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This program me contains strong
language, discussions of suicide
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and descriptions of stalking that
some viewers may find upsetting
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Megan, she's always said she likes
animals better than people.
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She had her first baby very young,
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and she thought that that was
the end of her going to college.
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But she used her second
maternity to do her veterinary.
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She put everything
into everything she did.
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She met Dan in the town square
in Peterborough.
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The kids were playing
and he asked her out.
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He seemed happy and bouncy
and like an overgrown puppy.
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That's how I would describe him.
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They moved in together after six,
seven months
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and it just sort of
went from there.
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But really didn't see it coming.
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It's crucial that we find the truth.
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Police! Police!
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Hands behind your back.
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You've got to question everything.
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Believe nobody.
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It's almost a game of chess,
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try and get them to slip up.
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This is your opportunity
to talk to me.
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PHONE RINGS
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Cambridgeshire Police emergency,
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how may we help you?
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Hi, um, this is going to sound
really odd,
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but I had a message
from someone on Snapchat
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saying that they've killed
their ex-partner
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and they want me to ring the police
for them,
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and they've given me
an address to where they are.
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The only thing I have is
their Snapchat name is AuthenticDan.
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AuthenticDan?
Dan, yeah. Dan, as in Daniel.
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Yeah.
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It's a really odd situation.
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OK, well, that's absolutely fine.
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I'll get them to send somebody
out immediately, OK?
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Do you want me to call ambulance?
What's his name?
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Cambridgeshire Police immediately
dispatch two response cars
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and one Taser unit following
the report
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that a man has killed his ex-partner.
KNOCK ON DOOR
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Turn and face the stairs for me
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and keep your hands
where I can see them.
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Just stay there where you are.
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Keep your hands where I can see
them. Yeah, sorry. Come in. OK?
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My colleague
is going to approach you.
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She's going to put handcuffs on you.
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Handcuffs?
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Stay where you are.
Right, put your hands there.
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What for? Put your arms behind
your back.
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Who else is in the property?
just me and the clogs.
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OK. What's going on?
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Keep your hands there.
Don't make any sudden movements.
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Right, we need to check
this property,
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because there's been a message sent
saying that you've killed somebody.
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What?!
That's the information we've got,
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so we need to pop them out
an explanation. What?! Killed who?
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Killed who? Is it Dan, is it?
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Yeah, Dan? Yeah, what's...?
Sorry, guys. What's going on?
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Right, once my colleague
has searched the property...
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Well, can I turn around
and sit down, if possible?
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Yeah. Please?
Is that all right?
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So can you just say that again?
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So we've had a message to say
that someone in this address
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has killed their ex-partner.
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Are you...?
Are you taking the piss?
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No, we don't take the piss.
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Like, we don't come to the door
with Tasers for a joke.
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We need to investigate.
No, no, no worries.
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No worries, like this.
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Can I call her?
Cos that's my ex-partner.
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What's her name? We've literally...
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Look... What's her name? Megan.
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Look, we've literally just broke up.
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So you've broken up
with your ex-partner?
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I'm still living here till
I move out.
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So you're still living here?
And she's at work at the minute?
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Yes.
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My heart is going, man.
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PHONE RINGS
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Good afternoon. How can I help?
Can I speak to Megan, please?
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It's urgent. OFFICER: Who's that?
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His partner.
ON PHONE: Can I ask who's calling?
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No, I just need to speak
to Megan asap, please.
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Hello, is that Megan?
MEGAN: Yes!
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Are you alive?
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I'm at work. Oh, you're...
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I've got four police officers here.
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Apparently someone's called them
saying that I've murdered you.
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What are you on about? I'm at work.
What am I on about?
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Speak... What's your name?
Jill. Speak to her.
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Hi, Megan. We've had a call to say
that someone here
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may have hurt their ex-partner.
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Yeah, this is me.
I'm absolutely fine.
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I've been at work all clay.
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All right, then, really sorry
to disturb you at work.
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I'm just glad you're all right.
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Yeah, no, no, I'm fine.
I'm fine, thank you.
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No worries. Bye. Bye-bye.
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Hello, this is
Cambridgeshire Police.
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Well, basically, I'm at home, yeah,
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and I got a request on Snapchat
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from a girl from Peterborough,
yeah...
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Right. "telling me that she needs
my help
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and she stabbed and killed
her ex-partner.
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I thought she was lying.
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Yeah. But she just sent me
a picture...
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...of someone on the floor with blood
all around them
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and it looks very real.
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Her name's Megan.
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She said this guy's been dead
for hours.
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I'm going to get some help organised
for you.
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Just stay on the phone.
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OK, Oscar one.
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Go ahead.
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I have requested ambulance.
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So, just to confirm,
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how many people are hurt?
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We don't know.
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We're thinking it's potentially
going to be a male
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named Daniel Dugdale.
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Is there any serious bleeding?
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Yes, yes.
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Five response officers,
an armed vehicle
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and three ambulances
are deployed.
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RADIO BEEPS
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just for your information
on arrival,
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house is all
in darkness at the moment.
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Just putting a knock in now.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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Hello, Megan? I'm Megan.
Megan. Hi, Megan.
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It's armed police.
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I'm going to be perfectly
frank with you.
