‐ Gemini has been talking to Myranda
for the past seven years.
‐ I felt like she was the one.
‐ Oh, my God. It's her.
‐ This is what I've been saying!
I'm not doing this. ‐ You gotta be kidding me.
We can't let her back on the show.
Is there a chance
that we could somehow have, like, an intervention?
She's here. Hello, again.
[tense music]
[dramatic musical sting]
‐ ♪♪ Happy Catfish Day to you ♪♪ ‐ What?
‐ It's been ten years since you were the first person
in the whole world to be catfished.
‐ That's right. Wow.
‐ Ten years of employment. all: [laugh]
‐ Make a wish. [all cheering]
‐ All right. That was nice.
So let's get into this. All right.
Oh, we got one. Tatyanna.
‐ ♪♪ Bad at sorrys ♪♪
‐ "Dear Nev and Kamie, my name is Tatyanna.
I'm 19, and I'm a nursing student from Houston, Texas."
‐ H‐Town.
‐ "Recently, I started dating an amazing guy named Gemini.
But don't worry, I've actually met him in real life."
Wait a second.
‐ ♪♪ I feel so lucky when you say that you love me ♪♪
‐ "We've just gotten together, and things are going well.
"Gemini is sweet, loving, charming, handsome guy,
"and I'm hoping this relationship
"is going to work out.
But there is one small issue, his friend, Myranda."
‐ ♪♪ I get mad ♪♪
‐ "He met her seven years ago online,
and they've been talking on and off ever since."
‐ ♪♪ I push you away, why do I do that ♪♪
‐ "Myranda comes back into his life every couple of months,
causes some drama, and then disappears."
‐ ♪♪ I'm surprised you haven't left me yet ♪♪
‐ I'd actually call it toxic.
‐ ♪♪ I hide things and say things I can't take back ♪♪
‐ "But she's helped him through some rough times."
‐ ♪♪ Away, why do I do that ♪♪
‐ "Unfortunately, she's never able to video chat
or meet in person."
‐ ♪♪ I'm surprised you haven't left me yet ♪♪
‐ "I'm not writing in as a jealous person or anything.
"But I don't like that she's recently
popped back up into his life and is causing him stress."
‐ ♪♪ Do you do that ♪♪
‐ "I'm helping him reach out to you guys,
but I feel like he should take it from here."
‐ ♪♪ I get mad ♪♪
‐ "Please help Gemini get the answers he needs
"so he can move on.
Thank you, Tatyanna."
‐ ♪♪ Surprised you haven't left me yet ♪♪
‐ Here's a real question.
Do you think Gemini is a Gemini?
‐ If he's not, then this is just a waste.
‐ So let's call her and see if she can patch us through.
‐ Hey. ‐ Whoa, what's up, guys?
Look at Gemini. ‐ I know.
‐ Gemini's already just like‐‐ ‐ He looks so excited.
‐ Not happy. both: [laugh]
‐ We have an important question.
Are you a Gemini?
‐ Yes, I am. ‐ Thank God.
If you weren't a Gemini and your name is Gemini,
we wouldn't know what to do‐‐
‐ Yeah, that would be weird. ‐ [laughs]
‐ How long have you been dating?
‐ Three weeks. ‐ Oh.
‐ Oh, that's new. ‐ Wow.
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ Did you guys know each other before that?
‐ Nice.
All right, so let's talk a little bit about Myranda.
Tell us about this girl and the whole story.
‐ Well, I met her around, like‐‐like seven years ago.
She was friends with my friend Danielle.
Her and Myranda used to dance together,
so that's how she added me.
She gave me her number, and we just started talking
on the phone every day like‐‐like high school people,
falling asleep on the phone and stuff.
She came in my life, like, in a rough time,
so it was, like, easy for me to gravitate towards her.
‐ So right now, there's no attract‐‐
like, you're not interested in her.
‐ I was at first,
but then she kind of got real disrespectful.
Like, she get mad and I get cussed out,
whole attitude, whole nine yards.
And I was just like,
"You know, I can't talk to you no more."
‐ Where does Myranda live?
‐ What? ‐ So close.
Have you guys talked about meeting up before?
‐ For years, she just made up a bunch of excuses,
and then, she wouldn't answer her phone calls,
and just disappeared.
‐ Tatyanna, in your email,
you mentioned that she popped up recently.
‐ Yeah.
‐ Yeah, she recently popped up.
And then her friend, Danielle, was like,
"You have to call Myranda."
I was like, "Call her for what?"
So I text, and then we started talking,
and it was crazy.
She don't never have an explanation
why she disappeared.
‐ And you don't think this girl, Danielle,
has something to do with all of this?
‐ No, no.
‐ Wait, have you met Danielle face‐to‐face?
‐ Yes. ‐ Okay, so you'd know‐‐
‐ I've been to video shoots and stuff like that.
‐ Okay. ‐ We sat down and talked.
‐ Tatyanna, I can understand why even though
your relationship is new, you see this as an important
thing that Gemini finally find out who she really is.
‐ Like something's just not adding up.
I just think he should try to move on from this situation.
‐ All right, well, look. You've gotta meet this girl.
