1 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,912 This season made Married at First Sight history. 2 00:00:12,913 --> 00:00:14,664 That's right. For the first time ever, 3 00:00:14,665 --> 00:00:17,124 seven couples took the ultimate leap of faith... 4 00:00:17,125 --> 00:00:21,087 And we had the absolute privilege of guiding them through a journey of a lifetime: 5 00:00:21,088 --> 00:00:23,756 marrying a complete stranger. 6 00:00:23,757 --> 00:00:27,009 Now it's been almost a year since these couples faced the biggest question of all: 7 00:00:27,010 --> 00:00:29,470 whether to stay married or get divorced. 8 00:00:29,471 --> 00:00:31,931 Absolutely. Now, what happened when the cameras stopped rolling... 9 00:00:31,932 --> 00:00:34,308 And what questions were left unanswered? 10 00:00:34,309 --> 00:00:36,477 Well, kick off your swim socks and get comfortable, 11 00:00:36,478 --> 00:00:38,187 because we've got all the answers. 12 00:00:38,188 --> 00:00:41,232 - I'm Paul C. Brunson. - And I'm Dr. Lisa Paz. 13 00:00:41,233 --> 00:00:45,152 Welcome to the Married at First Sight Reunion! 14 00:00:49,783 --> 00:00:52,052 {\an8}♪ Just in the nick of time ♪ 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,873 {\an8}And now, please join us in welcoming 16 00:00:57,874 --> 00:00:59,625 {\an8}all seven of the couples 17 00:00:59,626 --> 00:01:02,169 {\an8}from Married at First Sight Seattle. 18 00:01:05,549 --> 00:01:09,069 {\an8}First up, Courteney and Nick. 19 00:01:12,806 --> 00:01:14,473 {\an8}Nikki and Shawn. 20 00:01:18,061 --> 00:01:20,688 {\an8}Devin and Caitlin. 21 00:01:20,689 --> 00:01:22,207 {\an8}Both in green! 22 00:01:23,817 --> 00:01:25,711 {\an8}Tori and Felipe. 23 00:01:30,741 --> 00:01:33,218 {\an8}Marissa and Adam. 24 00:01:35,954 --> 00:01:38,122 {\an8}What's good, what's good? 25 00:01:38,123 --> 00:01:40,559 {\an8}Bellé and Mecca. 26 00:01:43,545 --> 00:01:47,131 {\an8}And finally, Michelle and Cameron. 27 00:01:50,761 --> 00:01:53,596 {\an8}Welcome, everybody. 28 00:01:53,597 --> 00:01:56,682 {\an8}Welcome, guys. Welcome, welcome, welcome. 29 00:01:56,683 --> 00:01:58,785 Why don't you go ahead and take a seat? 30 00:01:59,770 --> 00:02:01,562 I wanna welcome everyone. 31 00:02:01,563 --> 00:02:03,522 It is great to have you all here. 32 00:02:03,523 --> 00:02:07,485 And for the first time ever, we have a live studio audience. 33 00:02:07,486 --> 00:02:11,947 {\an8}Yes. Yes. Yes. 34 00:02:11,948 --> 00:02:15,826 {\an8}So we wanna thank all of your friends and family for joining us today. 35 00:02:15,827 --> 00:02:19,121 Absolutely. We have so much to catch up on. 36 00:02:19,122 --> 00:02:23,626 We matched you all based on core values, on deal breakers, 37 00:02:23,627 --> 00:02:27,129 and what you told us that you desired most in a partner. 38 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:31,300 What we couldn't account for, obviously, is if there was gonna be a spark, 39 00:02:31,301 --> 00:02:36,972 who was willing to do the work, and obviously how important pickleball was to some of you. 40 00:02:36,973 --> 00:02:39,517 Well, let's get down to business. 41 00:02:39,518 --> 00:02:43,062 Michelle, Cameron, you two look very happy. 42 00:02:43,063 --> 00:02:45,231 But can you confirm, still married? 43 00:02:45,232 --> 00:02:47,650 - Still married. Yes. Happily. - Still married. 44 00:02:50,904 --> 00:02:52,863 Amazing. 45 00:02:52,864 --> 00:02:54,615 We are absolutely thrilled. 46 00:02:54,616 --> 00:02:56,409 Okay, this is exactly why we do this. 47 00:02:56,410 --> 00:03:00,162 Now, when we last saw you, Michelle, you lived in Seattle. 48 00:03:00,163 --> 00:03:01,831 Cameron, you're in Portland. 49 00:03:01,832 --> 00:03:04,500 So how have the two of you navigated that? 50 00:03:04,501 --> 00:03:07,253 Well, right after the show ended, Michelle got laid off, 51 00:03:07,254 --> 00:03:08,754 which, you know... 52 00:03:08,755 --> 00:03:10,798 ...ended up being a blessing in disguise 53 00:03:10,799 --> 00:03:12,508 'cause she was able to move down to Portland, 54 00:03:12,509 --> 00:03:14,927 and, you know, we were able to live together. 55 00:03:14,928 --> 00:03:19,223 And then I recently got a coaching job in California, 56 00:03:19,224 --> 00:03:21,517 so we're gonna be moving down to the Bay Area. 57 00:03:21,518 --> 00:03:23,644 You know, she's moving out of Seattle for the first time, 58 00:03:23,645 --> 00:03:25,396 so we got a lot of exciting things. 59 00:03:25,397 --> 00:03:27,189 - Look at that! - Oh, my God, that's so good! 60 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:28,441 - Look at that! - I know, right? 61 00:03:28,442 --> 00:03:30,526 - So good. - Yeah. 62 00:03:30,527 --> 00:03:33,487 For someone who had never been in a serious relationship, 63 00:03:33,488 --> 00:03:35,698 tell me how the first year of marriage has been. 64 00:03:35,699 --> 00:03:40,828 It's been incredible. Uh, you know, I think it was really helpful 65 00:03:40,829 --> 00:03:43,497 to kind of get out all these, you know, 66 00:03:43,498 --> 00:03:47,460 my, like, fears and anxieties to her, you know, early on. 67 00:03:47,461 --> 00:03:51,213 And I had a feeling, like, once I got married and met her, 68 00:03:51,214 --> 00:03:54,759 like, I knew I was gonna get, like, a better job or something. 69 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,510 Like, I knew something good was gonna happen. 70 00:03:56,511 --> 00:03:58,554 - You even said-- - I didn't know what it was. 71 00:03:58,555 --> 00:04:00,431 You even said you felt like the trajectory of your life 72 00:04:00,432 --> 00:04:02,892 - was gonna go up because of meeting Michelle. - Yeah. 73 00:04:02,893 --> 00:04:06,562 - It sounds like it has. - And it just, it's gotten better ever since. 74 00:04:06,563 --> 00:04:09,523 What's been the highlight of year one? 75 00:04:09,524 --> 00:04:11,817 - He proposed! - What? 76 00:04:14,654 --> 00:04:17,072 What was really special was he was like, 77 00:04:17,073 --> 00:04:21,452 I don't wanna miss out on this huge opportunity for us 78 00:04:21,453 --> 00:04:23,579 just because we did things in reverse. 79 00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:25,581 And so he surprised me. 80 00:04:25,582 --> 00:04:28,417 I wanted to have the experience of proposing. 81 00:04:28,418 --> 00:04:32,171 You know, I've always thought that's, like, such a beautiful moment, 82 00:04:32,172 --> 00:04:35,591 and it was funny 'cause, like, even though I was like, 83 00:04:35,592 --> 00:04:37,593 "I'm not gonna be nervous 'cause we're already married." 84 00:04:37,594 --> 00:04:39,720 But, like, I had the ring and we went out 85 00:04:39,721 --> 00:04:42,556 and I was, like, shaking, like, I was so nervous. 86 00:04:42,557 --> 00:04:44,433 Like, crazy adrenaline. 87 00:04:44,434 --> 00:04:45,976 Like, it was a beautiful moment, 88 00:04:45,977 --> 00:04:48,229 and I wanted to make sure she had that and, 89 00:04:48,230 --> 00:04:50,439 you know, got her a new ring. 90 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,108 - So I just wanted to do everything, you know? So... - Okay. 91 00:04:53,109 --> 00:04:56,755 Oh, this is good. This is good. This is good. This is good. 92 00:04:57,322 --> 00:05:00,616 Now, look, Cameron, we hear it was a good moment, 93 00:05:00,617 --> 00:05:03,619 but we'd like to see if it was a good moment. 94 00:05:03,620 --> 00:05:06,372 And we actually have a video of it. 95 00:05:06,373 --> 00:05:08,958 - So let's take a look. - Oh, my God. I'm so excited. 96 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:13,587 {\an8}All right, so Michelle has no clue that I'm about to propose to her. 97 00:05:13,588 --> 00:05:15,172 {\an8}Even though we're already married. 98 00:05:15,173 --> 00:05:17,049 {\an8}I've actually bought her a new ring, 99 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:19,051 {\an8}one I think she's gonna love, 100 00:05:19,052 --> 00:05:20,678 {\an8}and we're meeting at Alki Point. 101 00:05:20,679 --> 00:05:24,223 She has no clue. Her best friend is gonna film the whole thing. 102 00:05:24,224 --> 00:05:25,826 Let's see how it goes. 103 00:05:27,143 --> 00:05:29,663 {\an8}Please! Stop! 104 00:05:31,314 --> 00:05:32,832 {\an8}Aww. 105 00:05:47,706 --> 00:05:52,835 {\an8}♪ I do, for the one who would Finally love all of you ♪ 106 00:05:52,836 --> 00:05:55,004 ♪ For you ♪ 107 00:05:55,005 --> 00:05:57,339 ♪ I do ♪ 108 00:06:00,010 --> 00:06:01,945 Let me see the ring. 109 00:06:03,179 --> 00:06:06,557 - We're gonna just... I mean... - That's a big boy rock right there. 110 00:06:06,558 --> 00:06:09,602 A lot of balls in the basket for this one, yeah? 111 00:06:09,603 --> 00:06:12,438 - It's a rock. That's a rock. - That's a rock. 112 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:15,858 The roughest moment for you guys, or the big hurdle, 113 00:06:15,859 --> 00:06:18,694 was when you had learned that Michelle wanted someone 114 00:06:18,695 --> 00:06:20,946 that made at least $150,000 a year, 115 00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:23,490 and that wasn't the case at the time. 116 00:06:23,491 --> 00:06:26,201 Can you tell us a little bit how you guys have been navigating that this first year? 117 00:06:26,202 --> 00:06:30,497 I feel like talking about finances is something that a lot of couples shy away from... 118 00:06:30,498 --> 00:06:32,583 - Yes. - ...because it can be really awkward. 119 00:06:32,584 --> 00:06:36,253 But because we talked about that so early on, 120 00:06:36,254 --> 00:06:38,339 and it was also so publicized too, 121 00:06:38,340 --> 00:06:42,509 if anything, it's made talking about finances really easy for us. 122 00:06:42,510 --> 00:06:44,553 It's actually been really good and really healthy. 123 00:06:44,554 --> 00:06:46,805 Absolutely, and look, Michelle is unemployed now. 124 00:06:48,433 --> 00:06:50,726 Cameron makes more than Michelle now! 125 00:06:50,727 --> 00:06:54,355 - There we go. - The tables have turned. 126 00:06:54,356 --> 00:06:57,399 - Cameron makes more! - I have a job now. I have a job now! 127 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,235 Go, Cam! 128 00:07:00,236 --> 00:07:03,989 Michelle, you ultimately acknowledged that money wasn't everything, 129 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:05,574 especially now that you've found love. 130 00:07:05,575 --> 00:07:08,535 - Mm-hmm. - Okay, what was your reaction 131 00:07:08,536 --> 00:07:13,082 to watching Shawn say that down the line, you'll realize that you settled 132 00:07:13,083 --> 00:07:16,251 by marrying a man who made less than you wanted 133 00:07:16,252 --> 00:07:18,420 and you would end up unhappy? 134 00:07:18,421 --> 00:07:21,590 You know, at the dinner a few days before, 135 00:07:21,591 --> 00:07:23,968 I think I definitely made it obvious 136 00:07:23,969 --> 00:07:27,680 that I didn't think that Shawn and Nikki were each other's person. 137 00:07:27,681 --> 00:07:31,308 I feel like it was just a reaction to that, 138 00:07:31,309 --> 00:07:33,519 an emotional reaction. 139 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,898 If I'm honest, I'm not getting romantic vibes between the two of you. 140 00:07:37,899 --> 00:07:40,985 Nikki, based off of your body language, 141 00:07:40,986 --> 00:07:44,214 I'm not getting the sense that he's your person. 142 00:07:44,748 --> 00:07:48,617 When I heard it, I think he was definitely trying to throw shade 143 00:07:48,618 --> 00:07:53,455 and say that, you know, Michelle was settling. 144 00:07:53,456 --> 00:07:55,916 That whole scene started with me saying, 145 00:07:55,917 --> 00:07:58,335 I think Cam and Michelle are good for each other. 146 00:07:58,336 --> 00:08:01,463 I don't feel like any negative energy was towards you 147 00:08:01,464 --> 00:08:03,173 for saying your opinion about anything. 148 00:08:03,174 --> 00:08:05,300 Uh, at almost 50 years old, 149 00:08:05,301 --> 00:08:07,970 I don't take people's opinions and internalize them like that. 150 00:08:07,971 --> 00:08:11,432 Um, I am sort of the type of person that's, like, honest, 151 00:08:11,433 --> 00:08:12,933 and I think in the Pacific Northwest, 152 00:08:12,934 --> 00:08:15,227 being direct and honest is not considered kind. 153 00:08:15,228 --> 00:08:18,647 - Fair. - But I actually think what I saw was what was true, 154 00:08:18,648 --> 00:08:21,025 which was that you wanted something that he did not have. 155 00:08:21,026 --> 00:08:23,235 Trust me, I don't go after these conversations 156 00:08:23,236 --> 00:08:26,113 thinking about, like, being hurt by what is said, 157 00:08:26,114 --> 00:08:29,408 because I'm more pro-marriage than I am against it, 158 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:31,452 and I'm always gonna be rooting for that. 159 00:08:31,453 --> 00:08:34,038 But I do think it was a little bit of a sting for you, Shawn, 160 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,332 and I don't necessarily remember the presupposition that they're great. 161 00:08:37,333 --> 00:08:41,086 It was an affirmative, "They're not gonna work. She's settling." 162 00:08:41,087 --> 00:08:44,381 So I think if you're gonna stand by your opinion, stand by it. 163 00:08:44,382 --> 00:08:46,216 If you said it, just own it. 164 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:53,390 We're gonna get to more with Cam and Michelle, 165 00:08:53,391 --> 00:08:57,936 but now it is time to talk with all the other couples. 166 00:08:57,937 --> 00:09:00,022 They say to make a marriage work 167 00:09:00,023 --> 00:09:04,693 that you have to be willing to sit in the mud with your partner. 168 00:09:04,694 --> 00:09:07,196 Well, this couple took it a step further, 169 00:09:07,197 --> 00:09:11,075 and we're talking about all the way to the porta potties. 170 00:09:13,203 --> 00:09:16,538 - You are our other couple that left as a yes. - Mm-hmm. 171 00:09:16,539 --> 00:09:18,058 Bellé, what's the current status? 172 00:09:19,584 --> 00:09:22,294 - Nope. - You're not married still. 173 00:09:22,295 --> 00:09:26,215 Was the breakup mutual? Did one of you initiate it? 174 00:09:26,216 --> 00:09:27,549 - I did. - You did. 175 00:09:27,550 --> 00:09:29,384 Can you tell us a little bit about that? 176 00:09:29,385 --> 00:09:31,095 As soon as those cameras cut, 177 00:09:31,096 --> 00:09:33,388 something in me just went, "whoosh." 178 00:09:33,389 --> 00:09:36,517 After I left that experience, I'm like, wow, like, 179 00:09:36,518 --> 00:09:41,563 I really just sat here and disregarded how I felt about everything 180 00:09:41,564 --> 00:09:45,943 to cater to another person's feelings, which I had been doing my whole life. 181 00:09:45,944 --> 00:09:50,114 And this was an opportunity for me to listen to Paul and you guys 182 00:09:50,115 --> 00:09:53,826 of, like, putting myself first, and I truly did not. 183 00:09:53,827 --> 00:09:55,869 It's funny, 'cause at Retreat you were already feeling that way. 184 00:09:55,870 --> 00:09:57,746 - I remember at Retreat you said... - Yeah, I was, I was. 185 00:09:57,747 --> 00:10:00,124 ...the Bellé on camera is taking things 186 00:10:00,125 --> 00:10:02,709 - that the Bellé outside of this experiment would not take. - Right. 187 00:10:02,710 --> 00:10:05,754 I think there is a way of explaining 188 00:10:05,755 --> 00:10:08,715 what your dream girl or dream guy is 189 00:10:08,716 --> 00:10:11,426 without bashing the next. 190 00:10:11,427 --> 00:10:14,179 So you definitely did do this, 191 00:10:14,180 --> 00:10:16,807 and when you came to talk to me about it, 192 00:10:16,808 --> 00:10:19,601 you're like, "Oh, it wasn't supposed to get back to you." 193 00:10:19,602 --> 00:10:21,728 It's on national TV. 194 00:10:21,729 --> 00:10:24,189 It was gonna get back to me either way it went. 195 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:27,609 So what are we talking about? So, your comment of saying your dream girl, 196 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:29,862 you're not wrong in saying that. 197 00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:33,490 But to do all of this and you're giving the specifics, absolutely insane. 198 00:10:33,491 --> 00:10:36,201 - Adam asked the question and I described my preference. - That's fine-- 199 00:10:36,202 --> 00:10:37,744 - That's fine-- - I said a thicker girl. 200 00:10:37,745 --> 00:10:40,330 But it's the way you did it, though. 201 00:10:40,331 --> 00:10:43,667 It's the way you did it, it was disrespectful, along with a plethora of things 202 00:10:43,668 --> 00:10:45,586 that were disrespectful that you did. 203 00:10:45,587 --> 00:10:47,462 Mecca shouldn't have said it in the first place. 204 00:10:47,463 --> 00:10:49,756 Shouldn't have what? 205 00:10:49,757 --> 00:10:51,717 - You shouldn't have said it in the first place. - Yeah, if we're talking 206 00:10:51,718 --> 00:10:53,427 - about the root cause-- - There was nothing wrong with what I said. 207 00:10:53,428 --> 00:10:55,637 You were manipulating Bellé the whole time. 208 00:10:55,638 --> 00:10:57,723 - We can't get mad at a secondary effect when it's-- - Wait. 209 00:10:57,724 --> 00:10:59,766 - If you look at the root. - What do you mean, there was nothing wrong 210 00:10:59,767 --> 00:11:01,226 - with what you said, Mec? - What was the question, Adam? 211 00:11:01,227 --> 00:11:02,686 Adam, what was the question you asked me? 212 00:11:02,687 --> 00:11:04,438 What does your dream girl look like, right? 213 00:11:04,439 --> 00:11:05,981 - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I described it, right? 214 00:11:05,982 --> 00:11:07,191 - Yeah. - So then what did you say-- 215 00:11:07,192 --> 00:11:08,901 Michelle, what did you tell Bellé? 216 00:11:08,902 --> 00:11:11,486 That you said that she wasn't your dream girl, which... 217 00:11:11,487 --> 00:11:16,116 That's not what you said. You said, "Mecca wants a girl with bigger tits." 218 00:11:16,117 --> 00:11:18,660 - That's exactly what you said. - That's what I had heard. 