1 00:00:05,185 --> 00:00:09,618 >>> EGYPT IS BECOMING AN INCREASINGLY DANGEROUS PLACE. 2 00:00:09,717 --> 00:00:10,650 FULL OF JOURNALISTS. 3 00:00:10,918 --> 00:00:13,150 >> ONE OF THE MOST BRUTAL REGIMES IN EGYPT'S HISTORY FOR 4 00:00:13,250 --> 00:00:17,716 ANYONE THAT CHALLENGES AUTHORITY. 5 00:00:17,817 --> 00:00:20,516 >> YOU'RE UNDER ARREST. 6 00:00:20,616 --> 00:00:22,683 >> THERE IS STILL A VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED 7 00:00:22,783 --> 00:00:23,683 STATES. 8 00:00:23,948 --> 00:00:27,615 >> I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE. 9 00:00:27,714 --> 00:00:29,714 >> A NUMBER OF FAMILIES AND SOLDIERS HAVE COME FORWARD 10 00:00:29,814 --> 00:00:32,647 ALLEGING THEIR CRIMES WEREN'T PROPERLY INVESTIGATED. 11 00:00:32,747 --> 00:00:37,212 >> DID WHATEVER I SAID GO IN ONE EAR OUT THE OTHER? 12 00:00:37,313 --> 00:00:40,545 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 13 00:00:40,646 --> 00:00:43,179 >> THE SYSTEM ALLOWS FOR CASES TO BE COVERED UP. 14 00:00:43,278 --> 00:00:46,479 >> YOU DON'T GET PROMOTED IF THERE'S CRIME WITHIN YOUR UNIT. 15 00:00:46,578 --> 00:00:49,512 IT'S A DIFFERENT WAR NOW. AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE 16 00:00:49,611 --> 00:00:56,176 STILL IN CHARGE. 17 00:01:03,775 --> 00:01:06,676 >> WE WANT JUSTICE! 18 00:01:17,274 --> 00:01:23,006 >> FOR MONTHS WE'VE BEEN INVESTIGATING EGYPTS BRUTAL 19 00:01:23,105 --> 00:01:25,772 CRACK DOWN SOURCES TELL US THE GOVERNMENT 20 00:01:25,872 --> 00:01:32,438 IS SETTING UP ITS MISSION DEFIANCE OF ANYONE TO THE STATE. 21 00:01:32,537 --> 00:01:38,804 SO WE'RE HEADED TO CAIRO WITH JUST OUR MOBILE PHONE INTO WHAT 22 00:01:38,903 --> 00:01:43,370 MANY ARE CALLING ONE OF THE DARKEST PERIODS IN EGYPTS 23 00:01:43,468 --> 00:01:45,870 HISTORY. 24 00:01:45,970 --> 00:01:50,068 >> WE'RE GOING TO BE COVERING HERE AND WE'RE TAUNTED BY 25 00:01:50,169 --> 00:01:53,502 AUTHORITIES SO WE'RE GOING TO BE KEEPING A VERY LOW PROFILE. 26 00:01:57,234 --> 00:01:59,401 >> HELLO. WELCOME BACK. 27 00:01:59,501 --> 00:02:00,601 HAVE A LOOK HERE. 28 00:02:00,699 --> 00:02:04,098 >> WELCOME BACK. HA. 29 00:02:04,198 --> 00:02:06,198 THAT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE. 30 00:02:06,299 --> 00:02:11,799 >> TODAY AN ESTIMATED 60,000 POLITICAL PRISONERS ARE BEHIND 31 00:02:11,897 --> 00:02:16,597 BARS IN EGYPT WITH REPORTS OF ARBITRARY DETENTION, MASS 32 00:02:16,698 --> 00:02:21,796 TRIALS, EXECUTIONS AND FORCED DISAPPEARANCES 33 00:02:21,896 --> 00:02:22,629 DISAPPEAR DISAPPEARANCES. 34 00:02:22,729 --> 00:02:23,729 IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THIS. 35 00:02:23,830 --> 00:02:30,461 JUST A DECADE AGO EGYPT ERUPTED IN MASS CELEBRATION 36 00:02:30,562 --> 00:02:37,328 FOR THE ONE OVER THROWN AT THE HEIGHT OF THE ARAB SPRING. 37 00:02:37,427 --> 00:02:39,627 PRO-DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT SWEPT THE REGION. 38 00:02:39,727 --> 00:02:44,494 IN 2013 THE PRESIDENT SQUASHED THIS DEMOCRATIC EXPERIMENT 39 00:02:44,593 --> 00:02:51,026 THROUGH A FULL-ON MILITARY COUP IN ONE OF THE WRORS MASSACRES IN 40 00:02:51,126 --> 00:02:57,758 EGYPTS HISTORY, KILLING MORE THAN 900 PROTESTERS.ORST MASSACN 41 00:02:57,858 --> 00:02:58,890 EGYPTS HISTORY, KILLING MORE THAN 900 PROTESTERS. 42 00:02:58,991 --> 00:03:03,657 WORLD LEADERS BACK THE GENERAL FIGHTING EGYPT'S ROLE 43 00:03:03,757 --> 00:03:08,657 AND AMERICA LEADS THE PACK. THE U.S. GIVES EGYPT $1.3 44 00:03:08,756 --> 00:03:12,921 BILLION IN MILITARY AID EVERY YEAR, SECONDS ONLY TO ISRAEL. 45 00:03:13,022 --> 00:03:18,253 IN 2019 DONALD TRUMP WENT AS FAR AS CALLING FCC HIS FAVORITE 46 00:03:18,354 --> 00:03:18,754 DICTATE DICTATOR 47 00:03:18,854 --> 00:03:19,621 DICTAT DICTATOR. 48 00:03:19,954 --> 00:03:20,919 >> I KNOW YOU'VE APPRECIATED EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE. 49 00:03:21,020 --> 00:03:22,054 [ LAUGHTER ] 50 00:03:22,253 --> 00:03:27,353 >> ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL JOE BIDEN TWEETS THERE WOULD BE NO 51 00:03:27,453 --> 00:03:32,451 MORE BLANK CHECKS TO CC AND YET HE'S NEW ADMINISTRATION 52 00:03:32,551 --> 00:03:36,418 CONTINUES TO STAND BY ITS MILITARY RELATIONSHIP WITH EGYPT 53 00:03:36,518 --> 00:03:45,849 WHILE ON THE GROUND THINGS ARE DETERIORATING. 