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Hi. My name is Mark Goffman.
I'm executive producer, showrunner
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for Sleepy Hollow,
and this is Episode 209, "Mama."
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Hi, this is Nicole Beharie. I play Abbie Mills.
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Mama?
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When skies are gray
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This first section we actually shot
for another episode initially,
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with a different actress.
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- Do you remember that?
- Yeah, this was...
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We shot something for
Episode 207 or something like that.
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This was actually
in the premiere.
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That was part of the very first episode.
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But we found it as just a really good way
to start this episode
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and to get us into the whole story
about Abbie and her mother.
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- Well, there you go.
- Yeah.
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And it just happened
that my 4-year-old son at the time
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was learning You Are My Sunshine.
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So, we ended up using that song.
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The cool thing about this is
Tom is playing sick,
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but actually, in real time,
he had a little bit of a burnout.
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- He got sick in real life.
- Yeah.
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And it was kind of fun to have
a little parallel situation going on
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in both of our lives with this episode.
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- Yeah.
- He got a little break.
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He did. Well, we didn't.
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We had about two days
to rewrite the episode.
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Yeah, we had to keep working.
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- But...
- Exactly.
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But he got a little break.
He got to go back home.
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I remember
calling you and saying,
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"Yeah, we're gonna have to lean on you
a little heavier in this one."
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Oh, it was fine. It was fun.
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He's very, very funny in this one.
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And she's singing this song
she used to sing
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to Jenny and me when we were kids.
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I've actually caught
bits and pieces of the episodes.
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This is my first time
watching the whole thing.
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Oh, wow.
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Moloch sent his emissaries
to torment her...
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Well,
I think it turned out really well.
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I'll be the judge of that.
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Well, I thought
your performance was fantastic.
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We'll see how this goes.
We got the cell phone in the back pocket.
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Oh, that's why it's there.
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Bam! 'Cause it's about to ring.
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- Yep.
- It's like, "Why is my cell phone there?"
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There we go.
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I'll come with you.
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- Aw, how adorable.
Mmm-hmm.
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He's insisting to come, but you know better.
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It's quiet time now.
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Look at that.
This is the most gorgeous set, really.
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It's one of my favorite rooms to work in.
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Yeah, it was one of the first ones
that Alec Hammond put together
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when we moved to Wilmington
after doing the pilot.
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And it's just been such a home base.
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This is one of my favorite
actresses on this show, Sakina Jaffrey.
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- Also on House of Cards.
- Yeah, she's terrific.
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I thought this was nice,
the way it's sort of an opening
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for a different relationship
between the two of you guys.
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Considering where we'd started the season.
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That she killed herself in that hospital.
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Absolutely.
And she has a lot of mystery.
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She knows a great deal about
the character, Abbie.
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Abbie's not even aware of.
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...you wouldn't have given
me a moment's peace.
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She's very grounded.
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And she's my height,
so I don't have to look up.
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That's always very nice.
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I appreciate that.
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It's really fun watching
the two of you together.
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- Then back to Tarrytown Psychiatric.
- Abbie and Jenny. Yay.
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Like you said, nobody knows
Tarrytown Psych better than me.
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Tarrytown is where
Jenny's been living for a while.
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I need that kind of insight.
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Look, just be careful exactly
what you're looking for.
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This place is full of so much pain.
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What were your first thoughts
about this episode,
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and going back to Tarrytown Psychiatric
and digging into the story
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of Abbie's mother's suicide?
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Hello there.
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I mean, I was excited about it.
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I didn't know necessarily...
Being on the television show,
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we don't necessarily know
what the plans are with the writers.
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So, I learned just as much
about my character
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as, I think, maybe the audience did.
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It's fascinating to me
the way you guys just developed
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not only this character over here,
this woman, very scary lady,
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but also Abbie's mother
coming into the mix.
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It all made a lot of sense.
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But yeah, we had very little time to prepare
for this, 'cause you sort of wrote it...
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- Yeah.
- ...and then we did it
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within a few days.
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So, there wasn't a lot
of time to consider how I felt about it.
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Yeah,
it went through a couple iterations.
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Damian Kindler is the author of the episode,
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and we had to do a fairly substantial rewrite
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when we needed to write Tom out,
or Crane out, of a lot of it, to adjust.
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But that's the way production goes.
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He'd found God.
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Organized the hospital prayer group.
Just doesn't track for me.
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None of these suicides seem motivated.
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This is one of
the stiller episodes as well.
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As far as the cinematography,
it's very grounded. I'm digging it.
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Yeah,
it has a very deliberate pacing.
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And I think it's one of...
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To me, it was one of
the scariest episodes we did all season.
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Oh! We had the weeping lady,
though, right?
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Yeah.
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I really liked that one.
I loved that monster.
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- Oh, yeah.
- I liked that one.
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But this one just had,
I don't know, there's a creep factor.
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Look at Orlando
trying to be nasty.
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Yeah, 'cause it's actually doing
the, sort of, thriller thing.
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You know, it's slowly building.
We generally come in with a wallop.
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We're gonna get you out of here.
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We'll find a way to undo
whatever Henry did to your soul.
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Lyndie is one of the funniest,
bubbliest, naughtiest girls in this show.
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She has the most
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aggressive stance constantly.
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I'm like, "Look at that grimace."
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It's so funny, 'cause she's not like that at all.
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Good work.
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Man, there was nowhere we could go
in here without being watched.
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I can't imagine what it was like for you.
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You learn to deal with the abuse...
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This set that we were working on
was actually very creepy, though.
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And it had been there for a while as well.
I think there were plans to use it, right?
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- Some of it.
- Yeah, that's right.
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Or maybe you guys had used it
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for scenes that Lyndie had shot,
I'm assuming.
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Yeah. We had actually built
most of it for this episode, really gearing up.
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But then we had plans for...
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Since Irving's character was
in the Tarrytown Psychiatric at one point,
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we were talking about
an episode really featuring him.
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And so, we had built out
a decent amount of Tarrytown Psychiatric.
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And we needed it for this episode 'cause
there are so many different elements.
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We needed the old area to show
the flashbacks like this.
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We needed the newer area
where Jenny was.
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So, you know, we were really lucky.
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And we have an amazing
production designer and production team
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that just put together a very cool set.
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This case is not going to change
what happened to Mom.
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I met the young ladies
that played young Abbie and Jenny,
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and they were so good.
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I can't remember their names
off the top of my head.
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I never got to work with them.
But they were really lovely. Super excited.
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One of my favorite things about this episode
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was actually working with Aunjanue Ellis...
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Oh, yeah.
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...who played Mama Mills.
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...but now knowing
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what she was facing...
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One of the challenges
with the girls is
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we cast them when they were 12.
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And that is a real period of growth.
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So we were concerned
over the course of the season
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that they were going to end up
looking completely different.
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Mmm-hmm.
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Yeah, okay.
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Found it.
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Well, these are different girls
from the initial episodes.
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- Yeah, these are different actresses.
- Mmm-hmm.
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Oh, now, that's a bit dark.
Come on, Sleepy Hollow.
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- Come on.
- We had to do it.
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That's what's different
about this episode, I think.
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- Yeah.
- You actually say there's, like, danger.
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It's endangering other people.
Not just the team, you know?
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Yeah. And, I mean,
the subject matter is dealing with suicide.
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Whether it's forced by demons or not.
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Back from the grave.
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- Ah!
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- Uh-oh! Don't we just love that?
- Yeah.
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I remember
the first time I heard this.
