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[Butch] Dr. Baltz, uh, thank you
for meeting with us again.
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W-We want to drill down on that fifth day.
September 1st.
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We're all gonna die.
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It was anarchy.
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No one knew what was going on.
No one was in charge.
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And decisions were made
that should not have been made.
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[Susan]
We need to seriously lower our head count,
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and I think that you should evacuate
with the next group.
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Evacuate? [laughs]
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Susan, I can't evacuate, I'm a doctor.
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Doctors look after patients.
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Ho-- Horace,
there is nothing else any of us can do.
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I was told to get ready to leave,
right then.
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That I was, um,
going to be sent out on a rescue boat.
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I have a tremendous sense of guilt
about it.
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About not staying there to the very end.
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You know,
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true heroism would have been
to remember why we're doctors,
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and no matter how bad
the circumstances are,
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to adhere to our oath, "Do no harm."
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But in all that chaos,
people just cast off who they were.
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And this blindness just swept in
and took over everything.
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I mean, it took over everything.
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[singer] Wade in the water ♪
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Wade in the water, children ♪
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[singer, chorus] Wade in the water ♪
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Wade in the water, children ♪
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Wade in the water ♪
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God is gonna trouble these waters ♪
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[chorus] Man went down to the river ♪
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Man went down to the river, Lord ♪
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Man went down to the river ♪
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Went down there for to pray ♪
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[singer] Oh ♪
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[singer, chorus] Wade in the water ♪
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Wade in the water, children ♪
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Wade in the water ♪
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God is gonna trouble these waters ♪
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[vocalizing]
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[singer]
God's gonna trouble these waters ♪
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[music ends]
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[Foti] Afternoon, everybody.
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Memorial Hospital is a hospital
in the city of New Orleans.
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It's a big hospital,
been there a long time.
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Inside that hospital
is a smaller hospital called Lakeside.
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LifeCare.
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LifeCare.
LifeCare has acute care patients,
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some of whom, it is alleged,
were killed by lethal injection.
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Dr. Anna Pou and two nurses,
Cheri Landry and Lori Budo,
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have been arrested on four charges
of principal to second degree murder.
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Four patients were injected
with morphine and "mazdolome."
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Midazolam.
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Midazolam, otherwise known as Versed.
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Now, either drug can kill you,
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but when you put them together,
you get a lethal cocktail.
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Medical professionals perhaps thought
maybe they were God.
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They were entrusted with looking after
the safety of people who needed help.
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This is not euthanasia.
This is plain and simple homicide.
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The case now goes
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to the offices of Orleans Parish
district attorney, Eddie Jordan,
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who will choose whether to pursue
indictments for murder from a grand jury.
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[reporters clamoring]
-[Foti] Thank you.
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More fallout
from Hurricane Katrina on Tuesday--
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A doctor and two nurses
are charged with murder.
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...facing charges
that they murdered four patients
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at Memorial Hospital in New Orleans.
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What kind of law enforcement
goes after doctors and nurses
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who stayed at their posts during a crisis?
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The attorney general's office arrested
three upstanding medical professionals
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so he could have himself a media event
to bolster his own reputation.
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Is your client, Dr. Pou, innocent?
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Yes. No doubt. Absolutely.
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There was no criminal misconduct.
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Here, you see this affidavit?
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This is just a piece of paper
with allegations on it,
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and like every piece of paper,
it's got two sides.
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[phone ringing]
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[Simmons] There's no motive here,
and there is no homicide.
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What am I gonna do, Vince?
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How can I go outside? I mean,
what are people gonna think of me?
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What they're gonna think--
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They're gonna think you're being
falsely persecuted, which you are.
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[ringing continues]
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Yeah, hello?
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Nope, she's not available.
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Excuse me?
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Yeah, well, it doesn't matter who I am.
Okay?
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No, I cannot.
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You know what?
I'm just going to unplug the damn thing.
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[people chattering]
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There's like-- There's still six or seven
of them lurking around out there.
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You're kidding me.
-This is surreal.
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[sighs] I mean,
I have to surrender my passport.
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We have to show up
with $100,000 in bail by Thursday,
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or they're gonna put me back in jail.
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I cannot believe
this is actually happening.
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[cell phone ringing]
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Mine's off. They found yours?
-Hmm.
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Hello.
-Vince, it's Dan Nuss. How are you doing?
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[sighs] Hey, Dan. Uh,
we-we're doing the best we can, honestly.
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Listen, I-I'm trying to reach Anna.
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Yeah. [sighs] All right.
Wou-- Just hang on a minute.
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Hi, Dan.
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Anna, I'm so sorry.
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What's going on, what they're
putting you through, it just sickens me.
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Everyone's on your side,
and people are asking what they can do.
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That's reassuring to hear.
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So, here's what I propose. I want
to set up a legal defense fund for you.
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Dan, that's not necessary.
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Yes, it is. You know, let's be pragmatic.
You're gonna need the money.
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And people all wanna help.
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That is incredibly thoughtful.
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Please.
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That a few disgruntled individuals
can make these ridiculous allegations.
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And then, suddenly this whole thing
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becomes a-a absurd
sensational national news story?
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Well, as I said, it sickens me.
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I cannot tell you just h-how much
I appreciate this call and your support.
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Of course. We're all here for you.
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Well, battle's on.
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We do all this work,
and Foti can't even get the names right.
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Yeah. All that matters is what
the New Orleans district attorney does.
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[Virginia] What do you know about him?
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Well, I'm not sure where
Eddie Jordan's heart and mind is on this.
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Great.
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[grunts]
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We just need to make this case
as undeniable as possible to him.
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The first thing any DA's gonna wanna know
is how the experts classify these deaths.
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So that's where we're gonna focus,
on the forensic evidence.
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[Frank] I promised a night on the town
for coming to consult.
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So I got us a table at Galatoire's.
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Then we'll see what kind of trouble
we get into after that.
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Bunch of pathologists on a bar crawl.
[laughs]
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Doesn't get much better than that.
-[all chuckle]
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So, Butch, uh,
the DA is coming to this meeting, or not?
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Eddie Jordan knows about the meeting.
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Well, let's just get started.
We can catch him up.
