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>>> DO YOU BELIEVE BRITTNEY       
 GRINER IS A POLITICAL PRISONER?

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>> SHE'S BLACK, SHE'S OPENLY      
 GAY, SHE'S A WNBA PLAYER.

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>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BG.

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>> THE ONLY ANSWER IS THROUGH     
 PUBLIC OUTCRY.

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YOU'RE DEALING WITH A DICTATOR.

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>> WHY ARE SO MANY U.S.           
 CONSERVATIVES COMING TO HUNGARY?

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>> I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT I KNOW    
 THAT IT'S DANGEROUS.

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>> THE U.S. REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS 
 BEEN ALL TALK AND NO ACTION.

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>> WHEN YOU HAVE POWER, YOU HAVE 
 TO USE IT.

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>> VIKTOR ORBAN IS A PRIME        
 MINISTER WHO HAS USED

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UN-DEMOCRATIC TACTICS TO          
 MAINTAIN POWER.

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>> SO YOU'RE COMING HERE TO       
 LEARN A NEW CONSERVE

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LEARN A NEW CONSERVATISM LEARN A 
      NEW CONSERVATCONSERVATI?

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>> IT COULD BE A WINNING MODEL    
 FOR CONSERVATIVES.

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[ CROWD SINGING ]

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>> WE'RE HERE AT THE TOURNAMENT   
 WHERE SOME OF THE WNBA'S BEST

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PLAYERS SPEND THEIR OFF SEASON    
 PLAYING OVERSEAS.

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>> NEARLY HALF OF ALL THE         
 PLAYERS IN THE WNBA ALSO PLAY

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OVERSEAS.                         
 BUT THIS YEAR, ONE OF THE TOP

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AMERICAN PLAYERS IN THE EURO      
 LEAGUE IS SITTING IN A RUSSIAN

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JAIL.

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>> ABC NEWS HAS LEARNED THAT      
 WNBA PLAYER AND TWO-TIME SAUCE

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GOLD MEDALLIST BRITTNEY GRINER    
 IS DETAINED IN RUSSIA FOR

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ALLEGEDLY HAVING VAPE             
 CARTRIDGES.

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>> RUSSIA'S MAIN STATE NEWS       
 CHANNEL IS SHOWING THIS PHOTO.

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>> Reporter: SEVEN-TIME WNBA ALL 
 STAR WAS ARRESTED ON DRUG

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CHARGES IN THE MOSCOW AIRPORT ON 
 FEBRUARY 17th.

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HER ARREST CAME JUST AS THE       
 WORLD WAS BRACING FOR THE

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INVASION OF UKRAINE.              
 BUT WEEKS PASSED BEFORE RUSSIAN

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OFFICIALS ANNOUNCED HER           
 DETAINMENT.

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[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]

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>> YOU KNOW, I'VE PLAYED WITH BG 
 OVERSEAS.

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AND I WAS SCARED FOR HER.

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>> MY STOMACH DROPPED.            
 YOU KNOW, I -- LIKE, I TEARED

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UP.                               
 IT HIT HARD.

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AND IT HIT HARD BECAUSE IT        
 LITERALLY COULD HAVE BEEN ANY OF

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US.

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>> Reporter: BRIANNE JANUARY AND 
 KAYLA McBRIDE HAVE PLAYED WITH

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AND AGAINST GRINER OVER THE LAST 
 DECADE, BOTH AT HOME AND ABROAD.

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>> WE ARE CONSTANTLY COMING INTO 
 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND, YOU

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KNOW, WE'RE HERE BY OURSELVES.    
 IT JUST BRINGS US BACK TO, YOU

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KNOW, WHY SHE WAS IN THAT         
 SITUATION.

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>> Reporter: CAN YOU TALK A       
 LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY SO

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MANY WNBA PLAYERS PLAY THERE IN   
 THE OFF SEASON?

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>> IT COMES WITH PLAYING          
 PROFESSIONAL WOMEN'S BASKETBALL.

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IT'S TO SUPPLEMENT INCOME.

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>> THAT'S THE HARDEST THING, SHE 
 FEELS LIKE SHE STILL HAS TO BE

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OVER HERE.

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>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRITTNEY   
 GRINER.

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>> EXACTLY, ALL STAR, USA, GOLD   
 OLYMPIANS.

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IT'S CRAZY THAT SHE FEELS LIKE    
 SHE STILL HAS TO GO OVER THERE.

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>> THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN       
 AVOIDED IF WE COULD STAY HOME

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AND LIVING IN THE WNBA.

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>> SLAM DUNK, BRITTNEY GRINER!

