- ♪♪ MTV ♪♪
- What is it about Megan that you're so attracted to?
- How sweet she is.
I feel strongly towards her.
- Just wish the best, man. I hope she's real.
- Hello?
- That means he's also likely Megan.
- Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
- There's a note. - It just says, "I'm sorry."
- Is this just a random address?
- Ooh! - [gasps]
- Everyone just-- just wait.
Everyone be patient.
I promise I will get to everyone in a minute.
No, I totally understand.
I promise I will get to everyone, OK?
Thank you so much.
- I didn't know you were doing a "Sports Illustrated" signing.
- Oh, my God, Nev! - Sorry to interrupt.
- Sorry, everyone.
Yeah, no problem. - Wait.
You're getting all the attention.
I brought stuff too.
- What'd you bring?
- You can eat this.
- How am I supposed to compete with cookies?
Real life goodies.
- Anyone want me to sign their cookie?
- Thank you, Nev.
Oh, what a sweetheart.
- Well, congratulations.
- We're doing [bleep] fantastic.
- Cheers to us.
Do you think you're ready to dive into a new episode?
Yes, I think so.
- I can do anything. - Here we go.
We got an email.
Subject, "Worried Friend Seeking Help."
- Oh, boy.
- "Dear Nev and Kamie, my name is Ty,
"and I live in Charlestown, West Virginia.
"I'm reaching out to you because
"my best friend John has been dating this girl
"online who I am suspicious of.
"They've been talking for a few months
"and only live an hour apart." - What?
- ♪♪ Why'd you have to lead me on? ♪♪
They've not met up yet or videochatted.
"Something doesn't seem right.
"John met Megan online,
and they hit it off quickly."
♪♪ ♪♪
"John has three boys, and Megan has two," wow.
"So that is something that they really bonded over.
"Megan seems perfect for him.
"They talk every single day,
"and John always seems to be all smiles
when he's messaging her."
- ♪♪ I'll run back into your arms ♪♪
♪♪ As you promise so much ♪♪
♪♪ You can make me your prisoner again ♪♪
- "He thinks she could even be the one."
- ♪♪ Forget all that I've learned ♪♪
♪♪ You can make me your prisoner ♪♪
- "He keeps saying that they will meet soon,
"but I'm starting to think it'll never happen.
"Either Meghan is toying with John's emotions
"or not who she says she is,
"but I care about my friend, and I think
"he deserves to know the answer.
"He's a single dad,
"doesn't have time to waste on a relationship
"that will end up breaking his heart again.
Thanks, Ty."
All right. Well, let's call Ty.
Talk about John.
- Hey, what's up, Ty?
- Guess who it is?
- Yep, it is. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
- Absolutely. - So listen, Ty.
We read your email, and there is cause for concern here.
- Mm-hmm.
- What's up with John?
Does he know you reached out to us?
- All right, great. So wait.
So why don't we just plan on meeting you guys
in West Virginia, and then we'll just plan on
all getting together tomorrow?
- Thank you, Ty. - Bye, Ty.
All right. Going to West Virginia.
- Whoo! - Bring my magazines.
- They should do a CGI of the plane flying
and just, like, magazines papering the country.
- Let's go.
- ♪♪ Like my style ♪♪
♪♪ Trust me boy, I know what y'all like ♪♪
- All right, West Virginia. - West Virginia.
- Ooh, what a beautiful June day.
- Yeah, it's really pretty.
- Are we meeting up with Ty and Josh?
- Ty said he was going to set it up.
- Right.
- So I'm assuming we're going to get both.
- ♪♪ No, I'm good ♪♪
- All right, here we are. This is us.
OK. You ready?
[knocks]
- Hey! Wait, John or Ty?
- John. - John!
- Nice to meet you. - Good to meet you.
I'm Kamie. - Nice
- Wow. Hey.
- Hey, what's up, guys? - You must be Ty.
I thought, but you know. - What's up?
- Handshake. - Let's discuss.
- I guess we're going to play musical chairs.
- What is that called? - There's only one chair.
Ah, oh, we got some chairs.
- I'm not used to company. - This is your living room?
- Yeah, but I'm never in here, man.
I'm always upstairs with kids or something.
- Wait, so you have three kids?
- Yeah. - Wow.
- All same girl? - No, I have two baby moms.
- That's a lot of kids at a young age.
- I had my first one when I was 18,
almost pretty much 19.
- But you guys are both actively raising your kids?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- What's the dating scene like up here?