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Robert, do you want to lead off?
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Sure. So, my lab took a look
at tissue samples from 41 bodies.
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Twenty-three of them tested positive
for morphine or midazolam, or both.
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Okay, well,
what's your analysis of the levels?
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These drug concentrations,
they seem very high to me.
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They're sticking out like a sore thumb.
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Well, given the condition of the bodies,
your results, do you think they're valid?
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Absolutely. Yes, I do.
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All right, then.
Let's go through the patients one by one.
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Alice Hutzler, 90-year-old LifeCare
patient being treated for pneumonia.
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[Baden] Wednesday night, she had no
documented complaints of pain or distress
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that indicated a need for these drugs.
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Yet she was dead on Thursday afternoon.
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With morphine and midazolam
in her liver, brain and muscle tissue.
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[Robert] Neither of which was prescribed.
-[Cyril] Now, looking at these results,
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my analysis, Michael,
let me know if you concur, is homicide.
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I concur.
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[Frank] Rose Savoie.
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Both drugs present,
no medical need indicated. Homicide.
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[Baden] Agreed.
-[Frank] Wilda McManus.
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Homicide.
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Emmett Everett.
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This patient was apparently
aware, conscious and alert.
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With neither drug prescribed.
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Homicide.
-[Baden] I concur.
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Sorry I'm late.
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[Virginia] Who are you?
-I'm assistant district attorney,
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Michael Morales. Who are you?
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I'm Butch Schafer. This is Virginia Rider.
We're from the attorney general's office.
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Where's Eddie Jordan?
-I'm here on his behalf.
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The DA's got something better to do
than look into 20-plus possible murders?
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I'm the lead prosecutor on this case.
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If you have something to share,
let's hear it.
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Mr. Morales,
can we talk privately for a minute?
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Mr. Morales, I'm sure you would agree
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that the toxicology reports
in this case are critical.
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Obviously.
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We got the city coroner,
two outside forensic pathology experts
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and the director
of one of the nation's top labs,
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who all flew in here
to examine the evidence.
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[stammers]
It feels like Eddie Jordan should be here.
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The attorney general knew that we were
gonna be the ones prosecuting this case,
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but he's chosen to barely involve us.
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But this is our goddamn case,
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and we'll decide
how it's gonna be managed.
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So you don't think
this case merits the DA's full attention?
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[Morales] Any death in this city
merits our full attention.
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But I would not call these
typical homicides.
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[Butch] Look... [sighs]
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...I have been a prosecutor,
like you, for 27 years.
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And I can tell you that we have built you
a very good case. A very solid case.
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And I'll be the one to decide
whether or not that's true.
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You ready to go back in?
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I am sensing an enthusiasm gap
between us and ADA Morales.
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You think? [scoffs]
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[guests chattering]
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Is anybody still talking
to those investigators?
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Not without a subpoena or a Tenet lawyer.
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Hope nobody else
says a goddamn word to them.
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If you don't mind me asking, uh,
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why shouldn't the staff be willing
to talk to the investigators?
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If they didn't do anything wrong,
then what do they have to worry about?
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Are you really that naïve, Horace?
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Well, I was just wondering
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why nobody's willing to acknowledge
that mistakes were made.
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Could I ask you a question, Horace?
-Sure.
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If you were given a choice
between, uh, comforting a patient,
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possibly quickening his death,
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or abandoning patients
to suffer a slow agonizing death,
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which would you choose to do?
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Why, I don't believe that was the choice.
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You can comfort people
without killing them.
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And no one had to abandon them.
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The fact is that when doctors
are given the untenable position
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of having to choose
who gets care and who does not get care,
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there are no right answers, Horace.
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There's just terrible choices.
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That's not what happened.
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It isn't? Where was the checklist?
The emergency protocols?
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Did anybody ever define this criteria
by which we were supposed to be operating?
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Ewing, all I want
is for us to sit down, all together,
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and figure out what went wrong
so we can learn from this for the future.
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I'm gonna get myself some crawfish.
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Yeah, me too.
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[reporter] After Hurricane Katrina,
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the Superdome became
a symbol of loss nationwide.
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Now, it's synonymous
with hope and recovery.
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A massive renovation effort is underway,
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with workers laboring seven days a week
to fix what was once broken.
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We have been asked to cease investigating.
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What? Are you kidding me?
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Morales... [scoffs] ...has drafted a letter
from Eddie Jordan to the attorney general
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saying that they don't need us anymore,
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that our continued work
would not be advantageous.
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"Not advantageous?"
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We have 50,000 pages
of documentary evidence.
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Well, they requested a summary.
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A summary of 50,000 pages of work.
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Okay, well, how do we respond?
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Well, I guess we write him a summary...
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and then we drop
the 50,000 pages on his ass.
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Fuck. [sighs]
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When we talked to Carrie Everett,
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the first thing she made clear
was that her husband, Emmett,
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was not about to die
when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.
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Mrs. Everett, was your husband near death
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when the hurricane hit?
-No.
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Do you think they didn't want to move him?
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Let's be real.
You're on the seventh floor.
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You got a man, paralyzed, 380 pounds.
You really want to risk injuring yourself
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to try to carry that man
down seven flights of stairs?
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[reporter] Because of his size, that's why
you think he may have been killed?
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Yes, that's absolutely what I believe.
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The hurricane caused...
-Well, this ain't bad.
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The lawsuits against Tenet and Memorial
are getting publicity too.
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Well, who's filed so far?
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That I know, the families
of Emmett Everett, Alice Hutzler,
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Rose Savoie and Hollis Alford.
-[reporter] You believe this was murder?
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Yes. I think it was murder.
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[reporter] Reporting from New Orleans...
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[Simmons] Family members are
giving interviews and filing lawsuits.
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It's, uh, creating a narrative for us
that's less than ideal.
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[sighs]
What they're saying, it's not true.
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Yeah, I-I know, but family members,
you know, it's emotionally powerful.
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We got to find a way to counter it.
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Like what?
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I want you to go on 60 Minutes.
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They're interested.
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It's an opportunity for you
to tell your story in your own words.
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60 Minutes?
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I know you're strong enough to handle it.
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They could destroy me.
