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This program me contains
very strong language from the start

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and scenes of violence

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Hello, Gaybook.
Hello, Bedfordshire Police.

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Hello, the delivery driver
who fails his job.

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Today, I ordered two kebabs.

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The geezer sat outside my flat
for 45 minutes,

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so I thought it was only fair, since
he forgot my salad and it was cold,

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that he had to wait upstairs with me
for an hour and a half.

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So, I kept him while I ate
my cold pitta bread

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and chicken with no salad.

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NO AUDIO

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So I'd like to report a theft,
actually.

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I would like to report a crime.
They stole my salad

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and they stole the heat
off of my takeaway.

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So if possibly anyone could get in
touch with Bedfordshire Police...

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DIAL TONE
Police emergency.

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Hiya. Erm, I'm just
sort of waking up

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and my neighbours are just being...
I don't know what they're doing.

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They've got really loud music on

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and they keep coming out into the
hallway and shouting and hollering.

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I basically just popped on out there
and told them to shut the fuck up.

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Then next thing I know, I've come in
my flat, heard all the noise again,

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come to the spyhole and looked out -
he's got a big gun in his hand!

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It was like... It looked like a big,
like, AK-47 or something.

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And they're shouting
and hollering about

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"The next person that comes out here
is gonna get shot in the head.”

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It's crucial that we find the truth.

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Police! Police!

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Hands behind your back.

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Got to question everything.
Believe nobody.

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It's almost a game of chess,
trying to get them to slip up.

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This is your opportunity
to talk to me.

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Right, what we doing here?

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GUN CLICKS
Ready?

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We're gonna stay on the phone
with you until we get there, OK?

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All right. Thank you.

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He's screaming again now.
They're going nuts.

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Are you back inside?

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Yeah, I'm back inside.
I've locked my door.

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Armed officers from Bedfordshire
Police arrive at the flats

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where the two men are making threats
with a firearm.

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OVER RADIO: Bravo cell 217.

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Can you move the other unit forward
to the eighth floor, over?

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Yeah, we've potentially identified
Nathan as Nathan Turner.

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He's got mental health markers
for bipolar.

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I've had a really bad week this week

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and I asked Bedfordshire Police
to help me.

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And do you know what benefits I got?

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I got one riot van with
armed response.

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I got one riot van with no guns.

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I got one police car.

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DOG WHINES
Hey, quiet.

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Good boy.

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Good boy.

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They come and can either arrest me
or section me.

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Bedfordshire Police,
you are sickening me.

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Yeah, some further intel
on Nathan Turner.

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He's currently having time
away from his children.

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Mental health, er...
Is in poor condition.

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We've got sufficient kit,
equipment and officers now

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outside the flat door.

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Are you happy to go?
Yeah, happy when you are.

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BANGING ON DOOR

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Armed police! Show yourself
at the front door now!

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Fine. If you don't come out,
we'll be coming in,

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so it's best you open the door.

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Do exactly as you're told with
nothing in your hands

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and nothing will happen.

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FACEBOOK RECORDING: Look, right,
to all you fucking idiots

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that are trying to get into
my house, yeah?

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I'll tell you what. If anyone tries
to come in my house, yeah,

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you'd better be bringing guns.

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You'd better be bringing guns.
You'd better be bringing knives.

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Because that scythe is going
in one of your heads.

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Just want to confirm that we have
two male voices definitely inside,

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one probably being Nathan.

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Officer Ashdown.

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We've got a siege under way,
armed siege,

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at Bury Court in Bedford.

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Earlier this morning, there is
a dispute with a takeaway driver.

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And our subject, Nathan Turner,
he got...

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He got really uppity about it.

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They weren't gonna let him leave.

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Until either they got a refund
or got the correct order.

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So, you went upstairs? Yeah.

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Yeah? Yeah.
And they locked you inside? Yes.

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Where inside did they lock you?

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You know, just, you know...
Corridor, or inside the house?

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No, no, no house. In the corridor?
You know, just... Corridor? Yeah.

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So there was no salad and they
wanted you to stay for two hours?

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Yeah. Why... Did they say why they
wanted you to stay? I don't know.

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It's not really proportionate for
somebody to be held as a hostage

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for a period of time by anybody just
cos they haven't provided salad.

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So it immediately raised alarm bells

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as soon as we heard those reports
coming in.

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Nathan, let me explain something
to you, mate. We've had a call

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that says somebody's been
outside with a gun.

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Obviously, that's why we're here
doing what we're doing now.

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What, this is from the internal
CCTV? Yeah. It is indeed.

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Look, Dave, we've got pictures
of the weapon here.

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Oh, dear. If you saw that
pointed at you...

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The gun looks like it's been
professionally set up.

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It's got a telescopic scope on it.

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It's got a suppressor on
the end of the barrel.

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If you've got somebody that's
unpredictable with a firearm,

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it immediately creates
that element of risk.

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Are they fully in control of it?

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Do they know what
they're doing with it?

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Either way,
they're potentially lethal,

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so you've got to take it seriously.

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The easiest way for us
to deal with this

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is for you to come out one by one,
nice and calmly.

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You hear that? "You come in,
one of you gets killed." Roger that.

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For discussion, there is to be no
dynamic tactic to enter the flat

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unless there is the immediate
threat to life.

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One of the reasons I use the camera
is to record the command suite,

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so if we do on this occasion
discharge our gun

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and somebody gets killed,

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it's absolutely right that
the public has access

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to everything I knew and what was
going on at the time.

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I'm assuming at this stage

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there is nobody else in
any of these flats left.

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Right, so the building itself,
it hasn't been emptied.

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We've asked for the floor itself,
immediately below

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and immediately above.

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Just in case he tries to climb
or descend a flight. Yeah.

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Officers on the ground are ordered
to surround the block

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and evacuate all residents
on Nathan Turner's floor.

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OK, I need you to get dressed,
everyone in the flat to get dressed

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and we need to evacuate you.

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Why? Cos there's a firearms incident
going on. CHILD STARTS CRYING

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For your safety, we need to get you
out of the block of flats. OK.

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Just letting you guys know.

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Everything's fine. There's
no need to be scared.

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There might be a balcony
that links... Right.

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Can the dog handler keep an eye
on that? Can he see that?

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I think it's that one... Hotel 431.

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...where you've got a light on
either side of the balcony.

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Drone. Drone. That's for sure.

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Ground from Oscar one, over.

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Go ahead.

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Can you pass the message on that
this is now a major incident?

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Honestly, I can't tell you.

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We have to get everything
checked first

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to ensure the safety of
officers, public,

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as well as the individuals
inside the flat.

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In terms of interactions
with the police,

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we've not got a lot as far
as I can see,

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but there were some concerns
around...

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He had a Rambo knife
in his property.

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So...23rd, so that's fairly recent.

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Subject has come out
on to the balcony.

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IC1 male. Short to bald.

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He's throwing stuff.
SMASH

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RADIO CHATTER
Throwing bottles.

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There's some suggestion
intelligence-wise of that

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Nathan's girlfriend lives in the
same block on a different floor.

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More stuff.
He's got something in his hand.

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CRASH

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9-0 ARV one. He's come out.

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He's got a paint pot...
CRASH

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...and he's thrown it down towards
the vehicles.

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Can any of you lot obviously confirm
where the ex-girlfriend is?

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She was in her flat.

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ARV one, subject is back out
on the balcony.

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CRASH

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Subject has thrown two further
items at police vehicles.

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From housing records,

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police suspect the second male
in the flat to be Paul Burton.

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We know very little
about Paul at all.

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Last arrest 2013. May 2013.

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Shoplifting and theft-related
of fences.

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We don't like unknowns.

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Hello, darling. Where'd you live?

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Oh, you're the negotiator? Lovely.
You're here quick. Is it 20 minutes?

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So we've got subject address is this
one here immediately on the right.

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Yep. And then we've got a...
The guy who's acting as a friendly,

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called Nathan, who we think might
be hostile - probably not friendly.

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Nathan, are you safe?

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I'm a negotiator.

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So, what's happening?
Tell me what's happening in there.

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NATHAN: I have been let down by
the police countless times.

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Do you understand?

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Nathan, I'm really sorry you feel
like we've let you down.

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Mm. Mm-hm. I don't want that.

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If you talk to me about it,
we might be able to help you.

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Very often when you're dealing with
somebody that's threatening others,

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there's a trigger event.

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It's important for us
to try and identify

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if that is causing the behaviour.

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So, tell me about your daughter.
What?

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Tell me about your daughter.

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You have to be somebody
that they can believe in

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and you need to believe in them
and trust them as well.

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If it's a heightened emotional
state, it's difficult.

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Are you all right? I'm sorry.
Is it difficult to speak about?

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CRYING: I can't even think
about her. Come in.

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You know, you're pissing me off now.

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Come in. Come in! Come in.

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BANGING
Open up the door!

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I'm gonna fuck you up if you wanna
kick down my door.

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He's gonna shoot and kill one
of you. I'll fuck the rest up.

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DOG WHINES

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Hey, all right. Good boy.

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It's fucking...

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DOG WHINES

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He's threatened to shoot us.

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Nathan, can you hear me?

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Nathan, I just really need
to hear that you're OK.

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I really don't want him to point
that gun down there.

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Bravo 2163.

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DOG WHINES

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Zero Sierra 2-6.
Can you track left a bit?

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Is there someone on that balcony?

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Nathan, what's going on?

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Nathan?

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Oh, fuck's sake...

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DOG WHINES Nice excuse
to sit in outside the rain for me.

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SINGLE BANG

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Yeah.

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Who's hurt?

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REPORTER: Police negotiators
are dealing with a situation

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at Bury Court in
the Goldington Green area

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after reports of a man
with a firearm

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at a high-rise block of flats.

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Police were called to Bury Court
at around 6am.

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A small number of flats
were evacuated.

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Nathan, can you hear me?

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WHISPERING:

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Oh.

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Is everyone OK in there?

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It's the worst-case scenario,
any shots fired at a police officer.

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First thing that goes through your
mind is, "That's my colleague."

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You know, "Are they safe?
Am I responsible?"

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Where's your car been hit?

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Ooh!
DEEP BREATHING

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It's not... You know how
a gas-powered one,

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you don't really hear? This one's
made an actual fuckin' noise,

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a loud pop and a spark from it.

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That's a .22, isn't it? Yeah.

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It's a .22, look.

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We heard the discharge. We heard
the pop. This is what I mean.

243
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,895
RADIO CHATTER

244
00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,615
Can you stay in? Yeah.

245
00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,575
Be around this side.

246
00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,975
Put ourselves out of range
of that weapon.

247
00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,535
Yeah. Which'll give him more time

248
00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,015
and space.

249
00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,495
One of the considerations that
immediately goes through your mind

250
00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,375
is, "Is this the start of an
escalation in the behaviour

251
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,935
"of the subjects?"

252
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,735
Use the line, building line,
for cover from view.

253
00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,975
You know, they've done it once -
are they gonna do it again?

254
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,175
Cover up, mate.

255
00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:09,815
Cover on.

256
00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:10,895
Moving.

257
00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,255
For the officers on the ground,

258
00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,175
when you've got that firearm
pointed at you...

259
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,495
Moving.

260
00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,735
...the fear is really palpable.

261
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,775
OK, ladies and gents.
This is a cold briefing.

262
00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,095
I am Chief Superintendent
Dave Boyle.

263
00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,695
OK. Steve, over to you, please.

264
00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,495
So, the negotiations started
and they were, you know,

265
00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,855
particularly Nathan
has been talking to us,

266
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,015
but at 8.45 this morning,
the occupants have themselves

267
00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,895
leant out of the balcony window

268
00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,455
and taken a shot, a single shot
with a long-barrel led weapon,

269
00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,175
towards the police vehicles.

270
00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,575
An examination of that vehicle has
revealed what we believe to be

271
00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,455
a .22 calibre bullet. The tactics
then have remained the same

272
00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,615
in that we are still maintaining
negotiations

273
00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,975
but the only addition is the rifle
officer on the outside aspect.

274
00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,295
You're positioning the rifle officer

275
00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,655
in the place where they can take a
potentially lethal shot if required.

276
00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,295
The other one, I don't see.

277
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,615
We're in position Y aspect...

278
00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,695
Approximately 70m from the building
in a position of cover.

279
00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,815
We would be looking and assessing
their behaviour.

280
00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:34,615
Make the decision, ultimately,

281
00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,695
do I need to discharge my weapon

282
00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,615
to stop somebody else
possibly being at risk?

283
00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,175
We've got drone footage
on the external,

284
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,575
which confirms the movement of
Nathan in and out on the balcony.

285
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,175
He has indicators of mental health
issues, possible bipolar.

286
00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,135
The second male, Paul, is believed
to be asleep at this time.

287
00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,255
One subject's presented again
at the balcony.

288
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,055
Only seen the one subject,
though, haven't we?

289
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,975
Yeah. Same person?
Copy that. Received.

290
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,415
Yeah. But there is definitely
two voices, isn't there?

291
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,655
From within, yeah.

292
00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,455
The other one, I don't see.

293
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,135
There's members of the public
on the roof of the building

294
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,135
engaging with the subject.
Telling him to come out.

295
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,975
Er, just a general question.

296
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,015
Are we hopeful that we will bring
this to a successful completion

297
00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,735
within daylight hours?

298
00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,775
Well, perhaps not within
daylight hours, no.

299
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,535
We're mindful that his state of mind
may be one that is

300
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:39,095
slightly confused at the moment,
and may not respond rationally

301
00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:42,975
to what we might consider to be
reasonable directions by the police.

302
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,175
Obviously the subject's behaviour's
drawing a lot of attention

303
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,815
from the occupants within the flats.

304
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:57,175
And I'm briefed that he was
live streaming on Facebook.

305
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,455
OK.

306
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,055
So I think we need to have a look at
what that's actually telling us

307
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,775
about his mindset, his demeanour,
his intentions.

308
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:10,695
NATHAN: So look, right?

309
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,415
These people, look, oen...

310
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,255
And then over there on the ground,
they've got ambulance.

311
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,255
Two riot vans over there.

312
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,855
Three, four, five, six, seven,
eight, nine.

313
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,375
Oh, look at them cars.
They all look fucked-up.

314
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,735
I wonder why that is? Anyway...

315
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,575
Do you know what? I've lost
my daughter this week.

316
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,215
I've lost everything.

317
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,935
And...now I'm gonna get shot,
so if I get shot, anyone,

318
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,255
er...it's been nice knowing you all.

319
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,535
And these police,

320
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,135
there's a negotiator
trying to fucking fool me.

321
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,895
Look at that person over there.

322
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,135
Look. Is there anyone in that car?

323
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,535
Look. Hello!

324
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,415
Fucking pig cunt.

325
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,935
Police acquire Nathan Turner's
phone number,

326
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,695
allowing negotiators to
call him directly.

327
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,975
She's calling you, Nathan.
DIAL TONE

328
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,295
Hello.

329
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,575
That's so much better.
I can hear you now.

330
00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:27,375
Do comms, mate. He's on the balcony.
ARV one.

331
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,695
NEGOTIATOR: Nathan,
let's get you out of this situation

332
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,895
and let's get you out of the flat.

333
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,135
Nah. I'm not leaving my friend here.

334
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,815
POLICE OFFICER: Cover on.
What you doing?

335
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,575
Can I speak to Paul?

336
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:43,895
MUFFLED REPLY

337
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,335
Paul?

338
00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:47,855
How are you feeling?

339
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,375
It absolutely matters.

340
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,735
Nathan.

341
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,415
Stop shouting at me and talk to me.

342
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,095
Talk to me.
Like I'm a human being, yeah?

343
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,375
And I'll talk to you
like you're a human being.

344
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,975
Yeah, yeah. Well, I can see he's...

345
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,095
He's on his balcony at the moment.
We're watching him from the drone.

346
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,535
Nathan, what I need you to do
is get outside of that flat

347
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,575
so that we can start to help you,

348
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,695
but I cannot help you when you're
inside a flat with a gun.

349
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,175
I'm fucked, anyway.

350
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,815
You are not fucked anyway.

351
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,255
You've got so much ahead of you,
haven't you?

352
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,055
I've lost my girl on top
of my daughter.

353
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,535
TEARFUL: I don't have fun no more.

354
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,895
Listen, being in this situation
is not gonna help you

355
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,535
and your relationship with
your daughter, is it?

356
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,255
Promise him whatever he needs to
motivate him out of the door.

357
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:04,175
Yeah, just got to persist with it,
I think.

358
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,975
WHISPERING: He's talking
like he wants to finish it.

359
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,015
He's talking like he wants
to finish this.

360
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,295
He wants to come out,
don't he? Yeah.

361
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,015
Got indications of him surrendering.

362
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,655
He's saying he's ready to come out,

363
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,695
so we're just trying
to facilitate that.

364
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,255
There isn't gonna be anybody
jumping on you.

365
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,535
Don't you arrest me?

366
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,175
You will be arrested, yeah.

367
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,615
He's ended the call.

368
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,415
Nathan, can you hear me?

369
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,415
Cos you're gonna rush in
to fucking...

370
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,415
We're not gonna... You are.
We're not gonna rush in.

371
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,815
Nathan, if you come out slowly
with your hands on your head,

372
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,215
I promise you, there will be
no sudden movements.

373
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,815
Come on.

374
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,495
OFFICER: OK, can you
hear me all right?

375
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,535
So, he wants to come out.

376
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,095
He doesn't want, obviously, loads of
guns and stuff pointing at him.

377
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,215
Nice, calm communication.
Give him that time.

378
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,175
Everyone happy? Yep.

379
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,655
Snakes and reptiles and...
Right. Coming to the door now.

380
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,015
As well as, erm...

381
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,055
Tact two OC, he's coming to
the door now, over.

382
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,575
DOOR SQUEAKS

383
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,575
Nathan?

384
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,895
Needs to come out of this.
OK, lovely.

385
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,895
Over the barricade.

386
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,495
SUPERINTENDENT:
Fear is a real strong emotion.

387
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,055
Actually, it's probably one of
the biggest risk elements

388
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,775
of any firearms operation.

389
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,815
Just make sure we can see
your hands, Nathan.

390
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,855
All right. I'm coming out with
my hands on my head.

391
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,135
He says he's coming out with his
hands on his head. Yeah.

392
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,335
Human beings want to stay safe.
They want to survive, don't they?

393
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,615
And the fear that that might not be,
you know, the future for them

394
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,055
if there's a risk to them,
that actually makes them

395
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,495
more emotional, more volatile.

396
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,175
OFFICER: Door handle's moving.

397
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,455
You're doing really well,
Nathan. Well done.

398
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,015
SUPERINTENDENT: Trust is key.

399
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,815
We make them feel safe.

400
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,415
LOCK CLICKS

401
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,095
Just keep your hands where we
can see them. Well done.

402
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,495
You're doing a great job.

403
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,175
You can do this.

404
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,255
Well done.

405
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,855
OFFICERS SHOUT AT ONCE
Nathan, come here, mate.

406
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,215
A little bit to your left.
Nathan. Well done, Nathan.

407
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,735
Nathan, come here, buddy.
Walk towards me.

408
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,095
You're not gonna be harmed.
Please don't...

409
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:32,455
Promise you, we're not gonna
hurt you. Just walk towards me.

410
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,055
I'll come... Yep, come over here,
mate, and do that.

411
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,775
Yeah, perfect.
Walk towards me, Nathan.

412
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,895
Come here. Keep coming.

413
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,215
Keep coming. Please don't taser me.

414
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,055
We're not gonna hurt you.
We're not gonna taser you.

415
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,495
Walk towards me.
Keep coming, Nathan.

416
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,015
Keep coming. Well done, Nathan.
Keep coming. Please don't...

417
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,175
No, we're not gonna... Nathan.
Put your hands on that door.

418
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,655
Put your hands on that door.
That's it.

419
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,815
Just there, mate. Lovely.
OFFICER: Stay there.

420
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,215
Look at the wall. Look at the wall.

421
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,615
If you keep your hands there, mate.
Keep your hands there.

422
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,175
NEGOTIATOR: Such a good job.
Keep your hands there.

423
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,815
Don't do anything silly, all right?

424
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,335
Just keep your hands there. Cuff up.

425
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,575
I'm not gonna try anything.
Cuffs. Well done, Nathan.

426
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,255
Put your other hand
behind your back.

427
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,095
Lovely. Well done, Nathan.
Don't you...

428
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,415
I know, mate. Relax.
HANDCUFFS CLICK

429
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,975
You're OK.

430
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,855
Just check that. Check his back.

431
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,975
WOMAN: My man's eating a biscuit
as he's getting arrested.

432
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,775
MAN: My man's getting
nicked for firearms

433
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,735
and eats a biscuit while
he's getting nicked.

434
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,015
Well, that's the way
the cookie crumbles!

435
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,735
If I hold them. If I hold the
packet... Pick them up.

436
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,335
Oh, brilliant, yep.
That's the best idea.

437
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,255
Or you're gonna end up dropping
the whole lot on the floor. Yeah.

438
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,855
The two men responsible for
the armed siege at Bury Court

439
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,495
have both now surrendered
and are under arrest.

440
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,375
OK, mate. I want you to listen
carefully to me, OK?

441
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,895
You're under arrest on suspicion
of attempted murder.

442
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,775
Attempted murder?!
And criminal damage.

443
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,255
Grounds for the arrest are that
at some point today

444
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,575
it's suspected that you discharged
a firearm at a police vehicle

445
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,175
with a police officer inside.

446
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,495
I'm... I'm not gonna give you
any trouble. That's fine.

447
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,975
I'm not a violent man.

448
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,495
Can't be moving your handcuffs.
TEARFULLY: You've just arrested me

449
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,415
for attempted murder.

450
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,255
But do you remember?
It's "on suspicion of."

451
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,935
We'll start getting you
into the car?

452
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,255
I just... That's it. Come on, then.
..wanna talk to my daughter.

453
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,215
Have another Jaffa cake.

454
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,535
I just... I can't...

455
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,335
I'll make sure the dog's
all right, yeah? OK?

456
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,375
What are you fucking staring at?
What are you fucking staring at?

457
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,535
Nathan, don't worry about them.

458
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,775
What are you fucking staring at?!

459
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,215
Dave.

460
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,575
All out. Surrendered.

461
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,055
He's come out.

462
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,695
Er, no.

463
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,975
So we'll do the deliberate
search now.

464
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,615
There's a lot of stuff,
isn't there? Yeah.

465
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,415
Oh, my God, there's a snake!

466
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,055
He does have a big python.

467
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,175
There's loads of reptiles in here,
as well. Is there? Yeah.

468
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,655
What's in here?

469
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,055
Another python in there.
Python under that rock.

470
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,655
I'm not sure whether to be impressed
or to be really creeped out.

471
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,295
We've got the firearm in the
wardrobe in the bedroom down here.

472
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,695
In here.

473
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,495
Oh, yeah. But the magazine size
is a bit strange. Mm.

474
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,735
Make sure that he speaks to
what's-the-name. Pleasure.

475
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,135
Erm...

476
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,975
Just from me,

477
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,615
the main health and safety issue
is that dog handler.

478
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,295
That could have been a lot worse.

479
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,375
A bit of concern for me, I think.
How did we get to this position

480
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,175
when there seems to be a real
concern around mental health?

481
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,535
A mach.

482
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,895
It's gonna be a break-barrel
weapon there.

483
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,095
Safety catch is off at this point,

484
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,935
so just don't go near
the trigger at all.

485
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,895
Mental health has had a bigger
and bigger impact on policing

486
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,415
and many of my colleagues are
deployed on a daily basis

487
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,415
to deal with mental health crises.

488
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,615
And unfortunately it can play out
in terms of use of weapons.

489
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,095
If we're able to get into a dialogue
with somebody,

490
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,375
that suggests they've got
a level of awareness.

491
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,935
And a lot of English and UK law
is based around decision-making.

492
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,935
You can have a mental illness
and still make guilty choices.

493
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,935
I'm going to put it back down,

494
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,575
because there is a round
in the barrel.

495
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,935
Mental health crises
can affect behaviours,

496
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,615
but there's still that
personal responsibility for them.

497
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,015
Stand in here.

498
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,255
And you said attempt murder,
yeah?

499
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,735
For attempt murder
and threats to kill.

500
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,615
Don't do anything silly, yeah?

501
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,375
Excellent.

502
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,935
OK.

503
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,735
What alcohol have you had
in the last 24 hours, mate?

504
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,575
Vodka.

505
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,895
You've taken ten valiums today?

506
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,215
No, it's probably 20.

507
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,015
I'm on ten milligrams.

508
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,815
20 ten milligrams?

509
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,775
It's too much for you.
You need to get your blood checked.

510
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,575
That's a lot, innit?

511
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,895
That's like quite a lot.
Here you go.

512
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,295
But I feel really happy.

513
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,535
With the suspects in custody,
the case is handed to

514
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,535
detectives in CID.

515
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,535
Do we need anything other than CCTV
for the lift,

516
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,055
and CCTV for the other side
of the eighth floor?

517
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,615
Jobs like this are so unusual.

518
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,495
I have heard of sieges
happening before, but usually

519
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,815
by the time the armed police turn
up, the people come out willingly.

520
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,935
I was up in the gold command room,
so I saw the drone footage,

521
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,495
I saw the live CCTVs.

522
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,135
Nathan comes across
as the ringleader.

523
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,055
He's very loud,
very confrontational.

524
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,735
He's the only one we sort of really
know anything about.

525
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,575
How's it going?
Yeah. Not bad.

526
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,135
OK, so where do you want?

527
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,495
We've got one half of the eighth
floor. We need the other side.

528
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,815
Which side, north side or...? South.
We've got north. If possible. OK.

529
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,655
There's the gun. Oh, yeah, look.

530
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,615
That CCTV is gold dust.

531
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,415
It's so unusual
to get such clear footage.

532
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,095
Forget the siege,
forget everything else.

533
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,935
That moment when they come out
with that weapon,

534
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,535
you've got multiple of fences
committed.

535
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,295
It's scary, isn't it?

536
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,655
He could kill someone with it.

537
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,375
It is an air rifle,
but it's modified.

538
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,135
So it's so powerful,
it's classified as a firearm

539
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,495
in its own right,
and therefore it's not legal.

540
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,375
They record all the time,
don't they?

541
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,775
Like, constantly?
Are they constantly recording?

542
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,255
Yes. They are?

543
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,215
Does the other guy,
have you ever,

544
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,095
has anyone even seen him holding
the weapon at any point?

545
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,975
It's always Paul with the gun.

546
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,495
The officer could have died

547
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,855
if that windscreen
hadn't stopped the bullet.

548
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,015
It's so important that we work out
who's responsible for that.

549
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,055
What are you...?

550
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,855
Nathan, he's clearly very angry
at the police in particular.

551
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,375
I don't know why that is.
I don't know what it is

552
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,815
that he thinks that
we've not helped him with.

553
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,415
It's a very clear motive.

554
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,695
Hello, mate, are you OK?

555
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,735
But then they were both
in possession of that gun

556
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,415
whilst in the flat, whilst parading
around, they're both making threats.

557
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,615
Yeah, you've been arrested for
attempt murder and criminal damage.

558
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,735
It's really important
to keep an open mind.

559
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,775
Do you want legal advice
whilst you're here?

560
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,815
No. I just want a copy of
full disclosure.

561
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,375
And any particular reason
why you don't want a solicitor?

562
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,735
well no, I'll look at
the full disclosure

563
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,695
and then I'll go from there.
If I think I need a solicitor

564
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,775
I'lLl go from there. OK.

565
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,055
You're just going to wait and see?
Wait and see, sure.

566
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,175
I go outside,
there's paint everywhere,

567
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,175
I'm like, "What the fuck?"

568
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,575
I've got the mental health nurse
here. Hi, Matron.

569
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,735
Still intoxicated, Turner and Burton
will spend the night in custody

570
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,615
before facing questioning
in the morning.

571
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,295
I'll get somebody to come down and
tell you what I've got. All right.

572
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,695
We are looking for a pellet
from an airgun.

573
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,735
If it's hit the windscreen,
that may have rebounded off.

574
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,935
Is it just a grey...?

575
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,415
A grey thing with a cone at one end?

576
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,095
With the suspects having known
mental health conditions...

577
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,415
Are you feeling all right, Paul?

578
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,255
...both are assessed
and deemed fit for interview.

579
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,375
So this is Paul? That's Paul.

580
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,655
Yeah, and that's Nathan
with the dog? And that's Nathan.

581
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,735
Did we get a first account
from him yet?

582
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,455
No. They... They've gone now.

583
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,815
No comment.

584
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,735
No comment.

585
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,095
Mr Turner, I haven't asked you
a question yet. No comment.

586
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,815
I've got freedom of speech
in this room, have I not?

587
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,095
You then sent messages... No
comment. ..received messages...

588
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,535
No comment. No comment.
No comment.

589
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,935
No comment. No comment.
No com-mate.

590
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,935
Describe...
No, not com-mate, no comment.

591
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,935
No comment. Seeing Mr Turner...
No comment. ..leaning through...

592
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,295
CLEARS THROAT LOUDLY
..and she opened the door...

593
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,055
No comment. ..to tell them
to turn the music down.

594
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,655
Would you like your drink
or could I have

595
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,615
a little sip of this, please?
Thank you. No comment.

596
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,175
Are you responsible
for the of fence of...? No comment.

597
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,495
No comment. ..of attempted murder?
No...

598
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,135
Fucking definitely no con to...

599
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,415
...fucking comment.

600
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,135
No comment.

601
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:14,775
BEEP

602
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,695
You don't have any legal
representation with you. No.

603
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,215
Just for the recording,
could you let us know why you don't

604
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,815
want legal advice, mate?
Don't need a solicitor because

605
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,095
as far as I'm concerned,
I've done nothing...

606
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,975
...that warrants a solicitor.
OK.

607
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,015
How did you get this?

608
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,335
There's two riot vans over there.

609
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,695
The geezer who I ordered
a fucking takeaway off,

610
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,335
when he came upstairs, I said,

611
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,095
"You've got to wait upstairs
for an hour and a half.”

612
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,055
Wow.

613
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,935
He was live streaming on Facebook
as well. Oh, was he? Yeah.

614
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,175
I'm going to go back to the food
you've ordered.

615
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,695
So when did you first see
the driver?

616
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,495
No comment.

617
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,815
Was it... Did you meet him
in the corridor?

618
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,895
No comment.

619
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,615
It's alleged that you have used
a small wooden table

620
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,415
and jammed it in the door,
preventing the doors from closing.

621
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,575
Essentially, this is just
why you're here. No comment.

622
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,975
It wasn't even correct,
what we ordered.

623
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,615
It was like doner meat,
and that was it.

624
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,615
Well, where's the rest of it?
That don't cost £20.

625
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,775
Hello, Gaybook.

626
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,575
Hello, Bedfordshire Police.

627
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,055
Hello... Let me Teams Adam.

628
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,455
I'll see if he can pause
the interview.

629
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,175
That delivery driver
would have been so scared,

630
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,895
and they're both so threatening.

631
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,495
The fact that they can do that
to one person,

632
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,175
I don't think
they've got any boundaries

633
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,815
about what they would do
to other people.

634
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:12,455
What I'm going to do now, Nathan,
is play some videos.

635
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,295
No, that probably weren't me.

636
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,615
...is because the geezer...

637
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,135
So that probably wasn't you?
..I ordered fucking takeaway off...

638
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,015
I don't think so.

639
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,775
No. It doesn't sound like me.

640
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,295
...while it went cold,

641
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,895
so I said, "You've got to wait
upstairs for an hour and a half."

642
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,215
OK.

643
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,375
Is that you talking about the
situation with the delivery driver?

644
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,615
No.

645
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,015
I don't know what it is.

646
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,815
And he was like, "Listen,” you know,

647
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,855
"don't try and rip us off,"
and all that,

648
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,695
"you made us wait an hour,
over an hour for our dinner,

649
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:46,375
"which is now cold.” Mm-hmm.
"By the way."

650
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,735
Said, "If you went to a house, you'd
have had it all, wouldn't you?"

651
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,095
He's gone, "Yes."

652
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,495
Because we live in a high-rise flat,
we're just treated like scum.

653
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,015
VIDEO: I thought it was only fair,
since he forgot my salad,

654
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,655
and it was cold,

655
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,455
that he had to wait upstairs with me
for an hour and a half.

656
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,455
Did you prevent him from leaving?

657
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,255
He weren't held against his will.

658
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,775
He was asked a few questions,
he played stupid, which agitated me.

659
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,535
I'd say if it wasn't for me,
that guy would have been

660
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,095
splattered all over
the fucking place.

661
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,855
What do you mean by that?

662
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,175
If it wasn't for me,

663
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,415
he would have been splattered
all over the fucking walls. OK.

664
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,735
Because I prevented it.

665
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,535
Is that not clear enough for you?

666
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,055
I hear you.

667
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,815
Ask fucking Paul.

668
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,455
So, this is what appears to be...

669
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,655
Oh, this is the bedroom.
Oh, cool. ..the bedroom. OK.

670
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,615
But as you can see,
there is no bed.

671
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,655
So, yeah, any weapons, any mobile
phones, drugs, drug paraphernalia.

672
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,015
Whilst police search the property
of Nathan Turner,

673
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,255
their main suspect in the case
of attempted murder,

674
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,855
detectives conduct
house-to-house enquiries

675
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,895
with the residents of Bury Court.

676
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,935
And do you know the occupants
of number 617

677
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,495
I do know someone up there.
Yeah?

678
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,975
He can get... He can fly off
the handle occasionally.

679
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,015
Do you know that guy's name?

680
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,335
Nathan. Nathan, OK.

681
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,695
Have you had any recent issues
with them?

682
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,895
Yeah. Not with Paul.
He sort of keeps himself to himself.

683
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,255
But with Nathan, yeah.

684
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,575
Really? He does not...
He's not in control of himself.

685
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,375
I'm not close to either of them.

686
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,855
I see on Nathan's Facebook that he
was showing weapons and stuff. Yeah.

687
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,095
He's been in control of
this building for three months.

688
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,255
People here would avoid him,
because if he sees you,

689
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,975
he just pounces, and just
attacks you verbally. Yeah?

690
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,575
He's a blister that's been ready
to burst for years.

691
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,055
You can see in his eyes.

692
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,575
Is it an of fence
to swear at these cunts?

693
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,615
You shouldn't swear at them.
All right, then. I'll stop. Sorry.

694
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,695
He did tell me
you were going to wind me up,

695
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:23,335
but I just didn't really think
it was going to be that bad.

696
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,615
I'm not here to wind you up,
Mr Turner, I assure you.

697
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,255
The victim of the shooting
is now signed off duty

698
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,575
and gives his statement to
the investigating officers.

699
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,935
So, right from the beginning.

700
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,215
Yeah.

701
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:45,135
So, I was given the job of stay
downstairs on the outer cordon,

702
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,175
ensuring the safety
of the local officers.

703
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,655
A call has come over the air

704
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,535
to say a male has walked out
onto a balcony,

705
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,295
and is pointing what looks like
to be a long-barrel led rifle.

706
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,215
So I've gone back to my vehicle,
and looked directly above me.

707
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,335
I did, I believe, saw a muzzle
flash, chap at the end of the rifle.

708
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,055
Working with firearms, etc
I've heard gunshots, so I knew...

709
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,655
I knew the noise of a gunshot.

710
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,295
I've spoken to my colleagues today,
firearms officers,

711
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,975
and very experienced
firearms officers,

712
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,415
and they've all told me that I'm
very lucky to be sat here today.

713
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,935
The male that I can describe,
that I saw,

714
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,615
if I'm allowed to describe him...
Yeah, yeah. Describe him.

715
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,495
Balding, with a grey sweatshirt.

716
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,255
He quite clearly could see me
looking directly back up at him,

717
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,855
and he's taken that split-second
decision and shot.

718
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,375
So, Mr Turner,
on the 27th of November,

719
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,695
early hours of, what had you been
doing during that time?

720
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,255
Shitting my pants. OK.

721
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,175
Not literally. Yeah.

722
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,935
But...

723
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,255
...you know, metaphorically. Mm.

724
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,815
Have you got anything else
you want to say about that?

725
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,295
I thought you was going to kill me.

726
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,615
So this is before,
I'm talking about.

727
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,095
I ordered a bottle of vodka.

728
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,655
So I was just drinking,
and I don't normally drink,

729
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,975
because it makes me go stupid.

730
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,455
Has that impacted your, like,
recollection of yesterday?

731
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,215
Well, somewhat, yeah.

732
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,535
Well, I don't normally drink. OK.

733
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,615
Were you and Nathan hanging out
after the delivery driver yesterday?

734
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,655
Yeah. And what were you guys doing?

735
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,295
Mate, I'm trying to go to sleep. OK.

736
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,095
And where's Nathan
while you're doing this?

737
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,255
He's just walking around, having
a cigarette out at the balcony,

738
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,055
that was it. OK.

739
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,775
And then I woke up
around one o'clock.

740
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,775
Slept from around 6am until 1pm.
Yeah. You're just asleep. Yeah.

741
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,735
So you're not awake
when the police arrived? No.

742
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,735
I was out cold, asleep.

743
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,175
It's like when I came outside,

744
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,015
I was shocked to see
there was paint everywhere. OK.

745
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,855
Nathan, I'm just going to show you
a still from the drone footage.

746
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,135
Who were you looking at
in this picture?

747
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,895
Do you recognise that man?

748
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,455
He looks similar to me but I'm not.

749
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,535
What's all this stuff
that's on the floor?

750
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,895
Do you think it looks like
a bit of blue...? I don't know.

751
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,415
...white. I don't know.
All this paint, I believe.

752
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,775
Is that something that
you've thrown over the balcony?

753
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,375
I don't know. No.

754
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,375
I don't even know what it is.

755
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,415
Right. I thought it had
something to do with the police. OK.

756
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,815
The RSPCA lady's here.

757
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,135
Yeah, no worries.

758
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,935
So on the right-hand side, you've
obviously got the big boa, I think.

759
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,335
He's a big boy, isn't he?

760
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,135
There's definitely a snake
in this one.

761
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,735
He looks quite big too.

762
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,255
How long have you known Paul?

763
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,375
Does he live with you?

764
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,735
Well, no, I live with fucking
five snakes and fish.

765
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,935
Wow. That's quite impressive.

766
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,975
Any idea how long this chap is?
Has anyone seen him out and about?

767
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,255
No.

768
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,615
Did you see the size of that thing?
It's big, wasn't it?

769
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,095
Its body is 13 foot long,
and it's got a body that fat.

770
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,455
OK. So...

771
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,775
So everyone in that block of flats
knows that they've been evicted.

772
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,575
Yeah. There's lots of elderly people
who have been really struggling.

773
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,415
But they did tell us there's been
loads of issues going on there,

774
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,375
regularly find Nathan playing
with his snakes on the grass.

775
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,655
Oh, by the way, it can shoot out
about six foot, so...

776
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,975
Oh, that is an boy.
That's a big one, that.

777
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,295
Oh, my goodness.

778
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,815
Go on, you're all right. Go away.

779
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,255
The trick is just tap it on the
head, so he knows it's not food.

780
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,655
Plus, it keeps something between me

781
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,455
and the said snake that's going
to try and kill me.

782
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,655
I've got a few snakes.

783
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,535
And then the dragon, was it?
I've got a bearded dragon. Yeah.

784
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,415
It needs to be fed every day.

785
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,655
I mean, to be fair,
they're not in bad nick.

786
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,295
For a lot of the stuff we come to...
Get in there.

787
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,135
The pellet, was that
lodged in the windscreen?

788
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,855
OK.

789
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,975
It was lodged in the windscreen
when he fired.

790
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,375
Right. Dog man has then driven away,
and we've lost the pellet.

791
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,095
And then we did the PolSA and they
didn't... And didn't find anything.

792
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,415
OK.

793
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,975
Ownership of the rifle used
to shoot at the officer's car

794
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,735
is traced to Paul Burton.

795
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,335
Write this down.

796
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,855
A spec-ops air rifle.

797
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,855
Mainly I'm interested in knowing
what it shoots

798
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,655
and the fact that it is
a fire able weapon.

799
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,575
I've never seen a gun that big,
anything that looks like that.

800
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,935
So, this weapon in itself,
because it fires energy

801
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,855
in excess of 12 ft/pounds,

802
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,215
it satisfies the kinetic energy
criteria

803
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,135
in the Firearms
Dangerous Air Weapons Act,

804
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,815
to be declared
as especially dangerous.

805
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,455
The damage it's caused just shows
how lethal it could have been.

806
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,175
I don't know whether Paul bought it
knowing that

807
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,255
that was the capacity
of the weapon.

808
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,575
Just a few questions
about the air rifle.

809
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,415
And what's like your sole use
for that rifle?

810
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,015
Well, no. Its sole use was on
practice, to go to a shooting,

811
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,735
a shooting range with.
Oh, OK, shooting range, is it?

812
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,815
OK, yeah, no problem. Yeah.

813
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,135
Does anybody else ever use
that rifle?

814
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,135
Not to my knowledge.

815
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,415
Nathan never used it?

816
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,095
Not to my knowledge.

817
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,615
Oh, interesting.

818
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:07,175
So they've only found
Turner's prints on the rifle,

819
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,855
but there's quite a lot of prints

820
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,375
that it says are insufficient
to put against somebody.

821
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,855
His prints aren't on the trigger,
though.

822
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,095
It says insufficient.

823
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,375
So they couldn't test the print
that was on there.

824
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,615
There's no fingerprints for Paul.

825
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,135
The weapon is loaded.

826
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,655
It's ready to go.
It's ready to be fired.

827
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,895
We know that Nathan has been
in possession of it, and again,

828
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,215
that, with the description,
builds a really, really strong case.

829
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,775
OK.

830
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,535
So is there anything you can tell us
about that allegation?

831
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,055
Someone standing on a balcony
and firing a firearm...

832
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,415
All I can say is it's not me.
...at a police officer?

833
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,855
It's not me. It's not you. OK.

834
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,575
The officer that was in that car,

835
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,895
he describes the male
who shoots the firearm

836
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,135
as balding, between 30 and 40 years
old, wearing a grey hoodie.

837
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,015
Yeah. Do you know what? Fucking...

838
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,375
Know what?
What were you going to say?

839
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,935
Can you tell us, Nathan?

840
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,495
No.

841
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,135
I woke up to the negotiator ringing.

842
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,095
Did you find it a bit strange
that a negotiator from the police

843
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,455
was calling you?

844
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,135
Well, no, because at the end of
the day I knew why they was there,

845
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,815
because of Nathan, at the time.

846
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,735
Have you gone out on to the balcony
at any time?

847
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,575
So, I'm just going to ask again.
But it's not going to happen.

848
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,935
OK. Did you go out onto the balcony?
It's not going to happen.

849
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,455
I've already spoke about it.
You can review the CCTV.

850
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,135
You can review that.
It's not going to happen.

851
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,455
This is your opportunity...
It's not going to happen, again.

852
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,895
What's not going to happen, Paul?

853
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,895
I've already told you what has
gone on. It's like you're trying to

854
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,175
catch me out lying. Bullshit.
I'm not having it.

855
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,855
So, Paul has been interviewed.

856
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,415
He has told us as part
of his account that he was himself

857
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,775
asleep from 6am until 1pm.

858
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,255
Is that right?

859
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,535
And the police vehicle shot at

860
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,135
is at between 8:45 and 8:49.

861
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,455
So according to the co-defendant
Paul's account, he was asleep.

862
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,375
Do those timings not sound right,
then, to you?

863
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,535
I'm fucked, ain't I?

864
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,855
Let's finish this.

865
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,935
I'm fucked, ain't 1? This is fucked.

866
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,015
Police need a statement
from the neighbour

867
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,895
who was threatened by the firearm
on the night of the siege.

868
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,855
It must be awful for her.

869
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,535
I dread to think
what it must be like.

870
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,335
Yeah.

871
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,695
I don't think Nathan and Paul
have got any concept of

872
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,255
the bigger picture.

873
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,855
Everyone else involved, like all the
other people that live in the flats.

874
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,055
The call out fee for getting
the extra services involved

875
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,095
was £85,000. Right.

876
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,855
So that's for getting like fire,
ARV, ambulances, everyone like that?

877
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,615
Yeah. It cost us £85,0007?
And that's just the beginning.

878
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,535
Oh, here we are.

879
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,095
Have they cleaned it up?

880
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,535
The shot has come directly down and
hit the dogs officer that was here.

881
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:14,375
How's the vibe kind of been
in the building since it happened?

882
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,135
Yeah. Everyone's a bit thrown by it,

883
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,895
but it affected
quite a lot of people, so...

884
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,175
Would you say it's mainly Nathan
that's causing the issues?

885
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,975
Just them two.
They're both paranoid individuals.

886
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,335
I think the combination
of them two together

887
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:33,375
and the declining of their mental
health over the last however long.

888
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,495
I don't feel safe here.

889
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,255
If they're not in jail,
how am I going to be safe?

890
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,655
They're obviously capable of
soldiering themselves up,

891
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,295
aren't they,
cos they've done it before.

892
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,055
I tell you what, if anyone
tries to come in my house, yeah,

893
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,095
you better be bringing guns.

894
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,975
You'd better be bringing guns,
you'd better be bringing knives,

895
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,615
because that scythe is going
in one of your heads.

896
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,335
Yeah.

897
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,375
Look.

898
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,935
Show him all these weapons, yeah?

899
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,335
BB gun.

900
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,095
That's a rounders bat.

901
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,655
That's a scythe
I found magnet fishing.

902
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,735
That's an axe that I used for geodes
not long ago.

903
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,975
Can you tell me
if any one of them items is illegal?

904
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,495
Because when the police came,
they weren't.

905
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,135
What do you mean by that?

906
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,015
I rang the fucking police, five days
ago, approximately, for help.

907
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,815
Do you know that I rang 'em
because I was being burgled?

908
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,375
Do you know about this or not?

909
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,255
Nathan Turner, er,
attempted burglary?

910
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,615
Who's the victim?

911
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,655
There isn't one. So how's there
an attempted burglary? Yeah.

912
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,855
That's a really good point.
Oh, he's the victim.

913
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,175
So... Oh, yeah. He's the victim.

914
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,815
It says allocated to attention...
to team two for attention.

915
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,735
It appears that the suspect
was in his own home

916
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,175
having a mental health episode
at the time of the incident.

917
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,695
That's why I've not been out,
that's why I ordered food,

918
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,695
that's why I ordered everything,
that's why I fucking did everything,

919
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,455
because I was so fucking petrified
of being on my own.

920
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,855
And I made that video
because hopefully if anyone saw it,

921
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,575
I made it public, that... Mm-hmm.

922
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,055
That they didn't... They might not
come round to my house

923
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,695
and try and break in. I was trying
to scare people away.

924
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,135
Officers attended
Nathan Turner's property

925
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,175
four days prior to the siege.

926
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,055
Their body-worn footage is reviewed

927
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,015
to see whether it confirms
his story.

928
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,415
Hello, it's the police. Can you just
open the door for me, please?

929
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,735
Why not?

930
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,135
Nathan, look, Nathan.
We're going to get you

931
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,455
the help you need, I promise.

932
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,135
Nathan, can you open the door
so that we can see you?

933
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,775
He's SO paranoid.

934
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:23,055
Your neighbour's here.
Do you want to come out?

935
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,095
If he doesn't want to
answer the door,

936
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,335
he doesn't want to answer the door.
Yeah, but we're concerned about him.

937
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:30,735
DOOR OPENS

938
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,135
My hands are up. That's fine.
Just step out for us.

939
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,175
Just make sure your door
doesn't lock.

940
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,055
No. It doesn't lock. It doesn't
lock? No? No, it doesn't lock.

941
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,775
It doesn't lock. It doesn't lock.

942
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,455
It's almost like Paul's
his, like, bodyguard.

943
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,255
Just come towards us.

944
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,695
Obviously I've got
paranoid schizophrenia. Mm.

945
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,535
You see my door, yeah?

946
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,055
Because they keep trying to break
into it, and you can see there,

947
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,415
where they've tried to break into it
where the lock is.

948
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,935
And when did this happen?

949
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,895
I think this is happening
multiple times,

950
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:03,375
and now I've got a BB gun
and I've got a Rambo knife. OK.

951
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,415
I'm going to have a quick look
in your flat.

952
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,975
Where are the weapons?
They were all displayed on the wall

953
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,255
in the living room. Right.

954
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,135
Whether there's been an incident
or not, he's very paranoid.

955
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,935
He's kind of not thinking straight.

956
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,895
For him, those weapons clearly,
I think they're...

957
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,455
He feels like they look after him.
They're his protection.

958
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,735
That's the knife.

959
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,815
The sheath's there as well.

960
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,855
Normally I just have it hanging
with my...

961
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,215
Normally it's always
hanging up there.

962
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,775
It's always normally
hanging up there. OK?

963
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,735
As long as it stays in the property
it's within the law.

964
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,175
If you want to... If you want to
take it off me, take it off me.

965
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,455
Nathan, what we're going to do is,

966
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,415
we're going to be criming
a burglary.

967
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,415
In regards to this weapon,
unfortunately,

968
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,055
this is an offensive weapon.
It was legally bought.

969
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,935
Look up there. I've got an axe and
I've got a scythe that I found

970
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,135
in the river. OK. They're both not
an offensive weapon in terms of...

971
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,575
I've got, I've got a BB gun. OK.

972
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,775
What about the BB gun? Do you know
what I mean? Again, that's not

973
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,455
an illegal thing to possess
in your home address. This is. Yeah.

974
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,215
Do you have any currant thoughts of
self-harming or anything like that?

975
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,575
No, I do not. Have you ever...
I've already told that officer,

976
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,135
no, I have not. I've got a daughter.
Good.

977
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,055
At that point when those officers
go, Nathan isn't section able.

978
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,095
OK, he was up and down,

979
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,455
but he was quite happy
to speak about the future.

980
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,775
I'm not doing...
I have never hurt myself.

981
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,775
I'm here for that little girl.

982
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,575
Do it for your daughter.
Yeah, that's good.

983
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,415
As police officers,
we deal with crime.

984
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,415
So the officers definitely did the
right thing by seizing that knife.

985
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,615
Just make sure you lock the door
behind us, Nathan.

986
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,255
They really took their time
with him,

987
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,695
and they speak to him about his
mental health, making referrals.

988
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,055
OK. All right, Nathan.
Well, I'll make contact with you

989
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,375
at some point soon in relation
to the CCTV enquiry as well.

990
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,535
I don't understand.

991
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,095
You've just come...
You've not come to help me.

992
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,775
You've come to just take my knife.
I haven't. I've explained to you.

993
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,095
I'm going to put referrals in,
in terms of your bipolar,

994
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,255
what you were telling me about,

995
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,535
and we're going to get you
the support you need for it.

996
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,495
I think it was a cry for help,

997
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,015
but Nathan clearly feels like
they weren't listening to him.

998
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,855
Tell me a little bit about Nathan,
then. How do you know him?

999
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,135
He's got the same
mental health issues as I do.

1000
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,135
OK. So we help each other
in that sense.

1001
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,175
So you kind of support one another?
Yeah.

1002
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,055
OK. Tell me about
your mental health, mate.

1003
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,895
I've got paranoid schizophrenia.

1004
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,215
Split personality.
Split personality.

1005
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,295
Bipolar... Bipolar. Yeah.

1006
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,175
OK.

1007
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,615
So, you two were hanging out
together kind of the night before?

1008
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,775
Were you two wandering about the
hallways at any point during that?

1009
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,215
Yeah. See, by the time we came out,
had a little look,

1010
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,535
make sure there weren't no-one
sneaking on the stairwells,

1011
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,255
you know, people have been trying
to bust in through the doors.

1012
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,335
So, since then, we've been paranoid,
both of us. OK.

1013
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,535
Do you want to see the neighbour
who kicked their door? Yeah.

1014
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,335
Oh!

1015
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,895
And that's when they have
this response.

1016
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,535
So, basically, he keeps,
he's saying,

1017
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,695
"Oh, people keep trying to break
down my door, I'm being robbed.”

1018
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,695
I mean, he has heard someone
pounding at his door.

1019
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,975
I'm not saying this is
the appropriate response, but...

1020
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,935
They think someone's trying to
break in,

1021
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,535
and now he's like...

1022
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,695
In psychology,
there's a term called folie a deux.

1023
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,415
It's that kind of
toxic relationship,

1024
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,775
the two people kind of
combining together

1025
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,055
that have the same beliefs and
end up committing crime together.

1026
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,215
Did you see anybody else
in the hallways? No.

1027
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,215
But we've heard things.

1028
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,535
Just weird things
you shouldn't be hearing.

1029
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,535
What sort of things did you hear?

1030
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,855
Like people like running up
the stairs, running down the stairs.

1031
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,015
Doors...doors opening
and shutting and...

1032
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,695
So you didn't see anybody
but you heard, like...doors closing.

1033
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,655
The two of them,

1034
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,575
they clearly at that point were not
rational human beings.

1035
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,695
I think they're both responsible
for fuelling each other.

1036
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,735
They rely on the other person,

1037
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,055
but it's a very toxic relationship
between them,

1038
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,615
but they don't realise that.

1039
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,855
This is Paul's phone.

1040
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,375
He bought his dog an 18-carat
gold-plated collar.

1041
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,815
All of their animals
have gone to the RSPCA.

1042
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,255
Oh, there's his dog.

1043
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,615
Betty, wiggle your tail.

1044
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,575
Wiggle the tail.

1045
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,135
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.

1046
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,135
Wiggle that tail. Good boy.

1047
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,455
Animals are amazing
for mental health.

1048
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,095
They don't judge you.

1049
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,095
Are you having a bath?

1050
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,655
Yeah?

1051
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,215
Are you having a bath, Lucy?

1052
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,415
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1053
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,255
Good girl. Good girl.

1054
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,015
There's the gun. Oh, yeah.

1055
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,095
He's got loads of pictures
on here of guns.

1056
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,815
Like, look at this.

1057
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,415
Pistols.

1058
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,455
Guns...

1059
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:02,815
...guns...

1060
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,495
He's addicted.

1061
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,935
So, May last year,
he talked about paying for the gun.

1062
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,935
He says it's a black ops
air snipe rifle.

1063
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,375
So, he sends a picture here,

1064
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,815
and that's the picture of the rifle,

1065
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,615
and he says, "Not a very good
picture, but it's took me

1066
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,855
"three months to save up to get
this. Now this is an air gun lad."

1067
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,455
The guy that he's messaging,
his friend, said, "Bet it hurts,"

1068
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,815
and he says, "Hurts, lad? This one
will kill you, even at 100 yards.

1069
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,135
"Power is unreal."

1070
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,055
I think that suggests that
he was aware that

1071
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:55,175
it was capable of killing someone,
and it's scary that people who...

1072
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,415
...I don't know,
have mental health issues

1073
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,255
are able to get
these kind of weapons,

1074
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,655
and by the looks of his phone,

1075
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,935
he's got this weapon
very easily as well.

1076
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,295
Hello, mate, how are you?
I'm good.

1077
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,695
I'll get you a cup of tea.
Do you want tea or coffee?

1078
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,215
I didn't fucking do
half of this shit. Mm-hmm.

1079
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,775
I did a couple of the things, yeah?

1080
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,775
And now I'm looking at going to jail
or some shit.

1081
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,095
I just want to go home.

1082
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,855
I just want to go...
I just want...

1083
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,215
I just want it to be ten days ago.
I just want my daughter.

1084
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,175
How do you have it? Milk? Milk and
three sugars, yeah? Yeah, please.

1085
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,215
I think it was Burton.

1086
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,935
I don't think it was Turner.

1087
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,535
Oh.

1088
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,975
From his phone, he says it would
kill someone at 100 yards.

1089
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,455
The messages on Paul's phone
are extremely incriminating.

1090
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,895
He clearly knows that
if he fires that gun at someone,

1091
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,135
it could kill them.

1092
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,055
It has the capacity
to take someone's life.

1093
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,615
It does matter what you have done
and what you haven't done, Nathan.

1094
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,935
So if you do want to tell us
what your involvement was,

1095
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,575
this is your opportunity to tell us.

1096
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:22,855
What I done was begged my friend
to calm down so we could end this.

1097
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,735
I didn't want anyone to get hurt.

1098
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,855
We have the fingerprints,
we have the description.

1099
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,055
Everything points to it being Nathan
as the shooter.

1100
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,375
But the only people that know
what's happened in that flat

1101
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,575
are Nathan and Paul,
and we need for someone to talk.

1102
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,855
As this is a continuation, Paul,

1103
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,615
I won't ask you
to state your name again.

1104
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,655
The officer that was in the vehicle
that was shot at,

1105
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,535
he states that over the radio
he heard that

1106
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,415
somebody had threatened to shoot
police officers if they came close.

1107
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,015
Do you remember that?

1108
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,975
So, those threats
weren't made by you?

1109
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,295
I didn't make any...

1110
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,615
They might have misinterpreted
them, because I said,

1111
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:08,975
"Look, if you come through the door,

1112
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,895
"you're going to get shot
in the head.”

1113
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,735
But that wasn't by me.

1114
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:13,815
Right, OK.

1115
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:21,575
When he went to sleep,
I moved the thing.

1116
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,615
So that's why it had my marks on it.

1117
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,095
OK.

1118
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,055
When we say move the thing,
are we talking about...what?

1119
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,495
The three-foot thing.

1120
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,815
OK. And then I'm worried now
because I've touched it. OK.

1121
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,895
I'm just going through the list
of the things the CPS want.

1122
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,935
So they want forensic reports
on the guns,

1123
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,255
download a review of all
mobile phones.

1124
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,935
Nathan Turner's phone is downloaded

1125
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,175
to see whether it reveals
any further evidence against him.

1126
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,775
I was hoping for some pictures
of weapons, but...

1127
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,055
£135 on 200 Diazepam.

1128
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,095
He's bought it off the internet.

1129
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,455
He looks kind of normal there.
He does.

1130
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,775
With his kids at the beach. Look.

1131
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,495
Look, he was doing
some sort of course.

1132
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,695
I think he's been having some sort
of breakdown for the last month.

1133
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,175
It's a shame really, ain't it?
Yeah.

1134
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,975
Because he actually looks like
he quite had his life together.

1135
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,135
To see his kids on his phone.

1136
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,175
SNIFFS
They all look beautiful.

1137
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,535
Yeah. And I'm not allowed
to see mine, innit. Mm.

1138
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,415
Now I'm not going to be able
to see her again.

1139
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,335
And I haven't done nothing
with no fucking gun.

1140
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,295
The officer that was shot at

1141
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,455
says that he felt absolutely
no doubt

1142
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,815
that this was an intentional shot
at him.

1143
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,615
He then does state that the person
on the balcony

1144
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,615
he would describe as balding,
between 30 to 40 years,

1145
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,055
and wearing a grey hoodie.

1146
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,295
You look a little bit taken aback
by that.

1147
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,695
OK. So, just to summarise then,
so, you're with Nathan,

1148
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:15,055
you're kind of hanging out,
decide you're going to have a kebab,

1149
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,135
you then go to bed.

1150
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,575
As far as you're concerned,
you then wake up at one o'clock

1151
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,495
to check your dog.
At any stage during this,

1152
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,775
what's that, seven hours,
did you wake up for any reason?

1153
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,295
I did wake up a couple of times,
yes.

1154
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,695
What did you do when you woke up?
Did you go out on to the balcony?

1155
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,135
Er...

1156
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,695
I did with the air rifle.

1157
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,415
Why did you do that?

1158
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,295
You know what?
I don't know why I did it, but...

1159
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,695
I was just pointing out the simple
fact that I've got it, you know,

1160
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,535
and just leave me alone
and go away from me.

1161
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,135
All I want to do is sleep.

1162
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,735
I thought it was on lock,

1163
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,455
and when I fired it,
it hit the ground.

1164
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,855
What made you fire?

1165
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,695
No, it was an accident. OK.

1166
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,295
So you're saying that was
an accidental fire? Yes.

1167
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,615
So you didn't squeeze
the trigger intentionally

1168
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,935
thinking the lock was on? No. OK.

1169
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,855
Anything else you'd like to add
before we end the interview? No. OK.

1170
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,855
BEEP

1171
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,375
Hello. Can you imagine?
No, you're OK.

1172
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,815
Did you hear the account
that he's given in interview?

1173
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,895
He's admitted to him firing the gun.

1174
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,295
Oh. But he said his hand's
accidentally slipped

1175
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,775
and pulled the trigger,

1176
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,695
but he said it hit the ground,
and it definitely hit the ground.

1177
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,295
I think we do.

1178
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,615
Do you think you'll make it?

1179
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,975
At the moment, I think Burton, yeah.
Yeah.

1180
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,695
The officer that was in the vehicle
says it's Turner.

1181
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,935
He can easily account for
making that mistake.

1182
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,375
He's just been shot at, hasn't he?
It was eight floors down as well.

1183
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,335
Eight floors down. If he, even if
he has watched CCTV afterwards,

1184
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,695
it could corrupt his memory,
couldn't it? Yeah.

1185
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:27,135
Yeah. And Burton's admitted to
shooting a firearm, right?

1186
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,855
Paul is the one
that's fired the weapon.

1187
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,455
He was the one that knew
about the capability of that weapon,

1188
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:37,615
and that one shot is the shot
that hit the officer's car.

1189
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,975
So we've got nine of fences
for Turner. Yeah.

1190
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,295
And eight of fences for Burton.

1191
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,135
So we're ready for charging
when it comes through.

1192
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,935
He is a very reliable witness.

1193
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,015
He's a police officer,
he's experienced in what he does.

1194
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,975
But he is a human.
People make mistakes.

1195
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,215
In that moment when you've got fear
and adrenaline,

1196
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,935
your brain doesn't necessarily
process everything.

1197
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:11,815
OK. In the statement, I just want to
ask you how it's affected you.

1198
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,135
OK. How are you feeling now?

1199
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:18,055
So the mind's a wonderful thing.
It plays tricks on you

1200
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,775
and sort of replays things
differently after a period of time.

1201
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,175
People might think, "Oh, you're
fine, you've walked away from it,

1202
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,575
"you've got no injuries,"
but it's the what ifs.

1203
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:33,655
You went home -
talk to your partner about it?

1204
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,095
Yeah, I'l0l be honest with you.

1205
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,575
That was quite difficult.

1206
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:44,135
She feels very proud of me
and the incident that had happened,

1207
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,695
but while she was happy,
she was angry at the same time,

1208
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,295
angry that I've gone to work
and been put in this position.

1209
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,815
She told me that I need to
leave the job.

1210
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,735
It's really hard to process,
because if I'd been stabbed,

1211
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,015
I'd have an injury. Yes.

1212
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,415
You know, I've got
a physical injury that I can say,

1213
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:02,135
"This is what's happened to me."

1214
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,575
There's just, you know.

1215
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,735
I've got nothing to show for it, and
I've managed to walk away from it.

1216
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,615
Mental health referrals were made
for both of these guys in September

1217
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,695
and nothing's ever happened
with them. Does that surprise you?

1218
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,575
No, it doesn't, but that's how
we've ended up in this state.

1219
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,735
There has been a real failure.

1220
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,735
Got it.

1221
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,575
Both persons have been charged
on remand.

1222
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,535
Right. Can I go to custody?
Off you go. Go...go, go, go.

1223
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:44,335
Hey, Paul? Yeah.

1224
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,695
We need you up at the charge desk,
mate.

1225
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,615
I've got some information
I've got to tell you.

1226
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,695
We know that
the massive deterioration

1227
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,215
of their mental health
has led to this point,

1228
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,415
but it's not a defence.

1229
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:02,695
You've got people that could have
trauma for the rest of their lives

1230
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,015
because of their actions.

1231
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,695
Hiya, Paul. These officers
have been speaking to CPS,

1232
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,455
and the CPS have authorised
a number of charges, mate.

1233
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:13,775
So they've got to read them out
to you and go from there.

1234
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,815
Are you ready, Paul? Yes.

1235
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,415
On the 27th of November, 2022,

1236
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:20,415
at Bedford in the county
of Bedfordshire,

1237
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:21,975
you attempted to murder BLEEP.

1238
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:26,655
More and more, we're seeing
assaults against police,

1239
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,415
for whatever reasons.

1240
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,775
The more other services struggle,
the more that we struggle,

1241
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,655
the more that police officers
put themselves in danger,

1242
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,215
and no-one
should have to deal with that.

1243
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,695
No-one should have to
go to work thinking,

1244
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,455
"Am I going to get assaulted today?”

1245
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,655
OK, Robbery.

1246
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,615
On the 27th of the 11th, 2022,

1247
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,975
at Bedford in the country
of Bedfordshire,

1248
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,655
you robbed a Just Eat bag
of an unknown value.

1249
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:58,095
Possession of an imitation firearm,
on arrest for schedule one of fence.

1250
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,055
Mr Turner.

1251
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:04,775
Take care, Paul. Yeah.

1252
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,975
My worry is that
if Nathan was released

1253
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,855
that something like this
could happen again.

1254
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,975
He makes it very clear
that he's willing to hurt people.

1255
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,175
Hiya, Nathan.

1256
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,215
Just to let you know
what's going on,

1257
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,015
these officers have been speaking
to the CPS for the last few hours.

1258
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,015
CPS have authorised a number
of charges against you, mate.

1259
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,055
I've got to get the officer to
read them out to you, all right?

1260
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:39,695
No.

1261
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,695
CONTINUES SHOUTING

1262
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,415
There's so many different factors
as to why he's been failed

1263
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:05,335
and why we've led to this point.

1264
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,055
It's really sad for him,

1265
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,695
sad for the people in that block,

1266
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,015
and it's really sad for his daughter
and his ex-partner.

1267
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,855
Hopefully while he's in prison,
he'll get the help that he needs

1268
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,215
to be able to live
in the general public.

1269
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:26,975
BEEP

1270
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,295
ON PHONE: Good evening,
Crime Bureau.

1271
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,055
<i>Hi Hi Um...</i>

1272
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,015
I suffer with mental health issues
and one of them is paranoia.

1273
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,295
Someone has been trying to break
through my door, but I'm really...

1274
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,695
I'm really scared,
to be honest, and I...

1275
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,215
OK. If anyone comes through
that door, I'm armed to the teeth.

1276
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,855
How have you been coping
with your mental health?

1277
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,615
Have you been taking
your medication?

1278
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,495
TEARFULLY: I'm not...
I'm not doing very well.

1279
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,975
It's up to you. I don't mind.

1280
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,175
Nathan, can you hear?

1281
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,455
HE SHOUTS

1282
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:08,815
We're going to keep talking, mate.
You ready? All right.

1283
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,575
So, the next of fence
is criminal damage to property

1284
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,095
contrary to section one...
HE SHOUTS

1285
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,735
SHE CONTINUES READING

1286
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,575
In the space of a week... Yeah.

1287
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,895
...I've lost my relationship.

1288
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,735
I haven't done nothing wrong.

1289
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,935
Nothing is going to stop me
being a dad.

1290
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,775
Right, Nathan, would you like me
to call somebody for you?

1291
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,775
Because I am concerned about you,
OK?

1292
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,415
An imitation firearm with intent
to cause fear of violence,

1293
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:44,775
in respect of...
HE SHOUTS

1294
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,375
...abuse with intent by means
thereof to cause BLEEP

1295
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,335
to believe that unlawful violence

1296
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,695
would be used against him
or another.

1297
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,815
When was the last time
that you spoke to the doctor?

1298
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,175
They referred me,
because I said, yeah,

1299
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,535
I could do with some referral,
please,

1300
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,975
and then when it came to go,
they sent me a text saying,

1301
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,055
"Sorry, we haven't got any staff."

1302
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,815
So that is all the of fences
you're being charged with, OK?

1303
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,615
Did you understand all of that?

1304
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,695
Right, so you didn't get any help?

1305
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,535
No, there's...
There's no-one TO help me.

1306
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:28,175
Our partners in the NHS have got
a huge burden at the moment

1307
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,655
on them to deal with these mental
health crises, we understand that.

1308
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,455
But it does affect us hugely
in what we do.

1309
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:37,655
Hello, pups.

1310
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,535
Hey. Good girl.

1311
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,375
Hey, mate. Good girl.

1312
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,095
It's just unfortunate people
are in that position that...

1313
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,135
have not quite got the help
that they need, because we can't

1314
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,015
always provide the right level
of care and support.

1315
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,895
We're obviously, we're learning to

1316
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,015
do that the best way we can
and we'll continue to do so.

1317
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,095
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