1 00:00:08,008 --> 00:00:10,008 [ Street Noises ] 2 00:00:10,010 --> 00:00:13,010 - [ Horn Honking ] - [ Chattering ] 3 00:00:14,014 --> 00:00:16,024 [ Horn Honks Twice ] 4 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:25,023 [ Knocking In Rhythm ] 5 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:27,025 [ Knocks In Rhythm ] [ Laughs ] 6 00:00:27,027 --> 00:00:29,027 What's-- 7 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:32,030 [ Laughing ] 8 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:35,033 Where have you been? 9 00:00:35,035 --> 00:00:38,035 You look so cute in that box. I'm so hot in here. 10 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,038 Come on. We're supposed to be doing an interview. 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,040 I brought my air-conditioned box... 12 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:45,042 'cause I didn't know how long you'd be. 13 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:49,045 How handsome. Bill in a box. You could market it. 14 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:50,049 How are you? Just add water. 15 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:52,050 Which we've done. Oh, boy, sweetheart. 16 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:55,052 Oh, I am so hot just waiting for you. 17 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:59,055 [ Laughs ] What does that mean? That's what they all say. 18 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:01,059 Kate Mulgrew. Where to begin? 19 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:03,061 Kate is a thoroughbred. 20 00:01:03,063 --> 00:01:06,073 She comes on. She's one of the most professional actresses... 21 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:07,066 that I've ever worked with. 22 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:11,067 She is a real force. 23 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:13,071 I'd be sitting in my trailer. Kate Mulgrew would walk up-- 24 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:16,083 Bang, bang, bang! "Robbie, what are you doing? 25 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:18,076 Come on. We got to get to work. Let's go, go, go!" 26 00:01:18,078 --> 00:01:19,078 She was extraordinary. 27 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:22,081 I'm William Shatner, 28 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:27,092 and this is The Captains Close Up with Kate Mulgrew. 29 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:32,090 But I love to work on this stage. It's great. 30 00:01:32,092 --> 00:01:35,092 The stage is good. This is lovely, isn't it? 31 00:01:35,095 --> 00:01:38,095 How many seats do you think? I don't know. The capacity looks to be about 125. 32 00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:42,098 That's all? Oh, but how do you make money with 125 seats? 33 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:45,112 It's not about money. [ Laughs ] 34 00:01:46,106 --> 00:01:48,106 [ Shatner ] Audiences may know Kate best.. 35 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:51,108 from her memorable portrayal of Captain Kathryn Janeway... 36 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:53,111 of the starship Voyager. 37 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:58,123 But her real passion begins and ends in the theate, 38 00:01:58,118 --> 00:02:00,118 where we'll find out more about the force... 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,120 that is Katherine Kiernan Maria Mulgrew. 40 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:06,134 So you gave a reading. 41 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:08,126 Yeah. What's-- 42 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:09,128 Why? 43 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,129 You've put my hand to the fire now, aren't you, Bill? 44 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:13,131 Because this theater is famous for that. 45 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:15,133 It supports new plays, new playwrights. 46 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:17,135 We did it upstairs to a very glum, 47 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:20,137 if not altogether bleak, audience. 48 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:22,140 A glum and bleak audience listening to you read? 49 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:24,142 They did not respond to this. Yes, yes. 50 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:27,154 - What do you mean upstairs? - Upstairs is where you do some of the readings. 51 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:29,147 This is the theater itself. This is the theater proper. 52 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:31,149 It's very avant-garde down here, Bill. 53 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:34,151 What does that mean? I know what "avant-garde" means. 54 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:39,164 It means that none of the traditional rules apply here. 55 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:43,159 They're trying to break them, in fact, and create their own. 56 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:44,163 It's famous for that. 57 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:48,174 Some of the stuff that comes out of here is pretty wild and pretty magnificent. 58 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:51,168 Kate, who are you? 59 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:54,171 If I could answer that question, I don't think I'd be sitting here opposite you. 60 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:57,184 That's funny. I'd be on a mountaintop in Tibet. 61 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:58,177 Well, wait a minute. You're a mother. 62 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:01,178 I'm a mother. I'm a sister. 63 00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:04,181 I was a daughter-- a devoted one, if I may so myself. 64 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:06,194 I love to laugh. I love to read. I love to travel. 65 00:03:06,186 --> 00:03:09,186 Although one can't keep up with the likes of you. 66 00:03:09,189 --> 00:03:11,189 You like to cook? Love to cook. 67 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:13,191 What do you cook? Unparalleled fried chicken. 68 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:17,203 - Unparalleled-- - And the trick is lard, corn oil and butter. 69 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:19,197 Then you know what my friend did? What? 70 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:22,199 Took the skin off the chicken. That's the worst thing you could possibly do. 71 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:26,212 I said, "What are you doing? Why don't you just slap me?" Right. Or put ketchup on it. 72 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:28,206 Oh. Don't say that. A lot of people love ketchup. 73 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:32,208 I can't stand it when people put ketchup on a steak or a chicken. 74 00:03:32,212 --> 00:03:34,212 [ Chuckles ] Stop. Or they don't know anything about it. 75 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:37,224 Don't you make a discrimination... 76 00:03:37,217 --> 00:03:40,217 about a person who destroys your handiwork? 77 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:43,220 Don't you say, "Well, that's not too cool. I don't like that"? 78 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:45,223 I say that about my acting. 