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Dr. Baltz, thank you
for meeting with us again.
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We want to drill down on that fifth day.
September 1st.
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We're all gonna die.
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It was anarchy.
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No one knew what was going on.
No one was in charge.
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And decisions were made
that should not have been made.
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We need to seriously lower our head count,
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and I think that you should evacuate
with the next group.
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Evacuate?
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Susan, I can't evacuate, I'm a doctor.
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Doctors look after patients.
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Horace,
there is nothing else any of us can do.
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I was told to get ready to leave,
right then.
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That I was
going to be sent out on a rescue boat.
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I have a tremendous sense of guilt
about it.
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About not staying there to the very end.
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True heroism would have been
to remember why we're doctors,
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and no matter how bad
the circumstances are,
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to adhere to our oath, "Do no harm."
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But in all that chaos,
people just cast off who they were.
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And this blindness just swept in
and took over everything.
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It took over everything.
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Wade in the water
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Wade in the water, children
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Wade in the water
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Wade in the water, children
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Wade in the water
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God is gonna trouble these waters
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Man went down to the river
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Man went down to the river, Lord
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Man went down to the river
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Went down there for to pray
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Wade in the water
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Wade in the water, children
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Wade in the water
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God is gonna trouble these waters
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God's gonna trouble these waters
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Afternoon, everybody.
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Memorial Hospital is a hospital
in the city of New Orleans.
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It's a big hospital,
been there a long time.
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Inside that hospital
is a smaller hospital called Lakeside.
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LifeCare.
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LifeCare.
LifeCare has acute care patients,
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some of whom, it is alleged,
were killed by lethal injection.
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Dr. Anna Pou and two nurses,
Cheri Landry and Lori Budo,
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have been arrested on four charges
of principal to second degree murder.
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Four patients were injected
with morphine and "mazdolome."
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Midazolam.
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Midazolam, otherwise known as Versed.
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Now, either drug can kill you,
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but when you put them together,
you get a lethal cocktail.
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Medical professionals perhaps thought
maybe they were God.
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They were entrusted with looking after
the safety of people who needed help.
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This is not euthanasia.
This is plain and simple homicide.
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The case now goes
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to the offices of Orleans Parish
district attorney, Eddie Jordan,
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who will choose whether to pursue
indictments for murder from a grand jury.
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Thank you.
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More fallout
from Hurricane Katrina on Tuesday--
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A doctor and two nurses
are charged with murder.
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...facing charges
that they murdered four patients
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at Memorial Hospital in New Orleans.
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What kind of law enforcement
goes after doctors and nurses
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who stayed at their posts during a crisis?
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The attorney general's office arrested
three upstanding medical professionals
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so he could have himself a media event
to bolster his own reputation.
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Is your client, Dr. Pou, innocent?
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Yes. No doubt. Absolutely.
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There was no criminal misconduct.
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Here, you see this affidavit?
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This is just a piece of paper
with allegations on it,
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and like every piece of paper,
it's got two sides.
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There's no motive here,
and there is no homicide.
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What am I gonna do, Vince?
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How can I go outside?
What are people gonna think of me?
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What they're gonna think--
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They're gonna think you're being
falsely persecuted, which you are.
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Yeah, hello?
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Nope, she's not available.
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Excuse me?
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Yeah, it doesn't matter who I am. Okay?
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No, I cannot.
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You know what?
I'm just going to unplug the damn thing.
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There's still six or seven
of them lurking around out there.
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You're kidding me.
-This is surreal.
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I have to surrender my passport.
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We have to show up
with $100,000 in bail by Thursday,
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or they're gonna put me back in jail.
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I cannot believe
this is actually happening.
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Mine's off. They found yours?
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Hello.
-Vince, it's Dan Nuss. How are you doing?
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Hey, Dan.
We're doing the best we can, honestly.
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Listen, I'm trying to reach Anna.
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Yeah. All right. Just hang on a minute.
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Hi, Dan.
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Anna, I'm so sorry.
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What's going on, what they're
putting you through, it just sickens me.
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Everyone's on your side,
and people are asking what they can do.
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That's reassuring to hear.
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So, here's what I propose. I want
to set up a legal defense fund for you.
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Dan, that's not necessary.
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Yes, it is. Let's be pragmatic.
You're gonna need the money.
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And people all wanna help.
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That is incredibly thoughtful.
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Please.
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That a few disgruntled individuals
can make these ridiculous allegations.
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And then, suddenly this whole thing
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becomes a absurd
sensational national news story?
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As I said, it sickens me.
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I cannot tell you just how much
I appreciate this call and your support.
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Of course. We're all here for you.
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Battle's on.
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We do all this work,
and Foti can't even get the names right.
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Yeah. All that matters is what
the New Orleans district attorney does.
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What do you know about him?
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I'm not sure where
Eddie Jordan's heart and mind is on this.
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Great.
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We just need to make this case
as undeniable as possible to him.
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The first thing any DA's gonna wanna know
is how the experts classify these deaths.
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So that's where we're gonna focus,
on the forensic evidence.
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I promised a night on the town
for coming to consult.
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So I got us a table at Galatoire's.
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Then we'll see what kind of trouble
we get into after that.
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Bunch of pathologists on a bar crawl.
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Doesn't get much better than that.
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Butch,
the DA is coming to this meeting, or not?
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Eddie Jordan knows about the meeting.
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Let's just get started.
We can catch him up.
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Robert, do you want to lead off?
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Sure. So, my lab took a look
at tissue samples from 41 bodies.
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Twenty-three of them tested positive
for morphine or midazolam, or both.
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Okay, what's your analysis of the levels?
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These drug concentrations,
they seem very high to me.
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They're sticking out like a sore thumb.
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Given the condition of the bodies,
your results, do you think they're valid?
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Absolutely. Yes, I do.
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All right, then.
Let's go through the patients one by one.
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Alice Hutzler, 90-year-old LifeCare
patient being treated for pneumonia.
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Wednesday night, she had no
documented complaints of pain or distress
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that indicated a need for these drugs.
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Yet she was dead on Thursday afternoon.
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With morphine and midazolam
in her liver, brain and muscle tissue.
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Neither of which was prescribed.
-Now, looking at these results,
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my analysis, Michael,
let me know if you concur, is homicide.
