1 00:00:06,339 --> 00:00:07,966 [Alec]                      Putin's invasion of Ukraine 2 00:00:08,008 --> 00:00:09,968 has made his country a pariah. 3 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:11,928 Many Russians                       still support him. 4 00:00:11,970 --> 00:00:13,221 A lot of them have                     been repeating 5 00:00:13,263 --> 00:00:15,807 the same talking points                 from state media. 6 00:00:15,849 --> 00:00:18,351 speaking Russian 7 00:00:20,228 --> 00:00:21,938 [Alec]   What's the role                   of the news media 8 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:23,023 in Russia today? 9 00:00:23,064 --> 00:00:25,275 People need information.              People get information. 10 00:00:25,316 --> 00:00:27,944 Shouldn't it be to question            the government as well? 11 00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:31,239 [laughs]                    Seriously, you're so funny. 12 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:33,033 [Ben]                      It's been almost four months 13 00:00:33,074 --> 00:00:34,575 since Russian forces                    invaded Ukraine. 14 00:00:34,617 --> 00:00:36,786 Outside of Kharkiv,                 the Russians have fled. 15 00:00:36,828 --> 00:00:39,539 [Panama]   speaking Ukrainian 16 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:42,333 [Ben]                     While shelling here has eased, 17 00:00:42,375 --> 00:00:43,585 it hasn't ended. 18 00:00:43,626 --> 00:00:44,627 We haven't been able                      to get out. 19 00:00:44,669 --> 00:00:46,253 When do you think                      it would be safe 20 00:00:46,296 --> 00:00:48,006 to come back here,                     live here again? 21 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:50,884 [woman]   speaking Ukrainian 22 00:00:53,970 --> 00:00:56,973 dramatic music 23 00:01:07,317 --> 00:01:09,527 [shouting] 24 00:01:11,863 --> 00:01:14,824 [people chattering, shouting] 25 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:17,368 soft dramatic music 26 00:01:18,995 --> 00:01:22,082 [people chanting in Russian] 27 00:01:25,502 --> 00:01:28,797 [man]   shouting in Russian 28 00:01:33,051 --> 00:01:35,011 Hurrah! Hurrah! 29 00:01:35,053 --> 00:01:36,596 [crowd shouting] 30 00:01:36,638 --> 00:01:39,223 This is Victory Day,                where Russians remember 31 00:01:39,264 --> 00:01:41,518 their relatives who fought                 in World War II 32 00:01:41,559 --> 00:01:44,479 and the victory                    over Nazi Germany. 33 00:01:44,521 --> 00:01:47,357 What the Kremlin is doing                   is tying that 34 00:01:47,398 --> 00:01:49,734 to the current                military operation in Ukraine, 35 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:54,114 where it claims that Russia             is again fighting Nazis. 36 00:01:54,155 --> 00:01:56,241 speaking Russian 37 00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:58,952 speaking Russian 38 00:02:12,048 --> 00:02:13,383 dramatic tense music 39 00:02:13,424 --> 00:02:14,926 [Alec]                      While the rest of the world 40 00:02:14,968 --> 00:02:16,094 looks on in horror 41 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:17,637 at Russian atrocities                      in Ukraine, 42 00:02:17,679 --> 00:02:19,681 in Russia,                    President Vladimir Putin's 43 00:02:19,722 --> 00:02:23,226 approval rating                 is nearing an all-time high. 44 00:02:23,268 --> 00:02:26,104 But that's partly because                most of his citizens 45 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:28,314 are given                     a hugely deceptive picture 46 00:02:28,356 --> 00:02:31,151 of what's actually happening                 on the ground. 47 00:02:31,192 --> 00:02:33,987 speaking Russian 48 00:02:39,409 --> 00:02:41,286 [all shout in Russian] 49 00:02:41,327 --> 00:02:42,829 [Alec]                      In his 22 years at the helm, 50 00:02:42,871 --> 00:02:45,623 Putin has bent government             institutions to his will, 51 00:02:45,665 --> 00:02:47,750 removed all political rivals, 52 00:02:47,792 --> 00:02:51,379 and shut down every major              independent news outlet. 53 00:02:51,421 --> 00:02:54,257 In their place,                 state-controlled television 54 00:02:54,299 --> 00:02:55,799 claims that Russia                      is once again 55 00:02:55,842 --> 00:02:58,136 locked in a struggle                    against fascism, 56 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:00,263 with Ukraine's                   democratically-elected, 57 00:03:00,305 --> 00:03:04,100 Jewish president standing in               for Adolf Hitler. 58 00:03:04,142 --> 00:03:07,186 speaking Russian 59 00:03:08,354 --> 00:03:11,691 speaking Russian 60 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:16,529 speaking Russian 61 00:03:18,865 --> 00:03:21,910 [Alec]   Putin's propaganda            resonates with many Russians 62 00:03:21,951 --> 00:03:25,830 who long for the days when          they were still a superpower. 