1 00:00:12,846 --> 00:00:16,099 Dr. Baltz, thank you for meeting with us again. 2 00:00:16,767 --> 00:00:20,729 We want to drill down on that fifth day. September 1st. 3 00:00:20,729 --> 00:00:21,855 We're all gonna die. 4 00:00:21,939 --> 00:00:24,024 It was anarchy. 5 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:28,070 No one knew what was going on. No one was in charge. 6 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:32,073 And decisions were made that should not have been made. 7 00:00:32,573 --> 00:00:35,244 We need to seriously lower our head count, 8 00:00:35,244 --> 00:00:38,956 and I think that you should evacuate with the next group. 9 00:00:38,956 --> 00:00:40,040 Evacuate? 10 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:43,961 Susan, I can't evacuate, I'm a doctor. 11 00:00:43,961 --> 00:00:45,504 Doctors look after patients. 12 00:00:45,504 --> 00:00:49,675 Horace, there is nothing else any of us can do. 13 00:00:49,675 --> 00:00:52,386 I was told to get ready to leave, right then. 14 00:00:53,470 --> 00:00:59,017 That I was going to be sent out on a rescue boat. 15 00:01:14,908 --> 00:01:17,077 I have a tremendous sense of guilt about it. 16 00:01:18,954 --> 00:01:21,623 About not staying there to the very end. 17 00:01:27,004 --> 00:01:33,969 True heroism would have been to remember why we're doctors, 18 00:01:33,969 --> 00:01:37,598 and no matter how bad the circumstances are, 19 00:01:37,598 --> 00:01:41,602 to adhere to our oath, "Do no harm." 20 00:01:45,898 --> 00:01:51,028 But in all that chaos, people just cast off who they were. 21 00:01:51,612 --> 00:01:55,407 And this blindness just swept in and took over everything. 22 00:01:59,786 --> 00:02:01,997 It took over everything. 23 00:02:05,918 --> 00:02:11,006 Wade in the water 24 00:02:12,549 --> 00:02:17,554 Wade in the water, children 25 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,435 Wade in the water 26 00:02:23,519 --> 00:02:28,732 Wade in the water, children 27 00:02:28,732 --> 00:02:33,403 Wade in the water 28 00:02:33,487 --> 00:02:38,784 God is gonna trouble these waters 29 00:02:38,784 --> 00:02:42,871 Man went down to the river 30 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:48,752 Man went down to the river, Lord 31 00:02:48,836 --> 00:02:53,006 Man went down to the river 32 00:02:53,841 --> 00:02:57,511 Went down there for to pray 33 00:02:59,137 --> 00:03:02,975 Wade in the water 34 00:03:04,226 --> 00:03:09,064 Wade in the water, children 35 00:03:09,064 --> 00:03:13,026 Wade in the water 36 00:03:13,735 --> 00:03:18,740 God is gonna trouble these waters 37 00:03:23,871 --> 00:03:29,877 God's gonna trouble these waters 38 00:03:47,477 --> 00:03:49,062 Afternoon, everybody. 39 00:03:49,855 --> 00:03:53,525 Memorial Hospital is a hospital in the city of New Orleans. 40 00:03:53,609 --> 00:03:56,528 It's a big hospital, been there a long time. 41 00:03:56,612 --> 00:04:00,324 Inside that hospital is a smaller hospital called Lakeside. 42 00:04:00,324 --> 00:04:01,408 LifeCare. 43 00:04:02,367 --> 00:04:05,329 LifeCare. LifeCare has acute care patients, 44 00:04:05,329 --> 00:04:08,874 some of whom, it is alleged, were killed by lethal injection. 45 00:04:08,874 --> 00:04:12,878 Dr. Anna Pou and two nurses, Cheri Landry and Lori Budo, 46 00:04:12,878 --> 00:04:17,089 have been arrested on four charges of principal to second degree murder. 47 00:04:17,173 --> 00:04:22,596 Four patients were injected with morphine and "mazdolome." 48 00:04:23,597 --> 00:04:24,640 Midazolam. 49 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,726 Midazolam, otherwise known as Versed. 50 00:04:28,727 --> 00:04:30,479 Now, either drug can kill you, 51 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:33,232 but when you put them together, you get a lethal cocktail. 52 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:37,152 Medical professionals perhaps thought maybe they were God. 53 00:04:37,236 --> 00:04:42,699 They were entrusted with looking after the safety of people who needed help. 54 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:48,497 This is not euthanasia. This is plain and simple homicide. 55 00:04:49,122 --> 00:04:50,332 The case now goes 56 00:04:50,332 --> 00:04:54,127 to the offices of Orleans Parish district attorney, Eddie Jordan, 57 00:04:54,211 --> 00:04:57,589 who will choose whether to pursue indictments for murder from a grand jury. 58 00:04:58,423 --> 00:04:59,424 Thank you. 59 00:05:00,551 --> 00:05:02,845 More fallout from Hurricane Katrina on Tuesday-- 60 00:05:02,845 --> 00:05:06,557 A doctor and two nurses are charged with murder. 61 00:05:06,557 --> 00:05:09,351 ...facing charges that they murdered four patients 62 00:05:09,351 --> 00:05:11,103 at Memorial Hospital in New Orleans. 63 00:05:11,103 --> 00:05:14,398 What kind of law enforcement goes after doctors and nurses 64 00:05:14,398 --> 00:05:16,483 who stayed at their posts during a crisis? 65 00:05:17,067 --> 00:05:20,571 The attorney general's office arrested three upstanding medical professionals 66 00:05:20,571 --> 00:05:23,991 so he could have himself a media event to bolster his own reputation. 67 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:25,993 Is your client, Dr. Pou, innocent? 68 00:05:25,993 --> 00:05:28,412 Yes. No doubt. Absolutely. 69 00:05:28,412 --> 00:05:30,706 There was no criminal misconduct. 70 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:33,083 Here, you see this affidavit? 71 00:05:34,376 --> 00:05:36,420 This is just a piece of paper with allegations on it, 72 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:39,298 and like every piece of paper, it's got two sides. 73 00:05:41,258 --> 00:05:44,887 There's no motive here, and there is no homicide. 74 00:05:47,097 --> 00:05:48,599 What am I gonna do, Vince? 75 00:05:49,183 --> 00:05:51,643 How can I go outside? What are people gonna think of me? 76 00:05:51,727 --> 00:05:53,145 What they're gonna think-- 77 00:05:53,145 --> 00:05:56,982 They're gonna think you're being falsely persecuted, which you are. 78 00:05:59,443 --> 00:06:00,485 Yeah, hello? 79 00:06:01,778 --> 00:06:03,155 Nope, she's not available. 80 00:06:03,906 --> 00:06:04,907 Excuse me? 81 00:06:06,116 --> 00:06:08,202 Yeah, it doesn't matter who I am. Okay? 82 00:06:09,203 --> 00:06:10,204 No, I cannot. 83 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:14,208 You know what? I'm just going to unplug the damn thing. 84 00:06:16,585 --> 00:06:19,671 There's still six or seven of them lurking around out there. 85 00:06:19,755 --> 00:06:21,423 You're kidding me. -This is surreal. 86 00:06:22,966 --> 00:06:25,260 I have to surrender my passport. 87 00:06:25,344 --> 00:06:27,721 We have to show up with $100,000 in bail by Thursday, 88 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:29,473 or they're gonna put me back in jail. 89 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:32,100 I cannot believe this is actually happening. 90 00:06:36,438 --> 00:06:38,607 Mine's off. They found yours? 91 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:45,405 Hello. -Vince, it's Dan Nuss. How are you doing? 92 00:06:45,489 --> 00:06:50,661 Hey, Dan. We're doing the best we can, honestly. 93 00:06:50,661 --> 00:06:52,496 Listen, I'm trying to reach Anna. 94 00:06:52,496 --> 00:06:55,165 Yeah. All right. Just hang on a minute. 95 00:06:56,834 --> 00:06:58,126 Hi, Dan. 96 00:06:58,210 --> 00:07:00,587 Anna, I'm so sorry. 