 310 00:10:05,205 --> 00:10:06,440 He's got a nice look to him. 311 00:10:06,507 --> 00:10:07,841 - If it's really him. 312 00:10:07,908 --> 00:10:09,209 - I mean, I don't think I've ever wanted 313 00:10:09,276 --> 00:10:12,546 a relationship to work out more than this. 314 00:10:12,613 --> 00:10:15,349 What a great, epic love story. 315 00:10:15,415 --> 00:10:16,917 - Thanks. 316 00:10:16,984 --> 00:10:18,719 - I think it's a great love story, but what is he hiding? 317 00:10:18,785 --> 00:10:20,153 - Yeah. 318 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:22,289 - And I feel like, if you don't see where it can go, 319 00:10:22,356 --> 00:10:24,758 you'll always think about where it could have been. 320 00:10:24,825 --> 00:10:26,960 - Yeah, and I don't want to-- 321 00:10:27,027 --> 00:10:28,462 gosh, I'm already 30. 322 00:10:28,529 --> 00:10:30,364 I don't want to think in like 10 years-- 323 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:31,365 - What if? 324 00:10:31,431 --> 00:10:32,432 - What if? Yeah. 325 00:10:32,499 --> 00:10:33,667 - I know you've waited 17 years, 326 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:35,269 but just give us one more day. - Okay. 327 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:36,937 - And let us see if we can figure this out. 328 00:10:37,004 --> 00:10:39,573 - Sounds great. - Let's get to it. 329 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,275 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 330 00:10:41,341 --> 00:10:43,110 - Good to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 331 00:10:43,177 --> 00:10:44,344 - And we will see you soon. 332 00:10:44,411 --> 00:10:46,079 - See ya. 333 00:10:46,146 --> 00:10:47,614 - I don't know. 334 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:48,749 I don't know. 335 00:10:48,815 --> 00:10:49,816 The video chat thing is weird. 336 00:10:49,883 --> 00:10:51,018 - That's so weird. 337 00:10:51,084 --> 00:10:53,921 If you can show your ding-a-ling, 338 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:55,255 you can show your face. 339 00:10:55,322 --> 00:10:56,924 - And she had lied to him. 340 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:57,991 - Right. - I mean, 341 00:10:58,058 --> 00:10:59,026 this relationship has been going on 342 00:10:59,092 --> 00:11:00,527 for 17 years. 343 00:11:00,594 --> 00:11:02,663 I think it's probably the most intense, 344 00:11:02,729 --> 00:11:05,232 the longest relationship we've ever seen on the show. 345 00:11:05,299 --> 00:11:07,634 If this guy isn't who he says he is, 346 00:11:07,701 --> 00:11:09,536 there's a lot on the line. 347 00:11:15,042 --> 00:11:16,310 - Time to investigate. 348 00:11:16,376 --> 00:11:19,780 - So cute. [chuckles] 349 00:11:19,847 --> 00:11:20,881 - All right. 350 00:11:20,948 --> 00:11:23,684 Rudy and Tyrell have been talking 351 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,486 since they were teenagers, for 17 years. 352 00:11:26,553 --> 00:11:29,056 It's an insanely long internet relationship 353 00:11:29,122 --> 00:11:32,359 that is somehow still shrouded in mystery. 354 00:11:32,426 --> 00:11:33,694 Who is Tyrell? 355 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,128 What is really going on? 356 00:11:35,195 --> 00:11:37,364 All right. Let's get down to business. 357 00:11:37,431 --> 00:11:38,999 Here's an email from Rudy. 358 00:11:39,066 --> 00:11:41,969 "Hey guys. I was really nervous yesterday 359 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:44,738 "because I really care about Tyrell. 360 00:11:44,805 --> 00:11:48,008 "I don't have a number for him, but here's what I do know. 361 00:11:48,075 --> 00:11:51,845 "He's 32, lived in Bluffton, South Carolina, 362 00:11:51,912 --> 00:11:55,048 "then San Diego, and served in Afghanistan 363 00:11:55,115 --> 00:11:56,884 "and Japan as a Marine. 364 00:11:56,950 --> 00:11:59,586 When we met, he knew me as Paradise." 365 00:11:59,653 --> 00:12:01,088 Whoa, she didn't tell us that. 366 00:12:01,154 --> 00:12:03,123 - She definitely didn't say she had a different name. 367 00:12:03,190 --> 00:12:04,091 - Wow. Oh, my God. 368 00:12:04,157 --> 00:12:05,292 - Wow. 369 00:12:05,359 --> 00:12:06,293 - "He grew up with his grandparents 370 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,828 and cousin April." 371 00:12:07,895 --> 00:12:10,264 So here's his Snapchat and a Facebook page 372 00:12:10,330 --> 00:12:11,598 and an Instagram. - Mm-hmm. 373 00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:12,833 Let's start with the Facebook 374 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:14,601 because we haven't seen it yet. 375 00:12:14,668 --> 00:12:16,003 ♪♪ ♪♪ 376 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:17,171 - All right. 377 00:12:17,237 --> 00:12:19,206 Worked at Marine Corps recruiting. 378 00:12:19,273 --> 00:12:21,942 Let's see, he's got 1,100 friends, seems legit. 379 00:12:22,009 --> 00:12:23,177 - Yeah. 380 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:25,512 If this is a fake page, it goes way back. 381 00:12:25,579 --> 00:12:27,848 - Now, we're back into 2013. 382 00:12:27,915 --> 00:12:30,684 There's also the Instagram. 383 00:12:30,751 --> 00:12:33,053 He's got--he's got a lot of posts on here. 384 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,558 I mean, this account feels pretty legit. 385 00:12:37,624 --> 00:12:39,826 Is he tagged? 386 00:12:39,893 --> 00:12:42,863 - Oh, look. Look at that comment. 387 00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:44,398 "Yo what's up with that other page? 388 00:12:44,464 --> 00:12:46,166 Is it fake?" 389 00:12:46,233 --> 00:12:47,401 What other page? 390 00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:49,403 - Is there another Tyrell [bleep]? 391 00:12:49,469 --> 00:12:51,438 [dramatic music] 392 00:12:51,505 --> 00:12:52,506 - Oh. - Whoa. 393 00:12:52,573 --> 00:12:54,641 He's got another account. 394 00:12:54,708 --> 00:12:55,976 What is this? 395 00:12:56,043 --> 00:12:57,010 - That's him too. 396 00:12:57,077 --> 00:12:58,512 - Interesting. 397 00:12:58,579 --> 00:13:01,048 I mean, this profile looks kind of legit. 398 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:02,416 Which one is real? 399 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:03,650 - I don't know. 400 00:13:03,717 --> 00:13:05,419 - Are these both his? 401 00:13:05,485 --> 00:13:07,788 Oh, "Thank you to my baby girl Rey. 402 00:13:07,855 --> 00:13:10,624 "She always finds some way to inspire me 403 00:13:10,691 --> 00:13:12,426 to get off my high horse." 404 00:13:12,492 --> 00:13:14,228 Who's his baby girl Rey? 405 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:19,266 - Baby girl or does he mean, baby girl? 406 00:13:19,333 --> 00:13:20,501 It could be a kid or a wife. 407 00:13:20,567 --> 00:13:21,969 - Maybe this is his real page, 408 00:13:22,035 --> 00:13:23,837 and he's hiding it from Ruby so that she 409 00:13:23,904 --> 00:13:25,272 doesn't find out about Rey. 410 00:13:25,339 --> 00:13:26,473 - Find Rey. 411 00:13:26,540 --> 00:13:27,674 - All right. 412 00:13:27,741 --> 00:13:29,910 Is he following somebody named Rey? 413 00:13:29,977 --> 00:13:31,478 Rey. 414 00:13:31,545 --> 00:13:33,614 - No Rey, but here's an Ariel. 