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- I think Damian played it for me.
Mmm-hmm? Oh, wow.
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- It's really beautiful.
- Yeah, it is.
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Brian Tyler and Robert,
they really did a fantastic job with it.
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Our titles credits were just...
They're always moving.
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I always get excited when I hear it.
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Are you certain it was her?
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Jenny took the video to be
analyzed by an imaging expert.
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Matt Barr.
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It's definitely Mom.
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This is the first episode
I wore a middle part in my hair.
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- Really? Wow.
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Completely frivolous information.
Yeah.
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- Was that your doing?
- Yeah, we had a new hair stylist.
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- I think we had some issues with humidity.
- Oh, okay. Okay.
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And she was like,
"What if we do a center part?"
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Well, those medications are for delusions.
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So now Tom and I are sort of
wearing the same look.
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Got it.
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This was shot in September of last year.
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September in North Carolina
is still hot as hell.
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I was just a kid.
At the time, she seemed crazy.
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Mama, we're home.
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She wasn't full-time
at the hospital yet,
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just getting treatment as an outpatient.
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- Don't forget to lock that door.
- Okay.
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But you never knew
what version of her you would get.
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You lock the door?
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Yeah, this was also
a great location they found for this house.
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You took the bus. No buses!
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It's so creepy.
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Just the route I showed you
right through town, you hear?
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We just wanted to talk to some friends.
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Aunjanue, don't yell at them.
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They may even be your so-called friends.
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These demons have no mercy.
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The thing I like about this story
is that they have a lot of...
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Jenny and Abbie, in their adult lives,
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have a lot of resentment
towards each other.
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Mmm-hmm.
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And totally different stories
about who their mother was.
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And this sort of helps to clarify...
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Yeah, they had completely
different experiences with the mother.
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How was working with Wendey Stanzler,
the director of this episode?
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Oh, she was lovely,
she was lovely. She was very patient.
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Yeah, it was during a time of the year
where everyone was falling ill.
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We were all getting really sick.
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And she was just really patient
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and let us find things
within the confines of television.
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You know?
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...demons tormented her
into taking her own life...
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That little steam box
that he was using was real.
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So, there were a few takes
that, like, burnt poor Tom's face.
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We had to...
We had to keep cutting
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'cause it was just supposed to be
a fake foam-steam thing happening.
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And it was kind of, like,
actually producing heat.
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Well, that's Sleepy Hollow.
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The doctor has arrived.
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As ordered...
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Matt Barr.
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...maps and books from your cabin,
plus a little dose of cure from...
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- Very handsome levity.
- Mmm-hmm.
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You called Hawley for help.
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Yeah, at this point, your
relationship with him was still evolving.
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Yeah.
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The relationship between Crane
and Hawley was always very interesting.
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'Cause, you know, Crane has always been
surrounded by all these women.
242
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So it's sort of easy for him to be
the masculine guiding force.
243
00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,416
With the introduction of Hawley, it's fun
to see him go toe-to-toe with another guy,
244
00:12:28,499 --> 00:12:31,293
- who knows just as much as he does.
- Yeah.
245
00:12:32,461 --> 00:12:36,090
Exactly. Someone who's got
his own expertise
246
00:12:36,173 --> 00:12:39,009
and is more versed in the modern world.
247
00:12:39,844 --> 00:12:41,178
...somewhat comforting.
248
00:12:42,138 --> 00:12:45,724
Of course, bringing
matzo ball soup is a Damian Kindler idea.
249
00:12:46,684 --> 00:12:50,646
And Matt Barr,
the actor that played Hawley,
250
00:12:50,729 --> 00:12:52,523
was also a delight to work with.
251
00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:55,943
- Oh, that's great.
- Really was. Really was.
252
00:12:56,026 --> 00:12:57,695
We'd have a lot of little moments on set.
253
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Little moments that didn't quite
make it to the cut.
254
00:12:59,905 --> 00:13:01,574
But even if you see
with the matzo ball soup,
255
00:13:01,657 --> 00:13:03,617
we had a little look towards one another,
256
00:13:03,701 --> 00:13:05,870
and there was a lot of that,
it's very good stuff.
257
00:13:05,953 --> 00:13:08,539
He may have conjured her
to prey upon our resolve.
258
00:13:08,831 --> 00:13:11,041
Yeah, he was up for anything.
It was really fun.
259
00:13:11,125 --> 00:13:13,502
Well, it was no easy assignment
she took on.
260
00:13:13,711 --> 00:13:16,213
Assassinating a newly-born demon
of the Apocalypse.
261
00:13:16,297 --> 00:13:17,465
I just meant that
we haven't heard from her.
262
00:13:17,548 --> 00:13:19,258
What do you suggest, Lieutenant?
That we seek her out?
263
00:13:19,341 --> 00:13:20,885
Expose her as a spy to our enemies?
264
00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:25,639
Crane is getting so testy. Testy.
265
00:13:27,266 --> 00:13:28,642
He'll be fine after he sleeps.
266
00:13:28,726 --> 00:13:30,603
I'm coming with you back to Tarrytown.
267
00:13:31,228 --> 00:13:33,814
That's what happens when
you're a little under the weather, right?
268
00:13:33,898 --> 00:13:37,109
Look, I heard about
what you found on that video.
269
00:13:38,194 --> 00:13:39,403
I got to get back.
270
00:13:39,487 --> 00:13:41,822
Yeah, I'm just...
You know, with Mr. Woodhouse here
271
00:13:41,947 --> 00:13:44,408
- down for a round, I thought...
- Mr. Woodhouse?
272
00:13:44,742 --> 00:13:46,577
I didn't realize you were a Jane Austen fan.
273
00:13:46,702 --> 00:13:48,370
Nor would I have
pegged you for one, either.
274
00:13:48,746 --> 00:13:51,415
I'm just saying, I'm...
You know, I'm happy to chip in.
275
00:13:51,707 --> 00:13:53,209
- This show is cracking me up.
- Yes.
276
00:13:53,292 --> 00:13:56,754
You have time for Jane Austen
references in the midst of...
277
00:13:57,588 --> 00:13:58,964
- Yep.
- You guys are amazing.
278
00:14:00,549 --> 00:14:03,469
I just... I thought it would be
a fun, outside-the-box reference
279
00:14:03,552 --> 00:14:06,430
for both characters, you know.
280
00:14:06,805 --> 00:14:09,892
- Right. I like it.
- Oh, good.
281
00:14:09,975 --> 00:14:12,937
And we needed to get a little bit
of time for Crane to fall asleep there.
282
00:14:13,687 --> 00:14:16,607
For that soup to wear... Have its effect.
283
00:14:21,737 --> 00:14:24,406
"A little more than kin,
and less than kind."
284
00:14:24,490 --> 00:14:25,491
Ugh!
285
00:14:25,574 --> 00:14:27,618
The words of a son longing for...
286
00:14:27,701 --> 00:14:28,702
Little demon baby.
287
00:14:28,786 --> 00:14:31,622
- Oh, these two just creep me out.
- Yeah.
288
00:14:33,457 --> 00:14:35,626
Oh, John Noble.
289
00:14:35,709 --> 00:14:38,879
You got to work with him
quite a bit this season.
290
00:14:38,963 --> 00:14:40,923
Mmm-hmm.
Yeah, towards the end of the season.
291
00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:43,467
Quite a bit of fighting.
292
00:14:43,926 --> 00:14:44,969
Katia as well.
293
00:14:45,928 --> 00:14:48,556
The presence of a needy child upsets you?
