1 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:21,019 [ Both Laughing ] 2 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:24,023 Welcome, Bill. 3 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:26,034 Scott, geez. 4 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:28,026 I-I have admired you for so long. 5 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:30,028 You are my hero. 6 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:32,030 Are you kidding me? No, no. No, no. I'm not kidding, because-- 7 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:36,042 Vice versa. Well, I appreciate that, but the truth of the matter is, 8 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:38,036 you're such a hell of an actor, but you're a singer. 9 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,038 I am a singer. That is true. Yeah. 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,040 Do you think of yourself as a singer first? 11 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:43,042 Uh, yeah. Yeah, that's where I started. 12 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:45,043 I know. Musical theater. That's right. 13 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:48,045 Did you study? Of course. I still study. 14 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:50,048 Voice? Every week. 15 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:52,050 You take voice lessons every week? Yes. Every week. 16 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:54,052 Give me a-- Give me a thing. What do you-- What thing? 17 00:00:54,054 --> 00:00:56,064 A voice exercise. A voice-- An exercise? 18 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:58,056 ♪♪ [ Sings Scale ] 19 00:00:58,058 --> 00:01:00,058 Geez. That's wild. 20 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:02,060 [ Both Laughing ] 21 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:04,062 I can't sing, but I can ride a horse. 22 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,074 Let's hear a little. Let's do a little singing. 23 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:09,066 I sang yesterday. I can teach you today. 24 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:11,069 How long do we have? Really? We've got till 1:30-- 25 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:14,071 [ Laughing ] and then you have to go. 26 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:17,084 [ Shatner Narrating ] Scott realized early on... 27 00:01:17,077 --> 00:01:21,077 that performing made his heart beat a little faster. 28 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:23,081 What he didn't realize was that those performances... 29 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:26,093 he gave in high school and at his church in Kirkwood, Missouri... 30 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:31,086 would ultimately lead him to the bright lights of Broadway, 31 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:36,101 and eventually to fans all over the world. 32 00:01:36,096 --> 00:01:40,096 I'm William Shatner, and this is The Captains Close-Up... 33 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:42,100 with Scott Bakula. 34 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:48,105 Scott is one of the nicest people... 35 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:49,108 I've ever met in my life. 36 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:51,109 He's almost too good to be true. 37 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:55,111 There's just something about him that-that you're put at ease. 38 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:57,115 [ Man ] Right from day one, even from the read-through... 39 00:01:57,117 --> 00:01:59,117 that we had at Paramount, 40 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:02,119 you could tell that this was gonna be a great ride, 41 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:06,132 and the guy at the top of the food chain was an actor's actor. 42 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,129 [ Shatner ] So here's what I suggest we do. 43 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:13,131 Let's get on these horses-- 44 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:15,133 Are these your horses? These are my horses. 45 00:02:15,135 --> 00:02:16,135 You know these horses? Intimately. 46 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:18,136 [ Laughs ] For example, the horse I'm gonna put you on... 47 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:20,138 is 20 years old-- Yeah? 48 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:23,140 and she has her own will. 49 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:25,143 See, horses will-- Horses are characters. 50 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:27,145 Yes, they are. I know that. 51 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:30,147 But after 20 years of training, she's absolutely bomb-proof. 52 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:32,150 She's foolproof. Uh-huh. 53 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:34,152 But-- "But." But? 54 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:35,154 No, but if you have-- I don't want the "but." 55 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:38,155 Well, the butt is-- That's part of the horse. Understood. Yes. 56 00:02:38,158 --> 00:02:40,158 Uh, the "but" is this. 57 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,160 If you were able to, which you can't because you haven't been trained, 58 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:45,163 she could win a class. 59 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:48,165 They're so well trained-- And I'll teach you as we go-- 60 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:50,168 I need to know the right signals. Yeah. Yeah, the cues. 61 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:53,170 Thanks, Danny. Here or back in Kentucky, or-- 62 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:56,183 No. There's two sets of horses. 63 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:59,176 One are these Western horses-- Yes? 64 00:02:59,179 --> 00:03:02,179 and the other are saddlebreds-- Yes. 65 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:05,182 that we breed in Kentucky. 66 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,185 I know this. You know why I know this? Why do you know this? 67 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:11,187 Because my father-in-law purchased a horse from you years ago. 68 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:13,191 What? Wil Botfield. 69 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:15,193 I know Wil Botfield. Yes, you do. 70 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:18,195 Yes, and I married his daughter Chelsea. 71 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:19,198 Did you go to the River Bottom to-- 72 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:21,199 Of course. Did you get married at the River Bottom? 73 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:24,201 We didn't get married at the River Bottom, but we got-- 74 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:28,214 That is such a wild-- Yeah. So Lady In Red is a horse that you sold... 75 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:31,208 to Wil many, many years ago. Oh, for goodness' sakes. 76 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:34,211 What a wonderful gentleman he was. He was a wonderful guy. 77 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,224 What a character. Yeah. He was. 78 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:38,216 Come on. Let's you and I go into the ring, 79 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,218 and I'll show you a couple of things. 80 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:43,220 You can hold two hands. You can hold one hand. What do you suggest? 