79 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:48,225 I've been acting for over 35 years. 80 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:53,228 If that is erroneously or wrongly criticized, 81 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:56,243 if the wrong condiments are poured on that, 82 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:57,236 I really resent it. 83 00:03:57,237 --> 00:04:01,237 - What do you do when you get bad reviews? - I'm devastated. 84 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:04,241 - Are you? Really? - Oh, yeah. Devastated. 85 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:06,254 I react badly to criticism. 86 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:07,246 All actors do. 87 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:10,247 We're insecure about that, aren't we? What about Olivier? 88 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:13,250 There was Olivier, at the height of his career, 89 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:18,263 absolutely frozen to the point where he couldn't go back onstage for five years. 90 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:21,258 What was he thinking about himself? 91 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:23,261 If I can hazard this-- and I don't mean it... 92 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:26,273 in a-- in a, uh-- a critical or harsh sense-- 93 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:28,266 He was only thinking about himself. 94 00:04:28,268 --> 00:04:31,268 Who gives a damn if I fail or succeed? 95 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:34,271 It doesn't matter. We're all gonna die. 96 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:36,284 It's when you put that much importance in who you are. 97 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:39,276 - It doesn't matter. - So wait. 98 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,279 You don't put that importance on yourself? I don't think so. 99 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:45,282 Let me be honest. It's changed. It was more important when I was a young actress. 100 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:48,285 I've evolved. I hope I've matured a little bit. 101 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:50,288 It's not as important as it once was. 102 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:53,290 But I've taken my moments. I've had my babies. 103 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:56,303 Well, you got married and stopped. You were a housewife for years. 104 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:58,296 I was not a housewife for years. Shame on you. 105 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:00,298 - I don't mean that as a derogatory-- - I never was a housewife. 106 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,300 What are you talking about? You were a cook, a mother, 107 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:04,302 a lover, a wife. Yes. Yes. 108 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:07,314 You were a politician. But I worked throughout it. 109 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:09,307 I was the breadwinner. 110 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:13,309 [ Girl ] My question is-- What made you wanna be an actor in the first place? 111 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:15,313 What's your name? Arianna. 112 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:18,315 Arianna, how old are you? Eleven. 113 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:20,318 Eleven. Well, I'm gonna tell you a little story, Arianna, 114 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,320 because I was gonna guess that you were about 11. [ All Laughing ] 115 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:26,333 [ Mulgrew ] At 11, in my little Catholic school, 116 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:30,326 the nun said to me, "Katie Mulgrew, you write wonderful poetry, 117 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,330 but I think what you should do is get up in front of the school... 118 00:05:32,332 --> 00:05:34,332 and recite the poems that you have written." 119 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:36,344 So I went home, and I said to my mother, 120 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,336 "Mother, Sister Benedict thinks I'm writing beautiful poetry. 121 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,338 She wants me to recite it to the school." 122 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:44,340 My mother said, "This poetry? This poetry is dreck." [ Audience Laughs ] 123 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:48,354 "I'm gonna give you a poem called 'The White Cliffs' by Alice Duer Miller... 124 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:50,348 about a love affair in World War I." 125 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:52,350 I was 11. This is my mother. 126 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:54,352 My mother, smoking, glass of wine-- 127 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:57,364 "All right, kitten, go on. Go on. I'm listening." [ Inhales, Exhales ] 128 00:05:57,357 --> 00:06:01,357 "'The White Cliffs of Dover' by Alice Duer Miller. 129 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:04,361 I have loved England, dearly and deeply, 130 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:08,374 Since that first morning, shining and pure, 131 00:06:08,368 --> 00:06:10,368 The white cliffs of Dover, I saw--" 132 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:13,370 She said, "You're not gonna be a poet. You're gonna be an actress." 133 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,373 [ Applause ] 134 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:18,375 [ Woman ] Whatever Kate wanted to do, she was gonna do it. 135 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:21,378 There just was no ifs or ands or buts about it. 136 00:06:21,381 --> 00:06:25,381 I remember very early Katie announcing to the family... 137 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:26,385 that she was interested in becoming an actress, 138 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:29,386 and my mother instructed her to get a dictionary. 139 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:33,389 And my mother told her to open the dictionary to the word "discipline." 140 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:37,403 My mother said to Katie, "Once that definition becomes meaningful to you, 141 00:06:37,397 --> 00:06:40,397 then you have a chance of being an actress." 142 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,400 [ Man ] The thing I remember about her... 143 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:46,412 was she had that great diction and that great interpretive read on everything she did. 144 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,406 [ Mulgrew ] "Of course I feel badly for Jack. 145 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:52,408 But he was just an acquaintance, not a lover or anything like that. 146 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:56,422 I like older men anyway. How old are you, Mr. Coate?" 147 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,417 [ Shatner ] By age 17, 148 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:02,419 Katie packed up and left the family farm in Dubuque, Iowa... 149 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:06,432 and headed to the Big Apple, where she studied at New York University... 