1 00:00:02,001 --> 00:00:03,036 >> A POLITICAL DEAL THAT SURPRISED EVEN WASHINGTON 2 00:00:03,103 --> 00:00:05,939 INSIDERS. WEST VIRGINIA DEMOCRAT SENATOR 3 00:00:06,005 --> 00:00:09,943 JOE MANCHIN REVERSING COURSE AND AGREEING TO SUPPORT ITS PARTY'S 4 00:00:10,009 --> 00:00:11,711 CLIMATE CHANGE HEALTHCARE, AND TAXES BILL. 5 00:00:11,778 --> 00:00:15,949 >> YOU NEVER SEE WASHINGTON SURPRISED LIKE IT IS THIS 6 00:00:16,015 --> 00:00:17,550 MORNING. >> WHAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 7 00:00:17,617 --> 00:00:21,454 >> SHUT UP! >> I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT I AM 8 00:00:21,521 --> 00:00:22,255 HEARING! >> COME ON! 9 00:00:22,322 --> 00:00:29,462 >> NO WAY! >> ARE YOU FOR REAL! 10 00:00:29,529 --> 00:00:31,664 >> THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! >> WHAT! 11 00:00:31,731 --> 00:00:34,167 >> WHAT! >> WHAT? 12 00:00:34,234 --> 00:00:36,970 >> WHAT! >> WHAT'S HAPPENING! 13 00:00:37,036 --> 00:00:38,104 >> Announcer: IT'S "THE LATE SHOW WITH STEPHEN COLBERT." 14 00:00:38,171 --> 00:00:45,678 TONIGHT: 15 00:00:45,745 --> 00:00:50,984 PLUS, STEPHEN WELCOMES: JONATHAN KARL 16 00:00:51,050 --> 00:00:56,122 AND B.J. NOVAK FEATURING JON BATISTE AND STAY 17 00:00:56,189 --> 00:00:59,893 HUMAN. WITH SPECIAL GUEST ST. VINCENT. 18 00:00:59,959 --> 00:01:02,996 AND NOW, LIVE ON TAPE FROM THE ED SULLIVAN THEATER IN NEW YORK 19 00:01:03,062 --> 00:01:11,104 CITY, IT'S STEPHEN COLBERT! 20 00:01:11,171 --> 00:01:21,047 >> Stephen: HELLO! ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) 21 00:01:21,114 --> 00:01:31,491 >> Stephen: NICE TO SEE YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. 22 00:01:31,558 --> 00:01:34,060 NICE TO SEE YOU. HAPPY THURSDAY. 23 00:01:34,127 --> 00:01:37,096 HAPPY THURSDAY. PLEASE, HAVE A SEAT, EVERYBODY, 24 00:01:37,163 --> 00:01:38,898 PLEASE! YOU'RE VERY KIND. 25 00:01:38,965 --> 00:01:41,701 VERY NICE. WELCOME, ONE AND ALL TO "THE 26 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:45,572 LATE SHOW." I AM YOUR HOST, STEPHEN COLBERT. 27 00:01:45,638 --> 00:01:48,074 LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION-- QUICK QUESTION. 28 00:01:48,141 --> 00:01:51,344 SHOW OF HANDS: ANYONE HERE LIVE ON EARTH? 29 00:01:51,411 --> 00:01:55,515 I'VE GOT SOME WONDERFUL NEWS FOR YOU, BECAUSE YESTERDAY, OUT OF 30 00:01:55,582 --> 00:02:00,186 NOWHERE SENATOR JOE MANCHIN REACHED A DEAL WITH HIS 31 00:02:00,253 --> 00:02:02,989 DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES ON A BILL THAT WOULD LOWER HEALTHCARE 32 00:02:03,056 --> 00:02:07,760 COSTS, REDUCE THE FEDERAL DEFICIT, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, 33 00:02:07,827 --> 00:02:08,995 COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE. ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) 34 00:02:09,062 --> 00:02:14,634 WHAT? JOE MANCHIN IS FIGHTING CLIMATE 35 00:02:14,701 --> 00:02:17,070 CHANGE? WAIT, AM I DREAMING? 36 00:02:17,136 --> 00:02:20,940 I HAVE ALL MY TEETH, I'M NOT A SKELETON, YOU'RE ALL WEARING 37 00:02:21,007 --> 00:02:25,078 CLOTHES, I'M RICH AND FAMOUS... NO, THIS IS REAL. 38 00:02:25,144 --> 00:02:26,980 THIS IS A BIG DEAL. THE SIZE OF THE BIG? 39 00:02:27,046 --> 00:02:30,884 GRANDE. IT PROVIDES $370 BILLION IN NEW 40 00:02:30,950 --> 00:02:32,986 SPENDING TO FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING. 41 00:02:33,052 --> 00:02:36,022 AND ACCORDING TO EXPERTS, BY 2030, THIS PLAN WOULD REDUCE 42 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:38,992 U.S. CARBON EMISSIONS BY ROUGHLY 40%. 43 00:02:39,058 --> 00:02:41,961 THAT IS-- ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) 44 00:02:42,028 --> 00:02:50,670 THAT IS GOOD NEWS. AND I'M BEING TOLD WE HAVE 45 00:02:50,737 --> 00:02:55,975 A REACTION FROM THE ARCTIC: ♪ ♪ ♪ 46 00:02:56,042 --> 00:03:00,013 >> WOOO! >> HEY, EVERYBODY, WE'RE ALL 47 00:03:00,079 --> 00:03:03,182 GONNA GET LAID! >> PARTY! 48 00:03:03,249 --> 00:03:08,388 >> Stephen: TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, AMONG OTHER THINGS, 49 00:03:08,454 --> 00:03:13,059 THE BILL PROVIDES TAX CREDITS TO BOOST SOLAR PANELS, BATTERIES, 50 00:03:13,126 --> 00:03:18,398 AND OTHER TECHNOLOGIES, AND ALSO MAKES IT COSTLY TO EMIT METHANE. 51 00:03:18,464 --> 00:03:22,936 SLIGHT HITCH. SLIGHT HITCH ON THAT LAST ONE: 52 00:03:23,002 --> 00:03:29,742 FROM NOW ON, YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY A $10 TOLL EVERY TIME YOU FART. 53 00:03:29,809 --> 00:03:32,946 DON'T WORRY. THERE'S GOING TO BE AN E-ZPASS. 54 00:03:33,012 --> 00:03:34,180 YOU'RE NOT GONNA LIKE WHERE IT GOES. 55 00:03:34,247 --> 00:03:36,082 THE BILL PAYS FOR ITSELF BY SETTING A 15% CORPORATE MINIMUM 56 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:40,186 TAX RATE ON BILLION-DOLLAR COMPANIES OR LARGER, 57 00:03:40,253 --> 00:03:45,091 ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) FUNDING TO HELP BEEF UP TAX 58 00:03:45,158 --> 00:03:50,063 ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR WEALTHY AMERICANS. 59 00:03:50,129 --> 00:03:55,568 FINALLY, THE MEGA-RICH WILL HAVE TO PAY ANY TAXES AT ALL. 60 00:03:55,635 --> 00:04:00,206 IT'S GOT ELON MUSK SO SCARED HE'S AS WHITE AS A GHOST. 61 00:04:00,273 --> 00:04:04,377 PEOPLE ARE VERY EXCITED. PEOPLE, I AM TOLD, ARE VERY 62 00:04:04,444 --> 00:04:08,481 EXCITED ABOUT THE BILL. INCLUDING PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHO 63 00:04:08,548 --> 00:04:12,185 SAID, "THIS IS THE ACTION THE AMRICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN 64 00:04:12,251 --> 00:04:13,920 WAITING FOR." TECHNICALLY, SIR, TECHNICALLY, 65 00:04:13,987 --> 00:04:17,924 THAT WAS "TOP GUN: MAVERICK." CRUISE HAS STILL GOT IT! 66 00:04:17,991 --> 00:04:19,859 WE MISS YOU, GOOSE. MANCHIN'S ANNOUNCEMENT SHOCKED 67 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:24,931 EVERYONE, BECAUSE HE HAS OPPOSED THESE PROVISIONS FOR MONTHS. 68 00:04:24,998 --> 00:04:28,935 IN FACT, THIS BILL IS A MARKED DEPARTURE FROM MANCHIN'S 69 00:04:29,002 --> 00:04:30,803 POSITION ONLY DAYS EARLIER. SO WHAT HAPPENED? 70 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:36,242 TURNS OUT MANCHIN WAS VISITED BY THE GHOST OF CLIMATE FUTURE: 71 00:04:36,309 --> 00:04:39,646 >> YOU THERE, BOY. WHAT DAY IS TODAY? 72 00:04:39,712 --> 00:04:43,950 >> WHY, IT'S JULY 27, OF COURSE! >> GO DOWN TO THE SENATE AND GET 73 00:04:44,017 --> 00:04:47,553 ME $370 BILLION OF CLIMATE SPENDING. 74 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:54,360 HURRY, IT'S SNOWING IN JULY! THAT'S (BLEEPED) UP! 75 00:04:54,427 --> 00:04:57,063 >> Stephen: STILL-- STILL GET YOU. 76 00:04:57,130 --> 00:05:03,569 IT'S SO-- IT GETS YOU, YOU KNOW. ALL THESE PROVISIONS WERE 77 00:05:03,636 --> 00:05:07,473 ORIGINALLY JOE BIDEN'S IDEA, BUT IN HIS ANNOUNCEMENT, MANCHIN 78 00:05:07,540 --> 00:05:10,009 PROCLAIMED, "'BUILD BACK BETTER' IS DEAD, AND INSTEAD, WE 79 00:05:10,076 --> 00:05:12,412 HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY STRONGER BY BRINGING 80 00:05:12,478 --> 00:05:13,880 AMERICANS TOGETHER." YES, "BUILD BACK BETTER" IS 81 00:05:13,946 --> 00:05:18,451 DEAD. INSTEAD, MANCHIN'S GOING TO... 82 00:05:18,518 --> 00:05:23,489 CONSTRUCT AGAIN... THINGS MORE GOOD. 83 00:05:23,556 --> 00:05:32,131 ( LAUGHTER ) HIS CHANGE-- HIS CHANGE OF 84 00:05:32,198 --> 00:05:36,803 HEART-- MANCHIN'S, I MEAN, HIS CHANGE OF HEART REALLY 85 00:05:36,869 --> 00:05:40,206 SURPRISED SENATE MINORITY LEADER AND TAXIDERMIED CHICKEN THIGH, 86 00:05:40,273 --> 00:05:43,543 MITCH McCONNELL McCONNELL CAN'T FILIBUSTER THIS 87 00:05:43,609 --> 00:05:44,844 BILL, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET RECONCILIATION 88 00:05:44,911 --> 00:05:48,214 PROCESS. BUT TO DISSUADE DEMOCRATS FROM 89 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:51,751 EVEN TRYING THAT, MCCONNELL HAD THREATENED THAT REPUBLICANS 90 00:05:51,818 --> 00:05:58,357 WOULD BLOCK A DIFFERENT BILL, A POPULAR SEMICONDUCTOR CHIP 91 00:05:58,424 --> 00:06:01,227 BILL THAT WOULD MAKE THE U.S. MORE COMPETITIVE WITH CHINA 92 00:06:01,294 --> 00:06:02,428 CALLED,"THE CHIPS AND SCIENCE ACT." 93 00:06:02,495 --> 00:06:03,963 WHICH I BELIEVE ALSO PAYS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW THREE- 94 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:05,598 DIMENSIONAL COOL RANCH TECHNOLOGY. 