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when a resident is gunned down
in his home.
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[Lorenzo] He was laying on his
back in a pool of blood.
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It was a heinous crime.
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[Ben] He was very appreciated
within that community,
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so the big question is,
who would do this to him?
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[Narrator] Could the victim's
tangled personal life
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have played a role?
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They had an ongoing affair
going back to at least 2014.
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It was a very rocky relationship
from the text messages.
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[Narrator] An unexpected tip
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will bring detectives
head to head
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with a dangerous group of
criminals...
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and a twisted couple bound by
an appetite for destruction.
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This was his first real
girlfriend,
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and he was just
seein' butterflies.
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[Kendra] If you're loving him,
he loves you.
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Like, he's gonna do anything
to protect you.
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[Eric] She'd written,
"New age Bonnie & Clyde,
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ridin' together 'til
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the homicide detectives
pull us apart."
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[Jonathan] When you get into
a relationship like that,
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very few things that are good
come out of it.
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This was, unfortunately, the
perfect combination for murder.
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[theme music]
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[muffled groan]
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[gasps]
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[Narrator] Deep in
the expansive wilderness
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of Cowlitz County, Washington
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lies the small town
of Ryderwood.
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[Ben] Ryderwood's a, a neat
little community.
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It's set up around
national forest and,
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and state forest land.
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[Riley] It's a rarity that
the sheriff's office
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goes to the town of Ryderwood,
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because it's a,
it's a peaceful place
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full of retirees.
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[Narrator] But on March 18th,
2019,
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an urgent 911 call forces
law enforcement
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out to this quiet area.
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[Narrator] Deputies with
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the Cowlitz County
Sheriff's Office
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are immediately dispatched
to the scene.
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[Jordan] Ryderwood is at
the northern tip
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of our county border.
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It's a good 40-minute drive,
45-minute drive to Ryderwood.
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So, it's a very remote area.
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We sped up our response
to get to that location.
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When we arrived on scene,
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I saw a female sitting
outside the home on, on a truck.
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[Lorenzo] Like anyone would that
respond to this type of scene,
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she was quite frantic
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and wanted immediate response
from emergency services.
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[Jordan] So, we go in.
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There was blood
all over the floor.
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There was a large trauma
to the face.
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A quick pulse check helped me
verify that
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the subject was deceased,
slightly cold to the touch.
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It definitely looked like
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a gunshot wound to the,
to the facial area.
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We don't know
if this is a homicide,
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if this is
an accidental shooting.
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We secured the scene as best
we could
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and waited for
our detective unit
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and Detective Gladson
to show up.
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[Narrator] When Cowlitz County
detectives arrive,
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they begin the arduous task of
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processing the scene
for evidence.
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The victim was layin' on
his back in a pool of blood,
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and he had an apparent
gunshot wound.
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A .45-caliber casing was found
at the scene.
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[Riley] When a gunshot occurs,
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the closer a gun is held to
somebody's body,
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the closer it is, it's going to
leave these little black marks
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that are called stippling.
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There is stippling all,
all over his face.
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[Lorenzo] What that indicated to
us is that his face was
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three feet or less from
the barrel of the gun
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when he was shot and killed.
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[Narrator] While there's
no sign of forced entry,
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it's clear to detectives where
the assailant
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likely entered and exited
the home.
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[Lorenzo] The back door
was wide open.
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And there was blood
on the exterior of the door,
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which showed that
that door was open
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at the time that he was shot.
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We have a realm of
possibilities here.
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We were very interested in
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hearing what the 911 caller
had to say.
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She said that her name was
Kiann.
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She said that she was
the girlfriend of the,
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of the deceased.
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Said that she had come over to
check on him,
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because she tried to call him
earlier in the morning
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and she couldn't get
ahold of him.
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[Narrator] Kiann identifies
the victim
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as 47-year-old Travis Seiber.
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[Lorenzo] Kiann was Travis'
second alarm clock.
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Apparently, he had some
difficulties wakin' up
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early in the morning for work,
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so she decided to drive over to
his residence
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to make sure he was awake.
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She walked in and found him in
the kitchen floor,
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layin' on his back in
a pool of blood.
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[Jordan] She was exhibiting
shock or disbelief.
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You could tell it was difficult
for her to,
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to kind of comprehend what was
taking place.
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[Lorenzo] At this point in time,
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it is wide open as to who could
have done this to Travis.
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We needed more information.
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[Narrator] An avid outdoorsman,
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Travis Seiber hit the jackpot
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when he landed in Ryderwood,
Washington.
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[Ben] Travis grew up here in
Washington State,
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born and raised here.
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He's, he's one of six siblings.
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He moved to Ryderwood area
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'cause he was an outdoorsman
kind of guy.
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So, anything related to outside
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he was definitely interested
and, and active in.
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He loved fishing, loved hunting,
loved chickens,
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loved working with bees and
beehives and making honey.
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[Narrator] A jack of all trades,
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Travis worked as a logger,
a handyman,
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and a driver for
his brother's pilot car company
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[Ben] He was a pilot.
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A pilot is a, a person that
follows oversized loads.
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They would follow a truck and
clear the way,
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make sure they don't hit
bridges,
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make sure the roads are
wide enough, et cetera.
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He was very appreciated within
that community,
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and, and built a
really good reputation.
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A lot of times, he volunteered
his work.
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He had a big heart
in that respect.
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[Narrator] Over the years,
Travis had two children.
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But his romantic relationships
never seemed to last.
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[Ben] He never married, but he
did have female companions.
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In the process,
he did have kids.
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A young man, and then he
has a young daughter.
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He had a child that he was
payin' child support for
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that didn't currently live
with him.
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[Riley] Travis lived the life of
a bachelor.
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He liked to go out to the bars,
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and he liked, he liked to meet
a lot of women.
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[Narrator] And yet, he never
gave up hope
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that he would find the one...
