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>> John: WELCOME, WELCOME,

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WELCOME TO "LAST WEEK TONIGHT!"

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I'M JOHN OLIVER.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING

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US.

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IT'S BEEN A BUSY WEEK.

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IN GAZA, ISRAEL KILLED -- AMONG

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OTHERS -- SEVEN AID WORKERS,

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SOMETHING THE BIDEN

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ADMINISTRATION EXPRESSED OUTRAGE

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ABOUT AS THEY CONTINUE TO SEND

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ISRAEL MORE BOMBS.

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MEANWHILE, TAIWAN SAW A MAJOR

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EARTHQUAKE, AND NEW JERSEY SAW A

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MINOR ONE, WHICH NEVERTHELESS

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GOT A TON OF COVERAGE, BECAUSE

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IT WAS FELT WHERE THE NATIONAL

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MEDIA ARE BASED, LEADING TO THIS

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MEDIA ARE BASED, LEADING TO THIS

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EXCELLENT MOMENT ON CNN.

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>> TO OUR VIEWERS, WE ARE

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GETTING SOME INCREDIBLE NEW

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VIDEO JUST IN OUT OF NEW JERSEY

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SHOWING THE EARTHQUAKE.

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WATCH THIS...

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WELL, IT DOESN'T SEEM SO

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INCREDIBLE, THIS VIDEO.

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>> John: WOW, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU

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TELL YOUR FRIEND ABOUT A FUNNY

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VIDEO YOU SAW ON YOUTUBE, THEN

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YOU SHOW IT TO THEM, THEY DON'T

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LAUGH AT ALL, AND YOU BOTH SIT

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IN AWKWARD SILENCE?

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THAT'S WHAT JUST HAPPENED ON THE

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NEWS.

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BUT WE'RE GOING TO DIVE RIGHT

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INTO OUR MAIN STORY TONIGHT,

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WHICH CONCERNS THE DEATH

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PENALTY.

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AMERICA'S HAD IT FOR CENTURIES

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-- BUT ITS METHODS HAVE VARIED

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CONSIDERABLY, AS THIS

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DOCUMENTARY FROM THE EIGHTIES

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EXPLAINS IN WEIRDLY

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COMPREHENSIVE FASHION.

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>> THE METHODS AMERICA HAS USED

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TO EXECUTE ITS CRIMINALS HAVE

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CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, FROM

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BURNING TO DRAWING AND

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QUARTERING TO HANGING.

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CRIMINALS HAVE BEEN AXED,

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CRUCIFIED, BURIED ALIVE, PRESSED

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WITH WEIGHTS, STONED, IMPALED,

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STARVED, DECAPITATED, AND

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GIBBETTED.

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GIBBETTING IS THE HANGING OF THE

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CONDEMNED MAN BY CHAINS TO ROT.

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DEATH OFTEN TAKES WEEKS TO

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>> John: HOLY SHIT.

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A FEW THINGS.

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FIRST, IF THAT LIST WASN'T SO

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HORRIFYING, THE CREATIVITY WOULD

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BE GENUINELY IMPRESSIVE.

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"PRESSED WITH WEIGHTS?"

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YOU'VE GOTTA BE PRETTY INVENTIVE

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TO BE BRAINSTORMING WAYS TO KILL

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PEOPLE AND THINK: "LET'S PANINI

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THEM!"

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SECOND: WHAT THE FUCK IS "AXED?"

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AT FIRST, I THOUGHT "BEHEADING"

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BUT THEN "DECAPITATED" IS LISTED

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AS ITS OWN THING.

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SO IS "AXED" JUST SOMEONE

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HACKING AT YOU LIKE THEY'RE IN

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ONE OF THOSE LUMBERJACK

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OR DID PEOPLE JUST THROW AXES,

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LIKE THEY'RE AT A BACHELORETTE

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PARTY IN BROOKLYN THAT NEEDED AN

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AND AS FOR "GIBBETTING," THAT'S

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A HORRIFYING DEFINITION FOR AN

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"GIBBETTING" SOUNDS LIKE WHAT

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FOOD AT A PETTING ZOO OR THE

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WEIRD HEAD MOVEMENT THAT PIGEONS

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AT ITS GROSSEST, "GIBBETTING"

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HICCUPS BUT THERES A TINY BIT OF

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NOT HANGING SOMEONE BY CHAINS

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FOR DAYS UNTIL THEY ROT TO

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DEATH.

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AND LET ME ACKNOWLEDGE: WE'VE

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TALKED ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY

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BEFORE, IN OUR SECOND-EVER SHOW

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BACK IN 2014, AND AGAIN FIVE

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YEARS LATER -- IN AN EPISODE

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NARROWLY BEATING OUT

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"PAUL BLART: MALL COP 2" AS THE

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LEAST ANTICIPATED SEQUEL OF ALL

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AND TO QUICKLY SUMMARIZE THE

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ARGUMENTS IN THOSE STORIES: OUR

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STANCE WAS THAT THE DEATH

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PENALTY IS MORALLY WRONG,

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THERE'S NO HUMANE WAY TO DO IT,

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AND ANY DISCUSSION OF ONE IS

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AKIN TO COMING UP WITH THE BEST

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WAY TO FUCK YOUR MOM -- WHICH IS

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TO SAY, THERE IS SIMPLY NO RIGHT

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WAY TO DO THAT.

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BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE

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DEATH PENALTY A THIRD TIME,

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BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME

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GRIM DEVELOPMENTS.

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FOR ONE THING: SINCE OUR LAST

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PIECE AIRED, THE U.S. HAS

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EXECUTED 91 PEOPLE.

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AND 13 OF THOSE EXECUTIONS WERE

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DONE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

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WHICH IS ACTUALLY UNUSUAL, GIVEN

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THAT, FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES,

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THERE HAD BEEN ZERO.

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AND ALL THOSE 13 FEDERAL

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EXECUTIONS WERE UNDER TRUMP, WHO

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WENT ON AN EXECUTION SPREE AT

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THE END OF HIS TERM, INCLUDING

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THE FIRST LAME-DUCK FEDERAL

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EXECUTION IN MORE THAN A

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CENTURY.

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WHICH SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISING,

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GIVEN HIS OUTSPOKEN LOVE OF

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CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, FROM TAKING

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OUT FULL-PAGE ADS CALLING FOR IT

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TO BE APPLIED TO THE CENTRAL

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PARK FIVE, TO CONSTANTLY SAYING

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THINGS LIKE THIS.

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>> I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE

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DEATH PENALTY.

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I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND PEOPLE

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THAT DON'T.

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DEATH PENALTY, BRING IT FORTH.

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I AM SO FOR THE DEATH PENALTY.

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REMEMBER THE OLD DAYS?

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A DESERTER.

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WHAT HAPPENED?

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BANG!

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YOU KNOW THE OLD DAYS, BOOM!

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FIRING SQUAD.

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YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD DAYS, BING

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WHEN WE WERE STRONG, WHEN WE

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WERE STRONG.

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THE ULTIMATE PENALTY HAS TO BE

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THE DEATH PENALTY.

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NOW, MAYBE OUR COUNTRY'S NOT

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READY FOR THAT, IT'S POSSIBLE,

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IT'S POSSIBLE THAT OUR COUNTRY

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IS NOT READY FOR THAT AND I CAN

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UNDERSTAND IT, MAYBE.

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ALTHOUGH PERSONALLY, I CAN'T

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UNDERSTAND THAT.

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>> John: OKAY.

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FIRST, GENUINELY SHOCKING TO

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HEAR THE PHRASE "BRING IT FORTH"

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COME OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

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SECOND, HOW CAN YOU UNDERSTAND,

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BUT ALSO CAN'T UNDERSTAND?

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AND FINALLY, DO YOU THINK GUNS

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GO "BING BONG?"

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WHY WOULD YOU MAKE THAT SOUND,

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WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY CORRECT

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GUN NOISES?

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"BANG," "BOOM," "PEW," "POW."

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I'D EVEN ACCEPT "BLAM-O!"

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BUT "BING BONG?"

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THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING

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ABOUT?

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I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING SAY IS I

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CAN UNDERSTAND IT, MAYBE,

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ALTHOUGH PERSONALLY I CAN'T

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UNDERSTAND IT.

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BUT THE THING I WANT TO FOCUS ON

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ABOUT THOSE FEDERAL EXECUTIONS

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IS THE METHOD USED TO CARRY THEM

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OUT.

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BECAUSE IT WASN'T 100% BY THE

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BOOK.

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AND THAT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE

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SURPRISING COMING FROM THE TRUMP

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ADMINISTRATION, BUT WE MAY HAVE

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SOME NEW INFORMATION FOR YOU

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TONIGHT ABOUT EXACTLY HOW FAR

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FROM THE BOOK THEY ENDED UP

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STRAYING.

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AND THAT DISREGARD SPEAKS TO A

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LARGER ISSUE, WHICH IS THAT OUR

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FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS

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HAVE CONTINUED TO PURSUE

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QUESTIONABLY LEGAL AND

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DEFINITELY HORRIFYING WAYS TO DO

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SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, I'D ARGUE

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THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING AT ALL.

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SO GIVEN THAT, TONIGHT, LET'S

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CHECK IN ON SOME OF THE NEW WAYS

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OUR GOVERNMENT HAS FOUND TO

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EXECUTE PEOPLE.

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AND LET'S START WITH THE FACT

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THAT -- AS WE'VE DISCUSSED

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BEFORE -- IT CAN BE INCREDIBLY

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HARD FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO FIND

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DRUGS TO USE IN LETHAL

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INJECTIONS THE GOVERNOR OF SOUTH

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CAROLINA ONCE SUMMED UP THE

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REASONS FOR THAT AT A PRESS

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PLANNED LETHAL INJECTION

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COULDN'T BE CARRIED OUT.

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>> THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE THE

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DRUGS, DESPITE EFFORTS, INTENSE

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EFFORTS, TO GET 'EM, IS BECAUSE

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THE COMPANIES THAT MAKE 'EM, THE

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DISTRIBUTORS WHO DISTRIBUTE 'EM,

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AND THE PHARMACISTS WHO MAY HAVE

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TO COMPOUND 'EM DON'T WANT TO BE

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IDENTIFIED.

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THEY ARE AFRAID THAT THEIR NAMES

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WILL BE MADE KNOWN, AND THAT

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THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING

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TO DO WITH IT.

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>> John: HE'S RIGHT.

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HE'S DOING A B-MINUS IMPRESSION

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OF FOGHORN LEGHORN, BUT HE IS

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RIGHT!

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DRUG SUPPLIERS DON'T WANT THEIR

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NAMES ASSOCIATED WITH

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EXECUTIONS.

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IN FACT, PEOPLE GENERALLY DON'T

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LIKE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH

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KILLING THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS.

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IT'S WHY YOUR FRIEND'S HUSBAND

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SAYS HE'S "IN CONSULTING"

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INSTEAD OF "WORKING FOR BIG

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TOBACCO," AND BECCA FROM COLLEGE

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SAYS SHE'S A "CORPORATE LAWYER"

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INSTEAD OF "DEFENDING THE

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SACKLERS IN COURT."

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ALSO -- AND THIS ISN'T THE

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POINT, BUT -- DID THESE TWO...

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COORDINATE THEIR OUTFITS?

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I'M GONNA CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT

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THE GOVERNOR CALLED UP THE OTHER

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GUY THE NIGHT BEFORE AND WAS

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LIKE, "HEY BABE, LET'S DO RED

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TIE, WHITE SHIRT, AND AN

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UNTAILORED BLACK SUIT FROM

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JOSEPH A. BANK'S DRAB

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CONSERVATIVE COLLECTION.

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SEE YA IN THE MORNING, TWINSIE!"

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WHAT THAT GOVERNOR WAS PUSHING

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FOR -- AND ULTIMATELY GOT -- WAS

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A SHIELD LAW KEEPING THE NAMES

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OF DRUG SUPPLIERS SECRET.

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AND SOUTH CAROLINA ISN'T ALONE

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-- SINCE 2011, FIFTEEN STATES

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HAVE ENACTED NEW SECRECY

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STATUTES THAT CONCEAL VITAL

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXECUTION

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PROCESS, FROM THE NAMES OF DRUG

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SUPPLIERS TO THE IDENTITIES OF

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THOSE PARTICIPATING.

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BUT EVEN WITH THAT SECRECY, MANY

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SUPPLIERS STILL REFUSE TO

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PROVIDE DRUGS FOR EXECUTIONS,

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BECAUSE IT IS BAD FOR BUSINESS.

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AND THAT'S LED STATES TO SOURCE

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DRUGS FROM PRETTY SKETCHY

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SUPPLIERS.

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WHICH IS A PROBLEM, BECAUSE WHEN

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DRUGS ARE TAINTED, OR NOT

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FORMULATED AT THE PROPER DOSAGE,

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EXECUTIONS CAN BECOME A

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PROTRACTED NIGHTMARE OF

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SUFFERING, WHICH IS BOTH

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HORRIFYING, AND ALSO,

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UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

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TAKE ARIZONA.