97 00:07:00,671 --> 00:07:05,259 What's going on, what they're putting you through, it just sickens me. 98 00:07:05,259 --> 00:07:08,762 Everyone's on your side, and people are asking what they can do. 99 00:07:08,846 --> 00:07:10,180 That's reassuring to hear. 100 00:07:10,264 --> 00:07:14,101 So, here's what I propose. I want to set up a legal defense fund for you. 101 00:07:14,685 --> 00:07:16,103 Dan, that's not necessary. 102 00:07:16,103 --> 00:07:19,439 Yes, it is. Let's be pragmatic. You're gonna need the money. 103 00:07:19,523 --> 00:07:21,650 And people all wanna help. 104 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:23,694 That is incredibly thoughtful. 105 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:25,445 Please. 106 00:07:25,988 --> 00:07:29,324 That a few disgruntled individuals can make these ridiculous allegations. 107 00:07:29,408 --> 00:07:30,784 And then, suddenly this whole thing 108 00:07:30,868 --> 00:07:34,872 becomes a absurd sensational national news story? 109 00:07:34,872 --> 00:07:36,874 As I said, it sickens me. 110 00:07:36,874 --> 00:07:41,211 I cannot tell you just how much I appreciate this call and your support. 111 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:45,048 Of course. We're all here for you. 112 00:07:45,966 --> 00:07:46,967 Battle's on. 113 00:07:46,967 --> 00:07:49,636 We do all this work, and Foti can't even get the names right. 114 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,931 Yeah. All that matters is what the New Orleans district attorney does. 115 00:07:53,015 --> 00:07:54,349 What do you know about him? 116 00:07:54,433 --> 00:07:56,935 I'm not sure where Eddie Jordan's heart and mind is on this. 117 00:07:57,019 --> 00:07:58,020 Great. 118 00:08:00,647 --> 00:08:03,692 We just need to make this case as undeniable as possible to him. 119 00:08:03,692 --> 00:08:07,696 The first thing any DA's gonna wanna know is how the experts classify these deaths. 120 00:08:08,572 --> 00:08:11,867 So that's where we're gonna focus, on the forensic evidence. 121 00:08:14,912 --> 00:08:17,956 I promised a night on the town for coming to consult. 122 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,000 So I got us a table at Galatoire's. 123 00:08:20,792 --> 00:08:22,878 Then we'll see what kind of trouble we get into after that. 124 00:08:22,878 --> 00:08:25,088 Bunch of pathologists on a bar crawl. 125 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:27,382 Doesn't get much better than that. 126 00:08:28,175 --> 00:08:31,136 Butch, the DA is coming to this meeting, or not? 127 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:33,304 Eddie Jordan knows about the meeting. 128 00:08:33,388 --> 00:08:35,849 Let's just get started. We can catch him up. 129 00:08:35,933 --> 00:08:37,768 Robert, do you want to lead off? 130 00:08:37,768 --> 00:08:42,523 Sure. So, my lab took a look at tissue samples from 41 bodies. 131 00:08:42,523 --> 00:08:46,818 Twenty-three of them tested positive for morphine or midazolam, or both. 132 00:08:46,902 --> 00:08:49,363 Okay, what's your analysis of the levels? 133 00:08:49,363 --> 00:08:51,949 These drug concentrations, they seem very high to me. 134 00:08:51,949 --> 00:08:53,700 They're sticking out like a sore thumb. 135 00:08:53,784 --> 00:08:58,205 Given the condition of the bodies, your results, do you think they're valid? 136 00:08:58,205 --> 00:09:00,624 Absolutely. Yes, I do. 137 00:09:01,542 --> 00:09:04,378 All right, then. Let's go through the patients one by one. 138 00:09:05,087 --> 00:09:09,550 Alice Hutzler, 90-year-old LifeCare patient being treated for pneumonia. 139 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:13,220 Wednesday night, she had no documented complaints of pain or distress 140 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:14,805 that indicated a need for these drugs. 141 00:09:14,805 --> 00:09:17,349 Yet she was dead on Thursday afternoon. 142 00:09:17,349 --> 00:09:20,769 With morphine and midazolam in her liver, brain and muscle tissue. 143 00:09:20,853 --> 00:09:24,106 Neither of which was prescribed. -Now, looking at these results, 144 00:09:24,106 --> 00:09:27,985 my analysis, Michael, let me know if you concur, is homicide. 145 00:09:28,569 --> 00:09:29,820 I concur. 146 00:09:30,779 --> 00:09:31,905 Rose Savoie. 147 00:09:31,989 --> 00:09:34,992 Both drugs present, no medical need indicated. Homicide. 148 00:09:34,992 --> 00:09:36,910 Agreed. -Wilda McManus. 149 00:09:37,494 --> 00:09:38,620 Homicide. 150 00:09:40,205 --> 00:09:41,790 Emmett Everett. 151 00:09:44,084 --> 00:09:48,297 This patient was apparently aware, conscious and alert. 152 00:09:49,464 --> 00:09:51,466 With neither drug prescribed. 153 00:09:52,050 --> 00:09:54,011 Homicide. -I concur. 154 00:09:59,433 --> 00:10:00,434 Sorry I'm late. 155 00:10:03,353 --> 00:10:05,189 Who are you? -I'm assistant district attorney, 156 00:10:05,189 --> 00:10:06,315 Michael Morales. Who are you? 157 00:10:06,315 --> 00:10:10,152 I'm Butch Schafer. This is Virginia Rider. We're from the attorney general's office. 158 00:10:10,652 --> 00:10:13,030 Where's Eddie Jordan? -I'm here on his behalf. 159 00:10:13,030 --> 00:10:16,283 The DA's got something better to do than look into 20-plus possible murders? 160 00:10:16,283 --> 00:10:18,577 I'm the lead prosecutor on this case. 161 00:10:18,577 --> 00:10:20,287 If you have something to share, let's hear it. 162 00:10:20,871 --> 00:10:23,248 Mr. Morales, can we talk privately for a minute? 163 00:10:25,667 --> 00:10:27,503 Mr. Morales, I'm sure you would agree 164 00:10:27,503 --> 00:10:30,464 that the toxicology reports in this case are critical. 165 00:10:30,464 --> 00:10:31,715 Obviously. 166 00:10:31,715 --> 00:10:35,260 We got the city coroner, two outside forensic pathology experts 167 00:10:35,344 --> 00:10:37,179 and the director of one of the nation's top labs, 168 00:10:37,179 --> 00:10:40,057 who all flew in here to examine the evidence. 169 00:10:40,724 --> 00:10:42,351 It feels like Eddie Jordan should be here. 170 00:10:42,351 --> 00:10:45,687 The attorney general knew that we were gonna be the ones prosecuting this case, 171 00:10:45,771 --> 00:10:47,439 but he's chosen to barely involve us. 172 00:10:47,523 --> 00:10:48,982 But this is our goddamn case, 173 00:10:49,066 --> 00:10:50,859 and we'll decide how it's gonna be managed. 174 00:10:50,943 --> 00:10:53,320 So you don't think this case merits the DA's full attention? 175 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,405 Any death in this city merits our full attention. 176 00:10:55,489 --> 00:10:57,908 But I would not call these typical homicides. 177 00:10:57,908 --> 00:11:03,080 Look, I have been a prosecutor, like you, for 27 years. 178 00:11:03,622 --> 00:11:07,501 And I can tell you that we have built you a very good case. A very solid case. 179 00:11:07,501 --> 00:11:10,754 And I'll be the one to decide whether or not that's true. 180 00:11:10,838 --> 00:11:11,797 You ready to go back in? 181 00:11:20,597 --> 00:11:24,977 I am sensing an enthusiasm gap between us and ADA Morales. 182 00:11:25,477 --> 00:11:26,478 You think? 183 00:11:32,776 --> 00:11:35,237 Is anybody still talking to those investigators? 184 00:11:35,904 --> 00:11:38,490 Not without a subpoena or a Tenet lawyer. 185 00:11:38,574 --> 00:11:41,076 Hope nobody else says a goddamn word to them. 186 00:11:41,076 --> 00:11:43,287 If you don't mind me asking, 187 00:11:43,287 --> 00:11:47,499 why shouldn't the staff be willing to talk to the investigators? 