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So when he met Kiann in 2007,
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he decided to give
the relationship a shot.
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I know Kiann really cared for
Travis.
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I know Travis
really cared for her.
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[Narrator] But on March 18th,
2019,
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Kiann finds Travis shot to deah
inside his home.
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Any homicide investigation,
a person of interest is the,
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the person to find the,
the victim.
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So, that was my interest in
speaking with her right away.
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Kiann lived with him for
a period of one year,
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but approximately three years
prior to this incident,
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she had moved out of his house
and lived in
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a separate residence
a couple of miles away.
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But she still indicated that sh
was Travis' girlfriend.
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Kiann also reported that Travis
was the victim of a burglary
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just a couple of months earlier
in January of 2019.
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She didn't offer up any
explanation as to enemies.
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So, you know, obviously robbery,
burglary,
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that could be a motive.
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But he didn't have a whole lot
of cash or other valuables
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inside of his house.
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She said that he did
have some jewelry,
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and she noticed that
that jewelry was missing.
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Travis's home had not been
ransacked,
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but what you could tell is in
Travis's bedroom,
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you could see fresh movement of
of his dresser.
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There was dust that indicated
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things had recently been
displaced.
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One of those items was
a DVD player,
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and the other item was a DVR
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that went to Travis's
surveillance system.
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[Riley] Travis had
security cameras
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across the entirety of
his house from every direction.
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The wires from
the security cameras
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went to that DVR,
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which is a hard drive, and would
show who was at his house.
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That was ripped out of his
bedroom.
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Travis's cell phone was
also taken as well.
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[Lorenzo] In the murderer's
haste to take the DVR equipment
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they knocked several envelopes
from Travis's dresser
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onto the floor.
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The murderer stepped on
the envelope
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on his way out with the DVR.
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It was apparent that
the shoeprint,
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the shoe impression that was
left on the envelope,
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was from the murderer,
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because I analyzed all of
Travis's and Kiann's shoes.
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And none of those shoes matched
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the impression that was left on
the envelope.
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[Narrator] Detectives wrap up
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their investigation
at the house,
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and notify Travis's family
of his death.
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His brother Calvin arrives
on the scene soon after.
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[Lorenzo] Well, he really didn't
have much information to offer
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as to who Travis's enemies
might be,
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who he didn't get along with,
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what problems he might be
havin' with people.
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[Ben] Travis was not the kind of
person that he would,
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he owed people money
or made threats to people.
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He was not that kinda guy,
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so the big question is,
who would do this to him?
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[Narrator] When detectives ask
his brother about
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Travis's relationship with
Kiann,
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he gives an entirely different
description from Kiann's.
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Kiann described herself as
Travis's girlfriend.
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However, Travis's brother
referred to the relationship
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between Travis and Kiann
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as an off and on relationship.
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And he didn't know what
the current status was.
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[Riley] It seemed Kiann
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was much more serious about
the relationship than Travis.
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And he said there's
several women
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that were involved with him at
the time of his murder.
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[Lorenzo] It was no secret
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within Travis's family and
friends
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that he had a multitude
of girlfriends,
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that he met women on,
on dating apps
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and on social media.
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[Narrator] Could Travis's
exploits with other women
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have sent Kiann into
a jealous rage?
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[Lorenzo] Travis's relationship
with Kiann
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was certainly very peculiar.
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Those kind of relationships can,
can, can go bad easily,
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and it was certainly a concern
of ours
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that this relationship
could've gone south.
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[Narrator] Coming up.
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The suspect list
continues to grow
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as detectives uncover
a salacious secret...
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She admitted she and Travis had
an ongoing affair.
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[Lorenzo] I'm concerned that
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this love triangle
could've gone bad.
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[Narrator] And a string of
crimes
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will put a Bonnie and Clyde duo
in their crosshairs.
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It was
a dysfunctional relationship
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from the get-go,
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that unfortunately ended up
costing someone their life.
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[music]
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,
Washington,
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detectives have just learned
that their murder victim,
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47-year-old Travis Seiber,
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was dating other women while
involved with his girlfriend
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and the 911 caller,
Kiann Meloche.
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[Lorenzo] So, my first step
was to have
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a sit-down interview with Kiann
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I had her sit in the,
the front seat of my car
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while I sat in
the driver's seat,
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and I recorded our interview.
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Kiann reported that she was last
at Travis's house
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the prior evening,
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and she estimated that she left
his house about 9:45 P.M.
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and she was home the entire time
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between 9:45 P.M. and 7:00 A.M.
the, the following morning.
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I asked her if she was okay with
us analyzing her phone,
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and she immediately turned her
phone over to the police.
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[Narrator] Once Kiann is
released,
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a deputy approaches
Detective Gladson.
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The deputy told me that there
was a woman just down the hill
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that wanted to speak with
the investigator.
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I went to the neighbor's house,
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and I spoke with the female
who advised that
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she received a text message from
Travis at 5:09 that morning.
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She wanted to relay that
information to me
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so it would help narrow down
the timeframe
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in which Travis was murdered.
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The neighbor was in the process
of making her daily coffee
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in preparation to go to
a workout class
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when Travis sent her this "Hi"
text message at 5:00 A.M.
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She said she didn't see that
text message
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until her workout class was ove
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and deputies had already arrive
on scene.
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We found a 5:00 A.M.
text message
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to a neighbor woman
who's married
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to be a, a little bit odd.
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But it was indicative to us that
Travis was alive at 5:00 A.M.
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I knew at that point that
this murder happened sometime
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between 5:00 A.M. and 7:00 A.M.
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[Narrator] Curious about the
nature of their relationship,
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detectives as the neighbor why
Travis would text her
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so early in the morning.
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She admitted she and Travis had
an ongoing affair
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going back to at least 2014.
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She revealed to us that she was
last intimate with Travis
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about eight days prior
to his murder.
