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Previously on Sleepy Hollow...
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Our quest will not be without peril.
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Hi, this is Mark Goffman.
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I'm one of the executive producers
and showrunner for season one and two.
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And I'm Tom Mison,
and I play Ichabod Crane.
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There I am with a drippy sword,
so to speak.
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The time has come.
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Uh, there they all are.
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This is "previously on"
from Episodes 201 through 10,
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as we are now watching
the mid-season finale "The Akeda."
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This will be exciting for all of us
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'cause I have no recollection
of this episode at all.
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When we moved to 18 episodes
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and because it was
such a busy, hectic schedule,
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within two weeks,
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I will have completely forgotten
an episode.
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So this will be a real treat for me.
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That's great.
As we're watching for the first time.
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You know, it was kind of like
that on the writing side, too.
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We had, uh, you know...
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This was actually pitched
in our original season as Episode 7
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when it was a 13-episode order and then...
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- Really?
- Yes.
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And as we sort of elongated to 18,
it became Episode 1 1,
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but initially Moloch's birth and arising
was all in the seventh episode.
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With the similar outcome when
it was seven, of the killing of Moloch.
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That part was all set
at the beginning.
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It was funny. Len Wiseman, you know,
genius co-creator of the show,
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never was satisfied
with the way Moloch looked.
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And over the hiatus,
we had about a one week hiatus
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between season one and season two
in the writers' room.
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But Len just one day said,
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"You know, I wish
we could just kill Moloch.
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"He's... Like I just...
I don't think he's scary enough."
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And, you know... And it's funny,
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we developed all these
little tricks to sort of conceal him.
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That's why the inside joke
before he had a name,
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- um, which was in the pilot...
- The Blurry Man.
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Yes, he was the Blurry Man.
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Yeah.
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And that was in part
to make him scarier.
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And we developed some,
you know, sort of stutter frames
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and other techniques
to keep him really scary.
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And then, after Len said,
"Why don't we just kill him?"
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You know, we thought about it and said,
"Well, we can. Let's do it."
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And that would be a way
to really kind of reset the show,
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and give us something
really to kind of propel us
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for the first half of the season.
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But before he dies,
we'll put him in a dress.
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The long, flowing black dress in this one.
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- The riding skirt.
- Exactly.
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Yeah. Now, Corey Castellano,
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who creates all of the creatures
for the show,
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he always seemed to be
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working on a new Moloch.
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- Yes.
- He'd be working at the individual episodes,
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but always there were plans
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for how to change Moloch next
and make him scarier.
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There was Moloch V1
from the pilot.
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Then there was a V2,
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which all of us kind of thought
looked exactly like V1,
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with the exception,
I think it was about two feet taller.
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- Yeah.
- Um, so he was bumping into ceilings.
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And we also, over the...
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So far we've had three different
actors playing Moloch.
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- That's right.
- In the pilot,
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we had... The suit was like
nearly seven feet. It was huge.
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And so they just got
the tallest person they could find,
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who I think was the brother
of someone working in the office.
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And then when we started
shooting season one,
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there was a guy... I think it was season one.
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- Yeah, it must have been.
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It was a guy called DJ,
who was a dancer, and moved amazingly.
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And so could do a lot of the stuttery effects
that we put on to the Blurry Man
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- when he was still called the Blurry Man.
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And the voice.
You know, the voice was Alex Kurtzman.
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- Really?
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The place is abandoned.
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And then DJ, who was
a brilliant dancer and moved amazingly,
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then was replaced by... Season two
Moloch, was Derek Mears.
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- Right.
- Who is just mister creature.
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- He's incredible. He was our Golem.
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He was... Who else did he...
Who else did Derek play?
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Oh, God, I'm having a brain drain
at the worst possible moment.
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Yeah, a number
of the bigger creatures.
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- He and Marti were really our go-to's.
- Marti Matulis.
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Between them,
they played pretty much all of them.
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Yeah, the Sandman,
most of our memorable, the Wendigo.
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This is back
in Fredericks Manor now,
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which was...
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Fredericks Manor came up in season one
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when we were looking for a place
for a haunted house episode,
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and it became "Sanctuary,"
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which of course had importance
for Crane's history,
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in that he and Katrina had visited there.
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And it became sort of the...
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One of the places
that good had sort of housed
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all of the secrets to the war.
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And of course Grace Dixon was there,
and ultimately where Henry was born.
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Two locations in this episode became
of historical importance to the show.
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The Fredericks Manor,
which is where Henry was born
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and then took over once he moved back,
and then Saint Henry's Parish,
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which was the church
right next to where he was unearthed.
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- And ultimately...
- And took his name.
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Yes, took his name.
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How was this sword fight for you, Tom?
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I loved doing all of the sword fights.
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When we see another character
with multiple actors,
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Headless, without a head,
is played by a chap called Jeremy,
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who's a local in Wilmington.
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And he's an expert in various forms
of martial arts, armed and unarmed.
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And also, is the chief lifeguard
on Wilmington beach.
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Oh.
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And he just is a huge imposing man.
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And so whenever they say,
"All right, Tom, go and fight Jeremy."
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I always think,
"I know how this is going to end up."
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It's always nice.
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The one thing that
I've always admired about Crane
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is he knows he's never going to beat
the Headless Horseman.
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- Yeah.
- 'Cause he's the Horseman of Death.
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Yet, if ever he needs to stand in the way
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between Headless
and any of Team Witness,
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he'll go and do it,
he'll put himself in danger.
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And this was the first fight
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where he thought
he could have the upper hand
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because of the Sword of Methuselah.
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- So he did.
- And he approaches it
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with a completely different, new...
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You know, with vim and vigor
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and breaks the Horseman's ax.
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- I thought it was a lovely fight.
- Yeah, it was really fun to see.
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It was neat to see that reversal, too,
with the Horseman.
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- You know, if he had a head...
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...you would have
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Well, it's funny you should say,
"If he had a head."
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'Cause coming up now,
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Katrina does another
convenient bit of magic,
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and we are soon to see
the Horseman with a head.
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Yeah, with Neil Jackson.
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That too was something
that I thought was fun,
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because normally...
Episode 10 was the first episode,
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the one previous to this was the first time
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that Crane had actually
gotten to see Abraham,
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his old friend
from many hundred years ago.
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Abraham.
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But now he gets to have a conversation
where he fully has the upper hand.
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The Horseman of Death is no exception.
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Yes, the Sword of Methuselah.
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And it... I'm... Right.