It's just so you can move on, and hopefully she can move on,
and you guys can stop popping up in each other's lives and‐‐
‐ I'm down just because
I wanna breathe the same air as Beyoncé, so‐‐
‐ Oh, yeah. ‐ I'm coming to Houston.
‐ All right. ‐ Period.
‐ So we'll come to Houston. We'll see you guys really soon.
Okay? ‐ See you soon.
‐ Bye, guys. ‐ Bye.
both: Bye.
‐ I just think it's strange
that their only mutual friend is Danielle.
‐ I think Danielle's getting catfished too,
and that she's‐‐
‐ But they've danced together.
‐ We should probably get in touch with Danielle.
‐ Yeah. ‐ So let's get down to Houston.
Make sure you bring your hot sauce.
‐ I have hot sauce in my bag. ‐ Swag.
‐ [laughs] ‐ Let's go.
‐ Oh, my God. I'm so proud of you.
I did not think you were gonna get that part.
‐ ♪♪ Hanging with my crew tonight ♪♪
♪♪ Now give me one last break ♪♪
♪♪ You got whoo‐hoo‐hoo ♪♪
‐ H‐Town. ‐ Gemini.
‐ Do you know what they say about Geminis?
There are two sides to them.
There's the side that he's showing us in front of Tatyanna
and there's the side that's been talking to Myranda.
And I feel like there's more to the story here.
‐ There it is.
‐ ♪♪ Whoo‐hoo, hoo, ooh, ooh ♪♪
♪♪ Tell me that we can ♪♪
‐ Hey, ho. ‐ Hi.
‐ Hello, Tatyanna. ‐ Hi.
‐ So glad I caught you guys.
I'm on my way to work, but it's nice to see you guys.
I wanted to stop and say hi to you guys before I left.
‐ By this time tomorrow, we should have a lot more info.
‐ Yes. ‐ Well, see you.
Have a good day. ‐ Mm‐hmm.
[upbeat music]
‐ Whoo. ‐ [sighs]
So how's it going with Tatyanna?
I mean, like, it's still pretty new.
I mean‐‐ ‐ It's still new.
We still trying to figure each other out.
Like, she got to get used to dealing with me being a Gemini.
'Cause my mood switch up quick.
As soon as it switch up, it's 1,000 questions.
"What's wrong? What's wrong?"
Like, she had a moment she started crying.
"You gonna leave me for her." I was like, "No, I'm not.
"I had seven years to try to be with her.
I'm not gonna leave you for her."
‐ So, okay, so‐‐so take us back about how you met Myranda
and how we got to where we are now.
‐ All right, I had a‐‐ it was just a normal day.
I just woke up and I was just posting a status.
"Why do tall girls wear heels?
What y'all trying to do, whisper to God?"
She commented on it, and then we just started talking.
I just needed somebody to talk to.
I opened up more.
She helped me, like, keep my mind.
Like, I almost committed suicide.
Like, that's how bad it was. ‐ Wow.
‐ She was somebody I could run and talk to.
That's pretty much why I kept going back to her.
[solemn music]
‐ So your relationship with Myranda
is a really meaningful, very emotional part of your life.
And she's always been there, and helped you out,
and kept you, you know, looking forward and positive.
‐ Yeah.
‐ To me, the most interesting part of the story
is your friend, Danielle.
‐ Mm‐hmm. ‐ Who you met in real life.
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ Who's also friends with Myranda.
Has Danielle ever met Myranda? ‐ Mm‐hmm.
They used to dance together. ‐ Okay‐‐
‐ Do they have photos together or anything like that?
‐ No.
‐ When you saw Danielle,
did you ask her about Myranda in person?
‐ At that time, Myranda was disappeared,
so‐‐and she didn't come up in that conversation.
‐ So there's no guarantee that this Danielle on Facebook
is the same Danielle
that you've talked to in real life, in person.
‐ Like, I don't know.
‐ Can I see some of the messages
that you and Myranda write to each other?
[tense music]
Oh, this is when she started talking to you again.
‐ Mm‐hmm. ‐ Okay.
So this is from, like, a week ago.
You said, "I love you so much, I hate you."
Then she said, "I love you so much that I hate you" also.
‐ This is a very Gemini conversation.
Only Geminis say [bleep] like that.
‐ Then you both said I love you.
"Call me...send a picture." ‐ Oh, she's cute.
‐ Oh, she's really cute.
And you guys got into another argument.
You guys, like, argue a lot.
She says, "I care for you in a deep, romantic way.
I passionately care for you." I don't wanna hurt you.
I mean, I don't know.
It looks like you definitely have feelings for her.
‐ Yeah, as a friend, but I don't have‐‐
‐ Mm, I don't know about that. ‐ This is a lot‐‐
I said a lot of hurtful things in there.
‐ I know, but you also
say a lot of very sweet, romantic things in there.
I understand it's like a love‐hate.
‐ Yeah. ‐ And that's obvious.
But there's a lot of love there still.
‐ Yeah, it's still there
because I've been holding onto that, like, for seven years.
‐ Right. ‐ So it's like‐‐I don't know.
I probably do have‐‐still have feelings for her,
but it's not strong enough for me to push Tatyanna away.
‐ Does Tatyanna know about that?