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[Lorenzo] Travis's neighbor was
about Travis's age.
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She had a husband that was
significantly older.
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I asked the neighbor if her
husband was aware
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of the affair that Travis
had with her,
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and she said he was aware,
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but he did not think it was
ongoing.
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He thought it
had stopped years earlier.
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I asked her how her husband
would react
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if he had saw a message on
her cell phone
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that came from Travis.
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She said he would not be happy.
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[Narrator] Detectives consider
the possibility
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that her spouse had secretly
uncovered the betrayal.
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I'm concerned that
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with, with this love triangle
could have gone bad.
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At this point in time,
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the neighbors are
absolutely persons of interest.
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When I spoke with the husband a
his home,
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he was aware of
the past relationship
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that his wife had with Travis.
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But he didn't have any animosity
or ill will towards Travis
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stemming from that relationship
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They were neighborly with
each other.
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We hinted around at,
at the possibility
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that they were still having a...
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intimate relationship,
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and he was clearly not aware
of that.
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[Riley] I asked him if he had
a firearm.
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And he confirmed that, that they
don't have firearms,
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never have had firearms.
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He doesn't believe in firearms.
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He was very genuine.
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It just seemed unlikely due to
his age and his demeanor
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that he was involved.
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The neighbor is just simply not
a violent person.
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We asked the husband if
he believed his wife
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would be involved in the murder
of Travis, and he said no.
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[Lorenzo] I asked the neighbor
if she would allow me
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to look at her phone.
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She was very reluctant to
provide her cell phone.
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[Riley] She decided that she had
personal things
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on her phone that she didn't
wanna share with us.
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And we ended up seizing
her phone
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pursuant to the application
of a search warrant.
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[Lorenzo] One of the first
things we wanted to look at
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was her communication with
Travis in the days
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leading up to this murder.
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She had indicated that her and
Travis were gettin' along fine,
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they were great,
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their relationship was very
friendly.
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When we searched her phone,
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we found out that
that wasn't so much the case.
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It was a very rocky relationshi
from the text messages.
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There was strong language from
Travis to the neighbor.
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Travis had sent her some
messages in which
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he told her to F off.
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It was clear that he was
frustrated with
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her bein' controlling, bein'
overbearing, bein' jealous.
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[Narrator] But the neighbor's
more recent texts to Travis
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are most alarming to detectives
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Shortly after I arrived,
she sent a message that says,
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"I hope you're doin' well,
wherever you are."
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She sent him
a third message sayin' that
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she forgot to give him
his Christmas present.
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I found that really odd,
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why she would send him
text messages
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after she knew he was deceased.
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[Narrator] Detectives decide to
bring Travis's neighbor in
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for a formal interview.
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When confronted about
the text messages,
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she's quick to explain
her actions.
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The neighbor told us that she
was a very spiritual,
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deep type of person.
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And so, she felt she was
connecting with Travis
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after he passed.
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That was strange.
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Definitely
raised some questions.
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There was no direct evidence on
her phone
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showing that she was at Travis's
house that morning.
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So, while there's oddities abou
her relationship with Travis,
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we're going back to the drawing
board a little bit here.
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[Narrator] Circling back to
their original suspect,
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Travis's on again, off again
girlfriend, Kiann,
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detectives receive the results
from her cell phone.
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The call detail records for
Kiann's phone
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showed that when she called
Travis
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the morning of the homicide,
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she was at her residence.
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Her story checked out,
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and the cell phone records
substantiated that.
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We're able to rule Kiann out as
a suspect in this murder.
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[Narrator] Detectives believe
Travis's complicated love life
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still holds the key to
solving his murder.
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[Lorenzo] One of the things that
Kiann initially told us
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that Travis was missing in
addition to the DVR equipment
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was his cell phone.
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[Riley] We wrote search warrants
to ping that phone,
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and we had a pretty small
grid area
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where we believed
the phone had been ditched.
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[Lorenzo] We believed it was
discarded along State Route 506
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We conducted two search and
rescue missions in that area
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in an attempt to try and locate
that cell phone.
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[Riley] It was very
difficult terrain.
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There are blackberry bushes,
steep hills, ravines, creeks.
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Our search and rescue folks were
beatin' brush for two days
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tryin' to find this cell phone.
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[Eric] There was
a search for it,
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and they were not finding it.
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And the, the ping became more
and more faint,
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'til they weren't able to
recover it.
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[Riley] So, we do
a search warrant to Facebook,
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the dating sites that he's on,
his email, his phone records,
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and we're identifying
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all the people that he's in
contact with.
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Travis was having a lot of
relationships with
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a lot of different women,
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and some of those women were
married women.
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So, there were certainly some
concerns that
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one of these
married women's husband
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found out about
the extramarital affair
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and, and decided to take matters
into his own hands.
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[Riley] We're making
phone calls.
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We're looking through
criminal history on people
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to see if they'd be upset
or capable of this.
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In homicide investigations,
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you have to look at
every possibility.
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And a lot of times,
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the simplest answer is very
close to what happened.
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n
police are investigating
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the shooting death of
Travis Seiber,
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and his loved ones
are grappling with
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the magnitude of their loss.
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[Riley] This crime definitely
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had an impact on
the Ryderwood community.
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It's a community that people
aren't typically
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locking their door.
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They don't see
any violent crime.
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I've never heard of a murder in
Ryderwood before...
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Before this case.
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We're spinning our wheels for
three weeks,
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just goin' through data,
and we're not gettin' anywhere.
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We're just waitin'
until a lead breaks.
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This was really devastating for
my family, my wife,
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my mother-in-law,
my brother-in-laws.
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That waiting and, and
the unknown was very draining,
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but we understood, you know,
this is gonna take time.
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You gotta figure out who did it
and why.
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You know, what's their plan?
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Is there any evidence of
a suspect?
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And at, at the time,
there wasn't.