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Whenever Katrina is wearing the necklace,
she can see Abraham.
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- Yeah.
- But no one else can,
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until she does this nifty little spell.
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That trick initially came up
because the Headless Horseman
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is about $10,000 a shot.
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And so you can imagine,
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you know, the cost goes up very quickly
to do these fights.
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And there I was
thinking it was an idea
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with story being the driving force.
But no, it's cash.
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- Well, sometimes, you know...
- I didn't realize it was that much,
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that much for the effects.
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For some of the bigger ones.
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I think the lowest it cost
is about $3,500 to $5,000.
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Wow.
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But then a lot of the more bigger
movement shots are about 10 grand.
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So, you know,
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between season one and season two,
we wanted a way to keep Headless alive,
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and show him in...
You know, Neil Jackson we knew from...
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I had actually worked with him
on a previous show.
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And I knew he was both
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conversant with a sword
and a terrific actor.
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He seemed like
a great part for the role
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and we expanded it here in season two.
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Both for production reasons and because...
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As you pointed out for story,
it really was a fun way to work.
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And it allowed him to speak, which was...
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You know, and without...
And John Cho, at that point,
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was off doing another show,
so we couldn't have him following around.
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Oh, of course,
because we saw Headless
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speak through John Cho in season one,
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- at some point in season one.
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John Cho always
replaced by a necklace.
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And then, you know,
this was a fun part to show, that there's...
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One of the things we like to do on the show
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is that there's always
a cost to the magic involved.
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And it can never be as easy
as just getting a sword and saving the day.
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So the question here is,
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"Do we trust the conveyer
of this information?"
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You're not getting off that easy.
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I like that little moment
between Ichabod and Abbie.
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- Yeah.
- Where he says, "I'll kill him now."
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And she says,
"You're not getting out of it that easy."
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Right. She's not about to be
left alone with this if he is right.
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No, exactly.
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It's great. It's a nice little...
A subtle reminder of their bond.
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And not just in terms of witnesses,
but also as friends.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, a continuing theme in the show,
and one that really is at the heart of it.
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Exacting the cost of death for death.
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Dwight Little, this was the
first episode that he directed of the show.
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And, Tom,
how did you find working with him?
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I love Dwight.
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There's nothing more to say.
I love him.
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He's a man who constantly
has very, very strong ideas.
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He shoots quickly, which we like,
and beautifully.
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And also, he's quite unusual
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when you've got the intense schedule
of a television show.
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Before every scene,
he brings out a table and some chairs,
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and we all sit around
and discuss the scene,
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which is such a rarity
on a schedule like this.
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We don't often get a chance
to discuss the scene before we rehearse it.
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That's not what I was gonna pitch.
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Yeah. I thought...
Also, it created even a calm, you know,
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- before, that everyone gets.
- Absolutely.
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He's like,
"I know this is taking time,
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"that we're supposed to be shooting,
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"but it's okay.
I'd rather have this conversation now.
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"Let's all sit around the table
and walk through the scene."
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And I really liked that approach.
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Yeah, especially for scenes like this,
where there's three of us with...
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This is probably another
seven or eight page scene.
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Yeah.
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It's good to find the corners
that we all need to turn within it,
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so it's not just three people
talking at each other.
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- Not that it ever is, of course.
- Yeah.
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I actually really loved getting Lyndie
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or Jenny back in this scene. It was...
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One of the things about this episode
that was really fun for me
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was that it was the first time, really,
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that we were all
coming back together again,
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that the group was getting to reassemble
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after several episodes
of sort of having to all be separated.
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Yeah.
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Here's... You can see
how we're obscuring Moloch there.
240
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But this is another new Moloch.
241
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That's when Moloch shed his old skin
and becomes a...
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- Yes.
- ...powerful shadowy Moloch.
243
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Another... I thought really smart
Len Wiseman pitch and idea,
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he actually came up with the idea
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that Katrina becomes pregnant
with baby Moloch.
246
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And as part of that,
his earthly look should be different
247
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- than what we saw in Purgatory.
- Right.
248
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A binding ritual is no future.
249
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A last resort.
250
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I fought for you,
251
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and in return you tried to deceive
and destroy me.
252
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Not to destroy you.
253
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Moloch.
254
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Little spat here
between former captive and captor.
255
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Ex-fiancés.
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But...
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While I was with you...
258
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The idea for this episode
actually came as I was thinking about...
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This is really the first time...
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Just like it was the first time that Crane
had the power to potentially kill Headless,
261
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it was the first time that that sword
also gives him the power to kill Henry,
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- who's been the nemesis for the season.
- Yeah, quite.
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And in thinking about
the story of Abraham and Isaac,
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I'd read a long time ago this story,
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the Kierkegaard story
called Fear and Trembling,
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which was his kind of reconciling
of this incredible ask
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that God requests of or demands
of Abraham to prove his faith.
268
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And that last step,
according to Kierkegaard,
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before you can have faith is really infinite
270
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of giving up of what you believe
and what you see.
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And to do that for his son,
and he just questioned,
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"How could any god ever demand that?"
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Which, of course, seemed like
the right motivation to give to Henry.
274
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He doesn't buy in to our world anyway.
275
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And to say that the world is unjust.
I mean, look at what's happened to his life.
276
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He was put in a box
for a couple hundred years
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after being tormented,
having just a pretty hard childhood.
278
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- Oh, who hasn't? Get over it.
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So, in this cruel world,
no god could have created a world...
280
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No just god could have created
a world that way.
281
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So, of course, that's a god who's going to
try to have a father sacrifice his son.
282
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In the heat of battle,
we may not have the opportunity.
283
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There may be no other way.
284
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My love, there's always another way.
285
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Have you discovered anything
new about the sword?
286
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Yeah, in the Alexandrian
version of the Bible,
287
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there's a reference in Genesis.
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Adjacent to the story
of Abraham and Isaac.
289
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An unnerving test of faith.
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We were looking for an image
of the story of Abraham and Isaac
291
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that best sort of typified it.
292
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And also, one that I wanted Crane
to be able to recognize.
293
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And that seemed like a good one from...
294
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Just an incredible...
It's a really moving painting.
295
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But, yeah, back to your point.
296
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I love... One of the things we got
to finally put into the penultimate episode
297
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was where Crane finally gets that chance
to say to Henry,
298
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"I never even knew you were born."
299
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- Talk about misplaced blame.
- That was such a relief.
300
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It was a relief to finally
have Crane say that as well.