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>> Reporter: THE AVERAGE WNBA     
 PLAYER MAKES

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$120,000 A YEAR IN A CAREER THAT 
 ONLY LASTS A FEW YEARS.

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PLAYING ABROAD HELPS THEM MAKE    
 THE MOST OF THEIR EARNING

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POTENTIAL.                        
 GRINER IS A TOP TALENT, EARNING

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THE WNBA'S MAX                    
 SALARY OF $228,000.

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BUT SHE EARNS $1 MILLION A YEAR. 
 WAS SHE ARRESTED WHILE RETURNING

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TO RUSSIA TO PLAY.                
 AT THE DIRECTION OF THE STATE

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DEPARTMENT, THE WNBA STAYED       
 RELATIVELY QUIET DURING THE

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FIRST FEW WEEKS OF HER            
 INCARCERATION.

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>> THE WORD AMONG WOMEN'S         
 BASKETBALL LEAGUE IS THAT THE

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PLAYERS SHOULD NOT MAKE A,        
 QUOTE, BIG FUSS.

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IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO   
 BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT DOING THE

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BEST THING TO ENSURE THAT WE      
 DON'T COMPROMISE HER COMING

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HOME.

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>> OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN A VERY      
 COMPLEX GEOPOLITICAL SITUATION

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WITH RUSSIA, UKRAINE.             
 OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING A TON OF

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SUPPORT FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND   
 I KNOW THE PLAYERS HAVE BEEN

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AMAZING, FOLLOWING THE ADVICE     
 THAT THEY'RE GETTING AND WE'RE

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GETTING IN ORDER NOT TO           
 JEOPARDIZE HER SAFETY IN ANY

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WAY.

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>> Reporter: WITH LIMITED FACTS, 
 THE

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MOTIVATION BEHIND GRINER'S        
 ARREST BECAME THE SUBJECT OF

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INTENSE MEDIA SPECULATION.

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>> WHAT A COINCIDENCE.            
 IT'S JUST NOW DURING THIS WAR

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THAT THEY ARE DETAINING HER AND   
 FINDING SOMETHING.

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>> THE RUSSIANS ARE NOTORIOUS     
 FOR PLANTING DRUGS.

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>> A BLACK WOMAN, OVER 6 FEET     
 TALL, OF QUEER IDENTITY, HIGH,

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HIGH STAKES FOR BRITNEY.          
 WE HAVE TO GET HER HOME.

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>> I THINK THE FACT THAT WE'VE    
 SEEN THIS ESCALATION, THE

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DECLARATION OF WAR IN UKRAINE,    
 AND THE AMERICAN RESPONSE TO

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THAT, ALL OF THESE CAN            
 EXACERBATE HER CASE.

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>> Reporter: KIMBERLY ST. JULIAN 
 IS A RESEARCHER AT THE

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UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA WHO    
 HAS

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STUDIED THE HISTORY OF RACE       
 RELATIONS IN THE SOVIET UNION.

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>> DO YOU THINK THE WAY IT'S      
 BEEN COVERED IN THE AMERICAN

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MEDIA, THERE WAS KIND OF THIS     
 AUTOMATIC KNEE-JERK REACTION OR

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ASSUMPTION THAT SHE BEING         
 TREATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF

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HER IDENTITY?

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>> WITHIN THE WEEK EVERYONE WAS   
 KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, OKAY,

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SHE'S BLACK, SHE'S OPENLY GAY,    
 AND SHE'S A WNBA PLAYER, THEY

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KIND OF PUT ALL HER IDENTITIES    
 TOGETHER.

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WHAT WORRIED ME, IS SHE'S A       
 POLITICAL PAWN AND THIS IS ALL A

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SCAM, AND I'M LIKE, WE CAN'T SAY 
 THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN WE DON'T

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HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT HER    
 CASE.

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THIS SITUATION REQUIRES NUANCE.   
 SO A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID,

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WELL, IF THIS WAS TOM BRADY OR    
 ANOTHER FAMOUS WHITE ATHLETE, WE

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WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE SENDING IN    
 THE TROOPS.

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AND THAT'S NOT TRUE.              
 AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY

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CAREFUL WITH HOW IT DEALS WITH    
 AMERICANS THAT ARE IN RUSSIAN

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CUSTODY.                          
 THE PROCESS HAS KIND OF ALWAYS

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BEEN, ALLOW THE RUSSIAN LEGAL     
 PROCESS TO WORK.

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>> THE FACT THAT THEY RELEASED    
 HER MUG SHOT AND A VIDEO OF THE

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SEARCH AT THE AIRPORT, WHAT DOES 
 THAT TELL YOU ABOUT HOW THEY

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MIGHT BE HANDLING HER, WHAT       
 MESSAGE MIGHT THEY BE TRYING TO

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SEND BY RELEASING THAT?

