1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,880 I've taken on a missing person case. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:08,200 Margot Bamborough, missing since 1974. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,640 You thought she was seeing someone else? 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,880 I met other men whose women had gone missing and it destroyed them. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,400 What did your dad think happened to Margot Bamborough? 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,560 He thought, on balance, it was probably Creed. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,160 ON VIDEO: We found parts of his victims in the sink, in the bath, 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,760 in the fridge. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Most people do think Dennis Creed killed Margot. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,400 Oh, Mr Strike? I have proof of who killed Margot Bamborough. 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:32,880 I have a written confession. 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,240 # You and me 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,200 # Me and you 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,640 # Somehow we made it through 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,200 # I may be gone 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,560 # I may be far away 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,040 # But I walk beside you 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,160 # Every step of the way 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,840 # When you're used 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,800 # Bruised 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,800 # Black and blued 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,360 # Don't think about it 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,320 # Never doubt it 24 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:19,360 # I'll walk beside you. # 25 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:28,280 When Louise was born, she became my whole world. 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,480 I loved raising that little girl. 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,480 She was so spirited, you know? 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,440 Couldn't wait to grow up. 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,400 When all her friends started walking home, 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,600 I thought, "Come on, Brian, let her go a bit." 31 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,400 I thought I'd taught her how to be safe. 32 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,240 But you can't really imagine a man like Dennis Creed. 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,600 Oh, but I know all about him now. 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,080 I know he killed my Lou, 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,120 and I got proof he killed Margot Bamborough. 36 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,200 There's a good chance he killed Kara Wolfson, as well. 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,080 We believe Kara Wolfson was probably killed by a gangster. 38 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,560 Keep that to yourself. 39 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,720 We're hoping the police will investigate. 40 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,800 Poor old Terry. 41 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,880 He went to his grave not knowing where his sister was. 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,760 That's what I'm afraid of. 43 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,000 Once I'm gone, who's going to find my girl? 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,520 Normal people don't understand what it means to get a body back. 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,640 I'm sorry. 46 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:42,240 That's very hard. 47 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,920 Well, it's frustrating because I could tell the police 48 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:48,720 a dozen places they should dig, but... 49 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,520 ..it's a lot of money, Creed's in Broadmoor, 50 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,520 so what's the value to them, eh? 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,680 Could you show us what you've got in terms of Margot? 52 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,000 Oh, yeah. 53 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:07,760 You can't use this till you're sure you've got a case. 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,720 That's because how I got hold of it. 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,120 I'd get my mate into trouble. 56 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,440 Thank you. 57 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,800 After Creed was banged up in Wakefield, 58 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,520 I used to go up there on the weekends. 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,600 I got friendly with the guards, you know, drinking down the local. 60 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,080 They hated Creed. 61 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,040 But one of them nicked this out of his cell and gave it to me. 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,080 "She tells me I need treatment. 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,840 "Her strategy is laughably transparent. 64 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,880 "I have her chained, I am whipping her, 65 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,840 "but she still believes her medical training makes her superior. 66 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,720 "Her true education has only just begun." 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,800 Does he name Margot? No, no, no, no. 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,680 But he was writing his memoirs. 69 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,560 Has Creed ever spoken about Margot? 70 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,600 That's not how he works. 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,200 He never helps. 72 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,400 The thing he likes is games. 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,000 Yeah, games. 74 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,360 I'll show you what I mean. 75 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,480 You'll have to come up to Lou's room. 76 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,480 This is where I do my studying. 77 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,160 It feels like Lou's with me, you know? 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,760 Erm, in the 1980s, 79 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,680 they let me write to him, and that's what he wrote back. 80 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,400 "Your letter reached me a week ago. 81 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,440 "Ordinarily, I would not be permitted..." 82 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,160 It's a long letter. Let me save you the trouble. 83 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,800 Have a look at the first letter of each sentence. 84 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,520 Y. O. U. R... 85 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,960 Your. 86 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,120 The whole thing spells, 87 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,640 "Your daughter cried for her mummy before she died." 88 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Now, he never signed his letters, "Ever yours, Dennis", 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,840 not to anyone else. 90 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:06,160 He did it because he needed the E-D of "ever" and "Dennis" 91 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,640 to finish the word "died". 92 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,880 Did you show this to the police? No, no. 93 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,160 He knew I wouldn't because then they'd stop him writing 94 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,040 and there's even less chance for me to get something from him. 95 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,240 Now, Creed, he won't talk to me. 96 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,600 I'm just something he plays with. 97 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,080 But, you, ah, now you're famous. 98 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,360 He might just talk to you. 99 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,880 I'm sorry for everything you've gone through, but... 100 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Listen, I'm still going through. 