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- All right, y’all,
let’s get this done quick.

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- Last week on part one

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of the "Married At First Sight:
Boston Reunion,"

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I sat down with all the couples

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<i>from this past season
and got the inside scoop</i>

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<i>on what’s happened
since the came ras went away.</i>

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There were sweet moments
that showed us

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<i>that love can prevail.</i>

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You’re still
happily married, right?

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- Of course we are.

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[laughter]

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- Katina,
I couldn’t be any more happier

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to call you my wife.

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- And some big surprises
that came as quite a shock.

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- We are not together, no.

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<i>[tense music]</i>

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- Are you still
Mrs. Mark the Shark?

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- Absolutely not.

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- No?
- We’re not together.

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- And we revisited some
issues that have not

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and probably
will not be resolved.

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- I would put Lindsey
at the top for the way

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I was threatened
and bullied like that.

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- I truly believe
that I was putting in

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more of an effort than he was.

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- Alyssa, did Lindsey
make you uncomfortable?

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- Mm-hmm.
- In what way?

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- Every way?

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<i>- Nothing was off-limits,
</i> <i>and tonight,</i>

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we’re gonna dive even deeper.

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Do you think
she’s a good person?

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- [chuckles]
- Yeah.

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It’s a loaded question,
but it...

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<i>[dramatic music]</i>

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Olajuwon,
I’m about to throw you

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under the bus a little bit.

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Noi and Steve,

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did you guys
work everything out?

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- I don’t know what to believe.

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- You cannot say
that I did not try.

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And you didn’t hit me up at--

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- So--so this is what I--
- I’m not done talking.

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- I hate reliving this.

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<i>- We also have the "Married
</i> <i>At First Sight" experts.</i>

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- You both
destroyed the marriage.

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- Ooh, I have so many opinions.

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- I was told I wouldn’t feel
like I was being attacked,

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and I do feel that way.

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- You’re gonna go back
into the dating pool like,

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"What the frick
was I thinking?"

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<i>- The entire cast
will come together</i>

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to hash out the season’s
most talked about conflicts.

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- I cussed Olajuwon out
so many times.

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- I definitely
didn’t see that coming.

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- Alyssa, you blocked me,
like, sending messages

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to my husband
privately on Instagram.

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- I will not stand up for lies.

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- Did you go too far?

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- This is my line,
don’t pass it, respect me.

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<i>- All that and much more...</i>

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Mark says you spit on him.

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As the "Married At First Sight:
Boston Reunion" continues.

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Wow!
- [laughs]

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- Bombshell!

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Boom, head exploded!

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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Welcome back to part two

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of the "Married At First Sight:
Boston Reunion."

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I’m your host, Kevin Frazier,

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and we have so much
to cover tonight.

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Last time, we met with all
the couples from Boston,

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and I’m joined now
on the stage by all the ladies.

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Now, this group of women
really brought the heat

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with their powerful
and unique personalities,

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and they didn’t always
get along, but that’s okay.

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Ladies, first of all,
I love the colors

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and I love the look.

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I mean, you look great.
- Thank you.

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- We had to make sure we
didn’t wear the same color.

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- We did.
- We’re trying to bring

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the rainbow here.
- [chuckles]

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<i>- Okay, you guys all--
when you first met,</i>

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<i>what were
your initial impressions?</i>

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- Well, my initial impression,

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I was like, Lindsey,
she’s high energy.

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Noi, I was like,
she’s so sweet.

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Jasmina, I was like, ooh,
I could tell

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that’s gonna be my homegirl.

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- [laughs]
- And then Alyssa, I could tell

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Alyssa was the type where I
gotta warm up to you first,

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but you were friendly,
you know what I mean?

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So...

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- So who stays in touch
with who?

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- I think we’re all
pretty much in touch.

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- Yeah, I have--
we have a group chat,

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we literally
talk every single day.

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- Yeah?
- Katina and I talk

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on the phone all the time.

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Noi and I have been talking

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a lot more and going out more.

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- Now, have some of y’all

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blocked each other
on social media?

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You said that Alyssa
blocked you

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on social media.
- Yeah.

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- Is that true?
- Yeah, yeah.

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I went, you know,
when we first met

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at the bachelorette party,

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<i>we all went around
and asked each other,</i>

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<i>what are your biggest flaws?</i>

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<i>And I remember I said,
</i> <i>you know, like,</i>

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<i>I’m intense,
I need somebody to reel me in.</i>

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And we had all gone around.

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And when we got to Alyssa,
she said, "Me?

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Nothing," and I was like,

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"Oh, self-awareness, got it."

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And she blocked me then

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before the second half
of the night,

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and I remember calling her
the next day to be like,

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"I’m sorry if that
hurt your feelings,

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I’d love to talk about it."

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But she
couldn’t be bothered, so...

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- That’s not what happened.

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Lindsey wasn’t saying
nice things about me

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at the bachelorette party,
and it made me uncomfortable

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to be friends
on social media with somebody

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who was
talking poorly about me.

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And the next day,
she did call me,

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but it wasn’t to apologize.

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It was actually very rude.

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And I actually had to say,
"Lindsey, you know,

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"I have no problem
talking to you.

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"But if you’re gonna talk
like that to me

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and say not nice things,
then I’m gonna hang up."

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And I did.

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- Okay.

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Does anybody else
have Lindsey blocked?

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- I don’t have her blocked,
but I unfollowed her.

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<i>[dramatic music]</i>

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- Okay, all right,
we’ll get to that in a second.

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Since Decision Day,

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Jasmina and Michael
called it quits,

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and so did Lindsey and Mark.

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Were you all surprised
by any of those decisions?

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- It wasn’t that
it was a surprise.

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I had had conversations
with Lindsey before and Mark

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where I could kind of see that
they were, like, butting heads.

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And then with Mike and Jasmina,

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it was the same thing.

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It’s like they both tried,

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and then
it just didn’t work out.

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- Noi, were you surprised?

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- I was surprised.

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I thought
that Mike and Jasmina,

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I know they had their
troubles with communication.

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- [chuckles]

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- They struggled a bit
in the beginning,

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but I really thought that
they could have worked out.

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I thought they would
find their flow, I guess.

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So I was surprised by that.

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And then Mark and Lindsey,

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I was surprised that
that happened so fast too,

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because they had
just moved in together.

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I think there was a lot
of intense emotions

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going between you guys,
but I didn’t really

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expect it to happen so soon.

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- Let’s talk about
Katina and Olajuwon,

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which, I mean, you want
to talk about a couple

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that just makes you smile,

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and it has been
a beautiful journey.

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But in the beginning...

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[laughter]
Olajuwon might have been

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a little confused about what he
expected out of his wife.

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I want to show
you all this clip--

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- Oh, gosh.
- Of a dinner you two had

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where Olajuwon was laying out
his expectations.

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- Oh, yeah.
[laughter]

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- I can’t settle with somebody
if I think they don’t

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have a base on just
being a adult

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because they don’t have enough
life experience.

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And that’s the disconnection
that I’m having with you.

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That’s how I truly
feel inside with me.

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I have to see
what you picked up.

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What does my wife--
can--is she a fast learner?

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I need to know
who I’m married to.

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- You know what?
I need a break.

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- Watching that back now,

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what does that make you think,
Jasmina, when you saw that?

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- I would always hear about it.

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I cussed Olajuwon out
so many times, honestly.

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Mike and I got so close
with Katina and Olajuwon

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because we just always
spoke about things

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in our marriage that
we just needed advice on.

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Olajuwon and I had, like,
one on one conversations

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where, you know,
I spoke to him about

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how he talks to her
or about the cooking thing.

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And I’m like,
"You don’t cook either."

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- [chuckling]
- You know,

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and I told him, like,
"I’m somebody

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that doesn’t
believe in gender roles,"

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you know, like,
"She also works a job.

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She also wants to come home
to a meal as well."

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- So you
got after Olajuwon, huh?

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- Yeah, a couple times.

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[laughter]
A couple times.

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- Lindsey, you and Olajuwon
have become friends.

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Watching that,
what did you think?

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- You know, I love Olajuwon.

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He wears his heart
on his sleeve,

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and he can say when he’s wrong
and say "I’m sorry."

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- He’s done a fantastic job.
- Yeah.

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- Mm-hmm.
- I, uh, I wanted

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to add to that.

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It’s one thing, like,
he is the type of person

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that when he’s angry, he says
a lot of things in the moment.

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- Yup.
- But what people

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don’t see
is when he catches himself.

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- Yeah.
- They--they don’t see him

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correcting himself.

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They don’t see him
admitting that

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he was wrong
and him apologizing.

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- Yeah, no doubt.

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And I mean, no one has grown
like he has grown.

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And by the way, Katina, how do
you handle Olajuwon these days?

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- Oh, now I just
talk [bleep] back.

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[laughter]

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<i>[upbeat music]</i>

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- And--and I got to say again,

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Olajuwon came out and he said,
"I saw that,

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"and I hated it.

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And I knew I had to be better."

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And he has, and--how about that
beautiful ring?

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Come on now.
- It’s ginormous.

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- I think she earned
every stone on that ring.

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- He did good. Right.

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He’s like,
"This is for all the times

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I embarrassed you on camera."

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[laughter]

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- It’s big, it’s big.

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Let’s talk about Noi and Steve,

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and were y’all
a little surprised

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when you saw there was
friction between them?

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- Yes!

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- Yeah, when you first--listen.
- I always wondered what

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their arguments looked like.
- No, because

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we were so open
and honest about things

246
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that we, like, went through,

247
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and they would always
be chilling.

248
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And then the first time they
said they had a problem,

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we were like, "What happened?"
- "Really?"

250
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Yeah.
- [laughter]

251
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- Are you comfortable
talking about it,

252
00:08:14,202 --> 00:08:16,162
or do you not want
to talk about it here, or...

253
00:08:16,246 --> 00:08:18,206
- I’d rather not.

254
00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:20,081
- Any reason?

255
00:08:20,208 --> 00:08:23,208
- I just don’t feel like it.

256
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- Okay. Um...

257
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<i>[tense music]</i>

258
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- We had a pretty easy
beginning,

259
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and then once we had tension
and started arguing,

260
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it was like, what do we do now?

261
00:08:36,391 --> 00:08:38,391
- What did you all
think about Steve

262
00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:40,438
not having full-time
employment initially?

263
00:08:40,562 --> 00:08:41,402
- [high-pitched] Mm.

264
00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,981
- For me,
when I heard Steve, like,

265
00:08:44,065 --> 00:08:47,395
traveled across country and he
said he didn’t have a job,

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I was like, "Well,
he has to have money."

267
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- Right.
- So in my opinion,

268
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I didn’t judge him
because he didn’t have a job.

269
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As long as he can take care
of you and himself

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and bills are paid,
I don’t see what the issue is.

271
00:09:00,874 --> 00:09:02,254
- Lindsey,
you thought differently.

272
00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:03,915
- No, I was like,
"This man needs a job."

273
00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:05,344
- [chuckles]
- Like, she grew up

274
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in a refugee camp.

275
00:09:06,588 --> 00:09:07,958
She said she wanted
a six-figure man.

276
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I don’t care if your family
has money or you have money,

277
00:09:10,091 --> 00:09:11,181
I want to see
your drive on a job.

278
00:09:11,259 --> 00:09:13,969
- No, I think we all agree
that he should have a job.

279
00:09:14,095 --> 00:09:15,135
But what we’re saying
is we didn’t judge him--

280
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- We didn’t judge him.
- Off of that right away.

281
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- Right.
- Yeah.

282
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- Because we wanted to hear

283
00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:22,483
why he didn’t have a job
and what the plan was.

284
00:09:22,604 --> 00:09:24,614
- Who here thinks
that Noi and Steve

285
00:09:24,731 --> 00:09:26,111
will be the first
to have babies?

286
00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:27,152
<i>[upbeat music]</i>

287
00:09:27,275 --> 00:09:28,935
Katina,
you raised that hand quick.

288
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[laughter]
Katina raised her hand quick.

289
00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:31,646
- I thought they would’ve
made one on the honeymoon!

290
00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:34,120
- Noi wants three kids, she’s
got to get on it, you know?

291
00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,830
- Everybody’s around
to babysit?

292
00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:37,120
- Of course.
- No.

293
00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:38,332
- Nah, I’m in California--
- I work with children, so...

294
00:09:38,453 --> 00:09:39,953
- You kind of have to come
and drop them off.

295
00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,290
I’ll watch them while you go
to wine country.

296
00:09:41,372 --> 00:09:42,462
- Okay. [laughs]
Perfect.

297
00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:43,960
- All right, well--well,
since you’re in California,

298
00:09:44,084 --> 00:09:45,044
let’s switch gears
and talk about y’all.

299
00:09:45,126 --> 00:09:47,586
During this journey,
there were points where

300
00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:49,710
you rubbed some of the other
ladies the wrong way,

301
00:09:49,798 --> 00:09:52,838
whether it was a look
or something you’ve said.

302
00:09:52,967 --> 00:09:55,007
Let’s take a look.

303
00:09:58,973 --> 00:10:00,183
[laughter]

304
00:10:00,308 --> 00:10:01,518
I was just triggered.

305
00:10:01,643 --> 00:10:03,693
- You know you triggered that
moment for yourself, right?

306
00:10:07,649 --> 00:10:08,939
You know?

307
00:10:09,025 --> 00:10:11,315
- It’s not my fault
that this happened.

308
00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:13,404
Please don’t do that,
Lindsey, while I’m talking.

309
00:10:13,488 --> 00:10:14,528
- [laughs]
I’m not doing anything.

310
00:10:14,656 --> 00:10:17,196
- Look at your wife
introducing you to things.

311
00:10:17,325 --> 00:10:18,825
- Does she blindfold you too?

312
00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:20,202
- No, but it’s like--
- I would, though.

313
00:10:20,328 --> 00:10:21,868
[laughs]
Let’s take you to the bedroom.

314
00:10:21,996 --> 00:10:24,366
[laughs]

315
00:10:24,499 --> 00:10:26,499
- Who is most likely
to start a fight?

316
00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:28,496
- Lindsey.
- I said Lindsey too.

317
00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:29,548
- Lindsey.
- Lindsey.

318
00:10:29,671 --> 00:10:32,511
- I don’t give a [bleep]
what y’all think.

319
00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:34,552
- The laugh is classic.

320
00:10:34,676 --> 00:10:37,046
- [laughs]

321
00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:38,428
- Has your lack of a filter

322
00:10:38,513 --> 00:10:40,103
gotten you in trouble
in the past?

323
00:10:40,181 --> 00:10:42,271
- Oh, of course, absolutely.
- Yeah?

324
00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:43,890
- I would be lying
if I said it didn’t.

325
00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:45,848
Of course I put my foot
in my mouth at times,

326
00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:48,899
but I think I can
always learn and, like,

327
00:10:49,023 --> 00:10:51,573
I love feedback
and I’m receptive to it.

328
00:10:51,693 --> 00:10:53,243
<i>♪ ♪</i>

329
00:10:53,361 --> 00:10:55,991
- Alyssa, did Lindsey
make you uncomfortable

330
00:10:56,072 --> 00:10:57,572
in the short time
that you were on the show?

331
00:10:57,699 --> 00:10:58,619
- Mm-hmm.

332
00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:01,450
I felt uncomfortable
every time, yeah.

333
00:11:01,536 --> 00:11:02,746
- What do you think about that?

334
00:11:02,871 --> 00:11:04,751
- Ooh, I have so many opinions.

335
00:11:04,873 --> 00:11:07,923
Let’s just cut
right to the chase.

336
00:11:08,042 --> 00:11:10,752
Alyssa, you blocked me,
but you were sending

337
00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:12,509
messages to my husband
privately on Instagram.

338
00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:13,589
- No.

339
00:11:13,715 --> 00:11:15,175
- I don’t believe you.

340
00:11:15,258 --> 00:11:16,548
- That’s not the truth.

341
00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:17,926
And I mean,
I have the messages.

342
00:11:18,052 --> 00:11:20,012
- You also were told

343
00:11:20,096 --> 00:11:21,596
not to be at the apartment,
but showed up

344
00:11:21,723 --> 00:11:23,933
and talked badly about me
to everybody you could.

345
00:11:24,058 --> 00:11:25,388
And I’d hear about it.

346
00:11:25,518 --> 00:11:26,768
And I was like, "Mark,
she doesn’t wish our

347
00:11:26,895 --> 00:11:27,815
"marriage well,
she doesn’t wish her well.

348
00:11:27,896 --> 00:11:29,396
"You don’t need to be
friends with her.

349
00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:30,772
She’s not a good person."

350
00:11:30,899 --> 00:11:32,149
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

351
00:11:32,233 --> 00:11:34,363
And I just really felt like

352
00:11:34,444 --> 00:11:37,784
we’re here for marriage,
and you’re not, so stay home.

353
00:11:37,906 --> 00:11:41,986
<i>♪ ♪</i>

354
00:11:42,076 --> 00:11:43,286
- Um...

355
00:11:43,411 --> 00:11:43,991
<i>♪ ♪</i>

356
00:11:47,582 --> 00:11:48,752
- Alyssa, you blocked me,

357
00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:49,925
but you were sending messages
to my husband

358
00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:50,753
privately on Instagram.

359
00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:51,627
- No.

360
00:11:51,753 --> 00:11:54,763
- You also
talked badly about me

361
00:11:54,839 --> 00:11:56,169
to everybody you could,

362
00:11:56,257 --> 00:11:58,627
and I just really felt like

363
00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,640
we’re here for marriage,
and you’re not, so stay home.

364
00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:03,763
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

365
00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:06,270
- Um...

366
00:12:06,392 --> 00:12:07,602
can I chime in for a second?

367
00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:08,887
- Sure, please.
- Okay.

368
00:12:08,978 --> 00:12:11,608
Because a lot of--Lindsey,
what you’re saying isn’t true,

369
00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:14,939
and I’m not sure
where the confusion is

370
00:12:15,026 --> 00:12:15,986
with me and Mark talking,

371
00:12:16,110 --> 00:12:18,110
but Mark is the one
that reached out to me.

372
00:12:18,238 --> 00:12:19,778
And I’m grateful
for that because he

373
00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:21,954
wanted to check on me
and make sure I was okay.

374
00:12:22,033 --> 00:12:23,703
- Mm-hmm.
- And that means a lot to me,

375
00:12:23,785 --> 00:12:27,545
and I never, ever talked badly
about their relationship.

376
00:12:27,622 --> 00:12:30,962
You guys can attest to that.

377
00:12:31,042 --> 00:12:33,632
- I just want to say
I did see the messages

378
00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:36,963
with Mark and Alyssa,
and they weren’t inappropriate.

379
00:12:37,048 --> 00:12:39,048
She texts Olajuwon--
- I text Olajuwon all the time,

380
00:12:39,133 --> 00:12:39,973
we talk on the phone.
- Lindsey texts Olajuwon.

381
00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:42,723
It was the same conversation.
- Yes.

382
00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:43,644
- I text Steve,
it was just regular--

383
00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,973
- We all text,
like, we’re friends.

384
00:12:46,057 --> 00:12:47,217
[chuckles]

385
00:12:47,308 --> 00:12:49,638
- So it was
just passive messages?

386
00:12:49,727 --> 00:12:50,727
Like, "Hey, you’re okay?"
- Well...

387
00:12:50,812 --> 00:12:52,652
- Yeah.
- Sort of.

388
00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:54,650
There was a moment when we
got off the bus to the airport

389
00:12:54,732 --> 00:12:56,402
and I was like, "Alyssa,
I just want to talk to you.

390
00:12:56,484 --> 00:12:58,994
I’m so clumsy, I’m just
gonna blurt it all out."

391
00:12:59,070 --> 00:13:01,660
And I was like, "Everybody I’ve

392
00:13:01,739 --> 00:13:02,819
interacted with has said..."
- [scoffs]

393
00:13:02,907 --> 00:13:04,737
- "That you have been rude,"
and you were like,

394
00:13:04,826 --> 00:13:07,366
"I am literally
the nicest person."

395
00:13:07,495 --> 00:13:08,905
And I was like,
"But you’re not."

396
00:13:08,997 --> 00:13:10,707
I’m constantly hearing
that you’re rude

397
00:13:10,832 --> 00:13:12,502
and belittling them.
- I’ve never been rude

398
00:13:12,583 --> 00:13:13,713
to anyone on--

399
00:13:13,835 --> 00:13:15,845
- I know,
you’re the nicest person.

400
00:13:15,962 --> 00:13:18,342
- [sighs] Lindsey.

401
00:13:18,423 --> 00:13:20,343
Just because we aren’t friends
doesn’t mean

402
00:13:20,466 --> 00:13:22,006
that you have to come
at people like that.

403
00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:24,265
I have been nothing
but respectful of you.

404
00:13:24,345 --> 00:13:27,175
I have not talked bad about
Lindsey to any of the girls.

405
00:13:27,307 --> 00:13:29,177
All I’ve said is, like,
we don’t get along

406
00:13:29,267 --> 00:13:31,517
and the fact that she
makes up stories and lies

407
00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:33,024
is the problem that I have.

408
00:13:33,104 --> 00:13:34,864
- [high-pitched] Mm.

409
00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:37,361
- I own up to everything
I’ve said on the show,

410
00:13:37,442 --> 00:13:38,532
as you’ve seen,
and everything I’ve done,

411
00:13:38,651 --> 00:13:41,531
and I’ve apologized for things
that I’ve done and said,

412
00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:43,744
but I will not
stand up for lies.