81 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:45,223 Well, for the beginning, why don't you hold two hands, 82 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:47,225 so you have direct contact. Okay. 83 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:50,227 Just grab one rein in each hand. 84 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:51,230 One rein in each hand. Yeah, that's it. 85 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,231 And now, all you need to do... 86 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:56,243 is just the slightest pressure of your legs forward. 87 00:03:56,236 --> 00:04:00,236 Just the lightest caress, uh, forward. Okay, moving them forward. 88 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Okay. Okay? 89 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:04,241 And we'll go this way-- Oops. [ Chuckling ] 90 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:05,244 Over here 'cause they're a little afraid of the camera. 91 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:08,245 Obviously you're not pressing the right way. Follow me. Follow me. 92 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,248 Follow him. Pressure of legs-- 93 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,250 Pressure-- Into the side of the horse? Yes. 94 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:14,252 Yes, I'm pressing. Press your legs a little bit. 95 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:16,264 Ah, there we go. There we go. 96 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:17,256 See, it's very simple. Come on over here. 97 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:19,257 Over the grass. Over the grass. All right. 98 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:22,259 And then towards that passageway there. All right. 99 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:26,272 And if I'm not back in a week-- [ Laughs ] 100 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:29,266 Cancel all your engagements. [ Laughs ] 101 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:32,269 Aaah. No grass today. Calvin, let's go. All right. 102 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:34,272 See how easy it is? Yes. 103 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:37,284 - It's subtle. It's-- - Do you have to keep pressing the whole time? 104 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:40,277 Once you've got her moving, she'll be all right. All right. 105 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,280 All right. Follow Bill. 106 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:44,282 I'm saying "Bill." Is that all right to call you that? 107 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:47,294 If I can call you Scott, you can call me Bill. All right. 108 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,295 You're handling the horse perfectly. [ Chuckles ] 109 00:04:57,297 --> 00:05:00,297 [ Laughing ] Okay. No, look what you just did. 110 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,300 Anything you do about your legs-- 111 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:04,302 Don't pull on the rein. Anything you do with your legs-- 112 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:06,314 Keep your legs sort of forward and out. Okay. 113 00:05:06,306 --> 00:05:08,306 Now, if you can turn her around-- 114 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:10,308 That's it. That's perfect. 115 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:12,310 Okay. That was a huge thing. 116 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:14,312 Now stop her from turning with your other leg. 117 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:16,324 That's it. Perfect. Okay. 118 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:18,316 Okay. Now-- 119 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:19,318 You're an athlete. Yes. 120 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:24,319 You're, uh-- You ran the marathon. I've run a couple. Yeah. 121 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,334 [ Shatner ] Why are you running a marathon with-- 122 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,326 [ Bakula Laughs ] Well, I like to run. 123 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:30,328 And I do it to stay in shape. 124 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,330 And it was a great opportunity... 125 00:05:32,332 --> 00:05:34,332 and it was a great challenge for me, 126 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:37,344 and it's a great thing to be a part of. 127 00:05:37,337 --> 00:05:39,337 The environment is fantastic. 128 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:41,339 Thousands of people are running. 25,000 people run. 129 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:46,351 'Cause I'm not trying to run to, you know, win the race. 130 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:50,346 I'm running to finish and to have the experience, 131 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:52,350 and to share that experience with all the other runners. 132 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:54,352 It works on so many levels-- 133 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:56,364 Just the camaraderie that I had with my buddy that I was running with, 134 00:05:56,356 --> 00:06:01,356 and just-- just finishing something... 135 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:03,361 with all those people who are doing it in all their own ways. 136 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:07,373 Everybody's-- People running because they're running for charity, 137 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:10,367 they're running to support people that they've lost. 138 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:11,370 It's a huge deal. 139 00:06:11,371 --> 00:06:15,371 And when you cross the finish line, it's just-- it's a rush. 140 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:17,375 Hey, I was at my doctor the beginning of the year, and he said-- 141 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:19,377 How were the numbers? The numbers are all good. 142 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:23,379 He said, "We're getting ready to start the second half of your life." 143 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:25,383 And I said, "Doc, I love that." 144 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:29,385 [ Shatner Narrating ] Well, if the second half is anything like the first, 145 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:31,389 Scott is in good shape. 146 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:35,391 But then, Scott was born into a heritage and ancestry... 147 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:38,395 where appreciation of the arts as well as sports... 148 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:40,398 goes back a long way. 149 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,400 [ Shatner ] "Bakula"-- Yes. 150 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:43,402 Which I understand means "flower." 151 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:45,403 Is that right? You know more than I. 152 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:47,405 Really? You know more than I do. 153 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:49,407 - What is that? - It's Czech. It's Bohemian, really. 154 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:53,409 Because when my ancestors came over, 155 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:57,423 it was when-- from the country of Bohemia, from around Prague. 156 00:06:57,417 --> 00:07:01,417 Why is a Bohemian-- And why is "Bohemian Rhapsody"-- 157 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:03,421 [ Laughing ] What-- Why is-- 158 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:07,433 - From the country of Bohemia, which no longer exists, right? - That's correct. 159 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:10,427 Did we get the adjective "Bohemian"-- 160 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:14,430 Well, the gypsies led a Bohemian lifestyle, 161 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:19,444 and those all kind of became part and parcel of that description. 162 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:22,439 A Bohemian is an artist, is, uh, 163 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:25,442 you know, someone who has, uh, flair... 