101 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,480 He'd see you as a challenge. 102 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,240 You're something he can boast about. 103 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,200 Our client won't want us to take that kind of risk. 104 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,560 She asked for a very discreet investigation. 105 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,480 If Creed told the papers he's meeting us... I'll pay you, then! 106 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,360 Look, I'll sell some stuff. 107 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,040 Let me be the client. 108 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,080 You don't understand. 109 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,880 I mean, I was Lou's dad and I couldn't take care of her, 110 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,120 couldn't keep her safe. 111 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,080 I mean, she's in my head first thing when I wake up every day. 112 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,760 And bringing her home's the last thing I can do for her. 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,720 I need your help. That's... 114 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,000 I'm sorry, I need your help. 115 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,600 We will try our best to help you find your daughter. 116 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,440 Send me your fees. I'll pay. 117 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,800 No, no. It's OK. No charge. 118 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,520 I'll do all the work. I'll do it in my spare time. 119 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,240 It's not like I've got a life. 120 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,920 You won't even have to hear about it. 121 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,160 HE SIGHS 122 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,000 He tried to help us find Margot. 123 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,160 That bit of writing isn't even close to being a confession. 124 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,920 Reads like a fantasy. 125 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,440 OK, but if he is right about Creed, 126 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,920 then Creed is our only chance of finding Margot. 127 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,480 Creed doesn't help people. 128 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,680 So Brian Tucker spent half a century working on his daughter's case. 129 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,040 How long are you going to give it? 130 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Until I solve it. 131 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,920 I think... 132 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,080 ..even if he dies, at least he knows someone's still trying 133 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,360 to find his daughter. 134 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,440 I think that's worth something, don't you? 135 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,320 Yeah, I do. 136 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,400 I know Kara Wolfson probably won't get justice 137 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,760 and I know we probably won't find Margot, 138 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,080 but I can't let them all go. 139 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,600 I just can't. 140 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,560 I think I need a pint. 141 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,240 What is that? 142 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,920 Pat made it. 143 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,960 She saw the pictures on my wall, 144 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,480 thought I might like a portable version. Oh. 145 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,200 You like her, don't you? 146 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,960 In terms of people we haven't spoken to who are still alive, 147 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,160 at least as far as we know, there's Steve Douthwaite. 148 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,280 Last seen, working at Baxton's, Canvey Island. 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,880 There's no trace of him. 150 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,160 I've searched every record I can think of. 151 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,360 I've searched for Steve Jacks, as well. There's nothing. 152 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,760 Satchwell's still ignoring our calls. 153 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,640 His alibi's as solid as it gets, though. 154 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,200 I think Anna would appreciate it 155 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,040 if we could rule out him and Margot having an affair. 156 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,160 I think we might need to change our approach with him. 157 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,000 And Dennis Creed, we should at least go over the evidence again. 158 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,560 There are still questions. 159 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:56,920 SHE LAUGHS 160 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,080 Uh-huh. 161 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,520 PHONE RINGS 162 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,440 I'd better take this. 163 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,200 Hi, Lucy. 164 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,800 When can you come down? Why, has something happened? 165 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,600 Just try and come this weekend, 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,280 and can you post any photos you found for the album? 167 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,760 I don't think it can wait until Christmas. 168 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Can you do it today? 169 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,360 I'm on it. Bye. 170 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,160 I need to take care of something I said I'd sort for Joan. 171 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,960 I'll make a start on Creed. 172 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,280 LAPTOP CHIMES 173 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,680 LAPTOP: I'm Johnny Rokeby and this is your invitation to celebrate... 174 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,560 You ran a shop in Clerkenwell in the 1970s. 175 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:02,920 Your logo was a big sunfl... 176 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,160 A sunflower, yes. 177 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,920 I just wondered, did you have a delivery van? 178 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,160 Yeah, we did. 179 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,160 We had a full-time driver and all. 180 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,640 No phones in here, please. 181 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,960 Have you a cigarette? I'm out. 182 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,040 I'm having a curry delivered. 183 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Do you want a curry? 184 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,880 I can't do all them chillies. Wrecks my guts. 185 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,840 This place does other things as well. 186 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,360 Do you like chicken? 187 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,040 I'll get you some chicken. 188 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,040 Morning. Morning. 189 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,800 Afternoon. 190 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,840 I've rung the council. 191 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,880 There were poppadoms on our doorstep this morning 192 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,920 and what looked like chicken tikka masala. 193 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,080 Disgusting. 194 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,040 Robin here yet? 195 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,560 She's been in then she went out again. 196 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Sam, I need you to be an obnoxious arsehole. 197 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,840 What do you reckon? 