95 00:06:05,665 --> 00:06:12,905 IT'S LIKE THE SODIUM IS COMING RIGHT AT YOU. 96 00:06:12,972 --> 00:06:14,474 YESTERDAY, McCONNELL DID ALLOW THAT CHIP BILL TO BE VOTED ON 97 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:20,913 BECAUSE LAST WEEK, MANCHIN SAID HE WAS NEVER VOTING FOR "BUILD 98 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:24,383 BACK BETTER." THEN, JUST HOURS AFTER THE CHIP 99 00:06:24,450 --> 00:06:27,720 BILL PASSED, SCHUMER AND MANCHIN ANNOUNCED THEIR RECONCILIATION 100 00:06:27,787 --> 00:06:28,921 DEAL! BOOM! 101 00:06:28,988 --> 00:06:30,723 THEY PULLED THE OLD BAIT AND MITCH. 102 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:33,760 AND YOU HAVE TO GET UP-- ( LAUGHTER ) 103 00:06:33,826 --> 00:06:36,429 HOLD ON! HOLD ON! 104 00:06:36,496 --> 00:06:42,935 HOLD ON! YOU HAVE TO GET UP PRETTY EARLY 105 00:06:43,002 --> 00:06:44,137 IN THE MORNING TO OUTMANEUVER MITCH MCCONNELL, BECAUSE ONCE 106 00:06:44,203 --> 00:06:47,173 THE SUN WARMS THE ROCK HE'S LYING ON, HE CAN MOVE PRETTY 107 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,344 FAST. PEOPLE ARE CALLING THIS DEAL 108 00:06:51,410 --> 00:06:54,547 "WASHINGTON'S BEST-KEPT SECRET," A TERM PREVIOUSLY USED ONLY TO 109 00:06:54,614 --> 00:07:01,487 DESCRIBE GEORGE'S THIRD NIPPLE. ( LAUGHTER ) 110 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:08,861 PLANET, WE CAN NOW REST EASY AND FREAK OUT ABOUT THE ECONOMY, 111 00:07:08,928 --> 00:07:13,900 BECAUSE TODAY, WE LEARNED THAT THE U.S. ECONOMY SHRANK FOR A 112 00:07:13,966 --> 00:07:16,269 SECOND QUARTER IN A ROW, RAISING FEARS THAT WE COULD BE 113 00:07:16,335 --> 00:07:19,906 ENTERING A RECESSION. WE HAVE A CLIP OF ECONOMISTS 114 00:07:19,972 --> 00:07:20,940 RELEASING THE NEWS THIS MORNING: >> THAT WAS SCARY. 115 00:07:21,007 --> 00:07:25,011 THE NUMBERS WERE SCARY. ( LAUGHTER ) 116 00:07:25,077 --> 00:07:28,481 RECESSION. OR ARE WE? 117 00:07:28,548 --> 00:07:31,984 ACCORDING TO THE WHITE HOUSE, TWO CONSECUTIVE QUARTERS OF 118 00:07:32,051 --> 00:07:33,186 ECONOMIC CONTRACTION DOES NOT, IN AND OF ITSELF, CONSTITUTE A 119 00:07:33,252 --> 00:07:38,791 RECESSION. THANKFULLY, WE HAVE CABLE NEWS 120 00:07:38,858 --> 00:07:44,630 TO CUT THROUGH ALL THE SPIN AND GIVE US SOME STRAIGHT ANSWERS. 121 00:07:44,697 --> 00:07:45,932 CNN, WE'VE HAD BACK-TO-BACK QUARTERS OF NEGATIVE GROWTH. 122 00:07:45,998 --> 00:07:48,935 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN HISTORICALLY? 123 00:07:49,001 --> 00:07:52,939 >> EVERY SINGLE TIME SINCE 1948 THAT YOU HAVE HAD BACK-TO-BACK 124 00:07:53,005 --> 00:07:59,612 QUARTERS OF NEGATIVE GROWTH, YOU'VE HAD A RECESSION, EVERY 125 00:07:59,679 --> 00:08:00,880 TIME. >> Stephen: SO THAT'S THE CASE 126 00:08:00,947 --> 00:08:02,248 THIS TIME. >> THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE 127 00:08:02,315 --> 00:08:04,217 THE CASE THIS TIME. >> Stephen: OKAY. 128 00:08:04,283 --> 00:08:06,185 STILL, RECESSION-WISE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE HISTORY AS A 129 00:08:06,252 --> 00:08:08,054 GUIDE, RIGHT, MSNBC? >> WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW FAR 130 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,121 WE CAN OR CANNOT USE HISTORY AS A GUIDE. 131 00:08:09,188 --> 00:08:12,925 >> Stephen: SURE. BUT AT THE BARE MINIMUM, ON THE 132 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:16,295 G.D.P. NEXT QUARTER, UP OR DOWN? >> THIS IS A NUMBER THAT COULD 133 00:08:16,362 --> 00:08:19,832 TURN POSITIVE, COULD TURN MORE NEGATIVE. 134 00:08:19,899 --> 00:08:22,635 >> Stephen: OKAY. LAST QUESTION: DO YOU NEED ANY 135 00:08:22,702 --> 00:08:24,871 QUALIFICATIONS AT ALL TO GO ON TV AND TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY? 136 00:08:24,937 --> 00:08:28,674 >> IT'S REALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL. 137 00:08:28,741 --> 00:08:32,812 ( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: SO-- 138 00:08:32,879 --> 00:08:40,052 ( APPLAUSE ). >> Stephen: SO, ALL OF YOU ALL 139 00:08:40,119 --> 00:08:41,187 ARE JUST TAKING STABS IN THE DARK LIKE YOU WANDERED 140 00:08:41,254 --> 00:08:42,421 BLINDFOLDED INTO A CAVE? >> WHERE ARE WE? 141 00:08:42,488 --> 00:08:43,990 HOW LONG IS THE TUNNEL? DO WE KNOW? 142 00:08:44,056 --> 00:08:47,460 >> Stephen: THANK YOU, CABLE NEWS. 143 00:08:47,526 --> 00:08:49,495 SO, THE ECONOMY IS SHRINKING, AND INFLATION IS STILL BLOWING 144 00:08:49,562 --> 00:08:52,331 UP, AND IT'S HITTING US RIGHT IN THE BREAKFAST NOOK, BECAUSE IT'S 145 00:08:52,398 --> 00:08:55,468 REACHED A NEW YORK CITY BODEGA FAVORITE: THE BACON, EGG, AND 146 00:08:55,534 --> 00:08:58,804 CHEESE. NO! 147 00:08:58,871 --> 00:09:01,674 THAT'S THE BEST THING ABOUT THE BODEGA! 148 00:09:01,741 --> 00:09:05,578 AFTER THE DUSTY CAN OF GRAPE SODA, OATMEAL COOKIES FROM THE 149 00:09:05,645 --> 00:09:10,616 90s, AND THE ANGRY CAT. THE PRICE OF THE BACON, EGG, AND 150 00:09:10,683 --> 00:09:17,056 CHEESE HAS SKYROCKETED FROM $2.50 TO $4.50. 151 00:09:17,123 --> 00:09:21,327 MAN, THAT TAKES A LOT OF CHEDDAR TO BRING HOME THAT BACON. 152 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:22,561 AND THIS IS-- ( LAUGHTER ) 153 00:09:22,628 --> 00:09:25,965 WOW, WOW. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO 154 00:09:26,032 --> 00:09:32,171 HIT WITH THE THE BAND. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW... 155 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:33,773 THIS IS A TOUGH BLOW TO CITY COMMUTERS, BECAUSE THE BACON, 156 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:35,341 EGG, AND CHEESE IS A STAPLE IN MANY NEW YORKERS' DIETS. 157 00:09:35,408 --> 00:09:43,416 YES, BECAUSE IT'S GOT ALL THE ESSENTIAL FOOD GROUPS: 158 00:09:43,482 --> 00:09:47,153 BACON, FOIL, AND YELLOW. ED A LITTLE BIT OF FOIL. 159 00:09:47,219 --> 00:09:52,925 JUST A LITTLE-- LITTLE FOIL. RISING PRICES ARE ALSO HITTING 160 00:09:52,992 --> 00:09:56,095 NEW YORK'S DESSERTS, BECAUSE ICE CREAM TRUCKS ARE THE LATEST 161 00:09:56,162 --> 00:10:00,066 TARGET OF INFLATION. FIRST, WE LOSE THE CHOCO TACO 162 00:10:00,132 --> 00:10:03,936 AND NOW OUR SOFT SERVE. ICE CREAM TRUCKS USED TO BE 163 00:10:04,003 --> 00:10:10,376 LUCRATIVE, BUT NOT ANYMORE, NOW THAT GAS PRICES ARE UP AND A 164 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:14,046 25-POUND BOX OF SPRINKLES GOES FOR ABOUT $60, DOUBLE WHAT IT 165 00:10:14,113 --> 00:10:16,449 COST A YEAR AGO. WHICH REALLY MAKES "SPRINKLES" 166 00:10:16,515 --> 00:10:23,456 SOUND LIKE A STREET DRUG: >> PSSST! 167 00:10:23,522 --> 00:10:24,557 HEY, YOU WANNA SWEETEN YOUR CONE? 168 00:10:24,623 --> 00:10:25,424 60 BUCKS FOR 25 POUNDS. TAKE THEM WITH A FRIEND IN A 169 00:10:25,491 --> 00:10:29,395 SAFE PLACE. DRINK A LOTTA WATER." 170 00:10:29,462 --> 00:10:34,967 NOW ICE CREAM TRUCKS ARE ON THE VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY. 171 00:10:35,034 --> 00:10:38,637 MISTER SOFTEE'S SO DESPERATE, HE'LL LET YOU LICK HIS HAIR FOR 172 00:10:38,704 --> 00:10:40,673 50 BUCKS BEHIND THE BUS STOP. ( LAUGHTER ) 173 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:44,777 CREAM TRUCKS MIGHT BECOME A THING OF THE PAST. 174 00:10:44,844 --> 00:10:47,146 IT'S SUCH A SHAME. IF WE DON'T HAVE ICE CREAM 175 00:10:47,213 --> 00:10:50,750 TRUCKS, KIDS WILL NO LONGER HAVE A REASON TO GATHER IN THE STREET 176 00:10:50,816 --> 00:10:57,990 TO HAPPY JINGLES LIKE THIS: ♪ ♪ ♪ 177 00:10:58,057 --> 00:11:00,426 COME, CHILDREN. HEED THE SIREN SONG OF THE 178 00:11:00,493 --> 00:11:01,627 MYSTERY VAN AND COLLECT YOUR SWEET TREATS. 