1 00:00:07,490 --> 00:00:09,561 We are rapidly approaching the conclusion 2 00:00:09,664 --> 00:00:11,804 of "Better Call Saul," and I cannot wait to see 3 00:00:11,908 --> 00:00:13,910 what unfolds on next week's series finale, 4 00:00:14,014 --> 00:00:16,361 but, first, tonight's episode took us on a wild ride 5 00:00:16,464 --> 00:00:19,502 that was heartbreaking and hilarious and exhilarating. 6 00:00:19,605 --> 00:00:21,883 Not only did Kim survive the "Breaking Bad" era, 7 00:00:21,987 --> 00:00:23,989 but she made a new life in Florida, 8 00:00:24,093 --> 00:00:25,577 and she swapped arguing in court 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,545 for small talk about what makes mayonnaise mayonnaise. 10 00:00:28,649 --> 00:00:30,685 But after a surprise phone call from Gene, 11 00:00:30,789 --> 00:00:32,135 Kim decided to come clean, 12 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:34,724 try to make amends for her role in Howard's death. 13 00:00:34,827 --> 00:00:36,381 Meanwhile, Gene's brazen behavior 14 00:00:36,484 --> 00:00:37,761 seems to have caught up with him 15 00:00:37,865 --> 00:00:40,523 as Marion saw through his con and alerted the police. 16 00:00:40,626 --> 00:00:43,698 So what will Saul do now that his cover's been blown, 17 00:00:43,802 --> 00:00:46,149 what will be the fallout of Kim's confession, 18 00:00:46,253 --> 00:00:49,290 and what fate awaits Saul in next week's series finale? 19 00:00:49,394 --> 00:00:50,912 On tonight's show, we're gonna talk about all of it. 20 00:00:51,016 --> 00:00:52,293 We have interviews with the cast and producers, 21 00:00:52,397 --> 00:00:54,261 including ones with Giancarlo Esposito, 22 00:00:54,364 --> 00:00:56,435 Tony Dalton, and Carol Burnett. 23 00:00:56,539 --> 00:00:57,471 My guests are executive producers 24 00:00:57,574 --> 00:00:58,782 and creators of "Better Call Saul," 25 00:00:58,886 --> 00:01:00,267 Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould, 26 00:01:00,370 --> 00:01:04,616 the one and only Bob Odenkirk, AKA Jimmy, AKA Saul, AKA Gene, 27 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:06,894 and Kim Wexler herself, Rhea Seehorn. 28 00:01:06,997 --> 00:01:09,552 I'm Chris Hardwick, and this is "Talking Saul." 29 00:01:09,655 --> 00:01:11,519 [Cheers and applause] 30 00:01:11,623 --> 00:01:18,975 ♪ 31 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:20,563 [Cheers and applause continue] 32 00:01:20,666 --> 00:01:22,668 Welcome. 33 00:01:22,772 --> 00:01:23,876 Please say hello my guests. 34 00:01:23,980 --> 00:01:25,395 Vince Gilligan, Peter Gould -- Peter Gould, 35 00:01:25,499 --> 00:01:27,673 Bob Odenkirk, and Rhea Seehorn are here. 36 00:01:27,777 --> 00:01:30,055 [Applause] 37 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:35,164 First of all, congratulations on the Emmy noms this season. 38 00:01:35,267 --> 00:01:36,441 Very cool. Congratulations. 39 00:01:36,544 --> 00:01:39,099 Rhea, is this your first nomination? 40 00:01:39,202 --> 00:01:42,412 Um, it appears to be my first nomination, yes. 41 00:01:42,516 --> 00:01:44,449 [Chuckles] - Well, congratulations. 42 00:01:44,552 --> 00:01:45,691 Aww, thank you. 43 00:01:45,795 --> 00:01:47,383 Thank you very much. 44 00:01:47,486 --> 00:01:50,696 So, first of all, I was very relieved, 45 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,080 as were a lot of people, to see that Kim survived. 46 00:01:55,184 --> 00:01:57,220 Like, she made it through the "Breaking Bad" era. 47 00:01:57,324 --> 00:01:58,946 She's there. 48 00:01:59,049 --> 00:02:00,672 @FearofLivingOn on Twitter says, 49 00:02:00,775 --> 00:02:02,915 "Kim Wexler's still alive in 'Breaking Bad's' timeline. 50 00:02:03,019 --> 00:02:04,227 Oh, my God. Thank you." 51 00:02:04,331 --> 00:02:06,160 Uh, @PunisherBase on Twitter says, 52 00:02:06,264 --> 00:02:08,024 "Literally yelled, 'She's alive,' 53 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:11,959 like Marty at the end of 'Back to the Future II.'" 54 00:02:12,062 --> 00:02:13,926 Blair, uh, uh, on Twitter says, 55 00:02:14,030 --> 00:02:15,894 "Kim Wexler hanging out with Karens 56 00:02:15,997 --> 00:02:19,173 is the cruelest twist of the entire 'Breaking Bad' universe." 57 00:02:19,277 --> 00:02:20,657 [Laughter] 58 00:02:20,761 --> 00:02:23,108 And, "Rhea Seehorn in the house. Phenomenal actress. 59 00:02:23,212 --> 00:02:25,869 Love that you are back in 'Better Call Saul.'" 60 00:02:25,973 --> 00:02:27,423 What was your reaction 61 00:02:27,526 --> 00:02:32,635 to Kim being very much alive in Florida? 62 00:02:32,738 --> 00:02:34,775 Well, um, Peter had talked to me 63 00:02:34,878 --> 00:02:37,226 about the fact that I would come back. 64 00:02:37,329 --> 00:02:40,298 Because Peter and Vince have been very respectful of actors 65 00:02:40,401 --> 00:02:43,749 whenever they're gone forever and letting them know, 66 00:02:43,853 --> 00:02:47,615 so I knew I would come back in some capacity, and, um -- 67 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:49,376 but I didn't know what capacity. 68 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:52,102 So when I got this script, written by Vince 69 00:02:52,206 --> 00:02:55,105 and directed by Vince, uh, I was very surprised. 70 00:02:55,209 --> 00:02:56,935 I knew that I had some wig fittings 71 00:02:57,038 --> 00:03:00,490 [chuckles] and, um, um, I -- 72 00:03:00,594 --> 00:03:02,527 it was -- it was challenging, 73 00:03:02,630 --> 00:03:05,046 but then it was so beautiful to understand 74 00:03:05,150 --> 00:03:07,428 that she is a shell of a person and just kind of, like, 75 00:03:07,532 --> 00:03:13,538 living this life that, for me, was the answer to her saying, 76 00:03:13,641 --> 00:03:14,815 "I wanted more." 77 00:03:14,918 --> 00:03:16,437 When she, way back when, 78 00:03:16,541 --> 00:03:18,198 when she interviewed with Schweikart & -- 79 00:03:18,301 --> 00:03:21,615 uh, Schweikart & Cokely and said, "I just wanted more," 80 00:03:21,718 --> 00:03:24,928 and I think she thinks she flew too close to the sun, 81 00:03:25,032 --> 00:03:28,242 and now she's tamping it all down. 82 00:03:28,346 --> 00:03:30,382 It was sad. Sad. - But she was still Kim Wexler. 83 00:03:30,486 --> 00:03:33,834 She didn't -- she had a new job and a new appearance, 84 00:03:33,937 --> 00:03:37,424 but she still was Kim Wexler. 85 00:03:37,527 --> 00:03:39,253 She was, but you shouldn't see that 86 00:03:39,357 --> 00:03:41,462 till the birthday-party scene when she's singing. 87 00:03:41,566 --> 00:03:46,536 So one of the challenges that Vince and I had was, 88 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,815 should you see those cracks in the armor prior to that? 89 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,370 And we talked about it and then we talked to Peter about it 90 00:03:52,473 --> 00:03:55,649 as far as, like, how long has she been living this life? 91 00:03:55,752 --> 00:03:57,064 And we truly believed 92 00:03:57,167 --> 00:04:00,688 that she's gotten so used to the performance she's doing, 93 00:04:00,792 --> 00:04:02,138 it is sincere. 94 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:04,416 When she's, like, "Let's sign the kitty-cat card," 95 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,625 it's real for that moment 96 00:04:06,729 --> 00:04:10,215 and then you shouldn't see the cracks until Jimmy calls her. 97 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:14,771 Yeah, and when Gene, Jimmy, Saul calls her, 98 00:04:14,875 --> 00:04:18,396 uh, why is he so intense with her? 99 00:04:18,499 --> 00:04:20,605 'Cause she won't give him anything. 100 00:04:20,708 --> 00:04:23,193 He's -- he hasn't seen her in, I don't know how long, 101 00:04:23,297 --> 00:04:24,781 what is it, a year and a half, or...? 102 00:04:24,885 --> 00:04:26,335 Uh, I think it's been six years. 103 00:04:26,438 --> 00:04:27,197 - Yeah. - Oh, six years. 104 00:04:27,301 --> 00:04:28,233 Yeah. Yeah, it's been a while. 105 00:04:28,337 --> 00:04:29,165 Okay, well, that makes sense. 106 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,374 And, uh... [Laughter] 107 00:04:31,478 --> 00:04:33,411 I don't watch the show. 108 00:04:33,514 --> 00:04:35,447 [Laughter] But six years. 109 00:04:35,551 --> 00:04:37,760 But she won't give him anything. 110 00:04:37,863 --> 00:04:40,556 And, you know, I mean, it's just a phone call. 111 00:04:40,659 --> 00:04:42,868 Can't you say anything nice or anything at all? 112 00:04:42,972 --> 00:04:45,285 - Yeah. - You should [no audio] 113 00:04:45,388 --> 00:04:47,977 - He's a fugitive. - What do you mean? 114 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,081 - He's a fugitive. - He is a fugitive, too. 115 00:04:49,185 --> 00:04:50,359 What was the last time we were together? 116 00:04:50,462 --> 00:04:51,567 When you were signing -- signing the divorce papers. 117 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:52,671 - Oh, yeah. You know, come on. - Very dismissive. 118 00:04:52,775 --> 00:04:54,363 - Jerk. - He was totally 119 00:04:54,466 --> 00:04:57,366 compartmentalizing and putting on a show. 120 00:04:57,469 --> 00:05:00,955 Uh, um, but, yeah, that's why. 121 00:05:01,059 --> 00:05:04,027 Peter, what does Kim's ultimate confession 122 00:05:04,131 --> 00:05:06,547 and visit to Cheryl symbolize? 123 00:05:06,651 --> 00:05:08,135 I don't know that it symbolizes anything. 124 00:05:08,238 --> 00:05:09,309 I think she's -- she's -- 125 00:05:09,412 --> 00:05:11,207 this has been a burden she's been carrying. 