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>> John: WELCOME, I'M JOHN

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OLIVER THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

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JOINING US IT HAS BEEN

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HURRICANE IAN BATTERED FLORIDA,

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A BUSY WEEK.

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MASSIVE PROTESTS CONTINUED IN

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IRAN, AND A FAR-RIGHT COALITION

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TOOK POWER IN ITALY.

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AND THE ONLY GOOD NEWS THERE IS

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THAT DOING AN OVER-THE-TOP

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ITALIAN ACCENT IS NOW.

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A NOBLE STRIKE AGAINST THE RISE

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OF FASCISM.

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BUT WE'RE GOING TO START IN THE

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UK, WHERE BRAND-NEW PRIME

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MINISTER LIZ TRUSS HAS BEEN

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FACING A COST-OF-LIVING CRISIS

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DUE TO HIGH ENERGY PRICES.

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SHE UNVEILED A NEW ECONOMIC PLAN

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LAST FRIDAY, ACCOMPANIED, FOR

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SOME REASON, BY A VIDEO WHERE

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STIRRING MUSIC ALMOST MANAGED TO

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DISGUISE AN UTTER LACK OF

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>> WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS ABOUT

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MAKING SURE THAT THE UNITED

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KINGDOM IS A SUCCESSFUL ECONOMY

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WHERE WE'RE GETTING MORE JOBS,

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MORE INVESTMENT.

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THIS IS A FANTASTIC COUNTRY WITH

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AND WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT IS

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UNLEASHING THOSE TALENTS, THAT

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ENERGY, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF

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OUR COUNTRY.

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>> John: FIRST, CHOOSE A CAMERA.

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YOU'VE GOT TWO THERE, AND YOU'RE

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LOOKING AT NEITHER OF THEM.

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SECOND, THAT MUSIC SOUNDS LIKE

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IT'S FROM "GENERICALLY INSPIRING

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VIOLIN FOR BULLSHIT POLITICAL

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HOSPITALS, VOL.

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HOSPITALS, VOL 2."

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AND FINALLY, "UNLEASHING TALENT

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AND ENERGY" IS COMPLETELY

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YOUTH TRACK COACH THAT'S FINALLY

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DECIDED TO GIVE THE TEAM

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TRUSS' PLAN, CONTROVERSIALLY,

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BOOST THE ECONOMY FOR EVERYONE.

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TRIED TO JUSTIFY, WITH ONE

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ARGUING THAT "A RISING TIDE

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LIFTS ALL SHIPS", AND SAYING

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POUNDS, YOU'RE GETTING A TAX CUT

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THE TOP END OF THE SCALE.

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>> YEAH.

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SO IF ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS THE

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DISTRIBUTIONAL IMPACTS OF THE

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PACKAGE IF YOU CARE MORE ABOUT

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THE POOR.

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>> John: WOW.

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IF YOU CARE MORE ABOUT THE POOR,

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THEN "YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE

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THAT SOUNDS LESS LIKE SOMEONE

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DEFENDING AN ECONOMIC PLAN AND

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MORE LIKE JEFF BEZOS DESCRIBING

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GREAT TO DESCRIBE YOUR CURRENT

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GOVERNMENT POLICY THE SAME WAY

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ADMISSIONS OR A RONALD REAGAN

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WERE PLUNGED INTO CHAOS, THE

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POUND HIT A RECORD LOW AGAINST

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THE DOLLAR, AND THE BANK OF

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ENGLAND WAS FORCED TO STEP IN TO

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PREVENT PENSION FUNDS

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MAKING MATTERS WORSE, TRUSS THEN

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DISAPPEARED FROM PUBLIC VIEW FOR

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DAYS, TO THE POINT THAT ONE

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BRITISH NEWSPAPER RAN WITH THE

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FRONT PAGE, "MISSING: HAVE YOU

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SEEN THIS PM?"

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AND ALL THIS WAS SUCH A FIASCO,

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MEMBERS OF HER OWN PARTY WERE

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>> AN AWFUL LOT OF

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TORY MPS ARE GOING "ROUND AND

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USING WORDS LIKE "RECKLESS' AND

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"MADNESS' TODAY.

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>> ANOTHER BACK BENCH

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MP, I'M SHELL-SHOCKED.

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ANOTHER SENIOR TORY

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BACK-BENCHER, I THOUGHT BORIS

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JOHNSON'S CABINET THE WORST IN

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HISTORY, THAT ONE'S JUST BEATEN

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>> THIS PERSON IS

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SAYING, "PEOPLE -- THAT'S

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CONSERVATIVE MPS -- ARE NOW

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ASKING, "HOW DO WE GET RID OF

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TIPTOE AROUND THIS, BUT WE'RE

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JUST HEARING FROM A FORMER TORY

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MINISTER AND CONSERVATIVE MP

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SAYING, "LIZ IS,' I CAN'T USE

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THE WORD.

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'SHE IS,' SAME WORD AGAIN.

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AND REMEMBER: SHE TOOK OFFICE

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LESS THAN A MONTH AGO!

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THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO EXPERIENCE A

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THAT ARE PRAYING MANTISES.

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BUT I'M INTRIGUED BY THIS ANCHOR

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MIDDLE OF A BROADCAST.

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"JUST RECEIVED A TEXT HERE, IT'S

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FROM MY FRIEND DANIELLE.

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"DO YOU WANT TO GO SEE "BULLET

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TRAIN" TOMORROW?

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ME AND PETER ARE GOING, WE MIGHT

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INVITE TRISH, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S

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A BIT OF A -- OOP!

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SPECTACULAR START TO THE LIZ

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SCALE OF WHAT SHE JUST DID INTO

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>> AND NOW, SHOPPING NETWORKS

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DEATH THE ONLY WAY THEY KNOW

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QUEEN ELIZABETH JUST PAST BUT

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THIS ROYAL PURPLE, THERE IS AN

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>> THE THING ABOUT

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QUEEN ELIZABETH, SHE HAD SOMEONE

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WHO WORE THEIR SHOES BEFORE SHE

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>> OUR MAIN STORY

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TONIGHT CONCERNS

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ANTIQUITIES.

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RELICS FROM BYGONE TIMES THAT

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CAN TELL US STORIES ABOUT PEOPLE

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ONE EXAMPLE: IF YOU GO TO

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GREECE, YOU MIGHT GO TO THE

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ACROPOLIS MUSEUM.

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AND WHILE YOU'RE MARVELING AT

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SCULPTURES THAT ARE OVER TWO

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MILLENNIA OLD, YOU MIGHT NOTICE

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SOME ODD DETAILS, LIKE THIS

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SCULPTURE, WHICH APPEARS TO HAVE

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A WHITE FOOT, OR THIS ONE, WHERE

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SOMEONE'S WHOLE UPPER HALF SEEMS

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TO BE SUDDENLY AND

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OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE.

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IT'S WHAT'S KNOWN IN THE ART

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WORLD AS "SEASON 2 OF THE WIRE."

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WELL, THERE'S AN EXPLANATION FOR

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WHERE THOSE MISSING PIECES ARE.

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AND AS A BRITISH PERSON, I'M A

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LITTLE BIT IMPLICATED.

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ORIGINAL WHEREAS THE WHITE

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PLASTER, THAT REPRESENTS WHAT'S

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>> AND HERE IT IS IN THE BRITISH

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THE MISSING MARBLE HEAD AND

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CHEST FLOATING IN A DISPLAY

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SPACE.

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>> John: YEAH!

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WE TOOK IT.

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HONESTLY, IF YOU'RE EVER

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LOOKING FOR A MISSING ARTIFACT?

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NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN IT'S IN

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THE BRITISH MUSEUM.

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IT'S BASICALLY THE WORLD'S

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LARGEST "LOST & FOUND", WITH

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BOTH "LOST" AND "FOUND" IN THE

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HEAVIEST POSSIBLE QUOTATION

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MARKS.

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LONG KNOWN IN ENGLAND AS "THE

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ELGIN MARBLES" -- WERE TAKEN BY

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LORD ELGIN, A 19TH-CENTURY

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BRITISH LORD WHO HACKED THEM OFF

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THE PARTHENON.

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IT'S SOMETHING THE GREEKS ARE

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UNDERSTANDABLY FURIOUS ABOUT.

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BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T LOST, THEY

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WERE TAKEN.

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WHICH IS WORSE.

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IT'S LIKE BEING UNABLE TO FIND

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THE LAST PUZZLE PIECE, AND

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LEARNING THAT YOU DIDN'T

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ACTUALLY MISPLACE IT -- A

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BRITISH EARL SNUCK INTO YOUR

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HOUSE, STOLE IT, AND THEN SOLD

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IT TO A MUSEUM OVER A THOUSAND

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MILES AWAY.

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GREECE HAS BEEN DEMANDING THE

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RETURN OF THE "ELGIN MARBLES"

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FOR DECADES NOW, BUT THE

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RESPONSE FROM SOME OF THE

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BRITISH MUSEUM'S DEFENDERS HAS

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BEEN -- EVEN BY BRITISH

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STANDARDS -- UNBELIEVABLY

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PATRONIZING.

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>> ONE CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT

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RETURNING THE ELGIN MARBLES TO

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ATHENS UNTIL THE GREEKS START

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CARING FOR WHAT THEY ALREADY

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HAVE.

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I'M SURE THEY'D TAKE GREAT CARE

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OF THE PARTHENON SCULPTURES IF

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THEY WERE RETURNED.

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BUT IF YOU KNEW A WOMAN WAS

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ABUSING HER CHILD, YOU WOULDN'T

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LET HER ADOPT ANOTHER.

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AND THAT'S WHAT THE GREEKS ARE

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ASKING FOR.

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>> John: WHAT?

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ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT OMITS THE

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FACT THAT THE "WOMAN'S CHILD" IN

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THIS EXAMPLE WAS BASICALLY

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KIDNAPPED.

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SO IT'S LESS A WOMAN ASKING TO

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ADOPT ANOTHER CHILD THAN IT IS

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HER DEMANDING THE RETURN OF HER

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FIRST ONE.

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AND LOOK: THE ELGIN MARBLES

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SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE RETURNED TO

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GREECE.

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EVAN THAT WOMAN YOU JUST SAW,

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NOW SAYS

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SHE THINKS THEY SHOULD GO BACK.

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BUT THOSE MARBLES ARE JUST THE

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TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

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THE FACT IS, ANTIQUITIES,

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LARGELY FROM THE GLOBAL SOUTH,

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WHICH INCLUDES LATIN AMERICA,

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AFRICA, ASIA, AND THE MIDEAST,

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HAVE BEEN TAKEN AND ENSHRINED IN

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EUROPEAN AND AMERICAN MUSEUMS ON

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A LARGER SCALE THAN YOU MAY

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REALIZE.

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IN 2018, A REPORT COMMISSIONED

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BY THE FRENCH PRESIDENT FOUND

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THAT OVER NINETY PERCENT OF ALL

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AFRICA'S CULTURAL HERITAGE IS

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HELD OUTSIDE AFRICA BY MAJOR

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MUSEUMS.

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BUT AS THE VOICES ARGUING FOR

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ANTIQUITIES TO BE RETURNED ARE

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GETTING LOUDER, OTHERS ARE

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RESISTING ANY CHANGE.

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IN 2010, WHEN ASKED WHETHER THE

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U-K WOULD EVER RETURN THE

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KOH-I-NOOR DIAMOND TO INDIA,

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PRIME MINISTER DAVID CAMERON

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REFUSED, SAYING, "IF YOU SAY YES

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TO ONE, YOU SUDDENLY FIND THE

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BRITISH MUSEUM WOULD BE EMPTY."

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WHICH IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.

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IT'S FRANKLY NO WONDER THAT SOME

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ARE NOW TAKING MATTERS INTO

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THEIR OWN HANDS.