301
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I'm sure.
302
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Signing off. 9-23-17-8-0.
303
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The tricky thing actually
throughout this season is trying to find
304
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why Crane holds on to Henry so tightly.
305
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Because he didn't even...
306
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As he says later in the season,
he didn't even know he existed.
307
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And he's not to blame
for Henry's treatment.
308
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Not only did he not know he existed,
309
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he didn't even know
Katrina was ever pregnant.
310
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- Yeah.
- His hands are completely clean.
311
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But I guess it says a lot about him
as an honorable man
312
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that he is trying to find a family.
313
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Also, maybe a man...
You know, he's 200 years out of his time.
314
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- Yeah.
- He's trying to find the family,
315
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trying to find anything
that he has from the past.
316
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Also, I guess there's still
the remainder of the guilt
317
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of abandoning his family and country
before he came to America.
318
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To be accused of being unjust
319
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and to be accused of abandoning
something unreasonably,
320
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I think that probably cuts him,
and he wants to try and grab hold of it.
321
00:17:33,679 --> 00:17:37,766
And that is something...
We didn't really get into it this season.
322
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Well, clearly family
was a big theme this season,
323
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and finding your family,
324
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and having a family,
and unconditional love and acceptance.
325
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And he doesn't have anyone else.
326
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And that's why it was so important
when Katrina finally entered the world,
327
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and to have a son,
there's the family that he's always wanted.
328
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And we know that his relationship
with his own father became strained.
329
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And I think there's a big motivation there
to not repeat that
330
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and to try for salvation knowing that
it is something that's possible.
331
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And to exhaust all possibilities before,
332
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finally, as we get to the end of the season,
saying it's not possible.
333
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And this is really the episode
where I think Crane abandons hope
334
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that there is good in his son
and moves on from that notion.
335
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If we do nothing, we all die.
336
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Ichabod's story, as far back
as we can go in the character's timeline,
337
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has always been one of loss.
338
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And this an important episode, as you say,
339
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because it's when he finally agrees
that it's time to shed his son as well.
340
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He loses his family and his country
back in the 18th century.
341
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From the time he comes out
of the ground he's just...
342
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Well, also in the 18th century,
he loses his best friend Abraham.
343
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Then he loses his entire time.
344
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Everyone he's ever known is lost to him,
345
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and everything he's ever known,
lost to him.
346
00:19:11,902 --> 00:19:16,865
And over the course of these two seasons,
we've only seen him lose more and more.
347
00:19:18,575 --> 00:19:22,496
He supposes that he can win Katrina back,
348
00:19:23,038 --> 00:19:25,499
and that's the one thing
that he has from his time.
349
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But she eventually is lost to him as well,
as is Henry.
350
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It's quite tragic actually.
I've not really thought of it like that. God.
351
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Though, in this episode,
he does get to ride a motorcycle.
352
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So he does gain something.
353
00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:45,602
Was that the...
Had you ridden a motorcycle before?
354
00:19:46,478 --> 00:19:51,066
Oh, when I was 15,
round a friend's back garden.
355
00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:55,612
- But no, not really.
- It did... It looked like fun.
356
00:19:56,113 --> 00:19:57,990
Found this old-school motorcycle.
357
00:19:59,283 --> 00:20:00,868
The question is...
358
00:20:01,493 --> 00:20:04,204
In fact, actually at the end
of the first season,
359
00:20:04,288 --> 00:20:09,668
I remember you, me and Alex Kurtzman
sitting in a field.
360
00:20:09,751 --> 00:20:11,503
- It was the re-enactment battle.
- Yeah.
361
00:20:11,587 --> 00:20:13,422
- That's right, that's right.
- We were discussing ideas
362
00:20:13,505 --> 00:20:15,424
for this second season.
363
00:20:15,632 --> 00:20:18,051
And I said, "I think Ichabod
should ride a bike.
364
00:20:18,135 --> 00:20:21,013
"During the hiatus
I'm going to learn to ride a motorbike."
365
00:20:21,138 --> 00:20:23,682
And the look on your faces
366
00:20:24,850 --> 00:20:30,230
when their lead actor said,
"I'm going to learn to ride a motorbike."
367
00:20:30,314 --> 00:20:32,900
That's exactly what you'd expect
from a producer.
368
00:20:32,983 --> 00:20:34,568
We're like, "Wait."
369
00:20:34,651 --> 00:20:37,988
And then of course, we have you
not wearing a helmet in this episode.
370
00:20:38,113 --> 00:20:39,406
The Four Trees.
371
00:20:39,489 --> 00:20:41,199
- The Four White Trees?
- Not anymore.
372
00:20:42,367 --> 00:20:45,454
So, I added the line, you know,
373
00:20:45,537 --> 00:20:48,582
that all laws are suspended
during the apocalypse.
374
00:20:48,665 --> 00:20:50,000
Oh, yes.
375
00:20:51,835 --> 00:20:53,754
With each tree that is burned black,
376
00:20:53,837 --> 00:20:55,505
more evil may enter.
377
00:20:58,508 --> 00:21:01,762
This is where
Crane and company are learning
378
00:21:01,845 --> 00:21:04,473
what Moloch's plan is here.
379
00:21:05,015 --> 00:21:08,143
That Purgatory is merging now with Earth.
380
00:21:09,603 --> 00:21:12,189
The fall of the third tree
will bring Moloch's demon army.
381
00:21:12,314 --> 00:21:14,608
But he has to 'cause now there's...
382
00:21:14,691 --> 00:21:17,361
We found somebody, Irving,
who can use the sword.
383
00:21:18,737 --> 00:21:20,739
And that was our piece of twistery
in the episode
384
00:21:20,822 --> 00:21:24,034
was Irving's code that he left him
385
00:21:24,701 --> 00:21:27,162
was based on the...
386
00:21:27,871 --> 00:21:29,206
It was John Andre.
387
00:21:29,289 --> 00:21:33,418
A letter that Benedict Arnold
had written to John Andre
388
00:21:34,252 --> 00:21:35,921
to give up West Point.
389
00:21:36,129 --> 00:21:40,968
Which could have turned the war,
and Andre was arrested
390
00:21:41,051 --> 00:21:44,638
and we found that those papers
on him in 1780.
391
00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:47,265
And Crane, of course,
was familiar with that story
392
00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:53,981
and knew that Andre was taken
to a holding cell in Sleepy Hollow,
393
00:21:54,064 --> 00:21:58,860
which is then where Irving
had been camped out, present day.