- Oh, terrible. - Terrible.
Everybody around here is just crazy.
- So how did you meet-- - Megan.
Through Facebook.
Yeah, she just messaged me out of the blue one day.
And she was like, "I like your hair."
And I was like, "I like your face."
And we just started talking about our days after that.
I don't know when she added me on Facebook.
- Oh, she had added you... - Yeah.
- And then sent you a message, okay.
- Did you have any mutual friends?
- A few, but like, nobody she would actually,
like, talk to, and nobody I talk to either,
but, yeah, she's 27,
and she has two kids, and she lives in D. C.
- Does she talk about the relationship
with their dad?
- They don't see her-- their dad, though.
I know that.
Apparently he was real manipulative and everything,
and she keeps her profile away from him.
She don't, like, post too much on Facebook.
- Right. - Ty is not buying it.
- Where does she work? What does she do?
- But she also--she does, like, Twitch game.
She gets paid through that. She makes YouTube videos.
- She hustles. - Yeah, she's a hustler.
- Right.
- Ty's like, "She's a hustler all right.
She's hustling my boy." - Yeah.
- I got a little more faith than him, but yeah.
- So she has other social media...
- Yeah.
- That she told you about or that you found?
- No, I found.
See, on one of her Facebook photos,
there was a ID on there, QUEENHD.
So I looked it up on Google,
and then I found her Instagram and Twitch
and just, like, gamer stuff.
- Has she talked about her Twitch streaming and her--
- Yeah, yeah. She game streams.
- Okay, so that's something that she's discussed with you.
- Yeah.
- Was that before you found the pages?
- No, she just said she games.
She didn't say she, like, streamed or stuff.
- So do you watch her on-- do you watch her streams?
- No, I'll look, and it says she was active, like,
three hours ago, like, streaming.
- You've never messaged her or...
- No. - "I'm watching your stream."
And she could be like, "Hey"--
- I usually catch them when they're late.
- OK.
- So you connect on Facebook. - Yeah.
- Is that the only place that you guys talk,
or do you also have each other's numbers?
- No, she has my number. I don't have hers.
- She never texted you? - No, she's never texted me.
She just asked for my number
and just never did anything with it.
- That's weird, right? - Yeah, it is weird.
She definitely could have, like, FaceTimed me by now.
- Especially over the time span y'all been talking.
- Every time I asked her, some excuse
or something popping up.
She's busy with the kids,
soccer game, work,
just whatever excuse she can bring, I guess.
- Which is weird with her doing, like, streaming.
- Yeah, with her being, like, a Twitch player--
- With her putting herself out there--
putting herself out there 24/7--
- You think you would video me--
- Do you feel like the girl that's on the Twitch
and on YouTube and on social media
is the girl that you're talking to?
- Kind of believe everything she says,
as dumb as that sounds.
She seems pretty honest.
- How serious has your conversation been
about, like, your relationship?
- Oh, real serious. I mean, yeah.
I mean, I really like her.
- What is it about her that you're so attracted to?
- How sweet she is.
She seems like she's always like in a good mood.
If I'm having a bad day, she'll kind of
try to cheer me up,
tell me everything's going to be OK.
She seems like she always knows what to say.
I can tell she's a good person. I feel strongly towards her.
- I mean, I know-- I have two kids running around.
Like, I personally know it can be stressful.
So especially, like, give his free time
to her says a lot. - I hope she's real.
- How long has it been since your last long relationship?
- Beginning of the year. - How long were you with her?
- Six years. - Wow. OK.
So you broke up with your girlfriend of six years,
like, the beginning of this year?
- Yeah.
- And that relationship ended at the end of the year,
and you started talking to Megan,
and she followed you.
Is there a chance that it is your ex-girlfriend
that you're talking--
- She wouldn't do something that.
She don't have time for that. - That's too diabolical.
- That would--oh, that would be evil, wouldn't it?
- You haven't talked to her on the phone.
Why wouldn't you have talked to her on the phone?
Because you know her voice because you
lived with her for six years.
- Yeah, we certainly can't rule that possibility out.
- She sent you pictures? - Yeah, like selfies.
- And you've sent her pictures of yourself.
- Of myself? Yeah.
And my kids, like, them playing and stuff.
- But has she sent pictures of her and her kids?
- No, I haven't seen her kids.
- At all? - No.
- Have you guys made plans to meet up?
- We've made plans to meet up soon and just haven't.
- Like, an hour away is not far.
- Right.
