1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,855 This program me contains strong language and graphic scenes of injury some may find distressing 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,775 It's either a trophy or it's bravado. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,055 It's egotistical. 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,455 It's a sense of, "Look, I've managed to take this from you, 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,375 your prized possession, and now I'm wearing it around my neck." 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,095 Would you do me a quick favour and just look at Lucy's notes 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,695 to see if there was any blood on this? 8 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:26,615 They set out with an idea to go and seek some retaliation 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:32,095 or retribution or threaten somebody, ancl then it escalates. 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,015 A positive reaction from the chemicals that indicate 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,575 the presence of blood. 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,975 A bit of an update, boss. 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,255 Yep. 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,095 The family said the victim had a big, bulky gold chain on, 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,495 and it's missing. 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,455 And it had the Tasmanian devil on the end. 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,095 It's crucial that we find the truth. 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,015 Police! Hands behind your back. 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,255 You've got to question everything. 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,495 Believe nobody. 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,735 It's almost a game of chess, try and get them to slip up. 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,015 This is your opportunity to talk to me. 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,615 Police emergency? 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,095 Right. We're sending officers now, OK? How badly hurt is he? 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,175 Where have you been stabbed, mate? Everywhere. His stomach. 26 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,495 But we've not turned him over because he's in a lot of pain. 27 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,735 Yeah, we've got a medic here. 28 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,655 Keep that pressure on there, mate. 29 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,575 He's definitely got stab wounds to his back. 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,975 I haven't even checked his stomach yet. 31 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,575 Did you hear her say that there was, she heard some loud bangs? 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,935 Yeah. 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,295 All right, mate, all right. 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,735 Yeah, some bullets on the floor, guys. 35 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,615 We're going to leave him in situ at the moment. 36 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:15,135 Yeah, I've got a witness here. 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,175 Uh, multiple people running from the address. 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,455 They've got into a Volvo. 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,095 218, if I can just come in on that. 40 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,655 There's a witness here who said that earlier on, he saw a silver 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,055 vehicle literally just where this has happened. 42 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,415 Squeeze it. Squeeze, squeeze. 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,895 See, he's bleeding from his right hand and the base of his back. 44 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:38,655 Vast pools of blood. 45 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,615 Three-inch laceration to the top of his head. 46 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:46,135 Ancl across the base of his back, 15-centimetre deep laceration. 47 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,855 Ancl I can see his spinal cord. 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,415 I've been to stabbings before in Luton. 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,935 They stab to the spine. 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,655 They stab to the legs. 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,895 They injure to maim, to paralyse you. 52 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:02,495 They don't do it to kill you. 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,775 They do it to paralyse you. 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,095 This gentleman wasn't stabbed. 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,375 He was hacked. 56 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,935 I think the intent was to kill him. 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,175 To kill? Yeah. 58 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,975 A man's been found with knife and gunshot injuries in Luton. 59 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,415 The victim was taken to hospital, 60 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,335 where he remains in a serious condition. 61 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,735 A silver car was seen driving away from the vicinity of the incident, 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,375 and detectives are keen to trace the vehicle. 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,615 The police believe the attack was targeted, and are appealing for 64 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,535 anyone with information about what happened to come forward. 65 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,255 He didn't want to cooperate. 66 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,015 I think mum's really worried about doing or saying anything 67 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,015 that her son's not going to be happy with. 68 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,695 Detectives have tried to find out from the victim's family 69 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,215 what lies behind the attack. 70 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,415 She's in a difficult situation because she came 71 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,015 across like she's a decent person, I don't believe 72 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,895 that she's involved in criminality. But they're worried 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,215 about the consequences, and it is tying our hands. 74 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,015 The level of violence used in the attack means the investigation 75 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,695 is led by Bedfordshire's Major Crime Unit. 76 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:26,895 Clearly these people have lain in wait for our victim 77 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,375 for him to return home, 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,695 and then they've attacked him on his driveway. 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,095 This was not a chance encounter. 80 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,855 It was absolutely premeditated. 81 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:37,695 I'll go through that briefing 82 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,735 so we're all up to speed, and what the job's about initially. 83 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,735 It's an attempt murder job from the early hours 84 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,535 of Thursday morning. 85 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,335 Malik is the victim. 86 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,095 Our victim's got a bit of form. 87 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,535 She's got drugs of fences, and I think he was, um, 88 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,055 potted for drug supply. 89 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,815 He's been out of prison quite recently. 90 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:57,175 His family said he turned his life around, but they are keeping shtoom 91 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,815 in terms of telling us who he's involved 92 00:04:58,840 --> 00:04:59,935 or what this is all about. 93 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:04,575 So in terms of his injuries, he has been shot three times. 94 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,135 He's got numerous hack marks where he's been attacked 95 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,015 with either a knife or machete. 96 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,935 It's clearly a concerted effort to kill him, given the extent 97 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,615 of his injuries, and he's very lucky to be alive. 98 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,015 Cops turn up and they find Malik's on the floor outside. 99 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,135 There's a blood-soaked balaclava next to him, a pool of blood 100 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,135 and a bullet casing on the floor as well. 101 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,455 Forensics. Where are we at with all that? 102 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,775 The balaclava has gone off. 103 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,495 Results are clue urgently for gunshot residue recovery in the first 104 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,175 instance, then internally for saliva and wearer DNA. 105 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,815 This was a well-planned attack under the cover of darkness. 