394
00:22:00,654 --> 00:22:02,030
- Very convenient.
- Mmm.
395
00:22:03,156 --> 00:22:05,617
It's amazing
how much happened in Sleepy Hollow
396
00:22:05,701 --> 00:22:08,453
- during the revolution.
- Isn't it? Isn't it?
397
00:22:08,996 --> 00:22:10,914
Franklin spent quite a bit of time.
398
00:22:11,623 --> 00:22:13,083
Washington. Yes.
399
00:22:14,376 --> 00:22:17,170
Well, but, you know, it was the hub of all,
400
00:22:17,254 --> 00:22:21,967
ground zero for evil,
you know, the nexus between worlds,
401
00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:23,176
so all part of the secret war.
402
00:22:23,260 --> 00:22:24,761
I didn't know you guys liked to party.
403
00:22:26,638 --> 00:22:30,017
Quite, it's a cross between...
Two ley lines cross there.
404
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:31,977
- Isn't that right?
- That's right.
405
00:22:33,228 --> 00:22:36,398
- That's that one solved. Phew.
- All the way from there to Stonehenge.
406
00:22:40,277 --> 00:22:42,362
Does that mean season three
will shoot in England?
407
00:22:42,446 --> 00:22:45,866
You know I've been
pushing for that for a long time, Tom.
408
00:22:45,949 --> 00:22:47,451
- I know.
409
00:22:47,868 --> 00:22:50,203
24 shot a season in England,
410
00:22:50,287 --> 00:22:52,831
and we were trying to
convince Fox to, you know,
411
00:22:52,914 --> 00:22:57,461
take maybe the tail end of their production
and shoot for a couple weeks there.
412
00:22:57,544 --> 00:22:58,712
Maybe, season three.
413
00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:01,173
Doomsdayers are zero for 10,000 years.
414
00:23:01,381 --> 00:23:06,053
This scene, so the hail of blood
were these rock candies,
415
00:23:06,136 --> 00:23:09,264
and they had an entire truckload of these.
416
00:23:09,347 --> 00:23:11,892
Now, I don't know if anybody
ate any of them,
417
00:23:11,975 --> 00:23:13,977
but it was pretty cool.
418
00:23:14,061 --> 00:23:15,979
- And then they just run out.
- Yep.
419
00:23:16,063 --> 00:23:18,440
- The second truck didn't arrive.
- No.
420
00:23:18,523 --> 00:23:20,901
- It's expensive.
- That's ingenious.
421
00:23:20,984 --> 00:23:23,195
- You need hailing blood.
- Mmm-hmm.
422
00:23:23,278 --> 00:23:24,446
I wouldn't know where to start.
423
00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:27,824
But, you know,
obviously sweets, boiled sweets.
424
00:23:27,908 --> 00:23:31,203
You know, Jeremy Cassells,
our production designer,
425
00:23:31,286 --> 00:23:33,747
Tyler is our new prop master,
426
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:36,500
and Natalie, Jeremy's wife,
is the art director.
427
00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:38,502
I think they killed it all season.
428
00:23:39,294 --> 00:23:40,253
- I mean...
- Yeah, agreed.
429
00:23:40,337 --> 00:23:43,131
Just every single, you know...
430
00:23:43,215 --> 00:23:45,300
I mean, look, you mention props.
Look at this.
431
00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:46,551
Yeah.
432
00:23:46,635 --> 00:23:52,390
Well, just the Archives,
just this room is incredible.
433
00:23:53,183 --> 00:23:58,313
And day one, I went around
sticking my name
434
00:23:58,396 --> 00:24:02,234
on all the bits of furniture
that I wanted when the show finishes.
435
00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:06,822
They were quickly taken off
and replaced by the props master's name.
436
00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:08,365
Oh, that's too bad.
437
00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:12,953
I liked in the season premiere
when we just...
438
00:24:13,036 --> 00:24:16,081
We changed very subtle things
actually in the Archives
439
00:24:16,581 --> 00:24:19,709
to show that...
Just to give hints that it was Purgatory.
440
00:24:20,127 --> 00:24:22,462
I don't even know if all of them
ended up on camera.
441
00:24:22,546 --> 00:24:28,051
But we flipped the mural
that's behind Hawley here.
442
00:24:28,135 --> 00:24:30,220
- The mural of Washington?
- Yes.
443
00:24:30,303 --> 00:24:31,638
Yeah, crossing the Delaware.
444
00:24:31,721 --> 00:24:35,892
And we changed the color
of the leather chairs that are in the back.
445
00:24:36,059 --> 00:24:37,310
Wow.
446
00:24:37,394 --> 00:24:38,937
This ain't no Wendigo.
447
00:24:39,646 --> 00:24:41,064
The Horseman of Death.
448
00:24:42,107 --> 00:24:44,151
You'll have everyone
going to Episode 1 on the DVD now
449
00:24:44,234 --> 00:24:46,653
to see if they can find all the differences.
450
00:24:46,736 --> 00:24:51,825
There were differences,
Abbie's wearing peculiar earrings.
451
00:24:51,908 --> 00:24:53,952
- Mmm-hmm.
- I seem to remember that.
452
00:24:55,162 --> 00:24:56,746
That symbolized something.
453
00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:57,998
They did tell me, but as I said,
454
00:24:58,081 --> 00:25:01,251
I've no recollection of anything
before last week.
455
00:25:01,751 --> 00:25:03,378
- Wait, really?
- Yeah.
456
00:25:03,461 --> 00:25:05,839
I like Abbie assigning
457
00:25:05,922 --> 00:25:08,425
Hawley here to just keep an eye on,
you know...
458
00:25:08,884 --> 00:25:12,512
"Keep an eye on the Horseman.
Things might get really out of hand.
459
00:25:12,596 --> 00:25:17,684
"So, I'm gonna go take down the big bad
but you gotta watch this guy."
460
00:25:17,767 --> 00:25:18,977
I need to trust you
461
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:21,396
to watch over the Headless
Horseman until we get back.
462
00:25:21,605 --> 00:25:22,689
It's not a party,
463
00:25:22,772 --> 00:25:23,982
you cannot have any friends over.
464
00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:29,196
She has a lot of faith in Jefferson.
That's the subtext here.
465
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,533
Jefferson created this
and Katrina put a magic spell on it.
