- ♪♪ MTV ♪♪
- Did you think, when you started
talking to Tyrell 17 years ago,
that it would end up like this?
- I didn't think I would even still be talking to him.
- Has he ever mentioned to you his online girlfriend?
- Tomorrow's either going to be a dream come true
or a horrible nightmare.
[dramatic music]
- Let's do a ring check.
- Drip check.
- Ring check.
I like where we're going with this.
- Great. All right.
Well, let's get through this episode
so that I might have some time to hit up some pawn shops.
- I need behind the scenes of you at these pawn shops,
so people can understand why every time you
come back to a new episode, you have on
a new gaudy gold ring.
- Are they gaudy? - They're good though.
- Oh, okay.
- Like they-- they work for you.
- All right. Whoa, we got a long email here.
"Dear Nev and Kamie, My name is Rudy.
I'm a 30-year-old marketing specialist from New Jersey."
- ♪♪ Me without you is like the sun without the moon ♪♪
- "I'm reaching out to you because I've been
talking to a 32-year-old man named Tyrell for 17 years."
- No.
[laughter]
- Am I reading that right?
- It's impossible. - That's impossible.
- It's preposterous.
- "I met Tyrell in 2004 on a teen chatroom."
- ♪♪ We stayed up till 5:00 a. m. talking about life ♪♪
- "We exchanged phone numbers that night
"and literally spent all night and every night
"for the next five years as landline lovers.
"Our relationship fizzled about 2010.
"I was a first year in college, and he was active military
"stationed all over the world.
"In 2011, while I was home for a break,
"I logged into Messenger, and there he was.
So we started catching up."
- ♪♪ We stayed up till 6:00 a. m. ♪♪
♪♪ We did it again ♪♪
- "This was also our first and only attempt
"at video messaging, but he was completely in the dark,
so I couldn't see what he looked like."
- Mm-mm.
- "In 2013, Tyrell added me on Facebook.
"At the time, he was living in San Diego
"and had a girlfriend.
"After his relationship ended, we started talking more,
"and our conversations became a bit spicy
and have been ever since."
- ♪♪ I remember when he said, when he said, whoo ♪♪
- "But every time I brought up visiting him in San Diego,
"he would change the subject.
"His pattern for excuses makes me doubt
"who he is, or at the very least,
"think that he may have a secret life
"and is using our distance to hide
"a relationship, kids, or more.
"But it's hard not to have love for a person
"that has been a fixture in my life since I was 13.
"If I mean as much to him as he does to me,
"there should be no reason for excuses or hesitation.
"Can you please help?
Rudy."
Wow.
We need to call Rudy.
- Can't waste another second.
- 17 years, that is a lifetime.
- That is a lifetime.
[phone ringing]
- Rudy.
- It's Nevie and Kamie.
- We just read your insane email.
17 years is crazy.
- Where in Jersey are you?
- So look, we'll come to Trenton.
We've got to figure this out. We have to figure this out.
We got to meet this guy, wherever he is.
- Yes.
- We'll see you soon.
- All right, bye.
- See ya, Rudy.
I have so many questions. - Come on.
Right? Like we got to go.
We got to go. We got to go.
- ♪♪ I fell in love with the way you move ♪♪
- Jersey.
- 17 years, Kamie.
- That's like a life partner at that point.
Like do we want to blow this thing up?
- There it is.
All right. - [laughs]
[knock on door]
Rudy.
- Hey. Come out?
Come out. Hi.
- Good to meet you. - Good to meet you.
- What's up?
Come in.
- Let's go inside.
- All right.
Let's have a seat, get into it.
Ah. We're here. - Hi.
- Thank you for coming.
- Did you think, when you started talking
to Tyrell, 17 years ago...
- Jeez.
- That it would end up like this?
- There wasn't even a "Catfish."
- There was no this.
- It didn't exist.
- Wild.
- I didn't think I would even still be talking to him.
- Can you just take us back to the very beginning?
- So we met on a teen chatroom, and we started talking.
That night, we exchanged phone numbers,
and we were talking on the phone that entire night.
- When did you first see a picture of him?
- On his profile on the teen website.
- But he's cute--he's cute.
- He's cute.
And we talked on the phone like every night,
throughout--like all throughout high school for me.
- Whoa. - I know, kind of cute.
- So he was your boyfriend. - Yeah.
- And you would say I love you?