150 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:09,426 and at the Stella Adler Studio of Acting. 151 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:13,429 It didn't take long for young Kate to land her first big television role... 152 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:18,443 as the strong-willed Mary Ryan in the ABC daytime soap opera Ryan's Hope. 153 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:20,438 At the same time, Kate could also be found... 154 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,440 on the theater stage, portraying Emily... 155 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:27,453 in the American Shakespeare Theater production of Our Town. 156 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:30,447 At the age of 23, Kate was lured to Los Angeles... 157 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:32,450 by NBC's president, Fred Silverman, 158 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:35,452 who cast her as the lead in Mrs. Columbo... 159 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:37,455 and then in Kate Loves a Mystery. 160 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:41,457 Although neither show was a huge success, Kate was, 161 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:43,461 and would continue starring and guest starring... 162 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:49,473 in a variety of television, theater and film productions over the next several years. 163 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,469 But in 1995, Kate would get a call... 164 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:54,472 to audition for a new television series... 165 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:59,484 that would ultimately reshape her career and her life. 166 00:07:59,479 --> 00:08:01,479 [ Mulgrew ] I thought Star Trek was a little bit of a joke... 167 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:04,481 before I was hired to play Captain Janeway. 168 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:06,494 I remember I was at a wedding once and somebody said, "That's Patrick Stewart." 169 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:09,486 I said, "Who's Patrick Stewart?" He said, "The Star Trek captain." 170 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:11,489 I said, "Star Trek. Isn't that a cartoon?" "No, it's a series." 171 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:15,491 So when it came about for me, I was very relaxed in the audition... 172 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:18,495 'cause I thought it was nothing. 173 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:19,498 This is nothing. It's just-- 174 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:22,499 And then it, of course, changed my life. 175 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:25,502 But from the very moment I stepped on that bridge, 176 00:08:25,505 --> 00:08:28,505 I thought, "You better be excellent." 177 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:31,508 We got word that Kate Mulgrew was cast. 178 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:36,521 And from the moment she stepped on the bridge, we could all relax, 179 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:39,516 because Kate is a natural leader. 180 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:43,519 We had an actress who wanted to be there, 181 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:45,523 was immaculately prepared every day. 182 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:51,525 Just has a, um, a take-charge element in her personality. 183 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:54,531 I'm reay easy to get along with most of the time. 184 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:58,544 But I don't like bullies, and I don't like threats, 185 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:01,538 and I don't like you, Cullah. 186 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:08,546 You can try and stop us from getting to the truth, 187 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:11,548 but I promise you, if you do, 188 00:09:11,551 --> 00:09:15,551 I will respond with all the unique technologies at my command. 189 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:17,555 Janeway out. 190 00:09:18,558 --> 00:09:22,558 Captain Janeway is a wonderful creation. Yeah. 191 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:26,572 And exemplifies much of what you do. Absolutely. 192 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,566 I've never once been embarrassed by any aspect of her. 193 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:32,569 And I've never had that relationship with the fans that you've had. 194 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:37,582 To me, they're direct reflection of my work and my credibility. 195 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:40,577 So I really have great-- great respect for them. 196 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,580 They edify me, you know. It-It works both ways. 197 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:49,585 There's a very delicate balance of actors that work well in Star Trek... 198 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:52,589 that have sort of-- a bit of a theatrical quality. 199 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:55,592 I think there's a reason that so many people in Star Trek... 200 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:56,595 come from the theater world, 201 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:59,596 and I think it's because that's where the best training is. 202 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,599 [ Man ] She's a very accomplished stage actress herself. 203 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:06,611 She's naturally predisposed to like other theater actors. 204 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:08,606 There's a chemistry and a perfect combination... 205 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:12,608 that Patrick Stewart had, that Bill Shatner had. 206 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:18,622 It takes a discipline that most actors that just do film do not understand. 207 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:21,618 All of them, you know, I think, have had-- 208 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:23,621 And when it's worked well-- 209 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:26,633 And Kate had all those things. She had all of them. 210 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:29,626 I also am a stickler for knowing my lines perfectly. 211 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:31,629 But you see me between takes... 212 00:10:31,631 --> 00:10:35,631 going like this, you know, and putting my glasses on and reviewing my lines. 213 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,635 She never needed to do that. 214 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:39,637 So I don't quite know how she did it. 215 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:41,639 But no matter how late she got out the night before, 216 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:43,641 she came the next day knowing the day's work. 217 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:50,645 Star Trek requires iron constitutions, which we all have. 218 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:52,650 We are built like steel. 219 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:56,662 I mean, I stood on my feet 18 hours a day. 220 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:59,656 And people think that we're having these lovely breaks. 