1 00:00:06,109 --> 00:00:21,124 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:21,224 --> 00:00:25,460 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:25,529 --> 00:00:30,565 [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] 4 00:00:30,634 --> 00:00:32,667 >> John: WELCOME, WELCOME, 5 00:00:32,736 --> 00:00:33,568 WELCOME TO "LAST WEEK TONIGHT!" 6 00:00:33,637 --> 00:00:33,937 I'M JOHN OLIVER. 7 00:00:34,004 --> 00:00:35,136 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING 8 00:00:35,205 --> 00:00:35,305 US. 9 00:00:35,372 --> 00:00:37,004 IT HAS BEEN A BUSY WEEK. 10 00:00:37,073 --> 00:00:38,473 THE U.N. CLIMATE CONFERENCE 11 00:00:38,542 --> 00:00:40,341 KICKED OFF, RON DeSANTIS DEBATED 12 00:00:40,410 --> 00:00:41,909 GAVIN NEWSOM IN A REAL CLASH OF 13 00:00:41,978 --> 00:00:44,779 THE WHO GIVES A SHIT, AND THERE 14 00:00:44,848 --> 00:00:45,413 WAS A NOTABLE DEATH IN THE WORLD 15 00:00:45,482 --> 00:00:46,481 THAT ONE TIKTOK ACCOUNT TREATED 16 00:00:46,550 --> 00:00:47,849 WITH THE DIGNITY IT TRULY 17 00:00:47,918 --> 00:00:49,217 DESERVED. 18 00:00:49,286 --> 00:00:50,351 >> BREAKING NEWS. 19 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:52,153 FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE 20 00:00:52,222 --> 00:00:53,588 HENRY KISSINGER HAS PASSED AWAY 21 00:00:53,657 --> 00:00:54,856 AT THE AGE OF 100. 22 00:00:54,925 --> 00:00:56,057 KISSINGER SERVED AS AMERICA'S 23 00:00:56,126 --> 00:00:57,592 TOP DIPLOMAT AND NATIONAL 24 00:00:57,661 --> 00:00:59,327 SECURITY ADVISER DURING THE 25 00:00:59,396 --> 00:01:00,761 NIXON AND FORD ADMINISTRATIONS. 26 00:01:00,830 --> 00:01:01,863 >> John: THAT'S RIGHT, 27 00:01:01,932 --> 00:01:03,231 HENRY KISSINGER DIED AT THE RIPE 28 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:06,067 OLD AGE OF "NOT SOON ENOUGH." 29 00:01:06,136 --> 00:01:07,535 AND IF YOU LIVE IN AMERICA, YOU 30 00:01:07,604 --> 00:01:08,136 MIGHT VIEW HIM AS A 31 00:01:08,205 --> 00:01:09,837 CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE. 32 00:01:09,906 --> 00:01:10,638 BUT IF YOU LIVE IN CHILE, 33 00:01:10,707 --> 00:01:11,806 ARGENTINA, VIETNAM, CAMBODIA, 34 00:01:11,875 --> 00:01:13,141 EAST TIMOR, BANGLADESH, OR 35 00:01:13,210 --> 00:01:14,675 ANYWHERE ELSE ON EARTH, YOU KNOW 36 00:01:14,744 --> 00:01:16,210 THAT'S MAYBE THE MOST OBSCENE 37 00:01:16,279 --> 00:01:18,546 UNDERSTATEMENT OF ALL TIME. 38 00:01:18,615 --> 00:01:19,147 WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT SOME 39 00:01:19,216 --> 00:01:22,216 WEREN'T UPSET. 40 00:01:22,285 --> 00:01:22,817 THE NEW YORK YANKEES TWEETED, 41 00:01:22,886 --> 00:01:25,153 AMONG OTHER LIES, "HE WILL BE 42 00:01:25,222 --> 00:01:26,053 DEEPLY MISSED." 43 00:01:26,122 --> 00:01:26,556 WHICH, HONESTLY, TRACKS. 44 00:01:26,623 --> 00:01:27,123 IF THERE'S ONE BASEBALL TEAM 45 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:28,156 THAT COULD APPRECIATE A MAN 46 00:01:28,225 --> 00:01:29,757 BEHIND A WIDELY HATED, MORALLY 47 00:01:29,826 --> 00:01:30,958 CORRUPT EMPIRE WHICH USED ITS 48 00:01:31,027 --> 00:01:32,193 CONSIDERABLE FINANCIAL RESOURCES 49 00:01:32,262 --> 00:01:33,327 TO DESTROY ITS ENEMIES BY ANY 50 00:01:33,396 --> 00:01:34,929 MEANS NECESSARY, IT'S THE 51 00:01:34,998 --> 00:01:37,331 YANKEES. 52 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,966 BUT RATHER THAN CONTINUE TO 53 00:01:39,035 --> 00:01:40,334 CELEBRATE THAT MAN GOING TO 54 00:01:40,403 --> 00:01:41,969 HELL, WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO 55 00:01:42,038 --> 00:01:44,539 CONGRESS, WHICH ON FRIDAY DID 56 00:01:44,608 --> 00:01:44,741 THIS. 57 00:01:44,808 --> 00:01:45,606 >> THE GEORGE SANTOS SAGA IS 58 00:01:45,675 --> 00:01:49,577 OFFICIALLY OVER. 59 00:01:49,646 --> 00:01:50,113 WITHIN HOURS OF HIS HOUSE 60 00:01:50,180 --> 00:01:52,013 COLLEAGUES VOTING TO MAKE HIM 61 00:01:52,082 --> 00:01:53,581 JUST THE SIXTH MEMBER IN HISTORY 62 00:01:53,650 --> 00:01:56,918 EXPELLED FROM OFFICE, CREWS WERE 63 00:01:56,987 --> 00:01:58,453 CHANGING THE LOCKS ON HIS 64 00:01:58,522 --> 00:01:59,353 WASHINGTON OFFICE DOORS. 65 00:01:59,422 --> 00:02:00,855 >> HIS FINAL REMARK, REPORTEDLY, 66 00:02:00,924 --> 00:02:01,622 "WHY WOULD I WANT TO STAY 67 00:02:01,691 --> 00:02:02,223 HERE? 68 00:02:02,292 --> 00:02:04,492 TO HELL WITH THIS PLACE." 69 00:02:04,561 --> 00:02:05,493 >> John: YEAH, THEY FINALLY 70 00:02:05,562 --> 00:02:06,394 KICKED GEORGE SANTOS OUT. 71 00:02:06,463 --> 00:02:07,862 AND I SAY FINALLY BECAUSE IT 72 00:02:07,931 --> 00:02:08,496 WAS THEIR THIRD ATTEMPT AT DOING 73 00:02:08,565 --> 00:02:09,997 THAT. 74 00:02:10,066 --> 00:02:11,299 APPARENTLY, IT TAKES THREE TRIES 75 00:02:11,368 --> 00:02:11,899 TO GET RID OF HIM -- A SORT OF 76 00:02:11,968 --> 00:02:13,134 "REVERSE BEETLEJUICE" SITUATION, 77 00:02:13,203 --> 00:02:15,236 IF YOU WILL. 78 00:02:15,305 --> 00:02:16,037 WHAT PROBABLY PUSHED IT OVER THE 79 00:02:16,106 --> 00:02:17,171 TOP THIS TIME THOUGH WAS THE 80 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,673 RELEASE TWO WEEKS AGO OF A 81 00:02:18,742 --> 00:02:20,908 SCATHING ETHICS COMMITTEE REPORT 82 00:02:20,977 --> 00:02:21,509 CONTAINING ACCUSATIONS ABOUT, 83 00:02:21,578 --> 00:02:22,110 AMONG OTHER THINGS, HIS USE OF 84 00:02:22,179 --> 00:02:24,078 CAMPAIGN FUNDS. 85 00:02:24,147 --> 00:02:25,413 >> THE PROBE FOUND HE USED SOME 86 00:02:25,482 --> 00:02:28,082 OF THE MONEY FOR BOTOX 87 00:02:28,151 --> 00:02:28,651 TREATMENTS, LUXURY SHOPPING 88 00:02:28,718 --> 00:02:30,251 SPREES AT HERMES AND FERRAGAMO, 89 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:31,352 TRIPS TO ATLANTIC CITY AND THE 90 00:02:31,421 --> 00:02:32,954 HAMPTONS, AND A SUBSCRIPTION TO 91 00:02:33,023 --> 00:02:36,090 THE ADULT WEBSITE ONLYFANS. 92 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:37,225 >> John: OKAY, LOOK. 93 00:02:37,294 --> 00:02:38,059 I'VE BEEN TRYING -- WE'VE ALL 94 00:02:38,128 --> 00:02:39,861 BEEN TRYING. 95 00:02:39,930 --> 00:02:40,396 TO SHAKE OUR HEADS AND SAY 96 00:02:40,463 --> 00:02:47,301 THINGS LIKE 'THAT'S NOT 97 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:47,837 BEFITTING OF THE OFFICE". 98 00:02:47,904 --> 00:02:48,404 BECAUSE WE KNOW: THAT'S NOT 99 00:02:48,471 --> 00:02:48,638 ALLOWED. 100 00:02:48,705 --> 00:02:49,270 YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. 101 00:02:49,339 --> 00:02:49,672 BUT I HAVE TO SAY. 102 00:02:49,739 --> 00:02:50,371 IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING 103 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,910 YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, 104 00:02:55,979 --> 00:02:56,644 THAT IS THE WAY TO FUCKING DO 105 00:02:56,713 --> 00:02:56,813 IT. 106 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:57,380 LOOKING GOOD, GOING OUT, AND 107 00:02:57,447 --> 00:02:58,012 GETTING OFF ON GIG ECONOMY PORN? 108 00:02:58,081 --> 00:02:58,646 HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BE MAD HE 109 00:02:58,715 --> 00:02:59,947 SPENT CAMPAIGN FUNDS VIBING OUT 110 00:03:00,016 --> 00:03:00,782 ON DIVA SHIT? 111 00:03:00,851 --> 00:03:01,351 AND WHILE SANTOS DENIES ALL 112 00:03:01,418 --> 00:03:03,451 THAT, THE SPENDING WAS JUST THE 113 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,655 TIP OF THE ICEBERG. 114 00:03:07,724 --> 00:03:08,289 THE REPORT ALSO INCLUDED A FULL 115 00:03:08,358 --> 00:03:09,290 COPY OF THE "OPPOSITION REPORT" 116 00:03:09,359 --> 00:03:11,092 HIS OWN CAMPAIGN COMMISSIONED ON 117 00:03:11,161 --> 00:03:12,794 HIM, TITLED "THE GEORGE SANTOS 118 00:03:12,863 --> 00:03:15,997 VULNERABILITY REPORT," WHICH WAS 119 00:03:16,066 --> 00:03:17,498 141 PAGES LONG, FEATURING 120 00:03:17,567 --> 00:03:19,100 SECTIONS LIKE, "FLORIDA DRIVERS 121 00:03:19,169 --> 00:03:20,768 LICENSE SUSPENSION," "UNVERIFIED 122 00:03:20,837 --> 00:03:22,937 DEGREES" AND "SECURITIES FRAUD 123 00:03:23,006 --> 00:03:25,206 PONZI SCHEME." 124 00:03:25,275 --> 00:03:26,240 EVEN THE COVER WAS DAMNING, AS 125 00:03:26,309 --> 00:03:26,874 THIS WAS THE ACTUAL PHOTO THEY 126 00:03:26,943 --> 00:03:30,611 USED, WHICH IS SPECTACULAR. 127 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,213 IT'S A PHOTO THAT SAYS, "OPENING 128 00:03:32,282 --> 00:03:34,715 FOR SEBASTIAN MANISCALCO" OR, "I 129 00:03:34,784 --> 00:03:36,050 FAKED MY OWN DEATH FOR INSURANCE 130 00:03:36,119 --> 00:03:38,252 MONEY: A TED TALK" AND SANTOS 131 00:03:38,321 --> 00:03:38,853 DID NOT TAKE THE VOTE AGAINST 132 00:03:38,922 --> 00:03:40,788 HIM LIGHTLY. 133 00:03:40,857 --> 00:03:41,722 AHEAD OF IT, HE GAVE A PRESS 134 00:03:41,791 --> 00:03:42,690 CONFERENCE THAT WAS UPSTAGED BY 135 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:43,324 A GARBAGE TRUCK APPEARING IN THE 136 00:03:43,393 --> 00:03:45,760 BACKGROUND. 137 00:03:45,829 --> 00:03:47,462 WHICH IS PERFECTLY ON-THE-NOSE. 138 00:03:47,531 --> 00:03:49,063 HE ALSO VENTED HIS FRUSTRATION 139 00:03:49,132 --> 00:03:50,064 AT WHAT HE SAW AS A DOUBLE 140 00:03:50,133 --> 00:03:51,566 STANDARD. 141 00:03:51,635 --> 00:03:53,100 >> I MEAN, WITHIN THE RANKS OF 142 00:03:53,169 --> 00:03:55,269 THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, 143 00:03:55,338 --> 00:03:57,071 THERE'S FELONS GALORE, THERE'S 144 00:03:57,140 --> 00:03:59,907 PEOPLE WITH ALL SORTS OF SHEISTY 145 00:03:59,976 --> 00:04:02,643 BACKGROUNDS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN 146 00:04:02,712 --> 00:04:04,178 GEORGE SANTOS IS THE MARY 147 00:04:04,247 --> 00:04:05,079 MAGDALENE OF UNITED STATES 148 00:04:05,148 --> 00:04:07,815 CONGRESS. 149 00:04:07,884 --> 00:04:08,983 WE'RE ALL GONNA STONE THIS 150 00:04:09,052 --> 00:04:09,750 MOTHERFUCKER BECAUSE IT'S JUST 151 00:04:09,819 --> 00:04:10,818 POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT. 152 00:04:10,887 --> 00:04:11,586 RIGHT? 153 00:04:11,655 --> 00:04:12,220 NOW, NO PUN INTENDED, I WAS BORN 154 00:04:12,289 --> 00:04:15,756 ON MARY MAGDALENE'S DAY, WHICH 155 00:04:15,825 --> 00:04:17,725 IS JULY 22ND, WHICH, I FIND IT 156 00:04:17,794 --> 00:04:20,561 TO BE ABSOLUTELY IRONIC. 157 00:04:20,630 --> 00:04:21,662 >> John: NOW OBVIOUSLY, EVERY 158 00:04:21,731 --> 00:04:22,797 WORD OF THAT IS A JEWEL AND IT'S 159 00:04:22,866 --> 00:04:23,366 IMPOSSIBLE TO PICK THE 160 00:04:23,433 --> 00:04:26,234 SPARKLIEST. 161 00:04:26,303 --> 00:04:27,468 I MEAN, FIRST, IT'S GOOD THAT HE 162 00:04:27,537 --> 00:04:28,336 SAID, "NO PUN INTENDED" BECAUSE 163 00:04:28,405 --> 00:04:31,906 NO PUN DETECTED. 164 00:04:31,975 --> 00:04:33,074 SECOND, THAT'S NOT IRONY, IT'S A 165 00:04:33,143 --> 00:04:34,675 COINCIDENCE. 166 00:04:34,744 --> 00:04:36,144 AND FINALLY, NOT TO BE A TOTAL 167 00:04:36,213 --> 00:04:37,145 ASTROLOGY GIRLIE, BUT IT MAKES 168 00:04:37,214 --> 00:04:39,180 SO MUCH SENSE THAT HE'S A 169 00:04:39,249 --> 00:04:40,414 CANCER/LEO CUSP. 170 00:04:40,483 --> 00:04:41,649 PRONE TO FITS OF EMOTION, LOVES 171 00:04:41,718 --> 00:04:43,384 TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION, 172 00:04:43,453 --> 00:04:44,986 AND RECENTLY HARD LAUNCHED A 173 00:04:45,055 --> 00:04:45,887 HUSBAND. 174 00:04:45,956 --> 00:04:48,189 THAT SHIT IS TEXTBOOK. 175 00:04:48,258 --> 00:04:49,323 THE TRUTH IS, THIS MAN NEVER 176 00:04:49,392 --> 00:04:49,991 BELONGED IN CONGRESS. 177 00:04:50,060 --> 00:04:51,659 HE BELONGS ON BRAVO. 178 00:04:51,728 --> 00:04:53,194 JUST THINK OF EVERYTHING HE 179 00:04:53,263 --> 00:04:53,828 PACKED IN DURING HIS BRIEF TIME 180 00:04:53,897 --> 00:04:55,530 ON THE NATIONAL STAGE. 