1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,963 [ominous music] 2 00:00:04,963 --> 00:00:11,595 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:11,595 --> 00:00:16,475 - Everything I thought my life was going to be... 4 00:00:16,475 --> 00:00:18,769 it's nothing like it. 5 00:00:18,769 --> 00:00:22,940 When it comes to my stepfather sexually molesting me, 6 00:00:22,940 --> 00:00:25,776 I still think about it to this day. 7 00:00:25,776 --> 00:00:28,487 ♪ ♪ 8 00:00:28,487 --> 00:00:31,698 After Justin got arrested, 9 00:00:31,698 --> 00:00:34,785 he was constantly trying to get me to recant... 10 00:00:34,785 --> 00:00:37,454 ♪ ♪ 11 00:00:37,454 --> 00:00:39,248 And change the story. 12 00:00:39,248 --> 00:00:42,209 [dramatic music] 13 00:00:42,209 --> 00:00:46,838 ♪ ♪ 14 00:00:46,838 --> 00:00:49,841 And I got to a point where I was like, I need it to stop. 15 00:00:49,841 --> 00:00:53,095 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:53,095 --> 00:00:54,554 - Tyler's young. 17 00:00:54,554 --> 00:00:56,056 He's a teenager. 18 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:59,309 It was a tremendous amount of stress to put on someone. 19 00:00:59,309 --> 00:01:00,727 - It obviously ate at him, 20 00:01:00,727 --> 00:01:02,771 and I think he carried so much of the weight 21 00:01:02,771 --> 00:01:05,190 of, like, "Well, I'm the reason 22 00:01:05,190 --> 00:01:06,775 "Mom doesn't have the house with the pool. 23 00:01:06,775 --> 00:01:09,194 "I'm the reason Mom doesn't have a husband anymore. 24 00:01:09,194 --> 00:01:11,363 I'm the reason the kids don't know their dad." 25 00:01:11,363 --> 00:01:12,906 ♪ ♪ 26 00:01:12,906 --> 00:01:16,451 - And it led to Tyler wanting to take his own life. 27 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:18,328 ♪ ♪ 28 00:01:18,328 --> 00:01:21,582 - How did knowing this make you feel? 29 00:01:21,582 --> 00:01:24,084 And what was going through your mind as a mother? 30 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:25,919 STACEY: I think I just thought, like, 31 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:27,879 everything that Justin took from him. 32 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:29,798 And then here we are. 33 00:01:29,798 --> 00:01:32,426 You know, he--Tyler doesn't even want to live anymore. 34 00:01:32,426 --> 00:01:34,011 ♪ ♪ 35 00:01:34,011 --> 00:01:37,931 And I just kept thinking, like, when is it going to end? 36 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:40,934 [ominous music] 37 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:42,561 ♪ ♪ 38 00:01:43,562 --> 00:01:46,648 [dramatic music] 39 00:01:46,648 --> 00:01:53,655 ♪ ♪ 40 00:02:02,581 --> 00:02:05,709 ANDREA: When Tyler attempts suicide, 41 00:02:05,709 --> 00:02:06,918 he goes into a facility. 42 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:09,796 And it's there where something changes. 43 00:02:09,796 --> 00:02:12,424 TYLER: I stayed for around a week. 44 00:02:12,424 --> 00:02:14,634 I started working on myself. 45 00:02:16,887 --> 00:02:19,973 - There are times when you really need to stop, 46 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:23,894 and then you can figure out what to do next. 47 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:28,982 It's never too late to talk, and it's never too late 48 00:02:28,982 --> 00:02:33,987 for men to take those first steps of recovery. 49 00:02:33,987 --> 00:02:38,492 Ultimately, that's the journey of a trauma survivor. 50 00:02:38,492 --> 00:02:39,618 [soft music] 51 00:02:39,618 --> 00:02:40,869 ANDREA: Tyler going away 52 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:42,913 really strengthens him. 53 00:02:42,913 --> 00:02:45,457 But after that, there's a trial 54 00:02:45,457 --> 00:02:47,668 where he's going to have to go on the stand 55 00:02:47,668 --> 00:02:49,920 and testify to what happened to him. 56 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,047 But nobody wants that for him, 57 00:02:52,047 --> 00:02:54,299 because he's already carrying so much. 58 00:02:54,299 --> 00:02:59,221 And so ultimately, the DA offers Justin a plea deal. 59 00:02:59,221 --> 00:03:02,516 STACEY: 15 to 30 years for the original charges 60 00:03:02,516 --> 00:03:05,560 of invasion of privacy, rape of a child, 61 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,897 and rape of an unconscious victim. 62 00:03:08,897 --> 00:03:10,607 MEG: My name is Meg McCallum. 63 00:03:10,607 --> 00:03:13,235 I am a supervising assistant district attorney 64 00:03:13,235 --> 00:03:15,529 with the Berks County District Attorney's office 65 00:03:15,529 --> 00:03:17,864 in Reading, Pennsylvania. 66 00:03:17,864 --> 00:03:20,492 Most cases end up in a plea agreement, 67 00:03:20,492 --> 00:03:22,911 but Justin turned it down. 68 00:03:22,911 --> 00:03:25,539 - We thought we were going to go to trial. 69 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:26,957 MIKAYLA: That's where I was getting annoyed, 70 00:03:26,957 --> 00:03:29,668 because I was like, why do we need to go to trial? 71 00:03:29,668 --> 00:03:32,045 Just save everybody the bullshit, 72 00:03:32,045 --> 00:03:35,549 admit your wrongdoings, and let's move on. 73 00:03:35,549 --> 00:03:37,175 [message dings] 74 00:03:37,175 --> 00:03:40,178 [ominous music] 75 00:03:40,178 --> 00:03:44,182 ♪ ♪ 76 00:03:44,182 --> 00:03:48,311 STACEY: At that time, Justin's letters to me 77 00:03:48,311 --> 00:03:51,731 kind of started to slack off, 78 00:03:51,731 --> 00:03:55,360 and he stopped asking about Tyler recanting. 79 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,655 - The communication with Stacey basically stops, 80 00:03:58,655 --> 00:04:00,866 but he's writing to Nanny. 81 00:04:00,866 --> 00:04:03,660 And in these letters, he's getting more desperate. 82 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:06,371 His freedom is in the balance. 83 00:04:06,371 --> 00:04:08,290 ♪ ♪ 84 00:04:08,290 --> 00:04:10,459 - The detectives called me and said that they had 85 00:04:10,459 --> 00:04:14,171 intercepted letters between Justin and Nanny 86 00:04:14,171 --> 00:04:17,883 where he was asking her to kill Tyler. 87 00:04:17,883 --> 00:04:19,092 MIKE: My name is Mike Fick. 88 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:20,302 I'm a sergeant with the Berks County 89 00:04:20,302 --> 00:04:21,595 District Attorney's office. 90 00:04:21,595 --> 00:04:24,514 He felt if he could eliminate Tyler, 91 00:04:24,514 --> 00:04:27,684 he wasn't worried about the other victim, 92 00:04:27,684 --> 00:04:30,645 because he felt that that case would not have 93 00:04:30,645 --> 00:04:34,107 been that strong, and then that case would go away. 94 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:37,444 - I almost just found it humorous. 95 00:04:37,444 --> 00:04:41,448 She's almost 70 years old, 96 00:04:41,448 --> 00:04:45,035 smokes like a damn chimney. 