219 00:11:18,661 --> 00:11:21,121 - That's not what I said. - And maybe I misheard that. 220 00:11:21,122 --> 00:11:22,539 I described my dream girl based on the question that Adam asked. 221 00:11:22,540 --> 00:11:25,167 - Can I please... - I said a thicker girl. 222 00:11:25,168 --> 00:11:27,461 - Can I please-- can I please-- - That's how I answered Adam's question. 223 00:11:27,462 --> 00:11:29,838 - Can I please say something? - It had nothing to do with Bellé. 224 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:32,841 We're doing this at the end when we're, like, days away from Decision Day. 225 00:11:32,842 --> 00:11:34,593 - So it's just, like-- - And you should back her up. 226 00:11:34,594 --> 00:11:36,762 - She's your wife. You should never-- - Crazy. 227 00:11:36,763 --> 00:11:38,847 - Like, that's your person. - You should have been like, 228 00:11:38,848 --> 00:11:40,849 "Even though she's not exactly, like, what I'm lo--" 229 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:42,851 Yeah, you then said, like, "Oh, her personality," all of that stuff. 230 00:11:42,852 --> 00:11:45,437 But there was definitely a different way to word 231 00:11:45,438 --> 00:11:48,023 what you said instead of, "Yeah, but she can't change this." 232 00:11:48,024 --> 00:11:49,691 - Like, what are we talking about? - I wanna say something. 233 00:11:49,692 --> 00:11:51,652 - I didn't say that. - You definitely did. 234 00:11:51,653 --> 00:11:53,654 - You definitely did. - I did not say you cannot change this. 235 00:11:53,655 --> 00:11:55,614 - I did not say that. - You definitely did. - You did, Mecs. 236 00:11:55,615 --> 00:11:57,115 Describe your dream girl physically. 237 00:11:57,116 --> 00:11:58,992 Little bit thicker. Not gonna lie. 238 00:11:58,993 --> 00:12:01,203 And you don't think she could, like, get to that physique? 239 00:12:01,204 --> 00:12:02,955 Not here. Not here. 240 00:12:02,956 --> 00:12:05,582 I'm surprised that you're standing by it. 241 00:12:05,583 --> 00:12:08,168 I really thought when it was gonna come out tonight, 242 00:12:08,169 --> 00:12:09,920 I thought you were gonna be like, "Man, that was a bad look." 243 00:12:09,921 --> 00:12:13,131 It hurt her, whether you intended to or not, it hurt. 244 00:12:13,132 --> 00:12:18,637 So, Mecca, how many days, how many weeks before you all broke up? 245 00:12:18,638 --> 00:12:20,722 Three weeks to a month? 246 00:12:20,723 --> 00:12:22,891 - A few weeks. Yeah, somewhere in there. - Quickly. 247 00:12:22,892 --> 00:12:25,811 - So take us through. Cameras stop rolling... - Uh-huh. 248 00:12:25,812 --> 00:12:27,980 ...and what happened? 249 00:12:27,981 --> 00:12:31,650 There were different parties and stuff and functions we would go to where... 250 00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:34,569 Mecca is just genuinely, like, flirting 251 00:12:34,570 --> 00:12:36,446 with every woman in the building, 252 00:12:36,447 --> 00:12:38,240 and I'm sitting right there. 253 00:12:38,241 --> 00:12:41,118 And really, the alcohol started to play a part as well. 254 00:12:41,119 --> 00:12:44,371 Constantly being called a different name every time he got drunk. 255 00:12:44,372 --> 00:12:46,581 - He would call you a different name? - Absolutely. 256 00:12:46,582 --> 00:12:47,916 What name did he call you? 257 00:12:47,917 --> 00:12:49,584 Seriously. 258 00:12:49,585 --> 00:12:51,044 - Bree. - Okay. 259 00:12:51,045 --> 00:12:52,629 - Yeah. - Who is Bree? 260 00:12:52,630 --> 00:12:55,299 It's someone that I was seeing before the experience. 261 00:12:57,218 --> 00:12:59,094 And so at this point, it's just like, Bellé, 262 00:12:59,095 --> 00:13:01,513 what more do you need to leave this situation? 263 00:13:01,514 --> 00:13:04,141 Like, you should've been left, to be honest. 264 00:13:04,142 --> 00:13:06,184 I should've been at Cancún. 265 00:13:06,185 --> 00:13:08,437 I should've packed my bags and got up out of there. 266 00:13:08,438 --> 00:13:12,899 I'm more disappointed that I neglected myself more than anything else, 267 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:15,610 and in every scene, I'm seeing me stand up for Mecca, 268 00:13:15,611 --> 00:13:18,447 and I have so much fire to stand up for my marriage, 269 00:13:18,448 --> 00:13:21,366 I should've had that same fire to stand up for myself 270 00:13:21,367 --> 00:13:24,453 - every time. - Wow. Wow. Yeah. 271 00:13:26,414 --> 00:13:28,665 It's interesting because I think me and Felipe 272 00:13:28,666 --> 00:13:31,918 had the commonality of that disrespectful word vomit. 273 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:33,420 - You know? - Yes. 274 00:13:33,421 --> 00:13:35,213 So... 275 00:13:35,214 --> 00:13:37,257 No, I mean it lovingly, but yes. 276 00:13:37,258 --> 00:13:39,885 Diarrhea of the mouth in the worst way possible. 277 00:13:39,886 --> 00:13:42,679 Especially that, you know, dialogue piece, 278 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:45,015 because that was the underlying problem. 279 00:13:45,016 --> 00:13:49,686 You know, just Bellé continually feeling like I was trying to humble her, 280 00:13:49,687 --> 00:13:51,730 which was never my intentions. 281 00:13:51,731 --> 00:13:54,399 I don't try to put myself on a pedestal. 282 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,944 I never felt as if I was higher than Bellé. 283 00:13:57,945 --> 00:13:59,988 If anything, she would be higher than me. 284 00:13:59,989 --> 00:14:02,324 She deserves to be elevated and put on a pedestal. 285 00:14:02,325 --> 00:14:05,285 She's a queen, you know, and she presents herself as such. 286 00:14:05,286 --> 00:14:07,996 - She carries herself as such. - Word vomit, 287 00:14:07,997 --> 00:14:10,165 that's not the only thing that your problem was. 288 00:14:10,166 --> 00:14:13,710 Your problem definitely was trying to humble me. 289 00:14:13,711 --> 00:14:16,755 No man, especially a confident man, 290 00:14:16,756 --> 00:14:21,134 is never finna tell another grown woman, 291 00:14:21,135 --> 00:14:23,011 "Are you pretty enough for me?" 292 00:14:23,012 --> 00:14:24,846 That's not even gonna come out of your mouth 293 00:14:24,847 --> 00:14:26,556 unless you're trying to humble somebody. 294 00:14:26,557 --> 00:14:29,851 Sorry, but that is what it is. 295 00:14:29,852 --> 00:14:31,269 - I don't care what you say-- - No. 296 00:14:31,270 --> 00:14:33,480 - Okay, and that's fine. - I was not. 297 00:14:33,481 --> 00:14:36,191 You can agree to disagree, but I know what it is because I feel it. 298 00:14:36,192 --> 00:14:38,026 - It's not a-- - I know what it is 'cause I said it. 299 00:14:38,027 --> 00:14:40,195 - Yeah, you said it-- - I know what my intentions were. 300 00:14:40,196 --> 00:14:41,863 - Baby. - I know what I was trying to do. 301 00:14:41,864 --> 00:14:43,907 Okay, well, I'm telling you right now-- 302 00:14:43,908 --> 00:14:46,201 - I was not trying to humble you. - Like, why else would you say it, then? 303 00:14:46,202 --> 00:14:49,204 Please, I would love to know. Is that word vomit? 304 00:14:49,205 --> 00:14:51,039 That's definitely different from word vomit. 305 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,125 That's, "Girl, you not all that." 306 00:14:53,126 --> 00:14:55,544 It's funny 'cause I can already sense animosity. 307 00:14:55,545 --> 00:14:58,338 Well, I mean, obviously, Mecca! 308 00:14:58,339 --> 00:15:01,508 I haven't seen this before. We've talked since the breakup, 309 00:15:01,509 --> 00:15:04,594 and we've had casual and cordial conversations 310 00:15:04,595 --> 00:15:06,972 where it's, you know, friendly and it's not-- 311 00:15:06,973 --> 00:15:09,057 there's no tension, so I haven't seen this before. 312 00:15:09,058 --> 00:15:11,476 It's not animosity what you're feeling right now. 313 00:15:11,477 --> 00:15:14,896 It's my truth, and it's the fire you should have been getting all season, 314 00:15:14,897 --> 00:15:17,899 - is what you're feeling, it's not animosity. - Are you-- are you not-- 315 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:20,444 - Are you not angry right now? - I'm not angry. I'm passionate about myself. 316 00:15:20,445 --> 00:15:22,654 I'm standing up for myself how I was doing for you the whole season. 317 00:15:22,655 --> 00:15:24,865 Ow-ow! 318 00:15:24,866 --> 00:15:27,701 Yeah, as you should. As you should. 319 00:15:27,702 --> 00:15:29,744 You shouldn't be trying to play defense right now. 320 00:15:29,745 --> 00:15:31,580 That's not gonna work in your favor. 321 00:15:31,581 --> 00:15:35,083 Your best bet is to say, "I'm sorry. I messed up, and I'm sorry." 322 00:15:35,084 --> 00:15:37,103 That's it. That's it. 323 00:15:38,404 --> 00:15:42,632 - I didn't even get to the point where I could apologize. - Yeah. 324 00:15:42,633 --> 00:15:46,303 - There's a lot of energy-- - 'Cause you're already being on defense mode. 325 00:15:46,304 --> 00:15:49,389 I just have to say, like, this-- Girl, yes. 326 00:15:49,390 --> 00:15:51,766 I was shocked throughout the season. 327 00:15:51,767 --> 00:15:55,103 When I was there and not there, like, you stood by Mecca, 328 00:15:55,104 --> 00:15:57,647 and that was the one thing-- I was stunned. 329 00:15:57,648 --> 00:16:01,234 And I like to see you fired up, because you deserve more... 330 00:16:01,235 --> 00:16:03,445 - Thank you. - ...and you deserve respect, and I love that. 331 00:16:03,446 --> 00:16:07,157 Yeah, and the crazy thing is, in that moment at the cabin, 332 00:16:07,158 --> 00:16:09,993 where you were just like, "Was that aimed towards me? 333 00:16:09,994 --> 00:16:11,995 'Cause I've never seen Bellé like that." 334 00:16:11,996 --> 00:16:13,914 Like, first of all, a hit dog will holler, 335 00:16:13,915 --> 00:16:15,874 'cause I wasn't even talking about you, 336 00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:17,709 but the fact that you felt all that fire 337 00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:19,544 was obviously for a reason. 338 00:16:19,545 --> 00:16:21,046 At the end of the day, you have a choice. 339 00:16:21,047 --> 00:16:22,797 Regardless of what you've been through, 340 00:16:22,798 --> 00:16:26,218 you have a choice to still show up as a decent human being. 341 00:16:26,219 --> 00:16:27,552 - Absolutely. - And you did not do that. 342 00:16:27,553 --> 00:16:29,888 - And I failed to do that, yes. - Okay. 343 00:16:29,889 --> 00:16:31,890 I've never-- I've never denied that. 344 00:16:31,891 --> 00:16:35,602 I think what Bellé is saying is right in terms of, like, 345 00:16:35,603 --> 00:16:37,646 wanting to see more accountability from you... 346 00:16:37,647 --> 00:16:40,440 - Where? When? - ...and I think this is a safe space for you 347 00:16:40,441 --> 00:16:43,026 to say more about why you showed up that way 348 00:16:43,027 --> 00:16:45,237 - and maybe what you've learned and how you've grown... - Right. 349 00:16:45,238 --> 00:16:47,322 - ...over the last year as-- - I haven't had the opport-- 350 00:16:47,323 --> 00:16:49,157 - I mean, she just got done talking... - I said you have the floor. 351 00:16:49,158 --> 00:16:52,077 ...and then Courteney chimed in, and then you just got done talking. 352 00:16:52,078 --> 00:16:54,538 - Okay, we'll give you the floor. - I haven't had the floor. 353 00:16:54,539 --> 00:16:56,748 I've just been agreeing with everything, 354 00:16:56,749 --> 00:17:00,168 and all I've been doing here on this couch is taking accountability. 355 00:17:00,169 --> 00:17:02,522 I haven't denied the disrespect. 356 00:17:04,382 --> 00:17:06,174 I mean, you've been a little defensive, brother. 357 00:17:06,175 --> 00:17:08,385 What do I have not taken accountability for? 358 00:17:08,386 --> 00:17:09,928 - You've been a little defensive. - About? 359 00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:11,513 Everything that she's saying. 360 00:17:11,514 --> 00:17:13,848 Everything she's saying? - For the most part. 361 00:17:13,849 --> 00:17:15,642 - I've agreed with all of it. - Mecca, why don't you take the chance now? 362 00:17:15,643 --> 00:17:17,477 - This is your chance, brother. - I'm going to. I'm going to. 363 00:17:17,478 --> 00:17:19,062 - It's your chance. - Is everyone done? 364 00:17:19,063 --> 00:17:20,564 Does anyone else have anything else to say about 365 00:17:20,565 --> 00:17:22,375 how shitty of a person I was on the show? 366 00:17:28,447 --> 00:17:31,116 {\an8}- Mecca, why don't you take the chance now? - I'm going to. 367 00:17:31,117 --> 00:17:34,160 {\an8}- I'm going to. Is everyone-- Is everyone done? - It's your chance. 368 00:17:34,161 --> 00:17:36,037 {\an8}Does anyone else have anything else to say about 369 00:17:36,038 --> 00:17:37,789 {\an8}how shitty of a person I was on the show? 370 00:17:37,790 --> 00:17:40,667 {\an8}- We get it, okay? - Nobody's saying you're a shitty person. 371 00:17:40,668 --> 00:17:42,919 {\an8}- You're one of my boys, bro. - "You failed to be a decent human being." 372 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,547 {\an8}You're one of my boys, bro. You know I got your back. 373 00:17:45,548 --> 00:17:47,841 {\an8}- We all have flaws. We've all made mistakes. - Yeah. 374 00:17:47,842 --> 00:17:49,968 {\an8}Like, we love you. We're just saying, like, we wanna give you the floor. 375 00:17:49,969 --> 00:17:51,011 {\an8}- We wanna hear from you. - Yes. 376 00:17:51,012 --> 00:17:52,405 {\an8}We wanna work on some healing. 377 00:17:53,556 --> 00:17:55,741 {\an8}That's-- that's fine. That's fine. 378 00:17:56,208 --> 00:17:59,561 {\an8}My truth is that I'm highly disappointed 379 00:17:59,562 --> 00:18:01,646 {\an8}in what I presented on the show. 380 00:18:01,647 --> 00:18:05,275 It was disrespectful, uncalled for, unnecessary commentary. 381 00:18:05,276 --> 00:18:08,028 It was diminishing dialogue, 382 00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:11,156 which is reminiscent of trying to humble someone, yes. 383 00:18:11,157 --> 00:18:13,491 Even though if that wasn't my intention, 384 00:18:13,492 --> 00:18:15,803 that's how you felt, and that's not fair to you. 385 00:18:16,404 --> 00:18:18,997 I failed you. Absolutely. 386 00:18:18,998 --> 00:18:22,125 I failed to be a decent man, a decent human being, a decent husband. 387 00:18:22,126 --> 00:18:24,353 My truth also is that I am... 388 00:18:25,388 --> 00:18:29,466 grateful of the grace and forgiveness that you gave me, 389 00:18:29,467 --> 00:18:31,092 even when I wasn't deserving of it. 390 00:18:31,093 --> 00:18:34,447 And I do sincerely apologize for failing you in that way. 391 00:18:36,307 --> 00:18:39,517 So, yeah. That's my truth. 392 00:18:39,518 --> 00:18:43,438 Obviously Paul and I hope that everyone finds love in this. 393 00:18:43,439 --> 00:18:46,524 When you don't, we at least hope that you grow from it 394 00:18:46,525 --> 00:18:49,110 and that you learn and you continue to strengthen yourself. 395 00:18:49,111 --> 00:18:51,613 That feels evident that it has happened. 396 00:18:56,035 --> 00:19:00,872 {\an8}Well, now it's time to talk with Felipe and Tori. 397 00:19:00,873 --> 00:19:06,378 The most shocking moment of Decision Day was, Tori, 398 00:19:06,379 --> 00:19:11,132 you revealed that Felipe told you that he thought 399 00:19:11,133 --> 00:19:13,968 about cheating on you every single day of the marriage. 400 00:19:13,969 --> 00:19:16,238 Absolutely insane comment. 401 00:19:17,306 --> 00:19:19,557 Diabolical. Like, who says that? 402 00:19:19,558 --> 00:19:21,810 {\an8}And he thought that he'd get away with it. 403 00:19:21,811 --> 00:19:24,104 {\an8}He said it without cameras there, and I'm like, we all have diary cams. 404 00:19:24,105 --> 00:19:26,231 {\an8}Like, you're not getting away with it. 405 00:19:26,232 --> 00:19:28,733 {\an8}And it's great that Tori got her last words in right before Decision Day. 406 00:19:28,734 --> 00:19:31,903 What did you say specifically to her off-camera? 407 00:19:31,904 --> 00:19:36,366 In my-- And trust me, I did a lot of self-reflection in the past year. 408 00:19:36,367 --> 00:19:40,829 And in that moment, I said that I was thinking about cheating on her constantly. 409 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:44,624 I was too cowardly to just be honest 410 00:19:44,625 --> 00:19:49,212 and say that this has been a lot for me, this whole experience, 411 00:19:49,213 --> 00:19:52,966 and I needed to just, like, take a break. 412 00:19:52,967 --> 00:19:55,885 I wanted her to realize that she didn't wanna be with me, 413 00:19:55,886 --> 00:19:57,345 not me just tell her that. 414 00:19:57,346 --> 00:20:00,098 Okay, all right. So thank you for disclosing that. 415 00:20:00,099 --> 00:20:02,267 Tori, what we heard you say is that 416 00:20:02,268 --> 00:20:05,603 you wish you had gone in on Felipe. 417 00:20:05,604 --> 00:20:09,607 - Mm-hmm. - So, what more do you wish that you had said that day? 418 00:20:09,608 --> 00:20:11,943 I wish I would have stood up for myself. 419 00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:15,530 You know, even though you didn't see my worth, like, I wish I would have. 420 00:20:15,531 --> 00:20:17,949 I don't think you should've ever done this experiment. 421 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:20,034 I don't think you deserved to be matched with me. 422 00:20:20,035 --> 00:20:21,953 I think you put me through hell. 423 00:20:21,954 --> 00:20:25,165 I stood by you. I stood up for you. 424 00:20:25,166 --> 00:20:27,208 And I believed in you. 425 00:20:27,209 --> 00:20:31,588 And I don't think you ever should've been even around me. 426 00:20:31,589 --> 00:20:35,467 Tori mentioned that you told her 427 00:20:35,468 --> 00:20:38,011 - that you joined this experience... - Yeah. 428 00:20:38,012 --> 00:20:41,681 ...for clout in your upcoming political career. 