221 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:01,659 It's 18 hours. 222 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:02,661 You're lucky to go to the john, right? 223 00:11:02,662 --> 00:11:05,662 You get 20 minutes for lunch, and that's it. Exactly right. 224 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:07,665 I learned that I can work without pause... 225 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:11,667 for almost seven and a half years at a very high level. 226 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:15,673 [ Dawson ] The first time I met Kate... 227 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:18,675 was walking from the makeup trailer to the soundstage. 228 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:21,678 And she was about to do her final test for the captain. 229 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:25,681 I thought it odd that we would be testing a captain when we already had a captain. 230 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:28,685 That's when I kind of was realizing that there was something going on. 231 00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:32,688 Before Kate was hired, we had another captain-- 232 00:11:32,692 --> 00:11:33,692 Geneviève Bujold. 233 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:36,703 Who was Janeway for a period of two days, and then she quit. 234 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:40,696 [ Shatner ] And is a distinguished Canadian actress... 235 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:44,700 who had done marvelous work both in Canada and in the United States. 236 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:47,714 And she was there two days, and the story I heard was-- 237 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:49,707 Not quite. She was there a day and a half. 238 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:51,709 - About a day. Yeah. - About a day. 239 00:11:51,711 --> 00:11:57,721 And she said to the producer, "I cannot endure this one moment longer." 240 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:59,717 [ French Accent ] "But surely you're kidding. 241 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:02,719 I mean, I can't do-- Who works like this is insane, for 18 hours. 242 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:04,722 I have a young son. I have a life." 243 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:05,724 And she left. She left. 244 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:10,725 This is an examined woman who knew this was not for her. 245 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:14,730 And saved everyone the agony, the money, the time, 246 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:18,744 the terrible complications of having staggered through of another couple of weeks... 247 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:20,738 and making it really impossible. But I have never heard-- 248 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,740 Yeah. Excuse me. 249 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:24,742 - Anybody walk like that? - That's right. 250 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:27,754 I think-- I don't know-- that it was just clear to her, 251 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,747 after a day, no. 252 00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:32,749 Seven years of this. 'Cause it's a seven-year deal. 253 00:12:32,752 --> 00:12:35,752 What was she doing the day before? Wasn't she learning it? 254 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:37,755 I think that Geneviève Bujold... 255 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:40,757 is a great artist of the other school. 256 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,760 - More delicate. - I don't know more delicate. 257 00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:45,762 But she's used to shooting two pages a day. 258 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:48,765 I think she was thinking that there would be time to rehearse it on the set. 259 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:51,768 They didn't say you got to appear at 6:00 and, uh, 260 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:53,771 we don't know when you'll quit. I had no idea, Bill. 261 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:56,783 - Maybe you were apprised. - Well, of course. 262 00:12:56,776 --> 00:12:57,776 I was shot out of a cannon. 263 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,779 [ Man ] I saw Geneviève Bujold once. 264 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:04,781 She passed by me, and her eyes were glazed, and she was like-- 265 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:09,794 I said, "Hi, Geneviève, and she was like, "Hi." 266 00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:11,789 Um, I think-- I think she realized... 267 00:13:11,791 --> 00:13:13,791 she probably didn't wanna be there. 268 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:17,803 The scene that Geneviève left was the scene that Voyager takes away from Deep Space Nine. 269 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:20,797 And Captain Janeway walks around, sits on the chair, 270 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,800 and she looks at the camera, and she goes, "Engage." 271 00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:26,813 The way Geneviève Bujold did it-- She sat down on the chair, 272 00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:28,806 closed her eyes and said, "Engage." 273 00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:31,808 She whispered it, at which point everyone on the set, the crew, were freaking out. 274 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:33,811 "Oh, my gosh. That's so not captain-like." 275 00:13:33,813 --> 00:13:38,823 I wanted to be on the show because I love Geneviève Bujold. She's a wonderful actress. 276 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:41,818 But then Kate came on, and it was seamless. 277 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:43,821 We were shooting the same scene, and everyone is on pins and needles-- 278 00:13:43,823 --> 00:13:45,823 "How is she gonna do this? How is she gonna do this?" 279 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:48,825 She comes around. She talks to me. She goes, "Thrusters ready, Mr. Paris?" 280 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:51,828 And then she sits down, and she looks at the camera, and she goes, "Engage." 281 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:54,831 And we were all like, "Thank God. We've got a real captain now." 282 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,844 Warp six. Engage. 283 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,842 I did a feature film with Richard Burton. 284 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:07,854 It may well have been his last. I did Tristan and Isolde. 285 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:10,847 They re-entitled it Lovespell here for marketing reasons. 286 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:13,850 We had a lot of time together in Ireland-- three or four months... 287 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:14,853 living in castles. 288 00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:17,864 And I said, "Who was the best you've ever worked with? 289 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:20,857 Yes, who was the best?" I think we were having a little whiskey. 