97 00:04:45,035 --> 00:04:47,412 [laughs] Like that's going to happen. 98 00:04:47,412 --> 00:04:50,081 But it did kind of start to not get so funny 99 00:04:50,081 --> 00:04:53,794 when I found out through detectives that those letters 100 00:04:53,794 --> 00:04:57,214 turned into him trying to find somebody to murder me. 101 00:04:57,214 --> 00:04:59,591 MIKE: Detective Weaver and I actually drove to her house 102 00:04:59,591 --> 00:05:03,845 and confronted her about the jailhouse letters. 103 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:05,931 ♪ ♪ 104 00:05:05,931 --> 00:05:08,266 She really didn't want to cooperate. 105 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:11,269 And at that point, I was thinking of 106 00:05:11,269 --> 00:05:13,814 trying to charge her as a co-defendant, 107 00:05:13,814 --> 00:05:17,400 because in the letters, Justin was asking her 108 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,613 to locate someone to have Tyler killed. 109 00:05:21,613 --> 00:05:23,198 And I mentioned that to her, 110 00:05:23,198 --> 00:05:26,618 and then I believe she felt a little different then. 111 00:05:26,618 --> 00:05:30,330 I asked her, "Why wouldn't you go and report that?" 112 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:34,376 And she said, "Because I know that 113 00:05:34,376 --> 00:05:36,294 I wasn't going to do anything about it." 114 00:05:36,294 --> 00:05:39,005 ♪ ♪ 115 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:40,924 - You know, I just pulled one of the letters 116 00:05:40,924 --> 00:05:42,509 that he wrote to Nanny D. 117 00:05:42,509 --> 00:05:47,597 And when you read the severity in which he's writing about 118 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:50,183 this murder-for-hire plot, it's really serious. 119 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:53,228 I mean, he writes, "No more fucking around. 120 00:05:53,228 --> 00:05:56,022 "We both tried to avoid this by asking nicely. 121 00:05:56,022 --> 00:05:57,691 "Please just do it. 122 00:05:57,691 --> 00:05:58,733 "I am begging you. 123 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:00,694 "It needs to be done ASAP. 124 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:03,488 "It's either you or take a bus and you go 125 00:06:03,488 --> 00:06:05,740 "downtown Martinsburg and look for a druggie. 126 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:06,908 "Just get it done. 127 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:09,995 "Offer 5 to 10, pay after, cash. 128 00:06:09,995 --> 00:06:11,913 "It's either that or me. 129 00:06:11,913 --> 00:06:13,582 "And if you don't choose for me, 130 00:06:13,582 --> 00:06:16,334 I'll assume you don't believe me, Nanny." 131 00:06:16,334 --> 00:06:18,878 I mean, he seems really serious about this. 132 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:21,548 - Mm-hmm. 133 00:06:21,548 --> 00:06:24,467 - You know, when the police came down to tell me that, 134 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:26,219 I was--I was devastated. 135 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:28,263 ♪ ♪ 136 00:06:28,263 --> 00:06:31,224 TOMMY: It became really real that, like, 137 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:33,476 this dude's actively trying to kill my family. 138 00:06:33,476 --> 00:06:35,395 - You've already taken so much, right? 139 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:37,522 Like, you stripped his childhood from him. 140 00:06:37,522 --> 00:06:40,692 And now you want to take his life too? 141 00:06:40,692 --> 00:06:43,445 I get being desperate, man, but, like, come on now. 142 00:06:43,445 --> 00:06:46,197 ♪ ♪ 143 00:06:46,197 --> 00:06:49,576 MIKE: When we got possession of the jailhouse letters, 144 00:06:49,576 --> 00:06:53,038 I wanted to arrest him for that. 145 00:06:53,038 --> 00:06:56,750 At that point, we were told they felt we needed more. 146 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:59,419 ♪ ♪ 147 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:02,380 STACEY: They just kept saying that he was blowing smoke. 148 00:07:02,380 --> 00:07:05,425 That's not blowing smoke, you know, making a plan. 149 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:07,010 - Specific as shit. 150 00:07:07,010 --> 00:07:08,345 - Specific. - Yeah. 151 00:07:08,345 --> 00:07:10,263 - Right. - That's not blowing smoke. 152 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:12,265 - We're talking about your son's life. 153 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:13,975 - Yeah. 154 00:07:13,975 --> 00:07:17,145 [tense music] 155 00:07:17,145 --> 00:07:20,523 ♪ ♪ 156 00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:23,568 - Justin had went to his cellmate at the time 157 00:07:23,568 --> 00:07:25,987 and went to him about killing me, 158 00:07:25,987 --> 00:07:28,740 because he was due to get out. 159 00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:30,575 And he told the police. 160 00:07:30,575 --> 00:07:32,661 ♪ ♪ 161 00:07:32,661 --> 00:07:34,829 MIKAYLA: They asked if they could wire him, 162 00:07:34,829 --> 00:07:36,998 and he said yes. 163 00:07:36,998 --> 00:07:38,667 ♪ ♪ 164 00:07:38,667 --> 00:07:40,710 And so that's how they got exactly 165 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:43,463 what he was planning to do. 166 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:47,509 STACEY: The person was to wait in our driveway. 167 00:07:47,509 --> 00:07:49,302 And when Tyler got off work, 168 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:53,807 they were to kill him painlessly. 169 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:56,851 And then he wanted him either buried in a forest 170 00:07:56,851 --> 00:07:59,229 or burned in a barrel. 171 00:07:59,229 --> 00:08:01,690 MIKE: He actually gave details 172 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:06,486 and had given him a layout of the home and, you know, 173 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:10,198 explained different scenarios on how to kill him. 174 00:08:10,198 --> 00:08:12,784 You know, make sure that there's no evidence, 175 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:14,244 and said, "When I get out of here, 176 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:15,912 I'll make sure that you're comfortable." 177 00:08:15,912 --> 00:08:18,123 He stepped way over that line. 178 00:08:18,123 --> 00:08:21,960 ♪ ♪ 179 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,046 ANDREA: And that led to additional charges 180 00:08:25,046 --> 00:08:27,590 being filed against Justin 181 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:31,302 for solicitation to commit murder. 