413
00:13:43,865 --> 00:13:45,205
I won’t do it.

414
00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:46,783
- I will say

415
00:13:46,868 --> 00:13:48,198
Alyssa does not talk about her.

416
00:13:48,286 --> 00:13:49,536
She doesn’t, like--
- Never.

417
00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:50,700
- Yeah,
she doesn’t talk about you.

418
00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:52,250
- Because she doesn’t care.

419
00:13:52,373 --> 00:13:54,543
She knows, like,
I was friends with Lindsey,

420
00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:56,207
and I don’t like when people

421
00:13:56,294 --> 00:13:59,714
are talking about somebody
that I’m friends with.

422
00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,219
- Lindsey, do you feel like

423
00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:04,391
there is something there,
or is it squashed?

424
00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:06,390
- I know my truth,
and I know that’s not it.

425
00:14:06,471 --> 00:14:09,391
So I’m just gonna leave it
where it is.

426
00:14:09,474 --> 00:14:11,894
I have no love lost.

427
00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:14,896
- Okay, okay.

428
00:14:14,979 --> 00:14:15,979
Jasmina, I also heard

429
00:14:16,064 --> 00:14:17,234
through the grapevine--
- Uh-uh, what you heard?

430
00:14:17,315 --> 00:14:18,575
Oh, my God.
- I’ma tell you right now,

431
00:14:18,649 --> 00:14:19,729
I’ma break it down for you

432
00:14:19,817 --> 00:14:20,727
right now, here we go,

433
00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:21,900
that there had been
some conflict

434
00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:23,736
between you and Lindsey
at the airport

435
00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,623
following a taping
of the Afterparty show.

436
00:14:26,741 --> 00:14:27,661
- Yes, there was.

437
00:14:27,742 --> 00:14:29,242
Noi and I were riding

438
00:14:29,369 --> 00:14:31,409
to the airport with Lindsey,

439
00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:34,247
and we kind of got into it

440
00:14:34,332 --> 00:14:37,422
because she was just talking
about Alyssa,

441
00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:39,092
just saying
all these really nasty things,

442
00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:42,092
and I’m like, "She’s not here.
She’s my friend.

443
00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:43,093
Please don’t talk about her."

444
00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,756
And then she wouldn’t stop,
she was like,

445
00:14:44,842 --> 00:14:45,632
"Of course you’re
gonna be on her side."

446
00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:46,760
I’m like,
"It’s not on her side.

447
00:14:46,844 --> 00:14:50,104
I just don’t like
that mean girl stuff."

448
00:14:50,181 --> 00:14:52,851
And she told me to stop talking
or get out her car.

449
00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:55,104
When we got to the airport,
I sent her a message

450
00:14:55,186 --> 00:14:57,096
and I said,
"That’s very disrespectful.

451
00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:58,940
"Like, that
was really uncalled for.

452
00:14:59,065 --> 00:14:59,865
"And that’s the rudest thing

453
00:14:59,941 --> 00:15:01,111
"that anybody
has ever said to me.

454
00:15:01,192 --> 00:15:02,532
"So moving forward,

455
00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:04,530
I don’t want
your energy around me."

456
00:15:04,612 --> 00:15:05,782
- Did you feel bad after that?

457
00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:08,525
- Yeah, you know, we--I had
to remember, she said to me,

458
00:15:08,616 --> 00:15:09,866
"You know, when Alyssa
talks bad about you, I tell her

459
00:15:09,951 --> 00:15:11,451
I don’t want to hear it, so I
don’t want to hear it either."

460
00:15:11,536 --> 00:15:12,616
- But I don’t ever.

461
00:15:12,703 --> 00:15:13,953
- That’s not what I said.
- Never once.

462
00:15:14,038 --> 00:15:15,658
- ’Cause she was getting loud
and I was like,

463
00:15:15,790 --> 00:15:17,000
"Uh-uh, nuh-uh,

464
00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:19,135
"I’m not waking up at 6:00 a.m.
to have you get loud at me.

465
00:15:19,210 --> 00:15:21,130
"If you want to get loud,
the airport’s right there.

466
00:15:21,212 --> 00:15:22,962
You can get off
and walk up that ramp."

467
00:15:23,047 --> 00:15:25,297
- So Noi was there in the car.
- Mm-hmm.

468
00:15:25,383 --> 00:15:27,473
- And hearing my story
and hearing Lindsey’s story,

469
00:15:27,552 --> 00:15:30,802
whose story would
you say was accurate?

470
00:15:30,888 --> 00:15:33,308
- I don’t remember
Jasmina getting loud,

471
00:15:33,391 --> 00:15:36,141
but she was establishing
a boundary and just saying,

472
00:15:36,227 --> 00:15:37,647
you know, like,
"I’m not comfortable

473
00:15:37,728 --> 00:15:39,648
talking about Alyssa
when she’s not here."

474
00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:41,150
- Mm-mm.

475
00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:42,154
- Thank you
for clarifying that.

476
00:15:42,275 --> 00:15:43,825
- Yeah.
- That I wasn’t being loud

477
00:15:43,901 --> 00:15:45,191
and that’s not what happened.
- But--

478
00:15:45,319 --> 00:15:47,659
Jasmina wasn’t yelling.

479
00:15:47,738 --> 00:15:49,028
- All right,
let me ask you about this.

480
00:15:49,157 --> 00:15:51,327
Lindsey, on Afterparty,
you said Alyssa

481
00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:53,331
was actually told
by her psychic

482
00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,543
that she was meant
to be with a man

483
00:15:55,663 --> 00:15:58,873
with a lion tattoo,
not an eagle tattoo.

484
00:15:59,000 --> 00:15:59,830
- Alyssa was very specific

485
00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:01,669
on the vision of the man
she wanted.

486
00:16:01,794 --> 00:16:04,004
She wanted a man with
a lion tattoo and big muscles.

487
00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:05,710
- Yeah, she said something
about her psychic

488
00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,010
that I guess her soul mate
would have, like,

489
00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,513
an eagle tattoo or something.
- She said it was a lion.

490
00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:11,005
- Where did you hear
this story from?

491
00:16:11,095 --> 00:16:12,345
Because...

492
00:16:12,430 --> 00:16:15,720
- I had heard it
from Chris’s groomsman.

493
00:16:15,850 --> 00:16:18,560
- And the reason she changed it
to an eagle tattoo

494
00:16:18,686 --> 00:16:21,516
is because Steve
has a lion tattoo,

495
00:16:21,606 --> 00:16:24,016
and that upset Noi.

496
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:26,780
- Mm-hmm, that’s what I
had heard from all the boys.

497
00:16:26,861 --> 00:16:28,401
It was already circling
around and I was like,

498
00:16:28,529 --> 00:16:30,529
"Noi, just breathe deep,
it’s cool.

499
00:16:30,615 --> 00:16:31,625
"Don’t stress about it.

500
00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:33,699
I think it’s probably
just a miss--miss thing.

501
00:16:33,826 --> 00:16:36,036
Maybe it was your soul mate
who got that lion tattoo."

502
00:16:36,162 --> 00:16:37,372
<i>[tense music]</i>

503
00:16:37,497 --> 00:16:38,707
- I would like
to comment on that.

504
00:16:38,789 --> 00:16:40,869
- Yeah, sure.
- When I just hear things

505
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,710
that just really aren’t
the truth, it just bothers me.

506
00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:47,375
Lindsey actually messaged
me and Katina on Instagram

507
00:16:47,465 --> 00:16:49,555
and was like, "Check your DMs."

508
00:16:49,634 --> 00:16:52,554
And she was like,
"Oh, it’s a lion tattoo.

509
00:16:52,637 --> 00:16:54,387
Steve has it," dah-dah-dah-dah.

510
00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:57,062
And I think because she
already didn’t like Alyssa,

511
00:16:57,141 --> 00:16:59,061
she just wanted to keep,
like, stirring the pot.

512
00:16:59,143 --> 00:17:00,233
- Mm-hmm.
- And even when we were

513
00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:01,901
on our way to the airport,

514
00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:05,731
Lindsey came in and told Noi,
"Check your Instagram."

515
00:17:05,858 --> 00:17:08,318
And when she said that,
I automatically knew

516
00:17:08,402 --> 00:17:10,242
she was gonna tell Noi
about the tattoo,

517
00:17:10,321 --> 00:17:11,741
and she did it
right in front of Alyssa.

518
00:17:11,822 --> 00:17:13,742
And I just thought
it was just super messy.

519
00:17:13,824 --> 00:17:16,414
But, like, for her to, like,
sit there and, like,

520
00:17:16,494 --> 00:17:18,084
try to play it down when, like,

521
00:17:18,162 --> 00:17:20,252
she’s the one that was
telling all of the girls...

522
00:17:20,331 --> 00:17:21,251
- Yeah.
- It’s like, we didn’t need

523
00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:22,922
to know that,
that wasn’t our business.

524
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,080
- No.
- But she wanted us to know it

525
00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:25,090
to get a reaction out of us

526
00:17:25,211 --> 00:17:28,761
to make it look--
Alyssa look, like, crazy.

527
00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:30,921
- Noi, what do you believe?

528
00:17:31,008 --> 00:17:32,758
- I don’t know what to believe.

529
00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:35,095
I mean,
I think Lindsey really did

530
00:17:35,179 --> 00:17:37,009
get the information
that it was a lion tattoo.

531
00:17:37,098 --> 00:17:38,598
I don’t think that’s a lie.

532
00:17:38,683 --> 00:17:41,103
And I--I do believe
that it was an eagle tattoo.

533
00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:42,935
- Mm-hmm.
- But I think what I was

534
00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:44,770
upset about when it finally
came to me was like,

535
00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:46,437
"Okay, well,
I just met my husband.

536
00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:47,776
"I don’t want someone
thinking that my husband

537
00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:48,780
is their soul mate."
- Is theirs.

538
00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:49,941
- Because I don’t know
what to do.

539
00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:51,109
I’m like,
"Okay, this is upsetting."

540
00:17:51,195 --> 00:17:52,275
- Totally.
- But I wasn’t upset at you.

541
00:17:52,363 --> 00:17:53,863
- I know, I know.
- I wasn’t upset at you.

542
00:17:53,948 --> 00:17:55,778
- So we can solve this
once and for all.

543
00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:57,278
Steve was not meant
to be Alyssa’s husband.

544
00:17:57,368 --> 00:17:58,288
- Correct.
- Uh, no.

545
00:17:58,411 --> 00:17:59,621
- Clearly not.
- Obviously, Steve was meant

546
00:17:59,704 --> 00:18:00,794
to be Noi’s husband.
- Yeah.

547
00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:01,961
- I just want to make sure
that everybody knows,

548
00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:03,621
everybody knows here.
- I mean...

549
00:18:03,749 --> 00:18:05,629
- We have solved the puzzle.
- Yes.

550
00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:06,790
- Steve is supposed
to be with Noi.

551
00:18:06,877 --> 00:18:07,797
- Yes.
- Thank you.

552
00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:09,798
- Okay, I do want to ask
one question.

553
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:10,920
Mark the Shark didn’t work out.

554
00:18:11,007 --> 00:18:13,297
What kind of man would you
recommend for Lindsey?

555
00:18:13,384 --> 00:18:16,804
- I would say someone
who’s adventurous,

556
00:18:16,887 --> 00:18:19,137
patient,
and someone who has money.

557
00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:20,815
[laughs]

558
00:18:20,891 --> 00:18:22,641
- Thank you, girl,
I appreciate that.

559
00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:23,727
- Jasmina?

560
00:18:23,811 --> 00:18:26,231
- Honestly, I agree
with everything she said.

561
00:18:26,314 --> 00:18:28,154
And somebody
that’d make her orgasm

562
00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:29,324
a couple of times, she said.

563
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,650
- I appreciate that too.

564
00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:32,075
[laughter]
- Okay.

565
00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:33,403
We hit uncharted ground.

566
00:18:33,487 --> 00:18:34,737
I didn’t know
we were going there.

567
00:18:34,822 --> 00:18:36,322
Noi?
- [chuckles]

568
00:18:36,407 --> 00:18:38,157
- Yeah, I think Lindsey
needs someone

569
00:18:38,242 --> 00:18:40,662
who’s really strong and stable.

570
00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:43,505
And someone who will love
and accept you

571
00:18:43,581 --> 00:18:44,671
for everything you are.

572
00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:45,960
- Mm-hmm.

573
00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:49,042
- Lindsey, what kind of man
do you think Jasmina needs?

574
00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:51,000
- I think probably
family-focused

575
00:18:51,088 --> 00:18:52,008
might be the most
important thing.

576
00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:55,011
I know Jasmina holds family
at a high point.

577
00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,514
I know you’re
gonna be a good mom.

578
00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:58,216
You really want kids.
- Thank you.

579
00:18:58,346 --> 00:19:01,176
- So I hope the man
that you end up with

580
00:19:01,265 --> 00:19:05,515
is a good father and a patient
man with a kind heart.

581
00:19:05,603 --> 00:19:07,523
- Thank you, Lindsey,
I really appreciate that.

582
00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:09,195
- The two sides of Lindsey
are amazing

583
00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:10,865
because she can be
the sweetest pe--

584
00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:12,033
you can be the sweetest person
in the world.

585
00:19:12,109 --> 00:19:13,029
- Yeah, she can.
- Mm-hmm.

586
00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:14,192
- But boy, you’ll cut a person,
won’t you?

587
00:19:14,278 --> 00:19:15,528
You’d cut ’em.
- If you come for me,

588
00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:17,205
I’m gonna bite back.
- I know you will cut somebody.

589
00:19:17,281 --> 00:19:18,371
Whew!
- [growls]

590
00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:20,241
- Noi, what kind of man
do you think Jasmina needs?

591
00:19:20,368 --> 00:19:22,198
- I think Jasmina
needs somebody

592
00:19:22,328 --> 00:19:23,698
who is really intellectual.

593
00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:26,079
I think Jasmina is very smart
and, you know,

594
00:19:26,207 --> 00:19:28,127
she likes to have
in-depth conversations.

595
00:19:28,209 --> 00:19:30,709
- I think she needs
someone who’s kind

596
00:19:30,795 --> 00:19:33,555
and caring and compassionate,
who wants a family

597
00:19:33,631 --> 00:19:36,051
and someone who’s
gonna take care of her.

598
00:19:36,133 --> 00:19:37,433
- I’m not gonna lie,
we’re really describing Mike

599
00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:38,391
in a lot of ways.

600
00:19:38,469 --> 00:19:40,049
- I know.
- Isn’t that interesting?

601
00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:41,047
Isn’t that interesting?
- But, you know,

602
00:19:41,138 --> 00:19:43,558
not one of y’all said
communication!

603
00:19:43,641 --> 00:19:45,731
[laughter]

604
00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:49,061
- What kind of man
does Alyssa need?

605
00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:50,396
- Oh, God, all right.

606
00:19:50,523 --> 00:19:52,573
- Can I actually answer it?

607
00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:54,612
- Well, you can, but let Katina
do what she gotta do.

608
00:19:54,735 --> 00:19:56,395
- Please, ’cause, like, I’m--
- Hold on, hold on.

609
00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:58,739
- Yours would probably
be more accurate, but...

610
00:19:58,823 --> 00:20:00,453
You know those country, like--

611
00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:02,414
- She needs a cowboy.
- You just gotta be country,

612
00:20:02,493 --> 00:20:04,753
the cowboy type person.

613
00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:05,909
- I was just gonna say
she needs a cowboy.

614
00:20:05,996 --> 00:20:07,246
[laughter]

615
00:20:07,331 --> 00:20:08,921
- All--you got all worked up.
- What does that mean, y’all?

616
00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:10,001
- That’s--that’s why I said
let me go first.

617
00:20:10,084 --> 00:20:11,344
- You got all worked up
to just say cowboy.

618
00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:13,669
- What does that mean?
- And what does that mean?

619
00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:15,344
- Like, the boots and the hat.
- Yes.

620
00:20:15,423 --> 00:20:17,093
- Yes, her aesthetic.
- There’s dudes in Bos--

621
00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:18,336
there’s dudes in Boston
like that.

622
00:20:18,426 --> 00:20:19,546
- Yeah, with the straw--

623
00:20:19,635 --> 00:20:20,755
like the straw in his--
- Like the hay in the mouth.

624
00:20:20,886 --> 00:20:22,596
- And they just go like this.
- With the--

625
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,600
- That’s just what she

626
00:20:23,681 --> 00:20:25,271
always describes.
- He likes to line dance?

627
00:20:25,349 --> 00:20:27,939
- Listen, I love
the country lifestyle.

628
00:20:28,018 --> 00:20:31,268
I ride horses, I shoot guns,
I love to be in the country,

629
00:20:31,355 --> 00:20:32,685
I like to ride four wheelers.

630
00:20:32,773 --> 00:20:34,443
That’s just what I like to do.

631
00:20:34,525 --> 00:20:36,445
And so that’s
what I’m attracted to.

632
00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:38,279
- It really was fun
talking to you ladies,

633
00:20:38,362 --> 00:20:39,612
sitting out here, having a chat

634
00:20:39,697 --> 00:20:40,607
and going back and forth
a little bit.

635
00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:42,120
We’re gonna switch out
those chairs

636
00:20:42,199 --> 00:20:43,409
and bring the men in.

637
00:20:46,996 --> 00:20:48,496
Look, there has been a lot of
drama on the stage tonight,

638
00:20:48,622 --> 00:20:50,672
and things
are just getting started.

639
00:20:50,791 --> 00:20:53,341
Now it is time
to hear from the fellas.

640
00:20:53,461 --> 00:20:54,921
I’d like to welcome
all the husbands

641
00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:56,514
from this past season
in Boston.

642
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:57,970
Gentlemen, how are we doing?

643
00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:58,970
- Great.
- Feeling good.

644
00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,181
- Good.
- Good, okay,

645
00:21:00,301 --> 00:21:01,301
I love to hear that.

646
00:21:01,427 --> 00:21:03,177
Has this become
a real bromance?

647
00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:04,514
- Oh, yeah.
- For sure, for sure.

648
00:21:04,638 --> 00:21:05,508
- Yep.
- Yeah, out the gate.

649
00:21:05,639 --> 00:21:06,519
- Really?
- Easily, yeah.

650
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,680
- Yeah.
- Out the gate, out the gate.

651
00:21:07,808 --> 00:21:08,638
- Mark, I will say this:

652
00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:10,058
you seem like
a different person

653
00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:11,734
when you’re not with Lindsey.

654
00:21:11,812 --> 00:21:13,362
- 100%.
- Yeah?

655
00:21:13,481 --> 00:21:16,191
- Well, with the guys,
it’s just more positivity.

656
00:21:16,317 --> 00:21:17,687
It feels good
to be with the guys.

657
00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:20,528
- Do you guys feel like
you needed

658
00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:22,364
to, in many ways,
stand up and defend

659
00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:25,330
and help Mark stand up
to what he was going through?

660
00:21:25,451 --> 00:21:26,831
- Absolutely.
- Yeah.

661
00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:28,372
- [clears throat]
Again, he was partnered

662
00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:31,036
with somebody--I don’t think
she has bad intentions,

663
00:21:31,165 --> 00:21:32,875
but she don’t take

664
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,880
accountability
for her own actions.

665
00:21:34,001 --> 00:21:35,751
And she’s easy
to point the finger

666
00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:38,876
but never looks at herself
before she makes her judgement.

667
00:21:39,006 --> 00:21:40,876
- She does not hesitate
to talk about your mama

668
00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:42,678
or your grandmother.
- No, mm-mm.

669
00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:44,012
- Does that bother you?

670
00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:48,016
- It bothers me because it’s
irrelevant to our relationship.

671
00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:50,310
- Mm-hmm.
- So when she takes these digs,

672
00:21:50,392 --> 00:21:53,692
I’m like, "You know,
you’re just trying to find ways

673
00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:56,193
to hurt me because
you’re hurt emotionally."

674
00:21:56,315 --> 00:22:00,735
You know, the last time
that we got into a blowout,

675
00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:02,741
she spit on my shirt.

676
00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:04,203
And I thought
that was the worst thing

677
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,373
you can do to a person.

678
00:22:06,492 --> 00:22:09,492
Like, I’ve been bullied
a lot as a kid,

679
00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:13,078
and this was probably
the worst bullying to my face

680
00:22:13,207 --> 00:22:14,577
I’ve--I’ve dealt with.

681
00:22:14,708 --> 00:22:18,588
Like, uh, I shook a lot
of times when we fought.

682
00:22:18,712 --> 00:22:22,172
I got really frightened of her.

683
00:22:22,258 --> 00:22:24,628
But I had the support
of these guys and, you know,

684
00:22:24,718 --> 00:22:27,098
they never said,
"Here we go again."

685
00:22:27,221 --> 00:22:29,471
It was like, "Oh, like,
we’re here for you,"

686
00:22:29,557 --> 00:22:30,767
like, "We’ll get you
through it," so...

687
00:22:30,891 --> 00:22:32,771
- Absolutely.
- Yeah.

688
00:22:32,893 --> 00:22:35,023
- Outside of your marriage,
there was a lot

689
00:22:35,104 --> 00:22:37,774
going on in your life
during this process.