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Or it could be a way for the entire world
to see you the way I see you.
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Think about it.
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If I talk to them,
they could twist my words.
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You're innocent, Anna.
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They need to know who you are.
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They need to know you.
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That you're a deeply caring person
who didn't do anything wrong.
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[crew member] All right, guys.
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[inhales deeply]
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[breathing deeply]
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[Morley] This summer, Louisiana's
attorney general stunned the city
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when he charged
that four of Memorial's dead
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did not die from illnesses
or even from the horrific conditions.
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Tonight, for the first time,
we hear from the accused.
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It is unbelievably shocking for me
that I'm actually sitting here,
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having this conversation
with you on national TV.
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And I want everybody to know
that I am not a murderer.
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You went from being
a highly respected physician
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to, uh, in the eyes of the law,
a criminal. What did that do to you?
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It completely ripped my heart out,
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because my entire life,
I've tried to do good.
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And my entire adult life...
-She's very compelling.
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[Anna] I have given everything I have...
-Yeah.
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...within me to take care of my patients.
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[Morley] Were people dying?
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[Anna] Yes, people were dying.
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[Morley] From their diseases
or from their conditions?
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You have to understand that there were
very sick people in the hospital.
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You had this intense heat,
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and we had a lack of all the tools
that we normally use.
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So people were dying
from the horrible conditions
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because they were not strong enough
to tolerate them.
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Jesus.
-[Morley] Bodies were piling up.
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The chapel became a morgue.
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Then gunshots were heard. There was fear
that looters might break in.
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Did you figure at any point
that you were really done for?
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[inhales deeply] Because you don't
know me, you don't know how tough I am.
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I don't think anyone gave up hope.
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I can tell you
I didn't give up hope because,
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as a cancer specialist, you know,
I give hope to my patients.
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You know, I am hope.
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[Morley] She also says she is just
not capable of any sort of mercy killing.
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I do not believe in euthanasia.
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I don't think that it's anyone's
decision to make, when a patient dies.
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However,
what I do believe in is comfort care.
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And that means that we ensure
that they do not suffer pain.
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You know, my role, as I said,
is to help them through their pain.
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[Morley] As for Dr. Pou and the nurses,
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they are faced
with the prospect of life in prison
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and the possibility
of never practicing medicine again.
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That is the thing
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that is truly the most p-painful for me.
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You know,
I'm very committed, and I love what I do.
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I mean, I really love it.
It is the best thing about my life.
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And the fact that
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I may not be able to continue
to do the thing that I love the most,
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where I know I can do a lot of good,
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is just phenomenally,
phenomenally painful to me.
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So, guess what?
We got in all the final pathology reports.
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Oh, wait. Can't I just
have a cup of coffee first? [chuckles]
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Not a chance.
-Okay.
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[Virginia] Baden and Wecht
confirmed in writing
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what they told in Minyard's office.
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In Baden's analysis: "Nine deaths
from LifeCare were due to drug poisoning."
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And Wecht, he analyzed 20 deaths
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and concluded that all of them
resulted from drug toxicity.
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Plus, we got additional reports
from Dr. Frank Brescia.
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"Homicide in nine cases."
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And then Dr. James Young,
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who is the president of
the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.
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"All these patients survived
the adverse events of the previous days,
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and for every patient
on a floor to have died
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in one three-and-a-half-hour period
with drug toxicity is beyond coincidence."
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It's irrefutable.
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Well, it's not. [stammers]
I mean, nothing's irrefutable.
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They're gonna challenge
the conditions of the bodies
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and Foti's claims
about the lethality of the drugs--
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But we got four top medical experts
all claiming these were homicides.
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Yeah. [chuckles]
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What is gonna be enough for you, Butch?
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This isn't about me.
-[scoffs]
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What? [stammers]
Do I think these folks were murdered?
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Hell yes, of course I do.
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But what I'm trying to tell you is that
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evidence alone
isn't going to get it done here.
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Why? Because Pou went on 60 Minutes?
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Yeah, and she did incredibly well.
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A TV show is not gonna decide this.
-You don't think it matters?
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N-No.
-Okay.
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People in this city,
they're gonna want to know,
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"Why should Anna Pou,
a heroic doctor, go to jail?
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Why should she be the one person to take
the blame for everything that went wrong?"
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[scoffs]
-You know who didn't get arrested?
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Nobody from any corporate entity.
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Nobody from Tenet. Nobody from LifeCare.
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And what about the government officials?
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Why wasn't Governor Blanco arrested?
Or Mayor Nagin?
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They were the leaders.
They were the goddamn people in charge!
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That's what we have to overcome.
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[breathes heavily]
Look, I'm sor-- I just--
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I'm-- I'm just trying
to be realistic here,
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so we can--
we can figure out how to get this done.
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Yeah, so what do you wanna do?
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Uh, let's just send
all that forensic evidence over to Morales
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and, you know,
maybe put a big red bow on it. [chuckles]
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Will do.
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Congratulations, Anna. You were fantastic.
That could not have gone better.
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[sighs] I hope you're right.
-Oh, I know I am.
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I've been in touch
with various medical groups.
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Statements of support are pouring in.
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All right, listen to this.
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I go-- Just got this
from the Louisiana State Medical Society.
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"The LSMS is confident
that Dr. Pou performed courageously
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under the most challenging
and horrific conditions,
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and made decisions
in the best interest of her patients."
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The medical community
is lining up behind you.
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It's very reassuring.
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I just got a call from Frank Minyard,
the parish coroner.
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He, uh, saw the interview.
He wants to sit with you.
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Why would I want to do that?
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This is a good thing. Trust me.
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[Frank] It shocks me
that we've never met before.
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I knew your father well. In fact,
I used to come by your house all the time.
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[Anna] Well, you know,
I was one of 11 kids.
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So, maybe I ran past you or-- or
threw up on you, or something. [chuckles]
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That could've happened.
-[chuckles]
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Well, your father was a wonderful man.
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And a great physician.
-Yes.
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And he was especially kind
in referring patients to me
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when I was starting my OB-GYN practice.
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He is the reason that I'm a doctor.
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Hmm.
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So, how you holding up?
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To be honest... [stammers]
...it hasn't been easy.