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OVER THE YEARS, IT'S SOURCED

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DRUGS FROM PLACES INCLUDING A

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DRIVING SCHOOL IN LONDON AND A

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RANDOM GUY IN INDIA WHOSE

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SUPPOSED "FACILITIES" INCLUDED

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HIS FORMER APARTMENT AND A TINY

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AND WHOSE DRUGS WERE

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SEIZED BY THE FDA.

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AND ARIZONA HAS A HISTORY OF NOT

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ADMINISTERING DRUGS PROPERLY --

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IT ACTUALLY PAUSED EXECUTIONS

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FOR EIGHT YEARS, AFTER ONE IN

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2014 WAS BOTCHED, TAKING NEARLY

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TWO HOURS AS A MAN DIED GASPING

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FOR AIR.

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AND WHEN EXECUTIONS RESUMED

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THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,

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THERE WAS A CONCERN THEY'D

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REPEAT THOSE MISTAKES.

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BUT THE STATE'S AG, MARK

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BRNOVICH, DIDN'T SEEM THAT

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CONCERNED ABOUT ANY OF THIS.

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>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT

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THESE KILLERS GET WITH LETHAL

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INJECTION IS MUCH BETTER THAN

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ANYTHING THEY DID TO THE VICTIMS

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AND THEIR FAMILIES.

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>> John: OKAY.

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BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

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BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION EXISTS.

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THE 8TH AMENDMENT DOESN'T SAY

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"NO CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT

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UNLESS THEY LIKE...

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REALLY DESERVE IT."

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NOW INTERESTINGLY, THERE'S BEEN

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A BIG DEVELOPMENT IN LETHAL

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INJECTIONS, WITH STATES

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INCREASINGLY GIVING UP ON THE

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METHOD MANY HAD BEEN USING, A

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THREE-DRUG COCKTAIL OF AN

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ANESTHETIC, A PARALYTIC, AND A

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DRUG THAT INDUCES CARDIAC ARREST

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-- A PROCESS THAT'S BEEN LIKENED

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TO BEING PARALYZED WHILE FIRE IS

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POURED INTO YOUR VEINS.

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INSTEAD, THEY'VE SWITCHED OVER

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TO A SINGLE, MASSIVE SHOT OF A

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SEDATIVE CALLED PENTOBARBITAL --

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THAT IS THE DRUG THE TRUMP

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ADMINISTRATION USED IN ITS

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END-OF-TERM KILLING SPREE.

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BUT IT'S NO LESS BRUTAL THAN THE

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OTHER METHOD.

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BECAUSE WHILE THE TRUMP

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ADMINISTRATION OFFERED SANITIZED

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ACCOUNTS OF THE EXECUTIONS IT

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CARRIED OUT, LIKENING THE

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PROCESS TO "FALLING ASLEEP,"

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CALLING THE GURNEYS "BEDS" AND

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THE FINAL BREATHS "SNORES,"

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WITNESSES REPORTED THAT

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"PRISONERS' STOMACHS ROLLED,

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SHOOK, AND SHUDDERED AS THE

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PENTOBARBITAL TOOK EFFECT," AND

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IN THE TWO AUTOPSIES DONE AFTER

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THOSE EXECUTIONS, BOTH REVEALED

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THAT INMATES' LUNGS WERE TWICE

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AS HEAVY AS THEY SHOULD BE,

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INDICATING "PULMONARY EDEMA,"

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WHERE FLUID RUSHES INTO LUNGS

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AND AIRWAYS, WHICH -- IF YOU'RE

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NOT PROPERLY ANESTHETIZED --

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COULD CAUSE PAIN AKIN TO BEING

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SUFFOCATED OR DROWNED.

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ALL OF WHICH IS ABOUT AS FAR

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FROM "PEACEFULLY FALLING ASLEEP

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IN YOUR BED" AS YOUR KID'S DOG

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IS FROM "CHASING CARS IN DOGGY

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HEAVEN."

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THAT PERSON SUFFERED, AND THE

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DOG IS DEAD AND IN DOGGY HELL

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BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER BAPTIZED.

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BUT EVEN SETTING THE BRUTALITY

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ASIDE, A KEY QUESTION HANGING

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OVER THIS WHOLE THING IS: WHERE

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EXACTLY DID THE TRUMP

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ADMINISTRATION GET THESE DRUGS?

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BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S EASY

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TO FIND A SUPPLIER WILLING TO

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SELL YOU PENTOBARBITAL.

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YOU CAN'T JUST POP INTO CVS AND

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HEAD OVER TO THE

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"STATE-SPONSORED EXECUTION

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DRUGS" AISLE.

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TENNESSEE'S DEPARTMENT OF

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CORRECTIONS SPENT YEARS TRYING

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TO FIND PENTOBARBITAL FOR ITS

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EXECUTIONS, AND A REPORT LATER

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EXPOSED THE LENGTHS IT WAS

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WILLING TO GO TO, TO FIND A

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SUPPLIER.

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>> EMAILS BETWEEN TDOC AND THE

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PHARMACY THEY WORK WITH REVEALED

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THE AGENCY WAS LOOKING AT

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IMPORTING THE DRUG FROM A

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DIFFERENT COUNTRY.

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YEARS EARLIER, TDOC HAD EVEN

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ASKED THE PHARMACY IF THEY COULD

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GET THE DRUG THROUGH A

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VETERINARIAN, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK

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OUT.

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>> YOU DON'T GET DRUGS THAT YOU

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GIVE TO ANIMALS TO PEOPLE.

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IT IS SORT OF RIDICULOUS THAT

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WE HAVE TO RUN AROUND THE

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COUNTRY BEGGING, BORROWING FOR

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DRUGS TO KILL PEOPLE.

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>> John: RIGHT, THE DOC

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SHOULDN'T BE RUNNING AROUND THE

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COUNTRY BEGGING FOR DRUGS --

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THAT'S FOR DIABETICS AND WOMEN

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WHO WANT TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT

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TO CHOOSE!

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THIS IS AMERICA!

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AND HE'S RIGHT THAT YOU

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SHOULDN'T GIVE ANIMAL DRUGS TO

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PEOPLE.

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WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE

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INGESTING ANYTHING MEANT FOR

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ANIMALS, ASIDE FROM MAYBE FANCY

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FEAST, BECAUSE, BE HONEST: TELL

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ME THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD!

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I KNOW IT'S JUST A WET PUDDLE OF

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CHICKEN FOR CATS, BUT FRANKLY,

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I'M INTERESTED.

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SO PENTOBARBITAL IS HARD TO

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FIND.

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RAISING THE QUESTION OF, AGAIN,

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WHERE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION

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GOT IT.

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BUT THAT IS HARD TO FIND OUT,

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BECAUSE, AT EVERY LEVEL, THOSE

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WHO CARRY OUT EXECUTIONS CRAVE

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SECRECY.

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WHEN SOUTH CAROLINA'S EXECUTION

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METHODS WERE CHALLENGED IN THE

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STATE SUPREME COURT, HERE'S THE

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ARGUMENT THE STATE MADE FOR WHY

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SOME ELEMENTS OF THEIR PROCESS

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HAD TO REMAIN SECRET.

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>> YOUR HONOR, THE MINUTE YOU

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BEGIN TO DISCLOSE ANYTHING ABOUT

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THE DRUG, YOU BEGIN TO GIVE THE

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OTHER SIDE PUZZLE PIECES AS TO

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WHERE THE DRUG CAME FROM.

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SO WHETHER IT'S MANUFACTURED OR

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COMPOUNDED, WHAT'S THE LOT

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NUMBER OF THE DRUG OR OF THE

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BULK MATERIALS, YOU BEGIN TO

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PIECE TOGETHER WHO MANUFACTURED

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IT, WHERE COULD IT HAVE BEEN

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COMPOUNDED, WHO COULD HAVE SOLD

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'EM THE BULK MATERIAL.

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AND THE MINUTE YOU START

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RELEASING THAT, YOU MAKE IT

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HARDER FOR SCDC TO GET THE DRUGS

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IN THE FUTURE.

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>> John: THAT'S AN INTERESTING

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POINT, EVEN IF IT IS COMING FROM

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TEEN SHELDON, SUPER-LAWYER.

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ANYTIME YOU UNMASK A DRUG

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SUPPLIER, THAT PROBABLY IS GOING

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TO MAKE CARRYING OUT EXECUTIONS

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MUCH HARDER.

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SO YOU CAN SEE WHY THE FEDERAL

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GOVERNMENT SO BADLY WANTS TO

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KEEP ITS SUPPLIERS SECRET, TOO.

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AND THAT'S WHY IT MAY BE

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SLIGHTLY INCONVENIENT FOR THEM

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THAT WE'RE PRETTY SURE WE'VE

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TRACKED DOWN EXACTLY WHO

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SUPPLIED THE TRUMP

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ADMINISTRATION WITH ITS

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PENTOBARBITAL.

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IT'S A COMPANY CALLED ABSOLUTE

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STANDARDS BASED IN HAMDEN,

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CONNECTICUT.

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THAT'S THEIR LOGO ON THE SIGN

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OUTSIDE, WHICH IS PRESUMABLY

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SUPPOSED TO BE A CHEMICAL

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PARTICLE, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS

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MORE LIKE A MOBILE MADE OUT OF

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MINION TESTICLES.

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ABSOLUTE STANDARDS' BUSINESS IS

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MAKING CHEMICALS FOR CALIBRATING

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MACHINES, WHICH IS TO SAY, NOT

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MAKING DRUGS FOR HUMAN

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CONSUMPTION.

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BUT WE'RE PRETTY SURE THEY'RE

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MAKING EXECUTION DRUGS AS A SIDE

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HUSTLE, AND I THINK OUR CASE IS

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PRETTY STRONG.

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AND I KNOW I'VE SPENT A LOT OF

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TIME OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS

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REASSURING EVERYONE THAT THIS

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SHOW DOES COMEDY AND NOT

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JOURNALISM, BUT I THINK WE CAN

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ALL AGREE THAT THE MOST

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IMPORTANT THING WE DO HERE IS

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STIR SHIT UP.

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AND IT'S IN THAT SPIRIT THAT I

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WANT TO EXPLAIN HOW WE GOT TO

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THIS POINT.

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BECAUSE ONE OF OUR RESEARCHERS

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HAS BEEN COVERING THE DEATH

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PENALTY FOR YEARS, LONG BEFORE

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HE WORKED FOR US.

512
00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:45,966
AND HE FOUND THAT ABSOLUTE

513
00:13:46,033 --> 00:13:47,165
STANDARDS HAD REGISTERED WITH

514
00:13:47,233 --> 00:13:49,600
THE DEA TO PRODUCE PENTOBARBITAL

515
00:13:49,665 --> 00:13:50,933
IN AUGUST OF 2018 -- AND, AS IT

516
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,466
HAPPENS, WHEN THE BUREAU OF

517
00:13:52,533 --> 00:13:54,433
PRISONS WAS ASKED WHEN IT

518
00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:56,165
ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH A

519
00:13:56,233 --> 00:13:57,500
NEW PENTOBARBITAL SUPPLIER, THEY

520
00:13:57,566 --> 00:13:59,700
SAID, "IT WOULD HAVE BEEN

521
00:13:59,766 --> 00:14:01,300
ROUGHLY AUGUST OF 2018" -- SO

522
00:14:01,366 --> 00:14:05,066
THE TIMELINE MATCHES UP.

523
00:14:05,133 --> 00:14:05,666
AND I WILL SAY, WE'RE NOT THE

524
00:14:05,733 --> 00:14:06,400
FIRST TO SUSPECT THIS COMPANY.

525
00:14:06,466 --> 00:14:07,033
REUTERS ASKED SIMILAR QUESTIONS

526
00:14:07,133 --> 00:14:07,933
A FEW YEARS AGO, AND THE LAB'S

527
00:14:08,033 --> 00:14:09,500
DIRECTOR INITIALLY SAID HIS

528
00:14:09,566 --> 00:14:10,133
COMPANY "HAD NO INVOLVEMENT WITH

529
00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,333
THE GOVERNMENT'S EXECUTION

530
00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,866
DRUGS," ONLY TO LATER SAY HE

531
00:14:12,933 --> 00:14:14,000
COULD NOT RULE IT OUT, BECAUSE

532
00:14:14,066 --> 00:14:16,000
"IN MANY PARTS OF OUR MARKET, WE

533
00:14:16,066 --> 00:14:17,266
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL

534
00:14:17,333 --> 00:14:19,100
INTENDED USE IS GOING TO BE."

535
00:14:19,166 --> 00:14:21,100
WHICH ISN'T THAT REASSURING.

536
00:14:21,166 --> 00:14:22,833
IT'S ONE THING IF YOU'RE A

537
00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:24,300
PEANUT FARMER AND YOU DON'T KNOW

538
00:14:24,366 --> 00:14:25,800
IF YOUR NUTS ARE GONNA BE USED

539
00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:26,600
IN TRAIL MIX OR AS THE NIPPLES

540
00:14:26,666 --> 00:14:28,466
ON A SNOWMAN.

