1 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:40,874 (PHONE RINGING) 2 00:00:41,083 --> 00:00:43,627 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 3 00:00:44,086 --> 00:00:45,795 (VOICES MUMBLING INDISTINCTLY) 4 00:01:02,438 --> 00:01:04,689 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 5 00:01:06,734 --> 00:01:09,110 (PHONE RINGING) 6 00:01:14,116 --> 00:01:16,117 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 7 00:01:25,086 --> 00:01:26,253 So? 8 00:01:26,671 --> 00:01:27,837 This is the only alligator. 9 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:34,469 Four minutes past. We walk in one minute. He was clear on that. 10 00:01:35,179 --> 00:01:36,221 He's coming. 11 00:01:44,230 --> 00:01:48,441 No, he's too young to have that kind of access. 12 00:02:02,873 --> 00:02:05,333 Uh, what time does the restaurant open? 13 00:02:05,418 --> 00:02:08,545 Noon. But the food's a little too spicy. 14 00:02:09,964 --> 00:02:11,047 This way. 15 00:02:31,569 --> 00:02:33,111 MAN: Excuse me. Uh-huh. 16 00:02:33,487 --> 00:02:34,487 MAN: Thank you. 17 00:02:34,613 --> 00:02:35,864 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 18 00:02:48,044 --> 00:02:49,210 Right here. 19 00:03:08,105 --> 00:03:11,274 (SIGHS) It's, uh, really great to finally meet you guys. 20 00:03:12,234 --> 00:03:16,071 So, first thing, can I get your cell phones, please? 21 00:03:17,448 --> 00:03:18,615 Thank you. 22 00:03:19,283 --> 00:03:21,868 We want Laura to be the only one recording, right? 23 00:03:21,952 --> 00:03:23,661 As discussed? Thank you. 24 00:03:25,081 --> 00:03:27,707 I actually bought this. It blocks UHF frequencies. 25 00:03:28,751 --> 00:03:30,293 (CAMERA BEEPS) 26 00:03:35,466 --> 00:03:37,133 You've been photographed before, right? 27 00:03:37,635 --> 00:03:40,887 Yeah, it's been a while since anybody took a photo of me, so... (LAUGHS) 28 00:03:40,971 --> 00:03:42,847 LAURA: Try thinking of this as your friend. 29 00:03:42,973 --> 00:03:44,224 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 30 00:03:45,142 --> 00:03:46,393 Take your time. 31 00:03:48,187 --> 00:03:49,312 (INHALES DEEPLY) Um... 32 00:03:51,107 --> 00:03:53,191 Can you start by telling us why you did what you did 33 00:03:53,275 --> 00:03:55,360 and, uh, how you gained access 34 00:03:55,444 --> 00:03:56,986 to such a vast amount of information, 35 00:03:57,154 --> 00:03:58,696 all of which I read on the plane 36 00:03:58,781 --> 00:04:00,698 and... Glenn. 37 00:04:01,325 --> 00:04:04,494 Uh, how about we just start with your name? Okay? 38 00:04:07,873 --> 00:04:09,165 (INHALES DEEPLY) 39 00:04:09,375 --> 00:04:12,836 My name is Edward Joseph Snowden. 40 00:04:15,005 --> 00:04:17,382 I'm 29 years old. 41 00:04:17,466 --> 00:04:21,052 I work as a private contractor for the NSA. 42 00:04:21,137 --> 00:04:23,054 I've also worked as a private contractor 43 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:27,642 for the CIA and directly for the Agency. 44 00:04:27,726 --> 00:04:30,103 I've worked in various jobs in the intelligence industry 45 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:31,896 for the last nine years. 46 00:04:31,981 --> 00:04:37,193 I've been a systems engineer, uh, been a solutions consultant... 47 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:39,154 Uh... (ALL CALLING CADENCE) 48 00:04:39,321 --> 00:04:43,074 SNOWDEN: And a senior advisor for the Central Intelligence Agency. 49 00:04:43,826 --> 00:04:45,326 RECRUIT: Rangers... DRILL SERGEANT: Rangers... 50 00:04:45,411 --> 00:04:47,078 RECRUITS: Rangers... RECRUIT: Rangers... 51 00:04:47,163 --> 00:04:48,455 DRILL SERGEANT: So you wanna be Special Forces? 52 00:04:48,539 --> 00:04:50,039 RECRUITS: Sir, yes, sir! 53 00:04:50,124 --> 00:04:52,625 I think Special Forces would be ashamed 54 00:04:52,710 --> 00:04:54,961 to call you soldiers. Am I right? 55 00:04:55,045 --> 00:04:56,254 RECRUITS: Sir, no, sir! 56 00:04:56,338 --> 00:05:00,508 DRILL SERGEANT: Your left. Your left, right. Your left. 57 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:04,888 DRILL SERGEANT: (SINGING) Went from driving Cadillacs 58 00:05:05,222 --> 00:05:08,266 RECRUITS: Went from driving Cadillacs 59 00:05:08,767 --> 00:05:12,437 DRILL SERGEANT: To driving convoys in Iraq 60 00:05:12,563 --> 00:05:15,190 RECRUITS: To driving convoys in Iraq 61 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:16,691 TRAINER: Move it, soldier! 62 00:05:16,901 --> 00:05:19,611 (RECRUITS GRUNTING, PANTING) 63 00:05:20,404 --> 00:05:22,238 TRAINER: Go! Go! Move now! 64 00:05:23,741 --> 00:05:25,408 TRAINERS: Move! You better get going! 65 00:05:25,534 --> 00:05:27,202 Pick it up, you waste of space! 66 00:05:27,745 --> 00:05:28,953 DRILL SERGEANT: Let's move! 67 00:05:31,207 --> 00:05:32,749 TRAINER: Come on, soldier! Go! 68 00:05:34,126 --> 00:05:35,376 Come on, darling! 69 00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:38,338 (SHOUTING) Snowden? What the hell are you doing? 70 00:05:38,422 --> 00:05:39,464 Nothing, sir! 71 00:05:39,548 --> 00:05:41,382 Where is your fucking heart? Right here, sir! 72 00:05:41,467 --> 00:05:43,968 I want you to reach way down in that pathetic excuse of a chest, 73 00:05:44,053 --> 00:05:45,303 and you rip it out. 74 00:05:45,387 --> 00:05:47,096 You find your heart, and then you get 75 00:05:47,181 --> 00:05:48,973 your broke ass on my tower! You got that? 76 00:05:49,058 --> 00:05:50,016 Sir, yes, sir! 77 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:51,601 DRILL SERGEANT: Now get the fuck out of my face! 78 00:05:53,312 --> 00:05:56,314 I need you on my tower, gentlemen! Let's move! 79 00:05:59,735 --> 00:06:01,611 TRAINER: Move! Move! Let's go! 80 00:06:01,737 --> 00:06:04,697 (BANGING ON DOOR) DRILL SERGEANT: (SHOUTING) Rise and shine, maggots! 81 00:06:04,782 --> 00:06:08,117 Get your hands off your dicks, and get the fuck out of my barracks! 82 00:06:08,202 --> 00:06:09,536 You guys got one minute! 83 00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:11,788 Fall out! Move, move, move! 84 00:06:11,914 --> 00:06:13,373 Get the hell out here! Get the hell out of my barracks! 85 00:06:13,457 --> 00:06:14,624 (LOUD THUD) (GASPS) 86 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,042 DRILL SERGEANT: Move it! Keep moving! 87 00:06:16,126 --> 00:06:18,419 Let's go! All right, gentlemen. 88 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:20,672 (RECRUITS GRUNTING) 89 00:06:21,257 --> 00:06:22,257 DRILL SERGEANT: Harrison? RECRUIT: Here! 90 00:06:22,341 --> 00:06:23,424 DRILL SERGEANT: Carson? RECRUIT: Here! 91 00:06:23,509 --> 00:06:24,551 DRILL SERGEANT: Ramirez? RECRUIT: Here! 92 00:06:24,635 --> 00:06:25,677 (SHOUTS) Fuck! 93 00:06:25,761 --> 00:06:26,761 DRILL SERGEANT: Pierce? RECRUIT: Here! 94 00:06:27,304 --> 00:06:28,513 DRILL SERGEANT: Coulson? Help! 95 00:06:28,597 --> 00:06:29,806 DRILL SERGEANT: Snowden! 96 00:06:30,641 --> 00:06:33,810 Snowden! Where the fuck is Snowden? 97 00:06:33,978 --> 00:06:35,645 Help! (SIGHS) 98 00:06:36,689 --> 00:06:39,607 DOCTOR: You know, you've been walking around on two broken legs... 99 00:06:39,692 --> 00:06:41,818 Best I can tell, for weeks. 100 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,240 Now this is what happens when you put a 80-pound rucksack 101 00:06:47,324 --> 00:06:48,575 on a 150-pound body. 102 00:06:48,659 --> 00:06:50,910 You get these little stress fractures and... (GROANS) 103 00:06:51,328 --> 00:06:52,287 Easy. Sorry. 104 00:06:52,371 --> 00:06:53,580 They build up in your tibias. 105 00:06:53,664 --> 00:06:56,749 You don't get off of 'em, and eventually they just bust. 106 00:06:56,834 --> 00:06:59,335 Now, you're gonna be here for a few weeks, 107 00:06:59,712 --> 00:07:02,922 and then I'd count on another eight weeks or so 108 00:07:03,007 --> 00:07:04,215 on the crutches. 109 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:06,050 SNOWDEN: Okay, and then when do I go back? 110 00:07:06,135 --> 00:07:09,262 Son, you ever again land on those legs of yours, 111 00:07:09,346 --> 00:07:12,765 airborne or not, those bones will turn to powder. 112 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:15,310 I'm gonna authorize an administrative discharge. 113 00:07:15,436 --> 00:07:17,020 (SIGHS) 114 00:07:17,521 --> 00:07:19,856 DOCTOR: Plenty of other ways to serve your country. 115 00:07:28,365 --> 00:07:29,616 (MESSAGE ALERT) 116 00:07:40,919 --> 00:07:42,337 (CHUCKLES) 117 00:07:42,379 --> 00:07:45,757 POLYGRAPH ADMINISTRATOR: Have you ever committed a crime for which you weren't caught? 118 00:07:46,383 --> 00:07:47,425 SNOWDEN: No. 119 00:07:50,554 --> 00:07:52,930 POLYGRAPH ADMINISTRATOR: Have you ever cheated on an exam? 120 00:07:53,641 --> 00:07:54,641 SNOWDEN: No. 121 00:07:56,393 --> 00:07:57,769 Do you believe the United States 122 00:07:57,895 --> 00:07:59,270 is the greatest country in the world? 123 00:07:59,647 --> 00:08:00,855 Yes. 124 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,566 INTERVIEWER: Why do you want to join the CIA? 125 00:08:05,152 --> 00:08:07,403 PSYCHOLOGIST: How would you explain the Internet to a child? 126 00:08:09,323 --> 00:08:12,992 INTERVIEWER: Granddad retired as an admiral and joined the FBI. 127 00:08:13,077 --> 00:08:15,662 Dad's in the Coast Guard, 30-year man. 128 00:08:15,746 --> 00:08:18,581 PSYCHOLOGIST: What has been the most important day in your life? 129 00:08:18,666 --> 00:08:20,208 9/11. 130 00:08:20,292 --> 00:08:22,919 We thought my grandfather was inside the Pentagon. 131 00:08:23,212 --> 00:08:25,880 Uh, turned out he was off-site that day. 132 00:08:26,048 --> 00:08:28,508 INTERVIEWER: You wanted to be Special Forces? 133 00:08:28,592 --> 00:08:32,929 Yes, sir. Yeah, I love their motto. De oppresso liber. 134 00:08:33,013 --> 00:08:37,767 INTERVIEWER: Is that what you hope to do with us? Free people from oppression? 135 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:40,269 I'd like to help my country make a difference in the world. 136 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:44,315 Uh, the Internet is a technology 137 00:08:45,234 --> 00:08:46,734 that has the power 138 00:08:46,819 --> 00:08:50,321 to let everyone in the world understand each other. 139 00:08:50,406 --> 00:08:54,867 Missed a perfect score on the ASVAB test by a single question. 140 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,705 Crushed the language learning test. 141 00:08:58,789 --> 00:09:01,416 Some Mandarin, some Japanese. 142 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:05,837 And no high school diploma. 143 00:09:05,963 --> 00:09:07,880 So why did you stop attending high school? 144 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:12,385 I had to make money. My parents were divorcing at the time. 145 00:09:13,345 --> 00:09:14,929 Any other influences? 146 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:17,807 I'd say Joseph Campbell, 147 00:09:19,643 --> 00:09:23,229 Star Wars, Thoreau, Ayn Rand... 148 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,650 One man can stop the motor of the world. 149 00:09:27,735 --> 00:09:30,153 Atlas Shrugged. Yes, sir. I believe that. 150 00:09:31,405 --> 00:09:33,656 Let's try again. 151 00:09:33,741 --> 00:09:36,159 Why do you want to join the CIA? 152 00:09:38,245 --> 00:09:39,495 Uh... 153 00:09:39,747 --> 00:09:42,540 Well, frankly, sir, 154 00:09:44,418 --> 00:09:47,503 it sounds really cool to have top security clearance. 155 00:09:49,673 --> 00:09:50,840 (CHUCKLES) 156 00:09:55,512 --> 00:09:58,347 (INHALES DEEPLY) It's not enough. 157 00:10:03,604 --> 00:10:04,979 (EXHALES DEEPLY) 158 00:10:05,856 --> 00:10:09,567 Ordinarily. But these are not ordinary times. 159 00:10:11,361 --> 00:10:13,488 Bombs won't stop terrorism, brains will, 160 00:10:13,614 --> 00:10:15,698 and we don't have nearly enough of those. 161 00:10:17,034 --> 00:10:19,118 I'm gonna give you a shot, Snowden. 162 00:10:19,745 --> 00:10:22,580 Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. You won't regret this. 163 00:10:23,248 --> 00:10:25,041 My name's Corbin O'Brian. 164 00:10:25,125 --> 00:10:27,668 I have many titles, among them Senior Instructor. 165 00:10:28,796 --> 00:10:30,880 You'll be joining my class at The Hill. 166 00:10:31,507 --> 00:10:33,007 Stop the vehicle. 167 00:10:33,091 --> 00:10:34,217 Shut off the engine. 168 00:10:36,804 --> 00:10:38,137 I need to see your ID. 169 00:10:39,056 --> 00:10:40,264 (BARKING) 170 00:10:41,725 --> 00:10:45,144 All right. Using your left hand only, pop the trunk. 171 00:10:45,395 --> 00:10:47,396 (LOCK OPENING) 172 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:48,815 SECURITY GUARD: Now place your hands 173 00:10:48,899 --> 00:10:50,775 through the steering wheel on the dashboard. 174 00:10:51,193 --> 00:10:52,568 Through the steering wheel. 175 00:10:53,195 --> 00:10:55,655 On the dashboard. Do not exit the vehicle. 176 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:00,326 SECURITY GUARD 2: Right here. Right here. 177 00:11:13,257 --> 00:11:14,674 Excuse me. 178 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:16,592 You'll be looking for Corbin's class. 179 00:11:16,677 --> 00:11:19,345 End of the hall, keep going through the second set of doors. 180 00:11:19,596 --> 00:11:22,932 Thank you. Is that an Enigma? 181 00:11:23,433 --> 00:11:25,935 No. Enigma was broken. 182 00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:28,813 This is the follow up, the Sigaba. Never broken. 183 00:11:29,606 --> 00:11:32,066 Cold War's greatest encryption machine. 184 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:36,487 Tides of history ticked with this motor and these rotors. 185 00:11:36,613 --> 00:11:39,448 One day everyone's gonna want a machine like this. Wow! 186 00:11:40,117 --> 00:11:43,327 I always wanted to learn cryptography. What's this one? 187 00:11:43,954 --> 00:11:45,746 The Hot Line. 188 00:11:45,831 --> 00:11:48,583 First direct link between Washington and Moscow. 189 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:50,710 Probably prevented World War III. 190 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:55,882 You got a name? How do I know you're not the enemy? 191 00:11:55,966 --> 00:11:57,842 Oh, sorry. Uh, Snowden. Ed Snowden. 192 00:11:57,926 --> 00:12:00,803 Hank Forrester. Where'd you study, Snowden? 193 00:12:00,888 --> 00:12:02,847 Mostly I'm, uh, self-taught. 194 00:12:04,308 --> 00:12:06,851 You can tell me if you're busy, but is that a Cray-1? 195 00:12:07,311 --> 00:12:09,812 Why, yes. Yes, it is. 196 00:12:10,522 --> 00:12:13,399 The first supercomputer. 197 00:12:13,483 --> 00:12:15,151 You can get all of this on a cell phone now. 198 00:12:15,277 --> 00:12:17,945 Yeah. So you're, um, an engineer? 199 00:12:18,363 --> 00:12:21,824 Am I an engineer? Instructor and counselor, too. 200 00:12:21,909 --> 00:12:24,160 I'm supposed to keep an eye on you CTs, 201 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:26,329 make sure you don't buckle under the pressure. 202 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:27,663 Turn to drugs and booze. 203 00:12:28,206 --> 00:12:31,792 Well, you won't have that problem with me. I don't drink or do drugs. 204 00:12:31,877 --> 00:12:33,502 What is your sin of choice? 205 00:12:33,587 --> 00:12:35,504 Uh, computers. 206 00:12:37,132 --> 00:12:40,760 Well, then, Snowden, you've come to the right little whorehouse. 207 00:12:43,513 --> 00:12:46,515 O'BRIAN: The front lines in the global war on terror 208 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,517 are not in Iraq or Afghanistan. 209 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:52,980 They're here. In London, 210 00:12:54,232 --> 00:12:55,483 Berlin, (WOMAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 211 00:12:56,568 --> 00:12:57,777 Istanbul... 212 00:12:58,445 --> 00:13:00,696 Any server, any connection... 213 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:04,700 The modern battlefield 214 00:13:05,327 --> 00:13:06,619 is everywhere. 215 00:13:08,497 --> 00:13:09,997 Which means 216 00:13:10,582 --> 00:13:14,794 you don't have to sit in the ditch eating MREs or dodging mortar fire, 217 00:13:14,878 --> 00:13:20,675 it means that if there is another 9/11, it'll be your fault. 218 00:13:22,844 --> 00:13:25,388 Just as the last one was my generation's. 219 00:13:27,933 --> 00:13:30,726 Believe me, you do not want to live with that burden. 220 00:13:35,941 --> 00:13:38,234 We're gonna start with an aptitude test. 221 00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:39,610 (KEYBOARDS CLACKING) 222 00:13:39,695 --> 00:13:42,822 O'BRIAN: Each ofyou is gonna build a covert communications network 223 00:13:42,906 --> 00:13:44,407 in your home city, 224 00:13:45,951 --> 00:13:50,162 you're gonna deploy it, back up your site, destroy it, 225 00:13:50,247 --> 00:13:51,914 and restore it again. 226 00:13:53,083 --> 00:13:54,792 The point of this exercise is to keep 227 00:13:54,876 --> 00:13:57,461 your infrastructure up and running securely. 228 00:13:58,046 --> 00:14:00,756 The average test time is five hours. 229 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:04,135 If you take more than eight, you will fail. 230 00:14:29,786 --> 00:14:31,203 SNOWDEN: Mr. O'Brian? 231 00:14:32,622 --> 00:14:33,956 I'm done, sir. 232 00:14:34,291 --> 00:14:36,834 You don't have to tell me when you've completed a stage. 233 00:14:37,002 --> 00:14:38,794 No, I finished the whole thing. 234 00:14:39,588 --> 00:14:41,172 It's been 40 minutes. 235 00:14:41,256 --> 00:14:42,506 Thirty-eight. 236 00:14:42,591 --> 00:14:43,799 What? 237 00:14:44,468 --> 00:14:45,801 Thirty-eight minutes. 238 00:14:48,513 --> 00:14:50,723 Okay. Let's see where you screwed up. 239 00:14:53,477 --> 00:14:54,852 (KEYBOARDS CLACKING) 240 00:14:59,191 --> 00:15:01,275 (SYSTEM BEEPING) 241 00:15:01,777 --> 00:15:03,736 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 242 00:15:04,154 --> 00:15:06,363 (COMPUTING) (SYSTEM BEEPING) 243 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,747 You didn't say we had to do it in order, sir. 244 00:15:14,831 --> 00:15:17,917 So I, uh, broke the sequence to save time, 245 00:15:18,001 --> 00:15:22,088 and I automated the backup process to run as I built the site. 246 00:15:23,757 --> 00:15:25,049 Eyes on screens. 247 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:33,516 Sir? 248 00:15:35,811 --> 00:15:37,478 What should I do now? 249 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:38,938 Whatever you want. 250 00:15:55,205 --> 00:15:57,164 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) (MAN LAUGHING) 251 00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:08,050 (CAMERA CLICKS) 252 00:16:16,935 --> 00:16:18,936 Hey. Hi. 253 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:22,189 Finally. (LAUGHS) Yeah. 254 00:16:25,235 --> 00:16:27,486 Um, sorry. 255 00:16:32,242 --> 00:16:35,244 Do you, um, want anything? 256 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:38,038 No. Let's go for a walk. 257 00:16:38,123 --> 00:16:39,790 You could use some sun. (LAUGHS) 258 00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:44,086 (LAUGHS) Yeah. You mentioned that earlier. 259 00:16:45,088 --> 00:16:47,464 Sorry it took me this long. I just... 260 00:16:47,883 --> 00:16:51,760 You didn't want to see me on crutches. I was not so agile. 261 00:16:52,053 --> 00:16:53,721 And then this new job hit. So... 262 00:16:53,805 --> 00:16:56,223 Oh, yeah, what was it you were doing again? 263 00:16:56,308 --> 00:16:58,225 I'm doing analysis for the State Department. 264 00:16:58,310 --> 00:17:00,352 Right. Congratulations. Thanks. 265 00:17:00,437 --> 00:17:01,896 You're welcome. 266 00:17:01,980 --> 00:17:03,689 Hey, can you do me a favor 267 00:17:03,773 --> 00:17:05,983 and, um, point in the direction of the State Department? 268 00:17:06,776 --> 00:17:07,943 Uh... 269 00:17:11,156 --> 00:17:12,615 Yeah, it's that way. (CAMERA CLICKS) 270 00:17:13,158 --> 00:17:15,409 Where? Are you sure? (CAMERA CLICKS) 271 00:17:16,536 --> 00:17:19,288 I mean, I'm not that great at orienting myself... 272 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:21,582 Not that great at Iying, either. 273 00:17:21,666 --> 00:17:24,293 You're gonna have to work on both if you wanna be a spy. 274 00:17:26,004 --> 00:17:27,463 Where I came from, everyone's parents 275 00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:29,632 worked for the "State Department. " 276 00:17:29,883 --> 00:17:32,676 Plus, every time you visited my website this week, 277 00:17:32,761 --> 00:17:36,513 which was quite often, it was from an IP in Virginia. 