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>> IN JUNE, A CONGOLESE ACTIVIST

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REMOVED A 19TH CENTURY CHADIAN

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FUNERAL POLE FROM THE QUAI

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BRANLY MUSEUM IN PARIS AS PART

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OF A PROTEST CAMPAIGN AGAINST

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PLUNDERING DURING THE COLONIAL

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ERA."

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>> John: YEAH!

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OBVIOUSLY THAT MAN WAS UNAWARE

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OF THE MUSEUM'S VERY CLEAR

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POLICY, "NO STEALING AFRICAN

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ANTIQUITIES, STARTING

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'NOW.'" SO GIVEN JUST HOW MANY

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ANTIQUITIES IN SOME OF THE

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WORLD'S MOST PRESTIGIOUS MUSEUMS

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ARE ESSENTIALLY STOLEN GOODS,

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TONIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT

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MUSEUMS.

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THIS IS GOING TO BE A LARGER

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STORY THAN NORMAL, AND WE'RE

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GOING TO DO IT IN TWO MAIN PARTS

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-- FIRST, CONCERNING HOW

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ANTIQUITIES ENDED UP IN MUSEUMS

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IN THE PAST.

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AND THEN, ABOUT THE THRIVING

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MODERN MARKET THAT KEEPS THEM

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SUPPLIED WITH OBJECTS TO THIS

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DAY.

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AND LOOK -- WE DON'T HAVE TIME

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TO RECAP THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF

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COLONIALISM AND THE PLUNDER OF

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ANTIQUITIES.

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THERE ARE SO MANY STOLEN

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ARTIFACTS WE COULD TALK ABOUT --

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FROM THE TREASURES OF TIPU

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SULTAN, TO THE ZODIAC OF

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DENDERA.

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BUT IN ORDER TO SAY A LOT IN A

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LITTLE, LET'S STAY WITH THE

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BRITISH MUSEUM.

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IN ITS OWN PROMOTIONAL

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MATERIALS, IT MAKES A FEATURE OF

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JUST HOW IMPORTANT AND

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INFLUENTIAL ITS FOUNDING WAS.

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>> IN JANUARY 1759, THE BRITISH

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MUSEUM OPENED ITS DOORS, THE

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FIRST NATIONAL PUBLIC MUSEUM OF

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THE WORLD.

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INITIALLY, THE OBJECTS WERE

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BASED ON THE FOUNDING COLLECTION

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OF SIR HANS SLOANE.

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AND THIS IS HANS SLOANE,

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SCHOLAR, ENTREPRENEUR,

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PHYSICIAN, WHO WAS CONNECTED

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WITH THE BEST MINDS OF HIS TIME.

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IN FACT, OUR COLLECTION HAS

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ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CONNECTING

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PEOPLE.

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>> John: OKAY, FIRST, I'M GOING

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TO SAY WHAT WE'RE ALL THINKING:

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THAT GUY'S DEFINITELY GOOGLED

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"COULD NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM

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ACTUALLY HAPPEN."

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NOT BECAUSE HE'S SCARED OF A BIG

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BONY DINOSAUR CHASING HIM, BUT

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BECAUSE WHEN NO ONE'S AROUND, HE

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"DEFINITELY" FUCKS THE ART AND

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DOESN'T WANT ANY OF IT TALKING.

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BUT THAT NOTION OF MUSEUMS AS A

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PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO CONNECT WITH

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OUR SHARED HISTORY, AND WITH

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CULTURES ALL OVER THE WORLD,

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CLEARLY ISN'T FUNDAMENTALLY BAD.

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BUT IT'S ALSO NOT WHOLLY

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REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACTUAL

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HISTORY OF HOW MANY MUSEUMS CAME

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TO BE.

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FOR INSTANCE: HANS SLOANE -- WHO

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ON HIS BEST DAY, LOOKED LIKE

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THAT -- HAD SOME INTERESTING

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"CONNECTIONS" OF HIS OWN.

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SPECIFICALLY, THE FACT HE WAS

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MARRIED TO AN HEIRESS TO SUGAR

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PLANTATIONS IN JAMAICA, WORKED

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BY ENSLAVED PEOPLE, AND BOUGHT

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MANY OBJECTS IN HIS COLLECTION

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WITH THAT WEALTH.

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MEANING THE MUSEUM'S VERY

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FOUNDATIONS ARE INEXTRICABLY

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TIED UP IN SLAVERY AND

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COLONIALISM, WITH THE SAME BEING

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TRUE OF MANY OF ITS MOST PRIZED

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HOLDINGS.

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TAKE THE BENIN BRONZES, A TERM

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THAT REFERS TO A HUGE RANGE OF

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OBJECTS PRODUCED IN THE

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"KINGDOM" OF BENIN, WHICH IS

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CURRENTLY PART OF MODERN-DAY

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NIGERIA.

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THE BENIN BRONZES WERE LOOTED

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FROM THE PALACE OF THE KING OF

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BENIN, OR THE "OBA", IN 1897,

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AFTER THE BRITISH MILITARY

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INVADED AND VIOLENTLY TOPPLED

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HIM.

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THAT MISSION WAS VINDICTIVE AND

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DESTRUCTIVE -- BUT ALSO

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EXTREMELY TARGETED.

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>> THE BRITISH SOLDIERS, ARMED

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WITH MACHINE GUNS, CONQUERED THE

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CITY AND BURNED IT TO THE

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GROUND.

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BUT NOT BEFORE CAREFULLY TAKING

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THOUSANDS OF ARTIFACTS.

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THEY PILED THEM UP NEATLY,

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PHOTOGRAPHED THEM, AND EVEN

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LABELED THEM "LOOT."

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THIS PHOTO, TAKEN AT THE BENIN

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PALACE AFTER THE RAID, SHOWS

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SOLDIERS WITH THE DISMANTLED

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PLAQUES THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE

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BRITISH MUSEUM, AND SOLD ALL

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OVER THE WORLD.

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>> John: OKAY, FIRST, THAT'S

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AWFUL.

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BUT SECOND: IT'S PRETTY

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REMARKABLE THAT A BRITISH

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SOLDIER WENT TO THE TROUBLE OF

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CAREFULLY LABELLING EACH OF

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THOSE PHOTOS, AND THE CAPTIONS

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HE USED WERE "LOOT" AND "MORE

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LOOT."

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AT THE VERY LEAST, HE COULD'VE

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CHOSEN SOMETHING DESCRIPTIVE,

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LIKE, "DAN, TERRY, AND I AFTER

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DOING CULTURAL GENOCIDE."

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BUT THE LOOTING OF THE BENIN

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BRONZES WASN'T JUST A PHYSICAL

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LOSS -- IT WAS A CULTURAL AND

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HISTORICAL ONE.

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TAKE THESE PLAQUES.

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THEY'RE NOT JUST PIECES OF ART.

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THEY'RE SOMETHING MUCH MORE

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IMPORTANT, AS THIS MEMBER OF THE

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BENIN ROYAL FAMILY EXPLAINED.

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>> THOSE THINGS ARE LIKE OUR OWN

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DIARIES.

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WHATEVER WAS SIGNIFICANT, THE

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OBA WOULD TELL THE GUILD OF

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BRONZECASTERS TO CAST IT IN

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BRONZE.

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TO KEEP A RECORD.

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SO TAKING THEM AWAY WAS LIKE

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YANKING OFF PAGES OF OUR

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HISTORY.

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>> John: RIGHT -- FOR THE PEOPLE

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OF BENIN, THESE WERE THEIR

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MEMORIES MADE PHYSICAL.

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AND THESE PLAQUES WERE LAID OUT

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IN A VERY SPECIFIC ORDER, WHICH

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WAS THEN LOST WHEN THE BRITISH

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TORE THEM FROM THE PALACE WALLS.

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MEANING THE BRITISH IN EFFECT

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STOLE AND SCRAMBLED A NATION'S

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MEMORIES, A CRIME SO FUCKED UP,

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EVEN BLACK MIRROR HASN'T THOUGHT

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OF IT YET.

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NOW, THE BRITISH MUSEUM STILL

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HOLDS MORE BRONZES THAN ANYWHERE

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ELSE, BUT THEY'RE ALL SCATTERED

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AMONG 161 MUSEUMS AND

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INSTITUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD,

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WITH ONLY NINE SUCH INSTITUTIONS

517
00:14:06,111 --> 00:14:06,478
LOCATED IN NIGERIA.

518
00:14:06,545 --> 00:14:07,379
AND UNDERSTANDABLY, THERE'VE

519
00:14:07,446 --> 00:14:08,514
BEEN CALLS FOR THE RETURN OF THE

520
00:14:08,581 --> 00:14:09,815
BRONZES FOR DECADES NOW -- AND A

521
00:14:09,882 --> 00:14:11,717
HANDFUL OF MUSEUMS HAVE COMPLIED

522
00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:15,254
-- BUT THE BRITISH MUSEUM HAS

523
00:14:15,321 --> 00:14:17,156
REPEATEDLY REFUSED, CONSISTENTLY

524
00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:18,691
POINTING TO THE BRITISH MUSEUM

525
00:14:18,757 --> 00:14:20,359
ACT OF 1963, WHICH EXPLICITLY

526
00:14:20,426 --> 00:14:21,961
FORBIDS IT FROM GIVING AN ITEM

527
00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:23,629
IN ITS COLLECTION AWAY, WITH

528
00:14:23,696 --> 00:14:25,364
VERY LIMITED EXCEPTIONS.

529
00:14:25,431 --> 00:14:26,599
AND THE THING IS, THAT LAW DOES

530
00:14:26,665 --> 00:14:28,400
EXIST.

531
00:14:28,467 --> 00:14:30,236
BUT LAWS CAN BE CHANGED IF YOU

532
00:14:30,302 --> 00:14:32,504
WANT TO.

533
00:14:32,571 --> 00:14:33,772
AND THE MORE YOU HEAR BRITISH

534
00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:34,773
OFFICIALS TALK, THE CLEARER IT

535
00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:35,708
BECOMES THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT

536
00:14:35,774 --> 00:14:39,245
THEY WANT AT ALL.

537
00:14:39,311 --> 00:14:41,547
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THEY

538
00:14:41,614 --> 00:14:42,147
PROPERLY RESIDE IN THE BRITISH

539
00:14:42,214 --> 00:14:44,083
MUSEUM.

540
00:14:44,149 --> 00:14:45,851
THE COLLECTIONS OF OUR GREAT

541
00:14:45,918 --> 00:14:47,653
NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS HAVE BEEN

542
00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:48,787
DEVELOPED OVER MANY, MANY

543
00:14:48,854 --> 00:14:50,623
CENTURIES, IN MANY TIMES, IN

544
00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:53,759
QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES.

545
00:14:53,826 --> 00:14:55,861
I THINK THE QUESTION NOW IS

546
00:14:55,928 --> 00:14:57,563
ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH THESE.

547
00:14:57,630 --> 00:14:59,698
I LOVE THE BENIN BRONZES.

548
00:14:59,765 --> 00:15:00,833
I'VE SEEN THEM MANY TIMES

549
00:15:00,899 --> 00:15:02,301
THROUGHOUT MY LIFE, AND I THINK

550
00:15:02,368 --> 00:15:04,403
THEM BEING IN THE BRITISH

551
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:06,105
MUSEUM, WHICH IS A WORLD

552
00:15:06,171 --> 00:15:06,839
REPOSITORY OF HERITAGE, ALLOWS

553
00:15:06,905 --> 00:15:08,641
PEOPLE TO SEE IT.

554
00:15:08,707 --> 00:15:10,209
>> John: YEAH, THAT OFFENSIVELY

555
00:15:10,276 --> 00:15:12,044
ENGLISH MAN "LOVES" THE BENIN

556
00:15:12,111 --> 00:15:13,412
BRONZES.

