1 00:00:02,212 --> 00:00:05,006 Hi. My name is Mark Goffman. I'm executive producer, showrunner 2 00:00:05,090 --> 00:00:09,135 for Sleepy Hollow, and this is Episode 209, "Mama." 3 00:00:11,179 --> 00:00:14,432 Hi, this is Nicole Beharie. I play Abbie Mills. 4 00:00:16,017 --> 00:00:17,060 Mama? 5 00:00:17,143 --> 00:00:19,521 When skies are gray 6 00:00:21,898 --> 00:00:25,276 This first section we actually shot for another episode initially, 7 00:00:25,944 --> 00:00:27,195 with a different actress. 8 00:00:27,278 --> 00:00:28,613 - Do you remember that? - Yeah, this was... 9 00:00:28,697 --> 00:00:32,951 We shot something for Episode 207 or something like that. 10 00:00:33,034 --> 00:00:34,828 This was actually in the premiere. 11 00:00:34,911 --> 00:00:38,623 That was part of the very first episode. 12 00:00:39,290 --> 00:00:42,877 But we found it as just a really good way to start this episode 13 00:00:43,002 --> 00:00:46,005 and to get us into the whole story about Abbie and her mother. 14 00:00:47,674 --> 00:00:49,801 - Well, there you go. - Yeah. 15 00:00:50,301 --> 00:00:52,846 And it just happened that my 4-year-old son at the time 16 00:00:52,929 --> 00:00:54,723 was learning You Are My Sunshine. 17 00:00:54,806 --> 00:00:57,225 So, we ended up using that song. 18 00:00:57,308 --> 00:00:59,561 The cool thing about this is Tom is playing sick, 19 00:00:59,644 --> 00:01:02,897 but actually, in real time, he had a little bit of a burnout. 20 00:01:02,981 --> 00:01:04,899 - He got sick in real life. - Yeah. 21 00:01:04,983 --> 00:01:09,654 And it was kind of fun to have a little parallel situation going on 22 00:01:10,321 --> 00:01:12,949 in both of our lives with this episode. 23 00:01:13,032 --> 00:01:15,243 - Yeah. - He got a little break. 24 00:01:15,326 --> 00:01:16,411 He did. Well, we didn't. 25 00:01:16,494 --> 00:01:18,496 We had about two days to rewrite the episode. 26 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:19,748 Yeah, we had to keep working. 27 00:01:19,831 --> 00:01:21,875 - But... - Exactly. 28 00:01:21,958 --> 00:01:24,502 But he got a little break. He got to go back home. 29 00:01:24,586 --> 00:01:26,045 I remember calling you and saying, 30 00:01:26,129 --> 00:01:28,840 "Yeah, we're gonna have to lean on you a little heavier in this one." 31 00:01:30,508 --> 00:01:32,177 Oh, it was fine. It was fun. 32 00:01:33,011 --> 00:01:34,596 He's very, very funny in this one. 33 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:36,723 And she's singing this song she used to sing 34 00:01:36,806 --> 00:01:38,725 to Jenny and me when we were kids. 35 00:01:40,477 --> 00:01:43,605 I've actually caught bits and pieces of the episodes. 36 00:01:43,688 --> 00:01:45,940 This is my first time watching the whole thing. 37 00:01:46,024 --> 00:01:47,066 Oh, wow. 38 00:01:47,150 --> 00:01:49,360 Moloch sent his emissaries to torment her... 39 00:01:49,444 --> 00:01:51,654 Well, I think it turned out really well. 40 00:01:53,573 --> 00:01:55,283 I'll be the judge of that. 41 00:01:55,366 --> 00:01:58,703 Well, I thought your performance was fantastic. 42 00:01:59,037 --> 00:02:01,623 We'll see how this goes. We got the cell phone in the back pocket. 43 00:02:01,706 --> 00:02:03,416 Oh, that's why it's there. 44 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:05,585 Bam! 'Cause it's about to ring. 45 00:02:05,668 --> 00:02:08,087 - Yep. - It's like, "Why is my cell phone there?" 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:09,881 There we go. 47 00:02:09,964 --> 00:02:10,965 I'll come with you. 48 00:02:11,049 --> 00:02:12,967 - Aw, how adorable. Mmm-hmm. 49 00:02:13,218 --> 00:02:15,720 He's insisting to come, but you know better. 50 00:02:15,804 --> 00:02:17,263 It's quiet time now. 51 00:02:21,142 --> 00:02:23,853 Look at that. This is the most gorgeous set, really. 52 00:02:23,937 --> 00:02:25,355 It's one of my favorite rooms to work in. 53 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:29,609 Yeah, it was one of the first ones that Alec Hammond put together 54 00:02:29,692 --> 00:02:32,904 when we moved to Wilmington after doing the pilot. 55 00:02:33,530 --> 00:02:35,406 And it's just been such a home base. 56 00:02:35,490 --> 00:02:39,452 This is one of my favorite actresses on this show, Sakina Jaffrey. 57 00:02:40,078 --> 00:02:43,748 - Also on House of Cards. - Yeah, she's terrific. 58 00:02:45,667 --> 00:02:49,045 I thought this was nice, the way it's sort of an opening 59 00:02:49,128 --> 00:02:52,298 for a different relationship between the two of you guys. 60 00:02:52,382 --> 00:02:55,051 Considering where we'd started the season. 61 00:02:55,426 --> 00:02:57,011 That she killed herself in that hospital. 62 00:02:58,346 --> 00:03:00,682 Absolutely. And she has a lot of mystery. 63 00:03:00,765 --> 00:03:03,768 She knows a great deal about the character, Abbie. 64 00:03:03,852 --> 00:03:05,854 Abbie's not even aware of. 65 00:03:05,937 --> 00:03:07,480 ...you wouldn't have given me a moment's peace. 66 00:03:08,147 --> 00:03:10,149 She's very grounded. 67 00:03:10,233 --> 00:03:13,278 And she's my height, so I don't have to look up. 68 00:03:13,361 --> 00:03:15,446 That's always very nice. 69 00:03:16,823 --> 00:03:18,116 I appreciate that. 70 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:21,286 It's really fun watching the two of you together. 71 00:03:22,704 --> 00:03:27,500 - Then back to Tarrytown Psychiatric. - Abbie and Jenny. Yay. 72 00:03:27,584 --> 00:03:29,377 Like you said, nobody knows Tarrytown Psych better than me. 73 00:03:29,627 --> 00:03:32,964 Tarrytown is where Jenny's been living for a while. 74 00:03:34,215 --> 00:03:35,592 I need that kind of insight. 75 00:03:35,675 --> 00:03:38,511 Look, just be careful exactly what you're looking for. 76 00:03:38,928 --> 00:03:40,555 This place is full of so much pain. 77 00:03:41,055 --> 00:03:43,892 What were your first thoughts about this episode, 78 00:03:43,975 --> 00:03:47,854 and going back to Tarrytown Psychiatric and digging into the story 79 00:03:47,937 --> 00:03:50,106 of Abbie's mother's suicide? 80 00:03:50,398 --> 00:03:51,566 Hello there. 81 00:03:51,733 --> 00:03:54,402 I mean, I was excited about it. 82 00:03:54,485 --> 00:03:57,655 I didn't know necessarily... Being on the television show, 83 00:03:57,739 --> 00:04:02,243 we don't necessarily know what the plans are with the writers. 84 00:04:02,327 --> 00:04:04,871 So, I learned just as much about my character 85 00:04:04,954 --> 00:04:07,206 as, I think, maybe the audience did. 86 00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:11,920 It's fascinating to me the way you guys just developed 87 00:04:12,337 --> 00:04:16,215 not only this character over here, this woman, very scary lady, 88 00:04:16,299 --> 00:04:20,845 but also Abbie's mother coming into the mix. 89 00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:24,015 It all made a lot of sense. 90 00:04:26,017 --> 00:04:30,146 But yeah, we had very little time to prepare for this, 'cause you sort of wrote it... 91 00:04:30,855 --> 00:04:31,856 - Yeah. - ...and then we did it 92 00:04:31,940 --> 00:04:33,858 within a few days. 93 00:04:33,942 --> 00:04:40,907 So, there wasn't a lot of time to consider how I felt about it. 94 00:04:42,533 --> 00:04:44,619 Yeah, it went through a couple iterations. 95 00:04:44,702 --> 00:04:47,705 Damian Kindler is the author of the episode, 96 00:04:48,081 --> 00:04:50,124 and we had to do a fairly substantial rewrite 97 00:04:50,208 --> 00:04:55,672 when we needed to write Tom out, or Crane out, of a lot of it, to adjust. 98 00:04:56,214 --> 00:04:58,174 But that's the way production goes. 99 00:04:58,257 --> 00:04:59,676 He'd found God. 100 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,387 Organized the hospital prayer group. Just doesn't track for me. 101 00:05:02,553 --> 00:05:04,389 None of these suicides seem motivated. 102 00:05:08,935 --> 00:05:11,396 This is one of the stiller episodes as well. 103 00:05:11,479 --> 00:05:16,150 As far as the cinematography, it's very grounded. I'm digging it. 104 00:05:17,235 --> 00:05:20,071 Yeah, it has a very deliberate pacing. 105 00:05:20,405 --> 00:05:21,781 And I think it's one of... 106 00:05:21,864 --> 00:05:24,242 To me, it was one of the scariest episodes we did all season. 