429 00:20:41,682 --> 00:20:44,017 That was a joke. 430 00:20:44,018 --> 00:20:47,562 You know, I was making a joke that the reality TV to politics pipeline 431 00:20:47,563 --> 00:20:50,398 is real, because our current president was in reality TV. 432 00:20:50,399 --> 00:20:52,734 Like, that was the joke. 433 00:20:52,735 --> 00:20:55,987 And I said that during-- when I was babbling about, 434 00:20:55,988 --> 00:20:58,156 you know, thinking about constantly cheating on her 435 00:20:58,157 --> 00:21:00,283 when I was not thinking about constantly cheating on her. 436 00:21:00,284 --> 00:21:03,870 Felipe, you had said, "She's everything I could want in someone." 437 00:21:03,871 --> 00:21:06,956 And we saw that. I mean, you said, "I wasn't ready to be with Tori." 438 00:21:06,957 --> 00:21:08,476 What was it about Tori? 439 00:21:11,545 --> 00:21:13,129 - You can be honest. - It's a safe space. 440 00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:15,423 Thank you. I'm thinking before I speak right now. 441 00:21:17,718 --> 00:21:22,514 I was absolutely infatuated with Tori in the beginning. 442 00:21:22,515 --> 00:21:25,266 Okay? Like, how could you not? 443 00:21:25,267 --> 00:21:26,643 - Yeah, we delivered. - Yeah. 444 00:21:26,644 --> 00:21:29,187 Yeah. We did. 445 00:21:29,188 --> 00:21:32,816 I am sorry, really sorry that... 446 00:21:32,817 --> 00:21:36,110 um, you didn't wanna be matched with me and that you feel this way now. 447 00:21:36,111 --> 00:21:40,323 Like, I never, ever, ever, ever wanted to hurt you. Okay? Ever. 448 00:21:40,324 --> 00:21:43,701 But towards the end, it felt like work. 449 00:21:43,702 --> 00:21:45,954 It didn't feel like I was having fun with my wife. 450 00:21:45,955 --> 00:21:48,998 If I'm walking on eggshells because I can't be who I am 451 00:21:48,999 --> 00:21:51,835 and I'm feeling all these stresses about commitment, 452 00:21:51,836 --> 00:21:54,629 I feel like I could work through this if I was with the right person. 453 00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:56,548 {\an8}What part of you you felt like you couldn't be? 454 00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:59,259 {\an8}'Cause I feel like Tori loved your personality 455 00:21:59,260 --> 00:22:02,053 {\an8}- outside of the comments that I think were inside thoughts. - Yeah, and you said you wanted 456 00:22:02,054 --> 00:22:04,722 {\an8}to sleep with other people at the dinner table in front of her. 457 00:22:04,723 --> 00:22:06,933 - I did. - What do you want her to do? 458 00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:08,309 - It was very disrespectful, and I regret it. - But what part of you 459 00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:10,061 do you feel like you couldn't be you? 460 00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:12,856 I felt... I don't wanna say "suffocated," 461 00:22:12,857 --> 00:22:16,150 but I just felt like I needed to stop everything for a sec. 462 00:22:16,151 --> 00:22:18,570 I think that I grew a lot from the process itself. 463 00:22:18,571 --> 00:22:21,531 I'm-- I'm sorry that it had to be at Tori's expense. 464 00:22:21,532 --> 00:22:25,451 I don't have a filter because I always feel like I don't have anything to hide. 465 00:22:25,452 --> 00:22:27,453 So I kind of just let it all out. 466 00:22:27,454 --> 00:22:30,415 However, the way that I was talking 467 00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,560 as a married man was ridiculous. 468 00:22:33,494 --> 00:22:36,087 - Everyone saw that. - Words have consequences. 469 00:22:36,088 --> 00:22:38,423 Most people don't have anything to hide. 470 00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:40,675 It's out of respect for other people. 471 00:22:40,676 --> 00:22:45,305 Once someone shows me that immense amount of disrespect, 472 00:22:45,306 --> 00:22:46,931 it's very black and white for me. 473 00:22:46,932 --> 00:22:49,726 It's just, you know, if you disrespect me at a level, 474 00:22:49,727 --> 00:22:52,729 - um, I won't be speaking with you. - Yep. 475 00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:56,399 Felipe, you had said you were nervous to tell your family 476 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,776 that you were choosing to end the marriage. 477 00:22:58,777 --> 00:23:02,196 Your mom is actually here in the audience. 478 00:23:02,197 --> 00:23:03,239 {\an8}Hey! 479 00:23:08,078 --> 00:23:09,203 {\an8}So let's ask you. 480 00:23:09,204 --> 00:23:11,915 How did you feel when you heard 481 00:23:11,916 --> 00:23:15,001 that they had decided to end the marriage? 482 00:23:15,002 --> 00:23:16,961 Well, I feel sad. 483 00:23:16,962 --> 00:23:18,504 We know our son. 484 00:23:18,505 --> 00:23:21,674 He has really, like, wonderful heart. 485 00:23:21,675 --> 00:23:23,760 I don't know why he say that. 486 00:23:23,761 --> 00:23:25,595 And we are very pissed about that. 487 00:23:25,596 --> 00:23:28,598 Tori, she's amazing. 488 00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:32,143 We're here for him and for her. For both of them. 489 00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:33,478 Aww. 490 00:23:33,479 --> 00:23:35,647 - My beautiful Tori. - Aww! 491 00:23:35,648 --> 00:23:37,499 Aww! 492 00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:41,945 Felipe's family is so lovely. 493 00:23:41,946 --> 00:23:45,073 And I know that was hard on her, 494 00:23:45,074 --> 00:23:48,510 him going through this, and it makes me sad that... 495 00:23:49,995 --> 00:23:51,013 she's sad. 496 00:23:53,123 --> 00:23:57,001 Your actions have consequences outside of you. 497 00:23:57,002 --> 00:23:59,629 So this lie, 498 00:23:59,630 --> 00:24:02,507 because you weren't mature enough... 499 00:24:02,508 --> 00:24:04,384 - To say the truth. - ...to say the truth, 500 00:24:04,385 --> 00:24:07,470 look how it's had this ripple effect. 501 00:24:07,471 --> 00:24:11,182 And you've hurt people that you love as a result of that. 502 00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:14,268 That's a lesson that you have to take with you going forward. 503 00:24:14,269 --> 00:24:17,689 It's just really, really shitty what I said, 504 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:21,234 and I-- I could apologize infinite times to Tori, 505 00:24:21,235 --> 00:24:24,028 because I can't imagine someone telling me that. 506 00:24:24,029 --> 00:24:27,407 It's just such a fucking awful thing, so I'm really sorry. 507 00:24:27,408 --> 00:24:31,285 I was just, um, not ready. 508 00:24:31,286 --> 00:24:34,080 Well, it's amazing that you couldn't even see that the words 509 00:24:34,081 --> 00:24:36,457 that you were saying would hurt her. 510 00:24:36,458 --> 00:24:38,543 Like, there is a difference between 511 00:24:38,544 --> 00:24:41,921 being honest and just being rude. 512 00:24:41,922 --> 00:24:45,550 And if you are saying these things to the group 513 00:24:45,551 --> 00:24:48,011 and in front of Tori and blindsiding her, 514 00:24:48,012 --> 00:24:53,224 and then you're expecting her to come to bat for you, that's insane. 515 00:24:53,225 --> 00:24:55,560 - Like, did you watch that? - No, absolutely. 516 00:24:55,561 --> 00:24:58,521 I know, like, when you watch it back, when it's just spliced 517 00:24:58,522 --> 00:25:01,024 into me saying crazy shit, crazy shit, crazy shit, and it being, like-- 518 00:25:01,025 --> 00:25:03,151 - Okay, I was there. It was not spliced. - It was not spliced. 519 00:25:03,152 --> 00:25:08,031 {\an8}- That was not spliced. - You knew Tori wasn't going to be someone 520 00:25:08,032 --> 00:25:10,491 {\an8}that you wanted to continue seeing, 521 00:25:10,492 --> 00:25:12,910 {\an8}but, you know, we had the retreat. 522 00:25:12,911 --> 00:25:15,913 When she broke it off with you, 523 00:25:15,914 --> 00:25:18,916 why didn't you just let her let you go? 524 00:25:18,917 --> 00:25:20,728 I felt like the way that... 525 00:25:22,004 --> 00:25:23,588 it ended was, 526 00:25:23,589 --> 00:25:27,133 we played a game in which I won a "Most Likely." 527 00:25:27,134 --> 00:25:30,553 She got upset because of what people perceived... 528 00:25:30,554 --> 00:25:32,930 - No. No. Pause. - ...me of-- 529 00:25:32,931 --> 00:25:34,766 - Absolutely not. - You were having the time of your life. 530 00:25:34,767 --> 00:25:36,267 I'm just not gonna have this perpetuated forever. 531 00:25:36,268 --> 00:25:39,771 No, I was upset because you were 532 00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:43,900 thoroughly enjoying being a cosplay playboy. 533 00:25:50,491 --> 00:25:54,494 I was upset because you were thoroughly enjoying 534 00:25:54,495 --> 00:25:57,080 being a cosplay playboy. 535 00:25:57,081 --> 00:26:02,311 {\an8}You loved that vision of you, and that icked me out so much. 536 00:26:02,778 --> 00:26:05,838 This whole experiment is about being married. 537 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,150 It's not the Playboy Mansion. 538 00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:14,931 {\an8}Well, look. Tori, Felipe, we are incredibly saddened... 539 00:26:14,932 --> 00:26:17,183 {\an8}- Yeah. - ...that your relationship didn't work. 540 00:26:17,184 --> 00:26:23,439 {\an8}And what I think the result of this is, Tori... 541 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,066 {\an8}your DMs are gonna be on fire. 542 00:26:25,067 --> 00:26:27,777 Yes, ma'am. 543 00:26:27,778 --> 00:26:30,130 Right? I mean... 544 00:26:31,573 --> 00:26:33,866 they probably already are. 545 00:26:33,867 --> 00:26:37,245 She's not saying anything 'cause they already are, right? 546 00:26:37,246 --> 00:26:38,746 So thank you for participating, Felipe. 547 00:26:38,747 --> 00:26:40,498 And, Tori, thank you for participating. 548 00:26:40,499 --> 00:26:41,874 - Thank you guys. - Yeah. 549 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:49,715 This season, our couples brought plenty of personality to their wardrobe. 550 00:26:49,716 --> 00:26:53,886 And let's just say some looks were more eccentric than others. 551 00:26:53,887 --> 00:26:56,931 And that says a lot coming from me. 552 00:26:56,932 --> 00:26:59,976 Adam, can we talk a little bit about the inspo for today's look? 553 00:26:59,977 --> 00:27:03,563 {\an8}- I just love kimonos. - Is that the same pheasant hat that you wore? 554 00:27:03,564 --> 00:27:05,439 - Identical. - Okay. 555 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,817 And talk to me about the sling. I need to know. 556 00:27:07,818 --> 00:27:10,361 I got cooked. 557 00:27:10,362 --> 00:27:12,405 You got cooked doing what? 558 00:27:12,406 --> 00:27:14,782 I was skiing. On snow, not jet skiing. 559 00:27:14,783 --> 00:27:18,911 - Okay. - And, yeah, I just full sent it and unlucky backflip. 560 00:27:18,912 --> 00:27:21,539 Just got clapped. Full surgery start of July. 561 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:23,374 So I still have a few more months to recover. 562 00:27:23,375 --> 00:27:24,542 - Got it. - Wow. 563 00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:26,294 {\an8}Marissa, I'm curious. 564 00:27:26,295 --> 00:27:31,174 {\an8}I wanna go back to when you first saw Adam's cabin. 565 00:27:31,175 --> 00:27:35,678 You were very gracious about it and very sweet and charming. 566 00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:39,015 - Wow, look at the water. - Yeah. 567 00:27:39,016 --> 00:27:41,976 - Oh, and this, too? - Yeah, the tarp, yeah. 568 00:27:41,977 --> 00:27:45,980 You know, I was just going for, like, homeless encampment meets, like, lake cabin. 569 00:27:45,981 --> 00:27:48,524 But I'm curious what you really thought. 570 00:27:48,525 --> 00:27:51,819 Yeah, thank you for giving me this platform to come clean. 571 00:27:54,114 --> 00:27:56,490 So I thought it was fratty, 572 00:27:56,491 --> 00:28:00,036 and I was shocked that he had had a girlfriend live there with him. 573 00:28:00,037 --> 00:28:01,871 I was like, "You got a girl to live here with you?" 574 00:28:01,872 --> 00:28:04,332 Like, okay, maybe. Maybe. 575 00:28:04,333 --> 00:28:06,751 But then, you know, you see the bathroom. 576 00:28:06,752 --> 00:28:08,669 You can't even stand in the shower. 577 00:28:08,670 --> 00:28:12,298 You see the tarp on the roof. You see the porch falling down. 578 00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:15,968 And I could never have lived there, and I lied to the cameras. 579 00:28:15,969 --> 00:28:20,431 - So that's on me. - Fair. I think every woman watching was like, 580 00:28:20,432 --> 00:28:22,516 - "Wait, what? Really, Marissa?" - No, I know. I know. 581 00:28:22,517 --> 00:28:25,162 They wanted to shake me. 582 00:28:26,129 --> 00:28:30,066 Adam, you said you were torn on Decision Day, 583 00:28:30,067 --> 00:28:34,111 and watching it, you look torn, but I don't know, 584 00:28:34,112 --> 00:28:37,782 I'm curious if everyone really believes that he was. 585 00:28:37,783 --> 00:28:41,786 {\an8}Watching it, he seemed super ready 586 00:28:41,787 --> 00:28:43,246 {\an8}for a relationship and a marriage, 587 00:28:43,247 --> 00:28:46,332 {\an8}and I think, like, at first, he even made me, like, 588 00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:48,709 {\an8}question a bit with some of the, like, quirkiness. 589 00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:53,714 But then as I watched, I actually saw what seemed like them growing together 590 00:28:53,715 --> 00:28:56,175 and starting to have more serious conversations and stuff, 591 00:28:56,176 --> 00:28:58,636 and it seemed like they really liked each other, at least from my perspective. 592 00:28:58,637 --> 00:29:02,431 And so, like, at the end, he was even, like, tearing up as he was, like, 593 00:29:02,432 --> 00:29:05,268 essentially breaking up with her and, like, you could see real-- 594 00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:06,936 I mean, unless he's a phenomenal actor, but, like, 595 00:29:06,937 --> 00:29:08,104 it looked like real emotion to me. 596 00:29:08,105 --> 00:29:09,480 You believed the tears. 597 00:29:09,481 --> 00:29:10,982 I totally believe 'em, yeah. 598 00:29:10,983 --> 00:29:12,566 Anyone else? 599 00:29:12,567 --> 00:29:14,694 - I mean... - I'm curious to hear from-- 600 00:29:14,695 --> 00:29:16,445 I believe-- I believe-- He said "There's one." 601 00:29:16,446 --> 00:29:18,614 Wait, are we saying that they were fake tears? 602 00:29:18,615 --> 00:29:20,992 - Not necessarily. I-- - I believe-- I believe the tears. 603 00:29:20,993 --> 00:29:23,202 {\an8}I believe the tears, but the tears weren't-- 604 00:29:23,203 --> 00:29:26,664 {\an8}I don't think they were-- it was because he was torn about his decision. 605 00:29:26,665 --> 00:29:31,002 {\an8}It was because he felt bad about hurting Marissa. That's what the tears were for. 606 00:29:31,003 --> 00:29:35,631 I mean, the truth is, the second we had a miscompatibility 607 00:29:35,632 --> 00:29:38,426 with our, kind of, like, physical activity levels was when we had 608 00:29:38,427 --> 00:29:40,636 - the jet ski pickleball date. - Yeah. 609 00:29:40,637 --> 00:29:42,471 And she essentially said, like, "This was the worst day I've ever had." 610 00:29:42,472 --> 00:29:44,557 And I was like, damn, this was literally, like, 611 00:29:44,558 --> 00:29:46,726 the perfect day to a T for me, right? Like... 612 00:29:46,727 --> 00:29:48,978 You're saying I didn't like pickleball and jet skiing. 613 00:29:48,979 --> 00:29:53,149 I'm saying the rest of the day that wasn't shown was terrible with you. 614 00:29:53,150 --> 00:29:56,068 That's-- I hear you, but we went and played pickleball a few weeks before that. 615 00:29:56,069 --> 00:29:58,321 After, like, ten minutes, you were like, "Can we please do anything else? 616 00:29:58,322 --> 00:30:01,198 'Cause I hadn't eaten that day. You gave me a struggle meal, 617 00:30:01,199 --> 00:30:04,452 and then you wanted to go rip the pickleball courts for, like, two hours, 618 00:30:04,453 --> 00:30:06,829 and I was like, okay, my blood sugar's low, I gotta eat something. 619 00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:08,956 I mean, multiple times you said you hated pickleball and, like, sports. 620 00:30:08,957 --> 00:30:10,333 - And then that was the two times. - What is a struggle meal? 621 00:30:10,334 --> 00:30:12,084 A struggle meal is, like, just, like, 622 00:30:12,085 --> 00:30:14,045 quinoa and lettuce and, like, maybe some sauce. 623 00:30:14,046 --> 00:30:15,629 Just, like, whatever you have in the fridge. 624 00:30:15,630 --> 00:30:17,465 It was a phenomenal meal. It was a healthy meal. 625 00:30:17,466 --> 00:30:19,425 Okay, this is, like, small potatoes. Let's move on. 626 00:30:19,426 --> 00:30:20,926 I guess I should ask you, Adam. 627 00:30:20,927 --> 00:30:23,095 Were you surprised Marissa said no? 628 00:30:23,096 --> 00:30:25,991 Not at all, this is something no one really knows. 629 00:30:26,525 --> 00:30:30,061 So that day we had that pickleball date, she had like a horrible day. 630 00:30:30,062 --> 00:30:32,188 But we had a talk that night off camera. 631 00:30:32,189 --> 00:30:33,481 And I was like, "Hey, like I'm really looking for, 632 00:30:33,482 --> 00:30:35,191 like, a high level of physical activity. 633 00:30:35,192 --> 00:30:37,276 Someone who's gonna work out with me 634 00:30:37,277 --> 00:30:39,320 for hours every day and like join a pickleball league." 635 00:30:39,321 --> 00:30:40,446 Or play any sport. It doesn't have to be pickleball, right? 636 00:30:40,447 --> 00:30:41,781 But we had this whole talk. 637 00:30:41,782 --> 00:30:43,074 And I was like, "Oh, wow. 638 00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:45,159 This is a big mismatch in compatibility." 639 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,494 So from that point on, like, 640 00:30:46,495 --> 00:30:48,537 I was very open and honest with her. 641 00:30:48,538 --> 00:30:50,915 But at that point, we're on the same level playing field of, 642 00:30:50,916 --> 00:30:52,500 hey, there's a big mismatch 643 00:30:52,501 --> 00:30:55,211 in compatibility and overall just lifestyle. 