415 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:34,615 Could that be Rey? 416 00:13:34,681 --> 00:13:35,682 - I don't know. 417 00:13:35,749 --> 00:13:37,451 - What if Ariel-- 418 00:13:37,518 --> 00:13:43,090 could Ari, Rey, L, Ariel, Rey, Ariel? 419 00:13:43,156 --> 00:13:44,258 You see what I'm saying? 420 00:13:44,324 --> 00:13:45,526 And look at the last name. 421 00:13:45,592 --> 00:13:48,262 Ariel has the same last name as Tyrell. 422 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:49,596 What does that mean? 423 00:13:49,663 --> 00:13:52,666 They're either related or they're married. 424 00:13:52,733 --> 00:13:54,168 - All right. 425 00:13:54,234 --> 00:13:56,670 You know what, let's just do a quick people search. 426 00:13:56,737 --> 00:14:00,841 - Because we'll be able to see like family members. 427 00:14:00,908 --> 00:14:02,109 - Or maybe even marriage? 428 00:14:02,176 --> 00:14:04,011 I don't know. - Oh, it's right-- 429 00:14:04,077 --> 00:14:04,978 - Boom. - He's the only Tyrell. 430 00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:06,380 - Bluffton, South Carolina. 431 00:14:06,446 --> 00:14:07,714 It's like boom. 432 00:14:07,781 --> 00:14:10,684 - His address. - 32 relatives. 433 00:14:10,751 --> 00:14:11,685 View Relatives? 434 00:14:11,752 --> 00:14:12,853 Is any of these-- 435 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,988 April, his cousin, she's listed. 436 00:14:15,055 --> 00:14:16,290 - Yeah. 437 00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:18,125 - So everything he's told her checks out. 438 00:14:18,192 --> 00:14:20,394 So unless he's hiding a wife or a girlfriend, it's just him. 439 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:22,062 All right. 440 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:23,397 Look, there's a phone number listed for his cousin 441 00:14:23,463 --> 00:14:24,598 right here. 442 00:14:24,665 --> 00:14:26,166 I think we should just call her. 443 00:14:26,233 --> 00:14:28,936 At the very least, April should be able to tell us 444 00:14:29,002 --> 00:14:32,072 if he's married or has kids. 445 00:14:32,139 --> 00:14:34,641 [phone ringing] 446 00:14:36,043 --> 00:14:37,711 - Hello. Hi. Is this April? 447 00:14:38,846 --> 00:14:40,380 - Hello. My name is Nev 448 00:14:40,447 --> 00:14:42,182 from that TV show "Catfish." 449 00:14:43,617 --> 00:14:45,786 - Are you familiar with that show? 450 00:14:45,853 --> 00:14:48,655 - I called you because we're helping this girl who 451 00:14:48,722 --> 00:14:51,992 has been talking to this guy on the internet for a long time. 452 00:14:52,059 --> 00:14:54,661 - Okay. 453 00:14:54,728 --> 00:14:58,599 - And we're pretty sure it's your cousin Tyrell. 454 00:14:59,766 --> 00:15:02,469 - Where does he live now? 455 00:15:02,536 --> 00:15:03,904 - Is he married? 456 00:15:05,305 --> 00:15:06,874 - Oh, okay. 457 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:08,709 - Is he in a relationship? 458 00:15:10,277 --> 00:15:11,245 - Hey. This is Kamie. 459 00:15:11,311 --> 00:15:12,246 Who is Rey? 460 00:15:14,648 --> 00:15:16,717 - What about Ariel? 461 00:15:17,885 --> 00:15:20,354 - Oh, sister. 462 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:21,989 - Has he ever mentioned to you or talked 463 00:15:22,055 --> 00:15:26,827 about his like, online friends at times 464 00:15:26,894 --> 00:15:28,695 and sort of girlfriend at other times? 465 00:15:37,371 --> 00:15:39,573 - Oh, Paradise or Dice. 466 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,208 You say Dice? 467 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:53,320 - Weird. Huh. 468 00:15:55,422 --> 00:15:56,557 - Someone's lying. 469 00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:59,760 - Somebody needs to "Tyrell" the truth. 470 00:16:00,561 --> 00:16:01,695 - Right. Well, look. 471 00:16:01,762 --> 00:16:04,164 I don't want to make any assumptions. 472 00:16:04,231 --> 00:16:05,666 Talking to you has been very helpful, 473 00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:08,836 but it sounds like we should just be talking to Tyrell. 474 00:16:08,902 --> 00:16:10,838 Surely he has a phone number. Right? 475 00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:15,843 - Okay. Well, if you don't want 476 00:16:15,909 --> 00:16:17,377 to give me his phone number, could you perhaps 477 00:16:17,444 --> 00:16:19,246 let him know that I'd love to talk to him, 478 00:16:19,313 --> 00:16:21,849 and you could give him our phone number? 479 00:16:21,915 --> 00:16:23,684 - All right, April. - Thanks. 480 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:25,118 - Yeah. Thank you. 481 00:16:26,053 --> 00:16:27,955 - See you. Bye. Whoa. Okay. 482 00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:30,157 We confirmed Tyrell is who he says he is, 483 00:16:30,224 --> 00:16:31,959 but now there's this weird other side of the story. 484 00:16:32,025 --> 00:16:34,361 - Yeah. - So either Tyrell 485 00:16:34,428 --> 00:16:35,929 is lying to his cousin, which would be weird, 486 00:16:35,996 --> 00:16:38,465 or Rudy is lying to us. 487 00:16:38,532 --> 00:16:39,900 And she's the one who-- 488 00:16:39,967 --> 00:16:42,302 maybe she never told him who she really is, 489 00:16:42,369 --> 00:16:45,405 and she wants to, and she's too nervous. 490 00:16:45,472 --> 00:16:46,440 - I just got chills. 491 00:16:46,507 --> 00:16:47,608 That's-- 492 00:16:47,674 --> 00:16:48,809 - That could be what's going on. 493 00:16:48,876 --> 00:16:51,478 We could be unknowingly... 494 00:16:51,545 --> 00:16:52,513 - Helping-- 495 00:16:52,579 --> 00:16:53,647 - Reverse catfishing... 496 00:16:53,714 --> 00:16:55,182 - Yeah. - Tyrell. 497 00:16:55,249 --> 00:16:56,483 When we started this investigation, 498 00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:58,418 a lot of questions for Tyrell. 499 00:16:58,485 --> 00:16:59,920 Now I got questions for Rudy. 500 00:16:59,987 --> 00:17:02,122 ♪♪ ♪♪ 501 00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:08,795 - So what are we going to tell Rudy? 502 00:17:08,862 --> 00:17:10,597 [tense music] 503 00:17:10,664 --> 00:17:11,865 It's him. 504 00:17:11,932 --> 00:17:13,767 We confirmed Tyrell is who he says he is, 505 00:17:13,834 --> 00:17:16,003 but he's been trying to meet you, and-- 506 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:17,404 - Where you been? 507 00:17:17,471 --> 00:17:19,806 There's no real big thing that's keeping them apart. 508 00:17:19,873 --> 00:17:23,544 - Apparently not, unless she's not telling us the truth. 509 00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:24,711 - Right. 510 00:17:24,778 --> 00:17:26,547 We will get to the bottom of this. 511 00:17:26,613 --> 00:17:28,515 - Yeah. 512 00:17:29,950 --> 00:17:32,219 [knock on door] 513 00:17:32,286 --> 00:17:34,021 - Hey. - Hey. 514 00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:35,422 - What's up? 515 00:17:37,758 --> 00:17:39,860 [laughter] 516 00:17:39,927 --> 00:17:41,428 - Ooh. 517 00:17:41,495 --> 00:17:43,664 Well, you told us about Paradise in the email. 518 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:44,798 - Gosh, huh. 519 00:17:44,865 --> 00:17:45,966 Sounds like you got more information 520 00:17:46,033 --> 00:17:47,234 about me than Tyrell. 521 00:17:47,301 --> 00:17:48,769 - Maybe. 522 00:17:48,836 --> 00:17:49,870 - I don't know. 523 00:17:49,937 --> 00:17:51,905 You tell us. 524 00:17:51,972 --> 00:17:52,973 - I'm worried. 