557
00:15:13,479 --> 00:15:15,047
AND WHILE I'M SO GLAD THAT

558
00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:16,515
OLIVER JAMES DOWDEN, M-P FOR

559
00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:17,850
HERTSMERE, HAS SEEN THEM "MANY

560
00:15:17,916 --> 00:15:20,085
TIMES THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE," THE

561
00:15:20,152 --> 00:15:22,388
FACT IS, NOT EVERYONE GETS TO DO

562
00:15:22,454 --> 00:15:23,722
THAT, AS THIS NIGERIAN ARTIST

563
00:15:23,789 --> 00:15:26,058
AND ART HISTORIAN WILL ATTEST.

564
00:15:26,125 --> 00:15:27,993
>> 1995.

565
00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:31,030
IN LONDON.

566
00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:35,234
THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME OF SEEING

567
00:15:35,301 --> 00:15:39,305
AN ORIGINAL, UH, ANCIENT BENIN

568
00:15:39,371 --> 00:15:40,706
ARTWORK, WAS, YES, AT A BRITISH

569
00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:41,907
MUSEUM.

570
00:15:41,974 --> 00:15:43,442
TO SEE, FOR THE FIRST TIME,

571
00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:46,845
THESE OBJECTS- IT WAS A MIXTURE

572
00:15:46,912 --> 00:15:50,783
OF PRIDE IN THE ACHIEVEMENT OF

573
00:15:50,849 --> 00:15:53,419
THESE ANCIENT ARTISTS, AND ANGER

574
00:15:53,485 --> 00:15:55,020
MIXED WITH A SENSE OF LOSS.

575
00:15:55,087 --> 00:15:56,889
MOST NIGERIANS WILL NEVER SEE

576
00:15:56,955 --> 00:15:58,857
THEM.

577
00:15:58,924 --> 00:16:00,592
>> John: EXACTLY.

578
00:16:00,659 --> 00:16:01,593
THE GENERATIONS OF BRITISH

579
00:16:01,660 --> 00:16:02,795
CHILDREN WHO'VE GROWN UP

580
00:16:02,861 --> 00:16:04,697
"LOVING" THE BENIN BRONZES COME

581
00:16:04,763 --> 00:16:06,665
AT THE EXPENSE OF GENERATIONS OF

582
00:16:06,732 --> 00:16:08,400
NIGERIANS WHO HAVEN'T.

583
00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:10,102
AND, AGAIN: THIS IS JUST ONE

584
00:16:10,169 --> 00:16:12,171
EXAMPLE, OF SO SO MANY.

585
00:16:12,237 --> 00:16:13,772
AND WHENEVER THE QUESTION OF

586
00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:14,873
RETURNING STOLEN OBJECTS COMES

587
00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:15,974
UP, THERE ARE USUALLY A FEW

588
00:16:16,041 --> 00:16:17,309
STOCK RESPONSES, WHICH ARE WORTH

589
00:16:17,376 --> 00:16:18,277
QUICKLY ADDRESSING.

590
00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:19,244
THE FIRST IS, BASICALLY, THESE

591
00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:21,380
WERE "ACQUIRED" IN A DIFFERENT

592
00:16:21,447 --> 00:16:22,281
TIME, AND YOU CAN'T JUDGE THE

593
00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:23,982
PRESENT BY THE STANDARDS OF THE

594
00:16:24,049 --> 00:16:28,987
PAST.

595
00:16:29,054 --> 00:16:29,722
WHEN FRANCE WAS RECENTLY ROILED

596
00:16:29,788 --> 00:16:30,489
BY

597
00:16:30,556 --> 00:16:31,423
A DEBATE OVER WHETHER TO RETURN

598
00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:32,224
AFRICAN ART, THIS

599
00:16:32,291 --> 00:16:32,825
CATASTROPHICALLY FRENCH ART

600
00:16:32,891 --> 00:16:34,026
HISTORIAN BASICALLY MADE THAT

601
00:16:34,093 --> 00:16:34,326
EXACT CASE.

602
00:16:34,393 --> 00:16:35,994
>> THESE ARTIFACTS, WHO DO THEY

603
00:16:36,061 --> 00:16:36,662
BELONG TO?

604
00:16:36,729 --> 00:16:37,830
>> THEY BELONG TO THE MUSEUMS

605
00:16:37,896 --> 00:16:39,131
WHERE THEY ARE NOW.

606
00:16:39,198 --> 00:16:41,066
BECAUSE THERE ARE LAWS, YOU

607
00:16:41,133 --> 00:16:42,835
KNOW, AND IF-EVEN FOR THE

608
00:16:42,901 --> 00:16:45,337
ARTIFACTS WHICH WERE LOOTED IN

609
00:16:45,404 --> 00:16:48,907
THE 19TH CENTURY, IN THE 19TH

610
00:16:48,974 --> 00:16:50,442
CENTURY OF THE WAR, THERE WAS

611
00:16:50,509 --> 00:16:52,244
LAWS, AND THE LOOTING OF WAR WAS

612
00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:53,545
LEGAL.

613
00:16:53,612 --> 00:16:54,880
MAYBE IT'S NOT MORAL, BUT IT'S

614
00:16:54,947 --> 00:16:56,415
LEGAL.

615
00:16:56,482 --> 00:16:58,717
AND IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK ON

616
00:16:58,784 --> 00:17:00,486
THIS, WHY DON'T YOU COME BACK,

617
00:17:00,552 --> 00:17:01,220
19TH CENTURY, 17TH CENTURY, 16TH

618
00:17:01,286 --> 00:17:02,755
CENTURY?

619
00:17:02,821 --> 00:17:03,989
YOU CANNOT STOP.

620
00:17:04,056 --> 00:17:09,528
YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO STOP.

621
00:17:09,595 --> 00:17:11,463
>> John: SO.

622
00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:12,664
HOW DO I EXPLAIN THIS SO THAT

623
00:17:12,731 --> 00:17:13,465
MAN WILL UNDERSTAND?

624
00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:14,166
"YES, THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN

625
00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:15,033
LOWS EXPLICITLY MAKING LOOTING

626
00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:15,934
ILLEGAL, BUT THE IDEA THAT GIVES

627
00:17:16,001 --> 00:17:17,436
YOU CARTE BLANCHE IS, "OW YOU

628
00:17:17,503 --> 00:17:19,338
SAY, "ORSESHIT."

629
00:17:19,405 --> 00:17:20,172
AND SETTING ASIDE THAT "DIDIER

630
00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:21,306
RYKNER, THE LOOTING-APOLOGIST

631
00:17:21,373 --> 00:17:22,508
ART HISTORIAN" SEEMS LESS LIKE A

632
00:17:22,574 --> 00:17:23,809
REAL PERSON AND MORE LIKE A

633
00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:25,043
CHARACTER IN TINTIN: "HOW WE

634
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:26,211
SAVED THE EGYPTIANS FROM

635
00:17:26,278 --> 00:17:28,280
THEMSELVES," THE FACT IS,

636
00:17:28,347 --> 00:17:30,149
LOOTING WASN'T JUST AN

637
00:17:30,215 --> 00:17:31,850
ACCEPTABLE, UNAVOIDABLE

638
00:17:31,917 --> 00:17:34,820
BYPRODUCT OF WAR "UNDER ZE LOW."

639
00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:35,788
IT WAS SOMETIMES BAKED INTO THE

640
00:17:35,854 --> 00:17:37,222
PLAN FROM THE OUTSET.

641
00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:38,991
IN FACT, DURING ONE NOTORIOUS

642
00:17:39,057 --> 00:17:41,226
BRITISH RAID IN NORTHERN

643
00:17:41,293 --> 00:17:42,561
ETHIOPIA IN 1868, THE ARMY EVEN

644
00:17:42,628 --> 00:17:45,230
BROUGHT ALONG AN EXPERT FROM THE

645
00:17:45,297 --> 00:17:45,964
BRITISH MUSEUM TO BID FOR SOME

646
00:17:46,031 --> 00:17:47,900
OF THE CHOICEST ITEMS.

647
00:17:47,966 --> 00:17:49,368
AND IMPORTANTLY, PEOPLE KNEW THE

648
00:17:49,435 --> 00:17:50,569
PRACTICE WAS WRONG EVEN BACK

649
00:17:50,636 --> 00:17:53,172
THEN.

650
00:17:53,238 --> 00:17:54,239
AFTER THAT RAID ON ETHIOPIA, THE

651
00:17:54,306 --> 00:17:55,707
BRITISH PRIME MINISTER SAID HE

652
00:17:55,774 --> 00:17:56,975
"DEEPLY LAMENTED, FOR THE SAKE

653
00:17:57,042 --> 00:17:58,644
OF THE COUNTRY AND FOR THE SAKE

654
00:17:58,710 --> 00:18:00,045
OF ALL CONCERNED, THAT THESE

655
00:18:00,112 --> 00:18:01,447
ARTICLES WERE THOUGHT FIT TO BE

656
00:18:01,513 --> 00:18:04,049
BROUGHT AWAY BY A BRITISH ARMY."

657
00:18:04,116 --> 00:18:04,950
AND URGED THAT THEY "BE HELD

658
00:18:05,017 --> 00:18:05,717
ONLY UNTIL THEY COULD BE

659
00:18:05,784 --> 00:18:07,653
RESTORED."

660
00:18:07,719 --> 00:18:11,056
HE WAS SAYING THAT IN 1868!

661
00:18:11,123 --> 00:18:12,090
WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO FIX A

662
00:18:12,157 --> 00:18:14,893
UTI WITHOUT LEECHES BACK THEN,

663
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,128
BUT KNEW THAT RAIDING OTHER

664
00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:18,397
COUNTRIES FOR THEIR SHIT WAS

665
00:18:18,464 --> 00:18:19,932
"DEEPLY LAMENTABLE' WHICH IS

666
00:18:19,998 --> 00:18:22,801
BRITISH FOR "SUPER FUCKED UP."

667
00:18:22,868 --> 00:18:24,369
NOW, THE SECOND COMMON ARGUMENT

668
00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:26,171
IS THAT OBJECTS ARE ACTUALLY

669
00:18:26,238 --> 00:18:27,439
SAFER UNDER THE CARE OF WESTERN

670
00:18:27,506 --> 00:18:28,841
INSTITUTIONS THAN THEY WOULD BE

671
00:18:28,907 --> 00:18:30,175
IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY.

672
00:18:30,242 --> 00:18:31,510
HERE'S THAT CASE BEING MADE BY

673
00:18:31,577 --> 00:18:32,711
AN ART DEALER, REGARDING

674
00:18:32,778 --> 00:18:34,413
PRE-COLOMBIAN ART FROM PERU.

675
00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,116
>> ACCORDING TO THE LAW, WHICH I

676
00:18:38,183 --> 00:18:40,319
THINK- LIKE TO THINK OF AS

677
00:18:40,385 --> 00:18:41,920
SOLOMON'S LAW, THE ONE WHO LOVES

678
00:18:41,987 --> 00:18:43,989
THE BABY BEST GETS THE BABY, THE

679
00:18:44,056 --> 00:18:44,957
ONE WHO WILL PAY THE MOST FOR

680
00:18:45,023 --> 00:18:47,059
THE BABY GETS THE BABY.

681
00:18:47,125 --> 00:18:49,294
IF PERU CANNOT PROPERLY TAKE

682
00:18:49,361 --> 00:18:52,130
CARE OF ITS NATIONAL TREASURES,

683
00:18:52,197 --> 00:18:52,898
THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL TAKE

684
00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:54,733
CARE OF IT FOR THE PERUVIANS, AS

685
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,169
IT SHOULD BE.

686
00:18:57,236 --> 00:18:59,505
>> John: HE SEEMS GREAT.

687
00:18:59,571 --> 00:19:00,906
BUT HE'S RIGHT -- IT'S EXACTLY

688
00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:04,109
AS KING SOLOMON FAMOUSLY

689
00:19:04,176 --> 00:19:04,977
DECLARED: "THE REAL MOTHER IS

690
00:19:05,043 --> 00:19:05,744
WHOEVER AGREES TO OFFER 200

691
00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:06,478
THOUSAND OVER THE ASKING PRICE

692
00:19:06,545 --> 00:19:08,413
ALL CASH, INSPECTION WAIVED."