644 00:30:55,212 --> 00:30:57,213 I've heard too much about pickleball, to be honest. 645 00:30:58,757 --> 00:31:00,341 I don't wanna hear about pickleball anymore. 646 00:31:00,342 --> 00:31:01,801 We have so much else to cover. 647 00:31:01,802 --> 00:31:04,053 I say pickleball, I mean, like, any sport. 648 00:31:04,054 --> 00:31:05,805 Like, we're using pickleball. But it could be any sport, anything active. 649 00:31:05,806 --> 00:31:07,473 - Even, like, going for a run. - I hear you. 650 00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:09,308 You know, we had talked about this 651 00:31:09,309 --> 00:31:11,811 as it was starting to heighten, the miscompatibility. 652 00:31:11,812 --> 00:31:13,854 Because in workshops, I mean, 653 00:31:13,855 --> 00:31:16,524 we go really thorough on what is important to you guys. 654 00:31:16,525 --> 00:31:20,069 And you had said, "It is not critically necessary 655 00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:22,488 that I have same level of compatibility." 656 00:31:22,489 --> 00:31:24,782 - What do you want her to look like? - At least somewhat active. 657 00:31:24,783 --> 00:31:26,951 - At least a little bit fit. They're in decent shape. - Okay. 658 00:31:26,952 --> 00:31:28,661 But I don't really discriminate there. 659 00:31:28,662 --> 00:31:30,579 Like, it's more about what's on the inside for me. 660 00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:32,540 For sure, yeah. 661 00:31:32,541 --> 00:31:33,574 During the workshops, I didn't think it was as critical 662 00:31:33,575 --> 00:31:35,501 of something that I needed in a relationship. 663 00:31:35,502 --> 00:31:37,336 But after being in a relationship 664 00:31:37,337 --> 00:31:39,588 where that level of physical compatibility wasn't there, 665 00:31:39,589 --> 00:31:42,466 it quickly became apparent that it was missing and I needed it. 666 00:31:42,467 --> 00:31:44,343 Here's my question, right? 667 00:31:44,344 --> 00:31:46,720 After Decision Day, 668 00:31:46,721 --> 00:31:49,432 - did you two see each other again? - Yeah. 669 00:31:49,433 --> 00:31:50,850 I just really wanted to be friends with her. 670 00:31:50,851 --> 00:31:52,852 So, yeah, I offered to, like, 671 00:31:52,853 --> 00:31:55,271 you know, meet up, go get some food and talk. 672 00:31:55,272 --> 00:31:58,107 - Yeah, I have a good story. - We wanna hear. 673 00:31:58,108 --> 00:32:00,192 We'd love to hear your story, Marissa. 674 00:32:00,193 --> 00:32:02,570 - I would really love to hear it. - Yeah. 675 00:32:02,571 --> 00:32:07,533 So we said our goodbyes. I take my ice cream maker. 676 00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:10,703 And then he texts me that he misses me 677 00:32:10,704 --> 00:32:13,038 and wants to hang out that Wednesday. 678 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:14,832 And so our Decision Day was a Saturday. 679 00:32:14,833 --> 00:32:17,251 We hang out the Wednesday. We make ice cream. 680 00:32:17,252 --> 00:32:19,545 We finish watching our TV show that we were watching. 681 00:32:19,546 --> 00:32:21,046 Did you do more? 682 00:32:21,047 --> 00:32:23,424 We were sitting a foot apart on the couch. 683 00:32:23,425 --> 00:32:27,511 And, yeah, we were just friendly. We were just friendly. 684 00:32:27,512 --> 00:32:30,973 And he's like, "We should probably talk about, like, what we're doing. 685 00:32:30,974 --> 00:32:32,600 Where do we go from here?" 686 00:32:32,601 --> 00:32:35,019 And I was like, "That's a really good question." 687 00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:38,022 Like, you said you wanted to be friends, so let's just be friends. 688 00:32:38,023 --> 00:32:40,065 And he looks at me and he's like, 689 00:32:40,066 --> 00:32:44,320 "Well, I'd be lying if I said, like, I didn't want to do more." 690 00:32:44,321 --> 00:32:46,155 What? And I'm sitting there, 691 00:32:46,156 --> 00:32:47,573 like, "You've gotta be kidding me." 692 00:32:47,574 --> 00:32:52,036 Like, "We cannot." And so we part ways. 693 00:32:52,037 --> 00:32:54,622 No kissing, no nothing. He leaves. 694 00:32:54,623 --> 00:32:59,227 And then we're both going to the same Halloween party on Friday. 695 00:32:59,995 --> 00:33:02,004 I was going to a separate pregame. 696 00:33:02,005 --> 00:33:04,048 And I get to the pregame. 697 00:33:04,049 --> 00:33:08,385 The first girl that I am talking to has DMs from Adam. 698 00:33:08,386 --> 00:33:15,100 So I'm looking at the phone, and it says 12:39 p.m. Saturday. 699 00:33:15,101 --> 00:33:17,144 And I was like, "Wait, this Saturday?" 700 00:33:17,145 --> 00:33:19,230 I was like, "12:00 p.m.? 701 00:33:19,231 --> 00:33:21,106 That was Decision Day, like, this Saturday?" 702 00:33:21,107 --> 00:33:23,275 And I was like, "Okay, this is crazy." 703 00:33:23,276 --> 00:33:24,944 And she's like, "Girl, I'll screenshot them. Send them to yours as well." 704 00:33:24,945 --> 00:33:26,946 I was like, "Thanks." 705 00:33:26,947 --> 00:33:30,241 I just sent Adam a text being like, "We can never speak again." 706 00:33:30,242 --> 00:33:31,659 He's like, "What are you talking about?" 707 00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:33,285 So I just sent him the screenshots 708 00:33:33,286 --> 00:33:34,828 because I was like, "I'm not gonna be gaslit." 709 00:33:34,829 --> 00:33:37,248 And so then he responded with a very long, 710 00:33:37,249 --> 00:33:40,042 nice apology, saying, like, he's so sad. 711 00:33:40,043 --> 00:33:44,463 He would never have messaged her if he had ever known I would have seen the messages. 712 00:33:44,464 --> 00:33:46,465 - I was like, "Yeah, no shit." - So, yeah, can I-- 713 00:33:46,466 --> 00:33:48,092 - There's more. There's more. - Oh, please. 714 00:33:48,093 --> 00:33:50,386 - Okay. - Can I talk? 715 00:33:50,387 --> 00:33:52,388 Can I respond to those points first? 716 00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:54,014 - Can I respond? - Yeah, go for it. 717 00:33:54,015 --> 00:33:57,101 Well, no, I'll just do the rest. And then you can respond. 718 00:33:57,102 --> 00:33:58,644 We don't talk for a month. 719 00:33:58,645 --> 00:34:00,604 Adam then texts me on the side. 720 00:34:00,605 --> 00:34:03,399 And he was like, "I would love to take you out to dinner 721 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,444 to make up for being so disrespectful to you." 722 00:34:07,445 --> 00:34:10,573 So I'm standing outside the restaurant waiting for him. 723 00:34:10,574 --> 00:34:12,700 And I hear him, like, coming up behind me. 724 00:34:12,701 --> 00:34:17,329 So I turn around and he is standing there 725 00:34:17,330 --> 00:34:20,958 with the biggest hickey on his neck that I have seen 726 00:34:20,959 --> 00:34:22,876 since I was in high school. 727 00:34:22,877 --> 00:34:25,212 That's dramatic. 728 00:34:25,213 --> 00:34:26,922 - That's extremely dramatic. - And so I'm standing there and my soul leaves my body. 729 00:34:26,923 --> 00:34:29,049 And then the rest of the dinner just turned into, 730 00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:31,176 - like, a pissing contest. - Can I respond to a few things? 731 00:34:31,177 --> 00:34:33,345 - I mean, all of that is pretty scandalous. - Yeah. 732 00:34:33,346 --> 00:34:35,598 - Yeah. - Can I respond to a few things? 733 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:40,060 For one, yes, I DMed a girl on the day of our divorce. 734 00:34:40,061 --> 00:34:41,770 But she DMed me. And it was just, like, lighthearted. 735 00:34:41,771 --> 00:34:43,188 She's like, "Hey, I'm going to this Halloween party." 736 00:34:43,189 --> 00:34:44,940 I was like, "Oh, cool, I'm also going." 737 00:34:44,941 --> 00:34:47,026 {\an8}And I was a little sad with how things had ended. 738 00:34:47,027 --> 00:34:48,944 {\an8}I really wanted to be friends with Marissa. 739 00:34:48,945 --> 00:34:50,779 Seriously. I had such a good time with her on the show. 740 00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:52,323 I wanted nothing more to be friends. 741 00:34:52,324 --> 00:34:54,074 When you said I said that at your apartment, 742 00:34:54,075 --> 00:34:55,284 I really don't think I said that. 743 00:34:55,285 --> 00:34:57,745 I truly, my 100% full intention. 744 00:34:57,746 --> 00:35:00,539 - I know you did. - I wanted to be friends with you. 745 00:35:00,540 --> 00:35:02,916 That's it. Completely. And you should know that, too. 746 00:35:02,917 --> 00:35:04,793 Like, throughout the show, like, the intimacy. 747 00:35:04,794 --> 00:35:07,630 Like, the last few weeks, I clearly was pulling away. 748 00:35:07,631 --> 00:35:09,381 I didn't want any sort of intimacy. 749 00:35:09,382 --> 00:35:11,175 I wanted to be friends with you. 750 00:35:11,176 --> 00:35:12,760 Seriously. That's it. 751 00:35:12,761 --> 00:35:14,511 And you said I showed up with a horrible hickey. 752 00:35:14,512 --> 00:35:16,889 I truly swear on my life, did not know I had a hickey. 753 00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:20,643 I don't know what's worse, if you didn't know you had it or you're so trashy 754 00:35:20,644 --> 00:35:22,102 that you were just running around the world with a hickey. 755 00:35:22,103 --> 00:35:24,188 I have bruises all over my body. I'm, like, skiing. 756 00:35:24,189 --> 00:35:25,481 I'm jet skiing. I'm playing sports. 757 00:35:25,482 --> 00:35:27,775 You got to realize my overall objective, 758 00:35:27,776 --> 00:35:30,694 I truly wanted to be friends with you and be on good terms with you. 759 00:35:30,695 --> 00:35:33,364 So why the hell would I ever show up with something on purpose? 760 00:35:33,365 --> 00:35:36,033 - I would never ever do that. - I have no idea. 761 00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,577 Because I truly did not think it was there. I wanted to be your friend. 762 00:35:38,578 --> 00:35:40,871 - That is a great question. - That would be stupid. 763 00:35:40,872 --> 00:35:43,499 And so when his text message came through, like, "I respect you so much." 764 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,376 And I was like, "I would hate to see 765 00:35:45,377 --> 00:35:47,211 how he treats the people he doesn't respect." 766 00:35:47,212 --> 00:35:51,006 I truly did not know there was anything visible on my neck. 767 00:35:51,007 --> 00:35:52,966 Like, I don't like examine my body when I look in the mirror. 768 00:35:52,967 --> 00:35:54,968 I just... 769 00:35:54,969 --> 00:35:56,804 - I'm serious. - He looks in the mirror more than I do. 770 00:35:56,805 --> 00:36:00,391 Is that... like, yes, you do examine your body. 771 00:36:00,392 --> 00:36:03,703 I don't. I will say... I'm serious. 772 00:36:04,771 --> 00:36:09,692 I swear on my life, I did not see anything on my neck. 773 00:36:09,693 --> 00:36:11,860 I would not-- if I did, I would have covered it up. 774 00:36:11,861 --> 00:36:12,986 - I wanted to be friends with her. - I called him on it 775 00:36:12,987 --> 00:36:14,488 at the end of dinner. 776 00:36:14,489 --> 00:36:16,657 His hand flew right to it. He's like, "This thing? 777 00:36:16,658 --> 00:36:18,492 I can't believe you can see this. This is two weeks old." 778 00:36:18,493 --> 00:36:20,285 - What? - He knew exactly where it was. 779 00:36:20,286 --> 00:36:23,515 - Wow. - I truly do not remember having anything on my neck. 780 00:36:26,042 --> 00:36:27,584 {\an8}This is scandalous. 781 00:36:27,585 --> 00:36:30,421 Felipe, you had a very big reaction a few minutes ago 782 00:36:30,422 --> 00:36:32,589 when this was starting to boil up. 783 00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:36,260 Yeah. I just really love tea. 784 00:36:36,261 --> 00:36:38,303 - Of course. - And I... 785 00:36:38,304 --> 00:36:41,515 Especially when it's not his. 786 00:36:41,516 --> 00:36:43,559 I feel like Adam and I have become good friends. 787 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,935 I think he's a really cool dude. 788 00:36:44,936 --> 00:36:46,186 But he did not tell me any of this. 789 00:36:46,187 --> 00:36:48,105 So this was just... 790 00:36:48,106 --> 00:36:50,441 Did he tell you he also DMed Tori on Hinge? 791 00:36:50,442 --> 00:36:53,902 Oh, no! 792 00:36:53,903 --> 00:36:56,131 Oh, my God. 793 00:36:58,491 --> 00:37:01,368 {\an8}I feel like Adam and I have become good friends. I think he's a really cool dude. 794 00:37:01,369 --> 00:37:03,746 But he did not tell me any of this. 795 00:37:03,747 --> 00:37:05,414 So this was just... 796 00:37:05,415 --> 00:37:07,791 Did he tell you he also DMed Tori on Hinge? 797 00:37:07,792 --> 00:37:09,334 {\an8}- Oh, no! - Shut up! 798 00:37:09,335 --> 00:37:10,669 {\an8}Oh, my God. 799 00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:11,962 {\an8}I'm sure I just said something like, 800 00:37:11,963 --> 00:37:13,756 {\an8}"Hi," or something friendly. 801 00:37:13,757 --> 00:37:15,007 {\an8}I knew he was gonna say that. You can't guess that. 802 00:37:15,008 --> 00:37:16,508 {\an8}It's a dating app. You can't guess. 803 00:37:16,509 --> 00:37:18,385 What? I'm literally friends with Felipe. 804 00:37:18,386 --> 00:37:20,053 - That's so weird. - I was literally just saying hi. 805 00:37:20,054 --> 00:37:21,096 - No... - I didn't say-- I just said a fact. 806 00:37:21,097 --> 00:37:22,556 I would never pursue anyone's... 807 00:37:22,557 --> 00:37:24,808 - I just said a fact. - What? 808 00:37:24,809 --> 00:37:26,727 Everyone takes away what they want. 809 00:37:26,728 --> 00:37:28,479 When I used to be on dating apps, I would see, like, 810 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,481 friends that I know, and I'm like, "Hey, what's up?" 811 00:37:30,482 --> 00:37:32,608 Or I would see, like, yeah, people I know, you say hi. 812 00:37:32,609 --> 00:37:34,485 - No, that's weird. - I would never pursue Tori, ever. 813 00:37:34,486 --> 00:37:36,987 {\an8}I'm just curious to hear from you, Tor. 814 00:37:36,988 --> 00:37:40,240 {\an8}Yeah. So I did get a message. 815 00:37:40,241 --> 00:37:45,287 I think it was along the lines of, "Hey, stranger. 816 00:37:45,288 --> 00:37:47,206 Like, "Fancy seeing you here." 817 00:37:47,207 --> 00:37:50,459 "Fancy seeing you here. Hope you're doing well." 818 00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:53,670 Did you take it as flirty, or did you take it as friendly? 819 00:37:53,671 --> 00:37:54,671 I just deleted it. 820 00:37:58,418 --> 00:38:01,303 I think overall, though, what I wanna say about this 821 00:38:01,304 --> 00:38:05,390 is it was just really terribly sad. 822 00:38:05,391 --> 00:38:09,853 You could tell how much she liked Adam. 823 00:38:09,854 --> 00:38:13,899 And as a friend, that was really hard to see. 824 00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:15,984 She became a shell of a person. 825 00:38:15,985 --> 00:38:18,362 Especially after the season wrapped, 826 00:38:18,363 --> 00:38:21,365 that was probably the hardest part as a friend to see. 827 00:38:21,366 --> 00:38:24,076 - It was awful. - Devin, what are your thoughts on it? 828 00:38:24,077 --> 00:38:26,203 I see you there. Like, you have thoughts. 829 00:38:26,204 --> 00:38:28,247 {\an8}I'm just eating popcorn over here. 830 00:38:28,248 --> 00:38:30,082 Yeah, I know. I know. 831 00:38:30,083 --> 00:38:31,500 - I'm just curious. - I mean, I think that... 832 00:38:31,501 --> 00:38:33,377 I thought that they were super cute together. 833 00:38:33,378 --> 00:38:35,921 I thought that they bounced off each other very well. 834 00:38:35,922 --> 00:38:38,423 You know, me and Adam have become friends. You know, he's my boy. 835 00:38:38,424 --> 00:38:40,008 You're pleading the fifth? Is that what you're telling me? 836 00:38:40,009 --> 00:38:41,927 - A little bit, yeah. - You said, "I plead the fifth." 837 00:38:41,928 --> 00:38:43,303 {\an8}But when it came to me... 838 00:38:43,304 --> 00:38:45,639 {\an8}"That was a crazy comment. That was nuts." 839 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,058 Yeah, he didn't try to steal my girl, bro. 840 00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:50,269 Oh, "He didn't try to steal my girl, bro." That's... 841 00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:51,728 Do you know what we were talking about outside 842 00:38:51,729 --> 00:38:53,564 - during the retreat? - Yeah, I heard it. 843 00:38:53,565 --> 00:38:56,191 Can I say something about that moment? 844 00:38:56,192 --> 00:39:01,071 {\an8}Caitlin, I love you to pieces, but I wouldn't be right if I didn't say this, right? 845 00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:03,115 {\an8}I've seen a significant difference 846 00:39:03,116 --> 00:39:05,617 {\an8}of when you were checking Felipe for Tori 847 00:39:05,618 --> 00:39:08,203 for how you were checking Mecca when it came to me. 848 00:39:08,204 --> 00:39:09,329 It wasn't the same thing. 849 00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:11,248 With Felipe, it was like a-- 850 00:39:11,249 --> 00:39:13,250 "You're aggravating me," like, you had fire. 851 00:39:13,251 --> 00:39:14,710 But when it came to Mecca, it was like, 852 00:39:14,711 --> 00:39:16,712 "Oh, my gosh, Mecca, like why would you say that?" 853 00:39:16,713 --> 00:39:19,381 Like, it was a complete difference. I will say that. 854 00:39:19,382 --> 00:39:21,800 And I didn't like the way that made me feel. 855 00:39:21,801 --> 00:39:23,176 It was flirtatious. 856 00:39:23,177 --> 00:39:24,720 And it gave very much like a Love Island, 857 00:39:24,721 --> 00:39:27,139 "Let me pull you for a chat," type of deal. 858 00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:29,141 - Yeah. - And if we were doing that, 859 00:39:29,142 --> 00:39:30,517 "Devin, come, come." 860 00:39:30,518 --> 00:39:33,020 Like, all you had to do was let me know. 861 00:39:33,021 --> 00:39:35,248 Holy... 862 00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:38,400 But I love you. I genuinely love you. 863 00:39:38,401 --> 00:39:40,277 It's just how I felt in that moment. 