179 00:11:01,694 --> 00:11:08,934 DO MAKE HASTE, FOR THE VAN WILL NOT BE HERE ON THE MORROW. 180 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:11,270 WE ACCEPT VENMO. ( LAUGHTER ) 181 00:11:11,337 --> 00:11:13,672 WE'VE GOT A GREAT SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT. 182 00:11:13,739 --> 00:11:15,674 MY GUESTS ARE JONATHAN KARL AND B.J. NOVAK. 183 00:11:15,741 --> 00:11:23,049 BUT WHEN WE COME BACK, "MEANWHILE"! 184 00:11:23,115 --> 00:11:25,117 STICK AROUND! 185 00:12:18,003 --> 00:12:20,372 ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ). EVERYBODY. 186 00:12:20,439 --> 00:12:25,044 SAY HI TO ST. VINCENT AND LOUIS CATO AND THE BAND, EVERYBODY! 187 00:12:25,111 --> 00:12:26,479 THERE YOU GO. MY GOODNESS. 188 00:12:26,545 --> 00:12:27,980 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL. 189 00:12:28,047 --> 00:12:30,049 THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHAT A GREAT WAY TO START THE 190 00:12:30,116 --> 00:12:33,018 WORK DAY. LOUIS, TONIGHT, WE'VE GOT A 191 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:35,855 COUPLE OF LOVELY FELLOWS OUT HERE. 192 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:38,157 ABC NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT JONATHAN KARL IS 193 00:12:38,224 --> 00:12:40,526 GOING TO BE OUT HERE IN JUST A LITTLE WHILE. 194 00:12:40,593 --> 00:12:44,463 HE'S GOT HIS BOOK "BETRAYAL," WHICH IS ABOUT JANUARY 6 AND ALL 195 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:47,500 THE EVENTS LEADING UP TO THAT. BROKE SOME NEWS THE LAST FEW 196 00:12:47,566 --> 00:12:50,903 DAYS OVER THERE. AND OF COURSE EVERYBODY LOVES 197 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:53,739 "THE OFFICE," B.J. NOVAK IS GOING TO BE OUT HERE. 198 00:12:53,806 --> 00:12:56,909 HE HAS A NEW FILM CALLED "VENGEANCE." 199 00:12:56,976 --> 00:12:59,645 ST. VINCENT, I JUST HAVE TO SAY TO YOU REALLY QUICK. 200 00:12:59,712 --> 00:13:01,547 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE THIS WEEK. 201 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:05,784 IT HAS BEEN SUCH A JOY TO HAVE YOU OVER THERE WITH THE BAND. 202 00:13:05,851 --> 00:13:09,855 >> Louis: TRULY, FOR REAL, FOR REAL. 203 00:13:09,922 --> 00:13:11,690 >> Stephen: I HOPE YOU HAVE HAD FUN. 204 00:13:11,757 --> 00:13:13,959 >> I HAVE HAD THE TIME OF MY LIFE. 205 00:13:14,026 --> 00:13:19,064 >> Stephen: AREN'T THESE AMAZING PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH IN A 206 00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:20,332 BEAUTIFUL SPACE. ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ). 207 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:22,735 ALL RIGHT, I DON'T WANT TO FREAK YOU OUT, BUT I WANT TO SHOI A 208 00:13:22,801 --> 00:13:36,582 PHOTO I KEEP IN MY OFFICE. I KEEP THAT PHOTO IN MY OFFICE. 209 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:40,753 ( APPLAUSE ) THESE DAYS CAN BE KIND OF HARD 210 00:13:40,819 --> 00:13:43,689 DOING THE SHOW. IT'S A BIT OF A GRIND HERE, AS 211 00:13:43,756 --> 00:13:46,125 ANYBODY WOULD TELL YOU. IT'S A GREAT JOB, AND I'M 212 00:13:46,192 --> 00:13:50,062 PRIVILEGED TO HAVE IT. AND I LOOK AT THIS AND GO LOOK 213 00:13:50,129 --> 00:13:53,432 WHO I GET TO MEET. LOOK AT THE AYERSTS I HAVE ON 214 00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:56,502 THE SHOW, AND YOU ARE AN EXEMPLAR ON THAT, SO THANK YOU 215 00:13:56,569 --> 00:14:01,674 SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. 216 00:14:01,740 --> 00:14:05,844 ( APPLAUSE ) OF MY TIME, RIGHT OVER THERE, 217 00:14:05,911 --> 00:14:12,084 CAREFULLY SELECTING THE FINEST AND HEALTHIEST NEWS, CROSS- 218 00:14:12,151 --> 00:14:14,320 BREEDING IT WITH SETUPS DESCENDED FROM THE MOST TOPICAL 219 00:14:14,386 --> 00:14:15,921 STORYLINES, THEN HAND-RAISING THEM TO PRODUCE FOR YOU THE 220 00:14:15,988 --> 00:14:17,122 AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB BEST-IN-SHOW-WINNING PRIZED 221 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:18,757 TIBETAN MASTIFF THAT IS MY MONOLOGUE. 222 00:14:18,824 --> 00:14:23,495 BUT SOMETIMES, JUST SOMETIMES, FOLKS, I HUFF FROM A CINCH SACK 223 00:14:23,562 --> 00:14:26,498 FULL OF UNCAPPED FELT-TIP MARKERS, BREAK INTO A ROADSIDE 224 00:14:26,565 --> 00:14:28,500 PETTING ZOO, SPRAY THE PLACE DOWN WITH BLACK MARKET 225 00:14:28,567 --> 00:14:32,238 PHEROMONES, THEN UNLOCK ALL THE CAGES AND UNLEASH A WEEK-LONG 226 00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:36,942 INTERSPECIES ORGY TO PRODUCE THE SHRIEKING, INBRED EVOLUTIONARY 227 00:14:37,009 --> 00:14:42,481 CUL-DE-SAC OF NEWS THAT IS MY SEGMENT: 228 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:53,759 MEANWHILE! ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) 229 00:14:53,826 --> 00:15:04,370 REANIMATED DEAD SPIDERS AS ROBOT GRIPPING CLAWS. 230 00:15:04,436 --> 00:15:05,204 THANK, SCIENCE. THAT IS A HORRIFYING 231 00:15:05,271 --> 00:15:08,907 COLLECTION OF PANTS-CRAPPING TERROR. 232 00:15:08,974 --> 00:15:11,277 IT'S AN IMAGE RIPPED RIGHT FROM THE NIGHTMARES I'LL BE HAVING 233 00:15:11,343 --> 00:15:12,911 LATER TONIGHT. IT'S A VENN DIAGRAM WHERE 234 00:15:12,978 --> 00:15:17,916 SPIDERS, ROBOTS, AND ZOMBIES OVERLAP. 235 00:15:17,983 --> 00:15:21,887 JIMMY, CAN WE ZOOM IN? OH, MY GOD! 236 00:15:21,954 --> 00:15:24,823 SPIDERS APPARENTLY FLEX USING A HYDRAULIC SYSTEM BASED IN THE 237 00:15:24,890 --> 00:15:29,495 TORSO. SO SCIENTISTS AT RICE UNIVERSITY 238 00:15:29,561 --> 00:15:31,330 THOUGHT, HEY, WHAT IF WE JUST JAMMED A NEEDLE IN THERE AND 239 00:15:31,397 --> 00:15:33,866 CONTROLLED IT OURSELVES? I'LL LET "THEM" UPSET YOU. 240 00:15:33,932 --> 00:15:35,868 >> WE TOOK THE SPIDER. WE PLACED THE NEEDLE IN IT, 241 00:15:35,934 --> 00:15:40,906 NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. 242 00:15:40,973 --> 00:15:49,782 WE KIND OF HAD, LIKE, AN ESTIMATE OF WHERE WE WANTED TO 243 00:15:49,848 --> 00:15:56,088 PLACE THE NEEDLE, AND WHEN WE DID IT AND IT WORKED! 244 00:15:56,155 --> 00:15:57,323 THE FIRST TIME, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, ACTUALLY. 245 00:15:57,389 --> 00:15:58,757 AND THAT WAS REALLY... I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO 246 00:15:58,824 --> 00:16:00,559 DESCRIBE IT. >> I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO 247 00:16:00,626 --> 00:16:02,027 DESCRIBE IT. >> Stephen: I DO! 248 00:16:02,094 --> 00:16:04,196 YOU MADE AN ARCADE CLAW MACHINE OUT OF A DEAD ARACHNID. 249 00:16:04,263 --> 00:16:05,898 AND NOW WE LIVE IN A TIM BURTON FEVER DREAM. 250 00:16:05,964 --> 00:16:08,667 THESE RESEARCHERS SAY THAT USING DEAD SPIDERS COULD CREATE CHEAP, 251 00:16:08,734 --> 00:16:10,336 EFFECTIVE, AND BIODEGRADABLE ALTERNATIVES TO CURRENT 252 00:16:10,402 --> 00:16:14,106 ROBOTIC SYSTEMS. AND THEY HAVE DUBBED THEIR NEW 253 00:16:14,173 --> 00:16:23,582 AREA OF RESEARCH "NECROBOTICS." SO THEY'RE NECROBOTS? 254 00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:24,983 THAT IS IN NO WAY REASSURING, THOUGH, THE TITLE ALONE HAS 255 00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:28,053 ALREADY BEEN GREEN LIT AS THE NEXT MICHAEL BAY MOVIE. 256 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,888 NOW, YOU MAY BE ASKING, "STEVE, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE NECROBOT 257 00:16:29,955 --> 00:16:31,890 SPIDERS DEFINITELY RISE UP AND TURN AGAINST US? 258 00:16:31,957 --> 00:16:37,329 HOW WILL WE GET RID OF THEM?" APPARENTLY, THE ANSWER IS USING 259 00:16:37,396 --> 00:16:39,698 OTHER NECROSPIDERS. THAT'S REALLY GOING TO CHANGE 260 00:16:39,765 --> 00:16:41,900 HOW WE REACT TO BUGS IN OUR HOUSE: "OH, MY GOD! 261 00:16:41,967 --> 00:16:45,904 IT'S A SPIDER! GET ME THE SPIDER!" 