182 00:08:31,302 --> 00:08:34,139 ♪ ♪ 183 00:08:34,139 --> 00:08:36,725 - A doctor who's in jail is now accused 184 00:08:36,725 --> 00:08:38,393 in a murder-for-hire plot. 185 00:08:38,393 --> 00:08:41,146 REPORTER: Rutherford is now facing criminal solicitation 186 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:42,856 to commit murder charges. 187 00:08:42,856 --> 00:08:44,691 ♪ ♪ 188 00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:47,777 MIKAYLA: The problem was because the sexual 189 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:51,448 and invasion of privacy case was already going on, 190 00:08:51,448 --> 00:08:54,868 they couldn't add the hit-for-hire to that. 191 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:56,619 That was going to be a whole different charge, 192 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:57,829 whole different case. 193 00:08:57,829 --> 00:08:59,914 - When the police called me to tell me that 194 00:08:59,914 --> 00:09:02,250 he was being formally charged, 195 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:05,545 they told me he knew the layout of my house 196 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:07,839 because of video chatting with the little ones 197 00:09:07,839 --> 00:09:10,550 when he was first in jail. 198 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:14,345 And I immediately felt guilty. 199 00:09:14,345 --> 00:09:15,972 I thought I was just doing the right thing, 200 00:09:15,972 --> 00:09:17,932 letting my children talk to their father. 201 00:09:17,932 --> 00:09:20,226 ♪ ♪ 202 00:09:20,226 --> 00:09:21,895 [indistinct chatter] 203 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:24,355 Even though he was formally charged, 204 00:09:24,355 --> 00:09:26,608 I didn't know if someone else had 205 00:09:26,608 --> 00:09:29,944 taken him seriously inside of there. 206 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:31,529 TOMMY: That was a little terrifying, 207 00:09:31,529 --> 00:09:34,449 because maybe somebody said, "Yeah, I'll do it for $500, 208 00:09:34,449 --> 00:09:35,950 or I'll do it for free." 209 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:37,285 There's always that possibility. 210 00:09:37,285 --> 00:09:41,164 And that's what my mindset was pretty much every day. 211 00:09:41,164 --> 00:09:43,208 You start to question almost everybody 212 00:09:43,208 --> 00:09:45,293 that looks a little sketchy. 213 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:47,420 STACEY: And at that time, I had his gun, 214 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:49,088 and I kept it on the side of the bed. 215 00:09:49,088 --> 00:09:50,507 I wasn't afraid to shoot to kill 216 00:09:50,507 --> 00:09:52,842 if somebody came in our house, to protect my kids. 217 00:09:52,842 --> 00:09:55,762 ♪ ♪ 218 00:09:58,389 --> 00:10:01,392 [indistinct chatter] 219 00:10:02,393 --> 00:10:05,480 ANDREA: Initially, Justin turned down the plea deal, 220 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,067 the 15 to 30 years for the invasion of privacy 221 00:10:09,067 --> 00:10:10,318 and sexual assault. 222 00:10:10,318 --> 00:10:11,569 But leading up to trial, 223 00:10:11,569 --> 00:10:12,821 he changes his tune, 224 00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:14,489 and he decides to plead guilty. 225 00:10:14,489 --> 00:10:16,407 [dramatic music] 226 00:10:16,407 --> 00:10:18,701 STACEY: His plea deal dropped a lot 227 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:21,913 of the invasion of privacy charges. 228 00:10:21,913 --> 00:10:24,624 They kept the sexual abuse of children 229 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:27,502 and rape of an unconscious person. 230 00:10:27,502 --> 00:10:29,838 I knew there was enough evidence to bury him. 231 00:10:29,838 --> 00:10:33,299 I just didn't know what he was going to get. 232 00:10:33,299 --> 00:10:36,302 [dramatic music] 233 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:38,972 ♪ ♪ 234 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:44,853 [tense music] 235 00:10:44,853 --> 00:10:47,063 ♪ ♪ 236 00:10:47,063 --> 00:10:50,775 - I remember walking into the courtroom, 237 00:10:50,775 --> 00:10:51,943 and I was, like, so ready. 238 00:10:51,943 --> 00:10:53,444 I was, like, maybe we'll get a good judge 239 00:10:53,444 --> 00:10:54,904 who'll just ream his ass. 240 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:56,489 ♪ ♪ 241 00:10:56,489 --> 00:11:02,203 LESLIE: At the sentencing, holding in the anger was hard, 242 00:11:02,203 --> 00:11:05,999 but I didn't care about my feelings at that time. 243 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:08,626 I was just there for support. 244 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:11,462 - The only person that was there for Justin was Nanny. 245 00:11:11,462 --> 00:11:17,552 ♪ ♪ 246 00:11:17,552 --> 00:11:22,807 I wrote and rewrote my victim impact statement so many times, 247 00:11:22,807 --> 00:11:25,018 because every time I would write it, 248 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:27,812 I wouldn't think it was good enough. 249 00:11:27,812 --> 00:11:30,857 [stirring music] 250 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:32,317 I wanted it perfect. 251 00:11:32,317 --> 00:11:37,572 ♪ ♪ 252 00:11:37,572 --> 00:11:39,157 "The last two years of our lives have been 253 00:11:39,157 --> 00:11:40,867 a complete nightmare because of you. 254 00:11:40,867 --> 00:11:42,410 "You once held honorable names-- 255 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:46,623 "husband, father, doctor, and friend. 256 00:11:46,623 --> 00:11:50,293 "Now the words to define you are pedophile, monster, 257 00:11:50,293 --> 00:11:54,214 "narcissist, sociopath, and coward. 258 00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:56,341 "You wanted mercy shown to you, 259 00:11:56,341 --> 00:11:58,718 "but how many times did you show him mercy? 260 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:01,471 "When plotting his death, did you extend mercy to him? 261 00:12:01,471 --> 00:12:03,681 "There are a lot of things that you have taken from us, 262 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:04,849 "but you will not take the lives 263 00:12:04,849 --> 00:12:06,184 "we still have left to live 264 00:12:06,184 --> 00:12:08,186 "or the plan that God has for our lives, 265 00:12:08,186 --> 00:12:10,480 and you will not take another thing from Tyler." 266 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,983 ♪ ♪ 267 00:12:13,983 --> 00:12:19,113 - I felt that she was speaking from her heart. 268 00:12:19,113 --> 00:12:21,991 He might have broken the family, 269 00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:23,493 but he did not break her. 270 00:12:23,493 --> 00:12:27,288 [soft music] 271 00:12:27,288 --> 00:12:28,831 MIKAYLA: It was very powerful. 