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>> I THINK IT IS PROOF OF LIFE.   
 AND I THINK THE VIDEO OF HER

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GOING TO THE COURTROOM, AND YOU   
 SEE SHE'S WELL-DRESSED, SHE'S

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CLEAN, HER HAIR IS DONE, ALL      
 THOSE ARE RUSSIA STRATEGIC

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RELEASING INFORMATION TO SHOW     
 SHE'S OKAY AND WE'RE NOT

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MISTREATING HER.                  
 BECAUSE THEY KNOW AMERICAN EYES

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ARE ON THEM.                      
 SOCIAL MEDIA, BLACK TWITTER HAS

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HELPED KEEP PROFILING HER AND     
 THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE NEED TO

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REMEMBER.                         
 THIS ISN'T A TV SHOW.

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THIS IS THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN      
 YEARS OF HER EXISTENCE THAT

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COULD BE IN A RUSSIAN PRISON      
 CELL.

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>> Reporter: THE RUSSIAN LEGAL    
 SYSTEM DIFFERS GREATLY FROM THE

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U.S.                              
 MOST CASES NEVER SEE A JURY AND

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ARE DECIDED SOLELY BY A JUDGE.    
 GRINER WAS ARRESTED UNDER

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BROADLY-WRITTEN DRUG LAWS THAT    
 HAVE BEEN AGGRESSIVELY USED TO

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TARGET JOURNAL OICHTS TARGET    
     JOURNAL OICISTS AND POLIL

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ACTIVISTS AND OFTEN CARRY         
 LENGTHY SENTENCES.

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>> CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT   
 BRITTNEY IS UP AGAINST AS FAR AS

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HOW HER CASE WILL PLAY OUT?

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[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]

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DO YOU BELIEVE BRITTNEY GRINER    
 IS BEING HELD AS A POLITICAL

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PRISONER?

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>> EVERYTHING BECAME POSSIBLE AS 
 PUTIN DECIDED TO ASSAULT

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UKRAINE.                          
 TODAY WE SEE A LOT OF

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UNPREDICTABLE THINGS.             
 USUALLY

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USUA                              
 USUALLY, I DO NOT THINK

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SEARCHING FOR THEM IN THE         
 LUGGAGE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S

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HIGH LEVEL SPORT PERSON, THEY     
 DID IT INTENTIONALLY, OBVIOUSLY.

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I THINK THERE ARE SOME            
 CONSIDERATIONS.

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>> WHENEVER AN AMERICAN IS        
 DETAINED ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD

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WE OF COURSE STAND READY TO       
 PROVIDE ANY POSSIBLE ASSISTANCE,

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AND THAT INCLUDES IN RUSSIA.

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>> Reporter: IN 2020, FOLLOWING   
 THE DEATH OF A CIA AGENT IN

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IRANIAN CUSTODY, THE U.S.         
 CODIFIED WHEN THE GOVERNMENT CAN

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PURSUE THE RELEASE OF ITS         
 CITIZENS BEING HELD ABROAD.

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TYPICALLY THE U.S. ALLOWS THE     
 RUSSIAN LEGAL SYSTEM TO RUN ITS

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COURSE.                           
 BUT ON MAY 3rd, THE STATE

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DEPARTMENT OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED 
 GRINER AS BEING WRONGFULLY

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DETAINED.

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>> THEIR SON WAS TAKEN PRISONER   
 BY RUSSIA BECAUSE OF HIS SERVICE

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TO THIS PRESIDENT AND THE FORMER 
 PRESIDENT.

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>> Reporter: ONE OF THE ONLY      
 OTHER RECENT HIGH PROFILE

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DETAINMENTS IN RUSSIA WAS FORMER 
 MARINE TREVOR REED.

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>> HE'S REALLY SICK, POSSIBLY AN 
 ACTIVE CASE OF TB, A BROKEN RIB.

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WE NEED TO GET OUR SON BACK HOME 
 SO HE CAN GET MEDICAL CARE AND

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CAN GET ON WITH HIS LIFE.

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>> Reporter: REED WAS ARRESTED    
 IN 2019 AFTER A DRUNKEN INCIDENT

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INVOLVING AN ASSAULT ON A         
 RUSSIAN OFFICER IN MOSCOW.

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HE WAS SENTENCED TO NINE YEARS    
 IN PRISON.

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THE STATE DEPARTMENT CALLED HIS   
 TRIAL, QUOTE, THEATER OF THE

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ABSURD.                           
 OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS OF

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REEDS TIRELESSLY CAMPAIGNED FOR   
 HIS RELEASE.