126 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:13,865 She -- I think if she had her own -- 127 00:05:13,968 --> 00:05:16,592 had her way, she would've confessed right away. 128 00:05:16,695 --> 00:05:18,663 I think she would've left the apartment 129 00:05:18,766 --> 00:05:20,492 and instead of, uh, going to Florida, 130 00:05:20,596 --> 00:05:22,598 I think she would have gone to the police if she could have -- 131 00:05:22,701 --> 00:05:24,600 if she could have safely done that 132 00:05:24,703 --> 00:05:26,291 and not involved Jimmy 133 00:05:26,395 --> 00:05:29,984 and not involved Gus and Mike and -- and all that, 134 00:05:30,088 --> 00:05:32,228 so I think she's -- she's living under a cloud 135 00:05:32,332 --> 00:05:35,196 'cause she hasn't been able to tell the truth. 136 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:36,439 Yeah, but she calcul-- she -- 137 00:05:36,543 --> 00:05:39,615 she improvises this elegant lie to Cheryl... 138 00:05:39,718 --> 00:05:41,306 - Yes. - ...at the serv-- 139 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:43,964 at the, you know, the -- the gathering. 140 00:05:44,067 --> 00:05:48,313 Uh, and it's so, like, col-- it's just -- 141 00:05:48,417 --> 00:05:51,489 it's so cold and so precise... - Yes. 142 00:05:51,592 --> 00:05:55,596 ...that it's like, oh, my God, she's, like, out-Jimmying Jimmy 143 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:56,804 in this moment. 144 00:05:56,908 --> 00:05:58,944 But then, obviously, it all comes to a head, 145 00:05:59,048 --> 00:06:01,740 and she has this breakdown on the bus. 146 00:06:01,844 --> 00:06:05,330 What was that moment like for you and for her? 147 00:06:07,919 --> 00:06:11,474 Um... yeah, that memorial scene 148 00:06:11,578 --> 00:06:13,959 but also the scene where I go to her and confess, 149 00:06:14,063 --> 00:06:15,409 you're right, those are, uh -- 150 00:06:15,513 --> 00:06:17,584 and Vince and I and -- and Peter, we -- 151 00:06:17,687 --> 00:06:20,000 like, we really thought about how to calibrate that, 152 00:06:20,103 --> 00:06:22,796 because... 153 00:06:22,899 --> 00:06:26,282 I think that Kim does not think she deserves to be the one 154 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:29,458 who needs to feel -- anyone needs to feel sorry for her 155 00:06:29,561 --> 00:06:30,873 in that moment. 156 00:06:30,976 --> 00:06:34,014 So I do think that she suppresses. 157 00:06:34,117 --> 00:06:35,498 "I am here to do penance. 158 00:06:35,602 --> 00:06:39,226 I'm here to allow the victims to actually be the victims." 159 00:06:39,329 --> 00:06:43,403 And then, um, on the bus scene, 160 00:06:43,506 --> 00:06:45,922 and we were on a real tram, right, Vince, 161 00:06:46,026 --> 00:06:49,339 going around ABQ airport, and, uh... 162 00:06:49,443 --> 00:06:52,515 - [Chuckles] - ...they -- 163 00:06:52,619 --> 00:06:55,829 Vince told me and Peter told me, it's, um, 164 00:06:55,932 --> 00:06:58,487 this is not this episode's letting go, 165 00:06:58,590 --> 00:07:05,390 this is six -- six seasons, seven years of her letting go 166 00:07:05,494 --> 00:07:09,221 of, uh, what she's become, what she has done to herself. 167 00:07:09,325 --> 00:07:11,569 And, um, I understood that, and it -- 168 00:07:11,672 --> 00:07:13,674 [taps chest] it hurt in my chest. 169 00:07:13,778 --> 00:07:16,608 Mm, Vince, what do you remember about directing that scene? 170 00:07:16,712 --> 00:07:19,369 I just remember I was nervous about it all day. 171 00:07:19,473 --> 00:07:22,372 I didn't have any reason to be, because, you know, Rhea -- 172 00:07:22,476 --> 00:07:23,891 I knew she'd crush it. 173 00:07:23,995 --> 00:07:27,170 But it was just, you know, we put four cameras, 174 00:07:27,274 --> 00:07:29,069 uh, locked them down in the back of this bus. 175 00:07:29,172 --> 00:07:30,519 It's a real bus. 176 00:07:30,622 --> 00:07:33,936 If you go to Albuquerque now and, you know, rent a car there, 177 00:07:34,039 --> 00:07:35,282 flying into the airport, 178 00:07:35,385 --> 00:07:37,664 the odds of you riding this actual bus 179 00:07:37,767 --> 00:07:40,149 are probably pretty good, and, uh -- 180 00:07:40,252 --> 00:07:42,151 So you say that. Now a bunch of "Breaking Bad" fans 181 00:07:42,254 --> 00:07:44,256 and -- and "Better Call Saul" fans are gonna be, like, 182 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,190 "Why are our trams so full of people not flying anywhere?" 183 00:07:47,294 --> 00:07:48,571 I figure it's good for the city. 184 00:07:48,675 --> 00:07:49,779 Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. 185 00:07:49,883 --> 00:07:51,194 - Tourism dollars, you know? - Yeah, yeah. 186 00:07:51,298 --> 00:07:53,093 But it was, uh -- it was just -- 187 00:07:53,196 --> 00:07:56,648 and -- any my sweetie, Holly, is sitting next to Rhea. 188 00:07:56,752 --> 00:07:57,994 - Yeah. - Yes! 189 00:07:58,098 --> 00:07:59,513 Yep, Holly's in there. 190 00:07:59,617 --> 00:08:00,721 And, uh, it was just fun. 191 00:08:00,825 --> 00:08:01,998 We did two takes of it. 192 00:08:02,102 --> 00:08:04,656 I felt guilty, Rhea, making you do a second take 193 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,658 'cause you were perfect on the first one, 194 00:08:06,762 --> 00:08:08,660 but I'm just -- I'm -- you know, I'm neurotic. 195 00:08:08,764 --> 00:08:10,351 I got to have more than one take. 196 00:08:10,455 --> 00:08:11,698 But you just nailed it. 197 00:08:11,801 --> 00:08:13,354 I think we did use the second take, 198 00:08:13,458 --> 00:08:14,908 if that makes you feel better. - [Chuckles] 199 00:08:15,011 --> 00:08:17,220 But, uh, it was -- it was just, uh -- 200 00:08:17,324 --> 00:08:18,877 she just crushed it, and it was -- 201 00:08:18,981 --> 00:08:21,708 you know, it was just perfect two times, and -- 202 00:08:21,811 --> 00:08:24,434 and it was a lot of fun, but I was anxious. 203 00:08:24,538 --> 00:08:28,059 I think I was kind of anxious for Rhea leading up to it. 204 00:08:28,162 --> 00:08:29,716 Uh, well, we're gonna take a quick break. 205 00:08:29,819 --> 00:08:31,200 We have interviews with the cast and crew, 206 00:08:31,303 --> 00:08:32,822 including ones with Giancarlo Esposito, 207 00:08:32,926 --> 00:08:34,928 Tony Dalton, and Carol Burnett. 208 00:08:35,031 --> 00:08:36,930 Uh, we'll be right back on "Talking Saul." 209 00:08:37,033 --> 00:08:38,966 [Cheers and applause] 210 00:08:39,070 --> 00:08:44,420 ♪ 211 00:08:46,491 --> 00:08:54,119 ♪ 212 00:08:54,223 --> 00:08:57,329 Marion is the mother of the cab driver 213 00:08:57,433 --> 00:09:01,092 who identified Gene as Saul, 214 00:09:01,195 --> 00:09:06,753 and what happens is that she has really liked Gene a whole lot, 215 00:09:06,856 --> 00:09:10,722 and she finds out that he is, indeed, Saul Goodman 216 00:09:10,826 --> 00:09:15,658 and she's very upset and hurt and angry 217 00:09:15,762 --> 00:09:18,523 and he is very upset 218 00:09:18,627 --> 00:09:21,284 and he's also kind of threatening 219 00:09:21,388 --> 00:09:24,633 and she pulls out her Life Alert 220 00:09:24,736 --> 00:09:27,152 and she blows the whistle on him 221 00:09:27,256 --> 00:09:28,947 and he splits. 222 00:09:29,051 --> 00:09:30,984 It's really hard to be mad at each other, 223 00:09:31,087 --> 00:09:34,504 so we really have to pull out our acting chops, 224 00:09:34,608 --> 00:09:36,679 I have to say. [Chuckles] 225 00:09:36,783 --> 00:09:38,647 I'm gonna miss a lot of the group. 226 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:41,063 There's a lot of love in this group, 227 00:09:41,166 --> 00:09:44,169 and I know they've been together since "Breaking Bad," 228 00:09:44,273 --> 00:09:48,691 and this is a family, and you can feel it. 229 00:09:48,795 --> 00:09:51,729 And, as I said, there's a lot of love. 230 00:09:51,832 --> 00:09:52,695 [Cheers and applause] - Yeah. 231 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:54,628 Oh, my gosh. 232 00:09:54,732 --> 00:09:55,802 Welcome back to "Talking Saul." 233 00:09:55,905 --> 00:09:59,978 That was the legendary Carol Burnett join-- 234 00:10:00,082 --> 00:10:02,291 which, by the way, we're shooting in -- 235 00:10:02,394 --> 00:10:05,294 we're one floor above where they shot "The Carol Burnett Show." 236 00:10:05,397 --> 00:10:06,536 - Yeah. - So great. 237 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,537 The talent entrance to the building is called 238 00:10:07,641 --> 00:10:09,229 the Carol Burnett talent entrance, 239 00:10:09,332 --> 00:10:12,404 so this is, uh, legendary for a legend. 240 00:10:12,508 --> 00:10:14,717 Uh, @YaelML11 on Twitter says, 241 00:10:14,821 --> 00:10:17,133 "Carol Burnett was not on my 'Better Call Saul' bingo card. 242 00:10:17,237 --> 00:10:18,548 A total treat." - Ah. 243 00:10:18,652 --> 00:10:20,827 Mr. Jim Messina says, "There's nothing more wholesome 244 00:10:20,930 --> 00:10:22,311 than watching a legend, Carol Burnett, 245 00:10:22,414 --> 00:10:23,726 enjoying a kitten riding a Roomba 246 00:10:23,830 --> 00:10:25,314 and calling her a cutie patootie." 247 00:10:25,417 --> 00:10:27,178 - [Laughs] - @oybay on Twitter says, 248 00:10:27,281 --> 00:10:28,248 "Kudos to casting. 249 00:10:28,351 --> 00:10:30,630 Carol Burnett is a national treasure." 250 00:10:30,733 --> 00:10:34,254 Uh, and, uh, what was it like shooting the scene 251 00:10:34,357 --> 00:10:36,428 where you kind of threatened a national treasure, 252 00:10:36,532 --> 00:10:38,016 Carol Burnett, Bob Odenkirk? 253 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,190 Super fun. 254 00:10:39,293 --> 00:10:40,570 [Laughter] 255 00:10:40,674 --> 00:10:41,882 Oh, my God. 256 00:10:41,986 --> 00:10:43,056 That was the greatest. 