693
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,648
AND THE ARGUMENT, "YOU CAN'T BE

694
00:19:09,715 --> 00:19:11,149
TRUSTED WITH YOUR OWN PROPERTY,

695
00:19:11,216 --> 00:19:13,919
YOU'LL JUST DAMAGE IT" IS HARD

696
00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:15,888
TO LAND, EVEN BEFORE YOU LEARN

697
00:19:15,954 --> 00:19:17,322
THAT THE CARETAKING RECORD OF

698
00:19:17,389 --> 00:19:19,691
SOME MUSEUMS IS MIXED AT BEST.

699
00:19:19,758 --> 00:19:20,626
REMEMBER THAT WOMAN INSISTING

700
00:19:20,692 --> 00:19:21,793
THE GREEKS COULDN'T POSSIBLY

701
00:19:21,860 --> 00:19:22,995
TAKE CARE OF THE PARTHENON

702
00:19:23,061 --> 00:19:24,630
MARBLES?

703
00:19:24,696 --> 00:19:26,532
HERE'S A FUN FACT: MULTIPLE

704
00:19:26,598 --> 00:19:27,766
LEAKS HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN THE

705
00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:30,035
BRITISH MUSEUM'S GREEK

706
00:19:30,102 --> 00:19:30,969
GALLERIES, AND IN THE 1930S, IN

707
00:19:31,036 --> 00:19:32,137
WHAT MUSEUM OFFICIALS LATER

708
00:19:32,204 --> 00:19:33,805
ADMITTED WAS A "HEAVY HANDED"

709
00:19:33,872 --> 00:19:35,340
ATTEMPT TO CLEAN THE SCULPTURES,

710
00:19:35,407 --> 00:19:36,608
THEY ACTIVELY DAMAGED THEM BY

711
00:19:36,675 --> 00:19:37,809
SCRUBBING THEM WITH WIRE BRUSHES

712
00:19:37,876 --> 00:19:40,145
AND A HARSH CLEANING AGENT.

713
00:19:40,212 --> 00:19:42,414
AND LOOK -- EVEN UNDER SOLOMON'S

714
00:19:42,481 --> 00:19:44,383
LAW, "WHOEVER LOVES THE BABY

715
00:19:44,449 --> 00:19:46,251
GETS THE BABY, BUT IF YOU SCRUB

716
00:19:46,318 --> 00:19:46,985
THE BABY WITH WIRE BRUSHES, WE

717
00:19:47,052 --> 00:19:51,023
TAKE THE BABY AWAY."

718
00:19:51,089 --> 00:19:53,358
AND THE FINAL ARGUMENT YOU HEAR

719
00:19:53,425 --> 00:19:54,860
IS THAT THESE MUSEUMS ARE AN

720
00:19:54,927 --> 00:19:56,495
OPEN REPOSITORY OF THE WORLD'S

721
00:19:56,562 --> 00:19:57,362
TREASURES, AND CAN ACTUALLY

722
00:19:57,429 --> 00:19:58,397
INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE

723
00:19:58,463 --> 00:19:59,865
WHO CAN ENJOY THEM.

724
00:19:59,932 --> 00:20:01,400
BUT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN SOMEONE

725
00:20:01,466 --> 00:20:02,501
POINT OUT, THAT'S ONLY TRUE IF

726
00:20:02,568 --> 00:20:03,602
YOU CAN GET TO THE MUSEUM IN

727
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:06,171
QUESTION.

728
00:20:06,238 --> 00:20:08,240
ALSO IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT MOST

729
00:20:08,307 --> 00:20:09,408
DISPLAY ONLY A TINY FRACTION OF

730
00:20:09,474 --> 00:20:10,809
THEIR COLLECTIONS.

731
00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:11,677
THE BRITISH MUSEUM, FOR

732
00:20:11,743 --> 00:20:12,811
INSTANCE, HAS A COLLECTION OF

733
00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:13,779
EIGHT MILLION OBJECTS, THOUGH

734
00:20:13,845 --> 00:20:14,546
ONLY AROUND EIGHTY THOUSAND OF

735
00:20:14,613 --> 00:20:16,048
THEM -- ONE PERCENT -- ARE ON

736
00:20:16,114 --> 00:20:17,883
PUBLIC DISPLAY AT ANY ONE TIME.

737
00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:19,351
AND IT CAN BE PRETTY GALLING FOR

738
00:20:19,418 --> 00:20:21,353
PEOPLE TO FIND THAT THEIR

739
00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:22,321
HERITAGE -- WHICH IS OFTEN PART

740
00:20:22,387 --> 00:20:24,590
OF A VIBRANT PRESENT-DAY CULTURE

741
00:20:24,656 --> 00:20:26,258
-- IS SITTING IN STORAGE IN THE

742
00:20:26,325 --> 00:20:27,926
BRITISH MUSEUM'S UNDERGROUND

743
00:20:27,993 --> 00:20:32,497
LOOT PRISON.

744
00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:33,298
HERE IN THE US, WE'VE STASHED

745
00:20:33,365 --> 00:20:33,832
AWAY MANY NATIVE AMERICAN

746
00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:34,466
ARTIFACTS.

747
00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:35,434
JUST WATCH AS MEMBERS OF THE

748
00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:36,401
EASTERN SHOSHONE AND NORTHERN

749
00:20:36,468 --> 00:20:38,537
ARAPAHOE TRIBES ARE ALLOWED TO

750
00:20:38,604 --> 00:20:39,271
VISIT ARTIFACTS IN STORAGE AT

751
00:20:39,338 --> 00:20:42,007
CHICAGO'S FIELD MUSEUM.

752
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:43,141
>> SO JUST BEYOND HERE IS THE

753
00:20:43,208 --> 00:20:44,910
STOREROOM WHERE WE'LL BE LOOKING

754
00:20:44,977 --> 00:20:54,152
AT SOME OF THE ARTIFACTS.

755
00:20:54,219 --> 00:21:04,329
♪ ♪

756
00:21:04,396 --> 00:21:05,364
WHEN I THINK ABOUT OBJECTS

757
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:07,499
THAT BELONG TO TRIBAL MEMBERS

758
00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:08,400
THAT ARE JUST SITTING THERE IN

759
00:21:08,467 --> 00:21:13,605
THE DARK, I FELT ANGRY.

760
00:21:13,672 --> 00:21:17,109
AND I FELT SAD.

761
00:21:17,175 --> 00:21:21,146
YOU JUST WALK IN AND THERE IS

762
00:21:21,213 --> 00:21:22,447
JUST LIKE ROWS AND ROWS AND ROWS

763
00:21:22,514 --> 00:21:25,550
OF ALL THESE OBJECTS.

764
00:21:25,617 --> 00:21:26,918
THEY'VE BEEN BOXED AWAY SINCE

765
00:21:26,985 --> 00:21:29,454
THEY WERE COLLECTED.

766
00:21:29,521 --> 00:21:33,392
NOBODY CAN SEE THEM, TOUCH THEM,

767
00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:35,293
BE AROUND THEM.

768
00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,295
>> John: THAT'S DEVASTATING.

769
00:21:37,362 --> 00:21:38,563
AND IT GETS A LOT HARDER TO

770
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:39,564
PRETEND THESE OBJECTS ARE

771
00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:40,966
FULFILLING A MISSION OF

772
00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:42,300
EDUCATING AND CONNECTING PEOPLE,

773
00:21:42,367 --> 00:21:43,702
WHEN THEY'RE IN A BASEMENT IN A

774
00:21:43,769 --> 00:21:44,703
BOX LABELED WITH A FUCKING

775
00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:46,471
SHARPIE.

776
00:21:46,538 --> 00:21:47,739
AND AT THIS POINT, YOU MAY BE

777
00:21:47,806 --> 00:21:48,674
THINKING, "WELL, OBVIOUSLY, WE

778
00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:49,574
SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THOSE

779
00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:50,342
OBJECTS IN THE PAST.

780
00:21:50,409 --> 00:21:51,843
BUT NOW WE KNOW BETTER."

781
00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:52,477
BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW: THIS

782
00:21:52,544 --> 00:21:54,012
PRACTICE IS STILL VERY MUCH

783
00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:55,580
GOING ON.

784
00:21:55,647 --> 00:21:57,716
WHICH BRINGS US TO THE SECOND

785
00:21:57,783 --> 00:21:58,483
BIG PART OF OUR STORY: THE

786
00:21:58,550 --> 00:22:00,118
MODERN ANTIQUITIES MARKET.

787
00:22:00,185 --> 00:22:02,054
BECAUSE ITEMS ARE STILL BEING

788
00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:04,222
BOUGHT, SOLD AND DONATED ALL THE

789
00:22:04,289 --> 00:22:05,223
TIME BETWEEN PRIVATE

790
00:22:05,290 --> 00:22:06,358
INDIVIDUALS, MUSEUMS, DEALERS

791
00:22:06,425 --> 00:22:07,926
AND AUCTION HOUSES.

792
00:22:07,993 --> 00:22:09,828
AND WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE

793
00:22:09,895 --> 00:22:10,729
ITEMS, THE KEY WORD TO

794
00:22:10,796 --> 00:22:12,297
UNDERSTAND IS "PROVENANCE."

795
00:22:12,364 --> 00:22:13,632
BASICALLY, THE FULL HISTORY OF

796
00:22:13,699 --> 00:22:15,067
AN OBJECT AND THE PATH IT TOOK

797
00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:16,802
TO END UP HERE.

798
00:22:16,868 --> 00:22:18,403
BECAUSE NOT EVERY PIECE IS LIKE

799
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:20,005
THOSE FAMOUS BENIN BRONZES,

800
00:22:20,072 --> 00:22:22,708
WHERE IT'S CLEAR FROM OUR

801
00:22:22,774 --> 00:22:24,643
HISTORY BOOKS WHO TOOK THEM.

802
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:26,511
FOR MOST ITEMS, RESEARCH INTO

803
00:22:26,578 --> 00:22:28,180
PROVENANCE IS CRITICAL -- IT'S

804
00:22:28,246 --> 00:22:29,981
NOT JUST HOW YOU KNOW WHETHER AN

805
00:22:30,048 --> 00:22:30,982
ITEM IS REAL OR FAKE, BUT ALSO

806
00:22:31,049 --> 00:22:32,017
WHETHER OR NOT IT GOT TO YOU

807
00:22:32,084 --> 00:22:34,052
LEGALLY.

808
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,220
THE AUCTION HOUSE SOTHEBY'S EVEN

809
00:22:35,287 --> 00:22:36,521
HAS A WHOLE VIDEO ON ITS

810
00:22:36,588 --> 00:22:38,390
WEBSITE, BRAGGING ABOUT HOW MUCH

811
00:22:38,457 --> 00:22:40,325
IT LOVES RESEARCHING PROVENANCE

812
00:22:40,392 --> 00:22:41,793
-- THOUGH IT SEEMS TO VIEW IT

813
00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:43,595
LESS AS AN ETHICAL IMPERATIVE

814
00:22:43,662 --> 00:22:44,563
AND MORE AS A SWEET MARKETING

815
00:22:44,629 --> 00:22:46,531
PERK.

816
00:22:46,598 --> 00:22:47,632
>> SO PROVENANCE-

817
00:22:47,699 --> 00:22:47,933
>> THAT'S MY

818
00:22:47,999 --> 00:22:48,533
FAVORITE PART.

819
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,235
>> PROVENANCE IS THE HISTORY OF

820
00:22:50,302 --> 00:22:51,603
OWNERSHIP FOR A WORK.

821
00:22:51,670 --> 00:22:53,839
>> SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT TO LIFE-

822
00:22:53,905 --> 00:22:54,506
>> WHO THAT WORK OF ART HAD BEEN

823
00:22:54,573 --> 00:22:55,307
MADE FOR-

824
00:22:55,373 --> 00:22:56,341
>> WHOSE WALLS IT'S

825
00:22:56,408 --> 00:22:57,876
BEEN HANGING ON.