690
00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:40,108
Let’s take a look at it.

691
00:22:40,234 --> 00:22:42,074
<i>- I feel a little embarrassed
</i> <i>because there was, like,</i>

692
00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:44,284
a bedbug situation
in my whole apartment.

693
00:22:44,405 --> 00:22:45,785
<i>It’s kind
of a hot mess up there.</i>

694
00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:47,566
- I’ll hold it, you dump it.
- Okay.

695
00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:48,580
<i>[upbeat music]</i>

696
00:22:48,701 --> 00:22:50,911
- Oh.

697
00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:52,326
What is this?

698
00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:54,623
- Those are "90210" CDs.

699
00:22:54,748 --> 00:22:56,288
- All right,
this is gonna be trash.

700
00:22:56,417 --> 00:22:59,247
- I need to find work,
so I have to kind of see

701
00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:02,588
what’s out there and see
what’s available right now.

702
00:23:02,715 --> 00:23:07,145
- You can work on getting
to know me in this marriage.

703
00:23:07,261 --> 00:23:11,311
- So I think it’s probably
in his best interest, then,

704
00:23:11,432 --> 00:23:14,272
that I say goodbye.

705
00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:17,313
<i>[soft music]</i>

706
00:23:17,438 --> 00:23:19,188
<i>♪ ♪</i>

707
00:23:19,273 --> 00:23:20,613
- You’re a good cat dad.

708
00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:25,703
<i>- ♪ Goodbye,
goodbye, my friend ♪</i>

709
00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:26,989
- [sniffles]

710
00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:28,324
Let’s go.

711
00:23:28,449 --> 00:23:30,529
- Okay.

712
00:23:34,997 --> 00:23:36,667
- All right, first of all,
how’s everything going?

713
00:23:36,790 --> 00:23:38,670
How are you doing now?

714
00:23:38,792 --> 00:23:40,502
- Life’s good now, you know?
- Yeah.

715
00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:41,378
It was a tough moment, though.

716
00:23:41,462 --> 00:23:43,212
There were tough moments.
- Yeah.

717
00:23:43,297 --> 00:23:45,007
It’s tough when, like,
you know,

718
00:23:45,132 --> 00:23:47,342
you go into this
for the reasons of--

719
00:23:47,468 --> 00:23:48,838
of, you know, finding love,

720
00:23:48,969 --> 00:23:51,219
and you know,
Lindsay has good--good,

721
00:23:51,305 --> 00:23:53,855
you know, reasons behind her,
and she has good--

722
00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:56,024
good intentions,
but it’s tough when, you know,

723
00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:57,813
you pair with someone
that you--you fight with.

724
00:23:57,937 --> 00:24:01,307
It triggers a lot,
and the cat passed away,

725
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,030
and I think it’s just hard

726
00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:08,201
to, you know,
put an animal down,

727
00:24:08,322 --> 00:24:09,662
especially on this
type of a platform.

728
00:24:09,782 --> 00:24:11,202
It was--there was a lot
that day,

729
00:24:11,325 --> 00:24:12,495
but--and she was there
to support me.

730
00:24:12,618 --> 00:24:16,368
But, you know, it was--
it was probably

731
00:24:16,497 --> 00:24:17,867
the most emotional thing
I’ve ever been through

732
00:24:17,998 --> 00:24:19,578
in this much time, you know?

733
00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:21,207
- Yeah.
- So...

734
00:24:21,335 --> 00:24:23,595
- Lindsey was there
for a lot of those moments

735
00:24:23,671 --> 00:24:25,171
where you needed her.

736
00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:26,377
Because of that,
do you guys think

737
00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:30,337
he should have--that Mark
should have tried harder?

738
00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:32,099
- She does
a lot of great things.

739
00:24:32,179 --> 00:24:34,009
But when you do all
the other negative things

740
00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:35,849
that we’re talking about,
the condescending,

741
00:24:35,933 --> 00:24:39,523
the--the low blows,
the--the things that just seem

742
00:24:39,645 --> 00:24:41,155
like, "Why are you
trying to attack me?"

743
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:43,230
It doesn’t cancel
each other out

744
00:24:43,357 --> 00:24:44,397
just because you’re doing
good stuff.

745
00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:47,285
- I believe Mark is much
better off without Lindsey.

746
00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:49,571
The things that--that
she did put him through,

747
00:24:49,697 --> 00:24:51,407
nobody should
have to go through.

748
00:24:51,532 --> 00:24:52,742
- Absolutely not.

749
00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:55,576
- I hear you, and look,
it is beautiful that you have

750
00:24:55,703 --> 00:24:58,213
the brotherhood to kind of
at least have people

751
00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:01,370
to go to and talk to
and help you through that time.

752
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:02,540
That’s great.

753
00:25:02,668 --> 00:25:03,748
Let’s move on.

754
00:25:03,877 --> 00:25:05,747
Were y’all surprised
when you heard the things

755
00:25:05,879 --> 00:25:07,919
Alyssa said about Chris?

756
00:25:08,048 --> 00:25:09,298
- So I knew
they had their issues.

757
00:25:09,383 --> 00:25:12,263
I didn’t know
it was to that extent.

758
00:25:12,386 --> 00:25:14,466
When I heard some of the things
she was saying, like,

759
00:25:14,555 --> 00:25:16,065
when she didn’t know
the cameras were rolling,

760
00:25:16,181 --> 00:25:17,311
I was just like, shoot,

761
00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:20,941
I didn’t know that’s how hard
she was going on Chris.

762
00:25:21,061 --> 00:25:22,481
- She kept saying
she was a good person.

763
00:25:22,563 --> 00:25:23,693
- [chuckles]

764
00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:25,272
- I’m not a bad person,

765
00:25:25,399 --> 00:25:27,939
and I’m
a really [bleep] good person.

766
00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:30,608
This is the person
that I’m going to be shown as,

767
00:25:30,738 --> 00:25:31,608
and that’s not okay,

768
00:25:31,739 --> 00:25:34,069
because I’m a really
[bleep] good person.

769
00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:36,449
And I came here
with the right intention.

770
00:25:36,577 --> 00:25:39,957
Like, I’m not a bad person,
and I’m a good person, and...

771
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,460
[sniffles]

772
00:25:41,582 --> 00:25:43,002
<i>It just upsets me
</i> <i>that he tries</i>

773
00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:45,133
<i>to make it look otherwise.</i>

774
00:25:45,252 --> 00:25:46,962
<i>♪ ♪</i>

775
00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:48,457
- Do you think she’s
a good person?

776
00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:50,299
- [chuckles]
That’s a lo--

777
00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:52,304
the most loaded
question of questions.

778
00:25:52,426 --> 00:25:53,506
- Yeah, it’s a loaded question.

779
00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:55,264
- [laughs]
- But it--yeah.

780
00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:57,097
- Uh, I mean,
what do you do when you’re

781
00:25:57,222 --> 00:25:59,602
matched with somebody that you
don’t want to be with, right?

782
00:25:59,725 --> 00:26:00,485
How do you handle that?

783
00:26:00,601 --> 00:26:01,811
That’s a really tough
situation.

784
00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:04,145
I don’t know that,
in that pressure situation,

785
00:26:04,271 --> 00:26:05,651
she handled it the way
that she should have.

786
00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:07,653
- Mm, I hear you.

787
00:26:07,775 --> 00:26:11,075
It--but as you said, it was...

788
00:26:11,153 --> 00:26:11,903
[exhales]
It was a lot

789
00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:13,607
that he went through.
- Yeah.

790
00:26:13,739 --> 00:26:15,119
- Steve,
you had a bit of a bomb

791
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,120
dropped on you
when you found out

792
00:26:17,242 --> 00:26:20,002
that your wife wasn’t planning
on moving in with you

793
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,830
at the end of this process.

794
00:26:21,955 --> 00:26:25,165
All of your plans got just
thrown right out the window.

795
00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:26,462
I mean, that hit you
out of nowhere.

796
00:26:26,543 --> 00:26:30,883
I mean, usually you get married
and you move in together.

797
00:26:30,964 --> 00:26:33,264
How shocked were you?

798
00:26:33,342 --> 00:26:35,012
- So I definitely
didn’t see that coming.

799
00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:37,795
It was just, you know,
in my head, hey,

800
00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:40,350
you go through the process,
you get married.

801
00:26:40,474 --> 00:26:41,854
If on Decision Day you say yes,

802
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:43,805
you move in
and you live your life.

803
00:26:43,936 --> 00:26:48,316
So when she had that different
opinion or different thought,

804
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,480
I was just like, "Whoa, okay,
what’s going on here?"

805
00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:51,397
- Yeah.
- You know, and I really

806
00:26:51,485 --> 00:26:53,075
had to weigh that out.

807
00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:55,573
I understand it,
and as you know,

808
00:26:55,656 --> 00:26:57,866
one of my challenges
is she holds back

809
00:26:57,991 --> 00:27:00,871
so much of what she feels
and what’s going on internally.

810
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:04,004
But I still need
a level of certainty

811
00:27:04,123 --> 00:27:06,963
that you are committed to this,
you are serious about this.

812
00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:09,752
If you can give me that, then
you can live wherever you want.

813
00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:11,047
- But is that
the kind of thing, guys,

814
00:27:11,171 --> 00:27:14,551
you think that should have
come up before you got married,

815
00:27:14,675 --> 00:27:17,475
or at least early on
in the process,

816
00:27:17,553 --> 00:27:18,723
not at the end?

817
00:27:18,846 --> 00:27:20,096
- You’ve got to respect
her decision,

818
00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:21,680
but as time goes on,

819
00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:23,057
you want
to see growth together.

820
00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:24,063
- Yeah.
- Right.

821
00:27:24,184 --> 00:27:26,064
Olajuwon,
let’s talk about you right now

822
00:27:26,186 --> 00:27:28,016
because you made
quite a stir this season.

823
00:27:28,147 --> 00:27:29,607
- Yeah.
- Talking about your wife

824
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:33,740
and your idea of what a wife
should do and be.

825
00:27:33,861 --> 00:27:34,741
Right?
- [groans]

826
00:27:34,862 --> 00:27:36,032
Yeah.

827
00:27:36,155 --> 00:27:37,745
- [laughter]
- Well, why’re you

828
00:27:37,865 --> 00:27:38,745
giving me that?
- Yeah.

829
00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:39,946
- Here we go again.

830
00:27:40,033 --> 00:27:43,203
- I do want to know
what you guys think about that,

831
00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:45,288
with the fact that his wife
should have

832
00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:48,752
a hot meal
on the table every night...

833
00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:50,206
- Just waiting for you.
- And she should be cooking

834
00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:51,245
and cleaning in the house?

835
00:27:51,378 --> 00:27:53,708
- It’s not my marriage.
[laughter]

836
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:55,509
- I--I think that Olajuwon

837
00:27:55,591 --> 00:27:57,551
has learned a lot
through this process.

838
00:27:57,676 --> 00:27:58,636
- Yeah, for real.
- I do, I do.

839
00:27:58,719 --> 00:28:00,469
I think--I think--
- No one has learned more!

840
00:28:00,554 --> 00:28:02,104
- No, 100%, 100%.
- [laughs]

841
00:28:02,222 --> 00:28:04,432
- I think he came into this,
you know,

842
00:28:04,558 --> 00:28:07,098
we all have some type
of level of expectation.

843
00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:09,267
We have to kind of,
you know, bring those down

844
00:28:09,396 --> 00:28:10,766
because we don’t know
what to expect.

845
00:28:10,898 --> 00:28:12,818
But Olajuwon
had these certain things

846
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,780
and we all have deal-breakers
and we have things that we

847
00:28:14,902 --> 00:28:15,822
realize that
aren’t deal-breakers.

848
00:28:15,903 --> 00:28:16,993
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.

849
00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:18,740
- And, you know, now it’s like,

850
00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:21,574
"Hey, I’m actually
getting what I want."

851
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,450
And, you know,
it seems to be finding a way

852
00:28:23,577 --> 00:28:24,447
that it makes it work
for both of you.

853
00:28:24,578 --> 00:28:25,288
- Right.

854
00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:26,292
- I talk to O all the time,

855
00:28:26,413 --> 00:28:27,503
so the time that she cooks,

856
00:28:27,581 --> 00:28:29,251
he calls me like,
"Oh, my wife put it down.

857
00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:30,794
My wife put it down, Mike!"
- [laughter]

858
00:28:30,918 --> 00:28:32,128
- "My wife put it down, Mike!"

859
00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:35,342
- And one other thing is he
had an expectation of cooking.

860
00:28:35,422 --> 00:28:36,462
He didn’t say what.

861
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:37,800
Now, all of a sudden,
he’s like, "She’s making

862
00:28:37,925 --> 00:28:39,135
gourmet meals and stuff
I’ve never had before."

863
00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:40,299
- She’s making shrimp--
she makes--

864
00:28:40,427 --> 00:28:41,387
boiling shrimp and lobster,
wasn’t it?

865
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:42,640
- There
was a lobster tail that--

866
00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:43,763
- She turned him on
to lobster tail.

867
00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:44,929
- Lobs--yep!
- She turned him on

868
00:28:45,057 --> 00:28:46,307
and he had no idea.
- He sent me pictures

869
00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:47,983
all happy.
- Yeah.

870
00:28:48,101 --> 00:28:50,651
- Let’s talk about
Michael and Jasmina.

871
00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:52,441
Do you think that there
was anything

872
00:28:52,564 --> 00:28:54,154
that Michael could have
done differently?

873
00:28:54,274 --> 00:28:56,034
I said you should have
romanced her

874
00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,149
a little more, you know.

875
00:28:58,278 --> 00:28:59,818
But do you guys think
there’s anything

876
00:28:59,947 --> 00:29:01,607
that he could have done
differently?

877
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:03,370
- I want to hear this, guys,
I need this.

878
00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:05,490
- I think with Mike,
I think the one thing I wish

879
00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:08,039
is that he could have
just been more relaxed

880
00:29:08,121 --> 00:29:10,461
and not overthought things.

881
00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:13,502
I know Mike cared a lot
about doing the right thing

882
00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:15,667
in the right moment,
which is--which is huge

883
00:29:15,796 --> 00:29:17,506
because not many people do
that, they’re just impulsive.

884
00:29:17,631 --> 00:29:19,341
And I Mike cared
so much about it

885
00:29:19,466 --> 00:29:21,676
that it caused a little
overthinking.

886
00:29:21,802 --> 00:29:23,972
And I think with Mike,
I just hope that

887
00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:26,136
next situation,
try to relax a little bit,

888
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:28,185
because you have
so many qualities

889
00:29:28,308 --> 00:29:31,138
that any woman in America
would love.

890
00:29:31,270 --> 00:29:32,650
- Listen, guys,
this has been so much fun

891
00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:34,981
and there is still
a lot more ahead

892
00:29:35,065 --> 00:29:38,035
when we get everybody back on
the stage a little bit later.

893
00:29:38,151 --> 00:29:39,191
And what do you guys think?

894
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,199
Is there gonna be some drama
when everybody gets--

895
00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:43,201
- Drama? With us? No.
- No, not at all.

896
00:29:43,323 --> 00:29:44,203
- Not with this group.
- Everybody gets along,

897
00:29:44,324 --> 00:29:45,624
everybody loves everybody.
- [chuckles]

898
00:29:45,701 --> 00:29:46,621
- They said it, not me.

899
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:51,660
It is now time to talk
to the three people

900
00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:53,170
responsible for these matches,

901
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:55,840
and we get a chance
to pick their brains

902
00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:58,171
on how they think
it all turned out.

903
00:29:58,255 --> 00:29:59,595
All right,
let’s welcome the experts:

904
00:29:59,673 --> 00:30:03,223
Dr. Pepper, Pastor Cal,
and Dr. Viviana.

905
00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:05,183
Oh, so glad to see y’all.
- Good to see you.

906
00:30:05,262 --> 00:30:06,352
- Good to see you.
- You too.

907
00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:07,850
- Hey, Kevin.
- Great.

908
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:09,183
- Okay.

909
00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:10,678
- Well, this is my
favorite segment,

910
00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:13,017
because now let’s--
let’s talk about these folks

911
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:14,905
and what we saw this season.

912
00:30:15,022 --> 00:30:16,362
Let me ask you
right off the bat,

913
00:30:16,481 --> 00:30:18,691
what surprised you most
about this season?

914
00:30:18,775 --> 00:30:19,525
Dr. Pepper?

915
00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:21,689
- I didn’t expect
Lindsey and Mark

916
00:30:21,778 --> 00:30:23,358
<i>to be that combustible.</i>

917
00:30:23,447 --> 00:30:25,367
<i>I really was surprised.</i>

918
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:26,530
Really.

919
00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:27,908
- It continues.

920
00:30:28,035 --> 00:30:30,705
Pastor Cal?
- [laughs]

921
00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:32,367
- Oh, gosh,
the biggest surprise

922
00:30:32,456 --> 00:30:34,206
was probably Alyssa and Chris.

923
00:30:34,291 --> 00:30:35,211
<i>- Mm-hmm, yeah.</i>

924
00:30:35,292 --> 00:30:37,042
<i>- Oh, yeah, sorry.
</i> <i>- Yeah, yeah.</i>

925
00:30:37,127 --> 00:30:38,377
- Let me go back there.
- We’re going way back.

926
00:30:38,462 --> 00:30:39,382
- Yeah.
- Forgot about that.

927
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:40,594
- I third--I third that one.

928
00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:42,054
- Yeah, okay, that’s right.
- Yeah, we expected more.

929
00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:44,384
We expected--look, any time
we put people together,

930
00:30:44,468 --> 00:30:47,718
we expect them
to come here and try.

931
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:48,806
- Yeah.
- Right.

932
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:51,099
- You know, give it
your absolute best effort

933
00:30:51,224 --> 00:30:52,394
because you’re here
because you want to be married.

934
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:53,887
- She never tried.

935
00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:55,557
- And personally,
I thought Chris

936
00:30:55,645 --> 00:30:57,555
was just a fabulous guy.

937
00:30:57,647 --> 00:30:58,397
- Yeah.
- I spent a lot of time

938
00:30:58,523 --> 00:30:59,573
picking him out, I thought--

939
00:30:59,649 --> 00:31:00,399
I thought he was just

940
00:31:00,484 --> 00:31:02,244
a wonderful gift to somebody.

941
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,819
And so I was shocked
that she didn’t see anything.

942
00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:05,745
- He was exactly
who we thought--

943
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:06,954
who we thought he was, yeah.
- He was.

944
00:31:07,074 --> 00:31:07,914
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

945
00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:09,583
Did you anticipate
on Decision Day

946
00:31:09,659 --> 00:31:12,749
that all four couples
would say yes?

947
00:31:12,829 --> 00:31:13,749
No way, right?
- No.

948
00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:14,912
- Right?
- No.

949
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,920
- We were hoping.

950
00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:17,249
- So I always start off

951
00:31:17,334 --> 00:31:19,254
every season very hopeful.

952
00:31:19,378 --> 00:31:22,458
And this one,
it exceeded my expectations.

953
00:31:22,589 --> 00:31:23,669
- Mm-hmm.
- I was like, all right,

954
00:31:23,757 --> 00:31:26,087
the one time I go a little low,
they went high.

955
00:31:26,176 --> 00:31:27,426
- They went high, and I--

956
00:31:27,511 --> 00:31:28,761
I thought it was
a magical moment.

957
00:31:28,845 --> 00:31:30,595
Do it--did it feel like magic?

958
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,270
Like, all of a sudden,
this thing really

959
00:31:32,349 --> 00:31:33,769
does work all the time?

960
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:35,770
- Well, it’s not that magical.

961
00:31:35,852 --> 00:31:36,772
[laughter]
- Right.

962
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:37,975
Well, we know it wasn’t--
- I mean, it was--

963
00:31:38,105 --> 00:31:39,025
- In the end.
- Yeah.

964
00:31:39,106 --> 00:31:40,266
- Okay, we know
it wasn’t in the end.

965
00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:42,437
- But I--no, we truly believe

966
00:31:42,526 --> 00:31:44,606
that we can create
lifetime marriages.

967
00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:45,776
We do.
- Yeah.

968
00:31:45,862 --> 00:31:48,282
- But we also know there’s
so much we can’t know.

969
00:31:48,407 --> 00:31:50,117
- Right.
- So the fact that

970
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,780
the four couples
who went the distance

971
00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:54,788
said yes was incredibly
satisfying to all of us.

972
00:31:54,871 --> 00:31:57,331
- After Decision Day,

973
00:31:57,457 --> 00:31:58,957
were you frustrated
to hear that

974
00:31:59,042 --> 00:32:00,632
some of the couples split up?

975
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:02,630
- [groans]
- Or was--did you expect that?

976
00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:04,802
- I didn’t expect
any of them to split up.

977
00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:06,221
I mean,
we knew that there were issues,

978
00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:07,679
we knew there were challenges,

979
00:32:07,801 --> 00:32:09,971
but, you know,
we weren’t--we were hoping.

980
00:32:10,053 --> 00:32:11,643
- You thought Mark and Lindsey
were gonna make it.

981
00:32:11,721 --> 00:32:12,811
- [laughs]
- I did!

982
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:16,139
- She was always a champion
for Mark and Lindsey.

983
00:32:16,226 --> 00:32:16,976
- Yeah, we’re gonna give you
that one.

984
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:18,140
- I’m gonna give you that one.