278 00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:38,766 You know how to run an IP trace? Yeah. 279 00:17:39,351 --> 00:17:43,062 I'm pretty sure that the State Department has no offices in Virginia. 280 00:17:45,523 --> 00:17:46,941 (CHUCKLES) Huh? 281 00:17:47,317 --> 00:17:48,484 (CAMERA CLICKS) 282 00:17:52,447 --> 00:17:53,864 All right, let's see you strut it. 283 00:17:54,324 --> 00:17:55,532 Let's see what? 284 00:17:55,617 --> 00:17:57,159 Let's see you strut it. Show me what you got, you know. 285 00:17:57,244 --> 00:17:58,911 Your best catwalk. 286 00:18:00,163 --> 00:18:02,456 Don't be shy. 287 00:18:02,582 --> 00:18:04,792 Come on. You got this. Uh... All right. 288 00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:06,126 (CAMERA CLICKING) 289 00:18:06,253 --> 00:18:07,711 (BOTH LAUGHING) 290 00:18:08,505 --> 00:18:09,630 I don't know. (LAUGHS) 291 00:18:15,637 --> 00:18:17,179 PROTESTORS: (CHANTING) Drop Bush, not bombs! 292 00:18:17,264 --> 00:18:19,014 Drop Bush, not bombs! 293 00:18:19,099 --> 00:18:21,016 Drop Bush, not bombs! 294 00:18:21,184 --> 00:18:23,352 Excuse me. Would you mind signing our petition, please? 295 00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:24,770 Yes, absolutely. 296 00:18:27,023 --> 00:18:28,774 Thank you. Thank you so much. Sir? 297 00:18:28,858 --> 00:18:29,900 No, thank you. 298 00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:34,154 MALE ACTIVIST: Excuse me, ma'am. Would you like to sign? 299 00:18:34,239 --> 00:18:35,906 I actually just signed. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. 300 00:18:35,991 --> 00:18:36,991 Thank you. 301 00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:40,536 Too much independent spirit for you? 302 00:18:41,121 --> 00:18:44,832 Uh, no, I just don't really like bashing my country. 303 00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:48,711 It's my country too, and right now it has blood on its hands. 304 00:18:49,796 --> 00:18:51,130 (SIGHS) 305 00:18:51,214 --> 00:18:54,133 Sorry, I just... I have friends who are over there right now. 306 00:18:54,384 --> 00:18:55,551 I'm not talking about the troops. 307 00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:57,469 I'm talking about the moron sending them to war. 308 00:18:57,554 --> 00:19:00,389 (LAUGHS) Moron? You mean our Commander-in-Chief? 309 00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:02,891 Yeah, whatever you want to call him. He's still wrong. 310 00:19:02,976 --> 00:19:04,685 How do you know he's wrong? You're just lashing out. 311 00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:08,564 No, I'm not lashing out. I'm questioning our government. 312 00:19:08,648 --> 00:19:09,773 That's what we do in this country. 313 00:19:09,858 --> 00:19:12,192 That is the principle that we were founded on. 314 00:19:12,277 --> 00:19:16,447 Okay, but how about questioning the liberal media? 315 00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:20,617 I mean, you're just buying into what one side is saying. 316 00:19:21,411 --> 00:19:24,038 (LAUGHS) Maybe I am, 'cause my side is right. 317 00:19:24,581 --> 00:19:26,707 See, that's funny, 'cause my side's right. Oh, really? 318 00:19:26,791 --> 00:19:29,084 Yeah. Uh...(LAUGHS) 319 00:19:29,878 --> 00:19:33,213 Why is it smart conservatives always make me so mad? 320 00:19:33,298 --> 00:19:35,591 Probably because you don't like hearing the truth. 321 00:19:36,217 --> 00:19:40,054 You are a very frustrating individual, you know that? 322 00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:43,974 How am I going to make you see? 323 00:19:44,059 --> 00:19:46,268 I can see just fine, thank you. 324 00:19:52,609 --> 00:19:53,817 (CHUCKLES) 325 00:19:53,902 --> 00:19:55,152 That help at all? 326 00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:59,031 Nope. No, that did nothing for me. 327 00:19:59,115 --> 00:20:00,366 Tastes like liberal. 328 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:03,285 (LAUGHS) It's not my thing. 329 00:20:05,789 --> 00:20:10,334 (O'BRIAN READING) 330 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:14,129 Is it constitutional to bypass the Courts? 331 00:20:14,214 --> 00:20:16,799 No. The Fourth Amendment prevents searches 332 00:20:16,883 --> 00:20:18,300 and seizures without a warrant. 333 00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:21,929 That's absolutely right, Rio. Which means 334 00:20:22,764 --> 00:20:25,557 your Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States, 335 00:20:25,642 --> 00:20:27,476 is breaking the law. 336 00:20:28,686 --> 00:20:30,479 That is what you're saying, isn't it, Rio? 337 00:20:30,647 --> 00:20:35,526 Well, I guess it depends on who you talk to. 338 00:20:35,610 --> 00:20:37,444 O'BRIAN: And if you talk to journalists? 339 00:20:38,154 --> 00:20:41,949 Who, more often than not, don't have the full picture, 340 00:20:42,033 --> 00:20:45,494 or neglect to report it, you only get a partial truth. 341 00:20:49,165 --> 00:20:51,917 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. 342 00:20:52,001 --> 00:20:53,502 The FISA Court. 343 00:20:54,295 --> 00:20:57,297 We do respect the Fourth Amendment in this country, 344 00:20:57,382 --> 00:20:58,924 and we issue warrants based on suspicion. 345 00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:04,346 But sometimes these warrants have to be issued by secret courts, 346 00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:07,099 so we don't alert the suspects we're spying on. 347 00:21:07,183 --> 00:21:10,352 And these court proceedings are classified, 348 00:21:10,437 --> 00:21:12,187 which means, surprise... 349 00:21:13,565 --> 00:21:16,442 They don't appear in papers such as The New York Times. 350 00:21:17,861 --> 00:21:19,153 SNOWDEN: Did you see my test scores? 351 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:22,531 HANK: Yes. Top of my class. Like you. What, here? 352 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:25,659 NSA. They liked me plenty. 353 00:21:25,743 --> 00:21:30,038 They put me on all the best teams. Soviet frontier. Desert Storm. 354 00:21:30,498 --> 00:21:32,541 And then the big new challenge, 355 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:37,171 find the terrorist in the Internet haystack. Hell of a haystack. 356 00:21:37,255 --> 00:21:38,672 Hundreds of terabytes a minute. 357 00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:41,675 I mean, it would take you 400 years to read the emails. 358 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:43,802 Then you have to analyze them. 359 00:21:44,596 --> 00:21:46,847 Sometimes, the more you look, the less you see. 360 00:21:47,932 --> 00:21:49,766 What'd you come up with? HANK: Something beautiful. 361 00:21:49,851 --> 00:21:52,227 In house. For $3 million. 362 00:21:52,312 --> 00:21:56,398 A program that could differentiate between foreign and domestic, 363 00:21:56,483 --> 00:22:00,110 encrypt every signal we weren't targeting, so it would remain private. 364 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:02,446 It was elegant, streamlined. 365 00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:04,364 It was the best work I ever did. 366 00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:07,075 Have a seat. 367 00:22:08,703 --> 00:22:09,953 What was it called? 368 00:22:17,921 --> 00:22:23,133 Ed, rising to the top in our world 369 00:22:23,218 --> 00:22:26,553 can sometimes be hard on a man. 370 00:22:26,638 --> 00:22:31,016 I mean... You think you're making strides, 371 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:33,769 you think you're taking the initiative. 372 00:22:34,604 --> 00:22:37,481 And then, the next minute, they grind your work out of existence. 373 00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:40,025 They didn't use it? Why not? 374 00:22:40,109 --> 00:22:42,528 HANK: Well, they never tell you why. 375 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:46,657 Two years later, after 9/11, 376 00:22:46,741 --> 00:22:48,033 a friend of mine tells me about 377 00:22:48,117 --> 00:22:50,911 this new contractor program they're using. 378 00:22:50,995 --> 00:22:53,455 Costs $4 billion to deploy. 379 00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:58,460 Modeled after mine but with no filters, no automation. 380 00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:03,215 Ingested everything. They were drowning in data. 381 00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:04,925 It was a fucking disaster. 382 00:23:05,009 --> 00:23:07,886 Okay, but there must have been some bigger picture, right? 383 00:23:07,971 --> 00:23:11,265 I mean, spending that kind of money? They're not stupid. 384 00:23:11,349 --> 00:23:14,017 You would think intelligence would count for something 385 00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:15,978 in the intelligence business. 386 00:23:16,062 --> 00:23:19,439 Right. But you wanna know what it really is? 387 00:23:19,524 --> 00:23:21,733 What really sets the agenda? 388 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:27,114 Military industrial happiness management. 389 00:23:28,032 --> 00:23:30,033 You keep the coffers open in Congress, 390 00:23:30,118 --> 00:23:33,287 you keep the money flowing to the contractors. 391 00:23:33,371 --> 00:23:37,082 Efficiency, results? They go out the window. 392 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:40,502 Not to mention... All right. 393 00:23:42,005 --> 00:23:43,130 Well, you're late for class. 394 00:23:43,256 --> 00:23:44,631 (BELL RINGING) 395 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:46,633 Okay. Thank you. 396 00:23:48,386 --> 00:23:50,804 Can I take another one? Sure. 397 00:23:57,854 --> 00:24:00,397 Did you ever say anything to anybody? 398 00:24:00,481 --> 00:24:04,610 Yeah. I went to legal. We filed complaints. 399 00:24:04,694 --> 00:24:08,530 Now here I am, tucked away, teaching you. 400 00:24:11,326 --> 00:24:13,744 Maybe that's more important, in the long run. 401 00:24:14,621 --> 00:24:15,662 You're getting better. 402 00:24:31,554 --> 00:24:33,513 My favorite spot on campus. 403 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:37,601 You hunt, Ed? 404 00:24:38,728 --> 00:24:40,062 SNOWDEN: Uh... 405 00:24:40,938 --> 00:24:43,482 Did some skeet shooting with my dad a few times, 406 00:24:43,566 --> 00:24:45,317 but, no, I never went hunting. 407 00:24:45,401 --> 00:24:46,610 O'BRIAN: We'll go one day. 408 00:24:46,694 --> 00:24:47,903 SNOWDEN: That'd be great. 409 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,947 Mr. O'Brian, can I ask you a question? 410 00:24:51,032 --> 00:24:52,783 How about just calling me Corbin? 411 00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:56,703 Okay. (LAUGHS) Thank you, sir. Uh, Corbin. 412 00:24:57,664 --> 00:25:02,209 I was talking with Hank Forrester and I wanted to know, 413 00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:06,171 are all of our SIGINT programs specifically targeted? 414 00:25:06,923 --> 00:25:10,717 Of course. What good would they be if they weren't? Hmm? 415 00:25:12,178 --> 00:25:13,553 (LAUGHS) Yeah, I don't know. 416 00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:17,683 You have a girlfriend, Ed? 417 00:25:19,894 --> 00:25:21,520 Uh, nothing serious. 418 00:25:21,604 --> 00:25:23,021 What's her name? Lindsay. 419 00:25:23,106 --> 00:25:24,147 Lindsay. 420 00:25:25,441 --> 00:25:26,983 She going with you? 421 00:25:27,819 --> 00:25:30,654 No, I wouldn't want to put her in any danger. 422 00:25:30,738 --> 00:25:31,780 Well, you won't have to. 423 00:25:32,156 --> 00:25:34,282 We're not sending you to the Middle East. 424 00:25:39,580 --> 00:25:44,126 Sir, I'm your best student. Doesn't that count for something? 425 00:25:44,961 --> 00:25:49,381 In 20 years, Iraq will be a hellhole nobody cares about. 426 00:25:49,465 --> 00:25:51,508 Terrorism's a short-term threat. 427 00:25:51,592 --> 00:25:56,138 The real threats will come from China, Russia, Iran, 428 00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:59,057 and they'll come as SQL injections and malware. 429 00:25:59,142 --> 00:26:03,228 Without minds like yours, this country will be torn apart in cyberspace. 430 00:26:04,105 --> 00:26:05,480 I don't want to risk losing you 431 00:26:05,606 --> 00:26:08,316 for some horseshit war over sand and oil. 432 00:26:10,945 --> 00:26:12,821 Sir, I'm surprised to hear you say that. 433 00:26:12,905 --> 00:26:16,283 You don't have to agree with your politicians to be a patriot. 434 00:26:16,367 --> 00:26:17,701 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 435 00:26:20,329 --> 00:26:22,789 Sir, where are you sending me? Take a moment. 436 00:26:23,458 --> 00:26:24,833 Enjoy the view. 437 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,920 Hey. 438 00:26:32,008 --> 00:26:33,759 (SIRENS BLARING) 439 00:26:34,927 --> 00:26:37,053 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 440 00:26:39,849 --> 00:26:41,183 (STATIC) 441 00:26:42,643 --> 00:26:44,102 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 442 00:26:45,521 --> 00:26:46,563 (DOOR OPENS) 443 00:26:46,647 --> 00:26:47,856 GLENN: This is Laura. 444 00:26:48,483 --> 00:26:49,483 Hello. 445 00:26:49,567 --> 00:26:51,026 EWEN: Hello, nice to meet you. 446 00:26:51,861 --> 00:26:54,988 Hello, I'm Ewen MacAskill from the Guardian. It's nice to meet you. 447 00:26:55,072 --> 00:26:56,281 Nice to meet you, too. 448 00:26:56,365 --> 00:26:59,868 Um, if you don't mind, uh, I'd like to record some of... 449 00:26:59,952 --> 00:27:02,329 Uh... Cell phones go in the microwave. 450 00:27:02,705 --> 00:27:03,789 Dare I ask why? 451 00:27:03,873 --> 00:27:06,333 We'll get to that. After you ask your questions. 452 00:27:07,335 --> 00:27:08,460 EWEN: Yeah, before... 453 00:27:08,544 --> 00:27:10,629 Before we get on to the stories, I need to know more about you. 454 00:27:10,713 --> 00:27:15,133 Your career by Glenn's account is very varied, 455 00:27:15,218 --> 00:27:16,885 but the Guardian needs evidence that... 456 00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:20,013 Yeah. This is my diplomatic passport for friendly countries, 457 00:27:20,097 --> 00:27:21,973 my tourist passport for everywhere else. 458 00:27:22,058 --> 00:27:23,433 You can check the visa stamps. 459 00:27:23,518 --> 00:27:27,562 This is my NSA badge with Booz Allen, my CIA badge with Dell, 460 00:27:27,647 --> 00:27:30,732 and this is my DIA instructor's badge. 461 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,735 This is a photo of me with Michael Hayden, 462 00:27:33,861 --> 00:27:36,738 who's a former head of the NSA and the CIA. 463 00:27:38,032 --> 00:27:39,157 When can you publish? 464 00:27:40,409 --> 00:27:43,620 Okay, um, do you mind if I sit down? No, please. 465 00:27:43,913 --> 00:27:48,208 EWEN: Uh, Glenn says you want to, uh... 466 00:27:48,459 --> 00:27:50,252 You want to tell people your identity. 467 00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:51,920 How do you think your government's going to react? 468 00:27:52,213 --> 00:27:54,589 Well, they'll charge me under the Espionage Act. 469 00:27:54,674 --> 00:27:57,384 And they'll say I endangered national security, 470 00:27:57,468 --> 00:28:00,178 and they'll demonize me, and my friends and family. 471 00:28:00,263 --> 00:28:03,014 (INHALES DEEPLY) And they'll throw me in jail. 472 00:28:03,099 --> 00:28:05,100 That's the best-case scenario. 473 00:28:05,226 --> 00:28:06,518 And the worst? 474 00:28:06,602 --> 00:28:08,812 Well, if I don't have any media cover, 475 00:28:08,896 --> 00:28:11,481 then I'll be rendered by the CIA 476 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:13,900 and interrogated outside of the law. 477 00:28:13,985 --> 00:28:16,653 And they have a station right up the street. 478 00:28:16,737 --> 00:28:19,114 But how would they know what you did? 479 00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:22,742 Because I left a digital footprint in my logs, so they'll figure it out. 480 00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:24,786 I did not want a manhunt. 481 00:28:24,871 --> 00:28:27,038 I know what they would do to my colleagues. 482 00:28:28,332 --> 00:28:31,167 Look, Mr. MacAskill, uh, 483 00:28:31,252 --> 00:28:34,838 this is not about money or anything for me. 484 00:28:34,922 --> 00:28:36,172 There's no hidden agenda. 485 00:28:36,257 --> 00:28:40,051 I just wanted to get this data to established journalists like yourselves, 486 00:28:40,136 --> 00:28:42,345 so that you can present it to the world, 487 00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:45,974 and the people can decide either I'm wrong 488 00:28:46,976 --> 00:28:50,896 or there's something going on inside the government that's really wrong. 489 00:28:54,692 --> 00:28:55,734 So... 490 00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,989 This one is everything I have 491 00:29:01,073 --> 00:29:03,992 on your British intelligence agency, the GCHQ. 492 00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:06,036 An encryption key will follow. 493 00:29:07,204 --> 00:29:09,706 You're gonna want your technical people at the Guardian 494 00:29:09,790 --> 00:29:10,999 to look through that thoroughly. 495 00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:13,001 There's a lot of stuff there. 496 00:29:13,544 --> 00:29:14,878 (INHALES DEEPLY) 497 00:29:16,005 --> 00:29:17,505 Listen, they're gonna investigate, 498 00:29:17,632 --> 00:29:20,592 and they're gonna figure out what I've done. 499 00:29:20,885 --> 00:29:22,802 And then they're gonna come for me. 500 00:29:22,887 --> 00:29:24,429 And now that we've made contact, 501 00:29:26,182 --> 00:29:28,016 they're gonna come for all of you, too. 502 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:35,774 Uh... Um... 503 00:29:37,276 --> 00:29:38,902 Do you mind if I go look in the microwave? 504 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,247 Ewen. I'm on with Stuart. 505 00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:52,374 Hi, Ewen. 506 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:56,336 Hi, Stuart. Look, I've got one thing to say. 507 00:29:56,504 --> 00:29:58,922 The Guinness here is great. JANINE: (OVER PHONE) Wonderful. 508 00:29:59,006 --> 00:30:01,132 Oh, absolutely the genuine article. 509 00:30:01,217 --> 00:30:02,300 JANINE: (OVER PHONE) Good. 510 00:30:02,385 --> 00:30:04,844 But shockingly different from what you'd expect. 511 00:30:05,388 --> 00:30:10,642 So... (CLEARS THROAT) Now we have the lawyers to deal with. And no doubt the White House. 512 00:30:12,436 --> 00:30:13,436 I got the go ahead. 513 00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:14,813 That's great. Oh, good. 514 00:30:14,897 --> 00:30:16,648 Let's get started. We have a lot to go through here, 515 00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:18,024 and it's not easy reading. 516 00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:19,901 LAURA: We can start by showing him XKeyscore. 517 00:30:19,986 --> 00:30:22,320 Good idea. Ed, can you bring it up again and walk us through it? 518 00:30:22,405 --> 00:30:23,488 Yeah. 519 00:30:26,909 --> 00:30:29,244 (CAMERA BEEPS, WHIRRING) 520 00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:32,247 Do we all get under there now? 521 00:30:32,373 --> 00:30:34,582 He's protecting his passwords. (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 522 00:30:35,668 --> 00:30:37,877 Okay. So... 523 00:30:41,215 --> 00:30:43,925 This was introduced 524 00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:48,513 during my first deployment at the CIA in Geneva. 525 00:30:48,597 --> 00:30:49,723 EWEN: "XKeyscore. " 526 00:30:51,267 --> 00:30:52,600 What does that do? 527 00:30:52,935 --> 00:30:55,770 It's like a search interface. 528 00:30:57,481 --> 00:30:59,065 What does it search for? 529 00:30:59,358 --> 00:31:00,942 Anything you want. 530 00:31:02,194 --> 00:31:03,987 EWEN: What was your assignment in Geneva? 531 00:31:04,405 --> 00:31:09,284 SNOWDEN: Well, I was assigned with diplomatic cover to the UN mission 532 00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:11,911 to maintain the CIA's computer security network. 533 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:20,211 I spent almost two years around CIA field officers. 534 00:31:22,757 --> 00:31:25,008 I don't see a time stamp on any of this. 535 00:31:25,176 --> 00:31:26,634 We have a confirmation on the GSS. 536 00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:27,969 (PHONE RINGING) 537 00:31:28,179 --> 00:31:30,680 SNOWDEN: I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand. 538 00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:33,308 Sherman says you hacked the Human Resources site. 539 00:31:33,434 --> 00:31:35,226 Yeah, it's my job to find flaws. 