826
00:22:57,943 --> 00:22:59,077
>> HOW MANY DIFFERENT HANDS HAS

827
00:22:59,144 --> 00:22:59,945
IT PASSED THROUGH.

828
00:23:00,011 --> 00:23:00,946
>> WHO ELSE HAS LOOKED AT IT, IN

829
00:23:01,012 --> 00:23:01,780
SOME CASES, WHO ELSE HAS LOVED

830
00:23:01,847 --> 00:23:02,781
IT.

831
00:23:02,848 --> 00:23:04,583
>> WHO WORE IT, WHEN DID SHE

832
00:23:04,649 --> 00:23:05,584
WEAR IT, HOW DID SHE WEAR IT,

833
00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:06,218
HOW OFTEN DID SHE WEAR IT?

834
00:23:06,284 --> 00:23:07,953
FOR ME, THIS IS WHAT WE KIND OF

835
00:23:08,019 --> 00:23:08,920
LIVE FOR, IS TO GET THE GREAT

836
00:23:08,987 --> 00:23:09,588
STORIES TO TELL.

837
00:23:09,654 --> 00:23:10,789
>> AND OFTEN THE STORY OF ITS

838
00:23:10,856 --> 00:23:12,124
OWNERSHIP CAN BE JUST AS

839
00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:13,592
INTERESTING, IF NOT MORE

840
00:23:13,658 --> 00:23:14,726
INTERESTING, THAN THE ARTIST.

841
00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:16,962
>> PROVENANCE IS SOMETHING THAT,

842
00:23:17,028 --> 00:23:17,929
IN A WAY, DOESN'T MATTER.

843
00:23:17,996 --> 00:23:20,398
AND YET, AND YET.

844
00:23:20,465 --> 00:23:21,967
>> John: AND YET, IN ANOTHER

845
00:23:22,033 --> 00:23:25,170
WAY, IT REALLY DOES.

846
00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:26,404
AND SIDENOTE: NEVER IN MY LIFE

847
00:23:26,471 --> 00:23:27,372
HAS THERE BEEN SUCH AN

848
00:23:27,439 --> 00:23:28,273
INTIMIDATINGLY BOUGIE COLLECTION

849
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:30,242
OF PEOPLE.

850
00:23:30,308 --> 00:23:31,443
YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR THEM SAYING,

851
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:32,310
"ACTUALLY, IT'S PRONOUNCED

852
00:23:32,377 --> 00:23:34,613
CWOISSANT."

853
00:23:34,679 --> 00:23:36,114
AND WHILE I DON'T DOUBT

854
00:23:36,181 --> 00:23:37,949
SOTHEBY'S LOVES BACKSTORIES THAT

855
00:23:38,016 --> 00:23:39,918
ADD LUSTER AND, CRUCIALLY, VALUE

856
00:23:39,985 --> 00:23:41,319
TO THE OBJECTS THEY AUCTION,

857
00:23:41,386 --> 00:23:42,921
THEY, AND MANY OTHERS, SEEM MUCH

858
00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:44,156
LESS INTERESTED WHEN THOSE

859
00:23:44,222 --> 00:23:45,323
STORIES UNCOVER SOMETHING

860
00:23:45,390 --> 00:23:46,725
SEAMIER.

861
00:23:46,792 --> 00:23:48,693
ONE GALLERY OWNER WHO RECENTLY

862
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,295
PLED GUILTY FOR HER PART IN

863
00:23:50,362 --> 00:23:51,696
TRAFFICKING LOOTED ANTIQUITIES

864
00:23:51,763 --> 00:23:53,231
SAID BUYING AND SELLING OBJECTS

865
00:23:53,298 --> 00:23:54,966
WITH VAGUE OR EVEN NO PROVENANCE

866
00:23:55,033 --> 00:23:56,701
WAS SO MUCH THE NORM IN THE ART

867
00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:58,203
MARKET, IT WAS A "CONSPIRACY OF

868
00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:01,072
THE WILLING."

869
00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:02,641
AND TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT

870
00:24:02,707 --> 00:24:04,376
CONSPIRACY CAN LOOK LIKE, JUST

871
00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:06,244
LOOK AT ONE ATTEMPTED SALE WHERE

872
00:24:06,311 --> 00:24:06,978
SOTHEBY'S IGNORED SOME PRETTY

873
00:24:07,045 --> 00:24:08,713
GLARING WARNING SIGNS.

874
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:10,582
>> THREE YEARS AGO, CAMBODIA

875
00:24:10,649 --> 00:24:12,150
LEARNED THAT SOTHEBY'S AUCTION

876
00:24:12,217 --> 00:24:13,819
HOUSE IN MANHATTAN WAS

877
00:24:13,885 --> 00:24:14,920
ATTEMPTING TO SELL A

878
00:24:14,986 --> 00:24:16,721
THOUSAND-YEAR-OLD MASTERPIECE

879
00:24:16,788 --> 00:24:19,691
FOR $3 MILLION, THE FEET OF

880
00:24:19,758 --> 00:24:21,259
WHICH WERE STILL AT THE TEMPLE

881
00:24:21,326 --> 00:24:22,861
IN CAMBODIA.

882
00:24:22,928 --> 00:24:24,830
SOTHEBY'S WAS WARNED BY THE VERY

883
00:24:24,896 --> 00:24:27,499
EXPERT THEY HIRED TO APPRAISE

884
00:24:27,566 --> 00:24:28,600
THE STATUTE THAT IT WAS, QUOTE,

885
00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:29,568
"DEFINITELY STOLEN."

886
00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:31,169
THEY KNEW THE FEET WERE STILL

887
00:24:31,236 --> 00:24:33,738
THERE.

888
00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:35,440
DESPITE WHAT THEIR EXPERT TOLD

889
00:24:35,507 --> 00:24:37,776
THEM, THEY DECIDED TO PUT THE

890
00:24:37,843 --> 00:24:38,944
STATUE ON THE FRONT OF ONE OF

891
00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:40,178
THEIR MORE PROMINENT AUCTION

892
00:24:40,245 --> 00:24:41,680
CATALOGS OF THE YEAR.

893
00:24:41,746 --> 00:24:43,081
>> John: HOLY SHIT.

894
00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:45,050
HOW DID THAT CONVERSATION GO?

895
00:24:45,116 --> 00:24:46,985
THE EXPERT SAID, "THIS IS

896
00:24:47,052 --> 00:24:48,720
DEFINITELY STOLEN."

897
00:24:48,787 --> 00:24:50,021
AND SOTHEBY'S SAID, "YEAH, BUT

898
00:24:50,088 --> 00:24:52,023
IT MIGHT NOT BE, RIGHT?"

899
00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:54,359
AND THE EXPERT SAID, "NO, IT'S

900
00:24:54,426 --> 00:24:55,393
STOLEN."

901
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:56,261
AND SOTHEBY'S SAID, "YOU'RE SO

902
00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:56,695
FUNNY."

903
00:24:56,761 --> 00:24:57,596
AND THE EXPERT SAID, "WHAT?"

904
00:24:57,662 --> 00:24:58,196
AND SOTHEBY'S SAID.'SERIOUSLY,

905
00:24:58,263 --> 00:24:58,864
JAMIE, YOU'RE TOO MUCH!"

906
00:24:58,930 --> 00:24:59,831
AND THE EXPERT SAID, "THANKS.

907
00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:00,932
BUT, AGAIN, IT IS STOLEN."

908
00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:01,967
AND SOTHEBY'S SAID, "TELL YOUR

909
00:25:02,033 --> 00:25:03,101
MOM I SAID HI."

910
00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:04,102
AND THE EXPERT SAID, "MY MOM IS

911
00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:05,303
DEAD."

912
00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:06,872
AND THEN THEY PRINTED IT ON THE

913
00:25:06,938 --> 00:25:08,506
COVER.

914
00:25:08,573 --> 00:25:10,008
NOW, LEGALLY, I HAVE TO TELL

915
00:25:10,075 --> 00:25:10,976
YOU: SOTHEBY'S INSISTS THEY DID

916
00:25:11,042 --> 00:25:12,277
NOTHING WRONG AND THAT THEY

917
00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:13,411
CONDUCT EXTENSIVE DUE DILIGENCE

918
00:25:13,478 --> 00:25:14,713
BEFORE OFFERING ITEMS UP FOR

919
00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:16,181
AUCTION.

920
00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:18,783
BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW: IN THE CASE

921
00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:20,018
OF THAT STATUE, FEDERAL

922
00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:21,653
PROSECUTORS EVENTUALLY

923
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,787
INTERVENED, FORCING SOTHEBY'S TO

924
00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:24,222
HAND IT OVER TO CAMBODIA, WHERE

925
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:29,661
IT WAS EVENTUALLY HAPPILY

926
00:25:29,728 --> 00:25:30,362
REUNITED WITH ITS FEET.

927
00:25:30,428 --> 00:25:30,996
IT'S A

928
00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:32,097
REAL CINDERELLA STORY, IF

929
00:25:32,163 --> 00:25:33,865
CINDERELLA HAD BEEN AMPUTATED AT

930
00:25:33,932 --> 00:25:35,834
THE ANKLE.

931
00:25:35,901 --> 00:25:38,737
AND INTERESTINGLY, IT'S NOT

932
00:25:38,803 --> 00:25:39,871
UNCOMMON TO SEE STATUES MISSING

933
00:25:39,938 --> 00:25:40,739
FEET OR HANDS.

934
00:25:40,805 --> 00:25:41,940
AND WHILE YOU MIGHT ASSUME IT'S

935
00:25:42,007 --> 00:25:44,242
DAMAGE DUE TO TIME, IT'S OFTEN A

936
00:25:44,309 --> 00:25:45,677
SIGN IT'S BEEN STOLEN, WITH

937
00:25:45,744 --> 00:25:47,145
LOOTERS OR THIEVES SAWING OFF

938
00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:49,881
HEADS TO SELL SEPARATELY, OR

939
00:25:49,948 --> 00:25:52,083
HACKING A SCULPTURE OUT FROM A

940
00:25:52,150 --> 00:25:53,752
TEMPLE WALL SO RAPIDLY, THEY

941
00:25:53,818 --> 00:25:55,921
LEAVE THE FEET BEHIND.

942
00:25:55,987 --> 00:25:57,923
AND IF I KNOW THIS, AND YOU NOW

943
00:25:57,989 --> 00:25:58,924
KNOW THIS, THEN SOTHEBY'S

944
00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:01,826
"DEFINITELY" FUCKING DID.

945
00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:02,928
AND, AGAIN, THIS IS WHY

946
00:26:02,994 --> 00:26:03,962
PROVENANCE RESEARCH IS SO

947
00:26:04,029 --> 00:26:05,297
VITALLY IMPORTANT.

948
00:26:05,363 --> 00:26:06,665
BUT MANY BUYERS FAIL TO DO EVEN

949
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:08,767
THE BARE MINIMUM -- MEANING THE

950
00:26:08,833 --> 00:26:11,403
DEMAND FOR STOLEN GOODS WILL

951
00:26:11,469 --> 00:26:16,541
ALWAYS BE MET BY A STEADY

952
00:26:16,608 --> 00:26:17,609
SUPPLY.

953
00:26:17,676 --> 00:26:18,710
JUST WATCH AS A DEALER IN

954
00:26:18,777 --> 00:26:19,678
NEPALESE ARTIFACTS DEEPAK

955
00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:21,479
SHAKYA, BASICALLY WALKS SOMEONE

956
00:26:21,546 --> 00:26:22,480
THROUGH JUST HOW EASY IT CAN BE

957
00:26:22,547 --> 00:26:23,915
TO GET PAPERWORK TO JUSTIFY

958
00:26:23,982 --> 00:26:24,549
REMOVING AN OBJECT FROM THE

959
00:26:24,616 --> 00:26:25,583
COUNTRY.