- Yeah.
We were young, and we were talking on like landline.
So we had a code for I love you.
- Mm. - Oh, what was it?
- What was the code?
- Code orange-- it meant nothing,
but it meant everything.
- So you would just say code orange.
- And you know what it means.
- I love this.
- Where were you living at the time?
- I was in New Jersey.
- And where was Tyrell?
- South Carolina. - Okay.
So you were both East Coast.
At any point in those high school years,
was there a discussion about meeting up?
- Oh, yeah.
It was always like after--
when we become adults.
That's what we were going to do.
- Okay.
So you guys--so then you go to college.
Tyrell goes to the military?
- Mm-hmm.
- So that must have sort of put a little bit
of a kink in your plans. - Yeah.
He was, at the time, stationed in Japan, Okinawa,
and our time differences were crazy,
and it just had a natural like, fade out.
- Did you meet anybody else?
- Yeah. - You did.
So you had your first sort of physical
romantic relationship? - Yes.
- And was that like a serious thing?
- Yes.
- So when did things
kind of get serious again?
- Around 2016, he was no longer overseas,
and we actually kind of caught up.
He had done a tour in Afghanistan.
So that would have been like difficult
for him to even communicate with me during that time.
- But you don't talk on a landline anymore.
- No. - Right.
How do you guys speak now?
- On Messenger and Snapchat.
- So you don't have a cell phone number for him?
- No. - Weird.
So then you guys started talking again,
and like did it kind of pick up where it left off?
- Yeah. We've been dating,
and I told him my sister was a flight attendant.
So I had travel benefits, and I told him twice
that I'm ready to fly out.
- Right.
- But he'll stop saying you should come out
when I'm actually taking him up on it.
- Hmm.
Had he ever suggested coming to see you?
- I've suggested it, and he said
he's not coming to New Jersey.
There's nothing in New Jersey.
- You're in New Jersey. - Yeah.
I'm in New Jersey.
- I don't know if I like his attitude.
- And every time you ask or try to video chat,
as it becomes easier and easier and more accessible,
do you ever like just call him?
- All the time.
Doesn't respond.
Will respond to a voice call before he
responds to a video call.
- But you have video called.
- Yes, once in 2011, and then once recently,
but the recent video call, there were no faces involved.
- So where was the camera facing?
- Private parts.
- [laughs] - Oh!
Oh, my God.
Got it. Got it.
And then the first time you video chatted in 2011, no face.
- Very dark face.
It was nighttime, so he didn't want
to turn on any main lights.
So I really didn't get a chance to see him.
- That's why I'm feeling like he's
not the guy in the pictures. - Yeah.
You must have considered that.
I mean, do you think there's a chance
he's not the guy in the pictures that you've seen?
- Um, I think there's a--
there could be a chance.
- Because why else would he avoid it,
and has he offered you any explanation
as to why he doesn't want to video chat?
- No.
- When you know he clearly can.
- His explanation usually is, I can't right now.
I'm busy.
- Even if he's not
the guy in the pictures from back then, like 2004
was like so long ago.
It was like a lawless land on the internet.
You could do whatever you wanted to do.
So like even if he was using a different picture,
everybody was lying.
Were you using your pictures and like--
- Absolutely not.
- See?
- He didn't know who I was until 2011.
- Whoa. Wait. So--
- I rest my case.
- When you first met, 2011, you were using
pictures of someone else. - Yes.
- Who? - Oh, my God.
- I don't know, some pictures from Google.
It was reckless out there.
- It was really a different time.
- It was a different time.
- And how did you admit to him that you had lied?
- My video camera.
- And so what, you got on a video chat with him?
- Yeah.
- So the time he was in the dark,
you showed your face? - Yeah.
- And you were just, hey, sorry, this is me?
- Yeah.
- And did he--what did he say?
- He said he didn't care.
- But if he was using different pictures too,
that would have been a perfect opportunity to say so.
- Right.
Perfect opportunity to tell you.
- Yeah.
- But he doesn't.
- No. - All right.
Well, now, where would you sort of say you are with this guy?
- I'm dating for a relationship.
If you want to be with me, we're going to be together.
- Right.
- And when you were younger,
you used to talk about your future plans.
Like does he still talk like that?
- Yeah.
We have a 35 pact, a pact for 35.
- What's the pact?
- We're getting married at 35, a marriage pact.
- It's not that far away.