294
00:14:49,765 --> 00:14:51,350
My, how telling.
295
00:14:52,017 --> 00:14:53,811
That is not what I meant. I...
296
00:14:54,061 --> 00:14:57,231
The storyline between these two
and Abbie and Crane really picks up
297
00:14:57,314 --> 00:14:58,857
towards the end of the season.
298
00:14:58,941 --> 00:15:01,944
Here, it's kind of on sort of a slow burn.
299
00:15:02,152 --> 00:15:04,196
I wish only great things.
300
00:15:05,155 --> 00:15:06,282
Come.
301
00:15:07,116 --> 00:15:10,703
I love the magic,
that he has this ability to make her see
302
00:15:10,786 --> 00:15:12,329
what she wants to see.
303
00:15:12,413 --> 00:15:13,414
Yeah.
304
00:15:13,497 --> 00:15:16,792
It's such a wonderful,
devilish gift to give him.
305
00:15:18,669 --> 00:15:21,046
Yeah, well,
it's really supposed to reflect
306
00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:23,966
the idea that she has
so much guilt over her son,
307
00:15:24,049 --> 00:15:25,593
and there, now she's looking at
308
00:15:26,844 --> 00:15:28,095
what should be Moloch,
309
00:15:28,178 --> 00:15:32,057
and yet it appears to her as the son
she never was able to take care of,
310
00:15:32,308 --> 00:15:33,559
- that she had to give up.
- Mmm.
311
00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:40,899
Where'd you find
the creepy baby, though?
312
00:15:40,983 --> 00:15:42,610
It's such a creepy-looking baby.
313
00:15:44,278 --> 00:15:45,696
- Is that mean to say?
- Hey, that's...
314
00:15:46,363 --> 00:15:49,908
- Yeah, now, it's creepy-looking.
- Ahhh! There we go.
315
00:16:03,922 --> 00:16:04,965
Aw...
316
00:16:05,049 --> 00:16:07,134
But, again, those sets are just...
317
00:16:07,217 --> 00:16:10,471
That was the Fredericks Manor set.
So creepy.
318
00:16:10,554 --> 00:16:12,139
We spent a lot of time there this season.
319
00:16:12,222 --> 00:16:14,683
...possess the maternal instinct after all.
320
00:16:16,727 --> 00:16:19,647
You know, Wendey, I think
she did a really lovely job with this scene.
321
00:16:19,730 --> 00:16:22,691
It's just, like, the stillness allows you to feel
322
00:16:22,775 --> 00:16:24,318
that there's so much going on.
323
00:16:25,319 --> 00:16:27,154
I mean, we are staking out a killer ghost.
324
00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:28,572
Who also happens to be our mother.
325
00:16:28,697 --> 00:16:30,658
We need to stop her from hurting
other people, maybe help her.
326
00:16:30,783 --> 00:16:32,493
This place turned her into a monster.
327
00:16:32,576 --> 00:16:34,703
We need to send her back
before she kills anyone else.
328
00:16:34,787 --> 00:16:37,164
We don't know the full story.
That's why we're here.
329
00:16:37,373 --> 00:16:39,583
I just want to put her to rest.
330
00:16:39,792 --> 00:16:42,211
Look, guys, they're not
mutually exclusive, okay?
331
00:16:42,711 --> 00:16:45,923
We can stop her
and maybe help her find some peace.
332
00:16:49,093 --> 00:16:51,720
Where are all the people
working at this place?
333
00:16:52,262 --> 00:16:54,390
They had to
clear out for you guys.
334
00:16:57,893 --> 00:17:02,731
And, you know, Tarrytown
Psychiatric is a bit of a magical place, so...
335
00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:10,489
- Walt, Walt.
- No!
336
00:17:11,615 --> 00:17:12,700
There you go.
337
00:17:12,783 --> 00:17:15,035
- No! I need to die!
- Hey, hey!
338
00:17:15,953 --> 00:17:17,579
Shh. There you go.
339
00:17:21,291 --> 00:17:23,210
Hey, it's okay. I got you.
340
00:17:26,213 --> 00:17:27,381
Yeah, it's pretty heavy.
341
00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:29,007
Yeah.
342
00:17:30,676 --> 00:17:31,760
Abbie?
343
00:17:34,638 --> 00:17:37,182
And it begins. Ahhh!
344
00:17:37,266 --> 00:17:38,600
Always getting yanked somewhere.
345
00:17:39,935 --> 00:17:41,395
- Poor Abbie.
- Yep.
346
00:17:42,479 --> 00:17:45,315
To the really scary part of Tarrytown.
347
00:17:46,275 --> 00:17:48,318
As if that wasn't scary enough.
348
00:17:50,654 --> 00:17:55,033
So, I forget, is this the flashback,
or is this like another dimension of it?
349
00:17:55,117 --> 00:17:56,618
This is just the haunted sector.
350
00:17:56,702 --> 00:17:59,079
Yeah, this is
the haunted section of...
351
00:17:59,163 --> 00:18:01,248
The part where it's closed down.
352
00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:05,961
But it's where her mom was kept.
353
00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:12,176
Yeah, that's probably in...
Yeah, that's definitely my worst nightmare.
354
00:18:13,635 --> 00:18:14,845
That's horrible.
355
00:18:16,054 --> 00:18:18,390
Was it scary for you to perform,
356
00:18:18,474 --> 00:18:20,851
and, like, do you,
when you were in this area...
357
00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:22,686
No.
358
00:18:22,770 --> 00:18:25,481
No, we're like...
Our trailers, it's like beautiful outside,
359
00:18:25,564 --> 00:18:29,026
and you got to come in here
and pretend that it's dark and scary.
360
00:18:29,109 --> 00:18:32,237
And then you're doing your stunts
over and over again, you know.
361
00:18:33,655 --> 00:18:37,117
I did really want to try
to get through those stunts.
362
00:18:37,201 --> 00:18:39,203
Yeah. You did all of those, right?
363
00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:43,624
Yeah.
They're not, like, massive, but...
364
00:18:44,208 --> 00:18:46,627
Still, you're thrown around.
365
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:48,796
And this hallway
was definitely very scary.
366
00:18:48,879 --> 00:18:50,130
I thought that there was someone here.
367
00:18:50,214 --> 00:18:52,257
Oh. I... I don't think so.
368
00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:54,718
It's this place. It can,
369
00:18:55,886 --> 00:18:57,805
well, do things to you.
370
00:18:58,514 --> 00:19:00,557
- Are you okay?
- Yes, thank you.
371
00:19:02,726 --> 00:19:05,145
You don't look okay.
372
00:19:05,229 --> 00:19:07,397
She loved to give hugs, that one.
373
00:19:08,941 --> 00:19:12,069
- I didn't know that.
374
00:19:13,403 --> 00:19:14,404
That's why we cast her.
375
00:19:14,571 --> 00:19:16,323
I'm gonna find my way out.
376
00:19:20,244 --> 00:19:21,370
Abbie?
377
00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:23,080
Oh.
378
00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:25,332
- I'll take the south wing.
- Okay, great, I'll take the east.
379
00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:27,084
Mills!
380
00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:32,589
You don't separate
once you go into the haunted...
381
00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:35,592
Yeah,
it's a pretty hard-and-fast rule.
382
00:19:36,552 --> 00:19:39,888
Oh... See,
I haven't seen this part. Oh, no.
383
00:19:41,306 --> 00:19:47,062
Yeah, I love the way that was shot,
with the Steadicam turned around.