540 00:31:35,478 --> 00:31:37,979 The security of the HR site is not your problem. 541 00:31:38,064 --> 00:31:39,647 You went outside the wheelhouse. 542 00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:42,150 Okay, but just to clarify, I did not hack it, 543 00:31:42,318 --> 00:31:44,736 I showed that it could be hacked. 544 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:46,112 You told me to find a patch. 545 00:31:46,197 --> 00:31:47,363 You have that in writing? 546 00:31:47,448 --> 00:31:50,658 Yes, I do. Remember, I sent you the proof of concept. 547 00:31:53,788 --> 00:31:54,996 Doesn't matter what you did, Snowden. 548 00:31:55,081 --> 00:31:57,665 Right or wrong, you need to let these things be someone else's problem. 549 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,584 He's also put a derog in your file. 550 00:31:59,668 --> 00:32:01,086 Excuse me? Let that be a lesson. 551 00:32:01,170 --> 00:32:02,504 I don't want him calling me again 552 00:32:02,588 --> 00:32:04,339 about another Ed Snowden moment. 553 00:32:05,382 --> 00:32:06,800 Okay? 554 00:32:07,134 --> 00:32:09,010 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 555 00:32:10,179 --> 00:32:11,846 Why don't you take it easy the rest of the day? 556 00:32:11,931 --> 00:32:13,765 Go work on the scrubbing pile. 557 00:32:19,688 --> 00:32:21,356 That didn't look like it went well. 558 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,736 Oh, hey, man. Uh, yeah. No, I just got a derog for doing my job. 559 00:32:26,821 --> 00:32:30,406 (CHUCKLES) Politics, man. The culture of fear wins again. 560 00:32:30,533 --> 00:32:32,867 I can't get anything done here. Yeah. 561 00:32:33,327 --> 00:32:36,955 Hey, um, what about that idea that we were talking about? 562 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:38,623 I'm working on it. I'm waiting for a call back 563 00:32:38,707 --> 00:32:40,208 from our friend at The Hill. 564 00:32:40,251 --> 00:32:42,001 Who, Corbin? You called Corbin? Hmm. 565 00:32:42,086 --> 00:32:43,419 You think he can do something? 566 00:32:43,504 --> 00:32:46,506 We'll see. Maybe some limited field ops under my supervision. 567 00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:48,133 Yes, that would be amazing. I would love... 568 00:32:48,217 --> 00:32:51,970 Easy, Ed. I've gotta see a cleric in Milan. We'll talk after. 569 00:32:52,054 --> 00:32:53,888 Okay. Thank you. 570 00:32:57,393 --> 00:32:59,477 (MACHINE WHIRRING) 571 00:33:09,864 --> 00:33:11,072 (KNOCKS) 572 00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:14,784 Damn, CIA does not like to leave a trace, huh? 573 00:33:14,869 --> 00:33:15,869 Can I help you? 574 00:33:15,953 --> 00:33:17,662 You get curious to check one out? 575 00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:20,290 See what kind of crazy-ass covert kill mission 576 00:33:20,374 --> 00:33:21,457 you might be erasing from history? 577 00:33:21,542 --> 00:33:22,625 I'm sorry, who are you with? 578 00:33:22,918 --> 00:33:25,420 No Such Agency. I'm Gabriel Sol. 579 00:33:25,546 --> 00:33:28,840 I'm the 50-pound brain from the Council of Wizards and Warlocks. 580 00:33:29,466 --> 00:33:30,633 Excuse me? 581 00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:32,927 Giving you your intel for Bucharest, dude. Oh. 582 00:33:33,012 --> 00:33:34,929 Unless there's another Dave Churchyard. 583 00:33:35,014 --> 00:33:37,640 No. That's me. Right this way. 584 00:33:41,979 --> 00:33:44,272 I'll be right outside. Stay if you want. 585 00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:48,860 (SYSTEM BEEPS) Uh, I don't have authorization to use NSA programs. 586 00:33:48,944 --> 00:33:50,028 Well, if you're the messenger to Bucharest, 587 00:33:50,112 --> 00:33:51,529 you must have a PRIVAC clearance 588 00:33:51,614 --> 00:33:53,239 to see the finished intel, yes? 589 00:33:54,074 --> 00:33:55,033 Yeah... 590 00:33:55,117 --> 00:33:56,284 GABRIEL: Yeah, so what difference does it make 591 00:33:56,368 --> 00:33:57,619 if you see how it's put together? 592 00:33:57,703 --> 00:34:00,121 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 593 00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:01,789 Well, it's up to you, man. 594 00:34:07,213 --> 00:34:09,339 Uh, you're giving me just names? 595 00:34:09,423 --> 00:34:10,965 Uh, and a lot more than names. 596 00:34:11,383 --> 00:34:14,427 What I will be providing you and the fine gentlemen of the Secret Service 597 00:34:14,511 --> 00:34:19,390 is a list of every threat made about the President since February 3rd. 598 00:34:19,475 --> 00:34:21,976 And a profile of every threat-maker. 599 00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:26,898 And these are, like, existing targets? 600 00:34:26,982 --> 00:34:30,151 99% are gonna come from the bulk collection program, so... 601 00:34:30,319 --> 00:34:32,111 Upstream, Muscular, Tempora, PRISM. 602 00:34:32,988 --> 00:34:33,988 PRISM? 603 00:34:35,991 --> 00:34:37,825 You got a little Snow White in you. 604 00:34:38,953 --> 00:34:42,205 Which makes me feel like the witch bringing you a poisoned apple. 605 00:34:42,289 --> 00:34:44,582 Here. Exhibit A. 606 00:34:44,667 --> 00:34:47,877 Oakland resident Justin Pinsky posted on a message board, 607 00:34:47,962 --> 00:34:50,713 "Romania has a storied history of executing their leaders, 608 00:34:50,798 --> 00:34:53,633 "couldn't they do us a solid and take out Bush?" 609 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,512 Now this looks juicy. This is from a G-chat. 610 00:34:59,348 --> 00:35:02,850 "... with the biggest python you've ever seen. " Hmm. 611 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,354 How is this all possible? 612 00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:08,439 Um, keyword selectors. 613 00:35:08,524 --> 00:35:10,692 "Attack," "take out Bush. " 614 00:35:12,486 --> 00:35:14,028 So think of it as a Google search, 615 00:35:14,113 --> 00:35:16,072 except instead of searching only what people make public, 616 00:35:16,156 --> 00:35:18,366 we're also looking at everything they don't. So... 617 00:35:18,867 --> 00:35:20,743 Emails, chats, SMS, whatever. 618 00:35:20,828 --> 00:35:22,537 Yeah, but which people? 619 00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:25,540 The whole kingdom, Snow White. 620 00:35:30,045 --> 00:35:31,296 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 621 00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:34,465 Which ambassador was he again? 622 00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:37,135 De La Hoya, with World Trade Organization. 623 00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:38,303 Right. 624 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,888 (STRING QUARTET PLAYING) 625 00:35:52,151 --> 00:35:53,151 MATT: So... 626 00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:55,611 O'Brian came through for you. 627 00:35:55,779 --> 00:35:59,407 He agrees your talents are being wasted. You ready for a little action? 628 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,744 Really? What, you mean right here? 629 00:36:03,245 --> 00:36:05,163 Yeah. Now. 630 00:36:05,247 --> 00:36:07,332 See the woman in the pink number? 631 00:36:07,416 --> 00:36:12,170 Credit Suisse. J. P. Morgan's on her arm. Grandma's with Deutsche Bank. 632 00:36:12,254 --> 00:36:14,088 Ten thousand bankers in this town. 633 00:36:14,173 --> 00:36:16,090 All you need to turn is one. 634 00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:18,259 Socialize. Meet a few. 635 00:36:18,344 --> 00:36:21,095 Preferably ones sitting on a pile of dirty Saudi money 636 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:22,555 that's funding bin Laden. 637 00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:25,933 Thank you very much. Church. Church. Sure. Churchyard. 638 00:36:26,935 --> 00:36:28,936 (SPEAKING RUSSIAN) 639 00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:36,527 Mr. Debrinin asks your business card, please. 640 00:36:36,945 --> 00:36:39,280 An ambassador. Wow! (LAUGHING) 641 00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:41,366 I wish I had your schmoozing skills. 642 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:43,284 Uh, well, that's why you have me. 643 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:46,120 Yeah. You don't know any bankers, do you? Bankers? 644 00:36:46,955 --> 00:36:49,457 Are you on some kind of assignment or something? 645 00:36:50,959 --> 00:36:55,254 Um, "Relationship cultivating. " (SIGHS) And not well. 646 00:36:56,757 --> 00:36:58,049 Let me help you. 647 00:36:58,133 --> 00:36:59,258 No. Yeah. 648 00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:01,844 No, this is serious. I know it's serious. 649 00:37:02,179 --> 00:37:03,179 Trust me. 650 00:37:05,182 --> 00:37:06,474 Any luck? 651 00:37:06,809 --> 00:37:08,017 No, no bites. 652 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,854 Is there some kind of trick to it? 653 00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:14,816 It's all about finding the pressure point. 654 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:16,943 Everything else is just pushing on it. 655 00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:21,155 Looks like you're being summoned. 656 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,663 ...we have to pay extra... Marwan? May I interrupt? 657 00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:29,914 This is my boyfriend, Dave. 658 00:37:29,998 --> 00:37:32,500 Hello, Dave. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. 659 00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:33,668 Marwan works at Monfort. 660 00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:37,255 We were talking, and after last week, 661 00:37:37,339 --> 00:37:39,132 he may be able to give you some tips. 662 00:37:39,216 --> 00:37:41,759 Gentlemen, I'll see you inside. Last week? 663 00:37:43,429 --> 00:37:46,681 He's embarrassed. It was a lot of money for us. 664 00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:51,227 Day trading is a perilous sport. (LAUGHS) 665 00:37:51,353 --> 00:37:53,729 You shouldn't be ashamed of it. Yeah. 666 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,108 I'm gonna grab some food. See you guys inside? 667 00:37:57,192 --> 00:37:58,317 Sure. 668 00:37:59,987 --> 00:38:02,488 You have a lovely girlfriend. Thank you so much. 669 00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:05,575 You know, I work in IT, and so I just figured 670 00:38:05,701 --> 00:38:08,411 I could crack the market like a weak network. 671 00:38:08,537 --> 00:38:11,581 May I ask, how precipitous were your losses? 672 00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:15,460 Well, I told Lindsay it was 20,000, 673 00:38:15,544 --> 00:38:18,379 but between you and me, it was closer to 45. 674 00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:22,633 Tried to recoup, but that was a mistake, 675 00:38:22,718 --> 00:38:24,302 and now without any real grounding, 676 00:38:24,386 --> 00:38:25,970 I feel like I'm just sliding out of control. 677 00:38:26,054 --> 00:38:27,930 Oh, I have seen it many times. 678 00:38:28,015 --> 00:38:29,807 And I'm always happy to help a man 679 00:38:29,892 --> 00:38:32,143 break a bad habit before it gets going. 680 00:38:32,227 --> 00:38:34,061 Oh, thank you. I really appreciate that. 681 00:38:36,398 --> 00:38:39,150 GABRIEL: This is the cleanest Pakistani I've ever seen. 682 00:38:39,234 --> 00:38:41,402 We got no first-degree ties to government or ISI, 683 00:38:41,487 --> 00:38:42,904 no shady family. 684 00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:45,656 I mean, second-degree contacts are off the charts, 685 00:38:45,741 --> 00:38:47,325 but that's... I mean, that's everyone in the Middle East 686 00:38:47,409 --> 00:38:48,659 with a six-figure income. 687 00:38:48,744 --> 00:38:52,538 Well, it's not dirt that we need necessarily, it's a pressure point. 688 00:38:52,623 --> 00:38:55,750 Something intimate, some kind of weakness. 689 00:38:55,876 --> 00:38:59,128 Can we look through his family? Mmm-hmm. 690 00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:03,591 GABRIEL: How about his sister-in-law? 691 00:39:04,885 --> 00:39:05,927 Yeah. 692 00:39:08,514 --> 00:39:11,807 What is that, is that some video that she sent somebody? 693 00:39:11,892 --> 00:39:14,268 No, this is live. Out of Paris. 694 00:39:14,561 --> 00:39:15,770 What do you mean, live? 695 00:39:16,605 --> 00:39:19,565 GABRIEL: Optic Nerve. It's camera and mic activation. 696 00:39:19,733 --> 00:39:21,734 I wish we could take credit, but the Brits wrote it. 697 00:39:21,818 --> 00:39:23,152 Activation? 698 00:39:23,237 --> 00:39:25,154 GABRIEL: Yeah, her laptop's off. 699 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,864 Or was, she just forgot to close it. 700 00:39:26,949 --> 00:39:27,990 Of course, how would she know? 701 00:39:28,075 --> 00:39:30,618 This shit is so sly, the webcam light doesn't even turn on. 702 00:39:38,168 --> 00:39:41,212 Hmm. I always wondered what was under those. 703 00:39:48,762 --> 00:39:51,180 Okay, look, let's stick to family in Geneva. 704 00:39:51,431 --> 00:39:52,723 All right? 705 00:39:52,808 --> 00:39:54,809 Okay, Snow White. Uh... 706 00:39:55,644 --> 00:39:58,312 Fifteen-year-old daughter at the International School. 707 00:39:58,397 --> 00:40:02,733 Yeah. Uh, Facebook? Is that possible? 708 00:40:02,818 --> 00:40:04,485 Dude, Facebook's my bitch. 709 00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:06,028 Seriously? (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 710 00:40:06,321 --> 00:40:09,490 Like, she fights with her parents, or... 711 00:40:09,575 --> 00:40:12,868 Don't worry, don't worry. I know all the hooks for this kind of fishing. 712 00:40:13,495 --> 00:40:17,331 Uh, query name. So email, keyword, whatever selector you want. 713 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,168 And justification is where I write... 714 00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:26,549 In other words, turning your daddy into a CIA informant. 715 00:40:26,675 --> 00:40:28,801 Wait, that's it? (INHALES DEEPLY) That's it, bro. 716 00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:32,471 You don't have to get a FISA court order? 717 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:35,433 Mmm-mmm. No, not here. XKeyscore's under 702 authority, 718 00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:37,351 which means no warrants. 719 00:40:37,603 --> 00:40:41,105 Okay, but U.S. targets then, you'd have to get the court order? 720 00:40:41,189 --> 00:40:44,734 You mean FISA? Yeah, they're just a big-ass rubber stamp, dude. 721 00:40:44,818 --> 00:40:46,485 I mean, FISA judges are all appointed by 722 00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:49,155 the Chief Justice, who's like, you know... 723 00:40:50,490 --> 00:40:53,242 Darth Vader when it comes to national security. Boom. 724 00:40:53,744 --> 00:40:55,202 Here we go. 725 00:40:57,247 --> 00:41:02,668 Okay, okay. And the boy at third base is... 726 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,051 Nadim. Okay. He's 18. 727 00:41:11,345 --> 00:41:12,428 Salma says she wants to marry him, 728 00:41:12,512 --> 00:41:14,305 but is scared of telling her parents. 729 00:41:14,473 --> 00:41:19,727 What she doesn't know is that his other name is Nicolas. 730 00:41:21,271 --> 00:41:23,564 And he's currently banging Geraldine and Julie. 731 00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:26,692 And... 732 00:41:31,531 --> 00:41:33,616 He and his Turkish mother are here illegally. 733 00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:39,955 That's it. 734 00:41:42,751 --> 00:41:44,752 (MUSIC PLAYING) 735 00:41:48,465 --> 00:41:50,508 STRIPPER: Ah, you like that? 736 00:41:50,592 --> 00:41:52,134 MARWAN: I love these. 737 00:41:55,389 --> 00:41:56,931 Man, what are we doing here? 738 00:41:57,432 --> 00:41:59,809 You're making people very happy. 739 00:41:59,893 --> 00:42:02,395 Mr. Marwan's bank handles serious Saudi money, 740 00:42:02,479 --> 00:42:04,772 and a whole bunch of Russian billionaires. 741 00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:09,068 What about any al-Qaeda money? Anything promising? 742 00:42:10,445 --> 00:42:12,697 Ed, I'm up for a promotion soon. 743 00:42:12,781 --> 00:42:14,657 I will not forget my friends. 744 00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:16,742 Thank you. 745 00:42:16,785 --> 00:42:18,369 This is all going kind of fast though, right? (LAUGHS) 746 00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:20,371 I mean, I just sent some initial background. 747 00:42:20,455 --> 00:42:22,581 There he is! The man! 748 00:42:22,666 --> 00:42:23,916 Hey, Marwan! 749 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,169 Dave. How wonderful to see you. 750 00:42:27,254 --> 00:42:28,504 Good to see you, too. 751 00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:33,426 Uh, I was counting, Marwan, you snuck in an extra half hour back there. 752 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:37,346 (LAUGHS) I'm afraid she was merely listening to an old man's woes. 753 00:42:37,431 --> 00:42:38,431 (LAUGHS) Oh, I see. 754 00:42:38,515 --> 00:42:40,349 So, how are you, Marwan? 755 00:42:42,602 --> 00:42:46,021 I must tell you, Dave, since we met, 756 00:42:46,815 --> 00:42:49,984 my life has gone somewhat topsy-turvy. 757 00:42:51,319 --> 00:42:53,154 Oh, no, I'm sorry to hear that. 758 00:42:53,655 --> 00:42:55,239 But your colleague Charles here 759 00:42:55,323 --> 00:42:57,533 has graciously offered his help. 760 00:42:57,617 --> 00:42:59,910 So I owe him and you a great deal. 761 00:42:59,995 --> 00:43:01,704 Can I ask what happened? 762 00:43:03,331 --> 00:43:05,916 My daughter had an... 763 00:43:06,001 --> 00:43:08,961 Marwan's daughter took too many sleeping pills. 764 00:43:09,045 --> 00:43:10,629 She's all right. 765 00:43:10,714 --> 00:43:13,632 It had something to do with her boyfriend, who was recently deported. 766 00:43:13,717 --> 00:43:15,634 We're trying to secure a visa for him. 767 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,180 And even so, I'm afraid that Salma will... 768 00:43:21,183 --> 00:43:23,601 I'm sorry. I won't trouble you with such matters. 769 00:43:23,685 --> 00:43:27,521 No, no, you... Hey. You talk as much as you want. 770 00:43:27,606 --> 00:43:30,274 All right? Family comes first. 771 00:43:30,442 --> 00:43:31,859 (LAUGHS SOFTLY) 772 00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:40,576 (ALL LAUGHING) 773 00:43:40,911 --> 00:43:42,161 Whoa! Oh! 774 00:43:43,038 --> 00:43:44,246 There's my beauty. 775 00:43:46,416 --> 00:43:48,167 I'm never like this before. 776 00:43:48,251 --> 00:43:50,085 Oh, sure. No, of course. 777 00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:52,338 You sit down, huh? Sit tight. 778 00:43:54,049 --> 00:43:56,884 You sit tight. (BOTH LAUGHING) 779 00:43:59,054 --> 00:44:00,471 What the fuck's going on? 780 00:44:00,555 --> 00:44:02,515 I have been acting swiftly and effectively 781 00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,643 on the very good signals intelligence you've provided. 782 00:44:05,977 --> 00:44:08,145 And if his daughter had died? 783 00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:09,980 We could have used that too. 784 00:44:10,065 --> 00:44:12,149 Are you serious? What, in the name of a promotion? 785 00:44:12,234 --> 00:44:13,651 (BEEPS) 786 00:44:15,237 --> 00:44:18,697 Marwan can't be away from his family right now. 787 00:44:18,782 --> 00:44:20,991 So in the morning, when he's facing a week in jail, 788 00:44:21,076 --> 00:44:24,161 we're going to offer him a deal and he won't turn it down. 789 00:44:24,246 --> 00:44:25,412 Wait, jail? For what? 790 00:44:26,414 --> 00:44:27,540 Drunk driving. 791 00:44:27,624 --> 00:44:30,000 Now, I want you to call the police. 792 00:44:30,085 --> 00:44:31,335 Tell 'em you saw a Mercedes headed north... 793 00:44:31,419 --> 00:44:32,628 No, he's not driving right now. 794 00:44:32,712 --> 00:44:34,505 Look at him, he'll kill himself. 795 00:44:37,592 --> 00:44:39,426 Okay. I'll call 'em. Hey! 796 00:44:40,929 --> 00:44:42,096 He's not driving. 