864 00:39:40,278 --> 00:39:42,779 So I do second with Devin on that, 865 00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:45,073 that it was a little inappropriate. 866 00:39:45,074 --> 00:39:48,410 And I'm really sorry, 'cause watching that back was kind of hard for me too. 867 00:39:48,411 --> 00:39:50,704 I do tend to be, like, a little unaware 868 00:39:50,705 --> 00:39:53,290 of the other pieces going on around me. 869 00:39:53,291 --> 00:39:54,791 And that's something that I've really taken 870 00:39:54,792 --> 00:39:56,752 from the experience and tried to apply it to life. 871 00:39:56,753 --> 00:39:58,128 You know, and I shared with you that I feel like my perception 872 00:39:58,129 --> 00:40:00,255 of that night was very different. 873 00:40:00,256 --> 00:40:02,591 - Right. - That doesn't excuse the action. 874 00:40:02,592 --> 00:40:04,593 - And I'm really sorry. - Yeah, I accept your apology, 875 00:40:04,594 --> 00:40:06,803 - I love you. - And the intention was pure. 876 00:40:06,804 --> 00:40:08,680 - But that doesn't mean that it was okay. - Yeah, I genuinely love you. 877 00:40:08,681 --> 00:40:10,390 Mecca, I've seen you outside of the show. 878 00:40:10,391 --> 00:40:13,435 I've seen how you kiki and giggle with the women. 879 00:40:13,436 --> 00:40:17,731 So I feel like you were definitely trying to put your little razzle-dazzle on Caitlin 880 00:40:17,732 --> 00:40:19,900 and be, like, the charm, 'cause you did it to me. 881 00:40:19,901 --> 00:40:21,360 - Yeah. - So of course she's gonna be like... 882 00:40:21,361 --> 00:40:23,070 'Cause I was the same way. 883 00:40:23,071 --> 00:40:26,865 - Just saying. - Belle has found her voice. 884 00:40:28,701 --> 00:40:30,118 Well done. 885 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:31,578 Um... 886 00:40:31,579 --> 00:40:34,122 We wanna get to some other couples. 887 00:40:34,123 --> 00:40:38,460 So as we wind down with you guys, I just wanna know, 888 00:40:38,461 --> 00:40:40,396 are either of you seeing anybody? 889 00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:43,316 No, you first, Marissa. 890 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,635 No. God, no. 891 00:40:46,636 --> 00:40:48,470 I don't think my nervous system could take it. 892 00:40:48,471 --> 00:40:50,681 Okay, but do you still believe in love? 893 00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:52,140 I do. 894 00:40:52,141 --> 00:40:55,227 I'm never gonna be bitter. I know there is love. 895 00:40:55,228 --> 00:40:57,771 I don't know if I'll ever find it, but... 896 00:40:57,772 --> 00:40:59,272 - Yes, you will. - Yes, you will, Marissa. 897 00:40:59,273 --> 00:41:00,941 - Yes, you will. - Absolutely. 898 00:41:00,942 --> 00:41:03,235 But instead, I started two businesses, so I'm fine. 899 00:41:03,236 --> 00:41:05,237 - There you go. - There you go. 900 00:41:05,238 --> 00:41:07,114 - I love it. - Of course. 901 00:41:07,115 --> 00:41:11,618 So Adam, have you found your doubles partner yet? 902 00:41:11,619 --> 00:41:13,870 Before I answer that, I just wanted to address one more thing. 903 00:41:13,871 --> 00:41:16,164 Like, I apologized to Marissa multiple times 904 00:41:16,165 --> 00:41:19,084 for any sort of pain I may have caused her, but at the end of the day, 905 00:41:19,085 --> 00:41:21,253 when there's two people dating and one really wants 906 00:41:21,254 --> 00:41:22,587 a relationship and the other doesn't, 907 00:41:22,588 --> 00:41:24,256 there's gonna be someone that's upset. 908 00:41:24,257 --> 00:41:26,216 - It's that simple. - The doubles partner. 909 00:41:26,217 --> 00:41:27,759 - Yep. - Have you found one? 910 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,696 I have. She's right here. Her name is Lizzie. 911 00:41:34,892 --> 00:41:36,977 Lizzie. 912 00:41:36,978 --> 00:41:38,854 - So you two are dating? - Yes, we are. About three months. 913 00:41:38,855 --> 00:41:40,063 - How long? - Three months. 914 00:41:40,064 --> 00:41:41,690 Three months? 915 00:41:41,691 --> 00:41:43,358 Yeah, I went to Amsterdam to see Rufus Du Sol, 916 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:44,818 and we met and just really hit it off. 917 00:41:44,819 --> 00:41:46,778 Then we went to Mexico, and then she's been 918 00:41:46,779 --> 00:41:48,363 - staying with me for a bit. - Wow. 919 00:41:48,364 --> 00:41:50,407 I hate to ask this, but I have to. 920 00:41:50,408 --> 00:41:52,409 How are your pickleball skills? 921 00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:56,079 I've been playing quite a few years now, and I have to say, 922 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,000 like, as soon as he gets healed, like, I'm sorry. 923 00:42:00,001 --> 00:42:02,836 He talks big, but yeah. 924 00:42:02,837 --> 00:42:04,713 Okay. I see. This is interesting. 925 00:42:04,714 --> 00:42:08,383 How do you feel watching all of this play out? 926 00:42:08,384 --> 00:42:11,219 I honestly don't understand how, like, 927 00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:13,513 the sweetest, most genuine guy, like, 928 00:42:13,514 --> 00:42:15,891 I've ever met, he's just so different 929 00:42:15,892 --> 00:42:18,477 from anyone else, and this is just like so crazy to me. 930 00:42:18,478 --> 00:42:20,020 Like, the way he's being portrayed, like, 931 00:42:20,021 --> 00:42:22,189 all of the things that are being said, 932 00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:25,025 I'm obviously gonna stand by him. Like, I know him. 933 00:42:25,026 --> 00:42:26,902 So, yeah, I'm shocked. 934 00:42:26,903 --> 00:42:29,279 Like, my heart is beating at a million miles per hour. 935 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,031 I'm just like, "What is going on?" 936 00:42:31,032 --> 00:42:33,116 Like, "This is insane." 937 00:42:33,117 --> 00:42:35,285 Have you watched the show? 938 00:42:35,286 --> 00:42:36,995 Well, I have watched a few episodes, 939 00:42:36,996 --> 00:42:39,539 but then it got a little bit too difficult. 940 00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:43,376 I don't understand when he was talking about the show what it was actually like. 941 00:42:43,377 --> 00:42:46,671 The production did a very good job at making it look, like, super real. 942 00:42:46,672 --> 00:42:50,193 {\an8}So Adam and Marissa's relationship wasn't real? 943 00:42:50,827 --> 00:42:53,845 You know, we just met, but I respectfully disagree with what you just said. 944 00:42:53,846 --> 00:42:55,764 - Absolutely. - What you're doing 945 00:42:55,765 --> 00:42:58,975 is you're mischaracterizing what we're all doing here, 946 00:42:58,976 --> 00:43:02,020 because you're painting it as simply a production. 947 00:43:02,021 --> 00:43:06,024 It is a production, but at the same time, it's also an experiment 948 00:43:06,025 --> 00:43:08,735 that many of us take very seriously. 949 00:43:08,736 --> 00:43:12,131 - I think that's the part that you missed. - Fair. 950 00:43:13,741 --> 00:43:15,367 {\an8}Just one more question. 951 00:43:15,368 --> 00:43:17,452 {\an8}So you've been together for three months, 952 00:43:17,453 --> 00:43:20,789 {\an8}and you were asking Marissa to dinner in May. 953 00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:24,167 So it's three months ago from now, it's about April, May. 954 00:43:24,168 --> 00:43:25,877 Yeah, like, I wanted to-- 955 00:43:25,878 --> 00:43:27,629 Did Lizzie know you were inviting Marissa to dinner in May? 956 00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:29,548 No, 'cause I had just met Lizzie. 957 00:43:29,549 --> 00:43:31,466 I didn't meet Lizzie and start dating her instantly. 958 00:43:31,467 --> 00:43:33,593 Like, it took a few weeks until we actually met. 959 00:43:33,594 --> 00:43:35,929 His master plan was to get someone here in the audience to vouch for him, 960 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:38,014 - 'cause he knew he was in hot water. - Listen... 961 00:43:42,353 --> 00:43:44,062 You guys, I think that is probably 962 00:43:44,063 --> 00:43:46,398 - the right place to end this piece. - Yeah, for sure. 963 00:43:46,399 --> 00:43:49,234 Even though it didn't work out, and I know you're frustrated. 964 00:43:49,235 --> 00:43:50,861 I know you are. I can see it. 965 00:43:50,862 --> 00:43:52,821 But I do wanna say that we genuinely, 966 00:43:52,822 --> 00:43:54,656 from our heart, appreciate you both 967 00:43:54,657 --> 00:43:57,868 being willing to open up and share this experience, 968 00:43:57,869 --> 00:44:01,246 and we hope that you do continue to take daring steps in love, 969 00:44:01,247 --> 00:44:04,624 and we wish you goodness in what's coming next. 970 00:44:04,625 --> 00:44:06,668 We're gonna move on. 971 00:44:06,669 --> 00:44:09,337 She loves to work out, but unfortunately, 972 00:44:09,338 --> 00:44:12,090 her relationship did not. 973 00:44:12,091 --> 00:44:15,570 {\an8}Courteney and Nick. 974 00:44:19,974 --> 00:44:22,017 - My girl. Hi. - Yes. Hi. 975 00:44:22,018 --> 00:44:23,768 Court, you were the first to decide 976 00:44:23,769 --> 00:44:26,771 - your relationship with Nick was over. - Yup. 977 00:44:26,772 --> 00:44:29,399 Why do you think you struggled with Nick's authenticity? 978 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,860 I wasn't very good at pulling the real you out of you, 979 00:44:31,861 --> 00:44:34,529 and I think that's where it was really tough. 980 00:44:34,530 --> 00:44:37,532 I wasn't able to give you that softness 981 00:44:37,533 --> 00:44:41,578 to then show me, like, that depth inside of you. 982 00:44:41,579 --> 00:44:44,331 Okay. Nick, you're a polished guy. 983 00:44:44,332 --> 00:44:47,834 Do you think being media savvy played a role in your struggle 984 00:44:47,835 --> 00:44:51,254 - to build more of a connection with Courteney? - Absolutely not. 985 00:44:51,255 --> 00:44:53,924 From my side, I was being fully authentic. 986 00:44:53,925 --> 00:44:57,010 I'm super intentional and thoughtful about everything I say. 987 00:44:57,011 --> 00:44:59,638 so I'm not gonna apologize for being thoughtful. 988 00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:01,139 I think there's probably a lot of people here 989 00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:03,433 who should probably think before they speak. 990 00:45:03,434 --> 00:45:05,435 And like, whatever, they do them. 991 00:45:05,436 --> 00:45:07,854 I'm me. I'm gonna be genuine. 992 00:45:07,855 --> 00:45:11,650 I don't think it played any role in us not getting to know each other deeper. 993 00:45:11,651 --> 00:45:15,320 You are everything that I asked for on paper, 994 00:45:15,321 --> 00:45:17,864 but I think what happened was 995 00:45:17,865 --> 00:45:22,410 not the fact that you're a bad guy in any way, shape, or form, 996 00:45:22,411 --> 00:45:24,454 but I'm kind of an alpha. 997 00:45:24,455 --> 00:45:26,748 I think you let me push you over. 998 00:45:26,749 --> 00:45:28,667 I could say it's a flaw in me 999 00:45:28,668 --> 00:45:31,419 because it could come across as not very nice. 1000 00:45:31,420 --> 00:45:33,213 In that way, I am sorry. 1001 00:45:33,214 --> 00:45:35,048 But it's also who I am. 1002 00:45:35,049 --> 00:45:37,509 Watching it back is honestly kind of tough. 1003 00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:38,885 Obviously, it was tough at the time. 1004 00:45:38,886 --> 00:45:41,513 You can see me stressing out all the time. 1005 00:45:41,514 --> 00:45:45,892 Literally, you're like, "Nick, I just want you to open up and tell me a real opinion," 1006 00:45:45,893 --> 00:45:49,896 and then I would tell you my real feelings, my vulnerable, real feelings. 1007 00:45:49,897 --> 00:45:54,317 Like, "Courteney, I do wish you would give me a compliment. 1008 00:45:54,318 --> 00:45:56,611 And sometimes I feel like when I talk to you, 1009 00:45:56,612 --> 00:45:58,655 I don't feel heard, and I would tell you these things, 1010 00:45:58,656 --> 00:46:01,366 and you would literally cut me off mid-sentence 1011 00:46:01,367 --> 00:46:05,787 and then be like, "I don't understand why you can't be yourself around me, 1012 00:46:05,788 --> 00:46:08,766 like, yelling at me, and I'm like, "That's why." 1013 00:46:09,667 --> 00:46:12,979 Who here thinks that Courteney was rude to Nick? 1014 00:46:15,673 --> 00:46:19,092 Oh, my gosh, why are we doing this right now? 1015 00:46:19,093 --> 00:46:21,052 Okay, so it's a guy powerhouse. I do love that. 1016 00:46:21,053 --> 00:46:22,846 Like I said, let the boys be boys. 1017 00:46:22,847 --> 00:46:25,890 - How do you feel about that? - I feel like that's okay. 1018 00:46:25,891 --> 00:46:30,812 That's their opinion, and I could have came in here and not stood by who I am, 1019 00:46:30,813 --> 00:46:32,814 but that's who I am, and that's okay. 1020 00:46:32,815 --> 00:46:34,816 You're shaking your head. 1021 00:46:34,817 --> 00:46:37,152 I just feel like if someone is being rude to me, 1022 00:46:37,153 --> 00:46:39,946 like, I'm not gonna want to interact with them in a way 1023 00:46:39,947 --> 00:46:43,116 that is gonna make them feel whatever you want them to feel. 1024 00:46:43,117 --> 00:46:45,201 - I would agree. - You stayed around, 1025 00:46:45,202 --> 00:46:47,954 so it's like, he obviously didn't think it was rude enough to leave. 1026 00:46:47,955 --> 00:46:49,914 I think it's very evident watching 1027 00:46:49,915 --> 00:46:53,626 that I was trying very hard to make things work, 1028 00:46:53,627 --> 00:46:55,670 and I think anyone else in that environment 1029 00:46:55,671 --> 00:46:58,423 - would not have made it that long as long as I did. - That's rude. 1030 00:46:58,424 --> 00:47:00,175 No, no, no, that environment-- 1031 00:47:00,176 --> 00:47:02,927 Truthfully, I've never been so disrespected ever. 1032 00:47:02,928 --> 00:47:04,929 - So why'd you stay? - I have a history 1033 00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:08,516 of after one or two dates, finding a red flag and leaving, 1034 00:47:08,517 --> 00:47:13,188 and I told Paul when he said he found me a match that I would not give up, 1035 00:47:13,189 --> 00:47:16,733 and I would not just leave at the first red flag, and I gave it-- 1036 00:47:16,734 --> 00:47:18,401 And we did leave. To be fair, we left early. 1037 00:47:18,402 --> 00:47:20,445 - No, I know. - And I gave it as strong of a chance I could, 1038 00:47:20,446 --> 00:47:22,030 and we had good days. 1039 00:47:22,031 --> 00:47:23,948 And even at some of the dinners, I said, like, 1040 00:47:23,949 --> 00:47:25,617 "Hey, I do see a lot of these great qualities in Courteney. 1041 00:47:25,618 --> 00:47:27,202 It could work out." It just didn't work. 1042 00:47:27,203 --> 00:47:29,954 Yeah. I will say this. I was shocked watching it. 1043 00:47:29,955 --> 00:47:32,040 I was like, "Nick is trying out here." 1044 00:47:32,041 --> 00:47:34,626 - Yes, yes. - I was like, "He's really trying." 1045 00:47:34,627 --> 00:47:36,228 - Yes. - Yeah. 1046 00:47:38,923 --> 00:47:42,300 Court, you admitted in an interview that you thought 1047 00:47:42,301 --> 00:47:44,177 Adam was the hottest guy in the group. 1048 00:47:44,178 --> 00:47:46,388 Adam, what did you think when you heard that? 1049 00:47:55,106 --> 00:47:57,315 {\an8}Court, you admitted in an interview 1050 00:47:57,316 --> 00:47:59,442 {\an8}that you thought Adam was the hottest guy in the group. 1051 00:47:59,443 --> 00:48:01,879 {\an8}It's disgusting to say that in front of your partner. 1052 00:48:02,446 --> 00:48:06,408 - Agreed. - I'm disgusting. That's great. Okay. 1053 00:48:06,409 --> 00:48:09,994 He didn't say you're disgusting. He said it's disgusting to say that in front of your partner. 1054 00:48:09,995 --> 00:48:11,413 {\an8}Completely uncalled for. 1055 00:48:11,414 --> 00:48:13,498 At one point, Paul and I had actually 1056 00:48:13,499 --> 00:48:17,293 {\an8}considered matching you and Courteney and Nick and Marissa. 1057 00:48:17,294 --> 00:48:20,505 {\an8}I'm wondering if you think that would have been better outcomes. 1058 00:48:20,506 --> 00:48:22,507 No. Definitely not. 1059 00:48:22,508 --> 00:48:24,652 I would have left the show after, like, a week. 1060 00:48:25,219 --> 00:48:27,887 - Wow. - I do not think we would have been compatible. 1061 00:48:27,888 --> 00:48:29,681 I think Nick just put up with way too much. 1062 00:48:29,682 --> 00:48:32,142 She was constantly rude and demeaning to him the entire show. 1063 00:48:32,143 --> 00:48:34,144 And he was very understanding. 1064 00:48:34,145 --> 00:48:35,812 {\an8}And I do not think I would have been as understanding. 1065 00:48:35,813 --> 00:48:37,647 {\an8}What about the fitness aspect, though? 1066 00:48:37,648 --> 00:48:39,983 - You guys are both very fit. - She's trash at pickleball. 1067 00:48:39,984 --> 00:48:42,277 - Destroyed her one-on-one. - Oh, my God. 1068 00:48:42,278 --> 00:48:44,863 Why are we, like, going on a character assassination of Courteney? 1069 00:48:44,864 --> 00:48:46,781 I think it was, like, 11-2 or something. 1070 00:48:46,782 --> 00:48:48,199 I had played for, like, two months. 1071 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,742 {\an8}- She's played for six years. - Dude, dude, chill, man. 1072 00:48:49,743 --> 00:48:51,327 {\an8}- What's happening? - What? 1073 00:48:51,328 --> 00:48:53,705 This is the angriest I've seen you all night. 1074 00:48:53,706 --> 00:48:55,206 I was just saying, I don't think it would work out. 1075 00:48:55,207 --> 00:48:56,708 It wasn't just, "It won't work out." 1076 00:48:56,709 --> 00:48:58,042 It was, like, aggressive. 1077 00:48:58,043 --> 00:48:59,461 {\an8}Like, Courteney's crying right now. 1078 00:48:59,462 --> 00:49:00,503 {\an8}Like, you can say things a little nicer. 1079 00:49:00,504 --> 00:49:02,380 I'm sorry. 1080 00:49:02,381 --> 00:49:04,007 Like, I just don't think we would have been compatible. 