- My son broke one of my TVs,
and she was going to give me a TV.
She actually went and bought it,
and then, like, she was going to come bring me the TV,
And her car broke down, apparently.
I've seen the person post on her Facebook wall
asking about the TV they sold her,
so she really did get this TV.
- So all your conversations with her
are through Messenger? - Yeah.
- Can I-- do you mind if we scroll through a little bit?
OK. Meghan Malensky.
Okay, so that sounds like a pretty regular name.
Oh, man. It's a lot.
I don't think I have time to scroll.
Jeez, this is all just in the last 24 hours.
I mean, this is pretty wholesome, sweet conversation.
- Thank you. - You call her baby.
- "OK, baby. Sweet dreams."
♪♪ ♪♪
- Here's her profile.
143 friends, 10 mutuals.
- She's cute. - Very cute.
OK, so there's not a lot on her Facebook page.
- Facebook's pretty blank. - All right.
Well, look.
There are things about Megan and the story
that seem a little off. - Yeah.
Real off, yeah.
- But it doesn't change the fact
that the person you're talking to seems to be a genuine--
- Yeah, like she seems like a really nice person.
- Yeah.
- Whoever it is. - Right.
So we can definitely do a little bit more research.
- Sounds good to me.
- Any parting words for your friend here, Ty?
- Just wish the best, man. I hope she's real.
- My boy right here. I'll escort you out.
- Nice meeting you.
- We'll see you guys soon.
♪♪ ♪♪
You want to say it, or do you want me to say it?
It's the baby mother!
He doesn't have her phone number,
but she has his.
Yeah, because she already had his,
but she can't give him hers because it's her number.
She can't talk to him on the phone
because he would know her voice.
- Yes. I see that.
Could very well be his ex.
- Well, if it is, maybe it could
bring them closer together.
Or maybe it could end up in a huge disaster.
- You know what? I have something for you.
- No, I don't want it. - Oh, you don't?
- What is it? [laughs]
What is it?
- Oh. Wait.
Why are you on it?
It should be a sign. - I know.
Well, he wasn't around. Here.
And I also got here these. - Oh.
Great.
- So you could step on me all day long.
- Yeah, I would love to. - [laughs]
- Oh, thank you.
I would hug you, but, feels-- - Yeah, too much.
- Yeah. [laughs]
- All right. What do we got?
John, 27, got three kids,
recently separated from a long term girlfriend.
Six months later-ish, random message
from Meghan who lives in DC, and they hit it off.
They talk about meeting up. Something always comes up.
He then mentions that his television
gets broken by one of his kids.
She said, "Hh, you know what, I'm going to get you a new TV
and I'm going to bring it to you."
No TV.
He's really into her,
but they only communicate
through her weird Facebook page,
and he found a bunch of social media for her
and that person, which may or may not be her,
is, like, a very active streamer and gamer.
- Sounds like a bunch of [bleep] speak.
- Well, you think it's the ex. - It's the ex.
- I mean, the ex is a strong theory.
All right, well, let's see what we find.
Hey guys, so here's what I have for Meghan.
The link to her Facebook page, photos attached.
I mean, these photos, she's clearly a game streamer.
I mean, this girl is definitely like a streamer,
influencer type. And here's the screen-grab.
See up here.
That's how they found her screen name.
[bleep] Queen.
So OK.
Let's go check out this girl's Instagram.
So she's got 8400 followers.
She's a gamer.
- She has multiple photos sitting in the same exact spot.
- She's got a Linktree.
Let's see what's on here.
So she's got Twitter, Instagram, YouTube.
Here's her gaming profile. [bleep] Queen.
Maybe her real name is on here somewhere.
I don't know what this looks like.
Here, About.
Let's see if she has a profile here.
"Welcome to my channel." - "I'm Miranda."
- Oh, my God. - Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
- "Hi, everyone. I'm Miranda."
- John is not talking to this girl.
It's not her. - It's not.
- Who is it?
Let's go to the Meghan page that John has.
Oh, wait. Check this out.
Melissa Smith.
"It was so nice to meet you.
"Hope you're enjoying the TV.
let me know if you have any issues with it."
All right, let's look at Melissa Smith.
- Also in Washington, DC. - Well, that makes sense.
It seems like she's buttoned up and private.
We can't see her.
- Do you think this one is a fake account too?
- To validate the Meghan account?
Maybe.
I think we just gotta message her, right?
- It could be Meghan.
- Well, then we'll deal with it.