262 00:16:45,971 --> 00:16:57,950 ( LAUGHTER ) OH, GOD. 263 00:16:58,016 --> 00:17:01,587 >> Stephen: MEANWHILE, EMPLOYEES AT A FRUIT STAND FOUND A WALLET, 264 00:17:01,653 --> 00:17:04,323 AND IT WAS WILLIAM SHATNER'S. ( LAUGHTER ) 265 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:12,498 ( APPLAUSE ) IT'S GOT EVERYTHING. 266 00:17:12,564 --> 00:17:14,400 EVERYTHING'S RIGHT THERE. WORKERS-- WHERE DO THEY WORK? 267 00:17:14,466 --> 00:17:17,870 FRUIT STAND. WHAT DO THEY DO THERE? 268 00:17:17,936 --> 00:17:21,907 FIND WALLETS. WHOSE WALLET? 269 00:17:21,974 --> 00:17:25,911 WILLIAM SHATNER'S. THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO ADD TO 270 00:17:25,978 --> 00:17:28,981 THAT STORY. IT REMINDS ME OF THAT CLASSIC 271 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:30,482 HEMINGWAY STORY: "FOR SALE. 272 00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:33,018 BABY SHOES. THEY'RE WILLIAM SHATNER'S." 273 00:17:33,085 --> 00:17:34,253 MEANWHILE, A NEW CONTEST ASKS: "WANT FREE SUBWAY SANDWICHES FOR 274 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:36,655 LIFE?" NOPE. 275 00:17:36,722 --> 00:17:48,066 ( LAUGHTER ) MEANWHILE, THERE'S BIG TRAVEL 276 00:17:48,133 --> 00:17:51,537 NEWS-- OTHERWISE KNOWN AS "HUDSON NEWS"-- BECAUSE THIS 277 00:17:51,603 --> 00:17:54,540 MORNING, JETBLUE AGREED TO BUY SPIRIT AIRLINES FOR 278 00:17:54,606 --> 00:18:00,045 $3.8 BILLION. IT'S HISTORIC. 279 00:18:00,112 --> 00:18:05,050 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANYONE WANTED SPIRIT AIRLINES. 280 00:18:05,117 --> 00:18:06,385 IT'S NORMALLY THE LAST CHOICE BEHIND, "CAN'T WE JUST WALK FROM 281 00:18:06,452 --> 00:18:09,855 ALBANY TO ROCHESTER?" THIS DEAL COMES AFTER A LONG 282 00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:13,392 BIDDING WAR BETWEEN JETBLUE AND FRONTIER, WHICH IS WHY INSIDERS 283 00:18:13,459 --> 00:18:16,728 SAY GETTING TO AN AGREEMENT WAS A ROCKY PROCESS. 284 00:18:16,795 --> 00:18:21,600 OH, YOU MEAN IT WAS... TURBULENT? 285 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:32,177 ( APPLAUSE ) THE TWO AIRLINES NOW HAVE TO 286 00:18:32,244 --> 00:18:37,149 WAIT FOR REGULATORY APPROVAL, BUT THEY EXPECT TO CLOSE THE 287 00:18:37,216 --> 00:18:40,619 TRANSACTION NO LATER THAN THE FIRST HALF OF 2024. 288 00:18:40,686 --> 00:18:42,588 SOUNDS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT WHILE THEY WAIT, THEY CAN GO TO 289 00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:46,191 SBARRO, MAYBE CHECK OUT THE DUTY-FREE, GET SOME COLOGNE, 290 00:18:46,258 --> 00:18:51,096 LIQUOR, AND 700 CIGARETTES. WALK BACK TO SBARRO. 291 00:18:51,163 --> 00:18:52,598 CONVINCE THEMSELVES THAT 9 A.M. IS LATE ENOUGH FOR A COCKTAIL. 292 00:18:52,664 --> 00:18:57,970 THEN, BOOM, IT'S 2024. BUT I GOTTA SAY, THIS MERGER IS 293 00:18:58,036 --> 00:18:59,638 BITTERSWEET FOR ME, BECAUSE SPIRIT AIRLINES IS ONE OF MY 294 00:18:59,705 --> 00:19:01,473 FAVORITE COMPANIES TO MAKE FUN OF. 295 00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:05,911 HERE'S A TASTE. MEANWHILE, AIRLINE PASSENGERS 296 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:13,519 WERE STUNNED WHEN A WOMEN WAS CAUGHT BREASTFEEDING HER 297 00:19:13,585 --> 00:19:15,821 HAIRLESS CAT ON A DELTA FLIGHT. I KNOW, SHOCKING... 298 00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:18,557 THAT THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN ON SPIRIT AIRLINES. 299 00:19:18,624 --> 00:19:22,261 ( LAUGHTER ) SPIRIT AIRLINES RELEASED THIS 300 00:19:22,327 --> 00:19:25,764 PRO-PRIDE STATEMENT: "AT SPIRIT, WE EMBRACE ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE 301 00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:29,868 WILLING TO SIT IN PET CARGO AND PAY FOR THEIR GINGER ALE AND 302 00:19:29,935 --> 00:19:32,104 PEANUTS WITH HUMAN TEETH. DELTA UPDATED THEIR WEBSITE TO 303 00:19:32,170 --> 00:19:36,108 SAY MASKS ARE NOW OPTIONAL FOR EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS 304 00:19:36,174 --> 00:19:38,176 FOLLOWING THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCEMENT, WHILE SPIRIT 305 00:19:38,243 --> 00:19:40,145 AIRLINES RELEASED THIS COCKTAIL NAPKIN: "SPIRIT HAS NEVER VALUED 306 00:19:40,212 --> 00:19:43,115 HUMAN LIFE." ( LAUGHTER ) 307 00:19:43,181 --> 00:19:49,788 IN YOUR HONOR, I RAISE A NON-COMPLIMENTARY GLASS OF 308 00:19:49,855 --> 00:19:52,224 UNREFRIGERATED ORANGE DRINK. MAY YOU LAYOVER IN HELL. 309 00:19:52,291 --> 00:19:54,293 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH JONATHAN KARL. 310 00:20:23,021 --> 00:20:29,161 >> Stephen: ST. VINCENT, EVERYBODY! 311 00:20:29,227 --> 00:20:35,968 CONCLUDE BACK. FOLKS, MY FIRST GUEST IS THE 312 00:20:36,034 --> 00:20:38,937 CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT FOR ABC NEWS, CO-ANCHOR OF 313 00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:40,939 "THIS WEEK WITH GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS," AND AUTHOR OF 314 00:20:41,006 --> 00:20:43,008 "BETRAYAL." PLEASE WELCOME, JONATHAN KARL! 315 00:20:47,346 --> 00:20:58,757 ( APPLAUSE ). >> Stephen: JONATHAN, GOOD TO 316 00:20:58,824 --> 00:21:00,192 SEE YOU AGAIN. >> GREAT TO BE HERE. 317 00:21:00,258 --> 00:21:03,428 >> Stephen: NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT-- I THINK YOU'VE GOT 318 00:21:03,495 --> 00:21:06,131 MULTIPLE SCOOPS THIS WEEK. BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE OF YOUR 319 00:21:06,198 --> 00:21:08,834 SCOOPS THIS WEEK. YOU REPORTED THAT MIKE POMPEO IS 320 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:12,504 NOW IN TALKS TO TALK TO THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE. 321 00:21:12,571 --> 00:21:17,275 FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS "IN TALKS TO TALK" MEAN? 322 00:21:17,342 --> 00:21:19,444 AREN'T YOU ALREADY TALKING IF YOU'RE IN TALKS. 323 00:21:19,511 --> 00:21:22,514 >> WELL, THEY NEGOTIATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS. 324 00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:24,916 THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS -- >> Stephen: WHY DO YOU GET TO 325 00:21:24,983 --> 00:21:28,820 DO THAT? IF YOU'RE JUST SOME CITIZEN OUT 326 00:21:28,887 --> 00:21:31,223 THERE. HE'S JUST SOME GUY FROM KANSAS 327 00:21:31,289 --> 00:21:32,424 AT THIS POINT. >> HERE'S WHY. 328 00:21:32,491 --> 00:21:36,228 >> Stephen: WHY CAN'T THEY DRAG HIM IN BY THE SCRUFF OF THE 329 00:21:36,294 --> 00:21:37,162 NECK? >> THAT WOULD BE NICE. 330 00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:40,198 YOU DO A SUBPOENA. AND HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THE 331 00:21:40,265 --> 00:21:41,900 SUBPOENA. STEVE BANNON IS FINALLY GUILTY 332 00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:46,338 FOR DEFYING A SUBPOENA. ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ). 333 00:21:46,405 --> 00:21:49,307 THAT WAS A YEAR! THEY WANT TO GET HIM IN QUICKLY 334 00:21:49,374 --> 00:21:50,575 BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. 335 00:21:50,642 --> 00:21:55,480 >> Stephen: SO WHAT DEDO YOU THINK POMPEO, HEAD OF C.I.A., 336 00:21:55,547 --> 00:21:57,683 SECRETARY OF STATE, BEFORE THAT A CONGRESSMAN. 337 00:21:57,749 --> 00:22:00,452 SO HE MIGHT RESPECT CONGRESS' SUBPOENA AUTHORITY. 338 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,622 >> HE USED IT AS A CONGRESSMAN. >> Stephen: HE DID, OKAY. 339 00:22:03,689 --> 00:22:06,391 WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'RE MOST INTERESTED IN TALKING TO HIM 340 00:22:06,458 --> 00:22:07,993 ABOUT? >> I KNOW WHAT I'M MOST 341 00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:12,631 INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM HIM, SO I ASSUME IT'S WHERE THEY ARE. 342 00:22:12,698 --> 00:22:14,866 IT'S DISCUSSIONS OF THE 25th AMENDMENT. 343 00:22:14,933 --> 00:22:19,304 AS YOU REMEMBER, I REPORTED IN THE BOOK THAT HE HAD-- YOU'VE 344 00:22:19,371 --> 00:22:21,640 GOT THAT. "BETRAYAL." 