This program me contains strong language, includes discussion
of rape, strong language, and sexual content that some may find upsetting
DOG BARKS RUSTLING
MAN SNIFFS
I am walking the streets, and I've got a flashlight on.
Pretty drunk.
Car, get out of my way.
Who parks their car in my way?
FOX BARKS
Look! Look at this.
Lions, tigers and bears, oh, my.
DANCE MUSIC PLAYS NEARBY
MAN LAUGHS WOMAN:
I'm not...
As door staff, we see the worst in everyone.
People are out there lying, drinking, cheating.
If there was ever a worst side of anyone, we see it.
WOMAN:
MAN:
I'm not... I'm not looking. Can you just turn round, please?
There are certain men that prey on drunk girls -
the predator-type men.
A lot of them go unreported. No-one says anything
because they don't want to go through that trauma again.
INAUDIBLE
# Running in circles
# Run away, run away, run away... #
It's crucial that we find the truth.
Police! Police!
Hands behind your back.
Got to question everything. Believe nobody.
It's almost a game of chess. Try and get them to slip up.
This is your opportunity to talk to me.
Bedfordshire Police respond to an allegation of rape in a dark alley.
424 arrival.
2-4 thank you.
What's happened?
WOMAN SOBBING I don't want...
Can you tell me what's happened?
Do you want to tell me in private? WOMAN SOBS
Come on, do you want to come back into my police van?
I'll come with you, and then, just tell her what you told me.
And then, it's nice and warm out of the rain.
Right, what's happened?
OK, yes, we went out, we'd had a really fun night.
Yeah? And...
...I don't remember. Where was you walking from? This way?
I don't know what's going on, cos I'm drunk.
OK. Listen, all they want to know is what happened to you.
I can't remember, but it's...
...it's when this...
...just forcing...in my mouth.
Forcing what in?
Penis in my mouth. I know I have been raped, yeah.
SHE SOBS
She came to the front door, tried to come in.
She said, "I need to talk to you, I need you to help me.
"There's something happened up the alley."
So we came up here. I said, "What's happened."
She started crying, crying, crying,
"I need help. He raped me up the alley. He raped me."
Then she said, "He put his thing in my mouth."
This alley? Apparently so.
Oi, excuse me, guys. Sorry. Just come back.
What's happened down there? We don't know yet.
Right. I'm going to wander around the back, OK?
ON RADIO: Go ahead, 429.
Oi.
Excuse me. Oi!
I've literally been round the back. As I'm putting the cordon up,
some tall white male with a blue parka and a hoodie
has come out of the shadows. Yeah. He's avoided me and he's disappeared
and come out by the taxi ranks, and he's gone. Oh. A blue parka?
I can check our scanner to see if we had anyone in like that. Yeah.
Big - like, taller than me, I'd say.
The description they're passing
is somebody that I've just seen run away from me.
Yeah, that's the guy that I saw.
They said they've just seen that on CCTV.
SIRENS WAIL
With a possible sighting of the suspect near the scene,
multiple units begin a search.
Alpha-Delta Two. Yeah, we're just looping around,
then we're going to come back down.
Hello, are you OK? Are you OK?
Excuse me.
Yeah.
You got anything in any pockets at all?
No, I've got tobacco.
Ah, OK, couple of spliffs? Yeah.
I haven't got a torch. Have a look at that.
We're with what I believe is the male from that CCTV footage.
Have you got that picture? Let me get it on mine.
Yeah. Yeah. Let's have a look. I'm confident. Yeah, 100%.
Unfortunately, at the moment we're going to have to bring you in.
You match the description of an image that's been sent to us
that I believe might be yourself. Yeah.
You're under arrest on suspicion of rape. On suspicion of rape?
On suspicion of rape. You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned
something which you later rely on in court.
Anything you do say may be given in evidence.
Yeah, come through.
A 24-year-old man is brought into Luton custody
under arrest on suspicion of rape.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just need to speak to SOCA
about whether or not forensics have been authorised.
So, this item is yet to be uploaded.