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>> I SPENT 14 MONTHS IN MOSCOW    
 FOR MY SON'S TRIAL.

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SO WE'VE SEEN THE PRISONS.        
 YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AT THE

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PRISONS AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY   
 AND NIGHT, PRE-DETENTION

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CENTERS, WHICH ARE HORRIBLE, AND 
 THAT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO WHERE

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SHE WILL BE DETAINED.

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>> DO YOU THINK IT'S LED TO ANY   
 PROGRESS?

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>> WE'RE NOT SURE.

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>> WE BELIEVE THE ONLY ANSWER IS 
 A PRISONER TRADE AND THE ONLY

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WAY TO GET THAT DONE, ESPECIALLY 
 NOW, IS THROUGH PUBLIC OUTCRY.

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>> Reporter: JUST A FEW WEEKS     
 AFTER WE SPOKE, THE BIDEN

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ADMINISTRATION WAS ABLE TO        
 SECURE REED'S FREEDOM IN

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EXCHANGE FOR A RUSSIAN HELD IN    
 U.S. PRISON SINCE 2011.

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IN A SCENE REMINISCENT OF THE     
 COLD WAR, THE TWO CROSSED PATHS

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ON THE CAR MACK                   
 ON THE CAR MAK

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ON THE CAR TARMAC AS THEY HEAD   
 BACK TO THEIR RESPECTIVE

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COUNTRIES.                        
 GRINER'S WIFE TOOK TO INSTAGRAM

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THE DAY REED WAS RELEASED TO      
 CELEBRATE HIS RETURN.

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>> THE STRATEGY IS WE DON'T WANT 
 TO MAKE HER SEEM MORE VALUABLE,

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TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET 
 HER HOME.

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>> WE THOUGHT THE SAME THING,     
 WITH REED HAVING BEEN A

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PRESIDENTIAL GUARD.               
 IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

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SHE'S VALUABLE NO MATTER WHAT     
 BECAUSE SHE'S AN AMERICAN.

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>> IT'S UP TO EACH FAMILY AND     
 INDIVIDUAL HOW THEY HANDLE THE

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SITUATION.                        
 WE JUST WANT HER FAMILY TO KNOW,

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IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN IMAGINE      
 WHAT SHE'S GOING THROUGH, WE

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KNOW WHAT SHE'S GOING THROUGH.

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>> IT'S A HORRIBLE THING.

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>> THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS NOW    
 LEADING AN EFFORT TO SECURE

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GRINER'S RELEASE.                 
 MEANWHILE, GRINER'S PRETRIAL

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DETENTION HAS BEEN EXTENDED AS    
 RUSSIAN INVESTIGATORS PREPARE TO

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PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS BEFORE A   
 JUDGE.

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WHILE HER FATE REMAINS            
 UNCERTAIN, WE DO KNOW THAT AS

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RECENTLY AS 2018, RUSSIAN COURTS 
 HAD A CONVICTION RATE OF OVER

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99%.                              
 THE CHARGES BEING BROUGHT

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AGAINST GRINER CARRY A SENTENCE   
 OF UP TO TEN YEARS IN PRISON.

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IF YOU COULD SEND A MESSAGE TO    
 BRITTNEY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO

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HER?

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>> JUST THAT WE'RE PRAYING FOR    
 YOU, WE LOVE YOU, STAY STRONG,

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AND THAT WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO   
 KNOW WHAT SHE FEELS INSIDE, BUT

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WHENEVER SHE DOES GET HOME,       
 WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR HER,

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WHATEVER SHE NEEDS, WE GOT HER.

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>> Reporter: THIS IS CPAC, THE    
 LARGEST ANNUAL GATHERING OF

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CONSERVATIVES FROM ACROSS THE     
 U.S.

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>> 2022 WILL BE THE YEAR THAT     
 BILLIONS OF EVERYDAY CITIZENS

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STAND UP TO THE LEFT WING         
 FASCISTS

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FASCI                             
 FASCISTS.

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>> Reporter: MORE THAN A YEAR     
 AFTER TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION

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AND WITH MIDTERMS ON THE          
 HORIZON, AN UNLIKELY COUNTRY HAS

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BEEN EMERGED AS THE EPICENTER OF 
 A NEW GLOBAL CONSERVATIVE

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MOVEMENT.                         
 HUNGARY.

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>> HERE IN AMERICA, AS WELL AS    
 IN MY BELOVED COUNTRY, HUNGARY,

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THEY EMBRACE THE TRUE VALUES OF   
 WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

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GOD, OUR HOMELAND, AND THE        
 FAMILY.