257 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:44,989 I loved her so much. 258 00:10:45,092 --> 00:10:47,474 I mean, just as a person and her -- 259 00:10:47,577 --> 00:10:49,303 of course, her career and her show. 260 00:10:49,407 --> 00:10:53,653 But working with her was a joy, and she -- she's just so present 261 00:10:53,756 --> 00:10:58,347 and giving and sweet and, uh -- and a -- such a great actress. 262 00:10:58,450 --> 00:11:02,420 I mean, if you see that last scene where Saul is, 263 00:11:02,523 --> 00:11:03,973 you know, I don't know, gonna strangle her 264 00:11:04,077 --> 00:11:06,873 or something and then she -- 265 00:11:06,976 --> 00:11:08,322 her -- her -- 266 00:11:08,426 --> 00:11:11,325 the sweetness of her face and her hurt 267 00:11:11,429 --> 00:11:14,743 and her heart that hurts so much in that moment, 268 00:11:14,846 --> 00:11:17,815 melts his steely anger, 269 00:11:17,918 --> 00:11:23,027 and -- and he remembers that he's human again, briefly, 270 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:24,994 and can't do it, thank God. 271 00:11:25,098 --> 00:11:27,341 I couldn't actually do it. - No, I'm glad, yeah. 272 00:11:27,445 --> 00:11:28,688 I mean, which is to say, 273 00:11:28,791 --> 00:11:31,069 obviously, I couldn't actually do it, but I couldn't -- 274 00:11:31,173 --> 00:11:35,073 I wouldn't like if you had written that Saul kills her. 275 00:11:35,177 --> 00:11:36,557 - I was really -- - So close. 276 00:11:36,661 --> 00:11:39,353 But he gets close, which is crazy. 277 00:11:39,457 --> 00:11:41,528 But you know what's great about that? 278 00:11:41,631 --> 00:11:44,911 It's the furthest length that he's gone. 279 00:11:45,014 --> 00:11:46,671 - Mm-hmm. - It's great that he -- 280 00:11:46,775 --> 00:11:50,571 he really is doing this whole scam 281 00:11:50,675 --> 00:11:53,195 just to burn up his life. 282 00:11:53,298 --> 00:11:55,887 He's trying to destroy himself. 283 00:11:55,991 --> 00:11:58,407 I'm glad you said that, because I was trying to figure out, 284 00:11:58,510 --> 00:12:00,133 like, what is his angle at this point? 285 00:12:00,236 --> 00:12:02,583 And also I -- from so many times throughout the season. 286 00:12:02,687 --> 00:12:04,585 It's like the movie "Leaving Las Vegas." 287 00:12:04,689 --> 00:12:06,070 Yeah, where he's just like, "I'm gonna go --" 288 00:12:06,173 --> 00:12:09,142 "I'm gonna do these scams until you catch me 289 00:12:09,245 --> 00:12:11,075 and I go down or something. 290 00:12:11,178 --> 00:12:12,732 I'm just gonna burn this down," 291 00:12:12,835 --> 00:12:15,976 because he's not enjoying the Cinnabon job... 292 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,633 [Laughter] 293 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:20,601 ...and he's not enjoying being hidden away. 294 00:12:20,705 --> 00:12:22,224 And as hard as it is, 295 00:12:22,327 --> 00:12:24,778 Rhea's talking about Kim struggling 296 00:12:24,882 --> 00:12:28,126 and her six years of suffering, as this char-- 297 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:30,750 this other version of herself in Florida, 298 00:12:30,853 --> 00:12:33,131 well, it's even worse, I would say, for Jimmy 299 00:12:33,235 --> 00:12:39,344 to -- to be utterly mute, as his effusive character is, 300 00:12:39,448 --> 00:12:41,001 can't -- he can't handle it. 301 00:12:41,105 --> 00:12:43,107 He's having, like, a heart attack 302 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:44,902 or something in that -- in the Cinnabon 303 00:12:45,005 --> 00:12:46,593 when he has a brain -- - Yeah. 304 00:12:46,696 --> 00:12:48,698 What does he have there, a stroke? 305 00:12:48,802 --> 00:12:50,493 Well, just, like, a panic attack. 306 00:12:50,597 --> 00:12:53,117 A panic attack that takes him down, sends him to the hospital. 307 00:12:53,220 --> 00:12:54,532 'Cause there -- there are points throughout this 308 00:12:54,635 --> 00:12:57,086 where you're like, "Okay, I feel like your character, 309 00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:58,847 okay, maybe he's gonna have a redemption arc," 310 00:12:58,950 --> 00:13:01,470 and then you see, like Kim's character has a redemption arc 311 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:02,851 where she comes clean. - Mm-hmm. 312 00:13:02,954 --> 00:13:04,611 And then, uh, you know, two things. 313 00:13:04,714 --> 00:13:07,062 You almost killed that poor guy on the stairs 314 00:13:07,165 --> 00:13:08,822 and then you approach Carol Burnett, and I'm like -- 315 00:13:08,926 --> 00:13:10,617 Yeah, but you wanted to see me kill him. 316 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,137 [Laughter] That's different. 317 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,310 No, I didn't want to see him kill anybody 318 00:13:14,414 --> 00:13:15,933 because I feel like, you know, 319 00:13:16,036 --> 00:13:17,244 by the end of the episode last night, I'm like, 320 00:13:17,348 --> 00:13:18,867 "Oh, I don't know if that redemption arc is coming." 321 00:13:18,970 --> 00:13:22,077 Like, so -- like, the idea of, like, what's going to happen 322 00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:23,975 in the final episode where it ends 323 00:13:24,079 --> 00:13:26,288 with you almost killing Carol Burnett? 324 00:13:26,391 --> 00:13:28,497 Like, I-I can't imagine. 325 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,533 Like, is it possible for this character 326 00:13:30,637 --> 00:13:32,535 to be redeemed at this point? - Well, he's -- 327 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:33,916 I don't want to spoiler alert, 328 00:13:34,020 --> 00:13:36,608 but he does try to jump Snake River Canyon. 329 00:13:36,712 --> 00:13:39,266 [Laughter] 330 00:13:39,370 --> 00:13:41,475 But, other than that, nothing to see. 331 00:13:41,579 --> 00:13:42,856 Greer Jay on Facebook says, 332 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,722 "Vince, how did you get Carol Burnett on the show?" 333 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:49,311 Well, I tell you, that's a -- I'll try to make it quick. 334 00:13:49,414 --> 00:13:52,279 This is a real Hollywood story, uh, the way we met, 335 00:13:52,383 --> 00:13:55,282 but we've known each other now for six or seven years. 336 00:13:55,386 --> 00:13:57,975 We met in the most Hollywood of ways. 337 00:13:58,078 --> 00:14:01,564 We -- We both have a favorite limo driver. 338 00:14:01,668 --> 00:14:02,980 [Laughter] 339 00:14:03,083 --> 00:14:05,258 A guy named Jason, who is awesome. 340 00:14:05,361 --> 00:14:07,743 And, you know, we'd get, uh, you know -- 341 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,676 I don't travel this way every day, I promise, 342 00:14:09,779 --> 00:14:11,505 but every now and then, if you get to go to the Emmys 343 00:14:11,609 --> 00:14:13,749 or whatnot, if you're lucky enough to get to go, 344 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:17,580 the studio sends you, and Jason, our driver, would say, uh, 345 00:14:17,684 --> 00:14:21,101 "Hey, uh, you know, my friend Carol's a real big fan of yours. 346 00:14:21,205 --> 00:14:23,103 She loves 'Breaking -- 'Breaking Bad.'" 347 00:14:23,207 --> 00:14:24,553 This was back in the "Breaking Bad" days. 348 00:14:24,656 --> 00:14:26,969 And I said, "Great. Carol who?" "Who? Carol Burnett." 349 00:14:27,073 --> 00:14:28,246 I was like, "What?" 350 00:14:28,350 --> 00:14:30,179 And we -- - [Laughs] 351 00:14:30,283 --> 00:14:33,424 He -- Jason was our, uh, intermediary. 352 00:14:33,527 --> 00:14:36,910 We met-cute through -- through Jason, our driver. 353 00:14:37,014 --> 00:14:38,532 And, uh, like, one day, we'd be -- 354 00:14:38,636 --> 00:14:40,396 Holly and I'd be in the car and we'd get a -- 355 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:42,433 a box set of "The Carol Burnett Show," which... 356 00:14:42,536 --> 00:14:44,124 - Oh, my God. - ...we've seen them all anyway, 357 00:14:44,228 --> 00:14:45,781 but, like, it was a gift from her. 358 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:48,163 And then -- and then I got her a barrel set, 359 00:14:48,266 --> 00:14:50,096 which I gave to her through Jason. 360 00:14:50,199 --> 00:14:52,374 Finally, one day I get in the car and Jason says, 361 00:14:52,477 --> 00:14:54,548 "Carol just says, you know -- uh, just -- 362 00:14:54,652 --> 00:14:56,861 let's cut out the middleman, and let's -- 363 00:14:56,965 --> 00:14:58,000 she suggests that you -- 364 00:14:58,104 --> 00:14:59,864 you guys all have, uh, dinner together." 365 00:14:59,968 --> 00:15:01,624 - Oh, my gosh. - So that's -- that's how we met. 366 00:15:01,728 --> 00:15:02,867 And then you -- now it's sort of become 367 00:15:02,971 --> 00:15:04,248 like you send her a note, like, 368 00:15:04,351 --> 00:15:06,250 "Carol Burnett, do you like me? Check 'yes' or 'no.'" 369 00:15:06,353 --> 00:15:09,046 By the way, no one would judge you 370 00:15:09,149 --> 00:15:10,323 if you rode limos all the time. 371 00:15:10,426 --> 00:15:11,945 You've cre-- you've created and co-created 372 00:15:12,049 --> 00:15:14,534 some of the best television shows on the planet. 373 00:15:14,637 --> 00:15:16,812 [Cheers and applause] If you -- if you -- 374 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:19,401 if I saw you -- 375 00:15:19,504 --> 00:15:21,127 Vince Gilligan, if I saw you, like, 376 00:15:21,230 --> 00:15:24,854 riding a tiger on top of a limo that was also a jet, 377 00:15:24,958 --> 00:15:27,409 I'd be like, "That totally is fine with me." 378 00:15:27,512 --> 00:15:29,445 But you're you're the nicest in the world. 