466
00:25:33,617 --> 00:25:37,454
And it's Abbie showing that she has faith
in two of Ichabod's things,
467
00:25:37,537 --> 00:25:38,872
Jefferson and Katrina,
468
00:25:38,955 --> 00:25:43,627
faith enough to leave Hawley,
who isn't entirely trustworthy.
469
00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:44,878
No.
470
00:25:44,961 --> 00:25:48,173
But I like that, you know,
it gives him something to do,
471
00:25:48,256 --> 00:25:50,967
and I just love the way
she speaks to him in that scene.
472
00:25:51,051 --> 00:25:52,510
You know, "It's not a party."
473
00:25:53,345 --> 00:25:56,348
Hmm. I like the way the two Cranes
speak to each other here.
474
00:25:56,431 --> 00:26:03,271
This is the first moment that we see
a growing chasm in their relationship.
475
00:26:04,314 --> 00:26:07,108
Well, up until this point...
476
00:26:07,192 --> 00:26:09,778
You know, obviously,
season one, she was in Purgatory
477
00:26:09,861 --> 00:26:11,863
and there were very urgent conversations.
478
00:26:11,947 --> 00:26:15,158
And then, really even in season two,
479
00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:19,996
so many of their conversations had to be
truncated or just about the mission.
480
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,708
And now they finally have a moment
to really have it out.
481
00:26:23,792 --> 00:26:25,919
Yeah, this is... Is this the scene?
482
00:26:26,002 --> 00:26:28,713
This is the first scene
that they've been together,
483
00:26:28,797 --> 00:26:32,050
just the two of them alone,
outside of Purgatory.
484
00:26:32,509 --> 00:26:36,554
Sometimes, I question
the very idea of our "marriage."
485
00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:40,558
And this is where it ends up.
And, you know, they're doomed.
486
00:26:41,518 --> 00:26:44,020
No matter how hard they both try,
they're doomed.
487
00:26:44,104 --> 00:26:46,690
Also, I think Katia's cracking in this.
488
00:26:46,940 --> 00:26:48,942
Mmm. Yeah, absolutely.
489
00:26:49,025 --> 00:26:51,236
We are both better off
considering ourselves
490
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,530
in the roles we have to play in this war.
491
00:26:55,282 --> 00:26:56,533
Soldiers.
492
00:26:56,825 --> 00:27:00,495
Yeah, I think it was such
an emotional scene,
493
00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:03,456
you know, to finally... Cathartic, in a way.
494
00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:07,877
All season long, she's been really trying
as hard as she can
495
00:27:07,961 --> 00:27:10,755
to figure out her place,
and to keep with the mission,
496
00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:14,301
and figure out
where her relationship is with Crane.
497
00:27:14,384 --> 00:27:16,928
And it's been evolving
as she's spent more time,
498
00:27:17,012 --> 00:27:18,430
you know, on the other side,
499
00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:20,724
and I think she's really struggling here.
500
00:27:21,558 --> 00:27:23,310
The third tree burns
501
00:27:23,393 --> 00:27:26,771
and we still await the Horseman of Death.
502
00:27:26,855 --> 00:27:29,649
The witch created weakness in Abraham.
503
00:27:29,733 --> 00:27:30,942
She must have delayed him.
504
00:27:31,026 --> 00:27:32,152
The sword.
505
00:27:33,236 --> 00:27:36,156
You should have prevented this.
506
00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:38,783
That's not Alex as well,
is it, doing that voice?
507
00:27:38,867 --> 00:27:40,285
No, that was not Alex.
508
00:27:40,368 --> 00:27:41,828
That was Marti.
509
00:27:42,829 --> 00:27:44,956
It was him on stage.
510
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,001
We checked.
We actually tried a few different voices.
511
00:27:48,084 --> 00:27:50,962
I think we ended up sticking with him.
512
00:27:51,046 --> 00:27:53,715
But in post we always try
a few different things
513
00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:56,509
and we re-pitched it and added some...
514
00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:00,597
I don't know, some audio design.
515
00:28:02,349 --> 00:28:04,517
I volunteered to do my Alan Bennett,
516
00:28:04,601 --> 00:28:06,436
but it was overruled.
517
00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:10,607
- Too intimidating.
- I think so.
518
00:28:10,982 --> 00:28:12,233
I take it you two spoke.
519
00:28:12,317 --> 00:28:13,360
We agreed.
520
00:28:13,443 --> 00:28:15,153
We share a single focus,
521
00:28:15,236 --> 00:28:16,613
Moloch.
522
00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:20,867
We got company!
523
00:28:24,454 --> 00:28:27,290
And that crossbow.
Do you have a story with the crossbow?
524
00:28:27,374 --> 00:28:30,877
No. It's actually... Yes, yes, I do.
525
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,217
The crossbow, very early on,
in season one, I'd made the decision,
526
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:40,762
I didn't want Crane
to use modern weapons.
527
00:28:42,806 --> 00:28:46,518
We had the great gag in the first episode
528
00:28:46,601 --> 00:28:49,604
where he doesn't realize
that it fires more than once.
529
00:28:49,687 --> 00:28:53,149
And after that, it was something
that I particularly wanted to avoid.
530
00:28:54,234 --> 00:28:58,238
And eventually,
someone came up with the crossbow,
531
00:28:58,321 --> 00:28:59,989
- which was an excellent idea.
- Yeah.
532
00:29:00,073 --> 00:29:02,742
Now, the interesting thing
about it is later on
533
00:29:02,826 --> 00:29:06,204
you see Ichabod with
a pump action crossbow
534
00:29:06,287 --> 00:29:08,456
so that he can shoot
more and more arrows.
535
00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:09,624
Yep.
536
00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:15,547
You know, I thought it was amazing
and weird and amazingly weird.
537
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:18,758
And I looked it up.
And you know, that was invented
538
00:29:18,842 --> 00:29:20,552
hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of years ago.
539
00:29:20,635 --> 00:29:21,636
Yeah.
540
00:29:21,719 --> 00:29:23,555
- The pump action crossbow.
- Yep.
541
00:29:24,347 --> 00:29:25,348
And I had no idea.
542
00:29:25,432 --> 00:29:29,936
I thought it was, you know...
I thought that was us really testing...
543
00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:33,523
Asking the audience to suspend disbelief
with a pump action crossbow.
544
00:29:33,606 --> 00:29:37,318
But, actually, the Chinese invented it
centuries and centuries ago.
545
00:29:37,402 --> 00:29:42,907
There's a really cool
YouTube video of a crossbow expert
546
00:29:42,991 --> 00:29:47,287
and a bow and arrow expert
who trained in the ancient way.