960
00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:26,785
>> BY LAW, THE COUNTRY'S

961
00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:28,853
DEPARTMENT OF ARCHEOLOGY CANNOT

962
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,355
ISSUE EXPORT PAPERS ON ITEMS

963
00:26:30,422 --> 00:26:32,757
MORE THAN 100 YEARS OLD.

964
00:26:32,824 --> 00:26:34,526
BUT DEEPAK SAYS HE HAS A TRIED

965
00:26:34,592 --> 00:26:36,461
AND PROVEN WAY.

966
00:26:36,528 --> 00:26:37,295
>> SO GOVERNMENT, NO PROBLEM

967
00:26:37,362 --> 00:26:38,229
GETTING THESE OUT?

968
00:26:38,296 --> 00:26:39,297
>> NO.

969
00:26:39,364 --> 00:26:41,166
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GIVE SOME

970
00:26:41,232 --> 00:26:41,866
MONEY UNDER THE TABLE, BUT

971
00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:46,705
OTHERWISE NO PROBLEM.

972
00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:47,172
>> OKAY.

973
00:26:47,238 --> 00:26:51,309
>> I MEAN, IT'S NOT LEGAL-

974
00:26:51,376 --> 00:26:51,943
>> OKAY.

975
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:52,711
>> BUT STILL, I MEAN, WE CAN GET

976
00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:53,378
IT DONE, IT'S NO PROBLEM.

977
00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:54,412
>> John: OKAY, THAT'S WAY TOO

978
00:26:54,479 --> 00:26:55,280
EASY.

979
00:26:55,347 --> 00:26:57,015
I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT SHOULD

980
00:26:57,082 --> 00:26:57,949
BE TO ILLEGALLY EXPORT A

981
00:26:58,016 --> 00:26:59,017
CULTURE'S TREASURED ANTIQUITIES,

982
00:26:59,084 --> 00:27:00,185
BUT IT SHOULD AT LEAST BE HARDER

983
00:27:00,251 --> 00:27:02,721
THAN "FIND A GUY WHO HAS A GUY."

984
00:27:02,787 --> 00:27:04,789
THAT MAN WAS LATER ARRESTED AND

985
00:27:04,856 --> 00:27:06,791
CHARGED, PRESUMABLY ALARMING

986
00:27:06,858 --> 00:27:07,659
MUSEUMS WITH LARGE COLLECTIONS

987
00:27:07,726 --> 00:27:10,495
FROM NEPAL.

988
00:27:10,562 --> 00:27:11,896
JUST LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WHEN

989
00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:13,498
THOSE DOCUMENTARY MAKERS SAT

990
00:27:13,565 --> 00:27:14,566
DOWN WITH A REPRESENTATIVE FROM

991
00:27:14,632 --> 00:27:15,633
THE RUBIN MUSEUM, HERE IN NEW

992
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:16,801
YORK, TO ASK A PRETTY BASIC

993
00:27:16,868 --> 00:27:18,870
QUESTION.

994
00:27:18,937 --> 00:27:21,239
>> IN NEPAL, AUTHORITIES

995
00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:23,108
RECENTLY ARRESTED A NUMBER OF

996
00:27:23,174 --> 00:27:31,483
ANTIQUE DEALERS.

997
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:32,183
HAS THE RUBIN MUSEUM DONE ANY

998
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:32,784
DEALINGS WITH DEEPAK SHAKYA OR

999
00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:34,185
HIS FAMILY, THE SHAKYAS?

1000
00:27:34,252 --> 00:27:34,719
>> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD

1001
00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:37,355
ANSWER THAT.

1002
00:27:37,422 --> 00:27:37,922
I MEAN-

1003
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:38,556
>> THE MUSEUM'S PR

1004
00:27:38,623 --> 00:27:40,658
PERSON INTERVENES.

1005
00:27:40,725 --> 00:27:42,227
>> I DON'T-I MEAN, WE WOULD

1006
00:27:42,293 --> 00:27:42,894
OBVIOUSLY LOOK INTO OUR-YOU

1007
00:27:42,961 --> 00:27:43,695
KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO DO A LOT OF

1008
00:27:43,762 --> 00:27:45,163
RESEARCH TO KNOW THAT.

1009
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:46,264
>> DO YOU WANT TO SAY THAT?

1010
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:46,865
>> DO YOU WANT US TO LIKE, GET

1011
00:27:46,931 --> 00:27:47,599
BACK TO YOU ABOUT IT?

1012
00:27:47,665 --> 00:27:48,233
>> THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT'D

1013
00:27:48,299 --> 00:27:49,868
BE GOOD.

1014
00:27:49,934 --> 00:27:51,269
>> John: OKAY, A PRETTY GOOD

1015
00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:53,438
RULE, WHEN YOU'RE ASKED "DO YOU

1016
00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:54,539
WORK WITH ART THIEVES?", IS THAT

1017
00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:55,507
ANY ANSWER THAT'S NOT AN

1018
00:27:55,573 --> 00:27:56,441
IMMEDIATE "NO" IS INSTANTLY

1019
00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:58,977
SUSPICIOUS.

1020
00:27:59,044 --> 00:28:00,311
AND WHILE THE RUBIN LATER

1021
00:28:00,378 --> 00:28:01,312
CLAIMED THAT, TO THEIR BEST

1022
00:28:01,379 --> 00:28:02,547
KNOWLEDGE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY

1023
00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:04,382
CONNECTION TO DEEPAK SHAKYA, OR

1024
00:28:04,449 --> 00:28:06,618
ANY OBJECTS FROM HIM, THEY DID

1025
00:28:06,684 --> 00:28:07,786
RETURN THESE TWO OBJECTS FROM

1026
00:28:07,852 --> 00:28:08,787
THEIR COLLECTION JUST THIS YEAR,

1027
00:28:08,853 --> 00:28:10,388
THAT "WERE" STOLEN.

1028
00:28:10,455 --> 00:28:12,023
AND THE NEPALESE GROUP THAT

1029
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:13,024
PRESSURED THEM TO DO THAT,

1030
00:28:13,091 --> 00:28:14,526
RECENTLY IDENTIFIED ANOTHER

1031
00:28:14,592 --> 00:28:16,027
OBJECT THEY SAY IS STOLEN WHICH

1032
00:28:16,094 --> 00:28:17,495
-- YOU'LL NEVER GUESS -- JUST

1033
00:28:17,562 --> 00:28:18,463
HAPPENS TO BE IN THE RUBIN RIGHT

1034
00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:19,464
NOW.

1035
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:21,066
BUT DON'T WORRY, THEY TOLD US

1036
00:28:21,132 --> 00:28:21,666
THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THAT ONE

1037
00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:22,567
NOW, TOO.

1038
00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:23,234
AND I'M SURE THEY'LL GET BACK TO

1039
00:28:23,301 --> 00:28:24,469
US.

1040
00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:26,905
IT'S WHAT THEY DO.

1041
00:28:26,971 --> 00:28:29,374
AND THE THING IS, THERE ARE LOTS

1042
00:28:29,441 --> 00:28:31,242
OF DEALERS AROUND, WHO USE

1043
00:28:31,309 --> 00:28:32,143
MUSEUMS TO LAUNDER THEIR

1044
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:35,213
REPUTATIONS.

1045
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:35,980
TAKE SUBHASH KAPOOR.

1046
00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:37,015
WHO WAS ONCE ONE OF THE LEADING

1047
00:28:37,082 --> 00:28:38,283
SOURCES OF ASIAN ART FOR MUSEUMS

1048
00:28:38,349 --> 00:28:39,651
AND COLLECTORS.

1049
00:28:39,717 --> 00:28:42,120
THE MET CURRENTLY HAS 86 OBJECTS

1050
00:28:42,187 --> 00:28:43,688
FROM HIM IN ITS COLLECTION, AND

1051
00:28:43,755 --> 00:28:45,423
EVEN THREW HIM A PRIVATE

1052
00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:46,424
RECEPTION IN 2009 AFTER HE

1053
00:28:46,491 --> 00:28:48,126
DONATED DOZENS OF INDIAN

1054
00:28:48,193 --> 00:28:49,661
DRAWINGS.

1055
00:28:49,727 --> 00:28:51,296
WHICH WAS A REAL WIN-WIN.

1056
00:28:51,362 --> 00:28:53,431
THE MET GOT THE DRAWINGS, AND

1057
00:28:53,498 --> 00:28:56,267
KAPOOR GOT TO TELL PEOPLE HE HAD

1058
00:28:56,334 --> 00:28:57,836
ART IN THE MET, AND IT'S NOT

1059
00:28:57,902 --> 00:28:58,403
LIKE THEY WOULD WORK WITH A

1060
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:59,737
DISREPUTABLE DEALER, RIGHT?

1061
00:28:59,804 --> 00:29:00,972
BUT KAPOOR WAS ULTIMATELY

1062
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:02,674
IDENTIFIED AS A PROLIFIC

1063
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:04,142
TRAFFICKER OF STOLEN GOODS.

1064
00:29:04,209 --> 00:29:06,144
AND HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER COMING

1065
00:29:06,211 --> 00:29:07,579
UP WITH GOOD COVER STORIES.

1066
00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:09,547
THE MOST COMMON ONE HE USED WAS

1067
00:29:09,614 --> 00:29:10,682
THAT OBJECTS HAD COME FROM THE

1068
00:29:10,748 --> 00:29:12,417
FAMILY COLLECTION OF HIS

1069
00:29:12,484 --> 00:29:14,486
GIRLFRIEND.

1070
00:29:14,552 --> 00:29:16,187
AND YOU MIGHT BE THINKING,

1071
00:29:16,254 --> 00:29:16,988
"THAT'S SO STUPID IT WOULD ONLY

1072
00:29:17,055 --> 00:29:17,889
WORK ON A GROUP OF REAL DING

1073
00:29:17,956 --> 00:29:18,756
DONGS."

1074
00:29:18,823 --> 00:29:20,458
TO WHICH I'D SAY, "YOU'RE RIGHT.

1075
00:29:20,525 --> 00:29:21,292
IT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED ON THE

1076
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,562
MET 86 TIMES."

1077
00:29:24,629 --> 00:29:26,798
AND BUYING ART WITHOUT DOING

1078
00:29:26,865 --> 00:29:27,932
PROPER PROVENANCE RESEARCH CAN

1079
00:29:27,999 --> 00:29:29,100
BLOW UP IN A MUSEUM'S FACE, IN

1080
00:29:29,167 --> 00:29:30,535
SPECTACULAR FASHION.

1081
00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:32,337
TAKE WHAT HAPPENED A FEW YEARS

1082
00:29:32,403 --> 00:29:33,438
BACK AT THE MET GALA.

1083
00:29:33,505 --> 00:29:34,639
THE YEAR?

1084
00:29:34,706 --> 00:29:35,907
2018.

1085
00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:36,908
KIM KARDASHIAN MADE AN

1086
00:29:36,975 --> 00:29:38,209
APPEARANCE WEARING HEAD-TO-TOE

1087
00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:39,577
ATELIER VERSACE, THAT WAS,

1088
00:29:39,644 --> 00:29:42,046
NOTABLY, GOLD, JUST LIKE THIS

1089
00:29:42,113 --> 00:29:43,748
GUY, NEDJEMANKH, OR MORE

1090
00:29:43,815 --> 00:29:46,017
SPECIFICALLY, HIS COFFIN, WHICH

1091
00:29:46,084 --> 00:29:46,951
THE MET HAD RECENTLY ACQUIRED.

1092
00:29:47,018 --> 00:29:48,386
GUYS, A PHOTO OPP OF THE TWO OF

1093
00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:50,655
THEM HAD TO HAPPEN!

1094
00:29:50,722 --> 00:29:51,456
IT DID, THE INTERNET

1095
00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:54,058
EXPLODED.

1096
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,561
BUT THEN, THIS HAPPENED.