198 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,200 HE EXHALES I'll have to dig deep. 199 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,080 Paul Satchwell lives on Kos. 200 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,400 Call his gallery, his local bars, supermarkets, 201 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,920 anywhere that might know him. 202 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,920 Friends, neighbours. 203 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,400 Leave messages that are going to annoy him. 204 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,080 Make sure you leave our number for him. Got it. 205 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,760 It's just so nice to see you again. 206 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Sorry to ask a favour, but I know you've got friends in high places. 207 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,680 Well, one or two. 208 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:51,840 They're a ruthless bunch, really. 209 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,640 My stock's not what it was, but if I can help, I will. 210 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:55,880 What is it? 211 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,760 I need to get permission to talk to a prisoner in Broadmoor. 212 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,200 Dennis Creed. 213 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,920 Ooh. Very nasty. 214 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,480 What's it about? 215 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,840 The family of one of his alleged victims is our client. 216 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,120 That's probably all we should tell him. 217 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,440 He's been linked to a number of missing women. 218 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,360 OK. 219 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,680 I think I might know who to flatter and cajole at the MoJ. 220 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:21,840 Great. 221 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,240 Any Christmas plans? 222 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,800 Going home, up to Masham in Yorkshire. 223 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,360 How about you? 224 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,400 I'll stay with my sister and... 225 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,640 I don't think I can see my brother just yet. 226 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,280 Not quite ready. 227 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,600 If you'd like to get a drink in the new year, I'd love to catch up. 228 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,960 I'd like that very much, Venetia. 229 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,640 ROBIN LAUGHS 230 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,680 PHONE RINGS 231 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,080 Hello. 232 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,520 Hi. This is Beth Spencer returning your call. 233 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,040 Sorry...? 234 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,920 I'm a social worker. 235 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,800 I work with Delia and Samhain Athorn. 236 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,040 Yeah. Um... 237 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,560 Samhain said you told him 238 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:16,080 Margot Bamborough was killed by a local gangster called Nico Ricci. 239 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,200 Um... Can I ask you, 240 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,000 did he bring up his dad killing people with magic? 241 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,720 Yeah, we heard something like that. 242 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,080 Ah, well, that's why I did it. 243 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,240 Their neighbours already think they're odd. 244 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,680 We don't need people thinking they're dangerous. 245 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,920 I actually got the name from Samhain. 246 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,880 He's obsessed with local gangsters 247 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,080 and seeing as he struggles with names, 248 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,680 I thought I'd use the one he knew. 249 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,680 It's just good to clear that up. 250 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,400 Have you been working with them long? 251 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Only a few years. 252 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Anything else? 253 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,960 Uh, thank you. 254 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,280 OK. Bye. 255 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,000 You've been busy. 256 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Yeah. Trying to clock off early so I can start cooking. 257 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,720 Well, if you've got any leftovers... 258 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,040 I'm cooking for you. 259 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,440 Eh? 260 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,760 Max's dinner party. Yeah... 261 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,920 My brother's coming too. 262 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,440 Right. Really looking forward to it. 263 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,680 The phone box is on the junction with Albemarle Way. 264 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,120 The van was seen... Oh, yeah. ..near the green. 265 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,400 I found out some stuff about the van. 266 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,480 There was a wholefoods store that used a delivery van. 267 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,000 I spoke to the driver. 268 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,720 He admitted he WAS speeding in the area at the time 269 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,040 and he didn't come forward because basically he didn't want 270 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,920 to get embroiled in a police inquiry. 271 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,600 The van wasn't Creed. 272 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,040 I don't think the struggle near the phone box adds up. 273 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Creed went for women who were drunk or vulnerable. 274 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,400 He'd fool them into drinking something he'd spiked. 275 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,720 Margot was sober, in a rush to meet her friend. 276 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,000 I don't see why she'd have stopped to talk to him. 277 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Well, we know that wasn't Margot. 278 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,040 The two women came forward and they said it was them 279 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,440 the witness saw. 280 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,040 Do we have the interview Simon Layborn did with that witness? 281 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,520 Yes, it is just... 282 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,200 Oh. 283 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,600 Tell Mr Satchwell that I can't post his sex toys 284 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,120 until he confirms his size, OK, sweetheart? 285 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,640 Thank you. 286 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,840 That was the gallery he sells his paintings at. 287 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Are you all right with making a living doing that? 288 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,760 I'm delighted, Pat. 289 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,360 I think I've found my calling. 290 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,920 Interview with witness Ruby Elliot, conducted on 7th May 1975. 291 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,080 I was looking for my son's new house. 292 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,360 I'd gone around the same streets at least twice, 293 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,000 trying to read a map, people honking if you stop. 294 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,800 Everyone is so angry in London. 