541
00:14:28,533 --> 00:14:30,800
EVERYONE KNOWS YOU USE COAL FOR

542
00:14:30,866 --> 00:14:32,165
THE EYES, A CARROT FOR THE NOSE,

543
00:14:32,233 --> 00:14:34,366
AND PEANUTS FOR THE NIPPLES.

544
00:14:34,433 --> 00:14:35,233
I DON'T MAKE THE RULES, I JUST

545
00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:39,700
FOLLOW THEM.

546
00:14:39,766 --> 00:14:41,133
BUT FOR A MANUFACTURER OF DRUGS

547
00:14:41,233 --> 00:14:43,233
THAT KILL PEOPLE, YOU SHOULD

548
00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:43,733
PROBABLY KNOW WHERE YOUR

549
00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,533
PRODUCTS ARE GOING.

550
00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:46,133
BUT WE STILL WEREN'T ENTIRELY

551
00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:46,733
SURE, SO WE FILED A FREEDOM OF

552
00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,633
INFORMATION ACT REQUEST, OR

553
00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:49,200
"FOIA," WITH THE DEA BACK IN

554
00:14:49,266 --> 00:14:50,066
2020, ASKING FOR ANY RECORDS

555
00:14:50,133 --> 00:14:54,900
THEY HAD ON ABSOLUTE STANDARDS,

556
00:14:54,966 --> 00:14:55,733
AND WHILE WE WERE WAITING FOR

557
00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,066
THEM TO SEND US OVER THE

558
00:14:57,133 --> 00:14:58,533
DOCUMENTS, THE AGENCY'S LIAISON

559
00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:59,966
SLIPPED UP TWICE OVER THE PHONE

560
00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:02,966
AND TOLD US THAT THE REASON THE

561
00:15:03,033 --> 00:15:03,733
REQUEST WAS TAKING SO LONG WAS

562
00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:04,500
BECAUSE THE DOCUMENTS WERE

563
00:15:04,566 --> 00:15:07,700
"RELATED TO THE DEATH PENALTY"

564
00:15:07,766 --> 00:15:09,166
-- WHICH IS WHAT'S KNOWN IN THE

565
00:15:09,233 --> 00:15:09,866
GOVERNMENT WORLD AS "A BIG OL'

566
00:15:09,933 --> 00:15:10,366
WHOOPSIE."

567
00:15:10,433 --> 00:15:12,266
AND, HONESTLY.

568
00:15:12,333 --> 00:15:14,933
5 OUT OF 5 ON THE POST CALL

569
00:15:15,033 --> 00:15:15,566
SURVEY.

570
00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:16,866
THIS EMPLOYEE CERTAINLY HELPED

571
00:15:16,933 --> 00:15:19,133
ME SOLVE MY PROBLEM.

572
00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,666
AND ON TOP OF ALL THIS, A

573
00:15:21,733 --> 00:15:22,166
CONFIDENTIAL SOURCE OUR

574
00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:24,833
RESEARCHER TRUSTS HAS NOW

575
00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:25,866
CONFIRMED THAT ABSOLUTE

576
00:15:25,933 --> 00:15:26,433
STANDARDS IS THE COMPANY WHO

577
00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:27,200
MADE THE DRUGS.

578
00:15:27,266 --> 00:15:27,400
SO...

579
00:15:27,466 --> 00:15:28,666
IT'S THEM.

580
00:15:28,733 --> 00:15:30,633
IT'S ABSOLUTE STANDARDS.

581
00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:31,433
HONESTLY AT THIS POINT, THEY

582
00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:32,933
MIGHT AS WELL JUST UPDATE THEIR

583
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,533
REAL SLOGAN OF "WE HAVE THE

584
00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,933
SOLUTIONS" TO "WE HAVE THE

585
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000
SOLUTIONS THAT WERE SECRETLY

586
00:15:38,066 --> 00:15:38,600
USED IN A BUNCH OF GOVERNMENT

587
00:15:38,665 --> 00:15:40,100
EXECUTIONS!"

588
00:15:40,165 --> 00:15:40,466
IT EVEN RHYMES!

589
00:15:40,533 --> 00:15:41,966
YOU CAN HAVE THAT SLOGAN FOR

590
00:15:42,033 --> 00:15:43,133
FREE, YOU MONSTERS!

591
00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,033
AND LOOK, MAYBE ABSOLUTE

592
00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,533
STANDARDS IS PROUD TO BE

593
00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,533
PRODUCING THE DRUGS THAT ENABLED

594
00:15:47,633 --> 00:15:48,866
OUR GOVERNMENT TO EFFECTIVELY

595
00:15:48,933 --> 00:15:49,833
DROWN AT LEAST 13 PEOPLE WHILE

596
00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:50,433
THEY WERE STRAPPED TO A TABLE.

597
00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:51,366
I DON'T KNOW.

598
00:15:51,433 --> 00:15:52,400
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM

599
00:15:52,466 --> 00:15:54,233
REPEATEDLY FOR COMMENT ON THIS

600
00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:55,700
STORY, AND THEY'VE IGNORED US.

601
00:15:55,766 --> 00:15:56,733
WHICH IS AN ODD THING TO DO WHEN

602
00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,833
SOMEONE'S ACCUSING YOU OF MAKING

603
00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:00,000
EXECUTION DRUGS.

604
00:16:00,066 --> 00:16:02,133
BUT EVEN IF THEY ARE HAPPY TO

605
00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,266
KEEP DOING THIS, IT'S NOT CLEAR

606
00:16:03,333 --> 00:16:05,066
WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

607
00:16:05,133 --> 00:16:06,566
BECAUSE UNDER THE LAW, COMPANIES

608
00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:08,300
THAT MAKE DRUGS NEED TO BE

609
00:16:08,366 --> 00:16:10,333
REGISTERED WITH THE FDA.

610
00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:11,400
AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION

611
00:16:11,466 --> 00:16:12,700
CLAIMED, BEFORE THE EXECUTIONS,

612
00:16:12,766 --> 00:16:13,600
THAT ITS SUPPLIER WAS "PROPERLY

613
00:16:13,666 --> 00:16:14,900
REGISTERED."

614
00:16:14,966 --> 00:16:16,566
BUT REMEMBER, ABSOLUTE STANDARDS

615
00:16:16,633 --> 00:16:17,133
DOESN'T MAKE DRUGS FOR HUMAN

616
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,200
CONSUMPTION.

617
00:16:19,266 --> 00:16:21,566
SO WE FILED ANOTHER FOIA REQUEST

618
00:16:21,666 --> 00:16:24,000
WITH THE FDA, ASKING FOR RECORDS

619
00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:25,500
THEY HAD RELATED TO ABSOLUTE

620
00:16:25,566 --> 00:16:26,366
STANDARDS, AND THEY RESPONDED BY

621
00:16:26,433 --> 00:16:27,833
SAYING THEY WERE "UNABLE TO

622
00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:29,933
LOCATE ANY RECORDS RESPONSIVE TO

623
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,800
YOUR REQUEST," AND "THE FIRM HAS

624
00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:33,733
NOT BEEN INSPECTED BY THE FDA."

625
00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,900
WHICH IS BASICALLY GOVERNMENT

626
00:16:35,966 --> 00:16:36,466
JARGON FOR "WHO THE FUCK IS

627
00:16:36,533 --> 00:16:38,266
ABSOLUTE STANDARDS AND WHAT ON

628
00:16:38,333 --> 00:16:39,100
EARTH ARE YOU ASKING US ABOUT?"

629
00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:42,300
SO ABSOLUTE STANDARDS AREN'T

630
00:16:42,366 --> 00:16:44,933
JUST MAKING EXECUTION DRUGS, I'D

631
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:45,433
ARGUE, THEY'RE DOING SO

632
00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:46,966
ILLEGALLY.

633
00:16:47,033 --> 00:16:47,600
AND IT TURNS OUT, IT'S NOT JUST

634
00:16:47,665 --> 00:16:49,000
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S

635
00:16:49,066 --> 00:16:50,133
BEEN BUYING DRUGS FROM THEM.

636
00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:51,433
BECAUSE WHEN THE TRUMP

637
00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:52,833
ADMINISTRATION RESTARTED FEDERAL

638
00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:54,233
EXECUTIONS, ARIZONA'S AG, MARK

639
00:16:54,333 --> 00:16:55,966
BRNOVICH, ASKED THEM FOR HELP,

640
00:16:56,066 --> 00:16:58,233
AND HIS STATE WOUND UP SPENDING

641
00:16:58,300 --> 00:16:59,933
AN INCREDIBLE $1.5 MILLION OF

642
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,800
TAX PAYER MONEY TO HAVE 1,000

643
00:17:01,866 --> 00:17:03,133
VIALS OF PENTOBARBITAL

644
00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:03,833
DELIVERED...

645
00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:06,133
IN "UNMARKED JARS AND BOXES."

646
00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:07,500
THE OFFICIAL PACKAGING OF

647
00:17:07,566 --> 00:17:08,532
"THINGS YOU SHOULDN'T BE

648
00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,500
SHIPPING."

649
00:17:11,566 --> 00:17:12,933
AND I GET WANTING SECRECY, BUT

650
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,433
YOU'VE GOTTA PUT "SOMETHING" ON

651
00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:15,032
THOSE JARS TO WARN PEOPLE THEY

652
00:17:15,099 --> 00:17:17,800
MIGHT BE DANGEROUS.

653
00:17:17,866 --> 00:17:18,700
AT LEAST SLAP ON A STICKER LIKE

654
00:17:18,766 --> 00:17:20,099
A BUNNY WITH CROSSED OUT EYES OR

655
00:17:20,165 --> 00:17:22,665
A WEIRDLY BUFF MICHAEL CERA.

656
00:17:22,733 --> 00:17:23,500
SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU GO, "I

657
00:17:23,566 --> 00:17:25,000
DON'T TRUST WHAT'S IN THIS

658
00:17:25,066 --> 00:17:27,965
THING."

659
00:17:28,066 --> 00:17:29,966
AND OUR SOURCE TOLD US THAT THE

660
00:17:30,033 --> 00:17:31,100
SUPPLIER IN THAT INSTANCE WAS,

661
00:17:31,166 --> 00:17:32,800
AGAIN, ABSOLUTE STANDARDS.

662
00:17:32,866 --> 00:17:33,600
WHICH, FOR ALL WE KNOW, COULD

663
00:17:33,666 --> 00:17:35,133
WELL STILL BE SELLING THOSE

664
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:35,733
DRUGS TO ANY STATE THAT WANTS

665
00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,800
THEM.

666
00:17:36,866 --> 00:17:38,533
AND IF THOSE UNMARKED JARS DID

667
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:39,733
COME FROM A COMPANY WITHOUT FDA

668
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,133
APPROVAL, WHICH THEY DID, IT

669
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,200
SORT OF CALLS INTO QUESTION A

670
00:17:44,266 --> 00:17:45,966
PROMISE THAT BRNOVICH MADE THE

671
00:17:46,033 --> 00:17:47,400
LAST TIME HIS STATE WAS CAUGHT

672
00:17:47,466 --> 00:17:48,333
BUYING DRUGS FROM QUESTIONABLE

673
00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,000
SOURCES, EIGHT YEARS AND ONE

674
00:17:50,066 --> 00:17:51,966
BEARD AGO.

675
00:17:52,033 --> 00:17:53,200
>> ALL I CAN ASSURE YOU IS THAT

676
00:17:53,266 --> 00:17:54,833
AS LONG AS I'M ATTORNEY GENERAL,

677
00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:56,200
WE WILL FOLLOW ALL STATE AND

678
00:17:56,266 --> 00:17:57,866
FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND ALL

679
00:17:57,933 --> 00:17:59,200
STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS WHEN IT

680
00:17:59,266 --> 00:18:01,466
COMES TO OBTAINING AND USING THE

681
00:18:01,566 --> 00:18:03,100
DRUGS IN THE EXECUTIONS HERE IN

682
00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:04,500
ARIZONA.

683
00:18:04,566 --> 00:18:05,133
>> John: YEAH, BUT IT TURNS OUT,

684
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,200
MAYBE NOT.

685
00:18:06,266 --> 00:18:07,466
AND AS LONG AS HE WAS MAKING

686
00:18:07,533 --> 00:18:08,966
PROMISES HE WASN'T GOING TO

687
00:18:09,033 --> 00:18:10,233
KEEP, HE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE

688
00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:10,800
ADDED: I CAN ALSO ASSURE YOU

689
00:18:10,866 --> 00:18:12,133
THAT I WILL NEVER GROW A BEARD

690
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,200
THAT MAKES ME LOOK LIKE TED

691
00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:17,166
CRUZ'S LESS HOT COUSIN."