1097
00:29:56,628 --> 00:29:58,429
>> THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF

1098
00:29:58,496 --> 00:29:59,764
ART NEW YORK RECEIVING A TIP

1099
00:29:59,831 --> 00:30:05,470
AFTER KIM'S PHOTO FROM THE MET

1100
00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:06,104
GALA WENT VIRAL.

1101
00:30:06,171 --> 00:30:07,372
>> THE MANHATTAN ASSISTANT

1102
00:30:07,438 --> 00:30:08,306
DISTRICT ATTORNEY WAS EMAILED

1103
00:30:08,373 --> 00:30:09,340
THE PHOTO BY AN ANONYMOUS

1104
00:30:09,407 --> 00:30:10,241
INFORMANT IN THE MIDDLE EAST,

1105
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:11,376
SAYING HE RECOGNIZED THE COFFIN

1106
00:30:11,442 --> 00:30:12,844
AND KNEW IT HAD BEEN LOOTED.

1107
00:30:12,911 --> 00:30:13,945
MUSEUM OFFICIALS SAYING THEY

1108
00:30:14,012 --> 00:30:14,946
BOUGHT THE SARCOPHAGUS FOR $4

1109
00:30:15,013 --> 00:30:17,282
MILLION FROM AN ART DEALER IN

1110
00:30:17,348 --> 00:30:18,750
PARIS IN 2017, BUT WERE FOOLED

1111
00:30:18,816 --> 00:30:20,051
BY FAKE PAPERS SAYING IT HAD

1112
00:30:20,118 --> 00:30:21,419
BEEN LEGITIMATELY EXPORTED

1113
00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:22,954
DECADES AGO.

1114
00:30:23,021 --> 00:30:24,455
>> John: WOW.

1115
00:30:24,522 --> 00:30:26,491
SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT KIM

1116
00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:27,859
KARDASHIAN -- THE WOMAN HAS A

1117
00:30:27,926 --> 00:30:28,826
REAL KNACK FOR PRODUCING

1118
00:30:28,893 --> 00:30:29,961
INCREDIBLE IMAGES, JUST BY

1119
00:30:30,028 --> 00:30:31,229
STANDING NEXT TO MEN THAT LOOK

1120
00:30:31,296 --> 00:30:36,601
LIKE THEY DIED A LONG TIME AGO.

1121
00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:37,969
IT TURNS OUT, NEDJEMANKH'S

1122
00:30:38,036 --> 00:30:39,270
COFFIN HAD BEEN STOLEN DURING

1123
00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:41,439
THE EGYPTIAN UPRISING IN 2011.

1124
00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:43,241
AND AS THE STORY UNRAVELED, IT

1125
00:30:43,308 --> 00:30:44,576
BECAME CLEAR THE MET SHOULD'VE

1126
00:30:44,642 --> 00:30:45,977
BEEN A LOT MORE SUSPICIOUS WHEN

1127
00:30:46,044 --> 00:30:49,647
IT WAS OFFERED TO THEM.

1128
00:30:49,714 --> 00:30:50,615
BECAUSE THE RED FLAGS INCLUDED

1129
00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:51,849
THREE CONFLICTING OWNERSHIP

1130
00:30:51,916 --> 00:30:53,318
HISTORIES, THE INVOLVEMENT OF

1131
00:30:53,384 --> 00:30:54,552
KNOWN TRAFFICKERS, AND A FORGED

1132
00:30:54,619 --> 00:30:55,587
EXPORT LICENSE THAT BORE THE

1133
00:30:55,653 --> 00:30:57,055
STAMP "ARAB REPUBLIC OF EGYPT"

1134
00:30:57,121 --> 00:30:59,324
BEFORE THE COUNTRY USED THAT

1135
00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:00,325
NAME.

1136
00:31:00,391 --> 00:31:02,527
AND THAT'S TOO MANY RED FLAGS!

1137
00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:04,562
IT'D BE LIKE IF MADAME TUSSAUD'S

1138
00:31:04,629 --> 00:31:05,563
BOUGHT AND DISPLAYED A CLEARLY

1139
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:07,298
ALIVE JAMES SPADER.

1140
00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:09,767
YOUR ONLY JOB WAS TO MAKE SURE

1141
00:31:09,834 --> 00:31:10,401
THIS CELEBRITY WAS WAX, HOW'D

1142
00:31:10,468 --> 00:31:12,770
YOU FUCK THIS UP SO BADLY?

1143
00:31:12,837 --> 00:31:16,007
NOW, THE MET'S SINCE

1144
00:31:16,074 --> 00:31:17,775
RELINQUISHED THE COFFIN AND

1145
00:31:17,842 --> 00:31:19,444
APOLOGIZED TO EGYPT.

1146
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:22,313
BUT A MUSEUM'S APPROACH TO

1147
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:23,514
PROVENANCE RESEARCH CAN'T BE "DO

1148
00:31:23,581 --> 00:31:24,549
NOTHING UNTIL KIM KARDASHIAN

1149
00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:25,583
TAKES A PHOTOGRAPH IN FRONT OF

1150
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:26,718
ONE OF OUR OBJECTS AND WE'RE

1151
00:31:26,784 --> 00:31:27,919
HUMILIATED ON THE INTERNATIONAL

1152
00:31:27,986 --> 00:31:29,754
STAGE."

1153
00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:32,457
THIS CAN'T BE HER RESPONSIBILITY

1154
00:31:32,523 --> 00:31:34,125
-- SHE'S TOO BUSY

1155
00:31:34,192 --> 00:31:37,595
REVOLUTIONIZING SHAPEWEAR!

1156
00:31:37,662 --> 00:31:40,198
AND IT'S WORTH NOTING: IN THE

1157
00:31:40,265 --> 00:31:41,299
LAST FIVE YEARS THE MET HAS HAD

1158
00:31:41,366 --> 00:31:42,834
NO FEWER THAN NINE SEARCH

1159
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,336
WARRANTS EXECUTED ON IT,

1160
00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:46,404
RESULTING IN 37 PIECES BEING

1161
00:31:46,471 --> 00:31:47,605
SEIZED.

1162
00:31:47,672 --> 00:31:48,973
AND NONE OF THIS IS A VICTIMLESS

1163
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,475
CRIME.

1164
00:31:50,541 --> 00:31:52,844
BECAUSE THE TRAFFICKING OF

1165
00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:54,279
LOOTED ANTIQUITIES HAS FINANCED

1166
00:31:54,345 --> 00:31:55,847
SOME OF THE WORLD'S WORST

1167
00:31:55,913 --> 00:31:56,881
ACTORS, FROM THE GENOCIDAL KHMER

1168
00:31:56,948 --> 00:31:58,149
ROUGE IN CAMBODIA TO THE ISLAMIC

1169
00:31:58,216 --> 00:32:00,385
STATE IN IRAQ AND SYRIA.

1170
00:32:00,451 --> 00:32:02,120
AND THE HARM ALSO EXTENDS TO THE

1171
00:32:02,186 --> 00:32:04,289
PERSONAL LEVEL.

1172
00:32:04,355 --> 00:32:05,623
BECAUSE, AGAIN, IF I CAN IMPRESS

1173
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:07,458
ONE THING ON YOU, IT'S THAT WHEN

1174
00:32:07,525 --> 00:32:09,093
THESE OBJECTS END UP IN THE

1175
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:16,167
WEST, WE PUT THEM BEHIND GLASS

1176
00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:17,068
AND CALL THEM ART.

1177
00:32:17,135 --> 00:32:18,069
BUT IN THEIR

1178
00:32:18,136 --> 00:32:18,870
HOME CONTEXTS, THEY CAN BE MUCH

1179
00:32:18,936 --> 00:32:19,504
MORE.

1180
00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:20,438
FOR INSTANCE, THIS STOLEN,

1181
00:32:20,505 --> 00:32:21,306
SACRED STATUE WAS IN A DALLAS

1182
00:32:21,372 --> 00:32:22,073
MUSEUM UNTIL MARCH OF LAST YEAR,

1183
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:22,940
AND WHEN IT WAS FINALLY RETURNED

1184
00:32:23,007 --> 00:32:24,275
TO NEPAL, IT WAS IMMEDIATELY PUT

1185
00:32:24,342 --> 00:32:25,109
BACK INTO USE FOR RELIGIOUS

1186
00:32:25,176 --> 00:32:27,578
WORSHIP.

1187
00:32:27,645 --> 00:32:30,481
THERE'S JUST A LEVEL OF ABJECT

1188
00:32:30,548 --> 00:32:31,783
CALLOUSNESS HERE -- WHICH, TO BE

1189
00:32:31,849 --> 00:32:33,084
FAIR, SOME INSTITUTIONS ARE

1190
00:32:33,151 --> 00:32:38,056
FINALLY COMING TO TERMS WITH.

1191
00:32:38,122 --> 00:32:38,690
TAKE THE UNIVERSITY OF ABERDEEN

1192
00:32:38,756 --> 00:32:38,990
IN

1193
00:32:39,057 --> 00:32:39,524
SCOTLAND.

1194
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:40,325
IT RECENTLY BEGAN REASSESSING

1195
00:32:40,391 --> 00:32:41,292
OBJECTS IN ITS COLLECTION, AND

1196
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:42,060
FACING THE GRIM REALITIES OF

1197
00:32:42,126 --> 00:32:44,662
WHAT IT HAD BEEN HOLDING ONTO,

1198
00:32:44,729 --> 00:32:46,431
LIKE THIS GLASS SPHERE.

1199
00:32:46,497 --> 00:32:47,598
THE STORY BEHIND HOW IT GOT TO

1200
00:32:47,665 --> 00:32:48,399
ABERDEEN IS BOTH FASCINATING AND

1201
00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:50,802
HORRIFYING.

1202
00:32:50,868 --> 00:32:52,537
>> THIS HINDU HOLY MAN HAD BEEN

1203
00:32:52,603 --> 00:32:54,539
CHALLENGED TO HOLD THE GLASS

1204
00:32:54,605 --> 00:32:55,907
SPHERE FOR 12 YEARS IN ORDER TO

1205
00:32:55,973 --> 00:32:58,710
OBTAIN A BENEFICIAL AFTERLIFE.

1206
00:32:58,776 --> 00:33:00,511
HE ONLY MANAGED EIGHT.

1207
00:33:00,578 --> 00:33:02,480
>> SUBSEQUENTLY, WE DISCOVERED

1208
00:33:02,547 --> 00:33:05,049
THAT IN THE ANATOMICAL

1209
00:33:05,116 --> 00:33:05,683
COLLECTION OF HUMAN SKULLS, WE

1210
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:09,387
HAVE HIS SKULL.

1211
00:33:09,454 --> 00:33:09,854
>>WOW.

1212
00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:10,755
>> IS THAT HIS HEAD?

1213
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:11,489
>> THAT IS, YEAH.

1214
00:33:11,556 --> 00:33:12,223
>> LET'S HAVE A LOOK.

1215
00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:12,890
GOSH.

1216
00:33:12,957 --> 00:33:14,258
>> THAT'S HIM.

1217
00:33:14,325 --> 00:33:17,228
>> AMAZING AND AWFUL AT THE SAME

1218
00:33:17,295 --> 00:33:18,963
TIME, ISN'T IT?

1219
00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:19,964
THEY'RE CREMATED, AREN'T THEY,

1220
00:33:20,031 --> 00:33:20,765
HINDUS?

1221
00:33:20,832 --> 00:33:22,367
AND HE HASN'T BEEN CREMATED.

1222
00:33:22,433 --> 00:33:23,101
THAT'S PROFOUNDLY OFFENSIVE,

1223
00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:24,402
ISN'T IT?

1224
00:33:24,469 --> 00:33:26,471
AND HERE WE ARE IN THE 21ST

1225
00:33:26,537 --> 00:33:27,772
CENTURY AND WE STILL HAVEN'T PUT

1226
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:28,773
THIS PERSON TO REST.

1227
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,440
>> NO.