DC Shona Birkby and DC Chris Murphy from
the Rape and Serious Sexual Of fences Unit begin their investigation.
So this morning, we've come in to a job
where a victim has been found by door staff crying uncontrollably,
and saying she's been raped in the alleyway.
Just on the basis of what we've got at the moment,
it appears to be a stranger rape.
I've dealt with more investigations that have been rapes involving
people they know than I have stranger rapes.
It does provoke a fear in the public
because it's almost as if that could be me, that could be anybody.
He was found a four-minute walk away from the scene.
What's he hanging around for?
As they say, offenders like to see what's going on. Watch, yeah.
There is a bit of pressure, because you have to look at the risk
to not only the victim, but the wider community.
Doesn't look like he's got any previous.
It could be that he's been there and someone else is down the alleyway
and, you know, someone else has raped her.
It'll be interesting to see what he's got to say.
If you are genuinely innocent,
rape is not an of fence you want to be arrested for, is it?
Nope. Nope, nope, nope.
Right, shall we watch this body-worn, then?
VIDEO: What's happened? Do you want me to come with you
and we'll speak to this lady? WOMAN SOBS
Do you want to come back into my police van?
I'll come with you, and then, I'll help you.
She's absolutely devastated, isn't she?
Distraught. Yeah.
ON VIDEO: Then it's nice and warm out of the rain.
Tell her what you told me, OK?
Yeah, I literally fell and my mouth was raped. Then...
And then like "Oh, my God, oh, my God." Now I'm like...
I'm making that as sort of moving her head around,
trying to get away from it.
WOMAN SOBS
Oh, bless her.
I know I have been raped, yeah. I have been raped, yeah.
If you have a swab done straight away,
then you can go home and have a shower or bath, or whatever,
and then, you'll feel a lot better. Yeah.
Yeah, security guard's done really well.
Just fantastic. She's built up a really good rapport with her
and stayed with her. She could have just left her.
It's brilliant - to think about not giving her something to drink,
as well, bearing in mind she says she's been orally raped is
just spot-on forensically.
Oral rape is still rape.
Just touching the lips of someone's mouth with their penis is rape.
It doesn't have to last a while.
That person doesn't have to ejaculate.
It's still as serious as vaginal rape,
and it can carry up to a life sentence.
Hello, Loui. Hello.
Would you be able come to the custody desk, sorry,
just so we can talk about intimate samples? Yeah.
Is that all right, mate?
Cool. My name's Chris,
and I'll be one of the interviewing officers, all right?
Hello, sir.
You are down to have swabs taken from your genitalia area. Yeah.
Do you consent? Yeah, yeah, I consent, yeah.
Is there any way I could do the urine sample very soon?
Cos I need to go to the toilet,
and I didn't want to, cos I haven't done anything wrong at all.
Yeah. If you can sign again. Yeah.
Yeah, as soon as you go in the room,
if you say, "Can I do the urine sample first?"
You been holding it the whole time? Yeah, I've been holding it, yeah,
cos I haven't done anything wrong. I want this to be... Yeah.
The earlier we get our forensic samples,
the better for our investigation.
He hasn't washed, he hasn't had a chance to get changed
from the clothing he was wearing,
and this gives us the best chance of recovering forensics.
The only way we can prove that something's happened is
with the forensics. Absolutely.
And if his DNA comes back on her clothing,
or her DNA comes back on his clothing,
he's got to give some form of explanation as to why that is.
I've been on the Rape and Serious Sexual Of fences team
for a year-and-a-half now.
When I moved onto the department
and I realised just how many reports we get,
it really highlighted the dangers that are out there.
Less than 1% of reported rapes lead to a conviction.
It's not right.
We should be doing more to increase our conviction rates.
If I don't investigate this crime completely,
it just won't get to court,
and I won't do the victim the justice that she deserves.
And there is no place for victim blaming
when it comes to investigations of this kind.
I have to see what he says in interview, really,
but I really want to see the CCTV.
So, if we can put him there and we can say that's him in the alleyway,
that's the first step. The second step is
can we prove that a sexual of fence has taken place?