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I concur.
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Rose Savoie.
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Both drugs present,
no medical need indicated. Homicide.
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Agreed.
-Wilda McManus.
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Homicide.
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Emmett Everett.
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This patient was apparently
aware, conscious and alert.
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With neither drug prescribed.
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Homicide.
-I concur.
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Sorry I'm late.
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Who are you?
-I'm assistant district attorney,
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Michael Morales. Who are you?
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I'm Butch Schafer. This is Virginia Rider.
We're from the attorney general's office.
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Where's Eddie Jordan?
-I'm here on his behalf.
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The DA's got something better to do
than look into 20-plus possible murders?
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I'm the lead prosecutor on this case.
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If you have something to share,
let's hear it.
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Mr. Morales,
can we talk privately for a minute?
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Mr. Morales, I'm sure you would agree
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that the toxicology reports
in this case are critical.
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Obviously.
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We got the city coroner,
two outside forensic pathology experts
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and the director
of one of the nation's top labs,
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who all flew in here
to examine the evidence.
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It feels like Eddie Jordan should be here.
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The attorney general knew that we were
gonna be the ones prosecuting this case,
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but he's chosen to barely involve us.
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But this is our goddamn case,
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and we'll decide
how it's gonna be managed.
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So you don't think
this case merits the DA's full attention?
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Any death in this city
merits our full attention.
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But I would not call these
typical homicides.
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Look, I have been a prosecutor,
like you, for 27 years.
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And I can tell you that we have built you
a very good case. A very solid case.
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And I'll be the one to decide
whether or not that's true.
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You ready to go back in?
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I am sensing an enthusiasm gap
between us and ADA Morales.
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You think?
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Is anybody still talking
to those investigators?
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Not without a subpoena or a Tenet lawyer.
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Hope nobody else
says a goddamn word to them.
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If you don't mind me asking,
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why shouldn't the staff be willing
to talk to the investigators?
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If they didn't do anything wrong,
then what do they have to worry about?
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Are you really that naïve, Horace?
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I was just wondering
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why nobody's willing to acknowledge
that mistakes were made.
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Could I ask you a question, Horace?
-Sure.
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If you were given a choice
between comforting a patient,
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possibly quickening his death,
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or abandoning patients
to suffer a slow agonizing death,
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which would you choose to do?
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Why, I don't believe that was the choice.
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You can comfort people
without killing them.
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And no one had to abandon them.
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The fact is that when doctors
are given the untenable position
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of having to choose
who gets care and who does not get care,
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there are no right answers, Horace.
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There's just terrible choices.
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That's not what happened.
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It isn't? Where was the checklist?
The emergency protocols?
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Did anybody ever define this criteria
by which we were supposed to be operating?
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Ewing, all I want
is for us to sit down, all together,
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and figure out what went wrong
so we can learn from this for the future.
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I'm gonna get myself some crawfish.
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Yeah, me too.
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After Hurricane Katrina,
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the Superdome became
a symbol of loss nationwide.
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Now, it's synonymous
with hope and recovery.
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A massive renovation effort is underway,
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with workers laboring seven days a week
to fix what was once broken.
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We have been asked to cease investigating.
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What? Are you kidding me?
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Morales has drafted a letter
from Eddie Jordan to the attorney general
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saying that they don't need us anymore,
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that our continued work
would not be advantageous.
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"Not advantageous?"
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We have 50,000 pages
of documentary evidence.
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They requested a summary.
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A summary of 50,000 pages of work.
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Okay, how do we respond?
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I guess we write him a summary...
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and then we drop
the 50,000 pages on his ass.
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Fuck.
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When we talked to Carrie Everett,
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the first thing she made clear
was that her husband, Emmett,
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was not about to die
when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.
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Mrs. Everett, was your husband near death
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when the hurricane hit?
-No.
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Do you think they didn't want to move him?
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Let's be real.
You're on the seventh floor.
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You got a man, paralyzed, 380 pounds.
You really want to risk injuring yourself
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to try to carry that man
down seven flights of stairs?
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Because of his size, that's why
you think he may have been killed?
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Yes, that's absolutely what I believe.
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The hurricane caused...
-This ain't bad.
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The lawsuits against Tenet and Memorial
are getting publicity too.
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Who's filed so far?
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That I know, the families
of Emmett Everett, Alice Hutzler,
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Rose Savoie and Hollis Alford.
-You believe this was murder?
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Yes. I think it was murder.
246
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Reporting from New Orleans...
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Family members are
giving interviews and filing lawsuits.
248
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It's creating a narrative for us
that's less than ideal.
249
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What they're saying, it's not true.
250
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Yeah, I know, but family members,
it's emotionally powerful.
251
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We got to find a way to counter it.
252
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Like what?
253
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I want you to go on 60 Minutes.
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They're interested.
255
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It's an opportunity for you
to tell your story in your own words.
256
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60 Minutes?
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I know you're strong enough to handle it.
258
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They could destroy me.
259
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Or it could be a way for the entire world
to see you the way I see you.
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Think about it.
261
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If I talk to them,
they could twist my words.
262
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You're innocent, Anna.
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They need to know who you are.
264
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They need to know you.
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That you're a deeply caring person
who didn't do anything wrong.
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All right, guys.
267
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This summer, Louisiana's
attorney general stunned the city
268
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when he charged
that four of Memorial's dead
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did not die from illnesses
or even from the horrific conditions.
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Tonight, for the first time,
we hear from the accused.
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It is unbelievably shocking for me
that I'm actually sitting here,
272
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having this conversation
with you on national TV.
273
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And I want everybody to know
that I am not a murderer.
274
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You went from being
a highly respected physician
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to, in the eyes of the law,
a criminal. What did that do to you?
276
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It completely ripped my heart out,
277
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because my entire life,
I've tried to do good.
278
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And my entire adult life...
-She's very compelling.
279
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I have given everything I have...
-Yeah.
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...within me to take care of my patients.
281
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Were people dying?
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Yes, people were dying.
283
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From their diseases
or from their conditions?
284
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You have to understand that there were
very sick people in the hospital.
285
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You had this intense heat,
286
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and we had a lack of all the tools
that we normally use.
287
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So people were dying
from the horrible conditions
288
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because they were not strong enough
to tolerate them.