Hey, Melissa I'd love to chat with you.
Thanks.
You want to make waves? - No.
- Got to make a splash.
- [bleep] [phone chimes]
Oh. - We got a response.
- Yes. - "Hi, Nev.
How can I help you?"
Is there any chance you can jump on a quick FaceTime?
- FaceTime?
- Well, this is some friendly lady
who helped her find a new television.
- I can't FaceTime, but I could give you a call.
Fine.
OK, that works. - It's probably the ex.
She's probably trying to get somebody to get on the phone
and act as her. She knows.
[phone ringing] - Oh, New York.
Hello?
- OK.
Well, is she there?
- Right, why couldn't she call me?
- I mean, look, whatever.
Mainly what I was calling about was your wife,
although it could have been you,
recently either sold or gave a television
to a young lady, I think, named Meghan?
- She looked like her picture?
No, she [bleep] didn't.
- So just bear with me for a second
because the weird thing for us
is that we found the girl in the pictures,
and her name is Miranda.
- What was your name? I'm sorry, I forgot to ask you.
- Got it. All right, thanks Phil.
- Bye. - Phil?
Short for Phil of [bleep].
- Is that Meghan?
If Phil made this account
just to post on her page
and make it seem like she really actually got the TV,
that means he's Melissa, and he's also likely Meghan.
- I don't think he is.
Somebody, the ex in my opinion,
got somebody to answer the phone--
- Oh, so you think Melissa is run by the ex?
And that she was like "Oh, [bleep].
I need someone to call."
And somehow, came up with the idea
of, like, only person I can get to help me right now is a guy.
- Yeah, because she might have known
that we were going to record the voice.
- Whether or not the ex is involved,
both these profiles are probably the same.
Run by the same fake person, and either whoever
that guy is that we just spoke to
who didn't want to tell us his name,
or he's trying to cover for whoever John is talking to.
We already know Meghan's lying.
How big is the lie?
- So this morning, I'm leaning to it being Phil.
Because why wouldn't Meghan get on the phone with him,
unless Meghan is the ex.
- But if it's the ex, you know what I'm going to say.
I told you so. - All right.
Here it is.
[soft dramatic music]
- Why would you put me in the bush?
♪♪ ♪♪
[knocks]
- Hey, guys. - Hey.
- What's going on? - Curls popping today, wow.
Looking good. - Thank you.
What's up?
♪♪ ♪♪
Waiting to see what y'all got for me, I guess.
- Have you talked to her at all--
- Yeah, yeah, I talked to her today.
- Well, look. We did find some stuff.
We spoke to some people.
We've got some thoughts and ideas.
If you want to try and swing over a little bit?
All right, so because you had a photo
that she had posted with the Instagram account,
we went there just to check it out.
It doesn't have her name on here.
We went to her Linktree and we found a bunch of stuff,
including this game streaming site.
My first feeling was she's presenting herself every day.
- Every day, yeah. - Live.
Where are her kids?
If she had kids, they'd be on her page.
- Yeah.
- I mean, maybe not her streaming page,
but somewhere on her social media, right?
- Yeah, I don't know.
Part of me still wants it to be her, so...
- Of course. - Yeah.
- And look, there's actually if you scroll down,
like an about me.
And it says "Welcome to my channel.
I'm Miranda." - Who the [bleep] is Miranda?
- This is a girl named Miranda.
Doesn't have kids and might not be 27,
might be a little younger.
- That's pretty big.
I don't know.
If that's not really her, man, I don't--
♪♪ ♪♪
That's crazy.
- If it's not her and she's lying about that,
what else is she lying about?
- So with this in mind, we went to her Facebook page.
We went back to the Facebook page she gave you.
We scrolled down the page, and we found the TV post
that you mentioned seeing on her wall.
So we went to the page for the girl
she bought it from, Melissa.
Messaged her.
"Hey, is there any chance you can jump on a FaceTime?"
"I can't FaceTime, but I can give you a call."
Phone rings.
It's a guy.
He's like, "Oh, yeah, I'm Melissa's husband."
And he's like "Well, Melissa and I share a Facebook page.
"She's at work right now,
so I just thought I'd give you a call."
I was like "OK, weird," right? - Yeah.
- But OK, sure.
So I said, "OK, well, look, we're calling about this TV
that you guys sold to this girl, Meghan."
Anyway, we recorded the call so we could play his voice
for you just on the off chance that you
recognize this guy's voice. - That's smart.