- Yeah, I know.
- Obviously, a high school crush is one thing,
but now you're an adult.
You've had other relationships.
Like what is it about Tyrell that you like so much?
- I like our history.
I like his sense of humor.
I like his face.
It's the feeling that I also have
when I think about him too.
- Are you in love with him?
- I code orange him.
- She's in love with him.
Look at your face.
[laughter]
- I got to see this guy.
Can I see his Instagram, or what's the best
way to see a picture of him? - Sure.
Instagram would be the best.
- Okay.
Come sit here.
- Okay.
So there's face pictures. - Yeah.
Tyrell, just for fun.
Love the U. S. Marine Corps, okay, and he loves gaming.
So there he is.
Yeah.
He's got a nice look to him.
- If it's really him.
- I mean, I don't think I've ever wanted
a relationship to work out more than this.
What a great, epic love story.
- Thanks.
- I think it's a great love story, but what is he hiding?
- Yeah.
- And I feel like, if you don't see where it can go,
you'll always think about where it could have been.
- Yeah, and I don't want to--
gosh, I'm already 30.
I don't want to think in like 10 years--
- What if?
- What if? Yeah.
- I know you've waited 17 years,
but just give us one more day. - Okay.
- And let us see if we can figure this out.
- Sounds great. - Let's get to it.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
- Good to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
- And we will see you soon.
- See ya.
- I don't know.
I don't know.
The video chat thing is weird.
- That's so weird.
If you can show your ding-a-ling,
you can show your face.
- And she had lied to him.
- Right. - I mean,
this relationship has been going on
for 17 years.
I think it's probably the most intense,
the longest relationship we've ever seen on the show.
If this guy isn't who he says he is,
there's a lot on the line.
- Time to investigate.
- So cute. [chuckles]
- All right.
Rudy and Tyrell have been talking
since they were teenagers, for 17 years.
It's an insanely long internet relationship
that is somehow still shrouded in mystery.
Who is Tyrell?
What is really going on?
All right. Let's get down to business.
Here's an email from Rudy.
"Hey guys. I was really nervous yesterday
"because I really care about Tyrell.
"I don't have a number for him, but here's what I do know.
"He's 32, lived in Bluffton, South Carolina,
"then San Diego, and served in Afghanistan
"and Japan as a Marine.
When we met, he knew me as Paradise."
Whoa, she didn't tell us that.
- She definitely didn't say she had a different name.
- Wow. Oh, my God.
- Wow.
- "He grew up with his grandparents
and cousin April."
So here's his Snapchat and a Facebook page
and an Instagram. - Mm-hmm.
Let's start with the Facebook
because we haven't seen it yet.
♪♪ ♪♪
- All right.
Worked at Marine Corps recruiting.
Let's see, he's got 1,100 friends, seems legit.
- Yeah.
If this is a fake page, it goes way back.
- Now, we're back into 2013.
There's also the Instagram.
He's got--he's got a lot of posts on here.
I mean, this account feels pretty legit.
Is he tagged?
- Oh, look. Look at that comment.
"Yo what's up with that other page?
Is it fake?"
What other page?
- Is there another Tyrell [bleep]?
[dramatic music]
- Oh. - Whoa.
He's got another account.
What is this?
- That's him too.
- Interesting.
I mean, this profile looks kind of legit.
Which one is real?
- I don't know.
- Are these both his?
Oh, "Thank you to my baby girl Rey.
"She always finds some way to inspire me
to get off my high horse."
Who's his baby girl Rey?
- Baby girl or does he mean, baby girl?
It could be a kid or a wife.
- Maybe this is his real page,
and he's hiding it from Ruby so that she
doesn't find out about Rey.
- Find Rey.
- All right.
Is he following somebody named Rey?
Rey.
- No Rey, but here's an Ariel.
Could that be Rey?
- I don't know.
- What if Ariel--
could Ari, Rey, L, Ariel, Rey, Ariel?
You see what I'm saying?
And look at the last name.
Ariel has the same last name as Tyrell.
What does that mean?
They're either related or they're married.
- All right.
You know what, let's just do a quick people search.
- Because we'll be able to see like family members.
- Or maybe even marriage?
I don't know. - Oh, it's right--
- Boom. - He's the only Tyrell.
- Bluffton, South Carolina.
It's like boom.
- His address. - 32 relatives.
View Relatives?