‐ No. I didn't tell her that part.
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ I understand why Tatyanna's concerned.
You've got a long history with this girl.
It's a tough situation for you. We gotta figure this out.
So send us an email with any phone numbers,
Facebook pages, and hopefully we'll find something.
And we'll report back. ‐ Okay.
‐ We got work to do. ‐ Yeah.
‐ Oh, boy. ‐ [laughs]
See you tomorrow.
Ay‐yi‐yi.
[tense music]
‐ There's always more. ‐ Always.
♪♪ ♪♪
‐ I believe that he really like Tatyanna,
but there's no way if Myranda somehow shows up, and‐‐
‐ Is who she says she is.
‐ Well, and that's not gonna be
a very difficult decision for him.
‐ He has so much history with Myranda.
‐ Right.
‐ And he's not really letting on, I don't think,
how much he truly loves and cares about her.
‐ What I think he's trying to convince himself of
is that he's not still romantically interested in her.
‐ Right. I'm not buying it.
♪♪ ♪♪
‐ ♪♪ We're A‐OK no matter what they say ♪♪
♪♪ We're A‐OK ♪♪
♪♪ ♪♪
♪♪ We're A‐OK ♪♪
‐ Let's do it. So let's just recap here.
Gemini has been talking to Myranda for seven years.
Myranda's sort of very hot a cold.
She gets mad at him
when he tries to say things about meeting up or FaceTiming.
So he's now met and involved with a beautiful, young woman,
Tatyanna, who he really likes and wants to be with.
So he's trying to decide,
is this the time to move on, or meet Myranda
and see if there's actually a place for her in his future?
‐ Right. We gonna see.
‐ All right, so let's see what we got here.
"Hey Nev and Kamie, here are all the Facebook accounts
"I have for the girls.
"Myranda's page, Danielle's page.
"And here's the phone numbers I have.
Can't wait to hear what you dig up."
All right, so I think we should just start with Danielle
'cause Danielle apparently knows Gemini.
They've met before.
And she claims that she's met and is friends with Myranda.
‐ Right, but is the real Danielle
the person he's been talking to on Facebook?
Or is she a completely different person?
‐ Right, so is this actually her Facebook page?
‐ "Jill of All Trades."
‐ Right, she's a party promoter,
she's a former model.
‐ She's a former model at "Model,"
which is very convincing.
[laughs]
‐ You think we should see if this is a fake page?
Like, search the photos? ‐ Yeah.
‐ All right. Wait, whoa, here we go.
We got a hit. both: Danii Banks.
‐ Okay, so this is her Instagram.
Verified. ‐ 2 million‐‐
‐ 2.6 million followers. ‐ Oh, God.
‐ Wow, this must be a real girl.
‐ Yeah.
‐ Let's send her a message. "Hey, Danii.
Someone is pretending to be you."
Boom. All right.
So we sent the real Danii Banks a message.
All right, so now, let's just run the photos.
‐ For Myranda? ‐ Myranda.
[eerie music]
Let's see if there's a hit. ‐ Nope.
♪♪ ♪♪
‐ Nope.
[phone ringing]
both: Oh! ‐ FaceTime.
‐ Wow. ‐ This must be Danii.
I love it. I love it.
This girl knows what's up. both: Hey.
‐ Hi, I can't believe it's really you.
‐ [laughs] ‐ So what's going on?
‐ We're trying to help this guy in Texas named Gemini.
Gemini thinks he's been friends with you for a long time.
I guess primarily through Facebook.
‐ Here's the problem. I don't have Facebook.
‐ Okay, and you don't know anyone named Gemini in Houston?
‐ No. [laughs]
‐ Wait a second.
What I don't understand is he claims to also have met you
because, I guess, you've gone to‐‐you've done some video‐‐
‐ Music videos?
‐ Music videos, I guess, or have you been to Houston
on some work stuff, or‐‐
‐ Yes, I have been to Houston for a music video.
‐ He was under the impression that you knew who he was.
‐ No. [laughs]
‐ Okay, well‐‐
You guys probably spoke briefly,
but you probably didn't know who he actually was.
But he was being friendly,
and you were probably just talking back?
‐ That makes perfect sense.
‐ Right. ‐ It's all strange.
‐ [laughs] ‐ It's all strange.
‐ Well, yeah, it's not me,
so I feel bad that that's happening to him.
‐ It's good he's getting some answers finally.
Thanks Danii. ‐ Bye.
‐ Bye.
He said his name, and she was like,
"Oh, okay. You're at this shoot.
You must‐‐maybe I met you yest‐‐I don't..."
Like she has no [bleep] idea who he is.
‐ No, he's like, "Gemini," and she's like, "Oh."
Nobody is cross‐pollinating these conversations.
This is the problem.
‐ Okay, so let's just take Myranda's phone number
and see what comes up.
[bleep] Taylor.
‐ Wait, is [bleep] Taylor not the same name as
Ashley Taylor's grandmother that died?
Is that not the same person? Bock‐bock bitch, Ashley Taylor?
‐ Oh, my God.
‐ Why she gotta be a bird? ‐ Well, bock‐bock bitch.
‐ Bock bitch?