164 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:28,445 and, uh, artistic-- 165 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:32,448 And, you know, the gypsies were circus people and entertainers. 166 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:35,452 - Oh, I see. - They kind of came out of the original jesters... 167 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:36,455 and people like that. 168 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,456 I never got that. They traveled around. 169 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:41,458 Was your family-- Did they have any of those characteristics? 170 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:43,461 - No. - But you have. 171 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:45,463 I have somehow. How did that happen? 172 00:07:45,465 --> 00:07:46,465 - No idea. - No, come on. 173 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:49,466 My mother's very musical. 174 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,469 My dad was a concert pianist as well as a lawyer. 175 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:55,472 Wait a minute. He was a concert pianist and a lawyer? 176 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:59,475 Yes. He studied classical piano, and still plays very well. 177 00:07:59,479 --> 00:08:02,479 Anyway, I had pianos in my house my whole life, 178 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:04,482 so there was always music around. 179 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:06,494 And my parents-- 'Cause my dad went to Princeton. 180 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:09,486 He used to go to New York when he was at school... 181 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:13,489 with his buddies from Princeton, and he couldn't-- 182 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:14,493 They brought him to New York. 183 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:16,504 My dad was raised very blue collar. 184 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:20,496 He worked his butt off at Princeton, 185 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,500 and he was a waiter in the eating club, 186 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:24,502 so he wasn't part of the scene at all. 187 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,514 But he became friends with these people. 188 00:08:26,506 --> 00:08:29,506 And he was a great athlete. 189 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:30,509 And they would take him into New York-- 190 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:33,510 "Hey, Stew, you wanna come to New York and see a show?" 191 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:35,513 So he developed this love of New York shows. 192 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:38,515 So when I was growing up in the '60s, 193 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:39,518 my parents would disappear for a few days, 194 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,519 go to New York, see a Broadway show... 195 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:44,521 and come back home with Cabaret-- an album from Cabaret-- 196 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:48,534 or How to Succeed in Business Without Really-- Any of those kind of shows. 197 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:51,528 So I was getting this kind of distant love affair. 198 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:54,531 You'd put the album on and you'd be listening to Mame or Angela Lansbury or somebody. 199 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:57,544 So I grew up having it around me. 200 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:59,537 - Did they encourage you to sing? - They did. Yeah. 201 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:01,539 I started singing from a very, very young age. How young? 202 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:05,541 Well, I was singing-- I had a band in the fourth grade. 203 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:07,545 I sang with a symphony in the fifth grade. 204 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:08,547 [ Shatner ] Ten, 11 years old? Yeah. Nine, 10, 11. 205 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:10,548 I always sang. 206 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:14,550 The musical theater kind of came out of that. Uh-huh. 207 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:16,564 Did your mom make sure you had lessons? 208 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:19,556 No. No. It was just kind of-- They weren't pushing it. 209 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,559 You gotta remember, it's St. Louis. 210 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:24,561 It wasn't like, let's grow up in be in show business. 211 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:25,564 What did your father say? 212 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:29,565 You know, at the time, he didn't understand. 213 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:31,569 Because, as I was saying earlier, in St. Louis, 214 00:09:31,571 --> 00:09:34,571 it wasn't like here, where we live, that every-- 215 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:36,584 There's a gaffer that lives at the end of the block, 216 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:40,576 and your kid goes to school with somebody else who's a makeup artist and-- 217 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,580 It wasn't part of our-our environment. 218 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:46,593 So when it was all said and done, 219 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:50,586 he was disappointed because he didn't-- he couldn't help me. 220 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:52,590 What did he want you to do? He wanted me to be a lawyer. 221 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:56,602 But more than that, he wanted to be able to assist me. You know? 222 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:58,596 In life, to give you a leg up. 223 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:00,598 If you're gonna be a doctor and your dad's a doctor, 224 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,600 then he says why don't we get you to this school, 225 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:04,602 and you can work for my-- you know, intern here and blah, blah, blah. 226 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:06,614 But he didn't have anything-- 227 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:08,606 So it was, in effect, basically saying... 228 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:11,608 his time as parenting me in that way was over. Right. 229 00:10:11,611 --> 00:10:14,611 I don't think he was ready to do that. I never thought of it that way. 230 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:18,624 'Cause my dad wanted me to go into his business. But that's true, isn't it? 231 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:20,618 You lose contact about 18. 232 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:23,620 You're saying, Dad, I want to sing. 233 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:25,623 Yeah. What does your mother say? 234 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:26,625 My mother secretly, I think, loved it. 235 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:28,626 She was always-- Yeah. 236 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:32,628 I mean, she really-- She's always been there. 237 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:33,632 And my dad's been great. 238 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:35,633 It was just, I think he-- You know, he's a parent. 239 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:38,635 And like my kids-- You know, you worry about your kids. 240 00:10:38,638 --> 00:10:41,638 You don't stop being a parent just become they become of age, 241 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:43,641 because they've got issues and challenges and things. 