379 00:15:29,549 --> 00:15:33,346 - Yeah, alright. - I wouldn't worry about it. 380 00:15:33,449 --> 00:15:36,383 Bob, I want to talk about the scene where, uh, Gene -- 381 00:15:36,487 --> 00:15:39,214 where he trains Jeff how to rob the store. 382 00:15:39,317 --> 00:15:40,767 Like, when we finally see 383 00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:42,803 the present present in black and white. 384 00:15:42,907 --> 00:15:45,496 Oh, you're talking about, like -- what episode is that? 385 00:15:45,599 --> 00:15:47,739 - 611. - Episode 10. 386 00:15:47,843 --> 00:15:50,121 Out in the snow. - In the snowy wonderland, 387 00:15:50,225 --> 00:15:51,467 uh, running around? - Yes, yes. 388 00:15:51,571 --> 00:15:54,505 Aw, that was so fun, man. It was so fun, 389 00:15:54,608 --> 00:15:56,610 'cause he's torturing this guy. 390 00:15:56,714 --> 00:15:58,509 "Go! Faster!" 391 00:15:58,612 --> 00:16:00,960 And, uh -- and he's enjoying it. 392 00:16:01,063 --> 00:16:02,996 And he's just -- this guy who's had 393 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:04,929 something over on him... - Yes. 394 00:16:05,033 --> 00:16:09,106 ...this guy who's gonna give him away and destroy everything, 395 00:16:09,209 --> 00:16:11,729 and he's now got the -- he's got him under his thumb, 396 00:16:11,832 --> 00:16:16,078 and he's gonna, you know, drive him crazy, try to. 397 00:16:16,182 --> 00:16:18,184 And, uh, it was -- it was a lot of fun. 398 00:16:18,287 --> 00:16:20,393 And shout-out to Pat Healy, who plays the character. 399 00:16:20,496 --> 00:16:21,946 - Pat Healy plays it great. - Yeah. 400 00:16:22,050 --> 00:16:24,707 - Yep. - And, uh, we -- we are friends. 401 00:16:24,811 --> 00:16:26,088 We were on "The Post" together, the -- 402 00:16:26,192 --> 00:16:27,745 the movie "The Post"... - Oh, yeah. 403 00:16:27,848 --> 00:16:28,988 ...and got to know each other there. 404 00:16:29,091 --> 00:16:32,267 And this was really fun to work with him again. 405 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:35,615 Um, I think another big question, Rhea, uh, 406 00:16:35,718 --> 00:16:37,513 difference between Miracle Whip and mayonnaise? 407 00:16:37,617 --> 00:16:41,138 It was a big debate in the -- in this last episode. 408 00:16:41,241 --> 00:16:44,417 So, I'm here in New Hampshire with my family, 409 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,077 and I have Richmond and Baltimore family, 410 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:51,596 so -- and trust me -- [Laughter] 411 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:52,908 This just happens to be in the house, 412 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:54,461 I can see because it's half-empty. 413 00:16:54,565 --> 00:16:56,774 [Laughter] - Yeah. Duke's Mayonnaise. 414 00:16:56,877 --> 00:16:58,638 Exactly. 415 00:16:58,741 --> 00:16:59,811 They wanted me to show you that. 416 00:16:59,915 --> 00:17:04,506 Um, I think Miracle Whip is too sweet. 417 00:17:04,609 --> 00:17:05,955 I don't do Miracle Whip. 418 00:17:06,059 --> 00:17:10,857 Um, but Vince and I had a good discussion on that day of, like, 419 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,239 "Would you think this would work in a -- in a recipe?" 420 00:17:13,342 --> 00:17:15,103 And the fact is, it is sweet. 421 00:17:15,206 --> 00:17:17,829 If you had a recipe that wanted mayonnaise 422 00:17:17,933 --> 00:17:21,247 and you had relatives in Virginia or Maryland 423 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:24,836 that wanted Duke's, it would actually be a -- a conundrum. 424 00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:27,080 You'd have to give some thought to it. 425 00:17:27,184 --> 00:17:29,013 And you -- you know how dumb we are, by the way? 426 00:17:29,117 --> 00:17:30,808 We didn't get paid for any of this product placement. 427 00:17:30,911 --> 00:17:33,017 Oh, come on. [Laughter] 428 00:17:33,121 --> 00:17:34,881 - It's like... - [Chuckles] 429 00:17:34,984 --> 00:17:36,641 I'm -- I'm watching the show, going, 430 00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:39,230 "Duke's mayonnaise must be the -- like, Cinnabon must've 431 00:17:39,334 --> 00:17:41,163 backed a truck of money up to," you know. 432 00:17:41,267 --> 00:17:42,716 - Oddly, no. - No, no. 433 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:44,166 Works great. Uh -- 434 00:17:44,270 --> 00:17:47,549 Wait, Vince, Vince, do you wish we got free mayonnaise? 435 00:17:47,652 --> 00:17:49,378 [Laughter] 436 00:17:49,482 --> 00:17:51,794 You're gonna get it now. You're gonna get it, 437 00:17:51,898 --> 00:17:53,417 and Carol Burnett's gonna send it to you 438 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,316 is how it's gonna work out. - My heart's desire, yeah. 439 00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:58,594 When we come back, we have more interviews with the cast, 440 00:17:58,698 --> 00:18:00,907 including ones with Giancarlo Esposito and Tony Dalton. 441 00:18:01,010 --> 00:18:02,771 We'll be right back on "Talking Saul." 442 00:18:02,874 --> 00:18:04,773 [Cheers and applause] 443 00:18:04,876 --> 00:18:10,710 ♪ 444 00:18:12,608 --> 00:18:19,581 ♪ 445 00:18:19,684 --> 00:18:23,102 Walt and Jesse were certainly at the center of "Breaking Bad," 446 00:18:23,205 --> 00:18:26,208 and Bryan and Aaron are just two people 447 00:18:26,312 --> 00:18:29,660 that are exceptionally special human beings 448 00:18:29,763 --> 00:18:31,489 and have always been generous 449 00:18:31,593 --> 00:18:34,734 about being willing to step back into our world, 450 00:18:34,837 --> 00:18:37,219 which is an unbelievable privilege 451 00:18:37,323 --> 00:18:39,359 to have those actors willing to do that. 452 00:18:39,463 --> 00:18:43,467 For Vince and Peter, the, you know, big question was, 453 00:18:43,570 --> 00:18:45,262 when and how do you use them? 454 00:18:45,365 --> 00:18:49,197 And I think restraint was very much, like, a -- 455 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:50,853 you know, an element in that, 456 00:18:50,957 --> 00:18:54,202 because if you go too far too fast, 457 00:18:54,305 --> 00:18:56,376 then you're -- you're shifting the focus in a way 458 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,207 that really doesn't service the story 459 00:18:59,310 --> 00:19:01,554 that we've been telling with, uh, "Better Call Saul." 460 00:19:01,657 --> 00:19:04,729 Seeing Walt and Jesse does give you context 461 00:19:04,833 --> 00:19:07,939 for Jimmy's arc into Saul. 462 00:19:08,043 --> 00:19:11,184 Like, you're reminded of who Saul was 463 00:19:11,288 --> 00:19:14,946 and you're reminded of how far we've come in the story, 464 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:17,017 and I think that's really important. 465 00:19:17,121 --> 00:19:19,951 Walt and Jesse becomes a measuring stick of sorts 466 00:19:20,055 --> 00:19:23,679 in terms of the growth or lack thereof. 467 00:19:23,783 --> 00:19:26,061 Having Bryan and Aaron on set, it was definitely, 468 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:27,649 again, a marker of, like, 469 00:19:27,752 --> 00:19:31,963 "Oh, it really is the end. The show is going to finish." 470 00:19:32,067 --> 00:19:33,551 It was a sign of that. 471 00:19:33,655 --> 00:19:36,796 Having those guys around is just a celebration. 472 00:19:36,899 --> 00:19:39,902 Like, they're just so joyful, 473 00:19:40,006 --> 00:19:43,182 and having them on set was just fun. 474 00:19:43,285 --> 00:19:44,907 ♪ 475 00:19:45,011 --> 00:19:47,047 [Cheers and applause] 476 00:19:47,151 --> 00:19:48,497 Welcome back to "Talking Saul." 477 00:19:48,601 --> 00:19:51,673 That was executive producer Melissa Bernstein on welcoming 478 00:19:51,776 --> 00:19:53,295 Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul back to set 479 00:19:53,399 --> 00:19:55,090 to reprise their roles of Walt and Jesse. 480 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,679 We're back with Vince, Peter, Bob, and Rhea. 481 00:19:57,782 --> 00:19:59,474 The Walt and Jesse Reactions -- 482 00:19:59,577 --> 00:20:02,649 @Track8LFC on Twitter says, "I literally got goose bumps 483 00:20:02,753 --> 00:20:05,859 seeing Jesse and Walt on 'Better Call Saul.' 484 00:20:05,963 --> 00:20:07,275 Adamo Giancola says, 485 00:20:07,378 --> 00:20:10,139 "Walt and Jesse's return was absolutely glorious." 486 00:20:10,243 --> 00:20:14,834 And so I guess, you know, it's interesting to see, 487 00:20:14,937 --> 00:20:17,733 as we revisit this, Saul's first scene 488 00:20:17,837 --> 00:20:21,150 in "Breaking Bad" with, uh, Bryan and Aaron. 489 00:20:21,254 --> 00:20:24,153 Now that we have all this other information, 490 00:20:24,257 --> 00:20:26,673 it just gives it a lot more weight. 491 00:20:26,777 --> 00:20:28,330 Yeah, I mean, it was amazing to be 492 00:20:28,434 --> 00:20:33,197 in that Winnebago with them, and, uh... 493 00:20:33,301 --> 00:20:35,717 it was just fun to -- to do that, and -- 494 00:20:35,820 --> 00:20:39,030 but, uh, I coul-- I couldn't believe they were there 495 00:20:39,134 --> 00:20:40,342 and we were doing it. 496 00:20:40,446 --> 00:20:41,964 It was something. - It's interesting. 497 00:20:42,068 --> 00:20:45,347 Peter, is, like, bringing back Walt and Jesse now -- 498 00:20:45,451 --> 00:20:48,488 it almost kind of feels like we're able 499 00:20:48,592 --> 00:20:51,457 to kind of, um, retcon a little bit, and it's like, 500 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,149 there's more of Saul in the picture than you realize... 