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<i>MAN 1: What are they saying about Bush?</i>

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MAN <i>2:
Does he deserve reelection?</i>

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<i>And here are the numbers.
Forty-five percent say yes...</i>

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<i>0,49 percent say no.</i>

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<i>Democrats, 84 percent say no.</i>

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<i>Eighty-four percent of Republicans
say yes.</i>

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<i>Independents, 51 percent now say
he does not deserve reelection.</i>

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<i>- That's a red flag.
MAN</i> 1: <i>And what about for John Kerry?</i>

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<i>- Is that good news?</i>
MAN <i>2: It should be.</i>

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<i>Look at John Kerry's numbers, Tom.
Positive-negative.</i>

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<i>Positive 38 percent,
negative 38 percent.</i>

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<i>This thing is still</i> a <i>toss-up.</i>

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Mr. Hibey will see you now.

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MAPES: Thank ya...

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Ms. Mapes.

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I'm Dick Hibey. What can I do for you?

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Oh, I think you know.

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- You knit?
- You don't expect a woman like me...

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- ...to knit?
- No. But it's good. It's helpful.

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Yeah. You mean it blunts
my radical feminist agenda.

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- Do you have a radical feminist agenda?
- You meet a lot of radical leaders?

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Do you have
a substance abuse problem?

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I'm working on developing one.

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- I'm serious.
- Oh, so am I.

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You came to me.
If you're not up for this...

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I've been in news for 20 years.
Won two Emmys, broke Abu Ghraib...

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done jail time for not revealing sources.
I have neither a feminist agenda...

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nor a substance abuse problem.
Though I'm gonna take a Xanax...

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because this
is really freaking me out.

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Get any water?

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- Thanks.
- You have to be ready...

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- ...for questions like that.
- I'm up for this.

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[MAPES CLEARS THROAT]

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There's an interesting recurring theme...

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- ...to the stories you cover.
- Mm-hm.

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- People abusing their power.
- I don't like bullies.

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Tell me about your work.

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You wanna know if I'm responsible
for what happened.

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- Aren't you?
- Look, I did my job. Believe me.

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I don't have to believe you.

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What matters is that they believe you.
Now, tell me about your work.

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I'm the producer. I find the story.

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I put the team together.
I write and cut the piece.

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I work at <i>60 Minutes.</i>

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And what's that like?

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♪♪♪

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MAPES:
Which one of you ordered the duck?

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DANA: That would be Tom.
- Napkin.

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- Thank you. Thank you.
- Fatso.

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- They're gonna run it this time?
- They're gonna run it.

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- Because you said that last week.
- They're gonna run it, Roger.

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Hey, uh, you want me
to paint it out like this?

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Oh, Jesus, no, it makes his genitals look
like they were attacked by mad cubists.

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Um...

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Maybe you could just
kind of darken the area.

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Okay. Ahem.

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Like that?

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Okay, now it just looks like
there's a black hole there.

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DANA:
From which no light can escape.

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They're really gonna run it?

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Because Sy Hersh has this...

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and he's gonna write a story
about how we've sat on it.

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Dana, can you tell Roger they're gonna
run it, then hit him for me, will you'!

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I gotta go grab him.

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- Can you finish it?
DANA: Mm-hm.

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He was the first journalist to report
John F. Kennedy had been shot.

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He described the Zapruder film in detail
to a nation...

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that was not allowed to see it.

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Became White House correspondent
at the age of 33...

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chief London correspondent
a year later...

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and brought the Vietnam War into
American living rooms for the first time.

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He covered the Russians in Afghanistan,
the hostages in Iran...

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<i>and in</i> 1981, <i>became anchor
of the CBS Evening News.</i>

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He's now anchored
more nightly news broadcasts...

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than anyone else in U.S. history.

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That's no! Bad for the son of
a ditch-digger from Wharton, Texas.

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Ladies and gentlemen,
I give you my friend...

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and the reason I have this job,
Dan Rather.

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[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

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Long enough to give us
a great market share, I'll tell you.

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- It's been a real pleasure. Real pleasure.
- Hey, Andrew, I need him.

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- Well, you're not taking him.
- You say that, but here I am.

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- You got him?
- Mm-hm. In a hotel two blocks up.

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- Let's go.
- Dan, you can't leave your own party.

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- I got 50 affiliates and their wives...
- I know.

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- ...waiting to talk with you. Goddamn it.
- I know.

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You wanna finish this off'?
I've had three.

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Mary.

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WAITRESS:
I'll take that for you, Mr. Hayward.

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You know?

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General. This is Dan Rather.

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♪♪♪

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- General.
- Sir.

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RATHER:
Thank you for doing this.

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Let's start from the beginning.

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[CLOCK TICKING ON MONITOR]

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<i>RATHER [ON TV]:
Americans did this to an Iraqi prisoner.</i>

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<i>According to the Army,
the man was told to stand on a box...</i>

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<i>his head covered with wires
attached to his hands.</i>

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<i>He was told that if he fell off the box,
he would be electrocuted.</i>

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<i>It was this picture
and dozens of others...</i>

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<i>that prompted an investigation
by the U.S. Army.</i>

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<i>Yesterday, we asked
General Mark Kimmitt...</i>

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<i>deputy director
of coalition operations in Iraq...</i>

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<i>what went wrong.</i>

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<i>Every day we love our soldiers,
but frankly...</i>

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<i>some days we're not always
proud of our soldiers.</i>

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<i>MAN [ON</i> TV]:
<i>The military says six American soldiers...</i>

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have been charged so far...

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<i>and could be court-martialed.
Others higher...</i>

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<i>min the chain of command
will likely be disciplined.</i>

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I remember when you used to say
"courage" at the end of every broadcast.

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- You remember that?
DANA: I remember. Do you remember'?

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You must be very old.

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- Why'd you stop?
- They made fun of him, that's why.

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- No.
- No, they did.

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- Seriously. Imagine?
- Oh, yeah.

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Go on, give us a "courage," Dan.

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- No, come on. Mary.
MAPES: Come on, just one.

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- For me.
RATHER: I don't think so.

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MAPES: For me, for me.
DANA: Come on.

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Just a little one.

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<i>Cum-Ha, ha.</i>

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- Come on, please.
CHARLES: Come on.

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- You really want it?
DANA: I want it too, yeah.

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Courage.

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[MAPES & CHARLES LAUGHING]

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- Well, it worked at one time.
MAPES: It did. It did.

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Hey. Here's to a great story.

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Yeah, once they finally ran it.

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- RATHER: Yeah.
- F.E.A.

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ALL: F.E.A.

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BOY: We're sitting here with Mommy.
Thank you for being here.

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No. Thank you for having me.

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Mommy, you were away
for a long time again.

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- Mm-hm.
- What were you doing?

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I was in New York working on the news.

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And what does that entail?

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I was asking questions.
Questions help reporters get to the truth.

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- Were you with the men with the cameras?
- Mm-hm.

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Interesting.

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Can I have a new
camera, please?

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We'll have to talk to
your dad about that.

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I'm trying to get to
the truth here, Mommy.

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Mm-hm.

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Answer the question.

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I think this interview is over.

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- Okay.
- Nice try.

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<i>MAN [ON</i> TV]:
<i>President Bush said today...</i>

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he <i>was disgusted
by pictures of Iraqi prisoners...</i>

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<i>being abused by American soldiers.</i>

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Caused a bit of a ruckus, didn't you?

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Who, me?
You didn't let Robbie watch it, did you?

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Yes, because
I'm the worst parent of all time.

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<i>And the damage to U. S. interests...</i>

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in <i>the rest of the world
is hard to calculate, but...</i>

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- You <i>wanna take</i> a walk?
<i>- Here's Martha Raddatz.</i>

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No, I think I have to work.

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Mary, thanks for coming in.
Look, no big preamble.

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We love you.
We love what you've done. It's...

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Let's talk about the new season.
What are you thinking?

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I might have something
for the election.

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There's this Houston businessman
named Bill White...

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who claims that he has documents
that show the bin Laden family...

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were investors in Arbusto.

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Arbusto? Bush's oil company?

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You know, could just be lots of sound
and fury, but <i>Vanity Fair</i> is into it too.

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You know,
that whole time period for Bush is funky.

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Funky how?

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Well, I did some work on it
back in 2000.

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- You know Ben Barnes?
- No.

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Oh, he's an old Texas pol.

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Barnes says when he was
the speaker of the Texas House...

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in '68 during Vietnam...

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Sid Adger, this big oilman,
comes into his office...

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and asks for help
getting George Bush...

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into the National Guard as a pilot.

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And Poppy Bush at this point
is a congressman...

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and Barnes figures
he can use the connections.

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So he says that he called General Rose,
who runs the Texas Air National Guard...

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and gets Bush his slot.

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Barnes told you this?

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Off the record. He's been dining out
on the story for years.

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I call Buck Staudt,
Bush's squadron commander...

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and he starts screaming at me,
saying how Barnes is full of shit...

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because everybody knows he's the one
who got Bush into the Guard, not Barnes.

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Anyway, while Bush is in the Guard,
he meets this guy named James Bath.

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And they become running buddies.

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And after they get out, Bath,
with no résumé to speak of...

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becomes
chief financial representative...

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for the bin Laden family's interests
in Texas.

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Bush starts up Arbusto,
Bath writes him a $50,000 check.

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Which your guy, White,
claims is bin Laden money?

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Okay. Okay, run it down.

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But if we go with this, we gotta go early.
We can't October surprise them.

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All right. If you're into this, I'd like
to bring in some other people to help.

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Who?

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Colonel Roger Charles.

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<i>Worked Abu Ghraib for us.
Naval Academy grad.</i>

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<i>Two tours at Vietnam,
then the Pentagon.</i>

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<i>When he's not working for us, he's trying
to get better armor for troops in Iraq.</i>

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Who else?

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<i>MAPES:
Well, since Dana's on maternity leave...</i>

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<i>I'd like Lucy Scott to run point.</i>

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<i>She's</i> a <i>CBS veteran,
journalism professor in Dallas.</i>

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What about this man, Mike Smith?

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Mikey cut his teeth
working for Molly Ivins.

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He was a researcher
for us back in 2000.

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<i>Last I heard, he was</i> a <i>stringer
for People.com.</i> ..

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<i>“Sneaking into parties
to find out who's sleeping with who.</i>

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Now, when you say "sport-fucking,"
he was just putting it to her for fun...

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or he's like actively attempting
to compete at it?

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It is a crack team.

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Trust me.

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You really gonna do it this time?

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Your evil corporate overlords
will let you?

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Good to see you too, Mikey.

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CBS is talking
about closing foreign bureaus...

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moving into more
of a bullshit infotainment direction.

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They won't touch the news division,
as long as Dan's there.

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Dan's not gonna be there forever.
They'll find a way to get the old man out.

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Why did he even get into journalism
if he's not gonna do the tough stories?

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How you doing, Mikey?

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Heh, heh...

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Um...

229
00:11:48,308 --> 00:11:50,413
I'm eating ramen three meals a day...

230
00:11:51,411 --> 00:11:53,584
stealing cable.

231
00:11:54,414 --> 00:11:56,416
I could use a job.

232
00:11:58,851 --> 00:12:01,525
Come in, meet everybody.

233
00:12:04,490 --> 00:12:07,369
Well, hell's bells,
you brought me a hippy?

234
00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,404
This is Mike Smith,
we worked on this together in 2000.

235
00:12:10,597 --> 00:12:13,373
- He has no social graces whatsoever.
- That's true.

236
00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:16,342
Your Arbusto tip, it's for shit.

237
00:12:16,536 --> 00:12:18,538
Bin Laden money
never got near Bush.

238
00:12:19,005 --> 00:12:20,882
Okay. un...

239
00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:22,280
What am I doing here?

240
00:12:23,176 --> 00:12:25,622
What you're looking at
is George W. Bush's...

241
00:12:25,845 --> 00:12:27,950
entire Texas Air National Guard file.

242
00:12:28,181 --> 00:12:31,560
- You mean what's left of it, right?
- That's affirmative.

243
00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:33,458
MIKE: Wait, wait, wait.

244
00:12:35,221 --> 00:12:37,701
You guys are doing a paper trail.

245
00:12:37,890 --> 00:12:40,461
Let me show you what we've got.

246
00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:45,068
It starts right here.

247
00:12:45,265 --> 00:12:46,539
May 1968.

248
00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:48,735
Bloodiest month of the Vietnam War.

249
00:12:48,935 --> 00:12:52,610
Bush is accepted into the Texas Air
National Guard for pilot training.

250
00:12:52,805 --> 00:12:56,048
And if you believe Ben Barnes,
he got Bush onto the waiting list.

251
00:12:56,242 --> 00:12:59,382
If there ever was a waiting list.
Some say yes, some say no.

252
00:12:59,579 --> 00:13:02,651
Bush says he got in quickly
because they were looking for pilots...

253
00:13:02,815 --> 00:13:05,921
which is bullshit with the pilots
rotating back in from Vietnam.

254
00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:07,462
And that's another thing.

255
00:13:07,654 --> 00:13:11,158
Training a National Guard pilot
from start to finish, that's a huge rarity.

256
00:13:11,391 --> 00:13:13,234
- Why?
- It's not cost-effective.

257
00:13:13,426 --> 00:13:14,837
Air National Guard jocks...

258
00:13:15,061 --> 00:13:18,167
they're former Air Force pilots
who wanna maintain their ratings.

259
00:13:18,398 --> 00:13:21,311
Why spend a million bucks
training some new pilot...

260
00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:24,414
when you can get some guy
the Air Force taught how to fly.

261
00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:29,246
Only thing that makes Bush an attractive
candidate is who he's connected to.

262
00:13:29,442 --> 00:13:31,854
Well, either way, he's in.

263
00:13:32,078 --> 00:13:34,684
He signs on for a six-year commitment.

264
00:13:34,914 --> 00:13:36,757
He does his pilot training at Moody...

265
00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:40,522
then he's assigned to the 111th
Fighter Intercept Squadron in Houston.

266
00:13:40,753 --> 00:13:43,495
Now, the record shows
that he does really well here.

267
00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:47,467
High marks at every rating period,
until the spring of 1972...

268
00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:52,336
when he is suspended in writing
for missing a routine physical.

269
00:13:52,532 --> 00:13:55,342
How does someone go
from being a top-notch pilot...

270
00:13:55,535 --> 00:13:57,105
to not even taking a physical?

271
00:13:57,303 --> 00:14:01,308
Well, not only that, but he requests
and he is granted...

272
00:14:01,507 --> 00:14:05,717
a reassignment to Alabama where he
helps a friend on his senate campaign.

273
00:14:05,945 --> 00:14:08,949
Wait, so he disobeys an order
and then they let him transfer?

274
00:14:09,148 --> 00:14:10,957
Oh, hey, it gets better.

275
00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:13,960
From May 1972 to May 1973...

276
00:14:14,153 --> 00:14:18,624
the record shows there are no points
registered on Bush's record.

277
00:14:18,825 --> 00:14:22,796
Points. They're like hours on a time card
in the Guard.

278
00:14:22,995 --> 00:14:26,807
What it basically means
is that Bush never even showed up.

279
00:14:26,999 --> 00:14:29,912
The Alabama commander,
he has no recollection of him.

280
00:14:30,136 --> 00:14:32,412
No eyewitness can place him
on that base.

281
00:14:32,638 --> 00:14:36,245
Find there is no paperwork
to prove that he was ever there.

282
00:14:36,476 --> 00:14:39,480
So you're telling me that
the president of the United Slates...

283
00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,252
may have gone AWOL from the military
for over a year?

284
00:14:43,483 --> 00:14:44,826
We have no proof of that.

285
00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:46,924
[SCOFFS]

286
00:14:47,153 --> 00:14:50,191
- What does the White House say?
- That Bush served honorably...

287
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,700
and military records go missing
all the time.

288
00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,771
Military records do not go missing
all the time.

289
00:14:55,995 --> 00:14:58,839
They're the military.
They are good at shit.

290
00:14:59,031 --> 00:15:04,071
Now, the next time Bush appears on the
official record is in July of 1973...

291
00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:05,943
when he shows up for drills.

292
00:15:06,172 --> 00:15:09,346
And then in September of 1973...

293
00:15:09,542 --> 00:15:14,753
he requests and he is granted
an early discharge. Why?

294
00:15:14,947 --> 00:15:19,293
So that he can attend
Harvard Business School.

295
00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:22,227
So he asks to quit nine months early
and they just let him.

296
00:15:22,388 --> 00:15:25,028
So, what are the questions
we're looking to answer?

297
00:15:25,224 --> 00:15:28,296
One, did Bush go into the Guard
to avoid going to Vietnam?

298
00:15:28,528 --> 00:15:32,635
Not to be cynical, but who didn't try to get
into the Guard to avoid 'Nam back then?

299
00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:34,538
Me.

300
00:15:34,801 --> 00:15:37,975
Bush's trainer in the 147th
said he wanted to go to Vietnam.

301
00:15:38,204 --> 00:15:42,653
There's only one document that deals
with that in the official record.

302
00:15:42,875 --> 00:15:47,381
On the question
of desiring overseas transfer...

303
00:15:47,914 --> 00:15:48,949
Bush checked no.

304
00:15:49,148 --> 00:15:52,061
Bush's trainer said
that must have been a mistake.

305
00:15:52,251 --> 00:15:56,063
- Because that's a question you get wrong.
- Two, why did he skip his physical?

306
00:15:56,255 --> 00:15:59,998
Well, ifs not like he had a drug problem.
He just liked the way it smelled.

307
00:16:00,226 --> 00:16:02,263
MAPES: Okay, three.

308
00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:06,740
If someone did get him into the Guard,
then who?

309
00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,781
How the hell do we get them
to go on the record?

310
00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,779
WOMAN <i>[ON TV]:
Forty-one percent say...</i>

311
00:16:12,939 --> 00:16:15,783
<i>they want Mr. Bush reelected,
while 51 percent don't.</i>

312
00:16:15,942 --> 00:16:19,355
Is it that time of year again already...

313
00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:25,120
when I have to fend off the advances
of a beautiful woman such as yourself?

314
00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:30,825
Governor, you got the president of the
United States into the National Guard.

315
00:16:31,023 --> 00:16:34,436
I mean, my God,
I find that very impressive.

316
00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:37,507
Ha. It is impressive, isn't it?

317
00:16:37,697 --> 00:16:39,438
Come on TV, tell us all about it.

318
00:16:39,599 --> 00:16:42,375
<i>Oh, we both knew if I ever said that...</i>

319
00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:47,210
"about Texas' favorite son on camera,
I'd be run out of Austin on a rail."

320
00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,181
No, sorry, Mary.

321
00:16:49,375 --> 00:16:52,686
Johnny's gonna win this thing, anyway.

322
00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,653
<i>MAPES:
Barnes is still</i> a <i>no. Who's next?</i>

323
00:16:57,116 --> 00:17:00,120
Colonel Jerry Killian.
Bush's CO in the 111th.

324
00:17:00,319 --> 00:17:02,560
If anyone will know what really went on,
he will.

325
00:17:02,788 --> 00:17:04,028
Small problem there.