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Oof, I'm sure it has not.
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I-I do have some idea
what you went through.
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During the storm,
to get to my office downtown,
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I had to wade, swim,
then hitch a ride on a boat.
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Oh, my word.
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I was stuck there for four days.
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H-How precious did food and water seem?
-Yes.
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At night, I couldn't sleep
for all the sounds of gunshots.
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We heard them too.
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The people that weren't here,
they just can't understand.
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00:24:37,436 --> 00:24:39,897
No, they cannot.
-No.
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My job, as I see it, is not just
examining bodies. Anybody can do that.
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What I do is try to understand
why things happened.
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Um, I like to get a handle on the people
involved, meet them face-to-face if I can.
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I-It's terrible right now,
the way our city's being judged.
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I couldn't agree more.
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I've dealt with
over 650 dead bodies from Katrina.
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650. And that's just here in New Orleans.
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It's unfathomable.
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I thank God I was not in that hospital,
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that I was not the one
who had to make those decisions.
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God bless you for all you did.
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Thank you. [chuckles] Thank you.
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["Boulevard of Broken Dreams"
playing on radio]
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[DJ] That was Green Day, right here
on WVXT Baton Rouge,
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home of great rock music.
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And now, these local news headlines.
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New Orleans coroner, Frank Minyard,
released a statement this morning
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saying he's found no evidence of homicide
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in the case of 45 dead bodies
discovered last year
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at Memorial Medical Center,
in the wake of Hurricane--
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[line rings]
-[Butch] Hello?
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Did you hear what Minyard just announced?
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00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:19,496
Uh, yeah, I just heard it.
438
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:20,956
How can he say there's no evidence?
439
00:26:20,956 --> 00:26:23,584
Well, I told you, he's gonna want
to pass his own judgments.
440
00:26:23,584 --> 00:26:26,170
Well, that's bullshit!
-Hey, where are you?
441
00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:28,046
I'm going to New Orleans.
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00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:30,174
No-- Virgin-- Virginia, no, no, no--
-[line disconnects]
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00:26:31,008 --> 00:26:32,050
Fuck!
444
00:26:36,096 --> 00:26:38,849
Excuse me! Hey! You can't go in there.
445
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:44,062
How could you do this?
How could you say this?
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00:26:44,146 --> 00:26:47,149
The-- There is so much support
for Dr. Pou at this time.
447
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:51,778
A public declaration o-of homicide would
do a lot more than just stir things up.
448
00:26:52,529 --> 00:26:54,573
It would be very bad for our city.
449
00:26:54,573 --> 00:26:57,701
How's it gonna be for the city when people
learn you swept the truth under the rug?
450
00:26:57,701 --> 00:26:59,620
Tell me something, Miss Rider.
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00:26:59,620 --> 00:27:03,790
W-What happens the next time there's
a hurricane? Or the time after that?
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Because those times will come for certain.
453
00:27:06,752 --> 00:27:10,380
W-What happens when there's no
health care workers to fill our hospitals?
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No-- No doctors. No nurses.
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00:27:12,758 --> 00:27:15,719
Because they're too afraid that
if they do anything wrong in an emergency,
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they're gonna be treated like criminals.
457
00:27:17,304 --> 00:27:18,639
What happens to our city then?
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00:27:18,639 --> 00:27:21,683
You're telling me that doctors are gonna
threaten the people of this city?
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That they're gonna walk off the job?
460
00:27:23,602 --> 00:27:25,187
Besides, that is not your job.
461
00:27:25,187 --> 00:27:26,647
I respectfully disagree.
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00:27:26,647 --> 00:27:31,318
For 31 years, I-- The entirety of my job's
been doing what's best for this city.
463
00:27:31,318 --> 00:27:34,238
No, your job, your actual job,
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is to make judgments based
on scientific fact, based on evidence.
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So just do your damn job.
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Do what you're supposed to do.
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00:27:52,923 --> 00:27:55,926
[radio host 1] From a distance,
it looks like any other American city,
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but to revisit New Orleans now
is to realize the scale of the betrayal.
469
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The president promised
the biggest rebuilding program in history,
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but come
to the very poorest neighborhoods,
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and there is no evidence
of government help whatsoever.
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The Ninth Ward, like the other poor,
mainly Black areas of this city,
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are being left to, quite literally, rot.
474
00:28:17,406 --> 00:28:19,199
And what is also so striking
475
00:28:19,283 --> 00:28:22,619
is there are very few people left here
to ask about the future.
476
00:28:23,161 --> 00:28:26,415
[radio host 2] The Lower Ninth Ward
lost over 10,000 residents,
477
00:28:26,415 --> 00:28:29,877
leaving just 7%
of its previous population.
478
00:28:29,877 --> 00:28:33,422
It's very unfair. I think it's unfair.
479
00:28:33,422 --> 00:28:37,467
I don't know how long I can do this.
I might have to pack it up and move away.
480
00:28:38,051 --> 00:28:39,469
[cries]
481
00:28:53,692 --> 00:28:57,279
Whoa. Look at you
buying the first round. What--
482
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,488
Thanks for meeting me.
483
00:28:59,364 --> 00:29:00,407
Hey, you all right?
484
00:29:03,076 --> 00:29:04,328
Butch... [stammers]
485
00:29:06,246 --> 00:29:07,915
I can't do this anymore.
486
00:29:10,334 --> 00:29:12,544
I get how there's politics here.
I'm not an idiot.
487
00:29:12,628 --> 00:29:16,715
But I don't get how
people can stray so far from the facts.
488
00:29:16,715 --> 00:29:22,137
And I'm just...
I just can't stomach it anymore.
489
00:29:24,306 --> 00:29:27,935
[stammers] Look, I overreacted.
[stammers] We have a damn good case.
490
00:29:27,935 --> 00:29:31,271
No. [scoffs] You were exactly right.
491
00:29:31,355 --> 00:29:34,316
There's way more at play here
than just a set of facts,
492
00:29:34,316 --> 00:29:35,901
and I should open my eyes to it.
493
00:29:37,819 --> 00:29:39,404
I should've listened to you, but...