384
00:19:48,021 --> 00:19:49,106
Jenny!
385
00:19:49,439 --> 00:19:50,774
Oh, Abbie. Thank God.
386
00:19:51,275 --> 00:19:52,484
- You okay?
- I'm fine.
387
00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:53,735
What happened?
388
00:19:55,112 --> 00:19:56,572
That's a weird little run
I did there.
389
00:19:56,655 --> 00:19:58,615
Can we please... Can we take it back?
390
00:19:58,699 --> 00:20:00,367
What was that?
391
00:20:01,785 --> 00:20:03,912
"TPRJLM12."
392
00:20:05,289 --> 00:20:09,167
And that's all a visual effect.
None of that was actually on the window.
393
00:20:09,251 --> 00:20:10,961
It's added in post.
394
00:20:11,545 --> 00:20:12,671
And now that I'm watching,
395
00:20:12,754 --> 00:20:15,173
I'm like,
we should have added a little element
396
00:20:15,257 --> 00:20:16,508
of feeling the cold.
397
00:20:16,592 --> 00:20:21,430
Since that's some sort of frost-spirit thing.
Like, "Oh, we missed that moment."
398
00:20:21,763 --> 00:20:23,432
I didn't think about that.
399
00:20:24,182 --> 00:20:25,559
Ugh!
400
00:20:26,393 --> 00:20:27,644
Again.
401
00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:39,656
And Katrina knows
what she's supposed to do here.
402
00:20:40,532 --> 00:20:42,951
But she just can't bring herself.
403
00:20:45,996 --> 00:20:50,042
Ugh. That was another, that was a doll,
that baby Moloch doll,
404
00:20:50,125 --> 00:20:52,544
- that was creepy.
- Mmm-hmm.
405
00:20:52,628 --> 00:20:54,630
The puppet, yeah.
406
00:20:54,713 --> 00:20:55,756
Yeah, the puppet.
407
00:20:58,342 --> 00:21:01,178
Yeah, the whole team,
the prop and, like,
408
00:21:01,803 --> 00:21:04,389
special effects team is really spectacular
on this show.
409
00:21:04,473 --> 00:21:09,227
They have very little time,
and what they're able to do, you know...
410
00:21:09,311 --> 00:21:10,562
- Oh, it's amazing.
- It's amazing.
411
00:21:11,647 --> 00:21:15,651
They really take care of us
and fill out the rest of this world.
412
00:21:16,526 --> 00:21:20,113
Yeah. We have creature
meetings about every two or three weeks,
413
00:21:20,197 --> 00:21:24,534
and Corey will give us these
updates and show sketches. Yeah.
414
00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:27,120
That I did not know.
415
00:21:27,621 --> 00:21:29,289
Yeah. But the hair and make-up trailer's
416
00:21:29,373 --> 00:21:33,460
always filled with, like, some random guy
covered in jelly or goo or...
417
00:21:34,211 --> 00:21:35,337
Whatever.
418
00:21:35,545 --> 00:21:37,130
Especially after the note she left.
419
00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:40,300
This note?
420
00:21:43,553 --> 00:21:44,972
It says, "I fought."
421
00:21:47,099 --> 00:21:49,184
I mean, I don't know,
is that how you remember it, Abbie?
422
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:55,816
Lyndie was so, like,
open and, you know, vulnerable
423
00:21:55,899 --> 00:21:57,901
during this section.
424
00:21:57,985 --> 00:22:01,655
It made it very easy
to work through these scenes very quickly.
425
00:22:01,738 --> 00:22:03,824
...can help us understand it all more.
426
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:09,329
I don't know, but we do this together,
427
00:22:10,247 --> 00:22:11,790
like we used to when things got bad.
428
00:22:14,292 --> 00:22:16,837
- A fist bump. Yeah.
- Yeah.
429
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,548
- Head bump.
- Or a head bump.
430
00:22:19,631 --> 00:22:21,675
- Okay.
- I don't think that was scripted.
431
00:22:26,888 --> 00:22:30,142
I couldn't imagine actually
looking at that kind of videotape
432
00:22:30,225 --> 00:22:31,768
of a family member.
433
00:22:32,436 --> 00:22:34,604
What you guys wrote is pretty tough.
434
00:22:36,106 --> 00:22:38,442
They... They followed me here.
435
00:22:39,234 --> 00:22:42,112
Yeah.
Well, it was effective, I think, again,
436
00:22:42,195 --> 00:22:44,865
because the two of you
could do it together.
437
00:22:44,948 --> 00:22:47,534
It would be incredibly hard
for one person to do.
438
00:22:47,617 --> 00:22:50,078
- But really, it's just...
- I could do it, get out of here.
439
00:22:50,162 --> 00:22:52,289
- Oh, you could, of course.
440
00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,041
- I'm just...
- Most mortals, though.
441
00:22:54,166 --> 00:22:55,792
She wants me to do it.
442
00:22:56,793 --> 00:22:58,170
Who wants you to do it?
443
00:22:58,503 --> 00:22:59,838
Nurse.
444
00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:02,966
The nurse. Lambert.
445
00:23:03,592 --> 00:23:05,719
- Lambert?
- She's right about me.
446
00:23:08,847 --> 00:23:09,973
I need to do it.
447
00:23:10,057 --> 00:23:12,184
The nurse we saw this morning
was named Lambert.
448
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:13,810
I need to end my pain.
449
00:23:13,894 --> 00:23:16,271
She was with Walt before
he tried to kill himself.
450
00:23:17,314 --> 00:23:21,026
I wish everyone could see
her video was so scary.
451
00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:22,277
She's a delusion...
452
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,237
And they had to cut...
Oh, there it is.
453
00:23:24,321 --> 00:23:25,322
Ugh.
454
00:23:25,447 --> 00:23:26,740
She's real!
455
00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:29,284
Mama isn't behind those deaths.
456
00:23:29,785 --> 00:23:31,536
Oh, Frank.
457
00:23:31,620 --> 00:23:35,540
Yeah, we decided to intercut
this whole section so that we can see...
458
00:23:35,624 --> 00:23:36,666
Oh, it's great.
459
00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:40,504
...exactly, you know, the effect of
this nurse still around
460
00:23:40,587 --> 00:23:45,342
as you guys are watching here,
and then she's still plotting her next step.
461
00:23:46,927 --> 00:23:48,178
She knows Irving.
462
00:23:48,512 --> 00:23:53,892
There was a song that initially
was a part of the script or the story
463
00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:55,852
that I don't think is a part of it anymore,
464
00:23:55,936 --> 00:24:00,649
but there's a gospel song
that you guys asked me to learn.
465
00:24:00,732 --> 00:24:02,651
- What was it... Go Where I Send Thee?
- Yeah.
466
00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:04,736
- I think it was called at the time.
- Yeah, exactly.
467
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:07,114
And, you know,
we didn't end up using it.
468
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,034
Funnily enough, Aunjanue knew the song,
and I mentioned it to her,
469
00:24:11,118 --> 00:24:13,870
so then I just had
like an instant connection.
470
00:24:13,954 --> 00:24:17,374
Sometimes it's just little things
that make you feel like, you know...
471
00:24:18,125 --> 00:24:19,793
- Mmm-hmm.
- It's a very old song.
472
00:24:24,881 --> 00:24:27,717
Yeah, that was
the initial song that we had...