107 00:05:25,535 --> 00:05:27,620 Oh! We had the weeping lady, though, right? 108 00:05:27,704 --> 00:05:28,705 Yeah. 109 00:05:28,788 --> 00:05:30,331 I really liked that one. I loved that monster. 110 00:05:30,415 --> 00:05:32,458 - Oh, yeah. - I liked that one. 111 00:05:32,542 --> 00:05:34,752 But this one just had, I don't know, there's a creep factor. 112 00:05:34,836 --> 00:05:37,296 Look at Orlando trying to be nasty. 113 00:05:38,631 --> 00:05:42,176 Yeah, 'cause it's actually doing the, sort of, thriller thing. 114 00:05:42,260 --> 00:05:46,639 You know, it's slowly building. We generally come in with a wallop. 115 00:05:47,724 --> 00:05:48,850 We're gonna get you out of here. 116 00:05:49,142 --> 00:05:51,894 We'll find a way to undo whatever Henry did to your soul. 117 00:05:53,813 --> 00:06:00,069 Lyndie is one of the funniest, bubbliest, naughtiest girls in this show. 118 00:06:00,153 --> 00:06:02,780 She has the most 119 00:06:03,114 --> 00:06:05,366 aggressive stance constantly. 120 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:06,576 I'm like, "Look at that grimace." 121 00:06:06,659 --> 00:06:09,328 It's so funny, 'cause she's not like that at all. 122 00:06:09,412 --> 00:06:10,747 Good work. 123 00:06:11,372 --> 00:06:13,624 Man, there was nowhere we could go in here without being watched. 124 00:06:14,042 --> 00:06:15,793 I can't imagine what it was like for you. 125 00:06:16,627 --> 00:06:18,504 You learn to deal with the abuse... 126 00:06:18,588 --> 00:06:21,215 This set that we were working on was actually very creepy, though. 127 00:06:21,299 --> 00:06:26,512 And it had been there for a while as well. I think there were plans to use it, right? 128 00:06:26,596 --> 00:06:28,056 - Some of it. - Yeah, that's right. 129 00:06:28,139 --> 00:06:29,891 Or maybe you guys had used it 130 00:06:29,974 --> 00:06:33,394 for scenes that Lyndie had shot, I'm assuming. 131 00:06:34,812 --> 00:06:40,318 Yeah. We had actually built most of it for this episode, really gearing up. 132 00:06:40,401 --> 00:06:44,655 But then we had plans for... 133 00:06:44,739 --> 00:06:49,077 Since Irving's character was in the Tarrytown Psychiatric at one point, 134 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,789 we were talking about an episode really featuring him. 135 00:06:52,872 --> 00:06:56,709 And so, we had built out a decent amount of Tarrytown Psychiatric. 136 00:06:56,793 --> 00:06:59,879 And we needed it for this episode 'cause there are so many different elements. 137 00:06:59,962 --> 00:07:04,008 We needed the old area to show the flashbacks like this. 138 00:07:04,092 --> 00:07:06,886 We needed the newer area where Jenny was. 139 00:07:07,303 --> 00:07:09,972 So, you know, we were really lucky. 140 00:07:10,056 --> 00:07:13,101 And we have an amazing production designer and production team 141 00:07:13,184 --> 00:07:14,769 that just put together a very cool set. 142 00:07:14,852 --> 00:07:17,438 This case is not going to change what happened to Mom. 143 00:07:18,397 --> 00:07:21,025 I met the young ladies that played young Abbie and Jenny, 144 00:07:21,109 --> 00:07:22,443 and they were so good. 145 00:07:22,527 --> 00:07:25,154 I can't remember their names off the top of my head. 146 00:07:25,238 --> 00:07:29,534 I never got to work with them. But they were really lovely. Super excited. 147 00:07:30,118 --> 00:07:31,953 One of my favorite things about this episode 148 00:07:32,036 --> 00:07:33,621 was actually working with Aunjanue Ellis... 149 00:07:33,704 --> 00:07:34,831 Oh, yeah. 150 00:07:35,373 --> 00:07:37,917 ...who played Mama Mills. 151 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Yeah. 152 00:07:39,043 --> 00:07:40,461 ...but now knowing 153 00:07:41,671 --> 00:07:43,172 what she was facing... 154 00:07:44,549 --> 00:07:47,218 One of the challenges with the girls is 155 00:07:47,301 --> 00:07:49,762 we cast them when they were 12. 156 00:07:49,846 --> 00:07:51,681 And that is a real period of growth. 157 00:07:51,764 --> 00:07:54,475 So we were concerned over the course of the season 158 00:07:54,559 --> 00:07:56,686 that they were going to end up looking completely different. 159 00:07:56,769 --> 00:07:57,770 Mmm-hmm. 160 00:08:00,106 --> 00:08:01,399 Yeah, okay. 161 00:08:02,775 --> 00:08:04,068 Okay. 162 00:08:05,736 --> 00:08:06,904 Found it. 163 00:08:08,573 --> 00:08:11,576 Well, these are different girls from the initial episodes. 164 00:08:12,827 --> 00:08:14,579 - Yeah, these are different actresses. - Mmm-hmm. 165 00:08:17,165 --> 00:08:20,126 Oh, now, that's a bit dark. Come on, Sleepy Hollow. 166 00:08:21,043 --> 00:08:22,628 - Come on. - We had to do it. 167 00:08:22,712 --> 00:08:25,506 That's what's different about this episode, I think. 168 00:08:25,590 --> 00:08:28,134 - Yeah. - You actually say there's, like, danger. 169 00:08:28,509 --> 00:08:32,263 It's endangering other people. Not just the team, you know? 170 00:08:32,346 --> 00:08:36,142 Yeah. And, I mean, the subject matter is dealing with suicide. 171 00:08:36,225 --> 00:08:38,895 Whether it's forced by demons or not. 172 00:08:38,978 --> 00:08:39,979 Back from the grave. 173 00:08:42,899 --> 00:08:44,650 - Ah! 174 00:08:45,109 --> 00:08:47,445 - Uh-oh! Don't we just love that? - Yeah. 175 00:08:52,491 --> 00:08:54,368 I remember the first time I heard this. 176 00:08:54,452 --> 00:08:57,997 - I think Damian played it for me. Mmm-hmm? Oh, wow. 177 00:08:58,956 --> 00:09:01,209 - It's really beautiful. - Yeah, it is. 178 00:09:01,292 --> 00:09:06,380 Brian Tyler and Robert, they really did a fantastic job with it. 179 00:09:06,464 --> 00:09:08,633 Our titles credits were just... They're always moving. 180 00:09:08,716 --> 00:09:10,801 I always get excited when I hear it. 181 00:09:15,848 --> 00:09:17,308 Are you certain it was her? 182 00:09:17,475 --> 00:09:20,394 Jenny took the video to be analyzed by an imaging expert. 183 00:09:20,937 --> 00:09:22,271 Matt Barr. 184 00:09:23,231 --> 00:09:24,690 It's definitely Mom. 185 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:29,237 This is the first episode I wore a middle part in my hair. 186 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,529 - Really? Wow. 187 00:09:30,613 --> 00:09:33,866 Completely frivolous information. Yeah. 188 00:09:33,950 --> 00:09:36,077 - Was that your doing? - Yeah, we had a new hair stylist. 189 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,372 - I think we had some issues with humidity. - Oh, okay. Okay. 190 00:09:39,455 --> 00:09:42,208 And she was like, "What if we do a center part?" 191 00:09:42,667 --> 00:09:45,378 Well, those medications are for delusions. 192 00:09:46,003 --> 00:09:49,048 So now Tom and I are sort of wearing the same look. 193 00:09:49,131 --> 00:09:50,132 Got it. 194 00:09:50,424 --> 00:09:53,344 This was shot in September of last year. 195 00:09:54,595 --> 00:09:57,807 September in North Carolina is still hot as hell. 196 00:09:59,558 --> 00:10:01,727 I was just a kid. At the time, she seemed crazy. 197 00:10:04,897 --> 00:10:06,065 Mama, we're home. 198 00:10:06,274 --> 00:10:07,817 She wasn't full-time at the hospital yet, 199 00:10:08,025 --> 00:10:10,069 just getting treatment as an outpatient. 200 00:10:10,194 --> 00:10:12,196 - Don't forget to lock that door. - Okay. 201 00:10:14,448 --> 00:10:17,034 But you never knew what version of her you would get. 202 00:10:18,035 --> 00:10:19,036 You lock the door? 203 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,998 Yeah, this was also a great location they found for this house. 204 00:10:22,081 --> 00:10:24,583 You took the bus. No buses! 205 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:25,835 It's so creepy. 206 00:10:25,918 --> 00:10:28,296 Just the route I showed you right through town, you hear? 207 00:10:28,379 --> 00:10:30,298 We just wanted to talk to some friends. 208 00:10:30,381 --> 00:10:32,675 Aunjanue, don't yell at them. 209 00:10:32,758 --> 00:10:35,011 They may even be your so-called friends. 210 00:10:35,386 --> 00:10:36,804 These demons have no mercy. 211 00:10:38,431 --> 00:10:42,184 The thing I like about this story is that they have a lot of... 212 00:10:42,268 --> 00:10:44,270 Jenny and Abbie, in their adult lives, 213 00:10:44,353 --> 00:10:47,481 have a lot of resentment towards each other. 