525 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,241 I'm not worried. I'm worried. 526 00:17:54,308 --> 00:17:55,242 I'm worried. 527 00:17:55,309 --> 00:17:56,410 Not worried. 528 00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:57,511 - Hopefully, you can clear up 529 00:17:57,578 --> 00:18:00,347 some questions we got. 530 00:18:00,414 --> 00:18:02,449 - Look, before we get into all that, 531 00:18:02,516 --> 00:18:04,051 let me just take you through what we found, 532 00:18:04,117 --> 00:18:06,320 and then we can kind of get into the concerns 533 00:18:06,386 --> 00:18:08,088 and questions we have for you. 534 00:18:08,155 --> 00:18:09,156 - Okay. 535 00:18:09,223 --> 00:18:11,091 - All right. 536 00:18:11,158 --> 00:18:12,960 So let's get into this. 537 00:18:13,026 --> 00:18:14,261 - Let's get into it. 538 00:18:14,328 --> 00:18:15,429 - First thing we did was we 539 00:18:15,495 --> 00:18:16,830 went to his Instagram and-- 540 00:18:16,897 --> 00:18:18,398 - Definitely was his Instagram. - Right. 541 00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:19,633 Right. So you've seen this. 542 00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:20,601 You've looked through these pictures. 543 00:18:20,667 --> 00:18:21,768 - Yeah. - Right? Okay. 544 00:18:21,835 --> 00:18:23,337 So we wanted to do the same thing, 545 00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:24,905 read some comments. 546 00:18:26,373 --> 00:18:27,674 - "Yo what's up with that other page? 547 00:18:27,741 --> 00:18:28,675 Is it fake?" 548 00:18:28,742 --> 00:18:30,477 What other page? 549 00:18:30,544 --> 00:18:33,981 - So we did a search for Tyrell, and this comes up. 550 00:18:34,047 --> 00:18:34,915 - Mm-hmm. - Do you know-- 551 00:18:34,982 --> 00:18:35,949 - No. 552 00:18:36,016 --> 00:18:37,484 - That account is? 553 00:18:37,551 --> 00:18:38,819 - So there's this one, which is one you know. 554 00:18:38,886 --> 00:18:39,820 - Yeah. 555 00:18:39,887 --> 00:18:41,088 I've never seen the other page. 556 00:18:41,154 --> 00:18:42,422 - Weird, right? - Yeah. 557 00:18:42,489 --> 00:18:43,557 - He has just as many followers 558 00:18:43,624 --> 00:18:45,058 on this other one, or almost. 559 00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:46,260 - Yeah. 560 00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:47,895 - He's following more on this one. 561 00:18:47,961 --> 00:18:49,463 I mean, this one almost feels like it's 562 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:52,032 more active, but weird that he would have 563 00:18:52,099 --> 00:18:54,434 a pretty active Instagram page 564 00:18:54,501 --> 00:18:56,403 that you don't know about. 565 00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:59,139 When we go to one of the posts on this page, 566 00:18:59,206 --> 00:19:00,574 we read this caption. 567 00:19:00,641 --> 00:19:02,776 - "Thank you to my baby girl Rey." 568 00:19:02,843 --> 00:19:04,478 - Feels like he's talking about a girlfriend, 569 00:19:04,545 --> 00:19:08,048 but has he ever mentioned a baby girl Rey? 570 00:19:08,115 --> 00:19:09,383 - Nuh-uh, no. 571 00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:11,018 - When was the last time he had a girlfriend, 572 00:19:11,084 --> 00:19:12,085 that you know of? 573 00:19:12,152 --> 00:19:14,021 - I want to say like 2016, 2017. 574 00:19:14,087 --> 00:19:15,055 - Okay. 575 00:19:15,122 --> 00:19:16,590 - And her name wasn't Rey. 576 00:19:16,657 --> 00:19:18,859 - So the question is like, could he still be dating her? 577 00:19:18,926 --> 00:19:20,627 - And that could be why he doesn't 578 00:19:20,694 --> 00:19:21,762 want you seeing this account. 579 00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:23,130 - Okay. 580 00:19:23,197 --> 00:19:24,731 So here's where it gets even more interesting. 581 00:19:24,798 --> 00:19:27,935 We searched for him on this background check website, 582 00:19:28,001 --> 00:19:31,371 and remarkably, it appears to be him. 583 00:19:31,438 --> 00:19:32,873 It says he's 32. 584 00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:33,941 - Yeah. 585 00:19:34,007 --> 00:19:35,809 - Born in Bluffton, South Carolina. 586 00:19:35,876 --> 00:19:38,478 We clicked on relatives, and it took us to a list, 587 00:19:38,545 --> 00:19:41,481 and one of them is his cousin April. 588 00:19:41,548 --> 00:19:43,750 So at this point, we're thinking 589 00:19:43,817 --> 00:19:46,486 like, this is checking out. 590 00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:49,256 This is crazy, rare for us. 591 00:19:49,323 --> 00:19:52,025 So we decided, let's give April a call. 592 00:19:52,092 --> 00:19:53,327 - Okay. 593 00:19:53,393 --> 00:19:54,261 - Because there's a phone number 594 00:19:54,328 --> 00:19:55,529 listed for her here. 595 00:19:55,596 --> 00:19:57,965 So we called, and she answered. 596 00:19:58,031 --> 00:20:00,067 I said, we're trying to help this girl. 597 00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:03,704 She's been talking to Tyrell for a long time. 598 00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:05,506 She said, oh, I think I know 599 00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:08,709 who you're talking about, Dice. 600 00:20:08,775 --> 00:20:10,043 - Yeah. 601 00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:13,247 - I said, well, is Tyrell in a relationship? 602 00:20:13,313 --> 00:20:14,481 Is he married? 603 00:20:14,548 --> 00:20:16,083 She said, no, no, not married, and she 604 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:17,851 didn't know who Rey was. 605 00:20:17,918 --> 00:20:22,523 But when I then said, why does he keep avoiding meeting up 606 00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:24,958 and not wanting to video chat? 607 00:20:25,025 --> 00:20:30,230 And April said, that's not Tyrell. 608 00:20:30,297 --> 00:20:31,698 - To not want to do that? 609 00:20:31,765 --> 00:20:34,635 - She said, he tells her you're the one 610 00:20:34,701 --> 00:20:35,702 who's been avoiding meeting him. 611 00:20:35,769 --> 00:20:36,603 - Nah. 612 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:37,638 - She was like, he's been 613 00:20:37,704 --> 00:20:39,973 trying to meet Dice for years. 614 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,044 Every time, she's the one who hasn't been coming forward. 615 00:20:44,111 --> 00:20:45,412 - Absolutely not. 616 00:20:45,479 --> 00:20:48,382 - Does that mean that Tyrell's weirdly lying 617 00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:51,151 to his cousin about you not wanting 618 00:20:51,218 --> 00:20:52,419 to meet up with him because-- 619 00:20:52,486 --> 00:20:55,055 and why would he do that? 620 00:20:55,122 --> 00:20:56,557 - I don't know. 621 00:20:56,623 --> 00:21:00,561 - Like why would he be, A, avoiding meeting up with you 622 00:21:00,627 --> 00:21:02,629 and then telling his cousin 623 00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:05,432 it's actually you avoiding him? 624 00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:07,935 You're telling us the truth? 625 00:21:08,001 --> 00:21:09,236 - Yeah. 626 00:21:09,303 --> 00:21:11,839 - Weird that he told April 627 00:21:11,905 --> 00:21:16,810 that you have been the one avoiding meeting up. 628 00:21:16,877 --> 00:21:18,045 Paradise-- 629 00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:20,681 - And you swear that you came clean... 