494
00:29:41,448 --> 00:29:43,825
now that I see where this train is going,
I've gotta get off of it
495
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:45,536
for my own sanity.
-No, Virginia.
496
00:29:45,536 --> 00:29:46,703
No, I'm not you.
497
00:29:49,081 --> 00:29:50,082
I just...
498
00:29:52,584 --> 00:29:56,046
[sighs] I can't not
take this all incredibly personally.
499
00:29:57,297 --> 00:29:59,675
And it's tearing me apart.
[breathes shakily]
500
00:30:04,429 --> 00:30:06,765
I've loved every minute
of working with you, Butch.
501
00:30:10,435 --> 00:30:11,645
But I'm done.
502
00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:20,445
Can I argue this with you? [chuckles]
-[chuckles] Please don't.
503
00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:21,822
It's hard enough.
504
00:30:24,908 --> 00:30:26,410
We made a great team.
505
00:30:29,746 --> 00:30:31,081
[chuckles]
506
00:30:32,833 --> 00:30:33,876
[sniffles]
507
00:30:36,628 --> 00:30:39,173
[horn music playing]
-[crowd cheering]
508
00:31:04,948 --> 00:31:07,784
Sir, they're almost ready for you.
509
00:31:17,336 --> 00:31:19,171
Ah. Thank you, dear.
510
00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:25,636
[Frank] Thank y'all
for coming out here today.
511
00:31:26,678 --> 00:31:29,014
I wanna clarify my prior statement.
512
00:31:29,806 --> 00:31:32,768
When I said I'd seen
no evidence of homicide
513
00:31:33,352 --> 00:31:36,063
thus far in the investigation
at Memorial Hospital,
514
00:31:36,063 --> 00:31:38,607
I did not mean that homicide was not
515
00:31:38,607 --> 00:31:41,276
the manner of death
of patients at Memorial.
516
00:31:42,027 --> 00:31:46,406
That is still to be determined and will be
the subject of further investigation
517
00:31:46,907 --> 00:31:50,953
and a presentation I will make
to the special grand jury.
518
00:31:50,953 --> 00:31:53,580
Thank you.
-[clamoring]
519
00:31:55,499 --> 00:31:58,961
How can he say one thing and then
say something completely different?
520
00:31:59,711 --> 00:32:00,712
I don't know.
521
00:32:00,796 --> 00:32:03,423
[reporter] ...now saying
he has not ruled out homicide.
522
00:32:03,507 --> 00:32:04,591
I'm gonna go do some work.
523
00:32:05,384 --> 00:32:08,846
Darling, maybe you should
take it easy for just a little bit.
524
00:32:08,846 --> 00:32:12,474
What am I gonna do? Sit around, worrying
about some outcome that I can't control?
525
00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:15,686
No, but what about this?
How about we take a trip, huh?
526
00:32:16,186 --> 00:32:18,480
Come on. Just the two of us.
We could just go down to Florida.
527
00:32:18,564 --> 00:32:21,900
And have someone take a picture of me
sitting on some beach vacationing?
528
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,946
Vince, I know your heart
is in the right place, but that's not me.
529
00:32:25,946 --> 00:32:27,656
That's-- [stammers] Y-You know me.
530
00:32:27,656 --> 00:32:30,659
I-I have to keep busy.
That's how I keep myself sane.
531
00:32:39,585 --> 00:32:40,627
You may be seated.
532
00:32:45,299 --> 00:32:47,301
Good morning.
-[jurors] Morning. Morning.
533
00:32:47,301 --> 00:32:49,136
Ladies and gentlemen,
you have been selected
534
00:32:49,136 --> 00:32:52,723
as members of
the special grand jury for Orleans Parish.
535
00:32:53,765 --> 00:32:55,392
Now, you will hear evidence,
536
00:32:55,392 --> 00:32:57,436
and you will be guided
in your decision-making
537
00:32:57,436 --> 00:32:59,438
by the district attorney's office.
538
00:33:00,856 --> 00:33:02,649
This is not a trial.
539
00:33:03,317 --> 00:33:06,528
You will not be hearing
impassioned arguments from both sides.
540
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:10,115
Instead, the district attorney's office
will lead you
541
00:33:10,199 --> 00:33:13,619
through information that they
have gathered on this particular case.
542
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:19,416
They and I will provide instruction,
and you will indict when warranted.
543
00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:24,796
You will also keep secret all of
what goes on in here. Is that understood?
544
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,548
[jurors] Yes. Yes, Your Honor.
545
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:29,635
[Judge Johnson]
Then your service has commenced.
546
00:33:29,635 --> 00:33:30,719
[bangs]
547
00:33:32,638 --> 00:33:35,098
[Simmons] And we won't know anything
until they make a decision.
548
00:33:35,766 --> 00:33:41,730
What they do behind closed doors
goes on in total secrecy. All of it.
549
00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:43,023
[sighs]
550
00:33:44,024 --> 00:33:49,446
If you asked me to devise
the most exquisite torture imaginable,
551
00:33:51,323 --> 00:33:52,616
this would be it.
552
00:33:54,117 --> 00:33:55,118
Yeah.
553
00:33:56,495 --> 00:34:01,124
A trial, no matter the verdict,
is gonna completely ruin me, Rick.
554
00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:05,087
What am I gonna do?
555
00:34:10,092 --> 00:34:11,342
[Anna] All right, everyone.
556
00:34:11,426 --> 00:34:13,428
Um, this is Maya.
557
00:34:13,512 --> 00:34:17,391
She's a 49-year-old woman
with recurrent pharyngeal carcinoma.
558
00:34:17,975 --> 00:34:20,686
Uh, we're gonna be working here
for a while,
559
00:34:20,768 --> 00:34:24,231
so I want all of us to stay focused.
560
00:34:24,313 --> 00:34:25,482
Okay.
561
00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:29,402
We're gonna do all we can
for her with God's help.
562
00:34:29,402 --> 00:34:30,821
Amen.
563
00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:46,753
Dr. Pou, you were amazing today.
[chuckles]
564
00:34:49,005 --> 00:34:51,175
We did some good work. All of us.
565
00:34:52,634 --> 00:34:56,929
Doc, I just wanted to let you know,
I contributed to your defense fund.