326
00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:06,396
- Which is?
- Killian's dead.

327
00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:07,727
Huh.

328
00:17:08,494 --> 00:17:11,202
- That's a pickle.
MAPES: Who's next?

329
00:17:11,397 --> 00:17:12,535
LUCY: General Buck Staudt.

330
00:17:12,732 --> 00:17:16,305
Former CO
of Bush's 147th Interceptor Squadron.

331
00:17:16,502 --> 00:17:18,743
<i>STAUDT: George was
one of the best pilots I ever had.</i>

332
00:17:18,971 --> 00:17:21,178
<i>So Tm gonna respectfully invite you
to go fuck yourself.</i>

333
00:17:21,741 --> 00:17:22,981
[LINE DISCONNECTS]

334
00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:24,649
General Bobby Hodges...

335
00:17:24,844 --> 00:17:28,587
succeeded Staudt as commander
of the 147th, Killian's direct supervisor.

336
00:17:28,814 --> 00:17:30,487
MRS. HODGES: My husband says...

337
00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:32,011
<i>no strings were pulled for him.</i>

338
00:17:32,151 --> 00:17:34,392
<i>Now, please stop calling our house.</i>

339
00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:36,534
[LINE DISCONNECTS]

340
00:17:36,722 --> 00:17:38,998
LUCY:
Maurice Udell, Bush's flight instructor.

341
00:17:39,191 --> 00:17:40,864
UDELL [OVER <i>PHONE]:
No strings were pulled for him.</i>

342
00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,460
<i>I thought he'd be</i> a <i>great American
and</i> a <i>great fighter pilot.</i>

343
00:17:43,596 --> 00:17:45,098
[LINE DISCONNECTS]

344
00:17:45,932 --> 00:17:47,377
Tom Honeycutt.

345
00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:49,410
<i>HONEYCUTT:
No strings were putted.</i>

346
00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:50,912
[LINE DISCONNECTS]

347
00:17:51,671 --> 00:17:52,877
Albert Lloyd.

348
00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,272
<i>LLOYD: No strings were putted.</i>

349
00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:55,341
[LINE DISCONNECTS]

350
00:17:55,541 --> 00:17:56,576
Motherf--

351
00:17:57,910 --> 00:17:58,945
[SIGHS]

352
00:17:59,178 --> 00:18:00,521
Bill Hollowell.

353
00:18:00,713 --> 00:18:02,056
<i>HOLLOWELL:
No strings were putted.</i>

354
00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:04,194
<i>And even if they were, it's a non issue,.</i>

355
00:18:04,383 --> 00:18:06,863
<i>Hey! Hey! Move, you son of</i> a <i>bitch!</i>

356
00:18:07,019 --> 00:18:09,021
[CAR HORN HONKING OVER PHONE]

357
00:18:11,257 --> 00:18:13,259
[SIGHS]

358
00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:16,273
<i>MAPES:
It was like they were given talking points.</i>

359
00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:19,103
<i>[OVER SPEAKERPHONE] He was</i>
a <i>great guy, no strings were pulled.</i>

360
00:18:19,298 --> 00:18:22,768
Well, devil's advocate, Mary.
What if no strings were pulled?

361
00:18:22,969 --> 00:18:25,279
You know who else was in the 147th?

362
00:18:25,471 --> 00:18:26,711
Lloyd Bentsen's son...

363
00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:29,477
John Connally's son,
both of Sid Adger's sons...

364
00:18:29,709 --> 00:18:32,883
H.L. Hunt's grandson,
the heirs to the Sakowitz fortune...

365
00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,060
<i>and half the starting line
of the Dallas Cowboys.</i>

366
00:18:36,248 --> 00:18:38,228
Yeah, I'm sure ifs just a coincidence.

367
00:18:38,751 --> 00:18:40,924
So, what's our next move?

368
00:18:42,922 --> 00:18:45,163
I have no idea.

369
00:18:46,092 --> 00:18:48,766
MAN 1: <i>I served with John Kerry.
- I served with John Kerry.</i>

370
00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:52,408
<i>Kerry has not been honest
about what happened in Vietnam.</i>

371
00:18:52,598 --> 00:18:53,770
<i>He is lying about his record.</i>

372
00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:57,175
<i>MAN 2: I know John Kerry is lying
about his first Purple</i> Heart...

373
00:18:57,403 --> 00:18:58,814
<i>"because I treated him."</i>

374
00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:01,076
<i>MAN</i> 3:
<i>John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star.</i>

375
00:19:01,273 --> 00:19:02,874
<i>I know, I was there,
I saw what happened.</i>

376
00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:04,079
[CELL PHONE BUZZING]

377
00:19:04,276 --> 00:19:07,746
<i>MAN 4: His account of what happened
and what actually happened...</i>

378
00:19:07,947 --> 00:19:10,518
<i>are the difference
between night and day.</i>

379
00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:12,286
Yeah? MARK: Who is that?

380
00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,294
My secret lover, go back to sleep.

381
00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:17,593
<i>MIKE:
Have you ever heard of Linda Starr?</i>

382
00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:18,958
Mm-hm.

383
00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:22,696
<i>She runs this website, it's like
a Gearing house for anti-Bush stuff.</i>

384
00:19:22,928 --> 00:19:27,001
<i>She's hinting documents
are gonna be leaked soon.</i>

385
00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:29,110
What kind of documents?

386
00:19:30,136 --> 00:19:32,138
ASSISTANT:
Mary Mapes is on line two.

387
00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:33,976
Thank you.

388
00:19:35,207 --> 00:19:37,483
- Mary.
MAPES: <i>I think we've got something.</i>

389
00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:39,782
Anti-Bush, Internet rabble-rouser.

390
00:19:39,979 --> 00:19:44,894
Oh, God, I talked to her for three hours,
but she put me in touch with her source.

391
00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:47,324
A colonel
who says he may have access...

392
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,126
to missing documents
in Bush's purged Guard file.

393
00:19:50,289 --> 00:19:51,223
Sounds promising.

394
00:19:51,249 --> 00:19:53,887
I got Mike Smith talking
to him right now.

395
00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:56,904
<i>- Milk?
- Get a look at those documents.</i>

396
00:19:57,129 --> 00:20:00,508
And do some background on the colonel,
make sure he isn't nuts.

397
00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:02,702
[KIDS SCREAMING
AND PEOPLE CHATTERING]

398
00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:06,343
Thank you.

399
00:20:06,672 --> 00:20:08,481
- WAITRESS: Enjoy.
- Thank you.

400
00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:12,421
Ahem. No. I saw it.

401
00:20:12,812 --> 00:20:16,658
I saw it with my own two eyes. Those
parts of Bush's file they didn't like...

402
00:20:16,849 --> 00:20:19,557
- ...they tossed in the wastebasket.
- Do you have these?

403
00:20:19,752 --> 00:20:23,529
Bill tried to talk about this in 2000,
someone ran us off the road one night.

404
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:27,694
- I ain't scared of them.
- Well, I am. I am scared.

405
00:20:28,194 --> 00:20:32,609
All right, uh, let's say
I have the documents.

406
00:20:32,932 --> 00:20:36,903
Why should I show them to you?
Why not one of the newspapers?

407
00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:40,744
- Because nobody reads newspapers.
- One of the other networks, then.

408
00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:43,716
Don't know if you've noticed,
there's not too many people...

409
00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:46,049
who actually do
what we do anymore.

410
00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,249
We're 60 Minutes.
We're the gold standard.

411
00:20:49,448 --> 00:20:51,359
We can help you.

412
00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:54,455
Look, you come on camera...

413
00:20:54,687 --> 00:20:56,633
No. No. No cameras.

414
00:20:56,856 --> 00:20:58,392
Our name stays out of this.

415
00:20:58,557 --> 00:21:01,094
They will destroy us for this,
don't you understand?

416
00:21:01,293 --> 00:21:05,139
Nicki, listen.
I know what ifs like to be bullied.

417
00:21:05,364 --> 00:21:08,709
To feel like they're too strong,
and you're small and powerless.

418
00:21:08,901 --> 00:21:10,539
But you're not.

419
00:21:10,736 --> 00:21:12,738
And doing this will show them that.

420
00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:14,311
Now, I promise...

421
00:21:14,540 --> 00:21:17,146
we will protect you.

422
00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,294
♪♪♪

423
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:53,186
- These are signed by Jerry Killian.
- Yes, they are.

424
00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:55,621
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

425
00:21:56,615 --> 00:21:58,816
BURKETT: The first one says
that Bush made no attempt...

426
00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:01,828
to meet his training certification.

427
00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:05,298
That is a big difference
than just missing his physical.

428
00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:08,938
And the second one
refers to his pilot position as critical.

429
00:22:09,128 --> 00:22:12,871
Well, Bush said he stopped flying
because they no longer needed pilots.

430
00:22:13,098 --> 00:22:16,705
Mm-hm. But this document
would prove that statement untrue.

431
00:22:16,936 --> 00:22:19,644
Can you think of anybody
who'd wanna fool you with these...

432
00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:21,876
like a political dirty trick?

433
00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:25,815
I can't think of anyone
who would hate me that much.

434
00:22:26,011 --> 00:22:28,389
And do you have the originals
of these?

435
00:22:28,614 --> 00:22:31,288
No. No, I was only given copies.

436
00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:35,624
And don't ask me where I got them,
I'm not gonna tell you anything else.

437
00:22:35,821 --> 00:22:38,995
You get your own experts if you want to,
you have them look at them.

438
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,000
BOTH: We will.

439
00:22:42,828 --> 00:22:44,739
September 15th,
we don't have a show.

440
00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:46,841
<i>CBS is running
The Billy Graham Crusade.</i>

441
00:22:47,032 --> 00:22:48,568
MAPES [OVER SPEAKERPHONE]:
What <i>about</i> the <i>22nd?</i>

442
00:22:48,734 --> 00:22:51,237
Preempted again. Dr. Phil special.

443
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:53,882
So our air date is decided
by an unholy confluence...

444
00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,383
between Billy Graham
and Dr. Phil McGraw?

445
00:22:56,809 --> 00:22:59,813
- Jesus.
- News doesn't pay the bills.

446
00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:01,556
There is one more option.

447
00:23:01,914 --> 00:23:05,157
- The 8th.
- As in five days from now?

448
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:09,692
<i>- If you don't think...
- I need interviews.</i>

449
00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:13,359
I need to get the whole team to New York
and I need... First, I need Dan.

450
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:14,731
Where is he?

451
00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:18,898
<i>Hurricane Frances
is pounding the Florida coast...</i>

452
00:23:19,098 --> 00:23:22,545
<i>harder than</i> a <i>strongman trying
to win</i> a <i>Kewpie doll at</i> a <i>carnival!</i>

453
00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:24,772
I'm gonna kill him.

454
00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:30,114
You may not have to.

455
00:23:30,609 --> 00:23:35,024
Maybe I can get him on a puddle jumper
to Austin for the Strong interview.

456
00:23:35,214 --> 00:23:39,594
I got an e-mail from the colonel about
the documents saying, "I feel better."

457
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:43,627
[PHONE RINGS]

458
00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:45,699
- Yeah?
- A memorandum for record...

459
00:23:45,891 --> 00:23:47,529
is a memo to nobody, right'?

460
00:23:47,726 --> 00:23:49,535
<i>So why does Killian file them?</i>

461
00:23:49,695 --> 00:23:53,575
Well, Killian knows suspending a guy
this protected is a big deal.

462
00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:57,771
He's trying to do the right thing here, but
he needs a paper trail to insulate himself.

463
00:23:57,970 --> 00:24:01,816
Which means Bush's protection
must've come from higher up than Killian.

464
00:24:02,975 --> 00:24:04,420
You're thinking Hodges?

465
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:08,217
He was Killian's direct supervisor.
I'll call you back.

466
00:24:09,748 --> 00:24:11,625
[RINGING]

467
00:24:17,423 --> 00:24:19,743
<i>MAN [ON RECORDING]: You have
reached the Hodges' residence.</i>

468
00:24:19,758 --> 00:24:21,760
<i>Please leave a message.</i>

469
00:24:22,661 --> 00:24:24,902
<i>MAPES: General Hodges,
Mary Mapes from</i> 60 <i>Minutes.</i>

470
00:24:25,097 --> 00:24:27,475
I was wondering
if you could give me a call back.

471
00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:29,737
Holy shit!

472
00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:34,351
Oh, ho, ho, you gotta see this.
It's a video from a cell phone...

473
00:24:34,573 --> 00:24:37,019
at a Democratic fundraiser.

474
00:24:37,242 --> 00:24:38,243
[LAUGHING]

475
00:24:38,444 --> 00:24:39,565
<i>Now... Thank you. Thank you.</i>

476
00:24:39,678 --> 00:24:43,455
<i>Now, let's talk about John Kerry
and George Bush...</i>

477
00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:46,653
<i>- Is that Ben Barnes?
BARNES: And I'm not name-dropping.</i>

478
00:24:46,819 --> 00:24:47,991
[BARNES LAUGHS]

479
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:51,464
<i>You see, I got a young man
named George Bush...</i>

480
00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:53,377
<i>into the Air National Guard
when I was...</i>

481
00:24:53,525 --> 00:24:55,835
<i>- . "lieutenant governor of Texas'"
- Oh...</i>

482
00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:58,770
<i>Now, I'm not necessarily
proud of that, but...</i>

483
00:24:58,964 --> 00:25:00,671
Holy shit!

484
00:25:00,866 --> 00:25:05,542
I didn't know they were taping me.
Did you see it? I looked like shit!

485
00:25:05,771 --> 00:25:10,117
- I thought you looked wonderful, Ben.
- Oh, don't you start.

486
00:25:10,275 --> 00:25:13,449
The cat's already out of the bag
and your man Kerry's 10 points down.

487
00:25:13,645 --> 00:25:17,491
We're airing this piece in five days.
Are you in or not?

488
00:25:18,217 --> 00:25:20,959
- We got him! We got Barnes!
- Burkett just called.

489
00:25:21,153 --> 00:25:24,157
- He's got more memos to hand off.
- We need to find his source.

490
00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:26,199
- Okay.
- Be at the airport in the morning.

491
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:29,498
<i>- I'll</i> fax you when I get there.
- Yes!

492
00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:36,377
RATHER: "Bush wasn't here during rating
and I don't have any feedback..."

493
00:25:36,568 --> 00:25:43,144
from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate.
Austin is not happy either."

494
00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:46,752
"Bush was not here
during rating period."

495
00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:51,928
They're trying to get Killian to file a
rating for Bush while he wasn't even on base.

496
00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:55,729
This is proof he was AWOL.

497
00:26:00,526 --> 00:26:02,597
Who do I talk to first?

498
00:26:02,828 --> 00:26:06,833
Is there any doubt in your mind
that these memos are genuine?

499
00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:11,342
Well, they are compatible with the way
business was done at that time.

500
00:26:11,537 --> 00:26:14,780
They are compatible with the man
that I remember Jerry Killian being.

501
00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,783
And what do you think Colonel Killian
was trying to do?

502
00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:20,684
I think he was trying
to get a duty performed...

503
00:26:20,879 --> 00:26:25,225
and he was trying to protect himself
because of the political environment.

504
00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:29,797
So political considerations
were a major force in the Guard?

505
00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:38,537
It verged on outright corruption,
the favors that were done...

506
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:41,108
the power that was traded.

507
00:26:41,533 --> 00:26:44,139
From a moral and ethical standpoint...

508
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:46,747
it was unconscionable.

509
00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:51,243
Let's go to New York.

510
00:27:00,385 --> 00:27:02,763
I didn't get a chance
to introduce myself.

511
00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:05,128
- Dan Rather.
- No shit.

512
00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:08,134
I mean, I'm Mike Smith. I'm familiar...

513
00:27:08,327 --> 00:27:11,501
I mean... I... I... I'm... Hello.

514
00:27:12,164 --> 00:27:15,737
You know, Mary tells me you're the one
that calls me "the old man."

515
00:27:15,934 --> 00:27:21,077
Well, I... I really wish
she hadn't shared that with you.

516
00:27:22,574 --> 00:27:26,454
Look, I appreciate the hard work
you're doing on this.

517
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:29,251
Asking questions, that's important.

518
00:27:29,448 --> 00:27:31,826
Some people are gonna say
it doesn't matter.

519
00:27:32,017 --> 00:27:34,964
One side or the other's always gonna say
you're being partisan.

520
00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:38,499
But you stop asking questions,
that's when the American people lose.

521
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:41,330
Now, that may sound hokey,
but I believe it.

522
00:27:41,627 --> 00:27:43,664
So keep it up.

523
00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:48,208
<i>Y- Yeah-Or no. Thank you.</i>

524
00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:51,039
- You're welcome.
- Heh.

525
00:27:53,338 --> 00:27:55,477
You know what's crazy?

526
00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:58,381
Many things are crazy.

527
00:27:58,610 --> 00:28:02,649
Tell me specifically
what you feel is crazy.

528
00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:06,159
The fact that they kept this secret
for so long.

529
00:28:09,655 --> 00:28:13,694
You do know why Mary didn't get
this story done in 2000, don't you?

530
00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:15,236
Uh-uh.

531
00:28:19,631 --> 00:28:21,838
Mary's mother died...

532
00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:24,139
right in the middle of it.

533
00:28:24,736 --> 00:28:28,548
And then the story never got finished
and the election happened.

534
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:33,246
An election that was decided
by 537 votes.

535
00:28:33,912 --> 00:28:34,982
I think...

536
00:28:35,747 --> 00:28:38,694
that if Mary's mother
hadn't died that summer...

537
00:28:38,884 --> 00:28:42,730
there's a real good chance that
Al Gore would be president right now.

538
00:28:42,921 --> 00:28:44,923
♪♪♪

539
00:28:46,592 --> 00:28:48,902
DANA:
And what about her father?

540
00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:55,075
Mary's father
is a drunken piece of shit...

541
00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:58,441
who hated himself so much,
he beat his own daughters.

542
00:29:00,239 --> 00:29:04,187
The more outspoken they were,
she <i>says,</i> the harder he hit them.

543
00:29:04,376 --> 00:29:07,289
- So how do you think she fared?
- She would get beat up...

544
00:29:07,512 --> 00:29:10,755
- ...for asking questions?
- That's right.

545
00:29:11,617 --> 00:29:14,564
And this is what she does for a living?

546
00:29:15,187 --> 00:29:17,360
People are funny sometimes.

547
00:29:19,057 --> 00:29:22,527
It's part of what's between her and Dan,
I think.

548
00:29:22,728 --> 00:29:25,265
Why they work so well together.

549
00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:28,544
It's why they need each other.

550
00:29:33,205 --> 00:29:35,481
Fathers and daughters.

551
00:29:42,814 --> 00:29:44,816
♪♪♪

552
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:50,764
MAN [ON TV]: Whatever <i>it</i> takes.

553
00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:53,163
Tell me about the document examiners.

554
00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:57,397
There are four. Marcel Matley is coming
from San Francisco to do on-camera.

555
00:29:57,596 --> 00:30:00,099
Linda James in Texas
wants to see the originals.