272 00:12:28,831 --> 00:12:31,459 I don't think there was a dry eye in the room. 273 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:34,921 ♪ ♪ 274 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:36,464 TYLER: It was nice. 275 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:39,801 It was good to see her have her moment. 276 00:12:39,801 --> 00:12:41,803 ♪ ♪ 277 00:12:41,803 --> 00:12:44,222 STACEY: I had given my victim impact statement, 278 00:12:44,222 --> 00:12:47,725 and the judge had asked if there was anybody else left 279 00:12:47,725 --> 00:12:49,602 that wanted to speak. 280 00:12:49,602 --> 00:12:51,688 MIKAYLA: It was quiet, and we were about to move on. 281 00:12:51,688 --> 00:12:53,815 And then Tyler, like, stood up. 282 00:12:53,815 --> 00:12:56,818 [dramatic music] 283 00:12:56,818 --> 00:13:00,613 ♪ ♪ 284 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:02,573 TYLER: I kept quiet for years. 285 00:13:02,573 --> 00:13:06,077 I didn't want to hurt anybody, especially my mom. 286 00:13:06,077 --> 00:13:09,872 But I just knew if I didn't get 287 00:13:09,872 --> 00:13:12,083 what was on my chest off of my chest, 288 00:13:12,083 --> 00:13:15,294 I'd probably regret it for the rest of my life. 289 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:20,216 ♪ ♪ 290 00:13:20,216 --> 00:13:21,968 - Then it was, like, dead silent. 291 00:13:24,929 --> 00:13:26,389 TYLER: It felt like my heart was, 292 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:29,350 like, racing out of my chest. 293 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:33,938 But once I got into it, it just came to me. 294 00:13:33,938 --> 00:13:38,109 ♪ ♪ 295 00:13:38,109 --> 00:13:40,403 I basically just told him I was going to have 296 00:13:40,403 --> 00:13:43,781 that successful life he always worked so hard for. 297 00:13:43,781 --> 00:13:46,701 I was going to be the good father he never was. 298 00:13:46,701 --> 00:13:48,327 STACEY: "I'm going to have the family 299 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:49,537 that you used to have." 300 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:51,080 MIKAYLA: "You don't control me anymore. 301 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,207 And what you thought you stole from me, you didn't." 302 00:13:53,207 --> 00:13:56,836 - I'm out here free, and you're the one in chains. 303 00:13:56,836 --> 00:14:00,256 ♪ ♪ 304 00:14:00,256 --> 00:14:05,178 TYLER: Justin was sexually molesting me for years. 305 00:14:05,178 --> 00:14:09,766 If I didn't do what he wanted, he'd get very angry. 306 00:14:09,766 --> 00:14:11,976 And then I would-- I would give in. 307 00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:14,604 But I showed him who was in charge, and it was me. 308 00:14:14,604 --> 00:14:18,191 ♪ ♪ 309 00:14:18,191 --> 00:14:20,318 - [exhales sharply] 310 00:14:20,318 --> 00:14:22,570 So proud of him. 311 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:25,865 - I thought that was incredibly strong and brave. 312 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:27,492 ♪ ♪ 313 00:14:27,492 --> 00:14:29,118 And I can't imagine the courage it took 314 00:14:29,118 --> 00:14:31,829 to do something like that. 315 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:33,915 - I wanted to get up and just start, like... 316 00:14:33,915 --> 00:14:35,041 [clapping] Yay, you! 317 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:37,126 You know, like, that was fucking awesome! 318 00:14:37,126 --> 00:14:39,545 Like, I was so happy for him. 319 00:14:39,545 --> 00:14:42,256 That's exactly what Tyler needed. 320 00:14:42,256 --> 00:14:44,300 ♪ ♪ 321 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:48,971 STACEY: He kept Tyler bound for a really long time. 322 00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:52,600 And I think it was a moment that Tyler finally felt free. 323 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,811 ♪ ♪ 324 00:14:54,811 --> 00:14:57,480 TYLER: I walked back to my seat, 325 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,316 and I was like, I'm the man. 326 00:15:00,316 --> 00:15:03,486 ♪ ♪ 327 00:15:03,486 --> 00:15:05,029 MEG: Every defendant has the right 328 00:15:05,029 --> 00:15:10,159 to speak on their own behalf, but I was not aware 329 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:13,663 that Justin was actually going to speak. 330 00:15:13,663 --> 00:15:16,999 ♪ ♪ 331 00:15:16,999 --> 00:15:19,127 STACEY: He was able to speak to the judge, 332 00:15:19,127 --> 00:15:22,630 and then he asked to address Tyler. 333 00:15:22,630 --> 00:15:25,550 ♪ ♪ 334 00:15:28,177 --> 00:15:31,139 [suspenseful music] 335 00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:32,390 ♪ ♪ 336 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:34,392 TYLER: Justin pulled out a letter, 337 00:15:34,392 --> 00:15:37,478 and the judge stopped him. 338 00:15:37,478 --> 00:15:40,898 And she was like, "Wait, wait, wait." 339 00:15:40,898 --> 00:15:42,608 STACEY: And she kind of said, 340 00:15:42,608 --> 00:15:44,861 "Do you care to hear this from him?" 341 00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:47,238 - Before anyone could really even, like, get a word out, 342 00:15:47,238 --> 00:15:49,866 I, like, just blurted out, like, "Hey, just let him. 343 00:15:49,866 --> 00:15:52,160 Just let him talk." 344 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,330 He explained his love for me very deeply, 345 00:15:56,330 --> 00:16:00,209 and he thought we were basically together. 346 00:16:00,209 --> 00:16:01,294 MIKAYLA: "I loved you. 347 00:16:01,294 --> 00:16:02,753 "I was in love with you. 348 00:16:02,753 --> 00:16:05,840 If I was hurting you, you should have just told me." 349 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,717 The whole time you're sitting there, 350 00:16:07,717 --> 00:16:12,471 you're like, what are you saying? 351 00:16:12,471 --> 00:16:15,766 STACEY: And he told him, "You were the only person 352 00:16:15,766 --> 00:16:18,227 I ever planned on being like that with." 353 00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:22,732 How can you say that you weren't assaulting my child, 354 00:16:22,732 --> 00:16:25,568 but then turn around and say, 355 00:16:25,568 --> 00:16:26,819 "But you were the only person 356 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:29,280 I had ever planned to be with like that"? 357 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,408 It was like, you just admitted it. 358 00:16:32,408 --> 00:16:34,660 And then he compared their relationship 359 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,914 to Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher. 360 00:16:37,914 --> 00:16:41,167 ♪ ♪ 361 00:16:41,167 --> 00:16:42,752 - What the fuck? 362 00:16:42,752 --> 00:16:45,463 No matter what the circumstances are, 363 00:16:45,463 --> 00:16:48,090 you were the adult in the situation 364 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:50,134 and should not be in love with a child. 