242 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:47,653 You want to be there to give advice, at least. 243 00:10:47,647 --> 00:10:51,647 I couldn't even call him up and say, "What do you think I should do about"-- 244 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:54,651 Should I take this part in The Rocky Horror Picture Show national tour? 245 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:57,664 Is that a good idea or a bad idea? 246 00:10:57,657 --> 00:10:59,657 Right. Right. He'd be like, "What's that?" 247 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:00,659 I sang a song yesterday-- 248 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:03,660 It was a patter song, so I didn't have to carry a tune... 249 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:06,673 or sustain a note, and I had the most fun. Yeah. 250 00:11:06,666 --> 00:11:09,666 That-- That I can do, and I have such fun with it. 251 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:12,669 But I've heard you-- 252 00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:14,672 You know, that Broadway musical voice. 253 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:17,684 Richard Kiley. Did you ever meet him? 254 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:19,677 [ Bakula ] I never met him. Do you know who he is? 255 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,679 Absolutely. I don't know whether he's alive or dead now. 256 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,681 He's not with us, I don't believe. 257 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:28,693 He was an amazing actor. He was a won-- He was very much like you. 258 00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:30,688 He was a musical actor... 259 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:34,690 who could take the broadness of musical comedy and do it, 260 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:39,704 as he did Kismet and several other name musicals. 261 00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:41,699 - La Mancha was his biggie. - Have you done it? 262 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:44,701 I've done it, yes. And it's extraordinary, isn't it? 263 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:46,714 It's unforgettable if you get to do it. 264 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:48,706 What's it like to do? 265 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:51,708 When you have a good text-- You know this better than anybody. 266 00:11:51,711 --> 00:11:54,711 When you have good words to say, it starts there. 267 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:58,724 And then the emotion of that piece is overwhelming, 268 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:00,718 because it's about friendship... 269 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,720 and it's about unrequited love and it's about freedom, 270 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,722 and it's about all these things-- the Spanish Inquisition-- 271 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:07,725 It's all rolled into one. 272 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:10,727 And you have probably one of the best scores ever written. 273 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:13,730 - I know. - So to get to sing it... 274 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:16,743 and be this character who's crazy and he's not crazy, 275 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:19,736 - and you don't know where he's coming from-- - And you hear the music go out. 276 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:23,739 You hear your voice go out to 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 people, 277 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:25,743 and it comes back, and they're listening. Yeah. 278 00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:30,745 Is there exultation over the power of your voice... 279 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:32,750 to weave a spell over them? 280 00:12:32,752 --> 00:12:34,752 Well, there's just magic in the theater. 281 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:38,764 That's where I started, and that's where-- If I'm lucky I'll end there. 282 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:42,758 There's just magic in sharing that space with people-- That experience. 283 00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:47,772 I'm starting a film, and I've gotta sing-- [ Laughs ] 284 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:51,767 I've gotta sing "If I Were a Rich Man." Yes. 285 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:53,771 Fiddler on the Roof. 286 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:55,773 And I know you've done Fiddler on the Roof. [ Laughs ] 287 00:12:55,775 --> 00:12:57,775 As a high school student-- Yes. 288 00:12:57,777 --> 00:12:59,777 and then as a professional. Not as a professional, no. 289 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,779 No one would ever hire me as-- Believe me. 290 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:04,781 So I've gotta sing Fiddler on the Roof, 291 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:06,794 but it's me, it's Shatner-- Yes. 292 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:10,786 playing in the musical Fiddler on the Moon-- 293 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,790 [ Laughs ] directed by Mel Brooks. 294 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:17,803 And the lyric will now be, "If I were a human." 295 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:19,797 ♪ If I were a human ♪ Okay? 296 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,800 Let's-- You gotta teach me... 297 00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:25,803 how to sing "If I Were a Rich Man." 298 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:28,805 If I were a human, huh? 299 00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:30,808 - You remember any of the lyrics? - Yeah. The original is-- 300 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:34,810 ♪ If I were a rich man Yubby, dibby, dibby-- ♪ 301 00:13:34,814 --> 00:13:37,824 Does it matter how many "yubby, dibby, dibby dabba, dooba, do"? 302 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,817 As long as y end before you gotta come back in again. 303 00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:41,819 - Right-- - ♪ Badda, bidda, badda, bum ♪ 304 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:45,821 You know, bum. ♪ All day long I'd biddy, biddy, bum ♪ 305 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:47,825 ♪ Biddy, biddy, biddy biddy bum ♪ Yeah. 306 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:51,827 ♪ I ♪ ♪ Wouldn't have to work hard ♪ 307 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:53,831 [ Together ] ♪ Yubby dibby, dibby, dibby, dibby, dibby da ♪♪ 308 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:56,843 - [ Both Laughing ] - I love it. You got it. 309 00:13:57,837 --> 00:13:59,837 [ Shatner Narrating ] In 1976, at the age of 22, 310 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:02,839 Scott moved to New York City. 311 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,842 He quickly made his Broadway debut... 312 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:07,854 as baseball legend Joe DiMaggio... 313 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,847 in Marilyn, An American Fable, 314 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:10,849 and appeared off-Broadway... 315 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:15,850 in the well received 3 Guys Naked from the Waist Down. 316 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,855 Aha. 317 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:22,857 The success of his next show, the musical Nite Club Confidential, 318 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:26,872 propelled Scott to Los Angele, where he began the Hollywood ascent, 319 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:29,866 appearing in commercials, television series, 320 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:30,869 made-for-TV movies. 