556
00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:02,404
- Yeah, we don't have them.
- I told her.

557
00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:05,081
Jim Pierce in Los Angeles
just started today...

558
00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:08,274
and Emily Will in North Carolina
wants you to call her.

559
00:30:08,473 --> 00:30:09,611
Right. Got it.

560
00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:11,977
<i>WOMAN:
I mink you have a problem.</i>

561
00:30:12,177 --> 00:30:14,282
I've been doing Internet research.

562
00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:18,325
President was in Alabama when
these were written, they can't be true.

563
00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:21,953
Okay. Have you found anything wrong
with the documents themselves?

564
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,863
- Well, no, but...
- Do they appear forged in any way?

565
00:30:26,091 --> 00:30:28,128
- Without the originals...
- That's <i>okay.</i>

566
00:30:28,327 --> 00:30:30,933
You just let me worry
about the investigational side.

567
00:30:31,463 --> 00:30:33,966
I always work the whole thing.

568
00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:37,309
Look, do you know
where these originated?

569
00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:39,880
<i>Establishing chain of custody
would go</i> a <i>long</i> way...

570
00:30:40,038 --> 00:30:42,018
<i>"inward determining authenticity."</i>

571
00:30:42,207 --> 00:30:44,448
Yeah, believe me, we're working on it.

572
00:30:44,643 --> 00:30:48,455
I give you the memos, you verify them,
that was the deal.

573
00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:50,490
You call the Kerry campaign
for me yet?

574
00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:52,787
<i>They cannot lie down
on this Swift Boat shit.</i>

575
00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:58,491
If you could just confirm where you got
the memos from, we would be home free.

576
00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,534
- I told you I cannot go on the record.
- I <i>know.</i>

577
00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:04,139
I know. You wouldn't have to.

578
00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:08,004
You just give me the name.
All right? That's all I need.

579
00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:12,543
George Conn.

580
00:31:13,171 --> 00:31:15,014
<i>- Buddy of mine in the Guard.
- Right.</i>

581
00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:18,518
<i>He was there for the scrubbing.
But you call him, he will deny it.</i>

582
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:21,816
- Thank you.
- Goodbye.

583
00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,592
[RINGS]

584
00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:31,061
<i>MAN [ON RECORDING]:
You have reached the Conn residence.</i>

585
00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:32,224
<i>Please leave a message.</i>

586
00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:33,563
[ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS]

587
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,171
Colonel, this is Mary Mapes
with 60 Minutes.

588
00:31:36,361 --> 00:31:39,205
Was wondering if you could give me
a call at your convenience.

589
00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:43,869
It's regarding a story we're airing
on Wednesday night. Thank you.

590
00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:45,605
- Matley's here.
- Yeah.

591
00:31:45,837 --> 00:31:49,375
I would say, based on
our available handwriting evidence...

592
00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:51,952
yes, this is the same person.

593
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:57,389
This signature on the June 24th document
shows some conspicuous differences.

594
00:31:57,783 --> 00:32:00,889
But it also shows
some inconspicuous...

595
00:32:01,086 --> 00:32:03,464
similarities
to Colonel Killian's handwriting.

596
00:32:03,688 --> 00:32:06,225
Right, and why might
differences like this exist?

597
00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:09,065
The content of the memo
is highly stressful...

598
00:32:09,261 --> 00:32:13,539
Killian telling a higher-up that he
cannot rate Bush during his absence.

599
00:32:13,732 --> 00:32:18,147
This is enough to explain differences
in the pen strokes.

600
00:32:21,306 --> 00:32:23,582
Would you excuse me a moment?

601
00:32:26,978 --> 00:32:29,618
[WHISPERING] It's like watching
paint dry. What am I gonna do?

602
00:32:29,815 --> 00:32:32,819
[WHISPERING] That was in there
somewhere. Think you can get the bite?

603
00:32:33,051 --> 00:32:36,225
- Did I have lint on my jacket?
- Two bottles of whiskey.

604
00:32:36,421 --> 00:32:37,729
Okay.

605
00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:41,266
[CLEARS THROAT]

606
00:32:41,726 --> 00:32:43,797
[IN NORMAL VOICE]
So, sir, are you saying...

607
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:46,408
that if I present this
to the American public...

608
00:32:46,598 --> 00:32:48,805
and say that to the best
of our knowledge...

609
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,574
these documents are all signed
by the same man, am I on solid ground?

610
00:32:56,341 --> 00:32:57,479
Yes.

611
00:32:57,676 --> 00:33:01,123
Matley's a yes. Jim Pierce is a yes.
Emily Will's still working.

612
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,158
Linda James wants more documents,
but she'll defer to Matley.

613
00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:07,626
Dates, contents of the Burkett memos
mesh with the official record.

614
00:33:07,786 --> 00:33:11,427
And I'm having Graphics
mock something up to show it visually.

615
00:33:11,623 --> 00:33:12,931
We don't have it yet.

616
00:33:13,525 --> 00:33:16,938
Somebody has got to confirm
the content of those memos.

617
00:33:17,128 --> 00:33:18,801
Somebody who knew the players.

618
00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,977
No one in the Guard is gonna step up.

619
00:33:21,132 --> 00:33:24,807
Look what happened to Burkett. You talk,
you get your head handed to you.

620
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:26,607
Who were Killian's commanders?

621
00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:30,981
There's Buck Staudt, who figuratively
and literally told me to go fuck myself...

622
00:33:31,176 --> 00:33:33,986
and Bobby Hodges,
who I've left 18 messages for.

623
00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:39,227
Fine, I'll do 19.

624
00:33:48,894 --> 00:33:51,238
You guys feel like pizza?

625
00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:56,737
I really feel like we should
start thinking about pizza.

626
00:33:57,068 --> 00:33:59,514
[RINGING]

627
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:07,648
<i>Man: Hello?</i>

628
00:34:08,179 --> 00:34:11,217
- General Hodges?
- Yeah.

629
00:34:11,516 --> 00:34:12,517
Uh...

630
00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:16,028
This is Mary Mapes with 60 Minutes.

631
00:34:16,321 --> 00:34:19,996
I'd like to speak with you
about some old memos...

632
00:34:20,191 --> 00:34:24,901
I've come across from the 187th
Fighter Interceptor Squadron.

633
00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:29,178
They, uh, appear to...

634
00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:33,372
from the personal files
of Jerry Killian.

635
00:34:35,173 --> 00:34:38,950
Well, I'd like to read them to you,
if that's okay'!

636
00:34:39,177 --> 00:34:40,918
<i>All right.</i>

637
00:34:41,846 --> 00:34:48,525
Okay. Uh, the first one
is dated June 24, 1973.

638
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,260
And the subject is Bush, George W.,
first lieutenant.

639
00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:57,929
"Sir. I got a call from your staff
concerning the evaluation..."

640
00:34:58,129 --> 00:35:00,575
of First Lieutenant Bush
due this month.

641
00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:03,974
His rater is Lieutenant Colonel Harris.

642
00:35:04,202 --> 00:35:08,617
Neither Lieutenant Colonel Harris or I
feel we can rate First Lieutenant Bush...

643
00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:13,278
since he was not training
with the 111th FIS since April 1972.

644
00:35:13,478 --> 00:35:17,949
His recent activity
is outside the rating period.

645
00:35:18,216 --> 00:35:21,925
"Advise me how we
are supposed to handle this."

646
00:35:22,554 --> 00:35:24,397
[HODGES SIGHS]

647
00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:28,097
Okay, um, the...

648
00:35:28,293 --> 00:35:34,244
This one is August 18, 1973
and the subject titled CYA...

649
00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:37,436
which I believe means
"cover your ass"?

650
00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:43,679
Okay. "Staudt has obviously pressured
Hodges more about Bush."

651
00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:46,912
I'm having trouble running interference
and doing my job.

652
00:35:47,112 --> 00:35:51,618
Harris gave me a message today
from Group regarding Bush's OETR...

653
00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:54,160
and Staudt is pushing
to sugarcoat it.

654
00:35:54,352 --> 00:35:57,299
Bush wasn't here
during rating period...

655
00:35:57,489 --> 00:36:00,368
and I don't have any feedback
from 187th in Alabama.

656
00:36:00,592 --> 00:36:02,594
I will not rate.

657
00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:06,264
Austin is not happy today either.

658
00:36:06,464 --> 00:36:08,944
Harris took the call from Group today.

659
00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:12,513
I'll backdate but won't rate.

660
00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:15,116
"Harris agrees."

661
00:36:17,308 --> 00:36:22,519
Sir, are these memos familiar to you?

662
00:36:23,515 --> 00:36:24,516
<i>They are.</i>

663
00:36:24,683 --> 00:36:26,185
♪♪♪

664
00:36:26,384 --> 00:36:31,129
<i>But using someone's personal notes,
that's going overboard.</i>

665
00:36:31,322 --> 00:36:35,168
<i>You're trying 10 make news, create
a story here where there ism one.</i>

666
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,206
MAPES: No, sir,
we're not trying to create anything.

667
00:36:41,299 --> 00:36:43,006
Hold on a minute. Hold.

668
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:45,480
We have it.

669
00:36:47,405 --> 00:36:48,975
RATHER: Tell me the truth...

670
00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:51,484
and the whole truth
about what happened...

671
00:36:51,643 --> 00:36:55,056
with George W. Bush
and the draft and the National Guard.

672
00:36:56,381 --> 00:37:01,694
Sid Adger, a friend of the Bush family,
came to see me...

673
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:05,265
and he asked me
if I would recommend...

674
00:37:05,490 --> 00:37:08,528
George W. Bush
for the Air National Guard.

675
00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:10,400
And I did.

676
00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:13,538
MAPES: I'm concerned about
the sheer amount of story we have.

677
00:37:13,732 --> 00:37:17,236
You know, what if we split it?
You know, run Barnes tomorrow...

678
00:37:17,435 --> 00:37:19,779
and the documents
on the Sunday broadcast.

679
00:37:20,004 --> 00:37:23,952
Sunday's show won't give us the real
estate. Where are we with the rest of it?

680
00:37:24,275 --> 00:37:26,619
Well, I just got an e-mail
from Emily Will.

681
00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:29,121
She has some concerns
about the superscript thing.

682
00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:31,918
Superscript?
It's the raised "th" after the 111.

683
00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:35,929
She was worried that function wasn't available
on military typewriters in the '70s.

684
00:37:36,121 --> 00:37:39,034
But I spoke to Matley,
he said they were available then...

685
00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:41,363
so Emily said she'd defer to him.

686
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:42,697
Good, all right.

687
00:37:42,894 --> 00:37:46,068
Uh, White House will have someone
for on-camera in the morning.

688
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:49,473
I can't send Dan
because of the storm.

689
00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:52,580
That fucking hurricane hates me.

690
00:37:52,771 --> 00:37:56,617
Well, I don't think that I had the right...

691
00:37:56,808 --> 00:37:59,379
to have the power that I had.

692
00:37:59,577 --> 00:38:04,253
To choose who was gonna go to Vietnam
and who was not gonna go to Vietnam.

693
00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:07,953
That's a power in some instances
when I look at those names...

694
00:38:08,153 --> 00:38:12,329
of maybe determining life or death,
and that's not a power I wanna have.

695
00:38:12,657 --> 00:38:17,265
Too strong or not,
to say you're ashamed of it now?

696
00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:22,411
Oh, I think that that would be
an appropriate thing.

697
00:38:22,567 --> 00:38:23,671
♪♪♪

698
00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:26,577
<i>I'm very, very sorry.</i>

699
00:38:27,071 --> 00:38:29,073
[CLOCK TICKING ON TV]

700
00:38:31,943 --> 00:38:32,978
What's it running?

701
00:38:33,178 --> 00:38:36,591
It's 60 minutes, at least three over.

702
00:38:36,781 --> 00:38:39,819
Some of the document stuffs a little slow,
you can trim there.

703
00:38:40,018 --> 00:38:43,488
How about flipping it, open with Barnes,
then do the documents?

704
00:38:43,688 --> 00:38:45,258
Keep it chronological.

705
00:38:45,456 --> 00:38:47,493
MAPES: Mm-hm.
- You've got three hours.

706
00:38:47,692 --> 00:38:49,672
Okay. MAPES: Right.

707
00:38:49,861 --> 00:38:52,273
<i>MATLEY [ON SCREEN]: Now, this
signature, on the June 24th document...</i>

708
00:38:52,463 --> 00:38:54,602
<i>shows some
conspicuous differences.</i>

709
00:38:54,799 --> 00:38:57,370
<i>But it also shows
some inconspicuous...</i>

710
00:38:57,602 --> 00:38:59,639
No. Go back. It's still too long.

711
00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:03,183
- Go back to the bit where he's...
- You've gotta lose Matley.

712
00:39:03,374 --> 00:39:05,684
We're 40 seconds over,
and he's a shit interview.

713
00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:07,448
The meshing graphic doesn't work.

714
00:39:07,645 --> 00:39:11,320
It shows where the new documents fall in
with the originals. If we lose that...

715
00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:14,019
Poorly. Look, we're out of time.

716
00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:16,699
It's your call. What do you wanna do?

717
00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:19,300
♪♪♪

718
00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:21,894
Cut it.

719
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,044
- We need to output in two minutes.
- I know.

720
00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:38,149
If we don't start outputting,
we're not gonna have a show.

721
00:39:39,844 --> 00:39:43,087
- Lock it and start outputting.
- If there's a computer hiccup...

722
00:39:43,314 --> 00:39:46,557
- Tom, I worship you, but shut the fuck up.
- Heh. Okay. All right.

723
00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:49,556
<i>MAN</i> [ON <i>TV]:
Eighteen new castaways...</i>

724
00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:51,401
<i>will face their toughest challenge yet.</i>

725
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:56,197
Survivor: Vanuatu premieres Thursday
at 8, <i>7</i> Central. <i>Only</i> on CBS.

726
00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,840
<i>Somebody's gonna get burned.</i>

727
00:39:59,097 --> 00:40:00,872
[CLOCK TICKING ON TV]

728
00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:06,909
<i>The military records of the two men
running for president...</i>

729
00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:10,382
<i>have become pan'
of the political arsenal in this campaign.</i>

730
00:40:10,575 --> 00:40:13,112
<i>A tool for building up or blowing</i> up...

731
00:40:13,344 --> 00:40:17,952
<i>each candidate's credibility
as America's next commander-in-chief.</i>

732
00:40:18,182 --> 00:40:22,187
<i>While Senator Kerry has been targeted
for what he did in combat in Vietnam...</i>

733
00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:25,800
<i>President Bush has been criticized
for avoiding Vietnam...</i>

734
00:40:26,024 --> 00:40:30,268
by <i>landing</i> a <i>much sought-after spot
in the Texas Air National Guard...</i>

735
00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:35,943
<i>and then, apparently, failing to meet
some of his obligations in the Guard.</i>

736
00:40:36,134 --> 00:40:40,446
<i>Did then Lieutenant Bush
fulfill all his military commitments?</i>

737
00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:44,780
<i>And just how did he land that coveted
slot in the Guard in the first place?</i>

738
00:40:44,976 --> 00:40:47,081
<i>Tonight, we have new documents...</i>

739
00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:50,487
<i>and new information
on the presidents military service.</i>

740
00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:53,489
<i>And the first interview
with the man who says...</i>

741
00:40:53,718 --> 00:40:56,392
<i>he pulled the strings
to get young George W. Bush...</i>

742
00:40:56,587 --> 00:40:58,260
<i>into the Texas Air National Guard.</i>

743
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:00,629
♪♪♪

744
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:23,314
[INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE]

745
00:41:31,622 --> 00:41:33,624
♪♪♪

746
00:42:11,796 --> 00:42:15,141
[INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE]

747
00:42:20,738 --> 00:42:24,049
<i>The president's time
in the National Guard reemerged today.</i>

748
00:42:24,242 --> 00:42:27,485
<i>He enlisted in Texas,
transferred is Alabama...</i>

749
00:42:27,678 --> 00:42:31,558
- ...and got out <i>early</i> to attend...
- This is what our business has become.

750
00:42:31,749 --> 00:42:35,754
Reporting on reporting. I mean,
why go to the trouble of breaking news...

751
00:42:35,987 --> 00:42:40,663
when all you have to do is just talk
about other people breaking news, huh?

752
00:42:41,192 --> 00:42:44,173
Thirty minutes from now, someone
somewhere is gonna be doing...

753
00:42:44,362 --> 00:42:48,674
a story about this guy
doing a story about us.

754
00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:50,634
You know what?
They're all gonna get Peabodys.

755
00:42:50,768 --> 00:42:52,076
[CELL PHONE RINGS]

756
00:42:52,270 --> 00:42:53,943
This one mattered.

757
00:42:56,441 --> 00:42:59,217
It was great. Even the kid liked it.

758
00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:00,684
Oh, really?

759
00:43:00,878 --> 00:43:03,358
<i>Yeah. Yeah, you're</i> a <i>hell
of</i> a <i>reporter, babe.</i>

760
00:43:03,514 --> 00:43:05,221
[CHUCKLES]

761
00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:07,623
All right, well, I'll be home tomorrow.

762
00:43:07,852 --> 00:43:09,297
Okay, fly safe.

763
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:12,260
- All right, I love you.
- Bye.

764
00:43:14,525 --> 00:43:16,527
♪♪♪

765
00:43:16,727 --> 00:43:18,035
[INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE]

766
00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:50,800
- BETSY: Hey, Mary?
- Mm-hm?

767
00:43:50,962 --> 00:43:53,568
Um, what's going on? Because these...

768
00:43:53,764 --> 00:43:58,076
These blogs are saying the memos can
be re-created exactly in Microsoft Word.

769
00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:02,777
- Who's saying this?
- Well, it's a conservative website, but...

770
00:44:03,841 --> 00:44:06,947
"Every one of these memos
is in proportionally spaced font."

771
00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:09,318
It's probably Palatino
or Times New Roman.

772
00:44:09,914 --> 00:44:12,758
In 1972, typewriters
used monospaced fonts.

773
00:44:12,917 --> 00:44:15,363
Proportionally spaced fonts
did not come into use...

774
00:44:15,586 --> 00:44:18,430
until the introduction
of personal computers.

775
00:44:18,623 --> 00:44:21,126
They were not widespread
until the '90s. Before then...

776
00:44:21,292 --> 00:44:25,934
you needed typesetting equipment.
That wasn't used for personal memos.

777
00:44:26,264 --> 00:44:28,767
I'm saying these documents
are forgeries...

778
00:44:28,966 --> 00:44:32,846
run through a copier
for 15 generations...

779
00:44:33,137 --> 00:44:35,640
"...to make them look old."

780
00:44:38,609 --> 00:44:39,644
Okay.

781
00:44:46,117 --> 00:44:47,892
♪♪♪

782
00:44:48,619 --> 00:44:50,496
Mary?

783
00:44:51,155 --> 00:44:53,396
What the hell is going on?

784
00:44:54,058 --> 00:44:57,699
HOWARD: "Spacing is not just similar,
it is identical in every respect."

785
00:44:57,862 --> 00:45:01,674
Notice that the date lines up perfectly,
the line breaks are in the same places...