181 00:04:55,599 --> 00:04:56,130 LIKE WHEN HE IMPLIED THAT HIS 182 00:04:56,199 --> 00:04:57,231 YOUNG NIECE HAD BEEN KIDNAPPED 183 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:59,367 FROM A PLAYGROUND IN QUEENS, 184 00:04:59,436 --> 00:05:00,935 POSSIBLY IN RETALIATION FOR HIS 185 00:05:01,004 --> 00:05:02,470 PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT CHINA, OR 186 00:05:02,539 --> 00:05:04,405 THAT "9/11 CLAIMED MY MOTHERS 187 00:05:04,474 --> 00:05:05,273 LIFE" EVEN THOUGH RECORDS SHOW 188 00:05:05,342 --> 00:05:07,074 SHE WASN'T EVEN IN NEW YORK AT 189 00:05:07,143 --> 00:05:08,209 THE TIME. 190 00:05:08,278 --> 00:05:09,677 THAT KIND OF MESSINESS ISN'T 191 00:05:09,746 --> 00:05:11,479 JUST "FRIENDS-OF" BEHAVIOR, IT'S 192 00:05:11,548 --> 00:05:13,314 FULL-ON HOUSEWIFE. 193 00:05:13,383 --> 00:05:15,516 SANTOS WAS UNMATCHED AT GIVING 194 00:05:15,585 --> 00:05:16,984 US A+ HEADLINES LIKE "GEORGE 195 00:05:17,053 --> 00:05:18,453 SANTOS HAS MELTDOWN WHILE 196 00:05:18,522 --> 00:05:21,522 HOLDING MYSTERY BABY." 197 00:05:21,591 --> 00:05:22,156 AND BY THE WAY, WHEN SANTOS WAS 198 00:05:22,225 --> 00:05:24,625 ASKED IF THAT BABY WAS HIS, HIS 199 00:05:24,694 --> 00:05:26,561 ANSWER WAS, "NOT YET." 200 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:28,229 WHICH IS THE SINGLE FUNNIEST 201 00:05:28,298 --> 00:05:30,364 POSSIBLE ANSWER, OUTSIDE OF 202 00:05:30,433 --> 00:05:33,201 MAYBE, "WHAT BABY?" 203 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:34,035 I'M JUST SAYING, SANTOS CLEARLY 204 00:05:34,104 --> 00:05:35,236 DIDN'T DELIVER FOR HIS 205 00:05:35,305 --> 00:05:37,171 CONSTITUENTS, BUT HE DELIVERED 206 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,372 HARD FOR THE REST OF US. 207 00:05:38,441 --> 00:05:39,207 AND I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE IN MY 208 00:05:39,276 --> 00:05:40,041 GOVERNMENT. 209 00:05:40,110 --> 00:05:40,675 AND I DON'T WANT TO SIT NEXT TO 210 00:05:40,744 --> 00:05:42,310 HIM ON AN AIRPLANE. 211 00:05:42,379 --> 00:05:44,178 BUT I DEFINITELY WANT HIM IN 212 00:05:44,247 --> 00:05:44,714 ANDY COHEN'S MENAGERIE OF 213 00:05:44,781 --> 00:05:47,849 DAMAGED HUMAN BEINGS. 214 00:05:47,918 --> 00:05:49,283 CALL THIS MAN NOW, COHEN, AND 215 00:05:49,352 --> 00:05:51,586 PAY HIM WHAT HE'S WORTH. 216 00:05:51,655 --> 00:05:53,654 AND NOW THIS. 217 00:05:53,723 --> 00:05:55,289 >> Announcer: AND NOW, 218 00:05:55,358 --> 00:05:58,025 PEOPLE ON TV TALK ABOUT AI THE 219 00:05:58,094 --> 00:06:00,361 ONLY WAY THEY KNOW HOW. 220 00:06:00,430 --> 00:06:01,996 >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER 221 00:06:02,065 --> 00:06:04,899 THE "TERMINATOR" MOVIES, WHERE 222 00:06:04,968 --> 00:06:05,500 THE COMPUTERS AND THE MACHINES 223 00:06:05,569 --> 00:06:06,200 STARTED ACTING LIKE HUMANS. 224 00:06:06,269 --> 00:06:07,135 THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF WHEN I 225 00:06:07,204 --> 00:06:07,570 THINK OF ARTIFICIAL 226 00:06:07,637 --> 00:06:10,638 INTELLIGENCE. 227 00:06:10,707 --> 00:06:14,509 >> AS SOMEONE WHO'S FAVORITE 228 00:06:14,578 --> 00:06:15,143 MOVIE IS "T2 JUDGMENT DAY", I'M 229 00:06:15,212 --> 00:06:15,777 CONCERNED ABOUT THESE MACHINES 230 00:06:15,846 --> 00:06:16,377 BECOMING SELF-AWARE AND TAKING 231 00:06:16,446 --> 00:06:17,945 OVER. 232 00:06:18,014 --> 00:06:18,813 I LAUGH, BUT I'M ALSO QUITE 233 00:06:18,882 --> 00:06:19,580 SERIOUS ABOUT IT. 234 00:06:19,649 --> 00:06:21,215 >> THERE WAS A MOVIE ABOUT THIS. 235 00:06:21,284 --> 00:06:21,883 WHICH ONE? 236 00:06:21,952 --> 00:06:22,784 >> "TERMINATOR". 237 00:06:22,853 --> 00:06:26,988 >> MAKES YOU HAVE A VISION OF 238 00:06:27,057 --> 00:06:27,490 "TERMINATOR" AND SKYNET. 239 00:06:27,557 --> 00:06:28,122 >> ALL OF US HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE 240 00:06:28,191 --> 00:06:30,358 "TERMINATOR", WE KNOW HOW THIS 241 00:06:30,427 --> 00:06:30,560 ENDS. 242 00:06:30,627 --> 00:06:34,328 >> I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. 243 00:06:34,397 --> 00:06:35,263 >> THIS IS "TERMINATOR" ALL OVER 244 00:06:35,332 --> 00:06:36,497 AGAIN. 245 00:06:36,566 --> 00:06:37,665 I'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE. 246 00:06:37,734 --> 00:06:40,334 >> YOU'RE SCARED OF AI? 247 00:06:40,403 --> 00:06:42,370 >> YES, I'M SCARED, HAVE YOU 248 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:42,772 SEEN "TERMINATOR"? 249 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,440 >> IS AI REALLY STEPS AWAY FROM 250 00:06:45,509 --> 00:06:47,742 BEING THE "TERMINATOR" OF 251 00:06:47,811 --> 00:06:50,511 HUMANITIES FUTURE? 252 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:51,913 PLUS, KYRA SEDGWICK IS LIVE TO 253 00:06:51,982 --> 00:06:54,215 TALK ABOUT CELEBRATING 35 YEARS 254 00:06:54,284 --> 00:06:56,184 OF MARRIAGE WITH KEVIN BACON. 255 00:06:56,253 --> 00:07:01,756 ♪ ♪ 256 00:07:01,825 --> 00:07:03,024 >> John: MOVING ON. 257 00:07:03,093 --> 00:07:04,692 OUR MAIN STORY TONIGHT CONCERNS 258 00:07:04,761 --> 00:07:05,693 ORGANS. 259 00:07:05,762 --> 00:07:06,961 WHAT I PERSONALLY THINK SHOULD 260 00:07:07,030 --> 00:07:08,496 BE INSIDE OF PINATAS. 261 00:07:08,565 --> 00:07:09,330 CHILDREN HAVE TO LEARN THAT 262 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:11,165 THEIR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. 263 00:07:11,234 --> 00:07:13,401 SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO 264 00:07:13,470 --> 00:07:13,937 TALK ABOUT ORGAN AND BODY 265 00:07:14,004 --> 00:07:16,604 DONATION. 266 00:07:16,673 --> 00:07:17,872 ORGAN TRANSPLANTS ARE A TOPIC 267 00:07:17,941 --> 00:07:18,441 THAT'S BEEN COVERED ON TV IN 268 00:07:18,508 --> 00:07:20,608 MANY PROFOUND WAYS, INCLUDING IN 269 00:07:20,677 --> 00:07:22,777 THIS MOVING CLIP. 270 00:07:22,846 --> 00:07:29,846 ♪ ♪ 271 00:07:35,592 --> 00:07:39,460 [LAUGHTER] 272 00:07:39,529 --> 00:07:46,529 ♪ ♪ 273 00:07:50,507 --> 00:07:52,840 >> John: YES! 274 00:07:52,909 --> 00:07:53,641 THAT'S WHAT'S KNOWN IN THE 275 00:07:53,710 --> 00:07:54,575 BUSINESS AS "EXCELLENT FUCKING 276 00:07:54,644 --> 00:07:55,743 TELEVISION." 277 00:07:55,812 --> 00:07:56,344 WE'VE ACTUALLY SHOWN YOU THAT 278 00:07:56,413 --> 00:07:57,779 CLIP BEFORE ON THIS SHOW, DURING 279 00:07:57,848 --> 00:07:59,013 A STORY ABOUT -- AND THIS IS 280 00:07:59,082 --> 00:08:01,282 TRUE -- POLICE INTERROGATIONS. 281 00:08:01,351 --> 00:08:02,917 AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY SHOW IT 282 00:08:02,986 --> 00:08:03,918 TO YOU AGAIN, WHENEVER THE FUCK 283 00:08:03,987 --> 00:08:06,020 WE FEEL LIKE IT. 284 00:08:06,089 --> 00:08:06,921 BUT THE POINT IS, ORGAN DONATION 285 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:08,489 IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS 286 00:08:08,558 --> 00:08:09,757 WHY THERE ARE SO MANY ADS 287 00:08:09,826 --> 00:08:11,626 ENCOURAGING YOU TO DO IT, AS 288 00:08:11,695 --> 00:08:12,860 WELL AS TV COMMERCIALS AND PSAS, 289 00:08:12,929 --> 00:08:14,262 PERHAPS NONE MORE BRILLIANT THAN 290 00:08:14,331 --> 00:08:17,465 THIS ONE FROM AUSTRALIA. 291 00:08:17,534 --> 00:08:19,267 >> HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE 292 00:08:19,336 --> 00:08:20,668 BECOMING AN ORGAN DONOR? 293 00:08:20,737 --> 00:08:22,336 >> IS THIS REALLY THE BEST TIME 294 00:08:22,405 --> 00:08:23,070 TO BRING THIS UP? 295 00:08:23,139 --> 00:08:23,738 >> OH, WE GET IT. 296 00:08:23,807 --> 00:08:24,338 YOU KNOW, NO ONE WANTS TO TALK 297 00:08:24,407 --> 00:08:25,907 ABOUT DEATH. 298 00:08:25,976 --> 00:08:27,742 UGH! 299 00:08:27,811 --> 00:08:29,243 BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL OF US ARE 300 00:08:29,312 --> 00:08:30,812 GOING TO THE ETERNAL PARADISE, 301 00:08:30,881 --> 00:08:32,947 AND YOUR ORGANS COULD SAVE THE 302 00:08:33,016 --> 00:08:34,248 LIVES OF UP TO SIX PEOPLE. 303 00:08:34,317 --> 00:08:34,717 >> SEVEN. 304 00:08:34,784 --> 00:08:36,317 SEVEN PEOPLE. 305 00:08:36,386 --> 00:08:37,185 NOT TO MENTION, HOW YOUR BONES 306 00:08:37,254 --> 00:08:38,653 AND SOFT TISSUE AND LIGAMENTS 307 00:08:38,722 --> 00:08:39,787 COULD CHANGE THE LIVES OF MANY 308 00:08:39,856 --> 00:08:40,888 OTHERS. 309 00:08:40,957 --> 00:08:42,290 >> AND CORNEAS. 310 00:08:42,359 --> 00:08:43,858 YOU'LL HELP BLIND PEOPLE SEE! 311 00:08:43,927 --> 00:08:45,526 >> WHAT A MIRACLE! 312 00:08:45,595 --> 00:08:47,929 >> OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD DO IT. 313 00:08:47,998 --> 00:08:49,330 I'M JESUS. 314 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:50,832 >> John: RIGHT, OF COURSE JESUS 315 00:08:50,901 --> 00:08:51,566 WOULD DO IT. 316 00:08:51,635 --> 00:08:52,200 THOUGH I WILL SAY, JESUS HAVING 317 00:08:52,269 --> 00:08:53,434 NONE OF HIS VITAL ORGANS MIGHT 318 00:08:53,503 --> 00:08:54,635 COMPLICATE HIS RESURRECTION 319 00:08:54,704 --> 00:08:56,304 THREE DAYS LATER. 320 00:08:56,373 --> 00:08:58,139 EASTER PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AS 321 00:08:58,208 --> 00:08:59,607 BIG IF IT CELEBRATED THE DAY 322 00:08:59,676 --> 00:09:00,741 JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND 323 00:09:00,810 --> 00:09:02,043 THEN INSTANTLY DIED AGAIN FROM 324 00:09:02,112 --> 00:09:03,478 RENAL FAILURE. 325 00:09:03,547 --> 00:09:05,246 BUT THAT AD IS RIGHT! 326 00:09:05,315 --> 00:09:07,181 ORGAN DONATION SAVES LIVES! 327 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:07,815 AND HERE IN THE U.S., IT'S 328 00:09:07,884 --> 00:09:09,784 WIDELY POPULAR. 329 00:09:09,853 --> 00:09:10,952 SURVEYS HAVE CONSISTENTLY FOUND 330 00:09:11,021 --> 00:09:13,354 90% OR MORE OF AMERICANS 331 00:09:13,423 --> 00:09:14,122 INDICATING THEIR SUPPORT FOR 332 00:09:14,191 --> 00:09:14,856 ORGAN DONATION. 333 00:09:14,925 --> 00:09:16,224 AND AROUND HALF OF RESPONDENTS 334 00:09:16,293 --> 00:09:17,225 TO A RECENT SURVEY HAD SIGNED UP 335 00:09:17,294 --> 00:09:18,860 AS DONORS. 336 00:09:18,929 --> 00:09:20,428 AND A LOT OF LIVES GET SAVED 337 00:09:20,497 --> 00:09:21,662 THIS WAY. 338 00:09:21,731 --> 00:09:24,665 LAST YEAR, THERE WERE OVER 339 00:09:24,734 --> 00:09:25,168 42,000 ORGAN TRANSPLANTS 340 00:09:25,235 --> 00:09:26,067 PERFORMED HERE IN THE US. 341 00:09:26,136 --> 00:09:27,735 BUT THE SYSTEM THAT HANDLES OUR 342 00:09:27,804 --> 00:09:28,669 DONATIONS HAS CONSIDERABLE FLAWS 343 00:09:28,738 --> 00:09:30,571 -- WHICH SOMETIMES LEAK INTO 344 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,639 PUBLIC VIEW, THROUGH STORIES 345 00:09:31,708 --> 00:09:33,174 LIKE THIS ONE, ABOUT A DONOR 346 00:09:33,243 --> 00:09:34,942 HEART THAT WAS BEING SENT FOR 347 00:09:35,011 --> 00:09:35,543 PROCESSING TO MAKE LIFE-SAVING 348 00:09:35,612 --> 00:09:38,279 TISSUE GRAFTS. 349 00:09:38,348 --> 00:09:39,580 >> A SOUTHWEST AIRLINES FLIGHT 350 00:09:39,649 --> 00:09:40,982 HAD TO TURN AROUND BECAUSE 351 00:09:41,051 --> 00:09:41,849 SOMEONE LEFT A HUMAN HEART ON 352 00:09:41,918 --> 00:09:43,951 BOARD. 353 00:09:44,020 --> 00:09:45,019 THIS HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND. 354 00:09:45,088 --> 00:09:45,853 THIS WAS A DONOR HEART OF 355 00:09:45,922 --> 00:09:46,554 COURSE. 356 00:09:46,623 --> 00:09:48,489 IT WAS HEADED TO A CLINIC IN 357 00:09:48,558 --> 00:09:49,323 SEATTLE FROM SACRAMENTO, BUT 358 00:09:49,392 --> 00:09:50,458 SOMEONE APPARENTLY FORGOT TO 359 00:09:50,527 --> 00:09:51,926 UNLOAD THAT HEART WHEN IT 360 00:09:51,995 --> 00:09:53,427 REACHED SEATTLE. 361 00:09:53,496 --> 00:09:54,762 >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE 362 00:09:54,831 --> 00:09:55,863 PILOT MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHEN 363 00:09:55,932 --> 00:09:58,166 THEY TURNED AROUND THAT THEY 364 00:09:58,235 --> 00:09:58,900 WERE RETURNING BECAUSE THERE WAS 365 00:09:58,969 --> 00:09:59,967 A HEART THAT HAD BEEN LEFT ON 366 00:10:00,036 --> 00:10:01,669 BOARD. 367 00:10:01,738 --> 00:10:03,171 >> John: THAT IS AWFUL! 368 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,106 FIRST, "I LEFT YOUR HEART ON A 369 00:10:05,175 --> 00:10:06,908 SOUTHWEST FLIGHT" 100% SOUNDS 370 00:10:06,977 --> 00:10:08,743 LIKE A LANA DEL REY LYRIC. 