290 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:24,860 - Of course. - He said, "Ah, Katerina, let me see." 291 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:27,874 And he talked about Elizabeth Taylor, of course. He was mad about her. 292 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:30,867 He said, "The very best was Geneviève Bujold. 293 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:33,870 - No. - And I said, "How?" 294 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:37,883 He said, "We did a little picture called Anne of the Thousand Days. 295 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:40,877 And Elizabeth was coming to visit me. 296 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,880 And I was sitting in a chair next to Geneviève. 297 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,893 And she saw Elizabeth Taylor arriving out of the corner of her eye, 298 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:51,886 and she whispered, not directly to me, but almost to herself, 299 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:54,891 "Now I'm going to give her an acting lesson she'll never forget." 300 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:57,904 - [ Chuckles ] - And he said, "And she did." 301 00:14:57,897 --> 00:14:58,897 Wow. 302 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:01,899 [ Dawson ] It's hard for people who aren't in the business... 303 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:06,911 to understand that working an eight-hour day is not even a half day for us sometimes. 304 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:10,906 We're beginning the second half of our day at the end of that. 305 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:12,910 Things were not real smooth in her personal life. 306 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:14,912 She was going through a lot of stuff, 307 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,924 especially when we started the show. 308 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:18,916 [ Wang ] She was juggling a lot of stuff-- 309 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:21,918 dealing with an ex-husband who wasn't really cooperating basically. 310 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:25,921 And spent a lot of time talking about juggling our lives and the show-- 311 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:28,925 making it a good show but not neglecting what we had at home, 312 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:30,928 which is why we do this all, really, ultimately. 313 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:34,930 It could have been a much rockier start for all of us... 314 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:38,944 had she not been of the temperament that she is-- very strong. 315 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:43,938 [ Mulgrew ] You know, my boys were nine and 10 when I became Captain Janeway. 316 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,953 Boys don't care. They want their mother. 317 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:50,948 I have regrets. 318 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:54,950 I think that my relationships were secondary to my career. 319 00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:58,955 And in a couple of cases, I regret that. 320 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:01,958 That's a terrible emotion, isn't it? 321 00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:03,961 Regret? No. I think it's a deeply human emotion. 322 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,963 I don't trust people who don't have regret. 323 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:07,965 I didn't say it wasn't deeply human. I said it's terrible. 324 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:09,967 I'll tell you this. 325 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:12,969 Uh, I think there's a moment when you have to walk away. 326 00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:15,972 You can walk. You can get in a car, drive away, 327 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,975 and I did neither. 328 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:19,977 When you get in the car, where are you driving to? 329 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:22,979 Well, I would go to my child who was in pain. 330 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:26,992 - Who was in pain. - Yeah, there was a serious thing going on. 331 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:28,986 - Tell me about it. - I don't wanna talk about that. 332 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:30,988 Go around it, but give me the emotional-- 333 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:32,990 The gist of it is this. Uh-- 334 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:37,004 It's a harrowing thing. 335 00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:40,996 It's urgent to the moment. 336 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Hospitalization is imminent. 337 00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:46,002 Uh, the father is, I think, out of town. 338 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,005 I need to go. 339 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,007 So a producer is saying to you, "You can't go." 340 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:52,009 Essentially that's it. 341 00:16:52,011 --> 00:16:55,011 "If you leave, it's gonna cost us $250,000." 342 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,014 "How are we gonna do this?" "How are we gonna do that?" 343 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:59,015 "What do we tell Business Affairs? What do we tell Public--" 344 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:03,018 I would say that there is nothing quite like that excruciating feeling... 345 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,022 of pressure. 346 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:08,025 Both sides coming in. 347 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:12,027 And I am this creature in the middle. 348 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:14,031 And so what happened that day in my life... 349 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:17,043 - was nobody got anything. - Wow. 350 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:24,039 It wasn't easy being the first female captain in Star Trek. 351 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:27,053 There've been a bunch of males before you. 352 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:30,046 [ Dawson ] I think that Kate really broke the glass ceiling... 353 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:32,049 in terms of captains, obviously. 354 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:37,061 The biggest thing for Kate was the responsibility... 355 00:17:37,056 --> 00:17:38,056 that there were young women... 356 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:41,057 who were gonna look at her performance and this character... 357 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:44,060 and that that might change their lives. 358 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:46,063 And I think she really believed it... 359 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:50,065 and felt the responsibility of that, more than anything. 