786
00:45:01,866 --> 00:45:06,337
all letters line up
with the same letters above and below.

787
00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,642
And the kerning is exactly the same.

788
00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:12,082
And I did not change a single thing
from Word's defaults.

789
00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:18,920
"Margins, type size, tab stops, etcetera,
are all using the default settings."

790
00:45:20,351 --> 00:45:22,661
What the hell are we gonna do?

791
00:45:23,754 --> 00:45:25,256
Due respect, did you fuck up?

792
00:45:25,423 --> 00:45:30,031
We had four document examiners
and not one said the memos weren't real.

793
00:45:30,361 --> 00:45:32,739
Did any of them try typing them
into Microsoft Word?

794
00:45:32,897 --> 00:45:35,070
I don't know,
I'm not a document examiner.

795
00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:39,373
But I'm assuming their job is to make
sure these things weren't whipped up.

796
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,916
- Just because guys on the Internet...
- It's not just the guys on the Internet.

797
00:45:44,108 --> 00:45:45,712
ABC News is going after this.

798
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:48,254
- Nightline.
- You mean they're going after Dan?

799
00:45:48,446 --> 00:45:49,447
Yes.

800
00:45:49,614 --> 00:45:50,888
SCHWARTZ:
Tell them about the superscript.

801
00:45:51,082 --> 00:45:53,722
It's the "th" that pops up
after you type a number.

802
00:45:53,918 --> 00:45:56,956
- Like 111th.
- Yeah. I know what it is. What about it?

803
00:45:57,188 --> 00:46:00,533
Bloggers are saying it's a big red flag
this was done on a computer.

804
00:46:00,725 --> 00:46:03,638
They say it didn't exist
on typewriters in the 1970s.

805
00:46:03,794 --> 00:46:05,314
- Well...
LUCY: One of the examiners...

806
00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:07,602
did raise that concern as well.

807
00:46:08,065 --> 00:46:09,408
Emily Will.

808
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,979
Yeah, but Matley said they did
have them, and she deferred to him.

809
00:46:13,204 --> 00:46:15,377
They will kill us on that alone.

810
00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:19,612
- I don't understand, what do they want?
- They want us to say we're wrong.

811
00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:21,153
Because if we're wrong...

812
00:46:21,379 --> 00:46:25,259
all the questions we've asked
about the president's service go away.

813
00:46:25,583 --> 00:46:27,722
Look. Okay.

814
00:46:27,885 --> 00:46:30,126
We have the document examiners,
okay?

815
00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:32,892
Bob Strong,
who worked at Guard headquarters...

816
00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:36,469
says the memos are written
in the vernacular of the Guard at the time.

817
00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:39,836
And we have Bobby Hodges,
Killian's commanding officer...

818
00:46:39,997 --> 00:46:41,670
who confirmed both the content...

819
00:46:41,899 --> 00:46:44,778
and that they reflected
Killian's state of mind at the time.

820
00:46:44,969 --> 00:46:46,573
We have this story.

821
00:46:46,771 --> 00:46:48,079
Well, make sure.

822
00:46:48,406 --> 00:46:49,908
Reconfirm with everybody.

823
00:46:50,107 --> 00:46:54,146
And find us another goddamn "th"
in the official record.

824
00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:57,148
♪♪♪

825
00:47:01,152 --> 00:47:03,996
We need to find that "th."

826
00:47:07,358 --> 00:47:08,769
[KNOCK ON DOOR]

827
00:47:08,959 --> 00:47:11,496
- MAPES: Hi.
- Yo.

828
00:47:14,298 --> 00:47:17,438
MAPES: You heard?
- Yeah, yeah. It's bullshit.

829
00:47:17,635 --> 00:47:19,308
Pardon my French.

830
00:47:19,503 --> 00:47:23,280
People have attacked me for 30 years,
it's not about to start bothering me now.

831
00:47:23,474 --> 00:47:25,010
Now, are you okay?

832
00:47:25,943 --> 00:47:27,980
We're gonna be in a fight here, Dan.

833
00:47:28,179 --> 00:47:32,855
- I still got a few good ones left in me.
- Did you get your contract sewn up yet?

834
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:36,361
I got the head of the news division
his job, I'm gonna be fine.

835
00:47:36,721 --> 00:47:38,860
You gonna give me something
to hit back with?

836
00:47:39,390 --> 00:47:40,960
Yes, sir.

837
00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:45,835
<i>The blast went off at 10:30 local time
at the Australian Embassy in Jakarta...</i>

838
00:47:46,030 --> 00:47:49,011
<i>killing nine people
and wounding 180.</i>

839
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,340
<i>Jemaah Islamiah,
the Southeast Asian terrorist group...</i>

840
00:47:52,536 --> 00:47:54,709
<i>claimed responsibility for the attack.</i>

841
00:47:54,905 --> 00:47:57,886
MAN <i>[ON</i> TV]: <i>"but several document
experts contacted by ABC News...</i>

842
00:47:58,075 --> 00:48:02,251
<i>have raised serious questions about
the authenticity of these new documents.</i>

843
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,724
<i>They point to the typeface, spacing and
perfectly even imprint of the letters...</i>

844
00:48:06,917 --> 00:48:11,093
<i>that look more like the creation
of</i> a <i>computer than</i> a <i>typewriter.</i>

845
00:48:11,322 --> 00:48:14,235
<i>And there's this,
the little superscript “th. “.</i>

846
00:48:14,425 --> 00:48:17,736
<i>That's something very few typewriters
could do in 1972.</i>

847
00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:19,067
[LINE RINGING]

848
00:48:19,263 --> 00:48:21,209
<i>MAN [ON RECORDING]: You have
reached the Hodges' residence.</i>

849
00:48:21,365 --> 00:48:22,571
<i>Please leave a message.</i>

850
00:48:22,767 --> 00:48:23,768
[ANSWERING MACHINE BEEPS]

851
00:48:24,001 --> 00:48:25,036
General Hodges...

852
00:48:25,236 --> 00:48:29,241
<i>this is Mary Mapes. We need
to get in touch again. Can you call me?</i>

853
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,942
Thank you.

854
00:48:36,447 --> 00:48:38,950
MAN<i>[ON</i> TV]:
<i>Avoid Vietnam has followed him...</i>

855
00:48:39,116 --> 00:48:41,027
<i>since he ran for governor of Texas...</i>

856
00:48:41,218 --> 00:48:42,754
<i>wand Mr. Bush has always denied it.</i>

857
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,026
<i>BUSH:
I enjoyed it and I enjoyed my service...</i>

858
00:48:48,025 --> 00:48:49,629
Nothing.

859
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:54,202
You done with these?

860
00:48:54,365 --> 00:48:55,969
- Never were mine.
- Okay.

861
00:48:57,201 --> 00:49:00,444
<i>WOMAN:
That he was</i> a <i>person who did n...</i>

862
00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:02,743
Staudt was already out of the Guard.

863
00:49:03,774 --> 00:49:05,219
What are you talking about?

864
00:49:05,409 --> 00:49:09,050
The CYA memo,
dated August 18, 1973.

865
00:49:09,246 --> 00:49:14,889
"Staudt has obviously
pressured Hodges more about Bush."

866
00:49:15,219 --> 00:49:17,665
Staudt left the Guard in 1972.

867
00:49:17,888 --> 00:49:20,095
So how the fuck
can he still be pressuring?

868
00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:24,773
Listen, when a commanding officer...

869
00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:29,274
- No, the bloggers are having a field day.
- When a general leaves his posting...

870
00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:32,277
and goes to work for Quantico
on the same base...

871
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:36,577
he still wields an enormous amount of
influence. It doesn't matter when he left.

872
00:49:36,774 --> 00:49:38,776
- Back me up, Roger.
- She's right.

873
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:41,947
Yeah. Right, well, uh...

874
00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:46,259
Forgive me if I don't think everyone
is gonna see it the same way you do.

875
00:49:46,617 --> 00:49:48,619
[MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY
ON TV]

876
00:49:56,827 --> 00:49:57,862
This is bad.

877
00:50:00,698 --> 00:50:05,545
No, when they start asking
to talk to our source...

878
00:50:05,769 --> 00:50:07,680
then it'll be bad.

879
00:50:08,339 --> 00:50:10,842
They're coming for us, Roger.

880
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:33,899
Mm...

881
00:50:34,798 --> 00:50:37,870
[SIGHS THEN CHUCKLES]

882
00:50:40,304 --> 00:50:42,011
I've got one.

883
00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:43,810
MAPES: What?

884
00:50:44,008 --> 00:50:49,082
- I have a superscript "th" here.
MIKE: Ha-ha-ha.

885
00:50:49,313 --> 00:50:51,190
Josh!

886
00:50:52,149 --> 00:50:53,924
♪♪♪

887
00:50:54,351 --> 00:50:57,161
Call Dan,
tell him we just got in the fight.

888
00:50:57,354 --> 00:50:58,924
<i>MAN</i> 1 [ON TV]:
<i>So can the experts say...</i>

889
00:50:59,089 --> 00:51:01,399
<i>George,
positively that these weren't typed...</i>

890
00:51:01,592 --> 00:51:04,072
<i>and couldn't have been made
in the early '70s?</i>

891
00:51:04,228 --> 00:51:07,004
<i>MAN 2: They say all the
clues indicate that. They're not making...</i>

892
00:51:07,197 --> 00:51:11,441
<i>an absolute 100 percent guarantee,
and CBS is still standing by its story.</i>

893
00:51:11,602 --> 00:51:14,742
<i>And in fact, they're also
pointing to another source...</i>

894
00:51:14,939 --> 00:51:16,612
a Colonel Robert Hodges...

895
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,411
<i>“who was an immediate superior
of Mr. Killian,.</i>

896
00:51:19,610 --> 00:51:22,557
<i>They say they read these documents
to Colonel Hodges.</i>

897
00:51:22,746 --> 00:51:25,920
<i>He said, "Sounds like what Killian
was telling me at the time."</i>

898
00:51:26,116 --> 00:51:27,857
<i>Hodges is not speaking to anyone yet.</i>

899
00:51:28,018 --> 00:51:31,431
Because we can't get him
on the fucking phone!

900
00:51:32,256 --> 00:51:34,896
RATHER: Those raising questions
about the documents...

901
00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:37,936
have focused on something
called superscript.

902
00:51:38,128 --> 00:51:41,735
A key that automatically types
a raised "th."

903
00:51:41,932 --> 00:51:47,075
Critics claim typewriters didn't have
that ability in the 1970s, but some did.

904
00:51:47,738 --> 00:51:51,652
In fact, other Bush military records
released by the White House itself...

905
00:51:51,875 --> 00:51:53,821
show the same superscript.

906
00:51:54,044 --> 00:51:56,957
Here's one from 1968.

907
00:51:57,448 --> 00:51:58,791
Some analysts outside CBS...

908
00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:02,829
say they believe the typeface
on these memos is New Times Roman...

909
00:52:03,053 --> 00:52:05,966
which they claim was not available
in the 1970s.

910
00:52:06,156 --> 00:52:09,569
But the owner of the company
that distributes this typing style...

911
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,502
says it has been available since 1931.

912
00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:15,836
Document and handwriting examiner
Marcel Matley...

913
00:52:16,066 --> 00:52:18,603
analyzed the documents
for CBS News.

914
00:52:18,802 --> 00:52:20,645
He says he believes they are real...

915
00:52:20,838 --> 00:52:24,342
but is concerned about
exactly what is being examined...

916
00:52:24,575 --> 00:52:27,613
by some of the people
now questioning the documents.

917
00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:31,452
Because deterioration occurs
each time a document is reproduced.

918
00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:35,791
And the documents being analyzed
outside of CBS had been photocopied...

919
00:52:35,986 --> 00:52:38,125
faxed, scanned and downloaded...

920
00:52:38,322 --> 00:52:42,099
and are far removed
from the documents CBS started with.

921
00:52:42,292 --> 00:52:46,365
Matley did this interview with us
prior to Wednesday's broadcast.

922
00:52:46,597 --> 00:52:50,943
<i>We look basically at what's called
significant or insignificant features...</i>

923
00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:54,139
<i>to determine
whether it's the same person or not.</i>

924
00:52:54,338 --> 00:52:57,285
<i>So I have no problem identifying them.</i>

925
00:52:57,474 --> 00:53:00,785
<i>I would say based on our available
handwriting evidence...</i>

926
00:53:00,978 --> 00:53:03,982
<i>yes, this is the same person.</i>

927
00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:08,152
Matley finds the signatures to be
some of the most compelling evidence.

928
00:53:08,352 --> 00:53:11,026
We talked to him again today
by satellite.

929
00:53:12,122 --> 00:53:16,468
Are you surprised questions come about
these? We're not, but are you surprised?

930
00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:21,506
<i>I knew going in this was dynamite,
one way or the other,.</i>

931
00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:27,047
<i>And I knew that potentially this could do
far more damage to me professionally...</i>

932
00:53:27,237 --> 00:53:28,875
<i>than benefit me.</i>

933
00:53:29,073 --> 00:53:31,314
<i>And... And I knew that.</i>

934
00:53:31,508 --> 00:53:35,513
<i>But-- But we seek the truth.
That's what we do.</i>

935
00:53:35,979 --> 00:53:39,017
<i>You're supposed to put yourself out,
seek the truth...</i>

936
00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:41,560
<i>...and take what comes from it.</i>

937
00:53:42,252 --> 00:53:44,232
<i>RATHER:
Fax he CBS Evening News...</i>

938
00:53:44,421 --> 00:53:45,991
Dan Rather reporting.

939
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:47,669
Good night.

940
00:53:48,025 --> 00:53:50,198
STAGE MANAGER: And we're clear.

941
00:53:52,996 --> 00:53:54,407
[SIGHS]

942
00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:57,738
- I told you I had it in me.
BETSY: I'm calling Andrew right now.

943
00:53:57,935 --> 00:53:59,846
- F.E.A.
- No kidding.

944
00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:02,347
- What'd you think?
- I think you parked it.

945
00:54:03,407 --> 00:54:05,614
Bobby Hodges is on the phone.

946
00:54:08,879 --> 00:54:12,918
General Hodges? This is Mary Mapes.
I've got Dan Rather on the line with me.

947
00:54:13,117 --> 00:54:14,596
HODGES:
Why <i>is</i> The Washington Post...

948
00:54:14,752 --> 00:54:16,732
<i>...describing me
as your trump card in this?</i>

949
00:54:17,521 --> 00:54:19,023
<i>Did you tell them that, Dan?</i>

950
00:54:19,223 --> 00:54:20,725
I did not, sir.

951
00:54:20,924 --> 00:54:25,270
<i>It says</i> a <i>highly placed CBS source
referred to me as your trump card.</i>

952
00:54:25,462 --> 00:54:28,705
Well, sir, that was not me
and it was not Dan.

953
00:54:28,899 --> 00:54:32,369
<i>Well, good, because I'm not.
I've seen all the coverage.</i>

954
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:35,778
<i>And I have to say
I think these memos are fake.</i>

955
00:54:36,306 --> 00:54:37,717
You...? Excuse me?

956
00:54:37,908 --> 00:54:40,548
<i>I do not believe Jerry Killian
wrote those memos.</i>

957
00:54:40,744 --> 00:54:42,417
Sir, when we spoke on...

958
00:54:43,714 --> 00:54:46,820
September 6th... I'm sorry,
I'm just going through my notes.

959
00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:50,896
When we spoke, you said the content
of the memos was familiar to you.

960
00:54:51,054 --> 00:54:52,590
- Is that correct?
- Yes.

961
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:56,670
And that they reflected
Colonel Killian's mind-set at the time.

962
00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:58,396
<i>And they do.</i>

963
00:54:58,796 --> 00:55:01,902
<i>Bu! I hadn't physically seen them.</i>

964
00:55:02,666 --> 00:55:06,614
So, what physically about the memos
makes you now doubt their authenticity?

965
00:55:06,804 --> 00:55:09,580
<i>Jerry's family says
he didn't write them.</i>

966
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:10,775
Uh...

967
00:55:10,941 --> 00:55:13,751
General, the thrust of our story
was about what happened...

968
00:55:13,911 --> 00:55:17,620
with the president's Guard service.
Now, if as you say...

969
00:55:17,815 --> 00:55:20,261
Colonel Killian really did feel
this way...

970
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:24,262
and the things described
in the memos are true...

971
00:55:24,421 --> 00:55:26,298
we'd like to talk to you about that.

972
00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:29,767
<i>I'm just telling you
I now believe the memos are forgeries.</i>

973
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,633
Forget the memos, sir.

974
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:36,778
Is what we presented
about President Bush accurate?

975
00:55:38,769 --> 00:55:42,444
<i>- I don't wanna get in the middle of this.</i>
- Get <i>him to go</i> on <i>camera.</i>

976
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:46,617
Would you be willing if I came to see you
to talk to me on camera?

977
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:47,880
<i>No, Dan, I'm sorry.</i>

978
00:55:48,111 --> 00:55:50,318
<i>Maybe after the election.</i>

979
00:55:50,514 --> 00:55:53,154
<i>- General, if</i> you...
<i>- Look, the family says they're fake.</i>

980
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:56,820
<i>And I'm supporting the family, okay?
I'm sorry.</i>

981
00:55:57,454 --> 00:55:59,331
[LINE DISCONNECTS]

982
00:55:59,690 --> 00:56:01,636
Shit!

983
00:56:01,825 --> 00:56:04,533
All right, what are we doing
about Hodges recanting?

984
00:56:04,728 --> 00:56:06,571
We say we respect General Hodges...

985
00:56:06,797 --> 00:56:09,403
and believed him the first time
we spoke with him.

986
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:13,140
Uh, ABC is reaching out
to two of our examiners.

987
00:56:13,337 --> 00:56:17,217
Emily Will and Linda James. They say
they never authenticated the memos.

988
00:56:17,741 --> 00:56:18,981
Of course they didn't.

989
00:56:19,176 --> 00:56:20,712
- HEYWARD: Why?
- They...

990
00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:22,254
They... They couldn't.

991
00:56:25,182 --> 00:56:28,391
Well, because they're copies.

992
00:56:28,585 --> 00:56:31,896
There's no original ink or paper
to, you know, test.

993
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:35,366
No one can say with 100 percent
certainty they're real or forgeries.

994
00:56:35,525 --> 00:56:37,098
That's why they can attack us.

995
00:56:37,124 --> 00:56:39,692
Except on the Internet,
they are certain...

996
00:56:39,863 --> 00:56:43,037
- Those are lousy wannabe analysts.
- We get lousy analysts of our own.

997
00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:46,578
Our story was about whether Bush's
connections got him into the Guard...

998
00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:49,047
and covered for him
when he missed commitments.

999
00:56:49,206 --> 00:56:50,879
Research we found backs that up.

1000
00:56:51,074 --> 00:56:54,715
The documents, they were a small part.
They were not the point of the story.

1001
00:56:54,912 --> 00:56:57,791
It doesn't matter what the point
of the story was. We have to...

1002
00:56:57,948 --> 00:57:00,019
- They do not get to do this.
HEYWARD: Do what?