295 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,640 You're not wrong about that! Anyway, I pull over... 296 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,880 ..and I see two women ahead of me near a phone box. 297 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,360 It looks like they're... not having a fight, 298 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,080 but it's definitely something. 299 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,160 I think the short one was trying to make the other one walk faster, 300 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,360 but there was a bit of shoving, maybe. 301 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,600 And what did you make of it? 302 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,160 Well, I thought maybe one of them had had too much to drink. 303 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,440 I didn't think about it all that much at the time. 304 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,280 Did you get a good look at them? 305 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,360 The tall one had a raincoat on 306 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:13,080 and the short one had a plastic rain hood over their head. 307 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,680 I'm afraid I didn't see their faces. 308 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,720 I gather when you spoke to Detective Inspector Talbot, 309 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,760 he thought one of them might have been a man? 310 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,160 I felt like he wanted me to say that, but, I mean, I don't know. 311 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,120 I can't be sure. 312 00:17:28,120 --> 00:17:31,200 Do we have that article about the women who said it was them? 313 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,480 One second. 314 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,880 Here we go. 315 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,880 Fiona Fleury. 316 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,720 "I do take issue with the paper saying I was rough with my mother. 317 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,160 "I was only encouraging her to walk faster 318 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,800 "because it was raining so much, 319 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,120 "but it was definitely us the witness saw. 320 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,760 "I was wearing a rain cap exactly as described." 321 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,800 It's the wrong way round. 322 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,440 Fiona's at least a foot taller. 323 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,200 It's her in the rain cap, her mother's in the raincoat. 324 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,840 And Ruby Elliot said it was the short one supporting the tall one. 325 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,720 What height is Dennis Creed? 326 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,120 Shorter than Margot. 327 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,040 So Talbot could have been right? 328 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,680 That could have been Margot. 329 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,760 And the short one really could have been Creed wearing a disguise. 330 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,360 It's possible, but I'm not convinced. 331 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:19,720 PHONE RINGS 332 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:20,960 Yep? 333 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,000 PAT: I've got Paul Satchwell for you. 334 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,240 Put him through. 335 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,520 You little shit! 336 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,000 I've had friends calling me in tears, asking me why 337 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000 I want to paint pictures of their arseholes! 338 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,800 What you're doing is illegal! 339 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,920 Illegal is slapping Margot Bamborough 340 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,320 when she asked for her photos back. 341 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,920 All I want from you is straight answers, 342 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,440 and if I don't get them, I think you have a fair idea 343 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,760 of how it's going to go. 344 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,560 All right. What do you want to know? 345 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,200 PHONE RINGS 346 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,120 Hello? Hello, Cormoran. 347 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:07,440 It's Johnny, your father. 348 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,760 I just want to have a chat. Is that all right? 349 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,360 Are you there? 350 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:14,720 Yeah. I'm listening. 351 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,760 I'm told that you've opened the invitation to my party. 352 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,480 That's great. I'd love you to come. 353 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,000 I'm busy. 354 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,080 Well... 355 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,160 What I really want to say is I am proud of you. 356 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,600 Do you understand? Al says you're still angry, 357 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,240 but there's two sides to every story, right? 358 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,680 Now's not a good time to talk. 359 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,440 Well, I've got prostate cancer. 360 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,920 There might not always be time. 361 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,400 I can live with that. 362 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,960 Don't call again. But Corm... 363 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,120 I don't see how anyone can justify being a soldier 364 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:29,680 under our last few governments. 365 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,640 Do you think women should have the right to drive a car? 366 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,320 Well, that's a stupid question. 367 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,040 Taliban don't think it's stupid. For them, it's a no. 368 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,120 And we tried to fix that with a war, didn't we? 369 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,720 So remind me who's running Afghanistan now? 370 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,960 So in your perfect world, how does it go? 371 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,560 We keep the A-10s in hangars and send in Derrida? 372 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,520 Go on, Jacques! Fuck them up with your critique of Western thought. 373 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,720 I get it. 374 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,240 You're an anti-intellectual. 375 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,960 Oh, you could answer the question. Shall we have pudding? 376 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,600 Courtney, could you give me a hand? 377 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,240 Courtney doesn't carry plates. She theorises them. 378 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,960 Ridiculing women isn't the good look that you think it is. 379 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,120 She's smart. 380 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:08,160 She got a distinction for her dissertation. 381 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,960 Anyway, Cormoran, Max really wants to hear about Army life. 382 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,600 Yeah, well, first, I need to hear about Courtney's dissertation. 383 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,480 This is perfect! Front seats in a combat zone. 384 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,840 Well, in simple terms... Appreciated. 385 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,800 ..I argued that work is work, 386 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,600 bodily autonomy is paramount, 387 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,280 media are permeable, 388 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,040 and desire isn't exclusively a masculine domain. 