360 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:54,069 [ Woman ] When Kate Mulgrew came on as Captain Janeway, 361 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:55,073 that was it for me. 362 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:59,084 There are so little really great female role models out there, 363 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,078 and she proved to be the best. 364 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,080 She was strong and resilient... 365 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:07,092 and totally committed to getting her crew home... 366 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,086 at the expense of sometimes herself and her life. 367 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:14,088 I know women look up to her, especially, because she is that role model for us. 368 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:18,103 I mean, working for 20 years, and we're friends-- very good friends. 369 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:21,097 Her core is a really strong woman. 370 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:24,100 Nothing can put her down. 371 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:27,113 She's just the kind of woman that's really-- 372 00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:29,106 I wanna be like her. 373 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:32,108 I'm a retired Supreme Court justice... 374 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:34,111 from the state of Nevada. 375 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:36,113 I was a judge for about 20 years. 376 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:41,115 Military women that I know who are captains, majors, generals... 377 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,120 have all felt that she had that right balance. 378 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:48,133 When you see women doing professional roles on a television program, 379 00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:51,127 people, they don't realize it, but over time, that's changing their perspective... 380 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:53,130 on the outlook of the world. 381 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:57,143 [ Shatner ] After seven successful seasons of Voyager, 382 00:18:57,136 --> 00:18:59,136 Kate continued in television... 383 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:03,138 but also found her way back to her first love-- the theater. 384 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:05,142 Kate took on a role that, whether she knew it or not, 385 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:10,154 she had been destined to play her entire life. 386 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:14,149 Tea At Five, a one-woman play written by Matthew Lombardo, 387 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,153 was an intimate look at the life of Katharine Hepburn. 388 00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:21,155 Kate had, for years, been compared to the legendary actress, 389 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,160 and her tour de force portrayl would earn Kate critical acclaim... 390 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:28,173 as well as a Carbonell Award for best performance by an actress. 391 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:31,168 [ Horn Honking ] 392 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:36,172 [ Shatner ] You used the word "breadwinner." 393 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:38,175 Yeah. 394 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,177 Overrated. 395 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:41,178 [ Scoffs ] Not at all. 396 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,180 You were the breadwinner for your family. I know. 397 00:19:44,183 --> 00:19:47,193 I could have taken a different kind of job that would have paid less... 398 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,186 but sufficiently. You weren't sure of that. 399 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:54,188 Our nature of our work is unsure, is precarious. 400 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:58,203 And here you have a contract with a popular show, and you're on that show, 401 00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:03,197 and you're saying to yourself, "There's nobody here who's gonna support me... 402 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:05,202 if I don't have this job, if I fail. 403 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,214 Nobody's gonna support me. 404 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:09,206 I'm supporting not only me and my children... 405 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:11,208 but a whole skein of other people." 406 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:15,210 - That's true. - That's a huge force, Kate. 407 00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:18,224 It is a huge force. But I think we must be very careful. 408 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:21,217 Now, I'm gonna be strong about this 'cause I've thought it through. 409 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:24,220 We are in a greedy-- [ Chuckles ] well-oiled business, 410 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:26,223 and you know it. 411 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:30,225 When it comes to episodic television, show me the money, baby. 412 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:33,229 'Cause if there's no money, we don't do that kind of work. 413 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:35,232 We don't do that out of love. 414 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:37,244 This is where we go for love. 415 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:40,236 Hollywood, episodic television, is where the money is. 416 00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:44,239 So it's about a kind of greed, isn't it? 417 00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:46,243 Part of what you said is true. There's money there. 418 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,245 - But, hey, you did some good acting. - Yes, that's true. 419 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:51,248 Some good work. Got well paid for it. 420 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:56,250 Doesn't that put to lie the statement you just made? No. 421 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,255 I would not have done that for no money. 422 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:01,257 But I do this for no money. Do you understand the difference? 423 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,260 - Right. I do, but-- - And I did this when I was young for no money. 424 00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:06,272 And I've continued to do it all my life for no money. 425 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:11,267 We knew she would be successful, 'cause she was driven. 426 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:13,270 [ Man ] I can see her back there at Derby Grange. 427 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:15,272 She had that modified version of Shakespeare, 428 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:18,284 and she's reading Shakespeare to me, and I'm, like, 16 years old. 429 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:21,277 Visiting her over there, and she's reading this part... 430 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,280 back by their barn out there at Derby Grange, 431 00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:26,283 and I thought, "She's really committed to this whole thing." 