54 00:03:45,949 --> 00:03:47,417 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 55 00:04:32,075 --> 00:04:32,342 >> >W 56 00:04:32,441 --> 00:04:32,708 >' >E 57 00:04:32,808 --> 00:04:33,075 >G >I 58 00:04:33,176 --> 00:04:33,441 >G >B 59 00:04:33,542 --> 00:04:33,808 >H >N 60 00:04:33,909 --> 00:04:34,109 > >S 61 00:04:34,208 --> 00:04:35,842 > > 62 00:04:35,941 --> 00:04:39,741 GOING TO TRY TO CROSS THROUGH. 63 00:04:42,806 --> 00:04:43,840 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 64 00:04:43,941 --> 00:04:47,905 >> CAN YOU TELL ME WHY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO FILM HERE? 65 00:04:48,006 --> 00:04:50,440 WHAT'S THE REASON? 66 00:04:51,806 --> 00:04:53,306 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 67 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,039 >> IT'S A SECURITY PROBLEM. 68 00:04:59,138 --> 00:05:01,070 >> WELCOME TO EGYPT. 69 00:05:01,171 --> 00:05:05,804 >> IT'S REALLY CRAZY HOW THE MINUTE WE GOT THERE WE WERE 70 00:05:05,903 --> 00:05:12,770 SURROUNDED. THIS REVOLUTION REPRESENTS 71 00:05:12,869 --> 00:05:16,169 PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIFE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT 72 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:20,435 THIS IS ALL ABOUT STOPPING IT FROM EVER HAPPENING 73 00:05:20,534 --> 00:05:21,167 AGAIN. 74 00:05:21,734 --> 00:05:28,301 >> WHILE THE REGIME OFTEN TARGETS ACTIVISTS, JOURNALISTS 75 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,898 AND POLITICAL OPPONENTS, THEIR RECENT RESPONSE TO A RAPE CASE 76 00:05:33,999 --> 00:05:37,366 PROVED EVEN THEY'RE NOT SAFE IN EGYPT. 77 00:05:37,465 --> 00:05:38,532 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 78 00:05:40,765 --> 00:05:49,664 >> IN 2014, AN 18-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WAS GANG RAPED IN A LUXURIOUS 79 00:05:49,763 --> 00:05:53,429 HOTEL BUT AFTER REPORTING THE CASE LAST YEAR THINGS HAVE TAKEN 80 00:05:53,529 --> 00:05:57,195 A TURN. SOME WERE POLITICALLY 81 00:05:57,296 --> 00:05:59,263 WELL-CONNECTED. ONE WAS RECENTLY RELEASED FROM 82 00:05:59,363 --> 00:06:02,027 PRISON AND NONE HAVE BEEN FORMERLY CHARGED. 83 00:06:02,128 --> 00:06:08,561 THE WITNESS HAS BEEN SMEARED IN STATE MEDIA AND HARASSED BY 84 00:06:08,661 --> 00:06:09,859 EGYPT SECRET POLICE. 85 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:16,892 >> WE'RE GOING TO A SECRET LOCATION WHERE 86 00:06:16,993 --> 00:06:21,924 THEY HAVE TAKEN [ INAUDIBLE ] 87 00:06:22,025 --> 00:06:26,624 >> ALL THE WITNESSES CONNECTED WITH THE CASE THEY WERE ALL 88 00:06:26,724 --> 00:06:29,023 TAKEN BY AUTHORITIES AROUND THE SAME TIME. 89 00:06:29,123 --> 00:06:35,090 >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO EACH ONE OF THEM? 90 00:06:38,123 --> 00:06:43,621 >> IT MUST HAVE BEEN AROUND 4:00 IN THE MORNING, I GOT A SERIES 91 00:06:43,722 --> 00:06:48,787 OF TEXT [ INAUDIBLE ] 92 00:06:48,887 --> 00:06:52,220 >> DID PEOPLE REALIZE WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THAT POINT? 93 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:58,051 >> NO ONE 94 00:06:58,152 --> 00:06:58,951 >> 95 00:07:05,518 --> 00:07:06,217 . [ INAUDIBLE ] 96 00:07:06,318 --> 00:07:10,883 CONSPIRING WITH FOREIGN AGENTS -- 97 00:07:10,984 --> 00:07:13,150 >> SO IT'S A CRIME TO SPEAK TO ME? 98 00:07:13,251 --> 00:07:14,416 >> YEAH. 99 00:07:14,515 --> 00:07:17,982 >> DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS ANY ROLE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS 100 00:07:18,082 --> 00:07:25,114 PLAYED TO STOP PEOPLE FROM COMING FORWARD? 101 00:07:27,448 --> 00:07:28,547 [ INAUDIBLE ] 102 00:07:33,214 --> 00:07:37,479 >> SOURCES SAY THE CASE IS PART OF THE GOVERNMENT'S ATTEMPT TO 103 00:07:37,580 --> 00:07:43,412 BURY HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES GAINING TOO MUCH INTERNATIONAL 104 00:07:43,511 --> 00:07:46,212 ATTENTION. FATTAH AL-SISI IS A MASSIVE 105 00:07:46,311 --> 00:07:49,210 DISTRACTION, GRANTING UNPRECEDENTED POWER TO THE 106 00:07:49,311 --> 00:07:58,076 MILITARY UNDER THE GUISE OF FIGHTING THE FORCE. 