188 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:51,086 If they didn't do anything wrong, then what do they have to worry about? 189 00:11:51,628 --> 00:11:53,130 Are you really that naïve, Horace? 190 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:54,548 I was just wondering 191 00:11:54,548 --> 00:11:57,759 why nobody's willing to acknowledge that mistakes were made. 192 00:11:58,427 --> 00:12:00,679 Could I ask you a question, Horace? -Sure. 193 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:04,892 If you were given a choice between comforting a patient, 194 00:12:04,892 --> 00:12:06,602 possibly quickening his death, 195 00:12:06,602 --> 00:12:10,606 or abandoning patients to suffer a slow agonizing death, 196 00:12:11,481 --> 00:12:12,941 which would you choose to do? 197 00:12:13,025 --> 00:12:15,402 Why, I don't believe that was the choice. 198 00:12:15,402 --> 00:12:17,404 You can comfort people without killing them. 199 00:12:17,404 --> 00:12:19,156 And no one had to abandon them. 200 00:12:19,156 --> 00:12:23,076 The fact is that when doctors are given the untenable position 201 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,829 of having to choose who gets care and who does not get care, 202 00:12:25,913 --> 00:12:28,290 there are no right answers, Horace. 203 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:30,459 There's just terrible choices. 204 00:12:30,459 --> 00:12:32,794 That's not what happened. 205 00:12:32,878 --> 00:12:37,674 It isn't? Where was the checklist? The emergency protocols? 206 00:12:37,758 --> 00:12:42,095 Did anybody ever define this criteria by which we were supposed to be operating? 207 00:12:43,347 --> 00:12:49,269 Ewing, all I want is for us to sit down, all together, 208 00:12:49,353 --> 00:12:55,526 and figure out what went wrong so we can learn from this for the future. 209 00:12:58,737 --> 00:13:00,697 I'm gonna get myself some crawfish. 210 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,325 Yeah, me too. 211 00:13:05,536 --> 00:13:07,037 After Hurricane Katrina, 212 00:13:07,037 --> 00:13:10,082 the Superdome became a symbol of loss nationwide. 213 00:13:10,082 --> 00:13:12,501 Now, it's synonymous with hope and recovery. 214 00:13:13,085 --> 00:13:14,837 A massive renovation effort is underway, 215 00:13:14,837 --> 00:13:18,966 with workers laboring seven days a week to fix what was once broken. 216 00:13:41,530 --> 00:13:44,241 We have been asked to cease investigating. 217 00:13:44,241 --> 00:13:47,536 What? Are you kidding me? 218 00:13:49,079 --> 00:13:54,251 Morales has drafted a letter from Eddie Jordan to the attorney general 219 00:13:54,251 --> 00:13:55,961 saying that they don't need us anymore, 220 00:13:55,961 --> 00:13:58,422 that our continued work would not be advantageous. 221 00:13:58,422 --> 00:14:00,174 "Not advantageous?" 222 00:14:00,174 --> 00:14:02,718 We have 50,000 pages of documentary evidence. 223 00:14:02,718 --> 00:14:04,386 They requested a summary. 224 00:14:05,012 --> 00:14:08,015 A summary of 50,000 pages of work. 225 00:14:09,474 --> 00:14:11,059 Okay, how do we respond? 226 00:14:12,477 --> 00:14:14,438 I guess we write him a summary... 227 00:14:17,065 --> 00:14:20,027 and then we drop the 50,000 pages on his ass. 228 00:14:28,076 --> 00:14:29,077 Fuck. 229 00:14:30,787 --> 00:14:32,247 When we talked to Carrie Everett, 230 00:14:32,331 --> 00:14:34,917 the first thing she made clear was that her husband, Emmett, 231 00:14:34,917 --> 00:14:38,128 was not about to die when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. 232 00:14:38,212 --> 00:14:40,047 Mrs. Everett, was your husband near death 233 00:14:40,047 --> 00:14:41,798 when the hurricane hit? -No. 234 00:14:41,882 --> 00:14:43,467 Do you think they didn't want to move him? 235 00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:46,345 Let's be real. You're on the seventh floor. 236 00:14:46,345 --> 00:14:51,308 You got a man, paralyzed, 380 pounds. You really want to risk injuring yourself 237 00:14:51,308 --> 00:14:53,936 to try to carry that man down seven flights of stairs? 238 00:14:53,936 --> 00:14:57,022 Because of his size, that's why you think he may have been killed? 239 00:14:57,022 --> 00:14:59,191 Yes, that's absolutely what I believe. 240 00:14:59,191 --> 00:15:00,984 The hurricane caused... -This ain't bad. 241 00:15:01,068 --> 00:15:03,570 The lawsuits against Tenet and Memorial are getting publicity too. 242 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:05,572 Who's filed so far? 243 00:15:05,656 --> 00:15:09,034 That I know, the families of Emmett Everett, Alice Hutzler, 244 00:15:09,034 --> 00:15:12,746 Rose Savoie and Hollis Alford. -You believe this was murder? 245 00:15:12,746 --> 00:15:15,374 Yes. I think it was murder. 246 00:15:15,374 --> 00:15:16,750 Reporting from New Orleans... 247 00:15:16,834 --> 00:15:20,045 Family members are giving interviews and filing lawsuits. 248 00:15:20,045 --> 00:15:24,049 It's creating a narrative for us that's less than ideal. 249 00:15:24,716 --> 00:15:26,844 What they're saying, it's not true. 250 00:15:26,844 --> 00:15:30,097 Yeah, I know, but family members, it's emotionally powerful. 251 00:15:30,097 --> 00:15:31,849 We got to find a way to counter it. 252 00:15:32,850 --> 00:15:33,851 Like what? 253 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:37,563 I want you to go on 60 Minutes. 254 00:15:38,605 --> 00:15:39,731 They're interested. 255 00:15:40,232 --> 00:15:43,193 It's an opportunity for you to tell your story in your own words. 256 00:15:45,195 --> 00:15:46,613 60 Minutes? 257 00:15:46,697 --> 00:15:48,574 I know you're strong enough to handle it. 258 00:15:48,574 --> 00:15:50,367 They could destroy me. 259 00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:57,207 Or it could be a way for the entire world to see you the way I see you. 260 00:16:01,128 --> 00:16:02,129 Think about it. 261 00:16:19,646 --> 00:16:22,733 If I talk to them, they could twist my words. 262 00:16:23,817 --> 00:16:25,319 You're innocent, Anna. 263 00:16:25,903 --> 00:16:28,280 They need to know who you are. 264 00:16:29,781 --> 00:16:31,283 They need to know you. 265 00:16:31,992 --> 00:16:37,497 That you're a deeply caring person who didn't do anything wrong. 266 00:16:57,559 --> 00:16:59,353 All right, guys. 267 00:17:19,790 --> 00:17:23,085 This summer, Louisiana's attorney general stunned the city 268 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:25,963 when he charged that four of Memorial's dead 269 00:17:25,963 --> 00:17:30,092 did not die from illnesses or even from the horrific conditions. 270 00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:33,345 Tonight, for the first time, we hear from the accused. 271 00:17:34,972 --> 00:17:39,393 It is unbelievably shocking for me that I'm actually sitting here, 272 00:17:39,393 --> 00:17:43,647 having this conversation with you on national TV. 273 00:17:44,982 --> 00:17:49,444 And I want everybody to know that I am not a murderer. 274 00:17:50,028 --> 00:17:53,031 You went from being a highly respected physician 275 00:17:53,115 --> 00:17:57,244 to, in the eyes of the law, a criminal. What did that do to you? 276 00:17:58,203 --> 00:18:02,624 It completely ripped my heart out, 277 00:18:03,125 --> 00:18:08,338 because my entire life, I've tried to do good. 278 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:11,175 And my entire adult life... -She's very compelling. 