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We've had information that
you've potentially stabbed someone.
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Is there anyone else here
at the moment?
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My children are sleeping upstairs.
just your children.
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So if you're happy, we'll come in.
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There was a call about another
address.
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With your Snapchat stuff...
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That's not my Snapchat.
It's not yours?
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It's not mine. Right, OK.
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So, yesterday they created two,
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but they'd used my email for one
and my phone number for another.
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Have you fallen out with anyone
recently, like ex-partners?
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No, like, I keep myself to myself.
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Well, I split up with my ex,
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but he's apparently also
being attacked in this, so...
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Yeah, just confirm we've got Megan,
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and her kids
are fast asleep upstairs.
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We're talking to her now,
but certainly no-one's been stabbed.
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We've searched the house.
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All right, thanks very much.
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All right, cheers.
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Police conduct a welfare check
on the ex-partner,
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who has recently
moved to a new address.
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What was his name? Daniel.
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Daniel?
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Oh, hello. Hello. I'm looking for
someone called Daniel.
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We're here because, allegedly,
you've been stabbed, so...
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You got badges?
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I need proof of who you are.
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Our ID cards? Yes, please.
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Yeah, yeah, that's all right.
What's been going on?
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That's my warrant card.
Got my warrant card there.
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And that one? Yep.
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Who called you? I have no idea.
No, can you call...?
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I'm guessing are your officers
at Megan's?
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Just to make sure she's all right.
We've literally just come from...
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Yeah, we've just come from there.
Yeah.
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I should explain
what's been going on.
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So, what are they doing?
Snapchatting you
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or messaging you or...?
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It's gone from, so, what,
two weeks ago now
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they put a post up
that I committed suicide.
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Right. Ancl this is on...?
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Facebook, Snapchat, emails,
fucking you name it, it's on them.
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Right, yeah, right.
It's too much for me.
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It's getting too much, all right.
It's too much.
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Like, I can't...
I don't sleep, I don't eat,
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I don't drink because all this shit,
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it's getting to the point where
I'm too scared to walk to work.
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Mm.
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Oh, look, a random click pic
they sent us.
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Yeah. Thanks, guys.
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How did they send that?
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Er... Facebook.
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Oh, it's obviously difficult
when it's all online.
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You're fine, but we now need to get
to the bottom
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of all of this crap that's going on,
isn't it? You're telling me.
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I know, I know, yeah.
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Engaging with Daniel now,
we're standing down ambulance.
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He certainly doesn't need
their requirements.
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Life is hard as it is.
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I've had anxiety attacks
quite a lot.
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I shake.
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I'm scared that someone's
going to kill me.
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I can be sat in a room full
of people,
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you don't know what A, B, C
person is going to do to you.
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How are you meant to go out
with friends
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when you feel like that?
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When you feel like
everyone's against you?
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You never know when it's going
to attack you, really.
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Ancl that's the scariest
thing about it.
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Normally when you get given
an investigation,
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you have a suspect,
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like most people know who it is
that they're accusing of a crime,
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so it adds a whole other layer
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that you're dealing with an unknown.
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You don't know who they are,
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you don't know
what they're capable of.
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Hello. Hello, Megan?
It's DC Richardson calling.
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Hi. I'm just wondering
if you'd be able to come in Tuesday
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to get your phone downloaded.
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I suppose it's the boy
who cried wolf.
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You know, they could have reported
a hoax call three times,
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the next one could be real.
Yeah, you never know.
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PHONE RINGS
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Good evening, Cambridgeshire Police.
How can we help?
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Just I've had a very strange
message
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that's got me quite freaked out
from someone I don't even know.
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"I've just murdered my kids and ex."
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Right, OK. Where is this?
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What's the address?
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We're here. Yeah.
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So when was the last time
this happened?
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Who do you think it is, sorry?
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Oh, you don't know?
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MEGAN: Cheers.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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Police.
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Hello, Megan?
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You all right?
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Hello, come in.
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Yes, please.
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Hello.
You're not going out to play.
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Oh, thank you.
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It must be very frustrating for you.
Yeah.
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Fair enough.
We'll get out your way.
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Sorry about that. Thank you.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
Are you...?
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We had a call from web chat
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and it's just saying
that you've killed the kids.
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Can you call her on video? Yeah.
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You don't know who's doing it,
do you? No.
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PHONE RINGS
Hi.
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Hi, can the police see the children?
Hello.
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Well, apparently I've killed them,
so they need to see them.
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Yeah.
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I'm just constantly worried
about her safety.
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30 miles away
doesn't sound long,
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but if anything happens,
I can't be there quick.
251
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I can't get there quickly.
252
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It's out of your control,
253
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and because you don't know
who it is...
254
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If you know it's a certain person
doing a certain thing,
255
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you can take action to prevent
that or to stop it.
256
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But when you don't know,
there's nothing you can do.
257
00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,975
That's the hardest thing,
258
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,455
is watching your child go
through something
259
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,295
you can't help them with.
260
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Cambridgeshire Police emergency,
how can I help?
261
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Yeah, hello there.
262
00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,015
I'm concerned about
my daughter.
263
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She's had death threats,
264
00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,775
and I've not been able to get
in contact with her
265
00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,575
since six o'clock this evening.