389 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,120 So you study porn? 390 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,960 If you want to put it like that. 391 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,480 But happy porn, though, 392 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,840 not the trafficked women, underage porn. Just... 393 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,800 Who wants cheesecake? 394 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,720 Ooh! Maybe you need to step outside of this Victorian mind-set. 395 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,280 One place I stepped into was a brothel in Kosovo 396 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,240 where they were filming 14-year-olds. 397 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,520 That's different. That's rape. Cormoran... 398 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,360 No, it's an industry that really agonises over those definitions. 399 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:56,560 Can we change the subject? 400 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,560 You're positioning yourself as the saviour and totally ignoring 401 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,800 the lived experience of... 402 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,520 My lived experience is dealing with human beings, 403 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,480 not writing 2,000 words on whether rape is a post-modern construct, 404 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,320 because, believe me, it fucking happens. 405 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,560 FRIDGE DOOR SLAMS 406 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,040 I'm so sorry. 407 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,120 I'm fine. 408 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,640 Robin... 409 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,920 Max, um... 410 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,280 The Army is... 411 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,280 It's fine. 412 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,200 Robin, I'm sorry. 413 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,160 And you two... 414 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,240 HE SNORTS 415 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,280 ..you're fucking idiots. 416 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,040 Night. 417 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,440 DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES 418 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,280 HE GROANS 419 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,160 Argh... 420 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,880 Urgh... 421 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Urgh... 422 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,120 Oh. 423 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,120 Oh, it's you. 424 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,440 Ignore that. I was drinking before I came out. 425 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,560 What? 426 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,440 What? 427 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,240 Fucking what?! 428 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,320 What?! 429 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,120 You arrive late, 430 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,680 because of course you do. 431 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,400 You arrive pissed because it's only my new flatmate and my family. 432 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,000 Fuck 'em! Robin'll mop it up. 433 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,520 Hang on a minute... 434 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,480 Then it's time to start talking about rape. 435 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,880 Only to make a point. I didn't mean... 436 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,480 Look, I'm sorry. 437 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,800 I said I'm sorry. 438 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,960 No. 439 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,160 No. It's not enough. 440 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,120 VOICEMAIL: Robin Ellacott. Leave a message. 441 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:52,920 SOFTLY: Dickhead. 442 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,960 Oh, hi, Lucy. 443 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,600 I'm making him some coffee. Would you like some? 444 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,160 Yeah, thank you. 445 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,200 HE GROANS 446 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,880 I assume you're going to Cornwall? 447 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,720 Yeah, Lucy's driving. 448 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,600 There's a big storm. No trains running. 449 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,080 Robin, I'm sorry. 450 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,320 I don't want to talk. I just want to get these files. 451 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,040 I might be away for a few days. That's fine. 452 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,400 Robin, I really am sorry about last night. 453 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,920 I just want to work. I need to concentrate. 454 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,520 I only remember half the evening. 455 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,560 Oh, you were great, Cormoran. 456 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,360 You put everyone at ease. You helped out with the washing up. 457 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,240 The perfect guest. Won't happen again. 458 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,720 No, it bloody well won't. 459 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,480 Coffee's made and you need to pack. 460 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,560 They've just closed the A30. 461 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,200 We need to leave soon. 462 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Is Joan...? 463 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,000 Yeah. 464 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,000 I don't know if I'll make it in time. Lucy wants to try. 465 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,840 I'm sorry, Cormoran. 466 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,480 It's a long way to go on a hangover. 467 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,200 And Lucy's a terrible driver. 468 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,520 I'd be all right with you. 469 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,800 I am really sorry. 470 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,720 I know you are. 471 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,880 Coffee. Drink it quickly. 472 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,840 There you go. 473 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,640 Ah, thank you. 474 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,120 The road's closed. You have to go back. 475 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,560 We need to get to St Mawes. 476 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,120 You need to get off the road. 477 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,040 There's trees coming down everywhere. 478 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,080 THUNDER RUMBLES Thanks, Officer. We'll turn around. 479 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,200 If we turn left at the end of that road, 480 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,560 we can try and get over the hill. 481 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,000 How far are we now? About 30 miles. 482 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,520 Turn around. We'll try and use farm tracks. 483 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,000 THUNDER RUMBLES 484 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,360 I'll make some calls. 485 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,520 I have got some good news. 486 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,280 I got an email this morning. Yeah? 487 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,480 Creed has agreed to let us interview him. 488 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,920 Robin! 489 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,000 My God, you beauty! 490 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760 I can tell you everything you need to ask him. 491 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560 I mean, no-one in the world knows more about him than me. 492 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Well, if you can start with any evidence 493 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,400 you have that Creed took Louise. 