214 00:10:47,565 --> 00:10:48,566 Mmm-hmm. 215 00:10:49,066 --> 00:10:51,986 And totally different stories about who their mother was. 216 00:10:52,069 --> 00:10:54,155 And this sort of helps to clarify... 217 00:10:54,238 --> 00:10:57,825 Yeah, they had completely different experiences with the mother. 218 00:10:58,284 --> 00:11:02,580 How was working with Wendey Stanzler, the director of this episode? 219 00:11:03,414 --> 00:11:06,917 Oh, she was lovely, she was lovely. She was very patient. 220 00:11:08,085 --> 00:11:11,672 Yeah, it was during a time of the year where everyone was falling ill. 221 00:11:11,756 --> 00:11:13,716 We were all getting really sick. 222 00:11:14,008 --> 00:11:16,927 And she was just really patient 223 00:11:18,179 --> 00:11:23,601 and let us find things within the confines of television. 224 00:11:23,768 --> 00:11:25,770 You know? 225 00:11:25,853 --> 00:11:28,731 ...demons tormented her into taking her own life... 226 00:11:28,939 --> 00:11:32,360 That little steam box that he was using was real. 227 00:11:32,443 --> 00:11:36,364 So, there were a few takes that, like, burnt poor Tom's face. 228 00:11:37,865 --> 00:11:40,242 We had to... We had to keep cutting 229 00:11:41,369 --> 00:11:45,664 'cause it was just supposed to be a fake foam-steam thing happening. 230 00:11:45,748 --> 00:11:49,043 And it was kind of, like, actually producing heat. 231 00:11:49,126 --> 00:11:50,711 Well, that's Sleepy Hollow. 232 00:11:51,796 --> 00:11:53,798 The doctor has arrived. 233 00:11:54,465 --> 00:11:55,466 As ordered... 234 00:11:56,050 --> 00:11:57,426 Matt Barr. 235 00:11:57,510 --> 00:12:00,346 ...maps and books from your cabin, plus a little dose of cure from... 236 00:12:00,429 --> 00:12:02,223 - Very handsome levity. - Mmm-hmm. 237 00:12:02,306 --> 00:12:04,475 You called Hawley for help. 238 00:12:05,226 --> 00:12:08,771 Yeah, at this point, your relationship with him was still evolving. 239 00:12:09,522 --> 00:12:10,981 Yeah. 240 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:15,486 The relationship between Crane and Hawley was always very interesting. 241 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,032 'Cause, you know, Crane has always been surrounded by all these women. 242 00:12:20,116 --> 00:12:24,036 So it's sort of easy for him to be the masculine guiding force. 243 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,416 With the introduction of Hawley, it's fun to see him go toe-to-toe with another guy, 244 00:12:28,499 --> 00:12:31,293 - who knows just as much as he does. - Yeah. 245 00:12:32,461 --> 00:12:36,090 Exactly. Someone who's got his own expertise 246 00:12:36,173 --> 00:12:39,009 and is more versed in the modern world. 247 00:12:39,844 --> 00:12:41,178 ...somewhat comforting. 248 00:12:42,138 --> 00:12:45,724 Of course, bringing matzo ball soup is a Damian Kindler idea. 249 00:12:46,684 --> 00:12:50,646 And Matt Barr, the actor that played Hawley, 250 00:12:50,729 --> 00:12:52,523 was also a delight to work with. 251 00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:55,943 - Oh, that's great. - Really was. Really was. 252 00:12:56,026 --> 00:12:57,695 We'd have a lot of little moments on set. 253 00:12:57,778 --> 00:12:59,822 Little moments that didn't quite make it to the cut. 254 00:12:59,905 --> 00:13:01,574 But even if you see with the matzo ball soup, 255 00:13:01,657 --> 00:13:03,617 we had a little look towards one another, 256 00:13:03,701 --> 00:13:05,870 and there was a lot of that, it's very good stuff. 257 00:13:05,953 --> 00:13:08,539 He may have conjured her to prey upon our resolve. 258 00:13:08,831 --> 00:13:11,041 Yeah, he was up for anything. It was really fun. 259 00:13:11,125 --> 00:13:13,502 Well, it was no easy assignment she took on. 260 00:13:13,711 --> 00:13:16,213 Assassinating a newly-born demon of the Apocalypse. 261 00:13:16,297 --> 00:13:17,465 I just meant that we haven't heard from her. 262 00:13:17,548 --> 00:13:19,258 What do you suggest, Lieutenant? That we seek her out? 263 00:13:19,341 --> 00:13:20,885 Expose her as a spy to our enemies? 264 00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:25,639 Crane is getting so testy. Testy. 265 00:13:27,266 --> 00:13:28,642 He'll be fine after he sleeps. 266 00:13:28,726 --> 00:13:30,603 I'm coming with you back to Tarrytown. 267 00:13:31,228 --> 00:13:33,814 That's what happens when you're a little under the weather, right? 268 00:13:33,898 --> 00:13:37,109 Look, I heard about what you found on that video. 269 00:13:38,194 --> 00:13:39,403 I got to get back. 270 00:13:39,487 --> 00:13:41,822 Yeah, I'm just... You know, with Mr. Woodhouse here 271 00:13:41,947 --> 00:13:44,408 - down for a round, I thought... - Mr. Woodhouse? 272 00:13:44,742 --> 00:13:46,577 I didn't realize you were a Jane Austen fan. 273 00:13:46,702 --> 00:13:48,370 Nor would I have pegged you for one, either. 274 00:13:48,746 --> 00:13:51,415 I'm just saying, I'm... You know, I'm happy to chip in. 275 00:13:51,707 --> 00:13:53,209 - This show is cracking me up. - Yes. 276 00:13:53,292 --> 00:13:56,754 You have time for Jane Austen references in the midst of... 277 00:13:57,588 --> 00:13:58,964 - Yep. - You guys are amazing. 278 00:14:00,549 --> 00:14:03,469 I just... I thought it would be a fun, outside-the-box reference 279 00:14:03,552 --> 00:14:06,430 for both characters, you know. 280 00:14:06,805 --> 00:14:09,892 - Right. I like it. - Oh, good. 281 00:14:09,975 --> 00:14:12,937 And we needed to get a little bit of time for Crane to fall asleep there. 282 00:14:13,687 --> 00:14:16,607 For that soup to wear... Have its effect. 283 00:14:21,737 --> 00:14:24,406 "A little more than kin, and less than kind." 284 00:14:24,490 --> 00:14:25,491 Ugh! 285 00:14:25,574 --> 00:14:27,618 The words of a son longing for... 286 00:14:27,701 --> 00:14:28,702 Little demon baby. 287 00:14:28,786 --> 00:14:31,622 - Oh, these two just creep me out. - Yeah. 288 00:14:33,457 --> 00:14:35,626 Oh, John Noble. 289 00:14:35,709 --> 00:14:38,879 You got to work with him quite a bit this season. 290 00:14:38,963 --> 00:14:40,923 Mmm-hmm. Yeah, towards the end of the season. 291 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:43,467 Quite a bit of fighting. 292 00:14:43,926 --> 00:14:44,969 Katia as well. 293 00:14:45,928 --> 00:14:48,556 The presence of a needy child upsets you? 294 00:14:49,765 --> 00:14:51,350 My, how telling. 295 00:14:52,017 --> 00:14:53,811 That is not what I meant. I... 296 00:14:54,061 --> 00:14:57,231 The storyline between these two and Abbie and Crane really picks up 297 00:14:57,314 --> 00:14:58,857 towards the end of the season. 298 00:14:58,941 --> 00:15:01,944 Here, it's kind of on sort of a slow burn. 299 00:15:02,152 --> 00:15:04,196 I wish only great things. 300 00:15:05,155 --> 00:15:06,282 Come. 301 00:15:07,116 --> 00:15:10,703 I love the magic, that he has this ability to make her see 302 00:15:10,786 --> 00:15:12,329 what she wants to see. 303 00:15:12,413 --> 00:15:13,414 Yeah. 304 00:15:13,497 --> 00:15:16,792 It's such a wonderful, devilish gift to give him. 305 00:15:18,669 --> 00:15:21,046 Yeah, well, it's really supposed to reflect 306 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:23,966 the idea that she has so much guilt over her son, 307 00:15:24,049 --> 00:15:25,593 and there, now she's looking at 308 00:15:26,844 --> 00:15:28,095 what should be Moloch, 309 00:15:28,178 --> 00:15:32,057 and yet it appears to her as the son she never was able to take care of, 310 00:15:32,308 --> 00:15:33,559 - that she had to give up. - Mmm. 311 00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:40,899 Where'd you find the creepy baby, though? 312 00:15:40,983 --> 00:15:42,610 It's such a creepy-looking baby. 313 00:15:44,278 --> 00:15:45,696 - Is that mean to say? - Hey, that's... 314 00:15:46,363 --> 00:15:49,908 - Yeah, now, it's creepy-looking. - Ahhh! There we go. 315 00:16:03,922 --> 00:16:04,965 Aw... 316 00:16:05,049 --> 00:16:07,134 But, again, those sets are just... 317 00:16:07,217 --> 00:16:10,471 That was the Fredericks Manor set. So creepy. 318 00:16:10,554 --> 00:16:12,139 We spent a lot of time there this season. 319 00:16:12,222 --> 00:16:14,683 ...possess the maternal instinct after all. 320 00:16:16,727 --> 00:16:19,647 You know, Wendey, I think she did a really lovely job with this scene. 