279 00:18:11,175 --> 00:18:13,260 I have given everything I have... -Yeah. 280 00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:16,180 ...within me to take care of my patients. 281 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:17,389 Were people dying? 282 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:19,600 Yes, people were dying. 283 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,561 From their diseases or from their conditions? 284 00:18:22,561 --> 00:18:27,441 You have to understand that there were very sick people in the hospital. 285 00:18:27,441 --> 00:18:29,359 You had this intense heat, 286 00:18:29,443 --> 00:18:32,404 and we had a lack of all the tools that we normally use. 287 00:18:32,404 --> 00:18:35,824 So people were dying from the horrible conditions 288 00:18:35,908 --> 00:18:38,368 because they were not strong enough to tolerate them. 289 00:18:38,452 --> 00:18:40,662 Jesus. -Bodies were piling up. 290 00:18:40,746 --> 00:18:42,789 The chapel became a morgue. 291 00:18:42,873 --> 00:18:47,002 Then gunshots were heard. There was fear that looters might break in. 292 00:18:47,002 --> 00:18:50,631 Did you figure at any point that you were really done for? 293 00:18:52,466 --> 00:18:57,387 Because you don't know me, you don't know how tough I am. 294 00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:00,933 I don't think anyone gave up hope. 295 00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:04,019 I can tell you I didn't give up hope because, 296 00:19:04,019 --> 00:19:08,941 as a cancer specialist, I give hope to my patients. 297 00:19:10,025 --> 00:19:11,026 I am hope. 298 00:19:11,610 --> 00:19:16,198 She also says she is just not capable of any sort of mercy killing. 299 00:19:16,198 --> 00:19:18,825 I do not believe in euthanasia. 300 00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:25,332 I don't think that it's anyone's decision to make, when a patient dies. 301 00:19:25,874 --> 00:19:30,254 However, what I do believe in is comfort care. 302 00:19:30,254 --> 00:19:35,384 And that means that we ensure that they do not suffer pain. 303 00:19:35,384 --> 00:19:40,055 My role, as I said, is to help them through their pain. 304 00:19:40,681 --> 00:19:42,766 As for Dr. Pou and the nurses, 305 00:19:42,850 --> 00:19:46,520 they are faced with the prospect of life in prison 306 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,566 and the possibility of never practicing medicine again. 307 00:19:50,566 --> 00:19:52,025 That is the thing 308 00:19:53,735 --> 00:20:00,701 that is truly the most painful for me. 309 00:20:02,244 --> 00:20:04,913 I'm very committed, and I love what I do. 310 00:20:04,997 --> 00:20:09,251 I really love it. It is the best thing about my life. 311 00:20:10,919 --> 00:20:12,379 And the fact that 312 00:20:13,630 --> 00:20:18,093 I may not be able to continue to do the thing that I love the most, 313 00:20:18,177 --> 00:20:20,262 where I know I can do a lot of good, 314 00:20:21,013 --> 00:20:24,766 is just phenomenally, phenomenally painful to me. 315 00:20:29,104 --> 00:20:31,982 So, guess what? We got in all the final pathology reports. 316 00:20:32,566 --> 00:20:34,651 Wait. Can't I just have a cup of coffee first? 317 00:20:34,735 --> 00:20:36,069 Not a chance. -Okay. 318 00:20:36,153 --> 00:20:37,821 Baden and Wecht confirmed in writing 319 00:20:37,905 --> 00:20:39,656 what they told in Minyard's office. 320 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:43,035 In Baden's analysis: "Nine deaths from LifeCare were due to drug poisoning." 321 00:20:43,035 --> 00:20:44,953 And Wecht, he analyzed 20 deaths 322 00:20:45,037 --> 00:20:47,623 and concluded that all of them resulted from drug toxicity. 323 00:20:47,623 --> 00:20:49,625 Plus, we got additional reports from Dr. Frank Brescia. 324 00:20:49,625 --> 00:20:50,959 "Homicide in nine cases." 325 00:20:51,043 --> 00:20:52,252 And then Dr. James Young, 326 00:20:52,336 --> 00:20:55,214 who is the president of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. 327 00:20:55,214 --> 00:20:57,966 "All these patients survived the adverse events of the previous days, 328 00:20:58,050 --> 00:20:59,635 and for every patient on a floor to have died 329 00:20:59,635 --> 00:21:02,721 in one three-and-a-half-hour period with drug toxicity is beyond coincidence." 330 00:21:03,305 --> 00:21:04,306 It's irrefutable. 331 00:21:05,182 --> 00:21:08,894 It's not. Nothing's irrefutable. 332 00:21:08,894 --> 00:21:11,522 They're gonna challenge the conditions of the bodies 333 00:21:11,522 --> 00:21:13,440 and Foti's claims about the lethality of the drugs-- 334 00:21:13,524 --> 00:21:16,818 But we got four top medical experts all claiming these were homicides. 335 00:21:17,736 --> 00:21:18,904 Yeah. 336 00:21:20,322 --> 00:21:21,949 What is gonna be enough for you, Butch? 337 00:21:22,699 --> 00:21:23,700 This isn't about me. 338 00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:27,496 What? Do I think these folks were murdered? 339 00:21:27,496 --> 00:21:29,164 Hell yes, of course I do. 340 00:21:29,665 --> 00:21:31,333 But what I'm trying to tell you is that 341 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,085 evidence alone isn't going to get it done here. 342 00:21:33,085 --> 00:21:34,670 Why? Because Pou went on 60 Minutes? 343 00:21:34,670 --> 00:21:36,672 Yeah, and she did incredibly well. 344 00:21:36,672 --> 00:21:39,258 A TV show is not gonna decide this. -You don't think it matters? 345 00:21:39,258 --> 00:21:40,801 No. -Okay. 346 00:21:40,801 --> 00:21:42,511 People in this city, they're gonna want to know, 347 00:21:42,511 --> 00:21:46,390 "Why should Anna Pou, a heroic doctor, go to jail? 348 00:21:47,224 --> 00:21:51,603 Why should she be the one person to take the blame for everything that went wrong?" 349 00:21:53,272 --> 00:21:54,398 You know who didn't get arrested? 350 00:21:54,398 --> 00:21:56,024 Nobody from any corporate entity. 351 00:21:56,775 --> 00:21:59,319 Nobody from Tenet. Nobody from LifeCare. 352 00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:01,947 And what about the government officials? 353 00:22:01,947 --> 00:22:04,491 Why wasn't Governor Blanco arrested? Or Mayor Nagin? 354 00:22:04,575 --> 00:22:07,369 They were the leaders. They were the goddamn people in charge! 355 00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:11,832 That's what we have to overcome. 356 00:22:19,298 --> 00:22:21,925 Look, I'm sor-- I just-- 357 00:22:22,009 --> 00:22:23,719 I'm just trying to be realistic here, 358 00:22:23,719 --> 00:22:25,804 so we can figure out how to get this done. 359 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:28,182 Yeah, so what do you wanna do? 360 00:22:28,182 --> 00:22:31,518 Let's just send all that forensic evidence over to Morales 361 00:22:31,602 --> 00:22:33,896 and maybe put a big red bow on it. 362 00:22:34,938 --> 00:22:36,106 Will do. 363 00:22:42,112 --> 00:22:47,367 Congratulations, Anna. You were fantastic. That could not have gone better. 364 00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:49,578 I hope you're right. -I know I am. 365 00:22:49,578 --> 00:22:51,413 I've been in touch with various medical groups. 