1003
00:57:00,217 --> 00:57:04,597
They do not get to smack us
just for asking a fucking question.

1004
00:57:10,761 --> 00:57:12,468
♪♪♪

1005
00:57:14,898 --> 00:57:16,878
HEYWARD: Monday morning...

1006
00:57:18,135 --> 00:57:20,581
I want analysts backing us up.

1007
00:57:21,738 --> 00:57:23,046
Let's go.

1008
00:57:35,218 --> 00:57:36,720
[COMPUTER CHIMES]

1009
00:58:12,522 --> 00:58:13,967
♪♪♪

1010
00:59:03,573 --> 00:59:04,813
[SNIFFLES]

1011
00:59:04,975 --> 00:59:06,852
- MARK: Hey.
- Hey.

1012
00:59:07,911 --> 00:59:09,219
When did you get in?

1013
00:59:09,413 --> 00:59:12,123
I was worried there might
be cameras at the airport.

1014
00:59:12,149 --> 00:59:13,784
Didn't want Robbie to see that.

1015
00:59:14,151 --> 00:59:15,824
God, what are you doing in here?

1016
00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:19,329
- Working.
- Why don't you take a break?

1017
00:59:19,523 --> 00:59:21,662
I'll go get dressed,
we can take a walk.

1018
00:59:21,858 --> 00:59:25,897
No, I don't need to take a fucking walk.
I wanna sit here and do this, okay?

1019
00:59:26,530 --> 00:59:27,531
[SCOFFS]

1020
00:59:27,731 --> 00:59:30,575
This... Okay.

1021
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:34,571
♪♪♪

1022
00:59:37,607 --> 00:59:39,018
[SIGHS]

1023
00:59:48,752 --> 00:59:50,527
I'm sorry.

1024
00:59:51,855 --> 00:59:55,064
- It's okay.
- No, it's not.

1025
00:59:55,258 --> 00:59:59,468
It's just-No matter what I say,
no matter what I do, I'm gonna get hit.

1026
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:04,369
This...

1027
01:00:04,868 --> 01:00:06,745
This is not that.

1028
01:00:10,073 --> 01:00:13,714
When my dad would start in on me,
I would think:

1029
01:00:14,911 --> 01:00:16,549
"I am not gonna cry."

1030
01:00:16,746 --> 01:00:18,657
I am not gonna ask him to stop.

1031
01:00:18,882 --> 01:00:22,056
"I'm not gonna give him the satisfaction
of seeing how much it hurts."

1032
01:00:22,219 --> 01:00:23,823
And he would just go in harder.

1033
01:00:24,054 --> 01:00:28,730
And I would think,
"Someday, I am gonna fight you."

1034
01:00:29,659 --> 01:00:32,333
And I never did.

1035
01:00:38,835 --> 01:00:40,508
MARK: Now.

1036
01:00:42,772 --> 01:00:44,911
You have to fight now.

1037
01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:51,751
<i>Everything that's in those documents
that people are saying can't be done...</i>

1038
01:00:51,948 --> 01:00:55,361
<i>as you said, 32 years ago,
is just totally false.</i>

1039
01:00:55,585 --> 01:00:59,192
<i>Not true. Like I said,
proportional spacing was available.</i>

1040
01:00:59,422 --> 01:01:02,426
<i>Superscripts was available
as a custom feature.</i>

1041
01:01:02,626 --> 01:01:06,506
Go back to the beginning of the list.
I think that's useful, don't you, Roger?

1042
01:01:08,198 --> 01:01:10,007
Word's come down from Andrew.

1043
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,941
They wanna talk to your source.

1044
01:01:12,536 --> 01:01:15,483
Well, what if my source
doesn't wanna talk to them?

1045
01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:17,151
Then you'll convince him.

1046
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:20,947
You're good at convincing people
to do things, aren't you, Mary'?

1047
01:01:23,847 --> 01:01:26,851
I just want you to know how important
your support has been...

1048
01:01:27,017 --> 01:01:28,621
throughout this entire process.

1049
01:01:28,818 --> 01:01:31,560
Call your fucking source, Mary.

1050
01:01:35,392 --> 01:01:37,030
Now...

1051
01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:38,900
it's bad.

1052
01:01:39,129 --> 01:01:41,370
NICKI: You said he wouldn't have to.
- I know, just...

1053
01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:44,910
You'd verify the documents
and he wouldn't have to do anything else.

1054
01:01:45,135 --> 01:01:47,911
Well, it didn't work out that way, did it?

1055
01:01:48,305 --> 01:01:52,344
Oh, I'm sorry, Nicki. I'm just...
I'm ti... I'm just tired.

1056
01:01:53,410 --> 01:01:55,014
Bill did nothing wrong.

1057
01:01:55,212 --> 01:01:56,589
No one's saying he did.

1058
01:01:56,813 --> 01:01:59,487
I just need to get him on the phone
with my boss...

1059
01:01:59,683 --> 01:02:01,356
and tell him what he told me.

1060
01:02:01,551 --> 01:02:03,553
[SIGHS]

1061
01:02:06,223 --> 01:02:08,829
It would mean a lotto Dan.

1062
01:02:09,926 --> 01:02:11,906
Would you, please?

1063
01:02:15,332 --> 01:02:18,609
Bill, this is Andrew Heyward,
I'm the president of CBS News.

1064
01:02:18,835 --> 01:02:20,475
BURKETT [OVER SPEAKERPHONE]:
Is Dan there?

1065
01:02:21,171 --> 01:02:22,741
I'm here, colonel.

1066
01:02:22,939 --> 01:02:25,283
<i>Well, I heard Hodges
turned tail on you. Heh.</i>

1067
01:02:25,508 --> 01:02:27,954
<i>All these guys run from it.</i>

1068
01:02:28,178 --> 01:02:30,954
<i>You know I got health problems.</i>

1069
01:02:31,248 --> 01:02:35,196
I had heard that, which is why I don't
<i>wanna</i> take up too much of your time.

1070
01:02:35,385 --> 01:02:38,298
I was wondering if you could fill me in
on a few things.

1071
01:02:38,521 --> 01:02:39,556
<i>Shoot.</i>

1072
01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:42,430
Well, how you came to be in possession
of the documents.

1073
01:02:42,626 --> 01:02:45,232
You told Mary it was from a man
named George Conn?

1074
01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:49,308
<i>Well, she was bugging me so much
about it, I had to tell her something.</i>

1075
01:02:51,801 --> 01:02:53,712
So that's not accurate?

1076
01:02:53,903 --> 01:02:57,112
- No, sir, it <i>is not.</i>
- Fucking...

1077
01:02:57,307 --> 01:03:00,311
Would you mind telling us
what really happened?

1078
01:03:00,543 --> 01:03:02,386
<i>"I got a sail in March from a guy."...</i>

1079
01:03:02,579 --> 01:03:04,820
who said a <i>woman</i>
named Lucy Ramirez...

1080
01:03:05,048 --> 01:03:06,959
<i>wanted to get in contact with me.</i>

1081
01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:10,791
<i>He told me to call the Houston
Holiday Inn between 7 and 10...</i>

1082
01:03:10,987 --> 01:03:13,263
<i>wand ask for a specific...</i>

1083
01:03:13,456 --> 01:03:15,129
<i>so I did.</i>

1084
01:03:15,325 --> 01:03:18,397
<i>This woman told me
she was supposed to be</i> a <i>go-between...</i>

1085
01:03:18,595 --> 01:03:22,065
<i>a person to deliver</i>
a <i>package of documents to me.</i>

1086
01:03:22,265 --> 01:03:24,836
<i>And I was supposed to copy
the documents...</i>

1087
01:03:25,068 --> 01:03:29,244
<i>and then burn the originals, which
were also copies, and the envelope.</i>

1088
01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:32,087
<i>- [MOUTHING] Bullshit.
BURKETT: Destroy the DNA evidence...</i>

1089
01:03:32,108 --> 01:03:34,145
<i>of where they come from, you see?</i>

1090
01:03:34,344 --> 01:03:35,789
Yeah, of course.

1091
01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:38,482
<i>So she says, "When are you gonna be
in Houston next?</i>

1092
01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:41,629
<i>I tell her, "We're coming to
the livestock show in a few weeks."</i>

1093
01:03:41,951 --> 01:03:43,692
<i>We sell Simmental cattle.</i>

1094
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,527
<i>The show is en excellent way
to advertise our bull semen.</i>

1095
01:03:47,857 --> 01:03:51,669
<i>So the first day at the show,</i>
a <i>dark-skinned fella</i> comes <i>up...</i>

1096
01:03:51,861 --> 01:03:54,467
<i>mend hands me an envelope
and walks</i> away.

1097
01:03:54,631 --> 01:03:56,201
<i>Inside are those memos.</i>

1098
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,476
<i>I burned the rest like he said,.</i>

1099
01:03:59,669 --> 01:04:00,841
<i>Done and done.</i>

1100
01:04:02,672 --> 01:04:06,882
And was this the same man
who talked to you on the phone?

1101
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:10,320
<i>No idea, Maybe.</i>

1102
01:04:10,513 --> 01:04:14,655
And you didn't tell Mary
all this before because...

1103
01:04:14,984 --> 01:04:18,397
<i>Well, I-I said I'd keep it quiet.</i>

1104
01:04:18,621 --> 01:04:22,068
<i>Mary did a good job on this.
Don't judge her too harshly.</i>

1105
01:04:22,292 --> 01:04:23,635
Thanks, Bill.

1106
01:04:23,793 --> 01:04:25,295
[BURKETT SPEAKS IN SPANISH]

1107
01:04:25,628 --> 01:04:28,131
Well, Bill, this is, uh...

1108
01:04:28,998 --> 01:04:30,705
This is pretty amazing stuff.

1109
01:04:31,201 --> 01:04:35,911
I wonder if you'd be willing to come down
and sit and talk about it for us.

1110
01:04:36,139 --> 01:04:38,813
Help clear the air for everyone.

1111
01:04:39,008 --> 01:04:41,921
<i>I don't know. What do you mink, Dan?</i>

1112
01:04:42,312 --> 01:04:46,988
I think they can't hit us any harder
than they already are, colonel.

1113
01:04:47,484 --> 01:04:51,261
I'd go on the record and tell the truth.

1114
01:04:51,421 --> 01:04:53,230
Be done with it.

1115
01:04:58,828 --> 01:05:00,102
<i>Okay.</i>

1116
01:05:00,730 --> 01:05:03,768
My office will make
the necessary arrangements.

1117
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,503
- Thank you for your time.
- Goodbye.

1118
01:05:07,404 --> 01:05:09,406
[SPEAKERPHONE BEEPS]

1119
01:05:11,107 --> 01:05:12,108
[CLEARS THROAT]

1120
01:05:12,275 --> 01:05:13,276
HEYWARD:
We need him on the air soon.

1121
01:05:13,443 --> 01:05:15,423
Betsy. BETSY: Yep.

1122
01:05:22,018 --> 01:05:24,294
Mary, will you hang back a sec?

1123
01:05:32,095 --> 01:05:35,440
With Burkett, there needs to be
a line of questioning about his motives.

1124
01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:39,444
His political leanings, his views
on the president, why he lied.

1125
01:05:39,636 --> 01:05:42,776
People will cover how we cover this.
We need to inoculate ourselves.

1126
01:05:42,939 --> 01:05:45,715
Thou shalt always
protect the company.

1127
01:05:47,277 --> 01:05:49,382
I want Dan to survive this.

1128
01:05:51,281 --> 01:05:52,954
Why wouldn't he survive this?

1129
01:05:56,653 --> 01:06:01,398
If Dan feels like this
is corporate positioning, he won't do it.

1130
01:06:01,591 --> 01:06:03,502
He won't for me.

1131
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,906
He will for you.

1132
01:06:06,830 --> 01:06:08,832
♪♪♪

1133
01:06:18,174 --> 01:06:19,295
MAPES: He's on oxygen, so...

1134
01:06:19,409 --> 01:06:22,253
RATHER: Uh-oh. The vultures are here.
- Oh, Jesus.

1135
01:06:22,412 --> 01:06:23,413
[ALL CLAMORING]

1136
01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:24,991
Dan! Dan!

1137
01:06:25,181 --> 01:06:26,751
- Mary, comment?
- Excuse us, folks.

1138
01:06:26,916 --> 01:06:27,986
Over here. Right here.

1139
01:06:28,418 --> 01:06:31,059
RATHER: Excuse us. Pardon me, ma'am.
MAN 1: Dan, a comment, please.

1140
01:06:31,187 --> 01:06:32,427
Excuse me. MAN 2: Dan!

1141
01:06:32,622 --> 01:06:33,930
RATHER: Excuse us. MAN 2: Dan!

1142
01:06:34,123 --> 01:06:36,933
You broadcasted those fake memos.
You feel duped?

1143
01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:40,137
Can you confirm the memos were typed
on a word processor?

1144
01:06:41,264 --> 01:06:43,335
How would you feel
about betraying the people?

1145
01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:44,706
Just drive. MAN 2: Mary!

1146
01:06:44,934 --> 01:06:47,938
Who the fuck are you people?

1147
01:06:49,706 --> 01:06:50,810
MAPES: You know anybody?

1148
01:06:50,974 --> 01:06:54,854
Yeah, if you could just see if you can
stop it, okay? Just get them to pull it.

1149
01:06:55,044 --> 01:06:56,853
RATHER: Colonel.
MAPES: Yeah. All right. Bye.

1150
01:06:57,046 --> 01:07:00,050
- Where are the Burketts?
- Upstairs, getting ready.

1151
01:07:00,450 --> 01:07:01,895
Dan?

1152
01:07:02,118 --> 01:07:04,189
We need to ask
why he lied to us, okay?

1153
01:07:04,387 --> 01:07:06,526
We need to make sure we get that.

1154
01:07:13,530 --> 01:07:16,374
I just wanted to come say hello
before we get things going.

1155
01:07:16,566 --> 01:07:19,069
Oh, thank you, Dan. I appreciate that.

1156
01:07:19,302 --> 01:07:21,213
RATHER: How do you do, ma'am?
- Hello there.

1157
01:07:21,404 --> 01:07:24,977
Now, look, these things are fairly easy.
We're just gonna sit and talk.

1158
01:07:25,174 --> 01:07:26,346
.Okay-.Okay-

1159
01:07:26,543 --> 01:07:30,355
Now, I will ask you about why you misled
us. I don't want you to be surprised.

1160
01:07:30,513 --> 01:07:32,584
No, I was expecting that.

1161
01:07:32,815 --> 01:07:35,728
- I'm happy to set the record straight.
- Great.

1162
01:07:35,919 --> 01:07:41,198
Now, if you need to stop, need a glass of
water or anything, that's just fine. Okay?

1163
01:07:41,391 --> 01:07:44,099
Okay, if you'll excuse me,
I'm gonna get my war paint on.

1164
01:07:44,327 --> 01:07:46,739
- That's the worst part of this job, makeup.
BURKETT: Ha, ha.

1165
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:49,107
The sound's ready when you are.

1166
01:07:49,766 --> 01:07:52,542
It's gonna be fine, Nicki. Okay?

1167
01:07:55,572 --> 01:07:57,779
Unh. Yep. Unh.

1168
01:07:58,007 --> 01:08:00,954
RATHER:
But you told us a different story.

1169
01:08:01,210 --> 01:08:04,191
To protect the people
who gave me the documents.

1170
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:06,291
Did they ask you to do this?

1171
01:08:06,516 --> 01:08:08,621
They wanted me to burn everything.

1172
01:08:09,352 --> 01:08:13,425
They didn't want people to know
that they were the source on this.

1173
01:08:13,623 --> 01:08:15,796
This man and this mystery woman.

1174
01:08:16,025 --> 01:08:19,700
That's right.
Can I please have some water?

1175
01:08:19,896 --> 01:08:21,876
Oh, of course.

1176
01:08:22,031 --> 01:08:23,772
♪♪♪

1177
01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:25,537
We need a better bite on this.

1178
01:08:25,735 --> 01:08:30,150
So maybe instead of, "Did they ask you to
do this?" say, "Did they ask you to lie?"

1179
01:08:32,775 --> 01:08:34,118
Yeah.

1180
01:08:34,711 --> 01:08:36,952
Yeah. Okay.

1181
01:08:39,248 --> 01:08:43,128
Ahem. Now, we're gonna go back
for a moment.

1182
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:44,389
Okay.

1183
01:08:44,787 --> 01:08:50,066
This man and this mystery woman,
did they ask you to lie to us?

1184
01:08:50,259 --> 01:08:54,799
They didn't want me to say
how I got the documents.

1185
01:08:54,998 --> 01:08:56,636
RATHER: I see.

1186
01:08:56,833 --> 01:09:00,645
- I see. So that's why you misled us?
BURKETT: Yes.

1187
01:09:00,837 --> 01:09:05,115
Your producer was pushing me
to find out where I got the memos from.

1188
01:09:11,014 --> 01:09:12,425
I see.

1189
01:09:12,615 --> 01:09:15,528
So then, that's why you lied to us?

1190
01:09:16,252 --> 01:09:17,629
Yes.

1191
01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:19,424
And I know it caused some...

1192
01:09:19,622 --> 01:09:20,657
[COUGHING]

1193
01:09:20,857 --> 01:09:22,859
Some problems. Excuse me.

1194
01:09:23,092 --> 01:09:26,096
♪♪♪

1195
01:09:49,819 --> 01:09:51,355
[WHISPERS INDISTINCTLY]

1196
01:09:55,458 --> 01:09:56,732
[CLEARS THROAT]

1197
01:10:02,532 --> 01:10:04,012
RATHER: Whenever you're ready.
- Yeah.

1198
01:10:04,067 --> 01:10:05,705
Okay.

1199
01:10:07,704 --> 01:10:10,913
You said you knew that
these memos would cause a problem?

1200
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:15,020
I knew it did,
but I didn't know it at the time.

1201
01:10:15,211 --> 01:10:18,852
I see. Now, again...

1202
01:10:19,082 --> 01:10:22,894
why didn't you tell us the truth
when you gave us those memos?

1203
01:10:23,853 --> 01:10:25,332
To protect people, Dan.

1204
01:10:27,190 --> 01:10:31,263
People who were trying to tell the truth
about what really happened back then.

1205
01:10:33,162 --> 01:10:37,042
And do you believe those
documents are telling the truth?

1206
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,838
Yes. Yes, I do.

1207
01:10:39,235 --> 01:10:42,876
RATHER: I see. I see, So...

1208
01:10:47,944 --> 01:10:50,447
- We already have that.
- I need to make sure we...

1209
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,956
No, we've got it. I'm moving on.

1210
01:11:05,795 --> 01:11:07,297
He's a good guy, you know.

1211
01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:09,601
You think I enjoyed that?

1212
01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:12,906
We should cut something
for the news...

1213
01:11:13,102 --> 01:11:15,582
get it out immediately.
Andrew agrees.

1214
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:19,083
F.E.A.

1215
01:11:20,643 --> 01:11:23,954
You know, you guys and Dan always
say that. What the hell does it mean?