Let's go see what he has to say.
We can always go in for a further interview this evening.
We've got plenty of time on the clock.
I don't think he got into custody until about 2.30, 3am this morning,
so we've got a bit of time.
You all right, Loui?
Are we ready to go for interview? Your solicitor's here.
Do you want a water or anything before we go in? Yes.
Yeah? we'll take you through and then we'll go grab one, all right?
I want to know where that suspect's been that night,
at what point he came into town,
what he did while he was in town, if he approached anybody,
does his account match up with what the victim is saying?
There'll be a loud noise, and that'll be the start.
LONG TONE
We are in Interview Room 5 at Luton Police Station.
I am Shona Birkby.
I'm a detective on the Rape and Serious Sexual Of fences Team,
so I'm going to be interviewing you today,
and I'm taking into consideration you're obviously really upset.
Yeah, very. OK? When was the last time you had something to eat?
Er...two days ago, maybe.
Have you had anything to eat while you've been in custody? No.
I can't eat... I can't eat during this. OK, all right.
You've got some water. Yeah. Al right.
We can get you some water at any point, all right?
So you've been arrested for rape,
and it's my intention to ask you about this of fence
in order to prove or disprove your involvement.
So in your own time, tell me about the of fences
for which you've been arrested for.
So, last night? Yeah. I was walking around in the town centre,
I was smoking. Is that something you...?
Yeah, I do that, yeah, yeah.
I don't have friends down here. OK.
Like, it's just the way of me to be myself, you know,
just to get some space to myself, if you know what I mean,
just to breathe. Yeah, OK.
And...] had seen her,
and she was looking for her bag, so I approached her.
I've asked if she was OK. She said, "Hey, you OK?" I said, "Yeah.
"Do you need a light?" So I've got a light on my phone.
And she said, "No, no, I'm waiting for friends," all her friends.
I said, "Oh, OK, I'm sorry," and then, I walked off.
Mm-hm. Have you ever met this woman before?
No, I've never seen her in my life. Never seen her before? No, no, no.
OK. And how did she appear to you?
Oh, she was... She was drunk, but she wasn't like... Yeah.
HE IMITATES DRUNK SLURRING You know?
And she was still conversing with me. OK.
Erm... So the rape of fence, then - she has come out and she said,
"He's put his penis into my mouth.”
Did you rape... No. ..this young lady? No.
OK, so you're saying, no, you didn't rape her. No, no.
Did you put your penis into her mouth... No. ..without her consent?
Did you put your penis into her mouth with consent?
No. That's why I was so eager to give all my DNA.
Yeah. And I wouldn't do anything like that.
Will we find any of her DNA on any of your swabs?
No. OK. How sure are you of that?
100%. You will not find her DNA on my clothes.
OK. She's saying you've orally raped her.
I haven't.
So what steps did you take to see if she was consenting?
I haven't... I haven't... orally raped her.
But that's not my question.
You're asking for consent for something that I haven't done. OK.
So how do I answer that? I haven't.
So, what's this one? Is this the town centre CCTV?
Well, that's... Yeah, yeah. That's at the pub. OK.
Police have received CCTV from the town centre
on the night of the incident.
So I think that's her up there.
Yeah, that is her.
There's our suspect there, just popped out.
He walks up there.
She then goes to sit down.
He then walks over to her, looking at her,
gets his phone straight out...
...does something with his torch.
Walks back over to the alleyway where he's just come out of.
So, this is where they don't let her in.
There he is.
Looks over at her, walks back down the path.
With him circling round, that's quite important.
I think he's just wanting to keep an eye on her. Yeah... Yeah.
He's had a phone in his hand as well, the whole time.
And she stumbles down there, the door staff's looking.
What's...? And he... He starts running.
Oh, yeah! SHE GASPS
Oh, my God!
I can't believe that.
So, at 01.36,
I just want to know for sure how long she was in that alleyway for.
No-one else goes in the alleyway,
no-one else comes out of that alleyway. No-one else goes in.
| think it's about six minutes that she's in there.