1081 00:49:04,008 --> 00:49:06,009 Like, constantly she was demeaning and rude to Nick. 1082 00:49:06,010 --> 00:49:08,303 - Constantly putting him down. - I could see that. 1083 00:49:08,304 --> 00:49:10,972 She also was kind of trying her ass off a little bit and changing a lot of things. 1084 00:49:10,973 --> 00:49:12,849 Not to say that it would have maybe worked. 1085 00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:15,602 But it wasn't like Courteney just looked-- Nick every morning 1086 00:49:15,603 --> 00:49:17,270 and was like, "Fuck you, let's go on with our day." 1087 00:49:17,271 --> 00:49:18,664 Like, she really was trying. 1088 00:49:21,192 --> 00:49:23,043 I think that was kind of mean, um... 1089 00:49:23,777 --> 00:49:26,070 {\an8}I just think it's ironic to come at her 1090 00:49:26,071 --> 00:49:28,281 {\an8}for being rude and then you're rude to her. 1091 00:49:28,282 --> 00:49:30,783 {\an8}- Just apologize. - Okay, I said I'm sorry. 1092 00:49:30,784 --> 00:49:33,369 {\an8}I think that we have to just take a beat 1093 00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:36,247 {\an8}and realize that we've gone through something 1094 00:49:36,248 --> 00:49:39,542 {\an8}that most people will never go through. 1095 00:49:39,543 --> 00:49:42,921 You all have friends here that you'll have for life. 1096 00:49:42,922 --> 00:49:44,839 Let's not be rude to each other. 1097 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,508 - Yeah, I apologize, I'm sorry. - Okay. 1098 00:49:46,509 --> 00:49:48,676 - Now, Courteney, one thing... - Yeah. 1099 00:49:48,677 --> 00:49:51,429 ...that I wanna mention, which is interesting, you're able to dish it, 1100 00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:55,308 but when it comes to you, it penetrated. 1101 00:49:55,309 --> 00:49:58,686 - Why is that? - I'm usually a good dish and taker, 1102 00:49:58,687 --> 00:50:02,941 but I think why this situation triggers a bit more is because 1103 00:50:02,942 --> 00:50:05,818 I know I'm not a mean person. 1104 00:50:05,819 --> 00:50:10,090 I'm sorry that you felt that way. 1105 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,706 I think what was tough is that I genuinely just want you to be vulnerable, 1106 00:50:18,707 --> 00:50:21,459 and I don't think that you could feel the space 1107 00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:26,548 that I wanted you to-- to be let in, and that's why we didn't work. 1108 00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:30,009 And I could tell with my frustrations 1109 00:50:30,010 --> 00:50:33,471 that it wasn't coming across nicely, 1110 00:50:33,472 --> 00:50:35,640 and I could figure that out without Adam needing to 1111 00:50:35,641 --> 00:50:38,059 tell me that he would leave me in a week. 1112 00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:41,479 You know, it's clear, Courteney, you've learned from this experience. 1113 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,856 Nick, I would imagine you've thought a lot. 1114 00:50:43,857 --> 00:50:45,733 You've learned from this experience. 1115 00:50:45,734 --> 00:50:49,237 Have you gone on and met anyone? 1116 00:50:49,238 --> 00:50:51,906 Yeah, I mean, obviously I took a break from dating for a bit, 1117 00:50:51,907 --> 00:50:54,158 but I will be on Married at First Sight season 21. 1118 00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,747 Oh, no! 1119 00:50:59,748 --> 00:51:01,332 I took a break for a bit, 1120 00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:03,376 and then I honestly tried dating. 1121 00:51:03,377 --> 00:51:05,086 It honestly didn't go well. 1122 00:51:05,087 --> 00:51:07,171 I was so in my head from this experience. 1123 00:51:07,172 --> 00:51:09,340 I was just, like, overthinking everything, like, 1124 00:51:09,341 --> 00:51:11,175 compliments and, like, "Can I put my arm--" 1125 00:51:11,176 --> 00:51:13,261 Like, honestly, it was messing with me, 1126 00:51:13,262 --> 00:51:18,057 so went to therapy, and now I've been going on dates, 1127 00:51:18,058 --> 00:51:20,351 and, like, they're going great, so it's good now. 1128 00:51:20,352 --> 00:51:21,811 Nick went to therapy. I'm here for it, Nick. 1129 00:51:21,812 --> 00:51:23,646 Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, all right. 1130 00:51:23,647 --> 00:51:25,940 - Courteney? - Yes? 1131 00:51:25,941 --> 00:51:27,317 Dating anyone? 1132 00:51:27,318 --> 00:51:30,320 {\an8}Yep, I am seeing Alex over there. 1133 00:51:30,321 --> 00:51:32,381 {\an8}- Oh! - Okay. 1134 00:51:35,034 --> 00:51:37,201 So I have to ask. Where did you two meet? 1135 00:51:37,202 --> 00:51:39,787 Pickleball. 1136 00:51:39,788 --> 00:51:41,706 - That's hilarious. - Which apparently I suck at, 1137 00:51:41,707 --> 00:51:44,542 but I would just like to throw in there I am better than Adam. 1138 00:51:44,543 --> 00:51:46,669 What was the score of the one versus one we had? 1139 00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:48,630 Oh, my God, just relax. 1140 00:51:48,631 --> 00:51:51,090 We obviously wish you both the best, 1141 00:51:51,091 --> 00:51:53,092 and, of course, we wish you the best, Nick. 1142 00:51:53,093 --> 00:51:54,510 - Yeah, definitely. - Thank you all. 1143 00:51:54,511 --> 00:51:58,640 All right, action speaks louder than words, 1144 00:51:58,641 --> 00:52:01,017 but for you two, it was the pillow 1145 00:52:01,018 --> 00:52:02,602 between the two of you that said the most. 1146 00:52:02,603 --> 00:52:04,646 Oh, my God, don't even. 1147 00:52:04,647 --> 00:52:06,397 Of course, we're talking about Devin and Caitlin. 1148 00:52:06,398 --> 00:52:08,650 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1149 00:52:08,651 --> 00:52:10,818 Oh, why am I clapping for myself? 1150 00:52:10,819 --> 00:52:12,570 I'm, like, clapping for us. 1151 00:52:12,571 --> 00:52:14,614 {\an8}Now, Devin, we've seen this look before. 1152 00:52:14,615 --> 00:52:17,158 {\an8}- I mean... - Is it the sunglasses on the head? 1153 00:52:18,844 --> 00:52:20,411 Yeah. This was, of course, my suit from the wedding. 1154 00:52:20,412 --> 00:52:22,955 - Oh, was it really? - I only got to wear it one time. 1155 00:52:22,956 --> 00:52:24,415 You know, I think it's fitting for 1156 00:52:24,416 --> 00:52:26,250 - kind of where we're at. - You look handsome. 1157 00:52:26,251 --> 00:52:27,377 - Thank you, appreciate you. - Yeah, yeah. 1158 00:52:27,378 --> 00:52:29,504 And where are the platinum tips? 1159 00:52:29,505 --> 00:52:31,589 That was my rugby look. 1160 00:52:31,590 --> 00:52:34,467 You got to leave the air behind when you stop playing rugby. 1161 00:52:34,468 --> 00:52:35,718 When I reached out to you prior to the show, 1162 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,929 like, airing, I was like, 1163 00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:39,681 "I don't know why everyone's giving you so much crap for your hair." 1164 00:52:39,682 --> 00:52:42,350 - I don't think it was that big of a deal. - Yeah. 1165 00:52:42,351 --> 00:52:46,604 You looked smitten, Caitlin, on your wedding day, 1166 00:52:46,605 --> 00:52:51,067 and then by the time honeymoons came around, you had done a 180. 1167 00:52:51,068 --> 00:52:52,694 What happened? 1168 00:52:52,695 --> 00:52:55,279 When I went into this, I was trying to model 1169 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,156 a lot of characteristics that I think 1170 00:52:57,157 --> 00:52:59,117 are in good, healthy relationships, 1171 00:52:59,118 --> 00:53:03,121 and one of those is taking conflicts in private. 1172 00:53:03,122 --> 00:53:04,706 The whole gym incident, that was something 1173 00:53:04,707 --> 00:53:07,166 that we had spoken on a couple times 1174 00:53:07,167 --> 00:53:09,711 prior to us debriefing at that dinner table, 1175 00:53:09,712 --> 00:53:11,629 and it kind of threw me for a loop. 1176 00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:14,632 That's why I was just like, "How are we supposed to be 1177 00:53:14,633 --> 00:53:16,509 on the most magical trips of our life 1178 00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:19,137 and I feel like we're fighting over juvenile things. 1179 00:53:19,138 --> 00:53:21,347 It really shook me, and I was just like, 1180 00:53:21,348 --> 00:53:23,558 "I don't know if I can do this," and that was the 180. 1181 00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:25,393 You know what strikes me? 1182 00:53:25,394 --> 00:53:27,645 I know that you didn't like doing the conflict out loud 1183 00:53:27,646 --> 00:53:30,273 - and that your style was to do it privately. - Mm-hmm. 1184 00:53:30,274 --> 00:53:32,608 But this was a public forum. 1185 00:53:32,609 --> 00:53:35,319 Mm-hmm. It was public, but it was also real for me, 1186 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,780 and I wanted to proceed as such. 1187 00:53:37,781 --> 00:53:41,826 You know, it is a marriage, but it also is an experiment you're signed up for. 1188 00:53:41,827 --> 00:53:44,036 It's filmed. Like, everyone deserves to know what's happening, 1189 00:53:44,037 --> 00:53:45,913 so that was obviously on me. 1190 00:53:45,914 --> 00:53:48,374 Do you feel like your heart was ever fully in it? 1191 00:53:48,375 --> 00:53:51,085 Where you were like, "I think I can really lean 1192 00:53:51,086 --> 00:53:53,796 all the way into this man as my husband?" 1193 00:53:53,797 --> 00:53:56,340 Yeah, absolutely. I really do feel like that. 1194 00:53:56,341 --> 00:53:58,509 But, like, to be honest, there was a lot of whiplash. 1195 00:53:58,510 --> 00:54:00,845 We would have a lot of really good days, 1196 00:54:00,846 --> 00:54:04,682 and then something really small, and it would turn into a bigger argument. 1197 00:54:04,683 --> 00:54:08,394 Devin is a lot better at bouncing back after those than I am. 1198 00:54:08,395 --> 00:54:12,190 Devin, on the first night of the couple's retreat, 1199 00:54:12,191 --> 00:54:16,277 Caitlin gave you the green light that she was ready to be more physical, 1200 00:54:16,278 --> 00:54:18,613 and that's all that you've been wanting. 1201 00:54:18,614 --> 00:54:20,531 Well, I feel like that green light 1202 00:54:20,532 --> 00:54:22,784 didn't come until we were two hours into an argument. 1203 00:54:22,785 --> 00:54:24,202 There was the green light and the red light, 1204 00:54:24,203 --> 00:54:25,536 and both were on at the same time, 1205 00:54:25,537 --> 00:54:27,789 so I was like, "Do I go, do I not?" 1206 00:54:27,790 --> 00:54:29,874 You know, obviously, I feel like I should have taken a little more initiative 1207 00:54:29,875 --> 00:54:32,043 and maybe just leaned into it a little bit more, 1208 00:54:32,044 --> 00:54:34,670 and just kind of taken the reins and been like, "No, like, come here." 1209 00:54:34,671 --> 00:54:36,422 I feel like we're playing that game 1210 00:54:36,423 --> 00:54:38,800 where you're trying to get all the way up to the top, 1211 00:54:38,801 --> 00:54:40,259 and then if you make one mistake, you fall all the way down to the bottom, 1212 00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:43,179 and now you're starting from ground zero. 1213 00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:45,348 The entire experience has been hot, cold, 1214 00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:47,016 hot, cold, hot, cold, so now it's like, 1215 00:54:47,017 --> 00:54:50,019 "All right, I don't know when that green light is." 1216 00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:53,397 I will not sit here and say that I was not giving you red, 1217 00:54:53,398 --> 00:54:54,398 green, yellow, red, green, yellow. 1218 00:54:54,399 --> 00:54:55,900 I totally was. 1219 00:54:55,901 --> 00:54:58,194 There was just a lot contributing to that 1220 00:54:58,195 --> 00:55:00,571 - across the board. - Yeah, so on this note of a lot contributing, 1221 00:55:00,572 --> 00:55:02,740 this is to both of you, is, do you believe that 1222 00:55:02,741 --> 00:55:06,202 you had the same relationship on camera as you did off camera? 1223 00:55:06,203 --> 00:55:08,037 No, not at all. 1224 00:55:08,038 --> 00:55:09,914 We didn't really see each other off camera very often. 1225 00:55:09,915 --> 00:55:11,624 We didn't see each other at all really off camera. 1226 00:55:11,625 --> 00:55:13,292 - Not at all. - I think we hung out twice. 1227 00:55:13,293 --> 00:55:15,837 That is not at all. We hung out more than twice. 1228 00:55:15,838 --> 00:55:18,005 I can think of several times that we hung out off camera. 1229 00:55:18,006 --> 00:55:19,924 Gasworks Brewery, watching the hockey game. 1230 00:55:19,925 --> 00:55:21,592 See, I didn't even think about those two. 1231 00:55:21,593 --> 00:55:23,302 I'm thinking about when we made dinner twice 1232 00:55:23,303 --> 00:55:25,429 by ourselves down in the thing down outside. 1233 00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:27,723 The one on camera when we cooked shrimp and chicken? 1234 00:55:27,724 --> 00:55:29,183 No, I have videos of it on my Snapchat story where you made me steak 1235 00:55:29,184 --> 00:55:30,893 and you used ginger for the first time. 1236 00:55:30,894 --> 00:55:32,895 I said, "I've never known someone to use ginger." 1237 00:55:32,896 --> 00:55:34,814 We did have a flirty and fun personality and stuff off. 1238 00:55:34,815 --> 00:55:37,441 I just feel like it's just not remembered right. 1239 00:55:37,442 --> 00:55:38,901 You watch him kind of have these conversations 1240 00:55:38,902 --> 00:55:40,945 with the guys, and we're in a really good place, 1241 00:55:40,946 --> 00:55:44,407 and hearing everybody else's perception, it torpedoes him. 1242 00:55:44,408 --> 00:55:46,284 We were in a really good night that first night, 1243 00:55:46,285 --> 00:55:47,660 and then he had a conversation with Adam, 1244 00:55:47,661 --> 00:55:50,454 and then you watch the rest of it go down, 1245 00:55:50,455 --> 00:55:52,790 and that was the dinner that I ended up crying at. 1246 00:55:52,791 --> 00:55:56,127 We have to be able to differentiate a little bit here. 1247 00:55:56,128 --> 00:55:59,171 - Where did we... - Mm-hmm. Yep. 1248 00:55:59,172 --> 00:56:01,132 ...go wrong in the match here? 1249 00:56:01,133 --> 00:56:03,885 Did you get the match that you believe that you needed? 1250 00:56:03,886 --> 00:56:06,137 I don't know. I'm like 50/50 on it. 1251 00:56:06,138 --> 00:56:08,598 There's a lot of qualities, but I think maybe it's just the X factor. 1252 00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:11,350 You know, maybe our sense of humor were very off, 1253 00:56:11,351 --> 00:56:12,852 and that's something that I kind of need. 1254 00:56:12,853 --> 00:56:14,353 You know, me being goofy 1255 00:56:14,354 --> 00:56:16,606 or me being fun and laughing and joking 1256 00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,190 and making all these little jokes maybe gave her the ick. 1257 00:56:18,191 --> 00:56:19,459 You know, I don't know. 1258 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,819 When I think about the two of you, 1259 00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:24,196 I think if you would have met in the real world 1260 00:56:24,197 --> 00:56:27,825 and it would have not been such a condensed experiment, 1261 00:56:27,826 --> 00:56:30,161 I bet you guys would have been able to develop 1262 00:56:30,162 --> 00:56:34,916 a lot of the rapport that you guys just couldn't get on the same page. 1263 00:56:34,917 --> 00:56:37,084 That's where I land. I came out guns blazing. 1264 00:56:37,085 --> 00:56:39,295 I did. I came out guns blazing. 1265 00:56:39,296 --> 00:56:40,963 Yes, yes. 1266 00:56:40,964 --> 00:56:43,132 I wouldn't have wanted to do it with anybody else. 1267 00:56:43,133 --> 00:56:45,051 Like, obviously it would have been great to end in a marriage... 1268 00:56:45,052 --> 00:56:47,011 - Sure. - ...but when I think of Devin, I don't think of-- 1269 00:56:47,012 --> 00:56:49,138 I'm like, "Oh, he's this horrible person, 1270 00:56:49,139 --> 00:56:50,389 I never wanna speak to him again." 1271 00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:52,141 Well, and your dad endorsed him in the end. 1272 00:56:52,142 --> 00:56:53,392 - Yeah. - Right? Which felt good. 1273 00:56:53,393 --> 00:56:55,353 Listen, this conversation actually felt 1274 00:56:55,354 --> 00:56:57,939 really cathartic and nice, and I feel happy 1275 00:56:57,940 --> 00:56:59,523 that you both got to say your piece. 1276 00:56:59,524 --> 00:57:01,317 Is either of you seeing anyone right now? 1277 00:57:01,318 --> 00:57:03,402 - No, I'm not. - No? 1278 00:57:03,403 --> 00:57:04,946 - Yes. - You are. 1279 00:57:04,947 --> 00:57:07,049 Oh! 1280 00:57:10,827 --> 00:57:12,286 Everyone else brought their person. 1281 00:57:12,287 --> 00:57:14,038 Did you bring yours? 1282 00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,706 He is actually in his best friend's wedding today. 1283 00:57:15,707 --> 00:57:17,249 - Oh! - And I don't know 1284 00:57:17,250 --> 00:57:18,184 if I would have brought him anyways. 1285 00:57:18,185 --> 00:57:20,127 He's watching it. He's very supportive. 1286 00:57:20,128 --> 00:57:22,171 He's the best man I've ever met. 1287 00:57:22,172 --> 00:57:23,881 I found my person. I'm so in love. 1288 00:57:23,882 --> 00:57:26,884 He's, like-- No, he's, like, the best. 1289 00:57:26,885 --> 00:57:30,096 - We're very happy for you. - Yeah, absolutely very happy. 1290 00:57:30,097 --> 00:57:31,514 I'm happy for you as well. 1291 00:57:31,515 --> 00:57:33,557 We're gonna move on. 1292 00:57:33,558 --> 00:57:35,559 We know how much you all wanted love, 1293 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,479 and you were willing to marry a stranger to find it. 1294 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,690 And to your credit, you continue to prove 1295 00:57:40,691 --> 00:57:44,485 - you are willing to do just about anything for love. - That's right. 