266
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I'm worried for her safety.
267
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PHONE RINGS
268
00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,335
Cambridgeshire Police,
how can we help you?
269
00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,215
Hiya. I've got an ongoing case
with CID,
270
00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,975
with PC Richardson. Yeah.
271
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,815
I just need to report more stuff
that's been happening.
272
00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,135
Thank you.
just give me one moment.
273
00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,615
Yeah.
274
00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,415
The female victim in a serious
harassment investigation reports
275
00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,375
that while she is OK, the threats
against her are escalating.
276
00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,775
So, Megan had a malicious
report to social services
277
00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,135
about her children,
saying that she was a prostitute
278
00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,055
and she takes drugs
and that she has random men
279
00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,655
round the house with the kids,
280
00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,495
so social services
had to investigate that.
281
00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,375
A lot of effort being
made to target them. Yeah.
282
00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,935
Ancl daily as well at this point,
like, I really feel for them.
283
00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,775
It's a horrible situation to be in.
284
00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,015
A hoax is a malicious call
to an emergency service.
285
00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,775
You've then got the resources
being taken up
286
00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,735
that could be used
for someone genuinely in need.
287
00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,535
I've been in the serious crime team
for just over two months,
288
00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,135
and this is one of my first
proper investigations
289
00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,855
that I have been OIC for,
290
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,575
so it is quite a big one to tackle
straight off the bat.
291
00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,375
Trainee detective Emily Richardson
seeks advice
292
00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,175
from Sergeant Tracy Williams,
293
00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,855
the force lead on stalking.
294
00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,935
OK, can you just take me
through this from the start?
295
00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,655
I know we've got Daniel
and Megan.
296
00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,975
So they'd been in
a relationship for about two years.
297
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,255
That broke down around Christmas.
298
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,895
Around 6th January
299
00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,095
is when he started receiving
messages. OK.
300
00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,495
Ancl then shortly after
he started receiving messages,
301
00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,775
she started receiving the messages
as well.
302
00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,415
So, she's a vet nurse. Yeah.
303
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,855
So someone set up an email address
in her name
304
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,135
and emailed the Royal College of
Veterinary Surgeons... Yeah.
305
00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,575
...and said, "I don't want
to be a vet nurse any more.
306
00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,455
"Take me off the register." OK.
307
00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,175
There was a malicious
social services report.
308
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,855
There was allegations that she was
taking drugs in the house,
309
00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,575
she was a prostitute.
310
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,895
Like, really bad stuff.
311
00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,615
It's not just harassment,
312
00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:26,775
this is stalking.
313
00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,735
This is more severe.
314
00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,575
It's more personal. Mm-hm.
315
00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,135
One in two stalkers,
316
00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,015
if they make a threat to harm
or to kill the victim,
317
00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,615
they will actually
go ahead and do it.
318
00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,295
That is...you know, that's where you
can die from being stalked.
319
00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,735
People don't die
from being harassed,
320
00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,215
they can die from being stalked,
321
00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,735
and that is the major difference.
322
00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,015
When you understand it personally,
323
00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,735
you have more sympathy
324
00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,655
for the people
that it's happening to.
325
00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,295
So, I have been stalked.
326
00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,135
When I realised what exactly
had been happening,
327
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,015
I thought, "Oh, my God, you know,
I'm a police officer.
328
00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,335
"I should have seen it
for what it was."
329
00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:12,895
But I'm not just a police officer,
330
00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,375
I'm a human being.
331
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,335
I'm a woman, I'm a mother,
332
00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:20,655
and I know what this behaviour
can do to somebody.
333
00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,975
DISTORTED VOICE:
334
00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,815
Both victims are asked to surrender
their phones for analysis.
335
00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,575
ON PHONE: Megan, are you ready
to die?
336
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,855
I'll be waiting at the top
of the road for you.
337
00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:37,135
Or in the woods. just know I see
you, but you can't see me.
338
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,495
Can't even work
out what that one says.
339
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,215
Something like, "|'ll be waiting
top of the road or in the woods.
340
00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,735
"I can see you,
but you can't see me."
341
00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,055
It's definitely not stopping.
342
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,615
Whoever's doing it is relentless.
343
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,175
Like, it's a full-time job.
344
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,535
They're sending hundreds
of messages every day.
345
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,615
Yeah, when was the...?
What was the date?
346
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,375
So that was 13th January at 11.06.
I remember getting it at work.
347
00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,415
They're using a mask behind
different profiles on social media.
348
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,095
They're changing them all the time.
349
00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:04,895
They're using no caller ID to call.
350
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,215
So they're really going
to great lengths
351
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,535
to keep themselves anonymous.
352
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,415
He's given a statement,
she's given a statement.
353
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,575
I just need to arrange for him
to come in and give his phone in,
354
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,535
but he was busy this weekend, so...
Oh, OK.
355
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:21,855
But he is going to give
his phone in?
356
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,215
Apparently, yeah. OK.
You don't sound sure.
357
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,135
Well, he said he was going
to before,
358
00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,935
and then he said
that he couldn't, so...
359
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,695
Oh, OK. We'll see.
360
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,335
PHONE RINGS
361
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:32,455
Hello, love.
362
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,335
I've currently got an ongoing
investigation
363
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:38,215
happening with my ex-partner. OK.