494 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,560 They, uh, gave me this after they were done with it. 495 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,760 They even told me, on balance, they reckon Creed killed Lou, 496 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,800 but there wasn't enough proof, 497 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,760 and they didn't need it to get him put away. 498 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,520 Cavalry's arrived. 499 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,600 Dave. Figured you'd get stuck here. 500 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,000 Hi, Dave. Right, Luce? Fit to walk? 501 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,360 I'll be fine. Let's get cracking. 502 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,600 You remember Nell? 503 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,960 Been a while, mate. 504 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,320 Welcome home, boy. 505 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,800 Ain't home yet. 506 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,480 Here you are. Put these on. 507 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,600 THUNDER RUMBLES 508 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,240 Ted! 509 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,240 I never thought you'd make it. 510 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,120 I thought you wouldn't get here. How is she? 511 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,800 She... She waited. 512 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,160 Thank you, Nell. You're welcome. 513 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,720 Let's go. 514 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,000 Dave... 515 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,560 Don't start. 516 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,800 Get inside or what the fuck was it all for? 517 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,320 SHE EXHALES 518 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,040 Hello. 519 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,920 Are you comfortable? 520 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,280 Can I get you anything? 521 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,600 Just sit. 522 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,280 Just sit... 523 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,560 Wish I'd met your Robin. 524 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,560 Does she look after you? 525 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,280 HE CHUCKLES 526 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,960 It's not like that these days. 527 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,600 I'm supposed to look after myself. 528 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,080 You've done enough of that. 529 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,400 Don't worry about me. 530 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,960 Oh... 531 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,800 You're a good man. 532 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,960 I'm so proud of you. 533 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,200 My lovely boy. 534 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,000 I love you, Joan. 535 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,760 HE GASPS 536 00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,840 Mmm. 537 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,920 Stick? 538 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,120 HE EXHALES 539 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,680 ROBIN: Dear Ted, Cormoran and Lucy. 540 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,200 I'm so sorry for your loss. 541 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600 I know how much she'll be missed. 542 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,080 I wish I'd met Joan, but I feel like I knew her. 543 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,760 She was there for Cormoran when he was growing up 544 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,720 and knowing the man he became, I'll always be grateful to her for that. 545 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,160 That's great news about Creed. 546 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,120 Creed'll only talk to you. 547 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,920 I know that's not something you agreed to... I'll do it. 548 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,480 Of course I'll do it. 549 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,800 When's the funeral? 550 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,640 Not till after Christmas. 551 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,560 So we're seeing Anna tomorrow. 552 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,760 Oh, I... I can't make the meeting. 553 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,840 I'm sorry. I tried to move this other thing... Robin, Robin. 554 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,680 ..and I can't. You've done more than enough. 555 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,280 It's fine. 556 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,240 How are you doing? 557 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,840 I'll talk to you tomorrow. 558 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,120 In terms of historic evidence, 559 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,240 we found the police made one serious error. 560 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,840 They discounted a statement by a witness who saw two people 561 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,880 struggling near a phone box. 562 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,800 I'm afraid it hasn't got us any further. 563 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,760 Everyone we've spoken to says 564 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,640 your mum would never have left you for Satchwell or anyone else. 565 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,240 Your mum told your dad she'd met Satchwell. 566 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,880 That's why he suggested the police check Satchwell's place. 567 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,080 There's no evidence of an affair. 568 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,160 I think she wanted a bit more attention from your dad. 569 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,400 I have to say, just knowing that he met up with those other men 570 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,760 who'd lost women... 571 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,720 It means he was trying to find her. 572 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,000 He tried. 573 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,680 I think we should keep going. Whatever it takes. 574 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,360 No. Hear me out. 575 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,160 Roy looked for her. 576 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,320 He only stopped when he realised he couldn't cope. 577 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920 Can I ask you about what your partner said 578 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,720 about wanting to continue? 579 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:45,800 I'm sorry. That wasn't appropriate. 580 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,800 It was real, though. 581 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,840 I felt like she really cared. 582 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,080 She does. We both do. 583 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,960 We're nearly at the limit of what we agreed we'd spend. 584 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,760 Bugger the money. 585 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,440 This is your happiness. 586 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,160 If it were you, if you were the client and it was your mother, 587 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,240 would you still keep looking? 588 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,000 If you decide that's what you want to do, we'd be happy to work 589 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,680 at a lower rate. We'd do it at cost. 590 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,640 It is what we want. 591 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,840 Thank you. 592 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,440 I love you. 593 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,360 I love you too. 594 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,360 Nobody I know can understand why 595 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,640 a one-year marriage is taking so long to sort out. 596 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,680 All I want back is the deposit my parents gave me for the house. 