107 00:07:58,176 --> 00:08:04,243 BUT THE LATE SHOW OF FORCE, $80 MILLION CITY. 108 00:08:04,343 --> 00:08:08,941 >> WE'RE ON THE WAY TO THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT. 109 00:08:09,041 --> 00:08:16,606 TO A LOCATION FOR PRIME NEW LAND. 110 00:08:16,706 --> 00:08:19,072 THERE'S MILITARY HERE. HI. 111 00:08:19,172 --> 00:08:21,340 IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN'T FILM ANYTHING? 112 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,339 >> YEAH. 113 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:28,604 >> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING, GREAT. 114 00:08:28,705 --> 00:08:28,771 -- 115 00:08:34,470 --> 00:08:34,970 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 116 00:08:35,070 --> 00:08:35,570 >> ARE YOU IMPRESS SND 117 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:38,803 >> ARE YOU IMPRESS SED? 118 00:08:38,902 --> 00:08:44,134 >> NO, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT BIG FOR A COUNTRY THAT BUILT THE 119 00:08:44,235 --> 00:08:45,069 PYRAMIDS, RIGHT. 120 00:08:45,469 --> 00:08:48,368 >> WE LEARNED 30 COUNTRIES INCLUDING THE U.S. HAS RESERVED 121 00:08:48,468 --> 00:08:53,033 LAND IN THE FUTURE DIPLOMATIC DISTRICT AN THE MILITARY IS 122 00:08:53,133 --> 00:08:56,367 BANKROLLING, THEY OWN 50% OF THE COMPANY NOW. 123 00:08:56,466 --> 00:09:01,099 >> WHY WOULD THE MILITARY OWN THE RESORT? 124 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,199 >> MAYBE. [ INAUDIBLE ] 125 00:09:05,298 --> 00:09:12,797 >> THIS IS THE EGYPT THAT SISI HAS DESIGNED FOR THE WORLD TO 126 00:09:12,897 --> 00:09:17,263 SEE, DIVERTERING FROM THE FACT ONE IN THREE EGYPTIANS LIVE IN 127 00:09:17,364 --> 00:09:19,796 POVERTY AND WHEN TAKEN BY THE GOVERNMENT THEY OFTEN HAVE 128 00:09:19,897 --> 00:09:23,028 NOWHERE TO TURN. WE CONTACTED DOZENS OF FAMILIES 129 00:09:23,128 --> 00:09:26,695 OF THOSE MISSING. FINALLY WE TRACKED DOWN A WOMAN 130 00:09:26,796 --> 00:09:31,595 WILLING TO TALK. HER HUSBAND WAS TAKEN TWO YEARS 131 00:09:31,695 --> 00:09:34,628 AGO. GIVEN NOTHING BUT A MAP TO A 132 00:09:34,728 --> 00:09:40,160 ROCK AND TOLD TO WAIT THERE. 133 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:50,425 >> WE LITERALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE WE ARE. 134 00:09:50,524 --> 00:09:55,923 THIS IS HOW PARANOID EVERYONE IS SO WE'LL WAIT HERE UNTIL SOMEONE 135 00:09:56,023 --> 00:10:03,123 MEETS US AND TAKES US TO THE NEXT LOCATION. 136 00:10:03,224 --> 00:10:08,654 >> CAN YOU TAKE ME BACK TO THE DAY YOUR HUSBAND WAS TAKEN. 137 00:10:08,754 --> 00:10:09,721 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 138 00:10:40,317 --> 00:10:45,083 >> WHEN YOU GO TO THE AUTHORITIES AND YOU ASK THEM, 139 00:10:45,182 --> 00:10:50,782 WHERE IS HE? WHAT DO THEY SAY TO YOU? 140 00:10:50,882 --> 00:10:52,349 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 141 00:11:02,113 --> 00:11:11,079 >> WHY ARE PEOPLE AFRAID TO SPEAK EVEN ANONYMOUSLY TO US? 142 00:11:11,179 --> 00:11:12,711 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 143 00:11:51,506 --> 00:11:58,638 >> I WAS AFRAID OF BEING SEEN AND SO WE ENDED THE INTERVIEW. 144 00:11:58,738 --> 00:12:01,970 WE'VE JUST FINISHED THE INTERVIEW AND YOU REALLY GET 145 00:12:02,070 --> 00:12:06,170 THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IS WATCHING WHEN SOMEONE APPROACHES 146 00:12:06,269 --> 00:12:10,202 AND SAYS, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE, YOU KIND OF 147 00:12:10,302 --> 00:12:17,834 UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE BEING SO CAUTIOUS. 148 00:12:17,935 --> 00:12:21,901 >> AFTER DOCUMENTING MULTIPLE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION WE WANTED 149 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,933 TO KNOW WHY THE U.S. CONTINUES TO PROP UP THIS REGIME. 