Is any of these--
April, his cousin, she's listed.
- Yeah.
- So everything he's told her checks out.
So unless he's hiding a wife or a girlfriend, it's just him.
All right.
Look, there's a phone number listed for his cousin
right here.
I think we should just call her.
At the very least, April should be able to tell us
if he's married or has kids.
[phone ringing]
- Hello. Hi. Is this April?
- Hello. My name is Nev
from that TV show "Catfish."
- Are you familiar with that show?
- I called you because we're helping this girl who
has been talking to this guy on the internet for a long time.
- Okay.
- And we're pretty sure it's your cousin Tyrell.
- Where does he live now?
- Is he married?
- Oh, okay.
- Is he in a relationship?
- Hey. This is Kamie.
Who is Rey?
- What about Ariel?
- Oh, sister.
- Has he ever mentioned to you or talked
about his like, online friends at times
and sort of girlfriend at other times?
- Oh, Paradise or Dice.
You say Dice?
- Weird. Huh.
- Someone's lying.
- Somebody needs to "Tyrell" the truth.
- Right. Well, look.
I don't want to make any assumptions.
Talking to you has been very helpful,
but it sounds like we should just be talking to Tyrell.
Surely he has a phone number. Right?
- Okay. Well, if you don't want
to give me his phone number, could you perhaps
let him know that I'd love to talk to him,
and you could give him our phone number?
- All right, April. - Thanks.
- Yeah. Thank you.
- See you. Bye. Whoa. Okay.
We confirmed Tyrell is who he says he is,
but now there's this weird other side of the story.
- Yeah. - So either Tyrell
is lying to his cousin, which would be weird,
or Rudy is lying to us.
And she's the one who--
maybe she never told him who she really is,
and she wants to, and she's too nervous.
- I just got chills.
That's--
- That could be what's going on.
We could be unknowingly...
- Helping--
- Reverse catfishing...
- Yeah. - Tyrell.
When we started this investigation,
a lot of questions for Tyrell.
Now I got questions for Rudy.
♪♪ ♪♪
- So what are we going to tell Rudy?
[tense music]
It's him.
We confirmed Tyrell is who he says he is,
but he's been trying to meet you, and--
- Where you been?
There's no real big thing that's keeping them apart.
- Apparently not, unless she's not telling us the truth.
- Right.
We will get to the bottom of this.
- Yeah.
[knock on door]
- Hey. - Hey.
- What's up?
[laughter]
- Ooh.
Well, you told us about Paradise in the email.
- Gosh, huh.
Sounds like you got more information
about me than Tyrell.
- Maybe.
- I don't know.
You tell us.
- I'm worried.
I'm not worried. I'm worried.
Not worried.
- Hopefully, you can clear up
some questions we got.
- Look, before we get into all that,
let me just take you through what we found,
and then we can kind of get into the concerns
and questions we have for you.
- Okay.
- All right.
So let's get into this.
- Let's get into it.
- First thing we did was we
went to his Instagram and--
- Definitely was his Instagram. - Right.
Right. So you've seen this.
You've looked through these pictures.
- Yeah. - Right? Okay.
So we wanted to do the same thing,
read some comments.
- "Yo what's up with that other page?
Is it fake?"
What other page?
- So we did a search for Tyrell, and this comes up.
- Mm-hmm. - Do you know--
- No.
- That account is?
- So there's this one, which is one you know.
- Yeah.
I've never seen the other page.
- Weird, right? - Yeah.
- He has just as many followers
on this other one, or almost.
- Yeah.
- He's following more on this one.
I mean, this one almost feels like it's
more active, but weird that he would have
a pretty active Instagram page
that you don't know about.
When we go to one of the posts on this page,
we read this caption.
- "Thank you to my baby girl Rey."
- Feels like he's talking about a girlfriend,
but has he ever mentioned a baby girl Rey?
- Nuh-uh, no.
- When was the last time he had a girlfriend,
that you know of?
- I want to say like 2016, 2017.
- Okay.
- And her name wasn't Rey.
- So the question is like, could he still be dating her?
- And that could be why he doesn't
want you seeing this account.
- Okay.
So here's where it gets even more interesting.
We searched for him on this background check website,
and remarkably, it appears to be him.
It says he's 32.
- Yeah.
- Born in Bluffton, South Carolina.
We clicked on relatives, and it took us to a list,
and one of them is his cousin April.