547
00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:50,665
And it's kind of amazing
how quickly he can pull.
548
00:29:50,748 --> 00:29:52,792
It's...
549
00:29:52,876 --> 00:29:55,879
I thought that you probably
adopted your style from his.
550
00:29:56,212 --> 00:30:01,259
They actually shoot the arrow
on the right side so that they can pull it.
551
00:30:01,342 --> 00:30:06,306
And somehow in the last,
you know, 50 to 100 years,
552
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:09,225
we've done some things
to make it more accurate
553
00:30:10,143 --> 00:30:13,104
but it's taken away the ability
to shoot quickly.
554
00:30:13,188 --> 00:30:19,652
Which was, you know, prior to the advent
of guns, much more important.
555
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:22,071
I love this effect.
I thought that was really cool.
556
00:30:22,739 --> 00:30:24,073
Mmm.
557
00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:27,202
I love that there's a crossbow expert.
558
00:30:27,285 --> 00:30:30,497
I'm gonna give up acting.
I've got a new aim in life.
559
00:30:32,081 --> 00:30:34,000
You know,
you have a future there
560
00:30:34,083 --> 00:30:35,877
if you so choose.
561
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,337
Thanks, man.
562
00:30:37,587 --> 00:30:38,796
Uh-oh.
563
00:30:39,589 --> 00:30:40,882
- Here it comes.
- Mmm.
564
00:30:43,927 --> 00:30:45,803
Yeah, this realization.
565
00:30:46,221 --> 00:30:47,430
Captain.
566
00:30:49,432 --> 00:30:53,686
In this death scene, this...
I think is the first...
567
00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:56,231
The first time...
Is it the first time I call him captain?
568
00:30:56,314 --> 00:30:58,191
Orlando and I discussed it,
569
00:30:58,274 --> 00:31:01,611
and I really wanted
to refer to him as captain,
570
00:31:02,612 --> 00:31:06,157
and treat him like a fellow officer,
571
00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:09,160
an officer of equal rank
dying on the battlefield.
572
00:31:09,244 --> 00:31:13,081
A soldier. Yeah.
I thought that was really, really moving.
573
00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:17,585
Just really fantastic performances here.
574
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:19,003
You fight.
575
00:31:19,462 --> 00:31:21,172
You're a captain, you fight.
576
00:31:21,256 --> 00:31:23,341
Yes, you fight.
577
00:31:33,643 --> 00:31:35,937
You know, it was funny because
578
00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:38,314
as emotional and impactful
as we wanted it,
579
00:31:38,398 --> 00:31:40,525
and again the cost of the sword,
580
00:31:40,608 --> 00:31:45,154
and to really show the toll
it had taken on our team.
581
00:31:45,238 --> 00:31:48,992
Also, you know, we knew that he
was coming back in the very next episode.
582
00:31:50,326 --> 00:31:53,580
But it was something
we had to conceal for over a month
583
00:31:53,663 --> 00:31:56,583
since we were off the air
for the next five weeks.
584
00:31:59,168 --> 00:32:01,421
Another moment of firsts,
I think that's the first time
585
00:32:01,504 --> 00:32:04,591
- Ichabod has touched Abbie.
- Hmm.
586
00:32:04,674 --> 00:32:06,801
It's almost
always her touching him.
587
00:32:07,427 --> 00:32:11,014
And this, to look out for her.
588
00:32:11,097 --> 00:32:14,392
He grabs hold of her, which is something
he would never normally do.
589
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:18,229
- That was nice.
- Yeah, yeah.
590
00:32:18,313 --> 00:32:20,607
And we played that scene, that was MOS,
591
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:24,360
just with, again, our brilliant composers
coming up with a score
592
00:32:24,444 --> 00:32:26,487
that kind of swept us into the scene.
593
00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:28,698
We lost him.
594
00:32:29,032 --> 00:32:30,658
Is he really gone?
595
00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:34,078
He saved our lives.
596
00:32:34,495 --> 00:32:36,080
He died a hero.
597
00:32:36,164 --> 00:32:38,166
And in his name, we soldier on.
598
00:32:38,249 --> 00:32:40,460
It gave a nice moment also to separate
599
00:32:40,543 --> 00:32:43,087
Crane being there with Irving's death,
600
00:32:43,171 --> 00:32:47,967
and then being able
to tell Abbie about it afterwards.
601
00:32:48,051 --> 00:32:49,969
And then to, sort of, unpack it here.
602
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:55,850
That was another, you know...
It's funny 'cause people ask, you know.
603
00:32:55,933 --> 00:32:58,061
Some people had talked
about that battle scene
604
00:32:58,144 --> 00:33:01,689
and Nicole's or Abbie's...
605
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:05,943
The fact that she was
out of that scene, very quickly.
606
00:33:06,027 --> 00:33:09,072
This is something
in the chaos of production
607
00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:10,865
and we're shooting
multiple episodes at a time.
608
00:33:10,948 --> 00:33:12,950
There's so much production going on.
609
00:33:13,868 --> 00:33:16,412
The schedule's created so that, you know,
610
00:33:16,496 --> 00:33:19,123
we only have a certain amount of time
with each actor.
611
00:33:19,207 --> 00:33:22,502
And I thought it actually worked
very elegantly with the story
612
00:33:22,585 --> 00:33:27,090
to then have her in here with Jenny
and getting these separate moments.
613
00:33:27,256 --> 00:33:28,758
...other than this moment.
614
00:33:28,883 --> 00:33:32,387
And then building up to this where,
you know, Abbie really rallies the troop.
615
00:33:33,346 --> 00:33:34,597
It's not just you.
616
00:33:34,681 --> 00:33:36,015
All of us, here...
617
00:33:36,182 --> 00:33:37,558
And it's very typical
of the two of them
618
00:33:37,642 --> 00:33:40,561
to have an argument
about who sacrifices themselves.
619
00:33:41,187 --> 00:33:42,230
Yeah.
620
00:33:42,855 --> 00:33:44,691
And that was another thing
in this episode, though.
621
00:33:44,774 --> 00:33:50,780
We've seen both of them willing to
make a sacrifice of themselves, you know.
622
00:33:51,614 --> 00:33:54,784
Crane many times starting,
you know, with the Sin Eater,
623
00:33:55,368 --> 00:33:57,286
willing to make that ultimate sacrifice.
624
00:33:57,370 --> 00:33:59,914
And Abbie willing to spend time
in Purgatory.