63 00:03:25,872 --> 00:03:28,917 speaking Russian 64 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:35,840 speaking Russian 65 00:03:36,007 --> 00:03:39,052 speaking Russian 66 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:52,440 [Alec]    That evening, we went 67 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:54,609 to the Koshkin family's               apartment in the suburbs 68 00:03:54,651 --> 00:03:57,320 to find out how they get                 their information 69 00:03:57,362 --> 00:04:00,073 about Putin and the war. 70 00:04:00,114 --> 00:04:03,243 speaking Russian 71 00:04:12,293 --> 00:04:15,588 speaking Russian 72 00:04:28,351 --> 00:04:29,519 [crowd shouting] 73 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,854 [Alec]    In 2014,                     a popular revolution 74 00:04:31,896 --> 00:04:34,482 replaced Ukraine's               Kremlin-friendly government 75 00:04:34,524 --> 00:04:36,234 with a pro-Western one. 76 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:38,861 In response,                      Putin annexed Crimea 77 00:04:38,903 --> 00:04:40,738 and stoked                      a separatist conflict 78 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:43,533 in Ukraine's Donbas region. 79 00:04:43,574 --> 00:04:45,326 In eight years of fighting, 80 00:04:45,368 --> 00:04:47,412 civilians on both sides                  have been killed, 81 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:50,623 but Russian propaganda has            portrayed it as a genocide 82 00:04:50,665 --> 00:04:53,293 against the pro-Russian                     separatists. 83 00:04:53,334 --> 00:04:56,629 speaking Russian 84 00:04:59,465 --> 00:05:00,842 [Alec]                     That's why Putin has been able 85 00:05:00,883 --> 00:05:04,220 to convince many Russians             that the current invasion 86 00:05:04,262 --> 00:05:06,597 is actually                      a defensive operation. 87 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:09,976 speaking Russian 88 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:13,479 [Alec]    Even Russians' phones 89 00:05:13,521 --> 00:05:15,481 are full                       of Kremlin propaganda. 90 00:05:15,523 --> 00:05:17,608 Facebook, Twitter,                      and Instagram 91 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:20,528 have all been banned in favor            of Russian social media 92 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:23,281 that amplified                 the same conspiracy theories 93 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:24,949 as state TV. 94 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:28,036 speaking Russian 95 00:05:42,967 --> 00:05:44,594 [Alec]                      While many Russians believe 96 00:05:44,635 --> 00:05:47,597 the West is being lied to              about events in Ukraine, 97 00:05:47,638 --> 00:05:48,973 it's Russia                       that's writing laws 98 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:51,642 to hide the truth                    about the conflict. 99 00:05:51,684 --> 00:05:55,938 Even calling Putin's               "special operation" a war 100 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:59,567 is now punishable                by up to 15 years in prison. 101 00:05:59,609 --> 00:06:02,278 Protests against the invasion                  in February 102 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,030 were snuffed out by police 103 00:06:04,072 --> 00:06:07,033 and journalists were arrested             for reporting on them, 104 00:06:07,075 --> 00:06:08,451 including me. 105 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:10,328 I'm an American journalist. 106 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:12,622 speaking Russian 107 00:06:12,663 --> 00:06:14,290 State media have responded 108 00:06:14,332 --> 00:06:15,958 to evidence                      of Russian atrocities 109 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,419 with conspiracy theories                     and lies, 110 00:06:18,461 --> 00:06:21,297 accusing Ukraine                of killing its own civilians 111 00:06:21,339 --> 00:06:22,423 in Mariupol 112 00:06:22,465 --> 00:06:24,675 and faking the massacre                      in Bucha. 113 00:06:24,717 --> 00:06:28,054 speaking Russian 114 00:06:37,021 --> 00:06:38,856 For journalists critical                  of the Kremlin, 115 00:06:38,898 --> 00:06:41,734 Russia is a dangerous place                     to work. 116 00:06:41,776 --> 00:06:43,611 The newspaper   Novaya Gazeta 117 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:45,780 was the last                       major media outlet 118 00:06:45,822 --> 00:06:48,324 providing an alternative             to the propaganda coverage 119 00:06:48,366 --> 00:06:49,409 of the war. 120 00:06:49,450 --> 00:06:50,868 It had kept working                    through the murder 121 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:53,329 of multiple reporters                    over the years, 122 00:06:53,371 --> 00:06:54,956 and its Nobel Prize-winning                      editor 123 00:06:54,997 --> 00:06:58,668 was recently attacked                with paint and acetone. 124 00:06:58,709 --> 00:07:00,378 It was forced                       to stop publishing 125 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,379 after warnings                     from the authorities 126 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:05,258 in the first weeks of the war. 127 00:07:05,299 --> 00:07:08,261 speaking Russian 128 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:13,307 speaking Russian 129 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:28,466 [Alec]    With no one questioning             the Kremlin line, 130 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,885 the true cost of the war                  remains hidden. 