‐ If I have to see this girl again,
I swear on everything, I'm quitting.
‐ It‐‐it could be! ‐ She's from Texas.
Look it up. ‐ Oh, my God.
‐ You guys.
‐ I think I have everyone's numbers in here.
Wait.
‐ This is what I've been saying!
This is what I said. I told you.
How could you forget? How could you forget?
I'm not doing this. Good‐bye.
Goodbye, everyone. It's been nice.
[laughs] But I'm not [bleep] doing it.
‐ [laughs] You gotta be kidding me.
‐ I told you. ‐ It's the same number.
I can't believe it. Wow.
‐ She needs help. ‐ Right.
It's her. I can't believe it's her.
‐ Are you kidding me?
‐ She told me she was gonna try and stop.
‐ She said she was addicted, Nev.
‐ She lied to me. ‐ [laughs]
‐ Well, so what do we do?
'Cause this is a real thing for Gemini.
Gemini should meet her
so that he can move on for his own sake.
‐ How am I supposed to move on? [laughs]
‐ Is there a way to do that
without giving her the stage again?
‐ We lure her in. ‐ Right.
‐ Boom. Intervention.
‐ Yes, and we should find some people in her life
that we could gather together
who might be able to actually get through to her.
Let's go to Gemini and show him who that is.
And then we'll figure out what we should do after that.
Our work is not done here, Kamie.
‐ You get to tell him. ‐ Fine.
‐ 'Cause I can't tell him without any bias.
‐ Ay‐yi‐yi.
‐ Gemini's in for a real treat.
‐ ♪♪ Guess who's back ♪♪ ‐ Yeah, Shady is back.
There needs to be some kind of support group
for people whose lives have been affected.
We have to think of the best way to convince her to stop.
She's been doing this for 12 years of her life.
‐ Okay. Here we are.
[ambient music]
‐ [sighs]
‐ Oh. all: Hello.
‐ How are you guys doing? ‐ Good.
‐ All right, well, I think we can explain
and answer a lot of what's going on here.
‐ Okay. ‐ So buckle up.
So the first thing we looked at is Danielle.
We ran this image,
and it brought us to an Instagram account.
And it's a verified page for someone named Danii Banks.
‐ [laughs] Hmm.
‐ So she FaceTimed us, and I explained the situation,
and she said, "Okay, well, first of all,
I don't use Facebook."
And she doesn't know who you are.
[tense music]
‐ Oh, well, I saw what I saw, so‐‐
‐ Well, right, but‐‐well, so maybe you were at a shoot,
so she just figured like she should either know who you were
or maybe met you before, and forgot who you‐‐
Like, I think you kind of
interpreted that interaction in a way that helps support
the possibility that you'd been talking to her all this time.
‐ That's crazy. ‐ Right.
So that all just sort of brings us back to,
okay, who's Myranda?
‐ Okay.
‐ I'm gonna play a clip for you of a phone call we made
on an earlier episode of "Catfish" from this season.
‐ Okay.
‐ And if the voice is the same voice as Myranda...
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ Then I think we have our answer.
All right? ‐ Yeah.
‐ Hello? ‐ Hi, is this Jalissa?
‐ It's her.
‐ Hi, Jalissa. How you doing?
I don't know
if you're familiar with the show "Catfish."
I'm the guy on the show.
I'm trying to help your friend, Red, meet you.
‐ I'm not sure about meeting because I'm not in LA‐‐
‐ Ooh. ‐ Anymore.
‐ So you were in LA. ‐ That's her.
‐ I was in LA working, but I‐‐
‐ It sounds like her. ‐ Yes.
‐ You for sure, you're sure‐‐ ‐ I'm for sure.
[somber music]
I knew that it was so off.
Aw, man. This is weird.
Why do I feel like this is a dude?
‐ Oh, no.
‐ No. Let me show you.
‐ Wait. Let's bring it up.
‐ That's her? ‐ That's her.
‐ This is some‐‐ ‐ Okay, I'm gonna talk to you.
‐ Okay.
‐ [inhales] Oh.
‐ That's her.
Oh, I feel your pain, Red.
‐ 3,000 profiles?
‐ Three, comma...
‐ [mouthing along] ‐ ...zero, zero, zero.
‐ Who does that? ‐ Ashley Taylor does that.
‐ Aw.
‐ Anyway, so she's done‐‐she‐‐
the same thing with Red that she's done with you.
So now we're trying to figure out what to do.
[tense music]
‐ Man, this is horrible.
‐ 3,000 profiles, she has. ‐ Right, that's disgusting.
‐ What's so frustrating about her is
she's not doing this because she wants friends.
‐ She doing it 'cause‐‐just to get a kick out of people.
both: Right.
‐ Play with people's emotions. ‐ It's just fun for her.
‐ Which is [bleep] up, especially considering
everything that you've been through, that's not cool.
And she needs to understand that there
can be serious consequences for that kind of [bleep].
‐ Yeah, I like‐‐I just put my trust into her.
Yeah, she was always there
to, like, help me through some situations.
That's crazy. Wow.
‐ I mean, look.
Is there a chance that collectively between you, us,
possibly also Red, the girl from that episode,
and maybe some other close friends of Ashley's
could have, like, an intervention
where we call her out on her [bleep]?
‐ Yeah, she definitely need that.
‐ Right.
‐ 'Cause if it's just us, she's gonna think this is
just a part of her little game and her little scheme.
She's not gonna take it as seriously,
but if it's people that she actually knows,
maybe that'll convince her to stop.
‐ And I think that it's good for you
to close the door on this for good,
and tell her it's over, please don't ever contact me again,
or whatever it is you wanna say.
‐ Okay, that's fine.
‐ What we need to do right now
is find some people who actually know her better.
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ Let's see if we can find her real Facebook.
Hey, I got it. There she is.
There's your girlfriend. ‐ Ain't my girlfriend.
‐ Someone posted a couple days ago.
"Can you call me, please?
I've been trying to reach you all week."
‐ Tomekualynn? ‐ All right, let's message her.
"Hey, Tomekualynn.
"Your friend, Ashley, was recently on my show, 'Catfish.'
"Well, believe it or not, we are filming a new episode,
"and just discovered that Ashley is catfishing again,
"so we're trying to find a way to help her stop.
"If you're interested in being a part of this,
please let me know ASAP."
‐ Does she have family, though?
‐ No, there's nothing there. Is there anything in the‐‐
[phone ringing]
Oh, that was fast. ‐ Oh, who is that?
‐ Hello?
‐ Yes?
‐ Okay, well, thank you.
I'm actually here right now with someone named Gemini,
and we're trying to figure out what to do.
‐ Well, that's kind of what we were looking for.
'Cause it's hard for me and Kamie to call her out on stuff
because we don't know what her life has been.
‐ All right, well, if you can, we'd love to bring you
to sort of have an intervention with Ashley.
‐ Who is that?
‐ All right. Well, that would be great.
‐ And do you know, is she still living in [bleep]?
‐ All right, well, cool.
So, look, we'll text you tomorrow,
we'll let you know our plan,
and we'll look forward to meeting you.
‐ All right, thank you. ‐ Thanks, Tomekualynn.
‐ Thank you. both: Bye.
‐ Wow, so Ashley even lies to her best friend.
No one knows when she's telling the truth or not.
Well, the friends are in. Let's see if Red's down too.
‐ Right.
‐ And let her know what's going on.
‐ She knows exactly what you're going through.
[line trilling]
‐ Hey, Red. Guess who.
‐ Oh, you thought you were done with us?
Well, guess what. ‐ So check this out.
We're in Houston, Texas doing an episode right now,
and a phone number came back to Ashley Taylor.
all: [laugh] ‐ Your girl done struck again.
‐ So‐‐
‐ Well, you gotta pray a little harder.
So now we found some people who really know her,
who might actually be her friends.
We're gonna get them all to do an intervention
without her knowing.
‐ We've never done an intervention before.
‐ Somebody has to put a stop to this girl.
[smooth music]
‐ Red is on her way from the airport,
and then we'll hit the road, pick up Gemini,
and then go meet Ashley's friends, Meka, Derek.
‐ Yeah.
[knocking]
‐ Oh. ‐ Red alert.
‐ Oh, man. ‐ I'm here.
‐ [laughs]
[lively music]
‐ Let's go.
‐ I've been trying to think of something to help her,
and I'm still thinking.
‐ [laughs] We got a long drive.
‐ All right. Where's our guy?
Hey. ‐ Hello.
‐ Gemini, this is Red. ‐ I'm Red.
How are you doing? ‐ I'm doing fine.
‐ Good. ‐ Here we go.
‐ All right.
Off to Killeen, Texas to join up with Tomekualynn and Derek.
This is crazy
'cause we've never done an intervention before.
‐ This is gonna be so epic.
‐ ♪♪ Whoo, whoo ♪♪
♪♪ ♪♪
♪♪ Hey ♪♪
‐ What have you guys been saying?
‐ Man, I was just checking on her.
I was like, "Good morning, beautiful."
And that was weird‐‐ ‐ Yeah, you keep it the same.
‐ ♪♪ Yeah we breaking the box ♪♪
♪♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪♪
♪♪ Oh, yeah, we're breaking the mold ♪♪
‐ Tell Tatyanna what happened yesterday?
‐ Yeah, I told her. ‐ What'd she say?
‐ Yeah?
‐ [laughs]
‐ ♪♪ Hey, looking for a hit ♪♪
♪♪ ♪♪
‐ A storm is coming, Ashley.
‐ ♪♪ Hit ♪♪
‐ All right, we are almost at Tomekualynn's house.
‐ We made it, guys.
[doorbell chimes]
both: Hey. ‐ Hi.
‐ Come in. ‐ What's up, you guys?
‐ What's up, y'all? Come in.
‐ I'm Meka. This is Derek.
‐ Derek? All right.
‐ Nice to meet you. ‐ I'm Nev.
‐ Nice to meet you. I'm Kamie.
‐ I'm Red. ‐ How are you doing, Red?
‐ Whole gang. ‐ I'm Gemini.
‐ This is our squad now. ‐ So, hello.
‐ Hello. ‐ Hi, Nev.
‐ Thanks for meeting up with us.