630 00:21:20,747 --> 00:21:23,016 - To him? - To him. 631 00:21:23,083 --> 00:21:24,585 - Uh... 632 00:21:26,954 --> 00:21:28,922 I think we discussed this yesterday. 633 00:21:28,989 --> 00:21:35,195 ♪♪ ♪♪ 634 00:21:35,262 --> 00:21:36,964 I feel like I'm gonna throw up. 635 00:21:43,504 --> 00:21:45,873 - And you swear that you came clean? 636 00:21:45,939 --> 00:21:46,874 - To him? 637 00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:53,280 - To him. 638 00:21:53,347 --> 00:21:58,118 - I think we discussed this yesterday. 639 00:21:58,185 --> 00:22:00,687 I feel like I'm going to throw up. 640 00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:02,122 Yes. 641 00:22:02,189 --> 00:22:03,724 - Yes, he knows who you are, like you told us? 642 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:05,025 - Yes. 643 00:22:05,092 --> 00:22:06,326 - And he knows your real name? 644 00:22:06,393 --> 00:22:07,461 - Yes. 645 00:22:07,528 --> 00:22:08,962 - And you feel like you've 100% been 646 00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:10,497 ready and willing to meet him? 647 00:22:10,564 --> 00:22:12,966 - I feel like I've always been ready and willing. 648 00:22:13,033 --> 00:22:15,235 - So it's mostly always felt like he was-- 649 00:22:15,302 --> 00:22:17,037 - Because we follow each other on Instagram. 650 00:22:17,104 --> 00:22:18,372 - Right. Well then, that being-- 651 00:22:18,438 --> 00:22:20,407 so if that's true, does that mean that Tyrell 652 00:22:20,474 --> 00:22:23,210 is weirdly lying about you not wanting 653 00:22:23,277 --> 00:22:24,711 to meet up with him because-- 654 00:22:24,778 --> 00:22:27,714 and why would he do that? 655 00:22:27,781 --> 00:22:29,283 - That's a question for him. 656 00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:32,019 - I asked April if she would either give us his number 657 00:22:32,085 --> 00:22:34,221 or let him know that we'd like to speak to him. 658 00:22:34,288 --> 00:22:36,123 So she said, okay, I'll let him know. 659 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:38,592 - Do we want to text April and be like, hey, 660 00:22:38,659 --> 00:22:42,262 did you get a chance to talk to him? 661 00:22:43,397 --> 00:22:44,364 - Sure. 662 00:22:44,431 --> 00:22:45,866 Hey, April. 663 00:22:45,933 --> 00:22:50,103 It's Nev, wondering... 664 00:22:55,943 --> 00:22:56,844 [phone dings] 665 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:58,378 - Oh. 666 00:22:58,445 --> 00:22:59,546 "Hey Nev. 667 00:22:59,613 --> 00:23:00,881 "Yes, I've spoken to him. 668 00:23:00,948 --> 00:23:02,749 Here's his number." 669 00:23:02,816 --> 00:23:03,784 All right. 670 00:23:03,851 --> 00:23:04,985 Let's just call him. 671 00:23:05,052 --> 00:23:06,486 - I can't be in here. Can I leave? 672 00:23:06,553 --> 00:23:07,554 - No. Just-- 673 00:23:07,621 --> 00:23:09,456 - I have to stay? - Shh, quiet. 674 00:23:09,523 --> 00:23:12,826 Breathe. 675 00:23:12,893 --> 00:23:16,330 [phone ringing] 676 00:23:16,396 --> 00:23:17,364 - Hello. 677 00:23:17,431 --> 00:23:18,365 Tyrell? 678 00:23:19,533 --> 00:23:20,767 - Hey. It's Nev. 679 00:23:21,802 --> 00:23:22,936 - I got your number from April. 680 00:23:23,003 --> 00:23:24,171 She said she spoke to you. 681 00:23:26,073 --> 00:23:28,408 - I don't know what April told you, 682 00:23:28,475 --> 00:23:31,512 but you and Rudy have been talking for a long time. 683 00:23:31,578 --> 00:23:32,746 - Mm-hmm. 684 00:23:32,813 --> 00:23:34,448 - Recently, it feels like it's sort of 685 00:23:34,515 --> 00:23:36,583 the perfect opportunity and timing for you guys 686 00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:38,752 to finally meet, and she wasn't sure 687 00:23:38,819 --> 00:23:41,588 if there was something keeping you from meeting her 688 00:23:41,655 --> 00:23:43,957 and reached out to us just to help see 689 00:23:44,024 --> 00:23:45,592 if we could facilitate that. 690 00:23:47,961 --> 00:23:50,163 - So what do you say? 691 00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:52,065 Can we make this happen finally, 692 00:23:52,132 --> 00:23:54,001 after almost 20 years? 693 00:23:58,438 --> 00:23:59,339 - Okay. 694 00:23:59,406 --> 00:24:01,275 So you are in South Carolina. 695 00:24:01,708 --> 00:24:04,278 - And if we were to come down there, 696 00:24:04,344 --> 00:24:05,646 which we can very easily do, 697 00:24:05,712 --> 00:24:08,081 would you be willing to meet up with us? 698 00:24:11,518 --> 00:24:12,786 - But Savannah is just like the closest, 699 00:24:12,853 --> 00:24:14,188 easiest place to meet up. 700 00:24:14,254 --> 00:24:15,389 - Fly into. 701 00:24:15,455 --> 00:24:16,823 - I see. 702 00:24:16,890 --> 00:24:18,659 I'm going to text you tomorrow as we're traveling, 703 00:24:18,725 --> 00:24:20,894 and I'd love to make sure you're going to like just-- 704 00:24:20,961 --> 00:24:22,262 stay in touch. 705 00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:24,264 - Talk to you tomorrow. 706 00:24:25,532 --> 00:24:26,466 - Okay, bye. 707 00:24:32,606 --> 00:24:33,807 - What do I wear? 708 00:24:33,874 --> 00:24:38,078 - [laughs] I thought she was going to scream. 709 00:24:38,145 --> 00:24:39,847 - All right. - I'm excited. 710 00:24:39,913 --> 00:24:40,848 I'm excited. 711 00:24:40,914 --> 00:24:42,182 I'm scared. 712 00:24:42,249 --> 00:24:43,851 - We'll pack up tonight, and then we'll 713 00:24:43,917 --> 00:24:45,018 just all go to the airport-- 714 00:24:45,085 --> 00:24:46,086 - All right. - Together. 715 00:24:46,153 --> 00:24:47,120 - Cool. 716 00:24:47,187 --> 00:24:48,288 Sounds amazing. 717 00:24:48,355 --> 00:24:50,324 - Paradise is on the way. 718 00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:51,992 - We'll see you in the morning. 719 00:24:52,059 --> 00:24:53,994 - [squeals] 720 00:24:54,061 --> 00:24:55,095 It's happening. 721 00:24:55,162 --> 00:24:56,396 - I think it's going to happen. 722 00:24:56,463 --> 00:24:58,232 - I hope so. - But there's gotta be some-- 723 00:24:58,298 --> 00:24:59,600 I mean, how long was he going to wait? 724 00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:00,734 - I don't know. 725 00:25:00,801 --> 00:25:02,002 But while we've got him, we have to-- 726 00:25:02,069 --> 00:25:03,737 - Yeah. 727 00:25:03,804 --> 00:25:07,841 I mean, look, tomorrow's either going to be a dream come true 728 00:25:07,908 --> 00:25:11,278 or a horrible nightmare. 729 00:25:11,345 --> 00:25:14,047 ♪♪ ♪♪ 730 00:25:14,114 --> 00:25:16,183 - Oh, good morning. 731 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:18,485 Wow. Look at this look. 732 00:25:18,552 --> 00:25:20,521 Oh, she is suited and booted, honey. 733 00:25:20,587 --> 00:25:21,822 - You really-- - You really-- 734 00:25:21,889 --> 00:25:23,190 - Got the fit. - Thanks. 735 00:25:23,257 --> 00:25:24,458 - I have a text. - Oh. 736 00:25:24,525 --> 00:25:25,459 - Yeah. 737 00:25:25,526 --> 00:25:27,561 It says, "Hi, it's Tyrell. 738 00:25:27,628 --> 00:25:29,763 "Let me know when you all land in Savannah. 739 00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:33,567 "There are definitely things Rudy and I need to talk about. 