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There wasn't anything obvious.
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So, it was a whodunit type,
type case.
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[Narrator] Then, on April 8th,
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Cowlitz County detectives
receive
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case-breaking information from
the Centralia Police Departmen,
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nearly 40 miles north.
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[Riley] Essentially,
Centralia PD, since mid-March,
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was getting rocked by
downtown burglaries.
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[Tracy] There was at least
a dozen commercial businesses
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that were burglarized,
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from cell phone businesses,
coffee stands, tattoo shops,
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a Mexican restaurant.
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Mainly, they were attacking
the cash register and safes
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looking for money.
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It was almost
a nightly occurrence.
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[Lorenzo] They had assembled
a task force
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to specifically focus
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on ending this commercial
burglary ring
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that they were having.
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[Tracy] They all had
the same MO,
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the same group of individuals
committing the burglaries.
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One of the Centralia
patrol officers
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who had been working a couple of
the cases
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ended up identifying one of
the suspects
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through surveillance videos
at the stores.
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[Narrator] Centralia police
work quickly
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to apprehend the suspect,
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a 29year-old resident named
Patrick Gish.
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[Tracy] Patrick Gish was
the first one identified.
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We ended up setting up
surveillance on a residence
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at South Rock Street in
Centralia.
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We entered the residence and
located him hiding upstairs,
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and he was taken into custody.
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Patrick Gish was transported to
the police department
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and wanted to cooperate with
law enforcement.
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He admitted to participating in
burglaries.
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[Narrator] But as police
press Patrick
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about the identities of
his co-conspirators,
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he reveals a damning piece
of information.
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He told the detectives about
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a murder that occurred
in Ryderwood.
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He said that one of the other
suspects in the burglary
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used a .45-caliber pistol
to murder a guy,
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where he shot him
in the face near his back door.
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[Tracy] We were aware that there
was a homicide in Ryderwood,
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so all this information was
relayed to Detective Gladson.
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[Lorenzo] It was never
released that
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the gunshot wound was
to the face.
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It was never released that it
was by a .45-caliber gun.
490
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,555
So, with Patrick knowin'
those two things,
491
00:25:22,589 --> 00:25:25,091
we certainly wanna talk to him
right away.
492
00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:27,093
[Narrator] Cowlitz County
detectives
493
00:25:27,127 --> 00:25:30,530
immediately respond to
the Centralia Police Department
494
00:25:30,563 --> 00:25:32,499
to speak with Patrick.
495
00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:35,535
[Lorenzo] He's obviously
providing information.
496
00:25:35,568 --> 00:25:37,070
He described the gun.
497
00:25:43,309 --> 00:25:47,113
[Riley] He also told us that
the suspect took the DVR
498
00:25:47,147 --> 00:25:48,782
to the security system
499
00:25:48,815 --> 00:25:52,485
and the cell phone belonging to
the victim and got rid of it.
500
00:25:52,852 --> 00:25:55,555
[Narrator] Patrick explains that
the suspect is one of
501
00:25:55,588 --> 00:25:58,458
his fellow accomplices in
the burglary ring...
502
00:25:59,259 --> 00:26:02,696
Patrick Gish told us his friend,
Anthony DePuisaye-Green,
503
00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:04,297
who goes by "Tony",
504
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:05,699
committed this murder.
505
00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:08,034
[Lorenzo] This was the first
time that I'd heard the name
506
00:26:08,034 --> 00:26:10,036
Anthony DePuisaye-Greene
in our investigation.
507
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:18,111
[Jonathan] Tony's not a stranger
to the criminal justice system.
508
00:26:18,144 --> 00:26:21,748
He's been in and out throughout
a good portion of his life.
509
00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:24,918
[Riley] Gish got out,
came back to Centralia,
510
00:26:24,951 --> 00:26:29,622
and then Tony got out and
reconnected with Gish,
511
00:26:29,656 --> 00:26:31,091
committing burglaries.
512
00:26:31,124 --> 00:26:34,260
The way it sounded was that Tony
was the leader
513
00:26:34,294 --> 00:26:39,933
of this, this band of thieves
breaking into these businesses.
514
00:26:39,966 --> 00:26:41,668
[Narrator] According to Patrick,
515
00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:43,937
he and Tony have been crashing
at the home of
516
00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:47,874
Tony's girlfriend,
43-year-old Liz Rogan.
517
00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:07,794
When Tony and Gish and
the others were out
518
00:27:07,827 --> 00:27:09,362
committing these burglaries,
519
00:27:09,396 --> 00:27:12,032
they, they would use Liz's car,
520
00:27:12,065 --> 00:27:15,902
and Liz would act as
a, a lookout for them
521
00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:19,139
while they were breaking into
the businesses.
522
00:27:21,741 --> 00:27:23,176
[Narrator] With this
information,
523
00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:25,712
Centralia police secure
a search warrant
524
00:27:25,745 --> 00:27:27,047
for Liz's home...
525
00:27:27,447 --> 00:27:28,915
But she isn't there.
526
00:27:30,283 --> 00:27:33,820
On her property, however,
they make a crucial discovery.
527
00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:36,423
One of the huge pieces of
evidence that was
528
00:27:36,456 --> 00:27:38,224
recovered from Ms. Rogan's
residence
529
00:27:38,258 --> 00:27:39,859
was the firearm.
530
00:27:39,893 --> 00:27:41,227
It was determined to be
531
00:27:41,261 --> 00:27:42,896
the firearm that was used in
the murder.
532
00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:45,932
The gun was just in, hiding in
plain sight, if you will.
533
00:27:46,366 --> 00:27:50,070
There was a bag that was hangin
on the fence
534
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:51,571
at the front of the residence.
535
00:27:51,604 --> 00:27:52,639
I looked into the bag,
536
00:27:52,672 --> 00:27:57,610
and there's a Colt .45 1911
sittin' in the bag.