501 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:55,806 - Yeah. - ...with "Breaking Bad." 502 00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:59,085 He might've been a little more, uh, 503 00:20:59,188 --> 00:21:01,570 kind of commanding this, uh, scenario 504 00:21:01,674 --> 00:21:03,745 than we originally realized. - Yeah, we're see-- 505 00:21:03,848 --> 00:21:04,884 you know, we're seeing the show from 506 00:21:04,987 --> 00:21:05,885 a whole different point of view. 507 00:21:05,988 --> 00:21:07,749 Shooting that, by the way, 508 00:21:07,852 --> 00:21:10,407 was so weird coming back all these years later. 509 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:13,064 And there was a sandstorm when we shot the first -- 510 00:21:13,168 --> 00:21:14,928 the first version of it on "Breaking Bad," 511 00:21:15,032 --> 00:21:17,241 and then no sandstorm on the second version. 512 00:21:17,345 --> 00:21:18,967 Yeah but you couldn't see the damn sand. 513 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:21,003 Yeah, but it was going right up your nose. 514 00:21:21,107 --> 00:21:22,936 I remember that. - Yeah, we were suffering it... 515 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,144 - Yes. - ...but then I can't wait 516 00:21:24,248 --> 00:21:26,561 to watch it on screen and have the audience go, 517 00:21:26,664 --> 00:21:28,735 "These guys are such heroes." - Yes. Yes. 518 00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:31,704 "They survived the sand." And they can't see the sand. 519 00:21:31,807 --> 00:21:34,258 You can't see the sand. You can't see the sand. 520 00:21:34,362 --> 00:21:35,708 You got to put the sand on the screen. 521 00:21:35,811 --> 00:21:37,019 And it was cold, too. 522 00:21:37,123 --> 00:21:38,297 Anyway, but having said all that, 523 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,436 you know, it's just -- it was -- 524 00:21:39,539 --> 00:21:41,472 we thought it would be really fascinating 525 00:21:41,576 --> 00:21:43,267 to see the story of "Breaking Bad" 526 00:21:43,371 --> 00:21:45,856 from this other point of view, to see that maybe -- 527 00:21:45,959 --> 00:21:49,480 maybe "Breaking Bad" in some ways was Walt and Jesse's story, 528 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:52,138 but this is Saul, or Jimmy's, story, 529 00:21:52,241 --> 00:21:54,313 and now we see -- see what they meant to him, 530 00:21:54,416 --> 00:21:56,901 and -- and, yeah, it's -- you know, you got to wonder, uh, 531 00:21:57,005 --> 00:21:58,489 if Walt and Jesse hadn't -- 532 00:21:58,593 --> 00:22:01,181 if Walt hadn't walked into that office, uh, 533 00:22:01,285 --> 00:22:02,631 the story of "Breaking Bad" would be, 534 00:22:02,735 --> 00:22:04,046 I think, pretty different. - Yeah. 535 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:05,358 - Well, also -- - I think that -- that -- 536 00:22:05,462 --> 00:22:07,602 I'm sorry. I just -- that moment where he realizes 537 00:22:07,705 --> 00:22:09,086 they cooked the blue stuff. - Yes. 538 00:22:09,189 --> 00:22:11,744 And that's his -- that's what he's been waiting for. 539 00:22:11,847 --> 00:22:14,988 He's been waiting for somebody like that to walk into his life. 540 00:22:15,092 --> 00:22:17,819 And that's why he suspected that could happen, 541 00:22:17,922 --> 00:22:19,648 and here they are. It's amazing. 542 00:22:19,752 --> 00:22:22,271 So he learned nothing from dealing with Lalo. 543 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:23,480 Nothing at all. [Laughter] 544 00:22:23,583 --> 00:22:24,860 Uh, no, he did. 545 00:22:24,964 --> 00:22:28,381 I think that he sees Walt as, like, 546 00:22:28,485 --> 00:22:31,902 this guy will -- is not an off-the-rails guy. 547 00:22:32,005 --> 00:22:33,559 - Yes. - This guy has a life. 548 00:22:33,662 --> 00:22:38,218 He has a wife and kids, and he's a teacher, right? 549 00:22:38,322 --> 00:22:40,704 And so this is the -- the difference is, like, 550 00:22:40,807 --> 00:22:43,154 "What if I could get a mastermind criminal 551 00:22:43,258 --> 00:22:46,192 who's not out of his mind?" [Laughter] 552 00:22:46,295 --> 00:22:48,850 "Well, I think I got him standing in front of me." 553 00:22:48,953 --> 00:22:50,403 "I'm gonna try this terrible thing again, 554 00:22:50,507 --> 00:22:52,060 except this time I'm gonna get it right." 555 00:22:52,163 --> 00:22:53,130 - Yeah, sure. - Okay, there we go. 556 00:22:53,233 --> 00:22:54,303 And he almost does. 557 00:22:54,407 --> 00:22:56,064 Uh, Rhea, you know, uh, 558 00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:58,618 one of the big questions for Kim was, like, 559 00:22:58,722 --> 00:23:00,102 you know, seeing Kim throughout this whole series 560 00:23:00,206 --> 00:23:01,414 in the back of your head going, 561 00:23:01,518 --> 00:23:04,831 "She's not in 'Breaking Bad,' so is she okay?" 562 00:23:04,935 --> 00:23:07,869 And then seeing that scene with Kim and Jesse, 563 00:23:07,972 --> 00:23:10,458 can you talk about -- about that connection? 564 00:23:12,598 --> 00:23:14,910 Yeah, well, so it was -- 565 00:23:15,014 --> 00:23:19,363 so I've met, um, Aaron and, uh, Bryan 566 00:23:19,467 --> 00:23:21,089 because they come to our premieres all the time, 567 00:23:21,192 --> 00:23:22,539 and they are as lovely 568 00:23:22,642 --> 00:23:25,369 as you would want your hero actors to be. 569 00:23:25,473 --> 00:23:27,716 They are wonderful, wonderful people 570 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:30,650 and thrilled to come back and help us tell our story. 571 00:23:30,754 --> 00:23:34,792 They watch "Better Call Saul," and, um, Aaron was lovely. 572 00:23:34,896 --> 00:23:37,864 I was a little nervous to work with him, um, 573 00:23:37,968 --> 00:23:39,141 because I'm a big fan, 574 00:23:39,245 --> 00:23:41,040 and he's a big fan of Kim Wexler. 575 00:23:41,143 --> 00:23:42,973 and so he was -- he was so sweet to me. 576 00:23:43,076 --> 00:23:46,528 And then we really enjoyed the fact that that scene 577 00:23:46,632 --> 00:23:51,153 that he and I have where I'm smoking out there is that -- 578 00:23:51,257 --> 00:23:55,261 my character is at the end of the arc 579 00:23:55,364 --> 00:23:57,574 of realizing what going down a rabbit hole 580 00:23:57,677 --> 00:24:01,578 can do to your conscience and her erosion of her conscience. 581 00:24:01,681 --> 00:24:04,822 She's gone all the way through. He's beginning it. 582 00:24:04,926 --> 00:24:07,135 This is even pre-"Breaking Bad," 583 00:24:07,238 --> 00:24:10,794 so we really loved that idea of, like, 584 00:24:10,897 --> 00:24:13,866 if -- if they could tell each other what they've lear-- 585 00:24:13,969 --> 00:24:18,008 if she could tell him what she's learned, 586 00:24:18,111 --> 00:24:21,011 would he -- would he change what he's doing? 587 00:24:21,114 --> 00:24:23,496 I don't know. And instead, it's -- 588 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,532 it's just these two people, 589 00:24:24,635 --> 00:24:26,361 like, missing each other in the moment. 590 00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:29,744 And -- And she's also coming from what she had inside 591 00:24:29,847 --> 00:24:33,886 and signing divorce papers and that terrible scene 592 00:24:33,989 --> 00:24:40,306 that killed me with Saul and him wanting to know, 593 00:24:40,409 --> 00:24:41,618 like, is he a good lawyer? 594 00:24:41,721 --> 00:24:43,620 And I loved that moment of her 595 00:24:43,723 --> 00:24:46,277 just answering that, "He was when I knew him." 596 00:24:46,381 --> 00:24:50,178 Vince and Peter, what did it mean that Mike goes 597 00:24:50,281 --> 00:24:53,699 and has a conversation with, uh, Nacho's dad 598 00:24:53,802 --> 00:24:55,839 and says, "Here's what happened." 599 00:24:55,942 --> 00:24:58,289 - Boy. - Yeah, you should take that one. 600 00:24:58,393 --> 00:25:01,948 Oh, I'll just -- I think Mike identifies with Nacho's dad. 601 00:25:02,052 --> 00:25:03,881 Mike lost a son, 602 00:25:03,985 --> 00:25:06,435 uh, Nacho's dad lost a son, 603 00:25:06,539 --> 00:25:10,232 and Mike thinks, uh, that they're alike in some way. 604 00:25:10,336 --> 00:25:14,340 And he goes and has this, uh, heartrending scene, 605 00:25:14,443 --> 00:25:16,549 and he finds out, no, they don't. 606 00:25:16,653 --> 00:25:21,071 He said he thinks that maybe telling the dad that, uh -- 607 00:25:21,174 --> 00:25:23,245 that there was revenge, 608 00:25:23,349 --> 00:25:25,178 that revenge is coming is gonna make -- 609 00:25:25,282 --> 00:25:27,767 is somehow gonna make Dad feel not better, 610 00:25:27,871 --> 00:25:33,152 not gonna heal him, but is gonna keep that rage, uh, 611 00:25:33,255 --> 00:25:37,397 keep -- keep that rage and, uh -- and help him to go on, 612 00:25:37,501 --> 00:25:41,194 and, in fact, boy, you know, I think -- I think Nacho's dad 613 00:25:41,298 --> 00:25:42,782 puts Mike in his place. - He does. 614 00:25:42,886 --> 00:25:43,611 - He really does. - Puts him -- 615 00:25:43,714 --> 00:25:44,577 puts him on his back -- 616 00:25:44,681 --> 00:25:45,889 back on his heels, doesn't he? 617 00:25:45,992 --> 00:25:48,339 He just, uh -- you know, you don't -- 618 00:25:48,443 --> 00:25:50,894 Mike is always the guy that gets the last word, 619 00:25:50,997 --> 00:25:52,205 he's the guy in control, 620 00:25:52,309 --> 00:25:56,071 and this guy makes him look kind of sad and small, 621 00:25:56,175 --> 00:25:57,038 diminishes them. - Yeah. 622 00:25:57,141 --> 00:25:58,349 Yeah, you don't see that everyday. 623 00:25:58,453 --> 00:25:59,799 Especia-- yeah, because he's basically saying 624 00:25:59,903 --> 00:26:01,939 it's like it's never gonna end for you. 625 00:26:02,043 --> 00:26:03,354 - Yes. - There's no end. 626 00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:04,666 There's no amount of revenge. 