Long story short, Gemini has been talking to Ashley now
for over seven years
as a few different people, and only now realized it.
‐ Wow.
‐ What struck us the most in finding you guys is
the fact that on Red's episode,
Ashley was saying she doesn't have any friends.
‐ Yeah. ‐ Yeah, I know.
I confronted her about it.
‐ And we see that that's different because‐‐
‐ Well, and Derek?
‐ I'm very close with her, and we're very close.
But as far as‐‐she's probably the closest.
‐ Like, I know her mom, dad, grandmother,
pretty much her whole entire family.
‐ And does she have a relatively happy childhood?
I mean‐‐
‐ She really didn't‐‐ she didn't live impoverished.
She had a‐‐ ‐ Yeah.
‐ She had pretty much what she needed and what she wanted.
But understand, she has always been a big girl,
and you know how kids are.
And there was a lot of teasing and stuff like that,
so it made her‐‐
‐ I'ma get you before could get me.
‐ Exactly.
‐ But, I mean, her being where she is now,
me being with her every day, trying to get her to‐‐
encourage her to not do this stuff,
and her mom too, it didn't change anything.
Like, with me, she can't lie to me because most of the stuff
she says, like pretending to have a husband and kids.
‐ You know her.
‐ Yeah, so I know the real her.
So I can tell when she lies. The husband ain't real.
‐ We gotta do something.
I mean, in the ten years of doing this,
I've never met a person that needs our help more.
The situation now is,
she doesn't know that we're with Gemini.
She definitely doesn't know
that we're in town with you guys.
So I can call her right now and I can say,
"Hey, Kamie and I are helping Gemini.
He wants to talk to you."
And not obviously tell her that we're already here,
and that everyone together.
And then, tomorrow we can all
kind of really get through to her.
Well, I guess I gotta call Ashley again.
‐ Good luck.
[line trilling]
‐ Guess who.
‐ Hey, Ashley. I'm here with Gemini.
And it wasn't super hard to figure out obviously
that he's been talking to you all these years.
‐ And he‐‐he wants to meet you.
So we were wondering if we could drive up from Houston
tomorrow and make that happen.
‐ Okay. Bye.
‐ All right, so we'll let you know
when we hear from her in the morning,
and we'll tell you where to meet us and figure it out.
‐ Sounds like a plan. ‐ She's gonna come.
She can't resist the drama.
‐ Ashley texted me that she's ready to meet,
so let's give her a call.
[line trilling]
‐ Hey, Ashley.
‐ So we're here, we got Gemini, and we can go round two.
‐ All right. That's fine.
We could have someone from the show pick you up.
‐ Bye.
Let's go collect Gemini and Red.
Meka and Derek are gonna meet us here.
Team is assembled, and we will roll out.
‐ Catfish Avengers.
‐ ♪♪ I can't stand, waiting around to dance, uh‐huh ♪♪
‐ Yo. ‐ Hey.
‐ We're ready to roll if you are.
‐ ♪♪ Already ♪♪
both: Hey. ‐ All red everything.
‐ All right! ‐ It's our posse.
‐ What's up? ‐ Hey, guys.
‐ What's up, man? ‐ Hi.
‐ We are the squad, so‐‐ ‐ Squad.
[line trilling]
‐ Good morning, Tatyanna.
‐ So how do you feel about me going to see her?
‐ ♪♪ Don't sit around and complain about it ♪♪
‐ Y'all better hope she act right today.
I gave her a pass last time. ‐ Yeah, same.
‐ I have no more [bleep] to give.
‐ Fresh out.
‐ ♪♪ Don't sit around and complain about it ♪♪
‐ You guys ready? We're here.
[tense music]
‐ Let's go, posse. ‐ All right.
♪♪ ♪♪
Here's the plan.
Gemini, you're gonna hang here with me and Kamie.
You guys will be in here.
Obviously, you know, we're close,
so try not to make any noise.
Don't wanna give away your position.
After Gemini and Ashley get a chance to talk for a minute,
I'll come in with her.
We'll see how that goes.
All right, so hang tight. We'll be right outside.
Oh, she texted me. She's here.
All right.
‐ How do you feel? ‐ My stomach is like...
[dramatic music]
I don't know.
Oh. [sighs]
♪♪ ♪♪
‐ Hello again.
‐ Hey, y'all. ‐ Hey, Myranda.
‐ Well, Gemini.
Here she is. Myranda, AKA‐‐
‐ Danielle. ‐ Danielle and Ashley.
‐ Thanks for coming. ‐ Yeah.
‐ We're really just here to give him an opportunity
to get some closure to this whole thing.
‐ Like, why did you do it in the first place?
Like what is‐‐what was you looking for?
‐ Nothing from you. ‐ Hey‐‐the hell?
‐ Well, did you have feelings? ‐ No‐‐no.
He's a great guy, but he's just got, you know, issues.
‐ What you think you got?
‐ No, I'm just‐‐ I'm just saying,
like, you're a great guy, you're a great friend.
It happened. It was a joke.
‐ It was a joke?
Seven years? All right.
Ain't nobody find it funny but you.
‐ I only came here today 'cause I wanted to make amends.
I've done that, so can I go now?