345 00:22:21,707 --> 00:22:23,575 >> Stephen: "BETRAYAL." LET'S MOVE SOME PAPER. 346 00:22:23,642 --> 00:22:28,313 THERE YOU GO. >> I REPORTED HE AND STEVE 347 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:31,450 MNUCHIN, THE MOST SENIOR PEOPLE IN THE CABINET -- 348 00:22:31,516 --> 00:22:33,919 >> Stephen: STATE, TREASURY. >> YEAH, HAD A CONVERSATION ON 349 00:22:33,985 --> 00:22:35,954 JANUARY 6 ABOUT THE 25th AMENDMENT. 350 00:22:36,021 --> 00:22:39,524 THE 25th AMENDMENT, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT THE CABINET 351 00:22:39,591 --> 00:22:42,994 CAN REMOVE THE PRESIDENT BY DECLARING HIM MENTALLY UNFIT. 352 00:22:43,061 --> 00:22:47,365 THAT'S QUITE A CONVERSATION FOR MIKE POMPEO, WHO HAS BEEN 353 00:22:47,432 --> 00:22:51,470 TOTALLY AND THOROUGHLY LOYAL TO DONALD TRUMP AND STEVE MNUCHIN, 354 00:22:51,536 --> 00:22:54,372 SAME THING, TO HAVE. SO I WOULD SUSPECT THEY -- 355 00:22:54,439 --> 00:22:56,575 >> Stephen: SO, YOU BROKE THAT THEY HAD THE CONVERSATION? 356 00:22:56,641 --> 00:22:58,009 >> YEAH. >> Stephen: IN HERE. 357 00:22:58,076 --> 00:23:00,545 WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK HIM AS A FOLLOW-UP ABOUT THAT? 358 00:23:00,612 --> 00:23:04,182 >> WELL, MAYBE WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT? 359 00:23:04,249 --> 00:23:06,184 WOULD BE ONE POSSIBLE THING. ( APPLAUSE ) 360 00:23:06,251 --> 00:23:08,854 >> NO. SO, SO -- 361 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,689 >> Stephen: HE DOESN'T ADMIT DOING THAT? 362 00:23:10,756 --> 00:23:12,657 >> SO THIS IS KIND OF A WILD STORY. 363 00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:16,661 I REPORTED THIS IT ROCK SOLID THE CONVERSATION HAPPENED, SOME 364 00:23:16,728 --> 00:23:18,964 DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE 25th 365 00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:20,966 AMENDMENT. AND I TRIED TO GET MIKE POMPEO 366 00:23:21,032 --> 00:23:23,935 TO TALK TO ME ABOUT IT. REFUSED, REFUSED. 367 00:23:24,002 --> 00:23:27,172 I WENT TO HIS SPOKESPERSON, PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM. 368 00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:29,674 REFUSED, REFUSED, REFUSED. NOTHING. 369 00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:32,010 AND I HAD ONE LAST CONVERSATION WITH DONALD TRUMP FOR THE BOOK 370 00:23:32,077 --> 00:23:34,146 OVER THE PHONE AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS. 371 00:23:34,212 --> 00:23:37,149 I WAS LIKE, "THESE ARE YOUR TOP GUYS AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT 372 00:23:37,215 --> 00:23:39,985 CALLING YOU MENTALLY UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT." 373 00:23:40,051 --> 00:23:43,321 AND HE SAD, OH, NO, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 374 00:23:43,388 --> 00:23:47,092 TOTALLY DIDN'T HAPPEN." AND I SAID, "WHY WON'T MIKE 375 00:23:47,159 --> 00:23:49,094 POMPEO DENY IT IT? NEITHER OF THEM. 376 00:23:49,161 --> 00:23:52,464 THEY WON'T DENY IT." I SWEAR TO YOU, WITHIN AN HOUR I 377 00:23:52,531 --> 00:23:56,134 GOT A PHONE CALL FROM THE GUY WHO HAD BEEN AVOIDING MY CALLS 378 00:23:56,201 --> 00:24:00,705 FOR MONTHS, MIKE POMPEII'SO SPOKESPERSON SAYING, "NEVER 379 00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:01,840 HAPPENED." >> Stephen: NEVER HAPPENED, 380 00:24:01,907 --> 00:24:04,376 BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT HIS HAND ON A LITTLE BLACK BOOK, 381 00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:06,945 RIGHT? >> THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE 382 00:24:07,012 --> 00:24:10,482 LISTENING TO. AND IS HE GOING TO DENY IT UNDER 383 00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:11,683 OATH? AND HE'S NOT. 384 00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:13,185 >> Stephen: DO YOU EVER WISH YOU HAD SUBPOENA POWER? 385 00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:16,321 >> OH, IT WOULD BE SO GOOD. IT WOULD BE SO GOOD. 386 00:24:16,388 --> 00:24:19,591 >> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK BUT WE'LL BE RIGHT 387 00:24:19,658 --> 00:24:21,660 BACK WITH MORE JONATHAN KARL, EVERYBODY. 388 00:24:27,999 --> 00:24:31,937 >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY, WE'RE BACK HERE WITH THE AUTHOR 389 00:24:32,003 --> 00:24:33,939 OF THE BOOK "BETRAYAL," JONATHAN KARL. 390 00:24:34,005 --> 00:24:37,742 AFTER WRITING THE BOOK ON JB 6 LAST YEAR, ONCE AGAIN, THE BOOK 391 00:24:37,809 --> 00:24:41,780 IS CALLED "BETRAYAL," AND KNOWING ALL YOU KNOW FROM YOUR 392 00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:46,251 REPORTING, WHAT ABOUT THE COMMITTEE'S FINDINGS, IF ANY IN 393 00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:47,986 THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, HAS SURPRISED YOU? 394 00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:54,626 >> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, THIS MAY SOUND SILLY, BUT IT'S THAT TRUMP 395 00:24:54,693 --> 00:24:56,995 ACTUALLY WANTED TO GO TO THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6. 396 00:24:57,062 --> 00:25:02,234 I MEAN HE SAID IT IN THE SPEECH. >> Stephen: RIGHT, "I'LL BE UP 397 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:03,134 THERE. I'LL BE WITH YOU." 398 00:25:03,201 --> 00:25:05,770 >> YOU DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING HE SAYS. 399 00:25:05,837 --> 00:25:07,839 >> Stephen: ARE YOU SAYING DONALD TRUMP LIES? 400 00:25:07,906 --> 00:25:09,908 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SIR? >> I'M LIKE THERE'S NO WAY HE 401 00:25:09,975 --> 00:25:12,978 WANTS TO GO TO THE CAPITOL. IT'S RAUCOUS UP THERE. 402 00:25:13,044 --> 00:25:14,913 THIS GUY WANTS TO HANG OUT AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHILE ALL HIS 403 00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:21,219 PEOPLE ARE UP THERE. WHEN I HEARD CASSIDY HUTCHINSON 404 00:25:21,286 --> 00:25:25,557 SAID HE WANTED TO GO, AND NOT DID HE REALLY WANT TO GO, HE WAS 405 00:25:25,624 --> 00:25:27,926 PISSED-- CAN I SAY -- >> Stephen: YOU CAN SAY PISSED 406 00:25:27,993 --> 00:25:29,527 OFF. >> THAT THE SECRET SERVICE 407 00:25:29,594 --> 00:25:31,062 WOULDN'T ALLOW HIM TO GO UP THERE. 408 00:25:31,129 --> 00:25:34,933 THAT SHOCKED ME. I THOUGHT HE REALLY JUST WANTED 409 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,802 TO GO WATCH IT ON TV, BUT HE REALLY WANTED TO BE THERE. 410 00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:40,939 AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> Stephen: WHAT DOES THAT 411 00:25:41,006 --> 00:25:43,541 IT'S A BIG DEAL THAT HE WANTED TO GO. 412 00:25:43,608 --> 00:25:46,311 WHAT HAPPENS IF HE GOES? >> IT'S ALMOST LIKE HE WANTS TO 413 00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:50,649 GO THERE TO PRESIDE OVER THE STOP-- YOU KNOW, OVER THE 414 00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:52,684 DISRUPTION OF THE SORTIFICATION OF JOE BIDEN'S WIN. 415 00:25:52,751 --> 00:25:55,253 IT'S LIKE HE THINKS THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK. 416 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,156 BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD YOU BE UP THERE? 417 00:25:58,223 --> 00:26:02,427 WHY ELSE WOULD YOU WANT TO GO UP THERE WITH YOUR PEOPLE. 