That's enough time, isn't it? Yeah.
Then when she does come out... There. 01... 42:009.
01:42:09. And then, he pops out again in a minute.
There we go. He's watching them, isn't he?
He's like, "Shit!" He's gone, "She'll telling them."” Yeah.
And he's running. Yeah.
Council footage that shows the other end of that alleyway... Right.
...and you see him walking off.
Quite casually as well. Like nothing's ever happened.
Not bad evidence, though, is it? Yeah.
I don't think there's anyone else about.
He would have seen that she's on her own, she's drunk.
Why then follow a vulnerable intoxicated woman into an alleyway?
It feels extremely predatory.
It's just... Yeah. And we have got that time.
OK.
Are you ready to start?
OK. So, we just need to go back over everything again
just for the time being all right?
I'm going to show you SB1, OK,
and this is an image that was taken from CCTV.
Just have a look at that image for me. Is that you in that image?
That's me, yeah. OK. All right, thank you.
So you were walking around, not going anywhere.
No, no, I'm just strolling, literally just... OK.
And you've seen her go into the alleyway.
She ran into the alleyway, yeah. She ran into the alleyway. Yeah. OK.
How have you entered the alleyway?
By walking. So you've walked into the alleyway? Yeah. OK.
Did you know that there was CCTV all around there?
No. You didn't know that. OK.
Just watch the bottom here for me.
So I believe that this is you walking down the street, OK?
And she is now just going into the alleyway, OK?
Just watch the bottom here for me.
So did you see that? Yeah.
So you've crossed over. Mm-hm.
And how did you go into the alleyway?
Pretty quick. Like a jog. A jog?
Yeah. So you didn't walk? No. OK.
Why have you gone into the alleyway?
I've crossed the road at first... OK.
...and then I've seen her crouch in the alleyway.
So you've gone in there with the intention
of seeing what she's up to?
Basically, yeah.
I wanted to see if she was urinating or not, yeah.
OK.
Intention was to go and see if she was urinating.
Once you're in there and she's urinating,
what's your intention then?
Just to watch.
It turns you on?
Watching it, yeah. Watching what?
Just her urinating, that's all.
Which is wrong, disgusting, and I'm sorry,
but I want to be truthful because I don't want to...
...I don't want to get...
You don't understand, I want... I don't want this. Yeah.
Um...
Just pause the interview for a second?
Yeah, of course we can, yeah.
Right, one second.
All right, thank you, cheers.
Is Paul there?
Well, this is more important than his cheese and ham sandwich.
Oh. Hello, how are you?
So, we've got CCTV.
He literally runs after her into the alleyway.
He could see her urinating, because it turned him on.
Do we have enough to prove a rape at the minute?
No, but forensics may assist in that.
Yeah, no worries.
What's going on?
Paul doesn't think we've got enough to remand, we need more.
PHONE RINGS
Good afternoon, RASSO, Shona speaking, can I help?
Hello, Shona, it's Caz from CID, you all right?
Yeah, I'm fine how are you? Not too bad, thank you.
So, basically we managed to get into the suspect's phone.
Yeah. There is a three-minute-long video,
and literally on there you've got a female who's,
looks like she's urinating.
Can I come down and view that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cheers, thanks a lot, bye-bye.
So, 01.39, he's created a three-minute video.
Yeah. She's already on the floor and he sort of goes up to her,
and throughout the whole clip, he is filming.
Huh?
So she doesn't know she's being videoed.
So he's offering her money.
I mean, obviously he's...
I'm absolutely shocked at that.
I don't actually... Didn't expect that.
It's just... It's made me feel a bit sick, if I'm honest.
That's the thing, you never know. I genuinely don't know what to say.
Situation... That's to get off on it later, isn't it? Yeah.
Yeah. That's - that's what that's about.
You've got to be a certain type of person, haven't you,
to go out there and do this?
He - yeah. And he's been waiting for somebody,
and he's targeted her. Yeah.
Dangerous, he's a dangerous man.