321 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:33,870 And during a writers' strike in 1988, 322 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:37,883 Scott returned to Broadway, starring in the musical Romance/Romance. 323 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:42,877 The performance earned Scott a prestigious Tony nomination. 324 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:46,892 But in 1989, Scott would land a television role... 325 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:49,886 that would alter the course of his life. 326 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:54,890 As time traveler Sam Beckett in the popular television series Quantum Leap, 327 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:56,904 Scott finally found a leading role... 328 00:14:56,896 --> 00:15:00,896 that would showcase his wide range of talents as an actor. 329 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,900 I thought it was just awesome because as actors, 330 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:05,902 we get to play so many different things. 331 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:08,905 This is one guy, one show. You get to play everything. 332 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:10,908 [ Shatner ] The show would run for a successful five seasons... 333 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:13,910 and bring Scott legions of fans, 334 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:16,923 as well as a Golden Globe Awad in 1992... 335 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:20,916 for best actor in a dramatic series. 336 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,920 When I did Quantum Leap years ago, it was-- 337 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:25,922 That was a marathon. I liken that to a marathon-- Yeah. 338 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:26,925 to try to get to the end of the season. Right. 339 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:30,926 I had five days off in four and a half years when I wasn't on the set, 340 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:32,930 from first shot to last shot. 341 00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:34,932 - Did it affect your relationships? - Absolutely. Absolutely. 342 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:36,944 - Did it affect your marriage? - Absolutely. Absolutely. 343 00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:38,936 - How badly? - Well, that marriage ended. 344 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:40,938 Right. So did mine. 345 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:43,940 That was really a-- [ Stammers ] 346 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:44,943 It wasn't a direct product of it, 347 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:48,954 but it certainly fed into it. 348 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:51,948 What was it like when you left Quantum... 349 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:54,951 uh, and you're the lead in a series-- 350 00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:57,964 you're Scott Bakula. 351 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:02,957 Won a Golden Globe, nominated for all kinds of awards-- 352 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:03,962 Quantum Leap. You were wonderful. 353 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,963 You were bloody wonderful. 354 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:07,965 Thank you. Thank you. Okay. 355 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:10,967 Quantum Leap's over. 356 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,970 What's-- Is anybody knocking on your door? 357 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:15,973 Um, not really. 358 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,975 [ Both Laugh ] Not really. 359 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:18,977 Not really. Not really. 360 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,978 So what did you do? 361 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,980 Well, I did-- 362 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:24,982 I did a few things. 363 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:27,994 You know, you try and figure this business out, and it drives you crazy, 364 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:31,987 but I thought, I'm gonna try and stay away from television for a while, 365 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:32,991 'cause I'd like to make more movies. 366 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:34,992 I'd like to get back to the theater. 367 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:37,004 I'd like to do, you know, things like that. 368 00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:40,996 You can say all that as much as you want to yourself, 369 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 but making it happen is another thing. 370 00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:46,002 So I had a few little things come along... 371 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,005 and a couple little movie opportunities, 372 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,007 but the world didn't open up for me, 373 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:53,009 in terms of movies and things like that. 374 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,012 And I don't know why that is. 375 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:58,024 I think part of the problem was, for me-- 376 00:16:58,017 --> 00:17:01,017 was that people had this perception that I could-- 377 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,020 I was a guy that could do anything, 378 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:07,032 and... that's not a specific perception, 379 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:10,026 and in this town I think a lot of times they wanna say, 380 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:12,029 "No, you're the guy that does that." 381 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:14,031 Oh, that's interesting. Here's the cubbyhole. Boom. 382 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:17,043 And I was like-- [ Stammers ] He sings. He dances. 383 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:18,036 He plays the piano. Can do anything. 384 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,037 - And he could be a lawyer. - Yeah. He can do anything. 385 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:24,039 But wh-what do we need for this particular thing? 386 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:27,053 So, I don't know if that-- I could be imagining that. 387 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:31,046 But I got-- I got back into television. 388 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:34,050 I did a guest-- a guest spot... 389 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:38,063 on Murphy Brown with Candice. 390 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:39,057 And-- [ Shatner ] Do we love Candice? 391 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,058 We love Candice. 392 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,060 - We love Candice. - That's, you know-- 393 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:44,062 She's the greatest. Yes, she is. 394 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:48,073 I saw the acting you were doing with her. But, uh-- 395 00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:51,067 So I did that off and on for a couple years. That was just kind of fun. 396 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:54,070 I wanted to see if-- Because people were saying let's do half hour again. 