797 00:44:43,139 --> 00:44:46,934 Remind me, are you authorized on any of the NSA programs you used? 798 00:44:49,271 --> 00:44:51,230 So we're both doing a little fucked up shit here, huh? 799 00:44:52,732 --> 00:44:55,067 Watch yourself, Ed. I will tell him who you are. 800 00:44:56,611 --> 00:44:59,363 You reveal the identity of an undercover officer, 801 00:44:59,447 --> 00:45:02,116 you're going to jail for a lot longer than Marwan. 802 00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:09,456 MARWAN: Hey! 803 00:45:23,179 --> 00:45:24,263 Hey. 804 00:45:24,848 --> 00:45:26,140 Sorry I'm so late. 805 00:45:28,977 --> 00:45:30,269 How was work? 806 00:45:32,772 --> 00:45:34,064 It was, uh... 807 00:45:35,859 --> 00:45:38,152 (SIGHS) It was all right. Yeah. 808 00:45:39,571 --> 00:45:42,781 (INHALES DEEPLY) I have to wake up in, like, three hours. 809 00:45:42,866 --> 00:45:44,325 My flight's at 7:00. 810 00:45:45,285 --> 00:45:46,744 (SIGHS) 811 00:45:47,662 --> 00:45:49,622 Well, we'd better be quick, then. 812 00:45:49,998 --> 00:45:51,332 (BOTH CHUCKLING) 813 00:46:08,183 --> 00:46:09,642 (MOANING) 814 00:46:11,645 --> 00:46:13,354 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 815 00:46:20,612 --> 00:46:22,529 (BOTH MOANING) 816 00:46:35,543 --> 00:46:38,837 I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies 817 00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:41,715 with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists 818 00:46:41,841 --> 00:46:44,802 without undermining our constitution and our freedom. 819 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,471 (DOOR OPENS) That means no more illegal wiretapping 820 00:46:47,555 --> 00:46:48,806 of American citizens. 821 00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:52,142 No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. 822 00:46:52,227 --> 00:46:53,644 That is not who we are. 823 00:46:54,062 --> 00:46:55,312 Hey, hon. Hey. 824 00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:58,524 (LAUGHS) What happened to the London trip? 825 00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:00,484 Uh... (REPORTERS SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON TV) 826 00:47:00,944 --> 00:47:02,403 Turns out I'm not going. 827 00:47:03,363 --> 00:47:04,530 Oh. 828 00:47:06,116 --> 00:47:08,033 What's going on? Who's winning? 829 00:47:08,118 --> 00:47:10,202 CORRESPONDENT:... and Michelle Obama voted this morning in Chicago. 830 00:47:10,286 --> 00:47:11,704 I voted. CORRESPONDENT: In Arizona... 831 00:47:11,913 --> 00:47:13,038 Still early. 832 00:47:13,123 --> 00:47:15,249 ...John and Cindy McCain voted, and then they landed in Colorado 833 00:47:15,375 --> 00:47:17,167 to defend a traditionally Republican state 834 00:47:17,252 --> 00:47:18,669 that has turned into a battleground. 835 00:47:18,753 --> 00:47:19,753 Hey. Let's see. 836 00:47:20,213 --> 00:47:23,382 WOLF: (ON TV) Obama ahead 67% to 32%... (EXHALES DEEPLY) 837 00:47:23,466 --> 00:47:26,593 Come on, big ears. Check out Florida. 838 00:47:31,766 --> 00:47:33,892 Holy shit, he's gonna win it! (LAUGHS) 839 00:47:34,269 --> 00:47:36,353 What, Florida? Yeah! 840 00:47:36,438 --> 00:47:38,439 That's big. Yeah. It's huge! 841 00:47:40,108 --> 00:47:43,527 You can act all nonchalant, but I know you were starting to root for him. 842 00:47:44,404 --> 00:47:46,321 I've been watching your inner liberal grow. 843 00:47:46,406 --> 00:47:48,574 For which I will take a modest percentage of the credit. 844 00:47:48,658 --> 00:47:50,659 And you deserve it. (LINDSAY LAUGHING) 845 00:47:50,744 --> 00:47:51,785 (CLEARS THROAT) 846 00:47:54,247 --> 00:47:55,289 What is this? 847 00:47:55,373 --> 00:47:56,582 WOLF:... in Missouri. 848 00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:59,376 56% for McCain, 43% for Obama. 849 00:47:59,461 --> 00:48:02,963 Oh, yeah, that. Just... Leave that there. That's, uh... 850 00:48:04,466 --> 00:48:07,051 Russian hackers. The Agency says 851 00:48:07,135 --> 00:48:09,678 they can activate webcams now. So... 852 00:48:09,763 --> 00:48:10,763 That's creepy. 853 00:48:10,847 --> 00:48:13,098 Yes. It's really bothering me. 854 00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:16,727 Whatever. It's not a big deal. You shouldn't let it bother you. 855 00:48:16,853 --> 00:48:18,562 It's not a big deal? No. 856 00:48:18,646 --> 00:48:20,981 What, that someone could be watching you right now? 857 00:48:21,608 --> 00:48:24,276 No, I'm not hiding anything. 858 00:48:25,403 --> 00:48:28,989 (EXHALES DEEPLY) That's such a bullshit line. What is? 859 00:48:29,115 --> 00:48:31,533 I have nothing to hide. I don't. 860 00:48:31,618 --> 00:48:32,785 Everyone does. 861 00:48:33,578 --> 00:48:35,871 Okay, well then, what do I have to hide? 862 00:48:36,623 --> 00:48:38,707 (SIGHS) Forget it. No, what do I have to hide? 863 00:48:38,792 --> 00:48:40,626 No, never... Let's just drop it. 864 00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:44,046 Well, apparently you think that I'm hiding something, so...(LAUGHS) 865 00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:46,548 Okay, the other day, your computer was open, 866 00:48:46,633 --> 00:48:49,426 and I happened to notice you were on the site where we met, 867 00:48:49,511 --> 00:48:50,761 and you were looking at other guys. 868 00:48:50,845 --> 00:48:53,013 You just were looking at my computer? 869 00:48:53,848 --> 00:48:55,140 I wouldn't have even brought this up. 870 00:48:55,225 --> 00:48:57,226 You asked me, "What do I have to hide?" 871 00:48:57,310 --> 00:48:59,311 That's something you're not telling me. 872 00:49:01,189 --> 00:49:05,776 (STUTTERS) Well, it's not... I don't do anything, 873 00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:08,070 I don't meet any of those people. 874 00:49:11,157 --> 00:49:12,783 You're gone for weeks at a time. 875 00:49:12,909 --> 00:49:15,369 So it's like I'm peering into other peoples' lives 876 00:49:15,495 --> 00:49:17,496 because my own is just temporarily on hold. 877 00:49:18,706 --> 00:49:20,040 That sounds like an excuse. 878 00:49:21,167 --> 00:49:22,376 It's the truth. 879 00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:26,255 (SIGHS) 880 00:49:38,852 --> 00:49:42,354 I should have told you. And I didn't. 881 00:49:42,438 --> 00:49:46,066 I'm really sorry. But it's not a big deal. 882 00:49:50,905 --> 00:49:51,905 Hey. 883 00:49:56,035 --> 00:49:57,369 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 884 00:50:01,082 --> 00:50:04,626 Look at me. I don't want anyone else. 885 00:50:06,462 --> 00:50:08,172 I don't want any other life. 886 00:50:09,757 --> 00:50:10,799 Okay? 887 00:50:25,523 --> 00:50:26,940 Listen, uh... 888 00:50:29,194 --> 00:50:32,529 I didn't go to London today 'cause I resigned. 889 00:50:34,699 --> 00:50:35,741 What? 890 00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:37,993 It was personal differences, 891 00:50:38,077 --> 00:50:40,162 and it was a matter of principle. 892 00:50:41,289 --> 00:50:42,873 Can you tell me anything else? 893 00:50:46,586 --> 00:50:47,920 Do you get reposted, or... 894 00:50:48,004 --> 00:50:50,631 No, no, I resigned from the CIA. 895 00:50:52,175 --> 00:50:54,176 LINDSAY: So what does that mean? What do we do? 896 00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:57,679 I don't know. I'll figure it out, but listen, I... 897 00:51:00,225 --> 00:51:03,602 This is a good thing. Trust me. 898 00:51:08,274 --> 00:51:09,483 I do. 899 00:51:11,694 --> 00:51:13,070 (LAUGHS SOFTLY) 900 00:51:15,823 --> 00:51:17,157 (EXHALES DEEPLY) 901 00:51:20,203 --> 00:51:21,828 Hey. Hmm? 902 00:51:22,288 --> 00:51:23,455 He's gonna win. 903 00:51:25,041 --> 00:51:26,583 WOLF: (ON TV) 52% for Obama, 48% for McCain. 904 00:51:26,668 --> 00:51:27,876 Yeah, he'd better. 905 00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:33,090 CNN can now project that Barack Obama, 47 years old, 906 00:51:33,174 --> 00:51:35,884 will become the President of the United States. (PEOPLE CHEERING) 907 00:51:36,469 --> 00:51:39,972 OBAMA: (ON TV) Every agency and department should know that this administration 908 00:51:40,056 --> 00:51:41,306 stands on the side 909 00:51:41,391 --> 00:51:43,517 not of those who seek to withhold information, 910 00:51:43,601 --> 00:51:45,435 but those who seek to make it known. 911 00:51:48,106 --> 00:51:49,940 GLENN: Janine is the website editor 912 00:51:50,024 --> 00:51:52,985 of a small stateside office of a British newspaper, 913 00:51:53,069 --> 00:51:55,612 up against the most powerful government in the world. 914 00:51:55,697 --> 00:51:56,947 EWEN: She won't be bullied. 915 00:51:57,365 --> 00:51:59,408 We need to establish that we're not compromising 916 00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:01,326 national security by publishing. 917 00:52:01,411 --> 00:52:02,953 GLENN: We need to have alternatives. 918 00:52:03,037 --> 00:52:04,371 Listen, Ed, 919 00:52:04,455 --> 00:52:06,832 the real issue here is that they, the White House, 920 00:52:06,916 --> 00:52:10,210 are aware that Janine has a leaked top secret FISA court order. 921 00:52:10,295 --> 00:52:11,461 Anything could happen. 922 00:52:11,546 --> 00:52:12,963 They could subpoena the Guardian 923 00:52:13,047 --> 00:52:14,131 and, for that matter, they could 924 00:52:14,215 --> 00:52:15,549 break through that door any minute, 925 00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:17,592 ending all of this. 926 00:52:17,677 --> 00:52:19,886 We are running out of time. 927 00:52:19,971 --> 00:52:23,056 We seriously have to think about doing this on our own website. 928 00:52:23,141 --> 00:52:24,433 We have no choice. 929 00:52:24,517 --> 00:52:26,310 Wait, you can't just start dumping articles 930 00:52:26,436 --> 00:52:28,228 on the Internet, Glenn! Be serious. 931 00:52:28,313 --> 00:52:30,981 Look at WikiLeaks. It destroyed their credibility. 932 00:52:31,065 --> 00:52:32,649 Look, Ed, you said it yourself, 933 00:52:32,734 --> 00:52:36,153 if this isn't done properly, the world isn't gonna take notice. 934 00:52:36,237 --> 00:52:39,614 You need experienced journalists to lead the public 935 00:52:39,699 --> 00:52:42,159 through some very, very complicated stories. 936 00:52:42,243 --> 00:52:43,744 We are experienced journalists. 937 00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:45,662 My feeling... (PHONE RINGING) 938 00:52:52,962 --> 00:52:56,173 Has anyone called here before? Not once. Not in three weeks. 939 00:52:56,257 --> 00:52:57,841 Well, I'II... Shall I answer it? 940 00:52:57,967 --> 00:52:59,593 I'll tell 'em it's the wrong number. 941 00:53:01,262 --> 00:53:02,429 Yes? 942 00:53:03,931 --> 00:53:05,349 No, I don't. 943 00:53:06,976 --> 00:53:08,435 Okay. Thank you. 944 00:53:11,272 --> 00:53:13,190 Asking if I want turndown service. 945 00:53:13,274 --> 00:53:15,776 She said the "Do not disturb" sign was off the door. 946 00:53:21,324 --> 00:53:22,574 (DOOR CLOSES) 947 00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:30,457 (EWEN SIGHS) 948 00:53:32,293 --> 00:53:33,627 (DOOR CLOSES) 949 00:53:33,878 --> 00:53:35,045 So? 950 00:53:36,255 --> 00:53:39,299 Do we wait? Or go on our own? 951 00:53:41,052 --> 00:53:42,219 Look, I said from the beginning 952 00:53:42,303 --> 00:53:45,305 that how you publish is your business, 953 00:53:45,390 --> 00:53:47,140 and I trust you. 954 00:53:47,225 --> 00:53:49,976 The only thing I ask is you study the data, you be responsible, 955 00:53:50,061 --> 00:53:52,729 no names, no specifics, anything ongoing 956 00:53:52,814 --> 00:53:54,940 that's critical, you don't release. 957 00:53:55,024 --> 00:53:57,442 You just stick to the issue of mass surveillance 958 00:53:57,527 --> 00:53:58,568 and let the people decide. 959 00:53:58,653 --> 00:54:01,738 GLENN: You have our word on that, but that's not the question. We have to ask... 960 00:54:01,823 --> 00:54:03,490 EWEN: Look, Ed, Ed, 961 00:54:03,574 --> 00:54:05,951 right now the White House is arranging a conference call 962 00:54:06,035 --> 00:54:08,120 between Janine and the intelligence services. 963 00:54:08,204 --> 00:54:11,289 Now that's gonna happen in a few hours. 964 00:54:11,374 --> 00:54:15,252 Let's at least wait for that, see what they say to her. 965 00:54:19,841 --> 00:54:21,883 I'd say we pause a moment. 966 00:54:23,177 --> 00:54:24,553 EWEN: Yeah, I think we should reassemble 967 00:54:24,637 --> 00:54:26,096 in this room after the call takes place, 968 00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:29,850 so that's around midnight. Be noon in New York. 969 00:54:30,601 --> 00:54:32,102 All right. 970 00:54:32,186 --> 00:54:34,521 I'll take another pass at the PRISM story in the meantime. 971 00:54:34,605 --> 00:54:38,483 Okay. We'll be in our hotel room if you need us, okay? 972 00:54:38,568 --> 00:54:39,568 Thanks, Ewen. 973 00:54:39,652 --> 00:54:40,819 Yeah. Okay. 974 00:54:44,198 --> 00:54:45,532 (DOOR CLOSES) 975 00:54:48,411 --> 00:54:51,204 Uh, do you mind maybe we take a break from that? 976 00:54:51,539 --> 00:54:53,081 For a second? 977 00:54:54,375 --> 00:54:56,668 Oh, yeah. Sure, sorry. (CAMERA BEEPS) 978 00:54:56,836 --> 00:55:00,213 You wanna take a look? Might make you feel better. 979 00:55:00,381 --> 00:55:03,049 Oh. (LAUGHS) It's not recording, just on standby. 980 00:55:03,134 --> 00:55:04,468 Okay. (LAUGHS) 981 00:55:06,804 --> 00:55:10,474 When did this start for you? Not wanting your photo taken? 982 00:55:10,766 --> 00:55:13,143 Uh, probably in Japan. (EXHALES DEEPLY) 983 00:55:13,227 --> 00:55:15,729 I remember every time a camera got pointed at me, 984 00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:18,148 it was like... Couldn't breathe. 985 00:55:19,150 --> 00:55:20,609 Why was that? 986 00:55:21,068 --> 00:55:25,447 I probably, uh, spent too much time looking at other people through cameras. 987 00:55:26,574 --> 00:55:28,867 Japan was your first NSA job, right? 988 00:55:28,951 --> 00:55:33,914 Yeah, well, as a contractor with Dell. Had a lot of access. 989 00:55:34,415 --> 00:55:36,416 LAURA: Why'd you go back after Geneva? 990 00:55:39,504 --> 00:55:43,173 'Cause the money, and 'cause I wanted to live in Japan. 991 00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:45,008 And because of Obama, actually. 992 00:55:45,092 --> 00:55:47,719 You know, I thought things were gonna get better with him. 993 00:55:51,098 --> 00:55:52,474 I was wrong. 994 00:55:55,811 --> 00:55:57,938 (INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER PA) 995 00:55:58,022 --> 00:55:59,189 LAURA: What was it like there? 996 00:56:00,274 --> 00:56:02,234 SNOWDEN: Well, in the first part of my day, 997 00:56:02,318 --> 00:56:06,530 I was building this round-the-clock backup system called Epic Shelter. 998 00:56:06,614 --> 00:56:09,115 So, if there was some catastrophe, 999 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,077 say, uh, terrorists burned down every embassy 1000 00:56:12,161 --> 00:56:14,704 and NSA post in the Middle East. 1001 00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:19,459 This program would ensure we wouldn't lose any of that data. 1002 00:56:19,794 --> 00:56:23,547 But then, I would have to put it aside when visitors would show up. 1003 00:56:23,631 --> 00:56:24,631 Hi, Ed. 1004 00:56:24,715 --> 00:56:29,511 SNOWDEN: NSA wanted to impress the Japanese, show them our reach. 1005 00:56:30,471 --> 00:56:33,223 They loved the live drone feeds. 1006 00:56:33,307 --> 00:56:35,475 This is over Pakistan. 1007 00:56:36,394 --> 00:56:37,727 Right now. 1008 00:56:38,312 --> 00:56:40,063 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1009 00:56:40,481 --> 00:56:43,984 SNOWDEN: They were not as thrilled to learn that we wanted them to help us 1010 00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:46,194 spy on the Japanese population. 1011 00:56:47,321 --> 00:56:50,073 They said it was against their laws. 1012 00:56:51,242 --> 00:56:53,410 Course we tapped the entire country anyway. 1013 00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:56,329 And we didn't stop there, 1014 00:56:56,414 --> 00:56:58,540 'cause once we owned their communications systems, 1015 00:56:58,624 --> 00:57:01,543 we started going after their physical infrastructure. 1016 00:57:01,627 --> 00:57:05,922 We'd slip these little sleeper programs into power grids, 1017 00:57:06,007 --> 00:57:07,966 dams, hospitals, 1018 00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:10,135 and the idea was if the day came 1019 00:57:10,219 --> 00:57:12,596 when Japan was no longer an ally, 1020 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,014 it'd be lights out. 1021 00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:15,932 (POWERING DOWN) 1022 00:57:17,184 --> 00:57:18,476 And it wasn't just the Japanese. 1023 00:57:18,561 --> 00:57:22,063 We were planting malware in Mexico, Germany, 1024 00:57:22,148 --> 00:57:23,857 Brazil, Austria. 1025 00:57:25,401 --> 00:57:28,903 I mean, China I can understand, or Russia, or Iran, 1026 00:57:28,988 --> 00:57:31,698 or Venezuela, okay. But Austria? 1027 00:57:31,782 --> 00:57:32,991 (COWBELL DINGS) 1028 00:57:33,451 --> 00:57:36,494 You're also being ordered to follow most world leaders 1029 00:57:36,579 --> 00:57:38,163 and heads of industry. 1030 00:57:38,247 --> 00:57:41,541 You know, you're tracking trade deals, sex scandals, 1031 00:57:41,876 --> 00:57:44,544 diplomatic cables to give the U.S. 1032 00:57:44,629 --> 00:57:47,130 an advantage in negotiations at the G8, 1033 00:57:47,214 --> 00:57:50,800 or leverage over Brazilian oil companies, 1034 00:57:50,885 --> 00:57:55,055 or helping to oust some third-world leader who's not playing ball. 1035 00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:58,642 And ultimately, the truth sinks in 1036 00:57:58,726 --> 00:58:01,561 that no matter what justification you're selling yourself, 1037 00:58:01,646 --> 00:58:03,938 this is not about terrorism. 1038 00:58:05,483 --> 00:58:07,275 Terrorism is the excuse. 1039 00:58:10,237 --> 00:58:14,949 This is about economic and social control. 1040 00:58:16,577 --> 00:58:19,079 And the only thing you're really protecting 1041 00:58:19,163 --> 00:58:21,539 is the supremacy of your government. 1042 00:58:30,841 --> 00:58:34,010 LAURA: Were you thinking about going to journalists then? 1043 00:58:34,095 --> 00:58:37,055 No. No, that wouldn't have occurred to me back then. 1044 00:58:38,641 --> 00:58:42,686 I just thought, you know, the system will self-correct, 1045 00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:46,272 and the President will keep his promise that got him elected... 1046 00:58:48,442 --> 00:58:52,195 That's actually when I first started reading about you and your films. 1047 00:58:52,279 --> 00:58:53,363 It was in Glenn's blog. 1048 00:58:53,447 --> 00:58:56,533 You were being detained in airports for hours. 1049 00:58:56,617 --> 00:59:00,453 Thirty-seven times. For investigating your own country's wars. 1050 00:59:00,621 --> 00:59:05,125 (SIGHS) That's why I'm going back to Berlin to edit. You can trust me with this. 1051 00:59:05,626 --> 00:59:07,794 I do. Yeah. 1052 00:59:08,963 --> 00:59:12,716 I haven't trusted anyone in years. 1053 00:59:15,970 --> 00:59:21,558 It was a welcome change when they put me on terrorism watch duty. 1054 00:59:22,226 --> 00:59:25,937 Every day, I'd go in and I'd get starting points for SIGINT, 1055 00:59:26,021 --> 00:59:28,648 which is signals intelligence. (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 1056 00:59:30,151 --> 00:59:33,903 A lot of them were American, which felt strange, 1057 00:59:33,988 --> 00:59:35,822 but you just keep reminding yourself, 1058 00:59:35,906 --> 00:59:39,909 I could stop a dirty bomb attack and save thousands of lives. 1059 00:59:40,578 --> 00:59:43,955 The thing is, you're not just following your bad guy targets. 1060 00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:46,583 You're also following their metadata, 1061 00:59:46,667 --> 00:59:50,670 which is basically all the phone numbers that they're in touch with. 1062 00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:55,300 Let's say your target is a shady Iranian banker 1063 00:59:55,384 --> 00:59:57,927 operating out of Beirut, okay. 1064 00:59:58,012 --> 01:00:00,430 So you're watching his stuff, but you're also watching 1065 01:00:00,514 --> 01:00:02,974 all the people that he talks to. 1066 01:00:03,058 --> 01:00:05,643 Including, you know, his cousin, 1067 01:00:05,728 --> 01:00:08,271 who's just some dentist living in Buffalo. 1068 01:00:08,355 --> 01:00:11,149 And then you have to watch all of that guy's contacts. 1069 01:00:11,233 --> 01:00:14,611 And by the time you go a third hop out from the original target, 1070 01:00:14,695 --> 01:00:20,200 you're watching this bartender chat with her mother about Botox. 