692
00:18:17,233 --> 00:18:18,466
NOW, BRNOVICH MAINTAINS ARIZONA

693
00:18:18,533 --> 00:18:19,866
DIDN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW DRUG LAWS,

694
00:18:19,933 --> 00:18:20,666
BECAUSE THE DOJ ISSUED A LEGAL

695
00:18:20,733 --> 00:18:23,666
OPINION THAT THE FDA HAS NO

696
00:18:23,733 --> 00:18:25,966
JURISDICTION OVER DRUGS INTENDED

697
00:18:26,033 --> 00:18:27,566
FOR USE IN LAWFUL EXECUTIONS.

698
00:18:27,633 --> 00:18:28,366
AND IT IS TRUE THAT, DURING THE

699
00:18:28,433 --> 00:18:30,133
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, UNDER BILL

700
00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:30,700
BARR, THE DOJ DID WRITE THAT

701
00:18:30,766 --> 00:18:32,433
OPINION.

702
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:33,066
AND THAT MEMO PROHIBITS THE FDA

703
00:18:33,133 --> 00:18:34,433
FROM TAKING ACTION AGAINST A

704
00:18:34,533 --> 00:18:35,066
COMPANY MAKING UNREGULATED DRUGS

705
00:18:35,166 --> 00:18:40,366
FOR EXECUTIONS.

706
00:18:40,433 --> 00:18:41,500
BUT THE FEDERAL APPEALS COURT IN

707
00:18:41,566 --> 00:18:43,133
D.C. HAS REPEATEDLY RULED, BOTH

708
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,666
BEFORE AND AFTER THAT MEMO WAS

709
00:18:44,733 --> 00:18:46,633
WRITTEN, THAT DRUG LAWS STILL

710
00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:48,500
APPLY WHEN THEY'RE USED FOR

711
00:18:48,566 --> 00:18:49,533
LETHAL INJECTIONS.

712
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,533
MEANING THEY ESSENTIALLY FOUND

713
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,433
THE CENTRAL ARGUMENT OF BARR'S

714
00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:55,466
MEMO TO BE HORSESHIT.

715
00:18:55,533 --> 00:18:57,066
WHICH MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE THINK

716
00:18:57,133 --> 00:18:58,600
ABOUT WHAT BRNOVICH AND BARR ARE

717
00:18:58,666 --> 00:18:58,833
ARGUING.

718
00:18:58,900 --> 00:18:59,633
THEY'RE SAYING THAT A COMPANY

719
00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:04,066
THAT WOULDN'T BE QUALIFIED TO

720
00:19:04,133 --> 00:19:04,700
MAKE DRUGS TO EUTHANIZE ANIMALS

721
00:19:04,766 --> 00:19:05,300
IS PERFECTLY QUALIFIED TO MAKE

722
00:19:05,366 --> 00:19:06,533
DRUGS TO KILL HUMAN BEINGS.

723
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,966
IT'S A PRETTY EMBARRASSING

724
00:19:08,066 --> 00:19:08,600
ARGUMENT FOR A STATE AG TO EVEN

725
00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:09,966
TRY TO MAKE.

726
00:19:10,033 --> 00:19:11,033
ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY -- IT'S NOT

727
00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:12,166
THE MOST EMBARRASSING THING HE'S

728
00:19:12,233 --> 00:19:14,233
EVER DONE, CONSIDERING HE'S ALSO

729
00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:16,500
A SELF-DESCRIBED NUNCHUCK

730
00:19:16,566 --> 00:19:18,566
ENTHUSIAST WHO ONCE DID THIS.

731
00:19:18,633 --> 00:19:19,466
>> IT'S ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL

732
00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:20,800
MARK BRNOVICH.

733
00:19:20,866 --> 00:19:21,500
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF CALLS, A

734
00:19:21,566 --> 00:19:23,033
LOT OF EMAILS.

735
00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:23,833
BUT THERE'S ONE THING PEOPLE

736
00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:25,833
DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE.

737
00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:28,033
THEY WANT TO SEE MORE CHUCKS.

738
00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:30,600
SO PEOPLE, YOU WANT MORE CHUCKS?

739
00:19:30,666 --> 00:19:37,666
YOU GOT MORE CHUCKS!

740
00:19:39,366 --> 00:19:42,366
[LAUGHTER]

741
00:19:42,466 --> 00:19:44,800
[APPLAUSE]

742
00:19:44,866 --> 00:19:47,900
>> John: COOL.

743
00:19:47,966 --> 00:19:49,166
THOUGH, JUST TO BE CLEAR: AT NO

744
00:19:49,233 --> 00:19:50,133
POINT DID I SAY I WANTED MORE

745
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,066
CHUCKS.

746
00:19:52,133 --> 00:19:52,866
AND I'VE NEVER HOPED SO HARD

747
00:19:52,933 --> 00:19:54,000
THAT SOMEONE WAS ABOUT TO

748
00:19:54,066 --> 00:19:55,233
ACCIDENTALLY CHUCK THEMSELVES IN

749
00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:56,866
THE DICK.

750
00:19:56,933 --> 00:19:58,433
NOW, THANKFULLY, ARIZONA'S

751
00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:00,200
CURRENT GOVERNOR HAS PAUSED

752
00:20:00,266 --> 00:20:01,533
EXECUTIONS THERE, PENDING A

753
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:02,233
REVIEW OF THE TRANSPARENCY,

754
00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:03,433
ACCOUNTABILITY, AND SAFETY OF

755
00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:04,966
THE EXECUTION PROCESS.

756
00:20:05,033 --> 00:20:06,933
AND LET ME JUST SAY, GOVERNOR: I

757
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,333
HAVE SOME NOTES ON WHERE YOU

758
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:08,866
MIGHT WANT TO BEGIN ASKING

759
00:20:08,933 --> 00:20:10,633
QUESTIONS!

760
00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:12,100
IT'S RIGHT HERE ON GOOGLE MAPS.

761
00:20:12,166 --> 00:20:13,500
IF YOU HIT THE CHEESE

762
00:20:13,566 --> 00:20:14,100
MANUFACTURER, YOU'VE GONE TOO

763
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,466
FAR.

764
00:20:15,566 --> 00:20:16,800
ALSO, IF YOU WORK AT ABSOLUTE

765
00:20:16,866 --> 00:20:17,933
STANDARDS, YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR,

766
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,833
BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

767
00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:20,966
BUT THE TRUTH IS, EVEN IF WE

768
00:20:21,033 --> 00:20:22,100
SHUT DOWN THE USE OF

769
00:20:22,166 --> 00:20:26,366
PENTOBARBITAL, IT WON'T STOP

770
00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:26,933
EXECUTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY.

771
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,400
BECAUSE ELECTED LEADERS SEEM

772
00:20:28,466 --> 00:20:29,433
HELLBENT ON GETTING IT DONE.

773
00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:30,266
IN SOUTH CAROLINA, WHERE YOU SAW

774
00:20:30,333 --> 00:20:31,366
THE GOVERNOR BEMOANING THEIR

775
00:20:31,433 --> 00:20:32,866
DIFFICULTY IN SOURCING EXECUTION

776
00:20:32,933 --> 00:20:34,600
DRUGS, HIS OUTFIT DOPPELGANGER,

777
00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:36,133
THE HEAD OF THEIR PRISON SYSTEM,

778
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,566
AT ONE POINT NOTED THAT THEY

779
00:20:37,633 --> 00:20:39,700
COULD JUST FALL BACK ON THE

780
00:20:39,766 --> 00:20:41,033
ELECTRIC CHAIR INSTEAD.

781
00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:42,733
AND JUST WATCH AS A LOCAL

782
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,666
INTERVIEWER STARTS SPITBALLING

783
00:20:43,733 --> 00:20:45,733
OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR HIM AS

784
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,366
WELL.

785
00:20:47,466 --> 00:20:49,233
>> IF LETHAL INJECTION IS NOT

786
00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:49,833
AVAILABLE, THEN IT DEFAULTS TO

787
00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:50,866
THE ELECTRIC CHAIR.

788
00:20:50,933 --> 00:20:51,700
>> AND WHY NOT?

789
00:20:51,766 --> 00:20:52,733
LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S -- IT'S --

790
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,000
EVEN FENTANYL, I MEAN, THAT

791
00:20:54,066 --> 00:20:55,233
STUFF'S JUST BEEN -- BEEN SUCH A

792
00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:56,500
HORRIBLE DRUG FOR SO MANY PEOPLE

793
00:20:56,566 --> 00:20:58,900
AND IT OBVIOUSLY IS VERY WIDELY

794
00:20:58,966 --> 00:21:00,266
AVAILABLE BUT EVEN SOMETHING

795
00:21:00,333 --> 00:21:01,333
LIKE THAT YOU COULDN'T GET?

796
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,333
>> NO ONE WOULD SELL IT TO US.

797
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,400
WE -- ANY TIME WE HAVE A

798
00:21:03,466 --> 00:21:04,833
CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE ABOUT

799
00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:05,933
TRYING TO FIND IT, TRYING TO

800
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,366
COMPOUND IT, PEOPLE JUST SAY,

801
00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:08,000
"WELL, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE IT TO

802
00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:09,000
YOU FOR THAT."

803
00:21:09,066 --> 00:21:09,900
>> CAN YOU GUYS TAKE IT FROM

804
00:21:09,966 --> 00:21:11,500
EVIDENCE OVER AT ONE OF THESE

805
00:21:11,566 --> 00:21:12,500
COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE?

806
00:21:12,566 --> 00:21:13,066
WOULD THAT REQUIRE AN ACT OF

807
00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:13,233
LAW?

808
00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:14,400
>> THERE -- THERE'D BE A --

809
00:21:14,466 --> 00:21:15,366
THERE'D BE A CONSTITUTIONAL

810
00:21:15,433 --> 00:21:17,600
CLAIM THERE AND THAT'S JUST TOO

811
00:21:17,666 --> 00:21:19,066
DAN -- YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

812
00:21:19,133 --> 00:21:25,200
>> John: WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

813
00:21:25,266 --> 00:21:26,933
HONESTLY, A PART OF ME WISHES

814
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,300
HE'D JUST KEPT THROWING OUT

815
00:21:28,366 --> 00:21:29,733
IDEAS TO KILL PEOPLE: OKAY, SO

816
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,400
IF WE CAN'T GET FENTANYL, COULD

817
00:21:31,466 --> 00:21:32,433
WE SPRINKLE PRISONERS WITH

818
00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:32,666
ANTHRAX?

819
00:21:32,733 --> 00:21:33,266
WHAT ABOUT THROWING A BUNCH OF

820
00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:33,766
POISONOUS TOADS AT THEM?

821
00:21:33,833 --> 00:21:34,400
WHAT IF WE DROPPED THEM INTO THE

822
00:21:34,466 --> 00:21:35,000
HIPPO POOL AT THE ZOO AND JUST

823
00:21:35,066 --> 00:21:35,633
LET THE HIPPOS TAKE CARE OF IT?

824
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:36,100
OR, Y'KNOW WHAT?

825
00:21:36,166 --> 00:21:40,366
WHAT ABOUT GIBBETING?"

826
00:21:40,433 --> 00:21:44,100
I HEAR THAT'S REALLY GOOD.

827
00:21:44,166 --> 00:21:44,733
BUT THE SOLUTION SOME STATES ARE

828
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,366
INCREASINGLY LOOKING AT INVOLVES

829
00:21:45,433 --> 00:21:45,966
SUFFOCATING PRISONERS TO DEATH

830
00:21:46,033 --> 00:21:46,400
USING NITROGEN GAS.

831
00:21:46,466 --> 00:21:47,033
SOMETHING, LIKE MOST EXECUTION

832
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:47,833
PROCEDURES, THAT WASN'T

833
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:49,566
DEVELOPED BY MEDICAL

834
00:21:49,633 --> 00:21:51,033
PROFESSIONALS, BUT ORIGINATED

835
00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:53,566
WITH A BUNCH OF AMATEUR DEATH

836
00:21:53,666 --> 00:21:55,500
ENTHUSIASTS, FIRST FINDING ITS

837
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,300
WAY INTO U.S. LAW A FEW YEARS

838
00:21:56,366 --> 00:21:57,733
BACK, AFTER THIS OKLAHOMA STATE

839
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:03,066
LEGISLATOR "WATCHED A BBC

840
00:22:03,133 --> 00:22:05,333
DOCUMENTARY CALLED "HOW TO KILL

841
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:05,866
A HUMAN BEING" IN WHICH A

842
00:22:05,933 --> 00:22:06,400
RETIRED MEMBER OF BRITISH

843
00:22:06,466 --> 00:22:07,166
PARLIAMENT SAMPLED VARIOUS

844
00:22:07,233 --> 00:22:08,633
EXECUTION PROTOCOLS" BEFORE

845
00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:09,700
"DECIDING THAT NITROGEN WAS THE

846
00:22:09,766 --> 00:22:11,266
PERFECT KILLING DEVICE."