364
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,775
What is it that's happening?
365
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,055
Who's the suspect in this?
366
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,855
The officer doesn't know yet.
367
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,535
DC Richardson is under pressure
from Daniel Dugdale
368
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,335
to identify the anonymous stalker.
369
00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:52,935
Been on duty for the last couple
of clays,
370
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,335
and I've had quite
a few messages,
371
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,335
because he's called in to 101
because he wants to speak to me.
372
00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:58,975
He turned up at the station
a couple of times
373
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,455
to talk to me as well,
I think,
374
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,175
when I've not phoned him
back straight away.
375
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,095
So it's just... He's quite intense.
376
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,615
I had an email from
our intelligence unit.
377
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,655
There was another hoax Snapchat
received from someone in the USA
378
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,495
and the Snapchat self-reported it,
379
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,375
and then Interpol Washington
sent it through to me,
380
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,535
so that was bizarre to come in to
on a Monday morning.
381
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,855
Not the normal thing
that hits my inbox.
382
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,815
Officers visit a witness
who received a hoax murder report
383
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,535
from a Facebook account
claiming to be Megan.
384
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,575
Hello, you OK? Hiya.
385
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,895
Are we all right to come in?
DOG BARKS
386
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,255
It's all right.
387
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,975
So I've got the, um, information
from the 999 call from you,
388
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,695
but that's kind of all I've got.
389
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,135
So if you could just sort of talk me
through, like, what happened.
390
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,415
Just a random message.
391
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,215
Yeah? it just said hey.
392
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,135
Then another one -
"Do you have kids?"
393
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,495
So I messaged back saying,
"Why did you ask?"
394
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,855
And that's when I got
the big message
395
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,815
saying about, "I've killed my
boyfriend and the kids." Right.
396
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,175
Like, "Ring the police,
this is my address."
397
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,335
So, how did you feel
when you saw that?
398
00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:15,895
It frightened me.
399
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,135
Yeah. It shook me up quite a bit.
Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah.
400
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,375
And someone called Dan
that was on my Facebook,
401
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,495
he'd popped up that day to say hello
cos he was bored. Right.
402
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,855
And he kept trying to ring me
and I kept ending it, saying,
403
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,535
"No way I'm dealing with someone,
cos I just got that."
404
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,975
He started saying that he thinks
he's got the same message
405
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,335
that I've got, even though I hadn't
said that I got a message yet,
406
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,135
which made it really weird.
407
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,895
Sorry, so who said...?
408
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,815
Sorry, run that past me again.
409
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,575
Yeah. Megan or whoever it is...
410
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,895
Yeah. ..had sent the same message,
copy and pasted.
411
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,055
So he told me what it said
before I'd sent him the screenshot.
412
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,415
Right.
What's his name on Facebook?
413
00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,655
Dan Dugdale.
414
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,375
So, are you friends with him
on Facebook?
415
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,175
I was friends with him on Facebook,
yeah. OK.
416
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,615
But he's only spoken to me once,
like a year ago,
417
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,575
because he thought
he found my bank card
418
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,935
in Peterborough in a pub
he was working in.
419
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,255
Yeah. OK. Wow. There's a lot
to unpack there.
420
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,655
Yeah, it was all quite weird.
421
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,015
Have you ever heard from him since?
Yeah.
422
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,335
He was ringing me every bloody day.
He became a nuisance.
423
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,735
Really?!
424
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,735
Oh. OK.
425
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,655
Did you ever meet him or anything
like that? Once. You did? Yeah.
426
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,175
It was after then that I just
blocked him because he was
427
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,455
so up himself. Oh, really? Yeah.
428
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,895
He wasn't the nice person
that he pretends to be.
429
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,655
OK.
430
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,255
Is this Dan involved in it all?
431
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,935
Did you know of him already?
432
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,735
Yeah, there's quite a lot to it.
433
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,175
I'll just speak to my sergeant
and then I'll see how much
434
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,455
I can tell you about.
435
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,095
All right.
436
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,295
And people told me I was silly
for ringing it through.
437
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,415
No, not at all.
438
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,775
Not at all.
You did the right thing.
439
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,655
Hello. She received this message
from Megan
440
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,535
saying, "|'ve killed my kids," blah,
blah, blah, all that stuff.
441
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,695
At the same time, she received
a message from Dan saying,
442
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,495
"Oh, I've received this message
as well."
443
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,855
"Don't crash on your way home.
I'll run you off the road.
444
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,455
"Can I kill you? Your kids will be
better off without you."
445
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,815
Where is this coming from? This is
the Facebook messages
446
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,735
she's received. "Go kill yourself.
Crash your car.
447
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,375
"I won't rape you.
You'll be begging for it." Wow.
448
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,095
The police team review
the threatening messages
449
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:35,495
sent to Megan.
450
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,015
Pictures of dead clogs, Satanic
pictures of animal sacrifices,
451
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,935
pornographic pictures, bestiality,
pornography.
452
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,295
It's horrible.
It's proper horrible.
453
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,095
With all phone work, there's
limitations, especially for a case
454
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:51,575
like this, where a lot of the crime
has been committed on social media,
455
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,415
but there's a lot of things
in the background that we can do
456
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,295
that perhaps people aren't aware of.