985
00:32:18,228 --> 00:32:19,648
- What I thought,

986
00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:20,559
and what
I was really hoping for,

987
00:32:20,647 --> 00:32:22,977
was that
after the cameras were gone,

988
00:32:23,066 --> 00:32:26,146
that they would find their--
a more mellow place.

989
00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:28,488
- You thought that
Lindsey would calm down

990
00:32:28,572 --> 00:32:29,702
after the cameras left.

991
00:32:29,823 --> 00:32:31,993
- I thought that
they would settle

992
00:32:32,075 --> 00:32:35,535
into something that was
more viable and healthy.

993
00:32:35,662 --> 00:32:36,832
- Let’s move on.

994
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,495
Let’s talk
about a success story,

995
00:32:38,582 --> 00:32:40,002
something that made us happy.

996
00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:42,003
- Thank you.
- And brought joy to everyone.

997
00:32:42,085 --> 00:32:44,495
Katina and Olajuwon.

998
00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:47,669
- To our anniversary.
- To our anniversary.

999
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:49,339
- This is amazing.

1000
00:32:49,426 --> 00:32:51,336
- [laughs]

1001
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:53,350
- You know, you all
were blunt with Olajuwon,

1002
00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:55,852
that he needed to talk
to his wife

1003
00:32:55,932 --> 00:32:57,352
in a respectful manner

1004
00:32:57,476 --> 00:32:59,516
and treat her
in a respectful way.

1005
00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,694
Let’s take a look.

1006
00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:04,191
- I have, like, a level
from my wife and I expect,

1007
00:33:04,274 --> 00:33:05,404
like, hey, you know, you cook.

1008
00:33:05,525 --> 00:33:06,685
Like, we talked about it.

1009
00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:09,198
- And I don’t want people
to look at Olajuwon and say,

1010
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,029
"Olajuwon is a Neanderthal,
Olajuwon wants a woman

1011
00:33:12,115 --> 00:33:14,695
to stay pregnant, barefoot,
and in the kitchen."

1012
00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:16,536
- There’s a lot of demeaning
things that are being said

1013
00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:21,120
to Katina and a lot of feelings
that we’re--you’re demanding,

1014
00:33:21,208 --> 00:33:24,538
you know, service from her
as opposed to a partnership.

1015
00:33:24,628 --> 00:33:25,798
- Anybody
wants to say something,

1016
00:33:25,879 --> 00:33:28,049
they could say it to me because
I don’t play those games.

1017
00:33:28,131 --> 00:33:29,801
If she feels that I
treat her that way,

1018
00:33:29,883 --> 00:33:32,723
then she should say no
on Decision Day.

1019
00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:36,807
- Let me say this,
first of all.

1020
00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:39,390
Olajuwon sat out here,

1021
00:33:39,476 --> 00:33:42,396
and he was like,
"I look crazy."

1022
00:33:42,479 --> 00:33:43,899
- Oh, good.
- Yes!

1023
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:45,770
- And it was so beautiful--
- Yeah.

1024
00:33:45,899 --> 00:33:46,899
- And special.
- Yes.

1025
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:49,065
- And he talked about
how much he’s learned

1026
00:33:49,152 --> 00:33:53,742
and grown and how this has been
a great experience for him.

1027
00:33:53,823 --> 00:33:55,413
So I do want to say that.

1028
00:33:55,534 --> 00:33:56,584
- Yay, O!

1029
00:33:56,701 --> 00:34:00,161
- And I also--Katina, girl.

1030
00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:00,997
- Nobody--

1031
00:34:01,081 --> 00:34:02,961
- So patient.
- So patient.

1032
00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:03,963
Can I just say something?

1033
00:34:04,084 --> 00:34:05,084
You hit a home run there.

1034
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:06,170
- Whoo-hoo!
- That was--

1035
00:34:06,253 --> 00:34:08,423
it is so perfect,
even though in the beginning

1036
00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:11,925
I was like, "There’s no
way this works, they’re crazy!"

1037
00:34:12,008 --> 00:34:13,588
You were on the money.

1038
00:34:13,677 --> 00:34:14,507
- Yep.

1039
00:34:14,594 --> 00:34:17,014
- Olajuwon and Katina,
congratulations.

1040
00:34:17,097 --> 00:34:18,257
- Yeah.
- It’s beautiful.

1041
00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:19,520
This is beautiful.

1042
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,099
Now to Steve and Noi.

1043
00:34:21,184 --> 00:34:23,694
How proud are you
of this couple?

1044
00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:24,940
Dr. Viviana?

1045
00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:26,271
- He shocked me.

1046
00:34:26,356 --> 00:34:27,856
- What a cute idea.

1047
00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:29,111
- Here we go.
- Oh, my God,

1048
00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:31,944
we’re going out into the water
now with a ton of sushi.

1049
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,110
I love my life.

1050
00:34:33,196 --> 00:34:35,276
[laughter]

1051
00:34:35,365 --> 00:34:37,285
- He came out of the gate

1052
00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:40,617
with so much insight,
thoughtfulness.

1053
00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:43,615
I mean, the guy could be
a therapist on the side.

1054
00:34:43,707 --> 00:34:44,667
- Mm-hmm.
- Absolutely.

1055
00:34:44,791 --> 00:34:46,711
- He could definitely
help people in that way.

1056
00:34:46,793 --> 00:34:50,303
He’s got such a calm demeanor,

1057
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:51,302
but he’s so thoughtful,

1058
00:34:51,381 --> 00:34:53,671
and he uses it for good
in his marriage.

1059
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,300
So I think that made
all the difference.

1060
00:34:56,386 --> 00:34:57,546
- Mm-hmm.
- He’s analytical,

1061
00:34:57,637 --> 00:35:01,637
but he uses it in the right way
and at the right tone.

1062
00:35:01,725 --> 00:35:03,815
- They’re not living together.

1063
00:35:03,893 --> 00:35:05,983
What do you think about that?

1064
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:08,820
- Well, you know,
I’m always in a--

1065
00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:09,978
- Let’s--let’s just stop
for a second.

1066
00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:12,148
This was the revelation
of the season for me, y’all.

1067
00:35:12,277 --> 00:35:13,987
- [laughs]
- I didn’t know.

1068
00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:14,990
- And let me just say,

1069
00:35:15,071 --> 00:35:17,871
just so I’m not
a hypocrite to myself.

1070
00:35:17,991 --> 00:35:19,741
Just so you know--
- Do you live separately?

1071
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,326
- I live separately.
- [gasps]

1072
00:35:21,411 --> 00:35:23,161
Oh, my God!
- Dun dun dun!

1073
00:35:23,246 --> 00:35:24,656
- Dun dun dun!

1074
00:35:24,748 --> 00:35:26,748
- Wow!
- [laughs]

1075
00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,213
- Well, I didn’t know it was
a bombshell, but, you know--

1076
00:35:29,336 --> 00:35:30,336
- Bombshell!
- [laughs]

1077
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:32,000
- Boom, head exploded!

1078
00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:33,668
Dr. Pepper,
I was watching the TV, like,

1079
00:35:33,798 --> 00:35:35,338
I was like, "Wha?"

1080
00:35:35,425 --> 00:35:37,765
- Well, okay, big difference.

1081
00:35:37,844 --> 00:35:38,514
- Talk to me.
- You know,

1082
00:35:38,637 --> 00:35:39,677
we’re a lot older than them.

1083
00:35:39,804 --> 00:35:41,564
- Yes, yes.
- We have had our kids

1084
00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:43,021
with previous partners.

1085
00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:44,349
- Yeah.
- We didn’t have to

1086
00:35:44,434 --> 00:35:46,194
form that kind of union.

1087
00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:48,191
- Right.
- We’ve been living in homes

1088
00:35:48,271 --> 00:35:49,861
that we loved,

1089
00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:51,939
and so we thought,
"Well, why does anybody

1090
00:35:52,025 --> 00:35:52,695
"have to give one up?

1091
00:35:52,817 --> 00:35:54,187
We’ll just go back and forth."

1092
00:35:54,277 --> 00:35:55,357
- Right.
- And in our marriage,

1093
00:35:55,445 --> 00:35:56,365
it really works.

1094
00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:58,198
16 years together,

1095
00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:00,373
and I’m still, like, excited
when I see him.

1096
00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:02,700
So it can’t be bad, right?
- Right.

1097
00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:05,197
- That doesn’t mean that’s
a good answer for everyone.

1098
00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:06,958
And when you’re just
learning each other

1099
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,540
and building
your emotional community,

1100
00:36:09,626 --> 00:36:12,546
I think that it’s dangerous
not to spend

1101
00:36:12,629 --> 00:36:16,219
all your--your
available time together.

1102
00:36:16,299 --> 00:36:20,089
I think that this must be
the way that Noi needs to do it

1103
00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:23,560
to get the trust and security
she needs, so be it.

1104
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,730
You know, it wouldn’t
be my first recommendation,

1105
00:36:25,809 --> 00:36:27,729
but on the other hand,
I really believe

1106
00:36:27,852 --> 00:36:29,652
people should
do things their way.

1107
00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:31,059
- I’m not a big fan of the fact

1108
00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:32,057
that they’re
not living together

1109
00:36:32,148 --> 00:36:34,398
for the reasons
that they’ve shared.

1110
00:36:34,484 --> 00:36:37,244
This is not like
a Carrie and Big sort of thing.

1111
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,740
They--I think that--
- [chuckles]

1112
00:36:38,822 --> 00:36:40,412
- Hope not.

1113
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:42,240
- Wow.
- I think that unfortunately,

1114
00:36:42,325 --> 00:36:43,575
with this situation,

1115
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:47,620
I feel like a new marriage
needs more time.

1116
00:36:47,747 --> 00:36:48,747
- It does.
- I think that they

1117
00:36:48,832 --> 00:36:50,252
need the opportunity.

1118
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:53,593
And how is he not gonna
get insecure about this?

1119
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:56,090
What are they going to do
to make sure--it just adds

1120
00:36:56,172 --> 00:36:59,262
a lot of layers and pressure
and more communication

1121
00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:00,592
that I think this new marriage

1122
00:37:00,677 --> 00:37:02,087
doesn’t need to have.
- Yeah.

1123
00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:05,428
- I do know that she
absolutely adores Steve.

1124
00:37:05,557 --> 00:37:06,767
- Yeah.
- I believe that.

1125
00:37:06,850 --> 00:37:07,770
I mean,
just from the conversations

1126
00:37:07,851 --> 00:37:09,771
I’ve had with her
that she really does.

1127
00:37:09,853 --> 00:37:11,943
She has to--to get over some
fears and some apprehensions.

1128
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:13,233
But I think they’re
gonna be good.

1129
00:37:13,314 --> 00:37:15,944
- I think that now Sriracha’s
all in, everything’s good.

1130
00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:16,935
- Yes.
- Approval.

1131
00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:18,778
- Sriracha was the key.
- The key.

1132
00:37:18,862 --> 00:37:20,782
- What do you think
of their marriage?

1133
00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:21,784
- I think it’s cute.

1134
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:22,946
- [giggles]
- What does that mean?

1135
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:24,954
- It’s cute.
- What does that mean?

1136
00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:26,446
Are you happy
for your sister now?

1137
00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:27,946
- Yes, I’m very happy.

1138
00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:29,287
- Yeah?
- Yeah.

1139
00:37:29,372 --> 00:37:30,712
- I think they’re
a lovely couple,

1140
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:33,130
and I’m so happy
that they’re together.

1141
00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:38,135
I’m Kevin Frazier,
and I’m here with

1142
00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:39,974
Dr. Pepper, Pastor Cal,
and Dr. Viviana.

1143
00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:41,549
Since Decision Day,

1144
00:37:41,634 --> 00:37:43,554
Jasmina and Michael
came to the conclusion

1145
00:37:43,636 --> 00:37:45,966
that they are better off
without each other.

1146
00:37:46,055 --> 00:37:47,765
We wanted to give the experts

1147
00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:49,269
one more chance
to speak with them

1148
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,140
to see where things
took a left turn

1149
00:37:52,228 --> 00:37:54,938
and if there is any hope
of getting these two

1150
00:37:55,023 --> 00:37:56,403
back on track.

1151
00:37:56,483 --> 00:37:59,073
Jasmina and Michael,
come on out and join us.

1152
00:37:59,152 --> 00:38:00,442
- Hello!
- Hello, hello.

1153
00:38:00,528 --> 00:38:01,608
- Hi, there.

1154
00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:02,446
- Hey, y’all.

1155
00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:04,320
- Great dress.
- Thank you.

1156
00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:05,777
- Didn’t realize
how much I missed you guys.

1157
00:38:05,867 --> 00:38:06,987
- Yeah, man.

1158
00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:08,196
- All right, here we go.

1159
00:38:08,328 --> 00:38:10,448
I’m just gonna turn it over
to the experts, okay?

1160
00:38:10,538 --> 00:38:11,998
- I’m shocked.

1161
00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,291
I’m sad.

1162
00:38:13,374 --> 00:38:14,924
I thought for sure

1163
00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:16,171
the cameras would be gone,

1164
00:38:16,252 --> 00:38:19,302
and the two of you would be
like, "Okay, now it’s on."

1165
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:20,800
- Yes.
- In a perfect world, yeah.

1166
00:38:20,882 --> 00:38:22,302
- So what happened?

1167
00:38:22,383 --> 00:38:24,143
- We were in a good place
when we both

1168
00:38:24,219 --> 00:38:27,559
said yes on Decision Day.

1169
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,310
Afterwards, he called me,

1170
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:32,810
but that came after
we had this huge blowout.

1171
00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:34,194
- Okay.
- You know, it wasn’t like

1172
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:35,982
he just randomly
called me up to say,

1173
00:38:36,064 --> 00:38:36,984
"Hey, let’s get a divorce."

1174
00:38:37,065 --> 00:38:38,825
It came after we had, like,

1175
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:40,690
a nasty conversation
with each other.

1176
00:38:40,777 --> 00:38:41,687
- Like what?

1177
00:38:41,778 --> 00:38:42,988
Because that would
have been probably one

1178
00:38:43,071 --> 00:38:46,161
of the first nasty ones
from what we’ve seen.

1179
00:38:46,241 --> 00:38:48,491
- Long story short, I wasn’t
at work for, like, two days.

1180
00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:50,236
"I have a training day coming
up and I left the work laptop.

1181
00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:51,080
Can I use your laptop?"

1182
00:38:51,204 --> 00:38:52,874
And he said yes.
<i>[tense music]</i>

1183
00:38:52,956 --> 00:38:53,956
And then I had asked him

1184
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,170
the day that I was supposed
to use the laptop

1185
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:56,670
like, "Hey, are you
still bringing it?"

1186
00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:58,501
And he was like, "Well,
you never said you needed it."

1187
00:38:58,586 --> 00:38:59,706
And I said, "Yes, I did."

1188
00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:03,008
It just put a bad taste
in my mouth because I’m like,

1189
00:39:03,091 --> 00:39:05,011
like, we talked about
something, but he’s like,

1190
00:39:05,093 --> 00:39:05,843
"I didn’t say that."

1191
00:39:05,927 --> 00:39:07,847
So that is what frustrated me

1192
00:39:07,929 --> 00:39:11,639
and ultimately made him
want to ask

1193
00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:13,604
for the divorce
right after that.

1194
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:15,686
- So that can’t be what led--
- So--so--

1195
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:17,690
- To y’all asking
for a divorce.

1196
00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:19,732
I mean, we’re talking
about miscommunications

1197
00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:22,188
that can happen all the time.
- And he--he says that

1198
00:39:22,277 --> 00:39:24,237
I didn’t put forth an effort,

1199
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,700
but I hit up Mike every day
to have a conversation.

1200
00:39:28,783 --> 00:39:30,373
Not once did he text me.

1201
00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:31,911
Not once did he call me.

1202
00:39:31,995 --> 00:39:33,875
He just came over
to my house one time.

1203
00:39:33,955 --> 00:39:36,085
I don’t know if he,
like, expected as soon as,

1204
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:38,207
like, Decision Day,
like, every single day,

1205
00:39:38,293 --> 00:39:40,423
we were supposed to go out
and, like, be doing something.

1206
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:42,965
But, like, things just kept,
like, coming up.

1207
00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:46,049
And he throws, in the one time
he came to my house,

1208
00:39:46,134 --> 00:39:48,094
in my face as, like, he tried.

1209
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:50,049
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1210
00:39:50,138 --> 00:39:52,058
- Can I just respond to some
of the things that she said?

1211
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:53,060
- Sure.
- Sure, please.

1212
00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:55,351
- So the laptop thing,
I’ma be honest,

1213
00:39:55,435 --> 00:39:57,275
I thought
it was a ridiculous thing

1214
00:39:57,353 --> 00:40:01,733
to even go that far
personally, okay?

1215
00:40:01,816 --> 00:40:03,066
So that wasn’t gonna
be the reason why

1216
00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:04,191
I was gonna end it.

1217
00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:07,447
I was calling you and I
told you, "You know what?

1218
00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:08,910
I’m not
getting anything from you."

1219
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:11,080
- You cannot say that
I did not try

1220
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,199
because you tried to throw in
the fact that

1221
00:40:13,286 --> 00:40:14,576
I wasn’t calling you
and I said,

1222
00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:16,412
"Mike, you know
that I have receipts."

1223
00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:18,617
If you even look
in our conversations,

1224
00:40:18,708 --> 00:40:21,248
you see that I am the one
that reached out to you

1225
00:40:21,336 --> 00:40:24,836
every single day since and you
have not made that effort.

1226
00:40:24,964 --> 00:40:27,094
So my question to you is,
do you think that

1227
00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:28,935
you did everything--
- 100%.

1228
00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:30,260
100%.
- To--so you just asked--

1229
00:40:30,345 --> 00:40:31,935
you just asked to come over
one time

1230
00:40:32,013 --> 00:40:33,103
and you didn’t hit me up

1231
00:40:33,181 --> 00:40:34,311
- So--so--this is--
- After--I’m not done talking.

1232
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:35,982
- I’m so sorry, but--
- You never not once

1233
00:40:36,059 --> 00:40:37,809
picked up the phone to text me,

1234
00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:39,266
say "Good morning,
how’s your day?

1235
00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:40,274
Call me at night."

1236
00:40:40,355 --> 00:40:41,275
You never did that.

1237
00:40:41,356 --> 00:40:44,436
So why is it that
you can sit here and say

1238
00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:46,985
that I didn’t put forth an
effort when I did that for you?

1239
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:49,491
Even with my
personal stuff going on?

1240
00:40:49,614 --> 00:40:51,284
All you did was just
come and sit on my couch.

1241
00:40:51,366 --> 00:40:52,276
- Okay.
- That’s it.

1242
00:40:52,367 --> 00:40:54,447
- All I did, okay.

1243
00:40:54,535 --> 00:40:55,535
- Let me interject.

1244
00:40:55,662 --> 00:40:57,502
I think that what I’m
seeing here and I think

1245
00:40:57,580 --> 00:41:01,290
what we all are seeing
is two people who probably

1246
00:41:01,376 --> 00:41:04,296
still had some life left
in their marriage.

1247
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:07,669
However, you both had needs

1248
00:41:07,799 --> 00:41:12,009
that were not being realized,
and you both felt that you were

1249
00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:15,306
doing things to meet
the other person’s needs.

1250
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:17,980
- Yes.
- So what was missing there

1251
00:41:18,059 --> 00:41:20,139
was open and honest
communication about

1252
00:41:20,228 --> 00:41:22,518
what was happening
and listening to each other.

1253
00:41:22,647 --> 00:41:25,317
- Yeah, your
perception-meter is off.

1254
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,650
- Yeah.
- You know?

1255
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:27,654
It got derailed,
not because you

1256
00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:30,315
didn’t care,
but because neither of you

1257
00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:32,495
could see
the way each of you cared.

1258
00:41:32,573 --> 00:41:35,333
And there still seems
to be feeling here, I mean,

1259
00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:38,000
we’ve always felt there
was a feeling in this couple.

1260
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,999
- But what I think
what we’re saying is, sure,

1261
00:41:41,082 --> 00:41:45,002
the romantic piece
is still fluttering about.

1262
00:41:45,086 --> 00:41:46,996
But both of you
are trying to prove

1263
00:41:47,088 --> 00:41:48,508
that you liked each other

1264
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:50,839
and wanted to be
in each other’s lives.

1265
00:41:50,925 --> 00:41:52,545
That’s a lot.

1266
00:41:54,595 --> 00:41:56,675
- Everything that you
guys have experienced now,

1267
00:41:56,764 --> 00:41:58,394
I don’t think it’s abnormal,

1268
00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:00,524
but I think that you’re
treating it

1269
00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:02,391
as though it’s fatal.
- Yes.

1270
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:04,688
- When in essence,
it never was fatal.

1271
00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:07,362
And you’re kind of
treating your relationship

1272
00:42:07,442 --> 00:42:10,032
like a dating relationship.

1273
00:42:10,111 --> 00:42:12,201
Most marriages, when they
go through these things--

1274
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,030
and as I’m listening, and I’m
sure--you’re all married.

1275
00:42:15,116 --> 00:42:16,866
Everybody.
- Whoo, yeah.

1276
00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:18,371
- We go through stuff, man.

1277
00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:20,543
- Stuff?
- We misunderstand.