1071 01:00:20,284 --> 01:00:25,288 'Cause three hops from anyone with, say, 40 contacts, 1072 01:00:25,372 --> 01:00:27,999 you're looking at a list of 2.5 million people. 1073 01:00:30,544 --> 01:00:32,670 And there's that moment when 1074 01:00:32,755 --> 01:00:36,341 you're sitting there and the scale of it hits you. 1075 01:00:36,425 --> 01:00:41,137 The NSA is really tracking every cell phone in the world. 1076 01:00:41,222 --> 01:00:43,056 No matter who you are, 1077 01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:45,809 every day of your life, you're sitting in a database 1078 01:00:45,893 --> 01:00:48,478 just ready to be looked at. 1079 01:00:48,562 --> 01:00:50,271 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1080 01:00:59,031 --> 01:01:04,661 SNOWDEN: And notjust terrorists, or countries, or corporations, but you. 1081 01:01:13,254 --> 01:01:15,296 Was Lindsay with you in Japan? 1082 01:01:17,091 --> 01:01:20,677 Japan was difficult for us. 1083 01:01:23,681 --> 01:01:25,640 I guess you couldn't talk about your work. 1084 01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:27,308 No. (LAUGHS) 1085 01:01:28,853 --> 01:01:32,564 There was this one night, uh, towards the end, 1086 01:01:34,275 --> 01:01:37,151 when, uh, we were supposed to go climb Mount Fuji the next day... 1087 01:01:41,282 --> 01:01:43,074 (SONG PLAYING) 1088 01:01:44,493 --> 01:01:45,493 Wow! 1089 01:01:47,413 --> 01:01:49,873 Are you gonna post that on Twitter? 1090 01:01:49,957 --> 01:01:50,957 No. 1091 01:01:51,292 --> 01:01:53,710 They're just for me. What do you think? 1092 01:01:56,338 --> 01:01:58,256 You should delete those. 1093 01:01:58,424 --> 01:02:01,092 That's not quite the artistic critique I was going for. 1094 01:02:01,343 --> 01:02:03,052 I'm sorry. You just... You should... 1095 01:02:03,137 --> 01:02:04,929 You can't have stuff like that on your hard drive. 1096 01:02:05,014 --> 01:02:06,055 LINDSAY: Yes, I can. 1097 01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:10,059 Can you just please... I'm asking you, can you delete them? 1098 01:02:10,853 --> 01:02:12,145 Russian hackers again? 1099 01:02:12,229 --> 01:02:13,271 No... 1100 01:02:15,858 --> 01:02:17,150 Is it us? 1101 01:02:19,945 --> 01:02:21,070 It's classified. 1102 01:02:22,656 --> 01:02:23,865 Am I a target? 1103 01:02:23,949 --> 01:02:25,199 Of course not. 1104 01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:28,745 Clearly someone is looking at my nude portraits. 1105 01:02:28,829 --> 01:02:30,705 Okay. I shouldn't have brought it up. 1106 01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:33,124 All right? It's issues of national security. 1107 01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:37,378 Well, I am flattered that my boobs 1108 01:02:37,463 --> 01:02:39,339 are considered an issue of national security, 1109 01:02:39,423 --> 01:02:41,132 but you're gonna have to do a lot better than that. 1110 01:02:41,216 --> 01:02:43,676 I'd rather not talk about stuff that could land us in jail. 1111 01:02:43,761 --> 01:02:45,511 LINDSAY: So that's what the Band-Aids are about, then? 1112 01:02:45,596 --> 01:02:47,430 And your camera phobia? 1113 01:02:47,514 --> 01:02:48,723 Because of work? 1114 01:02:49,683 --> 01:02:51,100 Are they watching us? 1115 01:02:51,852 --> 01:02:53,478 Who are they watching? No one, okay? 1116 01:02:53,562 --> 01:02:55,188 Let's just stop talking about it. 1117 01:02:56,398 --> 01:02:59,943 Let's go to bed, and wake up in the morning, 1118 01:03:01,362 --> 01:03:03,655 and go climb this fucking mountain. All right? 1119 01:03:04,698 --> 01:03:06,074 Of course we're not gonna talk about it. 1120 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,492 What is that supposed to mean? 1121 01:03:07,576 --> 01:03:10,036 It means that we don't talk about anything anymore. 1122 01:03:10,746 --> 01:03:13,373 You work 12-hour days, you come home depressed, 1123 01:03:13,457 --> 01:03:15,792 you play fucking video games, and then you fall asleep. 1124 01:03:15,876 --> 01:03:17,543 Yeah, I'm tired 'cause I have a job. 1125 01:03:17,628 --> 01:03:19,045 That's what pays for this apartment 1126 01:03:19,129 --> 01:03:20,838 in the most expensive city in the world. 1127 01:03:20,923 --> 01:03:24,175 Which you asked me to come to knowing that I did not have a work visa. 1128 01:03:24,259 --> 01:03:25,468 Okay, what if you had one? 1129 01:03:25,552 --> 01:03:29,097 Would you really give up your beautiful life of eating and sleeping 1130 01:03:29,181 --> 01:03:31,724 and going out all the time? You think you'd really want a career? 1131 01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:35,144 A career like yours? Where I'm miserable all the time? No. 1132 01:03:35,229 --> 01:03:37,397 That's called responsibility. 1133 01:03:38,065 --> 01:03:40,149 (CHUCKLES) Fuck this. 1134 01:03:40,234 --> 01:03:42,068 You know what? You have no fucking idea 1135 01:03:42,152 --> 01:03:44,821 what it's like to be accountable for other people's lives, 1136 01:03:44,905 --> 01:03:46,990 because you live in a fairy tale land 1137 01:03:47,074 --> 01:03:48,992 where just there are no consequences, 1138 01:03:49,076 --> 01:03:50,660 and no one ever gets hurt. 1139 01:03:51,537 --> 01:03:52,912 (SIGHS) 1140 01:03:53,664 --> 01:03:58,084 (VOICE BREAKING) No. No, you, you don't get hurt. 1141 01:03:59,586 --> 01:04:00,920 (SOBS) I get fucking crushed. 1142 01:04:01,046 --> 01:04:02,839 Fucking bullshit! I've done nothing to you! 1143 01:04:02,923 --> 01:04:04,882 That's exactly right. You have done nothing! 1144 01:04:05,926 --> 01:04:08,011 You don't hang out with me, you don't laugh with me, 1145 01:04:08,095 --> 01:04:10,930 you don't even fucking touch me anymore. 1146 01:04:13,142 --> 01:04:14,392 I'm sorry. Stop! 1147 01:04:14,977 --> 01:04:16,644 No! (SOBS) 1148 01:04:29,742 --> 01:04:32,118 We, uh, never made it to Mount Fuji. (LAUGHS SOFTLY) 1149 01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:37,290 And Lindsay left pretty soon after that, and... 1150 01:04:38,959 --> 01:04:40,501 I was really lonely there. 1151 01:04:42,129 --> 01:04:44,213 But after three months, I left too. I went back to Maryland. 1152 01:04:45,716 --> 01:04:47,216 (DOORBELL RINGING) 1153 01:05:08,530 --> 01:05:09,655 (CHUCKLES) 1154 01:05:12,659 --> 01:05:14,243 And I promised her I'd change. 1155 01:05:15,245 --> 01:05:17,080 And, uh, we moved back in together. 1156 01:05:17,164 --> 01:05:18,498 (PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) Make sure your knees stay bent, 1157 01:05:18,582 --> 01:05:21,501 and then you can fully extend once you feel stable. Ready? 1158 01:05:21,585 --> 01:05:23,628 One, two, three. 1159 01:05:24,338 --> 01:05:25,338 All the way up. 1160 01:05:25,422 --> 01:05:26,923 Now you wanna clench between your knees. 1161 01:05:27,007 --> 01:05:29,425 It'll burn, but it's a good burn. 1162 01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:30,468 Perfect. 1163 01:05:30,552 --> 01:05:32,011 Twirl around. 1164 01:05:33,597 --> 01:05:35,848 (CLAPPING) Perfect! Oh, my God, I'm so proud of you! 1165 01:05:35,933 --> 01:05:37,767 SNOWDEN: When you're really happy, 1166 01:05:37,851 --> 01:05:41,187 there's a large part of you that just wants to stay happy. 1167 01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:48,528 And you start to think, what could be more important than this? 1168 01:05:49,696 --> 01:05:51,197 What! Is it okay? 1169 01:05:51,907 --> 01:05:54,033 Oh, my God. It's so beautiful. 1170 01:05:55,577 --> 01:05:59,622 SNOWDEN: You know, lots of people cruise happily through life. 1171 01:06:01,250 --> 01:06:02,708 Why can't I? (CAMERA CLICKING) 1172 01:06:11,718 --> 01:06:13,261 And I went back to work at the CIA. 1173 01:06:13,428 --> 01:06:15,054 With backdoors... 1174 01:06:15,139 --> 01:06:17,890 My official title was Solutions Consultant. 1175 01:06:18,851 --> 01:06:22,019 Basically I was hawking overpriced hardware for a living. 1176 01:06:22,104 --> 01:06:23,813 But I thought you had resigned? 1177 01:06:23,897 --> 01:06:26,357 Yeah, well, it was all contract work after Geneva. 1178 01:06:26,441 --> 01:06:28,693 You know, it's Booz Allen Hamilton, 1179 01:06:28,777 --> 01:06:30,862 or Dell, in partnership 1180 01:06:30,946 --> 01:06:33,990 with CIA or NSA, DIA. 1181 01:06:34,575 --> 01:06:38,619 That's the intelligence community's revolving door. 1182 01:06:40,164 --> 01:06:42,623 How was it? Being back in the States? 1183 01:06:43,125 --> 01:06:46,669 It was, uh, it was really good to be home. 1184 01:06:49,006 --> 01:06:53,134 But Maryland was where things started to turn for me. 1185 01:06:53,886 --> 01:06:58,556 Every time I felt like I was finally letting go of all the anxiety 1186 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,225 and all the questions that used to keep me up at night, 1187 01:07:01,310 --> 01:07:05,229 I'd learn something else, and I just couldn't ignore it. 1188 01:07:05,439 --> 01:07:09,233 Like, there were these three high-level officials at the NSA, 1189 01:07:09,318 --> 01:07:12,028 Bill Binney, Ed Loomis, and Kirk Wiebe. 1190 01:07:12,112 --> 01:07:16,324 They'd been filing complaints about abuse and overreach for years. 1191 01:07:16,408 --> 01:07:20,203 That's all they did, they just filed complaints, 1192 01:07:20,287 --> 01:07:23,456 and the FBl raided their homes. 1193 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:25,082 Then there was Thomas Drake. 1194 01:07:25,167 --> 01:07:27,126 Like the other three guys, Drake was trying 1195 01:07:27,211 --> 01:07:29,462 to change things from the inside. 1196 01:07:29,546 --> 01:07:31,964 But when nothing worked, he did go to the press. 1197 01:07:32,049 --> 01:07:35,968 So they hit him with the Espionage Act, and we were shocked. 1198 01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:37,970 The whole intel community. 1199 01:07:38,055 --> 01:07:39,347 SCOTT: (ON VIDEO) Why do you think you were charged? 1200 01:07:39,431 --> 01:07:40,973 To send a chilling message. 1201 01:07:41,350 --> 01:07:42,350 To whom? 1202 01:07:42,434 --> 01:07:45,019 To other whistleblowers, to others in the government, 1203 01:07:45,103 --> 01:07:47,188 not to speak out. 1204 01:07:47,272 --> 01:07:51,317 Do not tell truth to power. We'll hammer you. 1205 01:07:52,903 --> 01:07:55,571 O'BRIAN: There's a new program being developed 1206 01:07:55,656 --> 01:07:57,990 at the NSA's op center on Oahu. 1207 01:07:58,992 --> 01:08:02,578 You'd be going up against Chinese cyber divisions. 1208 01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:04,997 You interested? 1209 01:08:07,626 --> 01:08:10,920 Won't be the vast sums of money you're making now, 1210 01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:13,464 but you'd be performing a critical service for your country. 1211 01:08:13,548 --> 01:08:14,882 I know that's important to you. 1212 01:08:14,967 --> 01:08:17,260 You mean service like in Geneva? 1213 01:08:17,344 --> 01:08:20,179 Matt was a mistake. Shouldn't have pushed you into that. 1214 01:08:20,264 --> 01:08:21,305 You didn't push me into it. 1215 01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:23,516 I asked for exposure to field ops, you gave it to me. 1216 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,309 I won't hold that against you. 1217 01:08:27,354 --> 01:08:29,855 Is there something you do hold against me? 1218 01:08:33,902 --> 01:08:35,194 You didn't tell me we were running 1219 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,530 a dragnet on the whole world, Corbin. 1220 01:08:40,701 --> 01:08:42,493 (DOG BARKING) 1221 01:08:49,042 --> 01:08:51,210 (GUNSHOTS) 1222 01:09:01,179 --> 01:09:02,388 Great shooting, Ed. 1223 01:09:02,472 --> 01:09:03,806 Thank you. 1224 01:09:04,266 --> 01:09:05,850 That's terrific. 1225 01:09:06,393 --> 01:09:08,728 (LAUGHS) It's the one thing in the Army I was good at. 1226 01:09:14,735 --> 01:09:16,444 O'BRIAN: You ever think, Ed, 1227 01:09:16,528 --> 01:09:21,365 since the Second World War, it's been 60 years and still no WW III. 1228 01:09:22,284 --> 01:09:23,409 Why? 1229 01:09:24,411 --> 01:09:28,331 Because we've used our power generally for the good of the world. 1230 01:09:29,041 --> 01:09:31,917 For prosperity, order. 1231 01:09:32,169 --> 01:09:33,878 How can we defend ourselves against 1232 01:09:33,962 --> 01:09:37,173 nuclear war, terror attacks, cyber-attacks 1233 01:09:37,257 --> 01:09:39,633 without a centralized intel factory 1234 01:09:39,718 --> 01:09:41,594 working around the world night and day? 1235 01:09:42,387 --> 01:09:45,222 So we should catalogue billions of people's lives? 1236 01:09:45,307 --> 01:09:48,684 O'BRIAN: Most people already catalogue their lives for public consumption. 1237 01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:51,937 Well, they catalogue part of their lives, and they do it by choice. 1238 01:09:52,022 --> 01:09:54,440 We're not giving them the choice. We're just taking everything. 1239 01:09:54,524 --> 01:09:58,277 Most Americans don't want freedom, they want security. 1240 01:09:59,112 --> 01:10:00,696 It's a simple bargain. If... 1241 01:10:00,781 --> 01:10:02,740 Good girl! Good girl! (GROWLS) 1242 01:10:03,617 --> 01:10:05,368 If you want to play with all the new toys 1243 01:10:05,452 --> 01:10:08,412 and be safe, you pay the price of admission. 1244 01:10:09,998 --> 01:10:12,625 Yeah, except people, 1245 01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:14,460 they don't even know they've made that bargain. 1246 01:10:14,544 --> 01:10:16,796 Where's the modern battlefield, soldier? 1247 01:10:18,632 --> 01:10:19,632 Everywhere. 1248 01:10:19,966 --> 01:10:22,343 (MAN SHOUTING) O'BRIAN: What's the first rule of battle? 1249 01:10:22,511 --> 01:10:24,136 Never reveal your position. 1250 01:10:25,097 --> 01:10:29,892 And if one unauthorized person knew? If Congress knew? 1251 01:10:29,976 --> 01:10:31,727 So would the enemy. 1252 01:10:31,812 --> 01:10:35,856 That, Mr. Snowden, is the state of the world. 1253 01:10:35,941 --> 01:10:39,610 Secrecy is security, and security is victory. 1254 01:10:40,112 --> 01:10:42,446 (PEOPLE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY IN THE DISTANCE) 1255 01:10:43,698 --> 01:10:45,157 (DOG BARKS) 1256 01:10:47,327 --> 01:10:48,869 Thank you, sir. 1257 01:10:50,497 --> 01:10:51,705 Someone I want you to meet. 1258 01:10:51,790 --> 01:10:53,749 MAN: Beautiful day for it, wasn't it? Perfect weather. 1259 01:10:53,834 --> 01:10:56,335 Mr. Lowell. Jim. 1260 01:10:56,795 --> 01:10:58,754 How are you? Dorian. 1261 01:10:58,839 --> 01:11:00,214 Alan. Nice to see you. 1262 01:11:00,298 --> 01:11:01,382 O'BRIAN: Welcome to the U.S. 1263 01:11:01,466 --> 01:11:03,050 How'd you make out today, Corbin? 1264 01:11:03,176 --> 01:11:05,970 Uh, very mediocre. Nothing like Ed here. 1265 01:11:06,555 --> 01:11:09,390 Apparently the Army's training people to shoot straight. 1266 01:11:09,474 --> 01:11:11,267 So this is Ed Snowden. 1267 01:11:11,351 --> 01:11:12,560 Yes, sir. Pleasure to meet you. 1268 01:11:12,686 --> 01:11:15,062 The brains behind Epic Shelter. That's right. 1269 01:11:15,147 --> 01:11:16,439 That's brilliant work. Thank you, sir. 1270 01:11:16,523 --> 01:11:17,940 Yeah, I had a few questions I wanted to ask you. 1271 01:11:18,024 --> 01:11:20,860 Uh, Jim. Will you excuse me, gentlemen? 1272 01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:22,736 Excuse me, Alan. Nice to meet you. 1273 01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:27,992 Yeah, it's proving very useful to our UAV program. 1274 01:11:28,076 --> 01:11:31,287 Yes, I heard. With foreign site intel transfer. 1275 01:11:31,371 --> 01:11:32,955 Transfers happen on collection now. 1276 01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:36,375 They go straight to the Pentagon, Mossad if they need it. 1277 01:11:36,501 --> 01:11:39,211 Actionable immediately. No one sees it. 1278 01:11:39,379 --> 01:11:40,629 It's improved the response time 1279 01:11:40,714 --> 01:11:42,590 of our drone pilots by a factor of ten. 1280 01:11:43,216 --> 01:11:46,635 Tell me, Ed. You worked signals intelligence in Japan too, yes? 1281 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:47,803 Yes, sir. 1282 01:11:47,888 --> 01:11:49,638 How'd you like it? 1283 01:11:49,723 --> 01:11:53,225 It was a very empowering job, sir. (LAUGHS) 1284 01:11:53,351 --> 01:11:57,521 With this new job in Hawaii, you'd have even more access. 1285 01:11:57,606 --> 01:12:01,734 I asked Corbin to start the conversation. But the offer is mine. 1286 01:12:03,778 --> 01:12:05,362 Take your time. 1287 01:12:05,447 --> 01:12:06,572 It's going to take a few months 1288 01:12:06,656 --> 01:12:08,949 to get this program on its feet. 1289 01:12:09,034 --> 01:12:11,660 If you'll excuse me, gentlemen, I see dinner. 1290 01:12:12,787 --> 01:12:14,580 ATTENDANT: Beer, sir? Thank you. 1291 01:12:15,290 --> 01:12:17,082 Sir, for you? Uh, no, thank you. 1292 01:12:22,756 --> 01:12:24,798 Epic Shelter was meant as a backup program. 1293 01:12:26,092 --> 01:12:29,512 Lowell is creating this position for you, Ed. 1294 01:12:29,596 --> 01:12:32,181 You'd be the first contractor outside Fort Meade 1295 01:12:32,265 --> 01:12:33,933 working counter-cyber. 1296 01:12:35,101 --> 01:12:37,186 It's your ticket to the top. 1297 01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:45,986 (MEAT SIZZLING) 1298 01:12:48,281 --> 01:12:49,949 POLYGRAPH ADMINISTRATOR: Do you believe the United States 1299 01:12:50,033 --> 01:12:51,992 is the greatest country in the world? 1300 01:12:52,077 --> 01:12:53,702 Yes. (BEEPING) 1301 01:12:55,247 --> 01:12:56,247 POLYGRAPH ADMINISTRATOR: Have you ever used 1302 01:12:56,331 --> 01:12:58,999 any programs you were unauthorized for? 1303 01:13:04,965 --> 01:13:06,006 SNOWDEN: No. 1304 01:13:06,466 --> 01:13:07,466 (BEEPS) 1305 01:13:18,436 --> 01:13:21,188 LINDSAY: We're not usually supposed to submit our own work, 1306 01:13:21,273 --> 01:13:24,567 but my editor said she'd make an exception. 1307 01:13:24,651 --> 01:13:25,693 Pretty neat, huh? 1308 01:13:30,991 --> 01:13:33,158 (GRUNTS) I get to submit an entry. 1309 01:13:36,371 --> 01:13:38,956 You ignoring me on purpose, or what? 1310 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,542 No. Sorry. Shit. Uh... 1311 01:13:42,002 --> 01:13:44,378 (SIGHS) I was just thinking. 1312 01:13:44,462 --> 01:13:45,671 About what? 1313 01:13:50,969 --> 01:13:53,345 I wanted to talk to you about it at dinner, 1314 01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:55,681 but let's just... Will you come sit down? 1315 01:13:57,142 --> 01:13:59,226 Is everything okay? 1316 01:13:59,311 --> 01:14:00,519 Yeah. 1317 01:14:01,563 --> 01:14:02,813 Um... 1318 01:14:03,565 --> 01:14:07,526 The, uh, Deputy Director of the NSA... 1319 01:14:07,611 --> 01:14:09,069 Hmm? (INHALES DEEPLY) 1320 01:14:09,237 --> 01:14:11,405 He offered me a new position. 1321 01:14:11,573 --> 01:14:14,533 And, uh, that was a while back, and now they need an answer. 1322 01:14:15,785 --> 01:14:17,870 Well, is it something you want to do? 1323 01:14:19,289 --> 01:14:21,081 I'd be good at it. 1324 01:14:23,043 --> 01:14:25,502 Can you tell me anything about it? (LAUGHING) 1325 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:27,546 (LAUGHS) You know I can't. 1326 01:14:27,631 --> 01:14:30,466 I know. Mission first. 1327 01:14:31,134 --> 01:14:32,468 (INHALES DEEPLY) 1328 01:14:32,636 --> 01:14:35,220 Well, are there social perks? White House galas, maybe? 1329 01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:39,433 The position is in Hawaii. 1330 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,277 We worked really hard to get where we're at. 1331 01:14:51,738 --> 01:14:54,948 And you're willing to just rip it all up again? 1332 01:14:55,033 --> 01:14:56,909 Like we finally have a house that we love, 1333 01:14:56,993 --> 01:14:58,827 and a job that I like, and real friends, 1334 01:14:58,912 --> 01:15:00,913 and we're close to our families. I... I understand. 1335 01:15:00,997 --> 01:15:03,874 And if you want to stay, then we're staying. 1336 01:15:04,417 --> 01:15:05,501 That's it. 1337 01:15:06,836 --> 01:15:08,337 Don't just say that 'cause I wanna hear it. 1338 01:15:08,421 --> 01:15:09,421 I'm not. 1339 01:15:13,718 --> 01:15:16,095 I let you go once, I'm not gonna do it again. 1340 01:15:21,476 --> 01:15:22,976 (LID RATTLING) 1341 01:15:23,895 --> 01:15:25,813 Shit. I'm sorry. The pasta. 1342 01:15:25,939 --> 01:15:27,481 It's gonna... One sec. (LINDSAY CHUCKLES) 1343 01:15:38,868 --> 01:15:40,327 You know, I think I actually came pretty close 1344 01:15:40,412 --> 01:15:42,454 to getting it right this time. 1345 01:15:42,914 --> 01:15:44,289 LINDSAY: I'll get some candles. 