847
00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:13,100
AND LOOK, THERE ARE LOTS OF TV

848
00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:14,100
PROGRAMS YOU CAN LEARN FROM --

849
00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:15,933
"BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY" CAN

850
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,033
TEACH YOU ABOUT SCIENCE, "THE

851
00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:18,066
KITCHEN" CAN TEACH YOU ABOUT

852
00:22:18,133 --> 00:22:19,233
COOKING, AND "PROPERTY BROTHERS"

853
00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,366
CAN TEACH YOU HOW TO RENOVATE A

854
00:22:21,433 --> 00:22:22,433
HOUSE WITH YOUR TWIN BROTHER WHO

855
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:23,700
YOU'VE DEFINITELY FUCKED.

856
00:22:23,766 --> 00:22:25,533
BUT LAWMAKERS SHOULDN'T BE

857
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,800
LEARNING HOW TO PERFORM

858
00:22:26,866 --> 00:22:28,933
EXECUTIONS FROM ONE.

859
00:22:29,033 --> 00:22:31,100
THAT LEGISLATOR THEN CALLED IN

860
00:22:31,166 --> 00:22:33,400
THIS GUY, A HIGH SCHOOL FRIEND

861
00:22:33,466 --> 00:22:34,966
AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROFESSOR,

862
00:22:35,033 --> 00:22:36,066
WHO PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION

863
00:22:36,133 --> 00:22:37,166
FOR THE LEGISLATURE, IN WHICH HE

864
00:22:37,233 --> 00:22:38,266
TRIED TO PROVE THE METHOD WAS

865
00:22:38,333 --> 00:22:39,600
PAINLESS, BY -- FOR SOME REASON

866
00:22:39,666 --> 00:22:41,400
-- PLAYING YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF

867
00:22:41,466 --> 00:22:42,466
KIDS PASSING OUT FROM BREATHING

868
00:22:42,533 --> 00:22:44,366
HELIUM.

869
00:22:44,433 --> 00:22:48,000
>> SO, THIS IS A TEENAGER THAT

870
00:22:48,066 --> 00:22:50,366
IS BREATHING HELIUM TO MAKE

871
00:22:50,433 --> 00:22:52,400
THEIR VOICE SOUND FUNNY.

872
00:22:52,466 --> 00:22:54,100
BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY THINKING

873
00:22:54,166 --> 00:22:55,300
OF IT, WHEN THEY'RE BREATHING

874
00:22:55,366 --> 00:22:55,900
HELIUM, THEY'RE NOT BREATHING

875
00:22:55,966 --> 00:22:56,833
OXYGEN.

876
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:58,533
AND SO, SHE'S TRYING TO GET AS

877
00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,166
BIG A BREATH AS SHE CAN, AND IN

878
00:22:59,233 --> 00:23:06,233
A SECOND, SHE BECOMES HYPOXIC.

879
00:23:17,633 --> 00:23:18,833
SO, THEN THEY GET BACK UP AND

880
00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:20,800
THEY'RE GIGGLING AND LAUGHING.

881
00:23:20,866 --> 00:23:22,333
>> John: NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S

882
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,500
A LOT WRONG WITH THAT.

883
00:23:23,566 --> 00:23:23,966
FOR STARTERS, THEY'RE

884
00:23:24,033 --> 00:23:25,900
"VOLUNTARILY" DEPRIVING

885
00:23:25,966 --> 00:23:27,800
THEMSELVES OF OXYGEN, NOT TRYING

886
00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:28,333
TO RESIST, WHICH IS WHAT'D

887
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,233
LIKELY HAPPEN DURING AN

888
00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:29,600
EXECUTION.

889
00:23:29,666 --> 00:23:30,233
SO YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE THE

890
00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:32,400
TWO SCENARIOS.

891
00:23:32,466 --> 00:23:32,966
BUT SINCE OKLAHOMA LAWMAKERS

892
00:23:33,033 --> 00:23:33,966
SEEM TO RESPOND WELL TO VIDEOS

893
00:23:34,066 --> 00:23:35,466
OF PEOPLE ON HELIUM, ALLOW ME TO

894
00:23:35,566 --> 00:23:38,566
ADDRESS THEM DIRECTLY TO DELIVER

895
00:23:38,633 --> 00:23:39,900
AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT THAT

896
00:23:39,966 --> 00:23:42,900
CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROFESSOR...

897
00:23:42,966 --> 00:23:45,700
HERE IT GOES.

898
00:23:45,766 --> 00:23:46,433
FUCK THAT GUY, AND HIS FUCKING

899
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:47,933
YOUTUBE VIDEOS!

900
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,833
STOP LISTENING TO A MAN WHO

901
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:53,066
DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING

902
00:23:53,133 --> 00:23:56,833
ABOUT, YOU IDIOTS!

903
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:58,466
[LAUGHTER AND CHEERING]

904
00:23:58,533 --> 00:23:59,600
AND I'LL POINT OUT, BOTH THAT

905
00:23:59,666 --> 00:24:01,133
EXPERT AND THE LEGISLATOR WHO

906
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,100
BROUGHT HIM IN, LACKED WHAT

907
00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:03,333
YOU'D THINK WOULD BE A PRETTY

908
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,166
RELEVANT BIT OF EXPERIENCE.

909
00:24:05,233 --> 00:24:06,100
>> HAVE YOU EVER PERSONALLY SEEN

910
00:24:06,166 --> 00:24:06,800
AN EXECUTION?

911
00:24:06,866 --> 00:24:07,833
>> NO.

912
00:24:07,933 --> 00:24:09,600
>> NO.

913
00:24:09,666 --> 00:24:10,166
I'M WONDERING, HAVE YOU EVER

914
00:24:10,233 --> 00:24:10,900
BEEN TO AN EXECUTION?

915
00:24:10,966 --> 00:24:11,900
>> NEVER HAVE, AND NEVER -- I

916
00:24:11,966 --> 00:24:13,133
DON'T WISH TO.

917
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,666
>> WHY IS THAT?

918
00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:16,233
>> I JUST -- IT'S NOT MY --

919
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:17,366
PROBABLY -- IT'S PROBABLY

920
00:24:17,433 --> 00:24:18,266
SOMETHING I PROBABLY SHOULD, BUT

921
00:24:18,333 --> 00:24:19,933
I HAVE NO WISH OR DESIRE TO --

922
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,933
TO WITNESS -- WITNESS ONE.

923
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,266
>> John: NO?

924
00:24:24,333 --> 00:24:24,866
A REALLY?

925
00:24:24,933 --> 00:24:25,300
WHY NOT, MIKE?

926
00:24:25,366 --> 00:24:25,900
BECAUSE KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN

927
00:24:25,966 --> 00:24:26,700
BEING IS AN ACT OF BRUTALITY

928
00:24:26,766 --> 00:24:27,266
THAT'S HARROWING TO WITNESS?

929
00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:27,833
BECAUSE BEING PRESENT MIGHT

930
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:28,366
IMPRESS ON YOU THE HIDEOUS

931
00:24:28,433 --> 00:24:31,600
GRAVITY OF THE POWER YOU'VE

932
00:24:31,666 --> 00:24:31,966
GIVEN YOURSELF?

933
00:24:32,033 --> 00:24:32,466
OR WERE YOU JUST LIKE...

934
00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:33,833
SUPER BUSY ON THE DAY THEY WERE

935
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:35,466
DOING IT?

936
00:24:35,533 --> 00:24:36,500
AND LOOK, IF THEY'D CONSULTED AN

937
00:24:36,566 --> 00:24:37,833
ACTUAL EXPERT, THEY MIGHT'VE

938
00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:38,933
LEARNED THAT EVEN ANIMAL WELFARE

939
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,566
GUIDELINES NO LONGER ALLOW PETS

940
00:24:40,666 --> 00:24:42,400
TO BE PUT DOWN WITH NITROGEN GAS

941
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:43,666
BECAUSE DOGS WERE OBSERVED

942
00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:44,233
"YELPING, GASPING, AND

943
00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:46,600
CONVULSING."

944
00:24:46,666 --> 00:24:47,500
NEVERTHELESS, LEGISLATORS IN

945
00:24:47,566 --> 00:24:48,733
OKLAHOMA VOTED TO ALLOW NITROGEN

946
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,066
GAS EXECUTIONS.

947
00:24:50,133 --> 00:24:51,500
APPARENTLY, DURING THE DEBATE

948
00:24:51,566 --> 00:24:52,933
OVER IT, THERE WERE A FEW

949
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,500
HOLDOUTS -- BUT ONLY BECAUSE

950
00:24:54,566 --> 00:24:56,966
THEY DIDN'T WANT THE INMATE TO

951
00:24:57,033 --> 00:24:57,533
FEEL GOOD WHILE DYING, THEY

952
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,200
WANTED PAIN.

953
00:24:59,266 --> 00:25:00,733
AND SINCE OKLAHOMA'S DECISION,

954
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,266
MULTIPLE OTHER STATES HAVE

955
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:03,166
PASSED SIMILAR LAWS.

956
00:25:03,233 --> 00:25:04,133
AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, ALABAMA

957
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,300
PERFORMED THE VERY FIRST

958
00:25:05,366 --> 00:25:06,733
NITROGEN GAS EXECUTION.

959
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,766
WHICH WAS, BY ALL ACCOUNTS,

960
00:25:07,833 --> 00:25:09,800
ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC.

961
00:25:09,866 --> 00:25:11,433
ONE WITNESS DESCRIBED THE MAN

962
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:12,166
WHO DIED AS "SOMEONE STRUGGLING

963
00:25:12,233 --> 00:25:12,966
FOR THEIR LIFE."

964
00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:14,700
AND ANOTHER, WHO'D SEEN FIVE

965
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,666
EXECUTIONS, SAID IT WAS

966
00:25:15,733 --> 00:25:17,066
"DEFINITELY THE MOST VIOLENT

967
00:25:17,133 --> 00:25:17,866
EXECUTION THAT I'VE EVER

968
00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,433
WITNESSED."

969
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:20,666
ALL OF WHICH MAKES IT PRETTY

970
00:25:20,733 --> 00:25:21,900
GALLING THAT AFTERWARD, THE

971
00:25:21,966 --> 00:25:23,800
STATE'S AG TOOK THIS VICTORY

972
00:25:23,866 --> 00:25:25,633
LAP, WHILE THANKING HIS WHOLE

973
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:26,566
EXECUTION TEAM.

974
00:25:26,633 --> 00:25:27,900
>> EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS

975
00:25:27,966 --> 00:25:29,900
THEY ARE THE FIRST TEAM IN THE

976
00:25:29,966 --> 00:25:31,800
COUNTRY TO CARRY OUT NITROGEN

977
00:25:31,866 --> 00:25:33,866
EXECUTION, AND WHAT OCCURRED

978
00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:35,433
LAST NIGHT WAS TEXTBOOK.

979
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:36,666
THEY DESERVE A GREAT DEAL OF

980
00:25:36,733 --> 00:25:39,033
THANKS AND CREDIT FOR BEING

981
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:40,200
WILLING TO BE THE ONE TO STEP

982
00:25:40,266 --> 00:25:43,533
UP, FIRST IN THE COUNTRY TO DO

983
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,100
SO, AND I NOW SUSPECT THAT MANY

984
00:25:45,166 --> 00:25:47,966
STATES WILL FOLLOW.

985
00:25:48,066 --> 00:25:49,500
AS OF LAST NIGHT, NITROGEN

986
00:25:49,566 --> 00:25:51,033
HYPOXIA AS A MEANS OF EXECUTION

987
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,366
IS NO LONGER AN UNTESTED METHOD,

988
00:25:53,433 --> 00:25:54,800
IT IS A PROVEN ONE.

989
00:25:54,866 --> 00:25:55,400
>> John: YEAH, HE CALLED IT A

990
00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:57,233
TEXTBOOK EXECUTION.

991
00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:57,733
WHICH I'D CALL "TEXTBOOK

992
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,100
BULLSHIT."

993
00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:01,700
AND BY THE WAY, ALABAMA -- DO

994
00:26:01,766 --> 00:26:04,133
YOU EVER GET TIRED OF BEING

995
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,833
TRAILBLAZERS IN ALL THE WORST

996
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:06,966
WAYS?

997
00:26:07,033 --> 00:26:07,933
YOUR STATE HISTORY IS JUST BRAVE

998
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,500
ALABAMA CITIZENS PROTESTING, AS

999
00:26:09,566 --> 00:26:10,866
YOUR LEADERS ARE THE LAST TO DO

1000
00:26:10,933 --> 00:26:11,933
SOMETHING GOOD, OR THE FIRST TO

1001
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,200
DO SOMETHING TERRIBLE.

1002
00:26:14,266 --> 00:26:15,600
AND LOOK, IT SEEMS AMERICA'S

1003
00:26:15,666 --> 00:26:17,300
GOING TO KEEP INNOVATING WAYS TO

1004
00:26:17,366 --> 00:26:18,900
KILL PEOPLE, AND DRAWING A VEIL

1005
00:26:18,966 --> 00:26:19,966
AROUND IT TO PROTECT ANYONE

1006
00:26:20,066 --> 00:26:21,100
INVOLVED.

1007
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,466
BUT ON SOME LEVEL, ALL THIS

1008
00:26:22,533 --> 00:26:24,000
SECRECY IS ALSO MEANT TO PROTECT

1009
00:26:24,066 --> 00:26:25,966
US -- THE PEOPLE IN WHOSE NAME

1010
00:26:26,033 --> 00:26:27,133
IT'S DONE -- FROM CONFRONTING

1011
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,300
THE HORROR OF WHAT THE DEATH

1012
00:26:28,366 --> 00:26:29,533
PENALTY TRULY IS.

1013
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,266
BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S NITROGEN

1014
00:26:31,333 --> 00:26:32,866
GAS OR AN IV INJECTION OF DRUGS

1015
00:26:32,933 --> 00:26:34,400
OR A FIRING SQUAD OR AN ELECTRIC

1016
00:26:34,466 --> 00:26:36,033
CHAIR OR BEING "PRESSED WITH

1017
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,866
WEIGHTS," IT'S ALL BRUTAL.

1018
00:26:38,933 --> 00:26:40,100
AND TO THEIR CREDIT, SOME

1019
00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:41,866
LAWMAKERS WILL ADMIT THIS.

1020
00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:43,833
WHEN IDAHO WAS DEBATING WHETHER

1021
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:45,633
IT SHOULD HAVE A SHIELD LAW FOR

1022
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:47,000
SUPPLIERS OF ITS DEATH PENALTY

1023
00:26:47,066 --> 00:26:48,233
DRUGS, ONE STATE SENATOR SUMMED

1024
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:49,600
IT ALL UP PRETTY WELL.

1025
00:26:49,666 --> 00:26:51,466
>> THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL

1026
00:26:51,533 --> 00:26:54,000
CONTRADICTION AT WORK HERE.

1027
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:55,933
LETHAL INJECTION, I BELIEVE, IS

1028
00:26:56,033 --> 00:26:59,466
SOLD TO THE PUBLIC AS HUMANE.

1029
00:26:59,533 --> 00:27:00,000
AND YET, THE SECRECY THAT

1030
00:27:00,066 --> 00:27:02,666
BECOMES NECESSARY IN ORDER TO

1031
00:27:02,733 --> 00:27:04,666
ACTUALLY GET AND USE THE DRUGS

1032
00:27:04,733 --> 00:27:06,633
MANDATES THAT THE PUBLIC LIKE --

1033
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:07,166
PUBLIC CAN'T INDEPENDENTLY

1034
00:27:07,233 --> 00:27:09,600
CONFIRM THAT IT IS, IN FACT,

1035
00:27:09,666 --> 00:27:11,333
HUMANE.

1036
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:11,900
AND THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF

1037
00:27:11,966 --> 00:27:14,266
EVIDENCE TO INDICATE THAT, IN AT

1038
00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:16,100
LEAST SOME CASES, IT IS NOT.

1039
00:27:16,166 --> 00:27:17,200
I THINK LETHAL INJECTION IS A

1040
00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:19,600
LIE.

1041
00:27:19,666 --> 00:27:21,166
IT IS AS IF WE ARE SELLING THE

1042
00:27:21,233 --> 00:27:23,133
IDEA THAT THIS IS JUST PUTTING

1043
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,766
YOUR PET TO SLEEP, THAT'S NOT

1044
00:27:24,833 --> 00:27:26,333
WHAT IT IS.

1045
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,133
AND THEN IN ORDER TO PERPETUATE

1046
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,766
THAT LIE, WE HAVE TO LIE AND LIE

1047
00:27:30,833 --> 00:27:31,366
AND LIE AND LIE AND LIE AGAIN.

1048
00:27:31,433 --> 00:27:34,333
THIS IS A TERRIBLE POSITION TO

1049
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,333
PUT OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS IN.

1050
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,533
IT'S A TERRIBLE POSITION TO PUT

1051
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,133
THE STATE OF IDAHO IN.

1052
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:42,700
IT'S WRONG, IT'S UNFAIR, IT

1053
00:27:42,766 --> 00:27:44,166
NEEDS TO STOP.

1054
00:27:44,233 --> 00:27:45,633
>> John: HE'S RIGHT.

1055
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:46,300
IT IS, AND IT DOES.

1056
00:27:46,366 --> 00:27:49,666
AND LYING IS ONE OF THE FIRST

1057
00:27:49,733 --> 00:27:50,300
THINGS WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN NOT

1058
00:27:50,366 --> 00:27:51,433
TO DO.

1059
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:52,000
THEN WE TELL THEM THEY'LL BE

1060
00:27:52,066 --> 00:27:53,266
PUNISHED BY THE TOOTH FAIRY

1061
00:27:53,333 --> 00:27:54,133
AND/OR SANTA CLAUS, BUT THAT'S

1062
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,700
TRAUMA THEY CAN WORK OUT LATER.

1063
00:27:56,766 --> 00:27:59,200
THE FACT IS, NO MATTER HOW

1064
00:27:59,266 --> 00:28:00,400
EXECUTIONS ARE PERFORMED,

1065
00:28:00,466 --> 00:28:02,000
THEY'LL NEVER BE HUMANE.

1066
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:02,733
NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU

1067
00:28:02,833 --> 00:28:04,033
CALL THEM "TEXTBOOK," OR CLAIM

1068
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:05,166
IT'S "MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING

1069
00:28:05,233 --> 00:28:07,600
THEY DID TO THE VICTIMS" OR SHOW

1070
00:28:07,666 --> 00:28:08,333
PEOPLE VIRAL VIDEOS OF DIZZY

1071
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,366
TWEENS ON HELIUM, IT'S NEVER

1072
00:28:10,433 --> 00:28:11,300
GOING TO BE OKAY.

1073
00:28:11,366 --> 00:28:12,700
AND WE'RE KIDDING OURSELVES IF

1074
00:28:12,766 --> 00:28:15,133
WE THINK TAKING SOMEONE'S LIFE

1075
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,733
ACTUALLY LOWERS THE NUMBER OF

1076
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,733
KILLERS IN THE WORLD.

1077
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,333
IT LITERALLY, DEFINITIONALLY,

1078
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,600
CREATES MORE.

1079
00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:22,266
AND I KNOW THIS IS USUALLY THE

1080
00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:23,933
POINT WHERE I SAY "SO, WHAT CAN

1081
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,466
WE DO?"

1082
00:28:24,533 --> 00:28:26,900
BUT THE ANSWER IS SO CLEARLY:

1083
00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:28,400
JUST STOP DOING IT!"

1084
00:28:28,466 --> 00:28:29,033
THE FACT IS, AROUND THE COUNTRY,

1085
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:30,200
THERE ARE STILL OVER 2,300

1086
00:28:30,266 --> 00:28:31,166
PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW.

1087
00:28:31,233 --> 00:28:32,233
AND I KNOW, IN SOME CASES,

1088
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:33,866
THEY'RE IN STATES WHERE NO ONE

1089
00:28:33,933 --> 00:28:34,933
IN A POSITION OF POWER WILL PUT

1090
00:28:35,033 --> 00:28:36,066
A STOP TO THEIR EXECUTION.

1091
00:28:36,133 --> 00:28:37,600
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FEDERAL

1092
00:28:37,666 --> 00:28:39,100
PRISONERS, BIDEN COULD, BEFORE

1093
00:28:39,166 --> 00:28:41,900
LEAVING OFFICE, COMMUTE ALL 42

1094
00:28:41,966 --> 00:28:42,433
DEATH SENTENCES TO LIFE IN

1095
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,466
PRISON.

1096
00:28:44,533 --> 00:28:46,133
THAT WAY, EVEN IF TRUMP IS

1097
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,233
REELECTED, HE CAN'T PICK THE

1098
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:48,700
BING-BONG BLOODBATH UP RIGHT

1099
00:28:48,766 --> 00:28:50,900
WHERE HE LEFT OFF.

1100
00:28:50,966 --> 00:28:52,400
BUT BEYOND COMMUTING SENTENCES,

1101
00:28:52,466 --> 00:28:53,033
BIDEN'S ADMINISTRATION COULD DO

1102
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:53,700
MUCH MORE.

1103
00:28:53,766 --> 00:28:54,566
IT COULD INVESTIGATE THE

1104
00:28:54,633 --> 00:28:55,933
LEGALITY OF THE FEDERAL

1105
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,233
GOVERMENT'S DRUG PURCHASES FROM

1106
00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,533
ABSOLUTE STANDARDS AND RESCIND

1107
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,100
THAT BULLSHIT DOJ MEMO THAT

1108
00:29:01,166 --> 00:29:02,633
TRIES TO EXEMPT EXECUTION DRUGS

1109
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:03,300
FROM REGULATION.

1110
00:29:03,366 --> 00:29:05,066
IT COULD ALSO FORCE STATES TO

1111
00:29:05,133 --> 00:29:06,366
SURRENDER THE PENTOBARBITAL

1112
00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:07,800
THEY'VE ACQUIRED FROM AN

1113
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:10,700
UNREGULATED SOURCE.

1114
00:29:10,766 --> 00:29:11,300
AS FOR STATE LEGISLATURES, I'D

1115
00:29:11,366 --> 00:29:11,933
ARGUE THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATING

1116
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,733
SECRECY STATUTES, NOT PASSING

1117
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,066
MORE OF THEM.

1118
00:29:15,133 --> 00:29:16,433
BECAUSE IF THE GOVERNMENT IS

1119
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:17,033
GOING TO GIVE ITSELF THE POWER

1120
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:18,300
TO EXECUTE ITS OWN CITIZENS --

1121
00:29:18,366 --> 00:29:20,200
WHICH, FOR THE FINAL TIME, I

1122
00:29:20,266 --> 00:29:22,600
STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD

1123
00:29:22,666 --> 00:29:23,700
NOT -- THEN I WANT TO SEE WHERE

1124
00:29:23,766 --> 00:29:25,200
THE DRUGS COME FROM, WHO'S

1125
00:29:25,266 --> 00:29:26,033
MAKING THEM, AND RELENTLESS

1126
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:27,200
SCRUTINY OF EVERY PART OF THIS

1127
00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:28,833
PROCESS.

1128
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,133
BECAUSE ALL THIS IS BEING DONE

1129
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:30,766
IN OUR NAME, AND FAR TOO OFTEN,

1130
00:29:30,833 --> 00:29:33,833
IN SECRET.

1131
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:36,366
AND WE SHOULD GET A VOICE TO

1132
00:29:36,433 --> 00:29:38,033
EXPRESS HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THAT.

1133
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:42,300
SPECIFICALLY, THIS VOICE: STOP

1134
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,800
FUCKING KILLING PEOPLE.

1135
00:29:43,866 --> 00:29:46,733
YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES.

1136
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,933
AND NOW THIS.

1137
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,933
>> Announcer: AND NOW,

1138
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,433
A SINCERE THANK YOU TO ESPN FOR

1139
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,300
THEIR SLOW MOTION REPLACED

1140
00:30:00,366 --> 00:30:02,033
DURING THE AMERICAN KENNEL

1141
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,233
CLUB'S FASTEST DOGS USA.

1142
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,066
>> YOU'RE WATCHING THE AMERICAN

1143
00:30:05,133 --> 00:30:07,066
KENNEL CLUB'S FASTEST ON USA

1144
00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:09,066
PART OF OUR DOGS WERE SERIES ON

1145
00:30:09,133 --> 00:30:09,933
ESPN.

1146
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,033
WELCOME, EVERYBODY COMING TO A

1147
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,100
DRAG RACE UNLIKE ANY OTHER.

1148
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,400
[LAUGHTER]

1149
00:30:14,466 --> 00:30:21,466
♪ ♪

1150
00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:06,400
>> John: MOVING ON.

1151
00:31:06,466 --> 00:31:07,000
FINALLY TONIGHT, WE WANTED TO

1152
00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:07,866
TALK ABOUT STOCK PHOTO LIBRARIES

1153
00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:09,266
-- MASSIVE REPOSITORIES OF

1154
00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:12,433
IMAGES YOU CAN LICENSE ON ALMOST

1155
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:13,033
EVERY CONCEPT YOU MIGHT NEED,

1156
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:14,800
FROM THE INCREDIBLY GENERIC,

1157
00:31:14,866 --> 00:31:15,800
LIKE THIS FAMILY PHOTO, TO THE

1158
00:31:15,866 --> 00:31:16,766
INCREDIBLY SPECIFIC, LIKE THIS

1159
00:31:16,833 --> 00:31:18,700
IMAGE OF UNDERWEAR FILLED WITH

1160
00:31:18,766 --> 00:31:19,600
SPAGHETTI THAT SOMEONE,

1161
00:31:19,666 --> 00:31:22,166
SOMEWHERE APPARENTLY NEEDED.

1162
00:31:22,266 --> 00:31:24,533
STOCK PHOTO LIBRARIES ARE YOUR

1163
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,100
ONE STOP SHOP WHEN YOU NEED

1164
00:31:25,166 --> 00:31:26,300
PHOTOS LIKE THIS ONE, OF

1165
00:31:26,366 --> 00:31:27,400
EMPLOYEES HAPPIER THAN ANYONE'S

1166
00:31:27,466 --> 00:31:29,300
EMPLOYEES HAVE EVER BEEN.

1167
00:31:29,366 --> 00:31:31,100
THAT PHOTO, BY THE WAY, IS

1168
00:31:31,166 --> 00:31:32,100
CAPTIONED "HAPPY DIVERSE

1169
00:31:32,166 --> 00:31:33,266
BUSINESS TEAM CELEBRATING

1170
00:31:33,333 --> 00:31:33,800
SUCCESS AND HAVING FUN ALL

1171
00:31:33,866 --> 00:31:34,633
TOGETHER.

1172
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:35,733
GROUP OF CHEERFUL ECSTATIC

1173
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,366
PEOPLE STANDING IN CIRCLE IN

1174
00:31:37,433 --> 00:31:38,766
MODERN OFFICE HIGH FIVE EACH

1175
00:31:38,833 --> 00:31:39,866
OTHER AND SHOUT YES WE DID IT,

1176
00:31:39,933 --> 00:31:42,566
HOORAY."

1177
00:31:42,633 --> 00:31:44,300
STOCK PHOTOS PROVIDE AN INCOME

1178
00:31:44,366 --> 00:31:45,600
STREAM NOT JUST FOR

1179
00:31:45,666 --> 00:31:46,766
PHOTOGRAPHERS, BUT ALSO FOR

1180
00:31:46,833 --> 00:31:48,466
ACTORS STARTING OUT.

1181
00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:49,833
HERE'S PRE-FAME JOHN BOYEGA IN A

1182
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:52,733
STOCK PHOTO PLAYING A STUDENT,

1183
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,700
AND HERE'S SIMU LIU IN A SERIES

1184
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,333
OF THEM -- POINTING AT A LAPTOP,

1185
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,466
LOOKING AT THE CAMERA DURING A

1186
00:31:58,533 --> 00:31:59,933
GROUP PROJECT, AND EXERCISING IN

1187
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,400
A TOTALLY NORMAL,

1188
00:32:01,466 --> 00:32:05,000
NOT-AT-ALL-UNHINGED WAY.

1189
00:32:05,066 --> 00:32:05,866
AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT STOCK

1190
00:32:05,933 --> 00:32:06,466
PHOTOS IS THAT THERE'S ONE FOR

1191
00:32:06,533 --> 00:32:07,266
ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU CAN

1192
00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:07,900
IMAGINE.

1193
00:32:07,966 --> 00:32:09,100
YOU NEED A SAMURAI?

1194
00:32:09,166 --> 00:32:10,233
THERE YOU GO.

1195
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:10,933
YOU NEED A SAMURAI...

1196
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,400
ON A ZOOM CALL?

1197
00:32:12,466 --> 00:32:14,033
THEY'VE GOT THAT COVERED, TOO.

1198
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:14,766
NOW, ON THIS SHOW, WE USE OUR

1199
00:32:14,833 --> 00:32:15,933
OWN STAFF FOR GRAPHICS A LOT OF

1200
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,733
THE TIME.

1201
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,300
THAT DEAD-EYED PARENT AT HER

1202
00:32:19,366 --> 00:32:20,300
KID'S SWIM LESSON?

1203
00:32:20,366 --> 00:32:20,800
THAT'S MEGAN, ONE OF OUR

1204
00:32:20,866 --> 00:32:22,733
PRODUCERS.

1205
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,833
THIS GUY FUCKING A CHEESECAKE?

1206
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:24,600
THAT'S JEREMY, OUR SCRIPT

1207
00:32:24,666 --> 00:32:27,633
SUPERVISOR.

1208
00:32:27,733 --> 00:32:29,133
HE'S BEEN IN A LOT, BY THE WAY,

1209
00:32:29,233 --> 00:32:31,466
AND YOU WILL SEE HIM AGAIN.

1210
00:32:31,533 --> 00:32:32,800
AND WHENEVER THERE'S SOMEONE

1211
00:32:32,866 --> 00:32:34,200
SHITTING ON SOMETHING, THAT'S

1212
00:32:34,266 --> 00:32:36,000
OUR EDITOR, RYAN.

1213
00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:37,533
BUT IF THE GRAPHIC CALLS FOR A

1214
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,366
VERY OLD MAN OR A SUMO WRESTLER

1215
00:32:39,433 --> 00:32:40,966
OR A HEALTHY-LOOKING JOHN OLIVER

1216
00:32:41,033 --> 00:32:42,166
TYPE, WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ONE

1217
00:32:42,233 --> 00:32:44,300
OF THOSE IN HOUSE.

1218
00:32:44,366 --> 00:32:45,233
THAT'S WHEN WE TURN TO STOCK

1219
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:46,733
PHOTOS.

1220
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,933
AND WHILE WE APPRECIATE ALL THE

1221
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,666
PHOTOGRAPHERS AND MODELS WE'VE

1222
00:32:49,733 --> 00:32:50,766
USED OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE ALSO

1223
00:32:50,833 --> 00:32:52,233
DEVELOPED A PARTICULAR FONDNESS

1224
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:53,633
FOR ONE MAN.

1225
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:56,300
THIS GUY, ILGAR PASHAYEV.

1226
00:32:56,366 --> 00:33:03,366
THIS MAN HAS THE "IT" FACTOR,

1227
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:04,333
WHICH IN STOCK MODELING TERMS,

1228
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:04,866
MEANS A WILLINGNESS TO DO

1229
00:33:04,933 --> 00:33:05,500
ANYTHING HE'S ASKED TO, WHETHER

1230
00:33:05,566 --> 00:33:06,133
IT'S WEARING BIG PANTS, WEARING

1231
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:06,766
A SPACE HELMET AT A DESK FOR NO

1232
00:33:06,833 --> 00:33:08,266
CLEAR REASON, OR GETTING INTO A

1233
00:33:08,333 --> 00:33:09,666
SWORDFIGHT WITH DEATH AT A

1234
00:33:09,733 --> 00:33:12,466
WOMAN'S BEDSIDE.

1235
00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:13,700
WE FIRST ENCOUNTERED ILGAR WHILE

1236
00:33:13,766 --> 00:33:15,033
LOOKING FOR AN IMAGE TO HELP US

1237
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:16,833
CONVEY "GRAMPA DIES WHILE

1238
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:18,333
WATCHING FOX NEWS."

1239
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,766
THAT WAS A FIRST DRAFT, AND WE

1240
00:33:19,833 --> 00:33:20,366
DIDN'T ACTUALLY USE IT ON THE

1241
00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:20,866
SHOW.

1242
00:33:20,933 --> 00:33:22,700
INSTEAD, WE WENT WITH THIS

1243
00:33:22,766 --> 00:33:27,300
VERSION, BECAUSE THE GRAMPA JUST

1244
00:33:27,366 --> 00:33:27,766
SEEMED DEADER IN EVERY

1245
00:33:27,833 --> 00:33:28,133
MEANINGFUL WAY.

1246
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,233
BUT THE PERSON WHO'D FOUND THE

1247
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:30,866
PHOTO OF ILGAR NOTICED THERE

1248
00:33:30,933 --> 00:33:32,366
WERE OTHER PHOTOS OF HIM LINKED

1249
00:33:32,433 --> 00:33:33,600
FROM THAT SAME PAGE, AND WHEN

1250
00:33:33,666 --> 00:33:34,466
THEY CLICKED THROUGH TO SEE

1251
00:33:34,566 --> 00:33:35,266
MORE, WERE AMAZED AT WHAT THEY

1252
00:33:35,366 --> 00:33:37,266
FOUND.

1253
00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:38,166
BECAUSE IT TURNS OUT, ILGAR HAS

1254
00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:40,666
BEEN IN A LOT OF PHOTOS.

1255
00:33:40,733 --> 00:33:42,300
I MEAN, A LOT, A LOT.

1256
00:33:42,366 --> 00:33:43,300
HE'S CURRENTLY FEATURED IN OVER

1257
00:33:43,366 --> 00:33:46,200
250 PAGES ON THE WEBSITE

1258
00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:47,200
SHUTTERSTOCK, WHICH DOESN'T

1259
00:33:47,266 --> 00:33:48,266
SOUND LIKE MUCH, UNTIL YOU

1260
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:49,566
REALIZE THAT EACH PAGE CONTAINS

1261
00:33:49,633 --> 00:33:51,266
100 PHOTOS.

1262
00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:53,633
SO THAT'S MORE THAN 25,000

1263
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:55,366
PHOTOS OF THIS ONE MAN,

1264
00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:56,966
DEMONSTRATING A MERYL STREEP

1265
00:33:57,033 --> 00:33:59,566
LEVEL OF RANGE.

1266
00:33:59,633 --> 00:34:02,266
HE'S BEEN A BAKER, A JUDGE, A

1267
00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:03,366
DOCTOR, AN UNCLEAR BUT SEEMS

1268
00:34:03,433 --> 00:34:09,565
LIKE SOMETHING IN FINANCE, A

1269
00:34:09,632 --> 00:34:10,333
CARPENTER, A DENTIST FEEDING A

1270
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:10,900
BASEBALL BAT TO TEETH, DON'T

1271
00:34:10,966 --> 00:34:12,199
OVERTHINK IT, AND THE IMAGE THAT

1272
00:34:12,266 --> 00:34:15,233
WILL NOW FOREVER COME TO MIND

1273
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:16,666
WHENEVER I PICTURE THE CONCEPT

1274
00:34:16,733 --> 00:34:17,000
OF "BUSINESS."

1275
00:34:17,065 --> 00:34:18,065
BASICALLY, WHATEVER YOU NEED,

1276
00:34:18,132 --> 00:34:19,500
ILGAR'S GOT YOU COVERED, WHETHER

1277
00:34:19,565 --> 00:34:20,933
IT'S WATCHING VR, OR DOING YOGA

1278
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,500
WITH HIS FRIENDS.

1279
00:34:21,565 --> 00:34:22,533
AND BY THE WAY, EAT YOUR HEART

1280
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,132
OUT, SIMU LIU, THAT'S HOW IT'S

1281
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:30,100
DONE.

1282
00:34:30,166 --> 00:34:31,733
BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN, AGAIN,

1283
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,900
25,000 PHOTOS, YOU'RE GOING TO

1284
00:34:33,966 --> 00:34:34,500
REPEAT A FEW SETUPS, AND SOME

1285
00:34:34,565 --> 00:34:36,033
PRONOUNCED THEMES EMERGE.

1286
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:38,000
LIKE ILGAR POINTING GUNS AT

1287
00:34:38,065 --> 00:34:40,000
THINGS, OR BEING INEXPLICABLY

1288
00:34:40,065 --> 00:34:42,100
ANGRY WITH PAPERWORK.

1289
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,600
BUT MAYBE THE WEIRDEST SUBGENRE

1290
00:34:43,666 --> 00:34:44,766
IS WHAT I LIKE TO CALL "ILGAR'S

1291
00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:45,533
BONES PERIOD."

1292
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,233
BECAUSE THE MAN LOVES POSING

1293
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:50,533
WITH BONES.

1294
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,065
TAKING SELFIES WITH BONES.

1295
00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:51,699
ARGUING ABOUT MONEY WITH BONES,

1296
00:34:51,766 --> 00:34:52,233
SHARING COFFEE WITH BONES,

1297
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:52,833
GROWING TIRED OF BONES'S SHIT

1298
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:53,433
BEFORE ULTIMATELY SAYING "HEY,

1299
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:59,866
THERE'S THE DOOR, BONES."

1300
00:34:59,933 --> 00:35:01,166
THERE'S THIS PHOTO WHERE ILGAR

1301
00:35:01,233 --> 00:35:03,100
APPEARS SUSPICIOUS OF HIS

1302
00:35:03,166 --> 00:35:04,533
COWORKER BONES, OR THIS ONE,

1303
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,133
WHERE HE'S A DOCTOR REMINDING

1304
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,700
THE VIEWER THAT SKELETONS DON'T

1305
00:35:06,766 --> 00:35:07,866
HAVE PENISES, A FACT IT SEEMS

1306
00:35:07,933 --> 00:35:09,066
THIS SKELETON WOULD'VE PREFERRED

1307
00:35:09,133 --> 00:35:11,300
LEFT UNSAID.

1308
00:35:11,366 --> 00:35:12,600
ILGAR LOVES BONES POSSIBLY A

1309
00:35:12,666 --> 00:35:15,733
LITTLE TOO MUCH.

1310
00:35:15,833 --> 00:35:16,933
AND NOT JUST HUMAN BONES, HE

1311
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,933
LOVES DOG BONES, CAT BONES, CUTE

1312
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,433
LITTLE MICE BONES, UPSIDE DOWN

1313
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,466
BAT AND BIRD BONES.