289
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Jesus.
-Bodies were piling up.
290
00:18:40,746 --> 00:18:42,789
The chapel became a morgue.
291
00:18:42,873 --> 00:18:47,002
Then gunshots were heard. There was fear
that looters might break in.
292
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Did you figure at any point
that you were really done for?
293
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Because you don't know me,
you don't know how tough I am.
294
00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:00,933
I don't think anyone gave up hope.
295
00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:04,019
I can tell you
I didn't give up hope because,
296
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as a cancer specialist,
I give hope to my patients.
297
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I am hope.
298
00:19:11,610 --> 00:19:16,198
She also says she is just
not capable of any sort of mercy killing.
299
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I do not believe in euthanasia.
300
00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:25,332
I don't think that it's anyone's
decision to make, when a patient dies.
301
00:19:25,874 --> 00:19:30,254
However,
what I do believe in is comfort care.
302
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And that means that we ensure
that they do not suffer pain.
303
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My role, as I said,
is to help them through their pain.
304
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As for Dr. Pou and the nurses,
305
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they are faced
with the prospect of life in prison
306
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and the possibility
of never practicing medicine again.
307
00:19:50,566 --> 00:19:52,025
That is the thing
308
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that is truly the most painful for me.
309
00:20:02,244 --> 00:20:04,913
I'm very committed, and I love what I do.
310
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I really love it.
It is the best thing about my life.
311
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And the fact that
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I may not be able to continue
to do the thing that I love the most,
313
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where I know I can do a lot of good,
314
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is just phenomenally,
phenomenally painful to me.
315
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So, guess what?
We got in all the final pathology reports.
316
00:20:32,566 --> 00:20:34,651
Wait. Can't I just
have a cup of coffee first?
317
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Not a chance.
-Okay.
318
00:20:36,153 --> 00:20:37,821
Baden and Wecht confirmed in writing
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what they told in Minyard's office.
320
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In Baden's analysis: "Nine deaths
from LifeCare were due to drug poisoning."
321
00:20:43,035 --> 00:20:44,953
And Wecht, he analyzed 20 deaths
322
00:20:45,037 --> 00:20:47,623
and concluded that all of them
resulted from drug toxicity.
323
00:20:47,623 --> 00:20:49,625
Plus, we got additional reports
from Dr. Frank Brescia.
324
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"Homicide in nine cases."
325
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And then Dr. James Young,
326
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who is the president of
the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.
327
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"All these patients survived
the adverse events of the previous days,
328
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and for every patient
on a floor to have died
329
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in one three-and-a-half-hour period
with drug toxicity is beyond coincidence."
330
00:21:03,305 --> 00:21:04,306
It's irrefutable.
331
00:21:05,182 --> 00:21:08,894
It's not. Nothing's irrefutable.
332
00:21:08,894 --> 00:21:11,522
They're gonna challenge
the conditions of the bodies
333
00:21:11,522 --> 00:21:13,440
and Foti's claims
about the lethality of the drugs--
334
00:21:13,524 --> 00:21:16,818
But we got four top medical experts
all claiming these were homicides.
335
00:21:17,736 --> 00:21:18,904
Yeah.
336
00:21:20,322 --> 00:21:21,949
What is gonna be enough for you, Butch?
337
00:21:22,699 --> 00:21:23,700
This isn't about me.
338
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:27,496
What?
Do I think these folks were murdered?
339
00:21:27,496 --> 00:21:29,164
Hell yes, of course I do.
340
00:21:29,665 --> 00:21:31,333
But what I'm trying to tell you is that
341
00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,085
evidence alone
isn't going to get it done here.
342
00:21:33,085 --> 00:21:34,670
Why? Because Pou went on 60 Minutes?
343
00:21:34,670 --> 00:21:36,672
Yeah, and she did incredibly well.
344
00:21:36,672 --> 00:21:39,258
A TV show is not gonna decide this.
-You don't think it matters?
345
00:21:39,258 --> 00:21:40,801
No.
-Okay.
346
00:21:40,801 --> 00:21:42,511
People in this city,
they're gonna want to know,
347
00:21:42,511 --> 00:21:46,390
"Why should Anna Pou,
a heroic doctor, go to jail?
348
00:21:47,224 --> 00:21:51,603
Why should she be the one person to take
the blame for everything that went wrong?"
349
00:21:53,272 --> 00:21:54,398
You know who didn't get arrested?
350
00:21:54,398 --> 00:21:56,024
Nobody from any corporate entity.
351
00:21:56,775 --> 00:21:59,319
Nobody from Tenet. Nobody from LifeCare.
352
00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:01,947
And what about the government officials?
353
00:22:01,947 --> 00:22:04,491
Why wasn't Governor Blanco arrested?
Or Mayor Nagin?
354
00:22:04,575 --> 00:22:07,369
They were the leaders.
They were the goddamn people in charge!
355
00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:11,832
That's what we have to overcome.
356
00:22:19,298 --> 00:22:21,925
Look, I'm sor-- I just--
357
00:22:22,009 --> 00:22:23,719
I'm just trying to be realistic here,
358
00:22:23,719 --> 00:22:25,804
so we can figure out how to get this done.
359
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:28,182
Yeah, so what do you wanna do?
360
00:22:28,182 --> 00:22:31,518
Let's just send
all that forensic evidence over to Morales
361
00:22:31,602 --> 00:22:33,896
and maybe put a big red bow on it.
362
00:22:34,938 --> 00:22:36,106
Will do.
363
00:22:42,112 --> 00:22:47,367
Congratulations, Anna. You were fantastic.
That could not have gone better.
364
00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:49,578
I hope you're right.
-I know I am.
365
00:22:49,578 --> 00:22:51,413
I've been in touch
with various medical groups.
366
00:22:51,955 --> 00:22:54,333
Statements of support are pouring in.
367
00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:55,417
All right, listen to this.
368
00:22:55,501 --> 00:22:57,836
I just got this
from the Louisiana State Medical Society.
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00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,715
"The LSMS is confident
that Dr. Pou performed courageously
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00:23:01,715 --> 00:23:04,009
under the most challenging
and horrific conditions,
371
00:23:04,009 --> 00:23:07,930
and made decisions
in the best interest of her patients."
372
00:23:07,930 --> 00:23:10,474
The medical community
is lining up behind you.