150 00:12:28,033 --> 00:12:32,798 BIDEN FAILED TO STOP BLANK CHECKS TO TRUMP'S FAVORITE 151 00:12:32,898 --> 00:12:33,932 DICTATE DICTATOR 152 00:12:34,032 --> 00:12:36,165 DICTAT DICTATOR, SIGNALING THERE COULD 153 00:12:36,264 --> 00:12:40,065 BE CHANGE YET LESS THAN A MONTH INTO HIS PRESIDENCY THE WHITE 154 00:12:40,165 --> 00:12:48,696 HOUSE APPROVED NEARLY $2 MILLION -- WE'RE TRYING TO GET 155 00:12:48,796 --> 00:12:52,362 ANSWERS ABOUT THE U.S.'S RELATIONSHIP WITH EGYPT. 156 00:12:52,461 --> 00:12:56,162 >> YOU PREVIOUSLY SAID SELLING WEAPONS TO EGYPT DOESN'T 157 00:12:56,262 --> 00:12:58,595 INTERFERE WITH YOUR COMMITMENT TO HUMAN RIGHTS. 158 00:12:58,695 --> 00:13:03,228 CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU WILL BE FREEZING THE $1.3 BILLION 159 00:13:03,327 --> 00:13:08,692 OF FUNDING THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO EGYPT IN MILITARY AID EVERY 160 00:13:08,792 --> 00:13:09,226 YEAR. 161 00:13:10,027 --> 00:13:13,792 >> WE CAN PURSUE OUR INTERESTS AND STICK UP FOR OUR VALUES, 162 00:13:13,892 --> 00:13:19,157 IT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE'LL DO IN EGYPT AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY. 163 00:13:19,258 --> 00:13:20,224 . . 164 00:13:20,325 --> 00:13:23,456 I DON'T HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHEN IT COMES TO AID. 165 00:13:23,557 --> 00:13:28,757 AS I SAID BEFORE EGYPT HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT LEADER IN PROMOTING 166 00:13:28,856 --> 00:13:32,056 MIDDLE EAST PEACE BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS. 167 00:13:32,156 --> 00:13:37,888 >> WITH NO ANSWERS WE WENT TO CONGRESS, REPRESENTATIVE 168 00:13:37,988 --> 00:13:44,854 WHO CO WHO CO-CHAIRS THE EGYPT HUMAN 169 00:13:44,954 --> 00:13:45,921 RIGHTS CAUCUS -- 170 00:13:46,021 --> 00:13:50,820 >> HOW DO YOU ENSURE THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T COME TO 171 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,485 ANOTHER -- BUT WHEN IT COME TO CLIENT STATE CLOSES THEIR EYES. 172 00:13:54,585 --> 00:13:58,119 >> NO COUNTRY FULLY CONSISTENT, JUST AS NO HUMAN BEING IS FULLY 173 00:13:58,219 --> 00:14:00,585 CAN CONSISTENT. 174 00:14:00,685 --> 00:14:02,585 >> BUT NO COUNTRY IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN SOERNG 175 00:14:02,685 --> 00:14:06,517 INVOLVED IN SOE OTHER'S FOREIGN POLICIES. 176 00:14:06,617 --> 00:14:09,917 >> NO COUNTRY IS EXPECTED TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY THE WAY 177 00:14:10,017 --> 00:14:13,282 AMERICA IS, WE HAVE A RECORD OF DOING THE RIGHT THING 178 00:14:13,383 --> 00:14:14,083 OCCASIONALLY. 179 00:14:14,615 --> 00:14:18,981 >> WHAT ABOUT THE ABDEL FATTAH AL-SISI REFUSED TO CALL IT A 180 00:14:19,081 --> 00:14:20,181 MILITARY COUP. 181 00:14:20,282 --> 00:14:22,781 >> AND THIS INTERVIEW WITH AN AMERICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS 182 00:14:22,881 --> 00:14:27,181 BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE, I PRESUME, THAT THERE IS A CONTRADICTION. 183 00:14:27,281 --> 00:14:40,012 WHAT I WILL DO IS ARGUE OUR RAW SELF INTEREST. 184 00:14:40,112 --> 00:14:44,912 I THINK THE $1 BILLION WE GIVE TO EGYPT IS THE SINGLE MOST 185 00:14:45,012 --> 00:14:48,210 WASTEFUL PART OF AMERICA'S FOREIGN AID, THE UNITED STATES 186 00:14:48,311 --> 00:14:51,810 CAN DECIDE AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT WHETHER OR NOT IT WANTS THIS 187 00:14:51,911 --> 00:14:54,609 ARRANGEMENT WITH EGYPT OR NOT. 188 00:14:54,709 --> 00:14:58,242 >> PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN HAS UNTIL SEPTEMBER WHETHER TO SIGN OFF ON 189 00:14:58,341 --> 00:15:03,908 THE NEXT $300 MILLION IN AID TO EGYPT, PAYING UP COULD UNDERMINE 190 00:15:04,008 --> 00:15:11,840 THE RESISTANCE THAT HUMAN RIGHTS COME FIRST. 191 00:15:25,638 --> 00:15:29,570 >> YOU KNOW, IF I GO MISSING IT'S BECAUSE I DID THIS. 192 00:15:29,671 --> 00:15:34,003 >> WAIT, WAIT, WHAT WAS THAT? IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO ONE OF 193 00:15:34,104 --> 00:15:36,702 YOU GUYS IT'S BECAUSE YOU DID THIS INTERVIEW. 194 00:15:36,802 --> 00:15:41,469 >> IF ONE OF OUR VANISH TRACK THAT FY. 195 00:15:41,569 --> 00:15:43,435 >> I CAN'T TELL IF YOU'RE JOKE ORGANIZE NOT. 196 00:15:43,536 --> 00:15:45,902 >> NO. WE HAVE TO MAKE A JOKE. 197 00:15:46,002 --> 00:15:50,167 BECAUSE IT'S SO REAL. AT FORT HOOD I MADE IT BECAUSE I 198 00:15:50,268 --> 00:15:52,334 DIDN'T GET SHOT, RAPED OR KILLED. 