Yeah. Be interesting to see what he says.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK. Are you sure you're warm enough? Cool enough?
It's really warm, I've just walked in here
and realised how warm it was, I was like, "Phew!"
I've never found evidence of that nature on someone's phone before.
The sexual comments, the position of the phone,
it's so degrading.
I'm absolutely desperate to put this evidence to him.
We're going to show you something else now.
I just want you to watch it.
Hopefully the volume's quite loud.
If it's too loud just let me know.
Why?
Huh?
Tell me about that video.
I don't know why I took it.
Have you ever done that before? What, recorded people? Yeah.
Not... Not in public like that, no.
OK.
So you started recording her as soon as you've seen her urinating.
Yeah. OK.
You know, she was just peeing and I was recording it
and I was trying to,
not let her see that I was recording her while she was peeing.
Why didn't you want her knowing you were recording her?
Sorry. I'm just in so much shock right now.
It's all right, take your time.
There was no intention, I was just... It was...
I probably just turned it on because she was peeing
and I was, you know, I was recording it. It was wrong,
I know it was disgusting and it was wrong. OK. OK.
That doesn't mean I'm trying to get sexually gratification from it,
I'm just...
What's your understanding of sexual gratification?
Trying to get something else I think, sexually.
OK, so if you didn't get any sexual gratification,
why did you tell her you bad a big cock?
I don't know.
Was that not sort of having like a sexual conversation with someone?
No. No. So, do you go and say to anybody normally
that you've got a big cock? No, no. No. No.
So why do it on this occasion?
I don't know.
A lone female, by the way. I don't know. In the dark.
I don't know - it's just at that...
It was the heat of the moment type thing. OK.
Obviously now I can tell you that it was disgusting,
it was wrong, you know it was just...a mistake,
something that I'm never going to do again.
I am very sorry. OK. I shouldn't have recorded.
And what were you going to do with the recording afterwards?
Just watch it.
OK, you were going to keep it?
No, delete it after. Would you have masturbated to it? No, no, I...
But it turned you on watching it. No.
I would have realised this was disgusting and wrong,
I would have deleted it, yeah. But you didn't.
What made you stop recording?
Because she finished urinating.
OK. So, when she stopped urinating,
and you stopped recording... Yeah.
What happened? So, she stopped...
She said that she lost her phone.
OK, lost her phone, yeah.
So she asked me to put a light, where's your light.
Yeah. So we looked for her phone and her phone wasn't there.
OK.
I think you did rape her,
and I believe that you intentionally went down there to rape her.
No. I cry when I stand on an ant, or a fly. Yeah.
Like, I'm a very sensitive person.
I couldn't hurt someone like that.
Very confident, though, isn't it?
That video, that's someone who's confident.
You're asking her for something in exchange for money and drugs,
what were asking for from her?
I don't know. You don't know. Yeah.
All right. OK.
So, the time is 21.03. I'm now concluding the interview.
Yeah, just give us a ring, all right.
As soon as it got to him admitting to the videos. Yeah.
"Yeah, I did it, I'm disgusted by myself,
"I filmed her,"
because he almost wanted to come out with that,
so we'd forget about the rape allegation. Yeah.
we'd go, "All right, thanks."”
Yeah, "Shouldn't have done it and I'm really sorry,"
which is a theme he kept saying throughout
to try and get himself off it.
I don't... I think he's very dangerous,
and I-1 don't think that's the first time he's done that.
The Crown Prosecution Service will decide whether there is enough
evidence to charge for the rape.
I feel like I've got a massive clock above my head
going, "Tick, tick, tick, tick, de-de doodle-a-do-doo!"
I'm going to ring CPS now anyway,
because I'm not waiting.
It's just because we've only got an hour and 50 minutes
to charge him or release him.
Oh, OK, no worries, all right - cheers, thank you.
All right, thank you, bye-bye.
Right, so we've got charges for rape... Yeah.
And voyeurism, as well, because of the video.
Let's go do this.
Mm-hm.
Yeah, no worries.
All right, Loui,
you're going to be charged with the following of fences.