566
00:34:59,224 --> 00:35:02,811
Monica. Thank you.
-[chuckles]
567
00:35:03,395 --> 00:35:05,522
You're the kind of woman I wanna be.
[chuckles]
568
00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:08,650
And I'm praying for you.
569
00:35:11,862 --> 00:35:16,283
Thank you. Yeah,
I'm praying for me too. [chuckles]
570
00:35:34,843 --> 00:35:35,844
[door opens]
571
00:35:37,304 --> 00:35:40,224
[Judge Johnson] Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury, welcome back.
572
00:35:41,642 --> 00:35:44,686
[Morales] Michael Morales, present
on behalf of the State of Louisiana.
573
00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:47,272
The grand jurors have a return
on this matter, Your Honor.
574
00:35:47,356 --> 00:35:49,316
In the case of Anna Pou,
575
00:35:49,316 --> 00:35:52,236
you've been asked to consider
a ten-count bill of indictment.
576
00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:54,488
One count of second-degree murder
577
00:35:54,488 --> 00:35:58,116
and nine counts of conspiracy
to commit second-degree murder.
578
00:35:58,784 --> 00:35:59,910
What say you?
579
00:36:21,014 --> 00:36:25,561
In each of these ten counts it is noted,
"Not a true bill of indictment."
580
00:36:25,561 --> 00:36:26,812
Is that correct?
581
00:36:27,396 --> 00:36:28,689
Yes, Your Honor.
582
00:36:29,189 --> 00:36:33,735
Very well then.
This matter and your service is concluded.
583
00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:37,239
An update now
on a controversial criminal case.
584
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,116
The grand jury in New Orleans
will not indict
585
00:36:39,116 --> 00:36:42,411
a surgeon accused of killing
four seriously ill hospital patients.
586
00:36:42,411 --> 00:36:46,456
The grand jury have decided
not to bring criminal charges against her.
587
00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:47,541
Anna.
588
00:36:49,042 --> 00:36:50,043
They didn't indict you.
589
00:36:50,127 --> 00:36:51,712
Not on any of the charges.
-[gasps] Oh, my God.
590
00:36:51,712 --> 00:36:55,174
Oh, my God. Oh, God. Lord, thank you.
-What? What? Nothing?
591
00:36:55,174 --> 00:36:57,092
[cries] Oh, Lord, thank you.
592
00:36:57,176 --> 00:36:58,635
Nothing? Oh.
593
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,179
[cries] No.
594
00:37:08,395 --> 00:37:10,355
[reporters clamoring]
District Attorney Jordan.
595
00:37:10,439 --> 00:37:11,982
What do you think
of the grand jury's decision?
596
00:37:11,982 --> 00:37:15,027
I agree with the grand jury. Thank you.
-[reporters clamoring]
597
00:37:15,027 --> 00:37:16,778
Mr. Morales, your comment, please?
598
00:37:16,862 --> 00:37:18,238
[Foti] Please take a copy.
599
00:37:18,322 --> 00:37:21,867
You'll see that forensic experts
from all over the country
600
00:37:21,867 --> 00:37:25,954
have concluded that the deaths in question
that occurred at Memorial Medical Center,
601
00:37:26,038 --> 00:37:27,748
they were homicides.
-[reporters clamoring]
602
00:37:28,707 --> 00:37:32,127
If that's the case, sir,
then why didn't the grand jury indict?
603
00:37:32,211 --> 00:37:35,839
Because they didn't hear directly
from any of these forensic experts.
604
00:37:35,923 --> 00:37:39,218
[reporter] Why not?
-Well, you'll have to ask the DA that.
605
00:37:39,218 --> 00:37:42,346
Do you think it's fair to judge Dr. Pou
on the decisions she made
606
00:37:42,346 --> 00:37:45,182
given the incredibly horrific conditions
that existed?
607
00:37:45,182 --> 00:37:47,100
I refuse to accept that the conditions
608
00:37:47,184 --> 00:37:49,686
were any excuse
for the taking of a human life.
609
00:37:50,437 --> 00:37:53,357
What is the value of a human life?
610
00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:57,653
What conditions can possibly justify
the taking of human lives?
611
00:37:57,653 --> 00:38:00,030
These are the questions
that this case raises.
612
00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:04,785
So, no. I do not believe
in any way, shape or form
613
00:38:04,785 --> 00:38:07,496
that the grand jury
reached the right conclusion.
614
00:38:14,962 --> 00:38:15,963
Butch?
615
00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:19,132
Are you okay?
616
00:38:19,216 --> 00:38:20,717
Yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
617
00:38:26,056 --> 00:38:28,267
Hon, I know you don't like
to discuss your cases,
618
00:38:28,267 --> 00:38:33,105
but...
I'm sorry this one didn't go your way.
619
00:38:33,105 --> 00:38:34,231
[sighs]
620
00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:39,778
Th-That hospital... [breathes deeply]
...it wasn't a damn battlefield
621
00:38:39,862 --> 00:38:42,573
with mortar shells coming in.
It was a shelter.
622
00:38:42,573 --> 00:38:46,994
They had food and water and rescue boats.
[breathes heavily]
623
00:38:47,578 --> 00:38:51,582
Wouldn't somebody rather risk
getting carried downstairs... [stammers]
624
00:38:51,582 --> 00:38:54,918
...or, hell, low-- lowered out a window,
rather than not try at all?
625
00:38:55,002 --> 00:38:56,712
Why would you not at least try
to get him out?
626
00:38:57,796 --> 00:39:01,383
If you're a doctor, you get to just decide
who lives and-- and who dies?
627
00:39:01,383 --> 00:39:02,926
If you feel like giving your patients
628
00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:05,137
huge doses of morphine
and Versed cocktail,
629
00:39:05,137 --> 00:39:07,598
that's your call? [chuckles]
630
00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:12,060
And how do you ignore the fact
631
00:39:12,144 --> 00:39:15,314
that-- that-- that other people
were evacuating people
632
00:39:15,314 --> 00:39:18,066
at the same time
that you were "giving comfort"?
633
00:39:21,862 --> 00:39:22,863
[sniffling]
634
00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:27,201
These poor people.