So at this point, we're thinking
like, this is checking out.
This is crazy, rare for us.
So we decided, let's give April a call.
- Okay.
- Because there's a phone number
listed for her here.
So we called, and she answered.
I said, we're trying to help this girl.
She's been talking to Tyrell for a long time.
She said, oh, I think I know
who you're talking about, Dice.
- Yeah.
- I said, well, is Tyrell in a relationship?
Is he married?
She said, no, no, not married, and she
didn't know who Rey was.
But when I then said, why does he keep avoiding meeting up
and not wanting to video chat?
And April said, that's not Tyrell.
- To not want to do that?
- She said, he tells her you're the one
who's been avoiding meeting him.
- Nah.
- She was like, he's been
trying to meet Dice for years.
Every time, she's the one who hasn't been coming forward.
- Absolutely not.
- Does that mean that Tyrell's weirdly lying
to his cousin about you not wanting
to meet up with him because--
and why would he do that?
- I don't know.
- Like why would he be, A, avoiding meeting up with you
and then telling his cousin
it's actually you avoiding him?
You're telling us the truth?
- Yeah.
- Weird that he told April
that you have been the one avoiding meeting up.
Paradise--
- And you swear that you came clean...
- To him? - To him.
- Uh...
I think we discussed this yesterday.
♪♪ ♪♪
I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
- And you swear that you came clean?
- To him?
- To him.
- I think we discussed this yesterday.
I feel like I'm going to throw up.
Yes.
- Yes, he knows who you are, like you told us?
- Yes.
- And he knows your real name?
- Yes.
- And you feel like you've 100% been
ready and willing to meet him?
- I feel like I've always been ready and willing.
- So it's mostly always felt like he was--
- Because we follow each other on Instagram.
- Right. Well then, that being--
so if that's true, does that mean that Tyrell
is weirdly lying about you not wanting
to meet up with him because--
and why would he do that?
- That's a question for him.
- I asked April if she would either give us his number
or let him know that we'd like to speak to him.
So she said, okay, I'll let him know.
- Do we want to text April and be like, hey,
did you get a chance to talk to him?
- Sure.
Hey, April.
It's Nev, wondering...
[phone dings]
- Oh.
"Hey Nev.
"Yes, I've spoken to him.
Here's his number."
All right.
Let's just call him.
- I can't be in here. Can I leave?
- No. Just--
- I have to stay? - Shh, quiet.
Breathe.
[phone ringing]
- Hello.
Tyrell?
- Hey. It's Nev.
- I got your number from April.
She said she spoke to you.
- I don't know what April told you,
but you and Rudy have been talking for a long time.
- Mm-hmm.
- Recently, it feels like it's sort of
the perfect opportunity and timing for you guys
to finally meet, and she wasn't sure
if there was something keeping you from meeting her
and reached out to us just to help see
if we could facilitate that.
- So what do you say?
Can we make this happen finally,
after almost 20 years?
- Okay.
So you are in South Carolina.
- And if we were to come down there,
which we can very easily do,
would you be willing to meet up with us?
- But Savannah is just like the closest,
easiest place to meet up.
- Fly into.
- I see.
I'm going to text you tomorrow as we're traveling,
and I'd love to make sure you're going to like just--
stay in touch.
- Talk to you tomorrow.
- Okay, bye.
- What do I wear?
- [laughs] I thought she was going to scream.
- All right. - I'm excited.
I'm excited.
I'm scared.
- We'll pack up tonight, and then we'll
just all go to the airport--
- All right. - Together.
- Cool.
Sounds amazing.
- Paradise is on the way.
- We'll see you in the morning.
- [squeals]
It's happening.
- I think it's going to happen.
- I hope so. - But there's gotta be some--
I mean, how long was he going to wait?
- I don't know.
But while we've got him, we have to--
- Yeah.
I mean, look, tomorrow's either going to be a dream come true
or a horrible nightmare.
♪♪ ♪♪
- Oh, good morning.
Wow. Look at this look.
Oh, she is suited and booted, honey.
- You really-- - You really--
- Got the fit. - Thanks.
- I have a text. - Oh.
- Yeah.
It says, "Hi, it's Tyrell.
"Let me know when you all land in Savannah.
"There are definitely things Rudy and I need to talk about.
"Honestly, the more real this gets, the more unsure
"I am about it all.
"Please, just don't hype her up too much for this.