1346 01:16:23,329 --> 01:16:26,165 (VOICE ECHOING) Oh, my God! Ed! Ed! Ed! 1347 01:16:30,086 --> 01:16:31,336 (INAUDIBLE) 1348 01:16:43,183 --> 01:16:44,725 SNOWDEN: I know Tegretol. 1349 01:16:45,852 --> 01:16:47,895 I know it slows you down, 'cause I've seen it in my mom. 1350 01:16:47,979 --> 01:16:50,689 She's taken all kinds of medications her whole life. 1351 01:16:51,191 --> 01:16:53,734 Well, they work in 70*% of cases. 1352 01:16:56,196 --> 01:16:59,448 Ed, epilepsy is a serious condition. 1353 01:16:59,532 --> 01:17:02,451 If you have a seizure driving yourself, 1354 01:17:02,535 --> 01:17:04,620 or with someone else in the car, 1355 01:17:04,704 --> 01:17:08,123 or you're in a place where you could fall, 1356 01:17:08,208 --> 01:17:10,709 this is not something to be lightly regarded. 1357 01:17:10,794 --> 01:17:13,545 It's essential you commit yourself to this medication. 1358 01:17:16,049 --> 01:17:17,299 Okay? 1359 01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:20,344 Yeah. 1360 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,100 After you. Oh, thank you. 1361 01:17:27,227 --> 01:17:28,477 (BOTH LAUGHING) 1362 01:17:31,481 --> 01:17:34,316 I've been thinking about what the doctor said. 1363 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,901 About less stress. 1364 01:17:38,613 --> 01:17:40,572 A warmer climate could help. 1365 01:17:43,409 --> 01:17:44,910 (INHALES DEEPLY) 1366 01:17:45,245 --> 01:17:47,913 If Hawaii is something that we decide 1367 01:17:47,997 --> 01:17:51,208 would be better for you, I'll go. 1368 01:18:08,768 --> 01:18:11,353 EWEN: Janine, how'd the White House conversation go? 1369 01:18:11,437 --> 01:18:12,437 JANINE: (OVER PHONE) I made it quite clear 1370 01:18:12,522 --> 01:18:15,440 that we were in possession of an authentic FISA court order. 1371 01:18:15,525 --> 01:18:17,985 They wanted to see it. We refused. 1372 01:18:18,069 --> 01:18:20,445 Now I just pray that it's actually authentic. 1373 01:18:21,948 --> 01:18:23,699 Are you actually questioning that? 1374 01:18:23,783 --> 01:18:26,618 Glenn, no one has ever seen a FISA court order. 1375 01:18:26,703 --> 01:18:28,370 There's no precedent here. 1376 01:18:28,454 --> 01:18:31,415 Our source risked his life for that document. It's real. 1377 01:18:32,083 --> 01:18:35,669 Tell us, did the White House make any specific claims 1378 01:18:35,753 --> 01:18:39,131 about national security that would prevent you from publishing? 1379 01:18:39,799 --> 01:18:45,012 No. I asked them repeatedly, and they had no substantive answer. 1380 01:18:45,096 --> 01:18:46,388 Then, there you go! What more do you want? 1381 01:18:46,472 --> 01:18:48,223 You can go out and know that you're safe. 1382 01:18:48,308 --> 01:18:52,311 Glenn, I'd like to talk to Alan before we go any further. 1383 01:18:52,395 --> 01:18:53,437 EWEN: When does he land? 1384 01:18:53,521 --> 01:18:54,730 STUART: (OVER COMPUTER) In six hours. 1385 01:18:54,814 --> 01:18:57,816 No. Absolutely not! We're sitting ducks here, Janine. 1386 01:18:58,318 --> 01:18:59,651 It's 1:00 p. m. in New York. 1387 01:18:59,736 --> 01:19:01,403 If you don't get this out in the next four hours, 1388 01:19:01,487 --> 01:19:03,238 you'll miss the evening news on the East Coast. 1389 01:19:03,323 --> 01:19:05,782 But we can post later tonight. 1390 01:19:07,327 --> 01:19:08,285 I'm sorry, Glenn. 1391 01:19:08,369 --> 01:19:10,579 But Alan's our editor-in-chief, and I really think that... 1392 01:19:10,663 --> 01:19:13,498 Bullshit! The government knows that we have these documents now. 1393 01:19:13,583 --> 01:19:16,919 The CIA could barge through this door any minute, and you want more time! 1394 01:19:17,962 --> 01:19:20,839 Act like a fucking journalist and stop stringing us along! 1395 01:19:20,924 --> 01:19:24,092 I just stood my ground with the goddamn White House! 1396 01:19:24,177 --> 01:19:25,427 I've risked my career! 1397 01:19:25,511 --> 01:19:27,429 How dare you question my commitment to this story! 1398 01:19:27,513 --> 01:19:28,889 Okay, let's just keep our voices down... 1399 01:19:28,973 --> 01:19:30,098 No, you're right. I am questioning it. 1400 01:19:30,183 --> 01:19:32,517 This is absolutely inappropriate. 1401 01:19:33,311 --> 01:19:35,354 We are publishing ourselves. You're out. 1402 01:19:36,022 --> 01:19:37,439 (SCOFFS) 1403 01:19:46,032 --> 01:19:47,115 All right, Glenn. 1404 01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,534 We'll have it ready by 4:00 p. m. 1405 01:19:50,203 --> 01:19:53,038 I have to go over the story once more. Why? 1406 01:19:53,206 --> 01:19:55,916 Because it still needs editing, damn you. 1407 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,919 All this fucking intelligence jargon is hurting our brains. 1408 01:19:59,003 --> 01:20:02,673 This PRISM story is still incomprehensible. 1409 01:20:02,757 --> 01:20:04,257 PRISM is the second story, Janine. 1410 01:20:04,342 --> 01:20:06,176 Verizon is the first story. 1411 01:20:06,260 --> 01:20:08,804 Have it ready to post by 4:00 p.m., 5:00 at the latest. 1412 01:20:08,888 --> 01:20:10,138 Ugh... 1413 01:20:10,348 --> 01:20:11,473 No games, or we're gone. 1414 01:20:16,187 --> 01:20:18,355 (HEAVY BREATHING) 1415 01:20:36,541 --> 01:20:39,334 SNOWDEN: So, my newjob was counter-spying 1416 01:20:39,419 --> 01:20:44,256 on the Chinese at the NSA Regional Cryptological Center on Oahu. 1417 01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:48,593 Hi. You mind placing your bag down there, sir? 1418 01:20:50,430 --> 01:20:53,432 No personal laptops, no USB sticks, no cell phones, 1419 01:20:53,516 --> 01:20:54,975 no electronic devices of any kind? 1420 01:20:55,059 --> 01:20:56,101 No, sir. 1421 01:20:58,688 --> 01:21:00,439 (WOMAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON PA) 1422 01:21:04,861 --> 01:21:05,902 GUARD: Thank you. 1423 01:21:10,116 --> 01:21:11,241 Thank you. 1424 01:21:15,621 --> 01:21:18,540 Snow White! Is that you? 1425 01:21:20,043 --> 01:21:21,001 Gabriel? 1426 01:21:21,127 --> 01:21:23,462 Dude, what the hell are you doing here? (CHUCKLES) Wow! 1427 01:21:23,546 --> 01:21:24,588 That's amazing. 1428 01:21:24,672 --> 01:21:25,714 Oh, man. 1429 01:21:25,965 --> 01:21:27,132 What, do you work here? 1430 01:21:27,216 --> 01:21:31,636 Yeah, yeah. Uh, three years, two months, and five days. 1431 01:21:32,972 --> 01:21:34,890 But who's counting, right? Yeah. 1432 01:21:34,974 --> 01:21:38,226 It's like who knew a secret underground World War II-era base 1433 01:21:38,311 --> 01:21:40,395 would become munchie heaven for a thousand geeks, right? 1434 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:41,980 So there's good pizza? Good pizza, yeah. 1435 01:21:42,065 --> 01:21:43,065 That's important. 1436 01:21:43,149 --> 01:21:44,733 Elevator's slow as shit, though. 1437 01:21:44,817 --> 01:21:45,776 Jesus. 1438 01:21:45,860 --> 01:21:47,069 GABRIEL: It's something else, huh? 1439 01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:52,282 Yeah. So, uh, what deck are you working on? 1440 01:21:52,366 --> 01:21:54,993 You NTOC or ROC? 1441 01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:00,916 Between you and me? NTOC. (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 1442 01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,501 Cool. You get to hack the hackers. 1443 01:22:02,585 --> 01:22:03,835 You're coming up in the world. 1444 01:22:08,174 --> 01:22:09,966 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1445 01:22:13,721 --> 01:22:16,223 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) Fresh brains for you, Trevor. 1446 01:22:16,307 --> 01:22:18,517 Trevor James, Interactive Ops Division Chief. 1447 01:22:18,601 --> 01:22:19,601 Ed Snowden. 1448 01:22:19,685 --> 01:22:22,187 I've been briefed. Next door is NTOC. 1449 01:22:23,106 --> 01:22:25,190 Defense. That's where you'll be working. 1450 01:22:26,150 --> 01:22:28,235 Over here we have ROC, our offense. 1451 01:22:29,028 --> 01:22:32,447 Now I move between the two. We run a tight ship here, Snowden. 1452 01:22:32,532 --> 01:22:33,865 Yes, sir. 1453 01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:35,200 You'll be working with Haynes. 1454 01:22:35,284 --> 01:22:36,701 Hey. Patrick Haynes. 1455 01:22:36,786 --> 01:22:38,120 Hey. Nice to meet you. Good to have you. 1456 01:22:38,204 --> 01:22:39,454 You watch out for him. 1457 01:22:39,539 --> 01:22:41,289 That's the smartest guy in the building right here. 1458 01:22:41,374 --> 01:22:42,374 (CHUCKLES) Come on. 1459 01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:43,959 Bro, how many languages you speak, again? 1460 01:22:44,043 --> 01:22:47,045 I mean, seven in code, six spoken, two signs. 1461 01:22:47,130 --> 01:22:48,130 That's cool. 1462 01:22:53,386 --> 01:22:56,221 Great. Another language I can't understand. 1463 01:22:56,305 --> 01:22:57,681 Uh, I'll check you later, Ed. 1464 01:22:57,765 --> 01:22:58,849 Okay. See you. 1465 01:23:03,229 --> 01:23:04,604 TREVOR: Wait for it. 1466 01:23:06,065 --> 01:23:08,233 Any moment. 1467 01:23:11,070 --> 01:23:12,028 TECHNICIAN: We got 'em. 1468 01:23:12,113 --> 01:23:13,405 TREVOR: Lights over Waziristan, gentlemen. 1469 01:23:14,031 --> 01:23:15,115 Way to go. 1470 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,909 So what exactly do we contribute to this? 1471 01:23:18,619 --> 01:23:19,619 The underside of that Reaper drone 1472 01:23:19,704 --> 01:23:21,496 is fixed with a big-ass antenna, 1473 01:23:21,581 --> 01:23:24,332 snarfing the hardware ID of anything that broadcasts. 1474 01:23:24,417 --> 01:23:26,668 We do the geolocator. 1475 01:23:26,752 --> 01:23:27,878 My friend Tasha here at the Air Force 1476 01:23:27,962 --> 01:23:29,588 rains hellfire. There she is now. 1477 01:23:29,922 --> 01:23:31,840 FEMALE DRONE PILOT: Hey, Trev. You likin' the show? 1478 01:23:32,383 --> 01:23:34,467 You know it. We track 'em, you whack 'em. 1479 01:23:34,635 --> 01:23:36,386 SNOWDEN: And who did we just track? 1480 01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:38,763 Not who, what. 1481 01:23:38,848 --> 01:23:42,017 We're targeting bad guys' cell phones. Sometimes the SIM card. 1482 01:23:42,101 --> 01:23:44,519 Okay, and how do we know the bad guy 1483 01:23:44,604 --> 01:23:46,188 is in possession of the bad cell phone 1484 01:23:46,272 --> 01:23:47,439 when we strike? 1485 01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:48,565 Well, we don't... 1486 01:23:48,691 --> 01:23:51,651 Course we do. JSOC and CIA have their people in the field. 1487 01:23:52,987 --> 01:23:54,487 What's the program name? 1488 01:23:55,364 --> 01:23:56,823 Epic Shelter. 1489 01:23:56,908 --> 01:24:00,076 It was originally some backup program for, um... 1490 01:24:01,412 --> 01:24:02,579 Catastrophic site failure. 1491 01:24:02,663 --> 01:24:04,623 Yeah. How did you know that? 1492 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,042 I built it. 1493 01:24:07,293 --> 01:24:08,460 You? Yeah. 1494 01:24:09,462 --> 01:24:11,296 You know I've actually... I've been thinking about, uh, 1495 01:24:11,380 --> 01:24:13,548 another use for Epic Shelter. 1496 01:24:13,633 --> 01:24:14,674 What'd you have in mind? 1497 01:24:15,551 --> 01:24:17,594 Well, I was chatting with Jim Lowell 1498 01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:18,678 about how there's so many programs... 1499 01:24:18,763 --> 01:24:19,804 Deputy Director Lowell? 1500 01:24:19,889 --> 01:24:22,057 Yeah. Yeah. 1501 01:24:22,141 --> 01:24:24,351 And we were saying there's so many programs nowadays, 1502 01:24:24,435 --> 01:24:26,478 it's kind of impossible to keep track of them anymore, right? 1503 01:24:26,562 --> 01:24:29,231 So why not create a centralized database. 1504 01:24:29,649 --> 01:24:31,066 Ah. Like an index. 1505 01:24:31,150 --> 01:24:33,485 Yeah, exactly. Something that updates in real time, 1506 01:24:33,569 --> 01:24:37,280 you know, we've already got Epic Shelter collecting our finished intel. 1507 01:24:37,365 --> 01:24:40,825 We just need a web portal to catalogue it, make it searchable. 1508 01:24:41,953 --> 01:24:43,370 Let me think about it. 1509 01:24:43,454 --> 01:24:45,455 In any case, I'd have to run it past Fort Meade. 1510 01:24:45,539 --> 01:24:46,539 SNOWDEN: Of course. 1511 01:24:46,624 --> 01:24:47,791 Did you have a name? 1512 01:24:48,626 --> 01:24:51,002 Yeah, if it's not taken, I'd call it Heartbeat. 1513 01:24:53,464 --> 01:24:56,216 Heartbeat. FEMALE DRONE PILOT: Six, five, four, 1514 01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:59,678 three, two, one... 1515 01:24:59,762 --> 01:25:01,096 Engage target. 1516 01:25:16,153 --> 01:25:17,612 LINDSAY: You okay down there? 1517 01:25:18,781 --> 01:25:19,823 Yep. 1518 01:25:20,616 --> 01:25:23,368 See, this is why I keep saying we need to hike more. 1519 01:25:24,370 --> 01:25:25,495 SNOWDEN: You're right. 1520 01:25:25,871 --> 01:25:27,038 Hey, can you look at me? 1521 01:25:27,123 --> 01:25:28,123 Oh! 1522 01:25:28,874 --> 01:25:31,376 LINDSAY: Come on. It's been years. (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 1523 01:25:31,460 --> 01:25:34,379 By social media standards, you don't even exist anymore. 1524 01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,047 Just one. 1525 01:25:37,842 --> 01:25:40,051 Okay, smile. Show me your teeth! (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 1526 01:25:41,846 --> 01:25:44,472 My elusive E, finally captured. 1527 01:25:44,557 --> 01:25:46,433 So now I'm a viable boyfriend? 1528 01:25:46,517 --> 01:25:47,726 Yes. (LAUGHS) 1529 01:25:50,313 --> 01:25:53,023 Such a shame, you used to be such a cute little model. 1530 01:25:53,107 --> 01:25:54,149 Little? Yeah. 1531 01:25:54,233 --> 01:25:56,359 Was I little? Wait! (LAUGHING) 1532 01:25:58,571 --> 01:25:59,904 Stop! 1533 01:26:01,741 --> 01:26:03,783 Oh, my God. What? 1534 01:26:03,909 --> 01:26:05,827 Think you got some sun! (CHUCKLES) 1535 01:26:05,911 --> 01:26:07,996 I'm serious, it looks good! 1536 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,456 Well, that's impossible. 1537 01:26:10,583 --> 01:26:14,210 Hey, um, I've been meaning to ask you, by the way. 1538 01:26:14,295 --> 01:26:15,587 Did you switch pharmacies? 1539 01:26:16,756 --> 01:26:20,050 'Cause I tried to pick up your prescription, 1540 01:26:21,594 --> 01:26:23,428 and I couldn't. 1541 01:26:23,512 --> 01:26:24,763 Why did you do that? 1542 01:26:27,224 --> 01:26:30,727 Uh, because I was there and thought it would be helpful. 1543 01:26:43,074 --> 01:26:44,991 I stopped taking the Tegretol. 1544 01:26:46,786 --> 01:26:49,454 What? When? 1545 01:26:49,538 --> 01:26:51,206 A couple months ago. 1546 01:26:51,290 --> 01:26:52,374 And you're just now telling me? 1547 01:26:52,458 --> 01:26:54,209 I wanted to tell you. 1548 01:26:54,293 --> 01:26:57,545 I did, I just... I can't take that stuff, it makes me groggy, 1549 01:26:57,630 --> 01:27:00,131 and I need to be sharp for work. 1550 01:27:00,216 --> 01:27:01,841 I need to be on the ball all the time. 1551 01:27:01,926 --> 01:27:03,051 What is it about this fucking job 1552 01:27:03,135 --> 01:27:05,595 that makes it more important than your life? 1553 01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:06,805 (SIGHS) 1554 01:27:07,139 --> 01:27:08,306 I don't understand. 1555 01:27:08,391 --> 01:27:09,724 Our government... 1556 01:27:12,395 --> 01:27:13,812 Our government, what? 1557 01:27:14,647 --> 01:27:18,108 Our government is hemorrhaging billions of dollars 1558 01:27:18,192 --> 01:27:20,735 every year to Chinese hackers. 1559 01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:23,321 And I've been hired to shut them down. 1560 01:27:24,990 --> 01:27:28,785 A lot of people are depending on me. 1561 01:27:29,995 --> 01:27:31,830 More so than anyone else? 1562 01:27:33,499 --> 01:27:34,499 Yes. 1563 01:27:37,461 --> 01:27:41,172 No, this is bullshit. 1564 01:27:44,593 --> 01:27:48,721 We didn't come to Hawaii for you to heal, did we? 1565 01:27:49,932 --> 01:27:52,183 There was never gonna be a less stressful job out here. 1566 01:27:52,268 --> 01:27:55,103 Look, I feel like I'm made to do this. 1567 01:27:55,187 --> 01:28:00,150 And if I don't do it, then I don't know anybody else that can. 1568 01:28:02,695 --> 01:28:07,532 It's like I'm on a trajectory that I can't turn back from. 1569 01:28:10,661 --> 01:28:12,162 LINDSAY: You can always turn back. 1570 01:28:16,667 --> 01:28:17,876 SENATOR WYDEN: What I wanted to see 1571 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,379 is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, 1572 01:28:21,464 --> 01:28:25,884 "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all 1573 01:28:25,968 --> 01:28:29,387 "on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" 1574 01:28:30,389 --> 01:28:31,556 DIRECTOR CLAPPER: No, sir. 1575 01:28:32,183 --> 01:28:33,641 SENATOR WYDEN: It does not? 1576 01:28:35,311 --> 01:28:36,811 Not wittingly. 1577 01:28:36,896 --> 01:28:39,481 There are cases where they could inadvertently, 1578 01:28:39,565 --> 01:28:41,441 perhaps, uh, collect, 1579 01:28:41,525 --> 01:28:43,109 but not wittingly. 1580 01:28:43,194 --> 01:28:44,402 Oh, really? 1581 01:28:44,487 --> 01:28:46,446 SENATOR WYDEN: Thank you, and I'll have additional questions 1582 01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:48,406 to give you in writing on that point. 1583 01:28:48,491 --> 01:28:49,616 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 1584 01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:51,075 SNOWDEN: Okay, so, uh, 1585 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,411 what I wanted to show you guys is, um, 1586 01:28:53,496 --> 01:28:56,998 the slide I ran across while building this indexing program. 1587 01:28:57,416 --> 01:28:58,458 And what is this? 1588 01:28:58,751 --> 01:29:00,335 Okay. So, this is data collection 1589 01:29:00,419 --> 01:29:02,337 for the month of March 1590 01:29:02,421 --> 01:29:04,672 worldwide, emails and Skype calls. 1591 01:29:04,757 --> 01:29:11,095 So France, 70 million. Germany, 500 million. Brazil, two billion. 1592 01:29:11,805 --> 01:29:13,848 Inside the U.S., 1593 01:29:13,933 --> 01:29:17,143 3. 1 billion emails and calls. 1594 01:29:17,228 --> 01:29:19,604 That's not including any of the telecom company data. 1595 01:29:19,688 --> 01:29:21,523 PATRICK: Okay, so what's the collection in Russia? 1596 01:29:22,107 --> 01:29:25,652 SNOWDEN: Russia is 1.5 billion. 1597 01:29:25,736 --> 01:29:27,362 Wait, so we're collecting twice as much 1598 01:29:27,446 --> 01:29:29,030 in the U.S. as we are in Russia? 1599 01:29:29,114 --> 01:29:30,198 Yeah, I figured it was a lot, but... 1600 01:29:30,282 --> 01:29:32,534 GABRIEL: This shit is out of hand, man. 1601 01:29:32,618 --> 01:29:34,661 Wait. Have you shown this to anyone else? 1602 01:29:34,787 --> 01:29:36,538 No, you guys are the first. 1603 01:29:36,622 --> 01:29:38,831 Yeah, yeah, you know, I'd be careful about that. 1604 01:29:38,916 --> 01:29:40,875 You know, it could seem like you're rocking the boat. 1605 01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:41,960 SNOWDEN: Yeah, you're right. 1606 01:29:42,044 --> 01:29:44,254 No, I just, uh, I needed to know 1607 01:29:44,338 --> 01:29:46,631 if I was the only one that thought this was crazy. 1608 01:29:47,299 --> 01:29:48,716 TREVOR: What the fuck's going on? 1609 01:29:48,801 --> 01:29:49,842 CATFISH: Hey, Trev. 1610 01:29:49,927 --> 01:29:50,969 What are you doing in here? 1611 01:29:51,053 --> 01:29:52,262 It's nothing. I was just showing them 1612 01:29:52,346 --> 01:29:54,806 this one slide, I needed some input. 1613 01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:56,015 Why the heat map? 1614 01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:57,725 It's my bad, Trev. 1615 01:29:57,810 --> 01:29:59,811 I made a bet with Ed about which country 1616 01:29:59,895 --> 01:30:02,480 we were collecting the most signals from. 1617 01:30:02,565 --> 01:30:04,482 He said Iran, I said Pakistan. 1618 01:30:05,651 --> 01:30:06,985 Who won? 1619 01:30:07,653 --> 01:30:08,778 Ed. 1620 01:30:08,862 --> 01:30:09,862 (SOFT CHUCKLE) 1621 01:30:11,407 --> 01:30:13,658 GABRIEL: Yeah, I need to head out. I'll see you guys. 1622 01:30:13,742 --> 01:30:14,909 You're going down next time, man. 1623 01:30:14,994 --> 01:30:16,119 Yeah, okay. 1624 01:30:17,288 --> 01:30:18,913 No more bets. 1625 01:30:18,998 --> 01:30:20,999 And I don't want anyone unauthorized in here again. 1626 01:30:21,083 --> 01:30:22,500 Especially not with Heartbeat. 1627 01:30:22,585 --> 01:30:24,335 You're right. Won't happen again. 