473
00:24:28,218 --> 00:24:31,221
The idea was,
in that opening dream sequence,
474
00:24:31,304 --> 00:24:36,393
we were gonna play Go Where I Send Thee
and it would help sort of just guide
475
00:24:36,476 --> 00:24:38,895
the scene through, but we...
476
00:24:39,312 --> 00:24:43,316
You Are My Sunshine just seemed
like a more effective song, so...
477
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,987
This part...
This actually, this scene, we ended up...
478
00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:51,324
There was a much longer take of it
in the first cut.
479
00:24:51,408 --> 00:24:54,161
- Oh, God, no.
- And yeah, we had to cut it way down.
480
00:24:54,244 --> 00:24:58,081
'Cause it became
just way too scary for everybody
481
00:24:58,456 --> 00:24:59,499
and hard to watch.
482
00:25:00,876 --> 00:25:03,795
Very hard to watch.
We love Orlando.
483
00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:06,298
Get out! I need to die!
484
00:25:06,423 --> 00:25:07,757
Oh, God!
485
00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:13,889
I remember, when we were
in that room, we really felt like a team.
486
00:25:13,972 --> 00:25:16,766
'Cause he was not, like, you know,
hopping out of the water.
487
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:21,730
We all had to run in,
and we're waiting in the wings to come in,
488
00:25:21,813 --> 00:25:23,023
there was water all over the floor,
489
00:25:23,106 --> 00:25:26,276
so we really had to, like,
navigate and stay up
490
00:25:27,611 --> 00:25:29,070
without falling over.
491
00:25:29,613 --> 00:25:31,573
But we felt like a team,
we had to really work together
492
00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:33,325
to sort of get him out of the water.
493
00:25:33,408 --> 00:25:35,243
Oh, that's great.
494
00:25:35,702 --> 00:25:37,370
Yeah, it was fantastic.
495
00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:41,541
It was really, really a treat
to be working with Matt and Lyndie.
496
00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:43,501
How are you feeling, Captain?
497
00:25:45,921 --> 00:25:47,214
I've been better.
498
00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:51,051
Well,
especially having Irving there,
499
00:25:51,134 --> 00:25:55,180
just seeing the four of you guys
together on screen felt like a team.
500
00:25:55,263 --> 00:25:58,892
Then everything she started telling me
about taking my own life,
501
00:25:58,975 --> 00:26:00,268
it just made sense.
502
00:26:00,894 --> 00:26:03,480
And suicide seemed like
the only thing to do.
503
00:26:04,439 --> 00:26:06,191
The tox report shows that
504
00:26:06,274 --> 00:26:08,777
you were under the influence
of psychotropic drugs.
505
00:26:09,527 --> 00:26:11,738
Opened your mind to suggestion.
506
00:26:12,239 --> 00:26:14,449
Especially with demonic influence.
507
00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:15,992
Demonic?
508
00:26:17,202 --> 00:26:18,828
- Who is she?
- I don't know yet.
509
00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:21,873
I've got to figure that out,
but she's someone we're gonna stop.
510
00:26:23,792 --> 00:26:25,043
I want to help.
511
00:26:26,211 --> 00:26:27,921
But they're gonna think I'm a suicide risk...
512
00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:29,422
I remember one thing.
513
00:26:29,506 --> 00:26:31,383
The Twittersphere went crazy
514
00:26:31,466 --> 00:26:35,720
about Orlando potentially hurting himself
during this night.
515
00:26:35,804 --> 00:26:37,722
I think we were working
when it was on the air,
516
00:26:37,806 --> 00:26:39,140
but I remember that.
517
00:26:39,224 --> 00:26:41,268
People went pretty crazy
about this episode,
518
00:26:41,351 --> 00:26:44,187
especially when he did what he did.
519
00:26:47,691 --> 00:26:48,775
Yeah.
We knew it was gonna come to
520
00:26:48,858 --> 00:26:50,860
a good place at the end of the episode,
521
00:26:50,944 --> 00:26:55,031
but it was still one of those things,
that during, is hard to...
522
00:26:55,865 --> 00:26:57,200
Hard to justify.
523
00:26:58,326 --> 00:27:01,204
And you've created so many
complicated relationships
524
00:27:01,705 --> 00:27:03,665
with Orlando's family.
525
00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:09,379
First with his daughter being,
what was it, possessed last year?
526
00:27:09,504 --> 00:27:12,632
And now this is the first time
you actually see him in harm's way,
527
00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:15,468
you know, and so vulnerable with Abbie.
528
00:27:15,552 --> 00:27:17,470
- I thought that was really special.
- Yeah.
529
00:27:17,554 --> 00:27:21,141
And it was a great setup for
where we go by the end of this season.
530
00:27:21,224 --> 00:27:24,060
I think this is Mom trying to stop
this demon from killing other people.
531
00:27:24,227 --> 00:27:26,021
Her final note said, "I fought."
532
00:27:26,229 --> 00:27:27,647
What if this is her, still fighting?
533
00:27:27,731 --> 00:27:29,357
Well, we were trying to
foreshadow what happens
534
00:27:29,441 --> 00:27:31,318
in the middle of the season.
535
00:27:31,401 --> 00:27:34,988
And then the idea is when he came back
after he was resurrected,
536
00:27:35,071 --> 00:27:38,199
that he really had, like,
a full new lease on life
537
00:27:38,283 --> 00:27:41,119
and he was untethered in a way
that he wasn't before.
538
00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:44,331
He could really shed the skin
of being the police captain
539
00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:45,707
and become his own man.
540
00:27:46,124 --> 00:27:48,585
So by the end of the season,
we really set up
541
00:27:48,668 --> 00:27:51,338
that now he's ready, you know,
542
00:27:51,421 --> 00:27:55,550
to be free and find himself as a hero.
543
00:27:56,092 --> 00:27:57,344
Jenny.
544
00:27:58,595 --> 00:28:00,722
But it was a long, painful journey for him.
545
00:28:00,805 --> 00:28:04,642
He was under Moloch's
546
00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:08,855
and then Henry's possession
for most of the season.
547
00:28:08,938 --> 00:28:13,234
I love this concept
in this particular scene
548
00:28:14,235 --> 00:28:16,696
that while she was locked up,
549
00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:21,409
she was somewhat of an artist.
We actually had to do this.
550
00:28:22,202 --> 00:28:25,955
Like, days later, we all had blisters
on our hands and all that stuff.
551
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:28,500
It was actually a lot of fun
ripping that down.
552
00:28:28,583 --> 00:28:29,918
- Oh, cool.
- But the undertone
553
00:28:30,001 --> 00:28:33,254
that like, you know,
"Mom was an artist" kind of thing...
554
00:28:33,338 --> 00:28:34,839
Like a, you know...
555
00:28:35,965 --> 00:28:39,928
She had the ability to express herself,
but just in a very strange way.
556
00:28:40,011 --> 00:28:41,805
I don't know if you guys
thought of it that way,
557
00:28:41,888 --> 00:28:43,223
but that's what I did.
558
00:28:43,306 --> 00:28:46,393
No, we did, and we called it
the Beautiful Mind sequence
559
00:28:46,476 --> 00:28:48,895
of just filling the entire wall.
560
00:28:55,693 --> 00:28:56,694
Poor Matt, he was like,
561
00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:59,531
"What the hell am I doing here?
This is really awkward."
562
00:29:05,036 --> 00:29:06,121
That song.
563
00:29:06,204 --> 00:29:09,666
And so that was
an homage to your little one, huh?
564
00:29:10,375 --> 00:29:12,419
You Are My Sunshine,
she was just learning it.