432 00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:31,285 So when she moved to New York, it was no doubt that she would land work as an actress. 433 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:37,303 We got a couple of members of Kate's family here. 434 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:39,296 Mm-hmm. 435 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,298 I want them to ask some questions as well. Kate, introduce us. 436 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:46,300 Bill, it's my great pleasure to introduce you to my youngest sister. 437 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,305 I'm one of eight children 438 00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:50,306 This is Jenny Mulgrew, my beloved youngest sister, 439 00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:53,309 and her daughter, my goddaughter, Michaela, 440 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:56,312 otherwise known as Cookie Beck. 441 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:59,315 Cookie? Cookie. And she is a real cookie. 442 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:01,318 - Let me take it from here. - Yeah, you do-- 443 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Jenny, I want you to ask your sister a question... 444 00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:06,322 of something you've wondered about. 445 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:09,325 Wow. You're not making this very easy on me, are ya? 446 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:12,328 [ Laughs ] Let me think about that. 447 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:15,331 Because I could pretty much ask her anything, and I have. 448 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:19,344 I suppose, Katie. Let's turn back the clock. 449 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:23,338 If you had to do it all over again, would you? 450 00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:26,342 And if not, what would you do? 451 00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:29,345 I would change my relationship with my daughter. 452 00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:33,349 And I would change my relationship with my sons. 453 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:37,362 [ Jenny ] Well, naturally, we all would, um, fix the things... 454 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:39,356 that we regret and wish that never were. 455 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:42,358 - Exactly. - But my question is-- 456 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:44,361 In the event that you had to do it all over again, 457 00:22:44,363 --> 00:22:48,373 would you still be the actress that you are, 458 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:50,367 or would you have done it differently, do you think? 459 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,369 Oh, I can answer one thing. 460 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:54,371 And I've given this great thought, 461 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:56,373 so I can answer it with some confidence. 462 00:22:56,375 --> 00:23:00,375 I would not have gone to Hollywood as young as I did. 463 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:02,379 I would have stayed in New York. 464 00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:06,381 I said no to Mrs. Columbo, to Fred Silverman, when he offered it to me. 465 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,385 I said I'm too young. I'm an actress in the theater. 466 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,387 I've trained to be in the theater. 467 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:13,389 I've been offered Desdemona, and I wanna stay. 468 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:18,402 He said, "I'm gonna make you an offer you must accept." And he did. 469 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:20,397 - And you accepted it? - Yes, but I've regretted that. 470 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,399 It didn't go well. Well, no. 471 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,401 It staggered. You're right. 472 00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:26,403 It had three incarnations. 473 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:27,405 What do you mean? It was Mrs. Columbo. 474 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,406 Then it was Kate Loves a Mystery, and then it was Kate Columbo. 475 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:31,409 He kept trying. Mm-hmm. 476 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,410 [ Mulgrew ] I think he kept trying because he knew... 477 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:36,412 that I'd given up my whole life to go out there and do that... 478 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,415 and that I had resisted it initially. 479 00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:41,417 So the irony is it didn't work out the way you thought it was going to work out. 480 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:44,420 And I was terribly happy that it didn't work out. Right. 481 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:47,433 But did you remain in Los Angeles as a result of-- 482 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,426 - I fled. I came right back to New York. - You fled. 483 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,428 And what do you think happened the minute I landed? 484 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,431 I was offered a movie. 485 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:57,443 And out of that came a miniseries which shot in Ireland. 486 00:23:57,436 --> 00:24:02,436 So what happened was film shaped my career instead of the theater. 487 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:05,441 - So by the nature of the decision you made... - Uh-huh. 488 00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:09,454 not to play Desdemona, to go with Fred Silverman, 489 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,448 changed your entire life. 490 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:15,450 Yeah. Yes, I would say it did. 491 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:20,464 - And if the nature of your regret has any value, - Mmm. 492 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:24,459 it would be had you remained true to your ideals, 493 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:29,473 at that moment, your life would have been different. 494 00:24:29,468 --> 00:24:33,468 And again, we're talking about that curious reaction... 495 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,472 that we both had in our respective trailers... 496 00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:38,484 when pressure was applied to us to do something. 497 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:42,477 I felt the same pressure about Mrs. Columbo. 498 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:44,481 Because it didn't just come from Fred Silverman. 499 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:47,493 It was coming from my agent, from my lawyer, from everybody I knew. 500 00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:50,486 "You're crazy. You're crazy. You're crazy. You got to do this. 501 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:51,489 It's gonna open up your career." 502 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:55,490 But my best instinct was saying, "Baloney." 