373
00:23:11,058 --> 00:23:12,267
It's very reassuring.
374
00:23:12,351 --> 00:23:14,853
I just got a call from Frank Minyard,
the parish coroner.
375
00:23:14,937 --> 00:23:17,940
He saw the interview.
He wants to sit with you.
376
00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:20,400
Why would I want to do that?
377
00:23:20,484 --> 00:23:22,819
This is a good thing. Trust me.
378
00:23:26,907 --> 00:23:29,076
It shocks me that we've never met before.
379
00:23:29,660 --> 00:23:32,955
I knew your father well. In fact,
I used to come by your house all the time.
380
00:23:33,872 --> 00:23:35,290
I was one of 11 kids.
381
00:23:35,374 --> 00:23:38,919
So, maybe I ran past you or
threw up on you, or something.
382
00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:40,754
That could've happened.
383
00:23:41,797 --> 00:23:43,382
Your father was a wonderful man.
384
00:23:43,382 --> 00:23:45,259
And a great physician.
-Yes.
385
00:23:45,884 --> 00:23:48,679
And he was especially kind
in referring patients to me
386
00:23:48,679 --> 00:23:51,598
when I was starting my OB-GYN practice.
387
00:23:52,558 --> 00:23:55,269
He is the reason that I'm a doctor.
388
00:23:59,314 --> 00:24:00,774
So, how you holding up?
389
00:24:02,192 --> 00:24:05,445
To be honest, it hasn't been easy.
390
00:24:05,529 --> 00:24:07,614
I'm sure it has not.
391
00:24:11,201 --> 00:24:14,246
I do have some idea what you went through.
392
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,749
During the storm,
to get to my office downtown,
393
00:24:17,833 --> 00:24:21,420
I had to wade, swim,
then hitch a ride on a boat.
394
00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:22,504
Oh, my word.
395
00:24:22,588 --> 00:24:24,173
I was stuck there for four days.
396
00:24:25,465 --> 00:24:29,845
How precious did food and water seem?
-Yes.
397
00:24:29,845 --> 00:24:32,306
At night, I couldn't sleep
for all the sounds of gunshots.
398
00:24:32,306 --> 00:24:33,724
We heard them too.
399
00:24:33,724 --> 00:24:37,436
The people that weren't here,
they just can't understand.
400
00:24:37,436 --> 00:24:39,897
No, they cannot.
-No.
401
00:24:41,106 --> 00:24:45,777
My job, as I see it, is not just
examining bodies. Anybody can do that.
402
00:24:46,737 --> 00:24:49,948
What I do is try to understand
why things happened.
403
00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:56,872
I like to get a handle on the people
involved, meet them face-to-face if I can.
404
00:25:01,376 --> 00:25:04,046
It's terrible right now,
the way our city's being judged.
405
00:25:04,046 --> 00:25:05,339
I couldn't agree more.
406
00:25:05,339 --> 00:25:08,634
I've dealt with
over 650 dead bodies from Katrina.
407
00:25:10,135 --> 00:25:13,263
650. And that's just here in New Orleans.
408
00:25:13,347 --> 00:25:14,598
It's unfathomable.
409
00:25:15,641 --> 00:25:18,060
I thank God I was not in that hospital,
410
00:25:19,311 --> 00:25:21,772
that I was not the one
who had to make those decisions.
411
00:25:24,024 --> 00:25:25,817
God bless you for all you did.
412
00:25:31,323 --> 00:25:34,243
Thank you. Thank you.
413
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,351
That was Green Day, right here
on WVXT Baton Rouge,
414
00:25:59,351 --> 00:26:00,727
home of great rock music.
415
00:26:00,811 --> 00:26:02,855
And now, these local news headlines.
416
00:26:03,397 --> 00:26:06,441
New Orleans coroner, Frank Minyard,
released a statement this morning
417
00:26:06,525 --> 00:26:09,111
saying he's found no evidence of homicide
418
00:26:09,111 --> 00:26:11,738
in the case of 45 dead bodies
discovered last year
419
00:26:11,822 --> 00:26:14,700
at Memorial Medical Center,
in the wake of Hurricane--
420
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:16,368
Hello?
421
00:26:16,368 --> 00:26:18,120
Did you hear what Minyard just announced?
422
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:19,496
Yeah, I just heard it.
423
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:20,956
How can he say there's no evidence?
424
00:26:20,956 --> 00:26:23,584
I told you, he's gonna want
to pass his own judgments.
425
00:26:23,584 --> 00:26:26,170
That's bullshit!
-Hey, where are you?
426
00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:28,046
I'm going to New Orleans.
427
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:30,174
No-- Virginia, no, no, no--
428
00:26:31,008 --> 00:26:32,050
Fuck!
429
00:26:36,096 --> 00:26:38,849
Excuse me! Hey! You can't go in there.
430
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:44,062
How could you do this?
How could you say this?
431
00:26:44,146 --> 00:26:47,149
There is so much support
for Dr. Pou at this time.
432
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:51,778
A public declaration of homicide would
do a lot more than just stir things up.
433
00:26:52,529 --> 00:26:54,573
It would be very bad for our city.
434
00:26:54,573 --> 00:26:57,701
How's it gonna be for the city when people
learn you swept the truth under the rug?
435
00:26:57,701 --> 00:26:59,620
Tell me something, Miss Rider.
436
00:26:59,620 --> 00:27:03,790
What happens the next time there's
a hurricane? Or the time after that?
437
00:27:04,917 --> 00:27:06,668
Because those times will come for certain.
438
00:27:06,752 --> 00:27:10,380
What happens when there's no
health care workers to fill our hospitals?
439
00:27:10,464 --> 00:27:12,674
No doctors. No nurses.
440
00:27:12,758 --> 00:27:15,719
Because they're too afraid that
if they do anything wrong in an emergency,
441
00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:17,304
they're gonna be treated like criminals.
442
00:27:17,304 --> 00:27:18,639
What happens to our city then?
443
00:27:18,639 --> 00:27:21,683
You're telling me that doctors are gonna
threaten the people of this city?
444
00:27:22,309 --> 00:27:23,602
That they're gonna walk off the job?
445
00:27:23,602 --> 00:27:25,187
Besides, that is not your job.