365 00:16:50,134 --> 00:16:52,470 - The whole courtroom, everybody was disgusted. 366 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:54,597 You could look around and see the face of disgust 367 00:16:54,597 --> 00:16:56,098 on every single person. 368 00:16:56,098 --> 00:16:58,601 ♪ ♪ 369 00:16:58,601 --> 00:17:00,102 LESLIE: I was ready to jump over the table 370 00:17:00,102 --> 00:17:03,606 and choke him with my own two hands. 371 00:17:03,606 --> 00:17:06,817 - The judge put her hands to her face, 372 00:17:06,817 --> 00:17:08,152 took her glasses off, 373 00:17:08,152 --> 00:17:10,112 just shaking her head back and forth. 374 00:17:10,112 --> 00:17:12,365 [solemn music] 375 00:17:12,365 --> 00:17:16,285 All the policemen just shaking their heads as well. 376 00:17:16,285 --> 00:17:18,621 ♪ ♪ 377 00:17:18,621 --> 00:17:23,167 It's like this man who was--who was so smart 378 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:27,129 became one of the stupidest people I've ever met. 379 00:17:27,129 --> 00:17:28,756 - To this day, I still can't understand 380 00:17:28,756 --> 00:17:30,550 why his lawyer allowed that to happen. 381 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:32,927 But good on him for letting it happen. 382 00:17:32,927 --> 00:17:34,679 ♪ ♪ 383 00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:36,347 TYLER: It was hard to listen to. 384 00:17:36,347 --> 00:17:38,975 I'm not really a crier, 385 00:17:38,975 --> 00:17:41,018 but, like, that-- that really hit me. 386 00:17:41,018 --> 00:17:42,395 ♪ ♪ 387 00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:44,939 It was, like, a pissed cry. 388 00:17:44,939 --> 00:17:48,317 Like, it's almost like he isn't even trying to defend himself. 389 00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:50,278 ♪ ♪ 390 00:17:50,278 --> 00:17:51,862 ANTHONY: These groomers, 391 00:17:51,862 --> 00:17:54,532 no one believes it more than them. 392 00:17:54,532 --> 00:17:57,243 They believe they're doing the right thing. 393 00:17:57,243 --> 00:18:01,622 It is so pathological, which it is, 394 00:18:01,622 --> 00:18:06,252 that we can't apply our regular rules to it. 395 00:18:06,252 --> 00:18:07,795 It doesn't make sense. 396 00:18:07,795 --> 00:18:09,714 [dramatic music] 397 00:18:09,714 --> 00:18:13,801 ANDREA: Before the judge could decide Justin's fate, 398 00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:18,139 both sides could argue what they deem as a fair sentence. 399 00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:22,226 ♪ ♪ 400 00:18:22,226 --> 00:18:25,146 MEG: I consistently ask for no contact provisions 401 00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:27,064 for any minor child 402 00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:31,027 as part of a sentence for any sex offender. 403 00:18:31,027 --> 00:18:35,656 - She was pushing for the full sentence, 24 to 70 years. 404 00:18:35,656 --> 00:18:37,241 ♪ ♪ 405 00:18:37,241 --> 00:18:40,411 And then when everything was over, 406 00:18:40,411 --> 00:18:43,414 it took the judge 13 minutes to decide his sentence. 407 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:46,500 ♪ ♪ 408 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,669 - Former Berks County doctor has been sentenced 409 00:18:48,669 --> 00:18:50,463 to up to 70 years in prison. 410 00:18:50,463 --> 00:18:54,425 - Investigators say he sexually assaulted two underage victims 411 00:18:54,425 --> 00:18:56,761 and used a hidden camera to record people 412 00:18:56,761 --> 00:18:59,764 in the bathroom of his home in Amity Township. 413 00:18:59,764 --> 00:19:03,309 ♪ ♪ 414 00:19:03,309 --> 00:19:07,897 STACEY: Justin's sentence was 26 years and 10 months 415 00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:12,777 to 70 years, with 12 years of special probation 416 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:15,821 after he is released. 417 00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:18,908 And he also is to have no contact with 418 00:19:18,908 --> 00:19:21,577 any of the victims' immediate family members, 419 00:19:21,577 --> 00:19:24,288 which includes his biological children. 420 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:29,001 ♪ ♪ 421 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:30,419 TYLER: I mean, everything they said 422 00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:32,546 in there, it didn't faze him. 423 00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:34,256 He didn't move a muscle. 424 00:19:34,256 --> 00:19:36,384 The second they said, "You'll never see your kids 425 00:19:36,384 --> 00:19:37,760 or talk to your kids again," 426 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,804 his body language was different. 427 00:19:39,804 --> 00:19:41,430 His face drooped. 428 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:43,099 - And he, like, you know, fixed himself. 429 00:19:43,099 --> 00:19:45,476 And he was, like, "Your Honor?" 430 00:19:45,476 --> 00:19:46,811 And she said, "Yes?" 431 00:19:46,811 --> 00:19:49,146 And he said, 432 00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:53,943 "But when my kids turn 18, I can talk to them, right?" 433 00:19:53,943 --> 00:19:56,779 And I remember, she took her glasses off, 434 00:19:56,779 --> 00:20:01,075 and she's, like, "Let me make myself clear. 435 00:20:01,075 --> 00:20:04,412 "For as long as you live, and unless you live to be 436 00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:06,497 "over 90-something years old, 437 00:20:06,497 --> 00:20:09,125 you will never speak to your children again." 438 00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:10,668 ♪ ♪ 439 00:20:10,668 --> 00:20:12,461 - She was pissed. 440 00:20:12,461 --> 00:20:14,922 And she threw the book at him. 441 00:20:14,922 --> 00:20:18,092 ♪ ♪ 442 00:20:18,092 --> 00:20:22,346 MIKAYLA: The look on his face was, like, fully defeated. 443 00:20:22,346 --> 00:20:25,474 And it was such a good feeling to be like, 444 00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:27,476 "Yeah, the kids are safe." 445 00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:30,730 - Never heard of a pedophile who was cured. 446 00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:35,067 I've heard of a pedophile who no longer perpetrated 447 00:20:35,067 --> 00:20:38,028 because they were separated from kids. 448 00:20:38,028 --> 00:20:41,449 And we have that ability. 449 00:20:41,449 --> 00:20:42,992 ♪ ♪ 450 00:20:42,992 --> 00:20:44,577 STACEY: He is registered as a sex offender now 451 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:46,537 on Megan's Law. 452 00:20:46,537 --> 00:20:49,832 And he is the worst level of offender that you can have. 453 00:20:49,832 --> 00:20:51,584 He's deemed a sexually violent predator. 