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THE WAY WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE       
 BEFORE.

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PROTECTING THE CHILDREN IS        
 WHAT'S AT STAKE IN THE UPCOMING

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HUNGARY ELECTION IN EARLY APRIL. 
 CONSERVATIVES LED BY ONE OF THE

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TRUE CHAMPIONS OF LIBERTY, A MAN 
 YOU KNOW WELL, PRIME MINISTER

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VIKTOR ORBAN.

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>> Reporter: VIKTOR ORBAN BECAME 
 PRIME MINISTER IN 2010 AND HE'S

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RULED THE COUNTRY GUIDED BY THE   
 BELIEF THAT HUNGARY CAN ONLY BE

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SAVED FROM IMMIGRATION AND        
 MULTICULTURALISM BY RESTORING

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HIS CHRISTIAN IDENTITY.

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[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]

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DURING THE GLOBAL REFUGEE CRISIS 
 IN 2015, ORBAN IMPLEMENTED THE

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HARSHEST ANTIREFUGEE MEASURES IN 
 THE EUROPEAN UNION.

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HE BUILT A BORDER WALL TO         
 PREVENT THEM FROM ENTERING

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HUNGARY.                          
 HIS TOUGH STANCE ON IMMIGRATION

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CATAPULTED HIM INTO THE           
 LIMELIGHT AND MADE HIM A

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CONSERVATIVE HERO IN THE U.S.     
 CULTURE WARS.

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>> OF THE NEARLY 200 DIFFERENT    
 COUNTRIES ON THE FACE OF THE

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EARTH, PRECISELY ONE OF THEM HAS 
 AN ELECTED LEADER WHO PUBLICLY

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IDENTIFIES AS A WESTERN STYLE     
 CONSERVATIVE.

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HIS NAME IS VIKTOR ORBAN.

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>> VIKTOR ORBAN HAS DONE A        
 TREMENDOUS JOB IN SO MANY

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DIFFERENT WAYS, PROBABLY LIKE     
 ME, A LITTLE BIT CONTROVERSIAL

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BUT THAT'S OKAY.

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>> Reporter: NOW RIGHT WING       
 AMERICANS, MANY ON FELLOWSHIPS

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BACKED IN PART BY THE HUNGARIAN   
 GOVERNMENT, ARE FLOCKING TO

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BUDAPEST, HOPING TO EXPORT THE    
 ORBAN MODEL BACK TO THE U.S.

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>> WELCOME TO BUDAPEST.

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>> Reporter: STEPHEN SHAW IS ONE 
 SUCH FELLOW, HERE TO STUDY HOW

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ORBAN'S GOVERNMENT IS PRESENTING 
 ITSELF AS A DEFENDER OF WESTERN

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VALUES.

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>> WHY WOULDN'T I WANT TO BE      
 SURROUNDED BY BEAUTIFUL

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BUILDINGS LIKE THIS THAT REMIND   
 ME OF WHERE I CAME FROM?

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>> Reporter: WHY IS THERE AN      
 APPEAL TO THE PAST?

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>> FOR MANY PEOPLE, APPEALING TO 
 THE PAST IS IMPORTANT, IT'S

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REMINDING PEOPLE THAT YOU COME    
 FROM A GREAT LINE OF PEOPLE.

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>> Reporter: WHO ARE THESE        
 GENTLEMEN ON HORSEBACK COMING ON

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THE STREET WHO ARE CLEARLY        
 DRESSED LIKE THEY'RE NOT FROM

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THIS TIME PERIOD?

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>> OBVIOUSLY REENACTORS.          
 IT'S PART OF THAT HARKENING BACK

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TO HUNGARIAN TRADITION.

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>> Reporter: WHAT IS IT ABOUT     
 BUDAPEST THAT MAKES IT APPEALING

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TO U.S. CONSERVATIVES LIKE        
 YOURSELF?

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>> HUNGARY IS A PLACE WHERE       
 POLICIES CAN BE PUT INTO

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PRACTICE.                         
 THERE'S A LOT OF FEELING THAT

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TRUMP HAS TALKED A LOT BUT        
 DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO A LOT.

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I THINK THERE'S A PERCEPTION IN   
 ORBAN, DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT

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SOMETHING BUT CONCRETELY DO.

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>> Reporter: WHAT ARE SOME OF     
 THE THOSE POLICIES THAT YOU WANT

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TO TAKE FROM HUNGARY AND BRING    
 BACK TO THE U.S.?

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>> FOR ME ONE OF THE MAIN ONES    
 WOULD BE FAMILY POLICY.