199 00:15:52,432 --> 00:15:53,233 THAT'S A GOOD DAY. 200 00:15:53,333 --> 00:15:56,499 >> THAT'S A NORMAL JOKE. 201 00:15:56,599 --> 00:16:00,932 >> FORT HOOD WITH ONE OF THE LARGEST ARMY BASES GUYS 38,000 202 00:16:01,032 --> 00:16:06,165 ACTIVE DUTY SOLDIERS, HOME TO THIRD CORE AND FIRST CALVARY 203 00:16:06,264 --> 00:16:09,565 DIVISION, PEOPLE WHO ARE LITERALLY FIGHTING ISIS AND ONE 204 00:16:09,663 --> 00:16:13,830 OTHER THING THEY'RE KNOWN FOR, ESPECIALLY RECENTLY, IS IT'S 205 00:16:13,930 --> 00:16:17,196 CONSIDERED BY MANY ESTIMATES TO BE ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS 206 00:16:17,296 --> 00:16:22,128 BASES IN THE COUNTRY. IT HAS THE HIGHEST RATES OF 207 00:16:22,229 --> 00:16:26,628 HOMICIDE, AGGRAVATE ADD SULT HOMICIDE, AGGRAVATE ADD SUAND 208 00:16:26,729 --> 00:16:30,095 SEXUAL HARASSMENT ARMY-WISE AND MORE HAVE DIED HERE THAN OUTSIDE 209 00:16:30,195 --> 00:16:34,227 OF COMBAT. THE STORY OF FORT HOOD IS 210 00:16:34,326 --> 00:16:38,959 REPRESENTATIVE OF A BROADER PROBLEM, MILITARY JUSTICE 211 00:16:39,058 --> 00:16:43,291 SYSTEM, OPERATING INDEPENDENT OF THE CIVIL WORLD WHERE COMMANDERS 212 00:16:43,392 --> 00:16:48,124 HAVE ALMOST COMPLETE CONTROL OVER IS PROSECUTING VIOLENT 213 00:16:48,225 --> 00:16:48,725 CRIMES. 214 00:16:48,991 --> 00:16:50,557 >> I'M JUST A HUMAN BEING SCLMG 215 00:16:50,658 --> 00:16:54,656 >> THE PROBLEMS AT THIS BASE CAME TO NATIONAL ATTENTION LAST 216 00:16:54,757 --> 00:17:00,222 YEAR WHEN A 20-YEAR-OLD SOLDIER VANESSA G WENT MISSING, THE ARMY 217 00:17:00,323 --> 00:17:06,989 DIDN'T INVESTIGATE INSTEAD LABELLED HER AWOL IMPLYING SHE 218 00:17:07,088 --> 00:17:11,887 LEFT WITHOUT PERMISSION. HER BODY FOUND TWO MONTHS LATER, 219 00:17:11,988 --> 00:17:15,621 MURDERED BY A FELLOW SOLDIER. VANESSA'S FAMILY IS STILL 220 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,886 FIGHTING FOR ANSWERS. [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]. 221 00:17:32,651 --> 00:17:38,415 VANESSA ISN'T ALONE. 95 SOLDIERS WERE LISTED AS AWOL 222 00:17:38,517 --> 00:17:44,615 IN FORT HOOD IN 2020 INCLUDING GREG MORALES WHO WAS FOUND WHILE 223 00:17:44,716 --> 00:17:46,681 INVESTIGATORS WERE STILL SEARCHING FOR VANESSA. 224 00:17:46,781 --> 00:17:50,315 WHEN VIOLENT CRIME IS INVESTIGATED SOLDIERS SAY IT 225 00:17:50,414 --> 00:17:51,847 ISN'T ALWAYS TAKEN SERIOUSLY. 226 00:17:51,948 --> 00:17:58,346 >> WE'RE IN A SMALL TOWN OUTSIDE FORT HOOD, VISITING A WOMAN WHO 227 00:17:58,447 --> 00:18:06,379 WAS SEXUALLY A ASSAULTED AND LIVING VA CHECK TO VA CHECK. 228 00:18:06,479 --> 00:18:11,912 >> SHE WAS 19 WHEN SHE SAID SHE WAS AT A PARTY AFTER HER DRINK 229 00:18:12,010 --> 00:18:13,178 WAS SPIKED. 230 00:18:13,277 --> 00:18:16,477 >> I WOKE UP THE NEXTER MORNING IN HIS BED AND DIDN'T THE KNOW 231 00:18:16,576 --> 00:18:19,643 WHAT HAPPEN. WHEN I GOT TO PT IN THE MORNING 232 00:18:19,743 --> 00:18:24,809 MY PARTNER NEXT TO ME SAID YOU GOT BRUISES ALL OVER YOUR BODY. 233 00:18:24,910 --> 00:18:27,542 SO I SAID I NEED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. 234 00:18:27,642 --> 00:18:30,709 I WENT AND THAT'S WHEN THEY CONFIRMED I WAS RAPED. 235 00:18:30,808 --> 00:18:35,807 AFTER THAT THEY HAD A COUNSELLOR COME IN TO TALK TO YOU AND SAY 236 00:18:35,908 --> 00:18:39,274 HEY, CAN YOU TELL YOUR STORY. I DID AND NO ONE DID ANYTHING 237 00:18:39,373 --> 00:18:40,007 ABOUT IT. 238 00:18:40,106 --> 00:18:43,273 >> NO ONE FOLLOWED UP WITH YOU? 239 00:18:43,373 --> 00:18:44,806 >> NO ONE. IT FELT LIKE, OKAY, DID WHATEVER 240 00:18:44,905 --> 00:18:49,239 I SAY GO IN THROUGH ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER. 241 00:18:49,338 --> 00:18:51,372 THAT'S HOW I FELT. 242 00:18:51,471 --> 00:18:57,203 >> CARINA REPORTED THE ASSAULT UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, SHARK 243 00:18:57,304 --> 00:19:02,737 THE SEXUAL MISCONDUCT PROGRAM SAID THEY WOULD REPORT IT TO THE 244 00:19:02,836 --> 00:19:05,803 ARMY'S CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DIVISION BUT NO ONE WAS HELD 245 00:19:05,902 --> 00:19:08,068 ACCOUNTABLE. STORIES LIKE THIS CONTINUE TO 246 00:19:08,169 --> 00:19:12,535 SURFACE. LAST YEAR THE ARMY BROUGHT IN AN 247 00:19:12,634 --> 00:19:16,034 OUTSIDER TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS KEEPS HAPPENING. 