635
00:39:30,078 --> 00:39:33,207
These poor folks, they had no idea
what was happening to them.
636
00:39:35,751 --> 00:39:38,962
[breathes shakily] They had
no way of defending themselves.
637
00:39:39,046 --> 00:39:41,590
[breathing shakily]
638
00:39:42,883 --> 00:39:48,305
This re-- This really hurts, Lin.
Lin, this re-- this really hurts. [cries]
639
00:39:49,389 --> 00:39:50,432
[Linda] I know.
640
00:40:00,108 --> 00:40:01,568
[exhales deeply]
-[knocking]
641
00:40:03,403 --> 00:40:05,405
I wanted to make sure you got this back.
642
00:40:11,453 --> 00:40:13,372
I wish we could've done
a better job for you.
643
00:40:14,248 --> 00:40:15,707
[Carrie] Wasn't your fault.
644
00:40:16,375 --> 00:40:20,712
Dr. Pou and all those people with power,
they lined up right behind her.
645
00:40:22,631 --> 00:40:29,555
[chuckles] Emmett. [laughs] You know,
he was my high school sweetheart.
646
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,477
I met him when I needed a date
to the junior prom. [chuckles]
647
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,440
He was the brother of a friend of mine,
and I'd seen him sitting on the porch.
648
00:40:41,525 --> 00:40:43,110
So I said to my friend,
649
00:40:43,110 --> 00:40:45,696
"Go ask your brother
if he wanna take me to the prom."
650
00:40:45,696 --> 00:40:48,782
[chuckles] And he did.
651
00:40:50,868 --> 00:40:51,869
Emmett.
652
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,539
He used to say to me,
"Girl, you gonna be my wife."
653
00:40:56,540 --> 00:41:01,420
And I said, "Boy, you'd be
the last person on Earth I'd marry."
654
00:41:02,379 --> 00:41:03,714
Just to throw him off.
655
00:41:06,383 --> 00:41:10,679
He was the most loving,
caring man I have ever met.
656
00:41:12,055 --> 00:41:13,473
I wish I could've met him.
657
00:41:17,144 --> 00:41:20,189
There ain't
no statute of limitations on murder.
658
00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:27,696
I've been waiting a long time for justice.
I can wait a little while longer.
659
00:41:43,795 --> 00:41:47,257
Hey, look at this.
It's the Ghost of Christmas Past.
660
00:41:47,341 --> 00:41:50,552
Oh, yeah. Still haunting you.
-[chuckles]
661
00:41:50,636 --> 00:41:52,554
Just came by to get the rest of my things.
662
00:41:53,472 --> 00:41:55,349
No one's taken your spot out front, I see.
663
00:41:56,308 --> 00:41:58,560
Yeah, just taking a quiet five.
664
00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:03,649
Well, I guess you were smart
to get out when you did, huh?
665
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,444
Doesn't make it any easier to stomach.
666
00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:15,118
Pardon my French, but what the fuck
happened in there? [scoffs]
667
00:42:16,245 --> 00:42:19,873
Among other things,
they-- they never called Kristy Johnson.
668
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:22,251
What?
669
00:42:23,043 --> 00:42:25,295
How do you not call
the eyewitness to a murder?
670
00:42:25,379 --> 00:42:26,713
And it doesn't look like any
671
00:42:26,797 --> 00:42:29,633
of the outside forensic experts
testified, either.
672
00:42:29,633 --> 00:42:30,926
What were they thinking?
673
00:42:31,635 --> 00:42:34,721
That is a profound question. [chuckles]
674
00:42:36,306 --> 00:42:41,353
But the records of the special grand jury
are permanently sealed,
675
00:42:41,353 --> 00:42:42,646
so we'll never know.
676
00:42:44,857 --> 00:42:47,734
I can't help but think that
we fucked up by just going after Pou.
677
00:42:48,402 --> 00:42:49,403
Uh... [stammers]
678
00:42:49,403 --> 00:42:56,034
...it was a river of evidence that flowed
a certain way, and we had to follow it.
679
00:42:57,369 --> 00:42:58,745
Led us right to Pou.
680
00:42:59,246 --> 00:43:03,625
Yeah, to a doctor who was exemplary
in every way. Except for when she wasn't.
681
00:43:05,252 --> 00:43:06,253
Hmm.
682
00:43:09,256 --> 00:43:10,299
Onward.
683
00:43:13,802 --> 00:43:15,512
I'm glad I ran into you, Butch.
684
00:43:16,096 --> 00:43:17,097
Me too.
685
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,143
[pats]
-You take care of yourself, Virginia.
686
00:43:22,895 --> 00:43:23,896
[Virginia] Bye.
687
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:32,571
[breathes deeply]
688
00:43:58,263 --> 00:43:59,556
[host] Ladies and gentlemen
689
00:44:00,265 --> 00:44:03,519
it is my privilege tonight
690
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:08,315
to introduce our guest of honor,
Dr. Anna Pou.
691
00:44:08,315 --> 00:44:11,443
[attendees applaud, cheer]
-Whoo! Yeah!
692
00:44:15,447 --> 00:44:18,408
Thank you. [chuckles]
Thank y'all very much.
693
00:44:19,576 --> 00:44:24,915
Thank you. [chuckles] I'm just gonna
make a few very brief remarks.
694
00:44:24,915 --> 00:44:28,085
Um, you know, none of us here in this room
695
00:44:28,085 --> 00:44:31,713
will ever forget
what happened during Katrina.
696
00:44:31,797 --> 00:44:33,674
We each have our own stories to tell.
697
00:44:34,758 --> 00:44:38,971
What happened to me
inside Memorial Hospital...
698
00:44:41,723 --> 00:44:43,141
is hard to describe.
699
00:44:44,226 --> 00:44:48,856
The heat, the stench, the lack of power,
700
00:44:49,481 --> 00:44:52,609
the chaos as we tried
to evacuate the patients.
701
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,949
Then on Wednesday... [sighs] ...the evacuation
stopped. They just stopped.
702
00:44:58,949 --> 00:45:01,410
We don't know why. No one told us why.
703
00:45:02,244 --> 00:45:03,745
Then on Thursday,
704
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:08,625
we were told that everyone
must be out of the hospital today.