1314
00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:22,866
I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU WANTED A

1315
00:35:22,933 --> 00:35:24,266
SINGLE PHOTO TO COMMUNICATE THE

1316
00:35:24,333 --> 00:35:25,866
IDEA "YOU JUST WALKED IN ON

1317
00:35:25,933 --> 00:35:26,666
SOMEONE WHO FINISHED DOING

1318
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:27,833
SOMETHING WEIRD WITH BONES AND

1319
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:28,866
IS NOW TRYING TO ASSURE YOU

1320
00:35:28,933 --> 00:35:30,266
'IT'S NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE'"

1321
00:35:30,333 --> 00:35:34,000
THIS IS THE IMAGE I'D USE.

1322
00:35:34,066 --> 00:35:34,966
I LOVE THIS MAN, DESPITE KNOWING

1323
00:35:35,033 --> 00:35:36,566
ALMOST NOTHING ABOUT HIM, APART

1324
00:35:36,633 --> 00:35:37,900
FROM THE FACT THAT WHEN A

1325
00:35:37,966 --> 00:35:39,466
PHOTOGRAPHER ASKS HIM IF HE CAN

1326
00:35:39,533 --> 00:35:40,833
DO LITERALLY ANY TASK, HIS

1327
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:42,200
ANSWER WILL EITHER BE "FUCK YES"

1328
00:35:42,266 --> 00:35:44,000
OR, IF HE'S ASKED TO POSE AS

1329
00:35:44,066 --> 00:35:46,166
SOMEONE WHO IS DEFINITELY

1330
00:35:46,233 --> 00:35:50,500
FAMILIAR WITH AMERICAN FOOTBALL,

1331
00:35:50,566 --> 00:35:51,733
"FUCK KINDA."

1332
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,566
AND HE'LL DO IT EVEN IF THE

1333
00:35:53,633 --> 00:35:54,000
PROMPT SEEMS LIKE IT

1334
00:35:54,066 --> 00:35:54,533
WAS CLEARLY THE RESULT OF

1335
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,200
SOMETHING GETTING LOST IN

1336
00:35:55,266 --> 00:35:57,266
TRANSLATION, LIKE "MISCHIEVOUS

1337
00:35:57,333 --> 00:35:58,800
OLD MAN MAKES PHONES FIGHT

1338
00:35:58,866 --> 00:36:00,500
FEATURING CHRIST VIBES."

1339
00:36:00,566 --> 00:36:01,900
INCIDENTALLY, WHEN WE DISCOVERED

1340
00:36:01,966 --> 00:36:03,533
THAT ONE, THE CAPTION ON IT READ

1341
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,100
"ALMOST NEVER LICENSED, HIGH

1342
00:36:04,166 --> 00:36:05,666
POTENTIAL."

1343
00:36:05,733 --> 00:36:06,966
"BE THE TRENDSETTER, MAKE THIS

1344
00:36:07,033 --> 00:36:09,300
UNTAPPED ASSET YOURS."

1345
00:36:09,366 --> 00:36:10,666
LIKE IT'S AN UNDISCOVERED OIL

1346
00:36:10,733 --> 00:36:12,100
WELL, AND NOT A DRUNK DAD AT A

1347
00:36:12,166 --> 00:36:13,700
WEDDING PHOTO BOOTH WHO GOT REAL

1348
00:36:13,766 --> 00:36:16,100
WEIRD WITH THE PROPS.

1349
00:36:16,166 --> 00:36:16,733
AND AT THIS POINT, YOU MIGHT BE

1350
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,600
WONDERING WHY I'M EVEN TALKING

1351
00:36:18,666 --> 00:36:19,533
ABOUT STOCK PHOTOS, LET ALONE,

1352
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,033
THIS ONE GUY.

1353
00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:26,500
TO WHICH I SAY: HEY, SHUT UP.

1354
00:36:26,566 --> 00:36:27,733
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE STORIES

1355
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,100
WHERE WE, FORGIVE THE TERM,

1356
00:36:29,166 --> 00:36:30,866
CHILL THE FUCK OUT A BIT.

1357
00:36:30,933 --> 00:36:33,033
WE'RE NOT DOING CHARTS AND

1358
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:33,633
GRAPHS AND PULLQUOTES OVER MY

1359
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:34,933
SHOULDER.

1360
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,533
IN FACT, HERE'S THE ONLY CHART

1361
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,100
I'LL SHOW YOU IN THIS PIECE.

1362
00:36:36,166 --> 00:36:40,933
IF 90% OF OUR EPISODES ARE "SAD

1363
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,633
DADDY HONKS SOME NUMBERS AT

1364
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:42,366
YOU," THE REST IS "WASTING YOUR

1365
00:36:42,433 --> 00:36:45,033
ONE PRECIOUS LIFE ON MEANINGLESS

1366
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:45,500
BULLSHIT."

1367
00:36:45,566 --> 00:36:46,233
AND GOOD NEWS: WE ARE

1368
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:46,833
COMFORTABLY IN THE LATTER ZONE

1369
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:47,566
NOW.

1370
00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:48,200
WE'RE BURNING THROUGH TIME LIKE

1371
00:36:48,266 --> 00:36:51,600
DEATH ISN'T REAL.

1372
00:36:51,666 --> 00:36:52,200
AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE

1373
00:36:52,266 --> 00:36:56,566
ALL THIS IS GOING, IT'S THAT WE

1374
00:36:56,633 --> 00:36:57,166
BECAME OBSESSED WITH THIS GUY.

1375
00:36:57,233 --> 00:36:58,033
SO MUCH SO THAT, EVEN THOUGH

1376
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:58,600
THERE'S CLEARLY AN ABSOLUTE

1377
00:36:58,666 --> 00:36:59,233
MOUNTAIN OF PHOTOS THAT EXIST OF

1378
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:02,166
HIM, THERE'S ONE I REALIZED I

1379
00:37:02,233 --> 00:37:02,966
WANTED MORE THAN ANY OTHER.

1380
00:37:03,033 --> 00:37:04,166
AND THAT'S OF ME, SHAKING HANDS

1381
00:37:04,233 --> 00:37:08,500
WITH ILGAR HIMSELF.

1382
00:37:08,566 --> 00:37:09,133
AND I KNOW, WE COULD TECHNICALLY

1383
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:09,833
PHOTOSHOP THAT UP.

1384
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:11,366
BUT THAT DOESN'T FEEL THE SAME.

1385
00:37:11,433 --> 00:37:13,533
I KNOW IT'S FRAUDULENT.

1386
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,466
SO WE SET OUT TO TRACK HIM DOWN.

1387
00:37:16,533 --> 00:37:17,900
AND THAT'S WHY, LADIES AND

1388
00:37:17,966 --> 00:37:18,966
GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO REVEAL:

1389
00:37:19,033 --> 00:37:20,866
ILGAR, THE MAN FROM THE STOCK

1390
00:37:20,933 --> 00:37:27,933
PHOTO!

1391
00:37:28,166 --> 00:37:28,566
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

1392
00:37:28,633 --> 00:37:34,933
IS NOT COMING OUT.

1393
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,866
HERE, LET ME EXPLAIN.

1394
00:37:35,933 --> 00:37:36,500
TURNS OUT, HE'S NOT AN EASY MAN

1395
00:37:36,566 --> 00:37:36,733
TO FIND.

1396
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,566
ILGAR HAS ALMOST NO DIGITAL

1397
00:37:37,633 --> 00:37:39,266
FOOTPRINT -- ASIDE FROM,

1398
00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:42,366
FAMOUSLY, 25,000 PHOTOGRAPHS.

1399
00:37:42,433 --> 00:37:44,000
WE DID, THOUGH, MANAGE TO TRACK

1400
00:37:44,066 --> 00:37:45,900
DOWN THE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO TOOK

1401
00:37:45,966 --> 00:37:47,600
THE PHOTOS, A MAN NAMED ELNUR

1402
00:37:47,666 --> 00:37:49,000
AMIKISHIYEV, WHO LIVES IN

1403
00:37:49,066 --> 00:37:50,000
AZERBAIJAN.

1404
00:37:50,066 --> 00:37:50,600
HE TOLD US ILGAR LIVES THERE,

1405
00:37:50,666 --> 00:37:51,633
TOO.

1406
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:52,466
BUT WHEN WE ASKED HIM TO PUT US

1407
00:37:52,533 --> 00:37:54,333
IN TOUCH WITH ILGAR, HE WAS

1408
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:54,933
HESITANT TO DO SO WITHOUT MORE

1409
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,266
INFORMATION.

1410
00:37:56,333 --> 00:37:56,900
THEN WE LOST EMAIL CONTACT WITH

1411
00:37:56,966 --> 00:37:59,766
HIM.

1412
00:37:59,866 --> 00:38:01,533
SO WE WERE AT A DEAD END.

1413
00:38:01,633 --> 00:38:02,900
UNTIL A FEW MONTHS AGO, WHEN WE

1414
00:38:02,966 --> 00:38:04,166
FOUND THE PHOTOGRAPHER ON

1415
00:38:04,233 --> 00:38:08,266
WHATSAPP, GOT IN TOUCH AGAIN,

1416
00:38:08,333 --> 00:38:08,866
AND HE TOLD US THAT HE WAS NOW

1417
00:38:08,933 --> 00:38:09,533
WILLING TO HELP US.

1418
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:10,066
BUT IT TURNS OUT, BRINGING

1419
00:38:10,133 --> 00:38:11,633
SOMEONE HERE FROM AZERBAIJAN IS

1420
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:13,466
VERY DIFFICULT -- IT INVOLVES

1421
00:38:13,533 --> 00:38:14,466
MEETINGS AT THE AMERICAN EMBASSY

1422
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:15,733
THERE, APPLICATIONS FOR VISAS,

1423
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,866
INTERVIEWS...

1424
00:38:16,933 --> 00:38:18,533
IT'S A LENGTHY PROCESS.

1425
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,933
AND THE REASON I KNOW THAT, IS

1426
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,200
BECAUSE WE GOT TO THE END OF

1427
00:38:21,266 --> 00:38:22,433
THAT PROCESS THIS WEEK.

1428
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:23,966
AND YOU KNOW WHEN I SAID ILGAR

1429
00:38:24,033 --> 00:38:24,766
WASN'T COMING OUT FROM OVER

1430
00:38:24,833 --> 00:38:25,733
THERE?

1431
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,566
THAT WAS TECHNICALLY TRUE.

1432
00:38:27,633 --> 00:38:28,733
BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE HE'S

1433
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,600
COMING OUT FROM OVER HERE

1434
00:38:30,666 --> 00:38:35,666
INSTEAD!

1435
00:38:35,766 --> 00:38:36,166
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

1436
00:38:36,233 --> 00:38:40,200
BECAUSE WE FOUND HIM!

1437
00:38:40,266 --> 00:38:41,333
WE FOUND HIM!

1438
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,333
ILGAR PASHAYEV, EVERYBODY!

1439
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,500
ILGAR PASHAYEV!

1440
00:38:46,566 --> 00:38:47,366
ILGAR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

1441
00:38:47,433 --> 00:38:48,700
BEING HERE.

1442
00:38:48,766 --> 00:38:49,666
WE'RE SUCH HUGE FANS OF YOUR

1443
00:38:49,733 --> 00:38:51,433
WORK.

1444
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:54,166
>> Ilgar: THANK YOU.

1445
00:38:54,233 --> 00:38:57,966
>> John: OKAY, WOULD IT BE OKAY

1446
00:38:58,033 --> 00:39:01,866
IF WE TOOK A PHOTO TOGETHER?

1447
00:39:01,933 --> 00:39:05,133
>> Ilgar: OF COURSE.

1448
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,233
>> John: NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THE

1449
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:07,100
SETTING WHERE YOU'VE DONE YOUR

1450
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:07,966
BEST WORK IS A DOCTORS' OFFICE,

1451
00:39:08,066 --> 00:39:08,800
SO -- I'M GONNA NEED A WHITE

1452
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:09,633
COAT FOR ILGAR AND A SELECTION

1453
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:10,733
OF WEIRD BONES.

1454
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,300
I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M DOING THIS,

1455
00:39:12,366 --> 00:39:16,400
DREAMS REALLY DO COME TRUE!

1456
00:39:16,466 --> 00:39:19,900
ARE YOU READY, ILGAR?

1457
00:39:19,966 --> 00:39:20,200
I'M READY.

1458
00:39:20,266 --> 00:39:23,166
LET'S DO THIS!

1459
00:39:23,233 --> 00:39:23,633
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

1460
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:23,833
♪ ♪

1461
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:25,133
WE DID IT!

1462
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,033
ILGAR PASHAYEV, EVERYONE!

1463
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:30,633
THAT IS OUR SHOW, THANK YOU SO

1464
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:31,033
MUCH FOR WATCHING!

1465
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:31,533
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

1466
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,700
GOOD NIGHT!

1467
00:39:33,766 --> 00:39:36,000
ILGAR PASHAYEV!

1468
00:39:36,066 --> 00:39:43,066
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

1469
00:39:45,833 --> 00:39:47,333
[CAMERA SHUTTER]

1470
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:54,400
♪ ♪

1471
00:39:57,233 --> 00:39:58,066
>> Y