397 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:56,073 I'd done a bunch of half hour before I did Quantum Leap. 398 00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:59,075 Uh, so I just kind of knocked around, you know? 399 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:02,078 Were you-- Did you have a feeling of desperation? Was there any-- 400 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:06,081 No. You know what? I had a couple beautiful development deals, 401 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:09,085 when they were still doing those things, where I had a couple of-- 402 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:11,088 You produced a couple of movies during that. 403 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:13,090 [ Bakula ] I was producing and starring, 404 00:18:13,092 --> 00:18:16,092 and I was trying to find my way into having more control. 405 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,095 I guess that's probably what I was looking for-- 406 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:21,097 how to figure out how to be more in charge of my career. 407 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:24,100 You're now in this period. You're looking around. 408 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:28,113 Things are happening, but not the big thing. 409 00:18:28,107 --> 00:18:30,107 - Yeah. - I mean, you're a leading man. 410 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:33,109 Star Trek comes along-- another series. I got lucky. 411 00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:36,112 When I did Quantum Leap, I had a great relationship... 412 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:38,115 with Kerry McCluggage, Gary Hart... 413 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,117 at Universal Studios. 414 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,119 When they moved to Paramount, 415 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:47,132 I eventually landed at Paramount with them. 416 00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:48,126 I had a "deal"-- a production deal-- 417 00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:51,127 and we'd stayed friends, 418 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:54,130 so I was working for them, basically, 419 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:56,133 developing shows. 420 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:58,135 Did a couple movies of the week... 421 00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:00,137 and a couple things through them, with them. 422 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:03,139 I, ironically, had gone in with a friend of mine... 423 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:07,152 to pitch a new sci-fi show to them. 424 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:09,146 What-- Anything I might know? 425 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:11,148 No. It didn't happen. 426 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:13,150 No, but I mean, what was the source material? 427 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:15,152 Original. He had written it. 428 00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:16,154 It was a concept. 429 00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:18,155 And he wrote this great script, 430 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:20,157 and I went in and said, you know-- 431 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:24,159 I'd li-- I'm-- I'm willing to go back into the sci-fi arena, 432 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:26,163 because I think the script is so great. 433 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:31,165 They were sitting and listening and being very kind and wonderful, 434 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:32,170 and they said, "Here's the thing. [ Chuckles ] 435 00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:34,171 We're getting ready to do"-- 436 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,173 Already-- "Here's the thing." 437 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:38,175 As soon as you hear that, you know-- 438 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:40,177 - That's not gonna work. Right? - Right. 439 00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:42,179 And, you know, the way our business works, 440 00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:45,181 ideally, they always want to know what you're coming in to tell them. 441 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,194 And I hate that. It's like, how-- 442 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:50,186 As soon as you tell somebody "I'm gonna come and sell you something," 443 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:52,189 but you just give 'em a little bit, 444 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:54,191 then they start thinking too much. 445 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,193 You don't want 'em to-- You want to hit 'em fresh. 446 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:59,195 So they let me do that, and unfort-- 447 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:03,198 This was an unfortunate case, because when I told them this, they said, Here's the deal. 448 00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:07,212 We're getting ready to do another franchise of Star Trek, 449 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:10,206 and we want you to be the captain. 450 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:12,209 Okay, stop there. We're not gonna produce-- Okay. 451 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:14,211 But we're not gonna produce what you got-- 452 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:16,213 We're not gonna do another sci-fi space show... 453 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:19,215 because we're doing that, and we're not doing two. 454 00:20:19,218 --> 00:20:21,218 And we want you to be-- All right. I'm gonna say it. Okay. 455 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:25,220 And we want you to be the captain. Yes. 456 00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:26,224 Boom. What goes on? 457 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:29,225 My first thought? Not interested. 458 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:31,228 Why? Why? I-I'm McCluggage. 459 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:34,230 Why, Scott? It's a great franchise. 460 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:37,243 Well, then-- He doesn't say-- I don't say that. 461 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:39,236 You asked me what my first thought was. Yeah. 462 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,238 I'm in the room. I said, Wow. Wow-- 463 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,240 [ Stammers ] 464 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,242 And I'm-- So I'm acting. 465 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:47,254 I'm acting in the room. You know. 466 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,246 You're acting in the room. You're saying "Wow." 467 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:52,248 But what are you thinking? I'm feeling terrible for my friend, the writer, 468 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,251 who's in the room-- Oh. [ Laughs ] 469 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,253 who's watched his idea that he's written-- 470 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,255 [ Imitates Explosion ] go up in just like, you know, smoke. 471 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:01,257 That's bad. And he's a really good friend of mine. 472 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:04,260 We worked together for years-- Dave Fuller, a great writer. 473 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:07,273 And I'm thinking, okay, this is just-- 474 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:10,266 He's crushed. And he's done the pitch. 475 00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:13,269 And I'm thinking, well, okay, you've done a bunch of those, 476 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:16,272 and this idea is really great, 477 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:19,275 and it's open up a whole nother possibility. 