1278
00:42:20,621 --> 00:42:22,411
"Well, I said that,"
"No, you didn’t--"

1279
00:42:22,498 --> 00:42:25,208
oh, we go through that stuff,
this is marriage.

1280
00:42:25,293 --> 00:42:27,093
- Right.
- You push through,

1281
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,550
you over-communicate,

1282
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:32,340
till you get to the point
where you understand

1283
00:42:32,425 --> 00:42:35,935
and you relax and you realize
no one’s out to get you.

1284
00:42:36,012 --> 00:42:37,222
And you get to the point
where you can see

1285
00:42:37,305 --> 00:42:38,065
the real value in the thing.

1286
00:42:38,139 --> 00:42:39,429
Neither of you
ever got to that,

1287
00:42:39,515 --> 00:42:41,425
and I know you don’t want
to hear that now, because--

1288
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,349
- No, but I agree with you.

1289
00:42:43,436 --> 00:42:45,396
I feel like we never
got to that and that was

1290
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,440
a lot of our conversations
where it’s like,

1291
00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:48,895
this is what happened,
that’s it.

1292
00:42:48,983 --> 00:42:50,233
- You guys are not enemies.

1293
00:42:50,318 --> 00:42:51,568
And I think you
were acting like you

1294
00:42:51,652 --> 00:42:53,452
were enemies,
and you never were.

1295
00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:56,071
- I think the arguments we had
were so bad and so hard

1296
00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:59,077
to come back from
because there weren’t feelings.

1297
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,250
Like, it’s different when
you have feelings for somebody

1298
00:43:01,329 --> 00:43:02,829
and you argue,
those feelings are still there.

1299
00:43:02,955 --> 00:43:04,245
- But you have respect.

1300
00:43:04,332 --> 00:43:05,252
- But when you
don’t have those feelings

1301
00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:08,043
for someone
and you consistently argue,

1302
00:43:08,127 --> 00:43:09,627
it’s hard
to catch those feelings

1303
00:43:09,712 --> 00:43:10,752
because all you’re doing
is just arguing

1304
00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:11,878
and just coming at each other.

1305
00:43:11,964 --> 00:43:14,094
- But Jasimna--
- So that’s what it was for me.

1306
00:43:14,175 --> 00:43:15,265
It just kept turning me off.

1307
00:43:15,343 --> 00:43:16,093
- I hear you.

1308
00:43:16,177 --> 00:43:18,257
How do you feel about Michael?

1309
00:43:18,346 --> 00:43:19,926
<i>[soft music]</i>

1310
00:43:20,014 --> 00:43:21,774
- I think he’s an amazing man.

1311
00:43:21,849 --> 00:43:24,479
But I don’t feel
like Michael is my person,

1312
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,400
and that’s no
disrespect to him,

1313
00:43:26,479 --> 00:43:28,269
but it’s just being
with somebody that’s just like,

1314
00:43:28,356 --> 00:43:29,316
"I didn’t do that,
I didn’t do that."

1315
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,150
I felt like I was just
never winning with that.

1316
00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:36,486
It made me not want
to move forward.

1317
00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:38,782
- I’m just telling you,
you’re gonna go back into

1318
00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:41,116
the dating pool
and you’re gonna be like,

1319
00:43:41,202 --> 00:43:43,662
"what the frick
was I thinking?"

1320
00:43:43,746 --> 00:43:45,866
- Yeah, but I’m also gonna know
how to handle myself

1321
00:43:45,998 --> 00:43:48,128
differently in situations
and what I can put up with

1322
00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:51,049
and what I won’t
put up with either.

1323
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:54,630
- Experts, any final thoughts
or words of advice?

1324
00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:56,835
- You know,
of course we want to make

1325
00:43:56,968 --> 00:43:59,138
lifetime marriages,
that’s what we’re about.

1326
00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:01,970
But, if we can’t do that,
then the next thing

1327
00:44:02,056 --> 00:44:03,846
we want to do
is make that person

1328
00:44:03,933 --> 00:44:06,853
a more capable partner
for a marriage.

1329
00:44:06,936 --> 00:44:09,146
And in both your cases,
I think that’s happened.

1330
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:12,820
So I find that gratifying,
and I hope you do too.

1331
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:14,400
- Definitely.

1332
00:44:14,527 --> 00:44:16,817
- I think you all
should never say never,

1333
00:44:16,904 --> 00:44:20,164
and don’t try to stack up
points against the fact

1334
00:44:20,241 --> 00:44:23,201
that you all did have nice,
capable partners.

1335
00:44:23,286 --> 00:44:24,996
Maybe it’s not
the right person now,

1336
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,869
but that doesn’t mean
that down the road...

1337
00:44:27,957 --> 00:44:29,327
Stranger things have happened.

1338
00:44:29,417 --> 00:44:31,497
- Are you guys great together?

1339
00:44:31,586 --> 00:44:36,716
Our opinions don’t matter,
because our opinions are, yes.

1340
00:44:36,841 --> 00:44:39,511
Our opinions are that, look,
you can work through this

1341
00:44:39,594 --> 00:44:41,434
and if you could
get through this and find

1342
00:44:41,554 --> 00:44:43,854
the beauty and the worth
and the value in each other,

1343
00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:47,691
you guys would form a power
couple like you’ve never seen.

1344
00:44:47,768 --> 00:44:49,228
- That’s what we believe.

1345
00:44:49,312 --> 00:44:51,862
However, at the end of the day,
it’s your call.

1346
00:44:51,939 --> 00:44:54,859
- Right now,
in this moment, I don’t want

1347
00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:59,152
to move forward with trying
to see if that’s possible.

1348
00:44:59,238 --> 00:45:02,368
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

1349
00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:05,539
- Thank you two for coming
out here, and thank you experts

1350
00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:07,790
for talking
to Jasmina and Michael,

1351
00:45:07,914 --> 00:45:11,544
and I think we all urge them,
just think about it.

1352
00:45:11,626 --> 00:45:13,586
- Just think about it.
- Thank you.

1353
00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:16,001
- Think about it.

1354
00:45:20,509 --> 00:45:21,839
Right now we’re gonna
bring out a couple

1355
00:45:21,928 --> 00:45:23,048
who had one of
the shortest marriages

1356
00:45:23,137 --> 00:45:24,757
in "Married at First Sight"
history.

1357
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:27,097
Alyssa and Chris, come on out.

1358
00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:28,605
<i>[upbeat music]</i>

1359
00:45:28,684 --> 00:45:30,774
- Hi.
- You can come this way.

1360
00:45:30,895 --> 00:45:32,105
- [laughs]
- This way.

1361
00:45:32,188 --> 00:45:34,108
- [laughs]
Good to see you again.

1362
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:35,860
- Good to see you.
- Okay.

1363
00:45:35,942 --> 00:45:37,442
- All right.

1364
00:45:37,526 --> 00:45:38,776
I’m gonna turn it over
to the experts,

1365
00:45:38,903 --> 00:45:40,613
because I’m sure
there are lots of questions,

1366
00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:42,946
because you really didn’t
have a chance to talk

1367
00:45:43,032 --> 00:45:46,452
during the honeymoon
or while this was unraveling.

1368
00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:48,197
- I need a few answers here.

1369
00:45:48,287 --> 00:45:51,167
I think Chris
is a really great guy,

1370
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:54,920
and we thought we were
giving you a terrific husband.

1371
00:45:56,879 --> 00:46:02,049
And I honestly
didn’t understand

1372
00:46:02,134 --> 00:46:06,644
why you thought he was
such a failure in so many ways,

1373
00:46:06,722 --> 00:46:10,892
and also, I don’t know
how we mismatched you so much

1374
00:46:10,977 --> 00:46:13,727
as you think you were,

1375
00:46:13,813 --> 00:46:17,823
because we went after
a list of things

1376
00:46:17,942 --> 00:46:20,822
that you gave us,
a list of things he gave us,

1377
00:46:20,903 --> 00:46:23,243
and they matched up
really well.

1378
00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:26,162
We thought we had put you
with somebody

1379
00:46:26,242 --> 00:46:27,832
that you had asked for.

1380
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:30,700
- Yeah, I’m happy to explain
the way I feel about it.

1381
00:46:30,830 --> 00:46:33,670
I respectfully disagree
with what you say.

1382
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,961
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

1383
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:42,010
I don’t feel that the list
of things or the questionnaires

1384
00:46:42,091 --> 00:46:44,511
that I did
or the interviews that I did

1385
00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:47,513
align with Chris,
and that’s nothing against you,

1386
00:46:47,596 --> 00:46:49,516
that’s just, you know,
my preferences

1387
00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:51,098
and what I wanted in somebody,

1388
00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:55,523
and I don’t feel that we
have anything in common,

1389
00:46:55,646 --> 00:46:57,356
and I don’t feel like our
core values align,

1390
00:46:57,481 --> 00:47:00,441
and I don’t feel like he
is what I asked for.

1391
00:47:00,526 --> 00:47:03,696
- He is exactly
what you wrote down

1392
00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:05,861
in your questionnaire
and your application.

1393
00:47:05,948 --> 00:47:07,408
Exactly.

1394
00:47:07,533 --> 00:47:09,373
- Well,
I don’t agree with that.

1395
00:47:09,452 --> 00:47:12,042
- I have your
questionnaire answers

1396
00:47:12,121 --> 00:47:13,461
about what you asked for.

1397
00:47:13,539 --> 00:47:14,869
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1398
00:47:14,999 --> 00:47:17,379
The top five
most important things.

1399
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:19,040
Compassionate...
- Yeah.

1400
00:47:19,128 --> 00:47:20,378
- Funny...
- Mm-hmm.

1401
00:47:20,463 --> 00:47:24,223
- Giving, hardworking,
and loyal.

1402
00:47:24,342 --> 00:47:25,302
- Mm-hmm.

1403
00:47:25,384 --> 00:47:26,974
- Are you saying he’s
none of those things?

1404
00:47:27,053 --> 00:47:28,803
Because you said
you didn’t get anything.

1405
00:47:28,888 --> 00:47:31,558
- Well, I felt,
I didn’t feel loyalty.

1406
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,560
<i>[tense music]</i>

1407
00:47:34,685 --> 00:47:39,565
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1408
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:42,280
I sat here today
because I was told

1409
00:47:42,401 --> 00:47:43,901
I wouldn’t feel
like I was being attacked,

1410
00:47:44,028 --> 00:47:45,648
and I do feel that way.
- I’m asking you a question.

1411
00:47:45,738 --> 00:47:47,568
It’s just a question
because you said--

1412
00:47:47,656 --> 00:47:49,156
- I don’t know how
to articulate myself

1413
00:47:49,241 --> 00:47:51,161
any better than I am right now.

1414
00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:53,753
Do I wish that things
went differently?

1415
00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:56,251
1,000%.

1416
00:47:56,332 --> 00:47:59,252
But I can’t keep sitting
here saying the same thing

1417
00:47:59,335 --> 00:48:02,175
over and over again,
because I just can’t.

1418
00:48:02,254 --> 00:48:05,924
- But you did start this off
by, not only today,

1419
00:48:06,008 --> 00:48:09,928
but you’ve also said
in several of the episodes

1420
00:48:10,054 --> 00:48:11,934
that you don’t think
that we did a good job,

1421
00:48:12,056 --> 00:48:13,096
starting from the beginning.

1422
00:48:13,182 --> 00:48:15,102
- Yes.
- Based off of saying

1423
00:48:15,184 --> 00:48:17,104
we didn’t give you
anything you wanted.

1424
00:48:17,186 --> 00:48:18,936
I don’t want you
leaving here thinking that,

1425
00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:20,111
because that’s an error.

1426
00:48:20,189 --> 00:48:21,319
That’s not true.

1427
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,270
- I don’t agree

1428
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,860
that we were matched
appropriately,

1429
00:48:23,943 --> 00:48:26,953
whether he’s
those four items or not.

1430
00:48:27,071 --> 00:48:27,991
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1431
00:48:28,114 --> 00:48:30,284
- Can I ask you
what your core values are?

1432
00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:32,278
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1433
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:35,290
- I don’t want to get into
specifics, like, about that.

1434
00:48:35,413 --> 00:48:37,503
I’m...
- Okay.

1435
00:48:37,623 --> 00:48:39,123
- Just saying
that I don’t feel

1436
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:40,380
like we were
matched appropriately.

1437
00:48:40,459 --> 00:48:42,669
- The reason is because I
match couples based on values.

1438
00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:44,965
And when I
talked to you earlier,

1439
00:48:45,089 --> 00:48:47,049
you had said,
"I see why we were matched."

1440
00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:48,553
- Yeah.

1441
00:48:50,052 --> 00:48:52,142
I don’t believe in
having "a person."

1442
00:48:52,263 --> 00:48:56,483
I think that everybody’s
gonna check some boxes

1443
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,479
and everybody’s
gonna not check some.

1444
00:48:58,561 --> 00:49:00,311
The question is,
how many do you need checked

1445
00:49:00,396 --> 00:49:02,306
to then say,
"I can work on the rest"?

1446
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,400
And some boxes are bigger
and some boxes are smaller.

1447
00:49:04,483 --> 00:49:07,653
We never really got
to a point where I was able

1448
00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:11,158
to evaluate the same thing
on the other side,

1449
00:49:11,282 --> 00:49:14,492
because the boxes
that I didn’t check for her

1450
00:49:14,577 --> 00:49:18,157
were either too many,
or the big ones.

1451
00:49:18,247 --> 00:49:19,327
So...
- Right.

1452
00:49:19,457 --> 00:49:22,497
- But all I know is that
I feel sad for the both of us

1453
00:49:22,585 --> 00:49:25,505
that we are put into, like,
a not-good situation

1454
00:49:25,588 --> 00:49:28,008
when I know why
I came into this,

1455
00:49:28,132 --> 00:49:30,182
which was to find a person,

1456
00:49:30,259 --> 00:49:32,509
and I wanted to find
that person so bad that I was

1457
00:49:32,595 --> 00:49:35,855
willing to do anything
to find that.

1458
00:49:35,931 --> 00:49:38,681
- But I think what you wanted,

1459
00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:41,439
which is exactly
what we don’t want,

1460
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,360
is you have a vision.

1461
00:49:43,481 --> 00:49:45,191
And if I’d known this,
believe me,

1462
00:49:45,316 --> 00:49:46,186
I wouldn’t have matched you.

1463
00:49:46,275 --> 00:49:48,035
- Yeah, I said,
I said if you don’t find

1464
00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:49,860
the person I’m asking for,
please don’t match me.

1465
00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:52,067
- Well, we didn’t know
that you had a very,

1466
00:49:52,198 --> 00:49:55,028
very narrow template
of what this person was.

1467
00:49:55,117 --> 00:49:57,197
That’s exactly
what we try to avoid.

1468
00:49:57,286 --> 00:50:00,536
- Absolutely.
- And so I’m shocked.

1469
00:50:00,664 --> 00:50:02,214
- I just, I couldn’t see it.

1470
00:50:02,291 --> 00:50:05,381
And I was, you know,
heartbroken about...

1471
00:50:05,461 --> 00:50:07,211
that I really wanted
to find my person,

1472
00:50:07,296 --> 00:50:08,956
and I’m sure you did as well.

1473
00:50:09,048 --> 00:50:11,218
But I guess, you know,
the bottom line is that,

1474
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:13,640
I’m gonna keep saying is,
I didn’t feel it was right.

1475
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,549
- I just want you
to realize, though,

1476
00:50:15,638 --> 00:50:18,888
going forward, that
when you’ve judged someone,

1477
00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:21,976
whether it’s wrongly
or rightly or whatever,

1478
00:50:22,061 --> 00:50:25,901
you need to recognize that
you’re going to then go forward

1479
00:50:25,981 --> 00:50:27,771
only looking at the bad,

1480
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:29,400
and you need
to get out of there.

1481
00:50:29,485 --> 00:50:30,745
Because it’s terrible.

1482
00:50:30,819 --> 00:50:34,819
It’s a terrible look, but it’s
also terrible for you inside.

1483
00:50:34,907 --> 00:50:36,737
- I know this is, like,
a running joke

1484
00:50:36,825 --> 00:50:38,405
and everybody’s laughing
about it, me saying

1485
00:50:38,494 --> 00:50:39,914
I’m, like, a good person
all the time, but...

1486
00:50:39,995 --> 00:50:40,785
[sniffs]

1487
00:50:40,913 --> 00:50:42,253
You know,
I’m gonna keep saying it,

1488
00:50:42,373 --> 00:50:45,423
because I am a good person,
and, you know, I was shown

1489
00:50:45,501 --> 00:50:50,261
in a light that’s not who I am,
and I’m sad about that.

1490
00:50:50,339 --> 00:50:51,759
- There’s all these
passive things,

1491
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:52,760
"You were shown."

1492
00:50:52,883 --> 00:50:55,013
We put no words in your mouth.
- I’m not--

1493
00:50:55,094 --> 00:50:56,094
Okay.
- We didn’t do your actions.

1494
00:50:56,178 --> 00:50:59,258
- I guess I’m not explaining it
correctly.

1495
00:50:59,348 --> 00:51:02,098
- Chris, I feel for you,

1496
00:51:02,226 --> 00:51:05,186
because when you first
saw Alyssa, you thought,

1497
00:51:05,271 --> 00:51:06,611
"Oh, my gosh,
this is what I want."

1498
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:08,440
You were feeling
really positive

1499
00:51:08,524 --> 00:51:11,864
and happy with
who she seemed to be.

1500
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:15,284
And then it all crashed down
pretty damn quickly.

1501
00:51:15,364 --> 00:51:17,624
So how did you feel
and how have you been feeling

1502
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:18,450
since then?

1503
00:51:18,576 --> 00:51:20,196
- I think
the day of the wedding,

1504
00:51:20,286 --> 00:51:21,616
I felt kind of like
a big, dumb idiot.

1505
00:51:21,704 --> 00:51:24,004
Like, this is fun.
This is what I wanted.

1506
00:51:24,123 --> 00:51:24,963
This will work.

1507
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,460
She’s beautiful,
like, it’s great.

1508
00:51:28,544 --> 00:51:32,674
I have all this, like,
potential energy for marriage,

1509
00:51:32,798 --> 00:51:34,468
for relationships, for it,

1510
00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:36,132
and I didn’t get
to put it anywhere.

1511
00:51:36,218 --> 00:51:37,178
I don’t feel heartbreak

1512
00:51:37,303 --> 00:51:38,973
’cause we were never
really in a relationship.

1513
00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:40,974
I don’t regret
having done the process.

1514
00:51:41,056 --> 00:51:42,056
I don’t think I’d do it again.

1515
00:51:42,141 --> 00:51:43,481
But I don’t regret

1516
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:44,889
having gone through the process

1517
00:51:44,977 --> 00:51:46,307
’cause I learned
so much about myself,

1518
00:51:46,437 --> 00:51:48,807
and I feel like
I can bring that

1519
00:51:48,897 --> 00:51:50,977
to every relationship
going forward.

1520
00:51:51,066 --> 00:51:52,816
- For the future.

1521
00:51:52,901 --> 00:51:54,651
Going forward though,
you say you wouldn’t do

1522
00:51:54,778 --> 00:51:56,318
this process again,
but you are still looking

1523
00:51:56,405 --> 00:51:57,415
for love,
you want to be married.

1524
00:51:57,489 --> 00:51:58,409
- Yeah.

1525
00:51:58,490 --> 00:52:00,830
Yeah, and still willing
to do the work.

1526
00:52:00,909 --> 00:52:03,829
- Alyssa, if--
just one piece of advice.

1527
00:52:03,912 --> 00:52:08,752
If you could make that list
not so long and not so perfect,

1528
00:52:08,834 --> 00:52:11,174
I think you can find
that human being.

1529
00:52:11,253 --> 00:52:14,013
- I have faith
that I will find my person.

1530
00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:16,169
And when the time is right,
they’ll come.

1531
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:17,840
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1532
00:52:17,926 --> 00:52:20,176
- Listen, I know it’s hard
for you to come out here,

1533
00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:21,354
so we appreciate
you coming out here,

1534
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:25,180
sitting down, and at least
talking to the experts

1535
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:26,769
and giving your side
of the story.

1536
00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:29,022
It was important,
I think, to wrap a bow on this,

1537
00:52:29,104 --> 00:52:31,114
so thank you both
for coming out here.

1538
00:52:34,693 --> 00:52:37,283
Now it is time for the experts
to talk to another couple

1539
00:52:37,363 --> 00:52:40,783
who decided to part ways
after Decision Day.

1540
00:52:40,866 --> 00:52:44,116
Things might be well
beyond repair for these two,

1541
00:52:44,203 --> 00:52:45,833
but we feel it’s important
that they get a chance

1542
00:52:45,913 --> 00:52:48,123
to sit down and discuss
why things went wrong

1543
00:52:48,207 --> 00:52:51,207
and take ownership
for those things,

1544
00:52:51,335 --> 00:52:54,805
hopefully in a very calm,
cool, and collected manner.

1545
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,970
Let’s welcome Lindsey and Mark.

1546
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:58,299
Come on out and join us.

1547
00:52:58,384 --> 00:53:00,394
- Hello.
- Hello.

1548
00:53:00,511 --> 00:53:01,601
- You all look so good.

1549
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,430
- Oh, you look gorgeous.
- Great dress. Look beautiful.