597 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,920 I've subsidised you. 598 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,160 Do you need me to walk away with nothing so that it looks 599 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,600 like it's all my fault? 600 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480 Because I can write to your friends and say that 601 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,000 if that's what you need. 602 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,720 Instead, we're both just sat here missing work. 603 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:03,000 Yeah, well, I doubt that makes that much difference to you. 604 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,040 Don't forget, I know what you earn. 605 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,080 Thanks for agreeing to talk to Creed. I'm all in. 606 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,440 You've got both of us until we find Louise. 607 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,040 Not that you need anyone else when you've got Robin. 608 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,440 A psychological profile done by an American in the '80s. 609 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,640 It's very good. 610 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,880 The gist of it is, Creed likes people to think he's clever. 611 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,920 So play on his vanity? 612 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,880 Oh, he'll expect you to be playing a game to get Margot's body back. 613 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,320 He'll enjoy it. 614 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,640 Was he interested in astrology or the occult? 615 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,920 Because the first detective who worked on the case... 616 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,800 I know all about Talbot. 617 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,200 Using star signs to solve the case, wasn't it? 618 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,560 Creed did like Aleister Crowley. They found his books in the flat. 619 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,800 And there's a few theories that 620 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,080 he chose certain nights to take women for satanic rituals. 621 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,160 Well, we'll look into that. 622 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,280 Try and get him talking about places they never dug. 623 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,920 I mean, spots they did check are marked in green. 624 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,320 That's Epping Forest. 625 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,160 The police were already there when Louise was taken, weren't they? 626 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,000 Oh, well done. Yeah. Yeah, he was running out of places by then. 627 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,360 What you want to do is get him talking about these other 12 spots. 628 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,920 His aunt's place near Great Church Wood, the Archer Hotel in Islington. 629 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,280 Now, he was a regular there. 630 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,600 Then there's the old granary building. That's another one. 631 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,440 Afternoon, your highness. 632 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,200 Just ducking in. These are for you. 633 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,560 How's it going with the dead doc? 634 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,240 Missing doctor. Whatever the client needs to believe. Am I right? 635 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:53,920 How's it going with Shifty? 636 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,280 Yeah, good. Nearly there, inches away. 637 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,560 You... You got any Christmas plans? 638 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,520 Going home to my mum and dad's. 639 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,520 Got your Christmas stockings ready? 640 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,680 Too old for all that. 641 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,240 DOOR OPENS 642 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,000 Mmm. I thought you thought that was junk. 643 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,840 You left it open. 644 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,880 Or did Baphomet do that? 645 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,920 SHE LAUGHS 646 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,280 To give Talbot his due, he was the first person to realise 647 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,160 there was a serial killer at work. 648 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,120 I still think... I mean... 649 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,120 "The killer is Capricorn." He at least had a theory. 650 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,880 Roy was his Capricorn. Yeah, but then he crosses out 651 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600 his whole list of star sign codes for his suspects. 652 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,680 I think he knew he'd got it wrong somehow. 653 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,720 "Schmidt explains everything." Let's get Schmidt in here. 654 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:49,000 Pat? 655 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,040 You got his tarot cards out. 656 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,320 My mum used to do it every day, 657 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,240 to help her make all her good decisions. 658 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,080 Go on, then. You obviously know how. 659 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,680 Pick one. 660 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,760 I'll, um... I'll pick you up at nine tomorrow. 661 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,640 It should take about two hours to get to Broadmoor with traffic. 662 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,320 Pat? I'm still here. 663 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,960 DOOR CLOSES 664 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,520 DOOR BUZZES 665 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,960 Thank you for this. 666 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,520 You're welcome. This way. 667 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,680 DOOR BUZZES 668 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,200 Hello, Cormoran. 669 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,280 Hello, Dennis. 670 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,360 Who are you working for today, then? 671 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,240 I suspect you'll work that out. 672 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:39,920 Sign of narcissism. 673 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,560 Withholding information to make yourself feel powerful. 674 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,800 I think you're working for Margot Bamborough's daughter. 675 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,080 She'd be about 51 now, wouldn't she? 676 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,080 Probably worth a few bob. 677 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,640 You don't come cheap with your reputation. 678 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,960 Or is it old Brian Tucker? 679 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,960 I can't see how he'd pay. 680 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,640 I'm confident he's still alive. 681 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,160 Why so confident? 682 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,080 Because somebody would have run a story in the papers when he dies. 683 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,480 "Father goes to grave not knowing." 684 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,320 The public seem to like that kind of story. 685 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,640 You could check online. 686 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,800 I never use the internet. 687 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040 Not allowed to in here. 688 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,480 They like to do things to frustrate me. 689 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,880 They stuff me full of drugs that I don't need, 690 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,360 feed me swill to ruin my body. 691 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,400 I should be in a prison, not here. They know that. 692 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,000 I could even be very useful if they'd meet me halfway. 