446
00:27:25,187 --> 00:27:26,647
I respectfully disagree.
447
00:27:26,647 --> 00:27:31,318
For 31 years, the entirety of my job's
been doing what's best for this city.
448
00:27:31,318 --> 00:27:34,238
No, your job, your actual job,
449
00:27:34,238 --> 00:27:37,866
is to make judgments based
on scientific fact, based on evidence.
450
00:27:38,534 --> 00:27:40,410
So just do your damn job.
451
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:42,871
Do what you're supposed to do.
452
00:27:52,923 --> 00:27:55,926
From a distance,
it looks like any other American city,
453
00:27:55,926 --> 00:28:00,013
but to revisit New Orleans now
is to realize the scale of the betrayal.
454
00:28:02,850 --> 00:28:05,978
The president promised
the biggest rebuilding program in history,
455
00:28:05,978 --> 00:28:08,230
but come
to the very poorest neighborhoods,
456
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:11,275
and there is no evidence
of government help whatsoever.
457
00:28:11,275 --> 00:28:14,862
The Ninth Ward, like the other poor,
mainly Black areas of this city,
458
00:28:14,862 --> 00:28:16,822
are being left to, quite literally, rot.
459
00:28:17,406 --> 00:28:19,199
And what is also so striking
460
00:28:19,283 --> 00:28:22,619
is there are very few people left here
to ask about the future.
461
00:28:23,161 --> 00:28:26,415
The Lower Ninth Ward
lost over 10,000 residents,
462
00:28:26,415 --> 00:28:29,877
leaving just 7%
of its previous population.
463
00:28:29,877 --> 00:28:33,422
It's very unfair. I think it's unfair.
464
00:28:33,422 --> 00:28:37,467
I don't know how long I can do this.
I might have to pack it up and move away.
465
00:28:54,234 --> 00:28:57,279
Look at you buying the first round. What--
466
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,488
Thanks for meeting me.
467
00:28:59,364 --> 00:29:00,407
Hey, you all right?
468
00:29:03,076 --> 00:29:04,077
Butch...
469
00:29:06,246 --> 00:29:07,915
I can't do this anymore.
470
00:29:10,334 --> 00:29:12,544
I get how there's politics here.
I'm not an idiot.
471
00:29:12,628 --> 00:29:16,715
But I don't get how
people can stray so far from the facts.
472
00:29:16,715 --> 00:29:22,137
And I'm just...
I just can't stomach it anymore.
473
00:29:24,306 --> 00:29:27,935
Look, I overreacted.
We have a damn good case.
474
00:29:27,935 --> 00:29:31,271
No. You were exactly right.
475
00:29:31,355 --> 00:29:34,316
There's way more at play here
than just a set of facts,
476
00:29:34,316 --> 00:29:35,901
and I should open my eyes to it.
477
00:29:37,819 --> 00:29:39,404
I should've listened to you, but...
478
00:29:41,448 --> 00:29:43,825
now that I see where this train is going,
I've gotta get off of it
479
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:45,536
for my own sanity.
-No, Virginia.
480
00:29:45,536 --> 00:29:46,703
No, I'm not you.
481
00:29:49,081 --> 00:29:50,082
I just...
482
00:29:53,377 --> 00:29:56,046
I can't not
take this all incredibly personally.
483
00:29:57,297 --> 00:29:58,757
And it's tearing me apart.
484
00:30:04,429 --> 00:30:06,765
I've loved every minute
of working with you, Butch.
485
00:30:10,435 --> 00:30:11,645
But I'm done.
486
00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:20,445
Can I argue this with you?
-Please don't.
487
00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:21,822
It's hard enough.
488
00:30:24,908 --> 00:30:26,410
We made a great team.
489
00:31:04,948 --> 00:31:07,784
Sir, they're almost ready for you.
490
00:31:18,253 --> 00:31:19,171
Thank you, dear.
491
00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:25,636
Thank y'all for coming out here today.
492
00:31:26,678 --> 00:31:29,014
I wanna clarify my prior statement.
493
00:31:29,806 --> 00:31:32,768
When I said I'd seen
no evidence of homicide
494
00:31:33,352 --> 00:31:36,063
thus far in the investigation
at Memorial Hospital,
495
00:31:36,063 --> 00:31:38,607
I did not mean that homicide was not
496
00:31:38,607 --> 00:31:41,276
the manner of death
of patients at Memorial.
497
00:31:42,027 --> 00:31:46,406
That is still to be determined and will be
the subject of further investigation
498
00:31:46,907 --> 00:31:50,953
and a presentation I will make
to the special grand jury.
499
00:31:50,953 --> 00:31:52,037
Thank you.
500
00:31:55,499 --> 00:31:58,961
How can he say one thing and then
say something completely different?
501
00:31:59,711 --> 00:32:00,712
I don't know.
502
00:32:00,796 --> 00:32:03,423
...now saying he has not ruled out homicide.
503
00:32:03,507 --> 00:32:04,591
I'm gonna go do some work.
504
00:32:05,384 --> 00:32:08,846
Darling, maybe you should
take it easy for just a little bit.
505
00:32:08,846 --> 00:32:12,474
What am I gonna do? Sit around, worrying
about some outcome that I can't control?
506
00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:15,686
No, but what about this?
How about we take a trip, huh?
507
00:32:16,186 --> 00:32:18,480
Come on. Just the two of us.
We could just go down to Florida.
508
00:32:18,564 --> 00:32:21,900
And have someone take a picture of me
sitting on some beach vacationing?
509
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,946
Vince, I know your heart
is in the right place, but that's not me.
510
00:32:25,946 --> 00:32:27,656
That's-- You know me.
511
00:32:27,656 --> 00:32:30,659
I have to keep busy.
That's how I keep myself sane.
512
00:32:39,585 --> 00:32:40,627
You may be seated.
513
00:32:45,299 --> 00:32:47,301
Good morning.
-Morning. Morning.
514
00:32:47,301 --> 00:32:49,136
Ladies and gentlemen,
you have been selected
515
00:32:49,136 --> 00:32:52,723
as members of
the special grand jury for Orleans Parish.
516
00:32:53,765 --> 00:32:55,392
Now, you will hear evidence,
517
00:32:55,392 --> 00:32:57,436
and you will be guided
in your decision-making
518
00:32:57,436 --> 00:32:59,438
by the district attorney's office.