366 00:22:51,955 --> 00:22:54,333 Statements of support are pouring in. 367 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:55,417 All right, listen to this. 368 00:22:55,501 --> 00:22:57,836 I just got this from the Louisiana State Medical Society. 369 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,715 "The LSMS is confident that Dr. Pou performed courageously 370 00:23:01,715 --> 00:23:04,009 under the most challenging and horrific conditions, 371 00:23:04,009 --> 00:23:07,930 and made decisions in the best interest of her patients." 372 00:23:07,930 --> 00:23:10,474 The medical community is lining up behind you. 373 00:23:11,058 --> 00:23:12,267 It's very reassuring. 374 00:23:12,351 --> 00:23:14,853 I just got a call from Frank Minyard, the parish coroner. 375 00:23:14,937 --> 00:23:17,940 He saw the interview. He wants to sit with you. 376 00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:20,400 Why would I want to do that? 377 00:23:20,484 --> 00:23:22,819 This is a good thing. Trust me. 378 00:23:26,907 --> 00:23:29,076 It shocks me that we've never met before. 379 00:23:29,660 --> 00:23:32,955 I knew your father well. In fact, I used to come by your house all the time. 380 00:23:33,872 --> 00:23:35,290 I was one of 11 kids. 381 00:23:35,374 --> 00:23:38,919 So, maybe I ran past you or threw up on you, or something. 382 00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:40,754 That could've happened. 383 00:23:41,797 --> 00:23:43,382 Your father was a wonderful man. 384 00:23:43,382 --> 00:23:45,259 And a great physician. -Yes. 385 00:23:45,884 --> 00:23:48,679 And he was especially kind in referring patients to me 386 00:23:48,679 --> 00:23:51,598 when I was starting my OB-GYN practice. 387 00:23:52,558 --> 00:23:55,269 He is the reason that I'm a doctor. 388 00:23:59,314 --> 00:24:00,774 So, how you holding up? 389 00:24:02,192 --> 00:24:05,445 To be honest, it hasn't been easy. 390 00:24:05,529 --> 00:24:07,614 I'm sure it has not. 391 00:24:11,201 --> 00:24:14,246 I do have some idea what you went through. 392 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,749 During the storm, to get to my office downtown, 393 00:24:17,833 --> 00:24:21,420 I had to wade, swim, then hitch a ride on a boat. 394 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:22,504 Oh, my word. 395 00:24:22,588 --> 00:24:24,173 I was stuck there for four days. 396 00:24:25,465 --> 00:24:29,845 How precious did food and water seem? -Yes. 397 00:24:29,845 --> 00:24:32,306 At night, I couldn't sleep for all the sounds of gunshots. 398 00:24:32,306 --> 00:24:33,724 We heard them too. 399 00:24:33,724 --> 00:24:37,436 The people that weren't here, they just can't understand. 400 00:24:37,436 --> 00:24:39,897 No, they cannot. -No. 401 00:24:41,106 --> 00:24:45,777 My job, as I see it, is not just examining bodies. Anybody can do that. 402 00:24:46,737 --> 00:24:49,948 What I do is try to understand why things happened. 403 00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:56,872 I like to get a handle on the people involved, meet them face-to-face if I can. 404 00:25:01,376 --> 00:25:04,046 It's terrible right now, the way our city's being judged. 405 00:25:04,046 --> 00:25:05,339 I couldn't agree more. 406 00:25:05,339 --> 00:25:08,634 I've dealt with over 650 dead bodies from Katrina. 407 00:25:10,135 --> 00:25:13,263 650. And that's just here in New Orleans. 408 00:25:13,347 --> 00:25:14,598 It's unfathomable. 409 00:25:15,641 --> 00:25:18,060 I thank God I was not in that hospital, 410 00:25:19,311 --> 00:25:21,772 that I was not the one who had to make those decisions. 411 00:25:24,024 --> 00:25:25,817 God bless you for all you did. 412 00:25:31,323 --> 00:25:34,243 Thank you. Thank you. 413 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,351 That was Green Day, right here on WVXT Baton Rouge, 414 00:25:59,351 --> 00:26:00,727 home of great rock music. 415 00:26:00,811 --> 00:26:02,855 And now, these local news headlines. 416 00:26:03,397 --> 00:26:06,441 New Orleans coroner, Frank Minyard, released a statement this morning 417 00:26:06,525 --> 00:26:09,111 saying he's found no evidence of homicide 418 00:26:09,111 --> 00:26:11,738 in the case of 45 dead bodies discovered last year 419 00:26:11,822 --> 00:26:14,700 at Memorial Medical Center, in the wake of Hurricane-- 420 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:16,368 Hello? 421 00:26:16,368 --> 00:26:18,120 Did you hear what Minyard just announced? 422 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:19,496 Yeah, I just heard it. 423 00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:20,956 How can he say there's no evidence? 424 00:26:20,956 --> 00:26:23,584 I told you, he's gonna want to pass his own judgments. 425 00:26:23,584 --> 00:26:26,170 That's bullshit! -Hey, where are you? 426 00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:28,046 I'm going to New Orleans. 427 00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:30,174 No-- Virginia, no, no, no-- 428 00:26:31,008 --> 00:26:32,050 Fuck! 429 00:26:36,096 --> 00:26:38,849 Excuse me! Hey! You can't go in there. 430 00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:44,062 How could you do this? How could you say this? 431 00:26:44,146 --> 00:26:47,149 There is so much support for Dr. Pou at this time. 432 00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:51,778 A public declaration of homicide would do a lot more than just stir things up. 433 00:26:52,529 --> 00:26:54,573 It would be very bad for our city. 434 00:26:54,573 --> 00:26:57,701 How's it gonna be for the city when people learn you swept the truth under the rug? 435 00:26:57,701 --> 00:26:59,620 Tell me something, Miss Rider. 436 00:26:59,620 --> 00:27:03,790 What happens the next time there's a hurricane? Or the time after that? 437 00:27:04,917 --> 00:27:06,668 Because those times will come for certain. 438 00:27:06,752 --> 00:27:10,380 What happens when there's no health care workers to fill our hospitals? 439 00:27:10,464 --> 00:27:12,674 No doctors. No nurses. 440 00:27:12,758 --> 00:27:15,719 Because they're too afraid that if they do anything wrong in an emergency, 441 00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:17,304 they're gonna be treated like criminals. 442 00:27:17,304 --> 00:27:18,639 What happens to our city then? 443 00:27:18,639 --> 00:27:21,683 You're telling me that doctors are gonna threaten the people of this city? 444 00:27:22,309 --> 00:27:23,602 That they're gonna walk off the job? 445 00:27:23,602 --> 00:27:25,187 Besides, that is not your job. 446 00:27:25,187 --> 00:27:26,647 I respectfully disagree. 447 00:27:26,647 --> 00:27:31,318 For 31 years, the entirety of my job's been doing what's best for this city. 448 00:27:31,318 --> 00:27:34,238 No, your job, your actual job, 449 00:27:34,238 --> 00:27:37,866 is to make judgments based on scientific fact, based on evidence. 450 00:27:38,534 --> 00:27:40,410 So just do your damn job. 451 00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:42,871 Do what you're supposed to do. 452 00:27:52,923 --> 00:27:55,926 From a distance, it looks like any other American city, 453 00:27:55,926 --> 00:28:00,013 but to revisit New Orleans now is to realize the scale of the betrayal. 454 00:28:02,850 --> 00:28:05,978 The president promised the biggest rebuilding program in history, 455 00:28:05,978 --> 00:28:08,230 but come to the very poorest neighborhoods, 456 00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:11,275 and there is no evidence of government help whatsoever. 