On the 20th of November 2022
you intentionally penetrated the mouth of a woman
with your penis when she did not consent
and you did not reasonably believe she was consenting,
also recorded another person doing a private act
knowing that the other person did not consent to your recording,
for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification. OK?
Not yet, this is - we've gone to CPS.
And they've done... They've given us a charging decision, yes, mate.
Do you have any, any reply to those charges at this time?
Well, I definitely deny the rape charges. OK.
Now the next question that comes up
is whether you're going to be charged and bailed for court
or whether we're going to remand you for court in the morning.
Yeah.
I'm messed up.
Messed up? Oh, yeah.
Hi, it's Shona from the police.
I've been dealing with this chap in custody
since 8am this morning.
Don't thank me.
I just wanted to let you know that CPS have agreed some charges.
They have charged him with rape, on you.
OK? I'm sorry I didn't mean to make you cry.
All right, I don't want you sitting there blaming yourself
and saying, "It's my fault.” It's not your fault.
I'm so sorry that this happened to you.
There's so much in the media
that makes victims feel like they're the ones
that are going to be on trial.
Our primary role is to support that victim,
and to make sure that she feels believed and not judged.
You should be allowed to walk home and feel safe.
This is not your fault, and it'll never be your fault.
Hello, Shona speaking.
I'm not too bad, thank you.
OK, are we able to look at the boxer shorts at all?
The preliminary results from forensic swabs taken from both
victim and suspect are received.
All right, take care, bye. Bye, bye, bye.
They haven't found any semen on any of her swabs at the moment,
but one of the reasons they won't find the semen
is because he probably didn't ejaculate. Mm.
So, that it's not lost, it just is...
Well, this is the reason why we don't have the semen.
Yeah. It's going to come down to, are we going to have DNA?
And then, if we don't have any DNA,
it's whether or not CPS have enough to take that to court.
It's the CPS that decide whether something goes to court or not,
it's not our decision.
Sometimes we just don't have the forensics there,
but that doesn't mean an of fence hasn't occurred.
If you don't have the forensics
you have to rely more on other evidence,
as opposed to forensic evidence, to prove our case.
So many pictures of women.
Really bizarre.
The full download of her suspect's phone
is available to DC Birkby.
"I want you to bend over and let me fuck you,
"because you make Daddy hard." What the...?
He likes younger looking girls.
How old is she?!
What's this video here?
What's going on?
Oh, my God, no.
Oh, my God, don't, don't.
He's videoing someone in their house from their window.
Dirty little voyeur. Yeah.
PANTING
He's videoing someone having sex.
They've got no idea he's there.
WOMAN: Stay there please. Stay there!
He's prowling.
This is a month before he commits our of fence.
Oh, my God.
He's in an alleyway with another girl.
Knew he'd done it before. Knew he'd done it before.
She's urinating, and he's videoing her urinating.
A person's level of offending has to start somewhere.
The conversations he was having with women,
indecent images,
and then he was committing voyeurism of fences.
The fact that he's hiding the camera,
he says he walks around late at night.
He walks around late at night
trying to find drunk girls in alleyways, doesn't he? Yeah.
Voyeurism is recording a private act without the victim's consent.
Voyeurism is an important crime to prosecute,
because it is a sexual of fence.
It's incredibly violating,
and it could be the first step
on the ladder to something more serious.
If he's met with hostility. He comes back and...
He just comes back, and then, justifies his actions
about them being disgusting. Yeah. Yeah.
He's clearly a predator,
and he's moved very quickly to a hands-on of fence,
so his behaviour's escalated over a short amount of time.
I reviewed his phone yesterday.
There are more videos on there of voyeurism.
Not of our victim, no, no, no, no,
of different people at different times at different dates.
And there's also, there is an image of a young teenage girl,
doesn't look like she's... it looks like she's started puberty,
her breasts haven't fully grown.
I've asked that to be put through our Griffite Package first,
but I now need to go and grade that.
It's scary, isn't it? Really scary.
If the victim hadn't come forward that night,
we would never have known he was committing these of fences.