519
00:33:00,856 --> 00:33:02,649
This is not a trial.
520
00:33:03,317 --> 00:33:06,528
You will not be hearing
impassioned arguments from both sides.
521
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:10,115
Instead, the district attorney's office
will lead you
522
00:33:10,199 --> 00:33:13,619
through information that they
have gathered on this particular case.
523
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:19,416
They and I will provide instruction,
and you will indict when warranted.
524
00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:24,796
You will also keep secret all of
what goes on in here. Is that understood?
525
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,548
Yes. Yes, Your Honor.
526
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:29,635
Then your service has commenced.
527
00:33:32,638 --> 00:33:35,098
And we won't know anything
until they make a decision.
528
00:33:35,766 --> 00:33:41,730
What they do behind closed doors
goes on in total secrecy. All of it.
529
00:33:44,024 --> 00:33:49,446
If you asked me to devise
the most exquisite torture imaginable,
530
00:33:51,323 --> 00:33:52,616
this would be it.
531
00:33:54,117 --> 00:33:55,118
Yeah.
532
00:33:56,495 --> 00:34:01,124
A trial, no matter the verdict,
is gonna completely ruin me, Rick.
533
00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:05,087
What am I gonna do?
534
00:34:10,092 --> 00:34:11,342
All right, everyone.
535
00:34:12,386 --> 00:34:13,428
This is Maya.
536
00:34:13,512 --> 00:34:17,391
She's a 49-year-old woman
with recurrent pharyngeal carcinoma.
537
00:34:17,975 --> 00:34:20,686
We're gonna be working here for a while,
538
00:34:20,768 --> 00:34:24,231
so I want all of us to stay focused.
539
00:34:24,313 --> 00:34:25,482
Okay.
540
00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:29,402
We're gonna do all we can
for her with God's help.
541
00:34:29,402 --> 00:34:30,821
Amen.
542
00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:46,753
Dr. Pou, you were amazing today.
543
00:34:49,005 --> 00:34:51,175
We did some good work. All of us.
544
00:34:52,634 --> 00:34:56,929
Doc, I just wanted to let you know,
I contributed to your defense fund.
545
00:34:59,224 --> 00:35:02,811
Monica. Thank you.
546
00:35:03,395 --> 00:35:05,522
You're the kind of woman I wanna be.
547
00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:08,650
And I'm praying for you.
548
00:35:11,862 --> 00:35:15,949
Thank you. Yeah, I'm praying for me too.
549
00:35:37,304 --> 00:35:40,224
Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury, welcome back.
550
00:35:41,642 --> 00:35:44,686
Michael Morales, present
on behalf of the State of Louisiana.
551
00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:47,272
The grand jurors have a return
on this matter, Your Honor.
552
00:35:47,356 --> 00:35:49,316
In the case of Anna Pou,
553
00:35:49,316 --> 00:35:52,236
you've been asked to consider
a ten-count bill of indictment.
554
00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:54,488
One count of second-degree murder
555
00:35:54,488 --> 00:35:58,116
and nine counts of conspiracy
to commit second-degree murder.
556
00:35:58,784 --> 00:35:59,910
What say you?
557
00:36:21,014 --> 00:36:25,561
In each of these ten counts it is noted,
"Not a true bill of indictment."
558
00:36:25,561 --> 00:36:26,812
Is that correct?
559
00:36:27,396 --> 00:36:28,689
Yes, Your Honor.
560
00:36:29,189 --> 00:36:33,735
Very well then.
This matter and your service is concluded.
561
00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:37,239
An update now
on a controversial criminal case.
562
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,116
The grand jury in New Orleans
will not indict
563
00:36:39,116 --> 00:36:42,411
a surgeon accused of killing
four seriously ill hospital patients.
564
00:36:42,411 --> 00:36:46,456
The grand jury have decided
not to bring criminal charges against her.
565
00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:47,541
Anna.
566
00:36:49,042 --> 00:36:50,043
They didn't indict you.
567
00:36:50,127 --> 00:36:51,712
Not on any of the charges.
-Oh, my God.
568
00:36:51,712 --> 00:36:55,174
Oh, my God. Oh, God. Lord, thank you.
-What? What? Nothing?
569
00:36:55,174 --> 00:36:57,092
Oh, Lord, thank you.
570
00:36:57,176 --> 00:36:58,177
Nothing?
571
00:36:59,052 --> 00:37:00,179
No.
572
00:37:08,395 --> 00:37:10,355
District Attorney Jordan.
573
00:37:10,439 --> 00:37:11,982
What do you think
of the grand jury's decision?
574
00:37:11,982 --> 00:37:15,027
I agree with the grand jury. Thank you.
575
00:37:15,027 --> 00:37:16,778
Mr. Morales, your comment, please?
576
00:37:16,862 --> 00:37:18,238
Please take a copy.
577
00:37:18,322 --> 00:37:21,867
You'll see that forensic experts
from all over the country
578
00:37:21,867 --> 00:37:25,954
have concluded that the deaths in question
that occurred at Memorial Medical Center,
579
00:37:26,038 --> 00:37:27,748
they were homicides.
580
00:37:28,707 --> 00:37:32,127
If that's the case, sir,
then why didn't the grand jury indict?
581
00:37:32,211 --> 00:37:35,839
Because they didn't hear directly
from any of these forensic experts.
582
00:37:35,923 --> 00:37:39,218
Why not?
-You'll have to ask the DA that.
583
00:37:39,218 --> 00:37:42,346
Do you think it's fair to judge Dr. Pou
on the decisions she made
584
00:37:42,346 --> 00:37:45,182
given the incredibly horrific conditions
that existed?
585
00:37:45,182 --> 00:37:47,100
I refuse to accept that the conditions
586
00:37:47,184 --> 00:37:49,686
were any excuse
for the taking of a human life.
587
00:37:50,437 --> 00:37:53,357
What is the value of a human life?
588
00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:57,653
What conditions can possibly justify
the taking of human lives?
589
00:37:57,653 --> 00:38:00,030
These are the questions
that this case raises.
590
00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:04,785
So, no. I do not believe
in any way, shape or form
591
00:38:04,785 --> 00:38:07,496
that the grand jury
reached the right conclusion.