457
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,775
He's rung her at 3.26.06, 3.26.10,
458
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,255
3.26.13, 3.26.17.
Like, literally every four seconds.
459
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,815
But he's been withholding
his number,
460
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,695
so that's come through to her
as no caller ID.
461
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,655
The stalker is using a no caller ID,
462
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,455
but the phone work reveals
which number is actually
463
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,975
being used for that.
464
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,375
Nobody can stay anonymous for ever.
465
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,495
Officers now have grounds to arrest.
466
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,535
So, I think everyone kind of knows,
like, a basic overview of the case.
467
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,655
Daniel, who we're going to arrest,
initially reported himself
468
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,815
as a victim. So, the suspect is
going to be a bit surprised,
469
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,815
I think, when we turn up
and arrest him.
470
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,295
Make sure we seize any kind of
electronic device
471
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,975
that he could be using.
472
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,335
Ancl then I think Elliot's
going to try and download...
473
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:48,935
If we can try and identify pin codes
for any devices early doors...
474
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,335
Brill.
475
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:52,695
OK. Cool. Happy clays. Let's roll.
476
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,695
Hiya. The police. Hello.
ls Daniel here?
477
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,695
OK. Um...
478
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,215
Right. The time is three minutes
past nine
479
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,135
and you're under arrest for stalking
and wasting police time.
480
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,495
So, you do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence
481
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,975
if you do not mention
when questioned
482
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,535
something which you later
rely on in court.
483
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,895
Anything you do say may be
given in evidence. Really?
484
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,215
Yeah. Is that...is that
your phone there? Yeah.
485
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,855
Can I take that from you for now?
486
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,855
Has it got a pin code on it?
487
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,495
Four, five, seven, eight. Cool.
488
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,055
Four, five, seven, eight.
489
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,375
27-year-old Daniel Dugdale
is under arrest on suspicion
490
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,655
of stalking his ex-partner
and wasting police time.
491
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,055
What's the type of stalking?
492
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,655
So, we've got messages
from Facebook accounts,
493
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,295
hoax police calls, repeated
unwanted contact and calls.
494
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,975
It's just an allegation. No, no, no.
No worries.
495
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,975
I nearly, nearly, nearly
said something. OK.
496
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,415
Why would you not want to have free
and independent legal advice...?
497
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,815
I don't need it, sir.
498
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,255
I know that sounds cocky, arrogant.
499
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,015
I know what I'm going to say and
no-one's going to change my mind,
500
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,015
SO...
501
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,495
Is anyone affected
by you being here?
502
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,855
Do you need to be looking after
a child or a sick relative?
503
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,215
My son. I'm meant to be picking
him up at three o'clock.
504
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,895
So, what will happen if you don't
pick him up? Is it from school?
505
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,135
Yeah, yeah. So, do you need to let
someone know?
506
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,415
Yeah, yeah, if possible. Great. OK.
507
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,455
You all right?
508
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,055
DANIEL EXHALES
509
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,375
It's the first time I'm seeing him
in, like, six weeks.
510
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,855
Today was? Yeah. OK.
511
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,215
I have two things in my life.
512
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,495
That's my son and that's myself.
That's it.
513
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,695
I decided to disown my mum...
514
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,655
But now I'm not, it's her loss.
515
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,055
|t's...it is her loss.
516
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,975
But I'll never be that kind
of parent.
517
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,015
I won't, and that's that.
518
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,015
That's that. just cos you lose
someone in your life, don't let it
519
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,455
affect you, cos it's not worth it.
520
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,095
Yeah.
521
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,495
The amount of life I've lived
at such a young age...
522
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,375
But, like, I'm adamant I'm going
to die by, like, 40.
523
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,895
I don't want to be old.
It scares me, being old.
524
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,815
It's a difficult one, to call it,
but I think he's going to
525
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,735
own up to something... OK.
526
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,615
...perhaps not everything,
but he will... Interesting.
527
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,975
...admit certain things.
It's going to throw me,
528
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,015
if he does that, I think. Um...
Roll with it.
529
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,655
No, it's fine. Roll with it.
530
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,815
Yeah, but let's go interview him.
Yep. I'm nearly there.
531
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,215
I keep getting distracted.
532
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,575
My head hurts.
533
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,735
You did an amazing job.
Did anybody tell you that?
534
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,335
Thanks. Honestly, I mean it.
535
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,135
I feel like I'm like a little duck
with the feet underwater.
536
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,455
Hello.
537
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,815
I'm here for interview
for Daniel Dugdale, please.
538
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,495
In here. Daniel, that's your chair,
mate.
539
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,495
Are you coming in?
Yes. Yes, absolutely.
540
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,775
I'll just get you a drink
and then we'll get rolling.
541
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,255
OK. So, obviously, you've had
a brief explanation
542
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,095
at the custody desk of the of fences
that you...that have been alleged,
543
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,895
but I'm just going to go
into it in a bit more detail.
544
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,735
Um, so, I've obviously got
a statement from Megan.
545
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,415
She's outlined some of the messages
that she's received
546
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,455
through Facebook, and I just want to
read out some of them to you
547
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,815
and you tell me whether that was
you... Yeah, OK.