321 00:16:19,730 --> 00:16:22,691 It's just, like, the stillness allows you to feel 322 00:16:22,775 --> 00:16:24,318 that there's so much going on. 323 00:16:25,319 --> 00:16:27,154 I mean, we are staking out a killer ghost. 324 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:28,572 Who also happens to be our mother. 325 00:16:28,697 --> 00:16:30,658 We need to stop her from hurting other people, maybe help her. 326 00:16:30,783 --> 00:16:32,493 This place turned her into a monster. 327 00:16:32,576 --> 00:16:34,703 We need to send her back before she kills anyone else. 328 00:16:34,787 --> 00:16:37,164 We don't know the full story. That's why we're here. 329 00:16:37,373 --> 00:16:39,583 I just want to put her to rest. 330 00:16:39,792 --> 00:16:42,211 Look, guys, they're not mutually exclusive, okay? 331 00:16:42,711 --> 00:16:45,923 We can stop her and maybe help her find some peace. 332 00:16:49,093 --> 00:16:51,720 Where are all the people working at this place? 333 00:16:52,262 --> 00:16:54,390 They had to clear out for you guys. 334 00:16:57,893 --> 00:17:02,731 And, you know, Tarrytown Psychiatric is a bit of a magical place, so... 335 00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:10,489 - Walt, Walt. - No! 336 00:17:11,615 --> 00:17:12,700 There you go. 337 00:17:12,783 --> 00:17:15,035 - No! I need to die! - Hey, hey! 338 00:17:15,953 --> 00:17:17,579 Shh. There you go. 339 00:17:21,291 --> 00:17:23,210 Hey, it's okay. I got you. 340 00:17:26,213 --> 00:17:27,381 Yeah, it's pretty heavy. 341 00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:29,007 Yeah. 342 00:17:30,676 --> 00:17:31,760 Abbie? 343 00:17:34,638 --> 00:17:37,182 And it begins. Ahhh! 344 00:17:37,266 --> 00:17:38,600 Always getting yanked somewhere. 345 00:17:39,935 --> 00:17:41,395 - Poor Abbie. - Yep. 346 00:17:42,479 --> 00:17:45,315 To the really scary part of Tarrytown. 347 00:17:46,275 --> 00:17:48,318 As if that wasn't scary enough. 348 00:17:50,654 --> 00:17:55,033 So, I forget, is this the flashback, or is this like another dimension of it? 349 00:17:55,117 --> 00:17:56,618 This is just the haunted sector. 350 00:17:56,702 --> 00:17:59,079 Yeah, this is the haunted section of... 351 00:17:59,163 --> 00:18:01,248 The part where it's closed down. 352 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:05,961 But it's where her mom was kept. 353 00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:12,176 Yeah, that's probably in... Yeah, that's definitely my worst nightmare. 354 00:18:13,635 --> 00:18:14,845 That's horrible. 355 00:18:16,054 --> 00:18:18,390 Was it scary for you to perform, 356 00:18:18,474 --> 00:18:20,851 and, like, do you, when you were in this area... 357 00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:22,686 No. 358 00:18:22,770 --> 00:18:25,481 No, we're like... Our trailers, it's like beautiful outside, 359 00:18:25,564 --> 00:18:29,026 and you got to come in here and pretend that it's dark and scary. 360 00:18:29,109 --> 00:18:32,237 And then you're doing your stunts over and over again, you know. 361 00:18:33,655 --> 00:18:37,117 I did really want to try to get through those stunts. 362 00:18:37,201 --> 00:18:39,203 Yeah. You did all of those, right? 363 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:43,624 Yeah. They're not, like, massive, but... 364 00:18:44,208 --> 00:18:46,627 Still, you're thrown around. 365 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:48,796 And this hallway was definitely very scary. 366 00:18:48,879 --> 00:18:50,130 I thought that there was someone here. 367 00:18:50,214 --> 00:18:52,257 Oh. I... I don't think so. 368 00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:54,718 It's this place. It can, 369 00:18:55,886 --> 00:18:57,805 well, do things to you. 370 00:18:58,514 --> 00:19:00,557 - Are you okay? - Yes, thank you. 371 00:19:02,726 --> 00:19:05,145 You don't look okay. 372 00:19:05,229 --> 00:19:07,397 She loved to give hugs, that one. 373 00:19:08,941 --> 00:19:12,069 - I didn't know that. 374 00:19:13,403 --> 00:19:14,404 That's why we cast her. 375 00:19:14,571 --> 00:19:16,323 I'm gonna find my way out. 376 00:19:20,244 --> 00:19:21,370 Abbie? 377 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:23,080 Oh. 378 00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:25,332 - I'll take the south wing. - Okay, great, I'll take the east. 379 00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:27,084 Mills! 380 00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:32,589 You don't separate once you go into the haunted... 381 00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:35,592 Yeah, it's a pretty hard-and-fast rule. 382 00:19:36,552 --> 00:19:39,888 Oh... See, I haven't seen this part. Oh, no. 383 00:19:41,306 --> 00:19:47,062 Yeah, I love the way that was shot, with the Steadicam turned around. 384 00:19:48,021 --> 00:19:49,106 Jenny! 385 00:19:49,439 --> 00:19:50,774 Oh, Abbie. Thank God. 386 00:19:51,275 --> 00:19:52,484 - You okay? - I'm fine. 387 00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:53,735 What happened? 388 00:19:55,112 --> 00:19:56,572 That's a weird little run I did there. 389 00:19:56,655 --> 00:19:58,615 Can we please... Can we take it back? 390 00:19:58,699 --> 00:20:00,367 What was that? 391 00:20:01,785 --> 00:20:03,912 "TPRJLM12." 392 00:20:05,289 --> 00:20:09,167 And that's all a visual effect. None of that was actually on the window. 393 00:20:09,251 --> 00:20:10,961 It's added in post. 394 00:20:11,545 --> 00:20:12,671 And now that I'm watching, 395 00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:15,173 I'm like, we should have added a little element 396 00:20:15,257 --> 00:20:16,508 of feeling the cold. 397 00:20:16,592 --> 00:20:21,430 Since that's some sort of frost-spirit thing. Like, "Oh, we missed that moment." 398 00:20:21,763 --> 00:20:23,432 I didn't think about that. 399 00:20:24,182 --> 00:20:25,559 Ugh! 400 00:20:26,393 --> 00:20:27,644 Again. 401 00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:39,656 And Katrina knows what she's supposed to do here. 402 00:20:40,532 --> 00:20:42,951 But she just can't bring herself. 403 00:20:45,996 --> 00:20:50,042 Ugh. That was another, that was a doll, that baby Moloch doll, 404 00:20:50,125 --> 00:20:52,544 - that was creepy. - Mmm-hmm. 405 00:20:52,628 --> 00:20:54,630 The puppet, yeah. 406 00:20:54,713 --> 00:20:55,756 Yeah, the puppet. 407 00:20:58,342 --> 00:21:01,178 Yeah, the whole team, the prop and, like, 408 00:21:01,803 --> 00:21:04,389 special effects team is really spectacular on this show. 409 00:21:04,473 --> 00:21:09,227 They have very little time, and what they're able to do, you know... 410 00:21:09,311 --> 00:21:10,562 - Oh, it's amazing. - It's amazing. 411 00:21:11,647 --> 00:21:15,651 They really take care of us and fill out the rest of this world. 412 00:21:16,526 --> 00:21:20,113 Yeah. We have creature meetings about every two or three weeks, 413 00:21:20,197 --> 00:21:24,534 and Corey will give us these updates and show sketches. Yeah. 414 00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:27,120 That I did not know. 415 00:21:27,621 --> 00:21:29,289 Yeah. But the hair and make-up trailer's 416 00:21:29,373 --> 00:21:33,460 always filled with, like, some random guy covered in jelly or goo or... 417 00:21:34,211 --> 00:21:35,337 Whatever. 418 00:21:35,545 --> 00:21:37,130 Especially after the note she left. 419 00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:40,300 This note? 420 00:21:43,553 --> 00:21:44,972 It says, "I fought." 421 00:21:47,099 --> 00:21:49,184 I mean, I don't know, is that how you remember it, Abbie? 422 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:55,816 Lyndie was so, like, open and, you know, vulnerable 423 00:21:55,899 --> 00:21:57,901 during this section. 424 00:21:57,985 --> 00:22:01,655 It made it very easy to work through these scenes very quickly. 425 00:22:01,738 --> 00:22:03,824 ...can help us understand it all more. 426 00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:09,329 I don't know, but we do this together, 427 00:22:10,247 --> 00:22:11,790 like we used to when things got bad. 428 00:22:14,292 --> 00:22:16,837 - A fist bump. Yeah. - Yeah. 429 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,548 - Head bump. - Or a head bump. 430 00:22:19,631 --> 00:22:21,675 - Okay. - I don't think that was scripted. 