‐ No, I think he had questions‐‐
‐ Okay, and I'm‐‐ I'm not answering him
because right now, it's gonna get heated between us.
‐ I'm out. Like, I don't even care no more.
Like, you selfish.
You don't care about nobody but yourself.
‐ He's upset obviously.
And I think it's justified‐‐ ‐ He always gets upset.
We're both done. That's a wrap.
‐ Let me quickly just talk to Gemini.
I'm gonna take him inside the room for a second.
‐ Please do. ‐ And cool him off,
and then we'll come back out. ‐ I'm not doing it this time.
If we don't do this, then I will go back to the crib.
‐ Ashley, I don't know what you're expecting.
‐ We got as much from that conversation
as we're gonna get.
You guys can just be here.
You all right, man? ‐ Yeah, I'm good.
I just wanna get this over with.
I don't care no more. ‐ All right.
I'm gonna go get her and I'll bring her in.
I'll be right back.
All right, he's in there. He's calmed down.
Why don't we go in there, and we could try this again?
‐ [sighs] Oh, Lord.
[suspenseful music]
♪♪ ♪♪
Oh, damn.
‐ Come on in. ‐ No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
‐ They love you and care about you.
‐ As you can see,
we brought some people here from your life.
‐ Mm‐hmm. This an intervention?
‐ Yes. ‐ Kind of.
‐ You set me up. ‐ Well‐‐
‐ That's how interventions work.
‐ Yeah. Let's have a seat.
So, look, call it whatever you want,
I care about you as a person who exists right now.
Obviously, you need to stop the catfishing,
but maybe, before you can do that,
you need to realize that there are people,
specifically these two who you've known a long time‐‐
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ Who want you to be happy and be honest,
and live a life that's fulfilling and rewarding.
We're here and we wanna know how you feel,
and we wanna be helpful if we can.
‐ I love you,
but I'm not finna sit here and applaud your [bleep]
'cause I know you're better than this.
The whole point of being on this show is
for these people to get their answers,
not for you to come in here and make this a joke,
and act like this isn't hurting them.
And, like, you're just completely, deep down,
okay with what you're doing to these people.
What about your real life?
Not this person you're pretending to be.
All this effort you're putting into all these lies,
you could put it into finding yourself a real husband,
not one that you gotta lie about.
Yeah, the smile's gone now, isn't it?
And that's coming from me, your big sister,
who actually loves you and cares about the real you,
not this person you're pretending to be
because it's not okay.
‐ It's crazy.
All I'm asking you is why. Why you couldn't be yourself?
‐ And that's one question. He's just asking one.
‐ This was a joke.
I'm bad and I'm sorry, but‐‐ ‐ That's not a joke.
You wasted seven years of this young man's life.
‐ I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this.
‐ Ashley, hold on, hold on. ‐ Then what you come here for?
If you didn't want to do this‐‐ ‐ I'm not doing this [bleep]!
‐ It's not [bleep]. ‐ I'm not doing this.
‐ Ashley. You all right?
‐ I'm‐‐I'm fine. ‐ You sure?
‐ I'm fine.
‐ She left 'cause she ain't wanna start crying
'cause that's where she was headed.
‐ Yeah. ‐ But what happened to you
that was so bad for you to do all this to people?
‐ [sniffles]
‐ You feel like you're being attacked, huh?
‐ [cries] Yeah, I do.
Like how dare you sit there and talk about my marriage
and for her to say that it's [bleep].
Then you don't know what the [bleep] I'm going through.
Yeah, I get it. I hurt people, I get that.
But don't sit up here and don't talk about,
"What about your husband?"
Like, don't do that.
‐ You know I didn't come here to attack you.
It's all about love, baby.
‐ That's the thing, though. They [bleep] ambushed me.
Y'all don't know what the [bleep] I've been going through
the last three years.
‐ You're gonna be all right.
‐ I'ma get this over with 'cause I'm ready to go home.
Like the‐‐how the [bleep] you know?
Like you don't know what [bleep] hell
this person put me through these last [bleep] three years.
‐ Well, tell us. We wanna know.
‐ Don't talk to me right now, Nev.
Thank you. ‐ Okay.
Well, we'll be here if you wanna let us in
and tell us what's up.
[somber music]
‐ Oh, my God.
♪♪ ♪♪
This is [bleep] crazy.
‐ What was she saying?
‐ Mainly she felt like
you brought up, I guess, her husband.
It triggered her because‐‐ ‐ It doesn't [bleep] matter.
‐ It triggered her because the husband ain't [bleep] real.
‐ Exactly.
‐ Let me just go back in here 'cause I'm ready to go home.
Come on, Derek. Let's go.
‐ So you're not gonna talk to me?
‐ No, I'm not. I don't‐‐
‐ Why? ‐ No, I'm not.
I don't wanna do this. No.
‐ No, you're gonna talk to me face‐to‐face
'cause you doing all this yelling and stuff,
and I understand you hurt.
‐ No, you don't.
‐ But we're supposed to be best friends.
How are we supposed to understand,
and you won't say nothing?
I sit here and tell you everything.
When grandma died, I was the one who was there for you,
not these people that are your fake friends.
Holding it in is gonna make it worse.