418 00:26:02,494 --> 00:26:06,598 YOU THINK THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO STOP IT AND BASICALLY EXERCISE 419 00:26:06,665 --> 00:26:08,833 THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A COUP. >> Stephen: ARE THERE ANY 420 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,170 LEADS THAT DIDN'T PAN OUT, PEOPLE YOU COULDN'T TALK TO, OR 421 00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:14,940 LEADS YOU COULDN'T FOLLOW THAT THE HEARINGS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO 422 00:26:15,006 --> 00:26:17,676 GET TO? >> I WANT TO GET PAT CIPOLLONE 423 00:26:17,742 --> 00:26:20,812 ON THE RECORD MORE THAN ANYBODY. >> Stephen: LEAD WHITE HOUSE 424 00:26:20,879 --> 00:26:22,347 COUNSEL. >> HE WAS THE WHITE HOUSE 425 00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:23,715 COUNSEL. HE WAS THERE FOR IT ALL. 426 00:26:23,782 --> 00:26:26,785 HE'S ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE WHO WAS REALLY WITH TRUMP THROUGHOUT 427 00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:29,654 IT ALL ON JANUARY 6. AND I KNEW, PEOPLE CLOSE TO 428 00:26:29,721 --> 00:26:31,723 HIM-- I KNEW A LOT ABOUT WHAT HE WAS DOING. 429 00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:34,092 I KNEW HE THOUGHT ABOUT RESIGNING AND THOUGHT IF HE 430 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:35,894 RESIGNED IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. 431 00:26:35,961 --> 00:26:38,496 I KNEW THAT HE WAS ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THIS CRAZY NOTION 432 00:26:38,563 --> 00:26:40,065 THAT MIKE PENCE COULD OVERTURN THE ELECTION. 433 00:26:40,131 --> 00:26:43,435 I KNEW ALL THAT. BUT I WANTED-- YOU KNOW, I 434 00:26:43,501 --> 00:26:47,939 REACHED OUT, I SPENT MONTHS. I COULD NOT GET AN ON-THE-RECORD 435 00:26:48,006 --> 00:26:50,742 CONVERSATION WITH HIM. >> Stephen: YOU'VE HAD 436 00:26:50,809 --> 00:26:52,043 OFF-THE-RECORD CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM? 437 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:53,712 >> I MEAN, I CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT. 438 00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:57,882 >> Stephen: YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY WHETHER YOU HAD-- HOW ABOUT 439 00:26:57,949 --> 00:27:01,019 TELLING ME-- YOU JUST TOLD ME. YOU JUST TOLD ME. 440 00:27:01,086 --> 00:27:04,723 THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T SAY. A-HA! 441 00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:06,358 A-HA! >> I AM VERY PERSISTENT. 442 00:27:06,424 --> 00:27:09,294 SO YOU CAN-- YOU CAN ASSUME. BUT -- 443 00:27:09,361 --> 00:27:12,163 >> Stephen: OVER A YEAR AGO, YOU HAD-- YOU HAD A SIT-DOWN 444 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:15,433 WITH THE FORMER PRESIDENT DOWN IN MAR-A-LAGO, RIGHT? 445 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:18,670 >> YEAH. >> Stephen: HOW THAT YOU 446 00:27:18,737 --> 00:27:21,639 WATCHED THESE HEARINGS WHAT OF THAT CONVERSATION COMES BACK TO 447 00:27:21,706 --> 00:27:24,509 YOU WITH SPECIAL FORCE? >> IT IS THE MOST HAUNTING THING 448 00:27:24,576 --> 00:27:29,014 I'VE EVER HEARD A PRESIDENT, FORMER PRESIDENT SAY THAT I'VE 449 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,950 EVER HEARD DONALD TRUMP SAY. AND THAT'S WHEN I ASKED HIM IF 450 00:27:32,017 --> 00:27:36,187 HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT MIKE PENCE. AND HE SAID, "NO, I KNEW HE WAS 451 00:27:36,254 --> 00:27:39,190 FINE." I SAID, "BUT THEY WERE CHANTING 452 00:27:39,257 --> 00:27:42,227 'HANG MIKE PENCE '." AND HIS ANSWER-- THIS IS THE 453 00:27:42,293 --> 00:27:45,663 PART THAT HAUNTS ME. HE SAID, "THEY WERE ANGRY. 454 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:49,067 IT'S COMMON SENSE, JOHN. YOU CAN'T PASS ON A FRAUDULENT 455 00:27:49,134 --> 00:27:51,069 VOTE." HE WAS DEFENDING, EXPLAINING 456 00:27:51,136 --> 00:27:59,511 FIRST, AND THEN DEFENDING THE CHCHCHANTS OF PEOPLE THAT WANTEO 457 00:27:59,577 --> 00:28:01,513 MURDER HIS VICE PRESIDENT. JUST LET THAT SINK IN. 458 00:28:01,579 --> 00:28:04,616 THERE ARE A LOT OF CRAZY STUFF THAT ARE SAID-- SAID -- 459 00:28:04,682 --> 00:28:07,318 >> Stephen: I TRY NOT TO LET THAT SINK IN, ACTUALLY. 460 00:28:07,385 --> 00:28:11,756 AFTER A YEAR I SCOTCH GUARDED MYSELF SO A LOT OF WHAT HE SAYS 461 00:28:11,823 --> 00:28:14,259 ROLLED OFF A DUCK'S BACK. YOU'RE STILL REPORTING ON THE 462 00:28:14,325 --> 00:28:15,460 INSURRECTION. >> YEAH. 463 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:18,430 >> Stephen: AND YOU WERE IN ARIZONA YESTERDAY TALKING WITH 464 00:28:18,496 --> 00:28:24,302 ELECTION OFFICIAL RUSTY BOWERS WHO HAD SUCH COMPELLING 465 00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:28,973 TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF THE JANUARY 6 HEARINGS, CLEARLY A 466 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,444 MAN OF FAITH. WHAT DID HE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT 467 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:34,446 WHERE THINGS STAND NOW IN ARIZONA, FOR INSTANCE? 468 00:28:34,512 --> 00:28:40,251 >> HE'S UP FOR REELECTION. YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT A RACE ON 469 00:28:40,318 --> 00:28:42,187 TUESDAY. TRUMP HAS GONE OUT TO ARIZONA TO 470 00:28:42,253 --> 00:28:45,657 CAMPAIGN AGAINST HIM, SAYING HE DISGRACED HIMSELF, HE DISGRACED 471 00:28:45,723 --> 00:28:47,826 THE STATE OF ARIZONA WHAT HE SAID. 472 00:28:47,892 --> 00:28:51,463 I FOUND RUSTY BOWERS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS, GOOD, KIND 473 00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:54,132 OF MORALLY CENTERED PEOPLE I'VE EVER INTERVIEWED. 474 00:28:54,199 --> 00:28:56,801 IT WAS A FASCINATING CONVERSATION. 475 00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:59,571 HE DESCRIBED GOING BACK TO ARIZONA AFTER HIS TESTIMONY AND 476 00:28:59,637 --> 00:29:02,407 SOME OF THE BLOWBACK HE GOT. AND HE WAS-- HE HAD SOMEBODY 477 00:29:02,474 --> 00:29:06,211 COME UP TO HIM AND SAY, "YOU'RE A TRAITOR!" 478 00:29:06,277 --> 00:29:09,013 AND THE PUNISHMENT FOR TREASON IS HANGING. 479 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,916 I MEAN, THIS IS THE STUFF HE'S STILL DEALING WITH. 480 00:29:11,983 --> 00:29:15,787 AND HE'S GOING TO LOSE-- HE THINKS IT WOULD TAKE A MIRACLE 481 00:29:15,854 --> 00:29:17,789 FOR HIM TO WIN. HE WANTS TO WIN. 482 00:29:17,856 --> 00:29:21,192 HE'S CAMPAIGNING HARD. >> Stephen: AGAIN, SOMEBODY 483 00:29:21,259 --> 00:29:22,827 WHO WANTED THE FORMER PRESIDENT TO WIN. 484 00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:26,297 >> YES, HE WAS A TOTAL TRUMP SUPPORTER, AND TRUMP ASKED HIM 485 00:29:26,364 --> 00:29:30,935 TO USE HIS POWER AS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF 486 00:29:31,002 --> 00:29:34,305 THE HOUSE IN ARIZONA TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS IN ARIZONA, HE 487 00:29:34,372 --> 00:29:36,808 ABSOLUTELY REFUSED. TRUMP TALKED TO HIM TWICE. 488 00:29:36,875 --> 00:29:39,777 GIULIANI TURNED THE SCREWS ON HIM AND THEY PRESSURED HIM IN 489 00:29:39,844 --> 00:29:41,746 EVERY POSSIBLE WAY AND HE STOOD FIRM. 490 00:29:41,813 --> 00:29:45,817 AND HE REALLY FACED UNBELIEVABLE PRESSURE, PERSONAL-- I MEAN, HIS 491 00:29:45,884 --> 00:29:48,653 DAUGHTER WAS DYING, AND THEY WERE GOING OUTSIDE HIS HOUSE 492 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,689 WITH LOUDSPEAKERS, YOU KNOW, SCREAMING AT HIM. 493 00:29:51,756 --> 00:29:54,292 I MEAN -- >> Stephen: AND WHEN ASKED IF 494 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:58,029 THE FORMER PRESIDENT RECEIVED THE NOMINATION AGAIN IN 2024, 495 00:29:58,096 --> 00:30:00,765 WOULD HE VOTE HEAR HIM, HE SAID YES. 496 00:30:00,832 --> 00:30:03,234 >> HE DID SAY THAT. HE WAS ASKED THAT QUESTION. 497 00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:05,870 WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT IS NOT HIS POSITION. 498 00:30:05,937 --> 00:30:09,174 AND YOU CAN WATCH HIM. IT'S ON SUNDAY ON -- 499 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,210 >> Stephen: WHAT, "YES "WAS AN AMBIGUOUS ANSWER? 500 00:30:12,277 --> 00:30:14,846 I DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> HE SAID HE WAS-- I DON'T 501 00:30:14,913 --> 00:30:17,749 REALLY KNOW WHY HE SAID IT THE FIRST TIME. 502 00:30:17,815 --> 00:30:18,950 HE WASN'T EXPECTING THE QUESTION. 