457 00:28:11,275 --> 00:28:14,862 The Ninth Ward, like the other poor, mainly Black areas of this city, 458 00:28:14,862 --> 00:28:16,822 are being left to, quite literally, rot. 459 00:28:17,406 --> 00:28:19,199 And what is also so striking 460 00:28:19,283 --> 00:28:22,619 is there are very few people left here to ask about the future. 461 00:28:23,161 --> 00:28:26,415 The Lower Ninth Ward lost over 10,000 residents, 462 00:28:26,415 --> 00:28:29,877 leaving just 7% of its previous population. 463 00:28:29,877 --> 00:28:33,422 It's very unfair. I think it's unfair. 464 00:28:33,422 --> 00:28:37,467 I don't know how long I can do this. I might have to pack it up and move away. 465 00:28:54,234 --> 00:28:57,279 Look at you buying the first round. What-- 466 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,488 Thanks for meeting me. 467 00:28:59,364 --> 00:29:00,407 Hey, you all right? 468 00:29:03,076 --> 00:29:04,077 Butch... 469 00:29:06,246 --> 00:29:07,915 I can't do this anymore. 470 00:29:10,334 --> 00:29:12,544 I get how there's politics here. I'm not an idiot. 471 00:29:12,628 --> 00:29:16,715 But I don't get how people can stray so far from the facts. 472 00:29:16,715 --> 00:29:22,137 And I'm just... I just can't stomach it anymore. 473 00:29:24,306 --> 00:29:27,935 Look, I overreacted. We have a damn good case. 474 00:29:27,935 --> 00:29:31,271 No. You were exactly right. 475 00:29:31,355 --> 00:29:34,316 There's way more at play here than just a set of facts, 476 00:29:34,316 --> 00:29:35,901 and I should open my eyes to it. 477 00:29:37,819 --> 00:29:39,404 I should've listened to you, but... 478 00:29:41,448 --> 00:29:43,825 now that I see where this train is going, I've gotta get off of it 479 00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:45,536 for my own sanity. -No, Virginia. 480 00:29:45,536 --> 00:29:46,703 No, I'm not you. 481 00:29:49,081 --> 00:29:50,082 I just... 482 00:29:53,377 --> 00:29:56,046 I can't not take this all incredibly personally. 483 00:29:57,297 --> 00:29:58,757 And it's tearing me apart. 484 00:30:04,429 --> 00:30:06,765 I've loved every minute of working with you, Butch. 485 00:30:10,435 --> 00:30:11,645 But I'm done. 486 00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:20,445 Can I argue this with you? -Please don't. 487 00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:21,822 It's hard enough. 488 00:30:24,908 --> 00:30:26,410 We made a great team. 489 00:31:04,948 --> 00:31:07,784 Sir, they're almost ready for you. 490 00:31:18,253 --> 00:31:19,171 Thank you, dear. 491 00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:25,636 Thank y'all for coming out here today. 492 00:31:26,678 --> 00:31:29,014 I wanna clarify my prior statement. 493 00:31:29,806 --> 00:31:32,768 When I said I'd seen no evidence of homicide 494 00:31:33,352 --> 00:31:36,063 thus far in the investigation at Memorial Hospital, 495 00:31:36,063 --> 00:31:38,607 I did not mean that homicide was not 496 00:31:38,607 --> 00:31:41,276 the manner of death of patients at Memorial. 497 00:31:42,027 --> 00:31:46,406 That is still to be determined and will be the subject of further investigation 498 00:31:46,907 --> 00:31:50,953 and a presentation I will make to the special grand jury. 499 00:31:50,953 --> 00:31:52,037 Thank you. 500 00:31:55,499 --> 00:31:58,961 How can he say one thing and then say something completely different? 501 00:31:59,711 --> 00:32:00,712 I don't know. 502 00:32:00,796 --> 00:32:03,423 ...now saying he has not ruled out homicide. 503 00:32:03,507 --> 00:32:04,591 I'm gonna go do some work. 504 00:32:05,384 --> 00:32:08,846 Darling, maybe you should take it easy for just a little bit. 505 00:32:08,846 --> 00:32:12,474 What am I gonna do? Sit around, worrying about some outcome that I can't control? 506 00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:15,686 No, but what about this? How about we take a trip, huh? 507 00:32:16,186 --> 00:32:18,480 Come on. Just the two of us. We could just go down to Florida. 508 00:32:18,564 --> 00:32:21,900 And have someone take a picture of me sitting on some beach vacationing? 509 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,946 Vince, I know your heart is in the right place, but that's not me. 510 00:32:25,946 --> 00:32:27,656 That's-- You know me. 511 00:32:27,656 --> 00:32:30,659 I have to keep busy. That's how I keep myself sane. 512 00:32:39,585 --> 00:32:40,627 You may be seated. 513 00:32:45,299 --> 00:32:47,301 Good morning. -Morning. Morning. 514 00:32:47,301 --> 00:32:49,136 Ladies and gentlemen, you have been selected 515 00:32:49,136 --> 00:32:52,723 as members of the special grand jury for Orleans Parish. 516 00:32:53,765 --> 00:32:55,392 Now, you will hear evidence, 517 00:32:55,392 --> 00:32:57,436 and you will be guided in your decision-making 518 00:32:57,436 --> 00:32:59,438 by the district attorney's office. 519 00:33:00,856 --> 00:33:02,649 This is not a trial. 520 00:33:03,317 --> 00:33:06,528 You will not be hearing impassioned arguments from both sides. 521 00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:10,115 Instead, the district attorney's office will lead you 522 00:33:10,199 --> 00:33:13,619 through information that they have gathered on this particular case. 523 00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:19,416 They and I will provide instruction, and you will indict when warranted. 524 00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:24,796 You will also keep secret all of what goes on in here. Is that understood? 525 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,548 Yes. Yes, Your Honor. 526 00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:29,635 Then your service has commenced. 527 00:33:32,638 --> 00:33:35,098 And we won't know anything until they make a decision. 528 00:33:35,766 --> 00:33:41,730 What they do behind closed doors goes on in total secrecy. All of it. 529 00:33:44,024 --> 00:33:49,446 If you asked me to devise the most exquisite torture imaginable, 530 00:33:51,323 --> 00:33:52,616 this would be it. 531 00:33:54,117 --> 00:33:55,118 Yeah. 532 00:33:56,495 --> 00:34:01,124 A trial, no matter the verdict, is gonna completely ruin me, Rick. 533 00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:05,087 What am I gonna do? 534 00:34:10,092 --> 00:34:11,342 All right, everyone. 535 00:34:12,386 --> 00:34:13,428 This is Maya. 536 00:34:13,512 --> 00:34:17,391 She's a 49-year-old woman with recurrent pharyngeal carcinoma. 537 00:34:17,975 --> 00:34:20,686 We're gonna be working here for a while, 538 00:34:20,768 --> 00:34:24,231 so I want all of us to stay focused. 539 00:34:24,313 --> 00:34:25,482 Okay. 540 00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:29,402 We're gonna do all we can for her with God's help. 541 00:34:29,402 --> 00:34:30,821 Amen. 542 00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:46,753 Dr. Pou, you were amazing today. 543 00:34:49,005 --> 00:34:51,175 We did some good work. All of us. 544 00:34:52,634 --> 00:34:56,929 Doc, I just wanted to let you know, I contributed to your defense fund. 545 00:34:59,224 --> 00:35:02,811 Monica. Thank you. 546 00:35:03,395 --> 00:35:05,522 You're the kind of woman I wanna be. 547 00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:08,650 And I'm praying for you. 548 00:35:11,862 --> 00:35:15,949 Thank you. Yeah, I'm praying for me too. 549 00:35:37,304 --> 00:35:40,224 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, welcome back. 550 00:35:41,642 --> 00:35:44,686 Michael Morales, present on behalf of the State of Louisiana. 