627 00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:06,254 It's always revenge upon revenge 628 00:26:06,357 --> 00:26:07,807 upon revenge upon revenge. - That's right. 629 00:26:07,911 --> 00:26:09,050 Yeah, and it's pointless. 630 00:26:09,153 --> 00:26:10,465 - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. 631 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:11,984 Well, uh, before we go to break, I want to remind you 632 00:26:12,087 --> 00:26:14,538 to make sure to tune in for the series finale 633 00:26:14,642 --> 00:26:17,645 of "Better Call Saul" next Monday, August 15th, 634 00:26:17,748 --> 00:26:19,439 on AMC and AMC+. 635 00:26:19,543 --> 00:26:20,579 Coming up, we have more interviews, 636 00:26:20,682 --> 00:26:22,581 including Giancarlo Esposito and Tony Dalton. 637 00:26:22,684 --> 00:26:24,030 We'll be right back. 638 00:26:24,134 --> 00:26:25,376 Yeah. 639 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,792 [Cheers and applause] 640 00:26:26,895 --> 00:26:31,900 ♪ 641 00:26:33,971 --> 00:26:40,875 ♪ 642 00:26:40,978 --> 00:26:42,980 It's great to be part of this whole universe 643 00:26:43,084 --> 00:26:45,880 and to have people really sort of embrace the character 644 00:26:45,983 --> 00:26:46,846 and like him. 645 00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:48,917 He's such a complex character 646 00:26:49,021 --> 00:26:53,266 because he has sort of this charisma and this charm, 647 00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:56,615 yet he's a ruthless killer, which makes it even scarier. 648 00:26:56,718 --> 00:27:00,170 It was a fun character to play. I'm sad to say goodbye to him. 649 00:27:00,273 --> 00:27:01,240 I'm gonna miss everybody here. 650 00:27:01,343 --> 00:27:02,966 It was a great crew and -- 651 00:27:03,069 --> 00:27:04,657 and it was a wonderful part to play. 652 00:27:04,761 --> 00:27:06,245 And it really was an honor. 653 00:27:06,348 --> 00:27:09,386 I mean, everybody here was just so great. 654 00:27:09,489 --> 00:27:12,596 I mean, my alarm clock in the morning, it would ring, 655 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:13,942 I'd get a smile on my face 656 00:27:14,046 --> 00:27:16,186 because I'd come and work with all these guys. 657 00:27:16,289 --> 00:27:18,878 Every day was great, and I'm gonna miss that. 658 00:27:18,982 --> 00:27:20,984 [Cheers and applause] 659 00:27:23,158 --> 00:27:24,435 Welcome back to "Talking Saul." 660 00:27:24,539 --> 00:27:26,955 That was Tony Dalton on what it means to him 661 00:27:27,059 --> 00:27:28,819 to have been a part of "Better Call Saul." 662 00:27:28,923 --> 00:27:31,304 Uh, we're here with Vince, Peter, Bob and Rhea. 663 00:27:31,408 --> 00:27:33,721 Um, Vince and Peter, how would you describe 664 00:27:33,824 --> 00:27:37,759 Lalo's impact on the "Breaking Bad" universe? 665 00:27:37,863 --> 00:27:40,693 I think Peter should -- should take the second half. 666 00:27:40,797 --> 00:27:42,661 The first half is there wouldn't have been a Lalo 667 00:27:42,764 --> 00:27:43,765 if it had been up to me. 668 00:27:43,869 --> 00:27:45,077 That's how dumb I am. 669 00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:46,699 I was -- I got really lazy. 670 00:27:46,803 --> 00:27:48,494 There was -- you know, Lalo was mentioned 671 00:27:48,597 --> 00:27:50,530 in, uh -- in -- in the very first episode -- 672 00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:51,739 it's a throwaway line -- 673 00:27:51,842 --> 00:27:54,155 the very first episode of "Breaking Bad" that -- 674 00:27:54,258 --> 00:27:56,398 that, uh -- that, uh, Saul appears in. 675 00:27:56,502 --> 00:27:58,090 He says, "Lalo, La--" 676 00:27:58,193 --> 00:27:59,367 It was a throwaway. 677 00:27:59,470 --> 00:28:00,920 And -- And Peter kept saying, 678 00:28:01,024 --> 00:28:02,819 "We got to pay this off. Who is Lalo? 679 00:28:02,922 --> 00:28:04,717 Who's this guy, Lalo, that, uh -- 680 00:28:04,821 --> 00:28:06,546 that, uh, Saul's so scared of?" 681 00:28:06,650 --> 00:28:07,755 And I said, "Ah, for God's sake, 682 00:28:07,858 --> 00:28:09,549 you don't have to dot every 'I' here." 683 00:28:09,653 --> 00:28:13,657 [Laughter] And -- And Peter kept on. 684 00:28:13,761 --> 00:28:15,452 He said -- and the writers and everyone was -- 685 00:28:15,555 --> 00:28:16,902 like, looked at me like I'm, like, 686 00:28:17,005 --> 00:28:19,042 the feeble uncle who they're just, like, 687 00:28:19,145 --> 00:28:21,700 you know, just kind of, you know, uh, humoring here, 688 00:28:21,803 --> 00:28:24,530 and they were so right to keep pushing 689 00:28:24,633 --> 00:28:26,705 because we wouldn't have had Tony Dalton, 690 00:28:26,808 --> 00:28:27,947 and it would have been -- 691 00:28:28,051 --> 00:28:30,156 the whole universe would've been poorer for it. 692 00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:32,572 So, Peter, what -- what does, uh -- 693 00:28:32,676 --> 00:28:34,643 uh, you -- my hat is off to you, my friend. 694 00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:36,369 Well, thank you. My hat's right back off, uh -- 695 00:28:36,473 --> 00:28:37,750 off to you also. 696 00:28:37,854 --> 00:28:39,338 My whole -- my -- my hair, too. 697 00:28:39,441 --> 00:28:41,374 Uh, it's, uh -- yeah. 698 00:28:41,478 --> 00:28:44,377 Look, Tony is -- is just so special, 699 00:28:44,481 --> 00:28:47,104 and the character, uh, we just thought it was -- 700 00:28:47,208 --> 00:28:50,901 it was time to introduce, uh, a different kind of Salamanca. 701 00:28:51,005 --> 00:28:52,731 Uh, we thought it would be really interesting 702 00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:55,250 to see a killer who enjoys life, 703 00:28:55,354 --> 00:28:58,806 who isn't so grim, who kind of has a-a spring in his step, 704 00:28:58,909 --> 00:29:03,086 and, boy, Tony brought it, and he's -- he's got charm, 705 00:29:03,189 --> 00:29:07,400 and he's got a -- he's a joyf-- he's probably one of the -- 706 00:29:07,504 --> 00:29:09,713 maybe the happiest character on the show. 707 00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:10,887 [Laughter] And, uh -- 708 00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:13,855 - Yeah, yeah. - You know? How crazy is that? 709 00:29:13,959 --> 00:29:15,857 He's literally the happiest character on the show. 710 00:29:15,961 --> 00:29:18,618 You know, you meet him, and he's cooking away and singing, 711 00:29:18,722 --> 00:29:21,621 and he's just -- he's -- he's delighted with life. 712 00:29:21,725 --> 00:29:23,416 And then he'll kill you if you get in his way. 713 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,073 - Yeah. - So I think it was just 714 00:29:25,177 --> 00:29:27,869 a really spe-- it was, you know, with all these actors, 715 00:29:27,973 --> 00:29:32,494 it's a -- it's a special alchemy of, uh, the role and the actor 716 00:29:32,598 --> 00:29:35,359 and, uh, the great fun of getting to do what we do 717 00:29:35,463 --> 00:29:37,568 is that we get to write for these actors 718 00:29:37,672 --> 00:29:40,123 and to pick up on all the things that they do. 719 00:29:40,226 --> 00:29:44,092 And so Tony became kind of the swashbuckling, 720 00:29:44,196 --> 00:29:48,510 charming James Bond cartel capo. 721 00:29:48,614 --> 00:29:49,891 I mean, it was -- it was a -- it -- 722 00:29:49,995 --> 00:29:51,375 it was a flawless performance, too, 723 00:29:51,479 --> 00:29:54,896 because he did not -- he didn't play like the villain, 724 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,656 you know, like, he was -- - Yeah, yeah. 725 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,486 He went into that mode when he was in that mode, 726 00:29:58,589 --> 00:30:00,212 and then all smiles the rest of the time. 727 00:30:00,315 --> 00:30:02,352 But, again, it's sort of a testament to the -- 728 00:30:02,455 --> 00:30:04,423 and I think we talked about this when we were doing 729 00:30:04,526 --> 00:30:06,080 "Talking Bad" all those years ago 730 00:30:06,183 --> 00:30:08,703 is that one of my favorite things about what y'all create 731 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:12,707 is just something that seems like a throwaway, 732 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,571 just a very small detail, 733 00:30:14,674 --> 00:30:19,438 then maybe seasons later becomes an entire story line, 734 00:30:19,541 --> 00:30:22,717 uh, and it's that kind of like respect to detail 735 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:25,651 for your audience that we get to enjoy that, 736 00:30:25,754 --> 00:30:27,687 we get to watch this payoff, 737 00:30:27,791 --> 00:30:29,103 you know, that it wasn't just a throwaway. 738 00:30:29,206 --> 00:30:30,380 It actually had depth and -- 739 00:30:30,483 --> 00:30:32,244 and meaning to it. - Yeah. 740 00:30:32,347 --> 00:30:34,349 We have to take a quick break, uh, but before we do, 741 00:30:34,453 --> 00:30:36,938 I'm excited to announce that you can have the opportunity 742 00:30:37,042 --> 00:30:40,390 to take home an actual piece of "Better Call Saul." 743 00:30:40,493 --> 00:30:42,599 Sony Pictures is partnering with the Prop -- 744 00:30:42,702 --> 00:30:44,808 with Propstore, which is a great auction house. 745 00:30:44,912 --> 00:30:46,879 My wife and I have bought a ton of film and television 746 00:30:46,983 --> 00:30:48,501 and movie props from there. 747 00:30:48,605 --> 00:30:50,676 250 props and costumes from all six seasons 748 00:30:50,779 --> 00:30:51,711 of "Better Call Saul." 749 00:30:51,815 --> 00:30:55,060 Go to PropStore/BetterCallSaul. 750 00:30:55,163 --> 00:30:56,751 Uh, you can register and see a preview 751 00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,132 of what'll be available. 