371 00:10:08,812 --> 00:10:10,778 BUT ALSO, IT'S WORTH MENTIONING, 372 00:10:10,847 --> 00:10:12,280 A FEW YEARS AGO, SOUTHWEST 373 00:10:12,349 --> 00:10:13,714 CELEBRATED THEIR FIFTIETH 374 00:10:13,783 --> 00:10:14,582 ANNIVERSARY WITH A CAMPAIGN 375 00:10:14,651 --> 00:10:15,983 FEATURING THIS GRAPHIC AND THE 376 00:10:16,052 --> 00:10:17,185 WORDS "FIFTY YEARS. 377 00:10:17,254 --> 00:10:18,686 ONE HEART." 378 00:10:18,755 --> 00:10:19,620 WHICH PROBABLY SHOULD'VE BEEN 379 00:10:19,689 --> 00:10:20,922 UPDATED TO READ "FIFTY YEARS, 380 00:10:20,991 --> 00:10:21,556 ONE HEART THAT WE TOTALLY FORGOT 381 00:10:21,625 --> 00:10:22,058 ABOUT AND ALMOST SENT TO 382 00:10:22,125 --> 00:10:24,892 DALLAS." 383 00:10:24,961 --> 00:10:26,894 AND WHILE WE THANKFULLY HAD OVER 384 00:10:26,963 --> 00:10:27,495 42,000 TRANSPLANTS LAST YEAR, 385 00:10:27,564 --> 00:10:29,230 THE LIST OF THOSE WAITING FOR 386 00:10:29,299 --> 00:10:30,932 ONE IS OVER 100,000 PEOPLE LONG, 387 00:10:31,001 --> 00:10:32,767 WITH 17 PEOPLE DYING EACH DAY 388 00:10:32,836 --> 00:10:35,937 WAITING FOR A TRANSPLANT. 389 00:10:36,006 --> 00:10:38,406 MAKING IT PRETTY FRUSTRATING 390 00:10:38,475 --> 00:10:39,040 THAT EXPERTS SAY MANY THOUSANDS 391 00:10:39,109 --> 00:10:40,641 MORE COULD BE DONE EACH YEAR IF 392 00:10:40,710 --> 00:10:41,342 OUR ORGAN-TRANSPLANT SYSTEM 393 00:10:41,411 --> 00:10:43,845 FUNCTIONED SMOOTHLY. 394 00:10:43,914 --> 00:10:44,445 IT'S FRANKLY NO WONDER PEOPLE 395 00:10:44,514 --> 00:10:46,247 ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO 396 00:10:46,316 --> 00:10:47,748 CIRCUMVENT THE SYSTEM, BY 397 00:10:47,817 --> 00:10:48,382 POSTING CRAIGSLIST ADS, PUTTING 398 00:10:48,451 --> 00:10:50,318 UP SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, OR EVEN 399 00:10:50,387 --> 00:10:52,587 DOING THIS. 400 00:10:52,656 --> 00:10:54,655 >> MARC NEEDS A KIDNEY. 401 00:10:54,724 --> 00:10:55,256 AND NOW, BECAUSE OF THIS GIANT 402 00:10:55,325 --> 00:10:57,625 BILLBOARD, THAT VITAL MESSAGE IS 403 00:10:57,694 --> 00:10:58,759 REACHING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS 404 00:10:58,828 --> 00:10:59,927 OF PEOPLE AS THEY PASS THROUGH 405 00:10:59,996 --> 00:11:03,331 THE CROSSROADS OF THE WORLD. 406 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:03,931 >> John: IT'S TRUE, A MAN IN 407 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,233 NEED OF A KIDNEY RESORTED TO 408 00:11:05,302 --> 00:11:06,667 PUTTING UP A GIANT BILLBOARD IN 409 00:11:06,736 --> 00:11:07,602 TIMES SQUARE. 410 00:11:07,671 --> 00:11:09,604 AND THAT IS CLEARLY NOT WHAT 411 00:11:09,673 --> 00:11:10,571 BILLBOARDS SHOULD BE USED FOR. 412 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:11,839 THEY SHOULD BE USED TO ADVERTISE 413 00:11:11,908 --> 00:11:13,541 BROADWAY MUSICALS, SPORTSWEAR, 414 00:11:13,610 --> 00:11:14,342 OR A WEIRD BIRD THAT SOMEONE 415 00:11:14,411 --> 00:11:15,977 WANTS TO WIN A CONTEST ON THE 416 00:11:16,046 --> 00:11:16,978 OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD FOR SOME 417 00:11:17,047 --> 00:11:19,147 REASON. 418 00:11:19,216 --> 00:11:20,381 NOW, THE GOOD NEWS IS, THAT AD 419 00:11:20,450 --> 00:11:21,482 HELPED THAT MAN TO FIND A LIVING 420 00:11:21,551 --> 00:11:23,184 KIDNEY DONOR. 421 00:11:23,253 --> 00:11:24,218 BUT, AGAIN, MANY AREN'T THAT 422 00:11:24,287 --> 00:11:26,521 FORTUNATE. 423 00:11:26,590 --> 00:11:28,256 AND THE ISSUE HERE ISN'T JUST 424 00:11:28,325 --> 00:11:29,524 WITH ORGANS -- BECAUSE IN A 425 00:11:29,593 --> 00:11:30,525 COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROCESS, 426 00:11:30,594 --> 00:11:31,859 EACH YEAR, AROUND 20,000 427 00:11:31,928 --> 00:11:33,327 AMERICANS GENEROUSLY DONATE 428 00:11:33,396 --> 00:11:35,596 THEIR WHOLE BODIES TO SCIENCE. 429 00:11:35,665 --> 00:11:37,331 BUT THAT SYSTEM HAS ITS OWN 430 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,933 ISSUES, BECAUSE THE DEFINITION 431 00:11:39,002 --> 00:11:40,067 OF WHAT CONSTITUTES "SCIENCE" 432 00:11:40,136 --> 00:11:41,836 CAN BE PRETTY LOOSE. 433 00:11:41,905 --> 00:11:42,737 YOUR BODY COULD END UP EDUCATING 434 00:11:42,806 --> 00:11:44,205 MEDICAL STUDENTS. 435 00:11:44,274 --> 00:11:45,206 BUT IT COULD ALSO END UP 436 00:11:45,275 --> 00:11:48,576 SOMEWHERE LIKE THE OKLAHOMA CITY 437 00:11:48,645 --> 00:11:50,611 MUSEUM OF OSTEOLOGY. 438 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:52,013 >> THIS IS OUR HUMAN EXHIBIT. 439 00:11:52,082 --> 00:11:53,147 >> SO WHEN SOMEBODY AGREES TO 440 00:11:53,216 --> 00:11:54,849 DONATE THEIR BODY TO SCIENCE, 441 00:11:54,918 --> 00:11:58,386 THEY COULD END UP HERE. 442 00:11:58,455 --> 00:11:59,020 >> IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD END 443 00:11:59,089 --> 00:12:01,589 UP HERE. 444 00:12:01,658 --> 00:12:02,657 >> DO YOU THINK, THOUGH, THAT 445 00:12:02,726 --> 00:12:03,291 PEOPLE, WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT A 446 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,726 DONATION OF -- OF THEIR BODY TO 447 00:12:05,795 --> 00:12:06,761 SCIENCE, THAT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE 448 00:12:06,830 --> 00:12:07,528 OF THAT? 449 00:12:07,597 --> 00:12:08,996 >> I WOULD AUTOMATICALLY THINK 450 00:12:09,065 --> 00:12:10,298 IT WOULD BE, YES. 451 00:12:10,367 --> 00:12:10,867 >> John: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT 452 00:12:10,934 --> 00:12:12,533 THAT? 453 00:12:12,602 --> 00:12:13,568 WHEN MOST PEOPLE THINK ABOUT 454 00:12:13,637 --> 00:12:14,836 DONATING THEIR BODY TO SCIENCE, 455 00:12:14,905 --> 00:12:16,571 THEY PICTURE IT IN A REPUTABLE 456 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,572 EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION -- NOT 457 00:12:17,641 --> 00:12:19,607 IN SOME ROADSIDE BONE 458 00:12:19,676 --> 00:12:20,908 COLLECTION, FACE DOWN, ASS UP, 459 00:12:20,977 --> 00:12:22,944 ARRANGED IN A FORMATION BEST 460 00:12:23,013 --> 00:12:24,412 DESCRIBED AS "CIRQUE DU SOLEIL 461 00:12:24,481 --> 00:12:25,179 PERFORMER'S FAVORITE SEX 462 00:12:25,248 --> 00:12:26,848 POSITION." 463 00:12:26,917 --> 00:12:28,649 THE FACT IS, OUR DONATED ORGANS 464 00:12:28,718 --> 00:12:30,518 -- WHILE BEING INCREDIBLY 465 00:12:30,587 --> 00:12:31,586 IMPORTANT TO SAVING LIVES -- ARE 466 00:12:31,655 --> 00:12:34,255 NOT GETTING INTO ENOUGH PEOPLE. 467 00:12:34,324 --> 00:12:34,791 AND OUR DONATED BODIES -- 468 00:12:34,858 --> 00:12:35,291 INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO 469 00:12:35,358 --> 00:12:37,058 ADVANCING KNOWLEDGE -- AREN'T 470 00:12:37,127 --> 00:12:37,658 ALWAYS TREATED WITH THE CARE 471 00:12:37,727 --> 00:12:39,994 THEY DESERVE. 472 00:12:40,063 --> 00:12:40,628 SO TONIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR 473 00:12:40,697 --> 00:12:42,797 DONATION SYSTEMS FOR BOTH AND 474 00:12:42,866 --> 00:12:43,431 LET'S START WITH THE SYSTEM FOR 475 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:45,700 ORGANS. 476 00:12:45,769 --> 00:12:46,901 ORGAN TRANSPLANTS ARE FAIRLY 477 00:12:46,970 --> 00:12:48,236 RECENT. 478 00:12:48,305 --> 00:12:49,103 THE FIRST SUCCESSFUL OPERATION 479 00:12:49,172 --> 00:12:50,605 ONLY TOOK PLACE IN 1954. 480 00:12:50,674 --> 00:12:51,639 FOR A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE, THAT 481 00:12:51,708 --> 00:12:52,707 WAS THE YEAR OPRAH WAS BORN. 482 00:12:52,776 --> 00:12:54,075 ORGAN TRANSPLANTATION IS ONLY 483 00:12:54,144 --> 00:12:55,109 ONE OPRAH OLD! 484 00:12:55,178 --> 00:12:58,746 FROM THERE, TRANSPLANTS WENT 485 00:12:58,815 --> 00:13:02,817 BECAME MORE COMMON. 486 00:13:02,886 --> 00:13:03,417 IN 1984, CONGRESS PASSED THE 487 00:13:03,486 --> 00:13:04,352 NATIONAL ORGAN TRANSPLANT ACT 488 00:13:04,421 --> 00:13:05,520 THAT BANS THE SALE OF HUMAN 489 00:13:05,589 --> 00:13:07,522 ORGANS, AND ACTUALLY OPENED UP 490 00:13:07,591 --> 00:13:08,589 ACCESS BY ESTABLISHING A 491 00:13:08,658 --> 00:13:09,757 NATIONAL REGISTRY FOR ORGAN 492 00:13:09,826 --> 00:13:11,125 MATCHING, TO BE RUN BY A PRIVATE 493 00:13:11,194 --> 00:13:15,363 NONPROFIT UNDER GOVERNMENT 494 00:13:15,432 --> 00:13:15,865 CONTRACT. 495 00:13:15,932 --> 00:13:16,497 AND THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S HELD 496 00:13:16,566 --> 00:13:19,333 IT EVER SINCE, IS CALLED UNOS, 497 00:13:19,402 --> 00:13:19,967 OR THE UNITED NETWORK FOR ORGAN 498 00:13:20,036 --> 00:13:22,336 SHARING. 499 00:13:22,405 --> 00:13:22,937 IT'S A NATIONAL BODY THAT SITS 500 00:13:23,006 --> 00:13:23,440 ATOP 56 REGIONAL "ORGAN 501 00:13:23,507 --> 00:13:27,175 PROCUREMENT ORGANIZATIONS"-- AND 502 00:13:27,244 --> 00:13:27,775 WE'LL GET INTO THEM IN A BIT. 503 00:13:27,844 --> 00:13:28,709 BUT UNOS ALSO MANAGES THE 504 00:13:28,778 --> 00:13:30,611 NATIONWIDE TRANSPLANT WAITING 505 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:32,046 LIST. 506 00:13:32,115 --> 00:13:34,182 AND IN THIS DOCUMENTARY FROM 20 507 00:13:34,251 --> 00:13:34,751 YEARS AGO, THE HEAD OF UNOS 508 00:13:34,818 --> 00:13:35,983 EXPLAINED THE LOGISTICS THAT GO 509 00:13:36,052 --> 00:13:37,185 INTO DECIDING WHO GETS WHICH 510 00:13:37,254 --> 00:13:39,086 ORGAN. 511 00:13:39,155 --> 00:13:40,788 >> MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT THE 512 00:13:40,857 --> 00:13:42,256 WAY THE WAITING LIST WORKS IS 513 00:13:42,325 --> 00:13:43,724 THAT ONCE A PERSON IS ON THE 514 00:13:43,793 --> 00:13:45,293 LIST, THAT THEY JUST SIMPLY STAY 515 00:13:45,362 --> 00:13:46,461 ON THE LIST UNTIL TIME HAS 516 00:13:46,530 --> 00:13:47,061 PASSED AND THEY MOVE UP TO THE 517 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:48,196 TOP OF THE LIST AND RECEIVE AN 518 00:13:48,265 --> 00:13:49,697 ORGAN. 519 00:13:49,766 --> 00:13:51,432 BUT IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. 520 00:13:51,501 --> 00:13:52,733 IT'S A VERY DYNAMIC AND FLUID 521 00:13:52,802 --> 00:13:54,735 SITUATION, IN WHICH EACH PERSON 522 00:13:54,804 --> 00:13:57,138 IS EVALUATED BASED ON MEDICAL 523 00:13:57,207 --> 00:13:58,439 CRITERIA, MATCHED WITH 524 00:13:58,508 --> 00:13:59,974 INFORMATION THAT'S PLACED IN THE 525 00:14:00,043 --> 00:14:02,510 COMPUTER ABOUT EACH ORGAN DONOR. 526 00:14:02,579 --> 00:14:03,211 >> John: RIGHT. 527 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:03,845 WHILE YOU MIGHT ASSUME THAT YOU 528 00:14:03,914 --> 00:14:05,313 JUST GET ON THE LIST, WAIT YOUR 529 00:14:05,382 --> 00:14:05,913 TURN, AN ORGAN ARRIVES FOR YOU 530 00:14:05,982 --> 00:14:08,349 AT THE HOSPITAL, AND A DOG EATS 531 00:14:08,418 --> 00:14:08,983 IT OFF THE FLOOR WHILE EVERYONE 532 00:14:09,052 --> 00:14:10,151 NEARBY JUST KIND OF ROLLS WITH 533 00:14:10,220 --> 00:14:11,586 IT, THE ACTUAL MATCHING PROCESS 534 00:14:11,655 --> 00:14:12,854 CHANGES CONSTANTLY BASED ON 535 00:14:12,923 --> 00:14:13,654 WHICH ORGANS ARE AVAILABLE AND 536 00:14:13,723 --> 00:14:14,255 WHICH PATIENTS MOST NEED THEM, 537 00:14:14,324 --> 00:14:15,423 AND IN THEORY, THAT SOUNDS 538 00:14:15,492 --> 00:14:19,827 AMAZING. 539 00:14:19,896 --> 00:14:21,529 BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROBLEMS. 540 00:14:21,598 --> 00:14:22,363 FOR STARTERS, UNOS'S COMPUTER 541 00:14:22,432 --> 00:14:23,231 SYSTEMS LEAVE A LOT TO BE 542 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:25,600 DESIRED. 