1228
00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:30,541
NO.

1229
00:33:30,608 --> 00:33:31,242
>> GOD, THAT'S TERRIBLE, ISN'T

1230
00:33:31,309 --> 00:33:32,910
IT?

1231
00:33:32,977 --> 00:33:34,412
>> John: YES, IT IS FOR ABOUT A

1232
00:33:34,479 --> 00:33:35,880
HUNDRED REASONS.

1233
00:33:35,947 --> 00:33:38,383
BECAUSE A HEAD IN A BOX IS LESS

1234
00:33:38,449 --> 00:33:40,551
SOMETHING YOU'D EXPECT TO FIND

1235
00:33:40,618 --> 00:33:41,753
AT AN ACADEMIC INSTITUTION, AND

1236
00:33:41,819 --> 00:33:44,021
MORE IN THE BASEMENT OF A SERIAL

1237
00:33:44,088 --> 00:33:45,623
KILLER.

1238
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:47,158
AND THAT'S EMBLEMATIC OF SO MUCH

1239
00:33:47,225 --> 00:33:48,393
HERE -- THE FACT THAT, FOR SO

1240
00:33:48,459 --> 00:33:49,827
LONG, NOT ONLY DID NO ONE SEE

1241
00:33:49,894 --> 00:33:50,661
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT OBJECT

1242
00:33:50,728 --> 00:33:52,397
TO THAT MAN, NO ONE SAW THAT MAN

1243
00:33:52,463 --> 00:33:55,299
AS SIGNIFICANT, PERIOD.

1244
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:55,833
SO.

1245
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,268
WHAT CAN BE DONE?

1246
00:33:57,335 --> 00:33:59,003
WELL, SOME INSTITUTIONS LIKE THE

1247
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:00,505
UNIVERSITY OF ABERDEEN HAVE BEEN

1248
00:34:00,571 --> 00:34:02,106
TAKING THIS RECKONING SERIOUSLY.

1249
00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:03,207
THEY'RE BEGINNING DISCUSSIONS

1250
00:34:03,274 --> 00:34:04,675
WITH A LOCAL HINDU TEMPLE ABOUT

1251
00:34:04,742 --> 00:34:05,910
WHAT TO DO WITH THAT MAN'S

1252
00:34:05,977 --> 00:34:06,878
REMAINS.

1253
00:34:06,944 --> 00:34:08,946
THEY ACTUALLY ALSO HAD A BENIN

1254
00:34:09,013 --> 00:34:10,515
BRONZE, WHICH THEY REPATRIATED

1255
00:34:10,581 --> 00:34:12,049
LATE LAST YEAR.

1256
00:34:12,116 --> 00:34:13,518
WHICH IS GREAT.

1257
00:34:13,584 --> 00:34:14,485
BUT TOO OFTEN, THE RECKONING

1258
00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:17,088
ONLY GOES SO FAR.

1259
00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:18,823
A FEW YEARS AGO, THE UK'S

1260
00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:19,957
NATIONAL ARMY MUSEUM RETURNED TO

1261
00:34:20,024 --> 00:34:21,459
ETHIOPIA A STOLEN LOCK OF HAIR

1262
00:34:21,526 --> 00:34:22,493
BELONGING TO AN ETHIOPIAN

1263
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,362
EMPEROR, BUT TOOK PAINS TO POINT

1264
00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:26,497
OUT THAT IT WAS "DEFINITELY NOT

1265
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:30,067
A PRECEDENT."

1266
00:34:30,134 --> 00:34:32,103
LOOK: THE FACT IS, MUSEUMS

1267
00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:34,272
SHOULD BE GETTING ASKED HARD

1268
00:34:34,338 --> 00:34:36,641
QUESTIONS ABOUT EVERY ASPECT OF

1269
00:34:36,707 --> 00:34:37,742
BOTH THEIR ACQUISITION PROCESS

1270
00:34:37,809 --> 00:34:39,177
AND THEIR COLLECTIONS, AS PART

1271
00:34:39,243 --> 00:34:41,112
OF A LONG-OVERDUE CONVERSATION

1272
00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:43,147
ABOUT WHERE THEIR ITEMS CAME

1273
00:34:43,214 --> 00:34:45,249
FROM, AND WHETHER ANYONE WANTS

1274
00:34:45,316 --> 00:34:45,516
THEM BACK.

1275
00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:47,952
SOME COUNTRIES MIGHT EVEN BE

1276
00:34:48,019 --> 00:34:48,986
WILLING TO LOAN ITEMS OUT TO

1277
00:34:49,053 --> 00:34:49,787
MUSEUMS AROUND THE WORLD, BUT

1278
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WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF

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WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THEM.

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THE POINT IS, THAT CONVERSATION

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SHOULD BE LED BY THE GROUPS

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THOSE ITEMS ORIGINALLY BELONGED

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TO.

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BECAUSE WHILE OBVIOUSLY, MUSEUMS

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SHOULDN'T BE VIOLATING THE LAW,

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THEY SHOULDN'T BE VIOLATING

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BASIC MORAL DECENCY, EITHER.

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THERE IS SO MUCH WE NEED TO DO

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TO RECKON WITH THE HARMS, PAST

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AND PRESENT, OF COLONIALISM.

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BUT THIS SHOULD BE THE EASY

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PART.

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AND UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE

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GENUINELY ENGAGE IN THAT

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RECKONING, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT A

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POTENTIAL PLAN B.

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♪ ♪

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>> HI, I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE YOU

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TO THE PAYBACK MUSEUM.

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THE FIRST PUBLIC MUSEUM IN THE

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WORLD DEVOTED TO PROVIDING

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RECOURSE TO NATIONS WHO HAVE

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00:35:38,369 --> 00:35:40,605
BEEN PLUNDERED OF THEIR GREATEST

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00:35:40,671 --> 00:35:42,540
TREASURES THROUGHOUT HISTORY BY

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COLONIAL DICK HEADS.

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00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:46,344
THIS IS A COLLECTION ALL ABOUT

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DISCONNECTING PEOPLE,

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SPECIFICALLY DISCONNECTING

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WESTERN COUNTRIES FROM THEIR

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00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:51,482
SHIT THE WAY EVERYONE ELSE --

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COME ON, I'LL SHOW YOU AROUND.

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WELCOME TO OUR AFRICA WING, THIS

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00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:59,023
IS WHERE THERE SHOULD BE

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BRONZES, THE SPECTACULAR TABLETS

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THAT TELL THE COMPREHENSIVE

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STORY OF THE GLORIOUS KINGDOM.

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00:36:04,529 --> 00:36:05,329
BUT THEY WERE PUT IN THE BACK,

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SHAKEN AND DUMPED OUT OVER

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EUROPE LOOK A BUNCH OF SCRABBLE

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LETTERS SO UNTIL WE GET THEM

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00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,303
BACK, THIS ROOM IS HOME TO ONE

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OF THE STONEHENGE ARCHES!

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YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED YOUR

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00:36:18,175 --> 00:36:22,480
MISSING ONE, YOU T TO MIKE WE TK

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IT BECAUSE YOU WERE JUST LEAVING

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IT OUT AND GETTING IT WET,

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THERE'S GRASS AND SHIT ON IT.

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WE WON'T THINK ABOUT RETURNING

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IT AND STILL YOU START CARING

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ABOUT WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.

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HONESTLY I DON'T LIKE IT, I

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THINK THE STONE HEDGE SUCKS

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I DON'T WANT TO RETURN THEM TO

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SPITE YOU.

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ARE YOU HAVING FUN?

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I AM.

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AT LATIN AMERICA WE WANTED TO

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FEATURE A COLLECTION OF GORGEOUS

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ANCIENT INDIGENOUS PERUVIAN

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TEXTILES BUT THEY ARE ALL IN A

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MUSEUM, SO INSTEAD WE HAVE THE

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LIBERTY BELL!

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AN EARLY AMERICAN EXAMPLE OF A

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FUCKING BELL.

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WE DIDN'T STOP THERE.

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WE ALSO HAVE MOUNT RUSHMORE TO

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BE MORE ACCURATE JUST THE TIP

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AND TO BE MORE SPECIFIC OF

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GEORGE WASHINGTON'S NOSE.

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[LAUGHTER]

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YOU MIGHT BE THINKING WHY ARE

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YOU DEPRIVING THOUSANDS OF BORED

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SCHOOLCHILDREN THE SITE OF THIS

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OVERSIZED NOSE OF THIS FUCKED UP

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DINNER?

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WHOEVER LOVES THE BABY BASKETS

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THE BABY AND YOUR BABIES GOT GO

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GOT.

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NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING REALLY

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SPECIAL, I'M THRILLED TO

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ANNOUNCE THE GRAND OPENING OF A

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STATE-OF-THE-ART ASIA WING WHERE

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WE DISPLAY A NUMBER OF PRICELESS

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TENTH CENTURY RELIGIOUS STATUES

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OR AT LEAST WE WERE.

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NOW WE ONLY HAVE THEIR FEET.

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INSTEAD WE GOT A COUPLE THINGS

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FROM FRANCE.

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WE GOT MOST OF THE MONA LISA,

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OVERRATED BUNCH OF SHIT FROM

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VERSE I, I SWEAR WE ARE GOING TO

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FRAME AT SOME POINT TACK IN OUR

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COLLEGE WALL IN OUR DORM ROOM.

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THE STORY OF ITS OWNERSHIP CAN

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BE JUST AS INTERESTING AS THE

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ART ITSELF, WHO OWNED IT, WHO

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LOVED US, WHO YELLED STOP AS WE

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RAN OUT OF THE MUSEUM WITH IT

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WHICH HAPPENED BUT IT DEFINITELY

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DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE

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PAPERS TO SAY IT'S FINE.

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IF YOU COME WITH ME, OUR LAST

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STOP IS WHERE THE REAL TREASURES

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ARE.

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HERE WE ARE IN THE STOREROOM

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WHERE WE KEEP SOME OF THE MOST

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PRIZED POSSESSIONS, ITEMS SO

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VALUABLE WE KNOW IT'S

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INDEFENSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE THEM

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COME AT THE GOOD SHIT.

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EVERY ONE OF THESE BOXES WILL

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BLOW YOUR MIND TO.

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WE GOT LOOT, MORE LOOT, THIS ONE

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IS VERY, VERY SPECIAL.

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IN THIS BOX LIFE THREE OF GERALD

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FORD'S RIBS.

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YOU WONDER WHY DO WE HAVE THEM?

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US BECAUSE WE CANNOT GET FOUR.

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YOU THINK HE HASN'T BEEN DEAD

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NEARLY LONG ENOUGH FOR THAT TO

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BE OKAY AND I SAY OH, YEAH?

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HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO BE DEAD

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FOR IT TO BE OKAY?

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GIVE ME A NUMBER HOW LONG AFTER

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HIS DEATH IT'S OKAY TO HAVE PART

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OF HIS BODY SWEATING IN A

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MUSEUMS HOT STORAGE.

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IF YOU HEAR FROM ONE OF THE

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COUNTRIES WHO OWN THIS STUFF,

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ENJOY IT.

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OUR MUSEUM IS A REPOSITORY SO

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YOU CAN VISIT YOUR STUFF ANYTIME

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BETWEEN 9:00 A.M. AT 4:00 P.M.

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AND NOT ON MONDAYS.

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I KNOW YOU MIGHT WANT SOME OF

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THIS STUFF BACK AND WE WOULD

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LOVE TO GIVE IT BACK TO YOU BUT

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IF WE GIVE IT TO YOU EVERYONE

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ELSE IS GOING TO LINE UP AND

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00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:29,433
SUDDENLY THIS WHOLE PLACE IS

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EMPTY.

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SO THE ANSWER IS NO.

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IT'S ALL OURS FOREVER.

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SMELLS LIKE PAYBACK.

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[LAUGHTER]

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OR DUST.

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[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

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>> John: THAT'S OUR SHOW,

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING,