This program me contains very strong language from the start
and scenes of violence
Hello, Gaybook. Hello, Bedfordshire Police.
Hello, the delivery driver who fails his job.
Today, I ordered two kebabs.
The geezer sat outside my flat for 45 minutes,
so I thought it was only fair, since he forgot my salad and it was cold,
that he had to wait upstairs with me for an hour and a half.
So, I kept him while I ate my cold pitta bread
and chicken with no salad.
NO AUDIO
So I'd like to report a theft, actually.
I would like to report a crime. They stole my salad
and they stole the heat off of my takeaway.
So if possibly anyone could get in touch with Bedfordshire Police...
DIAL TONE Police emergency.
Hiya. Erm, I'm just sort of waking up
and my neighbours are just being... I don't know what they're doing.
They've got really loud music on
and they keep coming out into the hallway and shouting and hollering.
I basically just popped on out there and told them to shut the fuck up.
Then next thing I know, I've come in my flat, heard all the noise again,
come to the spyhole and looked out - he's got a big gun in his hand!
It was like... It looked like a big, like, AK-47 or something.
And they're shouting and hollering about
"The next person that comes out here is gonna get shot in the head.”
It's crucial that we find the truth.
Police! Police!
Hands behind your back.
Got to question everything. Believe nobody.
It's almost a game of chess, trying to get them to slip up.
This is your opportunity to talk to me.
Right, what we doing here?
GUN CLICKS Ready?
We're gonna stay on the phone with you until we get there, OK?
All right. Thank you.
He's screaming again now. They're going nuts.
Are you back inside?
Yeah, I'm back inside. I've locked my door.
Armed officers from Bedfordshire Police arrive at the flats
where the two men are making threats with a firearm.
OVER RADIO: Bravo cell 217.
Can you move the other unit forward to the eighth floor, over?
Yeah, we've potentially identified Nathan as Nathan Turner.
He's got mental health markers for bipolar.
I've had a really bad week this week
and I asked Bedfordshire Police to help me.
And do you know what benefits I got?
I got one riot van with armed response.
I got one riot van with no guns.
I got one police car.
DOG WHINES Hey, quiet.
Good boy.
They come and can either arrest me or section me.
Bedfordshire Police, you are sickening me.
Yeah, some further intel on Nathan Turner.
He's currently having time away from his children.
Mental health, er... Is in poor condition.
We've got sufficient kit, equipment and officers now
outside the flat door.
Are you happy to go? Yeah, happy when you are.
BANGING ON DOOR
Armed police! Show yourself at the front door now!
Fine. If you don't come out, we'll be coming in,
so it's best you open the door.
Do exactly as you're told with nothing in your hands
and nothing will happen.
FACEBOOK RECORDING: Look, right, to all you fucking idiots
that are trying to get into my house, yeah?
I'll tell you what. If anyone tries to come in my house, yeah,
you'd better be bringing guns.
You'd better be bringing guns. You'd better be bringing knives.
Because that scythe is going in one of your heads.
Just want to confirm that we have two male voices definitely inside,
one probably being Nathan.
Officer Ashdown.
We've got a siege under way, armed siege,
at Bury Court in Bedford.
Earlier this morning, there is a dispute with a takeaway driver.
And our subject, Nathan Turner, he got...
He got really uppity about it.
They weren't gonna let him leave.
Until either they got a refund or got the correct order.
So, you went upstairs? Yeah.
Yeah? Yeah. And they locked you inside? Yes.
Where inside did they lock you?
You know, just, you know... Corridor, or inside the house?
No, no, no house. In the corridor? You know, just... Corridor? Yeah.
So there was no salad and they wanted you to stay for two hours?
Yeah. Why... Did they say why they wanted you to stay? I don't know.
It's not really proportionate for somebody to be held as a hostage
for a period of time by anybody just cos they haven't provided salad.
So it immediately raised alarm bells
as soon as we heard those reports coming in.
Nathan, let me explain something to you, mate. We've had a call
that says somebody's been outside with a gun.
Obviously, that's why we're here doing what we're doing now.
What, this is from the internal CCTV? Yeah. It is indeed.
Look, Dave, we've got pictures of the weapon here.
Oh, dear. If you saw that pointed at you...
The gun looks like it's been professionally set up.
It's got a telescopic scope on it.
It's got a suppressor on the end of the barrel.
If you've got somebody that's unpredictable with a firearm,
it immediately creates that element of risk.
Are they fully in control of it?
Do they know what they're doing with it?
Either way, they're potentially lethal,
so you've got to take it seriously.
The easiest way for us to deal with this
is for you to come out one by one, nice and calmly.
You hear that? "You come in, one of you gets killed." Roger that.
For discussion, there is to be no dynamic tactic to enter the flat
unless there is the immediate threat to life.
One of the reasons I use the camera is to record the command suite,
so if we do on this occasion discharge our gun
and somebody gets killed,
it's absolutely right that the public has access
to everything I knew and what was going on at the time.
I'm assuming at this stage
there is nobody else in any of these flats left.
Right, so the building itself, it hasn't been emptied.
We've asked for the floor itself, immediately below
and immediately above.
Just in case he tries to climb or descend a flight. Yeah.
Officers on the ground are ordered to surround the block
and evacuate all residents on Nathan Turner's floor.
OK, I need you to get dressed, everyone in the flat to get dressed
and we need to evacuate you.
Why? Cos there's a firearms incident going on. CHILD STARTS CRYING
For your safety, we need to get you out of the block of flats. OK.
Just letting you guys know.
Everything's fine. There's no need to be scared.
There might be a balcony that links... Right.
Can the dog handler keep an eye on that? Can he see that?
I think it's that one... Hotel 431.
...where you've got a light on either side of the balcony.
Drone. Drone. That's for sure.
Ground from Oscar one, over.
Go ahead.
Can you pass the message on that this is now a major incident?
Honestly, I can't tell you.
We have to get everything checked first
to ensure the safety of officers, public,
as well as the individuals inside the flat.
In terms of interactions with the police,
we've not got a lot as far as I can see,
but there were some concerns around...
He had a Rambo knife in his property.
So...23rd, so that's fairly recent.
Subject has come out on to the balcony.
IC1 male. Short to bald.
He's throwing stuff. SMASH
RADIO CHATTER Throwing bottles.
There's some suggestion intelligence-wise of that
Nathan's girlfriend lives in the same block on a different floor.
More stuff. He's got something in his hand.
CRASH
9-0 ARV one. He's come out.
He's got a paint pot... CRASH
...and he's thrown it down towards the vehicles.
Can any of you lot obviously confirm where the ex-girlfriend is?
She was in her flat.
ARV one, subject is back out on the balcony.
CRASH
Subject has thrown two further items at police vehicles.
From housing records,
police suspect the second male in the flat to be Paul Burton.
We know very little about Paul at all.
Last arrest 2013. May 2013.
Shoplifting and theft-related of fences.
We don't like unknowns.
Hello, darling. Where'd you live?
Oh, you're the negotiator? Lovely. You're here quick. Is it 20 minutes?
So we've got subject address is this one here immediately on the right.
Yep. And then we've got a... The guy who's acting as a friendly,
called Nathan, who we think might be hostile - probably not friendly.
Nathan, are you safe?
I'm a negotiator.
So, what's happening? Tell me what's happening in there.
NATHAN: I have been let down by the police countless times.
Do you understand?
Nathan, I'm really sorry you feel like we've let you down.
Mm. Mm-hm. I don't want that.
If you talk to me about it, we might be able to help you.
Very often when you're dealing with somebody that's threatening others,
there's a trigger event.
It's important for us to try and identify
if that is causing the behaviour.
So, tell me about your daughter. What?
Tell me about your daughter.
You have to be somebody that they can believe in
and you need to believe in them and trust them as well.
If it's a heightened emotional state, it's difficult.
Are you all right? I'm sorry. Is it difficult to speak about?
CRYING: I can't even think about her. Come in.
You know, you're pissing me off now.
Come in. Come in! Come in.
BANGING Open up the door!
I'm gonna fuck you up if you wanna kick down my door.
He's gonna shoot and kill one of you. I'll fuck the rest up.
DOG WHINES
Hey, all right. Good boy.
It's fucking...
DOG WHINES
He's threatened to shoot us.
Nathan, can you hear me?
Nathan, I just really need to hear that you're OK.
I really don't want him to point that gun down there.
Bravo 2163.
DOG WHINES
Zero Sierra 2-6. Can you track left a bit?
Is there someone on that balcony?
Nathan, what's going on?
Nathan?
Oh, fuck's sake...
DOG WHINES Nice excuse to sit in outside the rain for me.
SINGLE BANG
Yeah.
Who's hurt?
REPORTER: Police negotiators are dealing with a situation
at Bury Court in the Goldington Green area
after reports of a man with a firearm
at a high-rise block of flats.
Police were called to Bury Court at around 6am.
A small number of flats were evacuated.
Nathan, can you hear me?
WHISPERING:
Oh.
Is everyone OK in there?
It's the worst-case scenario, any shots fired at a police officer.
First thing that goes through your mind is, "That's my colleague."
You know, "Are they safe? Am I responsible?"
Where's your car been hit?
Ooh! DEEP BREATHING
It's not... You know how a gas-powered one,
you don't really hear? This one's made an actual fuckin' noise,
a loud pop and a spark from it.
That's a .22, isn't it? Yeah.
It's a .22, look.
We heard the discharge. We heard the pop. This is what I mean.
RADIO CHATTER
Can you stay in? Yeah.
Be around this side.
Put ourselves out of range of that weapon.
Yeah. Which'll give him more time
and space.
One of the considerations that immediately goes through your mind
is, "Is this the start of an escalation in the behaviour
"of the subjects?"
Use the line, building line, for cover from view.
You know, they've done it once - are they gonna do it again?
Cover up, mate.
Cover on.
Moving.
For the officers on the ground,
when you've got that firearm pointed at you...
Moving.
...the fear is really palpable.
OK, ladies and gents. This is a cold briefing.
I am Chief Superintendent Dave Boyle.
OK. Steve, over to you, please.
So, the negotiations started and they were, you know,
particularly Nathan has been talking to us,
but at 8.45 this morning, the occupants have themselves
leant out of the balcony window
and taken a shot, a single shot with a long-barrel led weapon,
towards the police vehicles.
An examination of that vehicle has revealed what we believe to be
a .22 calibre bullet. The tactics then have remained the same
in that we are still maintaining negotiations
but the only addition is the rifle officer on the outside aspect.
You're positioning the rifle officer
in the place where they can take a potentially lethal shot if required.
The other one, I don't see.
We're in position Y aspect...
Approximately 70m from the building in a position of cover.
We would be looking and assessing their behaviour.
Make the decision, ultimately,
do I need to discharge my weapon
to stop somebody else possibly being at risk?
We've got drone footage on the external,
which confirms the movement of Nathan in and out on the balcony.
He has indicators of mental health issues, possible bipolar.
The second male, Paul, is believed to be asleep at this time.
One subject's presented again at the balcony.
Only seen the one subject, though, haven't we?
Yeah. Same person? Copy that. Received.
Yeah. But there is definitely two voices, isn't there?
From within, yeah.
The other one, I don't see.
There's members of the public on the roof of the building
engaging with the subject. Telling him to come out.
Er, just a general question.
Are we hopeful that we will bring this to a successful completion
within daylight hours?
Well, perhaps not within daylight hours, no.
We're mindful that his state of mind may be one that is
slightly confused at the moment, and may not respond rationally
to what we might consider to be reasonable directions by the police.
Obviously the subject's behaviour's drawing a lot of attention
from the occupants within the flats.
And I'm briefed that he was live streaming on Facebook.
OK.
So I think we need to have a look at what that's actually telling us
about his mindset, his demeanour, his intentions.
NATHAN: So look, right?
These people, look, oen...
And then over there on the ground, they've got ambulance.
Two riot vans over there.
Three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
Oh, look at them cars. They all look fucked-up.
I wonder why that is? Anyway...
Do you know what? I've lost my daughter this week.
I've lost everything.
And...now I'm gonna get shot, so if I get shot, anyone,
er...it's been nice knowing you all.
And these police,
there's a negotiator trying to fucking fool me.
Look at that person over there.
Look. Is there anyone in that car?
Look. Hello!
Fucking pig cunt.
Police acquire Nathan Turner's phone number,
allowing negotiators to call him directly.
She's calling you, Nathan. DIAL TONE
Hello.
That's so much better. I can hear you now.
Do comms, mate. He's on the balcony. ARV one.
NEGOTIATOR: Nathan, let's get you out of this situation
and let's get you out of the flat.
Nah. I'm not leaving my friend here.
POLICE OFFICER: Cover on. What you doing?
Can I speak to Paul?
MUFFLED REPLY
Paul?
How are you feeling?
It absolutely matters.
Nathan.
Stop shouting at me and talk to me.
Talk to me. Like I'm a human being, yeah?
And I'll talk to you like you're a human being.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I can see he's...
He's on his balcony at the moment. We're watching him from the drone.
Nathan, what I need you to do is get outside of that flat
so that we can start to help you,
but I cannot help you when you're inside a flat with a gun.
I'm fucked, anyway.
You are not fucked anyway.
You've got so much ahead of you, haven't you?
I've lost my girl on top of my daughter.
TEARFUL: I don't have fun no more.
Listen, being in this situation is not gonna help you
and your relationship with your daughter, is it?
Promise him whatever he needs to motivate him out of the door.
Yeah, just got to persist with it, I think.
WHISPERING: He's talking like he wants to finish it.
He's talking like he wants to finish this.
He wants to come out, don't he? Yeah.
Got indications of him surrendering.
He's saying he's ready to come out,
so we're just trying to facilitate that.
There isn't gonna be anybody jumping on you.
Don't you arrest me?
You will be arrested, yeah.
He's ended the call.
Nathan, can you hear me?
Cos you're gonna rush in to fucking...
We're not gonna... You are. We're not gonna rush in.
Nathan, if you come out slowly with your hands on your head,
I promise you, there will be no sudden movements.
Come on.
OFFICER: OK, can you hear me all right?
So, he wants to come out.
He doesn't want, obviously, loads of guns and stuff pointing at him.
Nice, calm communication. Give him that time.
Everyone happy? Yep.
Snakes and reptiles and... Right. Coming to the door now.
As well as, erm...
Tact two OC, he's coming to the door now, over.
DOOR SQUEAKS
Nathan?
Needs to come out of this. OK, lovely.
Over the barricade.
SUPERINTENDENT: Fear is a real strong emotion.
Actually, it's probably one of the biggest risk elements
of any firearms operation.
Just make sure we can see your hands, Nathan.
All right. I'm coming out with my hands on my head.
He says he's coming out with his hands on his head. Yeah.
Human beings want to stay safe. They want to survive, don't they?
And the fear that that might not be, you know, the future for them
if there's a risk to them, that actually makes them
more emotional, more volatile.
OFFICER: Door handle's moving.
You're doing really well, Nathan. Well done.
SUPERINTENDENT: Trust is key.
We make them feel safe.
LOCK CLICKS
Just keep your hands where we can see them. Well done.
You're doing a great job.
You can do this.
Well done.
OFFICERS SHOUT AT ONCE Nathan, come here, mate.
A little bit to your left. Nathan. Well done, Nathan.
Nathan, come here, buddy. Walk towards me.
You're not gonna be harmed. Please don't...
Promise you, we're not gonna hurt you. Just walk towards me.
I'll come... Yep, come over here, mate, and do that.
Yeah, perfect. Walk towards me, Nathan.
Come here. Keep coming.
Keep coming. Please don't taser me.
We're not gonna hurt you. We're not gonna taser you.
Walk towards me. Keep coming, Nathan.
Keep coming. Well done, Nathan. Keep coming. Please don't...
No, we're not gonna... Nathan. Put your hands on that door.
That's it.
Just there, mate. Lovely. OFFICER: Stay there.
Look at the wall. Look at the wall.
If you keep your hands there, mate. Keep your hands there.
NEGOTIATOR: Such a good job. Keep your hands there.
Don't do anything silly, all right?
Just keep your hands there. Cuff up.
I'm not gonna try anything. Cuffs. Well done, Nathan.
Put your other hand behind your back.
Lovely. Well done, Nathan. Don't you...
I know, mate. Relax. HANDCUFFS CLICK
You're OK.
Just check that. Check his back.
WOMAN: My man's eating a biscuit as he's getting arrested.
MAN: My man's getting nicked for firearms
and eats a biscuit while he's getting nicked.
Well, that's the way the cookie crumbles!
If I hold them. If I hold the packet... Pick them up.
Oh, brilliant, yep. That's the best idea.
Or you're gonna end up dropping the whole lot on the floor. Yeah.
The two men responsible for the armed siege at Bury Court
have both now surrendered and are under arrest.
OK, mate. I want you to listen carefully to me, OK?
You're under arrest on suspicion of attempted murder.
Attempted murder?! And criminal damage.
Grounds for the arrest are that at some point today
it's suspected that you discharged a firearm at a police vehicle
with a police officer inside.
I'm... I'm not gonna give you any trouble. That's fine.
I'm not a violent man.
Can't be moving your handcuffs. TEARFULLY: You've just arrested me
for attempted murder.
But do you remember? It's "on suspicion of."
We'll start getting you into the car?
I just... That's it. Come on, then. ..wanna talk to my daughter.
Have another Jaffa cake.
I just... I can't...
I'll make sure the dog's all right, yeah? OK?
What are you fucking staring at? What are you fucking staring at?
Nathan, don't worry about them.
What are you fucking staring at?!
Dave.
All out. Surrendered.
He's come out.
Er, no.
So we'll do the deliberate search now.
There's a lot of stuff, isn't there? Yeah.
Oh, my God, there's a snake!
He does have a big python.
There's loads of reptiles in here, as well. Is there? Yeah.
What's in here?
Another python in there. Python under that rock.
I'm not sure whether to be impressed or to be really creeped out.
We've got the firearm in the wardrobe in the bedroom down here.
In here.
Oh, yeah. But the magazine size is a bit strange. Mm.
Make sure that he speaks to what's-the-name. Pleasure.
Erm...
Just from me,
the main health and safety issue is that dog handler.
That could have been a lot worse.
A bit of concern for me, I think. How did we get to this position
when there seems to be a real concern around mental health?
A mach.
It's gonna be a break-barrel weapon there.
Safety catch is off at this point,
so just don't go near the trigger at all.
Mental health has had a bigger and bigger impact on policing
and many of my colleagues are deployed on a daily basis
to deal with mental health crises.
And unfortunately it can play out in terms of use of weapons.
If we're able to get into a dialogue with somebody,
that suggests they've got a level of awareness.
And a lot of English and UK law is based around decision-making.
You can have a mental illness and still make guilty choices.
I'm going to put it back down,
because there is a round in the barrel.
Mental health crises can affect behaviours,
but there's still that personal responsibility for them.
Stand in here.
And you said attempt murder, yeah?
For attempt murder and threats to kill.
Don't do anything silly, yeah?
Excellent.
OK.
What alcohol have you had in the last 24 hours, mate?
Vodka.
You've taken ten valiums today?
No, it's probably 20.
I'm on ten milligrams.
20 ten milligrams?
It's too much for you. You need to get your blood checked.
That's a lot, innit?
That's like quite a lot. Here you go.
But I feel really happy.
With the suspects in custody, the case is handed to
detectives in CID.
Do we need anything other than CCTV for the lift,
and CCTV for the other side of the eighth floor?
Jobs like this are so unusual.
I have heard of sieges happening before, but usually
by the time the armed police turn up, the people come out willingly.
I was up in the gold command room, so I saw the drone footage,
I saw the live CCTVs.
Nathan comes across as the ringleader.
He's very loud, very confrontational.
He's the only one we sort of really know anything about.
How's it going? Yeah. Not bad.
OK, so where do you want?
We've got one half of the eighth floor. We need the other side.
Which side, north side or...? South. We've got north. If possible. OK.
There's the gun. Oh, yeah, look.
That CCTV is gold dust.
It's so unusual to get such clear footage.
Forget the siege, forget everything else.
That moment when they come out with that weapon,
you've got multiple of fences committed.
It's scary, isn't it?
He could kill someone with it.
It is an air rifle, but it's modified.
So it's so powerful, it's classified as a firearm
in its own right, and therefore it's not legal.
They record all the time, don't they?
Like, constantly? Are they constantly recording?
Yes. They are?
Does the other guy, have you ever,
has anyone even seen him holding the weapon at any point?
It's always Paul with the gun.
The officer could have died
if that windscreen hadn't stopped the bullet.
It's so important that we work out who's responsible for that.
What are you...?
Nathan, he's clearly very angry at the police in particular.
I don't know why that is. I don't know what it is
that he thinks that we've not helped him with.
It's a very clear motive.
Hello, mate, are you OK?
But then they were both in possession of that gun
whilst in the flat, whilst parading around, they're both making threats.
Yeah, you've been arrested for attempt murder and criminal damage.
It's really important to keep an open mind.
Do you want legal advice whilst you're here?
No. I just want a copy of full disclosure.
And any particular reason why you don't want a solicitor?
well no, I'll look at the full disclosure
and then I'll go from there. If I think I need a solicitor
I'lLl go from there. OK.
You're just going to wait and see? Wait and see, sure.
I go outside, there's paint everywhere,
I'm like, "What the fuck?"
I've got the mental health nurse here. Hi, Matron.
Still intoxicated, Turner and Burton will spend the night in custody
before facing questioning in the morning.
I'll get somebody to come down and tell you what I've got. All right.
We are looking for a pellet from an airgun.
If it's hit the windscreen, that may have rebounded off.
Is it just a grey...?
A grey thing with a cone at one end?
With the suspects having known mental health conditions...
Are you feeling all right, Paul?
...both are assessed and deemed fit for interview.
So this is Paul? That's Paul.
Yeah, and that's Nathan with the dog? And that's Nathan.
Did we get a first account from him yet?
No. They... They've gone now.
No comment.
Mr Turner, I haven't asked you a question yet. No comment.
I've got freedom of speech in this room, have I not?
You then sent messages... No comment. ..received messages...
No comment. No comment. No comment.
No comment. No comment. No com-mate.
Describe... No, not com-mate, no comment.
No comment. Seeing Mr Turner... No comment. ..leaning through...
CLEARS THROAT LOUDLY ..and she opened the door...
No comment. ..to tell them to turn the music down.
Would you like your drink or could I have
a little sip of this, please? Thank you. No comment.
Are you responsible for the of fence of...? No comment.
No comment. ..of attempted murder? No...
Fucking definitely no con to...
...fucking comment.
No comment.
BEEP
You don't have any legal representation with you. No.
Just for the recording, could you let us know why you don't
want legal advice, mate? Don't need a solicitor because
as far as I'm concerned, I've done nothing...
...that warrants a solicitor. OK.
How did you get this?
There's two riot vans over there.
The geezer who I ordered a fucking takeaway off,
when he came upstairs, I said,
"You've got to wait upstairs for an hour and a half.”
Wow.
He was live streaming on Facebook as well. Oh, was he? Yeah.
I'm going to go back to the food you've ordered.
So when did you first see the driver?
No comment.
Was it... Did you meet him in the corridor?
No comment.
It's alleged that you have used a small wooden table
and jammed it in the door, preventing the doors from closing.
Essentially, this is just why you're here. No comment.
It wasn't even correct, what we ordered.
It was like doner meat, and that was it.
Well, where's the rest of it? That don't cost £20.
Hello, Gaybook.
Hello, Bedfordshire Police.
Hello... Let me Teams Adam.
I'll see if he can pause the interview.
That delivery driver would have been so scared,
and they're both so threatening.
The fact that they can do that to one person,
I don't think they've got any boundaries
about what they would do to other people.
What I'm going to do now, Nathan, is play some videos.
No, that probably weren't me.
...is because the geezer...
So that probably wasn't you? ..I ordered fucking takeaway off...
I don't think so.
No. It doesn't sound like me.
...while it went cold,
so I said, "You've got to wait upstairs for an hour and a half."
OK.
Is that you talking about the situation with the delivery driver?
No.
I don't know what it is.
And he was like, "Listen,” you know,
"don't try and rip us off," and all that,
"you made us wait an hour, over an hour for our dinner,
"which is now cold.” Mm-hmm. "By the way."
Said, "If you went to a house, you'd have had it all, wouldn't you?"
He's gone, "Yes."
Because we live in a high-rise flat, we're just treated like scum.
VIDEO: I thought it was only fair, since he forgot my salad,
and it was cold,
that he had to wait upstairs with me for an hour and a half.
Did you prevent him from leaving?
He weren't held against his will.
He was asked a few questions, he played stupid, which agitated me.
I'd say if it wasn't for me, that guy would have been
splattered all over the fucking place.
What do you mean by that?
If it wasn't for me,
he would have been splattered all over the fucking walls. OK.
Because I prevented it.
Is that not clear enough for you?
I hear you.
Ask fucking Paul.
So, this is what appears to be...
Oh, this is the bedroom. Oh, cool. ..the bedroom. OK.
But as you can see, there is no bed.
So, yeah, any weapons, any mobile phones, drugs, drug paraphernalia.
Whilst police search the property of Nathan Turner,
their main suspect in the case of attempted murder,
detectives conduct house-to-house enquiries
with the residents of Bury Court.
And do you know the occupants of number 617
I do know someone up there. Yeah?
He can get... He can fly off the handle occasionally.
Do you know that guy's name?
Nathan. Nathan, OK.
Have you had any recent issues with them?
Yeah. Not with Paul. He sort of keeps himself to himself.
But with Nathan, yeah.
Really? He does not... He's not in control of himself.
I'm not close to either of them.
I see on Nathan's Facebook that he was showing weapons and stuff. Yeah.
He's been in control of this building for three months.
People here would avoid him, because if he sees you,
he just pounces, and just attacks you verbally. Yeah?
He's a blister that's been ready to burst for years.
You can see in his eyes.
Is it an of fence to swear at these cunts?
You shouldn't swear at them. All right, then. I'll stop. Sorry.
He did tell me you were going to wind me up,
but I just didn't really think it was going to be that bad.
I'm not here to wind you up, Mr Turner, I assure you.
The victim of the shooting is now signed off duty
and gives his statement to the investigating officers.
So, right from the beginning.
Yeah.
So, I was given the job of stay downstairs on the outer cordon,
ensuring the safety of the local officers.
A call has come over the air
to say a male has walked out onto a balcony,
and is pointing what looks like to be a long-barrel led rifle.
So I've gone back to my vehicle, and looked directly above me.
I did, I believe, saw a muzzle flash, chap at the end of the rifle.
Working with firearms, etc I've heard gunshots, so I knew...
I knew the noise of a gunshot.
I've spoken to my colleagues today, firearms officers,
and very experienced firearms officers,
and they've all told me that I'm very lucky to be sat here today.
The male that I can describe, that I saw,
if I'm allowed to describe him... Yeah, yeah. Describe him.
Balding, with a grey sweatshirt.
He quite clearly could see me looking directly back up at him,
and he's taken that split-second decision and shot.
So, Mr Turner, on the 27th of November,
early hours of, what had you been doing during that time?
Shitting my pants. OK.
Not literally. Yeah.
But...
...you know, metaphorically. Mm.
Have you got anything else you want to say about that?
I thought you was going to kill me.
So this is before, I'm talking about.
I ordered a bottle of vodka.
So I was just drinking, and I don't normally drink,
because it makes me go stupid.
Has that impacted your, like, recollection of yesterday?
Well, somewhat, yeah.
Well, I don't normally drink. OK.
Were you and Nathan hanging out after the delivery driver yesterday?
Yeah. And what were you guys doing?
Mate, I'm trying to go to sleep. OK.
And where's Nathan while you're doing this?
He's just walking around, having a cigarette out at the balcony,
that was it. OK.
And then I woke up around one o'clock.
Slept from around 6am until 1pm. Yeah. You're just asleep. Yeah.
So you're not awake when the police arrived? No.
I was out cold, asleep.
It's like when I came outside,
I was shocked to see there was paint everywhere. OK.
Nathan, I'm just going to show you a still from the drone footage.
Who were you looking at in this picture?
Do you recognise that man?
He looks similar to me but I'm not.
What's all this stuff that's on the floor?
Do you think it looks like a bit of blue...? I don't know.
...white. I don't know. All this paint, I believe.
Is that something that you've thrown over the balcony?
I don't know. No.
I don't even know what it is.
Right. I thought it had something to do with the police. OK.
The RSPCA lady's here.
Yeah, no worries.
So on the right-hand side, you've obviously got the big boa, I think.
He's a big boy, isn't he?
There's definitely a snake in this one.
He looks quite big too.
How long have you known Paul?
Does he live with you?
Well, no, I live with fucking five snakes and fish.
Wow. That's quite impressive.
Any idea how long this chap is? Has anyone seen him out and about?
No.
Did you see the size of that thing? It's big, wasn't it?
Its body is 13 foot long, and it's got a body that fat.
OK. So...
So everyone in that block of flats knows that they've been evicted.
Yeah. There's lots of elderly people who have been really struggling.
But they did tell us there's been loads of issues going on there,
regularly find Nathan playing with his snakes on the grass.
Oh, by the way, it can shoot out about six foot, so...
Oh, that is an boy. That's a big one, that.
Oh, my goodness.
Go on, you're all right. Go away.
The trick is just tap it on the head, so he knows it's not food.
Plus, it keeps something between me
and the said snake that's going to try and kill me.
I've got a few snakes.
And then the dragon, was it? I've got a bearded dragon. Yeah.
It needs to be fed every day.
I mean, to be fair, they're not in bad nick.
For a lot of the stuff we come to... Get in there.
The pellet, was that lodged in the windscreen?
OK.
It was lodged in the windscreen when he fired.
Right. Dog man has then driven away, and we've lost the pellet.
And then we did the PolSA and they didn't... And didn't find anything.
OK.
Ownership of the rifle used to shoot at the officer's car
is traced to Paul Burton.
Write this down.
A spec-ops air rifle.
Mainly I'm interested in knowing what it shoots
and the fact that it is a fire able weapon.
I've never seen a gun that big, anything that looks like that.
So, this weapon in itself, because it fires energy
in excess of 12 ft/pounds,
it satisfies the kinetic energy criteria
in the Firearms Dangerous Air Weapons Act,
to be declared as especially dangerous.
The damage it's caused just shows how lethal it could have been.
I don't know whether Paul bought it knowing that
that was the capacity of the weapon.
Just a few questions about the air rifle.
And what's like your sole use for that rifle?
Well, no. Its sole use was on practice, to go to a shooting,
a shooting range with. Oh, OK, shooting range, is it?
OK, yeah, no problem. Yeah.
Does anybody else ever use that rifle?
Not to my knowledge.
Nathan never used it?
Not to my knowledge.
Oh, interesting.
So they've only found Turner's prints on the rifle,
but there's quite a lot of prints
that it says are insufficient to put against somebody.
His prints aren't on the trigger, though.
It says insufficient.
So they couldn't test the print that was on there.
There's no fingerprints for Paul.
The weapon is loaded.
It's ready to go. It's ready to be fired.
We know that Nathan has been in possession of it, and again,
that, with the description, builds a really, really strong case.
OK.
So is there anything you can tell us about that allegation?
Someone standing on a balcony and firing a firearm...
All I can say is it's not me. ...at a police officer?
It's not me. It's not you. OK.
The officer that was in that car,
he describes the male who shoots the firearm
as balding, between 30 and 40 years old, wearing a grey hoodie.
Yeah. Do you know what? Fucking...
Know what? What were you going to say?
Can you tell us, Nathan?
No.
I woke up to the negotiator ringing.
Did you find it a bit strange that a negotiator from the police
was calling you?
Well, no, because at the end of the day I knew why they was there,
because of Nathan, at the time.
Have you gone out on to the balcony at any time?
So, I'm just going to ask again. But it's not going to happen.
OK. Did you go out onto the balcony? It's not going to happen.
I've already spoke about it. You can review the CCTV.
You can review that. It's not going to happen.
This is your opportunity... It's not going to happen, again.
What's not going to happen, Paul?
I've already told you what has gone on. It's like you're trying to
catch me out lying. Bullshit. I'm not having it.
So, Paul has been interviewed.
He has told us as part of his account that he was himself
asleep from 6am until 1pm.
Is that right?
And the police vehicle shot at
is at between 8:45 and 8:49.
So according to the co-defendant Paul's account, he was asleep.
Do those timings not sound right, then, to you?
I'm fucked, ain't I?
Let's finish this.
I'm fucked, ain't 1? This is fucked.
Police need a statement from the neighbour
who was threatened by the firearm on the night of the siege.
It must be awful for her.
I dread to think what it must be like.
Yeah.
I don't think Nathan and Paul have got any concept of
the bigger picture.
Everyone else involved, like all the other people that live in the flats.
The call out fee for getting the extra services involved
was £85,000. Right.
So that's for getting like fire, ARV, ambulances, everyone like that?
Yeah. It cost us £85,0007? And that's just the beginning.
Oh, here we are.
Have they cleaned it up?
The shot has come directly down and hit the dogs officer that was here.
How's the vibe kind of been in the building since it happened?
Yeah. Everyone's a bit thrown by it,
but it affected quite a lot of people, so...
Would you say it's mainly Nathan that's causing the issues?
Just them two. They're both paranoid individuals.
I think the combination of them two together
and the declining of their mental health over the last however long.
I don't feel safe here.
If they're not in jail, how am I going to be safe?
They're obviously capable of soldiering themselves up,
aren't they, cos they've done it before.
I tell you what, if anyone tries to come in my house, yeah,
you better be bringing guns.
You'd better be bringing guns, you'd better be bringing knives,
because that scythe is going in one of your heads.
Yeah.
Look.
Show him all these weapons, yeah?
BB gun.
That's a rounders bat.
That's a scythe I found magnet fishing.
That's an axe that I used for geodes not long ago.
Can you tell me if any one of them items is illegal?
Because when the police came, they weren't.
What do you mean by that?
I rang the fucking police, five days ago, approximately, for help.
Do you know that I rang 'em because I was being burgled?
Do you know about this or not?
Nathan Turner, er, attempted burglary?
Who's the victim?
There isn't one. So how's there an attempted burglary? Yeah.
That's a really good point. Oh, he's the victim.
So... Oh, yeah. He's the victim.
It says allocated to attention... to team two for attention.
It appears that the suspect was in his own home
having a mental health episode at the time of the incident.
That's why I've not been out, that's why I ordered food,
that's why I ordered everything, that's why I fucking did everything,
because I was so fucking petrified of being on my own.
And I made that video because hopefully if anyone saw it,
I made it public, that... Mm-hmm.
That they didn't... They might not come round to my house
and try and break in. I was trying to scare people away.
Officers attended Nathan Turner's property
four days prior to the siege.
Their body-worn footage is reviewed
to see whether it confirms his story.
Hello, it's the police. Can you just open the door for me, please?
Why not?
Nathan, look, Nathan. We're going to get you
the help you need, I promise.
Nathan, can you open the door so that we can see you?
He's SO paranoid.
Your neighbour's here. Do you want to come out?
If he doesn't want to answer the door,
he doesn't want to answer the door. Yeah, but we're concerned about him.
DOOR OPENS
My hands are up. That's fine. Just step out for us.
Just make sure your door doesn't lock.
No. It doesn't lock. It doesn't lock? No? No, it doesn't lock.
It doesn't lock. It doesn't lock.
It's almost like Paul's his, like, bodyguard.
Just come towards us.
Obviously I've got paranoid schizophrenia. Mm.
You see my door, yeah?
Because they keep trying to break into it, and you can see there,
where they've tried to break into it where the lock is.
And when did this happen?
I think this is happening multiple times,
and now I've got a BB gun and I've got a Rambo knife. OK.
I'm going to have a quick look in your flat.
Where are the weapons? They were all displayed on the wall
in the living room. Right.
Whether there's been an incident or not, he's very paranoid.
He's kind of not thinking straight.
For him, those weapons clearly, I think they're...
He feels like they look after him. They're his protection.
That's the knife.
The sheath's there as well.
Normally I just have it hanging with my...
Normally it's always hanging up there.
It's always normally hanging up there. OK?
As long as it stays in the property it's within the law.
If you want to... If you want to take it off me, take it off me.
Nathan, what we're going to do is,
we're going to be criming a burglary.
In regards to this weapon, unfortunately,
this is an offensive weapon. It was legally bought.
Look up there. I've got an axe and I've got a scythe that I found
in the river. OK. They're both not an offensive weapon in terms of...
I've got, I've got a BB gun. OK.
What about the BB gun? Do you know what I mean? Again, that's not
an illegal thing to possess in your home address. This is. Yeah.
Do you have any currant thoughts of self-harming or anything like that?
No, I do not. Have you ever... I've already told that officer,
no, I have not. I've got a daughter. Good.
At that point when those officers go, Nathan isn't section able.
OK, he was up and down,
but he was quite happy to speak about the future.
I'm not doing... I have never hurt myself.
I'm here for that little girl.
Do it for your daughter. Yeah, that's good.
As police officers, we deal with crime.
So the officers definitely did the right thing by seizing that knife.
Just make sure you lock the door behind us, Nathan.
They really took their time with him,
and they speak to him about his mental health, making referrals.
OK. All right, Nathan. Well, I'll make contact with you
at some point soon in relation to the CCTV enquiry as well.
I don't understand.
You've just come... You've not come to help me.
You've come to just take my knife. I haven't. I've explained to you.
I'm going to put referrals in, in terms of your bipolar,
what you were telling me about,
and we're going to get you the support you need for it.
I think it was a cry for help,
but Nathan clearly feels like they weren't listening to him.
Tell me a little bit about Nathan, then. How do you know him?
He's got the same mental health issues as I do.
OK. So we help each other in that sense.
So you kind of support one another? Yeah.
OK. Tell me about your mental health, mate.
I've got paranoid schizophrenia.
Split personality. Split personality.
Bipolar... Bipolar. Yeah.
OK.
So, you two were hanging out together kind of the night before?
Were you two wandering about the hallways at any point during that?
Yeah. See, by the time we came out, had a little look,
make sure there weren't no-one sneaking on the stairwells,
you know, people have been trying to bust in through the doors.
So, since then, we've been paranoid, both of us. OK.
Do you want to see the neighbour who kicked their door? Yeah.
Oh!
And that's when they have this response.
So, basically, he keeps, he's saying,
"Oh, people keep trying to break down my door, I'm being robbed.”
I mean, he has heard someone pounding at his door.
I'm not saying this is the appropriate response, but...
They think someone's trying to break in,
and now he's like...
In psychology, there's a term called folie a deux.
It's that kind of toxic relationship,
the two people kind of combining together
that have the same beliefs and end up committing crime together.
Did you see anybody else in the hallways? No.
But we've heard things.
Just weird things you shouldn't be hearing.
What sort of things did you hear?
Like people like running up the stairs, running down the stairs.
Doors...doors opening and shutting and...
So you didn't see anybody but you heard, like...doors closing.
The two of them,
they clearly at that point were not rational human beings.
I think they're both responsible for fuelling each other.
They rely on the other person,
but it's a very toxic relationship between them,
but they don't realise that.
This is Paul's phone.
He bought his dog an 18-carat gold-plated collar.
All of their animals have gone to the RSPCA.
Oh, there's his dog.
Betty, wiggle your tail.
Wiggle the tail.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.
Wiggle that tail. Good boy.
Animals are amazing for mental health.
They don't judge you.
Are you having a bath?
Yeah?
Are you having a bath, Lucy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good girl. Good girl.
There's the gun. Oh, yeah.
He's got loads of pictures on here of guns.
Like, look at this.
Pistols.
Guns...
...guns...
He's addicted.
So, May last year, he talked about paying for the gun.
He says it's a black ops air snipe rifle.
So, he sends a picture here,
and that's the picture of the rifle,
and he says, "Not a very good picture, but it's took me
"three months to save up to get this. Now this is an air gun lad."
The guy that he's messaging, his friend, said, "Bet it hurts,"
and he says, "Hurts, lad? This one will kill you, even at 100 yards.
"Power is unreal."
I think that suggests that he was aware that
it was capable of killing someone, and it's scary that people who...
...I don't know, have mental health issues
are able to get these kind of weapons,
and by the looks of his phone,
he's got this weapon very easily as well.
Hello, mate, how are you? I'm good.
I'll get you a cup of tea. Do you want tea or coffee?
I didn't fucking do half of this shit. Mm-hmm.
I did a couple of the things, yeah?
And now I'm looking at going to jail or some shit.
I just want to go home.
I just want to go... I just want...
I just want it to be ten days ago. I just want my daughter.
How do you have it? Milk? Milk and three sugars, yeah? Yeah, please.
I think it was Burton.
I don't think it was Turner.
Oh.
From his phone, he says it would kill someone at 100 yards.
The messages on Paul's phone are extremely incriminating.
He clearly knows that if he fires that gun at someone,
it could kill them.
It has the capacity to take someone's life.
It does matter what you have done and what you haven't done, Nathan.
So if you do want to tell us what your involvement was,
this is your opportunity to tell us.
What I done was begged my friend to calm down so we could end this.
I didn't want anyone to get hurt.
We have the fingerprints, we have the description.
Everything points to it being Nathan as the shooter.
But the only people that know what's happened in that flat
are Nathan and Paul, and we need for someone to talk.
As this is a continuation, Paul,
I won't ask you to state your name again.
The officer that was in the vehicle that was shot at,
he states that over the radio he heard that
somebody had threatened to shoot police officers if they came close.
Do you remember that?
So, those threats weren't made by you?
I didn't make any...
They might have misinterpreted them, because I said,
"Look, if you come through the door,
"you're going to get shot in the head.”
But that wasn't by me.
Right, OK.
When he went to sleep, I moved the thing.
So that's why it had my marks on it.
OK.
When we say move the thing, are we talking about...what?
The three-foot thing.
OK. And then I'm worried now because I've touched it. OK.
I'm just going through the list of the things the CPS want.
So they want forensic reports on the guns,
download a review of all mobile phones.
Nathan Turner's phone is downloaded
to see whether it reveals any further evidence against him.
I was hoping for some pictures of weapons, but...
£135 on 200 Diazepam.
He's bought it off the internet.
He looks kind of normal there. He does.
With his kids at the beach. Look.
Look, he was doing some sort of course.
I think he's been having some sort of breakdown for the last month.
It's a shame really, ain't it? Yeah.
Because he actually looks like he quite had his life together.
To see his kids on his phone.
SNIFFS They all look beautiful.
Yeah. And I'm not allowed to see mine, innit. Mm.
Now I'm not going to be able to see her again.
And I haven't done nothing with no fucking gun.
The officer that was shot at
says that he felt absolutely no doubt
that this was an intentional shot at him.
He then does state that the person on the balcony
he would describe as balding, between 30 to 40 years,
and wearing a grey hoodie.
You look a little bit taken aback by that.
OK. So, just to summarise then, so, you're with Nathan,
you're kind of hanging out, decide you're going to have a kebab,
you then go to bed.