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A FUNCTIONAL FAMILY IS ONE OF     
 THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THINGS IN THE

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WORLD.

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>> Reporter: FOR DECADES, SMALL   
 GOVERNMENT HAS DEFINED THE U.S.

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REPUBLICAN PARTY.                 
 BUT HUNGARY IS DEMONSTRATING

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IT'S EASIER TO IMPLEMENT          
 CONSERVATIVE POLICIES WITH THE

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FULL MIGHT OF THE GOVERNMENT      
 LIKE POPULATION DECLINE WHICH

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MANY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ARE       
 FACING INCLUDING HUNGARY.

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THE ORBAN GOVERNMENT HAS CHOSEN   
 TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES BY GIVING

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STRAIGHT FAMILIES FINANCIAL       
 INCENTIVE TO, WELL, MAKE MORE

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HUNGARIANS.

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THIS WOMAN IS A MOTHER WHO        
 BENEFITS FROM THE FAMILY POLICY.

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WITH FIVE CHILDREN OF HER OWN,    
 SHE'LL NEVER PAY INCOME TAX

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AGAIN.                            
 SHE'S ALSO RUNNING FOR

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PARLIAMENT AS A MEMBER OF         
 ORBAN'S PARTY.

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WHAT ARE THE ISSUES IMPORTANT     
 FOR YOU IN YOUR CAMPAIGN?

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[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]     
 WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS

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FAMILY POLICY.                    
 CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS

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EXACTLY?                          
 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]

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IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT'S THE       
 PROBLEM WITH INCREASING THE

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POPULATION THROUGH POLICIES LIKE 
 MIGRATION?

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[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]

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>> Reporter: THE FAR RIGHT IDEAS 
 THAT HUNGARY HAS BECOME KNOWN

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FOR ARE EXCHANGED HERE AT THIS    
 CAFE, A POPULAR SPOT FOR U.S.

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CONSERVATIVES AND THEIR           
 HUNGARIAN COUNTERPARTS.

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TONIGHT IS AN EVENT WITH ANOTHER 
 AMERICAN FELLOW IN HUNGARY.

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SO I WANT TO ASK YOU, ROD, WHAT   
 DO YOU THINK IS THE BIGGEST LIE

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THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING AROUND    
 OUR SOCIETY TODAY?

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>> I THINK THE MOST               
 CONSEQUENTIAL ONE IS THE LOSS OF

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THE GENDER BINARY, THE IDEA THAT 
 GENDER IS FLUID AND THAT MALE

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CAN BE FEMALE, FEMALE CAN BE      
 MALE.

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THIS IS A TYRANNY OF MINORITIES.

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>> Reporter: HE'S A SENIOR        
 EDITOR OF THE AMERICAN

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CONSERVATIVE MAGAZINE AND A "NEW 
 YORK TIMES" BESTSELLING AUTHOR.

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HIS LATEST BOOK WHICH SLAMS WHAT 
 HE CALLS THE TOTALITARIANISM OF

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WOKE CULTURE IN THE U.S., HAS     
 JUST BEEN PUBLISHED IN HUNGARY.

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WHAT IS YOUR VISION OF U.S.       
 SOCIETY?

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>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A 
 SOCIETY THAT IS ANTI-WOKE, THAT

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VALUES FREEDOM OF RELIGION, LIKE 
 THE AMERICAN I GREW UP IN.

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>> IF YOU COME TO HUNGARY YOU'LL 
 FIND MUCH MORE RESPECTFUL

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HEARING OF YOUR IDEAS HERE IN     
 THIS CONSERVATIVE COUNTRY THAN

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BACK IN AMERICA.

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>> Reporter: SO CAN I CALL IT A   
 NEW CONSERVATIVISM THAT'S BEEN

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CREATED BY THE ORBAN GOVERNMENT?

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>> THE TRADITIONAL THINKING IN    
 THE TRADITION THAT GOES BACK TO

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RON REAGAN IS THAT SMALL          
 GOVERNMENT IS WHAT WE WANT.

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THAT IS SO OUTDATED.              
 ORBAN IS NOT LIKE THAT.

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HE IS A CONSERVATIVE BUT IS NOT   
 AFRAID TO USE THE POWER OF THE

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STATE TO ACHIEVE CERTAIN GOALS.

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>> Reporter: ORBAN'S              
 SPOKESPERSON SINCE 2015.

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>> THE UNRELENTING DEVOTION TO    
 THE NATIONAL COAST IS THE KEY TO

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UNDERSTANDING MR. ORBAN'S         
 POLITICAL DECISIONMAKING AND

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IMPLEMENTATION.                   
 IT'S EASY TO TALK ABOUT THINGS

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BUT IT'S ALWAYS VERY DIFFICULT    
 ACTUALLY TO DECIDE AND

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IMPLEMENT.                        
 IF SOMETHING IS DECIDED, TO BE

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ABLE TO EFFECTUATE IT, YOU NEED   
 TIME.

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>> Reporter: 12 YEARS IS QUITE A 
 LONG TIME FOR ONE GOVERNMENT,

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ONE PRIME MINISTER.

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>> 12 YEARS IS A LONG TIME.       
 BUT 20 OR 30 TIMES IS EVEN MORE

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MEANINGFUL.

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>> Reporter: PEOPLE MIGHT SAY     
 THAT'S AUTHORITARIAN, FOR

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SOMEONE TO RULE A COUNTRY FOR     
 THAT WRONG.

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>> I CAN TELL YOU OUR             
 PERSPECTIVE IS VERY DIFFERENT.

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WE HAVE EXPERIENCE, WE HAVE       
 LESSONS, WE CAN SHARE THESE

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LESSONS AND OTHERS CAN LEARN      
 FROM IT.

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>> Reporter: FOR ORBAN'S          
 CRITICS, THOSE LESSONS INVOLVE

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ERODING DEMOCRACY TO KEEP POWER. 
 HIS GOVERNMENT HAS STACKED

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COURTS, CHANGED ELECTORAL LAWS    
 AND TAKEN CONTROL OF STATE

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MEDIA.                            
 ALTHOUGH THESE CHANGES HAVE MADE

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IT VERY HARD FOR HIM TO LOSE,     
 THE OPPOSITION IS BEING

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GALVANIZED.                       
 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]

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>> Reporter: DOES DEMOCRACY       
 EXIST IN HUNGARY RIGHT NOW?

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>> YOU MAY NOT CALL IT A          
 DEMOCRACY AT ALL.

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YOU MAY NOT CALL IT A DICTATE     
 YOU MAY NOT CALL IT A DICTATOR

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YOU MAY NOT CALL IT A DICTAT      
 DICTATORSHIP

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DICTATOR                          
 DICTATORSHIP, BUT IT'S A REGIME,

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ORBAN BUILT UP AN ELABORATE       
 SYSTEM IN WHICH HE CAN NEVER BE

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DEFEATED, HE CAN NEVER BE         
 REPLACED, HE WILL ALWAYS RULE.

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>> Reporter: THERE ARE MANY U.S. 
 CONSERVATIVES COMING HERE TO

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LEARN FROM ORBAN'S STYLE OF       
 GOVERNANCE.

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WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

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>> I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS BUT   
 I KNOW THAT IT'S DANGEROUS.

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YOU SHOULD TAKE CARE OF YOUR      
 DEMOCRACY BECAUSE FORTUNATELY

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ENOUGH, YOU HAVE YOUR CHECKS AND 
 BALANCES.

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IF SOMEBODY IS ABLE TO SWITCH     
 THEM OFF, YOU WOULD ALSO SLIDE

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DOWN.                             
 THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO

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HUNGARY.                          
 AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOUR

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SYSTEM, THE 200-YEAR-OLD          
 AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, WHICH I

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ADMIRE, IS STRONG ENOUGH TO       
 WITHSTAND ANY SUCH THREATS.

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>> Reporter: NOT ONLY ARE U.S.    
 CONSERVATIVES NOT HEEDING HIS

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WARNINGS, THEY'RE EMBRACING THE   
 MOST CONTROVERSIAL ASPECTS OF

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ORBAN'S RULE.                     
 THIS HARVARD SCHOLAR IS A SENIOR

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FELLOW AT A HUNGARIAN-BACKED      
 UNIVERSITY.

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>> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TAKE FROM 
 THIS COUNTRY AND BRING BACK TO

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THE U.S.?

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>> AMERICAN CONSERVATIVES HAVE    
 SOME ANXIETY ABOUT USING POWER

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WHEN THEY HAVE IT, WHICH          
 ULTIMATELY I THINK IS THEIR

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UNDOING.                          
 ORBAN IS A NOBLE POLITICIAN WHO

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HAS THE VISION TO ESTABLISH AND   
 DEFEND HUNGARY AS A TRADITIONAL

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CHRISTIAN SOCIETY.

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>> Reporter: SHE'S A              
 CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE IN EUROPE,

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THAT'S UNDENIABLE, AND SHE'S      
 CONTROVERSIAL FOR A CERTAIN

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REASON.

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>> YES, HE'S CONTROVERSIAL        
 BECAUSE HE REJECTS THE

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LIBERALISM PART OF LIBERAL        
 DEMOCRACY.

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AS AN ANTI-LIBERAL, I THINK       
 THAT'S GOOD.

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>> Reporter: DOES BEING           
 ANTI-LIBERAL MEAN DOING THINGS

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LIKE CHANGING THE CONSTITUTION    
 IN YOUR FAVOR?

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>> YES, OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD PASS 
 INTO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION

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ANYTHING THAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY    
 REQUIRED IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE

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THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY 
 BY OTHER FORMS OF LEGISLATION OR

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BY THE SUPREME COURT.             
 AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT RISK

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OF HAVING A HIGHLY INTOLERANT,    
 YOU KNOW, RIGHT WING OR

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CONSERVATIVE SOCIETY.             
 WE'RE AT RISK OF, BECAUSE WE

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ALREADY HAVE, A HIGHLY            
 INTOLERANT LIBERAL SOCIETY.

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>> Reporter: WHILE MANY           
 CONSERVATIVES CLAIM TO BE UNDER

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ATTACK IN AMERICA, THE ORBAN      
 MODEL IS GAINING STEAM IN THE

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U.S. AS POLICIES RELATED TO       
 FAITH AND FAMILY HAVE SPREAD

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ACROSS THE FAMILY.

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>> GOVERNOR RON DeSANTIS HAS      
 PASSED INTO LAW THE "DON'T SAY

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GAY" BILL.

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>> Reporter: INSTITUTIONS ARE     
 GETTING OVERHAULED IN THE

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CONSERVATIVE IMAGE AS WELL.

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>> THE DRAFT OF THE SUPREME       
 COURT'S OPINION SHOWS THE COURT

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OVERTURNING ROE V. WADE IN A      
 BLISTERING RULING.

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>> IT SITUATES THE TRAJECTORY OF 
 THE AMERICAN RIGHT TO MAKE US IN

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THE IMAGE OF HUNGARIAN I WILL     
 LIB

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L                                 
 ILLIBERAL DEMOCRACY.

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>> Reporter: IT'S THE             
 AFFIRMATION OF ORBAN'S STYLE OF

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GOVERNING AND VALIDATION OF       
 THEIR BELIEF THAT U.S.

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CONSERVATIVES HAVE SOMETHING TO   
 LEARN FROM HUNGRY.

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LEARN FROM HUNGRARY LEARN FROM    
 HUNGRAHUNGARY.

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>> A LANDSLIDE ELECTION VICTORY. 
 [ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]

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>> THE THREE OF US HERE WERE ALL 
 FROM THE U.S.

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IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT COUNTRY.    
 DO YOU THINK THERE ARE ELEMENTS

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OF OR BAN OF OR BBAN'S STYLE OF   
             GOVERNMEN

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IN HUNGARY THAT COULD WORK IN     
 THE U.S.?

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>> IT WAS DEFINITELY AN           
 INSPIRATION FOR DeSANTIS AND

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OTHER GOVERNORS.

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00:24:25,163 --> 00:24:29,334
>> I THINK THE UNITED STATES      
 COULD LEARN A LOT FROM THAT IN

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TERMS OF WATER CONTROL POLICIES, 
 IN TERMS OF MESSAGING.

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00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:37,209
>> Reporter: WHAT DOES ORBAN'S    
 REELECTION MEAN FOR

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00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:38,610
CONSERVATIVES IN THE U.S.?

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00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:43,215
>> IT WILL HEIGHTEN THE AMERICAN 
 INTEREST IN WHAT ORBAN IS DOING.

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00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:46,618
>> I'M THRILLED, IT'S GOOD TO     
 SEE COUNTRIES LIKE HUNGARY THAT

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00:24:46,718 --> 00:24:51,156
DON'T HATE THEMSELVES AND DON'T   
 WANT TO DESTROY THE ESSENCE OF

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CIVILIZATION.

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00:24:52,524 --> 00:24:55,894
>> Reporter: SHOULDN'T WE BE      
 MOVING FORWARD TO A TIME WHEN WE

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CAN BE MORE INCLUSIVE OF ALL      
 KINDS OF PEOPLE?

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00:24:58,930 --> 00:25:04,035
>> INCLUSION IS BASICALLY A       
 BULLSHIT WORD WHICH IS USED TO

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EXCLUDE TRADITIONAL MALE/FEMALE   
 FAMILIES.

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>> THERE'S NO WORLD IN WHICH THE 
 FAMILY AND THE OPPOSITE OF THE

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FAMILY CAN COEXIST.               
 IT'S A BATTLE.

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ONE OR THE OTHER HAS TO WIN.