740 00:25:33,634 --> 00:25:36,803 "Honestly, the more real this gets, the more unsure 741 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:38,172 "I am about it all. 742 00:25:38,238 --> 00:25:40,974 "Please, just don't hype her up too much for this. 743 00:25:41,041 --> 00:25:43,844 I don't want to end up looking like the bad guy." 744 00:25:43,911 --> 00:25:45,245 - Now I'm more nervous. 745 00:25:45,312 --> 00:25:46,914 - I don't like the "don't hype her up too much." 746 00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:48,282 - Yeah, but it is-- 747 00:25:48,348 --> 00:25:51,518 I think it's probably good to come in cool. 748 00:25:51,585 --> 00:25:54,221 - Yeah. - Not expecting anything. 749 00:25:54,288 --> 00:25:55,956 - All right, let's go. 750 00:25:56,023 --> 00:26:01,728 ♪♪ ♪♪ 751 00:26:01,795 --> 00:26:05,499 - What could he need to talk to me about? 752 00:26:05,566 --> 00:26:08,702 - And what would make him look like the bad guy? 753 00:26:08,769 --> 00:26:13,407 ♪♪ ♪♪ 754 00:26:13,473 --> 00:26:14,575 - I don't know. 755 00:26:14,641 --> 00:26:16,844 - We'll find out soon enough. 756 00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:21,081 ♪♪ ♪♪ 757 00:26:21,148 --> 00:26:22,883 - All right. 758 00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:25,619 Let's get on that plane. 759 00:26:25,686 --> 00:26:27,721 We finally got a private jet. 760 00:26:27,788 --> 00:26:30,123 It only took 10 years, but here it is. 761 00:26:30,190 --> 00:26:34,695 - ♪♪ Beyond the stars, out where the sun sets ♪♪ 762 00:26:34,761 --> 00:26:39,867 ♪♪ We'll find the light, and we'll keep it a secret ♪♪ 763 00:26:39,933 --> 00:26:41,001 - It's incredible. 764 00:26:41,068 --> 00:26:43,103 - ♪♪ Anywhere you want to go ♪♪ 765 00:26:43,170 --> 00:26:47,140 ♪♪ Show you my world ♪♪ 766 00:26:47,207 --> 00:26:51,144 ♪♪ Oh, world ♪♪ 767 00:26:51,211 --> 00:26:55,115 ♪♪ Show you my world ♪♪ 768 00:26:55,182 --> 00:26:58,318 ♪♪ Oh, world ♪♪ 769 00:26:58,385 --> 00:27:02,189 ♪♪ Show you my world ♪♪ 770 00:27:02,256 --> 00:27:03,423 - Made it to Savannah. 771 00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:05,926 ♪♪ ♪♪ 772 00:27:05,993 --> 00:27:06,994 All right. 773 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:08,662 Let's do this. - Okay. 774 00:27:08,729 --> 00:27:09,830 - All right. 775 00:27:09,897 --> 00:27:11,498 - I'm going to text Tyrell. - Yes. 776 00:27:11,565 --> 00:27:14,968 - "Hey. Just made it in. 777 00:27:15,035 --> 00:27:18,972 We're ready if you are." 778 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,442 He said, "Okay, meet at Tom Triplett Park." 779 00:27:22,509 --> 00:27:23,777 "Okay. Sounds good." - All right. 780 00:27:23,844 --> 00:27:24,878 Great. 781 00:27:24,945 --> 00:27:26,180 Oh, boy. 782 00:27:26,246 --> 00:27:27,881 Here we go. 783 00:27:30,951 --> 00:27:33,687 - 17 years. 784 00:27:33,754 --> 00:27:37,157 - Down to this, to this car ride. 785 00:27:37,224 --> 00:27:38,959 Anxious. I'm nervous. 786 00:27:39,026 --> 00:27:41,461 I'm excited. 787 00:27:41,528 --> 00:27:43,230 - I'm still needing to know why we weren't 788 00:27:43,297 --> 00:27:45,232 supposed to hype you up. 789 00:27:45,299 --> 00:27:47,434 What is the big secret? 790 00:27:47,501 --> 00:27:51,205 - And I'm leaning on you guys to help me 791 00:27:51,271 --> 00:27:54,041 ask those hard questions. 792 00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:55,142 - Okay. 793 00:27:55,209 --> 00:27:57,344 - There it is. 794 00:28:00,314 --> 00:28:01,548 - In the nose, out the mouth. 795 00:28:01,615 --> 00:28:04,084 In the nose, out the mouth. 796 00:28:04,151 --> 00:28:07,521 ♪♪ ♪♪ 797 00:28:07,588 --> 00:28:09,289 - See, there's like a weird, little-- 798 00:28:09,356 --> 00:28:10,524 - Gazebo thing? - Yeah. 799 00:28:10,591 --> 00:28:11,658 What is that? 800 00:28:11,725 --> 00:28:12,693 Is there someone over there? 801 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:14,728 I feel like I sort of-- 802 00:28:14,795 --> 00:28:16,129 - It's a figure. - There's a person. 803 00:28:16,196 --> 00:28:17,631 - There's a person, right? - Yeah, there's a figure. 804 00:28:17,698 --> 00:28:18,866 There's definitely a figure there. 805 00:28:18,932 --> 00:28:24,505 ♪♪ ♪♪ 806 00:28:24,571 --> 00:28:26,540 It's definitely somebody. 807 00:28:26,607 --> 00:28:27,875 - You can see someone? - Yes. 808 00:28:27,941 --> 00:28:29,309 He's sitting on the-- 809 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:30,544 - Is it a brown person? - I think so. 810 00:28:30,611 --> 00:28:31,512 - It's a brown person? 811 00:28:31,578 --> 00:28:34,348 - I think so. 812 00:28:34,414 --> 00:28:36,817 - Oh, Jesus. 813 00:28:36,884 --> 00:28:39,753 Oh, that is so... [laughter] 814 00:28:41,421 --> 00:28:42,489 Great. 815 00:28:42,556 --> 00:28:44,191 Uh, nope. Nope. 816 00:28:44,258 --> 00:28:45,559 - All right. Take your time. 817 00:28:45,626 --> 00:28:47,661 No rush. Should I go over first? 818 00:28:47,728 --> 00:28:49,429 - [laughs] Sure. Go. 819 00:28:49,496 --> 00:28:51,098 - You guys hang. 820 00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:55,035 - [groans] I know. - Be careful. 821 00:28:55,102 --> 00:28:56,470 - I know. Get your light. 822 00:28:57,971 --> 00:28:59,339 - Hello? 823 00:29:04,578 --> 00:29:05,512 - All right. 824 00:29:05,579 --> 00:29:08,048 - You guys hang. 825 00:29:08,115 --> 00:29:10,450 [suspenseful music] 826 00:29:10,517 --> 00:29:12,519 - Girl. 827 00:29:12,586 --> 00:29:13,720 - Hello? 828 00:29:13,787 --> 00:29:15,255 - Wait. Is that him? 829 00:29:15,322 --> 00:29:16,957 - I'm running the other way. 830 00:29:17,024 --> 00:29:18,825 - How you doing? - I'm all right. 831 00:29:18,892 --> 00:29:19,927 Are you Tyrell? 832 00:29:19,993 --> 00:29:21,094 - Yeah. 833 00:29:21,161 --> 00:29:22,462 - Oh, you're tall. - Yeah. 834 00:29:22,529 --> 00:29:23,430 Yeah. - Wow. 835 00:29:23,497 --> 00:29:25,832 That's him. 836 00:29:25,899 --> 00:29:26,867 What's up? 837 00:29:26,934 --> 00:29:28,202 Hi. 838 00:29:28,268 --> 00:29:29,870 - Hey. - How are you? 839 00:29:29,937 --> 00:29:31,471 - I'm doing good. How you doing? 840 00:29:31,538 --> 00:29:33,307 - I'm good. - [mumbles indistinctly] 841 00:29:33,373 --> 00:29:34,708 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 842 00:29:34,775 --> 00:29:36,109 I'm Kamie. - Oh, yeah. Sorry. 843 00:29:36,176 --> 00:29:38,712 - How you doing? Tyrell. - Good to meet you, Tyrell. 844 00:29:38,779 --> 00:29:39,947 - Nice to meet you too. 845 00:29:40,013 --> 00:29:40,848 - You are exactly who you claim to be. 846 00:29:40,914 --> 00:29:41,949 - Yeah. 847 00:29:42,015 --> 00:29:46,053 - Feels weird, like him standing 848 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:47,354 eight feet away from me. 849 00:29:47,421 --> 00:29:49,056 - How are you feeling right now, 850 00:29:49,122 --> 00:29:52,259 standing here, looking at her, finally? 851 00:29:52,326 --> 00:29:54,328 - To finally meet her, awesome. I feel-- 852 00:29:54,394 --> 00:29:58,198 - Relieved? - Yes. It is relief. 853 00:29:58,265 --> 00:30:00,734 - What did you have to tell me in that text message? 854 00:30:00,801 --> 00:30:03,036 Because that text message had a lot. 855 00:30:03,103 --> 00:30:05,038 - The text message you sent us this morning. 