625
00:33:59,997 --> 00:34:04,585
This episode it's, you know,
can you sacrifice someone you love?
626
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:07,964
Are you willing to make that sacrifice?
Is Crane willing to sacrifice Henry?
627
00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:09,173
I am not gonna let Moloch
628
00:34:09,257 --> 00:34:11,467
take another soul from this earth.
629
00:34:11,676 --> 00:34:15,430
I do like that Abbie, you know,
puts up a very, very good argument
630
00:34:15,513 --> 00:34:19,225
and says that she's gonna be first,
and when she falls, Ichabod takes it,
631
00:34:19,308 --> 00:34:21,394
and when Ichabod falls, the next one.
632
00:34:21,477 --> 00:34:22,520
Mmm-hmm.
633
00:34:24,272 --> 00:34:27,233
But then in the actual plan,
Ichabod has the sword.
634
00:34:27,316 --> 00:34:30,153
I love that she rallies with,
"I'm gonna do it."
635
00:34:30,945 --> 00:34:34,240
But actually, "Here, you take it, you take it.
You put up a good fight as well."
636
00:34:34,741 --> 00:34:35,783
Yeah.
637
00:34:35,867 --> 00:34:38,953
Well, she's got the opening salvo
in this scene, so...
638
00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:41,914
That's why she says,
"There, you haven't heard my plan.
639
00:34:44,542 --> 00:34:46,961
"I'm willing to do it, but so must you."
640
00:34:47,503 --> 00:34:49,005
You would have me die?
641
00:34:49,088 --> 00:34:51,048
There were Horsemen before you,
there will be Horsemen after.
642
00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:53,217
And then Henry, of course, learning.
643
00:34:53,301 --> 00:34:56,304
He, you know,
on the opposite end of the spectrum,
644
00:34:56,387 --> 00:35:00,558
not willing to sacrifice yourself,
Moloch says, "Hey, this is all about me.
645
00:35:01,184 --> 00:35:04,604
"There've been other Horsemen before you.
There'll be others after you.
646
00:35:05,188 --> 00:35:07,106
"You've served your purpose now.
647
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:10,860
"And now becomes my time
and you should just be happy
648
00:35:10,943 --> 00:35:12,779
"that you got the chance to serve me."
649
00:35:12,862 --> 00:35:14,363
I will obey.
650
00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:17,033
Which is when he says, "You know what?
Dad's aren't all they're cracked up to be."
651
00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:26,709
Only an actor
of John Noble's caliber
652
00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:30,338
could still be intimidating
whilst wearing knitwear.
653
00:35:32,256 --> 00:35:34,634
Yeah. He's such a gift.
654
00:35:34,717 --> 00:35:35,760
- He is.
- Yeah.
655
00:35:35,843 --> 00:35:37,553
He was so much fun this season.
656
00:35:40,223 --> 00:35:41,641
War is hell.
657
00:35:41,724 --> 00:35:43,935
And this is Saint Henry's Parish.
658
00:35:44,727 --> 00:35:48,356
This was actually a location
we found in season one.
659
00:35:48,773 --> 00:35:52,401
And then, as we started to build out
its significance, Jeremy came to me.
660
00:35:52,485 --> 00:35:57,281
I didn't think we'd be able to build such a,
you know, fantastic location on our stages.
661
00:35:57,365 --> 00:36:00,159
But Jeremy said, "You know what?
I can actually do more here."
662
00:36:00,243 --> 00:36:02,370
Let's see what you're made of, Lieutenant.
663
00:36:02,453 --> 00:36:07,750
And originally, a lot of these scenes were
gonna take place exterior in the woods.
664
00:36:07,834 --> 00:36:11,796
As Tom probably knows
a lot better than me,
665
00:36:11,879 --> 00:36:16,884
the woods in Wilmington, you know,
especially summertime,
666
00:36:16,968 --> 00:36:19,095
are not the most pleasant place.
667
00:36:19,178 --> 00:36:23,766
And it's a little hard to control.
There's a lot of bugs out there.
668
00:36:25,142 --> 00:36:30,106
It's tough. It was...
You guys, I can't believe the, you know...
669
00:36:30,773 --> 00:36:34,193
What you guys do for this show
is just amazing.
670
00:36:34,277 --> 00:36:37,196
I struggle to believe it
as well sometimes, Mark.
671
00:36:38,281 --> 00:36:41,409
The many,
many all-night shoots, just incredible.
672
00:36:41,492 --> 00:36:43,870
So, when he said
we had the ability to build this,
673
00:36:43,953 --> 00:36:49,667
we actually then built it for Episode 207,
and were able to keep it
674
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:53,045
and use it as a primary location
in this episode,
675
00:36:53,129 --> 00:36:57,258
which really allowed us
to shoot within the number of days we had.
676
00:36:57,967 --> 00:36:59,844
It won't be that easy.
677
00:37:04,724 --> 00:37:06,225
If you want to leave here,
678
00:37:06,309 --> 00:37:08,686
your only option is to kill me,
679
00:37:08,853 --> 00:37:09,854
Father.
680
00:37:09,979 --> 00:37:11,272
Here we come to the climax.
681
00:37:11,355 --> 00:37:12,899
So here I am.
682
00:37:12,982 --> 00:37:14,025
Kill me.
683
00:37:25,661 --> 00:37:26,996
You see it.
684
00:37:27,622 --> 00:37:29,457
That shot,
bringing us back into that scene,
685
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:34,378
that's the sort of shot that we probably
couldn't have done if we were on location.
686
00:37:34,462 --> 00:37:39,216
It's another benefit of building on a stage
687
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:45,556
- is it's ours to play around with.
- Oh, yeah. It's so much easier to control.
688
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:48,893
The episode
with the Aurora Borealis,
689
00:37:48,976 --> 00:37:51,270
pregnant with baby Moloch episode,
690
00:37:51,354 --> 00:37:53,648
that was a scene with the Aurora at the end
691
00:37:53,731 --> 00:37:56,901
that couldn't have been done
if we were on location.
692
00:37:56,984 --> 00:37:59,612
So we're again very lucky
that we have someone like Jeremy
693
00:37:59,695 --> 00:38:01,447
who can build sets like this.
694
00:38:01,530 --> 00:38:03,282
Yeah and it just,
it looks fantastic.
695
00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:08,120
It looks, in fact, I think better
than actually had we been on location.
696
00:38:08,746 --> 00:38:12,291
And, you know, as you said
the camera angles we're able to get,
697
00:38:12,625 --> 00:38:14,168
just really work.