548
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,615
...or not that said that.
OK, so, we've got,
549
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,215
"Don't crash on your way home.
I will run you off the road."
550
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,575
What? With my legs?
Cos I don't drive.
551
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,895
OK, so, that one wasn't you?
Sorry, that was really quite... No.
552
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,095
No? OK.
553
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,335
"Can I kill you?" No. Why?
554
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,255
All right. "Your kids would be
better off without you." No.
555
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,735
Um, "I won't rape you.
You'll be begging for it."
556
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,335
No, we fucking spoke about it,
557
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,255
and the fact she listed that pisses
me off. I wouldn't ever do that.
558
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,575
All right.
"You've hurt me for the last time."
559
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,455
No, because I've had messages
as well, and I'm not messaging
560
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,815
myself doing this.
That's what I mean.
561
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,215
OK. Um, pornographic pictures,
including bestiality? No.
562
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,815
Do you understand what
bestiality...? Yes. Yeah? Yeah. OK.
563
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,175
I googled it cos she sent...she
sent me the pictures... Right.
564
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,135
...and videos and links, so I'll
click on it, which is great,
565
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,895
I'm there for her, but it's going
to look bad that I've searched
566
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,215
for this now, right? Right.
I see what you're saying.
567
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,815
OK. So, she's had voice notes
as well where a voice-changer
568
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,695
has been used. Now, these were sent
through Facebook Messenger.
569
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,295
No. But did she tell you that I
messaged her and I found out the...
570
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,695
...the app what they was using?
571
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,295
No. There you go.
572
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,015
What app was that? I can't remember
without my phone. No?
573
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,975
No. She's done me dirty, yeah.
So, like stuff like this, yeah,
574
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,295
I've typed it in and gone
through the voice notes
575
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,095
and, "Megan, it's that one there,"
576
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,055
but now I'm realising
that that looks
577
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,855
really fucking bad, doesn't it?
So, have you ever sent her
578
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,135
any messages with
the voice-changing...? No, no.
579
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,655
Um, I've asked you about Facebook.
580
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,295
Have you ever sent anything
via Snapchat to Megan?
581
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,615
No. No?
582
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,935
Have you ever made an account
pretending to be Megan...
583
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,815
No. ..on Snapchat? No.
584
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:02,375
So, on Daniel's device,
he has 121,000 messages total.
585
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,535
And over 80,000 of those are either
to or from Megan.
586
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,455
Megan's contact is four times
the amount of any other person
587
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,135
on his device.
588
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,015
OK. I'm just going to do a quick
keyword search just for "Megan".
589
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,815
Yep.
590
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,055
So, can you get into Facebook?
591
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,015
On its own, the no caller ID calls
could be circumstantial.
592
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,935
They are ex-partners,
593
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,455
they've quite recently split up,
so it's important that we find
594
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,095
some more evidence on that phone,
if it is Daniel, and obviously
595
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,455
if there's nothing else at all
on there, I might have to question
596
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,695
whether it is him
or whether it is someone else.
597
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,695
I can already see that there's
a number of notes
598
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,015
that have been marked for deletion,
currently in the trash.
599
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,575
Wow. OK.
600
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,255
One of which says,
"I've killed my kids.
601
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,495
"I need your help.
602
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,415
"I have weapons in the house.
603
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,735
"They are not breathing.
604
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,935
"I have buried them,
one in a dog-walking trail."
605
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,655
Excellent. Fab.
606
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,375
Thanks for that. Thank you. Bye.
607
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,095
This is on his phone and his notes
from 12th February.
608
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,455
It's Megan's details and it says,
"I've killed my kids.
609
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,815
"I need your help.
I have weapons in the house.
610
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,335
"They're not breathing. I've buried
them on a dog walking trail,"
611
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,575
which is pretty much exactly
what got sent to 101 web chat.
612
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,615
This is fantastic.
That's a deleted note, apparently.
613
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,895
Oh, deleted note? Yeah.
614
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,175
The plot thickens.
615
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,815
Mm.
616
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,135
Is it pure orange juice
or orange squash? Squash.
617
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,975
That's even better. Are you sure?
Yeah, definitely. OK.
618
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,615
Sorry. OK. So, it's an ongoing
right, your legal advice.
619
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,655
So, at any time in this interview,
you change your mind,
620
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,175
just let us know. We can stop
the interview and we can get you
621
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,055
a solicitor. OK? Yeah.
622
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,335
Um, OK.
623
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,855
So, we have had a quick look
at your phone from, like,
624
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,415
a cursory look.
625
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,855
So, the web chats, on one
of the clays someone purporting
626
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,495
to be Megan is on the 101 web chat
for Cambridgeshire Police
627
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,935
and there was also a deleted note
on your phone.
628
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,695
It says, um,
"I've killed my kids...
629
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:41,335
"I need your help...
630
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,615
"I have weapons in the house...
631
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,495
"They are not breathing...
632
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,895
"I have buried them,
one a dog-walking trail."
633
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,695
Ancl that is literally word for word
what...
634
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:55,135
...the report that was received...
What? ..by web chat. On my phone?
635
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,415
On my phone? Yeah.
636
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,135
Whereabouts on my phone?
In your deleted notes.
637
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,735
Can I see this message?