856 00:30:05,105 --> 00:30:06,039 We showed Rudy. 857 00:30:06,106 --> 00:30:07,407 - I didn't know-- 858 00:30:07,474 --> 00:30:09,209 I didn't know like what I would feel. 859 00:30:09,276 --> 00:30:11,011 I didn't know like what that feeling would be. 860 00:30:11,078 --> 00:30:12,846 I've known you forever, and then I'm 861 00:30:12,913 --> 00:30:14,381 meeting you on the same day. 862 00:30:14,448 --> 00:30:17,417 It's like--it's kind of like an interesting feeling. 863 00:30:17,484 --> 00:30:21,221 So it was a lot of like, overwhelming stuff. 864 00:30:21,288 --> 00:30:22,789 You know? 865 00:30:22,856 --> 00:30:24,858 - So you're concerned that, after 17 years of anticipation 866 00:30:24,925 --> 00:30:28,395 and build up, that like, it's a lot 867 00:30:28,462 --> 00:30:31,398 to live up to for both of you. - Yeah. It is. 868 00:30:31,465 --> 00:30:34,401 - I understand the feeling of being overwhelmed because I 869 00:30:34,468 --> 00:30:37,271 have been anxious these past couple of days, 870 00:30:37,337 --> 00:30:39,540 frantic, nervous. 871 00:30:39,606 --> 00:30:40,841 - Yeah? - Yeah. 872 00:30:40,908 --> 00:30:42,075 Absolutely. 873 00:30:42,142 --> 00:30:44,611 So I understand being overwhelmed. 874 00:30:44,678 --> 00:30:46,180 - So when was this 875 00:30:46,246 --> 00:30:50,050 going to happen if we didn't do this overwhelming thing? 876 00:30:50,117 --> 00:30:51,585 - Probably another 17 years. 877 00:30:51,652 --> 00:30:53,554 - Yikes. - Uh... 878 00:30:54,788 --> 00:30:57,224 - I'm trying to figure out why that is. 879 00:30:57,291 --> 00:30:59,493 Because you've been back living in the States for a while. 880 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,794 - For a while. 881 00:31:00,861 --> 00:31:01,995 - By the way, thank you for your service. 882 00:31:02,062 --> 00:31:03,030 - Oh, you're welcome. Thank you. 883 00:31:03,096 --> 00:31:04,464 - But you've been living here. 884 00:31:04,531 --> 00:31:06,033 Rudy has offered to travel to meet you. 885 00:31:06,099 --> 00:31:07,935 Like there have been, I feel like, plenty 886 00:31:08,001 --> 00:31:11,839 of opportunities to see and meet and like give it a try. 887 00:31:11,905 --> 00:31:14,708 - And it's always been my insecurity. 888 00:31:14,775 --> 00:31:17,911 Like you know, she'd meet me, I ain't gonna 889 00:31:17,978 --> 00:31:18,879 be the dude that she liked. 890 00:31:18,946 --> 00:31:20,681 You know? - Sure. 891 00:31:20,747 --> 00:31:21,915 I can understand that. 892 00:31:21,982 --> 00:31:23,517 But we talked to some people, and it 893 00:31:23,584 --> 00:31:25,652 seems you've been spinning this differently to your family. 894 00:31:25,719 --> 00:31:28,822 Because your cousin told us that you told her 895 00:31:28,889 --> 00:31:31,091 that Rudy has sort of been the one 896 00:31:31,158 --> 00:31:33,861 that's hesitated and avoided. 897 00:31:33,927 --> 00:31:38,065 - I think my cousin April, she kind of got that confused. 898 00:31:38,131 --> 00:31:39,733 - She still thinks her name is Dice. 899 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,667 - Right. - Yes. 900 00:31:40,734 --> 00:31:42,035 - Right. 901 00:31:42,102 --> 00:31:43,770 - I don't talk about personal stuff, 902 00:31:43,837 --> 00:31:45,539 like life that much with family. 903 00:31:45,606 --> 00:31:47,674 Like I've always kind of wanted our relationship 904 00:31:47,741 --> 00:31:49,409 to be private in a sense. 905 00:31:49,476 --> 00:31:53,347 Like y'all ever had like something that you don't want 906 00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:55,115 your friends or anybody to know, 907 00:31:55,182 --> 00:31:58,352 like a toy, when you're a kid, something you grab? 908 00:31:58,418 --> 00:31:59,920 - You're not making this sound better. 909 00:31:59,987 --> 00:32:02,022 - I'm not making any sense? Oh, my God. 910 00:32:02,089 --> 00:32:03,490 - Yeah. 911 00:32:03,557 --> 00:32:05,025 No, it just doesn't sound-- or it doesn't sound good. 912 00:32:05,092 --> 00:32:06,927 - I mean, it's messed up calling her a toy. 913 00:32:06,994 --> 00:32:08,695 So let me help you out here. 914 00:32:08,762 --> 00:32:13,467 I think I understand what you're saying, but-- 915 00:32:13,534 --> 00:32:15,002 you know, you're a grown ass man. 916 00:32:15,068 --> 00:32:16,370 - Yes. 917 00:32:16,436 --> 00:32:18,105 - You could have found ways and times 918 00:32:18,172 --> 00:32:19,439 to see her privately. 919 00:32:19,506 --> 00:32:22,442 - Seems like she had tried before to get 920 00:32:22,509 --> 00:32:24,478 you guys to meet up in person. 921 00:32:24,545 --> 00:32:28,615 Have you been in New York City in the past 10, 12 years? 922 00:32:28,682 --> 00:32:29,650 - I plead the fifth. 923 00:32:29,716 --> 00:32:31,185 - Okay. 924 00:32:31,251 --> 00:32:33,520 Have you been to Atlantic City in the past 10, 12 years? 925 00:32:33,587 --> 00:32:35,656 - I plead the fifth. 926 00:32:35,722 --> 00:32:38,458 - Why haven't you guys video chatted, 927 00:32:38,525 --> 00:32:40,794 when clearly you're capable of it? 928 00:32:40,861 --> 00:32:43,864 Because I know she says she's asked for that over the years 929 00:32:43,931 --> 00:32:45,432 at times. 930 00:32:45,499 --> 00:32:50,437 - I just never felt comfortable ever video chat, 931 00:32:50,504 --> 00:32:53,273 especially if I've like-- haven't met you. 932 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:56,276 But even though I've known her for a long time, 933 00:32:56,343 --> 00:32:59,279 it just felt weird always trying 934 00:32:59,346 --> 00:33:01,215 to jump in to video chat. 935 00:33:01,281 --> 00:33:03,183 It's just something like I always 936 00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:05,385 felt uncomfortable doing. 937 00:33:07,387 --> 00:33:08,956 I don't know what to say. 938 00:33:09,022 --> 00:33:11,024 - I mean, you're not in a relationship. 939 00:33:11,091 --> 00:33:12,326 - No, not in a relationship. 940 00:33:12,392 --> 00:33:14,728 - Don't have kids. - Don't have kids. 941 00:33:14,795 --> 00:33:15,963 - Are you talking to anyone? 942 00:33:16,029 --> 00:33:17,297 - No, not really. 943 00:33:17,364 --> 00:33:21,401 - Have you had a long relationship? 944 00:33:21,468 --> 00:33:22,536 - Yes. 945 00:33:22,603 --> 00:33:23,804 I have. 946 00:33:23,871 --> 00:33:25,672 - Was it Rey? 947 00:33:25,739 --> 00:33:26,874 - Yeah. 948 00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:27,908 That was hard. 949 00:33:27,975 --> 00:33:29,009 That was a hard breakup. 950 00:33:29,076 --> 00:33:31,612 That was a hard relationship. 951 00:33:31,678 --> 00:33:33,113 That was a hard thing to go through. 952 00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:34,448 - Rudy, did you know that? 953 00:33:34,515 --> 00:33:35,415 - I never-- 954 00:33:35,482 --> 00:33:36,583 I don't think I've ever like-- 955 00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:38,352 - Mentioned her? 956 00:33:38,418 --> 00:33:41,221 - Throughout these past years, I've messed up. 957 00:33:41,288 --> 00:33:42,890 It has been hard. 958 00:33:42,956 --> 00:33:46,560 I don't want to like push myself into anything. 959 00:33:46,627 --> 00:33:49,062 - Well, do you consider yourself 960 00:33:49,129 --> 00:33:53,534 talking to and kind of in a thing with Rudy? 961 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,569 - It's like her friendship is important to me. 962 00:33:55,636 --> 00:33:56,970 When it comes to that, I love her. 963 00:33:57,037 --> 00:33:58,672 You know? Like-- 964 00:33:58,739 --> 00:34:00,207 - As a friend. 