♪♪ ♪♪
- She was super sweet.
She came, looked just like her Facebook picture,
and left.
- Looked just like her Facebook picture and left.
You know, like, weird that he would add that in.
- Yeah, you didn't ask that at all.
He just threw it out there. - Right.
- It's weird. - Yeah, it is weird.
- Anyway, so that raises a lot of red flags and suspicion
around the Melissa page.
And is it Phil, the guy that we talked to,
or whoever it is that's running the Melissa page--
who may also be the same person
who's running the Meghan page--
thought, "Oh, [bleep].
"I can't call them right now because my voice
is recognizable."
So it kind of brings us back to Kamie's
initial suspicion, which is that maybe it's
your recent ex-girlfriend.
And knew that if she got on the phone
with us, that we might then play her voice for you,
in which case, you'd say, "Oh, my God,
that's my ex-girlfriend." - Yeah.
That'd be a big jump, but then maybe.
- Are you still friends with her on your Facebook?
- My ex? - Yeah.
- No, no she's not on Facebook.
- Now I'm not so sure that it's your ex,
but it's a possibility.
It could also be a guy,
which is why he hasn't talked to you on the phone.
Question is, what do we do now?
Should we message her now on your behalf?
- Yeah. - So here she is.
Let's send her a message.
Hey, Meghan.
This is Nev from the show "Catfish."
We are in West Virginia with John.
As you know,
he has strong feelings for you.
- Right on. Whatever gets her out there.
- So I think Meghan's got everything she needs
to understand that we're not messing around.
This is her best and last chance.
You let us know if you hear anything.
We'll let you know if we hear anything.
Fingers crossed she responds and agrees to meet us.
- All right.
[phone ringing] Oh, John's calling me.
John.
- What's up, buddy?
- What do they say?
- That's crazy.
I mean, let's all regroup in the morning.
Then we'll figure it out.
- All right, John. Goodnight, man.
- Bye.
- Good morning. - How you doing, Kamie?
Breakfast Club. - Wow, what a spread.
[laughs] - All right.
Give us the details of what happened last night.
- So I get these random text messages
from two different numbers.
One was a person named Christine.
- "Hey John, my name is Christine.
"I'm a friend of Meghan's.
"I think you guys have an undeniable connection,
"and I'm sure that if you call off
"'Catfish' and give her more time,
she will meet you on her own."
And then another one from a 571 number.
"Hi John, my name is Doris.
I'm a friend--" this is the exact same message.
- Doris. - "I'm a friend of Meghan's."
Like, it starts the exact same way.
"She told me about 'Catfish' reaching out
and she's a little freaked out."
- It's Meghan. - Well, right.
- Yeah, it's her.
- So should we look up those numbers,
just on the off chance that one of them
might actually be hers? - Sure.
Let's just see. All right, Doris number first.
- OK it's 571--
- 571 [bleep]. Nothing.
What was the other number?
- Christine. - All right.
- 815 [bleep].
- Ooh, Melissa. What if it is Melissa?
- Melissa Smith? - Smith, yeah.
Maybe her real name is Melissa [bleep].
- So it's just Melissa this whole time?
- Should we call Christine since it looks like
it's actually a number and-- - Might as well.
[line trilling]
What's the tea, Christine?
That's what you have to say.
- Oh. - Hang up.
- Wait, Melissa? - Yes.
- They said Melissa [bleep]. - Same last name, the audacity.
The gall. - I was right.
- The gall. - I was right.
- Who is Melissa?
- I don't know Melissa, that's the thing.
- Well, you don't know Melissa, but she goes by Meghan.
And that-- whoever we talked to--
Phil guy was probably some friend
who was trying to cover for her.
[soft dramatic music]
- What do we do? - Text Melissa.
- Christine. - Right.
Hey, Melissa,
I got your number from John
regarding your "friend."
I'm going to put it in quotes-- "Meghan".
- Spicy. - Would love to chat.
♪♪ ♪♪
- How are you feeling, John? What are you thinking?
- Lost, confused, used.
Like this person just took advantage of me
and just talked to me for months for what reason,
I have no idea. - Oh, response from Melissa.
- OK, I'll try to talk to Meghan
and convince her to meet.
Come to D. C., and I'll send you
an address as soon as-- it's her.
- Yeah, that's her. - It's her.
- No--didn't even blink an eye at me calling her Melissa.
Right. OK.
Great.
We should be in D. C. area
around noon.
- So does this mean I have to throw my baby mama theory out?