537
00:27:59,612 --> 00:28:02,615
[music]
538
00:28:11,056 --> 00:28:14,026
Cowlitz County and Centralia
police agencies
539
00:28:14,026 --> 00:28:17,796
have uncovered the murder weapo
at Liz Rogan's residence.
540
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:22,167
Detectives surveil the home
in hopes Liz will return.
541
00:28:23,302 --> 00:28:25,037
[Tracy] Liz showed up later in
the day.
542
00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:27,806
She was a little
nervous and apprehensive.
543
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,777
She was hesitant in
answering questions.
544
00:28:32,411 --> 00:28:35,080
Liz was actually transported
545
00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:38,884
to the Centralia Police
Department to give an interview
546
00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:44,089
[Narrator] When Cowlitz County
detectives sit down with Liz
547
00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:46,792
and question her about
Travis Seiber,
548
00:28:46,825 --> 00:28:49,862
she explains
an unexpected connection.
549
00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:14,820
[Narrator] According to Liz,
550
00:29:14,853 --> 00:29:17,790
she kept her dating profile
active,
551
00:29:17,823 --> 00:29:20,359
which is where she met
Tony DePuisaye-Greene
552
00:29:20,392 --> 00:29:22,361
in late 2018.
553
00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:26,365
And they began dating in just
the months prior to this murder.
554
00:29:27,032 --> 00:29:28,033
[Riley] They hit it off fast.
555
00:29:28,067 --> 00:29:31,136
They were out spending money,
going to casinos.
556
00:29:31,937 --> 00:29:33,806
[Lorenzo] It wasn't long after
they began dating that
557
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,208
they started committin'
burglaries together.
558
00:29:36,241 --> 00:29:37,343
And a lot of them.
559
00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:39,144
[Jonathan] When you look at
Liz's history,
560
00:29:39,178 --> 00:29:42,448
she is not a stranger to
the criminal justice system.
561
00:29:42,481 --> 00:29:44,149
None of these folks really were.
562
00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:47,653
They enjoyed this Bonnie and
Clyde lifestyle.
563
00:29:47,686 --> 00:29:48,821
They were, they were lovin' it.
564
00:29:48,854 --> 00:29:50,689
They were,
they were eatin' it up.
565
00:29:52,858 --> 00:29:54,093
[Narrator] But Liz claims that
566
00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:56,328
not long into their
relationship,
567
00:29:56,362 --> 00:30:00,399
she began to encounter
a darker side to Tony.
568
00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:17,616
She implied that Tony was very
controlling,
569
00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:20,052
that she was fearful of him.
570
00:30:20,085 --> 00:30:23,389
Tony has been described as
having an explosive temper.
571
00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:28,394
One night, Tony was going
through her dating websites
572
00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:31,997
and found a message
from Travis to her.
573
00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:46,045
That message upset Tony,
574
00:30:46,078 --> 00:30:50,382
so Tony comes up with
the idea to rob Travis.
575
00:30:50,916 --> 00:30:54,687
That idea consists of Liz
distracting Travis,
576
00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:57,723
and while they're engaged
inside,
577
00:30:57,756 --> 00:31:00,893
Tony is gonna
burglarize the residence.
578
00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:07,099
[Narrator] According to Liz,
on March 17th,
579
00:31:07,132 --> 00:31:09,935
Tony told her to take him to
Travis's house
580
00:31:09,968 --> 00:31:11,970
so they could execute the plan.
581
00:32:16,468 --> 00:32:18,170
[Lorenzo] She was yelling
for Tony,
582
00:32:18,203 --> 00:32:20,472
but she realized that he
had ran around to the back door
583
00:32:20,506 --> 00:32:21,807
because she could hear
584
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,975
the yellin' and screamin'
back there,
585
00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:25,144
and then she heard
the single gunshot.
586
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:30,149
She says she panicked and she
wanted to leave,
587
00:32:30,182 --> 00:32:32,184
but she couldn't leave
because Tony had the keys.
588
00:32:32,818 --> 00:32:35,621
When Tony finally emerges from
Travis's residence,
589
00:32:35,654 --> 00:32:39,525
he's got what she described as,
as these black boxes
590
00:32:39,558 --> 00:32:42,194
in his hands he's,
that he's carrying.
591
00:32:42,795 --> 00:32:44,163
And he gets in
the passenger seat,
592
00:32:44,196 --> 00:32:45,397
and they drive off.
593
00:32:59,111 --> 00:33:00,312
She portrayed herself as
594
00:33:00,346 --> 00:33:02,147
the victim throughout
this whole thing,
595
00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:04,083
and portrayed
Tony as the monster.
596
00:33:04,683 --> 00:33:08,053
[Narrator] When detectives press
Liz about Tony's whereabouts,
597
00:33:08,087 --> 00:33:10,055
she says she doesn't know.
598
00:33:10,689 --> 00:33:14,960
But authorities are able to
track down his relatives nearby
599
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:16,695
A detective showed up,
and he was like,
600
00:33:16,729 --> 00:33:18,697
"Hey, can I ask you
a few questions?"
601
00:33:18,731 --> 00:33:19,898
And I was like,
"Yeah, of course."
602
00:33:19,932 --> 00:33:21,633
Like, I have nothing to hide.
You know?
603
00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:24,336
[Narrator] Tony's family is
stunned to learn of
604
00:33:24,370 --> 00:33:27,873
his alleged involvement in
Travis Seiber's murder.
605
00:33:27,906 --> 00:33:29,875
I was shocked and kinda...
606
00:33:29,908 --> 00:33:31,210
bummed.
607
00:33:31,243 --> 00:33:33,078
I was like, "How could he have
done this?"
608
00:33:33,545 --> 00:33:35,314
I didn't really
know what to think.
609
00:33:36,949 --> 00:33:40,586
What we learned was that Tony
had a dysfunctional upbringing.