752 00:30:58,235 --> 00:31:01,376 Um, we have a handful of items that are around the set 753 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,792 that will be available as part of the auction, as well, 754 00:31:03,896 --> 00:31:06,278 including, uh, Hector Salamanca's bell, 755 00:31:06,381 --> 00:31:07,796 which would be amazing. - Oh. 756 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,799 Um, we have, uh, a tequila bottle stopper. 757 00:31:10,903 --> 00:31:12,974 We have Jimmy's "2nd Best Lawyer" mug. 758 00:31:13,078 --> 00:31:15,908 There's a ton of stuff. So bidding starts August 18th. 759 00:31:16,012 --> 00:31:17,634 A portion of the proceeds will be donated 760 00:31:17,737 --> 00:31:19,498 to local Albuquerque charities. 761 00:31:19,601 --> 00:31:21,465 Make sure you check it out for your chance to take home 762 00:31:21,569 --> 00:31:22,950 a piece of pop-culture history. 763 00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:24,744 Coming up, more interviews with the cast and producers, 764 00:31:24,848 --> 00:31:26,539 but, first, here's Jonathan Banks 765 00:31:26,643 --> 00:31:27,955 on what portraying Mike Ehrmantraut 766 00:31:28,058 --> 00:31:28,783 has meant to him. 767 00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:29,957 Check it out. 768 00:31:31,337 --> 00:31:34,789 Mike Ehrmantraut's a pretty great character. 769 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:38,034 I like Mike a lot. 770 00:31:38,137 --> 00:31:42,555 What are my feelings as this comes to an end? 771 00:31:42,659 --> 00:31:45,904 I don't think I'll know what my emotions are 772 00:31:46,007 --> 00:31:50,563 until a month, a year after. 773 00:31:50,667 --> 00:31:52,531 Right now, I'm ready to go home, 774 00:31:52,634 --> 00:31:56,673 ready to put it to bed with a lot of gratitude. 775 00:31:56,776 --> 00:31:59,020 Oh, my God. A lot of gratitude. 776 00:31:59,124 --> 00:32:00,884 And that will choke me up. 777 00:32:00,988 --> 00:32:04,750 You hear guys saying, "I'm the luckiest guy in the world." 778 00:32:04,853 --> 00:32:08,616 I would like to remind you that's sincere, 779 00:32:08,719 --> 00:32:10,825 not on just my part, 780 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:14,691 but a lot of the people who are saying it 781 00:32:14,794 --> 00:32:16,486 to the point you can't take it in, 782 00:32:16,589 --> 00:32:17,866 it's so lucky. 783 00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:19,006 [Clicks tongue] 784 00:32:19,109 --> 00:32:24,943 ♪ 785 00:32:26,841 --> 00:32:33,744 ♪ 786 00:32:33,848 --> 00:32:37,921 It's an emotional moment for me inside to let a character go, 787 00:32:38,025 --> 00:32:39,785 and, in this case, been so blessed 788 00:32:39,888 --> 00:32:42,995 to have him come back in a different incarnation slightly, 789 00:32:43,099 --> 00:32:44,928 so it gives me something else to play. 790 00:32:45,032 --> 00:32:46,999 I was talking to Tony Dalton, and we were talking about 791 00:32:47,103 --> 00:32:49,968 how blessed we are to have been in a situation 792 00:32:50,071 --> 00:32:51,417 with such great creators. 793 00:32:51,521 --> 00:32:53,592 For an actor, it's all about the writing 794 00:32:53,695 --> 00:32:54,869 and where the character goes 795 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:58,148 and how it is very meticulously put together. 796 00:32:58,252 --> 00:33:00,806 And then the other part of letting go of this 797 00:33:00,909 --> 00:33:02,670 is the family of filmmakers. 798 00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:03,982 There's no actor on this show 799 00:33:04,085 --> 00:33:06,087 who I have not enjoyed working with. 800 00:33:06,191 --> 00:33:07,744 It's a difficult one to let go of 801 00:33:07,847 --> 00:33:09,401 because the longer you're in the business, 802 00:33:09,504 --> 00:33:12,128 whether you're actor, director, stuntperson, 803 00:33:12,231 --> 00:33:15,648 when you have an experience that is somehow so very special 804 00:33:15,752 --> 00:33:21,620 and it's indescribable in words you mark it, you feel it. 805 00:33:21,723 --> 00:33:24,519 It's an energetic feeling that you never want to forget. 806 00:33:25,451 --> 00:33:27,419 [Cheers and applause] 807 00:33:27,522 --> 00:33:29,352 Welcome back to "Talking Saul." 808 00:33:29,455 --> 00:33:31,250 That was Giancarlo Esposito. 809 00:33:31,354 --> 00:33:35,013 And also, uh, huge hand for Giancarlo Esposito, please. 810 00:33:35,116 --> 00:33:37,118 [Cheers and applause] 811 00:33:37,222 --> 00:33:38,706 Just amazing. 812 00:33:38,809 --> 00:33:41,398 Uh, and now it is my pleasure to introduce, 813 00:33:41,502 --> 00:33:42,606 uh, our featured fan. 814 00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:45,195 Please welcome Raghava from Bordeaux, France. 815 00:33:45,299 --> 00:33:47,232 Hi, Raghava. How are you? 816 00:33:47,335 --> 00:33:48,612 Hi. I'm doing great. 817 00:33:48,716 --> 00:33:51,201 Uh, thanks so much for having me, 818 00:33:51,305 --> 00:33:54,963 uh, and I have a question, and the question is for Rhea. 819 00:33:55,067 --> 00:33:58,829 Uh, are there any plans to exhibit the amazing artwork 820 00:33:58,933 --> 00:34:02,040 you -- you've made for the show? 821 00:34:02,143 --> 00:34:04,697 Okay, Raghava, let's talk about the artwork behind you. 822 00:34:04,801 --> 00:34:06,768 Is this your artwork? 823 00:34:06,872 --> 00:34:08,736 Yeah, these are mine. [Laughter] 824 00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:10,600 - That's incredible. - So, uh, the -- 825 00:34:10,703 --> 00:34:14,017 Okay, I think we need to plan your exhibition, not mine. 826 00:34:14,121 --> 00:34:16,778 [Laughter] 827 00:34:16,882 --> 00:34:18,090 Thank you, thank you. 828 00:34:18,194 --> 00:34:22,543 Did you -- did you do artwork for the show, Rhea? 829 00:34:22,646 --> 00:34:24,510 Yes. Kim's bedroom 830 00:34:24,614 --> 00:34:29,757 has, uh, bird paintings above the bed in the condo 831 00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:31,621 that are my actual paintings. 832 00:34:31,724 --> 00:34:35,659 They are -- they are two paintings collaged together. 833 00:34:35,763 --> 00:34:40,181 And, let's see, the bedroom -- 834 00:34:40,285 --> 00:34:43,460 sorry, the bathroom has one of sheets, 835 00:34:43,564 --> 00:34:46,498 and the living room has two, 836 00:34:46,601 --> 00:34:50,536 an owl and a woman lying on her back with her legs crossed, 837 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,023 and if you're looking at the condo, at the couch, 838 00:34:55,127 --> 00:35:00,270 the left wall, uh, bookcase, that painting, 839 00:35:00,374 --> 00:35:02,928 uh, how she's laying, I duplicated -- 840 00:35:03,031 --> 00:35:04,757 no one will know this, but I duplicated -- 841 00:35:04,861 --> 00:35:08,830 now you will -- um, when -- uh, the episode that, um, 842 00:35:08,934 --> 00:35:14,422 I was allowed to direct and had a glorious time doing, 604, 843 00:35:14,526 --> 00:35:18,392 when Jimmy is describing pulling the sign out of the cement, 844 00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:21,188 uh, I duplicated the posture. 845 00:35:21,291 --> 00:35:22,603 If anyone ever saw it, 846 00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:24,536 it's Kim laying in the exact same position 847 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,848 as the drawing that I did on the other side of the wall. 848 00:35:26,952 --> 00:35:28,540 - Oh, my God, that's fantastic. - Nice. 849 00:35:28,643 --> 00:35:29,955 That is a hell of an Easter egg. 850 00:35:30,058 --> 00:35:32,164 Uh, Raghava, I want to thank you so much for your question. 851 00:35:32,268 --> 00:35:33,614 As you can see in the background, 852 00:35:33,717 --> 00:35:37,618 these incredible portraits is made from the cast and creators, 853 00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:40,172 and he actually had sent some of his artwork. 854 00:35:40,276 --> 00:35:41,863 They were -- we were gonna have it here 855 00:35:41,967 --> 00:35:44,003 so it could be given as gifts to you all, 856 00:35:44,107 --> 00:35:45,764 uh, but it got stuck in customs. 857 00:35:45,867 --> 00:35:48,905 Uh, so, but we will get it, and we will get them to you. 858 00:35:49,008 --> 00:35:50,803 We will make sure that those portraits arrive. 859 00:35:50,907 --> 00:35:51,908 Your artwork is stunning. 860 00:35:52,011 --> 00:35:52,978 Thank you so much for your question, 861 00:35:53,081 --> 00:35:54,290 and thank you for being a fan. 862 00:35:54,393 --> 00:35:57,051 - Thank you. Thank you. - It's a pleasure to talk to you. 863 00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:59,950 [Applause] Um... 864 00:36:00,054 --> 00:36:02,056 Uh, @longlivecinema on Instagram says, 865 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,816 "Bob, what do you think is the most dangerous trait 866 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,335 of Saul Goodman?" 867 00:36:05,439 --> 00:36:08,787 Uh, his, uh, excitement and interest in being -- 868 00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:10,582 you know, he gets too carried away 869 00:36:10,685 --> 00:36:13,964 with, uh, his plots and plans, and that's the problem. 870 00:36:14,068 --> 00:36:16,450 He, uh -- he just -- 871 00:36:16,553 --> 00:36:17,796 [Sighs] 872 00:36:17,899 --> 00:36:20,212 He's a -- he's a good guy deep down, 873 00:36:20,316 --> 00:36:25,459 but he's so happy to have plans and to make them complicated. 874 00:36:25,562 --> 00:36:27,737 This is the -- uh, th-this -- 875 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,672 um, the great shopping crime in the mall, 876 00:36:31,775 --> 00:36:35,296 you know, it reminds me of Tom Sawyer. 