You gotta tell somebody. Grandma's not here to listen.
You could at least explain to them
why you did what you did to them.
Why it felt like a joke to you. Why it was funny to you.
Why you felt like it made you feel better to hurt them.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not bringing up your husband to be funny,
but I'm saying if there really was your husband‐‐
‐ Nobody knows what the [bleep] this man‐‐this person was
going through these last couple of years.
‐ We're just here to listen. ‐ Exactly.
‐ We're here because we want to know you.
We want to get to know the real Ashley,
and we need to understand how to separate that from the lies.
‐ Where should I start?
‐ Your husband. Where'd you meet him?
‐ Well, we met on Instagram. Everything was going great.
He loses his job,
and he's just like‐‐became a downward spiral from there.
‐ Are you still married?
‐ Yeah, like me and him, we‐‐we still together, like‐‐
‐ What's his name?
‐ His name‐‐his name... His name‐‐his name is...
Well, his whole name is Sergio Geronimo Perez, but yeah.
‐ What's it gonna take to get you to stop?
‐ I don't do that no more. I have a lot of stuff going on.
‐ You were just doing it with him.
‐ This was the last one.
‐ Well, Ashley, I'm gonna be flat‐out honest with you
'cause I feel like we could be real with each other.
I don't believe a word that comes out of your mouth.
But my concern is that you have isolated yourself so much
from the people who love you and the people who do know you,
that you have‐‐you have created your own little world
where you think that you're all by yourself, and you're not.
‐ I'm never alone. What are you talking about?
‐ You went on national TV and said you have nobody.
You don't have no friends, no family you can depend on.
Every time you've ever called me, I've been there,
even when I have my own stuff going on.
So how say you don't have anybody?
‐ I'm a close‐‐I'm‐‐I don't talk about my business.
I'm a closed person.
What happens in my personal life, it's my personal life,
and it is what it is‐‐
‐ But I let you into my personal life.
‐ Okay.
‐ I think that you are losing sight of yourself.
Ashley needs to do soul‐searching
to figure out who Ashley is,
and what Ashley deserves, and what Ashley wants.
‐ But she is soul‐searching.
She's gonna do a lot of soul‐searching
when I‐‐when I leave here.
‐ This [bleep] keeps getting better.
‐ It's crazy.
She still don't care after all this.
‐ Exactly. ‐ No, you‐‐
‐ No, I'm done.
I just wanna say my piece. Can I talk to you real quick?
‐ Please, no. ‐ Huh?
‐ Let the man talk to you. ‐ [sighs]
‐ 'Cause you could say what you want to,
but for you to carry on with her or him
for as long as you did,
you had to have some type of feeling.
‐ Like, I really don't care about this no more.
I hope you find the‐‐ the help that you need,
and I hope you find yourself,
and hope you stop doing this.
Like, we could've been friends.
I just hope you really find yourself‐‐
‐ Okay. ‐ Basically.
Well, take care.
‐ All right. Have a safe trip home.
[tense music]
♪♪ ♪♪
‐ Well, you can put on the front
like you don't give a [bleep] about any of this,
but at the end of the day, when you lay down at night,
and there are moments when you are just Ashley by herself,
that person needs to be happy.
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ Is there a part of you, even a small part,
that acknowledges that you could use some help?
‐ I mean, I'm not crazy. ‐ I didn't say‐‐
‐ I‐‐I know what you're saying, Nev,
but I'm just telling you.
‐ I just mean support, help‐‐
‐ I get‐‐get it, Nev. I get what you're saying.
Sometimes I feel like,
you know what, let me just hold it in
'cause I know if I let it out,
it's not gonna be good when I let it out.
‐ And it's not gonna be good
when you hold it in for ten years.
‐ Look, the best‐‐I think the best we can do is
just show you that if you're going through something
and feel like there's nowhere to go,
there is somewhere to go.
‐ Always. With me, anyway.
‐ And rather than starting a new conversation
with someone online as another person,
there's an opportunity for you to just connect as yourself
with people in your life.
‐ Mm‐hmm.
‐ I'm glad we got to do this. ‐ Oh.
I'm gonna do some soul‐searching
when I leave here.
I'm gonna do some soul‐searching
when I'm in the car.
I'm gonna do some heavy soul‐searching.
‐ All right, so let's say our goodbyes for now.
‐ And you know what, Ashley?
I'm gonna give you a hug this time.
‐ Hold on. Back up now.
No, no, no, no, no. What the hell you doing?
‐ I'm about to give you a bear hug.
‐ You're not finna bear hug me. Get away from me.
‐ ♪♪ Living in hard times ♪♪
‐ Wasn't that nice? ‐ It was good seeing you, Nev.
‐ All right. ‐ Pick your chin up.
‐ ♪♪ Nobody's got the answers ♪♪
‐ Pick it up. Thank you, sport.
‐ All right. Bye, Ashley.
‐ Bye, Ashley.
‐ ♪♪ Maybe when you're older you'll know it better ♪♪
♪♪ Maybe when you're older ♪♪
♪♪ You'll know it better ♪♪
♪♪ Maybe when you're older you'll know it better ♪♪
♪♪ Maybe when you're older you'll learn how to love ♪♪