478 00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:20,278 You're saying-- Oh, you're thinking. 479 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:22,279 No, I'm still being politic. 480 00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:27,291 Um, and-- So that's what's going on in my head. 481 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:30,286 I say, well, what are we talking about? 482 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:32,289 And I may have even said... 483 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:38,302 I'm not interested in, you know, the next captaincy. 484 00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:42,297 And they said, you're gonna be the first captain. 485 00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:43,301 And then I was done. 486 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:47,312 [ Laughing ] Then I was done. 487 00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,306 You're gonna be a hundred years before Kirk. 488 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:52,308 I said, I'm in. I didn't say that, but I was-- 489 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:56,311 In my head I was like, Then I can be the original. 490 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:58,315 Were you apprehensive about Shatner at all? 491 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:01,317 No. Because I'm a hundred years ahead of you. Right. 492 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,320 So I didn't have to-- It took the curse off of following you. 493 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:08,334 All of a sudden I didn't have to research Deep Space... 494 00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:11,327 and, you know, Voyager, and I could just-- 495 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:16,330 Oh. I can separate this out. I can be the first. That was the hook for me. 496 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:20,335 I know that he was the only one they wanted. 497 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:24,339 There were a couple other name actors who were kind of lobbying for the part that-- 498 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:28,353 that they didn't want, and it was kind of like Scott or nobody. 499 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:29,347 I loved Quantum Leap. 500 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:33,348 I think it's one of the great science fiction concepts of all time. 501 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:34,352 But there's just-- I just was-- 502 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:38,363 You know, I had, in my mind, that we'd get Tom Skerritt... 503 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,357 or some movie star type thing, 504 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,359 and I couldn't have been more wrong. 505 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,360 I knew the second he walked in the room and I met him... 506 00:22:44,363 --> 00:22:46,363 that he was the character we envisioned, 507 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:50,365 which was a inherently likable, very down-to-earth, 508 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,369 curious guy... 509 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:54,371 who you could very much imagine... 510 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:57,383 was doing this starship thing for the very first time. 511 00:22:57,376 --> 00:23:00,376 He was the character. 512 00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:05,381 [ Captain Archer ] When I took command 10 years ago, 513 00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:07,394 I saw myself as an explorer. 514 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:12,386 I thought all the risks would be worth it... 515 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:15,391 because just beyond the next planet, just beyond the next star, 516 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:21,404 there would be something magnificent, something noble. 517 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,400 I think Scott made people do their jobs better, 518 00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:26,402 from the acting to the crew, 519 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:30,405 and I think also having an environment where... 520 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:32,409 you're not worried about somebody being a prima donna... 521 00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:36,411 or pulling some stuff that, you know, is a little shifty. 522 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:39,415 You know, look. There's mikes here and there's lights, 523 00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:42,418 and if there was something that had to be moved at any given point in a scene, 524 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,421 Scott would be the first guy over there doing it, 525 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,423 to the point where they'd be like, Scott, can I do my job? 526 00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:49,425 You know? And he'd be like, you know, just helping out. 527 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,428 And I mean, that's just sort of the way the guy is. 528 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:55,431 [ Shatner ] So you don't think in terms of life and death? 529 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,444 No, I don't. I think about it in terms-- You know, for other people. 530 00:23:58,437 --> 00:24:01,437 But I think I'm so-- [ Stammers ] 531 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,440 The longer I'm here and the more I see, 532 00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:07,454 the less I think about that, 533 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:11,446 because so many people don't get as long as I've had. 534 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,450 So many people don't have as much as I have. 535 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:16,452 And so, I think, as you get older-- 536 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:18,455 You know, people always talk about perspective. 537 00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:20,457 I think you get more grateful about every day. 538 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:25,459 You know, you have grandkids. How great that you get to see your grandkids. 539 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:29,474 We were talking about Chelsea's dad Wil, 540 00:24:29,468 --> 00:24:34,468 and he passed about six weeks after our son was born. 541 00:24:34,473 --> 00:24:37,483 Really. You know? And we had named him after him. 542 00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:38,476 Did he get to see him? He did. 543 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:42,477 I feel very strongly that-- that this isn't it, 544 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:46,481 and this is just a little, tiny-- tiny, tiny moment. 545 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:48,485 Do you feel there's consciousness? That, uh-- 546 00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:50,487 Using Wil as an example, that Wil is conscious, 547 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:53,489 that he is, in essence, around you? 548 00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:56,492 - That he sees you? - Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. 549 00:24:56,495 --> 00:24:58,495 So that-- 550 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:00,497 that when you die, 551 00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:04,499 that the consciousness of sensation is still there? 552 00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:08,513 - Yes. - ke, I love Scott, says Wil, 553 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:12,507 and I will do my best to guide him. 554 00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:15,511 But what happens if you screw up? 555 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:19,524 Do you have to answer to him as well as, uh, whoever you screwed up against? 