503 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,498 [ Picardo ] I remember the last day that Kate shot-- 504 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:06,501 working alone, on a bridge, with a stripped-down crew... 505 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,505 and just doing some quick inserts... 506 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:12,508 and quick pops for little moments on the bridge. 507 00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:14,511 And the moment she did the last one, 508 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:18,523 it was like, "Cut. Okay, that's it." 509 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:21,517 And they were just pulling the set apart around her. 510 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,520 There was just, like, no acknowledgment of the moment. 511 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,533 No flowers sent down from the production office. 512 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,526 No thanks for seven years of leadership. 513 00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,528 No this or that. Just, "Cut. That's it. 514 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:35,530 Please get off the chair so we can hit it with an ax." 515 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:39,544 And she looked a little shell-shocked and confused and sad. 516 00:25:39,538 --> 00:25:43,538 And I saw her on stage and saw these things playing across her face... 517 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:46,542 and stepped out and gave her a big hug, 518 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:49,545 and that was really the moment where... 519 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:53,550 Voyager came home. 520 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:04,559 [ Shatner ] Kate Mulgrew is an American classic, 521 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:09,573 a unique combination of talent, grace, strength and vulnerability. 522 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:11,568 Kate continues her exceptional journey... 523 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:16,570 in theater, television, film and in life. 524 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:19,575 I think when I was young, 525 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:23,578 acting was, for me, the great escape. 526 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,583 Although I took it very seriously. 527 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:29,585 As I've evolved, 528 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,588 loved and lost-- 529 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,591 but loved-- 530 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:38,603 I see that what's really interesting to me and important to me in life... 531 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:40,597 is human relationships... 532 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,599 beyond this-- certainly beyond this. 533 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:45,601 I suppose I wish I could say otherwise, but it's not true. 534 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:50,614 Not fame, not money, not even the craft itself... 535 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:52,609 is more important to me than the people that I love. 536 00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:55,611 And that's where I've come to. 537 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,624 I suppose that was always me. 538 00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:01,616 But it takes some years of feeling... 539 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:07,630 the deep strains of love. 540 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:08,626 It's the only mystery... 541 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:14,627 that-- that is infinitely important. 542 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:16,633 Nothing else matters to me, really, 543 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:19,635 and I don't think-- I think nothing else really matters, period. 544 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:22,638 All the rest of it shall pass away, 545 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:24,641 but love endures in a curious way, 546 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:29,653 in whatever way you wanna, um, put it. 547 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:31,648 But for me, that's where I am. 548 00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:32,650 There is no question. People come first. 549 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:36,651 [ Sam ] I think her principal kind of influence was my mother. 550 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:40,655 My mother basically encouraged her to do the thing that she loved. 551 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:44,659 She gave her the confidence that she should be able to go out and achieve it. 552 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:48,673 My life has been greatly influenced by the strong women in my life, 553 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,667 and Katie is right at the top of that. 554 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,669 [ Hemmer ] But I think she's accomplished a great deal... 555 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:57,682 not only in television and in motion pictures... 556 00:27:57,676 --> 00:28:01,676 but in her personal life with her dedication to the Alzheimer's Association. 557 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,680 I think it's very inspiring. 558 00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:06,692 And I think she's really a woman of principle and great character. 559 00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:13,689 - What a wonderful interview you have given. - Thank you. 560 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:18,702 What an honest, straightforward-- as you are-- 561 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:19,697 Irish girl. 562 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:23,698 Thank you. You're tough, but you're always fascinating. 563 00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,702 Come here. 564 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,714 I love you. You're fantastic. You too. You too. 565 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:37,724 Closed-Captioned by Captions, Inc., Burbank, CA 566 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:42,716 They never really let Kate's character have any strong romantic interests. 567 00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:47,731 She had to be kind of the tortured loner female captain... 568 00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:49,726 of the starship Voyager, 569 00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:53,728 taking its long 75-year journey home... 570 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,732 without a date. 571 00:28:55,734 --> 00:29:00,744 [ Man ] That relationship between Janeway and Chakotay that could have been... 572 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:01,739 but never could be. 573 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:04,740 [ Laughing ] 574 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,743 One question for all of you out there. 575 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:10,745 Who would've run the damn ship? Right? 576 00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:12,749 Commander Chakotay, in my bedroom, now.