1216
01:11:24,147 --> 01:11:25,387
[KNOCK ON DOOR]

1217
01:11:25,548 --> 01:11:26,583
It's open.

1218
01:11:34,557 --> 01:11:36,230
Excuse me.

1219
01:11:38,294 --> 01:11:39,329
How's Bill?

1220
01:11:41,664 --> 01:11:44,736
Oh, don't you dare ask how Bill is.

1221
01:11:44,901 --> 01:11:48,849
Bill is sick. He's a sick man.
You don't give a damn about him.

1222
01:11:49,405 --> 01:11:52,614
You just spent two hours
trying to destroy him.

1223
01:11:52,809 --> 01:11:55,289
You made him crawl on camera.

1224
01:11:55,478 --> 01:11:58,425
You made him say again and again
that he lied.

1225
01:11:58,614 --> 01:12:01,618
And that still wasn't enough for you.
You wanted more.

1226
01:12:01,784 --> 01:12:04,492
You wanted to blame him
for all the things you did wrong...

1227
01:12:04,654 --> 01:12:06,292
putting this story together.

1228
01:12:06,489 --> 01:12:09,936
You wanna wrap it in a neat package,
say "it's Bill Burkett's fault."

1229
01:12:10,126 --> 01:12:12,265
Well, it's not, and you know it.

1230
01:12:12,461 --> 01:12:14,498
You promised when
we came here to do this...

1231
01:12:14,697 --> 01:12:18,543
that we would get a fair shake,
and we got nothing from you but lies.

1232
01:12:18,768 --> 01:12:21,510
- Nicki...
- You may think I am some stupid hick...

1233
01:12:21,704 --> 01:12:23,945
who doesn't know a damn thing...

1234
01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:27,019
and you're so smart
and such a big shot.

1235
01:12:27,210 --> 01:12:28,553
But I keep my promises...

1236
01:12:28,778 --> 01:12:31,281
and I don't destroy people
to protect myself.

1237
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:34,984
I don't destroy people
and humiliate them...

1238
01:12:35,484 --> 01:12:39,455
and then pretend I give a goddamn
about how they are.

1239
01:12:40,456 --> 01:12:44,495
To answer your question,
Bill is not good.

1240
01:12:44,660 --> 01:12:46,901
But then, you knew that already.

1241
01:12:56,672 --> 01:12:57,707
[SIGHS]

1242
01:12:57,874 --> 01:12:59,876
[DOOR OPENS THEN CLOSES]

1243
01:13:18,527 --> 01:13:19,767
We need to talk.

1244
01:13:20,029 --> 01:13:22,031
♪♪♪

1245
01:13:23,666 --> 01:13:25,009
[KNOCK ON DOOR]

1246
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,582
What are the chances you have
something alcoholic in there?

1247
01:13:34,543 --> 01:13:36,420
Better than average.

1248
01:13:42,919 --> 01:13:44,921
How long have we known each other?

1249
01:13:45,121 --> 01:13:47,226
Oh, Jesus, is it that bad?

1250
01:13:47,423 --> 01:13:49,061
[BOTH SIGH]

1251
01:13:49,859 --> 01:13:52,430
They're gonna start an investigation.

1252
01:13:53,195 --> 01:13:56,369
And CBS wants to appoint
an independent panel...

1253
01:13:56,565 --> 01:13:59,273
to take a look at how the story
was put together.

1254
01:13:59,802 --> 01:14:01,804
And I'm gonna announce it.

1255
01:14:02,471 --> 01:14:03,950
Tomorrow.

1256
01:14:05,908 --> 01:14:10,789
I'm gonna apologize for the story,
on air.

1257
01:14:12,214 --> 01:14:13,955
Andrew asked you to apologize?

1258
01:14:16,419 --> 01:14:18,399
He didn't ask.

1259
01:14:20,389 --> 01:14:24,428
- Dan, that's... It's surrender.
- Ever since Burkett changed his story...

1260
01:14:24,627 --> 01:14:27,904
Andrew feels that CBS
cant afford the risk to its reputation...

1261
01:14:28,097 --> 01:14:29,440
Oh, God. He knew.

1262
01:14:29,598 --> 01:14:32,670
Even before we went down there.
Just wanted to get Burkett on tape.

1263
01:14:32,835 --> 01:14:34,678
Mary, you gotta promise
me something.

1264
01:14:35,504 --> 01:14:36,949
Stop worrying about me.

1265
01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:38,846
Yeah, well, that's not gonna happen.

1266
01:14:39,075 --> 01:14:41,351
You gotta protect yourself now.

1267
01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:44,783
We all do.

1268
01:14:50,086 --> 01:14:52,157
Thank you for the drink.

1269
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:56,792
[DOOR OPENS THEN CLOSES]

1270
01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:06,609
<i>New, news about CBS News...</i>

1271
01:15:06,802 --> 01:15:10,147
<i>wand the questions surrounding
documents we aired on this broadcast...</i>

1272
01:15:10,339 --> 01:15:13,684
<i>and on the Wednesday edition
of 60 Minutes on September the 8th.</i>

1273
01:15:14,844 --> 01:15:18,018
<i>The documents purported to show
George W. Bush received...</i>

1274
01:15:18,214 --> 01:15:22,560
<i>"preferential treatment during his years
in the Texas Air National Guard."</i>

1275
01:15:22,785 --> 01:15:26,289
<i>At the time,
CBS News and this reporter...</i>

1276
01:15:26,489 --> 01:15:29,129
<i>fully believed the documents
were genuine.</i>

1277
01:15:29,392 --> 01:15:31,998
<i>Tonight, after further investigation...</i>

1278
01:15:32,194 --> 01:15:35,573
<i>we can no longer vouch
for their authenticity.</i>

1279
01:15:40,703 --> 01:15:43,240
I'm sorry this was your first story here.

1280
01:15:44,573 --> 01:15:45,711
[SCOFFS]

1281
01:15:45,908 --> 01:15:49,981
Well, I was thinking next week...

1282
01:15:50,579 --> 01:15:53,185
we just have Dan
shoot the president.

1283
01:15:53,382 --> 01:15:55,658
Cause a lot less drama.

1284
01:15:56,318 --> 01:15:58,264
[BOTH CHUCKLE]

1285
01:16:00,689 --> 01:16:05,069
Hey, uh... Hey, Mary, USA <i>Today</i> wants
to know if you put Burkett in touch...

1286
01:16:05,261 --> 01:16:08,242
with the Kerry campaign
in exchange for documents.

1287
01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:14,771
I know what this is about. Josh,
do you remember when I told you...

1288
01:16:15,004 --> 01:16:19,043
Burkett wanted to give the Kerry
campaign advice on the Swift Boat stuff?

1289
01:16:20,042 --> 01:16:22,181
Remember, I wanted
to do a bullshit check...

1290
01:16:22,378 --> 01:16:24,858
after he said he spoke
with Howard Dean.

1291
01:16:25,047 --> 01:16:28,688
And you said that I could contact
the Kerry people to check.

1292
01:16:28,884 --> 01:16:31,387
Then Burkett wanted me
to give him his phone number...

1293
01:16:31,587 --> 01:16:33,760
and you said I could, so...

1294
01:16:33,956 --> 01:16:36,869
So... So I did. Do you...

1295
01:16:37,026 --> 01:16:38,733
Do you not remember any of this?

1296
01:16:40,629 --> 01:16:42,074
I must not have been clear.

1297
01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:46,076
You must have misunderstood
what it was you could do.

1298
01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:48,908
Oh, Jesus Christ, this is, uh...

1299
01:16:49,438 --> 01:16:52,612
This is unbelievable. I mean,
what the fuck else is gonna happen?

1300
01:16:52,808 --> 01:16:54,947
- Be... Betsy...
- No.

1301
01:16:55,377 --> 01:16:59,052
You know what, Mary?
Maybe it's best if you just went home.

1302
01:16:59,248 --> 01:17:01,250
♪♪♪

1303
01:17:18,067 --> 01:17:19,842
<i>RATHER [ON TV]:
The failure of CBS News...</i>

1304
01:17:20,069 --> 01:17:23,778
to <i>properly, fully scrutinize
the documents and their source...</i>

1305
01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:28,922
<i>led to our airing the documents
when we should have not done so.</i>

1306
01:17:29,445 --> 01:17:34,190
<i>Xi was a mistake.
CBS News deeply regrets it.</i>

1307
01:17:34,416 --> 01:17:39,832
<i>Also, I want to say,
personally and directly, I am sorry.</i>

1308
01:17:40,523 --> 01:17:44,972
CBS has hired the firm of Kirkpatrick
<i>&</i> Lockhart Nicholson Graham...

1309
01:17:45,161 --> 01:17:47,607
to conduct a review panel.

1310
01:17:48,264 --> 01:17:49,937
You paper-trailed them.

1311
01:17:50,833 --> 01:17:51,868
Of course.

1312
01:17:52,101 --> 01:17:56,049
They're a big firm, got about a thousand
lawyers headquartered in Seattle.

1313
01:17:56,272 --> 01:17:59,048
They specialize
in internal investigations.

1314
01:17:59,275 --> 01:18:03,348
They're the same ones that Bush brought
in last year to rip apart WorldCom.

1315
01:18:03,546 --> 01:18:04,991
We're as bad as them?

1316
01:18:05,181 --> 01:18:07,855
- Oh, it gets worse.
- The panel...

1317
01:18:08,851 --> 01:18:13,527
will be co-chaired by K & L partner
Richard Thornburgh.

1318
01:18:13,722 --> 01:18:17,169
He's the former governor
of Pennsylvania, first appointed...

1319
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:19,566
as a U.S. attorney
under Richard Nixon.

1320
01:18:19,795 --> 01:18:23,333
Ran for Congress twice.
Defeated both times by Democrats.

1321
01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,638
His second campaign
was run by Karl Rove.

1322
01:18:26,835 --> 01:18:27,870
Yup.

1323
01:18:28,037 --> 01:18:29,482
CHARLES:
But the crown jewel in his résumé...

1324
01:18:29,672 --> 01:18:33,381
is the time served
as U.S. attorney general from '88 to '91

1325
01:18:33,576 --> 01:18:37,023
under former president
George H.W. Bush.

1326
01:18:37,213 --> 01:18:39,022
<i>Jesus.</i>

1327
01:18:40,216 --> 01:18:41,251
Who goes in first?

1328
01:18:41,684 --> 01:18:43,721
First Dan, then me...

1329
01:18:43,919 --> 01:18:48,061
then Lucy, the colonel, then you.

1330
01:18:48,257 --> 01:18:49,531
You're the grand finale.

1331
01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:51,033
And why? Why is that?

1332
01:18:51,227 --> 01:18:54,003
Because they wanna have
as much as they can on you...

1333
01:18:54,196 --> 01:18:56,335
when they sit you down in that chair.

1334
01:18:59,235 --> 01:19:01,112
Holy shit.

1335
01:19:01,837 --> 01:19:03,077
[PHONE RINGS]

1336
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,244
MARK: Yeah, I'm sorry.
She's not speaking to reporters.

1337
01:19:07,843 --> 01:19:10,847
- It's Heyward.
- If they put someone else on, hang up.

1338
01:19:11,614 --> 01:19:14,561
They can't fire you if they
don't have a witness on the line.

1339
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:18,220
- Thanks for the pep talk. Andrew.
HEYWARD: Mary.

1340
01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:21,731
We've hired a private detective
to go back over everything.

1341
01:19:22,091 --> 01:19:25,265
<i>I need you to hand over your notes,
your e-mails, everything.</i>

1342
01:19:25,461 --> 01:19:28,237
Listen, I was thinking,
if we could find the typewriter...

1343
01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:30,740
Stop working on the story.

1344
01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:40,750
Well, all work on the Bush-Guard story
has officially ceased.

1345
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:43,483
I can't imagine why.

1346
01:19:44,580 --> 01:19:45,615
[MAPES SIGHS]

1347
01:19:48,250 --> 01:19:50,252
Hey, what are you looking at, buddy?

1348
01:19:50,452 --> 01:19:51,988
The men with the cameras.

1349
01:19:55,991 --> 01:19:58,335
Are they friends of yours?

1350
01:19:59,395 --> 01:20:01,306
♪♪♪

1351
01:20:06,502 --> 01:20:07,947
No.

1352
01:20:08,137 --> 01:20:09,275
MARK: Take him upstairs.

1353
01:20:12,675 --> 01:20:15,246
MAN: <i>In other news,
CBS' internal investigation...</i>

1354
01:20:15,444 --> 01:20:19,449
<i>into their story on George W. Bush's
National Guard service begins today...</i>

1355
01:20:19,648 --> 01:20:22,686
<i>with the review panel
convening at Black Rock.</i>

1356
01:20:27,856 --> 01:20:31,133
I left my wallet in a cab.
I'm supposed to be in front of the panel.

1357
01:20:31,327 --> 01:20:32,465
You can't be here.

1358
01:20:32,661 --> 01:20:35,608
- Excuse me?
- You're not allowed in the building.

1359
01:20:35,798 --> 01:20:38,506
I'm not allowed in the building
according to who?

1360
01:20:38,701 --> 01:20:41,773
Management. You have to go, now.

1361
01:20:43,038 --> 01:20:44,142
Uh...

1362
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:47,116
Okay, do you understand
what's happening here?

1363
01:20:47,309 --> 01:20:49,789
I understand you're leaving.

1364
01:20:51,313 --> 01:20:55,022
Our... Your parent company
is currently lobbying...

1365
01:20:55,217 --> 01:20:58,721
a Republican-controlled Congress
for deregulation and tax breaks...

1366
01:20:58,954 --> 01:21:02,561
that could potentially save them
hundreds of millions of dollars.

1367
01:21:02,725 --> 01:21:06,172
And we just aired a report that
could cost those same Republicans...

1368
01:21:06,328 --> 01:21:09,207
- ...the presidency.
- Security to the 10th floor now.

1369
01:21:09,698 --> 01:21:13,373
You think Viacom might need
the administration on their side?

1370
01:21:13,569 --> 01:21:16,675
You think they might be desperate
to make it up to him right now?

1371
01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:20,581
Make up for CBS running stories on
Abu Ghraib, the president, and Vietnam...

1372
01:21:20,809 --> 01:21:24,347
and all the other shit that isn't part
of your scheduled programming?

1373
01:21:24,546 --> 01:21:28,722
Of course everyone wants it to disappear.
There's a fucking election at stake!

1374
01:21:29,351 --> 01:21:31,922
You're supposed to question everything.
That's your job.

1375
01:21:32,087 --> 01:21:36,092
We are supposed to question everything,
and, what, you won't even question this?

1376
01:21:37,092 --> 01:21:39,368
- Are you done?
- Am I done?

1377
01:21:39,561 --> 01:21:41,871
Know when the FCC
repealed cross-ownership laws...

1378
01:21:42,030 --> 01:21:45,739
a single company could own 45 percent
of the national market share?

1379
01:21:46,068 --> 01:21:48,844
Forty-five percent
of the national market share.

1380
01:21:49,037 --> 01:21:51,415
People fucking flipped.
They lost their shit.

1381
01:21:51,607 --> 01:21:54,417
They actually sat down
and wrote their local congressmen.

1382
01:21:54,610 --> 01:21:57,284
So in the 2003 appropriations bill,
guess what...

1383
01:21:57,513 --> 01:22:00,084
Congress overturned it. Woo-hoo!

1384
01:22:00,449 --> 01:22:03,453
Hooray for democracy, right?

1385
01:22:03,685 --> 01:22:06,029
Nope. The president wouldn't sign it.

1386
01:22:06,221 --> 01:22:09,759
Bush threatened to veto the bill unless
a compromise was found at 39 percent.

1387
01:22:09,958 --> 01:22:11,028
And why 39 percent?

1388
01:22:11,193 --> 01:22:14,902
That's the exact percent Viacom wouldn't
have to sell off any of their stations.

1389
01:22:15,097 --> 01:22:17,873
The president of the United States
was ready to take down...

1390
01:22:18,033 --> 01:22:22,641
the entire federal budget
so that Viacom wouldn't lose any money!

1391
01:22:29,478 --> 01:22:31,082
You're right.

1392
01:22:31,547 --> 01:22:34,653
Yeah, we're... We're all evil.

1393
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:37,055
And you're the... You're the...

1394
01:22:37,252 --> 01:22:39,129
plucky, misunderstood hero.

1395
01:22:39,888 --> 01:22:42,960
It's not that you guys fucked up a story.
No, no, it's... It's...

1396
01:22:43,125 --> 01:22:45,765
It's a conspiracy, right?

1397
01:22:50,098 --> 01:22:52,408
They're gonna screw you too,
you know.

1398
01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:11,492
Hey, I never got to ask you.

1399
01:23:11,987 --> 01:23:13,762
Why did you get into journalism?

1400
01:23:16,325 --> 01:23:18,168
Curiosity.

1401
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:19,830
[CHUCKLES]

1402
01:23:20,762 --> 01:23:22,207
That's it?

1403
01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:25,542
That's everything.

1404
01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:30,984
Why'd you get into it?

1405
01:23:34,009 --> 01:23:35,044
You.

1406
01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:37,888
♪♪♪

1407
01:23:38,046 --> 01:23:41,994
MAN:
Mr. Rather, the panel is ready for you.

1408
01:23:55,130 --> 01:23:59,135
It's even worse than we thought.
They asked if you bullied staff or sources.

1409
01:23:59,301 --> 01:24:02,009
If you physically intimidated people
to get what you want.

1410
01:24:02,170 --> 01:24:04,377
I hope you told them
I beat the shit out of you.

1411
01:24:04,540 --> 01:24:07,885
Mary, they... It's...
This isn't a joke, okay?

1412
01:24:08,076 --> 01:24:10,215
They asked about your politics.

1413
01:24:10,412 --> 01:24:14,417
The deck is stacked, okay?
The game's rigged. Between this...

1414
01:24:14,716 --> 01:24:18,254
talk radio and your father,
ifs a fucking lynching.

1415
01:24:19,021 --> 01:24:20,227
What about my father?

1416
01:24:22,324 --> 01:24:25,203
Nothing. I... Don't... it's... Forget it.

1417
01:24:25,394 --> 01:24:27,374
What about my father, Mike?

1418
01:24:28,030 --> 01:24:30,032
Look, I'm sorry, I thought you knew.

1419
01:24:32,568 --> 01:24:35,242
<i>DON [ON</i> TV]: <i>I'm ashamed
of what my daughter has become.</i>

1420
01:24:35,437 --> 01:24:36,438
MAN: You are?

1421
01:24:36,772 --> 01:24:38,843
DON: <i>She's</i> a <i>typical liberal.</i>

1422
01:24:39,007 --> 01:24:41,214
<i>She went into journalism
with an ax to grind...</i>

1423
01:24:41,376 --> 01:24:44,050
<i>mend that was to promote
radical feminism.</i>

1424
01:24:44,379 --> 01:24:47,758
MAN: <i>So would you say
this is</i> a <i>pattern of hers?</i>

1425
01:24:47,916 --> 01:24:49,224
DON: Oh, sure.