I don't want to end up looking like the bad guy."
- Now I'm more nervous.
- I don't like the "don't hype her up too much."
- Yeah, but it is--
I think it's probably good to come in cool.
- Yeah. - Not expecting anything.
- All right, let's go.
♪♪ ♪♪
- What could he need to talk to me about?
- And what would make him look like the bad guy?
♪♪ ♪♪
- I don't know.
- We'll find out soon enough.
♪♪ ♪♪
- All right.
Let's get on that plane.
We finally got a private jet.
It only took 10 years, but here it is.
- ♪♪ Beyond the stars, out where the sun sets ♪♪
♪♪ We'll find the light, and we'll keep it a secret ♪♪
- It's incredible.
- ♪♪ Anywhere you want to go ♪♪
♪♪ Show you my world ♪♪
♪♪ Oh, world ♪♪
♪♪ Show you my world ♪♪
♪♪ Oh, world ♪♪
♪♪ Show you my world ♪♪
- Made it to Savannah.
♪♪ ♪♪
All right.
Let's do this. - Okay.
- All right.
- I'm going to text Tyrell. - Yes.
- "Hey. Just made it in.
We're ready if you are."
He said, "Okay, meet at Tom Triplett Park."
"Okay. Sounds good." - All right.
Great.
Oh, boy.
Here we go.
- 17 years.
- Down to this, to this car ride.
Anxious. I'm nervous.
I'm excited.
- I'm still needing to know why we weren't
supposed to hype you up.
What is the big secret?
- And I'm leaning on you guys to help me
ask those hard questions.
- Okay.
- There it is.
- In the nose, out the mouth.
In the nose, out the mouth.
♪♪ ♪♪
- See, there's like a weird, little--
- Gazebo thing? - Yeah.
What is that?
Is there someone over there?
I feel like I sort of--
- It's a figure. - There's a person.
- There's a person, right? - Yeah, there's a figure.
There's definitely a figure there.
♪♪ ♪♪
It's definitely somebody.
- You can see someone? - Yes.
He's sitting on the--
- Is it a brown person? - I think so.
- It's a brown person?
- I think so.
- Oh, Jesus.
Oh, that is so... [laughter]
Great.
Uh, nope. Nope.
- All right. Take your time.
No rush. Should I go over first?
- [laughs] Sure. Go.
- You guys hang.
- [groans] I know. - Be careful.
- I know. Get your light.
- Hello?
- All right.
- You guys hang.
[suspenseful music]
- Girl.
- Hello?
- Wait. Is that him?
- I'm running the other way.
- How you doing? - I'm all right.
Are you Tyrell?
- Yeah.
- Oh, you're tall. - Yeah.
Yeah. - Wow.
That's him.
What's up?
Hi.
- Hey. - How are you?
- I'm doing good. How you doing?
- I'm good. - [mumbles indistinctly]
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
I'm Kamie. - Oh, yeah. Sorry.
- How you doing? Tyrell. - Good to meet you, Tyrell.
- Nice to meet you too.
- You are exactly who you claim to be.
- Yeah.
- Feels weird, like him standing
eight feet away from me.
- How are you feeling right now,
standing here, looking at her, finally?
- To finally meet her, awesome. I feel--
- Relieved? - Yes. It is relief.
- What did you have to tell me in that text message?
Because that text message had a lot.
- The text message you sent us this morning.
We showed Rudy.
- I didn't know--
I didn't know like what I would feel.
I didn't know like what that feeling would be.
I've known you forever, and then I'm
meeting you on the same day.
It's like--it's kind of like an interesting feeling.
So it was a lot of like, overwhelming stuff.
You know?
- So you're concerned that, after 17 years of anticipation
and build up, that like, it's a lot
to live up to for both of you. - Yeah. It is.
- I understand the feeling of being overwhelmed because I
have been anxious these past couple of days,
frantic, nervous.
- Yeah? - Yeah.
Absolutely.
So I understand being overwhelmed.
- So when was this
going to happen if we didn't do this overwhelming thing?
- Probably another 17 years.
- Yikes. - Uh...
- I'm trying to figure out why that is.
Because you've been back living in the States for a while.
- For a while.
- By the way, thank you for your service.
- Oh, you're welcome. Thank you.
- But you've been living here.
Rudy has offered to travel to meet you.
Like there have been, I feel like, plenty
of opportunities to see and meet and like give it a try.