431 00:22:26,888 --> 00:22:30,142 I couldn't imagine actually looking at that kind of videotape 432 00:22:30,225 --> 00:22:31,768 of a family member. 433 00:22:32,436 --> 00:22:34,604 What you guys wrote is pretty tough. 434 00:22:36,106 --> 00:22:38,442 They... They followed me here. 435 00:22:39,234 --> 00:22:42,112 Yeah. Well, it was effective, I think, again, 436 00:22:42,195 --> 00:22:44,865 because the two of you could do it together. 437 00:22:44,948 --> 00:22:47,534 It would be incredibly hard for one person to do. 438 00:22:47,617 --> 00:22:50,078 - But really, it's just... - I could do it, get out of here. 439 00:22:50,162 --> 00:22:52,289 - Oh, you could, of course. 440 00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,041 - I'm just... - Most mortals, though. 441 00:22:54,166 --> 00:22:55,792 She wants me to do it. 442 00:22:56,793 --> 00:22:58,170 Who wants you to do it? 443 00:22:58,503 --> 00:22:59,838 Nurse. 444 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:02,966 The nurse. Lambert. 445 00:23:03,592 --> 00:23:05,719 - Lambert? - She's right about me. 446 00:23:08,847 --> 00:23:09,973 I need to do it. 447 00:23:10,057 --> 00:23:12,184 The nurse we saw this morning was named Lambert. 448 00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:13,810 I need to end my pain. 449 00:23:13,894 --> 00:23:16,271 She was with Walt before he tried to kill himself. 450 00:23:17,314 --> 00:23:21,026 I wish everyone could see her video was so scary. 451 00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:22,277 She's a delusion... 452 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,237 And they had to cut... Oh, there it is. 453 00:23:24,321 --> 00:23:25,322 Ugh. 454 00:23:25,447 --> 00:23:26,740 She's real! 455 00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:29,284 Mama isn't behind those deaths. 456 00:23:29,785 --> 00:23:31,536 Oh, Frank. 457 00:23:31,620 --> 00:23:35,540 Yeah, we decided to intercut this whole section so that we can see... 458 00:23:35,624 --> 00:23:36,666 Oh, it's great. 459 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:40,504 ...exactly, you know, the effect of this nurse still around 460 00:23:40,587 --> 00:23:45,342 as you guys are watching here, and then she's still plotting her next step. 461 00:23:46,927 --> 00:23:48,178 She knows Irving. 462 00:23:48,512 --> 00:23:53,892 There was a song that initially was a part of the script or the story 463 00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:55,852 that I don't think is a part of it anymore, 464 00:23:55,936 --> 00:24:00,649 but there's a gospel song that you guys asked me to learn. 465 00:24:00,732 --> 00:24:02,651 - What was it... Go Where I Send Thee? - Yeah. 466 00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,736 - I think it was called at the time. - Yeah, exactly. 467 00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:07,114 And, you know, we didn't end up using it. 468 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,034 Funnily enough, Aunjanue knew the song, and I mentioned it to her, 469 00:24:11,118 --> 00:24:13,870 so then I just had like an instant connection. 470 00:24:13,954 --> 00:24:17,374 Sometimes it's just little things that make you feel like, you know... 471 00:24:18,125 --> 00:24:19,793 - Mmm-hmm. - It's a very old song. 472 00:24:24,881 --> 00:24:27,717 Yeah, that was the initial song that we had... 473 00:24:28,218 --> 00:24:31,221 The idea was, in that opening dream sequence, 474 00:24:31,304 --> 00:24:36,393 we were gonna play Go Where I Send Thee and it would help sort of just guide 475 00:24:36,476 --> 00:24:38,895 the scene through, but we... 476 00:24:39,312 --> 00:24:43,316 You Are My Sunshine just seemed like a more effective song, so... 477 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,987 This part... This actually, this scene, we ended up... 478 00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:51,324 There was a much longer take of it in the first cut. 479 00:24:51,408 --> 00:24:54,161 - Oh, God, no. - And yeah, we had to cut it way down. 480 00:24:54,244 --> 00:24:58,081 'Cause it became just way too scary for everybody 481 00:24:58,456 --> 00:24:59,499 and hard to watch. 482 00:25:00,876 --> 00:25:03,795 Very hard to watch. We love Orlando. 483 00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:06,298 Get out! I need to die! 484 00:25:06,423 --> 00:25:07,757 Oh, God! 485 00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:13,889 I remember, when we were in that room, we really felt like a team. 486 00:25:13,972 --> 00:25:16,766 'Cause he was not, like, you know, hopping out of the water. 487 00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:21,730 We all had to run in, and we're waiting in the wings to come in, 488 00:25:21,813 --> 00:25:23,023 there was water all over the floor, 489 00:25:23,106 --> 00:25:26,276 so we really had to, like, navigate and stay up 490 00:25:27,611 --> 00:25:29,070 without falling over. 491 00:25:29,613 --> 00:25:31,573 But we felt like a team, we had to really work together 492 00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:33,325 to sort of get him out of the water. 493 00:25:33,408 --> 00:25:35,243 Oh, that's great. 494 00:25:35,702 --> 00:25:37,370 Yeah, it was fantastic. 495 00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:41,541 It was really, really a treat to be working with Matt and Lyndie. 496 00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:43,501 How are you feeling, Captain? 497 00:25:45,921 --> 00:25:47,214 I've been better. 498 00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:51,051 Well, especially having Irving there, 499 00:25:51,134 --> 00:25:55,180 just seeing the four of you guys together on screen felt like a team. 500 00:25:55,263 --> 00:25:58,892 Then everything she started telling me about taking my own life, 501 00:25:58,975 --> 00:26:00,268 it just made sense. 502 00:26:00,894 --> 00:26:03,480 And suicide seemed like the only thing to do. 503 00:26:04,439 --> 00:26:06,191 The tox report shows that 504 00:26:06,274 --> 00:26:08,777 you were under the influence of psychotropic drugs. 505 00:26:09,527 --> 00:26:11,738 Opened your mind to suggestion. 506 00:26:12,239 --> 00:26:14,449 Especially with demonic influence. 507 00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:15,992 Demonic? 508 00:26:17,202 --> 00:26:18,828 - Who is she? - I don't know yet. 509 00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:21,873 I've got to figure that out, but she's someone we're gonna stop. 510 00:26:23,792 --> 00:26:25,043 I want to help. 511 00:26:26,211 --> 00:26:27,921 But they're gonna think I'm a suicide risk... 512 00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:29,422 I remember one thing. 513 00:26:29,506 --> 00:26:31,383 The Twittersphere went crazy 514 00:26:31,466 --> 00:26:35,720 about Orlando potentially hurting himself during this night. 515 00:26:35,804 --> 00:26:37,722 I think we were working when it was on the air, 516 00:26:37,806 --> 00:26:39,140 but I remember that. 517 00:26:39,224 --> 00:26:41,268 People went pretty crazy about this episode, 518 00:26:41,351 --> 00:26:44,187 especially when he did what he did. 519 00:26:47,691 --> 00:26:48,775 Yeah. We knew it was gonna come to 520 00:26:48,858 --> 00:26:50,860 a good place at the end of the episode, 521 00:26:50,944 --> 00:26:55,031 but it was still one of those things, that during, is hard to... 522 00:26:55,865 --> 00:26:57,200 Hard to justify. 523 00:26:58,326 --> 00:27:01,204 And you've created so many complicated relationships 524 00:27:01,705 --> 00:27:03,665 with Orlando's family. 525 00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:09,379 First with his daughter being, what was it, possessed last year? 526 00:27:09,504 --> 00:27:12,632 And now this is the first time you actually see him in harm's way, 527 00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:15,468 you know, and so vulnerable with Abbie. 528 00:27:15,552 --> 00:27:17,470 - I thought that was really special. - Yeah. 529 00:27:17,554 --> 00:27:21,141 And it was a great setup for where we go by the end of this season. 530 00:27:21,224 --> 00:27:24,060 I think this is Mom trying to stop this demon from killing other people. 