1628 01:30:29,341 --> 01:30:30,341 (SIGHS) 1629 01:30:39,018 --> 01:30:40,351 ALL: Happy birthday! 1630 01:30:40,644 --> 01:30:42,228 (APPLAUSE AND CHATTER) 1631 01:30:46,859 --> 01:30:48,568 CATFISH:... in Vegas, looking at Afghanistan. 1632 01:30:48,652 --> 01:30:50,778 So we're running late hours. 1633 01:30:50,863 --> 01:30:53,656 So this blurry object comes wandering into the strike zone. 1634 01:30:54,366 --> 01:30:56,242 We all knew that it was a kid. 1635 01:30:56,535 --> 01:30:57,535 Poof. 1636 01:30:57,911 --> 01:30:58,911 He's gone. 1637 01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,290 We called in for clarification, and the report came back 1638 01:31:02,374 --> 01:31:04,083 that it was a dog. 1639 01:31:04,793 --> 01:31:06,252 Okay. Fine. 1640 01:31:06,879 --> 01:31:11,007 Shift's long, day and night. I don't remember. 1641 01:31:11,091 --> 01:31:14,010 But same village, two, three days later. 1642 01:31:14,094 --> 01:31:15,345 We see the funeral party. 1643 01:31:15,429 --> 01:31:17,639 We knew it was a kid that they were burying. 1644 01:31:17,723 --> 01:31:19,932 Moms and dads wailing. 1645 01:31:20,017 --> 01:31:22,727 And then the order comes down. Pretty clear. Hit 'em. 1646 01:31:23,395 --> 01:31:24,395 Poof. 1647 01:31:26,690 --> 01:31:29,484 And they are gone in a cloud of dust. 1648 01:31:33,614 --> 01:31:36,157 I mean, all of them. (CHUCKLING) The whole fuckin' family. 1649 01:31:36,867 --> 01:31:38,785 But the crazy thing is, 1650 01:31:38,869 --> 01:31:40,703 you come home after work, 1651 01:31:40,788 --> 01:31:44,916 kiss your wife, your kids, back to work the next day. 1652 01:31:45,042 --> 01:31:50,171 Pretty soon, you know, it just all becomes routine. 1653 01:31:51,965 --> 01:31:52,965 (SIGHS) 1654 01:31:53,175 --> 01:31:54,509 Fuck that. 1655 01:31:54,593 --> 01:31:58,388 You make it sound criminal, man. It's war. It's a job. 1656 01:31:58,472 --> 01:32:02,100 Oh, I don't know, man. You saying jobs can't be criminal? 1657 01:32:02,726 --> 01:32:04,268 Not if you're working for the government. 1658 01:32:05,062 --> 01:32:07,772 SNOWDEN: You ever hear about the Nuremberg trials, Trev? 1659 01:32:08,732 --> 01:32:10,358 They weren't that long ago. 1660 01:32:10,442 --> 01:32:13,528 Yeah. And we hung the Nazi big shots, right? 1661 01:32:14,154 --> 01:32:16,531 Yeah, well, the big shots were the first trial, 1662 01:32:16,615 --> 01:32:20,535 but then the next trial were just the judges, 1663 01:32:20,619 --> 01:32:23,579 and lawyers, and policemen, and guards, 1664 01:32:23,664 --> 01:32:28,292 and ordinary people just doing their jobs, following orders. 1665 01:32:29,628 --> 01:32:31,587 That's where we got the Nuremberg principles, 1666 01:32:31,672 --> 01:32:35,800 which then the UN made into international law, 1667 01:32:35,884 --> 01:32:40,346 just in case ordinary jobs become criminal again. 1668 01:32:43,642 --> 01:32:44,934 Just sayin'. 1669 01:32:45,018 --> 01:32:46,436 (DRONE WHIRRING) 1670 01:32:52,151 --> 01:32:53,317 (THUD) (WOMAN SCREAMS) 1671 01:32:53,652 --> 01:32:55,153 (CLAMORING) 1672 01:32:56,780 --> 01:32:58,072 MAN: That's gotta wake you up. You okay? 1673 01:32:58,157 --> 01:32:59,615 See, I told you not to grab my hand. 1674 01:32:59,825 --> 01:33:01,534 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1675 01:33:12,421 --> 01:33:13,880 ...fucking touch me anymore. 1676 01:33:30,606 --> 01:33:32,690 MAN: Dude! Dude, are you okay? WOMAN: Oh, my God. 1677 01:33:32,775 --> 01:33:34,192 LINDSAY: Ed, are you okay? 1678 01:33:34,276 --> 01:33:36,068 Are you okay, man? I think he's having a... 1679 01:33:36,195 --> 01:33:37,862 LINDSAY: Get away, don't touch him. 1680 01:33:37,946 --> 01:33:39,614 MAN: Don't touch him, don't touch him. LINDSAY: Don't... 1681 01:34:02,429 --> 01:34:03,554 (SIGHS) 1682 01:34:08,477 --> 01:34:12,563 Hey, Ed. How are you? How's your health? 1683 01:34:13,148 --> 01:34:15,107 Hey, Corbin. Uh... 1684 01:34:17,444 --> 01:34:19,946 It's fine. Thanks for asking. 1685 01:34:20,197 --> 01:34:22,907 Must be nerve-wracking living with that condition. 1686 01:34:24,076 --> 01:34:27,245 You wouldn't know it to look at your numbers. 1687 01:34:27,329 --> 01:34:30,414 Two hundred Chinese IPs down in your first four months. 1688 01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:35,545 Those are, uh, internal numbers. 1689 01:34:35,629 --> 01:34:39,257 Your colleague, Trevor, comes out of the CIA like you. 1690 01:34:39,341 --> 01:34:43,135 He's been, uh, keeping me informed on your progress. 1691 01:34:44,263 --> 01:34:48,766 (CHUCKLES) It's outstanding work. Heartbeat as well. 1692 01:34:49,643 --> 01:34:52,562 Thank you. Thanks. That means a lot. 1693 01:34:52,646 --> 01:34:55,773 Lowell is very pleased. He, uh, sends his regards. 1694 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,650 That's great to hear. 1695 01:34:58,694 --> 01:34:59,944 He, um... 1696 01:35:03,824 --> 01:35:06,701 He doesn't know about your heat map conversations, 1697 01:35:06,785 --> 01:35:09,954 or some of the ideas you've expressed to your colleagues. 1698 01:35:10,789 --> 01:35:12,123 And he's not going to. 1699 01:35:13,208 --> 01:35:14,625 Yeah. Uh... 1700 01:35:15,544 --> 01:35:19,463 You know, Heartbeat is proving a tricky project. 1701 01:35:19,548 --> 01:35:21,507 Collating from multiple agencies, 1702 01:35:21,592 --> 01:35:24,093 and knowing where to pull from. 1703 01:35:24,177 --> 01:35:27,346 It has helped to talk it over with colleagues. 1704 01:35:28,891 --> 01:35:30,224 I believe in you, Ed. 1705 01:35:30,642 --> 01:35:35,146 Which is why nothing happened to you after the derog in Geneva. 1706 01:35:36,148 --> 01:35:38,816 And I'm very grateful you've looked out for me. 1707 01:35:38,901 --> 01:35:39,984 Or after you, uh, 1708 01:35:42,279 --> 01:35:45,072 omitted the truth in your last polygraph. 1709 01:35:47,492 --> 01:35:50,036 What was it you were withholding exactly? 1710 01:35:50,871 --> 01:35:51,913 Hmm? 1711 01:35:57,044 --> 01:35:58,419 You remember that day in class, 1712 01:35:58,503 --> 01:36:01,297 you were talking to us about the FISA Court? 1713 01:36:02,674 --> 01:36:06,344 You said that they approved Bush's wiretapping programs. 1714 01:36:07,971 --> 01:36:11,182 Sometimes we're restricted from telling the whole truth. 1715 01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:15,269 Doesn't give us permission to lie. 1716 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,438 Come on, Corbin, 1717 01:36:17,522 --> 01:36:20,566 the Director of National Intelligence just lied to Congress! 1718 01:36:24,154 --> 01:36:25,196 Sorry. 1719 01:36:30,202 --> 01:36:31,702 Look at me. 1720 01:36:37,376 --> 01:36:41,295 Did you access an unauthorized program 1721 01:36:41,380 --> 01:36:43,881 that I did not know about? 1722 01:36:49,805 --> 01:36:51,180 Yes. 1723 01:36:52,683 --> 01:36:54,016 It was, uh... 1724 01:36:55,018 --> 01:36:56,811 It was at Geneva. It was Lindsay. 1725 01:36:56,895 --> 01:36:58,145 I was jealous. 1726 01:36:59,690 --> 01:37:02,233 And I'm sorry. I never did it again. 1727 01:37:16,248 --> 01:37:17,248 Listen, Ed. 1728 01:37:21,086 --> 01:37:24,672 I know it's been up and down with you and Lindsay since Geneva. 1729 01:37:25,507 --> 01:37:29,677 It's tough to keep any relationship going. Few of us do. 1730 01:37:31,930 --> 01:37:35,141 So, if it'll give you any peace of mind, I can assure you, 1731 01:37:35,225 --> 01:37:39,895 she's not sleeping with that photographer friend of hers. 1732 01:37:40,272 --> 01:37:42,064 If that's what you're thinking. 1733 01:37:45,944 --> 01:37:47,695 I have to go to a Five Eyes conference 1734 01:37:47,779 --> 01:37:49,488 in Sydney in a couple of weeks. 1735 01:37:49,573 --> 01:37:51,782 I'll stop off in Hawaii on the way back. 1736 01:37:53,577 --> 01:37:54,744 Okay? 1737 01:37:56,455 --> 01:37:59,206 Okay. Thank you. 1738 01:38:01,626 --> 01:38:02,960 I'll see you soon. 1739 01:38:16,892 --> 01:38:17,892 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 1740 01:38:19,102 --> 01:38:20,394 Hey, Dad. 1741 01:38:22,230 --> 01:38:25,066 Good. Did you get the e-mail that I sent you with the photos? 1742 01:38:26,777 --> 01:38:27,777 Uh-huh. 1743 01:38:29,404 --> 01:38:31,322 Well, I was hoping that you could send me some... 1744 01:38:33,992 --> 01:38:35,409 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 1745 01:38:40,957 --> 01:38:41,999 What are you doing? 1746 01:39:04,231 --> 01:39:05,231 Sit down. 1747 01:39:12,697 --> 01:39:14,365 Your e-mail is being monitored. 1748 01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:17,201 So? 1749 01:39:17,911 --> 01:39:18,953 No, it's different now. 1750 01:39:19,037 --> 01:39:21,539 It's not passive collection, it's full-take surveillance. 1751 01:39:21,623 --> 01:39:25,459 It's all of your e-mails, calls, texts, social media, everything. 1752 01:39:25,544 --> 01:39:30,005 It's also possible that the house is bugged. 1753 01:39:30,215 --> 01:39:31,423 I'm not sure. 1754 01:39:32,134 --> 01:39:33,259 By who? 1755 01:39:34,511 --> 01:39:37,388 By a senior officer at the CIA. 1756 01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:41,016 You in trouble? Is it the Chinese thing? 1757 01:39:42,811 --> 01:39:46,438 Look, there's things that I wish I could tell you, 1758 01:39:46,523 --> 01:39:50,401 but I can't because you could get very hurt. 1759 01:39:50,986 --> 01:39:53,779 What's keeping you safe is that you don't know anything. 1760 01:40:00,579 --> 01:40:03,956 I'm sorry, I really am. I didn't want any of this for you. 1761 01:40:05,917 --> 01:40:10,421 But I know you would think I was doing the right thing. 1762 01:40:15,093 --> 01:40:18,304 So just listen to me for a sec, okay? 1763 01:40:18,388 --> 01:40:21,473 When we go back in the house, everything has to appear normal. 1764 01:40:21,558 --> 01:40:23,684 We're gonna act like nothing has changed, 1765 01:40:23,768 --> 01:40:26,187 but if you do notice something that's weird, 1766 01:40:26,271 --> 01:40:28,105 you need to tell me right away. 1767 01:40:28,231 --> 01:40:31,609 And you're gonna use an encrypted e- mail that I'm setting up for you. 1768 01:40:31,693 --> 01:40:34,028 (EXHALES SHARPLY) Oh, my God, I don't think I can do this. 1769 01:40:34,112 --> 01:40:35,696 Yes, you can. I know you can. 1770 01:40:37,616 --> 01:40:39,158 Do I even have a choice? 1771 01:40:40,202 --> 01:40:41,869 I'm asking you to trust me. 1772 01:40:44,664 --> 01:40:46,165 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 1773 01:40:50,462 --> 01:40:51,670 And, Linds, I think it'd be best 1774 01:40:51,755 --> 01:40:54,340 if you went back to Maryland for a while. 1775 01:40:55,133 --> 01:40:58,761 Tell your parents that I'm away on a business trip 1776 01:40:58,845 --> 01:41:01,263 and that you're homesick. 1777 01:41:01,473 --> 01:41:03,098 Are you going away? 1778 01:41:03,225 --> 01:41:05,726 Yes. But just for a little while. 1779 01:41:13,151 --> 01:41:14,235 No. 1780 01:41:15,487 --> 01:41:16,487 No, I can't go. 1781 01:41:16,571 --> 01:41:17,988 Please. Just until I get back. 1782 01:41:18,073 --> 01:41:19,198 I can't go. 1783 01:41:21,493 --> 01:41:25,955 You just said that we have to appear like nothing's changed. 1784 01:41:26,164 --> 01:41:29,625 If both of us left at the same time, wouldn't that seem suspicious? 1785 01:41:34,005 --> 01:41:35,214 (SNIFFLES) 1786 01:41:40,178 --> 01:41:41,637 I will do this for you. 1787 01:41:46,726 --> 01:41:48,644 (SOBBING) But it is the last time. 1788 01:41:57,195 --> 01:41:58,904 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 1789 01:42:15,005 --> 01:42:16,672 (SIREN WAILING IN DISTANCE) 1790 01:42:21,052 --> 01:42:22,553 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1791 01:42:23,722 --> 01:42:26,140 Yo! Yo, you hear about Trevor, bro? 1792 01:42:26,224 --> 01:42:27,308 No, what? 1793 01:42:27,392 --> 01:42:29,810 You remember that op to own the Internet in Syria? 1794 01:42:29,894 --> 01:42:31,061 Yeah. Yeah. 1795 01:42:31,146 --> 01:42:33,647 Trevor and his TAO team crashed the core router. 1796 01:42:35,317 --> 01:42:36,817 Bro, the whole country's gone dark. 1797 01:42:36,901 --> 01:42:38,652 SNOWDEN: Jesus Christ. 1798 01:42:38,737 --> 01:42:39,778 TREVOR: Figure it out! 1799 01:42:39,863 --> 01:42:40,904 GABRIEL: Poor bastards. 1800 01:42:43,283 --> 01:42:45,075 Okay, I'm gonna, uh... I gotta get to work. 1801 01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:46,201 Yeah. Yeah, me too. 1802 01:42:47,245 --> 01:42:48,912 So, Ed, how's, uh... 1803 01:42:49,664 --> 01:42:51,165 How's Heartbeat coming? 1804 01:42:51,875 --> 01:42:53,042 It's close. 1805 01:42:54,753 --> 01:42:55,919 It's very close. 1806 01:42:56,379 --> 01:42:57,755 TREVOR: Pull it up on this monitor. 1807 01:42:57,839 --> 01:42:58,964 MAN: I'm still trying to access... 1808 01:42:59,049 --> 01:43:00,424 Don't tell me you're involved in this, too? 1809 01:43:00,508 --> 01:43:04,303 Well, Trevor fucking roped me into going through their zero-day exploit codes. 1810 01:43:04,387 --> 01:43:06,638 This thing is a fucking mess, man. 1811 01:43:09,392 --> 01:43:11,435 Why did I agree to this? Good luck. 1812 01:43:12,729 --> 01:43:13,896 PATRICK: This is Patrick... 1813 01:43:14,689 --> 01:43:16,357 What you're gonna do is you're gonna... 1814 01:43:21,654 --> 01:43:24,573 I told him, I... Help them. 1815 01:43:24,866 --> 01:43:25,991 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 1816 01:43:34,542 --> 01:43:35,626 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 1817 01:44:38,189 --> 01:44:39,565 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATION) 1818 01:44:51,035 --> 01:44:52,453 TREVOR: Okay. Get back to work, guys. 1819 01:44:52,537 --> 01:44:53,537 No, Patrick, show me. 1820 01:45:38,541 --> 01:45:39,917 TREVOR: Talk about getting hung out to dry. 1821 01:45:40,001 --> 01:45:41,710 PATRICK: Yeah. Are we set? 1822 01:45:42,086 --> 01:45:43,086 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 1823 01:45:43,379 --> 01:45:44,755 Trouble with the Navy? 1824 01:45:45,256 --> 01:45:47,508 TREVOR: One of those idiots ripped some bullshit piece of Israeli code 1825 01:45:47,592 --> 01:45:49,718 and jammed it down our payload. Can you fucking believe that? 1826 01:45:50,011 --> 01:45:51,094 Script kiddies. 1827 01:45:51,179 --> 01:45:52,554 TREVOR: I know, I know. I should have listened to you. 1828 01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:54,014 God damn it. Is this it? 1829 01:45:54,098 --> 01:45:55,349 PATRICK: Here. Yeah, this is it. 1830 01:45:55,433 --> 01:45:58,018 TREVOR: I'm gonna make the goddamn Israelis take the fall for this. 1831 01:45:58,811 --> 01:45:59,978 Come on. 1832 01:46:03,024 --> 01:46:04,900 Got it? I'm not taking the fall for this. 1833 01:46:14,619 --> 01:46:15,661 Patrick. 1834 01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:20,791 MAN: Still working on it, Trev. Hold on. 1835 01:46:21,125 --> 01:46:22,125 MAN: Nothing. Still nothing. 1836 01:46:30,593 --> 01:46:31,635 (CHUCKLES) 1837 01:46:33,721 --> 01:46:34,721 Yeah, but... 1838 01:47:18,766 --> 01:47:20,726 You, uh... You headed home already? 1839 01:47:20,810 --> 01:47:24,062 Yeah. I'm not feeling so well. 1840 01:47:24,147 --> 01:47:26,148 Might not be in tomorrow either. 1841 01:47:26,941 --> 01:47:28,442 You know, Trevor's kind of busy, 1842 01:47:28,526 --> 01:47:29,943 maybe you could let him know for me? 1843 01:47:30,028 --> 01:47:32,112 Yeah. Yeah, man. It'd be my pleasure. 1844 01:47:33,823 --> 01:47:35,240 You know, if you're, uh... 1845 01:47:35,325 --> 01:47:37,743 If you're really not feeling well, dude, maybe you should, uh, 1846 01:47:38,369 --> 01:47:40,078 go back to the States and see your doctor. 1847 01:47:40,163 --> 01:47:43,332 I think that, you know, folks would understand that. 1848 01:47:46,085 --> 01:47:47,836 That sounds like a smart thing. 1849 01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:48,920 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 1850 01:47:55,011 --> 01:47:56,386 Take care of yourself. 1851 01:47:57,055 --> 01:47:58,305 Yeah, you too, bro. 1852 01:48:10,568 --> 01:48:12,069 (CUBE CLICKING) 1853 01:48:15,490 --> 01:48:16,907 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATION) 1854 01:48:19,452 --> 01:48:20,494 Hey. Hey. 1855 01:48:21,829 --> 01:48:23,455 You ever play with one of these? 1856 01:48:24,957 --> 01:48:26,166 Yeah, when I was a kid. 1857 01:48:26,250 --> 01:48:28,585 Yeah. You should try it. It's hard. 1858 01:48:34,008 --> 01:48:35,008 (SCANNER BEEPS) 1859 01:48:50,108 --> 01:48:51,441 I can't figure this out. 1860 01:48:53,986 --> 01:48:55,112 (SCANNER BEEPS) 1861 01:48:57,824 --> 01:48:59,491 I don't know about this. 1862 01:48:59,701 --> 01:49:01,576 Yeah, you gotta start with the white cross, actually, 1863 01:49:01,703 --> 01:49:03,203 and then you do the corners. Ah. 1864 01:49:03,746 --> 01:49:04,746 Oh, man. 1865 01:49:04,831 --> 01:49:07,874 Look, I love these things. (CHUCKLES) 1866 01:49:07,959 --> 01:49:09,292 Hey, have a good weekend, man. 1867 01:49:09,377 --> 01:49:10,836 You too, buddy. All right. 1868 01:50:06,601 --> 01:50:07,809 LAURA: It's live. 1869 01:50:12,857 --> 01:50:14,941 There's a link to the FISA court order. 1870 01:50:21,032 --> 01:50:22,032 (CHUCKLES) 1871 01:50:22,533 --> 01:50:24,826 Well done, Janine. 1872 01:50:24,911 --> 01:50:26,453 I told you she wasn't a pushover. 1873 01:50:26,537 --> 01:50:28,705 Well, it feels so goddamn good to be wrong. 1874 01:50:37,256 --> 01:50:39,633 Breaking news tonight. Reports that through a secret court order, 1875 01:50:39,717 --> 01:50:42,260 the Obama administration is collecting the phone records 1876 01:50:42,345 --> 01:50:44,054 of millions of Verizon customers. 1877 01:50:44,138 --> 01:50:46,306 That's been reported by the Guardian newspaper in the U.K. 1878 01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:47,682 The specific court order shows 1879 01:50:47,767 --> 01:50:50,894 that all the information is going to the National Security Agency. 1880 01:50:50,978 --> 01:50:52,312 (GLEEFUL EXCLAMATION) 1881 01:50:52,980 --> 01:50:55,023 How's that for mainstream media, Glenn? 1882 01:50:55,107 --> 01:50:57,818 They can't shut this down now. And we've got four more days of it. 1883 01:50:57,902 --> 01:50:59,986 They have no idea what they're in store for. 1884 01:51:00,071 --> 01:51:01,154 (CHUCKLES) That's fantastic! 1885 01:51:01,239 --> 01:51:04,032 MORGAN:... former Speaker of the House is on the grill tonight and joins me now. 1886 01:51:04,116 --> 01:51:06,493 BLITZER: Another explosive article has just appeared, 1887 01:51:06,577 --> 01:51:07,994 this time in The Washington Post. 1888 01:51:08,079 --> 01:51:10,163 It's breaking news that it reveals 1889 01:51:10,248 --> 01:51:13,625 another broad and secret U.S. government surveillance program. 1890 01:51:13,709 --> 01:51:17,337 The Washington Post and the Guardian in London reporting 1891 01:51:17,421 --> 01:51:18,922 that the NSA and the FBl 1892 01:51:19,006 --> 01:51:22,133 are tapping directly into the central servers 1893 01:51:22,218 --> 01:51:24,511 of nine leading Internet companies, 1894 01:51:24,595 --> 01:51:27,180 including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, 1895 01:51:27,265 --> 01:51:30,183 AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple. 1896 01:51:30,268 --> 01:51:32,519 The Post says they're extracting audio, 1897 01:51:32,603 --> 01:51:35,438 video, photographs, e- mails, documents, 1898 01:51:35,523 --> 01:51:36,731 and connection logs 1899 01:51:36,816 --> 01:51:39,109 that enable analysts to track a person's movements 1900 01:51:39,193 --> 01:51:41,444 and contacts over time. 1901 01:51:44,782 --> 01:51:48,326 OBAMA: In the abstract, you can complain about Big Brother 1902 01:51:48,411 --> 01:51:52,539 and how this is a potential program run amok. 1903 01:51:52,623 --> 01:51:54,791 But when you actually look at the details, 1904 01:51:54,876 --> 01:51:56,960 then I think we've struck the right balance. 1905 01:51:57,044 --> 01:52:00,213 FEMALE REPORTER: U.S. President Barack Obama staunchly defends 1906 01:52:00,298 --> 01:52:02,465 U.S. government programs, 1907 01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:05,927 insisting that they were conducted with broad safeguards 1908 01:52:06,012 --> 01:52:08,263 and to protect against abuse. 1909 01:52:10,141 --> 01:52:12,392 GLENN: He reached the conclusion that what was happening 1910 01:52:12,476 --> 01:52:14,895 inside this really secretive agency 1911 01:52:14,979 --> 01:52:17,230 uh, was very threatening and menacing 1912 01:52:17,315 --> 01:52:19,733 to privacy rights, to Internet freedom, 1913 01:52:19,817 --> 01:52:22,611 to basic political liberty, not only in the United States, 1914 01:52:22,695 --> 01:52:24,738 but all around the world. 