965 00:34:00,274 --> 00:34:02,676 - We've never-- 966 00:34:02,743 --> 00:34:06,213 I feel like we've never fully gotten to a point where 967 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,449 we could try to be together. 968 00:34:09,516 --> 00:34:11,251 - This is a unique and sort of 969 00:34:11,318 --> 00:34:14,321 very unusual situation, and I think Rudy 970 00:34:14,388 --> 00:34:16,490 feels like she wants to see. 971 00:34:16,557 --> 00:34:18,458 Like now you're both the right age 972 00:34:18,525 --> 00:34:20,627 and the right place in your life, so like finally, 973 00:34:20,694 --> 00:34:22,229 give it a go. 974 00:34:22,296 --> 00:34:23,897 And I just want to know, like, is that what you think about? 975 00:34:23,964 --> 00:34:26,333 - It's something I have to actually dwell on. 976 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,836 When you have like 17 years, it's really hard 977 00:34:28,902 --> 00:34:31,338 to like, just sit there and grab it all at once, 978 00:34:31,405 --> 00:34:34,408 you know, of everything. 979 00:34:34,474 --> 00:34:38,278 And you know, you would think the easy answer would 980 00:34:38,345 --> 00:34:40,047 just be like, yeah, like all right, Rudy, 981 00:34:40,113 --> 00:34:41,048 I'm taking you now. 982 00:34:41,114 --> 00:34:42,616 Throw you in my arms. 983 00:34:42,683 --> 00:34:46,520 Like you would think it would be that easy, but it isn't. 984 00:34:46,587 --> 00:34:48,121 That's something I'm definitely going 985 00:34:48,188 --> 00:34:52,392 to have to go deep in and like give you an actual answer. 986 00:34:52,459 --> 00:34:55,462 - You really need to think about 987 00:34:55,529 --> 00:34:56,897 what it is that you want. 988 00:34:56,964 --> 00:34:58,532 You also need to think about what it is that you 989 00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,335 want out of this, if anything. 990 00:35:01,401 --> 00:35:03,203 To manage each other's expectations 991 00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:05,239 would be important and vital, I think, 992 00:35:05,305 --> 00:35:07,107 for you to even have a decent friendship 993 00:35:07,174 --> 00:35:10,644 after this, if anything. 994 00:35:10,711 --> 00:35:11,778 - I agree. 995 00:35:11,845 --> 00:35:13,547 - Tomorrow, maybe, after you've both 996 00:35:13,614 --> 00:35:17,451 had some time to like sit with all this and think about it, 997 00:35:17,518 --> 00:35:21,054 we can meet back up, if that's cool. 998 00:35:21,121 --> 00:35:22,189 - Yeah. That's fine. 999 00:35:22,256 --> 00:35:23,423 That's fine. - All right. 1000 00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:24,725 - Nice to meet you. - Feel free to-- 1001 00:35:24,791 --> 00:35:25,726 - Nice meeting you. 1002 00:35:25,792 --> 00:35:27,261 - See you tomorrow. 1003 00:35:27,327 --> 00:35:28,862 - Oh. - Come here. 1004 00:35:28,929 --> 00:35:30,697 - Yep. See you tomorrow. - See you tomorrow. 1005 00:35:30,764 --> 00:35:34,034 - See ya. 1006 00:35:34,101 --> 00:35:36,737 - So that went...[laughs] 1007 00:35:36,803 --> 00:35:38,338 - How did that go? 1008 00:35:38,405 --> 00:35:41,775 - I mean, I think I understand what he's saying. 1009 00:35:41,842 --> 00:35:43,043 - I do too. 1010 00:35:43,110 --> 00:35:44,478 - I mean, it's not what you want to hear 1011 00:35:44,545 --> 00:35:46,180 from the person you've had a crush on for 17 years 1012 00:35:46,246 --> 00:35:47,614 after you finally meet them. 1013 00:35:47,681 --> 00:35:49,917 You want them to be like, I'm crazy about you. 1014 00:35:49,983 --> 00:35:53,187 Like, let's just--like, but he doesn't know. 1015 00:35:53,253 --> 00:35:54,388 - I appreciate the honesty. 1016 00:35:54,454 --> 00:35:55,822 I just think-- 1017 00:35:55,889 --> 00:35:58,525 - I appreciate like the practicality of it too. 1018 00:35:58,592 --> 00:36:03,030 I'm very cautious in like a lot of things I do. 1019 00:36:03,096 --> 00:36:05,098 This is the wildest thing I've ever done in my life. 1020 00:36:05,165 --> 00:36:07,534 - I think guys do what they want, 1021 00:36:07,601 --> 00:36:09,636 when they want something and someone. 1022 00:36:09,703 --> 00:36:12,306 And I know how exciting it is for you, 1023 00:36:12,372 --> 00:36:13,774 and you've got the rose-colored glasses on, 1024 00:36:13,841 --> 00:36:15,676 and I'm so happy that you feel this way. 1025 00:36:15,742 --> 00:36:18,445 I just want you to also register 1026 00:36:18,512 --> 00:36:20,314 what he's saying when he says that he has been 1027 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:21,515 to New York and Atlantic City. 1028 00:36:21,582 --> 00:36:22,983 - And Atlantic City, yep. 1029 00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:24,418 - And never hit you up. 1030 00:36:24,484 --> 00:36:25,986 So it's just something for you to think about. 1031 00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:30,157 - And no one wants to be somebody's secret toy. 1032 00:36:30,224 --> 00:36:32,326 - Well, if I were you, he would have till tomorrow 1033 00:36:32,392 --> 00:36:33,961 to say I want you here. 1034 00:36:34,027 --> 00:36:35,062 I want to be with you. 1035 00:36:35,128 --> 00:36:36,096 This is what I want. 1036 00:36:36,163 --> 00:36:37,297 I have no confusion about that. 1037 00:36:37,364 --> 00:36:38,332 No doubt. 1038 00:36:38,398 --> 00:36:39,666 So [bleep], let's do it. 1039 00:36:39,733 --> 00:36:41,068 - I think that's a lot to expect by tomorrow. 1040 00:36:41,134 --> 00:36:42,436 - Well-- 1041 00:36:42,503 --> 00:36:45,105 - I don't think so. I think Kamie is right. 1042 00:36:45,172 --> 00:36:46,507 - 17 years? 1043 00:36:46,573 --> 00:36:48,642 How long should we wait? - Yeah. 1044 00:36:54,781 --> 00:36:56,450 - Tyrell said, okay, let's meet at La Cafe Gourmet. 1045 00:36:56,517 --> 00:36:57,451 - Let's go. 1046 00:36:57,518 --> 00:37:00,254 I love Savannah. 1047 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,355 All right. 1048 00:37:01,421 --> 00:37:02,456 Ready for this? 1049 00:37:02,523 --> 00:37:04,725 - I'm ready. 1050 00:37:04,791 --> 00:37:06,159 - Our lady. 1051 00:37:06,226 --> 00:37:07,194 Oh, hello. 1052 00:37:07,261 --> 00:37:09,696 - Hey. 1053 00:37:09,763 --> 00:37:10,697 - What's up? 1054 00:37:10,764 --> 00:37:12,566 - How you doing? 1055 00:37:12,633 --> 00:37:13,901 - How you feeling today? 1056 00:37:13,967 --> 00:37:15,269 - I'm feeling great. 1057 00:37:15,335 --> 00:37:18,005 You know, I thought of like all the possibilities 1058 00:37:18,071 --> 00:37:21,275 of like what can happen after this and all that. 1059 00:37:21,341 --> 00:37:26,413 And it's just with my ex, it was a traumatic relationship, 1060 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,082 and it's really-- 1061 00:37:29,149 --> 00:37:33,020 the healing behind it is difficult. That's it. 1062 00:37:33,086 --> 00:37:37,591 And I don't know if there's like a desire to have 1063 00:37:37,658 --> 00:37:38,959 a relationship with somebody. 1064 00:37:39,026 --> 00:37:43,330 But moving forward... 1065 00:37:46,066 --> 00:37:50,137 I would love to move forward 1066 00:37:50,204 --> 00:37:53,340 romantically with her, but-- 1067 00:37:53,407 --> 00:37:58,645 there's a but-- give me time to heal. 1068 00:37:58,712 --> 00:38:00,614 I do like-- 1069 00:38:00,681 --> 00:38:03,317 - Code orange. - Yes. Same. 1070 00:38:03,383 --> 00:38:05,919 - You feel like you need a little bit more time 1071 00:38:05,986 --> 00:38:07,221 to sort through some things? 