565
00:29:12,502 --> 00:29:16,423
Yeah. I try to... Every once
in a while, we put those elements in.
566
00:29:16,506 --> 00:29:18,091
You know, you want to find
something personal
567
00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:20,969
- that you relate to in every episode.
- Absolutely.
568
00:29:21,052 --> 00:29:23,513
And it helps keep it
emotional for us,
569
00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:25,932
and hopefully then
you guys can find it better, too.
570
00:29:26,015 --> 00:29:27,267
Do you like it, Mama?
571
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:28,726
You'll never know, dear
572
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,437
How much I love you
573
00:29:31,729 --> 00:29:33,106
It's beautiful, baby.
574
00:29:33,189 --> 00:29:35,191
Please don't take my sunshine away
575
00:29:35,733 --> 00:29:36,943
What's that smell?
576
00:29:37,026 --> 00:29:40,113
This flashback
was all 100% Damian's idea.
577
00:29:40,196 --> 00:29:42,031
He really wanted to show
578
00:29:42,115 --> 00:29:44,742
that Jenny had this
very different experience.
579
00:29:45,368 --> 00:29:46,536
Mmm-hmm.
580
00:29:47,162 --> 00:29:48,204
We gotta get out of here.
581
00:29:48,538 --> 00:29:49,539
We gotta get out of here.
582
00:29:50,081 --> 00:29:51,958
Yeah,
that kind of stuff I can't watch.
583
00:29:52,041 --> 00:29:54,752
I'm actually very sensitive
to that kind of stuff.
584
00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:57,881
You're not safe.
585
00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:10,852
I'll be damned.
586
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:12,562
Mama.
587
00:30:14,981 --> 00:30:16,483
We know about Lambert...
588
00:30:17,734 --> 00:30:21,196
Was this one of the earlier
scenes that you shot with Aunjanue?
589
00:30:21,905 --> 00:30:23,156
It's the only way to stop her.
590
00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:24,866
- Earlier?
- Yeah.
591
00:30:24,949 --> 00:30:28,286
I don't remember...
I can't remember the sequence necessarily.
592
00:30:29,287 --> 00:30:32,290
No, 'cause we only really had that...
We just had the two scenes.
593
00:30:32,373 --> 00:30:33,583
Yeah.
594
00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:36,336
It feels like more
because of all the flashbacks, right?
595
00:30:36,419 --> 00:30:38,880
There's the sense of her being there.
596
00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:41,549
Yeah, it really does,
'cause they're consistent throughout.
597
00:30:41,633 --> 00:30:45,386
But we only... I only got to work
with her twice during this and then the...
598
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:47,180
Right, and then the final scene.
599
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,015
- No!
- They're mine.
600
00:30:49,098 --> 00:30:50,517
No, no! No!
601
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,101
No, you have to get out of here!
602
00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:53,853
It's so frenetic.
603
00:30:55,438 --> 00:30:56,439
Yes, it is.
604
00:30:57,398 --> 00:30:58,983
Oy!
605
00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:01,986
Now, that was a mess.
606
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:05,198
They had me in like this strange
harness thing and pulled me out.
607
00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:07,992
I was thinking I was gonna be, like,
flying through the air.
608
00:31:08,076 --> 00:31:10,119
And it just looks like I tripped.
609
00:31:15,542 --> 00:31:18,628
So they put you in a harness
and then what, they pull you with a rope?
610
00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:20,088
- Is that how it works?
- Yeah.
611
00:31:20,171 --> 00:31:22,882
Yeah, we've done quite a bit of
harness work on this show.
612
00:31:23,424 --> 00:31:26,636
It's one of the more exciting things.
The fighting and the...
613
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:28,721
Some of the stunts.
614
00:31:28,805 --> 00:31:32,308
And there was this lovely mattress
waiting for me.
615
00:31:32,976 --> 00:31:33,977
Oy...
616
00:31:36,187 --> 00:31:37,730
Like mother, like daughter.
617
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:45,113
Abbie and that gun.
618
00:31:45,196 --> 00:31:47,699
She pulls out this gun for demons
all the time.
619
00:31:48,658 --> 00:31:50,368
You're a broken spirit,
620
00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:52,787
needing to be freed from this hellish life.
621
00:31:54,163 --> 00:31:55,331
Looks uncomfortable.
622
00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:58,001
Don't you want to know peace, too?
623
00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:03,006
Yeah. Well, as the season
goes on, at least Abbie figured out
624
00:32:03,089 --> 00:32:05,675
that there are special bullets
that you can use.
625
00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:08,595
You do not have
very nice manners, young lady.
626
00:32:13,891 --> 00:32:14,934
No!
627
00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:16,477
No! No!
628
00:32:16,561 --> 00:32:18,187
This is where they would've kept
Mama's stuff.
629
00:32:18,354 --> 00:32:19,814
It's the archive room for the old wing.
630
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,275
Mama's journal would be
with her personal effects.
631
00:32:25,111 --> 00:32:26,321
Yo, Jenny.
632
00:32:32,035 --> 00:32:35,204
You always manage to get
a nice mix of history in there.
633
00:32:35,288 --> 00:32:38,041
I was wondering how you were
gonna do it with this episode.
634
00:32:38,124 --> 00:32:41,461
'Cause it seemed like it was
just gonna be about, you know,
635
00:32:41,544 --> 00:32:43,796
from the mother's trauma
636
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,634
until the Mill sisters are fighting
in current times.
637
00:32:49,052 --> 00:32:52,221
Yeah, well, it gave us
this great opportunity to then,
638
00:32:52,305 --> 00:32:55,767
yeah, to bring up Grace
and really to find this journal,
639
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:58,227
which was the key to the episode.
640
00:32:58,436 --> 00:33:01,439
Because that then leads to
the next episode
641
00:33:01,522 --> 00:33:05,276
and the journey to find, you know,
the Sword of Methuselah
642
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,570
and then ultimately defeat Moloch with it.
643
00:33:08,071 --> 00:33:11,324
So, we thought that would be
a really powerful way to get there,
644
00:33:11,407 --> 00:33:13,826
is that Abbie's mother
had this journal all this time.
645
00:33:13,910 --> 00:33:16,496
No small wonder.
You have so much troubling you.
646
00:33:16,579 --> 00:33:18,414
Stay away from me!
647
00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,167
I love how tough Abbie is.
648
00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:23,002
Doesn't matter.
Strap her down, doesn't matter.
649
00:33:23,086 --> 00:33:24,921
Yeah. You're stuck.
650
00:33:25,338 --> 00:33:29,008
Strap me down. Still gonna fight.
651
00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:30,134
Don't leave me in here.
652
00:33:30,218 --> 00:33:32,679
Please don't leave me in here. Please!
653
00:33:33,179 --> 00:33:34,347
Let me out!
654
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:35,723
She resisted at first...
655
00:33:35,807 --> 00:33:38,226
Oh, that sucks. Oh...
656
00:33:39,018 --> 00:33:40,228
- Yeah.
- Terrible.
657
00:33:40,311 --> 00:33:43,648
Some of us aren't strong enough
to bear the burden.
658
00:33:43,773 --> 00:33:47,652
They need an angel of mercy
to help them cross over...
659
00:33:48,945 --> 00:33:53,741
And she was just so believable
doing that. Like, she just believed it.
660
00:33:54,575 --> 00:33:58,371
'Cause that... I feel like
that could come off really, you know...
661
00:33:58,454 --> 00:34:00,540
A little too on the nose.