531 00:27:24,227 --> 00:27:26,021 Her final note said, "I fought." 532 00:27:26,229 --> 00:27:27,647 What if this is her, still fighting? 533 00:27:27,731 --> 00:27:29,357 Well, we were trying to foreshadow what happens 534 00:27:29,441 --> 00:27:31,318 in the middle of the season. 535 00:27:31,401 --> 00:27:34,988 And then the idea is when he came back after he was resurrected, 536 00:27:35,071 --> 00:27:38,199 that he really had, like, a full new lease on life 537 00:27:38,283 --> 00:27:41,119 and he was untethered in a way that he wasn't before. 538 00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:44,331 He could really shed the skin of being the police captain 539 00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:45,707 and become his own man. 540 00:27:46,124 --> 00:27:48,585 So by the end of the season, we really set up 541 00:27:48,668 --> 00:27:51,338 that now he's ready, you know, 542 00:27:51,421 --> 00:27:55,550 to be free and find himself as a hero. 543 00:27:56,092 --> 00:27:57,344 Jenny. 544 00:27:58,595 --> 00:28:00,722 But it was a long, painful journey for him. 545 00:28:00,805 --> 00:28:04,642 He was under Moloch's 546 00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:08,855 and then Henry's possession for most of the season. 547 00:28:08,938 --> 00:28:13,234 I love this concept in this particular scene 548 00:28:14,235 --> 00:28:16,696 that while she was locked up, 549 00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:21,409 she was somewhat of an artist. We actually had to do this. 550 00:28:22,202 --> 00:28:25,955 Like, days later, we all had blisters on our hands and all that stuff. 551 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,500 It was actually a lot of fun ripping that down. 552 00:28:28,583 --> 00:28:29,918 - Oh, cool. - But the undertone 553 00:28:30,001 --> 00:28:33,254 that like, you know, "Mom was an artist" kind of thing... 554 00:28:33,338 --> 00:28:34,839 Like a, you know... 555 00:28:35,965 --> 00:28:39,928 She had the ability to express herself, but just in a very strange way. 556 00:28:40,011 --> 00:28:41,805 I don't know if you guys thought of it that way, 557 00:28:41,888 --> 00:28:43,223 but that's what I did. 558 00:28:43,306 --> 00:28:46,393 No, we did, and we called it the Beautiful Mind sequence 559 00:28:46,476 --> 00:28:48,895 of just filling the entire wall. 560 00:28:55,693 --> 00:28:56,694 Poor Matt, he was like, 561 00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:59,531 "What the hell am I doing here? This is really awkward." 562 00:29:05,036 --> 00:29:06,121 That song. 563 00:29:06,204 --> 00:29:09,666 And so that was an homage to your little one, huh? 564 00:29:10,375 --> 00:29:12,419 You Are My Sunshine, she was just learning it. 565 00:29:12,502 --> 00:29:16,423 Yeah. I try to... Every once in a while, we put those elements in. 566 00:29:16,506 --> 00:29:18,091 You know, you want to find something personal 567 00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:20,969 - that you relate to in every episode. - Absolutely. 568 00:29:21,052 --> 00:29:23,513 And it helps keep it emotional for us, 569 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:25,932 and hopefully then you guys can find it better, too. 570 00:29:26,015 --> 00:29:27,267 Do you like it, Mama? 571 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:28,726 You'll never know, dear 572 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,437 How much I love you 573 00:29:31,729 --> 00:29:33,106 It's beautiful, baby. 574 00:29:33,189 --> 00:29:35,191 Please don't take my sunshine away 575 00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:36,943 What's that smell? 576 00:29:37,026 --> 00:29:40,113 This flashback was all 100% Damian's idea. 577 00:29:40,196 --> 00:29:42,031 He really wanted to show 578 00:29:42,115 --> 00:29:44,742 that Jenny had this very different experience. 579 00:29:45,368 --> 00:29:46,536 Mmm-hmm. 580 00:29:47,162 --> 00:29:48,204 We gotta get out of here. 581 00:29:48,538 --> 00:29:49,539 We gotta get out of here. 582 00:29:50,081 --> 00:29:51,958 Yeah, that kind of stuff I can't watch. 583 00:29:52,041 --> 00:29:54,752 I'm actually very sensitive to that kind of stuff. 584 00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:57,881 You're not safe. 585 00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:10,852 I'll be damned. 586 00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:12,562 Mama. 587 00:30:14,981 --> 00:30:16,483 We know about Lambert... 588 00:30:17,734 --> 00:30:21,196 Was this one of the earlier scenes that you shot with Aunjanue? 589 00:30:21,905 --> 00:30:23,156 It's the only way to stop her. 590 00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:24,866 - Earlier? - Yeah. 591 00:30:24,949 --> 00:30:28,286 I don't remember... I can't remember the sequence necessarily. 592 00:30:29,287 --> 00:30:32,290 No, 'cause we only really had that... We just had the two scenes. 593 00:30:32,373 --> 00:30:33,583 Yeah. 594 00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:36,336 It feels like more because of all the flashbacks, right? 595 00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:38,880 There's the sense of her being there. 596 00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:41,549 Yeah, it really does, 'cause they're consistent throughout. 597 00:30:41,633 --> 00:30:45,386 But we only... I only got to work with her twice during this and then the... 598 00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:47,180 Right, and then the final scene. 599 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,015 - No! - They're mine. 600 00:30:49,098 --> 00:30:50,517 No, no! No! 601 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,101 No, you have to get out of here! 602 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:53,853 It's so frenetic. 603 00:30:55,438 --> 00:30:56,439 Yes, it is. 604 00:30:57,398 --> 00:30:58,983 Oy! 605 00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:01,986 Now, that was a mess. 606 00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:05,198 They had me in like this strange harness thing and pulled me out. 607 00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:07,992 I was thinking I was gonna be, like, flying through the air. 608 00:31:08,076 --> 00:31:10,119 And it just looks like I tripped. 609 00:31:15,542 --> 00:31:18,628 So they put you in a harness and then what, they pull you with a rope? 610 00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:20,088 - Is that how it works? - Yeah. 611 00:31:20,171 --> 00:31:22,882 Yeah, we've done quite a bit of harness work on this show. 612 00:31:23,424 --> 00:31:26,636 It's one of the more exciting things. The fighting and the... 613 00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:28,721 Some of the stunts. 614 00:31:28,805 --> 00:31:32,308 And there was this lovely mattress waiting for me. 615 00:31:32,976 --> 00:31:33,977 Oy... 616 00:31:36,187 --> 00:31:37,730 Like mother, like daughter. 617 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:45,113 Abbie and that gun. 618 00:31:45,196 --> 00:31:47,699 She pulls out this gun for demons all the time. 619 00:31:48,658 --> 00:31:50,368 You're a broken spirit, 620 00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:52,787 needing to be freed from this hellish life. 621 00:31:54,163 --> 00:31:55,331 Looks uncomfortable. 622 00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:58,001 Don't you want to know peace, too? 623 00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:03,006 Yeah. Well, as the season goes on, at least Abbie figured out 624 00:32:03,089 --> 00:32:05,675 that there are special bullets that you can use. 625 00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:08,595 You do not have very nice manners, young lady. 626 00:32:13,891 --> 00:32:14,934 No! 627 00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:16,477 No! No! 628 00:32:16,561 --> 00:32:18,187 This is where they would've kept Mama's stuff. 629 00:32:18,354 --> 00:32:19,814 It's the archive room for the old wing. 630 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,275 Mama's journal would be with her personal effects. 631 00:32:25,111 --> 00:32:26,321 Yo, Jenny. 632 00:32:32,035 --> 00:32:35,204 You always manage to get a nice mix of history in there. 