556 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:23,518 I don't-- I don't think that they're necessarily screw-ups. 557 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,522 I think that we've got-- you know, we've got things to do this time around. 558 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,525 No, but I mean, bad actions-- 559 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,527 What Bernie Madoff-- 560 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,529 [ Both Laugh ] 561 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:35,531 What is-- Who is Bernie Madoff answering to? 562 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,544 To Bernie Madoff. 563 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:40,536 - Do you think he feels badly? - I'm not saying he feels badly right now, 564 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:43,539 but his journey isn't done. 565 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:45,542 Are you talking about reincarnation? 566 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:47,554 The possibility of that, 567 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:51,546 and the next journey and the next layer and the next rung. 568 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:52,550 Or, uh, which way you go. 569 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:54,551 But that's not very Presbyterian. 570 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:57,563 No. No. Not hardly. 571 00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:59,556 [ Laughs ] Not hardly. So how did you evolve this? 572 00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:01,558 Um, well, I don't know-- 573 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,560 I'm a work in progress, 574 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,561 certainly spiritually, 575 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:07,574 but I've come a long way, 576 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:12,566 and my wife and partner, she's been a great influence... 577 00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:16,571 and given me a great opportunity to expand my somewhat limited experiences, 578 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,575 growing up where I did, 579 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:21,577 and I've been exposed to a lot of different methodologies... 580 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:24,580 and metaphysics and things like that. 581 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,583 Everybody has their own belief, 582 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:29,585 and, first of all, I'm a believer that everybody has to find their own thing, 583 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,588 wherever you are on this planet, 584 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:36,591 but I just feel that it's limiting to think that we're-- 585 00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:38,595 There's so much that we don't understand, 586 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:43,597 and yet there's so many ways that we experience things that we don't understand. 587 00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:45,602 We just touch on them, little touchstones here and there, 588 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,614 and the dream state and all those kinds of things-- déjà vu-- 589 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,607 all that stuff. 590 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:54,609 Um, I just think it's limiting to think that this is it. 591 00:26:56,615 --> 00:27:00,615 [ Shatner Narrating ] Scott's perspective and approach to life... 592 00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:03,619 seem to have led to a healthy balance of family and career-- 593 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:06,622 a balance not so common in Hollywood. 594 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:10,625 Scott remains a fixture in television, theater and film, 595 00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:15,629 with a rich and diverse career spanning over 30 years. 596 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:19,644 Who says nice guys finish last? 597 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:23,638 As a person, he's the most stand-up guy I've ever met. 598 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:27,652 I learned everything I know about how to behave on a set... 599 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:30,646 and how to treat everybody with respect. 600 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:31,649 People would take a bullet for him. 601 00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:34,650 He was just such a joy to work with. 602 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:39,663 Um, he made those four years truly rememberable and-- 603 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:42,658 and pleasant and fun. 604 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:46,661 And that cannot always be said about every TV show shot in Hollywood. 605 00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:50,665 [ Montgomery ] When I went out to L.A., I knew about the stories... 606 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:52,669 about the people and about how everybody... 607 00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:55,671 lets Hollywood affect them in different ways. 608 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:59,684 And of course I met those people, 609 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,678 and then I met somebody like Scott. 610 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,680 He is one of the most down-to-earth, genuine, humble, sincere people... 611 00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,685 that I've truly ever met. 612 00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:12,689 I can't believe you got on the phone and called me. 613 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:15,691 That's the best part of this. I wanted to talk to you. 614 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:19,704 Let's make sure that not too much time passes by before we see each other again. 615 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:21,698 I agree. I agree. Thank you. Thank you. 616 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,700 Be well. You too. 617 00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:37,723 He had done this Canada Dry Ginger Ale commercial... 618 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:39,716 back in the late '70s or something. 619 00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:43,718 And it was a real sort of John Travolta-esque, you know, stuff-- 620 00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:46,722 headband and leggings and the whole nine yards. 621 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:50,725 Somebody gets ahold of a copy of this commercial. 622 00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:53,729 They sent the P.A. over to his trailer to come get him... 623 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:55,732 to shoot the first day on the bridge. 624 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,744 And we all learned this little dance move. 625 00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:02,736 And in comes the captain, being all captain-like, and someone went, "Hit it!" 626 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:05,741 And on our bridge there must have been 35 plasma screens. 627 00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:09,754 On every screen on the bridge, up comes the Canada Dry guy. 628 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:11,748 We're doing our best to sing the song... 629 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:13,750 and do this Canada Dry Ginger Ale little ditty. 630 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:18,762 You've never seen a grown man go from naught to 60 puce red in two seconds. 631 00:29:23,644 --> 00:29:26,654 Closed-Captioned By Captions, Inc., Burbank, CA