454 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:55,963 He will be on that list the rest of his life. 455 00:20:59,467 --> 00:21:01,594 - If you want my opinion, 456 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:03,721 what he deserves is a slow, painful death. 457 00:21:03,721 --> 00:21:06,724 [tense music] 458 00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:09,185 And you know what? 459 00:21:09,185 --> 00:21:10,770 I'm getting a master's degree. 460 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:12,062 Tyler's doing wonderful in life. 461 00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:14,315 So whatever fucking plan you thought you had, 462 00:21:14,315 --> 00:21:15,649 you didn't get any of us. 463 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:17,359 And just to let you know, your kids will be 464 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,944 taken care of as long as I'm alive, 465 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:22,448 so they don't fucking need you. 466 00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:24,366 ♪ ♪ 467 00:21:24,366 --> 00:21:28,788 - I told everyone after the court hearing was over that 468 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:32,583 that was my time to start living my life. 469 00:21:32,583 --> 00:21:35,294 The trauma is still obviously a part of me. 470 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:38,547 I still got to work on myself. 471 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:40,758 But he's in prison now. 472 00:21:40,758 --> 00:21:42,176 We got our justice. 473 00:21:42,176 --> 00:21:43,802 I'll take that as my win. 474 00:21:43,802 --> 00:21:48,349 ♪ ♪ 475 00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:54,021 [tense music] 476 00:21:54,021 --> 00:21:56,774 ♪ ♪ 477 00:21:56,774 --> 00:22:00,361 MEG: As a community, it is shocking for people 478 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:03,280 to believe that a doctor, a stepfather, 479 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,784 a person who we pour our trust in 480 00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:09,286 could do these types of things. 481 00:22:09,286 --> 00:22:14,166 And when things like this come out, 482 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:16,001 you know, it's scary. 483 00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:18,879 ♪ ♪ 484 00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:21,423 - People were very upset. 485 00:22:21,423 --> 00:22:25,803 And now, every time, you know, a parent brings their child in 486 00:22:25,803 --> 00:22:28,764 where the doctor was employed at, you know, 487 00:22:28,764 --> 00:22:31,308 that's always going to be in the back of their mind. 488 00:22:31,308 --> 00:22:33,811 Can I trust this person? 489 00:22:33,811 --> 00:22:36,689 - 9 times out of 10, when they say, "Hey..." 490 00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:40,067 in this case, "Justin was abusing Tyler," 491 00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:42,862 people are like, "He's the last person 492 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:44,196 I would have thought," you know? 493 00:22:44,196 --> 00:22:46,448 It's always the last person. 494 00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:50,452 Well, then let's kind of rethink this. 495 00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:53,789 The only way we can battle this is 496 00:22:53,789 --> 00:22:55,958 to get people talking about it. 497 00:22:55,958 --> 00:22:58,878 And so the only way we can do that is to break stigma, 498 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:01,213 which is to do things like this. 499 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,966 We have to realize that it exists. 500 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:08,345 [tense music] 501 00:23:08,345 --> 00:23:11,432 STACEY: The original hearing for Tyler's case 502 00:23:11,432 --> 00:23:15,060 and the cameras was in May of '23. 503 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:17,563 ♪ ♪ 504 00:23:17,563 --> 00:23:21,567 And then the following February of '24 505 00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:25,237 was when we went to court for the murder-for-hire plot. 506 00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:27,197 And he ended up taking a plea deal on that. 507 00:23:27,197 --> 00:23:29,450 ♪ ♪ 508 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:31,243 ANDREA: Justin's plea deal was 509 00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:33,996 5 to 10 years to run concurrently 510 00:23:33,996 --> 00:23:35,914 with his existing sentence. 511 00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:37,124 ♪ ♪ 512 00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:39,710 What Stacey wanted was closure. 513 00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:41,629 And that was good enough for her. 514 00:23:47,343 --> 00:23:49,136 STACEY: We're all playing it safe. 515 00:23:53,432 --> 00:23:54,808 - Fold. 516 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:56,936 - I don't think I like our dealer. 517 00:23:57,895 --> 00:23:59,521 TYLER: I got the high, so I won. 518 00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:00,606 - Eh, whatever. 519 00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:03,233 TYLER: My money. - Whatever. It's cool. 520 00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,361 TOMMY: Loser. 521 00:24:05,361 --> 00:24:06,946 - Did you guys play poker a lot? 522 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:08,280 MIKAYLA: Like, almost every weekend. 523 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,406 STACEY: Yeah. ANDREA: Every weekend? 524 00:24:09,406 --> 00:24:11,158 Was Tommy always the dealer? 525 00:24:11,158 --> 00:24:13,786 - No, Justin was always our dealer. 526 00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:14,954 TOMMY: Yeah, I don't think we've played 527 00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:16,997 poker together since then. 528 00:24:16,997 --> 00:24:19,958 He took it a lot more seriously. 529 00:24:19,958 --> 00:24:23,671 - What I find remarkable about this family 530 00:24:23,671 --> 00:24:25,673 is their resilience. 531 00:24:25,673 --> 00:24:29,259 I mean, they're able to still do things 532 00:24:29,259 --> 00:24:31,095 that they used to do with Justin 533 00:24:31,095 --> 00:24:34,139 and have a good sense of humor about it. 534 00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:37,393 You know, for as dark as things have been for them, 535 00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:38,727 there's a lot of laughter. 536 00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:40,479 And there's so much love. 537 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:42,147 It is inspiring. 538 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:45,526 And, I mean, they are such a great family. 