610
00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:41,854
He had a difficult childhood.
611
00:33:42,588 --> 00:33:45,257
Tony and I, my brothers
and sisters,
612
00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:47,626
I believe there's
nine of us that I know of.
613
00:33:48,127 --> 00:33:49,928
[Lorenzo] He had spent most of
his teenage years
614
00:33:49,962 --> 00:33:51,597
in and out of juvenile.
615
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,933
When he became adult,
he continued that trend.
616
00:33:54,967 --> 00:33:56,802
He spent most of his adult life
in prison.
617
00:33:57,469 --> 00:33:59,338
[Riley] Tony was
a very violent person.
618
00:33:59,371 --> 00:34:02,241
He has a long history
of violent crimes.
619
00:34:02,908 --> 00:34:04,343
[Lorenzo] He was released
from prison
620
00:34:04,376 --> 00:34:06,445
just, just months
before this murder.
621
00:34:07,212 --> 00:34:10,649
Tony gets out of prison,
and he meets Elizabeth Rogan.
622
00:34:11,283 --> 00:34:13,252
[Narrator] According to Tony's
family,
623
00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:16,455
he and Liz shared
a passionate connection.
624
00:34:17,122 --> 00:34:19,925
[Riley] Tony was infatuated
with, with Liz.
625
00:34:19,958 --> 00:34:21,727
This was his first
real girlfriend,
626
00:34:22,294 --> 00:34:24,630
and he was just
seein' butterflies.
627
00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:28,167
[Kendra] If he knows you're
loving him, he loves you.
628
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,303
Like, he's gonna do anything
it takes to protect you,
629
00:34:31,337 --> 00:34:34,239
to love you, to cherish you,
no matter what it be.
630
00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,742
[Lorenzo] So, it wasn't long
after they begin dating that
631
00:34:36,775 --> 00:34:39,611
Liz moved Tony into her house.
632
00:34:42,314 --> 00:34:44,416
[Narrator] After speaking with
Tony's family,
633
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:46,652
authorities finally
track him down
634
00:34:46,685 --> 00:34:48,220
when he arrives at his home.
635
00:34:48,253 --> 00:34:51,190
He is taken into custody
without incident.
636
00:34:52,825 --> 00:34:55,327
[Lorenzo] I brought Tony into
an interview room.
637
00:34:55,828 --> 00:34:57,296
I read him his rights.
638
00:34:57,329 --> 00:35:00,232
And I told him this was
regarding the murder
639
00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:01,767
that occurred in Ryderwood,
640
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,404
expecting a significant respons
and reaction from him.
641
00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:07,906
And is all he did was smile.
642
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:09,675
He lawyered up, as they say.
643
00:35:10,409 --> 00:35:13,345
He was very confident and cocky.
644
00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:15,681
[Lorenzo] There's certainly
a lot of more evidence
645
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:17,049
that needs collected
646
00:35:17,049 --> 00:35:18,784
to prove his guilt beyond
a reasonable doubt,
647
00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:20,052
but at this point,
648
00:35:20,052 --> 00:35:21,787
I have established
probable cause
649
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:23,689
that he committed this crime.
650
00:35:25,090 --> 00:35:27,926
[Narrator] Authorities also
arrest Liz Rogan
651
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,396
and charge her with
Travis's murder.
652
00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:33,632
[Lorenzo] Liz claimed that she
acted under duress because
653
00:35:33,666 --> 00:35:36,168
she did what Tony told her to,
because he had a gun.
654
00:35:36,602 --> 00:35:39,071
I later spoke with
other people who are
655
00:35:39,071 --> 00:35:41,640
closely connected to both Liz...
656
00:35:41,674 --> 00:35:43,075
and Tony,
657
00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:44,810
and they advised that
the relationship wasn't
658
00:35:44,843 --> 00:35:46,178
at all that way.
659
00:35:46,211 --> 00:35:48,747
That Liz could hold her own,
660
00:35:48,781 --> 00:35:51,717
and that she oftentimes told
Tony what to do.
661
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:54,286
She's tryin' to be dismissive
of her involvement
662
00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:56,088
and pin this all on Tony.
663
00:35:57,389 --> 00:36:00,059
[Narrator] When detectives
search Liz's car,
664
00:36:00,092 --> 00:36:02,561
their suspicions are confirmed.
665
00:36:02,594 --> 00:36:08,267
When the search warrant's served
on Liz's car, a diary's located.
666
00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:12,304
[Lorenzo] Inside the front cover
of that diary, she had written,
667
00:36:12,338 --> 00:36:14,840
"The new age Bonnie and Clyde,
ridin' together
668
00:36:14,873 --> 00:36:16,208
until the wheels fall off
669
00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:18,243
and the homicide detectives
pry us apart."
670
00:36:18,877 --> 00:36:21,680
Usually, you see remorse in
situations like that,
671
00:36:21,714 --> 00:36:27,219
and Liz is glorifying it and
making it romantic in her diary.
672
00:36:30,289 --> 00:36:31,557
[Narrator] Coming up.
673
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:34,093
Authorities face
challenging questions
674
00:36:34,126 --> 00:36:36,595
as they prepare for their day
in court.
675
00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:38,897
He told me that the man was on
top of her,
676
00:36:38,931 --> 00:36:40,466
and she was yelling,
"Help, help."
677
00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:44,169
He painted this picture of
unwelcome sexual behavior,
678
00:36:44,203 --> 00:36:45,804
then came to the rescue.
679
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:49,274
[music]
680
00:36:55,648 --> 00:36:58,251
Cowlitz County, Washington
681
00:36:58,284 --> 00:37:00,854
have arrested Liz Rogan and
her boyfriend,
682
00:37:00,887 --> 00:37:02,589
Tony DePuisaye-Greene,
683
00:37:02,889 --> 00:37:05,258
for the murder of Travis Seiber
684
00:37:05,291 --> 00:37:09,095
While the crime's true
mastermind is still unclear,
685
00:37:09,129 --> 00:37:11,464
authorities believe that
Liz played
686
00:37:11,498 --> 00:37:14,034
a much larger role
than she has claimed.