503 00:30:19,017 --> 00:30:22,153 IF IT'S BIDEN OR TRUMP, AND HE KIND OF LEANED BACK ON HIS 504 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:25,290 REPUBLICAN-- THIS GUY IS A LIFELONG REPUBLICAN, BUT HE 505 00:30:25,356 --> 00:30:27,825 SAID-- HE EXPLAINED TO ME THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY. 506 00:30:27,892 --> 00:30:30,028 >> Stephen: SO WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS. 507 00:30:30,094 --> 00:30:32,597 >> THERE'S NO WAY HE VOTES FOR DONALD TRUMP AGAIN. 508 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:36,267 I ASKED HIM HIS ADVICE FOR PEOPLE LIKE KEVIN McCARTHY AND 509 00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:39,771 OTHERS WHO REMAIN SUPPORTIVE, AND IT'S LIKE, "TELL THE TRUTH. 510 00:30:39,837 --> 00:30:43,174 TELL THE TRUTH." AND FOR RUSTY BOWERS, THE TRUTH 511 00:30:43,241 --> 00:30:45,076 IS THAT DONALD TRUMP TRIED TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE 512 00:30:45,143 --> 00:30:49,280 UNITED STATES. AND HIS FAITH IS TO THE 513 00:30:49,347 --> 00:30:51,716 CONSTITUTION. HIS LOYALTY IS TO THE 514 00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:54,819 CONSTITUTION, NOT TO A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT. 515 00:30:54,886 --> 00:30:57,522 VERY POWERFUL INTERVIEW, ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING 516 00:30:57,589 --> 00:31:00,024 CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD IN A LONG TIME. 517 00:31:00,091 --> 00:31:01,526 >> Stephen: JONATHAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. 518 00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:06,264 >> THANK YOU. ( APPLAUSE ) 519 00:31:06,331 --> 00:31:08,366 IS AVAILABLE NOW. JONATHAN KARL, EVERYBODY! 520 00:31:08,433 --> 00:31:09,434 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH B.J. NOVAK. 521 00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:44,702 THE NEW FILM "VENGEANCE." >> SO, AS, LIKE, A PERSONAL 522 00:31:44,769 --> 00:31:47,939 BOUNDARY, LIKE, EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT. 523 00:31:48,006 --> 00:31:49,874 SOME PEOPLE DON'T EAT CERTAIN FOODS. 524 00:31:49,941 --> 00:31:56,981 YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY-- I DON'T AVENGE DEATHS. 525 00:31:57,048 --> 00:32:02,987 IT'S JUST WHO I AM. I-- YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIVE IN A 526 00:32:03,054 --> 00:32:10,228 LIAM NEESON MOVIE. >> WHICH ONE AM I THINKING 527 00:32:10,295 --> 00:32:11,029 ABOUT? WAS IT "TRAIN? 528 00:32:11,095 --> 00:32:12,363 IT WAS JUST ON TV. >> I DON'T KNOW. 529 00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:17,802 >> "SCHINDLER'S LIST." YOU LOOKED LIKE A LOT OF GUYS IN 530 00:32:17,869 --> 00:32:18,836 THOSE MOVIES. >> THANKS. 531 00:32:18,903 --> 00:32:22,940 >> THAT WAS MY LEAST-FAVORITE LIAM NEESON MOVIE. 532 00:32:23,007 --> 00:32:23,875 HUGE DOWNER. >> Stephen: PLEASE WELCOME BACK 533 00:32:23,941 --> 00:32:28,646 TO "THE LATE SHOW," B.J. NOVAK! 534 00:32:28,713 --> 00:32:40,625 ♪ ♪ ♪ ( APPLAUSE ) 535 00:32:40,692 --> 00:32:42,994 HELLO. >> Stephen: HI. 536 00:32:43,061 --> 00:32:44,829 >> GREAT TO BE HERE. >> Stephen: HI, B.J. NOVAK. 537 00:32:44,896 --> 00:32:50,968 >> GREAT TO BE HERE. >> Stephen: SO NICE TO SEE YOU 538 00:32:51,035 --> 00:32:52,904 AGAIN. I JUST DISCOVERED IT'S SIX YEARS 539 00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:54,739 SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE. >> IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. 540 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:57,008 >> Stephen: IT SURE HAS. HOW YOU BEEN? 541 00:32:57,075 --> 00:32:59,744 >> ARE WE GOING TO GET TO ANYTHING? 542 00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:03,881 IS THIS JUST SMALL TALK. >> Stephen: WE'RE PUSHING THE 543 00:33:03,948 --> 00:33:05,917 PRODUCT EVENTUALLY, BUT FIRST THE AUDIENCE-- THEY HAVE TO GET 544 00:33:05,983 --> 00:33:09,087 TO KNOW YOU. HOW ABOUT A KISS? 545 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:11,356 >> AND HOW ARE YOU? ARE YOU GOOD? 546 00:33:11,422 --> 00:33:13,124 >> Stephen: YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. 547 00:33:13,191 --> 00:33:14,826 HOW ARE YOU? >> I'M DOING VERY WELL. 548 00:33:14,892 --> 00:33:16,627 >> Stephen: YEAH, ME, TOO. >> YEAH. 549 00:33:16,694 --> 00:33:18,963 >> Stephen: WE'RE EVEN. ( LAUGHTER ) 550 00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:25,136 >> I'LL TELL YOU, THOUGH-- I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THIS REMIND ME OF. 551 00:33:25,203 --> 00:33:27,772 I WAS ON THE SET OF "VENGEANCE," WHICH -- 552 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,774 >> Stephen: YOUR FILM. >> MY FILM. 553 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:31,376 >> Stephen: THAT OPENS TOMORROW. 554 00:33:31,442 --> 00:33:35,847 IT OPENS TOMORROW, "VENGEANCE." >> THIS IS SHONTLY A STORY THAT 555 00:33:35,913 --> 00:33:37,148 THIS REMINDS ME OF. >> Stephen: OKAY. 556 00:33:37,215 --> 00:33:39,917 >> I SHOW WE'RE FILMING DURING THE PANDEMIC. 557 00:33:39,984 --> 00:33:43,187 IT'S MY FIRST TIME DIRECTING. IT'S A STRESSFUL, EXCITING 558 00:33:43,254 --> 00:33:45,523 EXPERIENCE. AND I GET TO THE SET AND THIS 559 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:50,828 WOMAN COMES UP TO ME AND SHE SAYS, "B.J., HOW ARE YOU 560 00:33:50,895 --> 00:33:53,131 FEELING?" I SAD, MY GOD, I FEEL EXCITED. 561 00:33:53,197 --> 00:33:56,134 I FEEL OVERWHELMED. I FEEL A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT 562 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,804 NOW." AND SHE SAID, OKAY, NO SHORTNESS 563 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:05,443 OF BREATH, FEVER, COUGH?" THIS IS THE COVID TESTER THAT 564 00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:06,978 I'M, LIKE -- >> Stephen: YOU THOUGHT 565 00:34:07,044 --> 00:34:09,847 SOMEONE CARED ABOUT HOW YOU FELT WHEN YOU WERE DIRECTING FOR THE 566 00:34:09,914 --> 00:34:11,549 FIRST TIME? >> YEAH, DIRECTING-- 567 00:34:11,616 --> 00:34:16,888 ( APPLAUSE ) ELSE. 568 00:34:16,954 --> 00:34:20,158 SO THAT WAS THE CLOSEST CONNECTION I HAD FELT. 569 00:34:20,224 --> 00:34:23,461 >> Stephen: THE FILM ALSO STARS ARCHTON KUTCHER, THE 570 00:34:23,528 --> 00:34:27,498 PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO REMEMBERED "PUNKED "MIGHT REMEMBER YOU-- 571 00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:30,902 WAS THAT YOUR FIRST TV JOB. >> FIRST JOB ON CAMERA. 572 00:34:30,968 --> 00:34:33,271 >> Stephen: WAS IN "PUNKED." >> YEAH. 573 00:34:33,337 --> 00:34:35,473 >> Stephen: AND HAD YOU WORKED TOGETHER SINCE THEN? 574 00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:38,443 WAS THIS-- WAS THIS-- >> NO, NO, I HADN'T SEEN HIM IN 575 00:34:38,509 --> 00:34:41,446 A LONG TIOE. HE CHANGED MY LIFE WITH THAT 576 00:34:41,512 --> 00:34:43,514 SHOW. I WAS DOING OPEN MICS AT THE 577 00:34:43,581 --> 00:34:49,420 TIME, AND I WAS A DO,Y, KHAKIS-WEARING KID AND HE WAS 578 00:34:49,487 --> 00:34:54,826 THE COOLEST KID IN THE WORLD. HE WORE A TRUCKER HAT. 579 00:34:54,892 --> 00:34:57,862 AND EVERYBODY WORE A TRUCKER HAT. 580 00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:01,232 HE WAS A TRENDSETTER, AND I WASN'T REALLY AT THAT MOMENT 581 00:35:01,299 --> 00:35:04,235 GETTING ANYWHERE OR FEELING LOOK A COOL KID OR ANYTHING. 582 00:35:04,302 --> 00:35:08,206 AND OUT OF THE BLUE I WOULD GET A CALL FROM A BURNER PHONE AND 583 00:35:08,272 --> 00:35:13,578 IT'S ASHTON KUTCHER, AND HE WOULD SAY, "I NEED YOU TO BE AT 584 00:35:13,644 --> 00:35:17,915 THE VAN NUYS 2K-678D M.V. TOMORROW, AND KNOW EVERYTHING 585 00:35:17,982 --> 00:35:21,786 ABOUT THE DRIVING CODE. >> YSIR. 586 00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:24,388 I WAS STUDYING UP. >> Stephen: DID PEOPLE GET MAD 587 00:35:24,455 --> 00:35:27,992 AT YOU WHEN THEY GOT PUNKED. >> TERMY MAD. 588 00:35:28,059 --> 00:35:30,962 >> Stephen: THEY COULDN'T GET MAD AT HIM. 589 00:35:31,028 --> 00:35:34,599 HE'S ASHTON KUTCHER. >> I'M MEETING THEM FOR THE 590 00:35:34,665 --> 00:35:37,935 FIRST TYKE, IF MISSY ELLIOTT, I'M MEETING USHER. 