543 00:14:25,669 --> 00:14:26,169 A GOVERNMENT REPORT IN 2021 544 00:14:26,236 --> 00:14:27,668 CITED AGED SOFTWARE, PERIODIC 545 00:14:27,737 --> 00:14:29,070 SYSTEM FAILURES, MISTAKES IN 546 00:14:29,139 --> 00:14:30,571 PROGRAMMING, AND OVERRELIANCE ON 547 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,773 MANUAL INPUT OF DATA. 548 00:14:31,842 --> 00:14:34,075 INVESTIGATORS EVEN CITED 549 00:14:34,144 --> 00:14:35,343 MULTIPLE SYSTEM OUTAGES, WITH 550 00:14:35,412 --> 00:14:36,410 ONE FROM TWO YEARS AGO LASTING 551 00:14:36,479 --> 00:14:37,111 ABOUT THREE HOURS, WHICH ISN'T 552 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:39,614 GOOD. 553 00:14:39,683 --> 00:14:40,548 BECAUSE EVERY MINUTE MATTERS 554 00:14:40,617 --> 00:14:42,116 WHEN IT COMES TO THE VIABILITY 555 00:14:42,185 --> 00:14:43,584 OF AN ORGAN FOR A TRANSPLANT, 556 00:14:43,653 --> 00:14:44,685 AND AS ANYONE WHO'S SEEN 557 00:14:44,754 --> 00:14:45,820 "KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON" CAN 558 00:14:45,889 --> 00:14:48,589 TELL YOU, THREE HOURS CAN BE AN 559 00:14:48,658 --> 00:14:51,092 INCREDIBLY LONG TIME. 560 00:14:51,161 --> 00:14:51,959 BUT IT'S NOT JUST TECHNICAL 561 00:14:52,028 --> 00:14:52,693 ERRORS -- THERE ARE ALSO SERIOUS 562 00:14:52,762 --> 00:14:54,228 ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE WAYS 563 00:14:54,297 --> 00:14:55,863 UNOS HAS RANKED PATIENTS IN 564 00:14:55,932 --> 00:14:56,831 TERMS OF NEED, MOST NOTABLY, 565 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:57,799 WHEN IT COMES TO KIDNEYS. 566 00:14:57,868 --> 00:15:00,401 FOR YEARS, IT ALLOWED TRANSPLANT 567 00:15:00,470 --> 00:15:02,136 CENTERS TO EMPLOY SOMETHING 568 00:15:02,205 --> 00:15:03,070 CALLED A BLACK RACE COEFFICIENT. 569 00:15:03,139 --> 00:15:04,038 WHICH IS JUST AS BAD AS IT 570 00:15:04,107 --> 00:15:07,442 SOUNDS. 571 00:15:07,511 --> 00:15:08,643 VERY BASICALLY, HOSPITALS 572 00:15:08,712 --> 00:15:09,744 MISCALCULATED BLACK PATIENTS' 573 00:15:09,813 --> 00:15:11,312 KIDNEY FUNCTION, BASED ON RACIST 574 00:15:11,381 --> 00:15:12,413 JUNK SCIENCE THAT SAID BLACK 575 00:15:12,482 --> 00:15:13,948 BODIES HAVE HIGHER MUSCLE MASS. 576 00:15:14,017 --> 00:15:15,116 THAT MADE BLACK PATIENTS APPEAR 577 00:15:15,185 --> 00:15:19,187 HEALTHIER THAN THEY WERE, 578 00:15:19,256 --> 00:15:19,756 PUSHING THEM DOWN THE KIDNEY 579 00:15:19,823 --> 00:15:21,088 TRANSPLANT LIST, AND IT'S ONE 580 00:15:21,157 --> 00:15:22,490 REASON WHY -- EVEN THOUGH BLACK 581 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:23,124 PEOPLE ARE FOUR TIMES AS LIKELY 582 00:15:23,193 --> 00:15:26,894 TO DEVELOP KIDNEY FAILURE AS 583 00:15:26,963 --> 00:15:27,495 WHITE PEOPLE -- THEY ARE MUCH 584 00:15:27,564 --> 00:15:27,997 LESS LIKELY TO RECEIVE A 585 00:15:28,064 --> 00:15:29,197 TRANSPLANT. 586 00:15:29,266 --> 00:15:29,931 AND WHILE UNOS'S TRANSPLANT 587 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:30,832 NETWORK DID APPROVE THE 588 00:15:30,901 --> 00:15:31,699 ELIMINATION OF RACE-BASED 589 00:15:31,768 --> 00:15:33,234 CALCULATIONS, THEY ONLY DID THAT 590 00:15:33,303 --> 00:15:34,469 LAST YEAR AND HAVE GIVEN 591 00:15:34,538 --> 00:15:35,770 HOSPITALS UNTIL JANUARY OF NEXT 592 00:15:35,839 --> 00:15:37,672 YEAR TO UPDATE THEIR WAITING 593 00:15:37,741 --> 00:15:40,875 LISTS. 594 00:15:40,944 --> 00:15:41,411 WHICH FEELS LIKE TOO LONG, 595 00:15:41,478 --> 00:15:42,743 CONSIDERING THAT THE CORRECT 596 00:15:42,812 --> 00:15:44,245 TIME TO FIX THAT PROBLEM IS 597 00:15:44,314 --> 00:15:46,647 "FUCKING AGES AGO." 598 00:15:46,716 --> 00:15:47,248 AND THEN THERE'S THE FACT THAT 599 00:15:47,317 --> 00:15:47,882 RICH PEOPLE CAN ESSENTIALLY CUT 600 00:15:47,951 --> 00:15:49,450 THE LINE. 601 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:50,051 THE WAY THEY CAN DO THIS IS BY 602 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,252 REGISTERING THEMSELVES AT 603 00:15:51,321 --> 00:15:52,887 MULTIPLE TRANSPLANT HOSPITALS IN 604 00:15:52,956 --> 00:15:56,424 MULTIPLE STATES, WITH THE PLAN 605 00:15:56,493 --> 00:15:57,024 TO FLY SOMEWHERE ON A MOMENT'S 606 00:15:57,093 --> 00:15:59,427 NOTICE IF ONE BECOMES AVAILABLE. 607 00:15:59,496 --> 00:16:00,261 IT'S CALLED "MULTIPLE LISTING," 608 00:16:00,330 --> 00:16:01,762 AND IT'S HOW, IN 2009, 609 00:16:01,831 --> 00:16:02,563 STEVE JOBS WAS ABLE TO GET A 610 00:16:02,632 --> 00:16:05,967 LIVER IN A MATTER OF WEEKS IN 611 00:16:06,036 --> 00:16:06,503 MEMPHIS DESPITE LIVING IN 612 00:16:06,570 --> 00:16:07,101 CALIFORNIA, WHERE THERE WAS A 613 00:16:07,170 --> 00:16:09,570 LONG WAIT LIST. 614 00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:10,204 BUT THERE IS AN OBVIOUS REASON 615 00:16:10,273 --> 00:16:11,539 THAT POLICY DOESN'T WORK FOR 616 00:16:11,608 --> 00:16:12,807 PEOPLE WHO AREN'T BILLIONAIRE 617 00:16:12,876 --> 00:16:15,143 CEO'S. 618 00:16:15,212 --> 00:16:15,777 >> HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TOLD THAT 619 00:16:15,846 --> 00:16:17,445 YOU CAN BE ON MULTIPLE LISTS IN 620 00:16:17,514 --> 00:16:19,714 CENTERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY? 621 00:16:19,783 --> 00:16:19,916 >> NO. 622 00:16:19,983 --> 00:16:23,818 THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. 623 00:16:23,887 --> 00:16:24,387 >> WE EXPLAINED THE COSTS. 624 00:16:24,454 --> 00:16:25,019 COULD YOU AFFORD TO FLY TO THOSE 625 00:16:25,088 --> 00:16:29,924 PLACES? 626 00:16:29,993 --> 00:16:30,260 >> NO. 627 00:16:30,327 --> 00:16:31,359 I DON'T THINK SO. 628 00:16:31,428 --> 00:16:31,795 >> John: OF COURSE. 629 00:16:31,862 --> 00:16:33,294 BOOKING A LAST-MINUTE TICKET CAN 630 00:16:33,363 --> 00:16:34,529 BE REALLY EXPENSIVE, EVEN ON A 631 00:16:34,598 --> 00:16:36,130 CHEAP AIRLINE LIKE THE ONE WHOSE 632 00:16:36,199 --> 00:16:36,764 LOGO REMINDS YOU THAT THEY ONCE 633 00:16:36,833 --> 00:16:38,332 LOST TRACK OF A HUMAN HEART ON 634 00:16:38,401 --> 00:16:38,966 ONE OF THEIR GREYHOUND BUSES OF 635 00:16:39,035 --> 00:16:44,071 THE SKY. 636 00:16:44,140 --> 00:16:44,705 AND THERE'S ONE FINAL ISSUE WITH 637 00:16:44,774 --> 00:16:45,573 UNOS, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO ALSO 638 00:16:45,642 --> 00:16:48,209 COORDINATE SHIPPING OF ORGANS 639 00:16:48,278 --> 00:16:49,477 BETWEEN REGIONS -- FOR INSTANCE, 640 00:16:49,546 --> 00:16:50,378 A KIDNEY THAT MATCHES A RARE 641 00:16:50,447 --> 00:16:51,712 BLOOD TYPE MAY NEED TO BE FLOWN 642 00:16:51,781 --> 00:16:54,415 TO ANOTHER STATE. 643 00:16:54,484 --> 00:16:55,016 BUT EVEN THERE, IT RELIES ON A 644 00:16:55,085 --> 00:16:56,918 PRIMITIVE SYSTEM OF PHONE CALLS 645 00:16:56,987 --> 00:16:57,552 AND PAPER MANIFESTS, WITH NO GPS 646 00:16:57,621 --> 00:16:58,786 OR OTHER ELECTRONIC TRACKING 647 00:16:58,855 --> 00:17:00,688 REQUIRED. 648 00:17:00,757 --> 00:17:01,656 AND THAT -- COMBINED WITH 649 00:17:01,725 --> 00:17:02,256 FUCKUPS BY AIRLINES AND LOCAL 650 00:17:02,325 --> 00:17:03,357 ORGANIZATIONS -- HELPS EXPLAIN 651 00:17:03,426 --> 00:17:03,927 WHY NEARLY 170 ORGANS OVER A 652 00:17:03,994 --> 00:17:06,227 RECENT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD COULD 653 00:17:06,296 --> 00:17:10,364 NOT BE TRANSPLANTED DUE TO 654 00:17:10,433 --> 00:17:12,300 TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS. 655 00:17:12,369 --> 00:17:12,869 KIDNEYS HAVE SHOWN UP LATE, 656 00:17:12,936 --> 00:17:15,036 DAMAGED, OR -- IN ONE CASE -- IN 657 00:17:15,105 --> 00:17:15,937 A PACKAGE THAT WAS "SQUISHED," 658 00:17:16,006 --> 00:17:19,173 WITH APPARENT TIRE MARKS ON IT. 659 00:17:19,242 --> 00:17:19,807 AND NO DOCTOR SHOULD HAVE TO USE 660 00:17:19,876 --> 00:17:22,710 A FLATTENED ORGAN. 661 00:17:22,779 --> 00:17:23,344 THEY'RE PERFORMING A TRANSPLANT, 662 00:17:23,413 --> 00:17:24,479 NOT MAKING KIDNEY PICCATA. 663 00:17:24,548 --> 00:17:27,648 ONE DIRECTOR OF A TRANSPLANT 664 00:17:27,717 --> 00:17:28,184 CENTER SUMS UP THE CURRENT 665 00:17:28,251 --> 00:17:30,785 SITUATION LIKE THIS. 666 00:17:30,854 --> 00:17:31,385 >> WHEN YOU ORDER A TOOTHBRUSH 667 00:17:31,454 --> 00:17:35,656 ON AMAZON, THEY CAN TELL YOU 668 00:17:35,725 --> 00:17:36,226 MINUTE TO MINUTE WHERE THAT 669 00:17:36,293 --> 00:17:39,160 TOOTHBRUSH IS. 670 00:17:39,229 --> 00:17:40,328 WELL, THAT'S NOT BEEN POSSIBLE 671 00:17:40,397 --> 00:17:44,532 FOR ORGAN TRANSPLANTATION, EVEN 672 00:17:44,601 --> 00:17:45,466 THOUGH WE THINK THAT WHAT WE DO 673 00:17:45,535 --> 00:17:47,435 IS CONSIDERABLY MORE IMPORTANT 674 00:17:47,504 --> 00:17:50,471 THAN ORDERING A TOOTHBRUSH. 675 00:17:50,540 --> 00:17:50,974 >> John: LOOK, WE SHOULD 676 00:17:51,041 --> 00:17:51,508 OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO TRACK 677 00:17:51,575 --> 00:17:52,075 ORGANS AS EASILY AS WE TRACK 678 00:17:52,142 --> 00:17:52,442 AMAZON PACKAGES. 679 00:17:52,509 --> 00:17:53,040 AND DO YOU REALIZE HOW SHITTY 680 00:17:53,109 --> 00:17:53,674 YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS TO BE FOR 681 00:17:53,743 --> 00:17:54,375 ME TO SAY: "BE MORE LIKE 682 00:17:54,444 --> 00:17:56,377 AMAZON?" 683 00:17:56,446 --> 00:17:56,978 THINGS HAVE TO BE PRETTY DICEY 684 00:17:57,047 --> 00:17:59,614 FOR ME TO LOOK INTO A CAMERA AND 685 00:17:59,683 --> 00:18:00,314 SAY WITH MY ACTUAL MOUTH, 686 00:18:00,383 --> 00:18:02,216 "PLEASE BE MORE LIKE THE 687 00:18:02,285 --> 00:18:02,950 SOULLESS MEGACORPORATION CREATED 688 00:18:03,019 --> 00:18:10,019 BY EVIL MR. CLEAN HERE." 689 00:18:10,427 --> 00:18:10,992 SO, TO PUT IT MILDLY, UNOS COULD 690 00:18:11,061 --> 00:18:14,061 AND SHOULD BE DOING A LOT 691 00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:14,497 BETTER. 692 00:18:14,564 --> 00:18:15,096 AND IT'LL SAY THAT IT HAS NEW 693 00:18:15,165 --> 00:18:15,730 LEADERSHIP NOW, AND THAT THEY'RE 694 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:16,364 PUSHING FOR GPS TRACKING OF ALL 695 00:18:16,433 --> 00:18:19,467 ORGANS, WHICH IS GOOD. 696 00:18:19,536 --> 00:18:20,101 BUT THESE CHANGES HAVE BEEN TOO 697 00:18:20,170 --> 00:18:21,502 LONG COMING. 698 00:18:21,571 --> 00:18:22,136 AND UNOS IS NOT THE ONLY PLAYER 699 00:18:22,205 --> 00:18:26,174 HERE. 700 00:18:26,243 --> 00:18:27,074 REMEMBER, THERE ARE ALSO THE 56 701 00:18:27,143 --> 00:18:27,742 ORGAN PROCUREMENT ORGANIZATIONS, 702 00:18:27,811 --> 00:18:28,876 OR OPOs. 703 00:18:28,945 --> 00:18:29,510 EACH OPERATES EXCLUSIVELY IN ITS 704 00:18:29,579 --> 00:18:31,379 REGION AND IS TASKED WITH 705 00:18:31,448 --> 00:18:34,382 WORKING WITH THE FAMILIES OF 706 00:18:34,451 --> 00:18:34,884 DONORS, FACILITATING THE 707 00:18:34,951 --> 00:18:36,918 RECOVERY OF ORGANS, AND 708 00:18:36,987 --> 00:18:37,552 COORDINATING THEIR DELIVERY TO 709 00:18:37,621 --> 00:18:39,387 THE TRANSPLANT HOSPITAL. 710 00:18:39,456 --> 00:18:40,021 AND LET ME SAY, THE JOB THEY DO 711 00:18:40,090 --> 00:18:41,222 IS VERY DIFFICULT. 712 00:18:41,291 --> 00:18:42,723 BY ONE ESTIMATE, LESS THAN 2% OF 713 00:18:42,792 --> 00:18:44,225 U.S. DEATHS OCCUR UNDER 714 00:18:44,294 --> 00:18:44,794 CIRCUMSTANCES CONDUCIVE TO 715 00:18:44,861 --> 00:18:46,461 DONATION -- TYPICALLY, THAT 716 00:18:46,530 --> 00:18:50,865 ENTAILS SOMEONE BEING DECLARED 717 00:18:50,934 --> 00:18:52,433 BRAIN DEAD, ON A VENTILATOR, IN 718 00:18:52,502 --> 00:18:53,868 A HOSPITAL, WITH OXYGEN AND 719 00:18:53,937 --> 00:18:56,270 BLOOD FLOWING TO THEIR ORGANS. 720 00:18:56,339 --> 00:18:57,872 AND OPO'S HAVE TO APPROACH 721 00:18:57,941 --> 00:18:58,873 FAMILIES FOR CONSENT AT A TIME 722 00:18:58,942 --> 00:19:00,641 WHEN THEY'RE OFTEN IN SHOCK 723 00:19:00,710 --> 00:19:01,943 ABOUT WHAT'S JUST HAPPENED. 724 00:19:02,012 --> 00:19:04,512 THAT IS CHALLENGING. 725 00:19:04,581 --> 00:19:05,081 ONE OPO EVEN PUT TOGETHER A 726 00:19:05,148 --> 00:19:06,981 TRAINING VIDEO FOR ITS WORKERS, 727 00:19:07,050 --> 00:19:07,615 WHERE THEY STAGED CONVERSATIONS 728 00:19:07,684 --> 00:19:09,050 WITH ACTORS, TO SHOW WHAT ISSUES 729 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,218 MIGHT COME UP IN THE HEAT OF 730 00:19:10,287 --> 00:19:11,919 THAT DISCUSSION. 731 00:19:11,988 --> 00:19:12,388 AND IT IS AN ABSOLUTE 732 00:19:12,455 --> 00:19:17,558 ROLLER-COASTER RIDE. 733 00:19:17,627 --> 00:19:17,894 >> HI! 734 00:19:17,961 --> 00:19:18,228 GOOD MORNING. 735 00:19:18,295 --> 00:19:18,860 MY NAME IS -- 736 00:19:18,929 --> 00:19:19,794 >> YOU KNOW WHAT? 737 00:19:19,863 --> 00:19:20,962 I ALREADY KNOW WHO YOU ARE, AND 738 00:19:21,031 --> 00:19:22,096 I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT. 739 00:19:22,165 --> 00:19:23,030 AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU LIKE I 740 00:19:23,099 --> 00:19:24,499 TOLD THE FUCKING DOCTOR. 741 00:19:24,568 --> 00:19:25,633 YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING HIM! 742 00:19:25,702 --> 00:19:26,868 WE'RE NOT DONATING SHIT! 743 00:19:26,937 --> 00:19:27,602 >> IF YOU JUST GIVE ME AN -- 744 00:19:27,671 --> 00:19:28,004 >> YOU KNOW WHAT? 745 00:19:28,071 --> 00:19:28,404 WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. 746 00:19:28,471 --> 00:19:30,138 STOP! 747 00:19:30,207 --> 00:19:31,205 DO YOU SEE THIS HERE? 748 00:19:31,274 --> 00:19:31,806 ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS RIGHT 749 00:19:31,875 --> 00:19:34,275 NOW? 750 00:19:34,344 --> 00:19:34,909 I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR OVER 751 00:19:34,978 --> 00:19:35,478 A WEEK! 752 00:19:35,545 --> 00:19:36,077 OVER A WEEK I'VE BEEN SITTING 753 00:19:36,146 --> 00:19:36,944 HERE WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO COME 754 00:19:37,013 --> 00:19:38,179 TALK TO ME. 755 00:19:38,248 --> 00:19:39,280 OH, WHAT? 756 00:19:39,349 --> 00:19:39,914 BUT NOW THAT THEY WANT SOMETHING 757 00:19:39,983 --> 00:19:42,016 NOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME TALK 758 00:19:42,085 --> 00:19:43,651 TO ME NOW, RIGHT? 759 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:44,585 AND WHAT? 760 00:19:44,654 --> 00:19:45,887 THEY SENT, WHAT, THIS CHARACTER 761 00:19:45,956 --> 00:19:46,954 IN TO DO WHAT? 762 00:19:47,023 --> 00:19:48,923 CONVINCE ME! 763 00:19:48,992 --> 00:19:50,958 YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING MY HUSBAND. 764 00:19:51,027 --> 00:19:52,160 >> John: WOW. 765 00:19:52,229 --> 00:19:53,761 REST IN PEACE -- BOTH TO HER 766 00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:54,395 FICTITIOUS HUSBAND, BUT ALSO TO 767 00:19:54,464 --> 00:19:55,930 THAT SCENERY, WHICH JUST GOT 768 00:19:55,999 --> 00:19:58,566 CHEWED BY THAT ACTING 769 00:19:58,635 --> 00:19:59,867 POWERHOUSE. 770 00:19:59,936 --> 00:20:00,568 WE WATCH A LOT OF TRAINING 771 00:20:00,637 --> 00:20:01,602 VIDEOS FOR THIS SHOW, AND 772 00:20:01,671 --> 00:20:02,370 BELIEVE ME -- THAT WOMAN IS THE 773 00:20:02,439 --> 00:20:05,306 MERYL STREEP OF THE GENRE. 774 00:20:05,375 --> 00:20:06,407 JUST TO CATCH YOU UP ON THIS: 775 00:20:06,476 --> 00:20:07,508 THE MAN DECLARED BRAIN-DEAD IS 776 00:20:07,577 --> 00:20:08,376 NAMED JORGE, AND THEY'VE ONLY 777 00:20:08,445 --> 00:20:10,011 BEEN MARRIED FOR 2 MONTHS. 778 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,012 THE GUY SITTING NEXT TO HER IS 779 00:20:11,081 --> 00:20:12,146 JORGE'S BROTHER. 780 00:20:12,215 --> 00:20:13,247 HE DOESN'T WANT HER MAKING 781 00:20:13,316 --> 00:20:14,248 DECISIONS FOR JORGE. 782 00:20:14,317 --> 00:20:14,849 AND HE INITIALLY DOESN'T WANT 783 00:20:14,918 --> 00:20:16,651 JORGE'S ORGANS DONATED EITHER, 784 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,752 BUT THEN HE REMEMBERS THAT WHEN 785 00:20:17,821 --> 00:20:19,086 THEY WERE CHILDREN, THEIR MOM -- 786 00:20:19,155 --> 00:20:20,254 WHO WAS WORKING TWO JOBS AFTER 787 00:20:20,323 --> 00:20:21,556 THEIR DAD LEFT -- DETAILS WE 788 00:20:21,625 --> 00:20:23,958 DON'T NEED, BUT GET ANYWAY! 789 00:20:24,027 --> 00:20:25,426 WOULD GIVE THEM EACH THEIR OWN 790 00:20:25,495 --> 00:20:27,028 ALLOWANCE BUT JORGE WOULD GIVE 791 00:20:27,097 --> 00:20:27,762 HIS TO HIS BROTHER. 792 00:20:27,831 --> 00:20:28,264 WHY? 793 00:20:28,331 --> 00:20:29,897 BECAUSE HE'S JUST THAT GIVING. 794 00:20:29,966 --> 00:20:31,132 AND EVENTUALLY THEY BOTH REALIZE 795 00:20:31,201 --> 00:20:32,500 JORGE WOULD WANT HIS ORGANS TO 796 00:20:32,569 --> 00:20:33,468 BE DONATED. 797 00:20:33,537 --> 00:20:34,335 ALL I'M SAYING IS, THERE'S A 798 00:20:34,404 --> 00:20:36,104 RICH BACKSTORY HERE. 799 00:20:36,173 --> 00:20:37,538 NOW, IS IT THE MOST GRIPPING 800 00:20:37,607 --> 00:20:39,073 MEDICAL DRAMA I'VE EVER SEEN? 801 00:20:39,142 --> 00:20:40,208 NO, AS I'VE SAID, THAT WOULD BE 802 00:20:40,277 --> 00:20:41,342 THIS ONE, BUT IT IS STILL 803 00:20:41,411 --> 00:20:44,278 UNEXPECTEDLY GOOD. 804 00:20:44,347 --> 00:20:44,879 NOW, A LOT OF OPOs TRY AND GET 805 00:20:44,948 --> 00:20:46,214 AHEAD OF CONVERSATIONS LIKE THAT 806 00:20:46,283 --> 00:20:47,415 BY ENCOURAGING MORE PEOPLE IN 807 00:20:47,484 --> 00:20:49,050 THEIR AREA TO SIGN UP AS ORGAN 808 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,252 DONORS -- SOMETIMES THROUGH 809 00:20:51,321 --> 00:20:52,153 ADVERTISING, AND SOMETIMES EVEN 810 00:20:52,222 --> 00:20:54,856 USING MASCOTS. 811 00:20:54,925 --> 00:20:55,391 GIFT OF LIFE MICHIGAN HAS 812 00:20:55,458 --> 00:20:56,057 HARTLEY T. HART. 813 00:20:56,126 --> 00:20:56,691 DONATE LIFE WISCONSIN HAS DOTTIE 814 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,228 THE DONOR DOT. 815 00:21:00,297 --> 00:21:00,828 DONATE LIFE ARIZONA HAS REGGIE 816 00:21:00,897 --> 00:21:05,433 THE DONOR CACTUS, WHO -- FROM 817 00:21:05,502 --> 00:21:06,067 THAT PHOTO -- SEEMS TO BE HIGH 818 00:21:06,136 --> 00:21:07,401 ON GLUE. 819 00:21:07,470 --> 00:21:07,937 AND LIFESHARE OKLAHOMA HAS 820 00:21:08,004 --> 00:21:08,569 DERRICK THE DONOR, WHO IS AN OIL 821 00:21:08,638 --> 00:21:11,239 RIG, BECAUSE, ACCORDING TO THE 822 00:21:11,308 --> 00:21:12,206 ORGANIZATION, "OIL IS A PRECIOUS 823 00:21:12,275 --> 00:21:12,840 RESOURCE JUST LIKE ORGANS ARE A 824 00:21:12,909 --> 00:21:13,775 PRECIOUS RESOURCE." 825 00:21:13,844 --> 00:21:17,278 EXCEPT NO, THEY ARE NOT "JUST 826 00:21:17,347 --> 00:21:19,313 LIKE" EACH OTHER, OKLAHOMA. 827 00:21:19,382 --> 00:21:19,947 ONE OF THOSE SHOULD NOT GO INTO 828 00:21:20,016 --> 00:21:22,717 YOUR BODY. 829 00:21:22,786 --> 00:21:23,286 BESIDES, THIS IS JUST A BAD 830 00:21:23,353 --> 00:21:27,255 MASCOT. 831 00:21:27,324 --> 00:21:27,855 NO ONE'S GOING TO LOOK AT THIS 832 00:21:27,924 --> 00:21:28,456 AND THINK "I SHOULD SIGN UP TO 833 00:21:28,525 --> 00:21:32,426 DONATE MY ORGANS." 834 00:21:32,495 --> 00:21:32,996 THEY'LL THINK "OH, NO, THAT 835 00:21:33,063 --> 00:21:33,530 TELETUBBY IS SUFFOCATING!" 836 00:21:33,597 --> 00:21:34,996 AND BECAUSE EACH OPO IS 837 00:21:35,065 --> 00:21:35,630 RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTROLLING THE 838 00:21:35,699 --> 00:21:38,566 ORGANS IN ITS AREA, HOW WELL IT 839 00:21:38,635 --> 00:21:39,035 PERFORMS HAS ENORMOUS 840 00:21:39,102 --> 00:21:39,634 CONSEQUENCES. 841 00:21:39,703 --> 00:21:46,374 AND YET, UNTIL RECENTLY, THAT 842 00:21:46,443 --> 00:21:47,008 PERFORMANCE HAS BEEN DETERMINED 843 00:21:47,077 --> 00:21:51,345 BY THE OPOs THEMSELVES, SINCE 844 00:21:51,414 --> 00:21:51,881 THEY'VE BEEN EVALUATED ON 845 00:21:51,948 --> 00:21:54,715 SELF-REPORTED DATA, WHICH IS A 846 00:21:54,784 --> 00:21:55,051 REAL PROBLEM. 847 00:21:55,118 --> 00:21:55,552 BECAUSE OPOs CAN FAIL TO 848 00:21:55,619 --> 00:21:56,751 RETRIEVE ORGANS FOR MANY REASONS 849 00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:57,385 -- FROM EXHAUSTION OF OVERWORKED 850 00:21:57,454 --> 00:21:59,587 STAFFERS, TO LACK OF RESOURCES. 851 00:21:59,656 --> 00:22:00,188 AND EMPLOYEES HAVE ADMITTED TO 852 00:22:00,257 --> 00:22:01,055 GAMING THE SYSTEM TO COVER UP 853 00:22:01,124 --> 00:22:04,392 THOSE FAILURES. 854 00:22:04,461 --> 00:22:04,992 JUST LISTEN TO THIS FORMER OPO 855 00:22:05,061 --> 00:22:07,528 EXEC. 856 00:22:07,597 --> 00:22:08,097 >> I USED TO WORK AT AN OPO. 857 00:22:08,164 --> 00:22:11,299 AND WE REPORTED FALSE NUMBERS TO 858 00:22:11,368 --> 00:22:11,868 MAKE IT APPEAR WE WERE DOING 859 00:22:11,935 --> 00:22:15,736 BETTER THAN WE WERE. 860 00:22:15,805 --> 00:22:17,405 IMAGINE THERE ARE 10 PEOPLE WHO 861 00:22:17,474 --> 00:22:18,005 DIE AND THEY ALL HAVE HEALTHY 862 00:22:18,074 --> 00:22:18,606 ORGANS THAT CAN SAVE SOMEONE'S 863 00:22:18,675 --> 00:22:23,077 LIFE. 864 00:22:23,146 --> 00:22:23,678 WE MIGHT LATER FALSELY REPORT 865 00:22:23,747 --> 00:22:27,348 THAT ONLY FOUR OR FIVE OF THOSE 866 00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:28,015 PEOPLE HAD HEALTHY ENOUGH ORGANS 867 00:22:28,084 --> 00:22:28,616 FOR DONATION AND MAKE IT LOOK 868 00:22:28,685 --> 00:22:29,250 LIKE WE WERE MORE SUCCESSFUL IN 869 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:30,384 OUR RECOVERY EFFORT THAN WE 870 00:22:30,453 --> 00:22:31,986 WERE. 871 00:22:32,055 --> 00:22:32,620 IN FACT, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN VISIT 872 00:22:32,689 --> 00:22:35,990 ALL 10 PEOPLE. 873 00:22:36,059 --> 00:22:37,125 >> John: THAT IS NOT GOOD. 874 00:22:37,194 --> 00:22:37,758 AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN NEVER 875 00:22:37,827 --> 00:22:40,061 LIE ABOUT DEATH. 876 00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:42,730 BUT IT'S GOT TO BE A GOOD LIE, 877 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:43,364 LIKE WHEN ROBERT PATTINSON WENT 878 00:22:43,433 --> 00:22:46,400 ON TO "THE TODAY SHOW" AND SAID, 879 00:22:46,469 --> 00:22:47,335 THE FIRST TIME I WENT TO SEE THE 880 00:22:47,404 --> 00:22:48,336 CIRCUS, SOMEBODY DIED. 881 00:22:48,405 --> 00:22:48,838 ONE OF THE CLOWNS DIED. 882 00:22:48,905 --> 00:22:50,104 HIS LITTLE CAR EXPLODED. 883 00:22:50,173 --> 00:22:51,939 THE JOKE CAR EXPLODED ON HIM. 884 00:22:52,008 --> 00:22:53,174 AND THEN LATER ADMITTED "I 885 00:22:53,243 --> 00:22:53,775 ACTUALLY MADE THE WHOLE THING 886 00:22:53,844 --> 00:22:56,077 UP." 887 00:22:56,146 --> 00:22:56,646 THE WORLD IS A BETTER PLACE 888 00:22:56,713 --> 00:23:03,713 BECAUSE OF THAT FAKE CLOWN'S 889 00:23:16,433 --> 00:23:16,998 BUT THE PROBLEM IS, DESPITE THE 890 00:23:17,067 --> 00:23:19,100 STAKES BEING THIS HIGH, OPO'S 891 00:23:19,169 --> 00:23:19,734 HAVE VERY LITTLE INCENTIVE TO DO 892 00:23:19,803 --> 00:23:23,271 BETTER. 893 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:23,773 THE GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER 894 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,340 DECERTIFIED AN OPO FOR POOR 895 00:23:24,407 --> 00:23:26,307 PERFORMANCE. 896 00:23:26,376 --> 00:23:26,908 AND POOR PERFORMANCE CAN HAVE 897 00:23:26,977 --> 00:23:28,743 SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE 898 00:23:28,812 --> 00:23:30,645 LIKE L.A. POET TONYA INGRAM, WHO 899 00:23:30,714 --> 00:23:31,813 DESPERATELY NEEDED A KIDNEY. 900 00:23:31,882 --> 00:23:32,980 SHE ACTUALLY APPEARED BEFORE 901 00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:34,849 CONGRESS TWO YEARS AGO TO 902 00:23:34,918 --> 00:23:36,717 EXPLAIN HOW HER REGION'S OPO, 903 00:23:36,786 --> 00:23:39,620 ONELEGACY, HAD FAILED HER. 904 00:23:39,689 --> 00:23:40,421 >> THE ORGAN PROCUREMENT 905 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:41,622 ORGANIZATION THAT SERVES 906 00:23:41,691 --> 00:23:43,224 LOS ANGELES, WHERE I LIVE, IS 907 00:23:43,293 --> 00:23:43,858 FAILING ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL 908 00:23:43,927 --> 00:23:47,328 GOVERNMENT. 909 00:23:47,397 --> 00:23:47,929 IN FACT, IT'S ONE OF THE WORST 910 00:23:47,998 --> 00:23:51,766 IN THE COUNTRY. 911 00:23:51,835 --> 00:23:52,335 ONE ANALYSIS SHOWED IT ONLY 912 00:23:52,402 --> 00:23:53,401 RECOVERED 31% OF POTENTIAL ORGAN 913 00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:56,437 DONORS. 914 00:23:56,506 --> 00:23:57,038 SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE IN THIS 915 00:23:57,107 --> 00:23:58,005 DIAGNOSIS, IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE 916 00:23:58,074 --> 00:24:00,475 THIS IS IT, AND I WILL JUST BE 917 00:24:00,544 --> 00:24:02,877 WAITING FOREVER UNTIL I'M NO 918 00:24:02,946 --> 00:24:04,946 LONGER HERE. 919 00:24:05,015 --> 00:24:05,913 >> John: THAT IS AWFUL. 