539 00:24:45,526 --> 00:24:46,777 After the sentencing hearing, 540 00:24:46,777 --> 00:24:49,530 what was that experience like for you guys? 541 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:52,241 - The whole thing just didn't feel real yet. 542 00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:54,827 - Yeah, it felt like we were in, like, a simulation. 543 00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:57,079 It was definitely, like, very detached. 544 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:58,455 ANDREA: Yeah, did you guys have to leave 545 00:24:58,455 --> 00:25:00,582 the courthouse with Nanny? 546 00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:02,292 - Yeah, and she actually talked to us. 547 00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:05,254 I think she said something along the lines of, 548 00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:07,047 "Justin wrote me a letter," 549 00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:10,259 and that he had wrote a book of his life story 550 00:25:10,259 --> 00:25:11,385 and explaining everything. 551 00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:12,594 And that if I wanted to read it, 552 00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:14,430 I had to go to her house to read this, 553 00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:17,016 because he didn't want anybody to get their hands on it. 554 00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:18,225 But I never got it from her. 555 00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:20,060 For me, it's just lies. 556 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:21,311 ANDREA: Was that hard for you guys, 557 00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:26,066 knowing that she was supporting him so blindly? 558 00:25:26,066 --> 00:25:28,944 - Not really. Not to me, at least. 559 00:25:28,944 --> 00:25:30,946 STACEY: Her part of our story is very hard for people 560 00:25:30,946 --> 00:25:32,990 to understand because they don't understand 561 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:35,576 the dynamic of the relationship between him and her. 562 00:25:35,576 --> 00:25:39,288 This is basically a mother sticking by her son. 563 00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:42,082 - So is Nanny in your life now? 564 00:25:42,082 --> 00:25:43,751 What's the relationship there? 565 00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:47,880 STACEY: Are there things that I don't agree with 566 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,381 that Nanny has done in this situation? 567 00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:50,966 Absolutely. 568 00:25:50,966 --> 00:25:54,136 But she was very much a grandmother figure 569 00:25:54,136 --> 00:25:55,387 in the house for the kids. 570 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:57,931 She would shank somebody for them. 571 00:25:57,931 --> 00:26:00,267 So she does help me out with watching them 572 00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:02,060 if they are sick 573 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,438 or if she can pick them up at school. 574 00:26:04,438 --> 00:26:07,983 - I think people forget that the littles lost their dad. 575 00:26:07,983 --> 00:26:09,777 STACEY: Oh, they lost everything. 576 00:26:09,777 --> 00:26:11,361 It's hard to verbalize, 577 00:26:11,361 --> 00:26:13,530 but she was a safe space for them 578 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:17,201 at a point where I couldn't be anybody's safe space. 579 00:26:17,201 --> 00:26:19,203 [solemn music] 580 00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:21,371 So I wanted them to have somebody 581 00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:23,040 that was comfortable-- they were comfortable with 582 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,583 and they felt safe with. 583 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:30,756 ♪ ♪ 584 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:31,757 I'm sorry. 585 00:26:31,757 --> 00:26:34,301 ANDREA: It's OK. 586 00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:36,720 TOMMY: On that note, all in. 587 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,013 - Tommy, Jesus! 588 00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:39,056 [interposing voices] 589 00:26:39,056 --> 00:26:40,349 - 1, 2, 3, 4. 590 00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:41,767 I didn't have a 5, but I had a 6. 591 00:26:41,767 --> 00:26:47,648 ♪ ♪ 592 00:26:47,648 --> 00:26:49,316 MIKAYLA: I think there's a part of me 593 00:26:49,316 --> 00:26:51,944 that has been hoping that, like, by now, 594 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:54,738 Mom would be healed. 595 00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:56,698 It's just, like, hard to watch 596 00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:58,951 that she's still, like, suffering 597 00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:00,744 at the hands of this guy. 598 00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:05,916 MIKAYLA: 599 00:27:05,916 --> 00:27:11,880 - I struggle with wishing he would die. 600 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,132 ♪ ♪ 601 00:27:13,132 --> 00:27:15,926 I want to put my hands around his neck, 602 00:27:15,926 --> 00:27:18,887 and I want to watch him as he drifts into hell. 603 00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:21,890 ♪ ♪ 604 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:23,392 And I know that's something that 605 00:27:23,392 --> 00:27:25,769 I have to deal with with God. 606 00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:28,814 [solemn music] 607 00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:32,067 ♪ ♪ 608 00:27:32,067 --> 00:27:33,652 - I'd like to see her doing better. 609 00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:35,571 ♪ ♪ 610 00:27:35,571 --> 00:27:36,738 But I think she's-- 611 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:39,116 she's getting to a better place. 612 00:27:39,116 --> 00:27:40,742 ANDREA: You know, the podcast is dedicated 613 00:27:40,742 --> 00:27:43,787 to sharing deceptions and its aftermath, 614 00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:46,331 but then the resilience, you know. 615 00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,166 People are strong, and they come out 616 00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:49,418 on the other side of it. 617 00:27:49,418 --> 00:27:51,336 So Stacey's future is bright, 618 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:53,463 and her family's future is bright. 