1426
01:24:49,384 --> 01:24:51,955
<i>You know, when I heard
this was</i> a <i>60 Minutes story...</i>

1427
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,294
<i>I figured she would be
the producer of the show.</i>

1428
01:24:55,457 --> 01:24:57,869
<i>She and that Dan Rather
have been working on this...</i>

1429
01:24:58,026 --> 01:25:02,202
<i>ever since Bush was elected.
She should really be looking at George...</i>

1430
01:25:09,471 --> 01:25:13,283
[LINE RINGING]

1431
01:25:13,442 --> 01:25:14,750
<i>DON: Hello?</i>

1432
01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:17,220
You can't talk to the press anymore,
Don.

1433
01:25:17,379 --> 01:25:19,552
- Who <i>is</i> this?
- You know who this is.

1434
01:25:19,715 --> 01:25:21,558
Just for once in your life, be decent.

1435
01:25:21,717 --> 01:25:23,594
<i>I'm expressing my opinion.</i>

1436
01:25:23,752 --> 01:25:26,289
<i>I thought you reporters
were a“ about that.</i>

1437
01:25:26,455 --> 01:25:29,459
Okay, well,
if you don't stop talking to the press...

1438
01:25:29,625 --> 01:25:32,231
I'll fly up there myself
and break your fucking arms.

1439
01:25:32,394 --> 01:25:33,998
- How about that?
- Is that him?

1440
01:25:34,963 --> 01:25:37,671
- Here, let me talk to him.
- Mar.

1441
01:25:37,899 --> 01:25:39,572
- Mark, just give me the phone.
- Mar.

1442
01:25:39,735 --> 01:25:41,646
Just give me the phone, Mark.

1443
01:25:43,005 --> 01:25:45,485
- Daddy?
- Yes.

1444
01:25:50,445 --> 01:25:52,755
Daddy, please stop.

1445
01:25:52,914 --> 01:25:54,120
[DON SIGHS]

1446
01:25:54,282 --> 01:25:57,752
<i>Well, since you asked, I will.</i>

1447
01:25:57,953 --> 01:25:59,330
Oh...

1448
01:26:23,178 --> 01:26:25,454
I can't anymore.

1449
01:26:26,815 --> 01:26:29,989
MARK: Yes, you can.
- No. I don't want to.

1450
01:26:30,152 --> 01:26:33,361
They can have my career. I don't care.

1451
01:26:33,889 --> 01:26:37,166
God, I never should have asked
the question.

1452
01:26:38,193 --> 01:26:41,037
So, what, they're right, you're wrong?

1453
01:26:41,396 --> 01:26:43,398
Guess so.

1454
01:26:47,369 --> 01:26:51,647
And, um, what about Dan?

1455
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:53,651
That's not fair.

1456
01:26:53,809 --> 01:26:56,255
"It's a shame
what that woman did to Dan Rather."

1457
01:26:56,411 --> 01:26:58,049
- That's what they're saying.
- Don't.

1458
01:26:58,213 --> 01:27:02,059
"How he's going to go down?
Well, it's just a disgrace."

1459
01:27:02,851 --> 01:27:05,559
And Robert'll get to see you quit,
that'll be good for him.

1460
01:27:05,721 --> 01:27:07,098
Oh, fuck you.

1461
01:27:07,255 --> 01:27:09,064
Listen to me. Listen.

1462
01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:11,500
You gotta make your case
to the panel, honey.

1463
01:27:11,693 --> 01:27:13,331
You have to fight.

1464
01:27:13,495 --> 01:27:15,907
- Even if the system's rigged?
- The system is rigged.

1465
01:27:16,064 --> 01:27:18,066
It always has been. You know that.

1466
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,210
You still have to tell them
what happened.

1467
01:27:23,538 --> 01:27:25,074
Why?

1468
01:27:28,844 --> 01:27:31,051
Because that's what we do.

1469
01:27:32,447 --> 01:27:34,449
♪♪♪

1470
01:27:46,428 --> 01:27:50,240
MAPES: So do you believe me?

1471
01:27:51,733 --> 01:27:54,213
Do you believe I did my job?

1472
01:27:54,703 --> 01:27:57,103
I told you it doesn't
matter what I believe.

1473
01:27:57,129 --> 01:27:58,141
It does to me.

1474
01:27:59,141 --> 01:28:01,212
If you'd like someone else
to represent you...

1475
01:28:01,376 --> 01:28:03,652
Why don't you just tell me
why I shouldn't?

1476
01:28:05,881 --> 01:28:08,885
- What do you want out of this?
- Excuse me?

1477
01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:11,792
Do you wanna get into a debate
about journalism with them...

1478
01:28:11,953 --> 01:28:15,298
- ...or do you wanna keep your job?
- I can't do both?

1479
01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:17,902
Not at this point, no.

1480
01:28:18,794 --> 01:28:21,070
You're the primary breadwinner,
is that correct?

1481
01:28:25,333 --> 01:28:26,812
Yes.

1482
01:28:26,968 --> 01:28:29,414
And your son is 7.

1483
01:28:30,739 --> 01:28:33,982
This isn't a trial, this is a hunt.

1484
01:28:34,142 --> 01:28:36,588
This is about assignation of blame,
who is at fault.

1485
01:28:36,745 --> 01:28:38,156
Because somebody has to be.

1486
01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:40,759
Debate that with them,
and you're done.

1487
01:28:40,982 --> 01:28:43,189
You have one chance here.

1488
01:28:43,451 --> 01:28:46,364
Among all the conservative lawyers
on that panel...

1489
01:28:46,521 --> 01:28:49,092
there is one former journalist
co-chairing it.

1490
01:28:49,257 --> 01:28:52,795
Lou Boccardi, the former head
of the Associated Press.

1491
01:28:52,961 --> 01:28:56,499
He's the one man who can
maybe understand what happened.

1492
01:28:56,665 --> 01:29:01,011
You convince him,
maybe he can turn the others.

1493
01:29:01,369 --> 01:29:03,781
But if you antagonize them...

1494
01:29:04,172 --> 01:29:06,550
if you bait them, if you fight them...

1495
01:29:06,708 --> 01:29:08,016
you will lose.

1496
01:29:11,146 --> 01:29:13,217
You're fucking hired.

1497
01:29:14,349 --> 01:29:15,885
[SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY]

1498
01:29:16,051 --> 01:29:18,053
♪♪♪

1499
01:29:18,386 --> 01:29:20,957
HIBEY: <i>You're going to cooperate
in every way.</i>

1500
01:29:21,690 --> 01:29:24,671
<i>Follow every request and instruction.</i>

1501
01:29:24,826 --> 01:29:26,396
<i>There is no standard here.</i>

1502
01:29:26,561 --> 01:29:30,805
<i>No books full of journalistic laws,
no written codes.</i>

1503
01:29:30,999 --> 01:29:32,910
<i>There is just opinion,.</i>

1504
01:29:33,134 --> 01:29:35,705
<i>And we have to sway it.</i>

1505
01:29:38,673 --> 01:29:39,173
♪♪♪

1506
01:29:53,154 --> 01:29:54,724
HIBEY: That's Thornburgh.

1507
01:29:55,991 --> 01:29:58,597
- Which one's the journalist?
- He's just there.

1508
01:30:04,499 --> 01:30:06,604
- Ms. Mapes, thanks for coming in.
MAPES: Mm-hm.

1509
01:30:06,768 --> 01:30:10,238
I'm Larry Lanpher. I'm lead council
along with Mike Missal here.

1510
01:30:10,405 --> 01:30:11,748
Pleasure.

1511
01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:13,851
I notice there's no stenographer.

1512
01:30:14,042 --> 01:30:16,249
Well, this is an internal investigation.

1513
01:30:16,411 --> 01:30:19,255
We're just gonna take some notes
as we go along.

1514
01:30:19,748 --> 01:30:21,785
So there'll be no official record?

1515
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:24,188
It's fine.

1516
01:30:24,552 --> 01:30:27,726
Would you like to take
a bathroom break before we begin?

1517
01:30:27,889 --> 01:30:29,800
I'm fine. LANPHER: You sure?

1518
01:30:29,958 --> 01:30:31,130
I'm not that delicate.

1519
01:30:33,295 --> 01:30:36,105
- I'd like one.
- Okay.

1520
01:30:36,298 --> 01:30:38,107
Start again in two minutes, everyone.

1521
01:30:40,602 --> 01:30:42,445
[SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY]

1522
01:30:45,106 --> 01:30:46,949
I want you to stay calm in there.

1523
01:30:47,108 --> 01:30:49,714
- Don't I look calm?
- Not even a little.

1524
01:30:50,412 --> 01:30:52,756
Now, they're gonna try
to catch you off balance.

1525
01:30:52,914 --> 01:30:55,394
When they ask you a question,
answer it.

1526
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:58,128
Tell them what time it is,
not how to build a clock.

1527
01:30:58,286 --> 01:31:00,323
- But...
- Don't fight.

1528
01:31:01,323 --> 01:31:02,825
Okay?

1529
01:31:05,226 --> 01:31:06,899
Okay.

1530
01:31:07,395 --> 01:31:08,396
Don't fight.

1531
01:31:20,909 --> 01:31:23,116
I'd like to talk a little bit
about language.

1532
01:31:23,611 --> 01:31:25,420
Absolutely.

1533
01:31:25,613 --> 01:31:28,651
MISSAL: This is a printout of e-mails
sent back and forth by your group...

1534
01:31:28,817 --> 01:31:30,125
during the investigation.
MAPES: Mm-hm.

1535
01:31:30,318 --> 01:31:33,299
In this one to Mike Smith,
what did the two of you mean...

1536
01:31:33,455 --> 01:31:37,665
when you referred
to a piece of "tasty brisket"?

1537
01:31:39,527 --> 01:31:42,872
That referred to a piece of information
Mike uncovered...

1538
01:31:43,031 --> 01:31:46,103
working on a documentary
for the Germans.

1539
01:31:46,701 --> 01:31:49,204
A piece of information
against the president?

1540
01:31:51,306 --> 01:31:55,220
I think specifically, it referred to Bush
losing his nerve while flying.

1541
01:31:55,443 --> 01:31:58,981
Which you did not mention
in the report you aired on 60 Minutes.

1542
01:31:59,180 --> 01:32:01,524
I didn't think we had it nailed down.

1543
01:32:01,683 --> 01:32:03,185
Would it be accurate to say...

1544
01:32:03,351 --> 01:32:06,560
you were looking for
anything negative about the president?

1545
01:32:06,721 --> 01:32:09,497
I'd say it's accurate we were
looking for any information...

1546
01:32:09,657 --> 01:32:12,160
on his time in the Guard
that hadn't come to light.

1547
01:32:12,394 --> 01:32:14,396
And that's what made it tasty?

1548
01:32:14,562 --> 01:32:17,543
Not because it reflected poorly
on the president?

1549
01:32:17,699 --> 01:32:22,148
It was tasty because
it had the potential to be newsworthy.

1550
01:32:22,303 --> 01:32:25,375
Look, Mike and I are friends,
so we use shorthand.

1551
01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:27,213
Sarcasm, jokes. You know.

1552
01:32:27,409 --> 01:32:29,480
Is that common in your industry?

1553
01:32:29,844 --> 01:32:30,879
I suppose.

1554
01:32:31,046 --> 01:32:34,858
When dealing with matters <i>as</i> serious
as this, ifs common to make jokes?

1555
01:32:36,051 --> 01:32:40,056
I can assure you,
we take our work very, very seriously.

1556
01:32:40,255 --> 01:32:41,757
LANPHER: Hm.

1557
01:32:41,923 --> 01:32:44,733
I also wanted to ask you
about this e-mail...

1558
01:32:44,893 --> 01:32:50,343
from Roger Charles where he says
he feels better about the documents...

1559
01:32:50,498 --> 01:32:52,535
MAPES: Mm-hm.
- ...because of their formatting.

1560
01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:55,772
Colonel Charles originally thought
the documents were fake?

1561
01:32:56,237 --> 01:32:57,614
I don't believe so.

1562
01:32:57,939 --> 01:33:01,580
Then... Then... Then why would
he say he feels better?

1563
01:33:02,744 --> 01:33:06,123
Because it seemed that
what our source was telling us was true.

1564
01:33:06,281 --> 01:33:11,594
I have to disagree. Even the subject line
in the e-mail is "I feel better"...

1565
01:33:11,753 --> 01:33:14,461
with three exclamation points.

1566
01:33:14,622 --> 01:33:17,228
It seems Colonel Charles
initially had doubts.

1567
01:33:20,361 --> 01:33:23,137
I think you'd have to ask
Colonel Charles.

1568
01:33:23,932 --> 01:33:26,708
LANPHER: Hm. MAPES: Mm-hm.

1569
01:33:27,368 --> 01:33:33,148
But also, um, I would say that he was
coming from the place of not being sure...

1570
01:33:33,308 --> 01:33:37,222
if the memos were real or not, and then
becoming confident that they were.

1571
01:33:37,412 --> 01:33:38,948
Really?

1572
01:33:39,714 --> 01:33:43,127
Forgive me for saying, but your testimony
so far doesn't bear that out.

1573
01:33:43,284 --> 01:33:44,763
- How so?
- Excuse me.

1574
01:33:44,919 --> 01:33:46,830
This isn't testimony, remember?

1575
01:33:47,288 --> 01:33:49,598
If it was impossible
to authenticate the memos...

1576
01:33:49,757 --> 01:33:53,432
doesn't it stand to reason that you
initially assumed the memos were real...

1577
01:33:53,595 --> 01:33:56,974
rather than the other way around?
MAPES: I wouldn't say that.

1578
01:33:57,332 --> 01:33:58,811
Well, what would you say?

1579
01:33:59,634 --> 01:34:02,672
It seems you assumed the memos
were real from the outset...

1580
01:34:02,904 --> 01:34:06,113
and you looked to make sure
that nothing disproved that.

1581
01:34:06,274 --> 01:34:11,417
Essentially, you took the position that the
president was guilty until proven innocent.

1582
01:34:12,113 --> 01:34:14,855
We took several steps
to vet these memos.

1583
01:34:15,083 --> 01:34:16,323
Mm-hm. Such as?

1584
01:34:17,185 --> 01:34:18,585
- Well...
LANPHER: There were only...

1585
01:34:18,620 --> 01:34:20,691
two signatures,
only two sets of initials.

1586
01:34:20,855 --> 01:34:23,461
Hardly enough comparison
for a handwriting match.

1587
01:34:23,625 --> 01:34:27,038
And you said yourself that no carbon
or ink tests could be performed.

1588
01:34:27,262 --> 01:34:30,937
In fact, two of the four analysts you
hired said they had strong reservations...

1589
01:34:31,099 --> 01:34:32,635
about the memos' authenticity.

1590
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,805
Much of the formatting and terminology
used is consistent with the period...

1591
01:34:37,005 --> 01:34:38,348
- ...as is...
- That's debatable.

1592
01:34:38,506 --> 01:34:41,385
Consistent with the period,
as is the content of the memos...

1593
01:34:41,543 --> 01:34:45,184
which was verified by several sources,
including those close to Killian.

1594
01:34:45,346 --> 01:34:48,350
Um, then, uh, what about this?

1595
01:34:48,516 --> 01:34:49,654
Um...

1596
01:34:51,219 --> 01:34:52,823
"OETR"?

1597
01:34:54,222 --> 01:34:57,635
Is this one of the terminologies
that's consistent with the period?

1598
01:34:57,792 --> 01:34:59,203
Mm-hm. I believe so.

1599
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:03,308
LANPHER: What does that stand for?
- Officer Effectiveness Training Report.

1600
01:35:03,464 --> 01:35:07,344
Actually, the correct acronym
is OER.

1601
01:35:07,502 --> 01:35:11,211
Officer Effectiveness Report. No T.

1602
01:35:12,073 --> 01:35:15,577
Isn't it true that "Officer Effectiveness
Training Report" doesn't appear...

1603
01:35:15,743 --> 01:35:19,418
anywhere on any official document,
and this is a phrase that you created...

1604
01:35:19,581 --> 01:35:22,994
to explain this incorrect abbreviation
in your memos?

1605
01:35:23,151 --> 01:35:25,654
- That is not true.
- It isn't?

1606
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,595
- I would not do something like that.
- Then prove it.

1607
01:35:33,661 --> 01:35:36,505
♪♪♪

1608
01:35:49,577 --> 01:35:52,421
Official document, top of the page.

1609
01:35:52,714 --> 01:35:54,022
Um...

1610
01:35:54,182 --> 01:35:55,422
Tab 21.

1611
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,196
- Mike?
- Of course.

1612
01:36:05,627 --> 01:36:07,129
Oh.

1613
01:36:07,729 --> 01:36:09,402
I see that.

1614
01:36:09,564 --> 01:36:11,441
I'm sorry, my mistake.

1615
01:36:23,444 --> 01:36:25,287
Clearly, you did well.

1616
01:36:25,446 --> 01:36:28,791
They're gonna regroup,
call you back in next month.

1617
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:30,293
Next month?

1618
01:36:30,451 --> 01:36:34,422
They've decided to delay announcing the
panel's findings till after the election.

1619
01:36:35,957 --> 01:36:38,062
Don't look so glum.
Just keep your head down.

1620
01:36:38,226 --> 01:36:39,637
You'll make it out of this.

1621
01:36:44,399 --> 01:36:47,676
<i>BUSH [ON</i> TV]: <i>I'm looking forward to
sen/ing this country for four more years.</i>

1622
01:36:48,069 --> 01:36:50,481
<i>I wanna thank you for
your hard work in the campaign.</i>

1623
01:36:50,638 --> 01:36:54,984
<i>I told you that the other day and you
probably thought I was seeking votes.</i>

1624
01:36:55,143 --> 01:36:56,747
[PEOPLE LAUGHING ON TV]

1625
01:36:56,911 --> 01:36:59,687
<i>But now that you voted,
I really meant it.</i>

1626
01:36:59,914 --> 01:37:01,985
<i>I appreciate the hard work
of the press corps.</i>

1627
01:37:02,150 --> 01:37:05,620
<i>We all put in long hours. You're away
from your families for a long period.</i>

1628
01:37:05,787 --> 01:37:08,131
<i>But the country's better off
when we have...</i>

1629
01:37:08,289 --> 01:37:10,667
<i>a vigorous and free press
covering our elections.</i>

1630
01:37:10,958 --> 01:37:12,437
<i>And thanks for your work.</i>

1631
01:37:12,593 --> 01:37:16,166
<i>Without over-pandering,
I'll answer</i> a <i>few questions.</i>

1632
01:37:16,364 --> 01:37:17,672
<i>Hunt?</i>

1633
01:37:17,832 --> 01:37:20,210
<i>HUNT: Mr. President. Thank you.</i>

1634
01:37:20,368 --> 01:37:24,783
<i>As you look at your second term, how
much is the war in Iraq going to cost?</i>

1635
01:37:24,939 --> 01:37:28,853
<i>Do you intend is send more troops
or bring troops home'?</i>

1636
01:37:29,010 --> 01:37:31,320
<i>And in the Middle East more broadly...</i>

1637
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:35,188
<i>do you agree with Tony Blair
that revitalizing the Middle East...</i>

1638
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:40,732
<i>peace process is the single most
pressing political issue facing me world?</i>

1639
01:37:41,122 --> 01:37:42,829
BUSH: <i>Now that I've got
the will of the people...</i>

1640
01:37:42,990 --> 01:37:47,200
<i>I'm going to start enforcing
the one-question rule.</i>

1641
01:37:47,729 --> 01:37:49,003
<i>Thai was three questions.</i>

1642
01:37:49,197 --> 01:37:51,302
[PEOPLE CHUCKLING ON TV]

1643
01:37:51,466 --> 01:37:52,467
[PHONE RINGING]

1644
01:37:52,633 --> 01:37:54,544
<i>I'll star? With Tony Blair's comments.</i>

1645
01:37:54,702 --> 01:37:56,903
<i>I agree with him that the Middle East
peace is a very...</i>

1646
01:38:06,547 --> 01:38:07,582
Hello.