1550
00:53:04,556 --> 00:53:06,266
- Thanks, you know,
we always match up.

1551
00:53:06,392 --> 00:53:07,812
[laughs]
- Hey there, pretty girl.

1552
00:53:07,893 --> 00:53:09,443
- What’s up, big guy?
- How you doing?

1553
00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:11,731
<i>[upbeat music]</i>

1554
00:53:11,855 --> 00:53:14,065
- Thank you for, first of all,
sitting down with the experts,

1555
00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:16,991
and I just want to turn things
right over to them,

1556
00:53:17,069 --> 00:53:20,659
to get right into
this and the way things have

1557
00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:22,949
devolved since your
Decision Day.

1558
00:53:23,075 --> 00:53:27,165
- So when, after Decision Day,
did things really start to get

1559
00:53:27,246 --> 00:53:29,576
to a place where you all
were like, we don’t care

1560
00:53:29,707 --> 00:53:33,247
how much we connected,
this is not gonna work for us?

1561
00:53:33,377 --> 00:53:35,667
- For me,
it was on my birthday.

1562
00:53:35,754 --> 00:53:37,174
- How many weeks
after Decision Day?

1563
00:53:37,256 --> 00:53:39,336
- Seven days.
Seven days after Decision Day.

1564
00:53:39,425 --> 00:53:40,515
We had spent those seven days

1565
00:53:40,592 --> 00:53:42,342
refinishing
his three-family home

1566
00:53:42,428 --> 00:53:44,678
and my one request was, like,
I just want to be done

1567
00:53:44,763 --> 00:53:47,523
by my birthday and have
a dinner and a massage.

1568
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:48,849
That’s all I want.

1569
00:53:48,934 --> 00:53:51,194
And he gave me an IOU.
[laughs]

1570
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:53,360
And six weeks went by,
and I was like,

1571
00:53:53,439 --> 00:53:54,189
"Mark, are you ever
gonna give me

1572
00:53:54,273 --> 00:53:55,653
that IOU
for the birthday gift?"

1573
00:53:55,774 --> 00:53:58,154
And he’s like, "Well, at this
point, it doesn’t even matter.

1574
00:53:58,277 --> 00:54:01,357
It’s too late, I think."
And I was like, "No.

1575
00:54:01,447 --> 00:54:05,197
If you make me a promise,
I need you to deliver on it."

1576
00:54:05,284 --> 00:54:06,704
- Okay.

1577
00:54:06,785 --> 00:54:09,695
- And he said a few things
to me about, like,

1578
00:54:09,788 --> 00:54:11,328
"You know, I don’t know
if you could stay here.

1579
00:54:11,457 --> 00:54:13,457
You don’t actually
have any rights to this house."

1580
00:54:13,584 --> 00:54:16,214
And I was like, "This
is my last bag that’s unpacked

1581
00:54:16,295 --> 00:54:18,055
"and somebody is moving
into my apartment today.

1582
00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:20,090
Why would you have had me
give up my apartment?"

1583
00:54:20,174 --> 00:54:22,384
I asked you to keep it.

1584
00:54:22,468 --> 00:54:24,008
You told me we’re not
splitting up the family,

1585
00:54:24,136 --> 00:54:25,006
we’re not
splitting up the cats,

1586
00:54:25,137 --> 00:54:27,057
we’re staying together,
we’re doing this.

1587
00:54:27,139 --> 00:54:28,889
So that, and then on
the day my grandma died,

1588
00:54:28,974 --> 00:54:30,104
he said, "I’m out."

1589
00:54:30,184 --> 00:54:33,314
- Yeah, after Decision Day,
we spent a week getting

1590
00:54:33,437 --> 00:54:36,557
the place ready because it’s
not up to her standards.

1591
00:54:36,648 --> 00:54:38,228
So I’m gonna do everything
I can to make her happy,

1592
00:54:38,317 --> 00:54:39,227
because the move-in date

1593
00:54:39,318 --> 00:54:40,688
was pretty much
her birthday weekend.

1594
00:54:40,819 --> 00:54:44,779
But the issue was, is that,
there was too many threats made

1595
00:54:44,865 --> 00:54:48,745
in the house
that just ruined it for us.

1596
00:54:48,827 --> 00:54:51,867
Like, we got
in a fight that night

1597
00:54:51,997 --> 00:54:54,577
specifically
because I was like, "Listen,

1598
00:54:54,666 --> 00:54:57,836
"I’m not going back to work,
and I can’t just sit around.

1599
00:54:57,961 --> 00:54:59,841
"I get you don’t like the split
shift, you don’t like the pay,

1600
00:54:59,963 --> 00:55:00,883
"you don’t like the industry,
you don’t get any of it.

1601
00:55:01,006 --> 00:55:02,836
"You don’t like my coworkers
on top of it.

1602
00:55:02,966 --> 00:55:04,256
"So you don’t want me
to go there at all.

1603
00:55:04,343 --> 00:55:05,433
But I got to go back to work."

1604
00:55:05,511 --> 00:55:07,101
"If you go back there,
we’re gonna get divorced."

1605
00:55:07,179 --> 00:55:09,009
Why does it gotta be
such extremes?

1606
00:55:09,139 --> 00:55:12,099
- Seven days
after I gave up my apartment,

1607
00:55:12,184 --> 00:55:14,314
per your instructions,
and moved in with you,

1608
00:55:14,394 --> 00:55:16,774
you said, "I think I’m gonna
go back to split shifts.

1609
00:55:16,855 --> 00:55:18,435
We might have to move.
I don’t want to commute."

1610
00:55:18,524 --> 00:55:19,524
And I said, "Wait a minute.

1611
00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:21,860
I’m not moving.
I just gave up my apartment."

1612
00:55:21,985 --> 00:55:23,025
You said,
"You have no rights here.

1613
00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:25,613
You’re gonna have to leave here
if I tell you to."

1614
00:55:25,697 --> 00:55:29,947
And I was just dumbfounded
that, as my husband,

1615
00:55:30,035 --> 00:55:32,075
you would leave me
in this situation,

1616
00:55:32,204 --> 00:55:36,464
specifically knowing my past
history and my vulnerabilities.

1617
00:55:36,542 --> 00:55:38,962
- It’s just, it’s like...
- Yeah.

1618
00:55:39,044 --> 00:55:39,964
- I’m not somebody

1619
00:55:40,045 --> 00:55:41,795
that would ever
throw you on the street,

1620
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,720
no matter how mean
you could be to me.

1621
00:55:43,841 --> 00:55:45,801
- You tried to.
- No, I didn’t.

1622
00:55:45,884 --> 00:55:47,804
You stayed in the apartment
for three months, free rent.

1623
00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:48,886
You made out great,
you could have stayed there

1624
00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:50,812
five more months--
I can’t legally do anything.

1625
00:55:50,889 --> 00:55:52,139
Stay as long as you want.
- Mark.

1626
00:55:52,224 --> 00:55:53,144
- I would’ve never--[sighs]

1627
00:55:53,225 --> 00:55:55,025
- I hear you.
I hate to cut you off,

1628
00:55:55,102 --> 00:55:57,152
but I got to say
something here.

1629
00:55:57,229 --> 00:55:59,809
What I see here is
a prime example of two people

1630
00:55:59,898 --> 00:56:03,318
who just completely
lost respect for each other.

1631
00:56:03,402 --> 00:56:05,572
And you’re acting out of that.

1632
00:56:05,696 --> 00:56:09,276
You both destroyed
the marriage.

1633
00:56:09,408 --> 00:56:10,448
<i>[soft music]</i>

1634
00:56:10,576 --> 00:56:11,576
You both did.

1635
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:15,250
- But I think she has
a side of her that just--

1636
00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:16,502
it gets too much.

1637
00:56:16,582 --> 00:56:18,672
It gets too violent for me.

1638
00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,000
It’s too threatening.

1639
00:56:20,085 --> 00:56:21,085
Like, I’ve been bullied.

1640
00:56:21,211 --> 00:56:23,671
This is the worst
I’ve been bullied in my life.

1641
00:56:23,755 --> 00:56:24,665
- Do you agree, Lindsey?

1642
00:56:24,756 --> 00:56:26,296
Do you believe
that you bullied Mark?

1643
00:56:26,425 --> 00:56:29,765
- No, I think that I went into
fight mode versus flight mode.

1644
00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:35,770
- Well the problem,
as we’ve talked about,

1645
00:56:35,893 --> 00:56:39,233
which I would really like you
to work on,

1646
00:56:39,313 --> 00:56:40,863
is that when you’re hurt,

1647
00:56:40,939 --> 00:56:45,319
your response
is anger and lashing out.

1648
00:56:45,444 --> 00:56:49,704
And you’re very bright, so when
you lash out, you hit bone.

1649
00:56:49,781 --> 00:56:52,451
I mean, you--you get it.
- The jugular.

1650
00:56:52,576 --> 00:56:56,196
- Yeah,
you’re effective in a way

1651
00:56:56,288 --> 00:56:59,208
that’s not fun to watch
and not fun to receive.

1652
00:56:59,291 --> 00:57:02,881
You have so much going for you,
Lindsey, as a big heart,

1653
00:57:02,961 --> 00:57:05,551
as an organized
and effective person,

1654
00:57:05,631 --> 00:57:07,721
but this stuff
is killing a relationship

1655
00:57:07,799 --> 00:57:09,259
and will hurt you too.

1656
00:57:09,343 --> 00:57:10,973
- No, I agree with you.
- You know?

1657
00:57:11,094 --> 00:57:14,394
And Mark, I understand
that you’ve been hurt by this,

1658
00:57:14,473 --> 00:57:16,723
and I’m so sorry,
but I think you too,

1659
00:57:16,808 --> 00:57:18,848
when you say provoked,
you have to think about, like,

1660
00:57:18,977 --> 00:57:21,897
what am I withholding
in a conscious way?

1661
00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:24,230
- Mm-hmm.
- I know you had gratitude.

1662
00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:26,476
I don’t know if it got
transferred to the person

1663
00:57:26,610 --> 00:57:27,490
who needed it.
- Mm-hmm.

1664
00:57:27,611 --> 00:57:30,201
- We want you to be
your better selves,

1665
00:57:30,322 --> 00:57:33,072
your more effective selves
in the future.

1666
00:57:33,158 --> 00:57:35,368
And that’s why, when we say
hold accountability,

1667
00:57:35,494 --> 00:57:37,254
responsibility,
not in a punishing way,

1668
00:57:37,329 --> 00:57:39,249
but who’s gonna
be the better you?

1669
00:57:39,331 --> 00:57:40,671
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.

1670
00:57:40,791 --> 00:57:42,081
- Very well said.

1671
00:57:42,167 --> 00:57:43,707
I want to know
what Mark’s feeling.

1672
00:57:43,835 --> 00:57:45,125
What’s going on?

1673
00:57:46,171 --> 00:57:47,841
- [scoffs]

1674
00:57:49,174 --> 00:57:52,764
- I just--I hate reliving this.

1675
00:57:52,844 --> 00:57:55,264
Having these conversations,
it’s just too much.

1676
00:57:55,347 --> 00:57:56,597
You know?
- Yeah.

1677
00:57:56,682 --> 00:57:58,102
It was pretty traumatic?

1678
00:57:58,183 --> 00:58:00,603
- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.

1679
00:58:02,354 --> 00:58:03,314
Lindsey,
I want to ask you a question.

1680
00:58:03,397 --> 00:58:07,977
How do you feel
about how he’s responding?

1681
00:58:09,152 --> 00:58:11,782
If I’m being very honest--
- No. No, no, no, no, no.

1682
00:58:11,863 --> 00:58:14,123
I don’t think she needs
to be very honest if it’s not

1683
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:15,329
gonna have tact, ’cause
that’s just more of you--

1684
00:58:15,409 --> 00:58:16,909
- Listen--no, it’s okay.
- Viv, you’re cutting me off,

1685
00:58:17,035 --> 00:58:17,945
and...
- I know--well, because--

1686
00:58:18,036 --> 00:58:19,576
- Left and right.
- Because I feel like

1687
00:58:19,705 --> 00:58:22,295
I need to
if this is so one-sided.

1688
00:58:22,374 --> 00:58:24,174
- I know you’re very Team Mark.
- It is, but I wanna hear it.

1689
00:58:24,251 --> 00:58:25,171
Let me hear it.
I wanna hear it.

1690
00:58:25,252 --> 00:58:28,802
- But I don’t feel
as though he is genuine.

1691
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,880
- There we go.
So one more dig.

1692
00:58:31,008 --> 00:58:33,128
- It’s okay. Let’s do that.
- No, it’s my impression.

1693
00:58:33,218 --> 00:58:34,968
I don’t feel
as though it’s genuine.

1694
00:58:35,053 --> 00:58:39,063
So when I see these tears,
I don’t have compassion for him

1695
00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:41,392
’cause I don’t feel
like they’re sincere.

1696
00:58:41,518 --> 00:58:43,228
- Now, let me stop right there,
and let me say this.

1697
00:58:43,353 --> 00:58:46,563
That shows that you’ve
lost value for him.

1698
00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:47,570
And you’ve
lost respect for him.

1699
00:58:47,691 --> 00:58:48,651
- Yes.

1700
00:58:48,734 --> 00:58:50,404
- We understand
the marriage is over.

1701
00:58:50,527 --> 00:58:53,697
But one thing you
can never lose is empathy.

1702
00:58:55,407 --> 00:58:56,947
- For people I don’t respect?

1703
00:58:57,075 --> 00:58:58,825
<i>[tense music]</i>

1704
00:58:58,910 --> 00:59:01,830
- Look, I mean,
he’s not a crybaby.

1705
00:59:01,913 --> 00:59:03,503
And you cry a lot as well.

1706
00:59:03,582 --> 00:59:05,122
- Oh, I know that, I’m a crier.

1707
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:06,960
- But there’s nothing wrong
with him shedding tears,

1708
00:59:07,085 --> 00:59:08,995
and I don’t want you
to make him feel bad

1709
00:59:09,087 --> 00:59:11,167
about having an emotional side.

1710
00:59:11,256 --> 00:59:13,006
- I hate to say this.

1711
00:59:13,091 --> 00:59:15,551
Y’all are very similar,
and the fact that y’all

1712
00:59:15,635 --> 00:59:17,345
don’t like each other
says more about how you feel

1713
00:59:17,429 --> 00:59:19,349
about yourselves
than each other.

1714
00:59:19,431 --> 00:59:22,851
- Mark, I know you feel upset,
and I’m so sorry

1715
00:59:22,934 --> 00:59:25,524
you’re so disappointed and sad,
but what have you learned

1716
00:59:25,604 --> 00:59:28,444
about yourself that’s positive,
through this experience?

1717
00:59:30,776 --> 00:59:33,026
- I think that, like,
if I ever encounter

1718
00:59:33,111 --> 00:59:35,201
another relationship
where I need to speak up,

1719
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,530
yeah, speak up early on,
set the tone

1720
00:59:37,616 --> 00:59:39,526
out the gate,
don’t wait too long,

1721
00:59:39,618 --> 00:59:41,658
’cause then it’s too hard
to do it then.

1722
00:59:41,787 --> 00:59:42,537
You know, out the gate,
be like,

1723
00:59:42,621 --> 00:59:44,041
"Listen,
I don’t put up with that."

1724
00:59:44,122 --> 00:59:45,372
In a tone that lets them know,

1725
00:59:45,457 --> 00:59:47,377
"Hey, I’m not
gonna accept that."

1726
00:59:47,459 --> 00:59:49,839
- Yeah, everybody
should move forward.

1727
00:59:49,961 --> 00:59:51,711
I think it’s time
for everybody.

1728
00:59:51,797 --> 00:59:54,507
And we want the best for you.
That’s what I’m saying.

1729
00:59:54,633 --> 00:59:56,223
We want the best,
we want you to be happy

1730
00:59:56,301 --> 00:59:57,761
and live a good life.

1731
00:59:57,844 --> 00:59:59,554
Life is short. It’s not--

1732
00:59:59,638 --> 01:00:00,968
- Oh, my God.
- It’s so short.

1733
01:00:04,643 --> 01:00:05,643
Let’s welcome back
the entire Boston cast.

1734
01:00:05,769 --> 01:00:06,939
Welcome back, y’all.
- Thank you.

1735
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:08,730
- Hello.
- Nice to see you guys.

1736
01:00:08,814 --> 01:00:12,154
- It’s great
to see everybody together.

1737
01:00:12,234 --> 01:00:13,234
- It’s a family
at this point, right?

1738
01:00:13,318 --> 01:00:14,818
There’s a very small number
of people

1739
01:00:14,945 --> 01:00:15,745
who have gone through this,

1740
01:00:15,821 --> 01:00:17,491
even if you look
at all the seasons.

1741
01:00:17,572 --> 01:00:19,662
So--and it really does
feel like family.

1742
01:00:19,783 --> 01:00:22,333
- And there was
also a lot of fun.

1743
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:24,500
You guys had a lot
of fun together, right?

1744
01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:26,751
- Absolutely,
thinking about our retreat,

1745
01:00:26,832 --> 01:00:28,002
<i>we were having a dance party.</i>

1746
01:00:28,083 --> 01:00:30,003
<i>Some really special moments
</i> <i>between all of us.</i>

1747
01:00:30,085 --> 01:00:31,595
<i>- "Mark the Shark" was the DJ.</i>

1748
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:34,210
<i>- So that’s gonna be
the new move right now.</i>

1749
01:00:34,339 --> 01:00:37,179
DJ Shark or DJ MTS,
he hasn’t fully picked it yet,

1750
01:00:37,259 --> 01:00:38,839
but it’s coming.
- Okay.

1751
01:00:38,927 --> 01:00:39,927
All right, DJ.

1752
01:00:40,011 --> 01:00:42,011
I’ll call you if I have
a wedding or a party.

1753
01:00:42,097 --> 01:00:43,007
All right.

1754
01:00:43,098 --> 01:00:44,428
Let’s go back to the honeymoon.

1755
01:00:44,516 --> 01:00:46,346
You know, you get there,
you get together.

1756
01:00:46,434 --> 01:00:49,024
It wasn’t too long
before a disagreement broke out

1757
01:00:49,104 --> 01:00:50,864
between Lindsey and Olajuwon,

1758
01:00:50,939 --> 01:00:54,689
over Lindsey telling Olajuwon
to speak Spanish.

1759
01:00:54,776 --> 01:00:56,856
- She was trying
to tell people in this bus

1760
01:00:56,987 --> 01:00:58,857
what language to speak here.

1761
01:00:58,947 --> 01:01:00,027
We’re all adults.

1762
01:01:00,157 --> 01:01:01,527
You want to speak English,
you want to speak Spanish,

1763
01:01:01,616 --> 01:01:02,696
you speak what you want.

1764
01:01:02,784 --> 01:01:03,954
Don’t come over here
telling people what to do,

1765
01:01:04,035 --> 01:01:05,865
’cause we’re adults,
and we don’t play that.

1766
01:01:05,954 --> 01:01:07,044
- Remember that, right?

1767
01:01:07,164 --> 01:01:08,544
<i>- Hola.</i>

1768
01:01:08,623 --> 01:01:09,623
[laughter]

1769
01:01:09,708 --> 01:01:10,628
<i>- Si.</i>

1770
01:01:10,709 --> 01:01:11,629
<i>- Si.
- Si.</i>

1771
01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:13,540
- He’s working on it.

1772
01:01:13,628 --> 01:01:15,378
<i>- Si.
</i>[laughter]

1773
01:01:15,463 --> 01:01:16,463
What was that moment like?

1774
01:01:16,548 --> 01:01:19,878
Because it started things
a little bumpy, right?

1775
01:01:19,968 --> 01:01:22,218
- Yeah, it was a tough moment
for me and Lindsey,

1776
01:01:22,304 --> 01:01:25,394
but I think
that’s how we learned our line

1777
01:01:25,473 --> 01:01:27,313
and when to push and not push.

1778
01:01:27,392 --> 01:01:29,102
Me and Lindsey,
are a ball of fire,

1779
01:01:29,227 --> 01:01:32,057
so, you know, put it together,
you make big flames.

1780
01:01:32,189 --> 01:01:34,569
- And I mean,
I really respect O.

1781
01:01:34,649 --> 01:01:35,819
Like, I knew day one
I would like him.

1782
01:01:35,901 --> 01:01:37,741
I could tell like, oh, we’re
both rough around the edges,

1783
01:01:37,819 --> 01:01:39,779
we’re gonna be able
to have fun together.

1784
01:01:39,905 --> 01:01:41,325
- Olajuwon,
do you get Lindsey,

1785
01:01:41,406 --> 01:01:43,236
do you understand Lindsey,
you think?

1786
01:01:43,325 --> 01:01:44,585
- I get Lindsey.

1787
01:01:44,659 --> 01:01:45,909
We had a one-on-one,

1788
01:01:46,036 --> 01:01:49,406
and we really, like, hey,
you know, let’s let this out.

1789
01:01:49,539 --> 01:01:52,579
Let’s let each other know,
like, who we are.

1790
01:01:52,667 --> 01:01:55,497
Hey, you know,
this is my line, don’t pass it.

1791
01:01:55,587 --> 01:01:57,257
Respect me.
- I felt like that was

1792
01:01:57,339 --> 01:01:58,919
a big turning point for us, O,

1793
01:01:59,007 --> 01:02:00,257
like, the fact
that I was sitting there,

1794
01:02:00,342 --> 01:02:02,762
and you and I were just having
that one-on-one conversation,

1795
01:02:02,844 --> 01:02:04,604
just hashed it all out.