- Unless she's sending us to D. C. to get stood up.
- Could be.
- All right, so let's pack up and go.
[upbeat music]
- Thank you.
♪♪ ♪♪
- All right. Everyone ready?
Strapped in?
- We are now entering our initial descent
into Washington, DC.
- ♪♪ She's a fine little lover ♪♪
- All right, let's head East. - This is crazy.
- ♪♪ Somebody tell me what I'm missing ♪♪
♪♪ She sees the ♪♪
[phone chimes] - An address.
- OK. - Arlington.
- That's right outside D. C. - Yeah, just outside.
All right.
You don't know anyone that lives in Arlington, do you?
- No, no I don't.
- ♪♪ Love me like James Bond ♪♪
♪♪ Ooh, ooh ♪♪
♪♪ Ooh ♪♪
[soft dramatic music]
- Well, this is the street, I think.
Yeah, that's it right there.
- All the windows open, waiting for you to peek inside.
- Oh, a TV. - What?
- The TV. - Where?
- She left it in front. - No.
There's a note on the TV. - Get the [bleep] out.
I got to see this note. - Let's park.
[seatbelt clicks]
♪♪ ♪♪
- Does it say anything inside?
- No, it just says, "I'm sorry. Don't hate me."
- What-- is this just a random address?
- It's looking like it. - Somebody lives here.
- We should definitely knock.
♪♪ ♪♪
There are lights on.
[knocks]
♪♪ ♪♪
- I'm more shocked that they actually left the TV.
- I'm really blown about seeing this TV
when we pulled up, like it's-- - Ooh, ooh.
- I'm more shocked that they actually left the TV.
- I'm really blown about seeing this TV
when we pulled up. Like, it's crazy.
- Ooh, ooh. - Hi.
- Hi.
- Nev.
- Hi, Doris. - Doris.
All right, nice to meet you.
- So you're not Melissa or Meghan?
- Are you who we've been communicating with?
Are you the person that's been talking
to John this whole time? - Yeah.
[soft dramatic music]
- We also obviously talked to some guy.
- Yeah, that's a friend of mine, Phil.
- Okay, his name is Phil? - Yeah.
I just kind of needed someone to help me out,
you know, to kind of get in the middle of it.
- OK, before we get into questions and kind of clear--
why don't you just kind of let us know
what's up from your side of things so that
we can better understand how this all went down?
- Well, I've been in a, like, very vulnerable state.
I've been [bleep] over a lot in a lot of relationships,
so creating the Meghan account has caused me
to let my wall down a little bit.
Everything that I have told him, though,
has been true, other than the picture, of course.
Picture is definitely not me. - Okay, and kids?
- I do have kids. - Two kids.
- I do, I have two boys, yeah. - OK, so that's all true.
- That's all true.
- You're not 20-- - I'm not 27.
- How old are you?
- I don't-- I really don't want to say that because--
- I wouldn't ask ever except you lied about your age.
- Right.
- And I just feel like in this context,
you kind of have to confess what your actual age is.
- Oh, my goodness. - Because you lied.
- I can't-- I really am not comfortable
sharing my age right now.
John, I will definitely tell you my age
when I'm comfortable.
- What's the problem? I mean--
- I have a lot of emotional damage from my exes.
And you could tell how much [bleep] he had went through,
and I went through a lot of [bleep] too.
You know, so I guess
I also wanted to see, you know,
if I looked like somebody else,
maybe thinner, you know, a little younger,
see what the reaction was going to be.
Oh, my God I'm going to cry.
Because, like, I'm really sorry.
It was like the response was different for me.
You know.
Sorry, I'm breaking down.
- But why didn't you talk to him on the phone?
- I think when I heard a little bit about him
investigating into Meghan,
I knew her voice was going to be different.
You know?
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- And the text messages that John got
last night from Doris?
- Yes, that was me. - Oh, that was you.
And then the other one? - Christine.
- That's my friend, Melissa. - Right.
- Oh, that's your friend. - A really good friend of mine.
- She texted for you. - Yeah.
- OK so that's Melissa who posted on your wall.
You really been lying to me for three months,
and I've never been lied to that long.
I'm just blown right now.
Like, if you know that I've been through [bleep],
you shouldn't just kept on lying to me.
- Everything I have told you is true,
other than the physicality.
- Everything else you've told me is true?
- Yeah, other than the physicality of it.
- But we know that the Meghan page is fake.
- But you can't--that's kind of manipulative to say.