Makes me really worried now,
that I've got to close my curtains when I'm walking around the house.
Just don't know who's around.
DC Birkby travels to Bedford Prison
to interview Loui Cadman about the new evidence revealed on his phone.
This is a voluntary interview.
As you're aware, your client is on remand for the of fences
of rape on a female.
As the OIC, I've reviewed your client's phone,
I've found a number of videos which are of a voyeuristic nature.
SB17, filmed at night
and the person filming appears to be stood near some bushes.
The camera is pointed at the window with the lights on inside,
and you can see person walking around the window,
and her breasts are on show.
And there's SB28,
the person operating the camera is stood by a wooden fence.
The camera is then lifted over the top of the fence
pointing into the garden.
SB15, it's pointed towards a person in bushes.
The person's hands are down by their groin,
and the hands are moving backwards and forwards,
and that person operating the camera whistles
and shouts the word "tramps".
SB10 shows a shadow of a person walking in the dark,
a male voice is heard to say "whoa" and then "stop".
SB12, it's of a couple having sex in a doorway.
And SB21, you can hear female voices,
a female appears in the bottom right hand corner of the image,
a female voice is heard to say, "We are going for a wee,
"can you not shine the torch?”
SB22, a female voice is heard
to say, "I've got a skirt on."”
The female voice sounds like she's slurring her words.
You then say, "Well, I..."
I'd pay to see that.
And she says no.
But I don't want to go through this interview again.
I don't want to talk about these things,
because | know it's wrong and it's disgusting,
and I hate it and I'm sorry, I hate myself and I'm sorry.
You OK to talk?
So, he has pleaded guilty to the voyeurism of fence against you,
and he's pleaded guilty to the further two of fences
of voyeurism not related to you.
Admitting responsibility for the videos
and possessing indecent images in advance
could mean these crimes wouldn't be put in front of a jury
as supporting evidence.
He's pleaded not guilty to the rape,
which wasn't unexpected,
because we are still waiting on further forensics.
Yeah.
Sometimes a defendant will plead guilty to a lesser of fence.
Bye! Bye, bye, bye.
Whilst voyeurism is a serious of fence,
it's not classed as serious as rape
and doesn't carry the same sentencing.
It looks like they're saying there's a possible indication
of male trace DNA,
but they don't have enough to do a DNA profile.
Just don't want to let my victim down,
but I don't want to let other people down,
because I'm going to feel really bad if he goes out there
and starts reoffending again.
It's really important that we get cases to court
because it gives the victim a voice -
the voice of the victim is so important
and sometimes we have to reemphasise that to the CPS.
Without the forensic evidence to prove rape,
the Crown Prosecution Service could decide to abandon the main charge.
I'd like to take this to court,
and I'd like a jury to decide,
because of the body-worn footage,
how sure she was that something was in her mouth.
There are a number of reasons why we don't have forensics,
and we shouldn't let that prevent us from taking something to court.
There are times when we have to really push for the right result.
And this is where it starts, isn't it, it's -
it can start from those lower level, and then, it increases.
That's why voyeurism is so serious. Yeah.
I mean, it's not taken seriously enough. No.
Because it is, it's a stepping stone, isn't it? Absolutely.
I appreciate there's no DNA,
and I'm not saying it's not going to be a challenge,
but I think we've got enough.
They're going to run with the oral rape.
The barrister says we've got a good enough case for the oral rape, yeah.
Yeah. So, it's good.
Won't be an easy one, but it'll be good.
It'll be good.
Hi, I'm good - I'm just ringing from my personal number, sorry.
So, are you sat down?
Sit down.
Guilty.
He's got a guilty.
Guilty... No, 11...
11-1.
Yep.
Oh, bless you.
I'm over the moon that he was found guilty.
My job is to put sex offenders in prison
and to protect the public.
That is why I come to work.
We've stopped him from going out and committing further of fences,
and having further victims.
The voice of the victim is so powerful,
without their bravery we wouldn't get cases to court.
She was so courageous, and I can't thank her enough
for just being that brave.
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