1796
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:06,259
- And I think that we
learned each other

1797
01:02:06,389 --> 01:02:08,269
and we started getting advice
from each other,

1798
01:02:08,350 --> 01:02:10,600
because we’re kind of the same
way when that energy is high.

1799
01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:13,765
- So were you giving her advice
when everything was

1800
01:02:13,855 --> 01:02:14,935
falling apart
between the two of them?

1801
01:02:15,023 --> 01:02:17,113
- Yeah, absolutely,
I gave them a lot of therapy.

1802
01:02:17,234 --> 01:02:19,614
Absolutely, they know that.
They know that.

1803
01:02:19,736 --> 01:02:21,276
- Olajuwon said,
"I was the expert."

1804
01:02:21,404 --> 01:02:23,364
- Absolutely.
- Dr. Olajuwon was deep in it.

1805
01:02:23,448 --> 01:02:24,818
- Yeah. We did it a lot.

1806
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:25,870
We did it
with Mike and Jasmina.

1807
01:02:25,951 --> 01:02:27,951
We somehow find
to get on the same page,

1808
01:02:28,036 --> 01:02:29,946
and it’s amazing.
- I love it.

1809
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,460
Then why didn’t you
fix these relationships?

1810
01:02:31,539 --> 01:02:32,869
- Because I’m not a expert,
Kev.

1811
01:02:32,958 --> 01:02:36,628
[laughter]

1812
01:02:36,711 --> 01:02:38,301
- Olajuwon, I’m about
to throw you under the bus

1813
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:40,130
a little bit,
because it has been brought

1814
01:02:40,257 --> 01:02:43,547
to my attention that you
didn’t know your wife’s name...

1815
01:02:43,635 --> 01:02:45,145
- Oh, that’s easy.
- On the honeymoon.

1816
01:02:45,220 --> 01:02:46,300
I want you to check out
this package real quick.

1817
01:02:46,388 --> 01:02:47,308
Okay, just watch this.
- Okay.

1818
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:51,480
- What’s your wife’s name?
- Janita.

1819
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:52,809
[laughter]

1820
01:02:52,894 --> 01:02:56,154
- Janita?
- [bleep].

1821
01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:58,151
Jeanette, Jeanette. Jeanette.

1822
01:02:58,233 --> 01:03:00,153
Sorry,
my wife’s name’s Jeanette.

1823
01:03:00,277 --> 01:03:02,317
I almost forgot her name.
Her name’s Jeanette.

1824
01:03:02,445 --> 01:03:03,905
- Your wife’s name is Jeanette?
- He’s so confident!

1825
01:03:03,989 --> 01:03:06,489
- Yeah. Oh, Kanet.
Kanet, sorry, Kanet.

1826
01:03:06,574 --> 01:03:08,834
- That’s her name?
- [bleep].

1827
01:03:08,910 --> 01:03:10,500
Wifey!
- Her name’s Katina.

1828
01:03:10,578 --> 01:03:11,498
- [bleep].

1829
01:03:11,579 --> 01:03:12,909
Yeah, her name is Katina,

1830
01:03:12,998 --> 01:03:14,828
and I’m happy
I’m married to her.

1831
01:03:14,916 --> 01:03:16,666
[laughter]

1832
01:03:16,751 --> 01:03:18,591
- Did you know
that your husband

1833
01:03:18,670 --> 01:03:19,840
thought your name was Jeanette?

1834
01:03:19,921 --> 01:03:22,171
- No, but--
I did not know this,

1835
01:03:22,257 --> 01:03:25,007
but it makes sense why
he kept calling me "wife" now.

1836
01:03:25,093 --> 01:03:27,353
[laughter]
He kept calling me "wife."

1837
01:03:27,429 --> 01:03:30,179
So now I know.
- Now you understand, Jeanette.

1838
01:03:30,307 --> 01:03:31,677
- To be fair,
he’s bad with names.

1839
01:03:31,808 --> 01:03:33,058
- He’s horrible.
- He’s horrible with names,

1840
01:03:33,184 --> 01:03:34,444
it’s not just her.
- He is, with everyone.

1841
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:36,849
- I can see Olajuwon getting
a tattoo with the wrong name.

1842
01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:38,438
[laughter]

1843
01:03:38,523 --> 01:03:39,613
- Don’t get Jeanette.

1844
01:03:39,691 --> 01:03:41,611
- Too bad they didn’t
give you a wife that rhymes

1845
01:03:41,693 --> 01:03:43,033
with your last name,
it’d make it a lot easier.

1846
01:03:43,153 --> 01:03:44,453
- I know, to make it match.

1847
01:03:44,529 --> 01:03:46,029
- All right. Lindsey, you had

1848
01:03:46,114 --> 01:03:47,704
a lot of amazing things to say

1849
01:03:47,782 --> 01:03:49,202
about your husband
out of the gate.

1850
01:03:49,284 --> 01:03:51,374
Some really great things
while you were

1851
01:03:51,453 --> 01:03:53,583
on the honeymoon,
and then things turned.

1852
01:03:53,705 --> 01:03:55,715
- Yeah.
- Especially the night

1853
01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:57,882
of bowling, things got ugly.

1854
01:03:57,959 --> 01:03:59,379
Let’s watch.

1855
01:03:59,461 --> 01:04:00,711
- You shouldn’t have said that.

1856
01:04:00,795 --> 01:04:01,545
Like, it’s awkward.

1857
01:04:01,671 --> 01:04:02,711
I feel awkward
when you do that.

1858
01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:04,629
- I don’t like
to brush things under the rug.

1859
01:04:04,716 --> 01:04:05,586
- Okay well,
this is a team and if you

1860
01:04:05,717 --> 01:04:06,797
can’t get that,
this isn’t gonna work.

1861
01:04:06,885 --> 01:04:09,105
- I’m not a team for you
when I put my [bleep]

1862
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:11,390
hazmat suit on
and give up a day of work?

1863
01:04:11,473 --> 01:04:13,273
- Okay, I’m good.
I’m good. I’m good.

1864
01:04:13,391 --> 01:04:14,891
- That’s what I thought,
walk away.

1865
01:04:14,976 --> 01:04:15,886
- Okay.
- Call your Mom, see if she

1866
01:04:15,977 --> 01:04:16,847
can let you in tonight.

1867
01:04:16,936 --> 01:04:18,766
- I just can’t,
I can’t do this anymore.

1868
01:04:18,897 --> 01:04:21,817
<i>[tense music]</i>

1869
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:24,900
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1870
01:04:37,999 --> 01:04:39,209
- Oh, wow.

1871
01:04:52,013 --> 01:04:53,973
- Your dad said
that you have a vicious tongue.

1872
01:04:54,099 --> 01:04:55,929
- Mm-hmm.
- Did you go too far?

1873
01:04:56,017 --> 01:04:58,267
- Yeah, I mean,

1874
01:04:58,353 --> 01:05:02,153
I definitely feel bad

1875
01:05:02,273 --> 01:05:05,483
about the delivery of
the things that I was feeling.

1876
01:05:05,610 --> 01:05:08,030
And I think that
I should have probably used

1877
01:05:08,113 --> 01:05:10,993
kinder words
and a kinder message.

1878
01:05:11,116 --> 01:05:12,946
- Yes. Are you working on

1879
01:05:13,034 --> 01:05:15,494
the way and the things you say?

1880
01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:16,620
- Yeah, I am.

1881
01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:19,286
- Because you had
a tendency to go right to,

1882
01:05:19,374 --> 01:05:22,634
"I’m done with him, I hate him,
and here’s the worst things

1883
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:25,460
I can say about him
to humiliate him."

1884
01:05:25,547 --> 01:05:28,127
- Well, he wasn’t there,
and I wasn’t trying to say

1885
01:05:28,216 --> 01:05:30,466
those to him or around him,
I was really just trying

1886
01:05:30,552 --> 01:05:34,142
to, like, bitch
in a corner by myself.

1887
01:05:34,264 --> 01:05:36,974
- Yeah, but you were bitching
to other people.

1888
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:38,640
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1889
01:05:38,726 --> 01:05:41,306
Are you working on figuring out

1890
01:05:41,438 --> 01:05:43,978
how to, in those moments,
be better

1891
01:05:44,065 --> 01:05:45,315
at expressing yourself

1892
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,320
and not being
so tough and vicious?

1893
01:05:48,403 --> 01:05:50,323
- I am. I think, for me,

1894
01:05:50,405 --> 01:05:51,495
and you’ll see it a lot
in the show,

1895
01:05:51,573 --> 01:05:53,743
there’s times where I’m like,
"I need a minute."

1896
01:05:53,825 --> 01:05:56,165
Because when I see red,
I’m just gonna see red.

1897
01:05:56,286 --> 01:05:58,746
In that time,
I let that get the best of me,

1898
01:05:58,830 --> 01:06:01,080
you know, and it’s
a learning process.

1899
01:06:01,166 --> 01:06:03,496
- Mark, what do you
have to say about that?

1900
01:06:03,585 --> 01:06:07,005
- Um, I just think
it’s kind of sad

1901
01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:08,840
that you can see that
and not kind of feel bad

1902
01:06:08,923 --> 01:06:11,343
that’s how you spoke.

1903
01:06:11,426 --> 01:06:13,336
- I just said I felt bad.

1904
01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:16,100
- It didn’t
really sound that way.

1905
01:06:16,181 --> 01:06:19,351
When you feel bad about
something, it comes right out.

1906
01:06:19,434 --> 01:06:21,734
You feel bad.

1907
01:06:21,853 --> 01:06:23,023
I do feel bad.

1908
01:06:23,146 --> 01:06:24,856
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1909
01:06:24,939 --> 01:06:26,899
- You probably should
apologize to him.

1910
01:06:27,025 --> 01:06:29,195
He’s right there.

1911
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:34,869
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1912
01:06:34,949 --> 01:06:36,779
- We were talking
about accountability.

1913
01:06:36,868 --> 01:06:39,038
This is the moment.

1914
01:06:39,162 --> 01:06:43,622
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1915
01:06:47,337 --> 01:06:48,297
<i>[tense music]</i>

1916
01:06:48,379 --> 01:06:49,459
- You probably should
apologize to him.

1917
01:06:49,547 --> 01:06:51,667
He’s right there.

1918
01:06:51,758 --> 01:06:57,178
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1919
01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,223
- We were talking
about accountability.

1920
01:06:59,307 --> 01:07:01,057
This is the moment.

1921
01:07:01,184 --> 01:07:06,234
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1922
01:07:10,109 --> 01:07:13,359
- You know, Mark, I just...

1923
01:07:13,446 --> 01:07:16,196
I’m sorry
that I hurt your feelings.

1924
01:07:16,282 --> 01:07:18,952
And then I just like,

1925
01:07:19,077 --> 01:07:21,867
got so angry, so quickly.

1926
01:07:21,955 --> 01:07:23,215
- Okay.

1927
01:07:23,289 --> 01:07:25,709
- I can’t take it back.

1928
01:07:25,792 --> 01:07:26,922
If I could, I would,

1929
01:07:27,043 --> 01:07:28,673
but I can’t...
- Okay.

1930
01:07:28,753 --> 01:07:30,843
- And I hope
you can accept that.

1931
01:07:30,922 --> 01:07:32,552
- All right.
- Mark, is there anything else

1932
01:07:32,632 --> 01:07:33,882
you need an apology for?

1933
01:07:33,967 --> 01:07:35,587
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1934
01:07:35,718 --> 01:07:39,388
- No, I’m fine.
I don’t--I’m good.

1935
01:07:39,472 --> 01:07:41,892
- No, Mark, speak--speak up.
This is your moment.

1936
01:07:41,975 --> 01:07:43,565
Is there something else
you need an apology for?

1937
01:07:43,643 --> 01:07:44,773
’Cause you guys
are having a moment,

1938
01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:48,064
and you may never be sitting
on a chair together again.

1939
01:07:48,147 --> 01:07:54,237
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1940
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:55,950
- I’m good. I’m good.

1941
01:07:57,699 --> 01:08:00,079
- Here’s what’s happening,
Lindsey.

1942
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:02,449
Mark says you spit on him.
Did you spit on him?

1943
01:08:02,537 --> 01:08:03,747
- No.

1944
01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:05,500
- Mark,
did Lindsey spit on you?

1945
01:08:05,623 --> 01:08:07,423
- She spit on my shirt.

1946
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:10,210
- So she spit on you?
- Mm-hmm.

1947
01:08:10,295 --> 01:08:11,215
- No.

1948
01:08:11,296 --> 01:08:13,086
I--no, I said,
"I want to spit on you,

1949
01:08:13,172 --> 01:08:14,922
but I don’t have spit to spit."
[laughs]

1950
01:08:15,008 --> 01:08:17,798
- I think he’s really hurt
about what he perceives

1951
01:08:17,885 --> 01:08:20,425
as being spit on,
that’s something that hurt him.

1952
01:08:20,513 --> 01:08:21,313
- I’m sure.

1953
01:08:21,389 --> 01:08:22,769
- Well no, he’s hurt.
He’s hurt.

1954
01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:27,479
And let’s all acknowledge
our portion in what went down.

1955
01:08:27,604 --> 01:08:29,444
- It’s okay. If it happened,

1956
01:08:29,522 --> 01:08:31,772
it’s never too late
to say "I’m sorry."

1957
01:08:31,858 --> 01:08:33,188
You are not with him no more.

1958
01:08:33,318 --> 01:08:35,438
You owe him nothing,
except that apology

1959
01:08:35,528 --> 01:08:37,108
if you did that, Linds.
- I understand that.

1960
01:08:37,196 --> 01:08:38,316
- I’m telling you now
as your friend,

1961
01:08:38,406 --> 01:08:40,446
leaving this couch and letting
everybody look at you

1962
01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:43,953
who doesn’t believe you,
it makes you look bad.

1963
01:08:44,037 --> 01:08:45,287
I’m telling you
just ’cause I care.

1964
01:08:45,371 --> 01:08:46,501
For both of you.

1965
01:08:46,623 --> 01:08:48,623
If he feels that way,
at least give him that apology,

1966
01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:50,328
because he was good to you.

1967
01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:51,918
- Yeah, we had some good times.

1968
01:08:52,003 --> 01:08:53,503
- So then--I’m not
gonna say no more, Linds.

1969
01:08:53,588 --> 01:08:55,128
I’m trying to look out for you.

1970
01:08:55,214 --> 01:08:57,174
- You know, Mark...

1971
01:08:59,886 --> 01:09:01,756
I’m sorry.

1972
01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:04,466
I’m sorry in that argument

1973
01:09:04,557 --> 01:09:07,227
that we got into such--
that toxic level.

1974
01:09:07,352 --> 01:09:09,232
I’m sorry if,

1975
01:09:09,354 --> 01:09:12,694
in this, like,
close-contact conversation,

1976
01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:14,145
there was spit
that landed on you,

1977
01:09:14,233 --> 01:09:17,153
because I think
that’s super disrespectful.

1978
01:09:17,236 --> 01:09:19,696
- I think that’s
what hurt the most, you know?

1979
01:09:19,781 --> 01:09:22,161
’Cause I remember it
like it was yesterday.

1980
01:09:22,241 --> 01:09:24,451
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1981
01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:25,485
- Let’s say this.

1982
01:09:25,578 --> 01:09:28,158
At the end of the day,
you apologize.

1983
01:09:28,247 --> 01:09:29,537
Apologize, that’s it.

1984
01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:31,376
All right,
can we switch to a lighter note

1985
01:09:31,459 --> 01:09:33,839
and let’s talk
about the intimacy exercises

1986
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,010
that you all received
from Dr. Viviana.

1987
01:09:36,089 --> 01:09:38,839
Let’s watch how each of you
pushed the boundaries

1988
01:09:38,925 --> 01:09:40,895
with each other.

1989
01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:42,970
- Tell your partner
one intimate fantasy.

1990
01:09:43,054 --> 01:09:47,354
We should...try

1991
01:09:47,433 --> 01:09:51,153
to have sex
in a semi-public place.

1992
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:53,229
[both laughing]

1993
01:09:53,314 --> 01:09:55,574
<i>[sensual music]</i>

1994
01:09:55,692 --> 01:09:57,902
- [giggles]
- [shrieks]

1995
01:09:57,985 --> 01:10:00,235
- [giggling]

1996
01:10:00,363 --> 01:10:03,203
- Is that water--
is that liquor?

1997
01:10:03,282 --> 01:10:05,122
- Press against each other.

1998
01:10:05,243 --> 01:10:08,583
- Michael and I are putting
our hands on each other,

1999
01:10:08,663 --> 01:10:11,423
<i>and it feels good
being, you know,</i>

2000
01:10:11,499 --> 01:10:14,749
<i>close to him and letting him
receive all of me, in a sense.</i>

2001
01:10:14,877 --> 01:10:17,377
- See if you can
hear her heartbeat.

2002
01:10:17,463 --> 01:10:19,383
<i>[soft vocalizing]</i>

2003
01:10:19,465 --> 01:10:21,715
- Oh, my God.

2004
01:10:21,801 --> 01:10:23,181
- [laughs]

2005
01:10:23,261 --> 01:10:25,551
- I can’t even breathe
with this thing on.

2006
01:10:25,638 --> 01:10:30,228
- Mark looks like a pig
in a Polynesian buffet

2007
01:10:30,309 --> 01:10:33,439
that did not quite get
the apple stuffed in his mouth.

2008
01:10:33,563 --> 01:10:36,403
I have to tell you,
I’ve never known that

2009
01:10:36,482 --> 01:10:38,482
this is what sexual attraction
really is.

2010
01:10:38,609 --> 01:10:39,899
- This is it.

2011
01:10:39,986 --> 01:10:40,946
- What the...

2012
01:10:41,028 --> 01:10:42,608
- I don’t know
if we can unsee that, Mark.

2013
01:10:42,739 --> 01:10:44,279
I’m gonna let you explain.

2014
01:10:44,365 --> 01:10:46,235
- I mean, like,
the candy cane thing,

2015
01:10:46,325 --> 01:10:47,615
I was like,
I’m all for it, put it on.

2016
01:10:47,702 --> 01:10:49,622
But like, the ball thing, I was
like, this is just so awkward.

2017
01:10:49,746 --> 01:10:50,786
This isn’t me.
I’m gonna keep this

2018
01:10:50,913 --> 01:10:52,083
on my chin as much as I can.

2019
01:10:52,165 --> 01:10:53,175
But like, candy cane thing?

2020
01:10:53,291 --> 01:10:56,091
Sure. Take off my clothes.
Put it on. Cool.

2021
01:10:56,169 --> 01:10:58,589
- Noi and Steve, did you guys
work everything out?

2022
01:10:58,671 --> 01:11:01,011
- I think--I think we had a...
I think...

2023
01:11:01,132 --> 01:11:02,932
- Did we?
- What now?

2024
01:11:03,009 --> 01:11:05,429
- I won’t say the moment,
but I think

2025
01:11:05,511 --> 01:11:06,931
semi-public is, uh...

2026
01:11:07,013 --> 01:11:09,273
[laughter]

2027
01:11:09,348 --> 01:11:10,268
- Well, now.
- Okay.

2028
01:11:10,349 --> 01:11:11,929
Now we really want to know.

2029
01:11:12,018 --> 01:11:13,268
- It sounds like
you checked that box.

2030
01:11:13,352 --> 01:11:15,312
- Yeah.
- I can’t...

2031
01:11:15,438 --> 01:11:17,188
- Olajuwon.
- Yeah, I mean, that was cool.

2032
01:11:17,315 --> 01:11:18,025
That was lit. I liked it.

2033
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:18,939
I think that was
a big part for us

2034
01:11:19,025 --> 01:11:20,445
because it was like the fir--

2035
01:11:20,526 --> 01:11:22,276
you know, a little building up.

2036
01:11:22,361 --> 01:11:23,901
Yeah, we were just building up.
It was nice.

2037
01:11:23,988 --> 01:11:25,778
- You’re really never at
a loss for words and you can’t

2038
01:11:25,865 --> 01:11:26,825
get a full sentence out
right now.

2039
01:11:26,908 --> 01:11:29,488
- So it was nice. It was nice.
It was fun.

2040
01:11:29,577 --> 01:11:30,617
- All right.

2041
01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:31,793
As you know, the fan base for

2042
01:11:31,871 --> 01:11:34,291
"Married at First Sight,"
they’re very fervent.

2043
01:11:34,373 --> 01:11:36,333
They love this show,
and they watch everything

2044
01:11:36,417 --> 01:11:38,457
that happens and they
love to talk about stuff,

2045
01:11:38,544 --> 01:11:40,634
so we’re gonna read
a few tweets that came in.

2046
01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:42,673
Let y’all answer,
just a little fun.

2047
01:11:42,757 --> 01:11:44,427
- Here we go.
- Okay.

2048
01:11:44,509 --> 01:11:46,799
One person said,
"You would have thought Noi

2049
01:11:46,886 --> 01:11:49,676
"said she killed somebody
by the way Steve looked at her

2050
01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:52,136
when she said she
didn’t want to go camping."