1647
01:38:09,884 --> 01:38:13,525
Mary, it's Dan plus three.

1648
01:38:13,688 --> 01:38:17,261
Well, I'm working on
a Chardonnay Xanax cocktail...

1649
01:38:17,425 --> 01:38:19,701
- ...if it makes you feel any better.
- Heh.

1650
01:38:19,861 --> 01:38:23,434
Did you know that 60 Minutes
was the first news program...

1651
01:38:23,598 --> 01:38:25,544
to ever make money?

1652
01:38:26,234 --> 01:38:29,704
Before that, all news divisions
operated at a financial loss.

1653
01:38:32,006 --> 01:38:36,546
<i>You know, when the government
gave the networks the airwaves...</i>

1654
01:38:36,744 --> 01:38:39,452
it was with the stipulation that...

1655
01:38:39,614 --> 01:38:43,357
they'd be used in some capacity
for the public good.

1656
01:38:43,551 --> 01:38:45,360
And that... That was the news.

1657
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,023
They... They made their money
elsewhere on the schedule.

1658
01:38:48,222 --> 01:38:51,431
But reporting the news was a duty.
It was...

1659
01:38:51,793 --> 01:38:52,965
It was a trust.

1660
01:38:54,429 --> 01:38:58,036
<i>You know when Don Hewitt
started 60 Minutes, it was in</i> 1968...

1661
01:38:58,232 --> 01:39:01,145
it built to enormous ratings.
God, it was...

1662
01:39:01,369 --> 01:39:03,315
God, I! Was wonderful.

1663
01:39:03,471 --> 01:39:08,284
I mean, people were really
watching the news. I mean, they cared.

1664
01:39:08,810 --> 01:39:11,484
And, God, we figured out
a way to give it to them.

1665
01:39:11,646 --> 01:39:13,592
I was there, Mary.

1666
01:39:14,315 --> 01:39:18,730
I was there the day they figured out
that news could make money.

1667
01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:21,065
<i>Hm,.</i>

1668
01:39:21,589 --> 01:39:24,433
After a while it dawned on them,
"How come the evening news..."

1669
01:39:24,592 --> 01:39:26,936
isn't a profit center too?

1670
01:39:27,094 --> 01:39:30,234
"Why aren't the morning shows
earning more?"

1671
01:39:31,899 --> 01:39:35,437
If you interview Survivor contestants
instead of survivors of the genocide...

1672
01:39:35,603 --> 01:39:38,015
your ad rates go up.

1673
01:39:40,908 --> 01:39:45,323
Pretty soon we won't even run down our
own stories because it's too expensive.

1674
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:46,515
We'll just...

1675
01:39:46,681 --> 01:39:48,126
[SIGHS]

1676
01:39:48,282 --> 01:39:53,027
We'll just pay someone else to do it,
then we'll read them on the air for show.

1677
01:39:56,324 --> 01:39:59,305
It was a public trust once.

1678
01:39:59,994 --> 01:40:02,304
I swear to you it was.

1679
01:40:04,665 --> 01:40:06,770
How you doing, Dan?

1680
01:40:09,937 --> 01:40:11,712
I'm stepping down as anchor.

1681
01:40:14,675 --> 01:40:16,677
♪♪♪

1682
01:40:17,011 --> 01:40:18,285
When'?

1683
01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:21,691
After inauguration.

1684
01:40:26,554 --> 01:40:28,534
Oh, Dan.

1685
01:40:30,191 --> 01:40:31,568
You didn't cause this, Mary.

1686
01:40:32,026 --> 01:40:35,132
Well, you're a shitty liar,
you know that?

1687
01:40:40,067 --> 01:40:41,569
Why didn't you ask me?

1688
01:40:42,036 --> 01:40:45,415
<i>Because God knows everybody else did
when the shit hit the fan.</i>

1689
01:40:45,573 --> 01:40:47,519
<i>Why didn't you?</i>

1690
01:40:48,142 --> 01:40:49,712
Ask you what?

1691
01:40:49,977 --> 01:40:53,151
Why didn't you ask me
if the documents were real?

1692
01:40:55,249 --> 01:40:57,422
Because I knew I didn't need to.

1693
01:41:00,388 --> 01:41:01,423
<i>Hey.</i>

1694
01:41:01,589 --> 01:41:04,593
When you go back in there,
you hold your head up, you understand?

1695
01:41:06,193 --> 01:41:07,866
Yes, Dan.

1696
01:41:08,763 --> 01:41:10,868
Okay. F.E.A.

1697
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:14,106
[SNIFFLING]

1698
01:41:14,268 --> 01:41:16,407
F.E.A.

1699
01:41:19,574 --> 01:41:22,612
♪♪♪

1700
01:41:45,533 --> 01:41:47,206
[THUNDER RUMBLING]

1701
01:41:49,770 --> 01:41:51,613
You're doing great.

1702
01:41:52,473 --> 01:41:54,817
Another half hour, and you're done.

1703
01:41:57,378 --> 01:41:58,584
What does that mean?

1704
01:42:02,450 --> 01:42:06,227
Fuck 'em all.

1705
01:42:09,490 --> 01:42:10,798
[CHUCKLES]

1706
01:42:11,092 --> 01:42:14,005
Well, I'm glad we have clarification
on that.

1707
01:42:14,161 --> 01:42:17,665
- Good.
- Well, if there's nothing else...

1708
01:42:17,898 --> 01:42:20,105
Thank you, gentlemen, for the day.

1709
01:42:23,471 --> 01:42:26,941
Aren't you gonna ask me
about my politics'?

1710
01:42:28,476 --> 01:42:30,114
Excuse me?

1711
01:42:30,311 --> 01:42:34,589
You asked other people what I believe,
so aren't you gonna ask me'?

1712
01:42:35,483 --> 01:42:36,518
What are you doing?

1713
01:42:37,118 --> 01:42:41,828
Well, wouldn't you say most of the people
you work with consider you a liberal?

1714
01:42:44,859 --> 01:42:48,671
Do you mean, "Am I now
or have I ever been a liberal?"

1715
01:42:59,206 --> 01:43:02,016
it's a legitimate question.

1716
01:43:02,643 --> 01:43:03,644
Is it?

1717
01:43:03,844 --> 01:43:05,289
Well, you brought it up.

1718
01:43:06,313 --> 01:43:09,294
No, you did, when you asked
all of my co-workers.

1719
01:43:09,717 --> 01:43:10,821
So I'll tell you.

1720
01:43:11,018 --> 01:43:14,363
I don't believe in labels. I think
most people have a mixture of views...

1721
01:43:14,522 --> 01:43:16,297
LANPHER:
That's not what we're talking about.

1722
01:43:16,457 --> 01:43:18,494
Then what are you talking about,
Larry?

1723
01:43:18,693 --> 01:43:21,833
We are talking about you bringing
your politics into your reporting.

1724
01:43:21,996 --> 01:43:24,738
- I did nothing of the kind.
LANPHER: Nothing? Really?

1725
01:43:24,899 --> 01:43:27,743
Is that why when Barnes told you
he got Bush into the Guard...

1726
01:43:27,902 --> 01:43:29,643
you believed him without question?

1727
01:43:29,804 --> 01:43:33,342
That when Bill Burkett, an outspoken
Bush critic and admitted liar...

1728
01:43:33,574 --> 01:43:37,488
brought you memos, you assumed
their authenticity and didn't source them?

1729
01:43:37,678 --> 01:43:41,524
That when not one but two
of the four document examiners...

1730
01:43:41,716 --> 01:43:43,662
expressed doubts the memos
were real...

1731
01:43:43,818 --> 01:43:45,991
you pushed that aside
and rushed this on air?

1732
01:43:46,153 --> 01:43:49,066
Or why you personally contacted
the John Kerry campaign...

1733
01:43:49,223 --> 01:43:52,204
on behalf of Bill Burkett,
a man who has dedicated himself...

1734
01:43:52,359 --> 01:43:54,361
to smearing the president?

1735
01:43:54,562 --> 01:43:55,870
Tell me, Mary.

1736
01:43:56,030 --> 01:43:59,944
Where exactly does politics
not enter into this?

1737
01:44:00,568 --> 01:44:03,344
Or are you just that bad at your job?

1738
01:44:04,171 --> 01:44:06,777
Do you know what it would take
to fake these memos?

1739
01:44:06,941 --> 01:44:09,251
.Mary.. No, this is important.

1740
01:44:09,410 --> 01:44:12,948
It would require the forger
to have an in-depth knowledge...

1741
01:44:13,114 --> 01:44:17,358
of the 1971 Air Force manual,
including rules...

1742
01:44:17,518 --> 01:44:19,964
and regulations and abbreviations.

1743
01:44:20,121 --> 01:44:22,761
He'd have to know
Bush's official record front to back...

1744
01:44:22,923 --> 01:44:25,369
to make sure none of the memos
conflicted with it.

1745
01:44:25,526 --> 01:44:28,700
He'd have to know all the players
in the Texas Air National Guard...

1746
01:44:28,863 --> 01:44:32,401
at the time... Not just their names,
but their attitudes, their opinions...

1747
01:44:32,566 --> 01:44:34,603
“including how
they related to one another.

1748
01:44:34,769 --> 01:44:37,807
He'd have to know Colonel Killian
kept personal memos like this...

1749
01:44:37,972 --> 01:44:39,815
for himself in the first place.

1750
01:44:39,974 --> 01:44:42,614
He'd have to know
how Killian felt at the time...

1751
01:44:42,777 --> 01:44:46,953
particularly about his superiors
and then First Lieutenant Bush.

1752
01:44:47,114 --> 01:44:50,755
He would have to know
or learn all of this...

1753
01:44:50,918 --> 01:44:54,957
in order to fool us
as you assume he did.

1754
01:44:55,122 --> 01:44:56,567
Now...

1755
01:44:57,224 --> 01:44:59,670
do you really think that a man...

1756
01:44:59,827 --> 01:45:02,831
who takes this kind of time
and precision...

1757
01:45:02,997 --> 01:45:06,342
then goes and types these up
on Microsoft Word?

1758
01:45:13,574 --> 01:45:19,149
Our story was about whether Bush
fulfilled his service.

1759
01:45:19,313 --> 01:45:22,260
Nobody wants to talk about that.
They wanna talk about fonts...

1760
01:45:22,416 --> 01:45:24,418
and forgeries
and conspiracy theories.

1761
01:45:24,585 --> 01:45:28,499
Because that's what people do
these days if they don'! Like a story.

1762
01:45:28,656 --> 01:45:30,363
They point and scream.

1763
01:45:30,524 --> 01:45:33,130
They question your politics,
your objectivity. Hell...

1764
01:45:33,294 --> 01:45:34,534
your basic humanity.

1765
01:45:34,762 --> 01:45:38,335
And they hope to God
the truth gets lost in the scrum.

1766
01:45:38,532 --> 01:45:40,273
And when it is finally over...

1767
01:45:40,434 --> 01:45:43,472
and they have kicked
and shouted so loud...

1768
01:45:43,637 --> 01:45:46,982
we can't even remember
what the point was.

1769
01:45:48,209 --> 01:45:50,780
THORNBURGH:
But you didn't prove it.

1770
01:45:52,847 --> 01:45:57,193
You didn't prove Ben Barnes
got the president into the Guard.

1771
01:45:57,484 --> 01:46:00,055
You didn't prove the memos are real.

1772
01:46:00,287 --> 01:46:03,564
The burden of proof is on you.

1773
01:46:03,791 --> 01:46:07,068
By that standard, The <i>Times</i> would
never have run the Pentagon Papers.

1774
01:46:07,228 --> 01:46:09,333
The Post wouldn't have listened
to Deep Throat...

1775
01:46:09,496 --> 01:46:13,706
- Ben Barnes is hardly Deep Throat.
- He's confessed to abusing his power...

1776
01:46:13,868 --> 01:46:16,576
to keep some of the richest,
privileged sons of Texas...

1777
01:46:16,737 --> 01:46:19,047
from getting their asses blown off
in Vietnam.

1778
01:46:19,206 --> 01:46:20,810
Ms. Mapes.

1779
01:46:21,542 --> 01:46:24,079
Don't you think it's possible,
just possible...

1780
01:46:24,812 --> 01:46:26,758
that some of those fine, young...

1781
01:46:26,981 --> 01:46:29,359
privileged men, as you call them...

1782
01:46:29,583 --> 01:46:35,261
got into the National Guard
on their own merit?

1783
01:46:45,332 --> 01:46:48,609
No, sir. No, I do not.

1784
01:46:49,737 --> 01:46:51,739
♪♪♪

1785
01:47:07,922 --> 01:47:09,458
You had to do it, didn't you?

1786
01:47:10,457 --> 01:47:13,734
In the immortal words of Popeye,
"I am what I am."

1787
01:47:14,595 --> 01:47:17,906
Well. I would have gone with
"To thine own self be true"...

1788
01:47:18,065 --> 01:47:19,942
but Popeye works.

1789
01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:23,309
They'll have their findings in a few weeks.
I'll call you when I hear.

1790
01:47:23,470 --> 01:47:26,747
All right. Thanks.

1791
01:47:29,710 --> 01:47:31,451
HIBEY: Hey, Mary.

1792
01:47:33,047 --> 01:47:34,822
I believe you.

1793
01:47:46,894 --> 01:47:51,104
But I think he needs a helmet.
Have you got a helmet?

1794
01:47:51,265 --> 01:47:55,771
- Uh... A helmet?
- He needs a helmet.

1795
01:47:56,570 --> 01:47:59,278
- Oh, he hasn't got a head.
- Dang it.

1796
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,853
- Can you find a head?
- Um...

1797
01:48:03,811 --> 01:48:04,846
No.

1798
01:48:05,012 --> 01:48:06,650
[PHONE RINGING]

1799
01:48:07,081 --> 01:48:11,689
- Unless you want to chop his head...
- Chop his head off? Maybe.

1800
01:48:18,592 --> 01:48:20,037
Hello'?

1801
01:48:20,194 --> 01:48:23,664
<i>HEYWARD: Mary, the report is out
and it's very bad. Uh...</i>

1802
01:48:24,598 --> 01:48:26,544
<i>I'm putting Jonathan Anschultz
on the fine.</i>

1803
01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:28,771
<i>Jonathan, can you hear me?
ANSCHULTZ: Yeah.</i>

1804
01:48:29,036 --> 01:48:32,347
Mary, as I said, the report's bad.
You're being terminated.

1805
01:48:34,041 --> 01:48:37,784
<i>It's not something I would've chosen
to do under the circumstances, but...</i>

1806
01:48:37,978 --> 01:48:39,980
[INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE]

1807
01:48:40,147 --> 01:48:42,149
♪♪♪

1808
01:50:36,296 --> 01:50:37,639
Hippie scum.

1809
01:50:38,599 --> 01:50:40,670
Jarhead fuck.

1810
01:50:44,404 --> 01:50:45,940
If you ever need a reference...

1811
01:50:46,273 --> 01:50:47,616
What, you can...

1812
01:50:47,774 --> 01:50:50,414
tell them how we destroyed
modern journalism together?

1813
01:50:57,751 --> 01:50:59,697
I'll see you around.

1814
01:51:04,491 --> 01:51:06,994
<i>RATHER [ON TV]:
We've shared</i> a <i>lot in the 24 years...</i>

1815
01:51:07,161 --> 01:51:09,664
<i>, we've been meeting here
each evening.</i>

1816
01:51:10,197 --> 01:51:15,306
<i>And before I say good night,
this night, I need to say thank you.</i>

1817
01:51:15,702 --> 01:51:19,673
<i>Thank you to the thousands of
wonderful professionals at CBS News...</i>

1818
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:21,615
<i>past and present...</i>

1819
01:51:21,808 --> 01:51:25,346
<i>with whom it's been
my honor to work over these years.</i>

1820
01:51:26,647 --> 01:51:29,628
<i>And</i> a <i>deeply felt thanks to all of you...</i>

1821
01:51:29,783 --> 01:51:33,526
<i>who have let us into your homes
night after night.</i>

1822
01:51:33,787 --> 01:51:38,497
<i>It has been</i> a <i>privilege,
and one never taken lightly.</i>

1823
01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:44,700
<i>To</i> a <i>nation still nursing a broken heart
for what happened here in 2001...</i>

1824
01:51:44,865 --> 01:51:47,641
<i>and especially those
who found themselves closest...</i>

1825
01:51:47,801 --> 01:51:49,803
<i>"in the events of September the 11th."</i>

1826
01:51:51,138 --> 01:51:56,053
<i>To our soldiers, our sailors, our airmen
and Marines in dangerous places.</i>

1827
01:51:56,877 --> 01:52:00,017
<i>And to those who have endured
the tsunami.</i>

1828
01:52:00,180 --> 01:52:03,024
<i>And to all who have suffered
natural disasters...</i>

1829
01:52:03,183 --> 01:52:06,187
<i>and who must find the will to rebuild.</i>

1830
01:52:06,653 --> 01:52:11,033
<i>To the oppressed and to those
whose let it is to struggle...</i>

1831
01:52:11,191 --> 01:52:14,934
<i>in financial hardship
or in failing health.</i>

1832
01:52:16,363 --> 01:52:17,899
<i>To my fellow journalists...</i>

1833
01:52:18,332 --> 01:52:22,781
<i>in places where reporting the truth
means risking all.</i>

1834
01:52:23,403 --> 01:52:26,282
<i>And to each of you...</i>

1835
01:52:27,241 --> 01:52:28,743
. . . courage.

1836
01:52:29,943 --> 01:52:33,390
<i>For the CBS Evening News,
Dan Rather reporting.</i>

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01:52:34,881 --> 01:52:36,451
<i>Good night.</i>

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01:52:39,853 --> 01:52:42,925
♪♪♪

1839
01:52:54,601 --> 01:52:56,603
[INAUDIBLE]

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01:53:43,317 --> 01:53:45,319
♪♪♪

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01:54:06,006 --> 01:54:07,713
[SOBBING]

1842
01:54:14,047 --> 01:54:16,823
- My God. Heh.
- Heh.

1843
01:54:19,286 --> 01:54:21,163
You wanna go for a walk?

1844
01:54:21,321 --> 01:54:22,823
Yeah.

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♪♪♪

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♪♪♪