705
00:45:08,709 --> 00:45:12,212
And after five sleepless days and nights,
FEMA called, said,
706
00:45:12,796 --> 00:45:14,506
"We're taking all the airboats at noon,
707
00:45:14,590 --> 00:45:18,427
so whoever you can get
out of the hospital, get them out by then,
708
00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:20,888
because they can no longer stay inside."
709
00:45:21,847 --> 00:45:23,765
The Coast Guard sent helicopters,
710
00:45:23,849 --> 00:45:27,394
but they didn't arrive
until Thursday afternoon.
711
00:45:29,479 --> 00:45:31,940
I should note something
that I didn't know.
712
00:45:32,774 --> 00:45:35,360
Coast Guard helicopters
can't fly at night.
713
00:45:38,447 --> 00:45:44,912
We did not get the type of support
that we needed to evacuate patients.
714
00:45:45,412 --> 00:45:46,413
Far from it.
715
00:45:46,413 --> 00:45:48,916
We were left on our own
716
00:45:48,916 --> 00:45:55,339
by local, state and federal governments
that totally failed us.
717
00:45:55,339 --> 00:45:57,049
We were abandoned.
718
00:45:59,927 --> 00:46:02,638
We were abandoned.
719
00:46:05,432 --> 00:46:07,226
Now, I'm just a doctor.
720
00:46:10,187 --> 00:46:16,735
You know, the duty to care sounds easy.
Sounds great.
721
00:46:17,277 --> 00:46:21,240
But in practice, it is not always so.
722
00:46:23,951 --> 00:46:29,164
I know in my heart that every single one
of us in that hospital
723
00:46:29,873 --> 00:46:33,836
did everything we could
to comfort and to care.
724
00:46:33,836 --> 00:46:38,215
No one was abandoned.
No one was neglected.
725
00:46:39,424 --> 00:46:42,344
And everybody was treated with dignity.
726
00:46:43,303 --> 00:46:49,977
And although my life was changed forever
on July 17th, 2006, the day of my arrest,
727
00:46:49,977 --> 00:46:54,022
I do not look upon my circumstances
with bitterness,
728
00:46:54,898 --> 00:46:58,527
because God has been really phenomenal.
729
00:46:59,194 --> 00:47:05,325
And he sent me so many people
to help me through this. He did.
730
00:47:05,409 --> 00:47:07,536
He sent my friends...
731
00:47:07,536 --> 00:47:10,163
[applauding]
732
00:47:10,247 --> 00:47:13,750
...my family... [chuckles] ...my patients...
-[applauding continues]
733
00:47:14,334 --> 00:47:17,880
...nurses, my-- my fellow doctors.
734
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,091
I see so many of you
sitting here in this very room.
735
00:47:22,926 --> 00:47:25,304
I wouldn't be here without all of you.
736
00:47:25,888 --> 00:47:28,891
You know, the courage and the strength
that you have given me
737
00:47:28,891 --> 00:47:30,517
are truly a gift from God.
738
00:47:31,935 --> 00:47:34,855
So your love and the greatness of God,
739
00:47:34,855 --> 00:47:37,232
that is what got me
out of bed every morning.
740
00:47:37,774 --> 00:47:41,028
You know, I consider myself
one of the luckiest people in the world
741
00:47:41,028 --> 00:47:44,114
because of your support.
And for that, I thank you.
742
00:47:44,198 --> 00:47:45,949
Yeah!
-[cheering, applauding]
743
00:47:46,033 --> 00:47:50,787
Thank you very much
from the bottom of my heart. Thank you.
744
00:47:53,498 --> 00:47:55,209
Thank you.
745
00:48:00,297 --> 00:48:03,383
[chuckles] Thank you. Thank you.
746
00:48:14,561 --> 00:48:16,396
[dance music playing]
747
00:48:31,703 --> 00:48:34,248
[no audible dialogue]
748
00:48:39,294 --> 00:48:41,505
Hello, Anna.
-Horace. [chuckles]
749
00:48:41,505 --> 00:48:42,923
I'm so happy to see you here.
750
00:48:42,923 --> 00:48:44,591
Mm-hmm. H-How's Vince?
751
00:48:45,175 --> 00:48:46,301
He's good. Where is he?
752
00:48:47,135 --> 00:48:50,722
Oh, he-- he's-- he's over there dancing.
-Oh, yeah. [chuckles]
753
00:48:52,224 --> 00:48:54,309
Ready to cut loose after this last year.
754
00:48:54,393 --> 00:48:56,770
[chuckles] I can only imagine.
755
00:48:56,854 --> 00:48:59,273
[sighs] It's been surreal, Horace.
-Hmm?
756
00:48:59,273 --> 00:49:00,691
It's been surreal.
-Mmm.
757
00:49:00,691 --> 00:49:03,068
It's-- That is the only way
that I can describe it.
758
00:49:05,112 --> 00:49:06,154
[sighs]
759
00:49:07,781 --> 00:49:13,078
Anna, FEMA didn't take away the airboats.
760
00:49:13,745 --> 00:49:16,081
They were run by volunteers.
761
00:49:17,875 --> 00:49:23,422
And they couldn't have called us to tell
us, because our phones weren't working.
762
00:49:25,215 --> 00:49:31,513
And you do know that the Coast Guard
helicopters did fly at night.
763
00:49:32,014 --> 00:49:34,183
They used night-vision goggles.
764
00:49:35,392 --> 00:49:36,977
They made rescues throughout.
765
00:49:36,977 --> 00:49:40,814
It wasn't as if the Coast Guard
didn't try to save patients.
766
00:49:40,898 --> 00:49:44,151
Horace. They didn't fly at night.
767
00:49:47,613 --> 00:49:49,072
Ask Vince. He's a pilot.
768
00:49:49,156 --> 00:49:52,117
Anna, I was at Memorial too.
769
00:49:53,577 --> 00:49:58,415
Just because you remember things one way,
doesn't make them true.
770
00:50:05,088 --> 00:50:07,966
[scoffs] Man.
771
00:50:12,846 --> 00:50:14,097
I wish you well.
772
00:51:10,487 --> 00:51:13,031
["Wade in the Water" playing]