591 00:35:38,002 --> 00:35:40,404 IT'S THE WORST DAY OF THEIR LIFE. 592 00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:44,842 I GOT TO MEET USHER, BUT MY JOB WAS I WAS A STORE OWNER ON 593 00:35:44,909 --> 00:35:48,646 MELROSE, AND HIS LITTLE BROTHER HAD BEEN BUSTED FOR 594 00:35:48,713 --> 00:35:50,047 SHOPLIFTING-- HE WAS IN ON IT WITH US. 595 00:35:50,114 --> 00:35:54,452 AND THE ONLY WAY I WOULD LET HIS BROTHER GO IS IF HE RECORDED A 596 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:57,555 RAP SINGLE FOR MY STORE, WHICH I RAPID FOR HIM. 597 00:35:57,622 --> 00:36:01,158 AND HE WAS LIKE, "FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT A RAPPER. 598 00:36:01,225 --> 00:36:04,595 SECOND OF ALL, WHY DOES IT REFER TO ICE?" 599 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:09,166 AND I WAS LIKE, "WE WANTED VANILLA ICE." 600 00:36:09,233 --> 00:36:11,936 AND IT WAS SO FUNNY. SO THEN HE'S FURIOUS. 601 00:36:12,003 --> 00:36:15,406 AND ASHTON COMES OUT, AND HE'S LIKE, "BRO!" 602 00:36:15,473 --> 00:36:19,744 LIKE IT'S A HUGE HUG. AND I'M LIKE... AND HE'S LIKE, 603 00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:22,547 NO, NO, NO. LIKE, YOUR FIRST IMPRESSION OF 604 00:36:22,613 --> 00:36:25,383 SOMEONE STICKS, YOU KNOW. SO I HAVE NOT RUN INTO USHER 605 00:36:25,449 --> 00:36:27,218 SINCE. I DON'T THINK HE'LL-- I DON'T 606 00:36:27,285 --> 00:36:29,921 THINK HE'LL BE IN MY NEXT MOVIE. >> Stephen: NOW YOU'RE A 607 00:36:29,987 --> 00:36:31,722 BIG-TIME DIRECTOR. TELL US ABOUT "VENGEANCE." 608 00:36:31,789 --> 00:36:35,860 WHAT'S THE STORY? >> "VENGEANCE," I PLAY A 609 00:36:35,927 --> 00:36:44,335 SOMEWHAT SHALLOW NEW YORKER WHO IS DRAWN INTO A-- THROUGH AN 610 00:36:44,402 --> 00:36:49,607 AWKWARD SITUATION HE ENDS UP AT THE FUNERAL OF A GIRL HE DIDN'T 611 00:36:49,674 --> 00:36:51,842 KNOW AS WELL AS HIS FAMILY THOUGHT. 612 00:36:51,909 --> 00:36:53,544 A MORE CASUAL PERSON IN HIS MIND. 613 00:36:53,611 --> 00:36:57,348 AS YOU SAW IN THE CLINGER THE FAMILY THINKS NOT ONLY WEE THEY 614 00:36:57,415 --> 00:36:59,984 SERIOUS, BUT IT'S UP TO HIM TO AVENGE THE DEATH. 615 00:37:00,051 --> 00:37:05,923 AND HE IN HIS SHALLOW, AMBITIOUS MIND THINKS, "WELL, THIS SOUND 616 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:10,962 LIKE A PRETTY GOOD PODCAST," AND GET ROPED IN MUCH DEEPER. 617 00:37:11,028 --> 00:37:13,965 >> Stephen: A TRUE-CRIME PODCAST AND HE'S IN IT. 618 00:37:14,031 --> 00:37:19,470 >> IT HAS THAT MURDER-MYSTERY THRILLER EDGE BUT IT'S THE 619 00:37:19,537 --> 00:37:20,905 COMEDY D.N.A. >> Stephen: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT 620 00:37:20,972 --> 00:37:22,540 I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT. >> OKAY. 621 00:37:22,607 --> 00:37:25,309 >> Stephen: IS THAT WE DID A THING ON THE SHOW A LITTLE WHILE 622 00:37:25,376 --> 00:37:29,313 BACK, BASED ON A TRUE STORY. IT TURNS OUT YOUR FACE GOT 623 00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:32,950 UPLOADED TO SOME-- >> SOME PUBLIC IMAGE -- 624 00:37:33,017 --> 00:37:35,653 >> Stephen: SOME PUBLIC IMAGE SITE. 625 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,457 THIS IS A TRUE STORY AND THIS JUST GIVES ME SO MUCH JOY. 626 00:37:39,523 --> 00:37:42,960 >> I'M GLAD YOU'RE AMUSED. >> Stephen: MY FACE WAS USED 627 00:37:43,027 --> 00:37:45,796 TO SELL SUITS IN IRAN AT ONE POINT. 628 00:37:45,863 --> 00:37:47,865 >> GREAT. >> Stephen: THIS IS YOUR FACE, 629 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:52,403 BEING USED AROUND THE WORLD. THIS IS YOUR FACE BEING USED TO 630 00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:55,840 SELL ELECTRIC RAZORS IN CHINA. HERE IS ONE, I LOVE, YOUR FACE-- 631 00:37:55,906 --> 00:37:59,543 FACE PAINT IN URUGUAY. FOR SOME REASON THEY USE-- YOU 632 00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:02,613 LOOK YOUR GUIN TO THESE PEOPLE. >> I GUESS, YEAH. 633 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,816 >> Stephen: THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVES. 634 00:38:05,883 --> 00:38:11,022 THIS IS B.J. NOVAK SELLING A KNEE-LENGTH PONCHO IN EUROPE. 635 00:38:11,088 --> 00:38:13,958 HOW DOES IT FEEL? ( APPLAUSE ) 636 00:38:14,025 --> 00:38:16,861 >> Stephen: HOW DOES IT FEEL WHEN YOU SEE THIS? 637 00:38:16,927 --> 00:38:18,129 >> SURPRISING. >> Stephen: YES. 638 00:38:18,195 --> 00:38:21,632 >> IT FEELS SURPRISING. >> Stephen: HAVE YOU DONE A 639 00:38:21,699 --> 00:38:24,402 CEASE AND DESIST OR ANYTHING? >> NO, BECAUSE I'M CLEARLY JUST 640 00:38:24,468 --> 00:38:29,273 A FACE TO THEM. THEY DON'T CARE WHO I AM USING. 641 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:32,009 FIDID CEASE DESIST, THEY WOULD USE YOU. 642 00:38:32,076 --> 00:38:34,545 THEY WOULD USE ANYBODY. I KIND OF LIKE IT. 643 00:38:34,612 --> 00:38:37,682 >> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE THESE. >> I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THESE. 644 00:38:37,748 --> 00:38:42,920 BUT I BROUGHT YOU SOMETHING. I SENT-- SOMEONE IN A SWEDISH 645 00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:47,191 MALL SENT ME A MESSAGE ON TWITTER AND SHOWED ME A RACK OF 646 00:38:47,258 --> 00:38:49,694 DISCOUNT COLOGNES WITH MY FACE ON IT L.O.L. 647 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,595 AND I SAID, "ACTUALLY, THIS IS ME. 648 00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:55,399 COULD YOU BUY SOME FOR ME. I'LL GET YOU A CHECK." 649 00:38:55,466 --> 00:38:58,769 AND SHE DID. AND I BROUGHT YOU SOME COLOGNE. 650 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:01,639 >> Stephen: THIS IS AN ACTUAL PRODUCT PURCHASED IN SWEDEN. 651 00:39:01,706 --> 00:39:05,509 >> YES, SIR. >> Stephen: IT'S CALLED 652 00:39:05,576 --> 00:39:06,510 "ENCOUNTER." ( LAUGHTER ) 653 00:39:06,577 --> 00:39:12,383 >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY IT. >> Stephen: MAY WE. 654 00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:14,785 >> YES, PLEASE. >> Stephen: LET'S DO IT. 655 00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:18,389 LET'S DO IT. PLEASE, IT'S YOUR SMELL. 656 00:39:18,456 --> 00:39:22,760 >> OH, THAT-- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THAT. 657 00:39:22,827 --> 00:39:27,832 >> Stephen: JUST RIGHT THERE. GO AHEAD. 658 00:39:27,898 --> 00:39:29,967 MMM. >> THIS IS WORST-SMELLING THING 659 00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:31,135 I'VE EVER-- ( LAUGHTER ). 660 00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:38,476 TALCOLM POWDER ON A BRAND-NEW SOCCER BALL. 661 00:39:38,542 --> 00:39:40,644 >> IT'S TERRIBLE. >> Stephen: I KNOW WHAT I'M 662 00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:43,614 GIVING THE STAFF FOR CHRISTMAS. >> YEAH. 663 00:39:43,681 --> 00:39:46,784 >> Stephen: THAT IS FANTASTIC. B.J. NOVAK, WHAT A DELIGHT TO 664 00:39:46,851 --> 00:39:49,053 HAVE YOU AND TO SMELL YOU. >> LIKEWISE. 665 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,355 I LOVE BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK. 666 00:39:51,422 --> 00:39:53,257 AND IT'S GREAT TO MEET YOUR TRULY-- 667 00:39:53,324 --> 00:39:55,893 >> VERY NICE TO MEET YOU. >> Stephen: "VENGEANCE" IS IN 668 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,628 THEATERS TOMORROW. B.J. NOVAK, EVERYBODY. 669 00:39:57,695 --> 00:39:58,696 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) 670 00:40:20,017 --> 00:40:21,919 >> Stephen: THAT'S IT FOR "THE LATE SHOW." 671 00:40:21,986 --> 00:40:23,988 SPECIAL THANKS TO ST. VINCENT. GOOD NIGHT.