1 00:00:10,266 --> 00:00:15,166 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:15,233 --> 00:00:21,500 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:21,566 --> 00:00:23,533 >> John: HI THERE! 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:29,833 ♪ ♪ 5 00:00:29,900 --> 00:00:31,433 >> John: HI THERE! 6 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:32,366 WELCOME TO THE SHOW, STILL 7 00:00:32,433 --> 00:00:33,666 TAKING PLACE IN THIS BLANK VOID, 8 00:00:33,733 --> 00:00:34,833 WHICH I'VE NOW BEEN IN SO LONG 9 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:36,300 I'M ABOUT TO HAVE TO GET IT 10 00:00:36,366 --> 00:00:37,600 WAXED AND BLEACHED AGAIN. 11 00:00:37,666 --> 00:00:39,366 IT'S BEEN A BUSY WEEK, FROM A 12 00:00:39,433 --> 00:00:40,400 CYBERATTACK FORCING THE SHUTDOWN 13 00:00:40,466 --> 00:00:41,800 OF A TOP U.S. PIPELINE TO 14 00:00:41,866 --> 00:00:43,000 VACCINATIONS CONTINUING TO ROLL 15 00:00:43,066 --> 00:00:44,266 OUT, WITH CITIES AND STATES 16 00:00:44,333 --> 00:00:45,400 INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO GET 17 00:00:45,466 --> 00:00:46,666 THEM. 18 00:00:46,733 --> 00:00:48,000 OHIO, FOR INSTANCE, IS OFFERING 19 00:00:48,066 --> 00:00:49,433 A PRIZE OF UP TO $1 MILLION FOR 20 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:51,000 GETTING THE VACCINE, WHILE 21 00:00:51,066 --> 00:00:53,566 NEW YORK CITY IS OFFERING FREE 22 00:00:53,633 --> 00:00:55,466 SHAKE SHACK, WHICH OUR MAYOR 23 00:00:55,533 --> 00:00:56,166 BILL de BLASIO TRIED TO SELL IN 24 00:00:56,233 --> 00:00:57,233 THE LEAST APPETIZING WAY 25 00:00:57,300 --> 00:00:58,666 IMAGINABLE. 26 00:00:58,733 --> 00:01:00,166 >> JUST THINK OF THIS WHEN YOU 27 00:01:00,233 --> 00:01:02,900 THINK OF VACCINATION... 28 00:01:02,966 --> 00:01:04,166 MMM, VACCINATION... 29 00:01:04,233 --> 00:01:06,633 MMM... 30 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:08,466 I'M GETTING A VERY GOOD 31 00:01:08,533 --> 00:01:10,000 FEELING... 32 00:01:10,066 --> 00:01:10,933 ABOUT VACCINATION RIGHT THIS 33 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,366 MOMENT. 34 00:01:13,433 --> 00:01:18,800 >> John: NOPE. 35 00:01:18,866 --> 00:01:19,600 THAT'S A NO, BILL. 36 00:01:19,666 --> 00:01:20,100 NO TO EVERYTHING THERE. 37 00:01:20,166 --> 00:01:21,333 NO TO THE UNCOMFORTABLY LOUD 38 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:21,666 CHEWING. 39 00:01:21,733 --> 00:01:22,466 AND DEFINITELY NO TO THE "MMM." 40 00:01:22,533 --> 00:01:23,166 YOU SOUND LIKE A SEXUALLY 41 00:01:23,233 --> 00:01:23,766 FRUSTRATED COW TRYING AND 42 00:01:23,833 --> 00:01:26,266 FAILING TO CLIMAX. 43 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:27,033 AND LOOK, I'D LOVE TO TALK FOR 44 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:27,666 THE REST OF THE SHOW ABOUT HOW 45 00:01:27,733 --> 00:01:28,166 TERRIBLE IT IS TO WATCH 46 00:01:28,233 --> 00:01:29,166 BILL de BLASIO EAT A BURGER. 47 00:01:29,233 --> 00:01:31,666 BUT THE THING IS, I CAN'T. 48 00:01:31,733 --> 00:01:32,766 INSTEAD -- IF I MAY QUOTE THE 49 00:01:32,833 --> 00:01:34,066 RISKIEST THING YOU COULD 50 00:01:34,133 --> 00:01:35,633 POSSIBLY SAY ON A FIRST DATE -- 51 00:01:35,700 --> 00:01:37,300 "LET'S TALK ABOUT ISRAEL." 52 00:01:37,366 --> 00:01:39,200 BECAUSE THE BIGGEST NEWS OF THE 53 00:01:39,266 --> 00:01:40,866 WEEK HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN THIS. 54 00:01:40,933 --> 00:01:42,333 >> THIS MORNING, THE WORST 55 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,966 VIOLENCE IN YEARS BETWEEN 56 00:01:44,033 --> 00:01:45,700 ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS IS 57 00:01:45,766 --> 00:01:47,266 INTENSIFYING. 58 00:01:47,333 --> 00:01:49,100 ISRAEL'S MILITARY ATTACKED NEW 59 00:01:49,166 --> 00:01:50,366 TARGETS IN GAZA, THE PALESTINIAN 60 00:01:50,433 --> 00:01:52,866 TERRITORY WHERE MILITANTS ARE 61 00:01:52,933 --> 00:01:53,833 FIRING HUNDREDS OF ROCKETS INTO 62 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:54,866 ISRAEL. 63 00:01:54,933 --> 00:01:56,166 AND IN THE ISRAELI-OCCUPIED 64 00:01:56,233 --> 00:01:57,733 WEST BANK, PALESTINIAN 65 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,200 PROTESTERS FOUGHT WITH POLICE. 66 00:02:00,266 --> 00:02:01,566 >> SINCE MONDAY, OVER 80 67 00:02:01,633 --> 00:02:03,133 PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED 68 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:03,700 AND 7 ISRAELIS IN THIS 69 00:02:03,766 --> 00:02:09,033 TIT-FOR-TAT WAR. 70 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:10,033 >> John: OKAY, THERE IS A LOT TO 71 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:11,166 UNPACK THERE, FROM THE HORROR OF 72 00:02:11,233 --> 00:02:11,700 THE SITUATION -- WHICH HAS 73 00:02:11,766 --> 00:02:12,300 ESCALATED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE 74 00:02:12,366 --> 00:02:13,166 THEN -- TO THE USE OF THE PHRASE 75 00:02:13,233 --> 00:02:14,400 "TIT-FOR-TAT WAR" IN A CONFLICT 76 00:02:14,466 --> 00:02:16,100 WHERE YOU JUST POINTED OUT ONE 77 00:02:16,166 --> 00:02:18,266 SIDE HAS SUFFERED OVER TEN TIMES 78 00:02:18,333 --> 00:02:20,566 THE CASUALTIES, SOMETHING WHICH 79 00:02:20,633 --> 00:02:23,866 IMBALANCE AT PLAY HERE AND HOW 80 00:02:23,933 --> 00:02:25,566 THAT OFTEN GETS OBSCURED BY HOW 81 00:02:25,633 --> 00:02:28,466 WE CHOOSE TO TALK ABOUT IT. 82 00:02:28,533 --> 00:02:29,933 AND LOOK, IF YOU'RE NOT FLUENT 83 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,366 IN MIDDLE EAST HISTORY, I KNOW 84 00:02:31,433 --> 00:02:32,400 THIS CAN SEEM OVERWHELMING -- 85 00:02:32,466 --> 00:02:33,666 THE LATEST CHAPTER IN A LONG 86 00:02:33,733 --> 00:02:36,166 STORY YOU HAVEN'T READ. 87 00:02:36,233 --> 00:02:37,366 SO I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND 88 00:02:37,433 --> 00:02:38,166 RECAP THE HISTORY HERE, OR 89 00:02:38,233 --> 00:02:39,633 INDEED, PROPOSE A SOLUTION -- 90 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:40,600 ALTHOUGH, INTERESTINGLY, I DO 91 00:02:40,666 --> 00:02:42,500 HAVE ONE. 92 00:02:42,566 --> 00:02:43,400 BECAUSE SOMEONE WITH THIS ACCENT 93 00:02:43,466 --> 00:02:44,366 ALWAYS THINKS THEY CAN FIX 94 00:02:44,433 --> 00:02:48,566 THINGS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. 95 00:02:48,633 --> 00:02:49,233 I REDREW THE MAP A BIT, AND I 96 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:49,933 HAVE A LOT OF MISPLACED 97 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:50,900 CONFIDENCE THAT IT WOULD WORK 98 00:02:50,966 --> 00:02:52,233 VERY WELL. 99 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:53,633 BUT THIS WEEK'S ACTUALLY BEEN A 100 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:54,933 PRETTY GOOD REMINDER THAT WHILE 101 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,233 SOME THINGS ARE INCREDIBLY 102 00:02:56,300 --> 00:02:57,866 COMPLEX AND REQUIRE A GREAT DEAL 103 00:02:57,933 --> 00:02:59,533 OF CONTEXT, OTHERS ARE JUST 104 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,300 WRONG. 105 00:03:01,366 --> 00:03:02,466 TAKE, FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE 106 00:03:02,533 --> 00:03:03,366 INCIDENTS THAT'S BEEN A 107 00:03:03,433 --> 00:03:04,300 FLASHPOINT -- 108 00:03:04,366 --> 00:03:05,233 THE PLANNED EXPULSION OF 109 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:06,700 PALESTINIANS WHO'VE LIVED IN THE 110 00:03:06,766 --> 00:03:09,933 SHEIKH JARRAH NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 111 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,600 GENERATIONS. 112 00:03:10,666 --> 00:03:11,833 IT'S CURRENTLY TIED UP IN THE 113 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:13,033 ISRAELI COURT SYSTEM WITH THE 114 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:14,066 FOREIGN MINISTRY CALLING IT A 115 00:03:14,133 --> 00:03:15,233 "REAL ESTATE DISPUTE." 116 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:16,100 BUT IT'S WORTH KNOWING THAT THE 117 00:03:16,166 --> 00:03:17,200 U.N.'S COMMISSIONER FOR HUMAN 118 00:03:17,266 --> 00:03:18,800 RIGHTS HAS SAID THESE EXPULSIONS 119 00:03:18,866 --> 00:03:19,866 WOULD VIOLATE ISRAEL'S 120 00:03:19,933 --> 00:03:21,133 OBLIGATIONS UNDER INTERNATIONAL 121 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,266 LAW. 122 00:03:22,333 --> 00:03:24,066 SO IT IS NOT HARD TO SEE WHY 123 00:03:24,133 --> 00:03:25,833 SANITIZED TERMS LIKE "EVICTIONS" 124 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:27,666 OR "PROPERTY DISPUTES" RANKLE 125 00:03:27,733 --> 00:03:30,833 THOSE WHO LIVE THERE. 126 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:32,066 >> YOU GREW UP IN THE 127 00:03:32,133 --> 00:03:32,866 NEIGHBORHOOD. 128 00:03:32,933 --> 00:03:33,966 YOUR FAMILY HOME IS SLATED FOR 129 00:03:34,033 --> 00:03:34,666 EVICTION. 130 00:03:34,733 --> 00:03:36,233 WHAT IS THE SCENE RIGHT NOW? 131 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:37,766 >> WELL, I -- THANK YOU SO MUCH 132 00:03:37,833 --> 00:03:38,666 FOR HAVING ME. 133 00:03:38,733 --> 00:03:39,833 TO START, IT'S NOT REALLY AN 134 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:40,300 EVICTION. 135 00:03:40,366 --> 00:03:41,733 IT'S FORCED ETHNIC DISPLACEMENT, 136 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,966 TO BE ACCURATE. 137 00:03:43,033 --> 00:03:44,100 EVICTION DOES NOT IMPLY THE 138 00:03:44,166 --> 00:03:46,133 HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HEAVILY 139 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,800 ARMED POLICE AND ARMY AND 140 00:03:48,866 --> 00:03:50,066 SETTLERS COLLUDING, BLOWING UP 141 00:03:50,133 --> 00:03:51,066 YOUR DOORS, THROWING YOUR 142 00:03:51,133 --> 00:03:52,200 CHILDREN FROM YOUR WINDOWS AND 143 00:03:52,266 --> 00:03:53,766 USING BRUTE FORCE TO THROW YOU 144 00:03:53,833 --> 00:03:54,766 OUT IN THE STREET AND ASSAULTING 145 00:03:54,833 --> 00:03:55,833 AND ARRESTING YOU SHOULD YOU 146 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:57,000 RESIST. 147 00:03:57,066 --> 00:03:57,900 IT DOESN'T IMPLY THE GRENADES. 148 00:03:57,966 --> 00:03:58,866 IT DOESN'T IMPLY THE 149 00:03:58,933 --> 00:04:01,666 RUBBER-COATED BULLETS. 150 00:04:01,733 --> 00:04:02,033 >> John: RIGHT. 151 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:03,233 THE THREAT OF EVICTION IS 152 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:04,900 ACCURATE ONLY IN A VERY 153 00:04:04,966 --> 00:04:06,433 SUPERFICIAL LEVEL -- IN THAT ONE 154 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:07,500 DAY YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE, THE NEXT 155 00:04:07,566 --> 00:04:08,133 DAY YOU DON'T, AND THAT CHANGE 156 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,000 WASN'T YOUR CHOICE, BUT IT 157 00:04:09,066 --> 00:04:10,233 DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY. 158 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:11,833 IT'S LIKE RUNNING A HEADLINE 159 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:12,866 THAT SAYS "MATT GAETZ REACHES 160 00:04:12,933 --> 00:04:14,400 OUT TO FLORIDA YOUTH." 161 00:04:14,466 --> 00:04:16,000 SURE, NOT INACCURATE. 162 00:04:16,066 --> 00:04:17,533 BUT IT'S MISSING SOME PRETTY 163 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:18,700 CRUCIAL DETAILS ABOUT THE EXACT 164 00:04:18,766 --> 00:04:19,933 NATURE OF THAT INTERACTION. 