662
00:34:01,541 --> 00:34:04,919
And she just delivered that
in the most amazing way.
663
00:34:05,002 --> 00:34:06,587
- Yeah.
- You believed her.
664
00:34:06,671 --> 00:34:08,881
We read
a number of people for the role
665
00:34:08,965 --> 00:34:11,092
and even looked at the costume for it.
666
00:34:11,175 --> 00:34:15,096
We put her in sort of a,
you know, a 1950s-era
667
00:34:15,847 --> 00:34:21,227
nurse outfit that just made it, like,
just a very sweet, but yet even creepier
668
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:22,395
because she seemed so innocent.
669
00:34:22,812 --> 00:34:23,813
So...
670
00:34:24,313 --> 00:34:27,608
So much more sadistic,
you guys are... Pearls.
671
00:34:27,692 --> 00:34:28,693
Yeah.
672
00:34:28,776 --> 00:34:30,403
- Pearls, of all things.
- Right.
673
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:32,905
We had a long debate
about the color of those pills.
674
00:34:32,989 --> 00:34:36,951
Yeah, I remember this.
Wendey loved this. She just loved this.
675
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,828
She was like, "Yeah!
676
00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:42,832
"You take your finger and then
you're gonna just make it. It's magic."
677
00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:46,085
She was so excited that it worked.
I was like, "Okay."
678
00:34:47,462 --> 00:34:49,922
It was fun to do. Lots of good play.
679
00:34:50,339 --> 00:34:52,508
Cool. It just looked really scary.
680
00:35:03,352 --> 00:35:06,731
This effect was another one
that was, you know, a big combination
681
00:35:06,814 --> 00:35:08,691
of both practical and VFX.
682
00:35:09,358 --> 00:35:13,362
So, I imagine for you guys
it's pretty difficult just to, you know...
683
00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:17,366
"Well, here's what is gonna happen
when we're finished in post.
684
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:19,744
"But right now, there's just some wind."
685
00:35:19,827 --> 00:35:21,078
Mmm-hmm.
686
00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:22,622
I'm not scared of you anymore!
687
00:35:26,042 --> 00:35:27,376
Yeah, when I was shooting it...
688
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:30,296
I think you can see, there's, like,
debris in my hair and stuff.
689
00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,882
They were actually throwing things at me.
690
00:35:34,133 --> 00:35:37,804
And there's, like, a fan, and so, you know...
691
00:35:38,387 --> 00:35:40,807
Now, that we didn't see coming.
692
00:35:44,185 --> 00:35:45,186
Ay, yai, yai.
693
00:35:48,731 --> 00:35:50,066
Incantations.
694
00:35:50,775 --> 00:35:53,194
Yeah, but what was cool
emotionally is that
695
00:35:53,277 --> 00:35:55,279
it didn't really get to finish the story
696
00:35:55,363 --> 00:35:57,907
between Abbie and her mother.
697
00:35:57,990 --> 00:36:00,743
She hasn't really gotten that closure yet.
698
00:36:01,619 --> 00:36:05,456
So, even though we've now killed Lambert,
699
00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:08,501
there's really, there's still
the emotional part to get through.
700
00:36:08,584 --> 00:36:10,336
- She fought for me.
Mmm-hmm.
701
00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:11,629
She fought for me.
702
00:36:15,049 --> 00:36:16,467
I never got to tell her thank you.
703
00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:20,388
Just wanted to see her one more time.
704
00:36:22,265 --> 00:36:24,600
This is giving me
a panic attack watching it.
705
00:36:27,103 --> 00:36:28,563
Jesus Christ.
706
00:36:32,441 --> 00:36:34,694
- Ah! The séance.
- It's beautiful, yeah.
707
00:36:35,111 --> 00:36:36,696
Thanks for bringing all of this, Crane.
708
00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:40,408
With the help from the sleeping aids
Mr. Hawley graciously...
709
00:36:40,491 --> 00:36:43,327
That is a pretty amazing mural
that they put on the wall.
710
00:36:43,411 --> 00:36:45,413
It is. It is.
711
00:36:45,496 --> 00:36:48,749
I wasn't expecting it
to be that nice, you know.
712
00:36:49,542 --> 00:36:53,129
Or detailed, 'cause after a while,
we took the whole thing down,
713
00:36:53,212 --> 00:36:58,551
and like you said, the art team
is just amazing on the show.
714
00:36:58,634 --> 00:37:01,971
Yeah, Natalie and Shannon,
I mean, it was so funny.
715
00:37:02,096 --> 00:37:06,601
Every time we'll write, like,
"Oh, there's a document from 1783."
716
00:37:06,684 --> 00:37:11,147
And Io and behold, they come up
with something that just is brilliant.
717
00:37:12,481 --> 00:37:16,193
Again, Lyndie and Matt Barr
in this scene, my goodness.
718
00:37:16,319 --> 00:37:20,698
They took it so seriously. I don't know
if she, like, did research or, you know...
719
00:37:20,781 --> 00:37:23,117
'Cause Abbie wasn't supposed to know
how to have a séance.
720
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,243
Right.
721
00:37:24,327 --> 00:37:27,538
But they were talking about
the process and how you put this up
722
00:37:27,622 --> 00:37:29,832
and what you're supposed to be doing.
723
00:37:29,916 --> 00:37:31,000
Yeah.
724
00:37:32,585 --> 00:37:33,669
We didn't end up doing most of it
725
00:37:33,753 --> 00:37:36,088
'cause we had to sort of get to the crux of it.
726
00:37:37,423 --> 00:37:40,676
But that energy was definitely in the space.
727
00:37:42,511 --> 00:37:46,891
Wow. So you get in the mindset,
and did you do research about séance,
728
00:37:46,974 --> 00:37:48,184
or just relied on...
729
00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:51,854
No, I mean, I think they did.
I think they did, yeah.
730
00:37:52,772 --> 00:37:53,856
Mama.
731
00:37:54,273 --> 00:37:57,985
Yeah. Or they've done them before,
you know, they were creepy.
732
00:37:58,361 --> 00:38:00,029
Look at what you grew up to be.
733
00:38:01,072 --> 00:38:03,032
You knew all along that I was a Witness?
734
00:38:03,866 --> 00:38:05,201
Yes.
735
00:38:05,534 --> 00:38:07,203
Oh, I hear violins.
736
00:38:07,787 --> 00:38:09,997
There are so many things
you don't get to choose, Abbie.
737
00:38:12,041 --> 00:38:13,292
In this scene, Nicole, really,
738
00:38:13,376 --> 00:38:15,294
I attribute you to coming up
739
00:38:15,628 --> 00:38:17,296
with a lot of what we ended up doing here,
740
00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:19,924
digging deeper and, you know,
741
00:38:20,007 --> 00:38:23,177
having Abbie ask some
really pointed questions about,
742
00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:25,137
you know, that her mom knew
she was a Witness.
743
00:38:25,221 --> 00:38:27,598
And what could that mean
and how can that help her.
744
00:38:28,265 --> 00:38:31,894
Thought that was... We had some really
great conversations about the script
745
00:38:31,978 --> 00:38:33,729
as we were going through it.
746
00:38:38,192 --> 00:38:40,569
Yeah. I had forgotten about that.
747
00:38:42,071 --> 00:38:43,239
Hold on!
748
00:38:45,533 --> 00:38:48,536
I'd never seen the literal demon
in the background before.
749
00:38:48,619 --> 00:38:51,288
- Yeah.
- That's pretty scary.