619 00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:55,340 ♪ ♪ 620 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,551 STACEY: I'm blessed, and I have a good life, 621 00:27:57,551 --> 00:28:01,680 and I'm thankful every day for what we have. 622 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:07,352 But there's still a lot of healing that needs to happen. 623 00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:09,146 But it's coming. 624 00:28:09,146 --> 00:28:11,189 - Personally, it took a while for me 625 00:28:11,189 --> 00:28:13,567 to start feeling relief from all of this. 626 00:28:13,567 --> 00:28:16,069 I've learned to kind of be proud of myself 627 00:28:16,069 --> 00:28:18,447 and happy with myself. 628 00:28:18,447 --> 00:28:23,118 But I also want people to know that I'm not perfect. 629 00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:25,287 I wake up most days feeling pretty bad. 630 00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:27,623 One of my biggest problems throughout everything 631 00:28:27,623 --> 00:28:29,041 was anxiety. 632 00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:30,959 I kind of tried to work on that so hard that, like, 633 00:28:30,959 --> 00:28:32,920 I kind of discounted other things. 634 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,131 Like, anger is one of them. 635 00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:37,758 I feel more angry than I used to. 636 00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:39,092 I used to feel more sad. 637 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:41,094 But there's also that light at the end of the tunnel. 638 00:28:41,094 --> 00:28:42,554 You just got to want it. 639 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:43,889 You got to work hard. 640 00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:46,016 ♪ ♪ 641 00:28:46,016 --> 00:28:49,102 STACEY: We were paired with the organization 1in6 642 00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:55,901 through the podcast, and we got to meet Anthony Edwards. 643 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,821 Anthony was assaulted by one of his mentors. 644 00:28:59,821 --> 00:29:02,658 And he paired with this organization 645 00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:04,409 to be a voice for them. 646 00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:07,120 I think it's just an amazing organization that 647 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,831 offers resources for men and boys 648 00:29:09,831 --> 00:29:13,502 who have been sexually assaulted. 649 00:29:13,502 --> 00:29:14,920 - So life's been good? 650 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,172 - Yeah, life's been pretty good the last year, yeah. 651 00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:18,966 Lately, I've really just been trying 652 00:29:18,966 --> 00:29:21,843 to figure out what I like and what I enjoy and who I am. 653 00:29:21,843 --> 00:29:25,222 - Recovery is about recovering that piece of you. 654 00:29:25,222 --> 00:29:27,015 So it's like, yeah, it feels better, 655 00:29:27,015 --> 00:29:30,060 because you get to be more Tyler than ever. 656 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:31,436 TYLER: I got a good job. 657 00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:33,855 I'm currently working on a personal trainer 658 00:29:33,855 --> 00:29:35,565 certification on the side. 659 00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:39,194 And a lot of people think it's crazy, but I got engaged. 660 00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:40,404 - Congratulations. 661 00:29:40,404 --> 00:29:41,655 That is huge. 662 00:29:41,655 --> 00:29:42,656 TYLER: We love each other, 663 00:29:42,656 --> 00:29:43,657 loyal to each other, 664 00:29:43,657 --> 00:29:45,117 always there for each other. 665 00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:47,244 I mean, it's all I need. 666 00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:48,370 - Your mom approves? 667 00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:49,538 Not that it matters. 668 00:29:49,538 --> 00:29:50,789 - No, no. 669 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,208 Yeah, no, but my mom loves her too, yeah. 670 00:29:53,208 --> 00:29:55,377 - You know, any step that someone takes 671 00:29:55,377 --> 00:29:59,006 in this direction will be a step in the right direction. 672 00:29:59,006 --> 00:30:00,090 I mean, I'm a dad. 673 00:30:00,090 --> 00:30:01,425 I've seen kids grow. 674 00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:03,135 And he has really grown. 675 00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:05,387 - 5, 6, 7 years ago, I would have never 676 00:30:05,387 --> 00:30:06,972 pictured being where I am now. 677 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:09,933 From the jump, it was, OK, I'm going to keep this in. 678 00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:12,269 No one's ever going to know, the rest of my life. 679 00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:16,064 And, like, once I finally got it out, 680 00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:19,067 I realized it felt freeing to talk about it. 681 00:30:19,067 --> 00:30:22,863 ANTHONY: You being able to tell your story is so exceptional. 682 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,781 I mean, how old were you when you first talked? 683 00:30:24,781 --> 00:30:26,324 You were like-- 684 00:30:26,324 --> 00:30:27,659 - 16, 17? 685 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:29,369 - Yeah, 16, 17. 686 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:31,913 I mean, that's a time when, you know, 687 00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:33,999 most men are still listening to that, like, 688 00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:35,751 "No, don't show weakness." 689 00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:39,171 You know, I was 52 before I started really looking at it. 690 00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:43,675 - Just because we're men, it doesn't mean we're weak. 691 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:45,135 We're still strong. 692 00:30:45,135 --> 00:30:48,013 It doesn't mean we're not a man. 693 00:30:48,013 --> 00:30:51,308 - More kids are going to get hurt and stay silent 694 00:30:51,308 --> 00:30:55,228 like I did when people don't share. 695 00:30:55,228 --> 00:31:00,442 So from a lot of survivors in the world that I've met, 696 00:31:00,442 --> 00:31:02,527 I've heard from them, and they're saying, 697 00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:04,488 "Tell Tyler thanks." 698 00:31:04,488 --> 00:31:06,948 It's a real gift you've given to people. 699 00:31:06,948 --> 00:31:09,951 [soft music] 700 00:31:09,951 --> 00:31:12,954 ♪ ♪ 701 00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:01,628 [dramatic music] 702 00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:08,635 ♪ ♪