- And it's always been my insecurity.
Like you know, she'd meet me, I ain't gonna
be the dude that she liked.
You know? - Sure.
I can understand that.
But we talked to some people, and it
seems you've been spinning this differently to your family.
Because your cousin told us that you told her
that Rudy has sort of been the one
that's hesitated and avoided.
- I think my cousin April, she kind of got that confused.
- She still thinks her name is Dice.
- Right. - Yes.
- Right.
- I don't talk about personal stuff,
like life that much with family.
Like I've always kind of wanted our relationship
to be private in a sense.
Like y'all ever had like something that you don't want
your friends or anybody to know,
like a toy, when you're a kid, something you grab?
- You're not making this sound better.
- I'm not making any sense? Oh, my God.
- Yeah.
No, it just doesn't sound-- or it doesn't sound good.
- I mean, it's messed up calling her a toy.
So let me help you out here.
I think I understand what you're saying, but--
you know, you're a grown ass man.
- Yes.
- You could have found ways and times
to see her privately.
- Seems like she had tried before to get
you guys to meet up in person.
Have you been in New York City in the past 10, 12 years?
- I plead the fifth.
- Okay.
Have you been to Atlantic City in the past 10, 12 years?
- I plead the fifth.
- Why haven't you guys video chatted,
when clearly you're capable of it?
Because I know she says she's asked for that over the years
at times.
- I just never felt comfortable ever video chat,
especially if I've like-- haven't met you.
But even though I've known her for a long time,
it just felt weird always trying
to jump in to video chat.
It's just something like I always
felt uncomfortable doing.
I don't know what to say.
- I mean, you're not in a relationship.
- No, not in a relationship.
- Don't have kids. - Don't have kids.
- Are you talking to anyone?
- No, not really.
- Have you had a long relationship?
- Yes.
I have.
- Was it Rey?
- Yeah.
That was hard.
That was a hard breakup.
That was a hard relationship.
That was a hard thing to go through.
- Rudy, did you know that?
- I never--
I don't think I've ever like--
- Mentioned her?
- Throughout these past years, I've messed up.
It has been hard.
I don't want to like push myself into anything.
- Well, do you consider yourself
talking to and kind of in a thing with Rudy?
- It's like her friendship is important to me.
When it comes to that, I love her.
You know? Like--
- As a friend.
- We've never--
I feel like we've never fully gotten to a point where
we could try to be together.
- This is a unique and sort of
very unusual situation, and I think Rudy
feels like she wants to see.
Like now you're both the right age
and the right place in your life, so like finally,
give it a go.
And I just want to know, like, is that what you think about?
- It's something I have to actually dwell on.
When you have like 17 years, it's really hard
to like, just sit there and grab it all at once,
you know, of everything.
And you know, you would think the easy answer would
just be like, yeah, like all right, Rudy,
I'm taking you now.
Throw you in my arms.
Like you would think it would be that easy, but it isn't.
That's something I'm definitely going
to have to go deep in and like give you an actual answer.
- You really need to think about
what it is that you want.
You also need to think about what it is that you
want out of this, if anything.
To manage each other's expectations
would be important and vital, I think,
for you to even have a decent friendship
after this, if anything.
- I agree.
- Tomorrow, maybe, after you've both
had some time to like sit with all this and think about it,
we can meet back up, if that's cool.
- Yeah. That's fine.
- All right.
- Nice to meet you. - Feel free to--
- Nice meeting you.
- See you tomorrow.
- Oh. - Come here.
- Yep. See you tomorrow. - See you tomorrow.
- See ya.
- So that went...[laughs]
- How did that go?
- I mean, I think I understand what he's saying.
- I do too.
- I mean, it's not what you want to hear
from the person you've had a crush on for 17 years
after you finally meet them.
You want them to be like, I'm crazy about you.
Like, let's just--like, but he doesn't know.
- I appreciate the honesty.
I just think--
- I appreciate like the practicality of it too.
I'm very cautious in like a lot of things I do.
This is the wildest thing I've ever done in my life.
- I think guys do what they want,
when they want something and someone.
And I know how exciting it is for you,
and you've got the rose-colored glasses on,
and I'm so happy that you feel this way.
I just want you to also register
what he's saying when he says that he has been
to New York and Atlantic City.
- And Atlantic City, yep.
- And never hit you up.