As far as you're concerned, you then wake up at one o'clock
to check your dog. At any stage during this,
what's that, seven hours, did you wake up for any reason?
I did wake up a couple of times, yes.
What did you do when you woke up? Did you go out on to the balcony?
Er...
I did with the air rifle.
Why did you do that?
You know what? I don't know why I did it, but...
I was just pointing out the simple fact that I've got it, you know,
and just leave me alone and go away from me.
All I want to do is sleep.
I thought it was on lock,
and when I fired it, it hit the ground.
What made you fire?
No, it was an accident. OK.
So you're saying that was an accidental fire? Yes.
So you didn't squeeze the trigger intentionally
thinking the lock was on? No. OK.
Anything else you'd like to add before we end the interview? No. OK.
BEEP
Hello. Can you imagine? No, you're OK.
Did you hear the account that he's given in interview?
He's admitted to him firing the gun.
Oh. But he said his hand's accidentally slipped
and pulled the trigger,
but he said it hit the ground, and it definitely hit the ground.
I think we do.
Do you think you'll make it?
At the moment, I think Burton, yeah. Yeah.
The officer that was in the vehicle says it's Turner.
He can easily account for making that mistake.
He's just been shot at, hasn't he? It was eight floors down as well.
Eight floors down. If he, even if he has watched CCTV afterwards,
it could corrupt his memory, couldn't it? Yeah.
Yeah. And Burton's admitted to shooting a firearm, right?
Paul is the one that's fired the weapon.
He was the one that knew about the capability of that weapon,
and that one shot is the shot that hit the officer's car.
So we've got nine of fences for Turner. Yeah.
And eight of fences for Burton.
So we're ready for charging when it comes through.
He is a very reliable witness.
He's a police officer, he's experienced in what he does.
But he is a human. People make mistakes.
In that moment when you've got fear and adrenaline,
your brain doesn't necessarily process everything.
OK. In the statement, I just want to ask you how it's affected you.
OK. How are you feeling now?
So the mind's a wonderful thing. It plays tricks on you
and sort of replays things differently after a period of time.
People might think, "Oh, you're fine, you've walked away from it,
"you've got no injuries," but it's the what ifs.
You went home - talk to your partner about it?
Yeah, I'l0l be honest with you.
That was quite difficult.
She feels very proud of me and the incident that had happened,
but while she was happy, she was angry at the same time,
angry that I've gone to work and been put in this position.
She told me that I need to leave the job.
It's really hard to process, because if I'd been stabbed,
I'd have an injury. Yes.
You know, I've got a physical injury that I can say,
"This is what's happened to me."
There's just, you know.
I've got nothing to show for it, and I've managed to walk away from it.
Mental health referrals were made for both of these guys in September
and nothing's ever happened with them. Does that surprise you?
No, it doesn't, but that's how we've ended up in this state.
There has been a real failure.
Got it.
Both persons have been charged on remand.
Right. Can I go to custody? Off you go. Go...go, go, go.
Hey, Paul? Yeah.
We need you up at the charge desk, mate.
I've got some information I've got to tell you.
We know that the massive deterioration
of their mental health has led to this point,
but it's not a defence.
You've got people that could have trauma for the rest of their lives
because of their actions.
Hiya, Paul. These officers have been speaking to CPS,
and the CPS have authorised a number of charges, mate.
So they've got to read them out to you and go from there.
Are you ready, Paul? Yes.
On the 27th of November, 2022,
at Bedford in the county of Bedfordshire,
you attempted to murder BLEEP.
More and more, we're seeing assaults against police,
for whatever reasons.
The more other services struggle, the more that we struggle,
the more that police officers put themselves in danger,
and no-one should have to deal with that.
No-one should have to go to work thinking,
"Am I going to get assaulted today?”
OK, Robbery.
On the 27th of the 11th, 2022,
at Bedford in the country of Bedfordshire,
you robbed a Just Eat bag of an unknown value.
Possession of an imitation firearm, on arrest for schedule one of fence.
Mr Turner.
Take care, Paul. Yeah.
My worry is that if Nathan was released
that something like this could happen again.
He makes it very clear that he's willing to hurt people.
Hiya, Nathan.
Just to let you know what's going on,
these officers have been speaking to the CPS for the last few hours.
CPS have authorised a number of charges against you, mate.
I've got to get the officer to read them out to you, all right?
No.
CONTINUES SHOUTING
There's so many different factors as to why he's been failed
and why we've led to this point.
It's really sad for him,
sad for the people in that block,
and it's really sad for his daughter and his ex-partner.
Hopefully while he's in prison, he'll get the help that he needs
to be able to live in the general public.
BEEP
ON PHONE: Good evening, Crime Bureau.
Hi Hi Um...
I suffer with mental health issues and one of them is paranoia.
Someone has been trying to break through my door, but I'm really...
I'm really scared, to be honest, and I...
OK. If anyone comes through that door, I'm armed to the teeth.
How have you been coping with your mental health?
Have you been taking your medication?
TEARFULLY: I'm not... I'm not doing very well.
It's up to you. I don't mind.
Nathan, can you hear?
HE SHOUTS
We're going to keep talking, mate. You ready? All right.
So, the next of fence is criminal damage to property
contrary to section one... HE SHOUTS
SHE CONTINUES READING
In the space of a week... Yeah.
...I've lost my relationship.
I haven't done nothing wrong.
Nothing is going to stop me being a dad.
Right, Nathan, would you like me to call somebody for you?
Because I am concerned about you, OK?
An imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence,
in respect of... HE SHOUTS
...abuse with intent by means thereof to cause BLEEP
to believe that unlawful violence
would be used against him or another.
When was the last time that you spoke to the doctor?
They referred me, because I said, yeah,
I could do with some referral, please,
and then when it came to go, they sent me a text saying,
"Sorry, we haven't got any staff."
So that is all the of fences you're being charged with, OK?
Did you understand all of that?
Right, so you didn't get any help?
No, there's... There's no-one TO help me.
Our partners in the NHS have got a huge burden at the moment
on them to deal with these mental health crises, we understand that.
But it does affect us hugely in what we do.
Hello, pups.
Hey. Good girl.
Hey, mate. Good girl.
It's just unfortunate people are in that position that...
have not quite got the help that they need, because we can't
always provide the right level of care and support.
We're obviously, we're learning to
do that the best way we can and we'll continue to do so.
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