592
00:38:14,962 --> 00:38:15,963
Butch?
593
00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:19,132
Are you okay?
594
00:38:19,216 --> 00:38:20,717
Yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
595
00:38:26,056 --> 00:38:28,267
Hon, I know you don't like
to discuss your cases,
596
00:38:28,267 --> 00:38:33,105
but...
I'm sorry this one didn't go your way.
597
00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:39,778
That hospital,
it wasn't a damn battlefield
598
00:38:39,862 --> 00:38:42,573
with mortar shells coming in.
It was a shelter.
599
00:38:42,573 --> 00:38:46,076
They had food and water and rescue boats.
600
00:38:47,578 --> 00:38:51,582
Wouldn't somebody rather risk
getting carried downstairs
601
00:38:51,582 --> 00:38:54,918
or, hell, lowered out a window,
rather than not try at all?
602
00:38:55,002 --> 00:38:56,712
Why would you not at least try
to get him out?
603
00:38:57,796 --> 00:39:01,383
If you're a doctor, you get to just decide
who lives and who dies?
604
00:39:01,383 --> 00:39:02,926
If you feel like giving your patients
605
00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:05,137
huge doses of morphine
and Versed cocktail,
606
00:39:05,137 --> 00:39:06,221
that's your call?
607
00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:12,060
And how do you ignore the fact
608
00:39:12,144 --> 00:39:15,314
that other people were evacuating people
609
00:39:15,314 --> 00:39:18,066
at the same time
that you were "giving comfort"?
610
00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:27,201
These poor people.
611
00:39:30,078 --> 00:39:33,207
These poor folks, they had no idea
what was happening to them.
612
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,962
They had no way of defending themselves.
613
00:39:42,883 --> 00:39:48,305
This really hurts, Lin.
Lin, this really hurts.
614
00:39:49,389 --> 00:39:50,432
I know.
615
00:40:03,403 --> 00:40:05,405
I wanted to make sure you got this back.
616
00:40:11,453 --> 00:40:13,372
I wish we could've done
a better job for you.
617
00:40:14,248 --> 00:40:15,707
Wasn't your fault.
618
00:40:16,375 --> 00:40:20,712
Dr. Pou and all those people with power,
they lined up right behind her.
619
00:40:22,631 --> 00:40:29,555
Emmett. He was my high school sweetheart.
620
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,018
I met him when I needed a date
to the junior prom.
621
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,440
He was the brother of a friend of mine,
and I'd seen him sitting on the porch.
622
00:40:41,525 --> 00:40:43,110
So I said to my friend,
623
00:40:43,110 --> 00:40:45,696
"Go ask your brother
if he wanna take me to the prom."
624
00:40:47,739 --> 00:40:48,782
And he did.
625
00:40:50,868 --> 00:40:51,869
Emmett.
626
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,539
He used to say to me,
"Girl, you gonna be my wife."
627
00:40:56,540 --> 00:41:01,420
And I said, "Boy, you'd be
the last person on Earth I'd marry."
628
00:41:02,379 --> 00:41:03,714
Just to throw him off.
629
00:41:06,383 --> 00:41:10,679
He was the most loving,
caring man I have ever met.
630
00:41:12,055 --> 00:41:13,473
I wish I could've met him.
631
00:41:17,144 --> 00:41:20,189
There ain't
no statute of limitations on murder.
632
00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:27,696
I've been waiting a long time for justice.
I can wait a little while longer.
633
00:41:43,795 --> 00:41:47,257
Hey, look at this.
It's the Ghost of Christmas Past.
634
00:41:47,841 --> 00:41:49,760
Yeah. Still haunting you.
635
00:41:50,636 --> 00:41:52,554
Just came by to get the rest of my things.
636
00:41:53,472 --> 00:41:55,349
No one's taken your spot out front, I see.
637
00:41:56,308 --> 00:41:58,560
Yeah, just taking a quiet five.
638
00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:03,649
I guess you were smart
to get out when you did, huh?
639
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,444
Doesn't make it any easier to stomach.
640
00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:14,034
Pardon my French, but what the fuck
happened in there?
641
00:42:16,245 --> 00:42:19,873
Among other things,
they never called Kristy Johnson.
642
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:22,251
What?
643
00:42:23,043 --> 00:42:25,295
How do you not call
the eyewitness to a murder?
644
00:42:25,379 --> 00:42:26,713
And it doesn't look like any
645
00:42:26,797 --> 00:42:29,633
of the outside forensic experts
testified, either.
646
00:42:29,633 --> 00:42:30,926
What were they thinking?
647
00:42:31,635 --> 00:42:34,054
That is a profound question.
648
00:42:36,306 --> 00:42:41,353
But the records of the special grand jury
are permanently sealed,
649
00:42:41,353 --> 00:42:42,646
so we'll never know.
650
00:42:44,857 --> 00:42:47,734
I can't help but think that
we fucked up by just going after Pou.
651
00:42:49,486 --> 00:42:56,034
It was a river of evidence that flowed
a certain way, and we had to follow it.
652
00:42:57,369 --> 00:42:58,745
Led us right to Pou.
653
00:42:59,246 --> 00:43:03,625
Yeah, to a doctor who was exemplary
in every way. Except for when she wasn't.
654
00:43:09,256 --> 00:43:10,299
Onward.
655
00:43:13,802 --> 00:43:15,512
I'm glad I ran into you, Butch.
656
00:43:16,096 --> 00:43:17,097
Me too.
657
00:43:19,391 --> 00:43:21,143
You take care of yourself, Virginia.
658
00:43:22,895 --> 00:43:23,896
Bye.
659
00:43:58,263 --> 00:43:59,556
Ladies and gentlemen
660
00:44:00,265 --> 00:44:03,519
it is my privilege tonight
661
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:08,315
to introduce our guest of honor,
Dr. Anna Pou.
662
00:44:08,315 --> 00:44:11,443
Whoo! Yeah!
663
00:44:15,447 --> 00:44:18,408
Thank you. Thank y'all very much.
664
00:44:19,576 --> 00:44:24,915
Thank you. I'm just gonna
make a few very brief remarks.
665
00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:28,085
None of us here in this room
666
00:44:28,085 --> 00:44:31,713
will ever forget
what happened during Katrina.