So it's just something for you to think about.
- And no one wants to be somebody's secret toy.
- Well, if I were you, he would have till tomorrow
to say I want you here.
I want to be with you.
This is what I want.
I have no confusion about that.
No doubt.
So [bleep], let's do it.
- I think that's a lot to expect by tomorrow.
- Well--
- I don't think so. I think Kamie is right.
- 17 years?
How long should we wait? - Yeah.
- Tyrell said, okay, let's meet at La Cafe Gourmet.
- Let's go.
I love Savannah.
All right.
Ready for this?
- I'm ready.
- Our lady.
Oh, hello.
- Hey.
- What's up?
- How you doing?
- How you feeling today?
- I'm feeling great.
You know, I thought of like all the possibilities
of like what can happen after this and all that.
And it's just with my ex, it was a traumatic relationship,
and it's really--
the healing behind it is difficult. That's it.
And I don't know if there's like a desire to have
a relationship with somebody.
But moving forward...
I would love to move forward
romantically with her, but--
there's a but-- give me time to heal.
I do like--
- Code orange. - Yes. Same.
- You feel like you need a little bit more time
to sort through some things?
- Yes.
- But you do have physical
and emotional feelings and attraction to Rudy?
- Yes. - Okay.
- And I respect how you feel and your feelings about this,
and I completely agree.
- I think it's safe to say, at the moment right now,
you both agree to give this a try but to move slowly.
So here you are in this beautiful city, finally.
You guys should spend some time without us and enjoy the day.
Walk around, check it out, grab some food, whatever.
- Seize the day. - Yeah.
Enjoy it.
- Thank you.
- Of course.
- Thank you.
- Thank you, Nev.
Thank you.
- Don't be shy about those feelings.
- Yeah. Good to meet you.
- Nice to meet you too. - Good luck.
- All right, guys.
- Take care of our girl.
- Get on out of here, guys. - All right.
- Don't have her out past when those streetlights come on.
It's time to come home.
Look at us.
This is great.
- You think they've got a chance?
- We'll see.
Might take another 17 years, but they'll figure it out.
Now, we should go enjoy Savannah.
- All right. Let's go.
- ♪♪ Just take me out and break me in half ♪♪
♪♪ Ooh, the snack that smiles back ♪♪
[computer chimes]
- Hey! - Rudy!
- Look at you. - I love this hair.
- So beautiful.
- Yes.
- So what happened?
So you guys spent the afternoon together.
- Yeah. It was nice.
It was cute. It was cute.
But it wasn't a week or two
until he started being a butthole.
- Oh. - Hmm.
- He said some not nice things. - What?
- Well, the last thing I said to him was,
you haven't made me feel this sad in 10 years,
and he said, I didn't even think
you had the soul to be sad.
- What?
- Excuse me? - Wow.
What a interesting turn of events.
- I know.
So what are you thinking?
Do you still want anything with Tyrell, or...
- The foot is 80% out the door, but you know,
you're still looking in the window a little bit.
- Mm-hmm.
- Right now, I'm just, you know, doing me.
- Well, happy to see you, and good luck.
- Good to see you, Rudy. - Take care.
- Bye, girl. - Bye, Kamie.
Bye, Nev.
- Bye. [computer chimes]
- Hey.
How you doing? - I'm doing good.
- So we talked to Rudy.
- Oh. Okay.
Me and her, we were talking.
We talked for like a couple of days, and then I think I did--
I probably did kind of gotten her angry a little bit
or worked up over some words.
- She said you told her she has no soul.
- And I've said sorry over 100 times.
- Maybe she didn't feel it was a heartfelt apology.
- How can I get that heartfelt apology,
if she doesn't talk to me?
- Do you still like the idea
of being in a relationship with her?
- Yeah. - Okay.
Well, I think you just need to make sure she knows that,
and then tell her that you're sorry, and that you miss her
and whatever you feel.
- Okay.
- You know, 17 years is a long time.
I hope you guys can mend this thing that happened
and get back on track. - I agree.
- Good luck. - All right, Tyrell. Take care.
- Bye. - All right. Bye.
- What is it about Megan that you're so attracted to?
- How sweet she is.
I feel strongly towards her.
- Just wish the best, man.
I hope she's real.
- Hello?
- That means he's also likely Megan.
- Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
There's a note.
- It just says I'm sorry. - [gasps]
[upbeat music]
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