1072 00:38:07,287 --> 00:38:08,188 - Yes. 1073 00:38:08,255 --> 00:38:13,060 - But you do have physical 1074 00:38:13,126 --> 00:38:17,731 and emotional feelings and attraction to Rudy? 1075 00:38:17,798 --> 00:38:20,234 - Yes. - Okay. 1076 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,637 - And I respect how you feel and your feelings about this, 1077 00:38:23,704 --> 00:38:25,472 and I completely agree. 1078 00:38:25,539 --> 00:38:27,741 - I think it's safe to say, at the moment right now, 1079 00:38:27,808 --> 00:38:32,679 you both agree to give this a try but to move slowly. 1080 00:38:32,746 --> 00:38:35,749 So here you are in this beautiful city, finally. 1081 00:38:35,816 --> 00:38:39,052 You guys should spend some time without us and enjoy the day. 1082 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,688 Walk around, check it out, grab some food, whatever. 1083 00:38:41,755 --> 00:38:43,357 - Seize the day. - Yeah. 1084 00:38:43,423 --> 00:38:44,391 Enjoy it. 1085 00:38:44,458 --> 00:38:45,392 - Thank you. 1086 00:38:45,459 --> 00:38:46,393 - Of course. 1087 00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:47,528 - Thank you. 1088 00:38:47,594 --> 00:38:48,529 - Thank you, Nev. 1089 00:38:48,595 --> 00:38:49,730 Thank you. 1090 00:38:49,796 --> 00:38:50,831 - Don't be shy about those feelings. 1091 00:38:50,898 --> 00:38:52,466 - Yeah. Good to meet you. 1092 00:38:52,533 --> 00:38:53,967 - Nice to meet you too. - Good luck. 1093 00:38:54,034 --> 00:38:55,135 - All right, guys. 1094 00:38:55,202 --> 00:38:56,403 - Take care of our girl. 1095 00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:58,338 - Get on out of here, guys. - All right. 1096 00:38:58,405 --> 00:39:00,707 - Don't have her out past when those streetlights come on. 1097 00:39:00,774 --> 00:39:02,543 It's time to come home. 1098 00:39:02,609 --> 00:39:04,745 Look at us. 1099 00:39:04,811 --> 00:39:06,146 This is great. 1100 00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:07,514 - You think they've got a chance? 1101 00:39:07,581 --> 00:39:09,016 - We'll see. 1102 00:39:09,082 --> 00:39:11,418 Might take another 17 years, but they'll figure it out. 1103 00:39:11,485 --> 00:39:14,188 Now, we should go enjoy Savannah. 1104 00:39:14,254 --> 00:39:15,756 - All right. Let's go. 1105 00:39:15,822 --> 00:39:17,624 - ♪♪ Just take me out and break me in half ♪♪ 1106 00:39:17,691 --> 00:39:20,427 ♪♪ Ooh, the snack that smiles back ♪♪ 1107 00:39:20,494 --> 00:39:22,029 [computer chimes] 1108 00:39:22,095 --> 00:39:24,932 - Hey! - Rudy! 1109 00:39:24,998 --> 00:39:25,899 - Look at you. - I love this hair. 1110 00:39:25,966 --> 00:39:27,267 - So beautiful. 1111 00:39:27,334 --> 00:39:28,836 - Yes. 1112 00:39:28,902 --> 00:39:30,170 - So what happened? 1113 00:39:30,237 --> 00:39:31,538 So you guys spent the afternoon together. 1114 00:39:31,605 --> 00:39:32,840 - Yeah. It was nice. 1115 00:39:32,906 --> 00:39:34,308 It was cute. It was cute. 1116 00:39:34,374 --> 00:39:37,077 But it wasn't a week or two 1117 00:39:37,144 --> 00:39:39,847 until he started being a butthole. 1118 00:39:39,913 --> 00:39:41,448 - Oh. - Hmm. 1119 00:39:41,515 --> 00:39:43,517 - He said some not nice things. - What? 1120 00:39:43,584 --> 00:39:46,987 - Well, the last thing I said to him was, 1121 00:39:47,054 --> 00:39:49,523 you haven't made me feel this sad in 10 years, 1122 00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:51,191 and he said, I didn't even think 1123 00:39:51,258 --> 00:39:53,994 you had the soul to be sad. 1124 00:39:54,061 --> 00:39:55,128 - What? 1125 00:39:55,195 --> 00:39:56,530 - Excuse me? - Wow. 1126 00:39:56,597 --> 00:39:58,565 What a interesting turn of events. 1127 00:39:58,632 --> 00:39:59,867 - I know. 1128 00:39:59,933 --> 00:40:01,268 So what are you thinking? 1129 00:40:01,335 --> 00:40:03,670 Do you still want anything with Tyrell, or... 1130 00:40:03,737 --> 00:40:07,307 - The foot is 80% out the door, but you know, 1131 00:40:07,374 --> 00:40:09,510 you're still looking in the window a little bit. 1132 00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:10,811 - Mm-hmm. 1133 00:40:10,878 --> 00:40:12,312 - Right now, I'm just, you know, doing me. 1134 00:40:12,379 --> 00:40:15,215 - Well, happy to see you, and good luck. 1135 00:40:15,282 --> 00:40:17,050 - Good to see you, Rudy. - Take care. 1136 00:40:17,117 --> 00:40:18,385 - Bye, girl. - Bye, Kamie. 1137 00:40:18,452 --> 00:40:19,586 Bye, Nev. 1138 00:40:19,653 --> 00:40:20,687 - Bye. [computer chimes] 1139 00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:21,755 - Hey. 1140 00:40:21,822 --> 00:40:23,323 - Hey. - Hey. 1141 00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:25,025 How you doing? - I'm doing good. 1142 00:40:25,092 --> 00:40:27,060 - So we talked to Rudy. 1143 00:40:27,127 --> 00:40:29,663 - Oh. Okay. 1144 00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:32,399 Me and her, we were talking. 1145 00:40:32,466 --> 00:40:35,636 We talked for like a couple of days, and then I think I did-- 1146 00:40:35,702 --> 00:40:38,205 I probably did kind of gotten her angry a little bit 1147 00:40:38,272 --> 00:40:40,374 or worked up over some words. 1148 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,377 - She said you told her she has no soul. 1149 00:40:43,443 --> 00:40:46,613 - And I've said sorry over 100 times. 1150 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,449 - Maybe she didn't feel it was a heartfelt apology. 1151 00:40:49,516 --> 00:40:51,652 - How can I get that heartfelt apology, 1152 00:40:51,718 --> 00:40:52,886 if she doesn't talk to me? 1153 00:40:52,953 --> 00:40:54,154 - Do you still like the idea 1154 00:40:54,221 --> 00:40:55,622 of being in a relationship with her? 1155 00:40:55,689 --> 00:40:57,157 - Yeah. - Okay. 1156 00:40:57,224 --> 00:40:58,825 Well, I think you just need to make sure she knows that, 1157 00:40:58,892 --> 00:41:01,128 and then tell her that you're sorry, and that you miss her 1158 00:41:01,195 --> 00:41:02,496 and whatever you feel. 1159 00:41:02,563 --> 00:41:03,630 - Okay. 1160 00:41:03,697 --> 00:41:05,465 - You know, 17 years is a long time. 1161 00:41:05,532 --> 00:41:07,901 I hope you guys can mend this thing that happened 1162 00:41:07,968 --> 00:41:09,236 and get back on track. - I agree. 1163 00:41:09,303 --> 00:41:11,672 - Good luck. - All right, Tyrell. Take care. 1164 00:41:11,738 --> 00:41:12,606 - Bye. - All right. Bye. 1165 00:41:17,978 --> 00:41:19,012 - What is it about Megan that you're so attracted to? 1166 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,013 - How sweet she is. 1167 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,582 I feel strongly towards her. 1168 00:41:21,648 --> 00:41:23,050 - Just wish the best, man. 1169 00:41:23,116 --> 00:41:24,218 I hope she's real. 1170 00:41:24,284 --> 00:41:25,586 - Hello? 1171 00:41:27,855 --> 00:41:30,224 - That means he's also likely Megan. 1172 00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:32,125 - Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. 1173 00:41:32,192 --> 00:41:33,227 There's a note. 1174 00:41:33,293 --> 00:41:35,395 - It just says I'm sorry. - [gasps] 1175 00:41:39,933 --> 00:41:42,836 [upbeat music] 1176 00:41:42,903 --> 00:41:50,010 ♪♪ ♪♪