638
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,975
Sorry.
639
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,615
It's all right. I'm trying to be
very honest with you and just...
640
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,855
Essentially, that's the deleted
note there.
641
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,415
I'm adamant it weren't me.
But I might have lied to you.
642
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,015
There you go. It was me.
643
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,695
I've got... I've got no way
of explaining that it wasn't. OK.
644
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,695
HE CLEARS HIS THROAT
645
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,735
Before I say anything, I just
want to apologise to Megan
646
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,055
because it's not all been me.
647
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,415
OK. But...
648
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,455
I don't know if
you've ever been in...
649
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,015
I don't know if you've ever
been in love with someone.
650
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,935
It's... It's hard.
651
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,175
I've never met someone...
652
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,415
...and I don't mean this, like,
fucking cringey or... I've never met
653
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,695
someone so perfect.
654
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,615
And...
655
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,055
And looking back at... Fuck off!
And looking back at it...
656
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,255
...she made me lose everything.
657
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,535
And it hurt.
658
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,695
OK.
659
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,135
Um, have you ever...
660
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,455
With the Facebook accounts,
have you ever used them
661
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,015
to send death threats to Megan?
662
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,735
A few times. A few times. OK.
663
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,055
Do you remember what
you said? No, no.
664
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,935
Just one of them, I'd say it,
665
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,935
and I'd literally...
666
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,255
It's like I had two different
people inside me at one point.
667
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,615
One was making the fake profiles,
then the one who'd be speaking
668
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,535
to Megan, like, love,
669
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,055
like, we'll get
through this together,
670
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,695
like, we'll find out who it is.
671
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,655
And then it was me.
672
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,855
I've said some horrible
stuff to her,
673
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,735
to be honest, I've said some
real, real horrible stuff.
674
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,335
In a way, I was trying
to protect her.
675
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,975
No, I was trying to hurt her,
then...
676
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,335
No, I was trying to hurt her
677
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,015
so she needed me.
678
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,295
But not... No, not like...
679
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,695
Like, I don't know.
680
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:54,495
In my head, I was like, oh,
if she keeps getting these horrible
681
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,775
messages and I drop a bit more...
682
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,735
It's embarrassing.
683
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,695
If I drop a few more personal
details, it's going to scare her
684
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,055
a little bit more,
then she's going to need me
685
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,015
a little bit more.
686
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,135
But, like, what do you say?
The whole...
687
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,935
Soc... That wasn't me.
688
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,455
The social services? It wasn't me.
689
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,295
OK. I love her kids
like I love my own son.
690
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,135
Like, that wasn't me. All right.
691
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,175
And I've made mistakes,
692
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,615
clearly, haven't I?
693
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,855
And I just want her to know
that I am really sorry.
694
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,095
I wish I'd told her sooner.
695
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,935
Do you want anything,
like a drink or...?
696
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,895
Yeah. A drink would be nice. Yeah?
697
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,695
What, an orange squash
again or a hot drink?
698
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,695
No. just a water. Water? Yeah.
699
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,055
All right, I'll sort
that out for you. OK.
700
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,055
See you in a bit. Yeah. Cool.
701
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,295
I need a drink.
702
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,775
Like a water drink.
703
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,175
Not a drink-drink,
but also a drink-drink!
704
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,855
I think you need vodka, all right!
705
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,735
So I guess you called it,
then, coughed a bit of it
706
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,095
and then denied the rest.
707
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,895
He did not accept entirely
all of the blame, but he would not
708
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,855
have it that he was sending
the message to himself.
709
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,615
I think you'll be able to
probably get the evidence
710
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,815
that he did it somehow.
It'll be on there somewhere,
711
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,735
I think. We've only scratched
the surface of that phone download,
712
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,335
so... She will...
713
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,855
I guess she will want
the restraining order.
714
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,415
Yeah, I'll look at a stalking
protection order as well.
715
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,655
Cool. Good job. Thank you.
716
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,855
Well clone, Emily.
717
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,895
I know it was a marathon interview,
really.
718
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,295
Thanks. I'm knackered.
719
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,335
Love breaks, like, so quickly.
720
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,135
That is the initial of the girl
who's got me in trouble.
721
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,895
Thanks, love!
722
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,415
One thing I do believe in,
723
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,855
the worst drug you can do is love,
724
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,375
and everyone wants a bit of love.
725
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,695
It will... It will ruin you.
726
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,375
It will ruin you, no matter what.
727
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,575
Love is shit. Women are shit.
728
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,095
Stay single, 9W5-
729
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,175
Stay single.
730
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,295
I know it sounds bad.
731
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,655
Love less and stay single.
732
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,335
The officers have asked me to put
a few conditions in place whilst
733
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,295
you are on bail. Yeah,
that's fair enough. Yeah.
734
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,775
So number one is not to contact
or interfere with,
735
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,175
directly or indirectly,
any prosecution witnesses.
736
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,855
It needs to be really strongly
justifiable to remand someone
737
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,775
and take their liberty away
from them.
738
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,455
Daniel's made threats of violence.
739
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,415
He's made death threats.
He's made rape threats.
740
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,255
But these threats
haven't been acted on.
741
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,135
So the decision was made to bail.
742
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,495
This is your property
that you're getting back.