920 00:24:05,982 --> 00:24:07,248 AND TO MAKE IT WORSE THE 921 00:24:07,317 --> 00:24:08,950 THEN-CEO OF ONELEGACY, 922 00:24:09,019 --> 00:24:10,952 TOM MONE, WROTE HER AN EMAIL, 923 00:24:11,021 --> 00:24:12,086 DEFENDING THE JOB HE'D DONE, AND 924 00:24:12,155 --> 00:24:12,954 SUGGESTING THAT THE "NUMBER ONE 925 00:24:13,023 --> 00:24:14,455 THING" SHE COULD DO TO "IMPROVE 926 00:24:14,524 --> 00:24:15,356 YOUR CHANCES AND YOUR 927 00:24:15,425 --> 00:24:17,158 COMMUNITY'S CHANCES OF A 928 00:24:17,227 --> 00:24:18,759 LIFE-SAVING TRANSPLANT IS TO 929 00:24:18,828 --> 00:24:21,262 REGISTER AS A DONOR AND HELP 930 00:24:21,331 --> 00:24:24,999 PEOPLE IN YOUR ETHNIC GROUP, IN 931 00:24:25,068 --> 00:24:25,633 PARTICULAR, TO CHOOSE TO DONATE 932 00:24:25,702 --> 00:24:26,367 LIFE." 933 00:24:26,436 --> 00:24:27,835 AND IF YOU'RE EVER TYPING THE 934 00:24:27,904 --> 00:24:29,737 PHRASE "YOUR ETHNIC GROUP" INTO 935 00:24:29,806 --> 00:24:30,705 AN EMAIL, CLIPPY SHOULD JUST 936 00:24:30,774 --> 00:24:31,305 APPEAR AND SAY "NO, STOP WHAT 937 00:24:31,374 --> 00:24:33,574 YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW." 938 00:24:33,643 --> 00:24:34,144 AND I HAVE TO SAY, ONELEGACY 939 00:24:34,211 --> 00:24:41,211 SAYS THEY ARE DEEPLY REGRETFUL 940 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:43,284 FOR THE EMAIL, WHICH THEY WANT 941 00:24:43,353 --> 00:24:43,820 YOU TO KNOW WAS A PERSONAL 942 00:24:43,887 --> 00:24:45,086 COMMUNICATION FROM TOM MONE. 943 00:24:45,155 --> 00:24:45,720 VERY MUCH THROWING HIM UNDER THE 944 00:24:45,789 --> 00:24:47,688 BUS LIKE A KIDNEY IN A BOX. 945 00:24:47,757 --> 00:24:48,322 BUT AT THIS POINT, IT SHOULD BE 946 00:24:48,391 --> 00:24:49,991 CLEAR: OUR SYSTEM OF MANAGING 947 00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:50,591 DONATED ORGANS IS NOWHERE NEAR 948 00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:52,994 WHERE IT SHOULD BE. 949 00:24:53,063 --> 00:24:53,628 BUT DEPRESSINGLY, IT'S ACTUALLY 950 00:24:53,697 --> 00:24:55,830 A PARAGON OF CARE AND 951 00:24:55,899 --> 00:24:57,298 THOUGHTFULNESS COMPARED TO WHAT 952 00:24:57,367 --> 00:24:57,867 HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE DONATES 953 00:24:57,934 --> 00:25:00,034 THEIR BODY TO SCIENCE. 954 00:25:00,103 --> 00:25:00,603 WHICH BRING US TO WHOLE BODY 955 00:25:00,670 --> 00:25:02,970 DONATION. 956 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:03,540 THAT'S A CHOICE THOUSANDS OF 957 00:25:03,607 --> 00:25:04,172 AMERICANS MAKE EVERY YEAR, 958 00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:05,606 EITHER FOR THEMSELVES, OR WHEN A 959 00:25:05,675 --> 00:25:07,241 LOVED ONE'S ORGANS AREN'T 960 00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:08,776 SUITABLE FOR DONATION. 961 00:25:08,845 --> 00:25:10,478 AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO 962 00:25:10,547 --> 00:25:12,313 BOTH SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH AND 963 00:25:12,382 --> 00:25:13,948 MEDICAL TRAINING, AS THIS 964 00:25:14,017 --> 00:25:16,150 MED-SCHOOL VIDEO WILL ATTEST. 965 00:25:16,219 --> 00:25:17,485 >> THE BEAUTY AND COMPLEXITY OF 966 00:25:17,554 --> 00:25:19,787 THE HUMAN BODY CAN REALLY ONLY 967 00:25:19,856 --> 00:25:22,256 BE TAUGHT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF 968 00:25:22,325 --> 00:25:23,691 STUDYING AN ANATOMICAL DONOR. 969 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,461 DONATIONS PROVIDE A TACTILE 970 00:25:26,530 --> 00:25:27,030 SENSE OF LEARNING AND REALLY 971 00:25:27,097 --> 00:25:29,530 HIGHLIGHT THE VARIATION AMONGST 972 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,365 HUMAN BEINGS IN A WAY THAT 973 00:25:31,434 --> 00:25:34,902 VIRTUAL REALITY JUST CAN'T YET. 974 00:25:34,971 --> 00:25:35,770 >> I THINK THIS PROGRAM ALLOWS 975 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:36,537 PEOPLE TO PRACTICE AND TO LEARN 976 00:25:36,606 --> 00:25:40,475 IN A WAY THAT WILL REALLY HELP 977 00:25:40,544 --> 00:25:43,578 THEIR FUTURE PATIENTS. 978 00:25:43,647 --> 00:25:44,212 >> John: EXACTLY, DONATIONS TO 979 00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:44,846 SCIENCE CAN HELP DOCTORS BETTER 980 00:25:44,915 --> 00:25:45,913 UNDERSTAND THE HUMAN BODY. 981 00:25:45,982 --> 00:25:47,215 FOR EXAMPLE, IF I DONATED MY 982 00:25:47,284 --> 00:25:51,352 BODY, MAYBE THEY COULD FIGURE 983 00:25:51,421 --> 00:25:53,688 OUT HOW A MAN CAN AGE 47 YEARS 984 00:25:53,757 --> 00:25:54,455 IN A SINGLE DECADE. 985 00:25:54,524 --> 00:25:57,125 IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT SHOULD 986 00:25:57,194 --> 00:25:58,893 BE BIOLOGICALLY POSSIBLE. 987 00:25:58,962 --> 00:26:01,162 I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE FINE. 988 00:26:01,231 --> 00:26:02,063 I'M GOING TO LIVE FOREVER. 989 00:26:02,132 --> 00:26:03,030 AND IN THEORY, THAT'S GREAT. 990 00:26:03,099 --> 00:26:04,232 UNFORTUNATELY, IN PRACTICE, YOU 991 00:26:04,301 --> 00:26:04,801 MIGHT NOT END UP IN FRONT OF 992 00:26:04,868 --> 00:26:07,235 MEDICAL STUDENTS. 993 00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:09,937 INSTEAD YOU COULD END UP HERE. 994 00:26:10,006 --> 00:26:12,240 >> ON A BRIGHT SUNDAY MORNING IN 995 00:26:12,309 --> 00:26:12,840 PORTLAND EARLIER THIS MONTH. 996 00:26:12,909 --> 00:26:14,075 >> THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT DONATED 997 00:26:14,144 --> 00:26:19,981 THEIR BODY TO SCIENCE. 998 00:26:20,050 --> 00:26:23,317 >> A FEW DOZEN PEOPLE SPENT THE 999 00:26:23,386 --> 00:26:24,218 DAY INSIDE AT THIS DOWNTOWN 1000 00:26:24,287 --> 00:26:24,420 HOTEL. 1001 00:26:24,487 --> 00:26:25,720 THEY PAID UP TO $500 A SEAT IN 1002 00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:27,121 THE BALLROOM TO SIT UP CLOSE TO 1003 00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:27,755 THE MYSTERIOUS FIGURE DRAPED IN 1004 00:26:27,824 --> 00:26:29,557 A WHITE SHEET. 1005 00:26:29,626 --> 00:26:30,158 >> I HEARD ABOUT IT THROUGH A 1006 00:26:30,227 --> 00:26:30,758 FRIEND, DECIDED TO BROADEN MY 1007 00:26:30,827 --> 00:26:31,893 EXPERIENCES. 1008 00:26:31,962 --> 00:26:32,760 >> THE SHEET COMES OFF, EXPOSING 1009 00:26:32,829 --> 00:26:33,494 THE CORPSE OF AN 86-YEAR-OLD 1010 00:26:33,563 --> 00:26:36,531 MAN. 1011 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,732 THIS IN-PERSON, PAY-PER-VIEW 1012 00:26:37,801 --> 00:26:38,432 EVENT PUTS REGULAR PEOPLE, 1013 00:26:38,501 --> 00:26:40,802 PAYING CUSTOMERS, WITHIN AN 1014 00:26:40,871 --> 00:26:41,337 ARM'S LENGTH OF SOMETHING 1015 00:26:41,404 --> 00:26:41,969 USUALLY RESERVED FOR DOCTORS AND 1016 00:26:42,038 --> 00:26:48,176 SCIENTISTS. 1017 00:26:48,245 --> 00:26:48,711 >> John: OKAY, CLEARLY, A 1018 00:26:48,778 --> 00:26:49,245 MARRIOTT HOTEL AUTOPSY IS 1019 00:26:49,312 --> 00:26:51,345 STRETCHING THE DEFINITION OF 1020 00:26:51,414 --> 00:26:51,848 "SCIENCE." 1021 00:26:51,915 --> 00:26:52,647 AND NOT TO GET SIDETRACKED, BUT 1022 00:26:52,716 --> 00:26:53,815 DID THAT GUY SAY HE HEARD ABOUT 1023 00:26:53,884 --> 00:26:56,684 IT THROUGH A FRIEND? 1024 00:26:56,753 --> 00:26:57,253 BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY 1025 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,920 THAT CONVERSATION SHOULD GO: 1026 00:26:58,989 --> 00:27:00,955 YOUR FRIEND SAYS, "HEY, WANNA GO 1027 00:27:01,024 --> 00:27:02,156 TO A LIVE AUTOPSY?" 1028 00:27:02,225 --> 00:27:04,225 TO WHICH YOU REPLY, "I'M 1029 00:27:04,294 --> 00:27:04,461 SORRY... 1030 00:27:04,528 --> 00:27:05,059 WHAT?" 1031 00:27:05,128 --> 00:27:05,693 TO WHICH HE SAYS, "YEAH, THEY'RE 1032 00:27:05,762 --> 00:27:06,360 DISSECTING A BODY!" 1033 00:27:06,429 --> 00:27:06,994 TO WHICH YOU SAY, "WHAT KIND OF 1034 00:27:07,063 --> 00:27:07,762 ANIMAL?" 1035 00:27:07,831 --> 00:27:09,230 TO WHICH HE SAYS, "NO, IT'S A 1036 00:27:09,299 --> 00:27:10,498 HUMAN MAN!" 1037 00:27:10,567 --> 00:27:11,265 TO WHICH YOU RESPOND, "WHY WOULD 1038 00:27:11,334 --> 00:27:13,401 ANYONE GO ALL THE WAY TO A 1039 00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:13,970 MEDICAL SCHOOL TO WATCH -- " 1040 00:27:14,037 --> 00:27:14,836 TO WHICH HE INTERRUPTS WITH, "OH 1041 00:27:14,905 --> 00:27:17,238 NO! 1042 00:27:17,307 --> 00:27:17,839 IT'S NOT AT A MEDICAL SCHOOL, 1043 00:27:17,908 --> 00:27:18,374 IT'S IN THE BALLROOM OF A 1044 00:27:18,441 --> 00:27:18,973 MARRIOTT IN DOWNTOWN PORTLAND. 1045 00:27:19,042 --> 00:27:19,607 BUT WE HAVE TO BE OUT BY THREE, 1046 00:27:19,676 --> 00:27:22,410 THERE'S A QUINCEANERA." 1047 00:27:22,479 --> 00:27:23,778 TO WHICH YOU REPLY, "WAIT, WHAT 1048 00:27:23,847 --> 00:27:23,980 NOW?" 1049 00:27:24,047 --> 00:27:25,713 TO WHICH HE SAYS, "YEAH, AND 1050 00:27:25,782 --> 00:27:26,249 IT'S ONLY $500 TO GET IN." 1051 00:27:26,316 --> 00:27:26,816 TO WHICH YOUR ONLY RESPONSE 1052 00:27:26,883 --> 00:27:27,448 SHOULD BE, "I'LL PAY $500 RIGHT 1053 00:27:27,517 --> 00:27:31,119 NOW, FOR YOU TO NEVER SPEAK TO 1054 00:27:31,188 --> 00:27:31,387 ME AGAIN. 1055 00:27:31,454 --> 00:27:31,921 THIS FRIENDSHIP IS OVER." 1056 00:27:31,988 --> 00:27:38,226 AND I WILL SAY: THE EXPLANATION 1057 00:27:38,295 --> 00:27:38,826 OFFERED BY THE MAN WHO HOSTED 1058 00:27:38,895 --> 00:27:41,596 THAT EVENT WASN'T GREAT. 1059 00:27:41,665 --> 00:27:42,363 >> THE BODY BUYER, 1060 00:27:42,432 --> 00:27:45,833 DeathScience.org, IS RUN BY 1061 00:27:45,902 --> 00:27:46,402 JEREMY CILIBERTO, WHO HAS NO 1062 00:27:46,469 --> 00:27:47,401 PROFESSIONAL CREDENTIALS. 1063 00:27:47,470 --> 00:27:48,336 IT WAS CILIBERTO WHO BROUGHT THE 1064 00:27:48,405 --> 00:27:49,771 PORTLAND BODY SHOW TO LIFE AND 1065 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,173 HAD PLANNED ONE FOR SEATTLE AS 1066 00:27:52,242 --> 00:27:56,210 WELL ON HALLOWEEN DAY. 1067 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:56,746 CAN YOU GUARANTEE THEY HAD 1068 00:27:56,813 --> 00:27:57,378 KNOWLEDGE THAT HE KNEW THAT HIS 1069 00:27:57,447 --> 00:27:59,647 BODY WOULD BE USED IN THIS WAY? 1070 00:27:59,716 --> 00:28:01,215 >> I CAN GUARANTEE THAT HE KNEW 1071 00:28:01,284 --> 00:28:03,918 HIS BODY WOULD BE USED FOR 1072 00:28:03,987 --> 00:28:06,854 MEDICAL EDUCATION. 1073 00:28:06,923 --> 00:28:08,823 >> John: OH, BULLSHIT. 1074 00:28:08,892 --> 00:28:09,557 AND I'VE GOTTA SAY, I'M NOT 1075 00:28:09,626 --> 00:28:11,626 SURPRISED THAT THAT LONG-LOST 1076 00:28:11,695 --> 00:28:13,661 MEMBER OF "MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE" 1077 00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:15,062 DOESN'T HAVE ANY MEDICAL 1078 00:28:15,131 --> 00:28:17,999 CREDENTIALS. 1079 00:28:18,068 --> 00:28:18,599 BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T EXPLAIN 1080 00:28:18,668 --> 00:28:19,135 WHY HE'S SOMEHOW PROVIDING 1081 00:28:19,202 --> 00:28:20,768 "MEDICAL EDUCATION." 1082 00:28:20,837 --> 00:28:22,236 AND YET, THAT'S TOTALLY LEGAL. 1083 00:28:22,305 --> 00:28:22,772 BECAUSE BODIES DONATED TO 1084 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:27,175 SCIENCE ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD IN A 1085 00:28:27,244 --> 00:28:27,775 VIRTUALLY UNREGULATED MARKET. 1086 00:28:27,844 --> 00:28:28,409 THERE IS NO FEDERAL LAW, AND NO 1087 00:28:28,478 --> 00:28:29,644 GOVERNMENT AGENCY MONITORS WHAT 1088 00:28:29,713 --> 00:28:30,978 HAPPENS TO CADAVERS PLEDGED FOR 1089 00:28:31,047 --> 00:28:31,548 USE IN MEDICAL RESEARCH AND 1090 00:28:31,615 --> 00:28:36,284 EDUCATION. 