248 00:19:16,134 --> 00:19:20,933 >> WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION 249 00:19:21,033 --> 00:19:24,200 CID, WAS THERE ANY AGENTS WHO YOU FELT WERE EXPERIENCED ENOUGH 250 00:19:24,299 --> 00:19:29,533 TO CONDUCT COMPLEX HOMICIDE OR SEXUAL ASSAULT INVESTIGATIONS? 251 00:19:29,632 --> 00:19:32,931 >> THERE WERE ONLY A COUPLE, MAYBE AS LOW AS ONE. 252 00:19:33,030 --> 00:19:39,963 AT ONE POINT 90% OF THE LISTED CID AGENTS HAD LESS THAN TWO 253 00:19:40,064 --> 00:19:45,229 EXPERIENCE AND HAD WARN OFFICERS AT 40 TO 50% OF THEM WERE 254 00:19:45,329 --> 00:19:48,962 PROBATIONARY OR APPRENTICE, THEY WEREN'T EVEN CREDENTIALS TO GO 255 00:19:49,063 --> 00:19:52,162 OUT BY THEMSELVES TO DO INTERVIEWS. 256 00:19:52,261 --> 00:19:55,328 >> IN DECEMBER THEY PUBLISHED THE FINDING IN AN EXTENSIVE 257 00:19:55,428 --> 00:19:57,361 REPORT. THE MOST CONCERNING THING THEY 258 00:19:57,460 --> 00:20:00,960 FOUND DEALT WITH MILITARY PROSECUTORS OR JAGS WHEN WERE 259 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:04,126 SOMETIMES PRESSURED BY COMMANDERS TO SIDELINE SOLID 260 00:20:04,227 --> 00:20:05,259 CRIMINAL CASES. 261 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:10,026 >> WHAT WE SAW WAS A PRETTY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN 262 00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:13,725 MILITARY JAG ADVISORS AND COMMANDING OFFICERS. 263 00:20:13,825 --> 00:20:21,591 SO WHEN VICTIMS CAME IN OR THESE CASES CAME IN THERE WAS A 264 00:20:21,691 --> 00:20:22,824 DEFERENCE TOWARDS THE SUBJECT AND DISPOSING OF THE CASE AS 265 00:20:22,923 --> 00:20:27,556 QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I CALL 266 00:20:27,655 --> 00:20:29,389 OFF RAMPS. 267 00:20:29,489 --> 00:20:32,755 YOU CAN TAKE A SET OF FACTS IN A CASE AND SAY THERE'S NO 268 00:20:32,855 --> 00:20:34,588 PROSECUTION HERE. IT STOPS HERE. 269 00:20:34,689 --> 00:20:37,421 THAT'S AN OPINION THEY RENDER EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 270 00:20:37,521 --> 00:20:41,254 SECOND PART, THEY CAN DECIDE THEY'RE GOING TO GO 271 00:20:41,354 --> 00:20:45,086 ADMINISTRATIVE INSTEAD OF COURT MARSHALL, THE MILITARY 272 00:20:45,187 --> 00:20:48,085 EQUIVALENT OF A TRIAL. SO WE SAW A LOT OF THE CASES 273 00:20:48,185 --> 00:20:51,685 TOOK THE OFF RAMP BEFORE THEY GOT TO COURT MARSHALL AND IF 274 00:20:51,786 --> 00:20:56,318 THEY DID GET TO COURT MARTIAL MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THE CASES 275 00:20:56,419 --> 00:20:57,485 WERE LOST. 276 00:20:57,585 --> 00:21:00,485 >> IT SEEMS AT EVERY STAGE THERE'S PEOPLE IN POSITION OF 277 00:21:00,585 --> 00:21:03,284 POWER WHO ARE JUST TOSSING CASES. 278 00:21:03,383 --> 00:21:06,017 >> NO CASES, NO PROBLEMS. 279 00:21:06,116 --> 00:21:10,482 >> THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED DON'T JUST HAPPEN AT 280 00:21:10,583 --> 00:21:15,949 FORT HOOD, MEMBERS HAVE BEEN LABELLED AWOL UNDER SUSPICIOUS 281 00:21:16,048 --> 00:21:22,480 BASES, MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY SAYING THEIR DEATH NOT PROPERLY 282 00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:24,581 INVESTIGATED. AND THE NUMBER OF REPORTED 283 00:21:24,681 --> 00:21:28,180 ASSAULTS CONTINUE TO RISE. MILITARY-WIDE THE CONVICTION 284 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:32,246 RATE IS LESS THAN FIVE PERCENT. THIS MARINE SAYS AFTER THE 285 00:21:32,345 --> 00:21:37,345 SERGEANT WHO ASSAULTED HER CONFESSED THE CASE WAS DROPPED. 286 00:21:37,444 --> 00:21:42,643 >> THIS IS WHY FEMALES IN THE MILITARY KILL THEMSELVES. 287 00:21:42,743 --> 00:21:45,044 NO ONE TAKES IT SERIOUSLY. 