698
00:38:14,835 --> 00:38:16,379
A mighty ram.
699
00:38:17,213 --> 00:38:18,965
- Moloch...
- Moloch.
700
00:38:19,507 --> 00:38:20,841
My son,
701
00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:22,343
let me pass
702
00:38:23,552 --> 00:38:25,763
and I will dispatch Moloch to hell
703
00:38:25,846 --> 00:38:27,056
and you will be free
704
00:38:27,306 --> 00:38:29,058
to live a life of your making,
705
00:38:29,183 --> 00:38:30,977
not a pawn in his game.
706
00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:33,145
This is where we hear
the story of The Akeda.
707
00:38:33,229 --> 00:38:37,525
And, you know, it conveniently worked out
that Moloch has horns like a ram.
708
00:38:37,608 --> 00:38:40,736
We were able to use that part of the story.
God provided a ram.
709
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:43,239
...while you go face Moloch and die?
710
00:38:43,322 --> 00:38:45,032
That is what sacrifice is.
711
00:38:45,449 --> 00:38:47,118
And again, and Henry realizing,
712
00:38:47,201 --> 00:38:50,371
that it's interesting for him to realize
in this moment that his parents
713
00:38:50,454 --> 00:38:52,039
have not given up hope yet.
714
00:38:52,123 --> 00:38:56,752
And that they still, you know,
despite the evidence are willing to believe
715
00:38:56,877 --> 00:39:01,298
that he wants family as much as they do.
716
00:39:01,757 --> 00:39:05,594
And they have this unconditional love
that only a parent can have for a child.
717
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:11,350
Don't look at Katrina.
Never look at Katrina, for God's sake.
718
00:39:11,434 --> 00:39:13,769
All it takes is that one moment.
719
00:39:14,186 --> 00:39:15,312
Oh, Crane.
720
00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:17,273
I can wield this with impunity.
721
00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:20,985
Faith, hope and charity,
722
00:39:21,068 --> 00:39:24,780
the Holy Trinity has brought you
to your knees again, Father.
723
00:39:26,115 --> 00:39:27,116
Come.
724
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,577
Moloch is waiting.
725
00:39:32,455 --> 00:39:36,208
And this sequence here,
we wanted to set up that this is now...
726
00:39:36,292 --> 00:39:42,048
Earth is really merging with Purgatory.
There are beings that escaped.
727
00:39:42,131 --> 00:39:44,550
And so that shadow that we ran across
728
00:39:44,633 --> 00:39:46,385
was helping to set up
in the rest of the season
729
00:39:46,469 --> 00:39:52,725
that we might see new creatures,
new beings that were able to come through
730
00:39:52,808 --> 00:39:56,020
in this brief moment before Moloch died.
731
00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:57,897
Kill the witch.
732
00:39:58,272 --> 00:40:01,317
- Oh, whoops, I gave away the ending.
- Oh, Mark.
733
00:40:05,154 --> 00:40:06,238
But she is Abraham's.
734
00:40:06,322 --> 00:40:08,616
Abraham failed. He gets nothing.
735
00:40:08,699 --> 00:40:10,659
The witch dies first.
736
00:40:11,744 --> 00:40:15,748
And here in this we wanted to...
Since Moloch was about to end,
737
00:40:15,831 --> 00:40:20,503
we wanted to really kind of showcase him
and let everybody see him in his full glory.
738
00:40:21,629 --> 00:40:22,630
Now.
739
00:40:24,507 --> 00:40:26,675
I don't know what they put
in his mouth to make...
740
00:40:26,759 --> 00:40:32,348
It's just... It's pretty gross
what this actor has to go through.
741
00:40:33,891 --> 00:40:38,354
It's hours and hours of makeup in there
as, Tom, you know, too.
742
00:40:38,437 --> 00:40:43,025
I mean, to prepare the creatures
on this show
743
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:44,610
and even in your costume,
744
00:40:44,693 --> 00:40:48,656
just everything on this show
is just incredibly time-intensive.
745
00:40:48,739 --> 00:40:51,659
Yeah, every time we look
at the call sheet and see,
746
00:40:51,742 --> 00:40:54,036
we've got a 5:30 pick up.
747
00:40:55,329 --> 00:40:58,332
We can never complain
nor roll our eyes or sigh
748
00:40:58,415 --> 00:41:01,710
because you look at Marti and Derek
or any of the creature guys
749
00:41:01,794 --> 00:41:05,673
and they're in at 3:00, 3:30,
start putting it on.
750
00:41:05,756 --> 00:41:08,300
The story of a cruel and merciless God
751
00:41:08,384 --> 00:41:11,095
who designed a cruel and merciless world.
752
00:41:11,428 --> 00:41:13,472
Nothing like a John Noble speech
in the woods.
753
00:41:13,556 --> 00:41:15,432
Who could worship a deity
754
00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:19,061
who commands a man
to sacrifice his own son?
755
00:41:19,937 --> 00:41:22,648
Those days have come to an end.
756
00:41:24,108 --> 00:41:26,610
Tom, your performance
is just fantastic in this episode.
757
00:41:26,694 --> 00:41:30,906
- Every episode, but this really...
- It's because I'm not saying very much.
758
00:41:32,491 --> 00:41:33,909
- Thanks.
759
00:41:35,911 --> 00:41:38,247
But that's, you know, it's funny,
you say that, though.
760
00:41:38,581 --> 00:41:42,960
I'm always amazed at finding a lot of times
761
00:41:43,043 --> 00:41:49,133
fewer words suffice 'cause you can
do so much with your expressions.
762
00:41:52,511 --> 00:41:54,597
I find the same with Nicole as well.
763
00:41:56,473 --> 00:42:00,060
It's always... Well, actually with every,
you know, we've got a great cast,
764
00:42:00,644 --> 00:42:06,025
- who can all say a lot with a look.
- Yeah, they really can.
765
00:42:06,108 --> 00:42:09,153
I had no idea what look to give here
when we just had
766
00:42:09,236 --> 00:42:11,030
Dwight behind the camera saying,
767
00:42:11,113 --> 00:42:14,992
"And Moloch's turning to flames
and is growling.
768
00:42:15,075 --> 00:42:16,410
"And then he's dead."
769
00:42:19,747 --> 00:42:22,333
Well, it was nice to be reminded
of that episode.
770
00:42:25,669 --> 00:42:29,089
Yeah, that was fun.
That was. It was an intense one.