Because you did lie to him, so you can't say,
"I hope that you're not that shallow
because we have an emotional connection."
That's going to tug on his heartstrings
and make him think that he now has to have a relationship.
- No, no, not at all. No.
- It's not shallow for somebody to want somebody
to tell them the truth. - Telling the truth.
- You know, I just--
my intention was not to hurt you.
You know what I mean?
I'm probably getting hurt more because I feel so bad,
you know? - Do you need a minute?
- Yeah.
- Should we go in the car or something?
♪♪ ♪♪
- Um... - I feel bad.
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I mean, I hope he can-- he handles it,
you know, all right.
I mean, that's why I didn't want to,
like, keep continuing this. You know?
God, I'm going to keep crying.
[chuckles] [sighs]
That wasn't my plan to, you know--
the waterworks to come.
- I have yet to see any water.
- Yeah, but they're in there.
- This [bleep] is crazy.
I already came expecting the catfish.
I don't know. She seems really nice.
She lied. I can't do it.
She is fun to talk to.
I maybe just talk to her sometimes,
I'm just thinking about it.
- Do you want to know what I think?
- Maybe I'm just too nice of a guy.
You mean just cut my losses?
- You are a very nice guy, very good guy.
She knows that.
The things that she's saying are very manipulative.
Saying, you know, "You're probably hurt,
but I'm probably hurt more." How can you say that?
- Yeah.
- To say, "Well, you know, everything I've told you
"is true, except for the pictures.
If you're shallow, then"-- - If I'm shallow, yeah.
- It has nothing to do with you.
- I'm glad you got that. It's not true.
- Am I being shallow? - No.
I understand that she might be an emotional person,
but all those emotions
didn't actually result in any tears that I saw.
- Yeah, no.
- But I mean, we had a connection.
Everything was just-- was so real.
- You did actually imagine yourself
in a relationship with him?
- Yeah, we have so much in common.
It's crazy.
Do I expect him to want to date me, you know,
just meeting me for the first time right now?
I don't know.
- I don't want for you to feel like you have to
be friendly to her just because she seems friendly
because there are still things about her that seem off to me.
- She might be a good person sometimes,
but she's been lying so far.
So what else she'd been lying about?
- I honestly thought he would have been like, you know,
"If everything that you were saying was true,
"other than the profile pic, right,
"I am willing to either give this a shot
or at least continue talking and seeing where it goes."
I really don't know right now myself.
I'm willing-- like, am I open to it?
Yes. Totally open to it though.
- But you know that's not up to you, right?
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How are you feeling now that you've sort of--
- I don't know. I want to know how he feels.
Like, honestly, I'm more concerned about him.
- Because she's been lying to me
and been trying to manipulate me
from here and make me feel sorry for her.
For what reason? - At least you cut it here.
- Yeah.
- But at the same time, like, your feelings about it
are still valid, and now you can tell her
how you really feel. Ready?
- Yeah, time for this.
[soft dramatic music]
- I'm also here about Melissa.
I just want to make sure I understand
the extent of her involvement. - She's my best friend.
- OK, so she's your best friend.
Did she know you were talking to John
and that you were catfishing him?
- Yeah. - Okay.
But John was never messaging anyone else?
- No, never, no, it was all me.
No, yeah, for sure. It was all me.
- OK, well, I mean, look,
I asked Doris how she's feeling now.
And her response, "Well, I'm concerned
about how John's feeling." - I'm pretty pissed right now.
Like, she just tried to-- I almost fell for it too.
She tried to get me to feel sorry for her
for lying to me for so long. I don't get how that works.
Like, you knew I've been
in a manipulative relationship before.
You just tried to play me again like I'm dumb.
I don't get how this is going to--
ugh, like, just why?
Like, I had some real feelings there.
- I mean, if you think that I'm manipulative--
- You really just tried to play me right there.
- How did I play you?
I would love to know. please tell me.
- You're trying to act all sad and sweet
and like you hurt more than me. There's no way.
I've been the one that's been played.
- That's what I'm saying, I'm feeling for you.
I'm sad for you.
OK, I could give a less damn about myself.
- I don't know.
That's not what I heard a minute ago, but--
- I think that you have been through a lot...
- Yes. - And I feel for you.
But I think with what you have been through,
you may not even be conscious of it,
but I think that the few things that you have said
have been manipulative.
Saying, "I care about you more than I care
about myself is now"-- - Feelings.