1915 01:52:24,822 --> 01:52:28,533 And he felt it was his duty as a human being to disclose it. 1916 01:52:39,337 --> 01:52:42,547 Uh, my name's Ed Snowden. I'm 29 years old. 1917 01:52:42,632 --> 01:52:44,090 I work for Booz Allen Hamilton 1918 01:52:44,175 --> 01:52:47,677 as an infrastructure analyst for NSA in Hawaii. 1919 01:52:49,013 --> 01:52:50,347 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 1920 01:52:50,431 --> 01:52:52,349 (SPEAKING GERMAN) 1921 01:52:52,642 --> 01:52:54,184 (SPEAKING ITALIAN) 1922 01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:55,894 (SPEAKING JAPANESE) 1923 01:52:56,145 --> 01:52:57,771 (SPEAKING RUSSIAN) 1924 01:52:58,230 --> 01:53:00,482 The identity of the man who sent the Obama... 1925 01:53:00,566 --> 01:53:04,778 You can't come forward against the most powerful intelligence agencies 1926 01:53:04,862 --> 01:53:07,447 in the world without expecting to have some risk. 1927 01:53:07,531 --> 01:53:09,616 They're just such powerful adversaries. 1928 01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:12,619 So no one can meaningfully oppose them. 1929 01:53:12,703 --> 01:53:13,787 He did it. 1930 01:53:13,871 --> 01:53:16,706 You know, if they want to get you, they will get you, in time. 1931 01:53:16,791 --> 01:53:17,791 The kid did it! 1932 01:53:17,875 --> 01:53:19,751 SNOWDEN: And it'sjust gonna get worse for the next generation, 1933 01:53:19,835 --> 01:53:21,211 as they extend the capabilities 1934 01:53:21,295 --> 01:53:24,798 of this sort of architecture of oppression. 1935 01:53:24,882 --> 01:53:29,219 And you realize that you might be willing to accept any risk, 1936 01:53:29,303 --> 01:53:33,056 as long as the public is able to make their own decision 1937 01:53:33,140 --> 01:53:34,766 about how this is applied. 1938 01:53:35,017 --> 01:53:37,727 Because even if you haven't done anything wrong, 1939 01:53:37,812 --> 01:53:39,771 you're being watched and recorded. 1940 01:53:39,855 --> 01:53:40,981 (TELEPHONE RINGING) 1941 01:53:41,065 --> 01:53:44,234 Look, I had access to the entire intelligence community. 1942 01:53:44,318 --> 01:53:47,570 So, if I had wanted to harm the U.S., 1943 01:53:47,655 --> 01:53:51,866 you could shut down the entire surveillance system in an afternoon. 1944 01:53:51,951 --> 01:53:55,245 But that was never my intention. 1945 01:53:55,329 --> 01:53:58,415 And I think anybody that's making that argument, 1946 01:53:58,499 --> 01:54:02,836 they have to think, if they were in my position, 1947 01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,673 living in Hawaii, in paradise, and making a ton of money, 1948 01:54:06,757 --> 01:54:11,636 what would it take to make you leave everything behind? 1949 01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:17,350 The fear that I think I have most in regards to the outcome 1950 01:54:17,435 --> 01:54:20,186 for America of these disclosures 1951 01:54:20,271 --> 01:54:22,480 is that nothing will change. 1952 01:54:22,565 --> 01:54:26,359 In the coming months and the coming years, it'll just get worse. 1953 01:54:26,444 --> 01:54:28,987 And then eventually, at some point, 1954 01:54:29,071 --> 01:54:33,158 some new leader will be elected 1955 01:54:33,242 --> 01:54:37,120 who flips the switch, 1956 01:54:37,204 --> 01:54:44,044 and the people won't be able to do anything, by that point, to oppose it. 1957 01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:47,088 And it'll be turnkey tyranny. 1958 01:54:49,050 --> 01:54:50,216 GLENN: How you holding up? 1959 01:54:51,135 --> 01:54:53,261 Yeah, I'll be fine. 1960 01:54:54,138 --> 01:54:55,638 It's you guys that have to start watching out 1961 01:54:55,723 --> 01:54:57,182 for yourselves now. 1962 01:54:58,350 --> 01:55:00,894 You know, if you have any reason to believe 1963 01:55:00,978 --> 01:55:05,565 that you're about to be raided or intercepted or breached in any way, 1964 01:55:05,649 --> 01:55:10,195 you format and destroy all the data immediately. 1965 01:55:10,279 --> 01:55:13,239 You have the encrypted backups. 1966 01:55:14,116 --> 01:55:15,450 And now, I... 1967 01:55:18,454 --> 01:55:21,372 I no longer have any access to these files myself. 1968 01:55:21,457 --> 01:55:23,083 You guys have them all. 1969 01:55:25,127 --> 01:55:26,211 Uh... 1970 01:55:26,670 --> 01:55:29,464 Keep the focus on the stories, that's all that matters. 1971 01:55:31,509 --> 01:55:33,176 If you'll excuse me, it's... 1972 01:55:35,930 --> 01:55:38,098 I think we should all get some rest. We can use it. 1973 01:55:38,349 --> 01:55:41,434 Yeah. I should probably lay down on a soft bed 1974 01:55:41,519 --> 01:55:43,561 while I still have one available, right? 1975 01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:47,065 You rest well. Thank you. 1976 01:55:49,276 --> 01:55:50,735 See you tomorrow. Good night. 1977 01:55:54,698 --> 01:55:55,698 (DOOR OPENS) 1978 01:55:56,992 --> 01:55:57,992 (DOOR CLOSES) 1979 01:56:18,722 --> 01:56:20,265 (WAVES CRASHING) 1980 01:56:21,142 --> 01:56:23,351 Can you at least tell me where you're going? 1981 01:56:24,770 --> 01:56:26,563 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 1982 01:56:37,116 --> 01:56:38,408 (CHUCKLES) 1983 01:56:48,252 --> 01:56:49,794 SNOWDEN: Listen, I know that I'm... 1984 01:57:03,601 --> 01:57:04,809 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 1985 01:57:05,477 --> 01:57:07,103 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1986 01:57:08,147 --> 01:57:09,772 Ewen, I'm on the second floor. 1987 01:57:11,275 --> 01:57:12,609 I don't see Tibbo. 1988 01:57:14,945 --> 01:57:17,238 No. No, no, wait. Okay. I think I see him. 1989 01:57:18,115 --> 01:57:19,240 Shit! 1990 01:57:19,867 --> 01:57:22,285 There's press swarming all over the hotel. 1991 01:57:22,369 --> 01:57:24,037 Yeah, I don't know. I'll figure it out. 1992 01:57:24,121 --> 01:57:26,164 I'll stop them with a press conference or something. 1993 01:57:26,290 --> 01:57:30,210 Hey, I'm Glenn. Look, we really appreciate this. 1994 01:57:30,294 --> 01:57:32,337 We understand you're one of the best lawyers in Hong Kong. 1995 01:57:32,421 --> 01:57:33,463 TIBBO: We'll do our best. 1996 01:57:33,547 --> 01:57:36,507 We're gonna take him to the UN first, then I prefer not to reveal. 1997 01:57:36,592 --> 01:57:37,550 GLENN: I understand. 1998 01:57:37,635 --> 01:57:39,928 Shit. They spotted me. You guys get going. 1999 01:57:40,971 --> 01:57:42,847 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 2000 01:57:43,641 --> 01:57:45,225 Okay, I will take your questions in an orderly fashion. 2001 01:57:45,309 --> 01:57:46,392 Where is Snowden? Do you know where he is? 2002 01:57:46,477 --> 01:57:47,477 FEMALE REPORTER: Come on, please let us know! 2003 01:57:48,145 --> 01:57:49,229 Did you get them? 2004 01:57:49,313 --> 01:57:50,939 Yeah, this is the best I could do. 2005 01:57:51,023 --> 01:57:53,608 You're meeting Tibbo in five minutes, 2006 01:57:53,692 --> 01:57:56,194 on the skybridge opposite the large mall. 2007 01:57:59,949 --> 01:58:04,202 I've met a lot of astonishing people in my life, but you... 2008 01:58:04,286 --> 01:58:05,536 (BOTH CHUCKLE) 2009 01:58:06,413 --> 01:58:08,665 Okay, laddie. Off you go. 2010 01:58:09,625 --> 01:58:11,125 I won't let you down. 2011 01:58:13,295 --> 01:58:15,797 You'd make a shitty journalist without a camera. 2012 01:58:16,674 --> 01:58:18,424 Are you sure? Yeah. 2013 01:58:18,884 --> 01:58:21,803 Okay. That's a great idea. 2014 01:58:23,681 --> 01:58:24,681 Thanks. 2015 01:58:27,059 --> 01:58:29,143 Oh! You don't want to leave your luck behind. 2016 01:58:29,728 --> 01:58:30,728 SNOWDEN: Oh. 2017 01:58:30,980 --> 01:58:32,855 I think I'd like you to have that. 2018 01:58:35,025 --> 01:58:37,277 Thanks for everything. 2019 01:58:37,945 --> 01:58:39,028 Thank you. 2020 01:58:57,589 --> 01:58:59,173 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 2021 01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:04,053 (WHISPERS) I have a van on the street. 2022 01:59:09,226 --> 01:59:12,395 FEMALE REPORTER: NSA leaker Edward Snowden has now been charged formally 2023 01:59:12,479 --> 01:59:17,233 with espionage, theft, and conversion of government property. 2024 01:59:17,359 --> 01:59:19,110 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) U.S. officials have asked Hong Kong 2025 01:59:19,194 --> 01:59:20,737 to detain the former contractor 2026 01:59:20,821 --> 01:59:22,655 on a provisional arrest warrant. 2027 01:59:22,740 --> 01:59:24,824 Snowden has been in Hong Kong since May... 2028 01:59:24,908 --> 01:59:28,119 MALE REPORTER 1:... remember, that was back reportedly on May 20th. 2029 01:59:28,746 --> 01:59:31,331 MALE REPORTER 1:... Snowden has checked out of the luxury hotel in Hong Kong, 2030 01:59:31,415 --> 01:59:32,623 where he had been holed up. 2031 01:59:35,794 --> 01:59:36,836 TIBBO: You might turn your eyes away. 2032 01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:38,338 FEMALE REPORTER:... not likely take action against him 2033 01:59:38,422 --> 01:59:39,422 without an arrest warrant from the U.S. 2034 01:59:39,506 --> 01:59:42,175 MALE REPORTER 2: The Justice Department had to go to Interpol so that Snowden, 2035 01:59:42,259 --> 01:59:44,427 if he tried to cross a border, he could be intercepted and detained. 2036 01:59:44,511 --> 01:59:45,928 MALE REPORTER 3: Snowden is still in hiding. 2037 01:59:46,013 --> 01:59:47,013 So again... 2038 01:59:47,097 --> 01:59:48,765 MALE REPORTER 4: But the Americans are now closing in. 2039 01:59:48,849 --> 01:59:51,017 They almost certainly know where he is, 2040 01:59:51,101 --> 01:59:53,728 they just need Hong Kong's approval to get him. 2041 01:59:53,812 --> 01:59:55,521 FEMALE REPORTER 1: The Hong Kong government does have 2042 01:59:55,606 --> 01:59:57,648 an extradition agreement with Washington. 2043 01:59:57,733 --> 01:59:58,858 But the ultimate decision... 2044 01:59:58,942 --> 02:00:02,362 FEMALE REPORTER 2: So the big question here is, where is he now? 2045 02:00:02,446 --> 02:00:03,613 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) 2046 02:00:04,948 --> 02:00:08,159 Thank you. This is Ed. Ed, Mayana. 2047 02:00:08,243 --> 02:00:09,911 Hi, Ed. Welcome. Thank you. 2048 02:00:10,329 --> 02:00:11,871 (GREETING IN TAMIL) SNOWDEN: Thank you. 2049 02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:14,707 TIBBO: These are good people. They won't talk. 2050 02:00:15,376 --> 02:00:18,169 I've been handling their cases for years. They're like you. 2051 02:00:18,253 --> 02:00:19,420 That's so nice. 2052 02:00:19,755 --> 02:00:21,631 They're stateless. Yeah. 2053 02:00:22,132 --> 02:00:25,551 TIBBO: So we're waiting on the UN application for refugee status. 2054 02:00:25,636 --> 02:00:26,761 Yeah. 2055 02:00:26,845 --> 02:00:29,680 Just in case you're arrested, this is where you can call me. 2056 02:00:29,765 --> 02:00:30,807 Yeah. 2057 02:00:32,976 --> 02:00:34,102 Good. 2058 02:00:34,812 --> 02:00:36,104 Thank you so much. 2059 02:00:40,317 --> 02:00:44,987 You may not feel it, Ed, but you're not alone. 2060 02:00:45,864 --> 02:00:46,948 Thank you. 2061 02:00:49,535 --> 02:00:51,619 FEMALE REPORTER:... his longtime girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, 2062 02:00:51,703 --> 02:00:52,912 an amateur photographer, 2063 02:00:52,996 --> 02:00:54,414 has not been heard from. 2064 02:00:54,498 --> 02:00:56,416 It's believed she's in seclusion 2065 02:00:56,500 --> 02:00:58,000 in her parents' home in Maryland, 2066 02:00:58,085 --> 02:00:59,919 and has been questioned by the FBl 2067 02:01:00,003 --> 02:01:01,921 and remains under investigation. 2068 02:01:03,841 --> 02:01:07,593 MALE REPORTER: Ten days have now gone by, as the world looks for Edward Snowden. 2069 02:01:07,678 --> 02:01:11,097 Rumors have surfaced that a rich supporter is hiding Snowden 2070 02:01:11,181 --> 02:01:14,517 somewhere in the Hong Kong hills in a private mansion. 2071 02:01:40,085 --> 02:01:42,295 (WOMAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON PA) 2072 02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:48,926 MALE REPORTER 1: It is now confirmed that Edward Snowden 2073 02:01:49,011 --> 02:01:51,304 has boarded a flight from Hong Kong to Moscow. 2074 02:01:51,388 --> 02:01:53,264 FEMALE REPORTER 1: The State Department is very disappointed 2075 02:01:53,348 --> 02:01:54,974 in the authorities in Hong Kong 2076 02:01:55,058 --> 02:01:56,684 for letting Snowden go. 2077 02:01:56,768 --> 02:01:59,312 MALE REPORTER 2: He was accompanied by a representative from WikiLeaks. 2078 02:01:59,396 --> 02:02:02,565 MALE REPORTER 3: Snowden is trying to make his way from Russia to Cuba, 2079 02:02:02,649 --> 02:02:04,859 and then to Ecuador for political asylum. 2080 02:02:04,943 --> 02:02:07,153 FEMALE REPORTER 2: Moscow airport officials say he won't be permitted 2081 02:02:07,237 --> 02:02:08,654 to make his connective flight 2082 02:02:08,739 --> 02:02:11,157 because the U.S. government has revoked his passport. 2083 02:02:11,241 --> 02:02:13,951 MALE REPORTER 4: The United States Secretary of State, John Kerry, 2084 02:02:14,036 --> 02:02:17,914 outraged that Russia is refusing to arrest the American fugitive. 2085 02:02:17,998 --> 02:02:22,168 MALE REPORTER 5: Now a man without a country stranded inside the Moscow airport. 2086 02:02:22,252 --> 02:02:24,921 No, I'm not gonna be scrambling jets, uh, 2087 02:02:25,005 --> 02:02:29,592 to get a 29-year-old hacker. 2088 02:02:31,178 --> 02:02:32,637 FEMALE REPORTER 3: The President of Bolivia's plane 2089 02:02:32,721 --> 02:02:35,014 was forced down in Austria airspace today 2090 02:02:35,098 --> 02:02:39,352 following U.S. suspicions that Snowden may have been on board. 2091 02:02:39,436 --> 02:02:41,812 MALE REPORTER 6: After 39 days in the airport hotel, 2092 02:02:41,897 --> 02:02:44,315 he's left with his Russian lawyer and a legal advisor 2093 02:02:44,399 --> 02:02:46,526 from WikiLeaks, Sarah Harrison. 2094 02:02:47,402 --> 02:02:50,196 MALE REPORTER 7: He can now enjoy all of the sweet, sweet liberty 2095 02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:53,449 allowed under the regime of President Vladimir Putin. 2096 02:02:53,534 --> 02:02:56,702 TRUMP: There is still a thing called execution. 2097 02:02:56,787 --> 02:02:58,120 Mr. Snowden actually deserves asylum 2098 02:02:58,205 --> 02:02:59,497 and protection around the globe. 2099 02:02:59,581 --> 02:03:02,708 But he does have asylum in Russia at least. 2100 02:03:02,793 --> 02:03:04,794 He can engage in the debate he started. 2101 02:03:05,420 --> 02:03:06,712 And the world now has an example 2102 02:03:06,797 --> 02:03:08,047 that you can do the right thing, 2103 02:03:08,131 --> 02:03:11,884 and you don't have to end up in a cage, one room, a prison. 2104 02:03:13,971 --> 02:03:17,139 MALE REPORTER: After more than a year in the country under temporary asylum, 2105 02:03:17,224 --> 02:03:21,644 Edward Snowden has received a three-year residency permit in Russia. 2106 02:03:29,987 --> 02:03:33,030 MALE MODERATOR: And now, here live from Moscow, 2107 02:03:33,323 --> 02:03:34,907 Edward Snowden. (APPLAUSE) 2108 02:03:36,285 --> 02:03:38,160 Hi, Ed. How you doing? 2109 02:03:43,542 --> 02:03:45,001 SNOWDEN: (ON SPEAKERS) Thank you. 2110 02:03:45,627 --> 02:03:48,004 Uh, forgive me if I get my bearings a little bit here. 2111 02:03:48,088 --> 02:03:50,548 People always said I was kind of a robot. 2112 02:03:50,632 --> 02:03:51,799 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) 2113 02:03:52,050 --> 02:03:54,552 MODERATOR: How is it that you came to be in Russia? 2114 02:03:55,178 --> 02:03:56,929 Well, I never intended to come here. 2115 02:03:57,014 --> 02:04:00,933 You know, my passport was revoked en route to Latin America. 2116 02:04:01,018 --> 02:04:03,644 So when people say, "Why are you in Russia?" 2117 02:04:03,729 --> 02:04:06,606 I say, "Ask the State Department. " 2118 02:04:07,524 --> 02:04:11,027 Does that mean you're willing to go back and face trial? 2119 02:04:11,737 --> 02:04:15,656 Absolutely, if it was a fair and public trial. 2120 02:04:16,283 --> 02:04:19,035 Unfortunately, that's not what would happen right now, 2121 02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:23,205 as long as the Espionage Act is being used against whistleblowers. 2122 02:04:24,541 --> 02:04:26,500 MODERATOR: Do you still think it was worth it? 2123 02:04:26,585 --> 02:04:27,627 Yes, I do. 2124 02:04:27,711 --> 02:04:31,631 Without the information to start a public debate, 2125 02:04:31,715 --> 02:04:33,132 we're lost. You know... 2126 02:04:33,717 --> 02:04:37,261 The people being able to question our government 2127 02:04:37,346 --> 02:04:39,972 and hold it accountable, 2128 02:04:40,057 --> 02:04:44,977 that's the principle that the United States of America was founded on. 2129 02:04:45,062 --> 02:04:48,814 So if we want to protect our national security, 2130 02:04:48,899 --> 02:04:51,317 we should be protecting that principle. 2131 02:04:52,944 --> 02:04:55,237 MODERATOR: What ifyour argument falls on deaf ears? 2132 02:04:55,322 --> 02:04:57,657 What if our leaders don't act? 2133 02:04:58,450 --> 02:05:01,661 I believe that, if nothing changes, 2134 02:05:02,663 --> 02:05:07,249 more and more people all over the world will come forward. 2135 02:05:07,918 --> 02:05:12,922 Whistleblowers and journalists, but also regular citizens. 2136 02:05:13,757 --> 02:05:19,595 And when those in power try to hide by classifying everything, 2137 02:05:20,347 --> 02:05:23,182 we will call them out on it. 2138 02:05:23,725 --> 02:05:29,480 And when they try to scare us into sacrificing our basic human rights, 2139 02:05:29,564 --> 02:05:31,857 we won't be intimidated, 2140 02:05:31,942 --> 02:05:36,612 and we won't give up, and we will not be silenced. 2141 02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:40,074 You're alone in a foreign country, 2142 02:05:40,158 --> 02:05:43,411 you'll be extradited if you try to leave. 2143 02:05:43,495 --> 02:05:45,162 That must be hard. 2144 02:05:57,676 --> 02:06:01,220 When I left Hawaii, I lost everything. 2145 02:06:04,891 --> 02:06:06,851 And I had a stable life. 2146 02:06:07,185 --> 02:06:08,602 (CHUCKLES) 2147 02:06:09,896 --> 02:06:11,981 A stable love. 2148 02:06:12,065 --> 02:06:13,983 Family. Future. 2149 02:06:15,819 --> 02:06:17,653 And I lost that life, 2150 02:06:20,615 --> 02:06:22,658 but I've gained a new one, 2151 02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:26,954 and I'm incredibly fortunate. 2152 02:06:29,416 --> 02:06:30,708 And I think 2153 02:06:32,711 --> 02:06:34,170 the greatest freedom that I've gained 2154 02:06:34,254 --> 02:06:37,840 is the fact that I no longer have to worry about what happens tomorrow, 2155 02:06:37,924 --> 02:06:40,301 because I'm happy with what I've done today. 2156 02:06:45,932 --> 02:06:48,768 Live from the Internet, Edward Snowden! 2157 02:06:48,852 --> 02:06:50,519 (APPLAUSE) 2158 02:06:52,063 --> 02:06:53,981 (CHEERING AND WHISTLING) 2159 02:08:06,763 --> 02:08:08,389 MALE REPORTER: Has your mindset changed about him? 2160 02:08:08,473 --> 02:08:12,560 Is he now more whistleblower than he is a, uh, hacker? 2161 02:08:49,973 --> 02:08:51,932 MALE REPORTER: What is going to happen to Edward Snowden? 2162 02:08:52,017 --> 02:08:54,727 He's going to die in Moscow. He's not coming home. 2163 02:09:32,807 --> 02:09:35,017 Edward Snowden, is he a traitor or a hero? 2164 02:09:35,101 --> 02:09:38,354 HILLARY CLINTON: He stole very important information. 2165 02:09:56,957 --> 02:09:58,290 MALE REPORTER: We have breaking news tonight... 2166 02:09:58,375 --> 02:09:59,375 Among the reforms, 2167 02:09:59,459 --> 02:10:02,127 work with Congress to change how the NSA collects phone records. 2168 02:10:03,338 --> 02:10:05,756 Mandate more transparency by the secret court 2169 02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:07,925 that regularly approves the surveillance. 2170 02:10:09,844 --> 02:10:11,804 MAN: Well, is it a victory for Edward Snowden? 2171 02:10:11,888 --> 02:10:13,722 That's gonna depend on the eye of the beholder. 2172 02:10:15,517 --> 02:10:17,893 LINCOLN CHAFFEE: The American government was acting illegally. 2173 02:10:17,978 --> 02:10:20,896 HILLARY CLINTON: I don't think he should be brought home without facing the music. 2174 02:10:22,941 --> 02:10:24,775 SANDERS: Snowden played a very important role 2175 02:10:24,859 --> 02:10:26,986 in educating the American people 2176 02:10:27,070 --> 02:10:31,490 to the degree in which our civil liberties and our constitutional rights 2177 02:10:31,574 --> 02:10:32,700 are being undermined.