131 00:08:30,927 --> 00:08:35,139 While Moscow says it's lost                only 1,351 troops, 132 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:38,768 the real number                  may be as high as 15,000. 133 00:08:38,809 --> 00:08:40,895 soft eerie music 134 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:41,979 Journalists are blocked 135 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:43,940 from covering                       military funerals, 136 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:45,441 so to speak to the family 137 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:46,901 of a soldier                       killed in Ukraine, 138 00:08:46,943 --> 00:08:50,446 we travelled 16 hours into            the mountains of Dagestan, 139 00:08:50,488 --> 00:08:53,658 avoiding police                    and security services. 140 00:08:53,699 --> 00:08:57,161 Dagestan has the highest             casualties of any region, 141 00:08:57,203 --> 00:08:58,162 but even there, 142 00:08:58,204 --> 00:09:00,706 grieving relatives                were suspicious of anyone 143 00:09:00,748 --> 00:09:02,833 who questioned the invasion. 144 00:09:02,875 --> 00:09:05,836 soft somber music 145 00:09:05,878 --> 00:09:09,048 speaking Russian 146 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:10,299 [sighs] 147 00:09:10,341 --> 00:09:13,844 [Patimat]   speaking Russian 148 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:31,571 [sniffs] 149 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:36,200 speaking Russian 150 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:18,159 [producer]   speaking Russian 151 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:34,592 tense music 152 00:10:36,552 --> 00:10:37,762 [Alec] After the interview, 153 00:10:37,803 --> 00:10:40,348 the family                    called a local official, 154 00:10:40,389 --> 00:10:44,769 and he ended up putting out            a police alert for us. 155 00:10:44,810 --> 00:10:47,855 Police questioned us                 for about two hours. 156 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:50,941 They couldn't find anything           wrong with our documents, 157 00:10:50,983 --> 00:10:53,861 but it was pretty tense there                for a while. 158 00:10:54,487 --> 00:10:57,114 That tension remained               throughout our reporting. 159 00:10:57,156 --> 00:10:59,909 Our crew was detained again               in downtown Moscow, 160 00:10:59,950 --> 00:11:03,204 a place we'd filmed                 dozens of times before. 161 00:11:03,245 --> 00:11:04,914 As we've been talking                     to Russians 162 00:11:04,955 --> 00:11:06,749 about why they still                     support Putin 163 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:09,085 and his military operation                   in Ukraine, 164 00:11:09,126 --> 00:11:10,586 a lot of them have                     been repeating 165 00:11:10,628 --> 00:11:12,838 the same talking points                 from state media 166 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,924 about how Ukraine                    is full of Nazis, 167 00:11:14,965 --> 00:11:17,760 the U.S. is using them                  to attack Russia. 168 00:11:17,802 --> 00:11:19,929 One of the people                 behind all that messaging 169 00:11:19,970 --> 00:11:21,597 is Margarita Simonyan, 170 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:23,849 the head of state broadcaster,                    RT. 171 00:11:23,891 --> 00:11:27,228 speaking Russian 172 00:11:38,155 --> 00:11:39,782 [Alec]   Simonyan                   is one of the Kremlin's 173 00:11:39,824 --> 00:11:41,409 most prominent mouthpieces. 174 00:11:41,450 --> 00:11:43,953 Her channel has been suspended                by YouTube, 175 00:11:43,994 --> 00:11:46,997 U.S. cable providers,                 and the European Union 176 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:49,291 for what the EU called                     manipulation 177 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:52,837 and disinformation               in its coverage of the war. 178 00:11:52,878 --> 00:11:55,798 She insisted that her own crew          also film our interview 179 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,759 and tried to shift the focus            from Russian aggression 180 00:11:58,801 --> 00:12:00,636 to American hypocrisy 181 00:12:00,678 --> 00:12:03,389 just like state TV does                      every day. 182 00:12:05,641 --> 00:12:07,643 What's the role                     of the news media 183 00:12:07,685 --> 00:12:08,936 in Russia today? 184 00:12:08,978 --> 00:12:09,937 As always. 185 00:12:09,979 --> 00:12:11,564 It's the same                  as in the United States, 186 00:12:11,605 --> 00:12:13,190 as anywhere in the world. 187 00:12:13,232 --> 00:12:15,776 People need information,              people get information. 188 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:18,154 Shouldn't it be to question            the government as well? 189 00:12:18,195 --> 00:12:21,031 [laughs]                    Seriously, you're so funny. 190 00:12:21,073 --> 00:12:24,744 You know,                    it's such a funny mantra 191 00:12:24,785 --> 00:12:26,120 that you guys always use. 192 00:12:26,162 --> 00:12:28,456 "The role of the media           is to question the government." 193 00:12:28,497 --> 00:12:31,083 When was the last time           you questioned your government? 194 00:12:31,125 --> 00:12:32,835 We do it every day                    on our newscast. 195 00:12:32,877 --> 00:12:34,503 You do? Really? I don't know. 196 00:12:34,545 --> 00:12:36,213 I watch American television. 197 00:12:36,255 --> 00:12:38,841 I don't see that they question         their government that much. 198 00:12:38,883 --> 00:12:41,427 You recently called for           the prohibition on censorship 199 00:12:41,469 --> 00:12:45,097 to be removed               from the Russian constitution. 200 00:12:45,139 --> 00:12:48,559 Why?                    Who are you looking to censor? 201 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:50,144 Many things. 202 00:12:50,186 --> 00:12:55,483 Lots of radical, nationalistic             terrorist rhetoric 203 00:12:55,524 --> 00:12:57,651 that can be found anywhere, 204 00:12:57,693 --> 00:13:00,905 especially                     on Western-owned media 205 00:13:00,946 --> 00:13:02,740 and platforms. 206 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:04,867 Instagrammers, YouTubers, 207 00:13:04,909 --> 00:13:07,953 all these people are starting          to question and speak out 208 00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:09,872 against this military              operation in the Ukraine. 209 00:13:09,914 --> 00:13:12,124 Starting to? 210 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:14,460 They are starting to? 211 00:13:14,502 --> 00:13:15,878 They are not starting to. 212 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,923 Some of them are stopping to. 213 00:13:18,964 --> 00:13:22,593 [laughs] Most of the people               that you mention 214 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:24,220 did it in the first day. 215 00:13:24,260 --> 00:13:28,516 And believe me, many of them--          and many of them I know-- 216 00:13:28,557 --> 00:13:29,767 regret it. 217 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:33,854 You are mentioning                this proportion of people 218 00:13:33,896 --> 00:13:37,817 and you are absolutely ignoring            80% of the people 219 00:13:37,858 --> 00:13:39,235 who agree with Putin. 220 00:13:39,276 --> 00:13:40,945 [Alec] What is Putin's                  place in history? 221 00:13:40,986 --> 00:13:43,989 I ask because                 a lot of people in the West 222 00:13:44,031 --> 00:13:46,450 say that that's what                this military operation 223 00:13:46,492 --> 00:13:47,576 in Ukraine is about. 224 00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:49,870 It's about Putin trying          to cement his place in history. 225 00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:52,915 A lot of people in the West           invent a lot of bullshit 226 00:13:52,957 --> 00:13:54,875 and happily believe                    in the bullshit 227 00:13:54,917 --> 00:13:57,628 they have themselves invented. 228 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,171 We didn't start the war. 229 00:13:59,213 --> 00:14:01,757 The war started in 2014. 230 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:03,217 If you don't know that fact, 231 00:14:03,259 --> 00:14:05,052 it doesn't mean                    it never happened. 232 00:14:05,094 --> 00:14:06,095 Go to Donbas. 233 00:14:06,135 --> 00:14:07,930 [Alec] We were there in 2014                  in Donbas. 234 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:09,682 When were you there last time? 235 00:14:09,723 --> 00:14:12,351 -2018.                      -What did they tell you? 236 00:14:12,393 --> 00:14:14,562 A lot of them said they would         like to be part of Russia. 237 00:14:14,603 --> 00:14:15,771 See? But-- 238 00:14:15,813 --> 00:14:17,690 On the side controlled                 by the separatists, 239 00:14:17,731 --> 00:14:18,858 a lot of them said                    they'd like to-- 240 00:14:18,899 --> 00:14:21,735 By the separatists?                Separatists? Seriously? 241 00:14:21,777 --> 00:14:23,821 [sighs] Okay. Have a good day. 242 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,365 [microphone rustles] 243 00:14:27,157 --> 00:14:29,034 Nice to meet you. 244 00:14:29,076 --> 00:14:31,203 [indistinct speech] 245 00:14:31,245 --> 00:14:33,414 For Simonyan,                  the pro-Russian separatists 246 00:14:33,455 --> 00:14:36,166 in the Donbas region                 are freedom fighters, 247 00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:38,085 and calling them anything else 248 00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:39,587 threatens to undermine                    the narrative 249 00:14:39,628 --> 00:14:42,172 she and state media                   are telling Russians 250 00:14:42,214 --> 00:14:43,674 about Ukraine. 251 00:14:43,716 --> 00:14:45,175 This is the alternate reality 252 00:14:45,217 --> 00:14:47,303 that most Russians                   are still living in. 253 00:14:47,344 --> 00:14:49,513 It's a reality where Russia                   is cruising 254 00:14:49,555 --> 00:14:52,224 to a quick and painless                  victory in Ukraine 255 00:14:52,266 --> 00:14:56,020 and life will soon return                     to normal. 256 00:14:56,061 --> 00:14:58,939 speaking Russian 257 00:14:58,981 --> 00:15:01,901 [both]   speaking Russian 258 00:15:25,507 --> 00:15:28,594 [people cheering] 259 00:15:29,887 --> 00:15:32,890 dramatic music 260 00:15:36,852 --> 00:15:39,939 tense tone 261 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,278 tense tone 262 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,988 [indistinct speech] 263 00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:50,574 [Ben] These soldiers here                 just discovered 264 00:15:50,616 --> 00:15:53,953 Thirteen Russian corpses             that have been left here 265 00:15:53,994 --> 00:15:56,497 that were killed from              what looks like shelling. 266 00:15:56,538 --> 00:15:58,290 The stench out here                   is really strong 267 00:15:58,332 --> 00:16:00,376 and you can see there's             burn marks all over them. 268 00:16:00,417 --> 00:16:02,503 Some of them have                 really shrapnel wounds 269 00:16:02,544 --> 00:16:03,796 all through them. 270 00:16:03,837 --> 00:16:06,131 This is a really brutal,                 morbid place now, 271 00:16:06,173 --> 00:16:08,842 and it's their job                 to just clean these up. 272 00:16:08,884 --> 00:16:11,095 tense music 273 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:14,932 Just 30 miles                    from the Russian border 274 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:16,475 on the outskirts of Kharkiv, 275 00:16:16,517 --> 00:16:19,269 the Ukrainian counteroffensive                 is working 276 00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:23,107 and Russian losses                   are on full display. 277 00:16:23,148 --> 00:16:24,358 According to some estimates, 278 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,318 Russia has lost                       up to a quarter 279 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,904 of its original fighting force                in Ukraine. 280 00:16:28,946 --> 00:16:31,782 [Vasil]   speaking Ukrainian 281 00:16:36,828 --> 00:16:39,999 [soldier]    speaking Ukrainian 282 00:16:41,290 --> 00:16:44,627 [Vasil]   speaking Ukrainian 283 00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:00,227 [Ben]   Does it feel like 284 00:17:00,269 --> 00:17:01,645 you're pushing the Russians                 out of here now? 285 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:03,272 Does it feel like                    you're winning this? 286 00:17:03,313 --> 00:17:05,691 [Vasil]   speaking Ukrainian 287 00:17:08,318 --> 00:17:11,113 [Ben]   Since the start of            Russia's invasion of Ukraine, 288 00:17:11,155 --> 00:17:14,283 who is actually winning              has changed almost weekly. 289 00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:16,827 This war looked very different              five months ago. 290 00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:19,663 Russia rained cruise missiles               around the country 291 00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:22,249 in a multi-pronged                   nationwide assault, 292 00:17:22,291 --> 00:17:23,709 encircling the capitol 293 00:17:23,751 --> 00:17:25,836 and taking control                 of cities and villages. 294 00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:29,298 Vladimir Putin expected             Ukraine to fall within days. 295 00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,216 [explosion booms] 296 00:17:31,258 --> 00:17:33,385 But then Ukraine                    surprised everyone. 297 00:17:33,427 --> 00:17:35,804 Civilians rallied behind              a charismatic president, 298 00:17:35,846 --> 00:17:38,932 Western money and weapons                flooded the country, 299 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:40,476 defense lines held, 300 00:17:40,517 --> 00:17:42,352 and Russian forces                       pulled back. 301 00:17:42,394 --> 00:17:45,064 It was clear that Moscow                   and the world 302 00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:47,983 had overestimated                     Russia's strength. 303 00:17:48,025 --> 00:17:50,819 dramatic music 304 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:52,321 In newly-liberated areas, 305 00:17:52,362 --> 00:17:55,824 the reality of Russia's            military capability is clear. 306 00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:57,743 They weren't ready. 307 00:17:57,785 --> 00:18:00,788 We are riding along                with Ukrainian military 308 00:18:00,829 --> 00:18:02,206 who's taking us to some 309 00:18:02,247 --> 00:18:03,957 of the recently liberated                    villages 310 00:18:03,999 --> 00:18:06,126 just outside                      of Kharkiv central. 311 00:18:06,168 --> 00:18:07,628 These villages, two days ago, 312 00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:09,296 were still                     under Russian control, 313 00:18:09,338 --> 00:18:11,131 but they're still                 within artillery range, 314 00:18:11,173 --> 00:18:13,050 still within mortar range. 315 00:18:13,092 --> 00:18:15,886 tense music 316 00:18:18,055 --> 00:18:21,100 [Panama]   speaking Ukrainian 317 00:18:29,858 --> 00:18:31,026 [Ben]    Just days ago, 318 00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:32,653 this was                   a Russian military encampment 319 00:18:32,694 --> 00:18:36,323 and artillery position               used to bombard Kharkiv. 320 00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:39,785 speaking Ukrainian 321 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:43,372 [Ben] Jesus. 322 00:18:43,413 --> 00:18:46,792 [Panama]   speaking Ukrainian 323 00:19:06,478 --> 00:19:08,605 [Ben]   The Russian soldiers               here were ill-prepared 324 00:19:08,647 --> 00:19:10,440 and sent in                    with decades-old weapons. 325 00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:13,152 It was clear that                at this stage of the fight, 326 00:19:13,193 --> 00:19:15,112 Putin had miscalculated. 327 00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:18,490 speaking Ukrainian 328 00:19:22,619 --> 00:19:25,789 Oh, wow. This was made in 1989. 329 00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:27,791 It's amazing.                Everything that we're seeing, 330 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:32,462 all of the Russian gear             is old, Soviet-era stuff. 331 00:19:32,504 --> 00:19:35,841 [Panama]    speaking Ukrainian 332 00:19:44,474 --> 00:19:46,435 [Ben] These are Russian MREs. 333 00:19:46,476 --> 00:19:49,855 [Panama]   speaking Ukrainian 334 00:19:52,482 --> 00:19:54,818 [Ben]    But while the Russian                 forces are down, 335 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:57,237 they aren't out. 336 00:19:57,279 --> 00:20:00,657 [Panama]   speaking Ukrainian 337 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:04,995 So there's incoming fire              just up the way there. 338 00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:06,747 [Panama]   speaking Ukrainian 339 00:20:06,788 --> 00:20:08,999 That shell just went                    right over us, 340 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:11,168 hitting the village over there. 341 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:15,047 speaking Ukrainian 342 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,385 [Ben]    The war                    is entering a new phase, 343 00:20:20,427 --> 00:20:24,890 and now the Russian military         is once again on the advance. 344 00:20:25,432 --> 00:20:27,643 After months                     of Ukrainian momentum, 345 00:20:27,684 --> 00:20:31,146 Russian forces have taken back          full control of Mariupol 346 00:20:31,188 --> 00:20:32,606 and are now                       focusing their push 347 00:20:32,648 --> 00:20:34,233 around the Donbas region 348 00:20:34,274 --> 00:20:35,984 where the Russian-backed                    separatists 349 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:37,319 and Ukrainian forces 350 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:40,239 first started fighting                       in 2014. 351 00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:43,659 Needing a win                  after losing so much ground, 352 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:45,953 Putin has said                 that taking back the Donbas 353 00:20:45,994 --> 00:20:47,704 was the goal all along. 354 00:20:47,746 --> 00:20:50,332 The new strategy:                 consolidate Russian forces 355 00:20:50,374 --> 00:20:51,667 on a narrower front 356 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:55,128 and slowly pound each village                into submission. 357 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:56,672 We're just a few miles                     from Izyum, 358 00:20:56,713 --> 00:20:59,132 which is one of the hardest            and the most dangerous 359 00:20:59,174 --> 00:21:00,550 front lines                    of the fight right now. 360 00:21:00,592 --> 00:21:02,844 The Russian forces are trying           to encircle this area. 361 00:21:02,886 --> 00:21:06,390 They lose control here,            and Donbas could be circled 362 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:08,850 and all of the soldiers around         there could be in trouble. 363 00:21:08,892 --> 00:21:10,769 So this is a really key part                 of the fight 364 00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:12,521 and an important                    and dangerous place 365 00:21:12,562 --> 00:21:13,772 for these guys to be fighting. 366 00:21:13,814 --> 00:21:16,024 [soldier] All right, let's go.               Go. Go. Go. Go. 367 00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:17,317 [Ben] Ready? 368 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,444 This position                  is just a few hundred meters 369 00:21:19,486 --> 00:21:21,446 from the Russian front lines. 370 00:21:21,488 --> 00:21:22,614 Go ahead. Go ahead. 371 00:21:22,656 --> 00:21:23,907 [soldier]                     Careful for the pipes. 372 00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:26,618 [Ben]   In this hidden bunker             two stories underground, 373 00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:29,538 these soldiers,                  surrounded on three sides, 374 00:21:29,579 --> 00:21:31,623 are one of the only units                standing in the way 375 00:21:31,665 --> 00:21:34,084 of countless Russian tanks,                 artillery units, 376 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:36,003 and soldiers. 377 00:21:36,044 --> 00:21:38,463 Is this pretty safe here? 378 00:21:38,505 --> 00:21:40,465 Uh, it has been thus far. 379 00:21:40,507 --> 00:21:42,259 [laughs] 380 00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:45,637 As you can see,              it's a pretty sturdy building. 381 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:47,389 Denis Polishchuk, 382 00:21:47,431 --> 00:21:48,807 a Canadian Ukrainian                       volunteer, 383 00:21:48,849 --> 00:21:51,727 is one of the hundreds              of foreign fighters here. 384 00:21:51,768 --> 00:21:54,688 He was born in Ukraine               and raised in Vancouver, 385 00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:57,149 and has been fighting                 on and off with no pay 386 00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:59,651 since 2014. 387 00:21:59,693 --> 00:22:00,944 Why do you do this? 388 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:02,738 [Denis]                     I'm originally from Ukraine. 389 00:22:02,779 --> 00:22:04,948 I dropped out of university               to go fight in 2015, 390 00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:08,452 and now this unit is close              and dear to my heart. 391 00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:10,537 Is it dangerous here?              Is it hard to work here? 392 00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:12,372 The enemy positions                  are very close by. 393 00:22:12,414 --> 00:22:13,832 It's kind of                     the luck of the draw 394 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:15,834 every single time                     you go outside. 395 00:22:15,876 --> 00:22:17,961 What is it like               for the soldiers living here 396 00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:20,672 under all this shelling           and attacks in this basement? 397 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:22,591 [Denis] It does take a toll             on you after a while. 398 00:22:22,632 --> 00:22:24,509 You can definitely see it           in the eyes of the soldiers 399 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:26,386 that have spent more               than a couple weeks here. 400 00:22:26,428 --> 00:22:28,263 At the same time, though,             we're on our own land. 401 00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:29,723 We're doing what we came here                   to do. 402 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:32,517 There's nobody here that really         doesn't wanna be here. 403 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:34,519 [indistinct speech] 404 00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:37,022 We had two, uh, two              of my buddies were injured 405 00:22:37,064 --> 00:22:38,315 yesterday out there. 406 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:41,485 They crawled in here                  to find more cover. 407 00:22:41,526 --> 00:22:43,695 -[Ben] How are they?               -[Denis] One's in a coma. 408 00:22:43,737 --> 00:22:45,781 The one who lost his legs--               the 18-year-old. 409 00:22:45,822 --> 00:22:48,033 [Ben] And that was just here?             Just right outside? 410 00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:49,242 Yeah, just outside. Yeah. 411 00:22:49,284 --> 00:22:51,661 [Ben]    This war is now                 a battle for position. 412 00:22:51,703 --> 00:22:54,289 Ukrainian forces                   are on the defensive, 413 00:22:54,331 --> 00:22:56,625 trying to slow                     the Russian advance. 414 00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:59,086 But they try to take               a breather when they can. 415 00:22:59,127 --> 00:23:00,212 [laughter] 416 00:23:00,253 --> 00:23:03,382 [singing in Ukrainian] 417 00:23:09,179 --> 00:23:10,931 [explosion booms] 418 00:23:10,972 --> 00:23:14,226 [Ben]   But it's never long              between Russian attacks. 419 00:23:14,267 --> 00:23:17,396 speaking Ukrainian 420 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:24,861 This position                  is now under direct fire. 421 00:23:24,903 --> 00:23:28,240 We just got an incoming shell        that just hit right above us. 422 00:23:28,281 --> 00:23:29,574 The entire building shook. 423 00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:31,743 It seems like the Russians            know where this place is 424 00:23:31,785 --> 00:23:34,454 and they're firing on it                    right now. 425 00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:37,082 [explosion booms] 426 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,376 For six straight hours, 427 00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:41,420 Russians fired                   hundreds of tank shells 428 00:23:41,461 --> 00:23:42,838 on the position. 429 00:23:42,879 --> 00:23:45,632 These guys are saying           they're pinned down right now. 430 00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:47,008 We haven't been able                      to get out. 431 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:50,762 The shelling has been really          intensive all around here. 432 00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:52,722 [indistinct chatter] 433 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:55,142 Finally, there was a lull                  in the shelling 434 00:23:55,183 --> 00:23:56,768 for us to make our escape. 435 00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:58,270 [soldier] Go, go, go! 436 00:23:58,311 --> 00:24:01,356 tense music 437 00:24:06,069 --> 00:24:08,321 [Ben] This car                    is totally ripped up. 438 00:24:08,363 --> 00:24:09,698 The windows have been                  destroyed already 439 00:24:09,739 --> 00:24:12,492 'cause of the shelling           that was already here outside. 440 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:13,785 We're speeding                     down this road now 441 00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:15,871 to try to get out of here                     quick. 442 00:24:15,912 --> 00:24:18,623 According to                 government officials in Kyiv, 443 00:24:18,665 --> 00:24:22,252 up to 200 Ukrainian soldiers              are dying each day. 444 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:25,922 This is a new, more organized               Russian offensive. 445 00:24:25,964 --> 00:24:28,008 They're consolidated                     in the Donbas 446 00:24:28,049 --> 00:24:31,595 but can continue to shell           from inside their own country, 447 00:24:31,636 --> 00:24:35,015 a tactic that maximizes chaos              with minimal effort, 448 00:24:35,056 --> 00:24:39,102 spreading Ukrainian forces                  even thinner. 449 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,897 As they continue to defend              against this assault, 450 00:24:41,938 --> 00:24:44,316 they're also trying                  to make the area safe 451 00:24:44,357 --> 00:24:45,859 for people to return. 452 00:24:45,901 --> 00:24:47,819 [both]   speaking Ukrainian 453 00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:49,905 tense music 454 00:24:49,946 --> 00:24:52,032 [Ben]   We're in the northern                suburbs of Kharkiv 455 00:24:52,073 --> 00:24:54,576 with the Explosive Ordnance                  Removal team. 456 00:24:54,618 --> 00:24:56,745 It's their job                  to come into these houses 457 00:24:56,786 --> 00:24:58,580 and pick up                    the unexploded ordnance 458 00:24:58,622 --> 00:25:00,290 that are falling                      all around here. 459 00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:05,504 [both]   speaking Ukrainian 460 00:25:11,635 --> 00:25:14,346 [explosion booms] 461 00:25:15,013 --> 00:25:16,097 [Ben]   It's really active here. 462 00:25:16,139 --> 00:25:17,891 There's lots of fighting just                   close-- 463 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,935 [explosion booms]                   Live artillery fire 464 00:25:19,976 --> 00:25:21,686 is booming all around here. 465 00:25:21,728 --> 00:25:22,896 So even when these guys 466 00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:24,648 are trying                    to clear these areas out, 467 00:25:24,689 --> 00:25:27,317 there's still a fight                       going on. 468 00:25:29,736 --> 00:25:32,531 speaking Ukrainian 469 00:25:33,657 --> 00:25:36,034 [explosion booms] 470 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,039 [engine turns over] 471 00:25:41,665 --> 00:25:43,625 [Ben]   A few days later,               one of the team members 472 00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,836 stepped on a hidden mine             and lost part of his leg. 473 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:55,011 It once seemed like Ukraine               had stopped Russia, 474 00:25:55,053 --> 00:25:58,014 but they continue to occupy            nearly a fifth of Ukraine, 475 00:25:58,056 --> 00:25:59,933 and they're pushing for more. 476 00:25:59,975 --> 00:26:02,519 President Zelensky says              he's unwilling to give up 477 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,146 any occupied Ukrainian land. 478 00:26:05,188 --> 00:26:08,650 For now, the war                is approaching a stalemate, 479 00:26:08,692 --> 00:26:10,777 but for Russia,                     it's a waiting game. 480 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:12,821 As more Western weapons                       come in 481 00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:15,365 and longer-range Russian Grad              and cruise missiles 482 00:26:15,407 --> 00:26:16,616 continue to fall, 483 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:20,328 both sides are settling in                for a long fight, 484 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:23,248 and no Ukrainians are safe. 485 00:26:23,290 --> 00:26:25,458 [distant explosion booms] 486 00:26:30,755 --> 00:26:32,591 speaking Ukrainian 487 00:26:39,723 --> 00:26:42,601 [continuing explosions] 488 00:26:45,895 --> 00:26:48,273 [Ben]   Nearly a quarter              of the buildings in the city 489 00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:49,899 have been destroyed. 490 00:26:49,941 --> 00:26:51,901 Nadya Rubenuik stayed behind 491 00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:55,238 even as her neighbors fled           the near-constant shelling. 492 00:26:57,574 --> 00:27:00,952 [Nadya]   speaking Ukrainian 493 00:27:09,753 --> 00:27:11,963 [Ben]   For Nadya                 and the countless civilians 494 00:27:12,005 --> 00:27:14,341 living through a capricious                 and violent war, 495 00:27:14,382 --> 00:27:16,134 this is their new normal. 496 00:27:16,176 --> 00:27:18,637 Do you worry                   about being killed here? 497 00:27:19,804 --> 00:27:23,141 speaking Ukrainian 498 00:27:35,403 --> 00:27:37,947 somber music 499 00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:47,290 tense dramatic music