288 00:21:45,143 --> 00:21:49,410 >> WE TRACKED DOWN A MILITARY INSIDER WHO HAS EXPERIENCED IT 289 00:21:49,509 --> 00:21:52,008 HIMSELF. WE'RE IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, TO 290 00:21:52,110 --> 00:21:57,908 MEET UP WITH A RETIRED AIR FORCE JAG WHO PROSECUTED CASES FOR TEN 291 00:21:58,008 --> 00:22:01,241 YEARS AND REPRESENTS SERVICE MEMBERS IN EVERY BRANCH OF THE 292 00:22:01,341 --> 00:22:05,906 MILITARY AND TODAY HE'S BLOWING THE WHISTLE ON WHAT HE SAYS IS A 293 00:22:06,007 --> 00:22:08,141 MILITARY-WIDE PROBLEM THAT ALLOWS FOR COVER UPS. 294 00:22:08,239 --> 00:22:11,539 DID YOU EVER HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WHERE YOU FELT YOU HAD A STRONG 295 00:22:11,639 --> 00:22:15,171 CASE, YOU WANTED TO PROSECUTE IT AND THE COMMANDER SAID NO. 296 00:22:15,271 --> 00:22:19,904 >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. OFTEN THESE CASES WERE OFF 297 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:24,238 RAMPED TO OTHER RESOLUTIONS OR JUST WENT AWAY AND DIDN'T EVEN 298 00:22:24,337 --> 00:22:25,371 DISCUSS IT. 299 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:32,037 >> DID YOU EVER COME ACROSS CASES OF VIOLENT CRIME THE 300 00:22:32,136 --> 00:22:36,768 PERPETRATOR WASN'T PROSECUTED AND THEIR NAME CAME UP LATER 301 00:22:36,868 --> 00:22:37,501 REOFFENDED. 302 00:22:37,868 --> 00:22:40,602 >> ABSOLUTELY. I'M AWARE OF HUNDREDS OF CASES 303 00:22:40,701 --> 00:22:41,835 LIKE THAT. 304 00:22:42,035 --> 00:22:45,901 >> VICTIMS OF VIOLENT CRIME AND FAMILIES SAY THIS IS THE SYSTEM 305 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,600 ALL BRANCHES OF MILITARY THAT ALLOW FOR WIDESPREAD COVER UP, 306 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:53,633 DO YOU FEEL THAT'S A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION. 307 00:22:53,732 --> 00:22:56,966 >> THE SYSTEM AS IT EXISTS TODAY ALLOWS FOR CASES TO BE COVERED 308 00:22:57,066 --> 00:23:00,466 UP, NOT FULLY INVESTIGATED, MADE TO GO AWAY. 309 00:23:00,566 --> 00:23:03,897 >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FAMILIES WHO DISPUTE THE CAUSE 310 00:23:03,998 --> 00:23:07,597 OF THEIR CHILD'S DEATH, THE ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION WAS POOR, 311 00:23:07,697 --> 00:23:10,363 THE INFORMATION IS CLASSIFIED, I MEAN, WHERE DO THEY GO? 312 00:23:10,463 --> 00:23:15,629 >> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. 313 00:23:15,729 --> 00:23:19,961 >> THE REPORTS WE HAVE HEARD SHOULD DISTURB EVERYONE. 314 00:23:20,062 --> 00:23:24,662 >> I AM TIRED OF EXCUSES. I AM TIRED OF THE STATEMENTS I 315 00:23:24,761 --> 00:23:28,194 GET OVERnd OVER FROM THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, WE GOT THIS MA'AM, 316 00:23:28,295 --> 00:23:30,527 WE GOT THIS. YOU DON'T HAVE IT! 317 00:23:30,626 --> 00:23:32,393 YOU'RE FAILING US! 318 00:23:32,493 --> 00:23:41,357 >> A BIPARTISAN GROUP OF SENATORS LED BY ZBIBL GILLIBRAND 319 00:23:41,459 --> 00:23:47,057 AND TED CRUZ HAVE BEEN FIGHTING TO ALLOW TRAINED MILITARY 320 00:23:47,158 --> 00:23:51,589 PROSECUTORS TO DECIDE WHICH CRIMES TO PROSECUTE AND NOW 321 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:56,390 EFFECTIVELY A BILL WILL TAKE THE PROSECUTION OUT FOR VIOLENT 322 00:23:56,489 --> 00:23:58,489 CRIME OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. 323 00:23:58,588 --> 00:24:02,689 DURING OUR INVESTIGATION THE ARMY GAVE US AN INTERVIEW WITH 324 00:24:02,787 --> 00:24:07,055 THE MAN TASKED WITH TURNING AROUND FORT HOOD, MAJOR 325 00:24:07,153 --> 00:24:07,822 RICHARDSSON. 326 00:24:08,354 --> 00:24:11,020 >> I HEARD FROM EXPERTS INCLUDING VETERANS WHO SAYS THE 327 00:24:11,121 --> 00:24:15,487 FUTURE OF THE U.S. ARMY HINGES ON WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISH HERE 328 00:24:15,586 --> 00:24:16,786 WOULD YOU AGREE. 329 00:24:16,885 --> 00:24:22,985 >> WE'VE HAD A TRUST ISSUE WITH OUR SHOULDERS AND WE'RE FOCUSED 330 00:24:23,085 --> 00:24:27,950 ON REBUILDING THAT TRUST WITH OUR SOLDIERS, THINK FAMILY AND 331 00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:29,184 AMERICAN PEOPLE. 