165 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,733 AND LOOK, IT IS TRUE THAT 166 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,066 MILITANTS FROM PALESTINIAN 167 00:04:23,133 --> 00:04:24,600 GROUPS LIKE HAMAS FIRED OVER A 168 00:04:24,666 --> 00:04:26,066 THOUSAND ROCKETS TOWARD ISRAEL 169 00:04:26,133 --> 00:04:30,366 THIS WEEK, AND THAT IS 170 00:04:30,433 --> 00:04:30,700 REPREHENSIBLE. 171 00:04:30,766 --> 00:04:32,300 BUT -- AND I REALIZE THIS IS THE 172 00:04:32,366 --> 00:04:34,800 MOST LOAD-BEARING CONJUNCTION IN 173 00:04:34,866 --> 00:04:36,166 HISTORY, "BUT" -- THE MAJORITY 174 00:04:36,233 --> 00:04:38,966 OF THOSE ROCKETS THANKFULLY 175 00:04:39,033 --> 00:04:40,033 DIDN'T REACH THEIR TARGET, FOR A 176 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:40,433 VERY CLEAR REASON. 177 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:41,333 >> THE CASUALTIES AND THE DAMAGE 178 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,633 WOULD HAVE BEEN GREATER BUT FOR 179 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:43,966 ISRAELI INTERCEPTOR ROCKETS, THE 180 00:04:44,033 --> 00:04:45,600 SO-CALLED IRON DOME, WHICH BLEW 181 00:04:45,666 --> 00:04:47,666 MOST OF THE INCOMING MISSILES TO 182 00:04:47,733 --> 00:04:49,166 PIECES. 183 00:04:49,233 --> 00:04:50,833 >> John: YEAH, ISRAEL HAS AN 184 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:52,900 SO-CALLED IRON DOME. 185 00:04:52,966 --> 00:04:54,700 AND I KNOW "WHAT IF WE BLEW UP 186 00:04:54,766 --> 00:04:56,833 THE ROCKETS WITH MORE ROCKETS?" 187 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:57,733 SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING SOMEONE 188 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,366 DRUNKENLY WROTE DOWN ON A NAPKIN 189 00:04:58,433 --> 00:04:59,500 ONCE, BUT IT IS A REAL MILITARY 190 00:04:59,566 --> 00:05:04,400 DEFENSE SYSTEM THAT WORKS. 191 00:05:04,466 --> 00:05:06,400 AND I ALSO KNOW NOT ALL THE 192 00:05:06,466 --> 00:05:07,533 ROCKETS WERE SHOT DOWN. 193 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,133 ISRAELI CIVILIANS WERE KILLED 194 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,300 THIS WEEK, WHICH IS TERRIBLE. 195 00:05:09,366 --> 00:05:14,600 BUT THE POINT IS, THIS ISN'T 196 00:05:14,666 --> 00:05:17,433 "TIT FOR TAT." 197 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:18,866 THERE IS A MASSIVE IMBALANCE 198 00:05:18,933 --> 00:05:20,233 WHEN IT COMES TO THE TWO SIDES' 199 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:21,200 WEAPONRY AND CAPABILITIES. 200 00:05:21,266 --> 00:05:21,833 WHILE MOST OF THE ROCKETS AIMED 201 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:22,400 TOWARD ISRAELI CITIZENS THIS 202 00:05:22,466 --> 00:05:23,033 WEEK WERE INTERCEPTED, ISRAEL'S 203 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:24,366 AIR STRIKES WERE NOT. 204 00:05:24,433 --> 00:05:26,966 THEY HIT THEIR TARGETS, 205 00:05:27,033 --> 00:05:28,600 INCLUDING A HOUSE IN A REFUGEE 206 00:05:28,666 --> 00:05:30,000 CAMP, A BUILDING HOUSING THE 207 00:05:30,066 --> 00:05:31,900 ASSOCIATED PRESS AND AL JAZEERA, 208 00:05:31,966 --> 00:05:33,700 AND THIS 13-STORY OFFICE AND 209 00:05:33,766 --> 00:05:35,666 APARTMENT BUILDING. 210 00:05:35,733 --> 00:05:36,900 AND WHILE ISRAEL INSISTED THAT 211 00:05:36,966 --> 00:05:38,233 THERE WERE MILITARY TARGETS IN 212 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:39,633 THAT BUILDING AND THAT THEY'D 213 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:40,733 DESTROYED IT AS HUMANELY AS 214 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,166 POSSIBLE, EVEN WARNING PEOPLE TO 215 00:05:43,233 --> 00:05:44,166 EVACUATE BEFOREHAND, FOR THE 216 00:05:44,233 --> 00:05:46,133 RECORD, "DESTROYING A CIVILIAN 217 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,133 RESIDENCE" SURE SEEMS LIKE A WAR 218 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,866 CRIME REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU 219 00:05:48,933 --> 00:05:52,033 SEND A COURTESY HEADS-UP TEXT. 220 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:53,766 AND WHEN DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE 221 00:05:53,833 --> 00:05:55,000 SEEN THEIR HOMES OR LIVELIHOODS 222 00:05:55,066 --> 00:05:56,633 DESTROYED, IT DOESN'T REALLY 223 00:05:56,700 --> 00:05:58,566 HELP THAT THE ISRAELI MILITARY 224 00:05:58,633 --> 00:06:00,333 POSTED THIS TRIUMPHANT MEME 225 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,466 SHOWING THE EXPLOSION AND THE 226 00:06:04,533 --> 00:06:05,033 RUBBLE LABELED "BEFORE" AND 227 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:05,466 "AFTER." 228 00:06:05,533 --> 00:06:06,333 "LOOK WHAT WE DID! 229 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,833 PEOPLE LIVED THERE BEFORE, AND 230 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:08,866 NOW THEY CAN'T! 231 00:06:08,933 --> 00:06:10,166 YOU GET IT, RIGHT?" 232 00:06:10,233 --> 00:06:14,500 AND OBVIOUSLY, IN GENERAL, YOU 233 00:06:14,566 --> 00:06:16,033 SHOULD PROBABLY NEVER MEME 234 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:16,700 A WAR CRIME. 235 00:06:16,766 --> 00:06:17,700 BUT IF YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, 236 00:06:17,766 --> 00:06:18,333 AT LEAST GO WITH SOMETHING LESS 237 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:18,933 BORING THAN THE BEFORE/AFTER 238 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:19,300 TEMPLATE. 239 00:06:19,366 --> 00:06:20,333 MAYBE USE THE DRAKE MEME OR THE 240 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,666 DISASTER GIRL. 241 00:06:21,733 --> 00:06:23,166 THERE'S A BUILDING COMING DOWN, 242 00:06:23,233 --> 00:06:24,400 SO CHECKMARK ALREADY THERE, AND 243 00:06:24,466 --> 00:06:25,766 IT'S A LITTLE GIRL WITH EYES 244 00:06:25,833 --> 00:06:27,333 THAT SCREAM "I DON'T KNOW WHAT 245 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:27,966 THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS ARE, AND 246 00:06:28,033 --> 00:06:28,533 FRANKLY, I DON'T CARE." 247 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,266 THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, IT 248 00:06:29,333 --> 00:06:31,600 WORKS PERFECTLY. 249 00:06:31,666 --> 00:06:32,433 THE FACT IS, THE CITIZENS OF 250 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:34,833 GAZA DON'T HAVE AN IRON DOME TO 251 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:36,100 PROTECT THEM THE WAY THAT THE 252 00:06:36,166 --> 00:06:37,533 CITIZENS OF ISRAEL DO. 253 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,066 IT'S ONE OF THE MANY WAYS 254 00:06:39,133 --> 00:06:40,733 THEY'RE AT A SIGNIFICANT 255 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,500 DISADVANTAGE. 256 00:06:42,566 --> 00:06:44,066 ALTHOUGH AN ISRAELI MILITARY 257 00:06:44,133 --> 00:06:44,933 SPOKESPERSON TRIED TO PUSH BACK 258 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,100 ON THE IDEA THERE'S MUCH OF A 259 00:06:46,166 --> 00:06:47,866 DISCREPANCY THERE. 260 00:06:47,933 --> 00:06:49,633 >> SOMEBODY ON TWITTER SAID THAT 261 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:51,033 THE PALESTINIANS DON'T HAVE AN 262 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:53,866 IRON DOME. 263 00:06:53,933 --> 00:06:55,166 I SAY YES, THEY HAVE AN IRON 264 00:06:55,233 --> 00:06:55,366 DOME. 265 00:06:55,433 --> 00:06:56,200 IT'S CALLED "DON'T FIRE ROCKETS 266 00:06:56,266 --> 00:06:56,766 AT ISRAELI CIVILIANS AND WE 267 00:06:56,833 --> 00:06:58,100 WON'T FIRE ANYTHING AT GAZA." 268 00:06:58,166 --> 00:06:58,900 >> John: YEAH. 269 00:06:58,966 --> 00:06:59,566 BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF 270 00:06:59,633 --> 00:07:00,600 DIFFERENCES. 271 00:07:00,666 --> 00:07:02,533 "IRON DOME," FOR ONE, SOUNDS 272 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,166 MUCH COOLER, AND ALSO, IT HAS 273 00:07:04,233 --> 00:07:05,566 THE SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE OF 274 00:07:05,633 --> 00:07:07,500 BEING AN ACTUAL DEFENSE SYSTEM 275 00:07:07,566 --> 00:07:08,833 THAT EXISTS, UNLIKE GAZA'S, 276 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:10,200 WHICH IS MOSTLY, "TRY NOT TO BE 277 00:07:10,266 --> 00:07:12,266 WHERE THE BOMBS ARE LANDING." 278 00:07:12,333 --> 00:07:14,266 AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, 279 00:07:14,333 --> 00:07:15,700 THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE 280 00:07:15,766 --> 00:07:16,766 PALESTINIANS IN GAZA ARE NOT 281 00:07:16,833 --> 00:07:19,166 PART OF HAMAS. 282 00:07:19,233 --> 00:07:20,033 THEY DON'T GET TOGETHER AND ALL 283 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:21,600 DECIDE TO LAUNCH ROCKETS. 284 00:07:21,666 --> 00:07:24,566 IT'S NOT A FUCKING CO-OP BOARD. 285 00:07:24,633 --> 00:07:26,166 BUT WHEN ISRAEL FIRES ROCKETS AT 286 00:07:26,233 --> 00:07:27,700 GAZA, IT ENDANGERS ALL 287 00:07:27,766 --> 00:07:29,266 PALESTINIANS THERE. 288 00:07:29,333 --> 00:07:30,966 MAYBE "SOMEBODY ON TWITTER" 289 00:07:31,033 --> 00:07:32,566 COULD POINT THAT OUT TO THAT 290 00:07:32,633 --> 00:07:33,766 GUY. 291 00:07:33,833 --> 00:07:34,800 TO PEOPLE IN GAZA, IT CAN SEEM 292 00:07:34,866 --> 00:07:36,266 LIKE THE ONLY TIME ANYONE PAYS 293 00:07:36,333 --> 00:07:37,533 ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING 294 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,333 THERE IS WHEN HAMAS IS FIRING 295 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,366 ROCKETS, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLY 296 00:07:40,433 --> 00:07:41,633 VERY FRUSTRATING, BECAUSE 297 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:43,666 THEY'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER A 298 00:07:43,733 --> 00:07:44,166 SUFFOCATING BLOCKADE FOR 299 00:07:44,233 --> 00:07:46,333 14 YEARS. 300 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,166 AND IN ISRAEL AND THE OCCUPIED 301 00:07:48,233 --> 00:07:50,733 PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES, 302 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,233 PALESTINIANS ARE ESSENTIALLY 303 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:54,100 BEING GOVERNED BY A FORM OF 304 00:07:54,166 --> 00:07:55,266 APARTHEID, AN ASSESSMENT SIGNED 305 00:07:55,333 --> 00:07:55,900 OFF ON BY BOTH INTERNATIONAL AND 306 00:07:55,966 --> 00:07:58,400 ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS. 307 00:07:58,466 --> 00:07:59,833 LIFE IN GAZA IS HARD EVEN WHEN 308 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:01,866 THEY'RE NOT BEING BOMBED. 309 00:08:01,933 --> 00:08:03,566 AND THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS 310 00:08:03,633 --> 00:08:04,600 IMPLICITLY COSIGNED ON THE 311 00:08:04,666 --> 00:08:06,533 BRUTALLY HARD LINE ISRAEL HAS 312 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,900 BEEN TAKING. 313 00:08:07,966 --> 00:08:09,166 THIS GUY BASICALLY GAVE ISRAEL A 314 00:08:09,233 --> 00:08:10,100 GREEN LIGHT TO DO ANYTHING IT 315 00:08:10,166 --> 00:08:11,933 WANTED FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, 316 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,100 AND WHILE BIDEN HAS HAD THE 317 00:08:13,166 --> 00:08:14,300 OPPORTUNITY TO RESET THAT 318 00:08:14,366 --> 00:08:15,600 RELATIONSHIP, HIS 319 00:08:15,666 --> 00:08:16,700 ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE THIS 320 00:08:16,766 --> 00:08:18,433 WEEK HAS BEEN DEEPLY 321 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:20,166 UNDERWHELMING, GIVING A GENERIC 322 00:08:20,233 --> 00:08:22,333 STATEMENT THAT "ISRAEL HAS A 323 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,800 RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF." 324 00:08:24,866 --> 00:08:26,533 IT'S THE EXACT SAME LINE THAT 325 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,900 OBAMA SAID AND THAT BUSH SAID 326 00:08:27,966 --> 00:08:29,366 BEFORE HIM. 327 00:08:29,433 --> 00:08:31,900 "ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND 328 00:08:31,966 --> 00:08:32,900 ITSELF" IS JUST SOMETHING ALL 329 00:08:32,966 --> 00:08:34,166 PRESIDENTS END UP SAYING OUT 330 00:08:34,233 --> 00:08:35,700 LOUD AT SOME POINT IN OFFICE, 331 00:08:35,766 --> 00:08:36,666 LIKE "MY FELLOW AMERICANS" OR 332 00:08:36,733 --> 00:08:38,266 "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ARE NO 333 00:08:38,333 --> 00:08:39,133 ALIENS? 334 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,900 THIS IS SOME BULLSHIT." 335 00:08:41,966 --> 00:08:43,766 AND LOOK, IT'S NOT THAT ISRAEL 336 00:08:43,833 --> 00:08:44,466 DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND 337 00:08:44,533 --> 00:08:45,866 ITSELF -- IT'S JUST THAT LINE 338 00:08:45,933 --> 00:08:47,333 CANNOT BE USED TO EXCUSE 339 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,166 ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. 340 00:08:48,233 --> 00:08:50,200 MULTIPLE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN 341 00:08:50,266 --> 00:08:51,633 KILLED THIS WEEK -- EIGHT IN A 342 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:53,900 SINGLE STRIKE JUST YESTERDAY. 343 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,800 AND THE U.S. IS HEAVILY 344 00:08:55,866 --> 00:08:57,633 IMPLICATED HERE, NOT JUST BY 345 00:08:57,700 --> 00:08:59,166 SERVING AS ISRAEL'S DIPLOMATIC 346 00:08:59,233 --> 00:09:00,833 SHIELD AT THE U.N., BUT BY 347 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:03,300 CONSTANTLY REFUSING TO CRITICIZE 348 00:09:03,366 --> 00:09:05,300 THE INDEFENSIBLE. 349 00:09:05,366 --> 00:09:07,100 WATCH AS JUST THIS WEEK A STATE 350 00:09:07,166 --> 00:09:08,466 DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN DESPERATELY 351 00:09:08,533 --> 00:09:10,033 TRIED TO EQUIVOCATE WHEN ASKED A 352 00:09:10,100 --> 00:09:12,566 PRETTY SIMPLE QUESTION. 353 00:09:12,633 --> 00:09:13,600 >> I WANT TO ASK ON EAST 354 00:09:13,666 --> 00:09:14,233 JERUSALEM. 355 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:14,800 I DON'T WANT TO HARP ON THIS 356 00:09:14,866 --> 00:09:15,833 EITHER. 357 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:17,166 BUT THE ISRAELIS KILLED 13 358 00:09:17,233 --> 00:09:18,300 PEOPLE JUST NOW, YOU KNOW, 359 00:09:18,366 --> 00:09:19,466 INCLUDING MAYBE FIVE OR SIX 360 00:09:19,533 --> 00:09:19,800 CHILDREN. 361 00:09:19,866 --> 00:09:20,333 DO YOU CONDEMN THAT? 362 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,600 DO YOU CONDEMN THE KILLING OF 363 00:09:21,666 --> 00:09:23,433 CHILDREN? 364 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:24,133 >> SAID -- 365 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,033 >> I'M ASKING, DO YOU CONDEMN 366 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:27,133 THE KILLING OF PALESTINIAN 367 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,666 CHILDREN? 368 00:09:28,733 --> 00:09:29,933 >> OBVIOUSLY -- AND THESE 369 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,733 REPORTS ARE JUST EMERGING. 370 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:32,466 AND I UNDERSTAND -- I WAS JUST 371 00:09:32,533 --> 00:09:33,433 SPEAKING TO THE TEAM. 372 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:35,466 I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE 373 00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:36,033 INDEPENDENT CONFIRMATION OF 374 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:36,766 FACTS ON THE GROUND YET, SO I'M 375 00:09:36,833 --> 00:09:39,633 VERY HESITANT TO GET INTO 376 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:40,300 REPORTS THAT ARE JUST EMERGING. 377 00:09:40,366 --> 00:09:41,266 OBVIOUSLY, THE DEATHS OF 378 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:43,366 CIVILIANS, BE THEY ISRAELI OR 379 00:09:43,433 --> 00:09:44,566 PALESTINIANS, ARE SOMETHING WE 380 00:09:44,633 --> 00:09:46,933 WOULD TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. 381 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,500 >> John: HOLY SHIT, HE JUST 382 00:09:48,566 --> 00:09:49,600 ASKED YOU, "IS CHILD MURDER 383 00:09:49,666 --> 00:09:51,700 BAD?" 384 00:09:51,766 --> 00:09:52,433 THIS REALLY ISN'T HARD. 385 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:55,200 JUST SAY YES. 386 00:09:55,266 --> 00:09:56,366 THE ONLY SCENARIO IN WHICH THE 387 00:09:56,433 --> 00:09:57,566 ANSWER TO "IS KILLING CHILDREN 388 00:09:57,633 --> 00:09:59,266 WRONG?" GETS TRICKY IS IF YOU'RE 389 00:09:59,333 --> 00:10:00,533 A TIME TRAVELER IN 1890s 390 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:01,366 AUSTRIA TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHY 391 00:10:01,433 --> 00:10:02,633 YOU JUST KILLED THE HITLER 392 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:04,100 FAMILY'S BOUNCING NEW BABY BOY. 393 00:10:04,166 --> 00:10:06,200 "I KNOW HOW THIS LOOKS, BUT 394 00:10:06,266 --> 00:10:09,933 TRUST ME: IT IS COMPLICATED." 395 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,800 LOOK, THERE IS A REAL TENDENCY, 396 00:10:11,866 --> 00:10:14,133 PARTICULARLY IN AMERICA, TO 397 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,933 "BOTH SIDES" THIS SITUATION, AND 398 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,133 I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T 399 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,166 SOME AREAS WHERE THAT'S 400 00:10:18,233 --> 00:10:20,133 WARRANTED, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO 401 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:25,700 RECOGNIZE THERE ARE ALSO AREAS 402 00:10:25,766 --> 00:10:26,200 WHERE IT'S SIMPLY NOT. 403 00:10:26,266 --> 00:10:27,100 BOTH SIDES ARE FIRING ROCKETS, 404 00:10:27,166 --> 00:10:27,933 BUT ONE SIDE HAS ONE OF THE MOST 405 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:28,466 ADVANCED MILITARIES IN THE 406 00:10:28,533 --> 00:10:29,166 WORLD. 407 00:10:29,233 --> 00:10:30,566 BOTH SIDES ARE SUFFERING 408 00:10:30,633 --> 00:10:31,166 HEARTBREAKING CASUALTIES, BUT 409 00:10:31,233 --> 00:10:31,900 ONE SIDE IS SUFFERING THEM 410 00:10:31,966 --> 00:10:33,500 EXPONENTIALLY. 411 00:10:33,566 --> 00:10:34,800 AND IT'S NOT LIKE THE U.S. IS 412 00:10:34,866 --> 00:10:35,833 OPERATING FROM THE MORAL HIGH 413 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:36,566 GROUND HERE. 414 00:10:36,633 --> 00:10:38,733 IT'S OBVIOUSLY NO STRANGER TO 415 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,200 DRONE-STRIKING WEDDINGS AND 416 00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:41,333 SAYING, "WE WERE JUST TRYING TO 417 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,833 TARGET ENEMY COMBATANTS." 418 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:45,866 THIS COUNTRY HAS BLOOD ON ITS 419 00:10:45,933 --> 00:10:46,133 HANDS TOO. 420 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:46,933 AND LOOK, IF YOU BELIEVE 421 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,466 ISRAEL'S ACTIONS ARE WARRANTED 422 00:10:49,533 --> 00:10:50,200 AND PROPORTIONATE THIS WEEK, 423 00:10:50,266 --> 00:10:51,766 YOU'RE WELCOME TO TRY AND MAKE 424 00:10:51,833 --> 00:10:52,933 THAT ARGUMENT. 425 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,966 BUT WE'VE GOT TO START HAVING 426 00:10:55,033 --> 00:10:56,333 THIS CONVERSATION HONESTLY, AND 427 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,933 FALLING BACK ON CONVENIENT 428 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,800 SANITIZED TERMS LIKE 429 00:10:59,866 --> 00:11:01,433 "REAL ESTATE DISPUTES" AND 430 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:04,133 "AIR STRIKES ON MILITANTS" FEELS 431 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,800 DISINGENUOUS WHEN WHAT YOU'RE 432 00:11:05,866 --> 00:11:07,600 DESCRIBING IS "FORCING PEOPLE 433 00:11:07,666 --> 00:11:08,600 FROM THE HOMES THEY'VE LIVED IN 434 00:11:08,666 --> 00:11:10,000 FOR DECADES AND KILLING 435 00:11:10,066 --> 00:11:12,866 CIVILIANS AND CHILDREN." 436 00:11:12,933 --> 00:11:14,333 AND AGAIN, NONE OF THIS FREES 437 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,800 HAMAS FROM RESPONSIBILITY. 438 00:11:15,866 --> 00:11:17,400 BUT HAMAS DOESN'T REPRESENT ALL 439 00:11:17,466 --> 00:11:18,700 PALESTINIANS, JUST AS WHAT 440 00:11:18,766 --> 00:11:20,366 ISRAEL IS DOING RIGHT NOW 441 00:11:20,433 --> 00:11:22,533 DOESN'T REPRESENT ALL ISRAELIS, 442 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,600 OR INDEED JEWISH PEOPLE. 443 00:11:24,666 --> 00:11:29,733 LOTS IS COMPLICATED HERE, BUT 444 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:30,933 SOME THINGS ARE PRETTY SIMPLE. 445 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,933 ONE SIDE IS SUFFERING MUCH MORE. 446 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,400 AND IF AMERICA REALLY WANTS TO 447 00:11:35,466 --> 00:11:36,233 HELP, IT MIGHT WANT TO SERIOUSLY 448 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:37,233 CONSIDER CHANGING ITS LONG-HELD 449 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:38,033 POSITION HERE. 450 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:39,933 BECAUSE FOR DECADES, THE 451 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:40,733 BACKBONE OF AMERICA'S POLICY IN 452 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,700 THE MIDDLE EAST HAS BEEN THAT 453 00:11:43,766 --> 00:11:44,333 AMERICA IS AN UNWAVERING FRIEND 454 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,633 TO ISRAEL. 455 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:47,966 WHICH IS A GREAT THING TO BE, 456 00:11:48,033 --> 00:11:49,166 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I 457 00:11:49,233 --> 00:11:51,933 WOULD HOPE THAT A REAL FRIEND 458 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:52,933 WILL TELL ME WHEN I'M BEING AN 459 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,700 ASSHOLE AND DEFINITELY WHEN I'M 460 00:11:56,766 --> 00:11:57,933 COMMITTING A FUCKING WAR CRIME. 461 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,033 AND NOW THIS. 462 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:01,100 >> Announcer: AND NOW, 463 00:12:01,166 --> 00:12:05,866 ARI MELBER, RAP GENIUS. 464 00:12:05,933 --> 00:12:11,733 WILL JUST NOT FUCKING STOP. 465 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,266 >> GOOD EVENING, AS SMITH WOULD 466 00:12:15,333 --> 00:12:15,833 SAY. 467 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:19,466 >> ALL THIS CHASING. 468 00:12:19,533 --> 00:12:20,533 TO PARAPHRASE LAURYN HILL, HE 469 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,733 MAY THINK IS MORE POWERFUL THAN 470 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,900 TWO CLEOPATRA'S BUT HE IS STILL 471 00:12:23,966 --> 00:12:26,733 READY TO FLIP IT IN THE SWAMP ON 472 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,966 A DIRTY MATTRESS. 473 00:12:28,033 --> 00:12:30,466 THERE IS A LYRIC FOR THAT, 474 00:12:30,533 --> 00:12:32,033 MARGARET, WHICH IS JAY-Z SAID, 475 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:33,700 MAMA ALWAYS TOLD ME DON'T ARGUE 476 00:12:33,766 --> 00:12:35,000 WITH FOOLS BECAUSE PEOPLE FROM A 477 00:12:35,066 --> 00:12:37,833 DISTANCE CAN'T SEE WHO IS WHO. 478 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:40,833 I HATE THE NEW KANYE, THE BAD 479 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:44,433 MOOD KANYE, THE NEWS KANYE, I 480 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:45,233 MISS THE OLD KANYE. 481 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:47,633 WHEN I LOOK IN THE MIRROR, ALL I 482 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:53,133 SEE IS FALSE. 483 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,433 FLAWS. 484 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:56,366 I BELIEVE THERE'S A GOD ABOVE 485 00:12:56,433 --> 00:12:56,533 ME. 486 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,900 AND THAT TRUST THE GOD OF 487 00:12:58,966 --> 00:12:59,333 EVERYTHING ELSE 488 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,066 THAT'S PRETTY POWERFUL. 489 00:13:04,133 --> 00:13:05,733 IT WASN'T AT DRAKE WHO SAID, THE 490 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,866 GAME IS SOLD SEPARATE. 491 00:13:07,933 --> 00:13:09,900 ANOTHER W WAY TO PUT IT IS, IT 492 00:13:09,966 --> 00:13:11,566 STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM AND NOW 493 00:13:11,633 --> 00:13:12,333 WE ARE HERE. 494 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,733 >> YOU COULD PUT IT THAT WAY, 495 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:22,866 ARI, NOW WE -- YOU COULD. 496 00:13:22,933 --> 00:13:23,900 >> John: MOVING ON. 497 00:13:23,966 --> 00:13:24,533 OUR MAIN STORY TONIGHT CONCERNS 498 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:24,933 GUNS. 499 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,900 Y'KNOW, BIG PEW-PEW STICKS THAT 500 00:13:25,966 --> 00:13:28,400 GO BOOM-BOOM. 501 00:13:28,466 --> 00:13:29,433 GUNS ARE EVERYWHERE IN AMERICA, 502 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:29,966 AND I DO MEAN EVERYWHERE. 503 00:13:30,033 --> 00:13:30,600 >> HOW MANY GUNS DO YOU THINK I 504 00:13:30,666 --> 00:13:31,233 CAN HIDE UNDERNEATH A HAWAIIAN 505 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:31,433 SHIRT? 506 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:32,066 OF COURSE, WE GOT THE GRAY MAN. 507 00:13:32,133 --> 00:13:32,733 GOT MY BERETTA MODEL 85. 508 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,333 FEELS LIKE A KAHR ARMED CT45. 509 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,166 CHARTER ARMS UNDERCOVER .38 510 00:13:34,233 --> 00:13:34,466 SPECIAL. 511 00:13:34,533 --> 00:13:35,600 GRANDPA DAVE'S OLD DERRINGER. 512 00:13:35,666 --> 00:13:38,000 THIS IS A SCCY CPX-2. 513 00:13:38,066 --> 00:13:39,600 SMITH & WESSON 442. 514 00:13:39,666 --> 00:13:40,366 OH, WAIT! 515 00:13:40,433 --> 00:13:44,066 ONE MORE. 516 00:13:44,133 --> 00:13:45,500 NORTH AMERICAN ARMS SIDEWINDER 517 00:13:45,566 --> 00:13:46,300 .22 MAGNUM, JUST IN CASE YOU 518 00:13:46,366 --> 00:13:47,866 NEED SOMETHING SMALL. 519 00:13:47,933 --> 00:13:51,566 >> John: WOW. 520 00:13:51,633 --> 00:13:52,066 THAT IS THE SECOND-MOST 521 00:13:52,133 --> 00:13:53,066 HORRIFYING THING YOU CAN FIND 522 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,000 COMING AT YOU IN A HAWAIIAN 523 00:13:54,066 --> 00:13:55,300 SHIRT, RIGHT AFTER JOHN LASSETER 524 00:13:55,366 --> 00:13:57,233 ON "NATIONAL HUG YOUR BOSS DAY." 525 00:13:57,300 --> 00:13:58,600 ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY, THE REVEAL 526 00:13:58,666 --> 00:13:59,700 OF THE THUMBELINA-SIZED GUN IN 527 00:13:59,766 --> 00:14:00,333 HIS TOMMY BAHAMA POCKET WAS AN 528 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,033 M. NIGHT SHYAMALAN-WORTHY TWIST. 529 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:03,466 WELL DONE, TINY GUN. 530 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:04,533 YOU ARE BOTH SUPERFLUOUS AND 531 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:05,933 SURPRISING. 532 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,066 BUT THIS STORY ISN'T SO MUCH 533 00:14:08,133 --> 00:14:10,333 ABOUT GUNS THEMSELVES, AS IT IS 534 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,566 ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR LAW THAT'S 535 00:14:11,633 --> 00:14:12,900 SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDED HOW 536 00:14:12,966 --> 00:14:14,633 THEY'RE USED. 537 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:17,233 I'M TALKING ABOUT 538 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:19,266 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS. 539 00:14:19,333 --> 00:14:21,066 30 STATES CURRENTLY HAVE THEM. 540 00:14:21,133 --> 00:14:22,166 AND WHILE THEY WERE INITIALLY 541 00:14:22,233 --> 00:14:22,700 PITCHED AS A LAW-AND-ORDER 542 00:14:22,766 --> 00:14:23,333 MEASURE TO PROTECT PEOPLE FORCED 543 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,166 TO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS IN 544 00:14:25,233 --> 00:14:26,000 IMPOSSIBLE LIFE-OR-DEATH 545 00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:27,833 SITUATIONS, IN PRACTICE THEY CAN 546 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:29,466 BE INVOKED IN INCIDENTS THAT 547 00:14:29,533 --> 00:14:31,400 REALLY SEEM LIKE THEY DIDN'T 548 00:14:31,466 --> 00:14:32,866 NEED TO TURN DEADLY. 549 00:14:32,933 --> 00:14:34,366 >> THE MAN WHO SHOT AND KILLED A 550 00:14:34,433 --> 00:14:35,566 FATHER OF FOUR AT A FLORISSANT 551 00:14:35,633 --> 00:14:36,666 BAR IS FREE TONIGHT. 552 00:14:36,733 --> 00:14:38,133 SO FAR, THE GUNMAN'S NOT FACING 553 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,133 CHARGES FOR THE SHOOTING AT 554 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,000 SHOW-ME'S BAR AND GRILL. 555 00:14:42,066 --> 00:14:43,533 >> THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY 556 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,133 PROSECUTOR SAYS HE NEEDS MORE 557 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,966 TIME TO DECIDE WHETHER HE'LL 558 00:14:46,033 --> 00:14:46,500 PROSECUTE THE GUNMAN. 559 00:14:46,566 --> 00:14:47,300 THAT'S BECAUSE MISSOURI'S 560 00:14:47,366 --> 00:14:48,066 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW IS 561 00:14:48,133 --> 00:14:55,433 COMPLICATED. 562 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:56,033 SCOTT BEARY WAS KILLED WHEN 563 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:56,700 AN ARGUMENT OVER HOW HEAVY A DOG 564 00:14:56,766 --> 00:14:57,466 COULD WEIGH BECAME PHYSICAL. 565 00:14:57,533 --> 00:14:57,900 >> John: HOLY SHIT. 566 00:14:57,966 --> 00:14:58,733 NOT ONLY IS THAT A MASSIVE 567 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,900 OVERREACTION, IT'S A POINTLESS 568 00:14:59,966 --> 00:15:02,033 ARGUMENT. 569 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:03,500 EVERYONE KNOWS DOGS COME IN A 570 00:15:03,566 --> 00:15:04,800 WIDE ARRAY OF SIZES, FROM 571 00:15:04,866 --> 00:15:05,900 POCKET-SIZED SWEETIES TO 572 00:15:05,966 --> 00:15:07,400 SLENDER KINGS TO DENSE BOYS TO 573 00:15:07,466 --> 00:15:09,100 DROOPY BOYS TO BIG HONKIN' BOYS 574 00:15:09,166 --> 00:15:12,200 TO STANDARD. 575 00:15:12,266 --> 00:15:15,066 THAT'S JUST VETERINARY SCIENCE. 576 00:15:15,133 --> 00:15:15,666 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS GAINED 577 00:15:15,733 --> 00:15:16,633 NOTORIETY NEARLY A DECADE AGO 578 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:18,066 WHEN POLICE CLAIMED FLORIDA'S 579 00:15:18,133 --> 00:15:19,200 LAW KEPT THEM FROM INITIALLY 580 00:15:19,266 --> 00:15:20,200 ARRESTING GEORGE ZIMMERMAN AFTER 581 00:15:20,266 --> 00:15:22,600 HE SHOT AND KILLED 17-YEAR-OLD 582 00:15:22,666 --> 00:15:23,866 TRAYVON MARTIN. 583 00:15:23,933 --> 00:15:25,733 MORE RECENTLY, THEY'VE BEEN 584 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,933 FLOATED AS A POTENTIAL DEFENSE 585 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,133 FOR THE KILLERS OF AHMAUD 586 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,333 ARBERY. 587 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,066 AND THOSE ARE JUST TWO 588 00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:34,066 DEVASTATING EXAMPLES OF MANY. 589 00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:35,233 AND DON'T WORRY, WE'RE NOT GOING 590 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:36,333 TO SHOW YOU THE 591 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,200 FAR-TOO-PLENTIFUL FOOTAGE OF 592 00:15:37,266 --> 00:15:39,266 PEOPLE GETTING SHOT IN PUBLIC 593 00:15:39,333 --> 00:15:40,000 PLACES TONIGHT. 594 00:15:40,066 --> 00:15:40,666 FRANKLY, WE'RE JUST ONE 595 00:15:40,733 --> 00:15:41,666 SENSELESS MURDER AWAY FROM HBO 596 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:42,700 MAX PUTTING THIS SHOW IN THE 597 00:15:42,766 --> 00:15:43,733 "ENDLESS PARADE OF HUMAN MISERY" 598 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:44,466 CATEGORY ALONGSIDE "CHERNOBYL" 599 00:15:44,533 --> 00:15:45,900 AND "ENTOURAGE." 600 00:15:45,966 --> 00:15:47,500 BUT GIVEN THE PREVALENCE OF 601 00:15:47,566 --> 00:15:48,600 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS -- AND 602 00:15:48,666 --> 00:15:50,133 THE RACIAL DISPARITIES IN WHO 603 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,100 THEY DO, AND CRUCIALLY, DON'T 604 00:15:51,166 --> 00:15:51,966 PROTECT -- WE THOUGHT TONIGHT 605 00:15:52,033 --> 00:15:52,800 IT'D BE WORTH LOOKING AT THEM. 606 00:15:52,866 --> 00:15:53,500 AND LET'S START WITH WHY, 607 00:15:53,566 --> 00:15:54,833 EXACTLY, STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS 608 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,966 WERE CREATED. 609 00:15:58,033 --> 00:15:59,766 BECAUSE BEFORE THEY CAME ALONG, 610 00:15:59,833 --> 00:16:01,933 MOST STATES ALREADY HAD 611 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,066 SELF-DEFENSE LAWS ON THE BOOKS 612 00:16:04,133 --> 00:16:05,833 THAT TRADITIONALLY INCLUDED AN 613 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:08,833 ELEMENT KNOWN AS A "DUTY TO 614 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:09,833 RETREAT," MEANING YOU COULDN'T 615 00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:12,333 RESORT TO USING DEADLY FORCE IN 616 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,666 A CONFRONTATION IF YOU COULD 617 00:16:14,733 --> 00:16:16,233 SAFELY AVOID OR DE-ESCALATE IT. 618 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,366 NOW, IN MANY STATES, AN 619 00:16:18,433 --> 00:16:19,833 EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE WAS A 620 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:22,400 SO-CALLED "CASTLE DOCTRINE," A 621 00:16:22,466 --> 00:16:24,066 LEGAL THEORY ARGUING THAT YOUR 622 00:16:24,133 --> 00:16:25,833 HOME IS YOUR CASTLE, AND THERE, 623 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:27,866 YOU CAN USE DEADLY FORCE MUCH 624 00:16:27,933 --> 00:16:28,833 MORE BROADLY TO PROTECT YOURSELF 625 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:29,600 AGAINST INTRUDERS. 626 00:16:29,666 --> 00:16:31,200 THE KEY THING STAND-YOUR-GROUND 627 00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:32,300 LAWS DID WAS REMOVE THAT "DUTY 628 00:16:32,366 --> 00:16:34,533 TO RETREAT" FROM PUBLIC PLACES, 629 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,033 BASICALLY EXTENDING THE CASTLE 630 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:37,866 DOCTRINE TO ANYWHERE YOU HAVE A 631 00:16:37,933 --> 00:16:39,866 LEGAL RIGHT TO BE. 632 00:16:39,933 --> 00:16:41,133 IF YOU HAVE A "REASONABLE FEAR" 633 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,633 SOMEONE MIGHT HURT YOU, YOU HAVE 634 00:16:42,700 --> 00:16:44,133 JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO SHOOT THEM 635 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,300 IN THE STREET AS YOU WOULD IF 636 00:16:45,366 --> 00:16:46,333 THEY WERE COMING THROUGH THE 637 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,466 WINDOW OF YOUR HOUSE. 638 00:16:47,533 --> 00:16:49,800 AND THIS CHANGE WAS LARGELY 639 00:16:49,866 --> 00:16:51,266 THANKS TO THE ADVOCACY OF ONE 640 00:16:51,333 --> 00:16:52,200 WOMAN WITH A PRETTY COMPELLING 641 00:16:52,266 --> 00:16:53,566 STORY. 642 00:16:53,633 --> 00:16:55,633 >> MARION HAMMER SAYS SHE WAS 643 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:56,266 WALKING TO HER CAR AFTER A LONG 644 00:16:56,333 --> 00:16:58,233 DAY AT THE OFFICE WHEN SHE WAS 645 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:01,966 ACCOSTED BY A CAR FULL OF MEN. 646 00:17:02,033 --> 00:17:05,700 BUT SHE HAD A SURPRISE FOR THEM. 647 00:17:05,766 --> 00:17:07,133 >> I DREW THE GUN UP THROUGH THE 648 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,600 HEADLIGHTS OF THE CAR AND I 649 00:17:08,666 --> 00:17:10,466 AIMED AT THE DRIVER. 650 00:17:10,533 --> 00:17:14,066 AND SOMEBODY IN THE CAR 651 00:17:14,133 --> 00:17:16,733 SCREAMED, "THE BITCH GOT A GUN!" 652 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:22,333 >> John: "THE BITCH GOT A GUN." 653 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,700 I HONESTLY DID NOT EXPECT TO 654 00:17:23,766 --> 00:17:24,233 HEAR THAT COME OUT OF THAT 655 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:24,900 WOMAN'S MOUTH. 656 00:17:24,966 --> 00:17:25,600 "HELP YOURSELF TO SOME HARD 657 00:17:25,666 --> 00:17:26,466 CANDIES IN THE CERAMIC PIG"? 658 00:17:26,533 --> 00:17:26,766 ABSOLUTELY. 659 00:17:26,833 --> 00:17:27,333 "TAKE OFF YOUR BOOTS SO YOU 660 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:27,933 DON'T TRACK ANYTHING ONTO THE 661 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000 WALL-TO-WALL CARPETING"? 662 00:17:29,066 --> 00:17:29,433 OF COURSE. 663 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:30,400 BUT A CURSE WORD? 664 00:17:30,466 --> 00:17:32,066 IN THE DAYLIGHT? 665 00:17:32,133 --> 00:17:33,600 NOT IN 10,000 CONTRACTIONS OF 666 00:17:33,666 --> 00:17:35,100 THE UNIVERSE. 667 00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:36,233 BUT THE IMPORTANT PART OF HER 668 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:37,166 STORY CONCERNS WHAT SHE CLAIMS A 669 00:17:37,233 --> 00:17:38,533 POLICE CHIEF SAID TO HER AFTER 670 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,233 SHE'D TOLD HER STORY PUBLICLY. 671 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:44,200 >> THE POLICE CHIEF TOLD ME, 672 00:17:44,266 --> 00:17:45,866 "WELL, IN THAT SITUATION, IF 673 00:17:45,933 --> 00:17:46,600 YOU'D CALLED THE POLICE, WE'D 674 00:17:46,666 --> 00:17:49,866 HAVE ARRESTED YOU, BECAUSE YOU 675 00:17:49,933 --> 00:17:51,166 WERE THE ONLY ONE WHO EMPLOYED 676 00:17:51,233 --> 00:17:54,933 THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE." 677 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,700 AND THAT MADE ME ANGRY. 678 00:17:58,766 --> 00:17:59,966 >> John: AND THAT ARGUMENT IS 679 00:18:00,033 --> 00:18:01,666 THE ABSOLUTE CORE OF THE CASE 680 00:18:01,733 --> 00:18:02,800 FOR STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS -- 681 00:18:02,866 --> 00:18:04,166 THAT MARION HAMMER COULD HAVE 682 00:18:04,233 --> 00:18:05,200 BEEN ARRESTED FOR SIMPLY 683 00:18:05,266 --> 00:18:06,766 DEFENDING HERSELF. 684 00:18:06,833 --> 00:18:07,566 NOW, SHE WASN'T, OF COURSE. 685 00:18:07,633 --> 00:18:08,000 THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 686 00:18:08,066 --> 00:18:08,866 BUT SOMEONE SAID SHE MIGHT HAVE 687 00:18:08,933 --> 00:18:10,133 BEEN, AND THAT MADE HER ANGRY. 688 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,200 BUT A FEW THINGS. 689 00:18:12,266 --> 00:18:13,900 BECAUSE WHILE EVERYTHING ABOUT 690 00:18:13,966 --> 00:18:15,233 MARION HAMMER SEEMS LIKE A 691 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:16,066 SWEET, EVERYDAY GRANDMOTHER -- 692 00:18:16,133 --> 00:18:17,533 RIGHT DOWN TO THIS FELINE 693 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,200 GLAMOUR SHOT OF HER POSTED ON A 694 00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:21,100 CAT BREEDER'S WEBSITE -- YOU 695 00:18:21,166 --> 00:18:22,333 SHOULD KNOW SHE'S ALSO ONE THE 696 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,300 COUNTRY'S MOST POWERFUL GUN 697 00:18:23,366 --> 00:18:24,866 LOBBYISTS AND A FORMER PRESIDENT 698 00:18:24,933 --> 00:18:27,533 OF THE NRA. 699 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,166 SHE'S PERSONALLY HELPED PUSH 700 00:18:29,233 --> 00:18:33,200 THROUGH DOZENS OF GUN LAWS IN 701 00:18:33,266 --> 00:18:34,300 FLORIDA ALONE, INCLUDING A 1987 702 00:18:34,366 --> 00:18:35,900 BILL ALLOWING CONCEAL AND CARRY 703 00:18:35,966 --> 00:18:36,900 PERMITS -- A LAW THEN 704 00:18:36,966 --> 00:18:38,466 DUPLICATED, IN SOME FORM, IN 705 00:18:38,533 --> 00:18:40,300 ALMOST EVERY STATE, LEADING TO 706 00:18:40,366 --> 00:18:41,866 MORE THAN 16 MILLION AMERICANS 707 00:18:41,933 --> 00:18:43,600 CURRENTLY HAVING LICENSES TO 708 00:18:43,666 --> 00:18:44,733 CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS. 709 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,400 SO THAT MARGARITAVILLE ARSENAL 710 00:18:46,466 --> 00:18:47,500 YOU SAW EARLIER? 711 00:18:47,566 --> 00:18:48,700 YOU HAVE THIS DANA CARVEY 712 00:18:48,766 --> 00:18:49,833 CHARACTER TO THANK FOR THAT 713 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:52,900 SITUATION. 714 00:18:52,966 --> 00:18:55,466 AND WHILE IT'S NOT ENTIRELY 715 00:18:55,533 --> 00:18:57,100 RELEVANT, HAMMER'S ADVOCACY 716 00:18:57,166 --> 00:18:58,600 WASN'T LIMITED TO GUNS. 717 00:18:58,666 --> 00:18:59,733 SHE ALSO SUCCESSFULLY KILLED A 718 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:00,700 PETITION FROM 10,000 SCHOOL 719 00:19:00,766 --> 00:19:02,400 CHILDREN TO CHANGE THE FLORIDA 720 00:19:02,466 --> 00:19:03,866 STATE BIRD TO THE SCRUB JAY, A 721 00:19:03,933 --> 00:19:06,666 BIRD SO FRIENDLY IT APPARENTLY 722 00:19:06,733 --> 00:19:09,333 EATS PEANUTS OUT OF YOUR HAND. 723 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,066 SHE OBJECTED BECAUSE, IN HER 724 00:19:10,133 --> 00:19:11,533 WORDS, "BEGGING FOR FOOD ISN'T 725 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,233 SWEET," "IT'S LAZY AND IT'S A 726 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:13,800 WELFARE MENTALITY." 727 00:19:13,866 --> 00:19:15,933 AND "THEY EAT THE EGGS OF OTHER 728 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,766 BIRDS, THAT'S ROBBERY AND 729 00:19:16,833 --> 00:19:17,800 MURDER. 730 00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:19,600 I DON'T THINK SCRUB JAYS CAN 731 00:19:19,666 --> 00:19:21,000 EVEN SING." 732 00:19:21,066 --> 00:19:22,333 AND, OKAY, SLOW DOWN THERE, 733 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,200 MARION. 734 00:19:23,266 --> 00:19:24,033 SET ASIDE "LAZY," 735 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:25,600 "WELFARE MENTALITY," AND 736 00:19:25,666 --> 00:19:26,533 "ROBBERY AND MURDER," WHICH IS A 737 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,266 LOT TO PUT ON A BIRD. 738 00:19:29,333 --> 00:19:30,766 "SCRUB JAYS CAN'T SING"? 739 00:19:30,833 --> 00:19:34,833 YOU MIGHT WANT TO TELL THAT TO 740 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:35,966 THE SCRUB JAY, MARION. 741 00:19:36,033 --> 00:19:37,666 [BIRD CHIRPING] 742 00:19:37,733 --> 00:19:39,633 SEE? 743 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:40,400 THAT'S FINE. 744 00:19:40,466 --> 00:19:43,800 IS IT GREAT? 745 00:19:43,866 --> 00:19:44,766 NO, IT'S NOT GREAT. 746 00:19:44,833 --> 00:19:45,033 IT'S FINE. 747 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:45,766 THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. 748 00:19:45,833 --> 00:19:46,366 SURE, THE BIRD'S NO MARIAH, BUT 749 00:19:46,433 --> 00:19:46,900 IT'S ALSO NO ROSEANNE. 750 00:19:46,966 --> 00:19:47,633 IF THAT BIRD IS ANYONE, IT'S 751 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:48,233 FERGIE. 752 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:48,966 YOU HEARD ME. 753 00:19:49,033 --> 00:19:50,166 THE SCRUB JAY IS FERGIE. 754 00:19:50,233 --> 00:19:51,566 TWEET IT, TOK IT, PUT IT IN YOUR 755 00:19:51,633 --> 00:19:51,800 POCKET. 756 00:19:51,866 --> 00:19:52,533 I'VE MADE A FLIMSY TAKE AND I'M 757 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,000 PROUD OF IT. 758 00:19:55,066 --> 00:19:57,433 THE POINT IS, MARION HAMMER 759 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:58,433 PLAYED A BIG PART IN PASSING ONE 760 00:19:58,500 --> 00:19:59,966 OF THE COUNTRY'S FIRST 761 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:01,266 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS, IN 762 00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:01,533 FLORIDA. 763 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,033 AND THE PASSAGE OF THAT BILL WAS 764 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:04,000 IMMENSELY USEFUL TO THE NRA 765 00:20:04,066 --> 00:20:05,300 BECAUSE IT BECAME A MODEL FOR 766 00:20:05,366 --> 00:20:07,266 LAWS THEY COULD THEN PUSH AROUND 767 00:20:07,333 --> 00:20:08,133 THE COUNTRY. 768 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,333 WAYNE LaPIERRE OPENLY SAID AT 769 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,066 THE TIME THAT FLORIDA WAS THE 770 00:20:11,133 --> 00:20:12,200 FIRST STEP OF A MULTI-STATE 771 00:20:12,266 --> 00:20:13,200 STRATEGY, AND THEY WERE GOING TO 772 00:20:13,266 --> 00:20:14,366 USE THE TAILWIND TO MOVE FROM 773 00:20:14,433 --> 00:20:16,066 STATE LEGISLATURE TO STATE 774 00:20:16,133 --> 00:20:16,866 LEGISLATURE. 775 00:20:16,933 --> 00:20:19,866 AND THEY DID. 776 00:20:19,933 --> 00:20:20,933 JUST SIX YEARS LATER, 777 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,300 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS HAD 778 00:20:22,366 --> 00:20:23,933 PASSED IN 22 STATES. 779 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,866 AND WHILE, FOLLOWING THE KILLING 780 00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:26,766 OF TRAYVON MARTIN, THEY BECAME 781 00:20:26,833 --> 00:20:32,466 INCREASINGLY CONTROVERSIAL, 782 00:20:32,533 --> 00:20:33,366 STATES DID NOT STOP PASSING THE 783 00:20:33,433 --> 00:20:34,033 LAWS -- THEY JUST SLIGHTLY 784 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:34,433 SLOWED DOWN. 785 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:35,600 AND DENNIS BAXLEY, ONE OF THE 786 00:20:35,666 --> 00:20:36,300 STATE REPRESENTATIVES WHO HELPED 787 00:20:36,366 --> 00:20:37,066 DRAFT FLORIDA'S BILL, WAS 788 00:20:37,133 --> 00:20:38,100 ADAMANT THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE 789 00:20:38,166 --> 00:20:39,200 ROLLED BACK. 790 00:20:39,266 --> 00:20:40,233 >> WE SHOULD STAND BESIDE 791 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:42,500 LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS. 792 00:20:42,566 --> 00:20:43,933 THEY SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS A 793 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,333 CRIMINAL IF THEY'RE DOING 794 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,066 SOMETHING POSITIVE, WHICH IS 795 00:20:47,133 --> 00:20:48,866 STOPPING A VIOLENT ACT FROM 796 00:20:48,933 --> 00:20:49,566 OCCURRING. 797 00:20:49,633 --> 00:20:50,733 THERE ARE GONNA BE TIMES 798 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,400 WITH CLOSE CALLS NEAR THE 799 00:20:51,466 --> 00:20:52,033 FOUL LINE -- IS IT IN OR IS IT 800 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:52,433 OUT? 801 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:53,400 WHO'S THE ASSAILANT AND WHO'S 802 00:20:53,466 --> 00:20:54,233 THE VICTIM? 803 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,233 >> John: YEAH, THERE ARE GOING 804 00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:57,200 TO BE SOME CLOSE CALLS. 805 00:20:57,266 --> 00:20:57,833 IS IT IN OR IS IT OUT? 806 00:20:57,900 --> 00:20:59,333 IS IT RIGHT OR IS IT WRONG? 807 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,800 IS IT SELF-DEFENSE OR IS IT A 808 00:21:00,866 --> 00:21:02,233 MURDER PROVOKED BY A DEBATE 809 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:03,100 ABOUT HOW MUCH A DOG CAN WEIGH 810 00:21:03,166 --> 00:21:04,300 THAT TURNED PHYSICAL? 811 00:21:04,366 --> 00:21:06,366 WHO CAN SAY? 812 00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:09,900 NOT THAT GUY. 813 00:21:09,966 --> 00:21:11,366 AND THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE 814 00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:13,066 POINT HERE. 815 00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:14,066 THE WAY MOST STATES' 816 00:21:14,133 --> 00:21:14,700 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS 817 00:21:14,766 --> 00:21:15,733 ARE CONSTRUCTED, THEY CAN MAKE 818 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,333 DETERMINING QUESTIONS OF GUILT 819 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,500 INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT. 820 00:21:17,566 --> 00:21:18,866 BECAUSE IT ALL COMES DOWN TO 821 00:21:18,933 --> 00:21:20,433 PERCEIVED FEAR -- WHETHER YOU 822 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:21,833 LEGITIMATELY SAW SOMEONE AS A 823 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:22,433 THREAT -- AND THAT IS 824 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:25,200 DEFINITIONALLY SUBJECTIVE. 825 00:21:25,266 --> 00:21:26,966 WHAT I'M AFRAID OF -- SNAKES, 826 00:21:27,033 --> 00:21:28,800 CLOWNS, AND TILDA SWINTON -- 827 00:21:28,866 --> 00:21:30,433 JESUS CHRIST! -- MIGHT NOT BE 828 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:34,266 WHAT YOU ARE. 829 00:21:34,333 --> 00:21:35,733 AND IT'S MADE EVEN HARDER BY THE 830 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:44,100 FACT THAT OFTEN, THE ONLY OTHER 831 00:21:44,166 --> 00:21:45,633 PERSON WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED 832 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:47,300 IN THE INCIDENT IS DEAD. 833 00:21:47,366 --> 00:21:48,933 AND CITING "STAND YOUR GROUND" 834 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,666 AS A LEGAL DEFENSE HAS BEEN 835 00:21:50,733 --> 00:21:52,033 EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL. 836 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:53,066 IN FLORIDA ALONE, AS OF 2012, 837 00:21:53,133 --> 00:21:55,000 NEARLY 70% OF PEOPLE WHO CLAIMED 838 00:21:55,066 --> 00:21:56,300 IT AS A DEFENSE HAD GONE FREE. 839 00:21:56,366 --> 00:21:57,633 AND ADVOCATES FOR THESE LAWS 840 00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:58,900 WILL TELL YOU THAT'S A GOOD 841 00:21:58,966 --> 00:21:59,500 THING -- THAT BEFORE THEIR 842 00:21:59,566 --> 00:22:00,366 INTRODUCTION, GOOD PEOPLE WERE 843 00:22:00,433 --> 00:22:01,066 GETTING SENT TO JAIL ALL THE 844 00:22:01,133 --> 00:22:02,133 TIME SIMPLY FOR DEFENDING 845 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:02,466 THEMSELVES. 846 00:22:02,533 --> 00:22:03,466 BUT THEY NEVER HAD MUCH IN THE 847 00:22:03,533 --> 00:22:04,133 WAY OF ACTUAL EVIDENCE FOR THAT 848 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:04,733 BEYOND HYPOTHETICALS LIKE 849 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,666 MARION HAMMER'S STORY ABOUT HOW 850 00:22:05,733 --> 00:22:07,200 SOMEONE SAID SHE COULD HAVE GONE 851 00:22:07,266 --> 00:22:09,233 TO JAIL, BUT CRUCIALLY, DIDN'T. 852 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:10,533 SO STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS 853 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,600 WEREN'T REALLY FIXING A PROBLEM 854 00:22:11,666 --> 00:22:14,266 THAT NEEDED SOLVING. 855 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:15,200 AND THE DANGERS THEY POSED WERE 856 00:22:15,266 --> 00:22:16,566 PRETTY OBVIOUS TO SOME FROM THE 857 00:22:16,633 --> 00:22:18,366 START. 858 00:22:18,433 --> 00:22:20,766 WHEN GEORGIA WAS DEBATING A 859 00:22:20,833 --> 00:22:22,900 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW IN 2006, A 860 00:22:22,966 --> 00:22:24,000 LOCAL STATION ASKED PEOPLE IN 861 00:22:24,066 --> 00:22:24,600 THE STREET WHAT THEY THOUGHT. 862 00:22:24,666 --> 00:22:25,266 AND WATCH AS THEIR THIRD 863 00:22:25,333 --> 00:22:27,033 INTERVIEWEE REALIZES SOMETHING 864 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:28,066 THE FIRST TWO DON'T. 865 00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:31,300 >> I THINK IT'LL LOWER CRIME, 866 00:22:31,366 --> 00:22:32,700 MYSELF. 867 00:22:32,766 --> 00:22:34,233 'CAUSE A PERSON'S GONNA AND 868 00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:35,133 TWICE ABOUT RUNNING UP ON A 869 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,466 CITIZEN IF HE THINKS THAT 870 00:22:37,533 --> 00:22:38,133 CITIZEN'S ARMED. 871 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:38,866 >> IF YOU FEEL YOUR LIFE'S IN 872 00:22:38,933 --> 00:22:39,500 DANGER, I THINK -- I THINK IT'S 873 00:22:39,566 --> 00:22:39,966 A GOOD -- A GOOD LAW. 874 00:22:40,033 --> 00:22:40,600 >> I THINK IT'S GONNA GET A LOT 875 00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:40,966 OF PEOPLE HURT. 876 00:22:41,033 --> 00:22:42,100 >> WHY'S THAT? 877 00:22:42,166 --> 00:22:43,433 >> WELL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU WALKED 878 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:44,000 UP TO ME IN A PARKING LOT, I 879 00:22:44,066 --> 00:22:47,500 DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WERE. 880 00:22:47,566 --> 00:22:48,200 AND BY THIS LAW, IF I FELT THAT 881 00:22:48,266 --> 00:22:48,866 YOU THREATENED ME, I COULD HAVE 882 00:22:48,933 --> 00:22:49,433 JUST SHOT YOU RIGHT NOW. 883 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:49,866 YOU KNOW? 884 00:22:49,933 --> 00:22:51,433 I CAN'T -- THAT'S NOT RIGHT. 885 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:52,633 >> John: YEAH, THAT LAST GUY IS 886 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:54,000 COMPLETELY RIGHT. 887 00:22:54,066 --> 00:22:56,266 AND IN HINDSIGHT, MAYBE WE 888 00:22:56,333 --> 00:22:57,300 SHOULDN'T HAVE LISTENED TO THE 889 00:22:57,366 --> 00:22:58,133 MAN IN THE "PRIDE OF THE SOUTH" 890 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,533 HAT, THAT, BY THE WAY, FEATURES 891 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,900 A PORTRAIT OF ROBERT E. LEE OVER 892 00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:02,533 A CONFEDERATE FLAG. 893 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,200 THAT HAT ALONE SHOULD HAVE 894 00:23:03,266 --> 00:23:03,700 IMMEDIATELY DISQUALIFIED 895 00:23:03,766 --> 00:23:04,600 ANYTHING HE SAID. 896 00:23:04,666 --> 00:23:06,500 IT'S LIKE IF ANTHONY FAUCI WORE 897 00:23:06,566 --> 00:23:07,300 THIS BUCKET HAT THAT SAYS 898 00:23:07,366 --> 00:23:08,566 "DADDY" IN THE "SHREK" FONT. 899 00:23:08,633 --> 00:23:10,466 IF HE DID, YOU'D BE DUTY-BOUND 900 00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:15,300 TO IGNORE ANYTHING HE SAID. 901 00:23:15,366 --> 00:23:16,833 'CAUSE THE FACT IS, WE NOW 902 00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:17,833 KNOW, OVERALL, NOT ONLY DO 903 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:18,933 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS NOT DETER 904 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,200 CRIME, THEY MAY ACTUALLY 905 00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:22,533 INCREASE VIOLENCE. 906 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,800 IN STAND-YOUR-GROUND STATES, 907 00:23:23,866 --> 00:23:27,600 HOMICIDES OVERALL HAVE INCREASED 908 00:23:27,666 --> 00:23:28,733 NEARLY 11% SINCE THE LAWS' 909 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,166 ENACTMENT, WHEREAS IN STATES 910 00:23:30,233 --> 00:23:32,933 WITHOUT THOSE LAWS, THE HOMICIDE 911 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,566 RATE WENT DOWN BY JUST OVER 2%. 912 00:23:34,633 --> 00:23:35,466 IN FACT, ANOTHER STUDY FOUND 913 00:23:35,533 --> 00:23:36,900 SUCH LAWS TRANSLATE INTO AN 914 00:23:36,966 --> 00:23:40,233 ADDITIONAL 600 HOMICIDES PER 915 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:40,933 YEAR. 916 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,866 AND IF YOU'RE THINKING, "WELL, 917 00:23:41,933 --> 00:23:42,733 COME ON, YOU CAN'T DRAW A 918 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,866 STRAIGHT LINE BETWEEN THESE 919 00:23:43,933 --> 00:23:45,200 SPECIFIC LAWS AND PEOPLE'S 920 00:23:45,266 --> 00:23:47,100 ACTIONS" -- IN SOME CASES, YOU 921 00:23:47,166 --> 00:23:48,366 VERY MUCH CAN, INCLUDING ONE OF 922 00:23:48,433 --> 00:23:49,600 THE VERY FIRST STAND-YOUR-GROUND 923 00:23:49,666 --> 00:23:51,800 CASES IN TEXAS, THAT OF JOE 924 00:23:51,866 --> 00:23:55,000 HORN, WHO CALLED 911 TO REPORT A 925 00:23:55,066 --> 00:23:56,266 BURGLARY HAPPENING DURING THE 926 00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:57,833 DAY AT HIS NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR'S 927 00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:59,033 HOUSE. 928 00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:00,900 >> I'VE GOT A SHOTGUN. 929 00:24:00,966 --> 00:24:02,633 DO YOU WANT ME TO STOP HIM? 930 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:04,333 >> NOPE, DON'T DO THAT. 931 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,200 AIN'T NO PROPERTY WORTH SHOOTING 932 00:24:05,266 --> 00:24:06,966 SOMEBODY OVER, OKAY? 933 00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:08,400 >> JOE HORN SOUNDS CLEARLY 934 00:24:08,466 --> 00:24:12,433 UPSET. 935 00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:13,100 >> I AM NOT GONNA LET THEM GET 936 00:24:13,166 --> 00:24:13,733 AWAY WITH IT. 937 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,500 I CAN'T TAKE A CHANCE ON GETTING 938 00:24:14,566 --> 00:24:15,000 KILLED OVER THIS, OKAY? 939 00:24:15,066 --> 00:24:16,966 >> NO. 940 00:24:17,033 --> 00:24:18,600 >> I'M GONNA SHOOT. 941 00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:20,966 >> GONNA SHOOT. 942 00:24:21,033 --> 00:24:21,600 >> BUT THE 911 DISPATCHER WARNS 943 00:24:21,666 --> 00:24:22,400 HORN TO STAY INSIDE AT LEAST A 944 00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:22,866 DOZEN SEPARATE TIMES. 945 00:24:22,933 --> 00:24:23,500 >> AN OFFICER IS COMING OUT 946 00:24:23,566 --> 00:24:24,600 THERE. 947 00:24:24,666 --> 00:24:26,166 I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO OUTSIDE 948 00:24:26,233 --> 00:24:35,133 OF THAT HOUSE. 949 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:35,733 >> THEN HORN, SOUNDING ANGRIER 950 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,300 BY THE MOMENT, CITES THE NEW 951 00:24:36,366 --> 00:24:37,366 TEXAS LAW. 952 00:24:37,433 --> 00:24:38,100 >> I HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT 953 00:24:38,166 --> 00:24:38,600 MYSELF TOO, SIR AND YOU 954 00:24:38,666 --> 00:24:39,100 UNDERSTAND THAT. 955 00:24:39,166 --> 00:24:39,866 >> YES, YOU DO. 956 00:24:39,933 --> 00:24:40,166 YES, YOU DO. 957 00:24:40,233 --> 00:24:40,733 >> AND THE LAWS HAVE BEEN 958 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,333 CHANGED IN THIS COUNTRY SINCE 959 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,400 SEPTEMBER THE 1ST AND YOU KNOW 960 00:24:42,466 --> 00:24:43,033 IT AND I KNOW IT. 961 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:43,833 >> John: YEAH, JOE HORN KNEW 962 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:44,466 WHAT THE LAWS SAID, AND DESPITE 963 00:24:44,533 --> 00:24:45,066 THE DISPATCHER WARNING HIM NOT 964 00:24:45,133 --> 00:24:47,233 TO GO OUTSIDE 14 TIMES, HE DID 965 00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:48,833 JUST THAT AND KILLED TWO PEOPLE, 966 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:50,400 WITH AUTOPSY REPORTS LATER 967 00:24:50,466 --> 00:24:51,633 SHOWING THAT BOTH MEN APPEARED 968 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,200 TO HAVE BEEN SHOT IN THE BACK. 969 00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:55,900 HE WAS EXPLICITLY TOLD THAT 970 00:24:55,966 --> 00:24:56,933 PROPERTY IS NOT WORTH SHOOTING 971 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,766 PEOPLE OVER. 972 00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:02,200 WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY TRUE. 973 00:25:02,266 --> 00:25:03,966 AND CERTAINLY NOT YOUR 974 00:25:04,033 --> 00:25:06,300 NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. 975 00:25:06,366 --> 00:25:09,033 IF I FOUND OUT MY NEIGHBOR SHOT 976 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:10,400 AND KILLED TWO PEOPLE TO SAVE MY 977 00:25:10,466 --> 00:25:11,800 PS5, I WOULD MOVE TOMORROW. 978 00:25:11,866 --> 00:25:12,600 I KNOW THEY'RE HARD TO GET YOUR 979 00:25:12,666 --> 00:25:13,800 HANDS ON, BUT JESUS CHRIST, CALM 980 00:25:13,866 --> 00:25:15,766 DOWN. 981 00:25:15,833 --> 00:25:17,733 I DON'T WANT YOUR BLOOD CONSOLE. 982 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,633 AND THANKS TO TEXAS' NEW 983 00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:24,600 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS, JOE HORN 984 00:25:24,666 --> 00:25:25,200 WAS NEVER ARRESTED. 985 00:25:25,266 --> 00:25:25,866 AND ULTIMATELY, A GRAND JURY 986 00:25:25,933 --> 00:25:26,633 DECLINED TO EVER CHARGE HIM WITH 987 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:27,766 A CRIME. 988 00:25:27,833 --> 00:25:29,833 AND NOT ONLY WAS HORN SPARED ANY 989 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:31,933 CONSEQUENCES, HE WAS LATER 990 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,566 CELEBRATED AS A HERO. 991 00:25:33,633 --> 00:25:34,533 >> YOU HAD 911 ON AND YOU SAID, 992 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,066 I'M GONNA GO STOP THEM. 993 00:25:35,133 --> 00:25:35,666 YOU GOTTA GET HERE, I'M GONNA 994 00:25:35,733 --> 00:25:35,966 STOP THEM. 995 00:25:36,033 --> 00:25:36,600 THEY SAID, NO, NO, NO, DON'T GO 996 00:25:36,666 --> 00:25:37,166 OUT. 997 00:25:37,233 --> 00:25:38,733 YOU -- YOU STOPPED THEM. 998 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,766 THEY CAME TOWARDS YOU. 999 00:25:39,833 --> 00:25:41,066 YOU SHOT THEM, RIGHT? 1000 00:25:41,133 --> 00:25:41,533 >> YES, SIR. 1001 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,233 THAT'S CORRECT. 1002 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:47,766 [CHEERING] 1003 00:25:47,833 --> 00:25:48,633 >> John: OKAY. 1004 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:50,233 SET ASIDE THAT JOE HORN LOOKS 1005 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:51,400 LIKE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF 1006 00:25:51,466 --> 00:25:52,033 BOBBY HILL GREW UP AND SUCKED. 1007 00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:52,666 THE ONLY TIME IT'S APPROPRIATE 1008 00:25:52,733 --> 00:25:53,266 TO CHEER AFTER SOMEONE SAYS "YOU 1009 00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:53,900 SHOT THEM" IS IF YOU'RE TALKING 1010 00:25:53,966 --> 00:25:54,533 ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE 1011 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,833 FOR SHOOTING THIS VIDEO OF A 1012 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:56,700 FAMILY OF BEARS IN A SWIMMING 1013 00:25:56,766 --> 00:25:57,900 POOL. 1014 00:25:57,966 --> 00:25:59,000 QUESTION: "YOU SAW THE BEARS, 1015 00:25:59,066 --> 00:26:00,400 YOU HAD YOUR PHONE READY, AND 1016 00:26:00,466 --> 00:26:02,200 YOU SHOT THEM, RIGHT?" 1017 00:26:02,266 --> 00:26:02,733 ANSWER: "YES, SIR, THAT'S 1018 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,766 CORRECT." 1019 00:26:05,833 --> 00:26:06,366 CUE THE FUCKING APPLAUSE. 1020 00:26:06,433 --> 00:26:07,500 NO OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES. 1021 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:08,233 NONE. 1022 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:09,466 AND IF THESE LAWS ON THEIR OWN 1023 00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:11,866 WEREN'T BAD ENOUGH, THERE IS NOW 1024 00:26:11,933 --> 00:26:13,800 ALSO A SMALL COTTAGE INDUSTRY 1025 00:26:13,866 --> 00:26:15,633 THAT'S CROPPED UP AROUND THEM 1026 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,900 SELLING SPECIALIZED SELF-DEFENSE 1027 00:26:17,966 --> 00:26:19,866 LEGAL ASSISTANCE. 1028 00:26:19,933 --> 00:26:21,033 MOST OF THESE COMPANIES OFFER 1029 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:21,733 MEMBERSHIP PACKAGES INCLUDING 1030 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,300 EVERYTHING FROM EDUCATIONAL 1031 00:26:22,366 --> 00:26:22,866 TRAINING VIDEOS TO MONEY FOR 1032 00:26:22,933 --> 00:26:24,733 FUTURE LEGAL DEFENSE AND BOND. 1033 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,533 THE U.S. CONCEALED CARRY 1034 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,600 ASSOCIATION INSISTS IT'S 1035 00:26:26,666 --> 00:26:28,166 PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH 1036 00:26:28,233 --> 00:26:29,166 TEACHING CONFLICT AVOIDANCE, BUT 1037 00:26:29,233 --> 00:26:30,800 IT ALSO GIVES YOU A WALLET-SIZED 1038 00:26:30,866 --> 00:26:31,966 CARD WITH TIPS ON HOW TO HANDLE 1039 00:26:32,033 --> 00:26:34,433 THE CALL YOU MAKE TO POLICE 1040 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,033 AFTER YOU'VE SHOT SOMEONE, A 1041 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:37,433 HANDY FEATURE THEIR FOUNDER 1042 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:40,300 PROUDLY TOUTS TO MEMBERS. 1043 00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:42,333 >> THIS IS MY VERY OWN USCCA 1044 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:42,866 CARD. 1045 00:26:42,933 --> 00:26:43,600 YOU CAN SEE MY NAME ON IT, 1046 00:26:43,666 --> 00:26:44,766 TIM SCHMIDT, RIGHT ON THE BACK 1047 00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:46,133 OF THE CARD. 1048 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,833 IT ACTUALLY LISTS THE EXACT 1049 00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:47,700 INSTRUCTIONS FOR WHAT TO SAY TO 1050 00:26:47,766 --> 00:26:49,166 A RESPONDING OFFICER. 1051 00:26:49,233 --> 00:26:51,066 EXPLAIN I WAS ATTACKED, I FEARED 1052 00:26:51,133 --> 00:26:51,866 FOR MY LIFE, AND I HAD TO DEFEND 1053 00:26:51,933 --> 00:26:53,566 MYSELF. 1054 00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:54,966 >> John: OKAY, SETTING ASIDE THE 1055 00:26:55,033 --> 00:26:56,200 FACT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST 1056 00:26:56,266 --> 00:26:59,133 BORING EPISODE OF "SPORTSCENTER" 1057 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,533 IMAGINABLE, IT FEELS IMPORTANT 1058 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,333 TO POINT OUT THEY'VE ESSENTIALLY 1059 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,600 CREATED A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE 1060 00:27:02,666 --> 00:27:03,366 CARD. 1061 00:27:03,433 --> 00:27:04,566 AND THAT MIXED WITH THAT MAN'S 1062 00:27:04,633 --> 00:27:07,566 GET OUT OF JAIL FREE COMPLEXION 1063 00:27:07,633 --> 00:27:09,700 IS A PRETTY AWFUL COMBINATION. 1064 00:27:09,766 --> 00:27:11,700 AND AT LEAST ONE OF USCCA'S 1065 00:27:11,766 --> 00:27:12,900 CLIENTS APPARENTLY TOOK THE 1066 00:27:12,966 --> 00:27:13,866 ADVICE ON THAT CARD AND RAN WITH 1067 00:27:13,933 --> 00:27:15,233 IT: 1068 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,300 >> CARLOS GARCIA'S EX-WIFE, 1069 00:27:17,366 --> 00:27:19,100 YAILEEN AYALA, PAINTS HIM AS A 1070 00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:20,066 LOVING FATHER WHO WOULD DO 1071 00:27:20,133 --> 00:27:22,833 ANYTHING FOR HIS CHILDREN. 1072 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:24,200 SHE BELIEVES HE WAS INTOXICATED 1073 00:27:24,266 --> 00:27:25,233 WHEN HE SHOWED UP TO PICK UP HIS 1074 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:26,900 KIDS AND GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT 1075 00:27:26,966 --> 00:27:28,366 WITH THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR, 1076 00:27:28,433 --> 00:27:29,666 NICK JULIAN IV, OVER HIM PLAYING 1077 00:27:29,733 --> 00:27:32,233 LOUD MUSIC IN THE CAR. 1078 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:35,833 JULIAN ARMED HIMSELF WITH A 1079 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:37,466 HANDGUN AND SHOT GARCIA, HE 1080 00:27:37,533 --> 00:27:39,433 CLAIMS IN SELF-DEFENSE. 1081 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:40,333 NEIGHBORS CAME OUT AS JULIAN IV 1082 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,133 WAS ON WITH 911. 1083 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,933 >> 911, WHAT IS YOUR 1084 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,066 EMERGENCY? 1085 00:27:45,133 --> 00:27:46,100 >> YES, MA'AM, I JUST HAD A MAN 1086 00:27:46,166 --> 00:27:49,400 ATTACK ME IN MY FRONT YARD. 1087 00:27:49,466 --> 00:27:50,333 HE ATTACKED ME AND I HAD TO USE 1088 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,733 FORCE. 1089 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,066 I WAS AFRAID FOR MY LIFE. 1090 00:27:54,133 --> 00:27:55,100 >> John: YEAH, IT SEEMS ALL YOU 1091 00:27:55,166 --> 00:27:56,233 HAVE TO DO IS MEMORIZE A FEW KEY 1092 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,533 PHRASES AND YOU TOO COULD BE 1093 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,666 FREE TO SHOOT WITH IMPUNITY. 1094 00:27:59,733 --> 00:28:00,866 IT'S BASICALLY ROSETTA STONE FOR 1095 00:28:00,933 --> 00:28:02,600 JUSTIFIED HOMICIDES, BECAUSE 1096 00:28:02,666 --> 00:28:03,833 DURING HIS 911 CALL, NICK JULIAN 1097 00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:05,500 MADE SURE TO SAY THAT HE FEARED 1098 00:28:05,566 --> 00:28:07,933 FOR HIS LIFE THREE SEPARATE 1099 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,033 TIMES AND CAN ALSO BE HEARD 1100 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:11,100 REFERRING TO HIS WALLET AND 1101 00:28:11,166 --> 00:28:12,833 SAYING TO SOMEONE, "YOU JUST 1102 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,866 NEED TO CALL THEM, GIVE THEM THE 1103 00:28:14,933 --> 00:28:16,666 ACCOUNT NUMBER AND MY ATTORNEY." 1104 00:28:16,733 --> 00:28:18,033 AND BY THE TIME THE POLICE 1105 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:20,300 ARRIVED, HE WAS ALREADY ON THE 1106 00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:21,466 PHONE WITH THE U.S. CONCEALED 1107 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:26,133 CARRY ASSOCIATION SETTING UP HIS 1108 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,233 LEGAL DEFENSE BEFORE HIS VICTIM 1109 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:29,466 HAD EVEN BEEN DECLARED DEAD. 1110 00:28:29,533 --> 00:28:30,633 AND I KNOW IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE 1111 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:31,633 THESE LAWS ARE JUST A 1112 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:32,233 FREE-FOR-ALL TO SHOOT SOMEONE 1113 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:33,000 WHO SCARES YOU. 1114 00:28:33,066 --> 00:28:34,700 BUT THE TRUTH IS, THERE ARE SOME 1115 00:28:34,766 --> 00:28:35,833 LIMITS. 1116 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:36,900 AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHERE THIS 1117 00:28:36,966 --> 00:28:38,100 IS GOING. 1118 00:28:38,166 --> 00:28:38,966 BECAUSE WHILE MOST SHOOTINGS 1119 00:28:39,033 --> 00:28:39,633 INVOLVE PEOPLE OF THE SAME RACE, 1120 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:40,533 WHEN CASES INVOLVE SHOOTINGS 1121 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,600 ACROSS RACIAL LINES, THERE ARE 1122 00:28:41,666 --> 00:28:43,166 SIGNIFICANT DISPARITIES IN WHOSE 1123 00:28:43,233 --> 00:28:44,000 FEAR GETS BELIEVED. 1124 00:28:44,066 --> 00:28:46,233 BECAUSE THE ODDS A 1125 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,866 WHITE-ON-BLACK HOMICIDE WAS 1126 00:28:49,933 --> 00:28:51,333 DEEMED JUSTIFIED BY THE POLICE 1127 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,766 WERE 281% GREATER THAN THE ODDS 1128 00:28:52,833 --> 00:28:54,600 A WHITE-ON-WHITE HOMICIDE WAS. 1129 00:28:54,666 --> 00:28:57,433 AND THE EXPANSION OF 1130 00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:59,033 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS HAVE 1131 00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:59,733 APPEARED TO WORSEN THAT 1132 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,833 DISPARITY, A FACT THAT I'M 1133 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:01,833 PRETTY SURE WOULD SURPRISE 1134 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,966 EXACTLY TWO OF THESE THREE MEN. 1135 00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:06,533 NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THERE ARE 1136 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,100 MULTIPLE EXAMPLES WHERE YOU 1137 00:29:07,166 --> 00:29:07,966 WOULD THINK, IF EVER A 1138 00:29:08,033 --> 00:29:09,966 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW WOULD 1139 00:29:10,033 --> 00:29:11,666 APPLY, THIS WOULD BE THE CASE -- 1140 00:29:11,733 --> 00:29:13,633 AND YET, IT DIDN'T. 1141 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:15,833 TAKE SIWATU-SALAMA RA, WHO WAVED 1142 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:17,166 AN UNLOADED, REGISTERED GUN AT A 1143 00:29:17,233 --> 00:29:19,066 WOMAN WHO SHE BELIEVED WAS 1144 00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:21,333 TRYING TO HIT HER AND HER YOUNG 1145 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,066 DAUGHTER WITH HER CAR. 1146 00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:27,100 BUT EVEN THOUGH HER STATE OF 1147 00:29:27,166 --> 00:29:28,500 MICHIGAN HAS A STAND-YOUR-GROUND 1148 00:29:28,566 --> 00:29:30,400 LAW, AND EVEN THOUGH THAT 1149 00:29:30,466 --> 00:29:31,333 INCIDENT CLEARLY FALLS UNDER A 1150 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,100 REASONABLE DEFINITION OF 1151 00:29:32,166 --> 00:29:32,666 SELF-DEFENSE WITHOUT IT, AND 1152 00:29:32,733 --> 00:29:33,566 EVEN THOUGH SHE DIDN'T EVEN 1153 00:29:33,633 --> 00:29:34,200 SHOOT THE GUN BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT 1154 00:29:34,266 --> 00:29:35,600 WAS UNLOADED, SHE WAS 1155 00:29:35,666 --> 00:29:37,100 SENTENCED TO TWO YEARS ON THE 1156 00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:38,733 CHARGE OF USING A GUN TO COMMIT 1157 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,100 A FELONY. 1158 00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:41,566 AND WHILE, AFTER OUTCRY, SHE 1159 00:29:41,633 --> 00:29:42,866 WAS EVENTUALLY ABLE TO PLEAD TO 1160 00:29:42,933 --> 00:29:43,800 A LESSER CHARGE, THAT WASN'T 1161 00:29:43,866 --> 00:29:44,833 BEFORE SHE'D SPENT A YEAR IN 1162 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:45,866 PRISON. 1163 00:29:45,933 --> 00:29:47,466 AND SHE WAS PREGNANT AT THE TIME 1164 00:29:47,533 --> 00:29:48,833 AND WAS FORCED TO BIRTH IN 1165 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:50,900 SHACKLES. 1166 00:29:50,966 --> 00:29:52,466 SO DESPITE BEING INTRODUCED TO 1167 00:29:52,533 --> 00:29:53,800 INCREASE SAFETY, 1168 00:29:53,866 --> 00:29:55,633 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS ACTUALLY 1169 00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:57,666 INCREASE VIOLENCE. 1170 00:29:57,733 --> 00:29:59,233 AND GIVEN AROUND FOUR CENTURIES 1171 00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:00,933 OF HISTORY, BASING A LAW AROUND 1172 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,133 "WHO'S AFRAID OF WHO" WAS ALWAYS 1173 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,766 GOING TO BE DANGEROUS. 1174 00:30:05,833 --> 00:30:07,366 IT'S THE REASON OHIO STATE 1175 00:30:07,433 --> 00:30:08,366 LEGISLATOR STEPHANIE HOWSE STOOD 1176 00:30:08,433 --> 00:30:10,000 UP TO OPPOSE HER STATE PASSING 1177 00:30:10,066 --> 00:30:11,466 ITS STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAW BACK 1178 00:30:11,533 --> 00:30:13,066 IN 2018: 1179 00:30:13,133 --> 00:30:15,533 >> WHEN YOUR PRESENCE, WHEN YOUR 1180 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,866 BEING, YOUR BLACKNESS CAUSES 1181 00:30:18,933 --> 00:30:20,333 FEAR -- DO YOU HEAR WHAT I'M 1182 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,033 SAYING? 1183 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,966 I'VE BEEN IN THESE -- THESE 1184 00:30:24,033 --> 00:30:26,066 FLOORS WHERE I HEAR PEOPLE TELL 1185 00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:27,600 ME, "YOU KNOW PEOPLE SCARED OF 1186 00:30:27,666 --> 00:30:31,566 YOU." 1187 00:30:31,633 --> 00:30:33,666 IT'S PEOPLE I HAVE NEVER 1188 00:30:33,733 --> 00:30:35,300 INTERACTED WITH. 1189 00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:37,166 WHAT DO YOU DO IN PLACES AND 1190 00:30:37,233 --> 00:30:40,266 SPACES WHEN YOUR PRESENCE -- 1191 00:30:40,333 --> 00:30:41,900 LITERALLY YOUR FACE, YOUR FACE 1192 00:30:41,966 --> 00:30:42,600 CAUSES SOMEONE TO BE FEARFUL OF 1193 00:30:42,666 --> 00:30:43,366 YOU? 1194 00:30:43,433 --> 00:30:44,266 THIS IS A BAD IDEA FOR PEOPLE 1195 00:30:44,333 --> 00:30:46,833 THAT LOOK LIKE ME. 1196 00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:47,966 >> John: EXACTLY. 1197 00:30:48,033 --> 00:30:49,400 THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS 1198 00:30:49,466 --> 00:30:50,466 THAT MAKES THESE LAWS SO 1199 00:30:50,533 --> 00:30:51,400 DANGEROUS. 1200 00:30:51,466 --> 00:30:53,100 THEY CAN EXALT A WHITE PERSON'S 1201 00:30:53,166 --> 00:30:55,400 FEAR OVER A BLACK PERSON'S LIFE 1202 00:30:55,466 --> 00:30:57,300 AND ARE APPLIED SO UNEVENLY THAT 1203 00:30:57,366 --> 00:30:58,433 SIWATU-SALAMA RA GAVE BIRTH IN 1204 00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:59,733 SHACKLES WHILE THIS GUY GETS A 1205 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,866 FUCKING PARADE. 1206 00:31:02,933 --> 00:31:04,466 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS HAVE 1207 00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:06,266 CONTRIBUTED TO A SOCIETY WHERE 1208 00:31:06,333 --> 00:31:07,733 VIGILANTES WITH GUNS FEEL THEY 1209 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,100 HAVE TO RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT IS 1210 00:31:09,166 --> 00:31:09,966 SAFETY, WHO IS A THREAT, AND 1211 00:31:10,033 --> 00:31:11,033 WHAT THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE. 1212 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:12,900 THEY'VE TURBO-CHARGED EVERYTHING 1213 00:31:12,966 --> 00:31:14,200 FROM ROAD-RAGE INCIDENTS TO 1214 00:31:14,266 --> 00:31:15,933 POINTLESS DISPUTES OVER DOG 1215 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,266 WEIGHTS. 1216 00:31:21,333 --> 00:31:22,733 SO WHAT CAN WE DO? 1217 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,333 WELL, THE ANSWER IS ACTUALLY 1218 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:23,933 PRETTY SIMPLE. 1219 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,833 DON'T PASS ANY MORE 1220 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:25,500 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS AND 1221 00:31:25,566 --> 00:31:27,300 REPEAL THE ONES THAT DO EXIST. 1222 00:31:27,366 --> 00:31:28,233 THEY'RE REDUNDANT SOLUTIONS TO A 1223 00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:29,333 MADE-UP PROBLEM, AND THEY'RE 1224 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,600 ACTIVELY DOING HARM. 1225 00:31:31,666 --> 00:31:32,800 IN THE PAST YEAR, AT LEAST 14 1226 00:31:32,866 --> 00:31:34,400 BILLS HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED IN 1227 00:31:34,466 --> 00:31:35,600 FIVE STATES TO ROLL THEIR 1228 00:31:35,666 --> 00:31:36,900 STAND-YOUR-GROUND LAWS BACK. 1229 00:31:36,966 --> 00:31:38,200 AND IF YOU LIVE IN A 1230 00:31:38,266 --> 00:31:39,566 STAND-YOUR-GROUND STATE, 1231 00:31:39,633 --> 00:31:40,800 ESPECIALLY ONE WHERE THOSE BILLS 1232 00:31:40,866 --> 00:31:43,366 HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED, YOU SHOULD 1233 00:31:43,433 --> 00:31:46,033 ABSOLUTELY WRITE TO YOUR 1234 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,300 REPRESENTATIVES TO URGE THEM TO 1235 00:31:47,366 --> 00:31:49,733 REPEAL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 1236 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,833 AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, IF YOU 1237 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:52,733 LIVE IN FLORIDA -- OR, FUCK IT, 1238 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,000 ANY STATE -- IN THE INTERESTS OF 1239 00:31:55,066 --> 00:31:56,266 ANNOYING MARION HAMMER, MAYBE 1240 00:31:56,333 --> 00:32:00,033 ALSO DEMAND THEY MAKE YOUR STATE 1241 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:00,800 BIRD THE FLORIDA SCRUB JAY, SO 1242 00:32:00,866 --> 00:32:01,666 IT CAN DELIVER ITS FERGILICIOUS 1243 00:32:01,733 --> 00:32:03,100 VICTORY SONG. 1244 00:32:03,166 --> 00:32:06,766 [BIRD CHIRPING] 1245 00:32:06,833 --> 00:32:12,066 THAT'S A B-PLUS BIRD. 1246 00:32:12,133 --> 00:32:12,833 THAT BIRD IS FINE. 1247 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:13,733 THAT'S OUR SHOW. 1248 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,300 THANKS SO MUCH FOR WATCHING. 1249 00:32:15,366 --> 00:32:15,933 WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. 1250 00:32:16,033 --> 00:32:17,333 GOOD NIGHT. 1251 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:25,033 [BIRD CHIRPING]