106 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:45,695 To expect the public to have a list of witnesses who can give us a blow 107 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,375 by blow account of what happened would be very unrealistic, really. 108 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,055 Forensics are incredibly important in any investigation, 109 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,735 but particularly in serious crimes such as this. 110 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,015 To get a result is really, really crucial. 111 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,015 Well, I think someone ran across the road there. 112 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,535 Look. 113 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,095 Detectives review dashcam footage handed in by a motorist who passed 114 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,015 the scene at the time of the attack. 115 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,375 Somebody there. Two. 116 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,255 Two. Somebody there. 117 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:20,615 There's another one there. 118 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,735 Is that one? Four. Yeah, 119 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,415 See that fourth one? Yeah, yeah. 120 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,695 We've got the rear view as well to have a look at. 121 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,975 That car on the side there might be the one that they get into. 122 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,695 Really difficult to see, though, isn't it? 123 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,335 But all it really does is tell you there's four people. 124 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,575 Two miles from the crime scene, police find a burnt-out car matching 125 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,375 the description of the Volvo seen driving away from the attack. 126 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,735 just going to see if any of the witnesses on the street 127 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,055 know who owns that car, or can point us in the right direction 128 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,495 to who has access to it. 129 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,895 Oh, here we go. 130 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,615 Hi, sorry. I'm from Bedfordshire Police. 131 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,535 It's just in regards to a vehicle that was burnt out last night. 132 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,815 Do you know anything about it? Sorry, no. 133 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,695 Hiya, sorry, nothing to worry about. 134 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,455 It's just in regards to a vehicle that was burnt out last night. 135 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,095 Anything about a silver Volvo at all on the street? 136 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,135 No. OK, no worries. Can I just take a name to say I spoke to you? 137 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,655 No. OK, that's fine. 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,415 We just want to know if anyone knows anyone of that vehicle. 139 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,255 I have told them I have no idea. 140 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,495 We need to know who the offenders were, really? 141 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,015 Well, if you can't get her to do it today, then tomorrow. 142 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,695 But, like, even just a first account today. No worries. 143 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,495 Are you coming back here, then, to write that up? 144 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,815 I'll see you in a bit, then. All right. 145 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,335 She's had second thoughts. 146 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,215 Doesn't want to give us a statement. 147 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,175 However, she's given us a bit of an account. 148 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:07,975 Hears a noise, looks out and sees people attacking somebody outside. 149 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,295 She can't really say much about them. 150 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,775 It was at a distance, at night. 151 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,935 Might be Asian. Proximity to it all as well. 152 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,295 She's probably had second thoughts. Yeah. 153 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,615 Probably realised that it's a bit more than just beating someone 154 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,535 up as well. Yeah, absolutely. 155 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,495 If she knows that there's gunshots, or... 156 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,135 I'm sure the local community, 157 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,495 everybody knows some version of events now. 158 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,815 Yeah, absolutely. 159 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,175 Quite a lot of information on there saying that the person 160 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,055 responsible is a chap by the name of a Samad. 161 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,535 He's a Bengali male. 162 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:38,895 What is this new live intelligence we've just had, then? 163 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,455 It's intelthat's coming in. 164 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,255 It's on the rolling log. 165 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,015 But he's been mentioned on more than one occasion. 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,415 OK, lovely. Thank you. 167 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,255 Boss just said he's looked at something and there's a marker 168 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,335 on Samad on PNC saying involved in a shooting/stabbing. 169 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,695 Ancl there was loads of stuff about Stephen Odell, 170 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,415 and he's a really nasty piece of work. Is he? 171 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,295 He was like a one-man wrecking crew. 172 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,935 Yeah, there's a PNC print for that O'Dellon here. 173 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,815 He's got, like, 70 pages. 174 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,215 Major crime intel? 175 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,375 Intelligence is not evidence, 176 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,775 it's an idea about who, for example, might be responsible. 177 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,655 It doesn't have to be a name from a member of the public. 178 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:28,655 It could be where the weapons are being stored, 179 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:31,215 it could be a whole host of different intelligence feeds 180 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,615 into the police, which we can look at and act upon 181 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,575 and then decide where the investigation then takes us. 182 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,495 Graham, do you want to talk about intel now? 183 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,055 Because it kinds of feeds into all of our bits and pieces. 184 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,615 We believe, so far - and this is still a work in progress - 185 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,015 it's graded 1CP, reliable, and that reads that four males 186 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,095 were involved in the stabbing and shooting of Malik. 187 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,415 We believe the offenders were a Bengali male called Samad Ali. 188 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,295 Stephen O'DelL 189 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,615 Ancl a third one, an Asian male we've got further work 190 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,935 ongoing with at the moment. 191 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,735 Finally. It's took till about six o'clock and we've start winning. 192 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,055 A little. 193 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:13,935 fight, happy days- 194 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,135 Can you just confirm for me, 195 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,135 please, that all your weapons have been drawn by the arms system. 196 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,495 ALL: Yes, sir. 197 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,015 Police execute a rolling series of arrests 198 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,295 on four suspects linked to a brutal attempted murder. 199 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,615 Firearms have only been authorised at the flat of Samad Ali. 200 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,855 They've been authorised there as opposed to the others 201 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,215 because there is specific intelligence around him 202 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,575 being involved in this incident from the other night. 203 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,775 THUMPING ON DOOR 204 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,095 Armed police! 205 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,695 Come to the door with nothing in your hands, do it now! 206 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,255 Open the door! Armed police! 207 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,055 Hello, hello! Show me your hands. 208 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,775 Right, come out. 209 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,095 One at a time, walk towards me, slowly. 210 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,455 Keep walking. Keep walking. 211 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,495 Anyone else at the address, show yourself at the door now! 212 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,695 Come to the door, show me your hands. 213 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,375 Show me your hands. 214 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,935 Don't move, do not move. 215 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,175 Walk towards me slowly, don't make any sudden movements. 216 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,495 Keep coming, keep coming. 217 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,215 Is anyone else in that flat? 218 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,935 What's your name? 219 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,815 OK, Samad, we just need to speak to you. 220 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,095 Let's get him out the way. 221 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,375 LIFT: Doors opening. 222 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,655 Do we hand these over to you guys for now? 223 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,095 Right, Samad, we need to take you under arrest 224 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,415 for suspicion of attempted murder. OK? 225 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,815 BOY: Oh, my God! 226 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,055 Attempted murder? Yeah. 227 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,055 The reason for your arrest is an investigation. 228 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,135 It's in relation to the attempted murder... This is bullshit. 229 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,255 ..of Malik. I don't know who the fuck that is, innit. OK. 230 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,175 I don't know who the fuck that is, innit. 231 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,455 No, that's not going to happen, my friend. No, no, sorry. 232 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,655 Bruv, you just fucking hit me with attempted murder. What the fuck? 233 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:14,735 This is a joke. 234 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,015 No, it's not a joke. 235 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,695 Yeah. Yeah, we're good. 236 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,375 Ancl that's who we're looking for. 237 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,215 He's quite distinctive. Yeah, he is. 238 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,175 With Samad Ali under arrest, 239 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,535 police move on the addresses of the three other suspects. 240 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:34,895 Hello, I'm from the police, we've got warrant. 241 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,455 WOMAN, UPSET: He's not here at the moment. 242 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,775 Do you know where he is? He's gone out. OK. 243 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,415 You're all right, I'm a police officer. It's all good. 244 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,175 I'm just coming up to make sure there's no-one hiding up here. 245 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,015 Stephen's not here, no? WOMAN: No. 246 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:59,215 There's only us here, so we're going to have to do our search here. 247 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,535 If other people become available from other addresses... 248 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:03,735 Yeah. 249 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,375 OK, cheers, pal. Bye. 250 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,375 All right, it looks like we're the only one who got somebody. 251 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,615 Firearms, ammunition. 252 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,295 Mobile phones. 253 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,615 Any dark-coloured shoe with a white sole. 254 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,335 Balaclava or face coverings. 255 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:23,535 Volvo car key. 256 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,775 All right, we'll just use common sense. 257 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,975 If we find something we're not sure, we'll just make a decision. 258 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,335 PHONE RINGS 259 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,295 We've got the chap that we really wanted in custody. 260 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,975 Let's just say we've found some stuff here 261 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,775 that he'll have to answer for. 262 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,975 A“ fight? What's your 'first name? Samar! A“. 263 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,655 Samad? Yeah. 264 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,935 Ancl what's Samad doing here? 265 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,015 What's the reason for arrest? 266 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,775 So, he's been arrested for the attempted murder of Malik. 267 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,935 Hold on, stop there. 268 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,575 So, attempted murder, that's the reason why we're here. Mm-hm. 269 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,935 So, the allegation is that you've been linked by some intelligence 270 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,215 to the attempted murder of Malik. 271 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,055 By "intelligence"? 272 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,895 Yeah, so intelligence has linked you... 273 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,855 So, someone's said something, basically? 274 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,615 Quite possibly, but we don't know that, 275 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,215 and I certainly don't know that. 276 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,895 Can you take off your necklace and ring for us as well? 277 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,455 Do I need to take my jewellery off? Erm... 278 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,255 Let me have a look, what you got? 279 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,055 You have to take it off! 280 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,295 I thought you were going to show me 281 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,215 a little, wimpy chain like the one I've got. 282 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,495 The last time, I had my jewellery on me and that. It was all right. 283 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,935 Pop it on there, Samad, I'll look after it for you. 284 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,295 It won't be going anywhere. 285 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,455 I'll take your money as well. 286 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,015 So, they've clone the searches 287 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,015 at the address where Samad lives with his girlfriend. 288 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,415 Whilst there, they located a V5 vehicle registration document. 289 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,135 That document relates to the vehicle that was found in Crossway, 290 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,855 where it was burnt out. 291 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,495 Volvo, XC90. 292 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,015 Ancl there's our VIN number. 293 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,695 Everyone talks about the registration number - 294 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,255 the index number, as we call it - 295 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,215 but the VIN number is the important one. 296 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:12,175 The fact that she has it links him to that vehicle. 297 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,175 That vehicle's then subsequently found burnt out 298 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,135 a short while after our offence. Right, 0|<. 299 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,135 Certainly causes us grave concern 300 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,175 about the involvement in that vehicle and that offence. Yeah. 301 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,295 I can't imagine for one minute that he's going to want to talk to us. 302 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,655 No, it's not likely. But we will give him every opportunity. 303 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,855 You were arrested, Samad, last night, 304 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,895 on suspicion of the attempted murder of Malik. 305 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,935 You were cautioned, anything you do say may be given in evidence. 306 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,455 Do you understand? 307 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:50,615 You understand? No comment. 308 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,655 Samad, we're here to ask you, 309 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,975 were you involved in the attempted murder of Malik? 310 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,615 He went "no comment" to everything. 311 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,455 Even to the caution, he went no comment! 312 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,575 Of course he did it. Definitely. 313 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,855 Professional, 27-year experience here. 314 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,295 But it's all circumstantial at the minute. 315 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,295 The first camera you're looking at is on this side, 316 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,055 looking at the road here. Right. 317 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,335 There it is. 318 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:33,175 Police review the final pieces of CCTV from the night of the 319 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,935 attack, looking for any evidence to link Samad Ali to the crime. 320 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,775 Yeah, then somebody runs straight across the road. 321 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,095 Ancl then have we got Ali going into the flat? Yes, we do. 322 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,575 He just looks like he's coming home, doesn't he? Exactly. 323 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,935 He's not in any major hurry. No, no. 324 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,215 The best shot of him is definitely in the lift. 325 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,255 She seems quite calm, don't he? Yeah. 326 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,695 He doesn't look out of breath, as though he's just run from somewhere. 327 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,255 Then you see him using his phone. 328 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,815 You could almost pick up a pass code on that. 329 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,695 Do you know what, I was just thinking that! 330 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,455 We haven't got that phone? 331 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,975 We haven't, no. No. 332 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,615 Like I was just saying to you, Ollie, I anticipate that 333 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,055 he's going to be bailed out today, 334 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,335 because we haven't got anything, really. 335 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,535 Have he seized his clothes? Yes. 336 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,855 Have we got them? Where are they? They're all down there. 337 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,415 Mind if I have a look? Yeah, yeah. 338 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,015 Ancl also, he's got this jewellery. 339 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,375 Look it his big chain! It's a fucking big chain! 340 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,655 Does it have something on the end? 341 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,615 This is probably what you're thinking of, but it's not attached. 342 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,055 The victim apparently had a Tasmanian Devil. 343 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,415 Really? Yes. 344 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,855 Oh, my God. 345 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,335 How fucking dumb would he be if he's got the Tasmanian Devil on him? 346 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:06,975 Come on, mate. 347 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,895 Your solicitor's here to see you again. 348 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,055 The family said that he had a big, bulky, gold chain on. The victim. 349 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,295 Ancl it's missing. 350 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,015 Ancl it had - and they've called it a Tasmanian lizard. 351 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,855 Well, this chap in custody has got a big, bulky, gold chain on 352 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,815 with a Tasmanian Devil on the end. 353 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,415 No. 354 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,975 Yeah! 355 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,415 It'd be better to get the family to give us a statement first, 356 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,575 to say that is the right one, or a picture or whatever. 357 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,935 It'd be nice to go, look, that's the victim wearing it. 358 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,015 You don't know him? Look what you're wearing round your neck. 359 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,535 Have you seen this photo? Brilliant. 360 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,895 HE CHUCKLES 361 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,615 There he is, our victim, with said chain. Yes. 362 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,215 Oh, God, I feel good. 363 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,735 Hello, boss. Bit of an update. 364 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,135 Hydey's tying in with the family to see 365 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:08,295 if we can get them to describe it well enough so we can ID it. 366 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,575 Because that's going to be quite telling. 367 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,255 If we get a statement, we can say that we've obtained this photo, 368 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,575 we recognise it to be the victim and blah-di-blah. 369 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,495 I'm wondering whether we can go for remand. 370 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,655 Detectives from the major crime unit are waiting for the CPS to agree 371 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,575 that they have the evidence to charge Samad Ali 372 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,135 with attempted murder. 373 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,815 Hello, mate. 374 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,575 He was booked in last night with this huge, great big chain on and 375 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,975 in his pocket is this Taz pendant, which no-one had picked up on. 376 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,335 Lo and behold, they are the outstanding things from the victim. 377 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:47,455 Yeah, I recognise him. 378 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,695 Yeah, I don't think he's a stranger to Luton custody. No. 379 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,375 That way, please. 380 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,575 Why would someone take a chain from someone they've just tried to kill? 381 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,095 Within the criminal world, they want to assert themselves. 382 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,135 They want everyone else to know what pain they've inflicted 383 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,615 and what they're capable of doing. 384 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,615 Left. 385 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,215 They can't stay quiet, they have to brag about it. 386 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,975 Then the middle one, please, mate. 387 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,695 That's generally their downfall. 388 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,095 When you bring emotions into it, 389 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:20,455 your sense of clarity and thought go out the window. 390 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,455 Mr Ali, how are you? 391 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,535 CPS have come back to us literally just now 392 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,855 and they've recommended one charge. 393 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,535 Charge? Of attempted murder. OK? 394 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,095 Samad, if it was any other offence, 395 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,015 then we'd consider it, yes. 396 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,895 But you can imagine, 397 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,775 the offence you've been arrested for is attempted murder. 398 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,215 Hello, Sergeant Nassar at Luton police station. 399 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,535 I have Samad Ali with me. 400 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,935 All right, I'm transferring the call now. 401 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,935 Hello? 402 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,735 UK? 403 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,815 He is shitting it now, in't he? 404 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,175 The offence of...? Attempted murder. 405 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,255 Suspects will often, if they know they're wanted, hand themselves in. 406 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,055 What option have they got? 407 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,975 They either go on the run, which suggests a degree of guilt. 408 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,495 So it's often a good ploy. 409 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,015 Have you been arrested before? 410 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,495 Yeah. So you know the process then? 411 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:35,335 Oh, did they? 412 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,135 One o'clock, Stephen O'Dell is coming in. 413 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,375 Ancl Stu and Claire, I think, are down for him. 414 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,535 They'll do what they can to sanitise their involvement. 415 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,095 They'll have probably sorted out an alibi 416 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,815 and they'll present themselves all innocent. 417 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,455 Steve? Yeah. Hello, mate. How you doing, you all right? 418 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,495 Before we go through, you ain't got anything in your pockets? 419 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,495 Gear or anything like that? Oh, no. No? 420 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,735 You'd be surprised. 421 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,455 Hi, Steve. I'm Claire. 422 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,015 This is Claire, I'm Stuart. Nice to meet you. Thanks for coming down. 423 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,095 That's fine. Time now is 1 :10 424 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:18,535 and I'm arresting you on suspicion of the attempted murder of Malik, 425 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,935 which occurred in Luton at 1 :55 in the morning 426 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,575 on the 31st of the 10th this year. All right? 427 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,175 You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if 428 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,975 you do not mention when questioned something 429 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,735 you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. 430 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,215 That's fine. OK. 431 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,695 We're not stopping you from having any calls. Is it your missus? Yeah. 432 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,695 Right, 0|<. 433 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:06,935 All good, yeah? 434 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,815 With one suspect, Samad Ali, charged with attempted murder... 435 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,895 Yeah, if you can book him in, that'd be great, yeah. Thanks. 436 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,415 ...detectives interview the three other suspects 437 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,655 in connection with the crime. 438 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,855 OK, this interview is being video recorded in an interview room 439 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,695 at Luton police station. 440 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,215 What generally happens is people won't speak to us 441 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,535 because they want to see what evidence we have got against them. 442 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,935 Can you tell me what your full name is, please? 443 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,775 BLEEP OK. 444 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,815 We always expect people to no comment, generally speaking, 445 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,455 and that's our starting point. 446 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,535 Have you had enough time to consult with your solicitor? Yep, OK. 447 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,735 Are you guys ready to crack on? 448 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,295 They are advised to no comment because they don't have to 449 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,695 prove their innocence, we have to prove their guilt. 450 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,375 The purpose of this interview, Stephen, is to allow you the 451 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,415 opportunity to give your side of the story and to establish the facts. 452 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,775 You do not have to say anything. 453 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,655 However, Stuart and I are still going to ask you questions. 454 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,255 You've been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder of Malik. 455 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,095 First of all, I'm going to ask you, do you actually know him? 456 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:17,775 No comment. 457 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,455 Tell me what you know about that incident. 458 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,215 No comment. 459 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,455 Have you heard of him? No comment. 460 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,575 Is he a friend of yours 461 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,935 or is he someone that's like an adversary to you? 462 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,615 Is he what you would call an enemy? No comment. 463 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,015 So, the man that was stabbed ancl shot is a man called Malik. 464 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,295 Do you know anyone by the name of Malik? 465 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,095 Malik rings a bell, but... 466 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,495 ...that's about it. 467 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,095 I know a few Maliks. 468 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,055 Have you ever had any issues with any of the Maliks? 469 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,775 No, I ain't had issues... for a while, to be fair. 470 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,175 OK. 471 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,655 So, this is early hours in the morning that this has happened. 472 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,295 Let's talk about, maybe the Wednesday might help. 473 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,735 So, from the late afternoon through to the early hours 474 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,535 of Thursday morning. 475 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,495 Ancl what I would like to know is what you can tell me about it. 476 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,735 So, from about 6:00 onwards, we had a Halloween party 477 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,055 at my ex-missus' house. 478 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,895 Family were there. 479 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,135 They left around 12 midnight. 480 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,175 And then, that was it, I was off to bed with my ex-partner. 481 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,935 After the party finished, did you ring anyone? 482 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,375 Uh, I ain't got... Speak to anyone? I haven't got a phone. 483 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,095 You haven't got a phone? No, I haven't got a phone, no. 484 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,815 Right. 485 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,615 Why don't you have a phone? 486 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,215 I was robbed about a month ago. 487 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,375 Have you reported that to the police? No. 488 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,295 So, if I mention the name, Stephen Michael O'Dell, 489 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,935 does that ring a bell at all? No comment. 490 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,215 Is he a friend of yours? No comment. 491 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,655 Did he play any part in this attack? No comment. 492 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,135 Other persons that we are interested in... 493 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,815 BLEEP. 494 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,815 Do you know who he is? Yeah, I know who he is. 495 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,335 You know who he is. Yeah. How do you know him? 496 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,215 Um, same high school. 497 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,015 When did you last see him? 498 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,375 Last see him... 499 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,855 Oh, it'd have been a mate's wedding. 500 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,215 Do you know if he's involved in the attempt murder of Malik? 501 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,495 I would like to think not. 502 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,975 OK. 503 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,695 The other man we're interested in is a man called... BLEEP. 504 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,735 Yeah. Do you know him? Yes, I know him. 505 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,255 How do you know him? Oh, he's been a mate for... 506 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,855 ...I'd say close to ten years. 507 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,455 I'm going to ask you about Samad Ali and Stephen O'DelL 508 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,175 Do you know any of those guys? No comment. 509 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,375 Do you know anyone by the name of Samad Ali? 510 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,095 No. 511 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,415 You sure? 100%. 512 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,855 Would you be linked to the attack in any way? 513 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,335 No comment. 514 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,215 Forensically, DNA. 515 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,695 No comment. Blood. 516 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,135 No comment. 517 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,935 Do you have any reason to believe that anything linked to you 518 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,695 would have been left at the scene? No comment. 519 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,095 So, are you aware of DNA, fingerprint, ancl things like that? 520 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,495 Yeah. 521 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,175 So, would we find any of your DNA at the scene? 522 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,455 No. Nothing, whatsoever. OK. 523 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,735 Did you drop anything? No. 524 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,055 You sure? Yes. 525 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,495 Anything you want to say about that? No. OK. 526 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,135 So, we have found your DNA at the scene. 527 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,455 Impossible. 528 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,535 So, this is exhibit FMM9. 529 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,855 This is where Malik was found fighting for his life. 530 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,135 OK. 531 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,455 Ancl this balaclava has been found. 532 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,935 Ancl your DNA is on that balaclava, Steve. 533 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,255 Impossible. 534 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,975 How? Impossible. It's... 535 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,855 I only own one balaclava, and that's my motorbike balaclava. 536 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,015 That one is 100% not my balaclava. 537 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,135 That's got your wearer DNA inside, 538 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,455 and that has got Malik's blood on the outside. 539 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,815 Definitely not... That's not my balaclava. 540 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,535 I don't give a shit what you lot see. 541 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,175 You cannot say that's my balaclava. 542 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,575 1 million percent. 543 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,295 Well, why is your DNA there, then? That's... 544 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,615 My DNA is not in that. It is, mate. It is. 545 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,335 It's not. It's not. 546 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,695 Stephen, honestly, you can't just sit here and say, 547 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,055 "That's not my balaclava. That's not my DNA." I don't... 548 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,495 You need to tell me how your DNA got in that. 549 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,815 Listen... 550 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,775 SOLICITOR: At this stage, do you want to have a quick chat with me? 551 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,175 Yes, 100%, please. 552 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,095 OK, that's fine. 553 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,175 So, we'll end the interview, then, at 1525. 554 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,495 WHISPERING: He didn't like that, did he? Yeah. 555 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,255 Cos how he reacted was, like... 556 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,175 Do you believe him? 557 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,935 It wouldn't surprise me if someone's reined it in. 558 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,655 No. Do you not reckon? 559 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,015 No. I don't... 560 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,815 He's lying about the party. 561 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,175 Yeah. 562 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,095 I was so shocked he started talking. 563 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,095 PHONE RINGS 564 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,695 Hello, Claire. 565 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,535 Hi, I've just come out of interview, they wanted a break. 566 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,095 What, after you dropped the bombshell? Yeah. 567 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,855 He literally just lost it. 568 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,535 Like, he completely changed his behaviour. 569 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,975 "That is not my balaclava. 570 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,975 "That is not my DNA. 571 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,575 "The only balaclava I own is my motorcycle balaclava." 572 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,375 Has he worn anyone else's? 573 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,135 I didn't get as far as that, Mike. 574 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,495 Cover all that off, cos, obviously... Yeah, of course. 575 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,215 ...he's going to come up with some sort of story as to... 576 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,695 Yeah, absolutely. 577 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,535 All right, cheers. Bye. Bye. 578 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,575 He's lying about it all. Yeah, you can tell. 579 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,615 He's really nervous, isn't he? But he.... 580 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,655 He thought he was going to come in here and give us that story, 581 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,415 and we were going to have nothing to debunk it. 582 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,655 That DNA was just boom, wasn't it? Yeah, he's a liar, though. 583 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,335 Yeah, he got a phone. 584 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,735 No-one would text someone like this, with those injuries, for no reason. 585 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,535 Please enlighten me in relation to why this has happened. 586 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,815 No comment. 587 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,375 Is it over drugs? 588 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,575 No comment. 589 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,575 Is it over money? No comment. 590 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,335 Or has he just really pissed someone off? 591 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,535 No comment. 592 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,255 Is this down to Malik assaulting BLEEP in prison? No comment. 593 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,815 Is that what this is all about? No comment. 594 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,135 Cos if it is, do you want to tell us anything about that? 595 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,455 No comment. 596 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,135 There we are. Bullet and balaclava results. 597 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,495 It is estimated that DNA profile is at least one billion times 598 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,615 more likely to be his than to be another unknown person. 599 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,415 Yeah, that's it, mate. 600 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,695 He's stuffed. 601 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,015 Do you want to write your notes up? 602 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,735 just thinking about the next interview, though. 603 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,735 What possible defences? 604 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,215 Mm. 605 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,775 We always say, if they talk, they probably didn't do it. 606 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,295 Yeah. 607 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,855 He's going to say no comment now, isn't he? 608 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,295 That's good. 609 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,575 OK, so, we are talking about this balaclava. 610 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,975 Inside we have found your DNA. 611 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,655 So, who else... It has to be someone else's DNA on that. 612 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,855 Unless someone's got your DNA... that matches your DNA. 613 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,775 Unless I've got a twin. Have you got a twin, identical twin? 614 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,895 I know... But I know that. 615 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,655 I'm not trying to get, like, rude or nothing. 616 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,615 I'm just trying... No, no, I understand. 617 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,495 I was not at that scene. 618 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,855 That balaclava has to have someone else's DNA on that. 619 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,535 I did not have that balaclava on. 620 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,575 And just... it just... 621 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,855 'n. 622 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,775 Who had that balaclava on? 623 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,135 This is what I'm trying to say, right? If... 624 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,615 It was not me. 625 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,415 Hands down, it was not me. 626 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,415 If that was me, right... 627 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,415 I'm there attacking someone, why would I take my balaclava off? 628 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,375 But in the melee... 629 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,695 We don't know what Malik was doing, cos we're yet to speak with him. 630 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:57,975 Yeah, I do know that, but... 631 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,935 But he might have been fighting with his attackers 632 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,255 and it might have come off in the struggle. Yeah, I understand that. 633 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,255 So, what I'm saying is... 634 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,575 I know if I go to a fucking shooting, 635 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,895 a stabbing, or whatever else that's happened, 636 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,295 and I leave something like that... 637 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,615 ...I'm fucked. 638 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,215 So, let's go backwards. 639 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:21,735 When was the last time you wore a black balaclava 640 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,135 that wasn't for motorbike racing? 641 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,775 We're talking about an attempted murder here. Of course. 642 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,855 So, if you're talking about, you've worn it for any 643 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,535 other criminality, or anything like that. 644 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,815 OK, now's not the time to be coy about it, because... 645 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,775 ...given a slightly different version of events, 646 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,095 your DNA could be at a murder scene. 647 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,855 Without trying to think that I'm not taking it serious... 648 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,215 You need to tell us how your DNA got in there. 649 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,775 Who had that balaclava? Who wore it at the scene? 650 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,135 Who dropped it? I don't know. 651 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,175 Have you committed a crime wearing a balaclava 652 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,815 with any of the people that we suggest are involved? 653 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,695 I don't know the other people that you're saying. 654 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:03,735 I haven't committed a crime. 655 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,455 But you're mates. Well, you know two out of three of them. 656 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,815 With them two, no. With them, no? 100%, no. 657 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,095 Right. 658 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,335 The Sam... 659 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,135 Samad Ali, that's the other chap. 660 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,815 Samad Ali. 661 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,575 He could be... I don't know. What do you mean, he could be? 662 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,575 He could be like a friend of a friend. 663 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,575 Like, he could have been around me. I don't know. 664 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,455 But this is not mine. I do not own this balaclava. 665 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,095 Has anyone got any issues with you? 666 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,935 No, I have no issues with anyone. 667 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,455 Are you under any duress? No. 668 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,095 I'm not a fucking angel. 669 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,815 I've been... You know my records. 670 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,095 I've been fucking an idiot back in the past, whatever else. 671 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,815 And I've done shit. 672 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,735 I don't live that lifestyle no more. 673 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,775 I have kids I look after. 674 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,535 This is not my balaclava. 675 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,855 Stephen... 676 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,175 OK, it might not be your balaclava. 677 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,975 Can I...? But it's your DNA. Can I have a word with him, please? 678 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,295 That's fine, OK. 679 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,695 We'll just pause the interview one minute. 680 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,095 OK, let's go to another room. 681 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,095 We'll leave the tapes running, so don't say anything. Come out. 682 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,015 Yeah, there is. Have you got one? 683 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,855 Yeah. If you go in that one. 684 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,455 All right, no worries. 685 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,695 He can't just say, "|t's not mine." No. 686 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,055 Cos he's holding something back. Yeah. 687 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,375 It's a one in one billion chance it being a twin, and he knows that. 688 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,375 But he needs to talk to us. 689 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,735 You OK? Yeah. 690 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,135 You good? Yeah. 691 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,855 Can I just remind you, Steve, 692 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,215 the interview's still under police caution. 693 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,455 So, we were just talking about the statistics 694 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,815 and your DNA being on this balaclava. 695 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,615 You lot are the professionals, 696 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,535 and you lot will get to the bottom of who had that balaclava on. 697 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,575 I know that for a fact. 698 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,055 Do you know who had it on? 699 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,415 No. This is the thing, I do not know who had it on. 700 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,015 If you knew who had it on, would you tell me? 701 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,455 Listen, let me tell you something, right? 702 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,495 It's not about being a grass, or whatever else. 703 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,895 I don't give a shit... It's about protecting them kids. 704 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,175 It's my family, right? My kids. 705 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,175 This is a life sentence. Mm-hm. 706 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,215 Do you not understand that? Yeah. 707 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,775 I am not risking my life for my kids. 708 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,095 My kids are my everything. 709 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,415 So, if you knew who'd clone this, you would tell us? 710 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,695 Yes. 711 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,615 If I knew, then... I don't know. 712 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,455 I would have to, if I knew. 713 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,175 Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. 714 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,575 So, when would you have worn a balaclava like that? 715 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,895 I ride my motorbike on the road. It's not... 716 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,175 When you shouldn't be. Yeah. 717 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,575 OK. All right, fine. Well, we're not here to talk about that. 718 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,375 Traffic of fences, attempted murder. 719 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,735 Yeah. Let's... 720 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,575 Yeah, I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. 721 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,095 All right? 722 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,615 So, it's possible you have worn a balaclava like that? 723 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,015 Yes. 724 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,815 All the time to avoid the police. 725 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,175 I have a lot of people that I go with. 726 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,695 Have you given one of your old balaclavas...? 727 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,615 Them ones are long gone. Where? Where did they go? 728 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,495 Long gone where? I don't know. 729 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,095 Like, urn, there's been times before when I've had it 730 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,615 in my man bag with my gloves. 731 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,175 Um, someone else has wanted to borrow it. 732 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,175 I've had them in my pockets. 733 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,375 You know, I've had them, and I've... They've gone. 734 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,055 So, when was the last time you lent one to someone? 735 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,775 I don't know. 736 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,375 And who did you lend it to? 737 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,415 Urn... 738 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,655 Cos this is probably the most important question you've been asked 739 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,375 in this interview. 740 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,975 Ancl your solicitor will tell you this. No, no, no... 741 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,375 If that is a balaclava that you've worn and you have lent to someone, 742 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,335 and then it's turned up at an attempted murder scene... 743 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,815 I don't want to say the name, then you go nick him for this... 744 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,375 ...massive thing. 745 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,135 Who'd you give it to? 746 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,375 Mate, you need to tell us who you gave it to. 747 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,495 Cos you're sitting here... No, I know. ..arrested for attempt murder. 748 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,175 You might be charged. 749 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,535 I know this, I know this. 750 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,375 So, the guy who may have been wearing this is walking free. 751 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,095 Come on, Steve, do the right thing. I don't... 752 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,255 You're not a grass. 753 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,935 You've got your kids to think about. 754 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,215 Describe him to us. 755 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:16,775 White? Black? Asian? 756 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,215 Oh, no, he's... 757 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,495 I think he's Pakistani. OK. 758 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,175 Age? 759 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,135 OK. 760 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,735 Yeah, I don't know... 761 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,135 Slim, big? 762 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,695 Slim, um... 763 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:30,935 Not slim. 764 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,375 just think of him. Picture him and describe him to us. 765 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,455 Can't remember if he's got facial hair or not. 766 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,535 Urn... 767 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,215 And where's he from? 768 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,015 Don't know. 769 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,375 ls there anything else you can tell us about him? 770 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,695 That's... I literally... That's all| know. 771 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,455 I don't know his name. 772 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,095 OK. 773 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,935 All right, anything else? 774 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,535 OK. 775 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,055 All right, then. 776 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,615 That's not mine. OK. 777 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,215 Thank you for talking to us, Steve. We'll end the interview now. 778 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,615 Hello. 779 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,175 He was adamant, mate. 780 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,775 OK. 781 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,575 There was a lot of things in there that you kind of thought, 782 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,335 "You're lying," but I couldn't pinpoint what he was lying about. 783 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,775 Yeah. 784 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,695 There's something he's not telling us. 785 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,255 But we go on the evidence. 786 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,655 Ancl I don't think the reason he's given us for his DNA being on 787 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,375 that balaclava at the scene is enough. 788 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,895 Likelihood is, don't think that's going to be enough to... 789 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,455 ...negate what he's saying. 790 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,255 Whether he was lying cos he knows what's happened, 791 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,015 whether he's lying cos he was there and someone else had the balaclava. 792 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,255 And only right at the end did he say, "Oh, I did have a balaclava 793 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,255 "like that, but I lent it to a bloke." 794 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,815 Well... 795 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,615 If that's what he says... 796 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,895 He's involved in this somehow. 797 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,615 Enough to get his hands dirty. 798 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,215 Right, OK. 799 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,095 It's now come out that he might have lent some bloke a balaclava. 800 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,455 He's tried to say, "|f I was going to do it, I wouldn't be 801 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,335 "stupid enough to leave my balaclava there." 802 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,255 Well, he didn't do it on purpose, did he? 803 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,895 So, he's basically saying... I know. People say that all the time. 804 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,655 Because he's a good criminal, 805 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,015 he's basically saying that he wouldn't get caught out. 806 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,615 But how many times do you come out of interviews sometimes 807 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,495 ancl think people are really, really genuine, then you think, oh, yeah? 808 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,975 Yeah, exactly. 809 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,335 But bearing in mind the swabs are from the mouth and the nose, 810 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,815 and if somebody else has had that on... 811 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,695 There's no other profile. 812 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:43,975 Yeah, we've got no other profile in there. 813 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,055 Without enough evidence to link two of the suspects 814 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,135 to the attempted murder, police have no choice 815 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,055 but to release them on bail. 816 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,095 So, lighter, coat, belt, 100 quid in cash. 817 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,935 Sound right? 818 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,375 So, the bail conditions you've got is not to contact directly, 819 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,335 indirectly Stephen Michael O'Dell and Samad Ali. 820 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,895 Right, then. 821 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,615 Yeah, from O'Dell's data point of view, 822 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,295 coming up to the incident, really, it's being used. 823 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,615 Detectives have managed to link Stephen O'Dell to a phone registered 824 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,175 to his former girlfriend's mother. 825 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,655 By 2:57, he's in the area where the car is then later torched. 826 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,655 Ancl then he stops using his phone. 827 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,895 What it does, it destroys his alibi, because he and his girlfriend 828 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,255 are saying that they were having a party, and he was there all night. 829 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,895 His phone clearly does move away. 830 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,695 He's not at that party. 831 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,455 O'Dell says that he doesn't know Ali, but clearly he does know Ali, 832 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,335 because less than 15 minutes after the incident - 833 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,855 the incident's at 1 :55 - at 2:1 1, Ali is calling O'Dell 834 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,175 and calls him for 35 seconds. 835 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,575 That call, in itself, shows that they are associates. 836 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,375 So, O'Dell does know Ali. Yeah. 837 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,375 The victim's come back in a taxi, and they've been waiting for him. 838 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,695 Yes, that's correct. 839 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:22,495 There is obviously no other DNA on the balaclava apart from his. 840 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,575 I guess he thought that if he came out with a plausible account 841 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,975 at the start of it, then perhaps we would believe him. 842 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,895 But there'll be something somewhere which they absolutely will not have 843 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,775 thought about, or made allowances for. 844 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,495 What's the saying? They've got to be lucky all the time. 845 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,495 We've only got to be lucky once. 846 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,855 All right, that's brilliant. Thanks ever so much. 847 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,815 All right, then. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Bye-bye. 848 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,735 Mr O'Dell is going to be charged. 849 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,975 Oh, good. 850 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,655 Looking for remand, as well? 851 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,175 I'd have thought so. 852 00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,895 He's a wrong fun. 853 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,575 Subtitles by Red Bee Media