332 00:24:29,285 --> 00:24:32,483 >> BIPARTISAN AMERICAN LEADERS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THE POWER 333 00:24:32,584 --> 00:24:35,650 TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND FEEL INDEPENDENT 334 00:24:35,749 --> 00:24:39,682 PROCESS YOUTHORS SHOULD BE PROSECUTING CRIMES IN THE 335 00:24:39,783 --> 00:24:41,681 MILITARY. WHAT'S THE PUSH BACK IN THE 336 00:24:41,781 --> 00:24:42,348 MILITARY. 337 00:24:42,915 --> 00:24:45,481 >> THE CHAIN OF COMMAND IS CENTRAL TO GOOD ORDER AND 338 00:24:45,582 --> 00:24:48,948 DISCIPLINE IN A MILITARY ORGANIZATION SO WE ENTRUST THE 339 00:24:49,047 --> 00:24:52,648 COMMANDERS AT EVERY LEVEL TO ENFORCE GOOD ORDER AND 340 00:24:52,748 --> 00:24:55,579 DISCIPLINE AND ONCE YOU TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE COMMANDER AND 341 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:01,979 PUT IT INTO THE HANDS OF AN OUTSIDE AGENCY YOU'VE ALREADY 342 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:06,412 ARE DEMONSTRATING A LACK OF TRUST FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 343 00:25:06,511 --> 00:25:07,745 TO THE MILITARY. 344 00:25:07,845 --> 00:25:13,844 >> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY, THE CHAIN OF COMMAND 345 00:25:13,943 --> 00:25:17,242 COMMANDERS HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY CANNOT DO THIS, THEY CANNOT SELF 346 00:25:17,343 --> 00:25:21,875 POLICE THEIR OWN SOLDIERS AND I GUESS AT WHAT POINT DO THEY NO 347 00:25:21,976 --> 00:25:26,475 LONGER EARN THAT PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO SELF-POLICE? 348 00:25:26,575 --> 00:25:30,240 >> IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO COMMANDERS DEMONSTRATING THROUGH 349 00:25:30,341 --> 00:25:33,107 THEIR ACTIONS THAT THEY WILL TAKE ACTION AND HOLD THEIR 350 00:25:33,208 --> 00:25:37,173 LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE. SOME HAVE BAD HABITS BUT CAN 351 00:25:37,274 --> 00:25:39,007 CHANGE. THEN THERE WILL BE SOME THAT 352 00:25:39,106 --> 00:25:40,873 DON'T CHANGE. THEY'LL HAVE TO GO. 353 00:25:40,972 --> 00:25:43,704 BECAUSE IT WILL BE CANCEROUS. 354 00:25:43,806 --> 00:25:47,671 >> IN RESPONSE TO THE ALLEGATIONS IN THIS STORY THE 355 00:25:47,771 --> 00:25:53,136 ARMY ENCOURAGES ALL SOLDIERS TO VOICE THEIR SAFETY CONCERNS, 356 00:25:53,237 --> 00:25:56,636 THAT THEY VOLUNTARY PUBLISH RESULTS FOR PUNISHMENT OF SEX 357 00:25:56,737 --> 00:26:00,002 CRIMES. TWO DECADES OF COMBAT AND PTSD 358 00:26:00,103 --> 00:26:03,402 THAT COMES WITH IT WILL MAKE THIS JOB HARDER. 359 00:26:03,501 --> 00:26:09,134 THIS IS A GENERATION OF LEADERS TRAINED TO GO TO WAR NOT 360 00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:12,535 PRIORITIZE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE SOLDIERS. 361 00:26:12,634 --> 00:26:15,600 THE ARMY DID FIRE 14 SERVICE MEMBERS . 362 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:21,799 THEY PROMISE TO INVESTIGATE MISSING PERSONS CASES. 363 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:25,332 AND SHOWING HOW THIS HE WILL PRIORITIZE THE WELL-BEING OF 364 00:26:25,432 --> 00:26:30,265 THEIR SOLDIERS BUT SO FAR LOWER RANKING SOLDIERS ARE SKEPTICAL. 365 00:26:30,364 --> 00:26:34,398 >> THERE ARE REFORMS, HAVE THEY WORKING? 366 00:26:34,497 --> 00:26:37,030 >> THERE'S HALF MEASURES. THAT'S OFTEN WHAT HAPPENS. 367 00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:40,729 PEOPLE ARE SO PREOCCUPIED WITH TRYING TO MAKE THE PROGRAM LOOK 368 00:26:40,829 --> 00:26:45,462 GOOD THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WORRY ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT RUN 369 00:26:45,563 --> 00:26:46,129 PROPERLY. 370 00:26:46,229 --> 00:26:49,429 >> YOU'RE CALLING BULLSHIT. 371 00:26:49,528 --> 00:26:55,894 >> I'VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE, OKAY, SOLDIER GETS RAPED, SHARP 372 00:26:55,995 --> 00:26:58,493 CLASS, GOOD BUY. ALL OF THE LEADERS IN THE ARMY 373 00:26:58,594 --> 00:27:01,027 HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. 374 00:27:01,126 --> 00:27:05,360 THEIR MAIN PRIORITY WAS TO FIGHT AND WIN WARS BUT IT'S A 375 00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:07,125 DIFFERENT WAR NOW AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL IN 376 00:27:07,225 --> 00:27:18,623 CHARGE.