551 00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:47,272 The grand jurors have a return on this matter, Your Honor. 552 00:35:47,356 --> 00:35:49,316 In the case of Anna Pou, 553 00:35:49,316 --> 00:35:52,236 you've been asked to consider a ten-count bill of indictment. 554 00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:54,488 One count of second-degree murder 555 00:35:54,488 --> 00:35:58,116 and nine counts of conspiracy to commit second-degree murder. 556 00:35:58,784 --> 00:35:59,910 What say you? 557 00:36:21,014 --> 00:36:25,561 In each of these ten counts it is noted, "Not a true bill of indictment." 558 00:36:25,561 --> 00:36:26,812 Is that correct? 559 00:36:27,396 --> 00:36:28,689 Yes, Your Honor. 560 00:36:29,189 --> 00:36:33,735 Very well then. This matter and your service is concluded. 561 00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:37,239 An update now on a controversial criminal case. 562 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,116 The grand jury in New Orleans will not indict 563 00:36:39,116 --> 00:36:42,411 a surgeon accused of killing four seriously ill hospital patients. 564 00:36:42,411 --> 00:36:46,456 The grand jury have decided not to bring criminal charges against her. 565 00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:47,541 Anna. 566 00:36:49,042 --> 00:36:50,043 They didn't indict you. 567 00:36:50,127 --> 00:36:51,712 Not on any of the charges. -Oh, my God. 568 00:36:51,712 --> 00:36:55,174 Oh, my God. Oh, God. Lord, thank you. -What? What? Nothing? 569 00:36:55,174 --> 00:36:57,092 Oh, Lord, thank you. 570 00:36:57,176 --> 00:36:58,177 Nothing? 571 00:36:59,052 --> 00:37:00,179 No. 572 00:37:08,395 --> 00:37:10,355 District Attorney Jordan. 573 00:37:10,439 --> 00:37:11,982 What do you think of the grand jury's decision? 574 00:37:11,982 --> 00:37:15,027 I agree with the grand jury. Thank you. 575 00:37:15,027 --> 00:37:16,778 Mr. Morales, your comment, please? 576 00:37:16,862 --> 00:37:18,238 Please take a copy. 577 00:37:18,322 --> 00:37:21,867 You'll see that forensic experts from all over the country 578 00:37:21,867 --> 00:37:25,954 have concluded that the deaths in question that occurred at Memorial Medical Center, 579 00:37:26,038 --> 00:37:27,748 they were homicides. 580 00:37:28,707 --> 00:37:32,127 If that's the case, sir, then why didn't the grand jury indict? 581 00:37:32,211 --> 00:37:35,839 Because they didn't hear directly from any of these forensic experts. 582 00:37:35,923 --> 00:37:39,218 Why not? -You'll have to ask the DA that. 583 00:37:39,218 --> 00:37:42,346 Do you think it's fair to judge Dr. Pou on the decisions she made 584 00:37:42,346 --> 00:37:45,182 given the incredibly horrific conditions that existed? 585 00:37:45,182 --> 00:37:47,100 I refuse to accept that the conditions 586 00:37:47,184 --> 00:37:49,686 were any excuse for the taking of a human life. 587 00:37:50,437 --> 00:37:53,357 What is the value of a human life? 588 00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:57,653 What conditions can possibly justify the taking of human lives? 589 00:37:57,653 --> 00:38:00,030 These are the questions that this case raises. 590 00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:04,785 So, no. I do not believe in any way, shape or form 591 00:38:04,785 --> 00:38:07,496 that the grand jury reached the right conclusion. 592 00:38:14,962 --> 00:38:15,963 Butch? 593 00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:19,132 Are you okay? 594 00:38:19,216 --> 00:38:20,717 Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. 595 00:38:26,056 --> 00:38:28,267 Hon, I know you don't like to discuss your cases, 596 00:38:28,267 --> 00:38:33,105 but... I'm sorry this one didn't go your way. 597 00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:39,778 That hospital, it wasn't a damn battlefield 598 00:38:39,862 --> 00:38:42,573 with mortar shells coming in. It was a shelter. 599 00:38:42,573 --> 00:38:46,076 They had food and water and rescue boats. 600 00:38:47,578 --> 00:38:51,582 Wouldn't somebody rather risk getting carried downstairs 601 00:38:51,582 --> 00:38:54,918 or, hell, lowered out a window, rather than not try at all? 602 00:38:55,002 --> 00:38:56,712 Why would you not at least try to get him out? 603 00:38:57,796 --> 00:39:01,383 If you're a doctor, you get to just decide who lives and who dies? 604 00:39:01,383 --> 00:39:02,926 If you feel like giving your patients 605 00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:05,137 huge doses of morphine and Versed cocktail, 606 00:39:05,137 --> 00:39:06,221 that's your call? 607 00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:12,060 And how do you ignore the fact 608 00:39:12,144 --> 00:39:15,314 that other people were evacuating people 609 00:39:15,314 --> 00:39:18,066 at the same time that you were "giving comfort"? 610 00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:27,201 These poor people. 611 00:39:30,078 --> 00:39:33,207 These poor folks, they had no idea what was happening to them. 612 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,962 They had no way of defending themselves. 613 00:39:42,883 --> 00:39:48,305 This really hurts, Lin. Lin, this really hurts. 614 00:39:49,389 --> 00:39:50,432 I know. 615 00:40:03,403 --> 00:40:05,405 I wanted to make sure you got this back. 616 00:40:11,453 --> 00:40:13,372 I wish we could've done a better job for you. 617 00:40:14,248 --> 00:40:15,707 Wasn't your fault. 618 00:40:16,375 --> 00:40:20,712 Dr. Pou and all those people with power, they lined up right behind her. 619 00:40:22,631 --> 00:40:29,555 Emmett. He was my high school sweetheart. 620 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,018 I met him when I needed a date to the junior prom. 621 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,440 He was the brother of a friend of mine, and I'd seen him sitting on the porch. 622 00:40:41,525 --> 00:40:43,110 So I said to my friend, 623 00:40:43,110 --> 00:40:45,696 "Go ask your brother if he wanna take me to the prom." 624 00:40:47,739 --> 00:40:48,782 And he did. 625 00:40:50,868 --> 00:40:51,869 Emmett. 626 00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,539 He used to say to me, "Girl, you gonna be my wife." 627 00:40:56,540 --> 00:41:01,420 And I said, "Boy, you'd be the last person on Earth I'd marry." 628 00:41:02,379 --> 00:41:03,714 Just to throw him off. 629 00:41:06,383 --> 00:41:10,679 He was the most loving, caring man I have ever met. 630 00:41:12,055 --> 00:41:13,473 I wish I could've met him. 631 00:41:17,144 --> 00:41:20,189 There ain't no statute of limitations on murder. 632 00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:27,696 I've been waiting a long time for justice. I can wait a little while longer. 633 00:41:43,795 --> 00:41:47,257 Hey, look at this. It's the Ghost of Christmas Past. 634 00:41:47,841 --> 00:41:49,760 Yeah. Still haunting you. 635 00:41:50,636 --> 00:41:52,554 Just came by to get the rest of my things. 636 00:41:53,472 --> 00:41:55,349 No one's taken your spot out front, I see. 637 00:41:56,308 --> 00:41:58,560 Yeah, just taking a quiet five. 638 00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:03,649 I guess you were smart to get out when you did, huh? 639 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,444 Doesn't make it any easier to stomach. 