687
00:37:14,901 --> 00:37:18,271
She's dating a 26-year-old man
who will do essentially
688
00:37:18,304 --> 00:37:19,873
whatever she asks of him.
689
00:37:19,906 --> 00:37:23,209
She's gettin' to live this wild,
crazy lifestyle
690
00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:25,845
all on his dime
all on his crime,
691
00:37:25,879 --> 00:37:28,415
and she's just
enjoying every minute of it.
692
00:37:29,849 --> 00:37:32,352
[Narrator] When detectives
execute a search warrant
693
00:37:32,385 --> 00:37:35,255
on Liz and Tony's
cell phone records,
694
00:37:35,288 --> 00:37:37,857
they find more evidence that
links the couple
695
00:37:37,891 --> 00:37:39,659
to the January burglary
696
00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:42,962
Travis's girlfriend Kiann
had told them about.
697
00:37:43,496 --> 00:37:46,933
And what this communication
between Tony and Liz revealed,
698
00:37:46,966 --> 00:37:50,337
on January 18th, two months to
the day before the murder,
699
00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:54,174
was they went out there with
a specific plan
700
00:37:54,207 --> 00:37:56,743
for Liz to go in
and distract Travis
701
00:37:56,776 --> 00:37:58,945
while Tony burglarized
his house.
702
00:37:59,879 --> 00:38:03,650
She's feeding Travis drinks,
tryin' to get him to pass out.
703
00:38:04,351 --> 00:38:05,919
All the while,
704
00:38:06,019 --> 00:38:08,321
texting Tony,
705
00:38:08,355 --> 00:38:11,157
telling Tony, "Valuables here."
706
00:38:11,191 --> 00:38:13,893
Telling him what there is
to take.
707
00:38:14,894 --> 00:38:16,896
Eventually Travis gets to
the point where
708
00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:18,498
he is intoxicated.
709
00:38:19,733 --> 00:38:21,701
Tony's tellin' Liz,
"There's not much here.
710
00:38:21,735 --> 00:38:23,536
Where am I supposed to look?
I don't see any money."
711
00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:25,271
You know, not much for
valuables.
712
00:38:25,905 --> 00:38:27,607
And they decide to
get out of there.
713
00:38:28,541 --> 00:38:31,444
That was really
the key discovery in the case,
714
00:38:31,478 --> 00:38:33,713
key evidence, because it told us
715
00:38:33,747 --> 00:38:35,648
a lot more about
what was going on.
716
00:38:35,682 --> 00:38:37,851
And, and that was
that two months later,
717
00:38:37,884 --> 00:38:39,519
they would return,
718
00:38:39,552 --> 00:38:42,222
and Tony would murder
Travis Seiber.
719
00:38:46,593 --> 00:38:49,362
[Narrator] Working alongside
the Centralia police,
720
00:38:49,396 --> 00:38:51,531
Cowlitz detectives find evidenc
721
00:38:51,564 --> 00:38:54,234
that bolsters their case
against Tony.
722
00:38:54,801 --> 00:38:56,803
[Tracy] At the scene,
on an envelope,
723
00:38:56,836 --> 00:38:59,272
there was a shoe tread
impression.
724
00:38:59,739 --> 00:39:02,242
We had the lab analyze that.
725
00:39:02,275 --> 00:39:05,478
And ultimately, the lab found it
belonged to
726
00:39:05,512 --> 00:39:07,847
a certain type of FUBU shoe.
727
00:39:07,881 --> 00:39:11,818
Detectives were able to get
surveillance video
728
00:39:11,851 --> 00:39:14,387
that showed Tony wearing
a FUBU shoe,
729
00:39:14,421 --> 00:39:16,756
which became very important.
730
00:39:17,223 --> 00:39:20,527
We found five instances before
the murder
731
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,395
in which we found Tony on video.
732
00:39:22,429 --> 00:39:24,264
And all five of those instances,
733
00:39:24,297 --> 00:39:27,600
he's wearin' black midnight
FUBU shoes.
734
00:39:27,934 --> 00:39:30,036
Also, Patrick Gish,
the informant,
735
00:39:30,036 --> 00:39:34,507
and Liz told me that Tony wore
black FUBU shoes
736
00:39:34,541 --> 00:39:36,309
up to the point to the murder.
737
00:39:37,043 --> 00:39:39,779
And that he had not seen
him wear those same shoes
738
00:39:39,813 --> 00:39:41,047
after the murder.
739
00:39:42,415 --> 00:39:45,251
[Narrator] While detectives are
unable to recover the sneakers,
740
00:39:45,285 --> 00:39:47,620
the evidence is overwhelming.
741
00:39:48,388 --> 00:39:50,690
But as authorities
prepare for trial,
742
00:39:50,724 --> 00:39:53,293
Tony makes a startling claim.
743
00:39:53,326 --> 00:39:56,596
I was interested in listening to
Tony's phone calls from prison
744
00:39:56,629 --> 00:39:58,098
after this murder.
745
00:39:58,331 --> 00:39:59,833
And in those phone calls,
746
00:39:59,866 --> 00:40:02,469
he painted this picture of
Travis having
747
00:40:02,502 --> 00:40:05,305
unwelcome sexual behavior
towards Liz.
748
00:40:05,338 --> 00:40:06,406
And he came to the rescue.
749
00:40:07,607 --> 00:40:09,042
[Kendra] I had had a visit with
him in prison,
750
00:40:09,075 --> 00:40:12,012
and Tony told me that he heard
screaming.