- Yes, but you have now put it in his mind
that he needs to feel sorry for you
because you don't care about yourself.
- Okay, I don't want you to feel sorry for me at all.
- And that makes him feel like his feelings are invalid.
- Can I say that, or does that sound manipulative too?
I'm just being open. Like, I don't want--
- I don't think--I don't think that you're conscious of it,
but it is something to consider moving forward
with how you communicate.
- I would love for him to tell me where he's coming from,
though, for real. - I ain't got time to waste.
- I would have told you eventually.
- You just wasted three months of my life
I'm not going to get back.
- I didn't know that I was wasting your life.
- Don't feel sorry for me.
- I still thought it was a good experience
to be able to talk to somebody. - To talk to somebody?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
But I didn't want to talk to a stranger.
That's the thing. - I was myself.
It's just not the picture, for sure.
- I want to know who I'm talking to.
- Yeah.
- How are you just feeling right now?
When you go home, are you open to her messaging you?
- Oh, no, I'm pretty blown by all this.
- I'm-- take all the time you need.
- Are you able to delete the Meghan profile?
- Absolutely.
I can do it right now. - Can we?
I just feel like it'd be good for everyone.
- [bleep] yeah, yes, yeah. Let me go get it.
I actually will be very happy to do that.
Delete account. - There it is.
- Yeah, I'm free. I'm free.
- That was exhausting. - Yes.
Thank you. - Good job.
- I'm free.
This is not something I would normally do.
I'm just--I'm letting you know that, John.
It's like not-- if that makes it any better.
- So the TV.
- Yeah, what are we doing about this television?
- Yeah, I got it for you, please take it.
- Are you sure? - I am totally sure.
No hard feelings.
- At least I got something out of this.
- There you go. - Let's take the TV.
- John, why don't you grab it?
- So that's the-- oh, he's going to grab it all.
- You sure?
- I don't think the kids are going to break this one.
For sure. - Yeah.
Well, good luck to you. - Thank you.
- We wish you all the best.
Thanks for coming-- coming forward.
- Yes, thank you. - Nice to meet you.
I wish you the best. - Thank you.
- Me too. - Ready?
Yeah, I'm ready. - OK.
- Hope you find what you're looking for.
- Thank you. - I'll at least give you a hug.
- OK. - OK.
Bye. - Bye.
- Well--
- I mean, we went here expecting a catfish,
and that's what we got, so...
I just hope she changes, personally.
- ♪♪ I want you to hold me ♪♪
♪♪ Console me, control me ♪♪
♪♪ You know that I'm better off out here alone ♪♪
- I'm glad, though, that you spoke up for yourself.
- I'm still learning to speak up for myself sometimes.
I'm getting there.
- But I think this is a good start in knowing
how to hold other people accountable.
On to the next one.
- The beat goes on.
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- Hey. - What's up, John?
How are you?
- Oh, I'm fine, I'm a little tired.
Got my son today.
He's upstairs playing video games.
- Is he playing video games on the new television--
- From Doris? - He is.
- Oh, my God. - Look at that.
- Have you talked to Doris? - No.
- Well, probably for the best.
- What about Ty?
What did he think about all this?
- Oh, he was blown.
He expected it more than I did.
- He told you so.
- Yeah, he did.
- All right, John, well, we're happy to see you smiling.
And now you get to find someone who hopefully
is who they say they are. - Exactly.
- Love to see it. We'll see you.
- Take care, buddy. - All right, thank you.
- Hey. - Doris.
- Hey, Doris. - Hi, you guys.
- What's up? - I'm good, I'm good.
Yeah, whole experience was really wild.
- Yeah.
- Do you miss that connection that you guys had?
- No, yeah. I don't.
But that was the first time I had ever met John, too,
so it just wasn't the same as through the computer.
- Do you think that part of that
was because you lied to him?
- No, Because, you know, I personally would be
open-minded, you know, to hear someone out.
I wouldn't care about a name or appearance too much.
- Well everyone is different. - Yes. Yes.
- Well, thank you for coming on the show
and hopefully learned something.
- Yes. - Now you can start new.
- Thank you so much. - All right.
- Bye. - Bye you guys, bye.
- Mark met Murray Taylor in a game.
- I had an in-game party.
We really connected on an emotional level.
- I'm so curious to see what she looks like.
Whoa, hello. - Work!
- Jesus.
- She's on jets. She ain't in that game.
- There is a real girl. Her name is Marie Taylor.
But that's just not who he's talking to.
- Hello? Hello?