667
00:44:31,797 --> 00:44:33,674
We each have our own stories to tell.
668
00:44:34,758 --> 00:44:38,971
What happened to me
inside Memorial Hospital...
669
00:44:41,723 --> 00:44:43,141
is hard to describe.
670
00:44:44,226 --> 00:44:48,856
The heat, the stench, the lack of power,
671
00:44:49,481 --> 00:44:52,609
the chaos as we tried
to evacuate the patients.
672
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,949
Then on Wednesday the evacuation
stopped. They just stopped.
673
00:44:58,949 --> 00:45:01,410
We don't know why. No one told us why.
674
00:45:02,244 --> 00:45:03,745
Then on Thursday,
675
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:08,625
we were told that everyone
must be out of the hospital today.
676
00:45:08,709 --> 00:45:12,212
And after five sleepless days and nights,
FEMA called, said,
677
00:45:12,796 --> 00:45:14,506
"We're taking all the airboats at noon,
678
00:45:14,590 --> 00:45:18,427
so whoever you can get
out of the hospital, get them out by then,
679
00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:20,888
because they can no longer stay inside."
680
00:45:21,847 --> 00:45:23,765
The Coast Guard sent helicopters,
681
00:45:23,849 --> 00:45:27,394
but they didn't arrive
until Thursday afternoon.
682
00:45:29,479 --> 00:45:31,940
I should note something
that I didn't know.
683
00:45:32,774 --> 00:45:35,360
Coast Guard helicopters
can't fly at night.
684
00:45:38,447 --> 00:45:44,912
We did not get the type of support
that we needed to evacuate patients.
685
00:45:45,412 --> 00:45:46,413
Far from it.
686
00:45:46,413 --> 00:45:48,916
We were left on our own
687
00:45:48,916 --> 00:45:55,339
by local, state and federal governments
that totally failed us.
688
00:45:55,339 --> 00:45:57,049
We were abandoned.
689
00:45:59,927 --> 00:46:02,638
We were abandoned.
690
00:46:05,432 --> 00:46:07,226
Now, I'm just a doctor.
691
00:46:10,187 --> 00:46:16,735
The duty to care sounds easy.
Sounds great.
692
00:46:17,277 --> 00:46:21,240
But in practice, it is not always so.
693
00:46:23,951 --> 00:46:29,164
I know in my heart that every single one
of us in that hospital
694
00:46:29,873 --> 00:46:33,836
did everything we could
to comfort and to care.
695
00:46:33,836 --> 00:46:38,215
No one was abandoned.
No one was neglected.
696
00:46:39,424 --> 00:46:42,344
And everybody was treated with dignity.
697
00:46:43,303 --> 00:46:49,977
And although my life was changed forever
on July 17th, 2006, the day of my arrest,
698
00:46:49,977 --> 00:46:54,022
I do not look upon my circumstances
with bitterness,
699
00:46:54,898 --> 00:46:58,527
because God has been really phenomenal.
700
00:46:59,194 --> 00:47:05,325
And he sent me so many people
to help me through this. He did.
701
00:47:05,409 --> 00:47:07,536
He sent my friends...
702
00:47:10,247 --> 00:47:13,750
my family, my patients,
703
00:47:14,334 --> 00:47:17,880
nurses, my fellow doctors.
704
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,091
I see so many of you
sitting here in this very room.
705
00:47:22,926 --> 00:47:25,304
I wouldn't be here without all of you.
706
00:47:25,888 --> 00:47:28,891
The courage and the strength
that you have given me
707
00:47:28,891 --> 00:47:30,517
are truly a gift from God.
708
00:47:31,935 --> 00:47:34,855
So your love and the greatness of God,
709
00:47:34,855 --> 00:47:37,232
that is what got me
out of bed every morning.
710
00:47:37,774 --> 00:47:41,028
I consider myself
one of the luckiest people in the world
711
00:47:41,028 --> 00:47:44,114
because of your support.
And for that, I thank you.
712
00:47:44,198 --> 00:47:45,199
Yeah!
713
00:47:46,033 --> 00:47:50,787
Thank you very much
from the bottom of my heart. Thank you.
714
00:47:53,498 --> 00:47:55,209
Thank you.
715
00:48:00,797 --> 00:48:03,383
Thank you. Thank you.
716
00:48:39,294 --> 00:48:40,629
Hello, Anna.
-Horace.
717
00:48:41,588 --> 00:48:42,923
I'm so happy to see you here.
718
00:48:43,465 --> 00:48:44,591
How's Vince?
719
00:48:45,175 --> 00:48:46,301
He's good. Where is he?
720
00:48:47,135 --> 00:48:50,180
He's over there dancing.
-Yeah.
721
00:48:52,224 --> 00:48:54,309
Ready to cut loose after this last year.
722
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:56,770
I can only imagine.
723
00:48:56,854 --> 00:48:59,273
It's been surreal, Horace.
724
00:48:59,273 --> 00:49:00,691
It's been surreal.
725
00:49:00,691 --> 00:49:03,068
It's-- That is the only way
that I can describe it.
726
00:49:07,781 --> 00:49:13,078
Anna, FEMA didn't take away the airboats.
727
00:49:13,745 --> 00:49:16,081
They were run by volunteers.
728
00:49:17,875 --> 00:49:23,422
And they couldn't have called us to tell
us, because our phones weren't working.
729
00:49:25,215 --> 00:49:31,513
And you do know that the Coast Guard
helicopters did fly at night.
730
00:49:32,014 --> 00:49:34,183
They used night-vision goggles.
731
00:49:35,392 --> 00:49:36,977
They made rescues throughout.
732
00:49:36,977 --> 00:49:40,814
It wasn't as if the Coast Guard
didn't try to save patients.
733
00:49:40,898 --> 00:49:44,151
Horace. They didn't fly at night.
734
00:49:47,613 --> 00:49:49,072
Ask Vince. He's a pilot.
735
00:49:49,156 --> 00:49:52,117
Anna, I was at Memorial too.
736
00:49:53,577 --> 00:49:58,415
Just because you remember things one way,
doesn't make them true.
737
00:50:07,049 --> 00:50:08,133
Man.
738
00:50:12,846 --> 00:50:14,097
I wish you well.