640 00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:14,034 Pardon my French, but what the fuck happened in there? 641 00:42:16,245 --> 00:42:19,873 Among other things, they never called Kristy Johnson. 642 00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:22,251 What? 643 00:42:23,043 --> 00:42:25,295 How do you not call the eyewitness to a murder? 644 00:42:25,379 --> 00:42:26,713 And it doesn't look like any 645 00:42:26,797 --> 00:42:29,633 of the outside forensic experts testified, either. 646 00:42:29,633 --> 00:42:30,926 What were they thinking? 647 00:42:31,635 --> 00:42:34,054 That is a profound question. 648 00:42:36,306 --> 00:42:41,353 But the records of the special grand jury are permanently sealed, 649 00:42:41,353 --> 00:42:42,646 so we'll never know. 650 00:42:44,857 --> 00:42:47,734 I can't help but think that we fucked up by just going after Pou. 651 00:42:49,486 --> 00:42:56,034 It was a river of evidence that flowed a certain way, and we had to follow it. 652 00:42:57,369 --> 00:42:58,745 Led us right to Pou. 653 00:42:59,246 --> 00:43:03,625 Yeah, to a doctor who was exemplary in every way. Except for when she wasn't. 654 00:43:09,256 --> 00:43:10,299 Onward. 655 00:43:13,802 --> 00:43:15,512 I'm glad I ran into you, Butch. 656 00:43:16,096 --> 00:43:17,097 Me too. 657 00:43:19,391 --> 00:43:21,143 You take care of yourself, Virginia. 658 00:43:22,895 --> 00:43:23,896 Bye. 659 00:43:58,263 --> 00:43:59,556 Ladies and gentlemen 660 00:44:00,265 --> 00:44:03,519 it is my privilege tonight 661 00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:08,315 to introduce our guest of honor, Dr. Anna Pou. 662 00:44:08,315 --> 00:44:11,443 Whoo! Yeah! 663 00:44:15,447 --> 00:44:18,408 Thank you. Thank y'all very much. 664 00:44:19,576 --> 00:44:24,915 Thank you. I'm just gonna make a few very brief remarks. 665 00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:28,085 None of us here in this room 666 00:44:28,085 --> 00:44:31,713 will ever forget what happened during Katrina. 667 00:44:31,797 --> 00:44:33,674 We each have our own stories to tell. 668 00:44:34,758 --> 00:44:38,971 What happened to me inside Memorial Hospital... 669 00:44:41,723 --> 00:44:43,141 is hard to describe. 670 00:44:44,226 --> 00:44:48,856 The heat, the stench, the lack of power, 671 00:44:49,481 --> 00:44:52,609 the chaos as we tried to evacuate the patients. 672 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,949 Then on Wednesday the evacuation stopped. They just stopped. 673 00:44:58,949 --> 00:45:01,410 We don't know why. No one told us why. 674 00:45:02,244 --> 00:45:03,745 Then on Thursday, 675 00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:08,625 we were told that everyone must be out of the hospital today. 676 00:45:08,709 --> 00:45:12,212 And after five sleepless days and nights, FEMA called, said, 677 00:45:12,796 --> 00:45:14,506 "We're taking all the airboats at noon, 678 00:45:14,590 --> 00:45:18,427 so whoever you can get out of the hospital, get them out by then, 679 00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:20,888 because they can no longer stay inside." 680 00:45:21,847 --> 00:45:23,765 The Coast Guard sent helicopters, 681 00:45:23,849 --> 00:45:27,394 but they didn't arrive until Thursday afternoon. 682 00:45:29,479 --> 00:45:31,940 I should note something that I didn't know. 683 00:45:32,774 --> 00:45:35,360 Coast Guard helicopters can't fly at night. 684 00:45:38,447 --> 00:45:44,912 We did not get the type of support that we needed to evacuate patients. 685 00:45:45,412 --> 00:45:46,413 Far from it. 686 00:45:46,413 --> 00:45:48,916 We were left on our own 687 00:45:48,916 --> 00:45:55,339 by local, state and federal governments that totally failed us. 688 00:45:55,339 --> 00:45:57,049 We were abandoned. 689 00:45:59,927 --> 00:46:02,638 We were abandoned. 690 00:46:05,432 --> 00:46:07,226 Now, I'm just a doctor. 691 00:46:10,187 --> 00:46:16,735 The duty to care sounds easy. Sounds great. 692 00:46:17,277 --> 00:46:21,240 But in practice, it is not always so. 693 00:46:23,951 --> 00:46:29,164 I know in my heart that every single one of us in that hospital 694 00:46:29,873 --> 00:46:33,836 did everything we could to comfort and to care. 695 00:46:33,836 --> 00:46:38,215 No one was abandoned. No one was neglected. 696 00:46:39,424 --> 00:46:42,344 And everybody was treated with dignity. 697 00:46:43,303 --> 00:46:49,977 And although my life was changed forever on July 17th, 2006, the day of my arrest, 698 00:46:49,977 --> 00:46:54,022 I do not look upon my circumstances with bitterness, 699 00:46:54,898 --> 00:46:58,527 because God has been really phenomenal. 700 00:46:59,194 --> 00:47:05,325 And he sent me so many people to help me through this. He did. 701 00:47:05,409 --> 00:47:07,536 He sent my friends... 702 00:47:10,247 --> 00:47:13,750 my family, my patients, 703 00:47:14,334 --> 00:47:17,880 nurses, my fellow doctors. 704 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,091 I see so many of you sitting here in this very room. 705 00:47:22,926 --> 00:47:25,304 I wouldn't be here without all of you. 706 00:47:25,888 --> 00:47:28,891 The courage and the strength that you have given me 707 00:47:28,891 --> 00:47:30,517 are truly a gift from God. 708 00:47:31,935 --> 00:47:34,855 So your love and the greatness of God, 709 00:47:34,855 --> 00:47:37,232 that is what got me out of bed every morning. 710 00:47:37,774 --> 00:47:41,028 I consider myself one of the luckiest people in the world 711 00:47:41,028 --> 00:47:44,114 because of your support. And for that, I thank you. 712 00:47:44,198 --> 00:47:45,199 Yeah! 713 00:47:46,033 --> 00:47:50,787 Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. 714 00:47:53,498 --> 00:47:55,209 Thank you. 715 00:48:00,797 --> 00:48:03,383 Thank you. Thank you. 716 00:48:39,294 --> 00:48:40,629 Hello, Anna. -Horace. 717 00:48:41,588 --> 00:48:42,923 I'm so happy to see you here. 718 00:48:43,465 --> 00:48:44,591 How's Vince? 719 00:48:45,175 --> 00:48:46,301 He's good. Where is he? 720 00:48:47,135 --> 00:48:50,180 He's over there dancing. -Yeah. 721 00:48:52,224 --> 00:48:54,309 Ready to cut loose after this last year. 722 00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:56,770 I can only imagine. 723 00:48:56,854 --> 00:48:59,273 It's been surreal, Horace. 724 00:48:59,273 --> 00:49:00,691 It's been surreal. 725 00:49:00,691 --> 00:49:03,068 It's-- That is the only way that I can describe it. 726 00:49:07,781 --> 00:49:13,078 Anna, FEMA didn't take away the airboats. 727 00:49:13,745 --> 00:49:16,081 They were run by volunteers. 728 00:49:17,875 --> 00:49:23,422 And they couldn't have called us to tell us, because our phones weren't working. 729 00:49:25,215 --> 00:49:31,513 And you do know that the Coast Guard helicopters did fly at night. 730 00:49:32,014 --> 00:49:34,183 They used night-vision goggles. 731 00:49:35,392 --> 00:49:36,977 They made rescues throughout. 732 00:49:36,977 --> 00:49:40,814 It wasn't as if the Coast Guard didn't try to save patients. 733 00:49:40,898 --> 00:49:44,151 Horace. They didn't fly at night. 734 00:49:47,613 --> 00:49:49,072 Ask Vince. He's a pilot. 735 00:49:49,156 --> 00:49:52,117 Anna, I was at Memorial too. 736 00:49:53,577 --> 00:49:58,415 Just because you remember things one way, doesn't make them true. 737 00:50:07,049 --> 00:50:08,133 Man. 738 00:50:12,846 --> 00:50:14,097 I wish you well.