1296 00:57:44,486 --> 00:57:47,905 Let's take a look at some moments that showcase exactly that. 1297 00:57:47,906 --> 00:57:49,323 Let's do it! 1298 00:57:49,324 --> 00:57:50,741 Safety lesson: just hold on tight. 1299 00:57:50,742 --> 00:57:54,370 I'm willing to do anything for love. 1300 00:57:54,371 --> 00:57:56,414 {\an8}Let's full send. 1301 00:57:56,415 --> 00:57:58,582 {\an8}This was the worst day of my life. 1302 00:57:58,583 --> 00:58:00,209 {\an8}♪ I don't know What is coming over me ♪ 1303 00:58:00,210 --> 00:58:02,294 {\an8}I thought I'd step it up a notch. 1304 00:58:02,295 --> 00:58:04,880 {\an8}Oh, jeez! 1305 00:58:04,881 --> 00:58:08,217 {\an8}♪ Ain't no regrets Just memories to make ♪ 1306 00:58:10,262 --> 00:58:11,721 {\an8}Oh, Lord! 1307 00:58:11,722 --> 00:58:14,974 {\an8}♪ Put your hands up 'Cause we... ♪ 1308 00:58:14,975 --> 00:58:18,269 {\an8}- Oh, my God! - This is good. 1309 00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:19,103 {\an8}Can I get a kiss like this? 1310 00:58:19,104 --> 00:58:21,147 - No. - What? 1311 00:58:21,148 --> 00:58:22,732 - All right, you ready to go faster? - No. 1312 00:58:22,733 --> 00:58:24,442 Come on. 1313 00:58:24,443 --> 00:58:28,612 I haven't been ice skating in a while, but I feel confident. 1314 00:58:30,949 --> 00:58:34,410 {\an8}- Yeah, that one hurt. - I have done some crazy things. 1315 00:58:34,411 --> 00:58:36,620 {\an8}Oh, wow. Wow. 1316 00:58:36,621 --> 00:58:38,998 But this is by far one of the craziest. 1317 00:58:38,999 --> 00:58:42,084 - Like, am I supposed to not able to breathe at all? - Yes, that's part of it. 1318 00:58:42,085 --> 00:58:44,628 Being pampered by my wife feels awkward. 1319 00:58:44,629 --> 00:58:47,566 - Hell no. - Nice. Nice. 1320 00:58:48,425 --> 00:58:51,594 Nice. Nice. All right. 1321 00:58:51,595 --> 00:58:55,639 So now, next, these two got off to a rocky start, 1322 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,643 but they're the reason why my wife's group chat 1323 00:58:59,644 --> 00:59:02,354 has been blowing up for the last several weeks. 1324 00:59:02,355 --> 00:59:04,833 It's Nikki and Shawn next. 1325 00:59:09,821 --> 00:59:13,908 {\an8}All right, so now you two were a no at Decision Day, 1326 00:59:13,909 --> 00:59:15,618 {\an8}but let's go back to the wedding. 1327 00:59:15,619 --> 00:59:17,495 Let's go back to jumping the broom. 1328 00:59:17,496 --> 00:59:19,121 - Okay? - That was sweet. 1329 00:59:19,122 --> 00:59:20,915 - Now, Nikki. - Yes? 1330 00:59:20,916 --> 00:59:22,792 And this is really from my wife. 1331 00:59:22,793 --> 00:59:24,418 All right. 1332 00:59:24,419 --> 00:59:29,399 Okay. At the wedding, Shawn is standing in front of you. 1333 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:32,593 How did you not realize that was your husband? 1334 00:59:43,021 --> 00:59:46,750 {\an8}At the wedding, Shawn is standing in front of you. 1335 00:59:48,527 --> 00:59:51,237 {\an8}How did you not realize that was your husband? 1336 00:59:53,632 --> 00:59:55,091 {\an8}What am I supposed to do, stand here... 1337 00:59:57,994 --> 01:00:00,538 {\an8}I think this is the biggest question everyone has, 1338 01:00:00,539 --> 01:00:03,999 {\an8}and honestly, there was so much going on for all of us, right? 1339 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,961 Like, there was so much to process in that moment, 1340 01:00:06,962 --> 01:00:09,171 and one of the things that I remember 1341 01:00:09,172 --> 01:00:13,676 is the producers were like, "We're gonna take your wedding preferences, 1342 01:00:13,677 --> 01:00:15,344 we're gonna take his, we're gonna sum it all up." 1343 01:00:15,345 --> 01:00:19,765 So I literally thought that he was one of the officiants. 1344 01:00:19,766 --> 01:00:22,768 I thought they took my choice to have a woman officiant 1345 01:00:22,769 --> 01:00:24,812 - and his choice to have a male officiant. - Oh! 1346 01:00:24,813 --> 01:00:27,815 So half of the internet is right that I literally thought 1347 01:00:27,816 --> 01:00:30,192 he was the officiant, plus the way you were dressed. 1348 01:00:30,193 --> 01:00:34,572 And so it was a genuine moment of confusion 1349 01:00:34,573 --> 01:00:38,492 that quickly untangled itself. 1350 01:00:38,493 --> 01:00:41,453 That's wild. 1351 01:00:41,454 --> 01:00:43,706 I literally thought that my husband hadn't walked down the aisle yet. 1352 01:00:43,707 --> 01:00:46,542 - Really? - I thought it was like a switcheroo situation. 1353 01:00:46,543 --> 01:00:48,544 - Wasn't what I expected. - Okay. 1354 01:00:48,545 --> 01:00:51,046 {\an8}And so my brain registered officiant. 1355 01:00:51,047 --> 01:00:54,300 {\an8}It was painfully obvious to me that Nikki was not very physically attracted to Shawn. 1356 01:00:54,301 --> 01:00:58,262 I remember one time we were in a group therapy session 1357 01:00:58,263 --> 01:01:00,681 and Shawn brought up, you know, take a bath together. 1358 01:01:00,682 --> 01:01:02,933 Nikki, your face does not hide anything. 1359 01:01:02,934 --> 01:01:05,352 I thought she looked disgusted. 1360 01:01:05,353 --> 01:01:07,313 I was like, "Holy," like, when he said that. 1361 01:01:07,314 --> 01:01:10,065 And what I was seeing from this dynamic 1362 01:01:10,066 --> 01:01:13,235 was Nikki clearly didn't find Shawn physically attractive, 1363 01:01:13,236 --> 01:01:17,323 and I felt like that made Shawn feel smaller, 1364 01:01:17,324 --> 01:01:18,866 and I felt like he acted out. 1365 01:01:18,867 --> 01:01:20,993 And not only did he act out, but then I think he was 1366 01:01:20,994 --> 01:01:23,495 trying to prove that, like, "No, I can still get this girl." 1367 01:01:23,496 --> 01:01:28,042 I'm sorry, Shawn, but, like, as a guy almost 20 years on me, 1368 01:01:28,043 --> 01:01:32,171 um, he just kept making really uncomfortable sexual comments 1369 01:01:32,172 --> 01:01:36,675 that-- uh, it was just really hard to watch. 1370 01:01:36,676 --> 01:01:39,345 {\an8}When I met Shawn at the altar and I realized he was my husband, 1371 01:01:39,346 --> 01:01:40,846 {\an8}I was not physically attracted to him. 1372 01:01:40,847 --> 01:01:42,723 {\an8}- Right. - He is not my physical type. 1373 01:01:42,724 --> 01:01:47,061 {\an8}I also remember conveying that I was prioritizing other qualities, 1374 01:01:47,062 --> 01:01:50,981 {\an8}character traits like integrity, kindness, compassion. 1375 01:01:50,982 --> 01:01:53,692 I also don't think those are key strengths for you, Shawn. 1376 01:01:53,693 --> 01:01:59,448 And so I spent the greater part of this experience compelling myself to be open 1377 01:01:59,449 --> 01:02:03,702 based on also some of your coaching to understand and receive him as a total person. 1378 01:02:03,703 --> 01:02:06,622 And so I grew in my likability, respect. 1379 01:02:06,623 --> 01:02:08,791 Like, I kind of went on this journey, 1380 01:02:08,792 --> 01:02:12,169 but I will say I sort of put myself in a position 1381 01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:15,881 to try to see, you know, if I put these things aside, 1382 01:02:15,882 --> 01:02:17,883 what that might unlock. 1383 01:02:17,884 --> 01:02:21,136 A challenge for both of you at one of the group sessions 1384 01:02:21,137 --> 01:02:24,974 was blending friends and family, right? 1385 01:02:24,975 --> 01:02:29,436 That's something that I believe that you two never did, 1386 01:02:29,437 --> 01:02:31,814 and I'm curious as to why. 1387 01:02:31,815 --> 01:02:36,610 I can't say we never did. I certainly included my family and friends in the process. 1388 01:02:36,611 --> 01:02:39,697 And I was actually surprised that wasn't part of what was captured in the season, 1389 01:02:39,698 --> 01:02:43,325 because we had a dinner where my nephew came over with his girlfriend. 1390 01:02:43,326 --> 01:02:47,162 We had a FaceTime call with my best friend and his wife. 1391 01:02:47,163 --> 01:02:51,917 We had a family group chat FaceTime call that I host every week 1392 01:02:51,918 --> 01:02:54,920 that I included Nikki on a couple of times. 1393 01:02:54,921 --> 01:02:56,797 Family is, like, the most important thing to me. 1394 01:02:56,798 --> 01:03:00,217 It's how I see connecting marriage to myself, 1395 01:03:00,218 --> 01:03:02,594 and not having any connection with her family at all 1396 01:03:02,595 --> 01:03:06,098 was just the biggest red flag that made me understand that it was a no. 1397 01:03:06,099 --> 01:03:08,267 That's one of the things I really liked about Shawn, 1398 01:03:08,268 --> 01:03:09,893 that there were many instances where I could see him 1399 01:03:09,894 --> 01:03:12,354 in action with his family, and it was beautiful. 1400 01:03:12,355 --> 01:03:15,399 And I, like, "Oh, this is my family now," right? 1401 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:20,279 But I will say that I didn't feel consistent enough psychological safety with him, 1402 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,907 and so there was this plan for him to meet my mother, 1403 01:03:23,908 --> 01:03:26,160 who is the most important person on Earth to me. 1404 01:03:26,161 --> 01:03:29,455 I'm protective of her, and so I remember thinking deeply about it, 1405 01:03:29,456 --> 01:03:31,373 and I think we had had a fight before, 1406 01:03:31,374 --> 01:03:33,208 and I ended up canceling that meetup. 1407 01:03:33,209 --> 01:03:35,961 Yeah, we understand that you have brought your mother... 1408 01:03:35,962 --> 01:03:37,755 - She is in the building. - ...here tonight. 1409 01:03:37,756 --> 01:03:40,341 {\an8}And we see her. 1410 01:03:40,342 --> 01:03:42,551 {\an8}Yes, there she is. 1411 01:03:42,552 --> 01:03:46,096 {\an8}All right, so, I'm curious, 1412 01:03:46,097 --> 01:03:48,223 {\an8}if you could've sat down with Shawn, 1413 01:03:48,224 --> 01:03:50,225 {\an8}what would you have told him? 1414 01:03:50,226 --> 01:03:52,936 - Protect her. Protect her. Protect her heart. - Yeah. 1415 01:03:52,937 --> 01:03:56,440 Um, hopefully he's a good human being 1416 01:03:56,441 --> 01:03:59,836 and he would know how to treat her and respect her. 1417 01:04:00,904 --> 01:04:03,447 And in that, I didn't see that. 1418 01:04:03,448 --> 01:04:06,658 And as a mom, it was very hard for me to watch 1419 01:04:06,659 --> 01:04:09,870 just the level of disrespect. 1420 01:04:09,871 --> 01:04:12,164 And I want her to find the best partner 1421 01:04:12,165 --> 01:04:14,583 that is a good human being just like she is. 1422 01:04:14,584 --> 01:04:16,627 But I didn't see that in Shawn. 1423 01:04:16,628 --> 01:04:21,131 He didn't show up for her. He didn't protect her. 1424 01:04:21,132 --> 01:04:24,885 It's just a lot of things that I'd rather not say. 1425 01:04:24,886 --> 01:04:29,390 I could say a lot, but I'd rather not say. 1426 01:04:29,391 --> 01:04:31,141 - I think you've said enough. - Yes. 1427 01:04:31,142 --> 01:04:35,187 So, Shawn, what's your response? 1428 01:04:35,188 --> 01:04:39,233 Yeah. First of all, I wanna say to Nikki's mom, 1429 01:04:39,234 --> 01:04:42,486 uh, I'm sorry that that's what you feel 1430 01:04:42,487 --> 01:04:46,323 and that it came off as if I wasn't trying to protect Nikki. 1431 01:04:46,324 --> 01:04:48,659 I don't know what it's like to be a parent, 1432 01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:51,912 and so I can only imagine what it's like to see your daughter 1433 01:04:51,913 --> 01:04:55,666 feel disrespected and feel not cared for. 1434 01:04:55,667 --> 01:04:58,794 {\an8}It's not the way that I was raised by my mom and my dad. 1435 01:04:58,795 --> 01:05:03,173 {\an8}You met my mom, and you know that I come from good stock. 1436 01:05:03,174 --> 01:05:07,678 {\an8}And so I do believe that you are owed an apology for that. 1437 01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:10,722 There's multiple times I tried to get in touch with you. 1438 01:05:10,723 --> 01:05:12,850 It wasn't just one cancellation. 1439 01:05:12,851 --> 01:05:16,728 It was, like, three or four that Nikki would cancel because she was unhappy. 1440 01:05:16,729 --> 01:05:20,232 And I believe that when things are not going well, 1441 01:05:20,233 --> 01:05:22,526 your family and your community support 1442 01:05:22,527 --> 01:05:24,653 is the backbone to help you get back on track. 1443 01:05:24,654 --> 01:05:27,322 It's not just on you. 1444 01:05:27,323 --> 01:05:30,826 And so I was hoping that she would rely on her family to help make the marriage successful, 1445 01:05:30,827 --> 01:05:33,537 and she wanted to do it by herself. 1446 01:05:33,538 --> 01:05:35,789 - I'm gonna cut you off. - And I think if we had a chance to actually connect... 1447 01:05:35,790 --> 01:05:39,060 - Can we cut him off? - ...I would have loved to connected with you. 1448 01:05:39,461 --> 01:05:43,213 One of the things that I feel sad about the most is that 1449 01:05:43,214 --> 01:05:47,634 when there was an opportunity to try to connect with you, 1450 01:05:47,635 --> 01:05:49,887 to try to connect with other family members, 1451 01:05:49,888 --> 01:05:53,682 I realized that she hadn't told people in her family about the process. 1452 01:05:53,683 --> 01:05:57,436 I think what I learned the most was from speaking with you all 1453 01:05:57,437 --> 01:06:01,190 was taking that time to add tools to my toolkit 1454 01:06:01,191 --> 01:06:04,860 because I was deficient in how to be a better communicator. 1455 01:06:04,861 --> 01:06:07,112 And that's something I wanted to learn in the process. 1456 01:06:07,113 --> 01:06:10,240 So I really wish I had time to have spent with you. 1457 01:06:10,241 --> 01:06:12,093 Shawn, that was a bunch of BS. 1458 01:06:13,361 --> 01:06:17,348 You said a whole lot of words that really meant nothing and landed nowhere. 1459 01:06:23,796 --> 01:06:26,089 {\an8}Shawn, that was a bunch of BS. 1460 01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:29,426 {\an8}You said a whole lot of words that really meant nothing and landed nowhere. 1461 01:06:29,427 --> 01:06:30,627 {\an8}You said you're sorry she feels that way. 1462 01:06:30,628 --> 01:06:34,097 {\an8}That's, like, a shitty apology. It's not even an apology. 1463 01:06:34,098 --> 01:06:37,434 {\an8}Then you proceeded to sort of admonish her 1464 01:06:37,435 --> 01:06:42,147 {\an8}about my choices not to include my family as if that were wrong. 1465 01:06:42,148 --> 01:06:44,566 I did that to protect her. 1466 01:06:44,567 --> 01:06:46,902 I wasn't proud of you as a partner. 1467 01:06:46,903 --> 01:06:48,987 I didn't feel safe with you as a partner. 1468 01:06:48,988 --> 01:06:51,532 So those were my choices. 1469 01:06:51,533 --> 01:06:55,494 And for me to feel like I need to protect my family from you says a lot. 1470 01:06:55,495 --> 01:06:58,539 So how dare you have a space to talk to my mother 1471 01:06:58,540 --> 01:07:01,416 and you give her a half-hearted apology, 1472 01:07:01,417 --> 01:07:05,254 and then you begin to admonish her about us being unsuccessful 1473 01:07:05,255 --> 01:07:08,465 because I didn't let her in or because she didn't tell me to let you in. 1474 01:07:08,466 --> 01:07:10,509 - That is complete BS. - So what I was saying-- 1475 01:07:10,510 --> 01:07:12,761 what I was saying was that my approach 1476 01:07:12,762 --> 01:07:16,306 when there's difficulty in a relationship is to include my family. 1477 01:07:16,307 --> 01:07:19,059 Your approach is different, which is to protect your family. 1478 01:07:19,060 --> 01:07:22,479 The family part doesn't matter. You were a shitty individual in this marriage. 1479 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,233 Okay, well, I'm not gonna invalidate what you feel, but I know-- 1480 01:07:26,234 --> 01:07:28,318 Well, how about you give my mom a proper fucking apology? 1481 01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:31,780 Yeah. 1482 01:07:31,781 --> 01:07:34,366 I don't even know enough of your mom's perspective 1483 01:07:34,367 --> 01:07:37,244 to offer an apology for what she was actually upset about. 1484 01:07:37,245 --> 01:07:40,122 She said, "I felt like you disrespected my daughter." 1485 01:07:40,123 --> 01:07:41,790 I apologize for that. 1486 01:07:41,791 --> 01:07:46,128 There's not any actual thing that you told me about 1487 01:07:46,129 --> 01:07:49,214 - that tells me what I disrespected her about-- - Oh, she needs to prove to you 1488 01:07:49,215 --> 01:07:51,008 - that you disrespected me? - No, no, no, no. No-- 1489 01:07:51,009 --> 01:07:52,801 The entire cast knows you disrespected me. 1490 01:07:52,802 --> 01:07:55,429 The entire internet knows you disrespected me. 1491 01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:58,807 And the fact that you watched the episodes back 1492 01:07:58,808 --> 01:08:02,102 and are asking my mother to tell you specifics 1493 01:08:02,103 --> 01:08:04,396 of where you disrespected me is complete BS, 1494 01:08:04,397 --> 01:08:06,732 and I hope it's evident to everyone in this room 1495 01:08:06,733 --> 01:08:09,901 and everyone who will watch this that you take no accountability. 1496 01:08:09,902 --> 01:08:15,073 And I am really disappointed that in a year, I see no growth from you. 1497 01:08:15,074 --> 01:08:18,619 Well, I feel like what you're trying to do is paint me in a certain way 1498 01:08:18,620 --> 01:08:20,912 instead of just listening to what I'm saying. 1499 01:08:20,913 --> 01:08:23,874 I'm listening to what you're saying, but you're not saying anything. 1500 01:08:23,875 --> 01:08:26,043 The passion that you're bringing, I appreciate it. 1501 01:08:26,044 --> 01:08:29,004 But honestly, the passion for what we had 1502 01:08:29,005 --> 01:08:30,088 is just not there for me anymore. 1503 01:08:30,089 --> 01:08:32,257 I think it's more of a moving-- 1504 01:08:32,258 --> 01:08:34,176 - What are we talking about? - What are you talking about? 1505 01:08:34,177 --> 01:08:37,262 It's just moving forward, because in my mind, 1506 01:08:37,263 --> 01:08:39,848 I would have loved to have a conversation with your mom. 1507 01:08:39,849 --> 01:08:43,143 Leave my mother out of this conversation now. 1508 01:08:43,144 --> 01:08:45,812 Leave her out of the conversation, Shawn. 