877 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,850 I mean, I don't know if you guys ever intended for that, 878 00:36:37,954 --> 00:36:40,439 but Saul's complicated plans, 879 00:36:40,543 --> 00:36:45,272 which seem sometimes too unnecessarily complicated, 880 00:36:45,375 --> 00:36:47,550 reminds me of Tom Sawyer, and, like, 881 00:36:47,653 --> 00:36:49,759 "Huck Finn, you're gonna be an old widow, 882 00:36:49,862 --> 00:36:51,347 and I'm gonna be a little girl. 883 00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:52,865 I'm going through the window." 884 00:36:52,969 --> 00:36:54,488 Why don't you just open the window and go? 885 00:36:54,591 --> 00:36:55,799 You don't have to put on a dress. 886 00:36:55,903 --> 00:36:58,043 [Laughter] Uh, but it -- 887 00:36:58,146 --> 00:36:59,147 but it's just his excitement. 888 00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:01,495 His exuberance gets him into trouble 889 00:37:01,598 --> 00:37:03,738 and creates -- makes things worse 890 00:37:03,842 --> 00:37:05,292 because he takes it too far. 891 00:37:05,395 --> 00:37:07,294 And he just can't get out of his own way. 892 00:37:07,397 --> 00:37:08,640 Uh, we have to take a quick break. 893 00:37:08,743 --> 00:37:09,503 When we come back, more interviews 894 00:37:09,606 --> 00:37:10,676 with the cast and producers. 895 00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:13,161 We'll be right back with more "Talking Saul." 896 00:37:13,265 --> 00:37:14,991 [Cheers and applause] 897 00:37:15,094 --> 00:37:19,720 ♪ 898 00:37:21,791 --> 00:37:26,174 ♪ 899 00:37:26,278 --> 00:37:27,555 Welcome back to "Talking Saul." 900 00:37:27,659 --> 00:37:29,661 I'm back with Vince, Peter, Bob, and Rhea. 901 00:37:29,764 --> 00:37:33,078 Alright, so we have 3 minutes and 40 seconds, uh, 902 00:37:33,181 --> 00:37:36,046 before this is done, and then there's another episode left. 903 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:38,463 So I want to try to encapsulate as best we can. 904 00:37:38,566 --> 00:37:39,740 It's gonna be a tall order. 905 00:37:39,843 --> 00:37:41,189 How should fans prepare themselves 906 00:37:41,293 --> 00:37:43,468 for the final episode next week? 907 00:37:43,571 --> 00:37:45,573 Buy -- stock up in Depends. 908 00:37:45,677 --> 00:37:47,092 "Stock up on Depends." 909 00:37:47,195 --> 00:37:49,232 [Laughter] - It's a big one. 910 00:37:49,336 --> 00:37:50,820 And I can say how great it is 911 00:37:50,923 --> 00:37:52,580 'cause I didn't write it, and I didn't direct. 912 00:37:52,684 --> 00:37:54,548 Is Depends paying you? You name-check a lot of brands 913 00:37:54,651 --> 00:37:55,790 that aren't giving you anything. - And I never get paid 914 00:37:55,894 --> 00:37:58,345 for any of them. - No. 915 00:37:58,448 --> 00:38:01,624 We are not getting enough free mayonnaise or diapers. 916 00:38:01,727 --> 00:38:03,142 Guess not. 917 00:38:03,246 --> 00:38:05,421 Now it's people riding the tram at the Albuquerque airport, 918 00:38:05,524 --> 00:38:08,527 eating mayonnaise, crying, and then crapping their pants 919 00:38:08,631 --> 00:38:10,564 at the same time. - Yes. 920 00:38:10,667 --> 00:38:13,221 Uh, Rhea, how would you describe the series finale 921 00:38:13,325 --> 00:38:14,395 in three words? 922 00:38:14,499 --> 00:38:15,810 Can you even do that? 923 00:38:15,914 --> 00:38:17,398 You can't leave that to me. 924 00:38:17,502 --> 00:38:20,021 Um, uh, bleh. 925 00:38:20,125 --> 00:38:22,058 A-As always, we can't spoil anything. 926 00:38:22,161 --> 00:38:25,303 I-I -- I think it is one of the most -- 927 00:38:25,406 --> 00:38:27,684 and I've watched many of my favorite series end, 928 00:38:27,788 --> 00:38:30,342 and it's such a hard, hard job to do. 929 00:38:30,446 --> 00:38:32,620 Uh, my hat off. 930 00:38:32,724 --> 00:38:36,279 I have multiple hats I'm taking off right now to Peter, and -- 931 00:38:36,383 --> 00:38:38,074 but just wrapping this whole thing up, 932 00:38:38,177 --> 00:38:40,835 it's so thoughtful, it's so respectful 933 00:38:40,939 --> 00:38:43,631 of the intelligence level of our fans, 934 00:38:43,735 --> 00:38:46,910 and the, um, heart level of our fans. 935 00:38:47,014 --> 00:38:48,256 Like, it tu-- it tugged at my heart. 936 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,810 I'm still thinking about the ending. 937 00:38:49,913 --> 00:38:51,156 I can't wrap it up in three words. 938 00:38:51,259 --> 00:38:53,227 My apologies. - That's fine. 939 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:55,298 Bob, rather than asking the three-word question, 940 00:38:55,402 --> 00:38:57,749 someone asked a social-media question. 941 00:38:57,852 --> 00:38:59,923 Uh... - Oh. I want to answer that. 942 00:39:00,027 --> 00:39:01,304 You do you want to answer it? Okay, go ahead. 943 00:39:01,408 --> 00:39:03,548 - Hard-won truth. - Do it. You do it. 944 00:39:03,651 --> 00:39:05,377 - "Hard-won truth." - Oh. 945 00:39:05,481 --> 00:39:08,656 - "Hard-won truth." - You so prepared that. 946 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,488 [Laughter] - I-I-I literally prepared that 947 00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:15,560 while you were fumfering around for your three words. 948 00:39:15,663 --> 00:39:17,320 [Laughter] - Fumfering? 949 00:39:17,424 --> 00:39:19,253 What century is this? 950 00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:22,981 - Thank you for fumfering. - Someone asked on social media, 951 00:39:23,084 --> 00:39:25,708 do you see Saul as a tragic character? 952 00:39:25,811 --> 00:39:29,021 Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah, yeah, because he knows -- 953 00:39:29,125 --> 00:39:32,542 he's got a good sense of what's right, 954 00:39:32,646 --> 00:39:35,476 and he can't help himself. - Yeah. 955 00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,892 - And that's tragic. - Yeah. 956 00:39:37,996 --> 00:39:40,516 I also feel like he -- the worst thing is 957 00:39:40,619 --> 00:39:41,965 he can't let go of things. 958 00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:44,312 You got to be able to let go of things, 959 00:39:44,416 --> 00:39:47,108 and that's his biggest flaw, I'd say. 960 00:39:47,212 --> 00:39:49,870 Um, how are you feeling, the finale being a week away, 961 00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:52,113 this journey that started so many years ago? 962 00:39:52,217 --> 00:39:53,529 - Can't believe it. - Yeah. 963 00:39:53,632 --> 00:39:55,151 I can't believe we're -- I can't believe we're almost -- 964 00:39:55,254 --> 00:39:56,497 we're almost done. - Yeah. 965 00:39:56,601 --> 00:39:59,155 I-I-I'm super proud of the -- the -- 966 00:39:59,258 --> 00:40:01,502 I hope people find somebody who -- 967 00:40:01,606 --> 00:40:04,194 who will let you hang on to them and grab them, 968 00:40:04,298 --> 00:40:05,472 and that's -- that's how you should watch. 969 00:40:05,575 --> 00:40:06,921 That's how you should watch the finale. 970 00:40:07,025 --> 00:40:09,752 Yeah, I'm -- I'm excited for people to see it, 971 00:40:09,855 --> 00:40:11,857 but I'm -- I -- I can't believe it's almost over. 972 00:40:11,961 --> 00:40:13,687 - No, 15 years. - Well, I-I just -- 973 00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:17,898 I always gush about how much I respect you for what you've done 974 00:40:18,001 --> 00:40:20,107 and for what you've built and how you, you know -- 975 00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:23,282 and, Bob, for what you've done to take this character 976 00:40:23,386 --> 00:40:25,319 from the other show and then spin him off 977 00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:28,391 into this whole other character with depth 978 00:40:28,495 --> 00:40:31,221 to see the other side of the wall from the other show. 979 00:40:31,325 --> 00:40:32,568 It was easy as pie. 980 00:40:32,671 --> 00:40:34,466 [Laughter] 981 00:40:34,570 --> 00:40:36,986 And watching all of you do amazing work 982 00:40:37,089 --> 00:40:39,195 and your careers blossom, it's just -- 983 00:40:39,298 --> 00:40:41,024 I'm a fan of you both professionally and personally, 984 00:40:41,128 --> 00:40:42,129 and I want to thank you so much 985 00:40:42,232 --> 00:40:43,820 for making this incredible show. - Thanks. 986 00:40:43,924 --> 00:40:45,719 Next week, it's the series finale of "Better Call Saul." 987 00:40:45,822 --> 00:40:47,168 My guests have been Vince Gilligan, 988 00:40:47,272 --> 00:40:50,275 Peter Gould, Bob Odenkirk, and the wonderful Rhea Seehorn. 989 00:40:50,378 --> 00:40:52,346 Uh, I hope you win all the Emmys, 990 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:53,934 and I want to say congratulations 991 00:40:54,037 --> 00:40:56,868 to everyone else, the rest of the incredible cast and crew 992 00:40:56,971 --> 00:40:58,594 on this amazing journey. 993 00:40:58,697 --> 00:40:59,698 You should also be so proud. 994 00:40:59,802 --> 00:41:01,320 Also, "Better Call Saul" fans, 995 00:41:01,424 --> 00:41:03,633 thank you for showing up and enjoying the ride. 996 00:41:03,737 --> 00:41:05,463 I can't wait to see how this wraps up. 997 00:41:05,566 --> 00:41:08,051 Catch the series finale next Monday, August 15th, 998 00:41:08,155 --> 00:41:09,743 on AMC and AMC+. Stay safe. 999 00:41:09,846 --> 00:41:11,710 Take care of each other. I'm Chris Hardwick. 1000 00:41:11,814 --> 00:41:13,643 I'll see you in the fall for "Walking" and "Talking Dead." 1001 00:41:13,747 --> 00:41:14,610 Bye-bye. 1002 00:41:14,713 --> 00:41:16,750 [Cheers and applause]