1091 00:28:36,353 --> 00:28:36,686 THERE ARE ALSO NO 1092 00:28:36,753 --> 00:28:37,919 GOVERNMENT-MANDATED NONPROFITS 1093 00:28:37,988 --> 00:28:38,586 HERE, INSTEAD THERE ARE 1094 00:28:38,655 --> 00:28:40,688 FOR-PROFIT COMPANIES KNOWN AS 1095 00:28:40,757 --> 00:28:41,889 BODY BROKERS -- OR, AS THEY 1096 00:28:41,958 --> 00:28:43,491 PREFER TO BE CALLED, 1097 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,826 "NON-TRANSPLANT TISSUE BANKS" -- 1098 00:28:44,895 --> 00:28:46,594 WHO VERY LITERALLY SELL BODIES 1099 00:28:46,663 --> 00:28:47,695 OFF FOR PARTS. 1100 00:28:47,764 --> 00:28:48,963 ONE OF THE FEW RULES THAT EVEN 1101 00:28:49,032 --> 00:28:50,898 APPLIES TO THEM IS A STATUTE 1102 00:28:50,967 --> 00:28:52,967 ADOPTED IN 47 STATES CALLED THE 1103 00:28:53,036 --> 00:28:54,936 UNIFORM ANATOMICAL GIFT ACT THAT 1104 00:28:55,005 --> 00:28:55,770 REQUIRES DONORS MUST PROVIDE 1105 00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,107 INFORMED CONSENT, WITH THOSE 1106 00:28:59,176 --> 00:28:59,740 AGREEMENTS TYPICALLY STIPULATING 1107 00:28:59,809 --> 00:29:01,476 THAT THE BODY WILL BE USED FOR 1108 00:29:01,545 --> 00:29:02,810 RESEARCH AND EDUCATION. 1109 00:29:02,879 --> 00:29:03,346 BUT "MEDICAL RESEARCH AND 1110 00:29:03,413 --> 00:29:03,880 EDUCATION" IS NOT CLEARLY 1111 00:29:03,947 --> 00:29:06,948 DEFINED. 1112 00:29:07,017 --> 00:29:09,350 AND, AS YOU JUST SAW, THAT CAN 1113 00:29:09,419 --> 00:29:09,984 TECHNICALLY MEAN THAT YOUR BODY 1114 00:29:10,053 --> 00:29:12,286 MIGHT BE CARVED UP IN A MARRIOTT 1115 00:29:12,355 --> 00:29:12,920 FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT OF A GROWN 1116 00:29:12,989 --> 00:29:14,889 MAN IN A FEDORA. 1117 00:29:14,958 --> 00:29:18,526 AND EVEN ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO 1118 00:29:18,595 --> 00:29:19,028 SUPPLY BODIES TO MEDICAL 1119 00:29:19,095 --> 00:29:19,994 SCHOOLS, LIKE ILLINOIS' 1120 00:29:20,063 --> 00:29:22,763 ANATOMICAL GIFT ASSOCIATION, CAN 1121 00:29:22,832 --> 00:29:24,332 CONDUCT THEMSELVES POORLY. 1122 00:29:24,401 --> 00:29:24,932 IT WAS ACCUSED BY ONE EMPLOYEE 1123 00:29:25,001 --> 00:29:26,367 OF MISHANDLING AND MISTREATING 1124 00:29:26,436 --> 00:29:27,235 BODIES -- LEAVING SOME ROTTING 1125 00:29:27,304 --> 00:29:28,202 OR BEING EATEN BY RATS. 1126 00:29:28,271 --> 00:29:31,572 WHICH IS HORRIFIC. 1127 00:29:31,641 --> 00:29:32,108 RATS SHOULDN'T BE HUNGRILY 1128 00:29:32,175 --> 00:29:34,442 DEVOURING HUMAN BODIES; THEY 1129 00:29:34,511 --> 00:29:35,143 SHOULD BE HUNGRILY DEVOURING 1130 00:29:35,212 --> 00:29:38,679 EACH OTHERS BODIES -- I THINK 1131 00:29:38,748 --> 00:29:41,349 WE'VE MADE THAT PRETTY CLEAR. 1132 00:29:41,418 --> 00:29:44,185 AND WHILE THE AGA SAID THAT IT 1133 00:29:44,254 --> 00:29:44,754 STRONGLY DISAGREED WITH THE 1134 00:29:44,821 --> 00:29:45,820 EMPLOYEE'S ALLEGATIONS OF 1135 00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:47,388 MISTREATMENT, THAT EMPLOYEE ALSO 1136 00:29:47,457 --> 00:29:49,090 SAYS THAT HE WAS PUNISHED FOR 1137 00:29:49,159 --> 00:29:50,324 SPEAKING OUT, AND IN THE 1138 00:29:50,393 --> 00:29:51,793 GROSSEST POSSIBLE WAY. 1139 00:29:51,862 --> 00:29:55,830 >> MR. WHEATLEY SAYS THAT WHEN 1140 00:29:55,899 --> 00:29:58,232 HE APPROACHED HIS SUPERVISORS 1141 00:29:58,301 --> 00:29:59,133 WITH HIS CONCERNS ABOUT 1142 00:29:59,202 --> 00:30:00,168 PROCEDURES, THREE DISMEMBERED 1143 00:30:00,237 --> 00:30:03,304 HEADS FROM DONATED BODIES WERE 1144 00:30:03,373 --> 00:30:04,138 LEFT AT HIS DESK. 1145 00:30:04,207 --> 00:30:05,006 >> MY BOSS WALKED BY. 1146 00:30:05,075 --> 00:30:07,008 I ASKED HIM WHY THE HEADS WERE 1147 00:30:07,077 --> 00:30:09,544 AT MY DESK, AND HE TOLD ME THEY 1148 00:30:09,613 --> 00:30:10,745 NEEDED TO GET BACK WITH THEIR 1149 00:30:10,814 --> 00:30:11,612 BODIES SO WE CAN SEND THEM TO 1150 00:30:11,681 --> 00:30:12,380 CREMATION. 1151 00:30:12,449 --> 00:30:14,315 AND I SAID, "I UNDERSTAND THAT. 1152 00:30:14,384 --> 00:30:16,217 WHY ARE THEY AT MY DESK?" 1153 00:30:16,286 --> 00:30:17,618 AND HE TOLD ME, "WELL, I DON'T 1154 00:30:17,687 --> 00:30:18,686 KNOW, DALE. 1155 00:30:18,755 --> 00:30:20,221 THERE'S A LOT OF STRANGE THINGS 1156 00:30:20,290 --> 00:30:22,089 HAPPENING." 1157 00:30:22,158 --> 00:30:24,625 >> John: HOLY SHIT. 1158 00:30:24,694 --> 00:30:25,493 "I DON'T KNOW, DALE. 1159 00:30:25,562 --> 00:30:26,127 THERE'S A LOT OF STRANGE THINGS 1160 00:30:26,196 --> 00:30:28,496 HAPPENING?" 1161 00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:29,197 IF YOU'RE BOLD ENOUGH TO LEAVE 1162 00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:31,299 SEVERED HEADS AT SOMEONE'S DESK, 1163 00:30:31,368 --> 00:30:34,802 WHY BE PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE? 1164 00:30:34,871 --> 00:30:35,305 EITHER YOU'RE A DIRECT 1165 00:30:35,372 --> 00:30:35,872 COMMUNICATOR OR YOU'RE NOT! 1166 00:30:35,939 --> 00:30:38,840 PICK A FUCKING LANE. 1167 00:30:38,909 --> 00:30:39,707 AND BODY BROKERS WILL SOMETIMES 1168 00:30:39,776 --> 00:30:40,808 MAKE ATTRACTIVE PITCHES TO 1169 00:30:40,877 --> 00:30:42,677 OBTAIN BODIES. 1170 00:30:42,746 --> 00:30:43,644 STRUGGLING FAMILIES MIGHT BE 1171 00:30:43,713 --> 00:30:45,546 TOLD THEY'LL RECEIVE A CREMATED 1172 00:30:45,615 --> 00:30:47,014 PORTION OF THEIR LOVED ONE, FREE 1173 00:30:47,083 --> 00:30:48,816 OF CHARGE. 1174 00:30:48,885 --> 00:30:49,917 OTHER TIMES, FAMILIES MIGHT BE 1175 00:30:49,986 --> 00:30:51,052 TOLD THEIR LOVED ONE'S BODY WILL 1176 00:30:51,121 --> 00:30:52,420 BE USED TO RESEARCH THE EXACT 1177 00:30:52,489 --> 00:30:54,122 CONDITION THEY DIED FROM. 1178 00:30:54,191 --> 00:30:55,656 WHICH IS A LOVELY IDEA, BUT IT'S 1179 00:30:55,725 --> 00:30:57,925 JUST NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. 1180 00:30:57,994 --> 00:30:59,127 TAKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH 1181 00:30:59,196 --> 00:31:01,028 CODY SAUNDERS, WHO DIED AT AGE 1182 00:31:01,097 --> 00:31:03,231 24 FROM A RARE DISEASE, AND I'LL 1183 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:03,800 LET HIS MOTHER EXPLAIN WHAT 1184 00:31:03,867 --> 00:31:06,100 HAPPENED NEXT. 1185 00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:07,168 >> WE COULDN'T AFFORD A BURIAL 1186 00:31:07,237 --> 00:31:07,835 FOR CODY. 1187 00:31:07,904 --> 00:31:09,203 >> CODY'S MOM, ANGIE, SAYS 1188 00:31:09,272 --> 00:31:11,806 SOMEONE TOLD HER ABOUT A COMPANY 1189 00:31:11,875 --> 00:31:13,908 THAT COULD HELP. 1190 00:31:13,977 --> 00:31:14,477 RESTORE LIFE USA OFFERED TO 1191 00:31:14,544 --> 00:31:19,013 HANDLE ALL OF THE EXPENSES IN 1192 00:31:19,082 --> 00:31:19,549 EXCHANGE FOR USING SOME OF 1193 00:31:19,616 --> 00:31:21,549 CODY'S BODY FOR MEDICAL 1194 00:31:21,618 --> 00:31:22,216 RESEARCH. 1195 00:31:22,285 --> 00:31:22,950 >> ALL I REMEMBER IS THEY WERE 1196 00:31:23,019 --> 00:31:23,551 SUPPOSED TO TAKE SKIN CELLS SO 1197 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:30,258 THEY COULD FIGURE OUT -- MAYBE 1198 00:31:30,327 --> 00:31:30,858 THEY COULD FIGURE OUT THAT -- 1199 00:31:30,927 --> 00:31:34,462 WHAT CAUSED THIS DISEASE. 1200 00:31:34,531 --> 00:31:35,062 >> John: YOU CAN SEE WHY THAT 1201 00:31:35,131 --> 00:31:36,998 WOULD BE SO APPEALING FOR HER. 1202 00:31:37,067 --> 00:31:37,632 AND WHY IT MAKES IT SO UPSETTING 1203 00:31:37,701 --> 00:31:41,669 THAT, A MONTH AFTER CODY DIED, A 1204 00:31:41,738 --> 00:31:43,104 REPORTER FROM REUTERS BOUGHT HER 1205 00:31:43,173 --> 00:31:44,639 SON'S CERVICAL SPINE FOR $300, 1206 00:31:44,708 --> 00:31:45,373 PLUS SHIPPING, FROM THAT 1207 00:31:45,442 --> 00:31:47,842 COMPANY. 1208 00:31:47,911 --> 00:31:48,476 AND IF YOU'RE THINKING, "HOW THE 1209 00:31:48,545 --> 00:31:49,410 FUCK WAS THAT ALLOWED TO 1210 00:31:49,479 --> 00:31:50,378 HAPPEN?" 1211 00:31:50,447 --> 00:31:53,147 WELL, IN ALMOST EVERY STATE, 1212 00:31:53,216 --> 00:31:54,415 IT'S LEGAL TO SELL THE HUMAN 1213 00:31:54,484 --> 00:31:56,184 REMAINS OF ADULTS. 1214 00:31:56,253 --> 00:31:56,951 THERE ARE MULTIPLE WEBSITES 1215 00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:58,653 WHERE YOU CAN BUY HUMAN BONES. 1216 00:31:58,722 --> 00:32:00,288 SKULLS UNLIMITED -- WHICH IS 1217 00:32:00,357 --> 00:32:00,922 ACTUALLY THE COMPANY THAT OWNED 1218 00:32:00,991 --> 00:32:03,691 THAT BONE MUSEUM YOU SAW 1219 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,325 EARLIER, SELLS SKELETONS THAT IT 1220 00:32:04,394 --> 00:32:05,960 GUARANTEES ARE ANTIQUES -- 1221 00:32:06,029 --> 00:32:07,228 D■ECADES-OLD HUMAN BONES ONC 1222 00:32:07,297 --> 00:32:07,797 USED IN PLACES LIKE MEDICAL 1223 00:32:07,864 --> 00:32:10,531 SCHOOLS. 1224 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,966 BUT UNDER MOST STATES' LAWS, 1225 00:32:12,035 --> 00:32:13,267 THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE. 1226 00:32:13,336 --> 00:32:17,905 AND THEY'LL SELL YOU A HUMAN 1227 00:32:17,974 --> 00:32:19,006 SKULL FOR $2,200, OR A RIB FOR 1228 00:32:19,075 --> 00:32:21,109 $40. 1229 00:32:21,178 --> 00:32:23,044 YOU CAN EVEN BUY HUMAN TEETH FOR 1230 00:32:23,113 --> 00:32:23,945 $35 A POP. 1231 00:32:24,014 --> 00:32:25,746 WHICH IS A PRETTY GREAT DEAL. 1232 00:32:25,815 --> 00:32:27,515 AND THE REASON I KNOW THAT IS, 1233 00:32:27,584 --> 00:32:29,117 WE BOUGHT TWO DOZEN OF THEM! 1234 00:32:29,186 --> 00:32:31,119 EXCEPT OF COURSE WE DIDN'T, 1235 00:32:31,188 --> 00:32:31,621 RELAX, WE'RE NOT FUCKING 1236 00:32:31,688 --> 00:32:34,555 MONSTERS! 1237 00:32:34,624 --> 00:32:36,090 BUT WE COULD HAVE DONE IT IF WE 1238 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:36,791 WANTED TO, AND I'M VERY 1239 00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:38,659 DISAPPOINTED BY HOW MANY PEOPLE 1240 00:32:38,728 --> 00:32:40,761 IN THIS ROOM SEEMED GENUINELY 1241 00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:41,762 WORRIED THAT WE MIGHT'VE DONE 1242 00:32:41,831 --> 00:32:42,830 THAT! 1243 00:32:42,899 --> 00:32:49,899 UNBELIEVABLE! 1244 00:32:53,343 --> 00:32:53,810 AND YOU MIGHT BE 1245 00:32:53,877 --> 00:32:54,442 THINKING, "THIS WHOLE STORY HAS 1246 00:32:54,511 --> 00:32:54,978 HORRIFIED ME SO MUCH, I'M 1247 00:32:55,045 --> 00:32:55,610 KEEPING EVERYTHING INSIDE ME AND 1248 00:32:55,679 --> 00:32:56,179 I'M TAKING IT TO MY GRAVE." 1249 00:32:56,246 --> 00:32:56,746 BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO 1250 00:32:56,813 --> 00:32:57,812 REITERATE JUST HOW MEANINGFUL 1251 00:32:57,881 --> 00:32:58,412 ORGAN DONATION, IN PARTICULAR, 1252 00:32:58,481 --> 00:32:59,781 CAN BE. 1253 00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:01,249 TAKE WHAT HAPPENED TO 1254 00:33:01,318 --> 00:33:02,950 ALYSSA SANDEEN, WHO WOULD HAVE 1255 00:33:03,019 --> 00:33:04,118 DIED WITHOUT A HEART TRANSPLANT. 1256 00:33:04,187 --> 00:33:04,719 AND TEN YEARS AGO, ONE BECAME 1257 00:33:04,788 --> 00:33:06,988 AVAILABLE, AFTER THIS 1258 00:33:07,057 --> 00:33:08,122 20-YEAR-OLD, KATE LEAKLY, WAS 1259 00:33:08,191 --> 00:33:08,691 TRAGICALLY KILLED BY A DRUNK 1260 00:33:08,758 --> 00:33:10,158 DRIVER. 1261 00:33:10,227 --> 00:33:10,758 THAT TRANSPLANT SAVED ALYSSA'S 1262 00:33:10,827 --> 00:33:14,362 LIFE. 1263 00:33:14,431 --> 00:33:14,962 AND A FEW YEARS LATER, ALYSSA 1264 00:33:15,031 --> 00:33:15,797 MET KATE'S FAMILY, AND THE 1265 00:33:15,866 --> 00:33:18,933 RESULT WAS INCREDIBLY MOVING. 1266 00:33:19,002 --> 00:33:19,567 >> ALYSSA DECIDED TO MEET KATE'S 1267 00:33:19,636 --> 00:33:20,868 FAMILY. 1268 00:33:20,937 --> 00:33:21,502 OVER THE WEEKEND, THEY MADE THE 1269 00:33:21,571 --> 00:33:24,071 DRIVE TO ILLINOIS. 1270 00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:24,641 WHEN THEY GOT THERE, KATE'S 1271 00:33:24,708 --> 00:33:26,507 PARENTS AND SISTER WERE WAITING. 1272 00:33:26,576 --> 00:33:28,776 FINALLY, TWO FAMILIES BONDED BY 1273 00:33:28,845 --> 00:33:35,116 A SPECIAL GIFT MET FACE TO FACE. 1274 00:33:35,185 --> 00:33:36,784 >> IT'S SO NICE TO MEET YOU. 1275 00:33:36,853 --> 00:33:38,152 >> ALYSSA CAME WITH HER OWN 1276 00:33:38,221 --> 00:33:40,054 GIFT, A STUFFED TEDDY BEAR FOR 1277 00:33:40,123 --> 00:33:44,559 THE MOTHER TO KEEP WITH A SOUND. 