1509 01:08:45,813 --> 01:08:47,147 You asked me to apologize to her and now you're telling me not to say anything to her. 1510 01:08:47,148 --> 01:08:48,815 You say it's not done and you're talking about 1511 01:08:48,816 --> 01:08:50,025 10 different things at once 1512 01:08:50,026 --> 01:08:52,361 and still not taking accountability. 1513 01:08:52,362 --> 01:08:54,571 {\an8}Like, this is kind of ridiculous. Like, experts, come on. 1514 01:08:54,572 --> 01:08:57,366 {\an8}I'm curious to actually open it up to the group. 1515 01:08:57,367 --> 01:08:59,368 {\an8}I'm watching out of every couple we've spoken to tonight-- 1516 01:08:59,369 --> 01:09:02,120 {\an8}- I'm embarrassed for you, Shawn. - Each one of your faces 1517 01:09:02,121 --> 01:09:04,414 {\an8}looks like it's speaking a thousand words. 1518 01:09:04,415 --> 01:09:06,458 {\an8}Who wants to go first? 1519 01:09:06,459 --> 01:09:10,462 I will say the "Seattle ten, New York seven" comment-- 1520 01:09:10,463 --> 01:09:13,173 {\an8}- Was insane. - You all have the right context for that conversation? 1521 01:09:13,174 --> 01:09:15,092 {\an8}Yeah, we get the context. We still hate it. 1522 01:09:15,093 --> 01:09:16,968 {\an8}- Is there any proper context for that? - Yes, there is a proper context. 1523 01:09:16,969 --> 01:09:19,388 {\an8}- We still hate it. - We still hate it. You don't fight-- 1524 01:09:19,389 --> 01:09:22,599 {\an8}You can hate the comment, but I would also offer that 1525 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,687 {\an8}when someone looks at you, grabs your belly with two hands, 1526 01:09:26,688 --> 01:09:29,731 {\an8}and says, "Look at you. That's not what I wanted." 1527 01:09:29,732 --> 01:09:31,483 {\an8}That's not even characteristic of Nikki. 1528 01:09:31,484 --> 01:09:33,443 {\an8}That's not even something I would do. 1529 01:09:33,444 --> 01:09:35,779 {\an8}Then, in response, sometimes hurt people try to hurt people. 1530 01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:37,989 {\an8}Were you hurt when you went to go see her house 1531 01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:41,076 {\an8}and it was a beautiful, gorgeous house and you had to put it down? 1532 01:09:41,077 --> 01:09:42,744 {\an8}- I did not put it down. - You did! 1533 01:09:42,745 --> 01:09:44,496 - You did. - You're like, "It's not that good." 1534 01:09:44,497 --> 01:09:46,790 - You definitely did. - This is him. This is my legs. 1535 01:09:46,791 --> 01:09:49,501 You said, "I think that Nikki's used to being bougie. 1536 01:09:49,502 --> 01:09:52,254 I've seen bougier. It's not that great." 1537 01:09:52,255 --> 01:09:54,923 - That was what you said. - That's like, again, it's not all that. 1538 01:09:54,924 --> 01:09:58,427 {\an8}I do think it was giving battle of the Beyoncé, 1539 01:09:58,428 --> 01:10:01,179 {\an8}and stop trying to compete where you don't compare. 1540 01:10:01,180 --> 01:10:02,556 {\an8}You're a man. We're women. 1541 01:10:02,557 --> 01:10:05,308 The bougieness, I apologize for that. 1542 01:10:05,309 --> 01:10:08,103 I really do believe that you took it as 1543 01:10:08,104 --> 01:10:10,021 me looking down on you and that is-- 1544 01:10:10,022 --> 01:10:11,815 But that was a concessional. 1545 01:10:11,816 --> 01:10:14,568 Regardless of my intent, that was the wrong thing to say 1546 01:10:14,569 --> 01:10:15,777 and I should not have said that to you. 1547 01:10:15,778 --> 01:10:19,448 There was a lot of reaction around Shawn 1548 01:10:19,449 --> 01:10:22,242 asking you to take care of his needs. 1549 01:10:22,243 --> 01:10:24,369 - That was crazy. - Crazy. 1550 01:10:24,370 --> 01:10:26,288 Crazy. 1551 01:10:26,289 --> 01:10:29,458 {\an8}Honestly, it just made me feel very uncomfortable. 1552 01:10:29,459 --> 01:10:31,376 {\an8}Up until that point, you guys were making improvements, 1553 01:10:31,377 --> 01:10:34,713 {\an8}and then you immediately became defensive... 1554 01:10:34,714 --> 01:10:36,381 {\an8}- Gaslit her. - ...and invalidated her feelings, and I was like, 1555 01:10:36,382 --> 01:10:38,383 {\an8}no, Shawn, no, you're doing it. 1556 01:10:38,384 --> 01:10:41,094 You deflected, you didn't take accountability whatsoever, 1557 01:10:41,095 --> 01:10:44,222 and I was like, damn, that would have been a great opportunity 1558 01:10:44,223 --> 01:10:46,558 to accept Nikki and bring her in, 1559 01:10:46,559 --> 01:10:49,227 because she was being soft and she was being a polar opposite 1560 01:10:49,228 --> 01:10:51,188 of what she had been in the past, 1561 01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:52,856 which was very aggressive and combative, 1562 01:10:52,857 --> 01:10:55,734 and you just kinda, like, pushed her away. 1563 01:10:55,735 --> 01:10:58,904 Feel like there was some gaslighting going on in that moment too, 1564 01:10:58,905 --> 01:11:02,866 because she told you that you said "my duty as a wife," 1565 01:11:02,867 --> 01:11:05,285 and you told her "that's not what I said." 1566 01:11:05,286 --> 01:11:07,788 Then when they play it back, you're saying, 1567 01:11:07,789 --> 01:11:10,248 "I feel like as my wife--" what's the difference? That's the same thing. 1568 01:11:10,249 --> 01:11:11,958 So can I explain the difference in that? 1569 01:11:11,959 --> 01:11:13,877 First of all, let me start by saying, Mecca, thank you. 1570 01:11:13,878 --> 01:11:15,462 - Yeah. - Thank you. 1571 01:11:15,463 --> 01:11:17,798 Nikki, I'm sorry for making you feel that way. 1572 01:11:17,799 --> 01:11:20,550 100%, end point blank. 1573 01:11:20,551 --> 01:11:25,222 To your point, if I am going to have a physical need, 1574 01:11:25,223 --> 01:11:27,724 I think it's to do that with your wife 1575 01:11:27,725 --> 01:11:30,101 as opposed to doing it with anybody else. 1576 01:11:30,102 --> 01:11:31,603 I don't think you have to do it. 1577 01:11:31,604 --> 01:11:34,689 Duty in my mind means, hey, because you are my wife, 1578 01:11:34,690 --> 01:11:36,316 you need to do this thing for me, 1579 01:11:36,317 --> 01:11:38,485 which is a very different thing than saying 1580 01:11:38,486 --> 01:11:41,363 the thing that I need and I would like, I would like for it to be you. 1581 01:11:41,364 --> 01:11:44,157 This is classic Shawn wordplay. 1582 01:11:44,158 --> 01:11:45,784 I'm sorry, I was about to agree with you, because this is really hitting home for me 1583 01:11:45,785 --> 01:11:48,620 because he literally just gave me advice in the back 1584 01:11:48,621 --> 01:11:50,956 about shutting up and taking accountability. 1585 01:11:50,957 --> 01:11:53,458 - Zero. - But every time you're accused of something, Shawn, 1586 01:11:53,459 --> 01:11:55,877 there's an explanation, there's a "but." 1587 01:11:55,878 --> 01:11:57,879 - You have to create this-- - Well, she asked a question, so I answered it. 1588 01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,506 {\an8}Well, I would agree with that, 'cause you did say that in the back. 1589 01:11:59,507 --> 01:12:03,260 {\an8}I apologize for saying it was her wifely duty. 1590 01:12:03,261 --> 01:12:06,346 But it's more than that, though. It's like an accountability thing, too. 1591 01:12:06,347 --> 01:12:08,265 - It's the whole thing. - I feel like you're not able to do that, but. 1592 01:12:08,266 --> 01:12:10,183 Blow it all up. 1593 01:12:10,184 --> 01:12:13,353 Because we do want this to be an opportunity of closure, 1594 01:12:13,354 --> 01:12:15,063 I do wonder if you each have availability 1595 01:12:15,064 --> 01:12:17,983 to just say something nice about each other 1596 01:12:17,984 --> 01:12:22,195 and or what you've taken away positive from this experience. 1597 01:12:22,196 --> 01:12:23,989 I don't have anything nice to say. 1598 01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:25,991 Okay. 1599 01:12:25,992 --> 01:12:27,617 No, I feel like I've said nice things throughout this experience. 1600 01:12:27,618 --> 01:12:29,411 I feel like I've been very balanced. 1601 01:12:29,412 --> 01:12:31,204 I feel like there's a deficit on his end, 1602 01:12:31,205 --> 01:12:33,832 but I don't need his niceties. Like, they don't matter to me. 1603 01:12:33,833 --> 01:12:35,584 Okay, all right. 1604 01:12:35,585 --> 01:12:38,587 Shawn, I would love to offer you the same opportunity. 1605 01:12:38,588 --> 01:12:40,338 I am appreciative. 1606 01:12:40,339 --> 01:12:42,257 I was so nervous about whether you all 1607 01:12:42,258 --> 01:12:43,967 were gonna match me with a Black woman, 1608 01:12:43,968 --> 01:12:45,760 and that's what I wanted. 1609 01:12:45,761 --> 01:12:47,095 - I'm so glad that you-- - I'm more than just a Black woman. 1610 01:12:47,096 --> 01:12:48,638 Yeah, I was about to say. 1611 01:12:48,639 --> 01:12:49,931 Agreed. 1612 01:12:49,932 --> 01:12:53,101 I'm also grateful for the fact that you were 1613 01:12:53,102 --> 01:12:55,520 someone who was ambitious. 1614 01:12:55,521 --> 01:12:58,607 You were someone who really worked hard 1615 01:12:58,608 --> 01:13:00,442 to get to where you're at. 1616 01:13:00,443 --> 01:13:02,152 Bought a beautiful home, 1617 01:13:02,153 --> 01:13:04,529 did a lot of beautiful things to make your life pretty, 1618 01:13:04,530 --> 01:13:06,239 and you have a great relationship with your mom. 1619 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:07,824 And I think that's important, too. 1620 01:13:07,825 --> 01:13:11,411 Nikki and Shawn, are you seeing anyone? 1621 01:13:11,412 --> 01:13:13,413 - Nikki. - I'm single. 1622 01:13:13,414 --> 01:13:15,206 Shawn? 1623 01:13:15,207 --> 01:13:17,751 I'm single, and the women that are looking like 1624 01:13:17,752 --> 01:13:22,380 Lisa Leslie over 6'1" are DMing me, so that's fine. 1625 01:13:22,381 --> 01:13:24,758 We'll see where that goes. 1626 01:13:24,759 --> 01:13:26,217 Okay. 1627 01:13:26,218 --> 01:13:28,011 Delus'. 1628 01:13:28,012 --> 01:13:30,388 Michelle and Cameron, I wanted to come back to you. 1629 01:13:30,389 --> 01:13:34,309 {\an8}When you think about this experience, 1630 01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:39,856 {\an8}what do you believe it was that allowed you to remain together? 1631 01:13:39,857 --> 01:13:43,485 In the past, at the first feeling 1632 01:13:43,486 --> 01:13:46,988 of anything that I didn't like about someone 1633 01:13:46,989 --> 01:13:50,116 or something I thought was weird or uncomfortable, 1634 01:13:50,117 --> 01:13:53,912 I would be like, "All right, that must mean that this person isn't right for me." 1635 01:13:53,913 --> 01:13:58,291 But I think being able to express those insecurities, 1636 01:13:58,292 --> 01:14:01,586 fears, whatever you wanna call them, 1637 01:14:01,587 --> 01:14:04,172 and having her support me through it, everything, 1638 01:14:04,173 --> 01:14:07,050 just made me feel so comfortable, loved, and... 1639 01:14:07,051 --> 01:14:11,012 just a different feeling than I've ever experienced before. 1640 01:14:11,013 --> 01:14:15,225 {\an8}I felt like a huge part of this experience, too, 1641 01:14:15,226 --> 01:14:19,771 {\an8}was just the therapy sessions that we had from the two of you, 1642 01:14:19,772 --> 01:14:23,817 because it really encouraged us to talk about our feelings. 1643 01:14:23,818 --> 01:14:27,570 It encouraged Cameron to talk about his fears as well. 1644 01:14:27,571 --> 01:14:30,824 And it just really built up a strong foundation 1645 01:14:30,825 --> 01:14:32,784 for us to better communicate 1646 01:14:32,785 --> 01:14:36,788 and a safe environment for us to express ourselves. 1647 01:14:36,789 --> 01:14:39,124 Michelle, you were open about the challenges 1648 01:14:39,125 --> 01:14:41,876 that you may face in starting a family 1649 01:14:41,877 --> 01:14:43,920 and wanting to start it right away. 1650 01:14:43,921 --> 01:14:45,630 Any updates? 1651 01:14:45,631 --> 01:14:51,052 So I think one of the biggest things is I had fibroids. 1652 01:14:51,053 --> 01:14:53,471 And so fertility was definitely something 1653 01:14:53,472 --> 01:14:55,724 that I was really worried about. 1654 01:14:55,725 --> 01:14:58,226 And, you know, over the past eight years, 1655 01:14:58,227 --> 01:15:00,311 something that I was really trying to focus on 1656 01:15:00,312 --> 01:15:02,647 was preserving my fertility, 1657 01:15:02,648 --> 01:15:05,108 which I feel like as a woman, 1658 01:15:05,109 --> 01:15:07,777 it's just something that is so innate. 1659 01:15:07,778 --> 01:15:09,779 You know, my case was just so bad. 1660 01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:14,367 And so in May, I ended up getting a hysterectomy. 1661 01:15:14,368 --> 01:15:16,286 - Oh, you did? - Mm-hmm. 1662 01:15:16,287 --> 01:15:18,180 Um... 1663 01:15:19,832 --> 01:15:22,500 You know, I was-- I'm at peace with it. 1664 01:15:22,501 --> 01:15:26,772 Um, I feel a lot better, and... 1665 01:15:28,591 --> 01:15:32,570 while I wish that my life was different, um... 1666 01:15:34,388 --> 01:15:36,097 - Oh, my gosh. - It's okay. 1667 01:15:36,098 --> 01:15:38,141 - We love you. - Yeah, we love you. 1668 01:15:38,142 --> 01:15:39,869 At the same time, like... 1669 01:15:40,336 --> 01:15:43,146 it's made me realize that there are a lot of women out there 1670 01:15:43,147 --> 01:15:47,543 who go through women's health issues, whether it be... 1671 01:15:49,570 --> 01:15:53,531 fibroids or, you know, endometriosis. 1672 01:15:53,532 --> 01:15:57,285 And a lot of women have to go through IVF. 1673 01:15:57,286 --> 01:16:00,080 And early on, it was really important for me 1674 01:16:00,081 --> 01:16:02,707 to have that conversation with Cameron 1675 01:16:02,708 --> 01:16:05,085 and just to see how he handled it 1676 01:16:05,086 --> 01:16:11,758 and how he is so open to alternatives like adoption and also surrogacy. 1677 01:16:11,759 --> 01:16:14,010 That just meant the world to me. 1678 01:16:14,011 --> 01:16:17,806 So we'll definitely be looking into surrogacy, 1679 01:16:17,807 --> 01:16:20,308 which we know nothing about. 1680 01:16:20,309 --> 01:16:23,353 We feel so grateful that you shared this part of it. 1681 01:16:23,354 --> 01:16:25,396 And I feel like for any woman out there, right? 1682 01:16:25,397 --> 01:16:27,065 This is such a private thing. 1683 01:16:27,066 --> 01:16:29,484 You're so lucky that you have Cam, who's so supportive. 1684 01:16:29,485 --> 01:16:31,903 And thank you so much for letting us in 1685 01:16:31,904 --> 01:16:35,782 to this very, very hard piece of the journey. 1686 01:16:35,783 --> 01:16:37,992 Such a pleasure to see you two. 1687 01:16:37,993 --> 01:16:39,619 Well, thank you. 1688 01:16:39,620 --> 01:16:41,913 We wouldn't be here without the two of you. 1689 01:16:41,914 --> 01:16:45,667 Well, on that note, let's take a moment to celebrate you both 1690 01:16:45,668 --> 01:16:47,853 and look back at your first year of marriage. 1691 01:16:49,004 --> 01:16:51,256 {\an8}Cameron's taking me on a date. 1692 01:16:51,257 --> 01:16:53,258 {\an8}Getting you out of the house. 1693 01:16:53,259 --> 01:16:55,385 {\an8}♪ I felt my heart ♪ 1694 01:16:55,386 --> 01:16:57,554 {\an8}Love it! 1695 01:16:57,555 --> 01:17:01,057 {\an8}♪ When your eyes met mine The light ♪ 1696 01:17:01,058 --> 01:17:04,269 {\an8}♪ Flew right out of the room ♪ 1697 01:17:04,270 --> 01:17:05,395 {\an8}Happy moment. 1698 01:17:05,396 --> 01:17:07,313 {\an8}♪ And I don't wanna come down ♪ 1699 01:17:07,314 --> 01:17:09,482 {\an8}♪ My chest is spinning ♪ 1700 01:17:09,483 --> 01:17:11,818 {\an8}♪ Right round, right round ♪ 1701 01:17:11,819 --> 01:17:16,281 {\an8}♪ You're the only one now We're never going ♪ 1702 01:17:16,282 --> 01:17:18,908 {\an8}♪ Back down, back down ♪ 1703 01:17:18,909 --> 01:17:23,889 {\an8}♪ Ooh, I can't hide it ♪ 1704 01:17:24,832 --> 01:17:29,711 {\an8}♪ 'Cause, ooh, I'm in love ♪ 1705 01:17:29,712 --> 01:17:34,340 {\an8}♪ In love, I'm in love I'm in love ♪ 1706 01:17:34,341 --> 01:17:37,177 I'm, like, tearing up, like that was so sweet. 1707 01:17:37,178 --> 01:17:38,803 Y'all are cute as hell. 1708 01:17:38,804 --> 01:17:40,763 - Isn't that, yeah? - Super cute. 1709 01:17:40,764 --> 01:17:44,225 We wish you many more years of love in the future. 1710 01:17:44,226 --> 01:17:46,811 - Let's go. - Yeah. 1711 01:17:46,812 --> 01:17:48,396 - Aw. - Thank you. 1712 01:17:48,397 --> 01:17:51,107 We wanna thank each and every one of you truly 1713 01:17:51,108 --> 01:17:53,735 for sharing your stories and your vulnerability 1714 01:17:53,736 --> 01:17:56,738 and your hearts and letting us in on this journey. 1715 01:17:56,739 --> 01:18:00,909 And thank you to everybody at home for coming along for the ride. 1716 01:18:00,910 --> 01:18:02,535 Absolutely. 1717 01:18:02,536 --> 01:18:05,288 Dr. Lisa and I have not only enjoyed 1718 01:18:05,289 --> 01:18:08,416 joining the new Married at First Sight family, 1719 01:18:08,417 --> 01:18:11,794 but we're going to take this conversation even bigger 1720 01:18:11,795 --> 01:18:13,963 with our brand-new podcast. 1721 01:18:13,964 --> 01:18:16,216 It's exciting. 1722 01:18:16,217 --> 01:18:19,510 It is called "Love in Session." 1723 01:18:19,511 --> 01:18:20,929 Maybe you'll see some familiar faces 1724 01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:23,598 from Married at First Sight season 20. 1725 01:18:23,599 --> 01:18:25,266 That's right. And on that note... 1726 01:18:25,267 --> 01:18:27,936 {\an8}Good night, and we'll see you next season 1727 01:18:27,937 --> 01:18:30,813 {\an8}on Married at First Sight Charlotte. 1728 01:18:38,572 --> 01:18:40,716 {\an8}Chin-chin! 1729 01:18:42,576 --> 01:18:44,369 {\an8}Cheers, cheers, cheers. 1730 01:18:44,370 --> 01:18:46,829 {\an8}♪ Mine, all mine, all mine ♪ 1731 01:18:46,830 --> 01:18:48,539 {\an8}♪ Just to make you mine ♪ 1732 01:18:48,540 --> 01:18:50,392 {\an8}Beautiful-- . 1733 01:18:54,088 --> 01:18:56,482 {\an8}♪ Ooh, just to make you mine ♪