2051
01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:53,485
- [laughs]
[laughter]

2052
01:11:53,559 --> 01:11:55,519
- One thing that I really love

2053
01:11:55,603 --> 01:11:57,813
is to find
a campground on the ocean.

2054
01:11:57,897 --> 01:11:58,807
- Mm-hmm.

2055
01:11:58,898 --> 01:12:00,318
- ’Cause you wake up
out of your tent

2056
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:02,069
and you’re just already there.

2057
01:12:02,193 --> 01:12:04,113
- I don’t like to camp.

2058
01:12:04,195 --> 01:12:07,165
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

2059
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,490
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2060
01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:09,994
[laughter]

2061
01:12:10,076 --> 01:12:11,156
- Were you actually bummed,
Steve?

2062
01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:12,334
- You know,
it was unfortunate

2063
01:12:12,411 --> 01:12:13,831
to learn that my wife wasn’t

2064
01:12:13,913 --> 01:12:15,163
into the same hobbies as I was.

2065
01:12:15,248 --> 01:12:18,668
- Since you’re in the hot seat
right now, let’s keep going.

2066
01:12:18,751 --> 01:12:22,001
We finally discovered one
of Steve’s quirks, LED lights.

2067
01:12:22,088 --> 01:12:23,458
- [laughs]

2068
01:12:23,548 --> 01:12:24,798
- Hey.
- Is that real?

2069
01:12:24,882 --> 01:12:25,672
What’s the deal with that?

2070
01:12:25,758 --> 01:12:28,138
Explain.
- He loves LED lights.

2071
01:12:28,219 --> 01:12:31,509
- We got some other
settings here, like party mode.

2072
01:12:31,597 --> 01:12:32,717
<i>[upbeat dance music]</i>

2073
01:12:32,807 --> 01:12:34,677
[laughs]

2074
01:12:34,767 --> 01:12:36,517
- He has them in his car too.

2075
01:12:36,602 --> 01:12:37,812
I just want
to let everyone know.

2076
01:12:37,895 --> 01:12:38,725
- Whoa.
- He has them in his car.

2077
01:12:38,813 --> 01:12:39,813
- You get in,
you can look down,

2078
01:12:39,897 --> 01:12:40,857
and they’re underneath
each seat.

2079
01:12:40,940 --> 01:12:42,070
- He’s trying to set the mood.

2080
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:43,069
- Okay. All right, all right.

2081
01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:44,530
Olajuwon,
you know the fans watch

2082
01:12:44,610 --> 01:12:45,530
everything on this show.

2083
01:12:45,611 --> 01:12:47,861
I mean, like they
zoom in on everything.

2084
01:12:47,947 --> 01:12:50,567
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Here’s a specific message.

2085
01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:53,240
"What is that stain
on Olajuwon’s drawers?

2086
01:12:53,327 --> 01:12:55,367
"He wore these on,
not only his wedding day,

2087
01:12:55,454 --> 01:12:58,544
"but on camera,
and he has the nerve to think

2088
01:12:58,624 --> 01:13:00,384
"he can make demands
of his new wife?

2089
01:13:00,459 --> 01:13:03,339
I think Katina needs
to get out ASAP."

2090
01:13:03,421 --> 01:13:07,011
<i>[upbeat music]</i>

2091
01:13:07,091 --> 01:13:09,761
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

2092
01:13:09,886 --> 01:13:11,886
- I’m happy.
I want to bring that part up.

2093
01:13:11,971 --> 01:13:14,561
- Let’s clear the air!
- Let’s clear the air.

2094
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,100
So, Kev, what happened was,
I had a pen earlier,

2095
01:13:17,184 --> 01:13:19,734
I had to sign a paper,
and I had a pen in my pocket.

2096
01:13:19,812 --> 01:13:22,562
And I was so excited
picking up my wife that day...

2097
01:13:22,648 --> 01:13:23,438
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2098
01:13:23,566 --> 01:13:24,936
- It actually broke
in my pocket.

2099
01:13:25,026 --> 01:13:27,526
So when I took off my pants
and do my Superman jump

2100
01:13:27,612 --> 01:13:30,072
on the bed,
it looked like I had a little

2101
01:13:30,156 --> 01:13:31,736
[bleep] stain on it,
but that wasn’t it.

2102
01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:33,084
That is not the cause,
I mean case.

2103
01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:34,079
That is not the case.

2104
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,200
It was ink on my pocket.

2105
01:13:35,286 --> 01:13:37,406
- All right, Mark the Shark,
next one’s for you.

2106
01:13:37,496 --> 01:13:40,416
"I can’t believe I’m saying
this, but I agree with Lindsey.

2107
01:13:40,499 --> 01:13:42,459
"Mark is full of [bleep].

2108
01:13:42,543 --> 01:13:44,803
"Why have sex with her,
then tell her

2109
01:13:44,879 --> 01:13:47,419
you want to take things slow?"

2110
01:13:47,506 --> 01:13:49,716
- Holy [bleep],
like, this is a lot.

2111
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,140
Which is great.

2112
01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:53,258
I want to, like,
go slow in the process.

2113
01:13:53,346 --> 01:13:54,716
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2114
01:13:54,805 --> 01:13:56,805
<i>- I’m just, like,
frustrated and mad.</i>

2115
01:13:56,891 --> 01:13:59,311
Like, why would you plan
a romantic dinner with me

2116
01:13:59,393 --> 01:14:01,103
and then say,
"I want to pull back"?

2117
01:14:01,187 --> 01:14:03,187
Are we done yet?

2118
01:14:03,314 --> 01:14:05,824
Cause there’s zero romance,
and I’m ready for bed.

2119
01:14:05,942 --> 01:14:07,482
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2120
01:14:07,568 --> 01:14:10,448
- "Oh, those are
mm-something tactics.

2121
01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:13,989
Mark my words, that was
the end of their relationship."

2122
01:14:14,116 --> 01:14:15,116
- Mm.

2123
01:14:15,201 --> 01:14:16,451
- Somebody went hard.

2124
01:14:16,535 --> 01:14:18,285
- I mean, it was just,
for me, things

2125
01:14:18,371 --> 01:14:21,291
had started off fast
and things got bumpy

2126
01:14:21,374 --> 01:14:23,134
a little bit on the honeymoon,
and I wanted to build more

2127
01:14:23,209 --> 01:14:25,129
of an emotional connection
with Lindsey.

2128
01:14:25,211 --> 01:14:28,131
So I thought it would be good
to just be open

2129
01:14:28,214 --> 01:14:29,804
and honest with her
where I was at.

2130
01:14:29,882 --> 01:14:31,682
- Mm-hmm. After y’all had sex?

2131
01:14:31,759 --> 01:14:33,969
- Yeah.
- Yeah. Well, yeah.

2132
01:14:34,053 --> 01:14:36,763
- After we spent the day flying
kites and having massages.

2133
01:14:36,847 --> 01:14:37,677
Yeah.

2134
01:14:37,807 --> 01:14:39,137
- All right,
how about this one?

2135
01:14:39,225 --> 01:14:41,485
"Every time Jasmina says,
’Now, Michael...’

2136
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,850
Oh, she’s not for play-play."

2137
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:45,810
- I was not yelling at you.

2138
01:14:45,898 --> 01:14:47,108
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2139
01:14:47,191 --> 01:14:48,651
- Now, Michael...

2140
01:14:48,734 --> 01:14:50,994
we’re not about to do this.

2141
01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:53,110
- She is going
to be one of those moms

2142
01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:55,487
that puts the fear of God
in her future kids

2143
01:14:55,574 --> 01:14:56,664
with only a few words.

2144
01:14:56,742 --> 01:14:59,202
What was the "Now, Michael--"
you know that time.

2145
01:14:59,328 --> 01:15:01,998
- It’s, his comment
was kind of like a shock to me.

2146
01:15:02,081 --> 01:15:03,041
It’s almost like--[gasp]

2147
01:15:03,124 --> 01:15:05,674
Now, Michael,
you know that didn’t happen.

2148
01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:07,541
- Michael,
how did that make you feel?

2149
01:15:07,628 --> 01:15:09,838
- It made me feel like
I was one of her students.

2150
01:15:09,922 --> 01:15:12,422
- That was the only time
I said it, though.

2151
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:13,880
- Still.
- That’s okay.

2152
01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:14,840
It was
a pretty significant moment.

2153
01:15:14,927 --> 01:15:17,347
It was a significant moment,
I mean...

2154
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:20,390
People remembered it.
I mean, they went in on it.

2155
01:15:24,061 --> 01:15:25,271
- All right,
so we’ve talked about the drama

2156
01:15:25,396 --> 01:15:27,726
and all the sexy moments,
but can we also talk about

2157
01:15:27,815 --> 01:15:30,235
all the fun you guys had?

2158
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:32,569
And we’re gonna show
some bloopers right now

2159
01:15:32,695 --> 01:15:33,575
and some moments that, um...

2160
01:15:33,696 --> 01:15:34,736
- Yeah.

2161
01:15:34,822 --> 01:15:36,072
- From time
that you guys spent together.

2162
01:15:36,198 --> 01:15:39,738
I mean, I guess you’re ready.
Steve’s ready.

2163
01:15:39,827 --> 01:15:40,907
Here are the bloopers.

2164
01:15:40,995 --> 01:15:43,585
<i>[upbeat music]
</i>- [snorting]

2165
01:15:43,706 --> 01:15:46,576
- We got a lot of personalities
here that are not shy.

2166
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:49,089
- One.
- One.

2167
01:15:49,170 --> 01:15:51,630
- Two.
- Here we go, baby.

2168
01:15:51,756 --> 01:15:54,256
- [groans]
- [laughs]

2169
01:15:54,341 --> 01:15:56,261
- I don’t know how to do this.
[laughs]

2170
01:15:56,343 --> 01:15:58,603
- Just open wide.

2171
01:15:58,679 --> 01:15:59,929
- Cats and candy.

2172
01:16:00,056 --> 01:16:02,016
[laughs]

2173
01:16:02,099 --> 01:16:03,269
- I just hold the balls.

2174
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:05,600
- [laughing]

2175
01:16:05,686 --> 01:16:07,436
- Grow up.

2176
01:16:07,521 --> 01:16:08,481
No, I just hold the ball
in my--

2177
01:16:08,606 --> 01:16:10,606
[laughs]

2178
01:16:10,691 --> 01:16:12,111
- Hey!

2179
01:16:12,193 --> 01:16:13,783
- The group
has a lot of energy.

2180
01:16:13,861 --> 01:16:15,611
- Okay, knock it off!

2181
01:16:15,738 --> 01:16:17,778
You’re a nutcase.
I’m getting dizzy.

2182
01:16:17,865 --> 01:16:18,875
Stop, stop, stop, stop.

2183
01:16:18,949 --> 01:16:20,279
- [shriek]
- I need help!

2184
01:16:20,367 --> 01:16:21,617
[laughter]

2185
01:16:21,702 --> 01:16:22,952
- [shrieks]
Alyssa!

2186
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:24,619
- Alyssa!

2187
01:16:24,705 --> 01:16:27,785
- We have a lot of wicked,
organic good times.

2188
01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:30,465
[chuckling]

2189
01:16:30,544 --> 01:16:32,714
[both laughing]

2190
01:16:32,797 --> 01:16:34,007
- [giggling]

2191
01:16:34,131 --> 01:16:37,301
<i>[upbeat music]</i>

2192
01:16:37,384 --> 01:16:38,894
[sticks clatter]

2193
01:16:39,804 --> 01:16:42,814
[laughter]

2194
01:16:42,890 --> 01:16:44,310
- [laughing]

2195
01:16:44,391 --> 01:16:46,311
- Katina, you cannot do that!

2196
01:16:46,393 --> 01:16:48,483
- Is she tackling people?

2197
01:16:48,562 --> 01:16:50,152
<i>- It was fun to build
these memories together.</i>

2198
01:16:50,231 --> 01:16:53,321
<i>We’ve just been laughing
and literally dancing,</i>

2199
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,480
<i>which I think
is my favorite part,</i>

2200
01:16:54,568 --> 01:16:57,648
<i>just watching everybody
</i> <i>dance to the music.</i>

2201
01:16:57,738 --> 01:16:58,488
<i>It’s pretty funny.</i>

2202
01:16:58,572 --> 01:17:00,322
- Marriage is hard, on three.

2203
01:17:00,407 --> 01:17:01,657
all: One, two, three,

2204
01:17:01,784 --> 01:17:03,334
marriage is hard!

2205
01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:06,912
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2206
01:17:06,997 --> 01:17:07,997
- That’s it.

2207
01:17:08,124 --> 01:17:09,004
- Deuces.

2208
01:17:09,083 --> 01:17:10,833
[laughter]

2209
01:17:10,918 --> 01:17:12,338
- I mean, you see that,
and, I mean,

2210
01:17:12,419 --> 01:17:13,879
while this was
a hard experience,

2211
01:17:14,004 --> 01:17:16,674
there were some
really great times, right?

2212
01:17:16,757 --> 01:17:18,507
- Yeah, and we--we all

2213
01:17:18,592 --> 01:17:21,512
probably experienced
a lot of firsts together too,

2214
01:17:21,595 --> 01:17:22,925
with just,
you know, activities.

2215
01:17:23,013 --> 01:17:24,683
And I had so much fun
with you guys.

2216
01:17:24,765 --> 01:17:27,175
- There’s always pros and cons
in a relationship,

2217
01:17:27,268 --> 01:17:31,358
but I’m thankful I came here,
met a bunch of strangers

2218
01:17:31,438 --> 01:17:34,938
and you guys became my friends
and then became my sisters

2219
01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:36,185
and then became my brothers.

2220
01:17:36,277 --> 01:17:38,697
And I’m thankful, and I think
it helped my marriage.

2221
01:17:38,779 --> 01:17:40,859
- You know what? Look, for
the couples that are married,

2222
01:17:40,948 --> 01:17:43,528
this is fantastic, and this is
what this experiment is about.

2223
01:17:43,659 --> 01:17:45,079
And you can walk away
with someone

2224
01:17:45,202 --> 01:17:47,542
that you fall in love with
for the rest of your life,

2225
01:17:47,621 --> 01:17:48,871
and that’s beautiful.

2226
01:17:48,956 --> 01:17:50,866
And for the rest of you,
you’ve learned

2227
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,710
an amazing lesson,

2228
01:17:52,793 --> 01:17:55,463
and you can take that
into your next relationship.

2229
01:17:55,546 --> 01:17:58,796
So thank you all for coming
and talking about everything.

2230
01:17:58,883 --> 01:18:02,553
And we talked about everything
from this season in Boston.

2231
01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:04,888
But here’s something
I’m very excited about.

2232
01:18:04,972 --> 01:18:06,472
For the first time,
"Married at First Sight"

2233
01:18:06,557 --> 01:18:07,717
is coming to the West Coast.

2234
01:18:07,808 --> 01:18:08,768
- What?
- Here’s a taste

2235
01:18:08,893 --> 01:18:14,153
of what’s to come
from season 15 in San Diego.

2236
01:18:14,231 --> 01:18:15,901
<i>- Here we are in San Diego.</i>

2237
01:18:15,983 --> 01:18:18,653
<i>We got surfers,
we got beach people.</i>

2238
01:18:18,736 --> 01:18:21,406
I really think there’s
an outstanding group here.

2239
01:18:21,488 --> 01:18:23,818
- It seems like, every season,
it gets better and better.

2240
01:18:23,908 --> 01:18:25,578
Okay.
- I hope we can find her

2241
01:18:25,659 --> 01:18:26,909
a husband.
I think she’s great.

2242
01:18:27,036 --> 01:18:28,036
- I’m surprised he’s single.

2243
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,250
- Well, let’s see if we
can make him not-single.

2244
01:18:30,331 --> 01:18:31,251
[laughs]

2245
01:18:31,332 --> 01:18:33,252
- I want to get married
at first sight

2246
01:18:33,375 --> 01:18:36,835
because dating is so damn hard
in San Diego.

2247
01:18:36,921 --> 01:18:39,261
- I guess I just, like,
choose the wrong guys.

2248
01:18:39,340 --> 01:18:41,090
- What brings me here today
is to find love,

2249
01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:42,685
to find my wife.

2250
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:43,760
- I want to find true love.

2251
01:18:43,886 --> 01:18:46,926
- It seems so basic
but also so hard to find.

2252
01:18:47,014 --> 01:18:48,434
- In two weeks,
you’re getting married.

2253
01:18:48,515 --> 01:18:49,265
- [shrieks]
<i>- You know what?</i>

2254
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:51,440
You are engaged.
- Oh, my God.

2255
01:18:51,518 --> 01:18:53,768
- You are engaged
to be married.

2256
01:18:53,854 --> 01:18:54,774
[cork pops]
- Ooh!

2257
01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:55,935
- Girl, this is real!

2258
01:18:56,023 --> 01:18:57,943
You are a fiancé, dude.
- Dang!

2259
01:18:58,025 --> 01:18:58,945
- Here’s to marriage.
And love.

2260
01:18:59,026 --> 01:19:00,936
- [sobs]
I need a tissue.

2261
01:19:01,028 --> 01:19:03,608
<i>[uplifting music]</i>

2262
01:19:03,697 --> 01:19:07,367
<i>- I’ve always dreamed about
being a bride, being a wife.</i>

2263
01:19:07,451 --> 01:19:09,541
<i>- I am a romantic.
I want to be in love.</i>

2264
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:11,460
<i>I want to be someone’s man.</i>

2265
01:19:11,538 --> 01:19:14,618
<i>- It would mean the entire
world to me to have a partner</i>

2266
01:19:14,708 --> 01:19:17,628
<i>to share this
incredible journey with.</i>

2267
01:19:17,711 --> 01:19:20,671
<i>- If my marriage
lasts a lifetime,</i>

2268
01:19:20,798 --> 01:19:21,968
<i>I’m gonna feel whole.</i>

2269
01:19:22,049 --> 01:19:23,299
<i>I believe this is it.</i>

2270
01:19:23,384 --> 01:19:24,634
<i>The time is now.</i>

2271
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,300
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2272
01:19:26,387 --> 01:19:27,967
- Wow.
[laughter]

2273
01:19:28,055 --> 01:19:29,815
- By the way,
this season isn’t over yet,

2274
01:19:29,932 --> 01:19:32,062
because we are heading
back to Boston next week

2275
01:19:32,142 --> 01:19:34,022
for the "Where Are They Now?"
special.

2276
01:19:34,144 --> 01:19:36,814
We’ll get to see
how everyone has been living

2277
01:19:36,897 --> 01:19:38,977
since Decision Day,
and with that, though,

2278
01:19:39,066 --> 01:19:40,226
we have reached the end

2279
01:19:40,317 --> 01:19:44,737
of the "Married at First Sight"
season 14 Boston reunion.

2280
01:19:44,822 --> 01:19:45,992
I’m Kevin Frazier.

2281
01:19:46,073 --> 01:19:47,663
Good night, everybody.

2282
01:19:48,659 --> 01:19:51,659
<i>- Next time,
on "Where Are They Now?"</i>

2283
01:19:51,745 --> 01:19:55,325
<i>We’ll catch up
with the entire Boston cast.</i>

2284
01:19:55,457 --> 01:19:56,917
- You’re more fit than I am!

2285
01:19:57,001 --> 01:19:58,671
- Stop, you’re making me blush.

2286
01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:01,424
- I feel like
it’s really my time to move on

2287
01:20:01,505 --> 01:20:03,335
and be a good person.
[laughs]

2288
01:20:03,424 --> 01:20:04,844
- There’s somebody
that I’m talking to.

2289
01:20:04,925 --> 01:20:05,875
- Oh!
- Oh!

2290
01:20:06,010 --> 01:20:07,510
- You guys probably
actually know who she is.

2291
01:20:07,636 --> 01:20:08,506
- Oh.

2292
01:20:08,595 --> 01:20:11,175
<i>- To see
how their lives have changed</i>

2293
01:20:11,265 --> 01:20:14,685
<i>since the cameras went away
</i> <i>after Decision Day.</i>

2294
01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:17,190
Here she is. So she flew up--
- Crashin’ y’all’s party.

2295
01:20:17,313 --> 01:20:19,193
<i>- I haven’t been on a date
</i> <i>in a long time.</i>

2296
01:20:19,273 --> 01:20:21,363
- Oh, I got one in!
- You got one in!

2297
01:20:21,442 --> 01:20:23,362
- Hey!
- Fancy seeing you here.

2298
01:20:23,444 --> 01:20:24,534
- How are you?
- How are you?

2299
01:20:24,653 --> 01:20:26,283
all: Pizza! Pizza!

2300
01:20:26,363 --> 01:20:29,033
- One or two kids is easy,
but three is a lot.

2301
01:20:29,116 --> 01:20:31,536
- I don’t know what you respect

2302
01:20:31,618 --> 01:20:33,038
or what you want me
to do about it.

2303
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,370
- Right now,
I don’t know either.

2304
01:20:34,455 --> 01:20:37,715
- I need to feel confident
that you’re not gonna attack me

2305
01:20:37,791 --> 01:20:39,461
and you’re not gonna talk
behind my back.

2306
01:20:39,543 --> 01:20:41,213
- As your friend,
you think that I deserved that?

2307
01:20:41,337 --> 01:20:42,707
- Yes. I was hurt.

2308
01:20:42,796 --> 01:20:44,206
I felt played.
- [laughing] What?

2309
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:47,800
<i>♪ ♪</i>