1278 00:33:44,628 --> 00:33:45,193 >> SO, THEY MADE A RECORDING OF 1279 00:33:45,262 --> 00:33:50,097 MY HEARTBEAT WITH A STETHOSCOPE, 1280 00:33:50,166 --> 00:33:50,698 AND WE DECIDED TO GIVE THAT TO 1281 00:33:50,767 --> 00:33:51,666 HER SO SHE CAN KEEP HER 1282 00:33:51,735 --> 00:33:55,903 DAUGHTER'S HEART WITH HER. 1283 00:33:55,972 --> 00:33:56,372 THAT'S YOUR DAUGHTER'S 1284 00:33:56,439 --> 00:34:01,008 HEARTBEAT. 1285 00:34:01,077 --> 00:34:05,146 >> JUST TO HEAR HER HEARTBEAT, I 1286 00:34:05,215 --> 00:34:06,714 CAN'T EXPLAIN IT. 1287 00:34:06,783 --> 00:34:07,982 >> John: THAT IS AMAZING. 1288 00:34:08,051 --> 00:34:10,151 AND LET'S ALL AGREE, ALYSSA 1289 00:34:10,220 --> 00:34:10,720 ABSOLUTELY NAILED THAT GIFT. 1290 00:34:10,787 --> 00:34:11,552 THAT'S ABOUT AS THOUGHTFUL AS 1291 00:34:11,621 --> 00:34:17,792 GIFT-GIVING GETS. 1292 00:34:17,861 --> 00:34:18,926 IT'S CERTAINLY BETTER THAN WHAT 1293 00:34:18,995 --> 00:34:19,527 I WOULD HAVE DONE: DESPERATELY 1294 00:34:19,596 --> 00:34:20,261 LOOK AT HALLMARK CARDS AND THEN 1295 00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:21,162 ACCIDENTALLY BUY ONE THAT SAYS 1296 00:34:21,231 --> 00:34:22,730 "HAPPY GRADUATION." 1297 00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:24,632 THE POINT IS, WE ALL KNOW 1298 00:34:24,701 --> 00:34:25,933 DONATING ORGANS SAVES LIVES. 1299 00:34:26,002 --> 00:34:29,570 AND GIVING YOUR BODY TO SCIENCE 1300 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,472 CAN SAVE AND ENHANCE THEM, TOO. 1301 00:34:31,541 --> 00:34:32,240 BUT WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO WITH 1302 00:34:32,309 --> 00:34:35,143 THOSE GIFTS IS BROKEN. 1303 00:34:35,212 --> 00:34:36,377 FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE DYING 1304 00:34:36,446 --> 00:34:38,379 WAITING FOR ORGANS THAT COULD BE 1305 00:34:38,448 --> 00:34:39,213 COMING, BUT AREN'T. 1306 00:34:39,282 --> 00:34:40,448 AND ONE OF THEM, SADLY, IS 1307 00:34:40,517 --> 00:34:42,083 TONYA INGRAM, WHO DIED LAST 1308 00:34:42,152 --> 00:34:43,551 YEAR, NEVER HAVING GOTTEN THE 1309 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:45,086 TRANSPLANT THAT SHE WAS WAITING 1310 00:34:45,155 --> 00:34:46,687 FOR. 1311 00:34:46,756 --> 00:34:48,189 SO WHAT CAN WE DO? 1312 00:34:48,258 --> 00:34:49,457 WELL, FOR ORGANS, WE NEED TO 1313 00:34:49,526 --> 00:34:50,958 RAISE THE STANDARDS OF HOW THE 1314 00:34:51,027 --> 00:34:51,959 SYSTEM OPERATES. 1315 00:34:52,028 --> 00:34:53,194 AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME GOOD 1316 00:34:53,263 --> 00:34:54,595 NEWS ON THAT FRONT FROM -- AND I 1317 00:34:54,664 --> 00:34:55,997 CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ABOUT TO SAY 1318 00:34:56,066 --> 00:34:56,399 THIS -- THE TRUMP 1319 00:34:56,466 --> 00:34:59,233 ADMINISTRATION. 1320 00:34:59,302 --> 00:35:01,035 IT ACTUALLY PUT A RULE IN PLACE 1321 00:35:01,104 --> 00:35:01,504 THAT PROVIDES AN 1322 00:35:01,571 --> 00:35:03,037 OBJECTIVE-RATHER THAN 1323 00:35:03,106 --> 00:35:04,305 SELF-REPORTED-METRIC FOR 1324 00:35:04,374 --> 00:35:07,208 MEASURING THE PERFORMANCE OF 1325 00:35:07,277 --> 00:35:07,744 OPOs. 1326 00:35:07,811 --> 00:35:08,376 AND STARTING IN 2026, OPOs WHO 1327 00:35:08,445 --> 00:35:08,976 FALL BELOW A CERTAIN STANDARD, 1328 00:35:09,045 --> 00:35:11,979 WILL LOSE THEIR CONTRACT. 1329 00:35:12,048 --> 00:35:12,580 IT'S ONE OF EXACTLY TWO GOOD 1330 00:35:12,649 --> 00:35:13,915 THINGS WE GOT FROM THE TRUMP 1331 00:35:13,984 --> 00:35:14,816 ADMINISTRATION, ALONGSIDE THIS 1332 00:35:14,885 --> 00:35:17,318 SPECTACULAR GAY RABBIT. 1333 00:35:17,387 --> 00:35:18,653 NOW, THAT NEW RULE IS NOT 1334 00:35:18,722 --> 00:35:20,288 PERFECT. 1335 00:35:20,357 --> 00:35:22,557 SOME EXPERTS WORRY THE STANDARDS 1336 00:35:22,626 --> 00:35:23,691 MIGHT PUNISH GOOD OPOs BY NOT 1337 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,059 PROPERLY ADJUSTING FOR THINGS 1338 00:35:25,128 --> 00:35:26,227 THAT AREN'T IN THEIR CONTROL, 1339 00:35:26,296 --> 00:35:28,196 WHILE ALSO ALLOWING STRUGGLING 1340 00:35:28,265 --> 00:35:28,830 OPOs AN OPPORTUNITY TO GAME THE 1341 00:35:28,899 --> 00:35:30,665 SYSTEM. 1342 00:35:30,734 --> 00:35:32,266 ONE PARTICULAR WORRY IS THE 1343 00:35:32,335 --> 00:35:33,768 SO-CALLED "PANCREAS EXCEPTION," 1344 00:35:33,837 --> 00:35:34,402 WHICH LETS OPOs CLAIM CREDIT FOR 1345 00:35:34,471 --> 00:35:36,471 PANCREASES THAT AREN'T 1346 00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:37,105 TRANSPLANTED, BUT ARE RECOVERED 1347 00:35:37,174 --> 00:35:40,074 FOR RESEARCH. 1348 00:35:40,143 --> 00:35:41,409 IT'S NOT A GREAT SIGN THAT ONE 1349 00:35:41,478 --> 00:35:43,978 UNDERPERFORMING OPO IN OHIO, 1350 00:35:44,047 --> 00:35:44,745 LIFEBANC, WENT FROM RECOVERING 1351 00:35:44,814 --> 00:35:47,815 ONE PANCREAS FOR RESEARCH THE 1352 00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:48,416 YEAR BEFORE THE NEW STANDARDS 1353 00:35:48,485 --> 00:35:49,817 WERE RELEASED, TO 151 SO FAR 1354 00:35:49,886 --> 00:35:52,153 THIS YEAR. 1355 00:35:52,222 --> 00:35:53,621 ALSO, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, "THE 1356 00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:54,689 PANCREAS EXCEPTION" SOUNDS LIKE 1357 00:35:54,758 --> 00:35:56,090 A DIRECT-TO-DVD THRILLER FROM 1358 00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:56,659 2003 STARRING NICHOLAS CAGE. 1359 00:35:56,726 --> 00:36:00,194 AS FOR UNOS, THIS PAST 1360 00:36:00,263 --> 00:36:01,028 SEPTEMBER, PRESIDENT BIDEN 1361 00:36:01,097 --> 00:36:02,997 SIGNED A BILL THAT COULD SPLIT 1362 00:36:03,066 --> 00:36:03,533 UP ITS CONTRACT AND ALLOW 1363 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,434 OTHERS, INCLUDING FOR-PROFIT 1364 00:36:06,503 --> 00:36:07,068 COMPANIES, TO COMPETE FOR PARTS 1365 00:36:07,137 --> 00:36:08,936 OF THE SERVICES IT NOW PROVIDES. 1366 00:36:09,005 --> 00:36:10,605 WILL THAT IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY 1367 00:36:10,674 --> 00:36:12,707 OF OUR NATIONAL SYSTEM? 1368 00:36:12,776 --> 00:36:13,307 LET'S HOPE SO, BUT THE JURY'S 1369 00:36:13,376 --> 00:36:14,375 CURRENTLY OUT. 1370 00:36:14,444 --> 00:36:17,145 AS FOR WHOLE BODIES DONATED FOR 1371 00:36:17,214 --> 00:36:18,212 RESEARCH, THERE'S A LAW AWAITING 1372 00:36:18,281 --> 00:36:18,782 A VOTE IN CONGRESS RIGHT NOW 1373 00:36:18,849 --> 00:36:20,782 THAT WOULD ENSURE DONATED BODIES 1374 00:36:20,851 --> 00:36:21,415 ARE NOT UNKNOWINGLY CONTRIBUTED 1375 00:36:21,484 --> 00:36:23,618 TO A FOR-PROFIT INDUSTRY, WHICH 1376 00:36:23,687 --> 00:36:28,422 SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. 1377 00:36:28,491 --> 00:36:29,023 BUT EVEN AS WE'RE WAITING FOR 1378 00:36:29,092 --> 00:36:31,526 THESE LONG OVERDUE IMPROVEMENTS, 1379 00:36:31,595 --> 00:36:33,094 LET ME BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT 1380 00:36:33,163 --> 00:36:33,795 SOMETHING HERE: I'M AN ORGAN 1381 00:36:33,864 --> 00:36:36,230 DONOR. 1382 00:36:36,299 --> 00:36:37,365 WHEN I DIE AND SOMEONE IS IN 1383 00:36:37,434 --> 00:36:39,901 NEED OF THESE SUB-PAR ORGANS, 1384 00:36:39,970 --> 00:36:41,235 THEY CAN HAVE AT 'EM! 1385 00:36:41,304 --> 00:36:41,704 AND NOTHING THAT WE'VE 1386 00:36:41,771 --> 00:36:42,837 RESEARCHED OR COVERED TONIGHT, 1387 00:36:42,906 --> 00:36:43,905 HOWEVER UNPLEASANT IT'S BEEN, 1388 00:36:43,974 --> 00:36:44,505 HAS CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT THAT 1389 00:36:44,574 --> 00:36:47,508 DECISION. 1390 00:36:47,577 --> 00:36:48,609 AND WHILE PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T 1391 00:36:48,678 --> 00:36:49,844 MIND BEING A SKELETON DOING A 1392 00:36:49,913 --> 00:36:51,078 BACKFLIP IN A MUSEUM, I KNOW 1393 00:36:51,147 --> 00:36:53,347 THAT MY FAMILY MIGHT HAVE SOME 1394 00:36:53,416 --> 00:36:54,115 OBJECTIONS TO THAT. 1395 00:36:54,184 --> 00:36:56,584 SO, IF YOU WANT TO, AND YOU 1396 00:36:56,653 --> 00:36:58,453 HAVEN'T ALREADY, YOU SHOULD SIGN 1397 00:36:58,522 --> 00:37:01,088 UP TO DONATE YOUR ORGANS -- YOU 1398 00:37:01,157 --> 00:37:04,425 CAN DO THAT AT RegisterMe.org. 1399 00:37:04,494 --> 00:37:05,760 IF WANT TO LOOK INTO BEING A 1400 00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:06,828 LIVING KIDNEY DONOR, YOU CAN 1401 00:37:06,897 --> 00:37:08,596 LEARN MORE AT OrganDonor.gov. 1402 00:37:08,665 --> 00:37:10,498 AND WHETHER YOU WANT TO DONATE 1403 00:37:10,567 --> 00:37:11,833 YOUR ORGANS, OR YOUR WHOLE BODY, 1404 00:37:11,902 --> 00:37:12,900 YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A 1405 00:37:12,969 --> 00:37:13,501 CONVERSATION WITH YOUR FAMILY 1406 00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:15,503 NOW ABOUT IT. 1407 00:37:15,572 --> 00:37:17,872 AND I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY TO TALK 1408 00:37:17,941 --> 00:37:18,506 TO THEM ABOUT THIS -- OR INDEED, 1409 00:37:18,575 --> 00:37:21,209 ANYTHING. 1410 00:37:21,278 --> 00:37:21,809 BUT IT -- IT IS REALLY 1411 00:37:21,878 --> 00:37:23,911 IMPORTANT. 1412 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:24,812 BECAUSE REMEMBER, LIVES ARE 1413 00:37:24,881 --> 00:37:26,380 HANGING IN THE BALANCE HERE. 1414 00:37:26,449 --> 00:37:26,981 THESE DONATIONS ARE IMMENSELY 1415 00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:29,417 GENEROUS GIFTS. 1416 00:37:29,486 --> 00:37:29,986 AND WE ALL DESERVE A SYSTEM 1417 00:37:30,053 --> 00:37:30,952 THAT'S WORTHY OF THAT 1418 00:37:31,021 --> 00:37:32,420 GENEROSITY. 1419 00:37:32,489 --> 00:37:33,087 ONE THAT OPERATES WITH 1420 00:37:33,156 --> 00:37:34,322 EFFICIENCY, SAVES AS MANY LIVES 1421 00:37:34,391 --> 00:37:35,923 AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT, AT THE 1422 00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:38,359 VERY LEAST, ENSURES EVERY HEART 1423 00:37:38,428 --> 00:37:41,129 MAKES ITS AIRLINE CONNECTION, 1424 00:37:41,198 --> 00:37:42,263 AND NOBODY'S BODY UNEXPECTEDLY 1425 00:37:42,332 --> 00:37:43,798 WINDS UP SLICED AND DICED IN A 1426 00:37:43,867 --> 00:37:46,300 TWO-STAR BUSINESS HOTEL. 1427 00:37:46,369 --> 00:37:49,103 IT'S JUST NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK. 1428 00:37:49,172 --> 00:37:49,606 THAT IS OUR SHOW. 1429 00:37:49,673 --> 00:37:51,172 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING. 1430 00:37:51,241 --> 00:37:52,240 WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. 1431 00:37:52,309 --> 00:37:54,375 AND NOW, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH A 1432 00:37:54,444 --> 00:37:55,009 FEW MORE GLORIOUS SECONDS OF THE 1433 00:37:55,078 --> 00:37:56,944 MOST INTENSE TRAINING VIDEO EVER 1434 00:37:57,013 --> 00:38:00,548 PRODUCED. 1435 00:38:00,617 --> 00:38:02,016 >> 911 WAS CALLED, WHO WAS THE 1436 00:38:02,085 --> 00:38:03,651 FIRST PERSON THAT WAS NOTIFIED? 1437 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,386 >> YEAH, SHE WAS CONTACTED 1438 00:38:05,455 --> 00:38:05,755 FIRST. 1439 00:38:05,822 --> 00:38:07,121 YEAH, YOU THINK SHE HAD 1440 00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:07,657 ANY NERVE TO CALL ME ABOUT 1441 00:38:07,724 --> 00:38:08,556 ANYTHING? 1442 00:38:08,625 --> 00:38:09,190 >> YOU KNOW WHAT, I CALLED YOU. 1443 00:38:09,259 --> 00:38:10,124 I CALLED YOU SEVERAL -- 1444 00:38:10,193 --> 00:38:11,025 IT'S MY FAULT YOU DIDN'T ANSWER 1445 00:38:11,094 --> 00:38:11,993 YOUR GODDAMN PHONE? 1446 00:38:12,062 --> 00:38:14,862 [OVERLAPPING ARGUING] 1447 00:38:14,931 --> 00:38:18,833 >> ALL RIGHT, STOP! 1448 00:38:18,902 --> 00:38:19,467 IT'S GETTING A LITTLE HEAVY IN 1449 00:38:19,536 --> 00:38:20,501 HERE. 1450 00:38:20,570 --> 00:38:22,937 YOU DOING OKAY? 1451 00:38:23,006 --> 00:38:23,839 ♪ ♪