633 00:32:35,288 --> 00:32:38,041 I was wondering how you were gonna do it with this episode. 634 00:32:38,124 --> 00:32:41,461 'Cause it seemed like it was just gonna be about, you know, 635 00:32:41,544 --> 00:32:43,796 from the mother's trauma 636 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,634 until the Mill sisters are fighting in current times. 637 00:32:49,052 --> 00:32:52,221 Yeah, well, it gave us this great opportunity to then, 638 00:32:52,305 --> 00:32:55,767 yeah, to bring up Grace and really to find this journal, 639 00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:58,227 which was the key to the episode. 640 00:32:58,436 --> 00:33:01,439 Because that then leads to the next episode 641 00:33:01,522 --> 00:33:05,276 and the journey to find, you know, the Sword of Methuselah 642 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,570 and then ultimately defeat Moloch with it. 643 00:33:08,071 --> 00:33:11,324 So, we thought that would be a really powerful way to get there, 644 00:33:11,407 --> 00:33:13,826 is that Abbie's mother had this journal all this time. 645 00:33:13,910 --> 00:33:16,496 No small wonder. You have so much troubling you. 646 00:33:16,579 --> 00:33:18,414 Stay away from me! 647 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,167 I love how tough Abbie is. 648 00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:23,002 Doesn't matter. Strap her down, doesn't matter. 649 00:33:23,086 --> 00:33:24,921 Yeah. You're stuck. 650 00:33:25,338 --> 00:33:29,008 Strap me down. Still gonna fight. 651 00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:30,134 Don't leave me in here. 652 00:33:30,218 --> 00:33:32,679 Please don't leave me in here. Please! 653 00:33:33,179 --> 00:33:34,347 Let me out! 654 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:35,723 She resisted at first... 655 00:33:35,807 --> 00:33:38,226 Oh, that sucks. Oh... 656 00:33:39,018 --> 00:33:40,228 - Yeah. - Terrible. 657 00:33:40,311 --> 00:33:43,648 Some of us aren't strong enough to bear the burden. 658 00:33:43,773 --> 00:33:47,652 They need an angel of mercy to help them cross over... 659 00:33:48,945 --> 00:33:53,741 And she was just so believable doing that. Like, she just believed it. 660 00:33:54,575 --> 00:33:58,371 'Cause that... I feel like that could come off really, you know... 661 00:33:58,454 --> 00:34:00,540 A little too on the nose. 662 00:34:01,541 --> 00:34:04,919 And she just delivered that in the most amazing way. 663 00:34:05,002 --> 00:34:06,587 - Yeah. - You believed her. 664 00:34:06,671 --> 00:34:08,881 We read a number of people for the role 665 00:34:08,965 --> 00:34:11,092 and even looked at the costume for it. 666 00:34:11,175 --> 00:34:15,096 We put her in sort of a, you know, a 1950s-era 667 00:34:15,847 --> 00:34:21,227 nurse outfit that just made it, like, just a very sweet, but yet even creepier 668 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:22,395 because she seemed so innocent. 669 00:34:22,812 --> 00:34:23,813 So... 670 00:34:24,313 --> 00:34:27,608 So much more sadistic, you guys are... Pearls. 671 00:34:27,692 --> 00:34:28,693 Yeah. 672 00:34:28,776 --> 00:34:30,403 - Pearls, of all things. - Right. 673 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:32,905 We had a long debate about the color of those pills. 674 00:34:32,989 --> 00:34:36,951 Yeah, I remember this. Wendey loved this. She just loved this. 675 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,828 She was like, "Yeah! 676 00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:42,832 "You take your finger and then you're gonna just make it. It's magic." 677 00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:46,085 She was so excited that it worked. I was like, "Okay." 678 00:34:47,462 --> 00:34:49,922 It was fun to do. Lots of good play. 679 00:34:50,339 --> 00:34:52,508 Cool. It just looked really scary. 680 00:35:03,352 --> 00:35:06,731 This effect was another one that was, you know, a big combination 681 00:35:06,814 --> 00:35:08,691 of both practical and VFX. 682 00:35:09,358 --> 00:35:13,362 So, I imagine for you guys it's pretty difficult just to, you know... 683 00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:17,366 "Well, here's what is gonna happen when we're finished in post. 684 00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:19,744 "But right now, there's just some wind." 685 00:35:19,827 --> 00:35:21,078 Mmm-hmm. 686 00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:22,622 I'm not scared of you anymore! 687 00:35:26,042 --> 00:35:27,376 Yeah, when I was shooting it... 688 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:30,296 I think you can see, there's, like, debris in my hair and stuff. 689 00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,882 They were actually throwing things at me. 690 00:35:34,133 --> 00:35:37,804 And there's, like, a fan, and so, you know... 691 00:35:38,387 --> 00:35:40,807 Now, that we didn't see coming. 692 00:35:44,185 --> 00:35:45,186 Ay, yai, yai. 693 00:35:48,731 --> 00:35:50,066 Incantations. 694 00:35:50,775 --> 00:35:53,194 Yeah, but what was cool emotionally is that 695 00:35:53,277 --> 00:35:55,279 it didn't really get to finish the story 696 00:35:55,363 --> 00:35:57,907 between Abbie and her mother. 697 00:35:57,990 --> 00:36:00,743 She hasn't really gotten that closure yet. 698 00:36:01,619 --> 00:36:05,456 So, even though we've now killed Lambert, 699 00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:08,501 there's really, there's still the emotional part to get through. 700 00:36:08,584 --> 00:36:10,336 - She fought for me. Mmm-hmm. 701 00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:11,629 She fought for me. 702 00:36:15,049 --> 00:36:16,467 I never got to tell her thank you. 703 00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:20,388 Just wanted to see her one more time. 704 00:36:22,265 --> 00:36:24,600 This is giving me a panic attack watching it. 705 00:36:27,103 --> 00:36:28,563 Jesus Christ. 706 00:36:32,441 --> 00:36:34,694 - Ah! The séance. - It's beautiful, yeah. 707 00:36:35,111 --> 00:36:36,696 Thanks for bringing all of this, Crane. 708 00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:40,408 With the help from the sleeping aids Mr. Hawley graciously... 709 00:36:40,491 --> 00:36:43,327 That is a pretty amazing mural that they put on the wall. 710 00:36:43,411 --> 00:36:45,413 It is. It is. 711 00:36:45,496 --> 00:36:48,749 I wasn't expecting it to be that nice, you know. 712 00:36:49,542 --> 00:36:53,129 Or detailed, 'cause after a while, we took the whole thing down, 713 00:36:53,212 --> 00:36:58,551 and like you said, the art team is just amazing on the show. 714 00:36:58,634 --> 00:37:01,971 Yeah, Natalie and Shannon, I mean, it was so funny. 715 00:37:02,096 --> 00:37:06,601 Every time we'll write, like, "Oh, there's a document from 1783." 716 00:37:06,684 --> 00:37:11,147 And Io and behold, they come up with something that just is brilliant. 717 00:37:12,481 --> 00:37:16,193 Again, Lyndie and Matt Barr in this scene, my goodness. 718 00:37:16,319 --> 00:37:20,698 They took it so seriously. I don't know if she, like, did research or, you know... 719 00:37:20,781 --> 00:37:23,117 'Cause Abbie wasn't supposed to know how to have a séance. 720 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,243 Right. 721 00:37:24,327 --> 00:37:27,538 But they were talking about the process and how you put this up 722 00:37:27,622 --> 00:37:29,832 and what you're supposed to be doing. 723 00:37:29,916 --> 00:37:31,000 Yeah. 724 00:37:32,585 --> 00:37:33,669 We didn't end up doing most of it 725 00:37:33,753 --> 00:37:36,088 'cause we had to sort of get to the crux of it. 726 00:37:37,423 --> 00:37:40,676 But that energy was definitely in the space. 727 00:37:42,511 --> 00:37:46,891 Wow. So you get in the mindset, and did you do research about séance, 728 00:37:46,974 --> 00:37:48,184 or just relied on... 729 00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:51,854 No, I mean, I think they did. I think they did, yeah. 730 00:37:52,772 --> 00:37:53,856 Mama. 731 00:37:54,273 --> 00:37:57,985 Yeah. Or they've done them before, you know, they were creepy. 732 00:37:58,361 --> 00:38:00,029 Look at what you grew up to be. 733 00:38:01,072 --> 00:38:03,032 You knew all along that I was a Witness? 