743
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,655
Have you got my phone
in there as well?
744
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,335
We'll be keeping your phone
for the duration
745
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,695
of the investigation.
I need my phone.
746
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,055
I understand, but we're
going to keep it seized,
747
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,335
I'm afraid. We need
it for evidential.
748
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,175
So, what, can I get a new phone?
749
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,335
Uh, yeah.
750
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,055
No reason why you can't get
a new phone.
751
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,695
I think this is where stalking
falls between the cracks
752
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,495
a little bit,
because he is still out there,
753
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,655
and if he's really intending causing
the victim serious harm,
754
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,975
then he can still go and do that.
755
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,855
Ancl by the time the police
are aware, it could be too late.
756
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,495
He was quite jovial in that
interview, wasn't he? Yeah.
757
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,255
He comes across as sort of a bit
like a helpless child, almost.
758
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,655
He played the victim quite well.
759
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,815
I don't think it's going to stop.
760
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,695
No.
761
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,015
Stalking is an addiction.
762
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,975
When somebody is arrested
for stalking,
763
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,695
you are disrupting their lifestyle.
764
00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:00,295
So the risk of the stalker
becoming aggressive is higher
765
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,415
there because they're not
getting their fix.
766
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,855
NARRATOR: Awaiting a
final charging decision,
767
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,255
officers attend a national stalking
convention held by a family whose
768
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,975
daughter was murdered
by her stalker.
769
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,535
It's been seven years since
we lost Alice.
770
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,815
5% - no more than 5% -
of stalking cases
771
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,815
reported to the police resulted
772
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,775
in a charge by the CPS.
773
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,895
5“/.
774
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,615
So there's a long, long way to go.
775
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,695
The CPS will default a lot of the
time to harassment charge instead
776
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,055
of stalking charge.
777
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,855
In a way, it is an easier
conviction to get.
778
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,455
And that's not fair on the victim.
779
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,855
I think that is really diluting
what has been happening.
780
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,335
Stalking leads to PTSD
in 78% of victims.
781
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,375
Ancl so it goes on.
782
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,455
Four out of five stalkers,
they will continue their behaviour.
783
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,695
No legal intervention is going
to be enough, so the risks
784
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:05,735
to the victim remain high
until the perpetrator is apprehended
785
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,175
and, potentially, you know,
imprisoned for what they're doing.
786
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,215
Those barricades are in
the summer house all the time.
787
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,615
Doors locked, windows locked.
788
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,295
You honestly feel
like you're losing your mind.
789
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,015
So I ended up, like, lashing out
at everyone and shut myself off,
790
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,495
pretty much.
791
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,855
Ancl I think when, you know,
it was found out that it was Dan,
792
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,215
I was, like, it made sense
the whole time that it was him.
793
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,215
I just tried to kind of give him
the benefit of the doubt
794
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,455
and be, like, I don't know
why he would do that.
795
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,415
Ancl then I was really mad
that he'd clone it.
796
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,295
After Christmas, I started
decorating my bedroom, just to try
797
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,095
and take my mind off things,
you know?
798
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,735
Ancl there was just
writing everywhere.
799
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,215
I wanted nothing to do with him.
800
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:04,535
Ancl yet I was having to see
his handwriting on these, you know,
801
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,495
love notes on the wall and stuff.
802
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,535
Yeah, it's made me
feel really uncomfortable.
803
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,615
I'm a very confident, outgoing
person, just looking
804
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,535
for a connection, I guess.
805
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,495
Just a connection with people.
806
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,655
Life is there to test you.
807
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,015
Only the strong survive,
808
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,615
you know? So clearly...
809
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,775
...if there's a higher power,
they can see that I'm strong enough
810
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,855
to go through it.
811
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,695
That's why they've given
it to me and not other people.
812
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,535
And I'm here willing to take it.
813
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,735
Journey;
814
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,135
I will get through this, like,
nothing's going to stop me
815
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,495
from getting where I want.
My next thing...
816
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,215
"girlfriend will be my last.
817
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,375
Yep. He's here at
the enquiry office.
818
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,375
I've had several careers
before this.
819
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,455
I've had jobs in pensions,
insurance.
820
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,735
I worked in a hotel.
821
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,495
I've worked in shops.
822
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,295
I'd get bored and normally
swap every, like, two years.
823
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,815
Hello. You all right?
824
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,415
I just need to take
you through to the desk.
825
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,895
Ancl then I came to work
for the police.
826
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,695
So you're going to be charged
with three of fences.
827
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,535
My colleague is going to
read them out to you.
828
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,775
This is what you join the job for,
829
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,815
to have an investigation
where you don't know who's doing it.
830
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,655
And you've got to get
one step ahead of them
831
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,335
and then you catch them.
832
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,175
So, contrary to section
4A and 5 of the Protection
833
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,575
from Harassment Act 1997, pursued
a course of conduct, namely, made
834
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,175
threats which amounted to stalking,
causing Megan serious alarm
835
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,735
or distress, which
had a substantial...
836
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,615
It's a big investigation to tackle
as a fairly new detective.
837
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,815
But I feel a lot more content
that I'm actually doing something
838
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,975
with a purpose.
839
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,415
You know, I really helped them sort
out a problem, and that's nice.
840
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,655
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