751
00:40:12,045 --> 00:40:14,481
He went up to the window
and had seen that the man
752
00:40:14,514 --> 00:40:16,516
was on top of her
with his pants down,
753
00:40:16,549 --> 00:40:18,685
and she was yelling,
"Help, help."
754
00:40:18,718 --> 00:40:21,054
And he tried to get in the door,
755
00:40:21,087 --> 00:40:23,423
and the guy had met him at
the door with a gun.
756
00:40:23,456 --> 00:40:25,291
And they wrestled around for
a little bit,
757
00:40:25,325 --> 00:40:28,161
and Tony ended up
with the gun and shot him.
758
00:40:29,029 --> 00:40:30,663
[Lorenzo] There is no evidence
whatsoever
759
00:40:30,697 --> 00:40:33,366
that Liz was ever
attacked by Travis that day.
760
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:35,402
There was no evidence at all
that there was
761
00:40:35,435 --> 00:40:36,703
an actual struggle,
762
00:40:36,736 --> 00:40:38,672
a physical struggle between
Travis and Tony
763
00:40:38,705 --> 00:40:40,206
anywhere near the back door.
764
00:40:41,107 --> 00:40:43,677
What we do know is the back doo
was opened,
765
00:40:43,710 --> 00:40:46,012
where I believe Tony just
marched in,
766
00:40:46,046 --> 00:40:48,715
stuck the gun right in
Travis's face.
767
00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:51,584
He pulled the trigger.
768
00:40:54,454 --> 00:40:57,257
[Riley] I think Travis was
killed
769
00:40:57,290 --> 00:41:00,894
because Tony was
infatuated with Liz,
770
00:41:02,062 --> 00:41:04,230
and I think there was
a jealousy factor.
771
00:41:04,597 --> 00:41:07,067
[Jonathan] It was
a dysfunctional relationship
772
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:08,068
from the get-go,
773
00:41:09,269 --> 00:41:12,405
that unfortunately ended up
costing someone their life.
774
00:41:12,972 --> 00:41:15,742
And when you get into
a relationship like that,
775
00:41:15,775 --> 00:41:19,145
very few things that are good
come out of it.
776
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,115
[Riley] Liz and Tony's
personalities,
777
00:41:22,148 --> 00:41:25,352
when you put those
together and you factor in
778
00:41:25,385 --> 00:41:27,454
Tony's violent nature...
779
00:41:27,487 --> 00:41:29,422
And then you take Liz,
780
00:41:29,456 --> 00:41:31,424
where she's very self-centered
781
00:41:31,458 --> 00:41:35,095
and romanticizes Tony's
behavior,
782
00:41:35,095 --> 00:41:36,396
this was, unfortunately,
783
00:41:36,429 --> 00:41:39,099
the perfect combination for
what we saw.
784
00:41:39,099 --> 00:41:43,937
[music]
785
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:46,740
[Narrator] Ultimately, Liz is
given the opportunity
786
00:41:46,773 --> 00:41:48,108
to reduce her charges.
787
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:52,345
There was an agreement reached
with Liz, through her attorney,
788
00:41:52,379 --> 00:41:57,817
that she would agree to testify
truthfully against Tony
789
00:41:57,851 --> 00:41:59,552
in his trial.
790
00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:02,155
And she would plead guilty,
ultimately,
791
00:42:02,188 --> 00:42:06,059
to murder in the second degree
and a 15-year sentence.
792
00:42:08,094 --> 00:42:11,364
[Narrator] With the prospect of
Liz testifying against him,
793
00:42:11,398 --> 00:42:13,733
Tony also accepts a plea deal.
794
00:42:13,767 --> 00:42:17,837
We ended up making an offer to
Tony to plead guilty
795
00:42:17,871 --> 00:42:22,308
to murder in the first degree
and 45 years in prison.
796
00:42:23,143 --> 00:42:25,445
[Lorenzo] We're very fortunate
that he received
797
00:42:25,478 --> 00:42:27,080
a 45-year sentence.
798
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,449
I don't know that I've ever
investigated a murderer
799
00:42:29,482 --> 00:42:31,584
who I felt was more likely to
kill again
800
00:42:31,618 --> 00:42:33,286
than I feel about Tony.
801
00:42:33,687 --> 00:42:35,188
He's just
a dangerous individual,
802
00:42:35,221 --> 00:42:36,790
and he needs to be in prison.
803
00:42:38,091 --> 00:42:39,626
[Lorenzo] Liz is equally
dangerous.
804
00:42:39,659 --> 00:42:41,227
I don't believe that she's
sad that
805
00:42:41,261 --> 00:42:43,229
Travis' family is grieving.
806
00:42:43,263 --> 00:42:45,699
I believe that she's sad that
she's sittin' in prison.
807
00:42:46,933 --> 00:42:48,702
[Riley] Throughout this
investigation,
808
00:42:48,735 --> 00:42:52,672
Liz never grasped the concept o
what she did.
809
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,608
She glorified what they did,
810
00:42:55,642 --> 00:42:59,512
and she was the catalyst to,
to what happened.
811
00:43:00,747 --> 00:43:02,215
[Ben] She should've got more.
812
00:43:02,682 --> 00:43:04,050
She's the one that caused
813
00:43:04,084 --> 00:43:06,786
the ultimate outcome of
this investigation.
814
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:09,155
If it wasn't for her,
this would've never happened.
815
00:43:10,457 --> 00:43:12,392
Now we don't have Travis,
816
00:43:12,425 --> 00:43:14,361
and the family grieved for
years.
817
00:43:14,694 --> 00:43:16,663
Yeah, nothing will change that.
818
00:43:16,696 --> 00:43:19,632
The way to remember Travis was
he was very caring,
819
00:43:19,666 --> 00:43:21,067
he had a big heart.
820
00:43:21,067 --> 00:43:24,137
He definitely loved his family,
you know, and, and he's missed.
821
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:28,708
[music]
822
00:43:29,075 --> 00:43:40,954
[music]