750
00:38:51,747 --> 00:38:53,124
Yeah, another effect from post.
751
00:38:53,207 --> 00:38:54,250
You saved us.
752
00:38:54,959 --> 00:38:56,002
I did.
753
00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:59,547
I would imagine
that's something that, for you guys,
754
00:38:59,630 --> 00:39:02,842
is pretty hard, or at least harder to do.
755
00:39:02,925 --> 00:39:03,926
I mean, we...
756
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:08,597
You know, we add so much in post
that you're acting to nothing,
757
00:39:08,681 --> 00:39:10,933
or, you know, the director just telling you,
758
00:39:11,017 --> 00:39:13,602
"There's gonna be a ghost over here,
in the left corner."
759
00:39:13,853 --> 00:39:14,854
Yeah.
760
00:39:15,563 --> 00:39:17,231
But that's just a part of it, you know.
761
00:39:17,314 --> 00:39:19,358
I think it's actually
something that we enjoy,
762
00:39:19,442 --> 00:39:21,694
to sort of be surprised.
Like now, taking it in.
763
00:39:22,653 --> 00:39:23,738
Yes.
764
00:39:23,821 --> 00:39:25,781
I have so many questions.
765
00:39:26,782 --> 00:39:28,659
Moloch may still be here on Earth.
766
00:39:28,826 --> 00:39:30,244
The journal.
767
00:39:30,578 --> 00:39:31,787
It keeps the secrets.
768
00:39:31,954 --> 00:39:33,581
There's a weapon hidden in its pages.
769
00:39:35,458 --> 00:39:36,625
You find it.
770
00:39:38,627 --> 00:39:40,212
You were meant to go
further than any of us.
771
00:39:40,296 --> 00:39:44,258
And we end up using that journal
quite a bit for the rest of the seasons.
772
00:39:46,969 --> 00:39:48,721
You don't deserve any of this.
773
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,433
How can we free you from this place?
774
00:39:53,142 --> 00:39:57,813
I felt like the journal did become
this link between Abbie and her past
775
00:39:57,897 --> 00:40:01,442
that we could always rely on to help
776
00:40:01,525 --> 00:40:03,402
find some of the emotion with both...
777
00:40:03,486 --> 00:40:06,572
It just represented
the struggle of her family,
778
00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:08,616
of her mother, her ancestors.
779
00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,993
They had all built and led to this place
780
00:40:11,994 --> 00:40:13,913
for her to go further.
781
00:40:14,622 --> 00:40:16,457
I'm like sobbing.
782
00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:19,001
Oh, no, oh, no.
783
00:40:19,085 --> 00:40:21,378
- It was powerful. I was crying.
- And then, look at Crane.
784
00:40:21,462 --> 00:40:23,297
Crane is like so... The post got...
785
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:26,675
Both of the guys are just
feeling so awkward.
786
00:40:26,759 --> 00:40:28,260
I just love that.
787
00:40:28,761 --> 00:40:30,346
They're like, "What?
788
00:40:31,138 --> 00:40:33,682
"What have we gotten ourselves into?"
Look at him. I love that.
789
00:40:33,766 --> 00:40:35,976
He's like, "I got a break, I came back.
790
00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:39,438
"You're crying. Everyone's crying.
Why is this happening?"
791
00:40:39,522 --> 00:40:40,940
"What happened while I was gone?"
792
00:40:44,693 --> 00:40:47,613
Just those little flashes
that crack me up.
793
00:40:54,745 --> 00:40:56,914
Another scene to be continued.
794
00:40:58,582 --> 00:41:02,128
- This day was a gorgeous day.
- Oh, finally.
795
00:41:02,211 --> 00:41:03,671
That was a beautiful day.
796
00:41:05,381 --> 00:41:06,632
Frank, what are you doing out here?
797
00:41:06,715 --> 00:41:07,842
Police call it "escaping."
798
00:41:07,925 --> 00:41:10,386
Whatever happened back there
with your mom gave me an opportunity.
799
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,720
I took it.
800
00:41:11,804 --> 00:41:13,347
Long as I'm in there,
I got a target on my back.
801
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:14,932
Out here, I got a chance
to make things right.
802
00:41:15,558 --> 00:41:18,060
Don't give me that
aiding-and-abetting-a-fugitive look, Mills.
803
00:41:19,061 --> 00:41:20,521
You said I could trust you.
804
00:41:21,355 --> 00:41:23,315
I love that about him.
805
00:41:23,399 --> 00:41:24,525
Now get me out of here.
806
00:41:27,236 --> 00:41:29,738
And this is such a good setup
for what happens later.
807
00:41:29,822 --> 00:41:32,116
Such a good setup for what happens later.
808
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,285
And she really trusts him.
809
00:41:35,661 --> 00:41:37,621
That scene was actually written
a little bit longer,
810
00:41:37,705 --> 00:41:40,666
- and we tried it a few different ways, too.
- Mmm-hmm.
811
00:41:40,749 --> 00:41:43,836
It just ends up, you know,
me sort of mugging.
812
00:41:43,919 --> 00:41:45,546
And he's saying a bunch of stuff.
813
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:50,009
What's going on with that neck?
I love the corset and jeans look, though.
814
00:41:50,092 --> 00:41:51,927
- It's very rock and roll.
- Yeah.
815
00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:56,182
Yeah, we stuck with that
for a good part of the season.
816
00:42:00,269 --> 00:42:02,646
And this is
the moment of truth, here.
817
00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:06,817
You know, can Katrina follow through
on her promise and kill Moloch?
818
00:42:10,112 --> 00:42:11,322
Uh-oh.
819
00:42:11,405 --> 00:42:13,199
He's a demon.
820
00:42:13,699 --> 00:42:16,243
Oy. That just looks amazing.
821
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:18,871
- The set's so beautiful.
- Yeah.
822
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:21,707
With the blue on the walls,
the red hair,
823
00:42:21,790 --> 00:42:23,667
and visually, it's really stunning.
824
00:42:26,545 --> 00:42:27,796
Yeah, we did...
825
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,841
We went through
a decent amount of casting, too, for this.
826
00:42:33,802 --> 00:42:37,973
Even though it's one image of boy Moloch.
827
00:42:38,224 --> 00:42:41,310
We wanted to find
just the right look for this kid.
828
00:42:42,645 --> 00:42:45,272
I thought shot really effectively,
where you just get glimpses
829
00:42:45,356 --> 00:42:48,567
and then finally there he is,
wearing Henry's clothes.
830
00:42:48,651 --> 00:42:49,860
I'm hungry, Mother.
831
00:42:55,658 --> 00:42:57,201
Yeah, well, it definitely paid off.
832
00:42:57,826 --> 00:43:00,162
He looks just like her.
833
00:43:05,709 --> 00:43:09,505
- That is it."Mama," Episode 209.
- Whoo!
834
00:43:11,173 --> 00:43:12,675
It's cool.
835
00:43:12,758 --> 00:43:15,928
Thanks so much
for watching, joining us.
836
00:43:16,011 --> 00:43:18,305
- And thank you, Nicole.
- Yes, thank you.
837
00:43:18,389 --> 00:43:19,932
- Oh, my goodness. Thank you, Mark.
- It was really fun.
838
00:43:20,015 --> 00:43:23,227
Thank you for writing that.
It was so much fun to do.
839
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:24,895
- Credit Damian.
- Till next time.
840
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:27,147
- Yeah.
841
00:43:27,231 --> 00:43:28,857
Until next time.