734 00:38:03,866 --> 00:38:05,201 Yes. 735 00:38:05,534 --> 00:38:07,203 Oh, I hear violins. 736 00:38:07,787 --> 00:38:09,997 There are so many things you don't get to choose, Abbie. 737 00:38:12,041 --> 00:38:13,292 In this scene, Nicole, really, 738 00:38:13,376 --> 00:38:15,294 I attribute you to coming up 739 00:38:15,628 --> 00:38:17,296 with a lot of what we ended up doing here, 740 00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:19,924 digging deeper and, you know, 741 00:38:20,007 --> 00:38:23,177 having Abbie ask some really pointed questions about, 742 00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:25,137 you know, that her mom knew she was a Witness. 743 00:38:25,221 --> 00:38:27,598 And what could that mean and how can that help her. 744 00:38:28,265 --> 00:38:31,894 Thought that was... We had some really great conversations about the script 745 00:38:31,978 --> 00:38:33,729 as we were going through it. 746 00:38:38,192 --> 00:38:40,569 Yeah. I had forgotten about that. 747 00:38:42,071 --> 00:38:43,239 Hold on! 748 00:38:45,533 --> 00:38:48,536 I'd never seen the literal demon in the background before. 749 00:38:48,619 --> 00:38:51,288 - Yeah. - That's pretty scary. 750 00:38:51,747 --> 00:38:53,124 Yeah, another effect from post. 751 00:38:53,207 --> 00:38:54,250 You saved us. 752 00:38:54,959 --> 00:38:56,002 I did. 753 00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:59,547 I would imagine that's something that, for you guys, 754 00:38:59,630 --> 00:39:02,842 is pretty hard, or at least harder to do. 755 00:39:02,925 --> 00:39:03,926 I mean, we... 756 00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:08,597 You know, we add so much in post that you're acting to nothing, 757 00:39:08,681 --> 00:39:10,933 or, you know, the director just telling you, 758 00:39:11,017 --> 00:39:13,602 "There's gonna be a ghost over here, in the left corner." 759 00:39:13,853 --> 00:39:14,854 Yeah. 760 00:39:15,563 --> 00:39:17,231 But that's just a part of it, you know. 761 00:39:17,314 --> 00:39:19,358 I think it's actually something that we enjoy, 762 00:39:19,442 --> 00:39:21,694 to sort of be surprised. Like now, taking it in. 763 00:39:22,653 --> 00:39:23,738 Yes. 764 00:39:23,821 --> 00:39:25,781 I have so many questions. 765 00:39:26,782 --> 00:39:28,659 Moloch may still be here on Earth. 766 00:39:28,826 --> 00:39:30,244 The journal. 767 00:39:30,578 --> 00:39:31,787 It keeps the secrets. 768 00:39:31,954 --> 00:39:33,581 There's a weapon hidden in its pages. 769 00:39:35,458 --> 00:39:36,625 You find it. 770 00:39:38,627 --> 00:39:40,212 You were meant to go further than any of us. 771 00:39:40,296 --> 00:39:44,258 And we end up using that journal quite a bit for the rest of the seasons. 772 00:39:46,969 --> 00:39:48,721 You don't deserve any of this. 773 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,433 How can we free you from this place? 774 00:39:53,142 --> 00:39:57,813 I felt like the journal did become this link between Abbie and her past 775 00:39:57,897 --> 00:40:01,442 that we could always rely on to help 776 00:40:01,525 --> 00:40:03,402 find some of the emotion with both... 777 00:40:03,486 --> 00:40:06,572 It just represented the struggle of her family, 778 00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:08,616 of her mother, her ancestors. 779 00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,993 They had all built and led to this place 780 00:40:11,994 --> 00:40:13,913 for her to go further. 781 00:40:14,622 --> 00:40:16,457 I'm like sobbing. 782 00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:19,001 Oh, no, oh, no. 783 00:40:19,085 --> 00:40:21,378 - It was powerful. I was crying. - And then, look at Crane. 784 00:40:21,462 --> 00:40:23,297 Crane is like so... The post got... 785 00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:26,675 Both of the guys are just feeling so awkward. 786 00:40:26,759 --> 00:40:28,260 I just love that. 787 00:40:28,761 --> 00:40:30,346 They're like, "What? 788 00:40:31,138 --> 00:40:33,682 "What have we gotten ourselves into?" Look at him. I love that. 789 00:40:33,766 --> 00:40:35,976 He's like, "I got a break, I came back. 790 00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:39,438 "You're crying. Everyone's crying. Why is this happening?" 791 00:40:39,522 --> 00:40:40,940 "What happened while I was gone?" 792 00:40:44,693 --> 00:40:47,613 Just those little flashes that crack me up. 793 00:40:54,745 --> 00:40:56,914 Another scene to be continued. 794 00:40:58,582 --> 00:41:02,128 - This day was a gorgeous day. - Oh, finally. 795 00:41:02,211 --> 00:41:03,671 That was a beautiful day. 796 00:41:05,381 --> 00:41:06,632 Frank, what are you doing out here? 797 00:41:06,715 --> 00:41:07,842 Police call it "escaping." 798 00:41:07,925 --> 00:41:10,386 Whatever happened back there with your mom gave me an opportunity. 799 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,720 I took it. 800 00:41:11,804 --> 00:41:13,347 Long as I'm in there, I got a target on my back. 801 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:14,932 Out here, I got a chance to make things right. 802 00:41:15,558 --> 00:41:18,060 Don't give me that aiding-and-abetting-a-fugitive look, Mills. 803 00:41:19,061 --> 00:41:20,521 You said I could trust you. 804 00:41:21,355 --> 00:41:23,315 I love that about him. 805 00:41:23,399 --> 00:41:24,525 Now get me out of here. 806 00:41:27,236 --> 00:41:29,738 And this is such a good setup for what happens later. 807 00:41:29,822 --> 00:41:32,116 Such a good setup for what happens later. 808 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,285 And she really trusts him. 809 00:41:35,661 --> 00:41:37,621 That scene was actually written a little bit longer, 810 00:41:37,705 --> 00:41:40,666 - and we tried it a few different ways, too. - Mmm-hmm. 811 00:41:40,749 --> 00:41:43,836 It just ends up, you know, me sort of mugging. 812 00:41:43,919 --> 00:41:45,546 And he's saying a bunch of stuff. 813 00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:50,009 What's going on with that neck? I love the corset and jeans look, though. 814 00:41:50,092 --> 00:41:51,927 - It's very rock and roll. - Yeah. 815 00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:56,182 Yeah, we stuck with that for a good part of the season. 816 00:42:00,269 --> 00:42:02,646 And this is the moment of truth, here. 817 00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:06,817 You know, can Katrina follow through on her promise and kill Moloch? 818 00:42:10,112 --> 00:42:11,322 Uh-oh. 819 00:42:11,405 --> 00:42:13,199 He's a demon. 820 00:42:13,699 --> 00:42:16,243 Oy. That just looks amazing. 821 00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:18,871 - The set's so beautiful. - Yeah. 822 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:21,707 With the blue on the walls, the red hair, 823 00:42:21,790 --> 00:42:23,667 and visually, it's really stunning. 824 00:42:26,545 --> 00:42:27,796 Yeah, we did... 825 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,841 We went through a decent amount of casting, too, for this. 826 00:42:33,802 --> 00:42:37,973 Even though it's one image of boy Moloch. 827 00:42:38,224 --> 00:42:41,310 We wanted to find just the right look for this kid. 828 00:42:42,645 --> 00:42:45,272 I thought shot really effectively, where you just get glimpses 829 00:42:45,356 --> 00:42:48,567 and then finally there he is, wearing Henry's clothes. 830 00:42:48,651 --> 00:42:49,860 I'm hungry, Mother. 831 00:42:55,658 --> 00:42:57,201 Yeah, well, it definitely paid off. 832 00:42:57,826 --> 00:43:00,162 He looks just like her. 833 00:43:05,709 --> 00:43:09,505 - That is it."Mama," Episode 209. - Whoo! 834 00:43:11,173 --> 00:43:12,675 It's cool. 835 00:43:12,758 --> 00:43:15,928 Thanks so much for watching, joining us. 836 00:43:16,011 --> 00:43:18,305 - And thank you, Nicole. - Yes, thank you. 837 00:43:18,389 --> 00:43:19,932 - Oh, my goodness. Thank you, Mark. - It was really fun. 838 00:43:20,015 --> 00:43:23,227 Thank you for writing that. It was so much fun to do. 839 00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:24,895 - Credit Damian. - Till next time. 840 00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:27,147 - Yeah. 841 00:43:27,231 --> 00:43:28,857 Until next time.