693 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,520 So you're arguing you're sane. 694 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,640 I understand that it suits society to say otherwise. 695 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,280 Look at the world. 696 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,720 Men like me target society's unwanted. 697 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,840 Polite society won't say it out loud. 698 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,200 But they're not unhappy those people are dead. 699 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:23,360 They don't work hard to catch us while we're pruning out the rot. 700 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,560 Men like me are necessary. 701 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,200 Nietzsche knew it. 702 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,280 Crowley knew it. 703 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,240 I'd heard you read Crowley. 704 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,920 Do you have me down as a devil worshipper? 705 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,720 Aren't you? 706 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:45,160 You've read about Detective Talbot, haven't you? 707 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,400 Did you know he tried to solve me using star signs? 708 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,840 Didn't work out very well, did it? 709 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,120 CREED CHUCKLES 710 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,000 Maybe I was born under the 13th sign. 711 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,240 Not classifiable by an orthodox system. 712 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,840 Maybe that's why he couldn't catch me. 713 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,200 Hmm. 714 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,160 So no killing during the season of the moon, or cult of the Ruby Star? 715 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,160 So we've both read Crowley. 716 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,840 Sane men don't believe in Satan or horoscopes. 717 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,680 And I am sane. 718 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,360 Your doctors disagree. 719 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,320 I know more about psychology than they do. 720 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,920 You knew a bit about drugs, too. 721 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,520 Pentobarbital, phenobarbital slipped in a drink. 722 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,840 My field of expertise. 723 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,960 What if a woman had been drinking? 724 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,440 With alcohol in the blood, 725 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,960 isn't there the danger you'd kill them before you got them home? 726 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,280 I could always tell how much she'd had. 727 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,920 I'd alter the dose. 728 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,080 Did you adjust the dose for weight? 729 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,920 Of course. 730 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,720 And did they always finish the drink you gave them, 731 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,880 even if they needed to be somewhere else? 732 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,680 You're thinking Dr Bamborough would have been too clever 733 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,440 to end up in my van. 734 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,560 Doctors make mistakes, like everyone. 735 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,800 You didn't always use the van, did you? 736 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,960 You met Noreen Sturrock on a bus. 737 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,960 You gave her a can of Coke. 738 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,200 Cans of pop... 739 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,520 Adjusting the dose for the smaller body... 740 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,240 Maybe you ARE here for little Louise Tucker. 741 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:46,120 As a matter of fact, my client is Margot Bamborough's daughter. 742 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,200 What do you want out of this meeting? 743 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,440 I want to go back to Belmarsh, 744 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,320 where I can finish my book. 745 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,720 Keeping me here costs the taxpayer five times as much as prison. 746 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:05,640 Where do you think they want me? 747 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,560 They want you back in prison, 748 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,240 but the public don't get to decide where you belong. 749 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,360 That's down to your doctors. 750 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,400 Do you think you could change anyone's mind 751 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,120 by talking to the press? 752 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,280 Because there's a way to do that. 753 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,400 You tell me where Margot Bamborough is buried, 754 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,800 I'll have a body and you'll have a trial. 755 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,960 If you plead not guilty you'll take the stand, 756 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,320 then you can speak to the press directly. 757 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,640 I killed Louise Tucker. 758 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,440 Saw her in her school uniform. 759 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,440 Hard to resist. 760 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,000 There wasn't any planning. 761 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,200 No drugs. 762 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,320 Very unlike me. 763 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,400 I saw her and I took her. 764 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,640 There's no evidence Louise Tucker was ever in your basement. 765 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,600 That's cos she never was in my basement. 766 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,880 I did take her necklace off her before I dumped the body. 767 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,720 Thousands of those butterfly necklaces were made. 768 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,440 How about this, then? 769 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,440 She called her stepmum Claws. 770 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,960 She told me all about how unhappy she was at home. 771 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:38,240 Ask Brian Tucker how else I could have known about that. 772 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,200 It's not enough. Without a body 773 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,760 they'll think you're just looking for attention. 774 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,400 It would never go to court. 775 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,040 Why don't you tell me where Margot is? 776 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,240 Once I'm back in Belmarsh... 777 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:06,560 ..then maybe I'll be able to talk about Margot Bamborough. 778 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,440 Might feel up to it once I'm not being drugged. 779 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,440 You're full of shit, Dennis. 780 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,400 I don't believe you had anything to do with Louise or Margot. 781 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,200 Ready to go. 782 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,120 Why don't we meet halfway? 783 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,760 Then we'll find out 784 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,440 how clever you are. 785 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,640 You'll find Louise 786 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,880 where you find M54. 787 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,200 The M54? 788 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,040 You'll find her where you find M54. 789 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,160 If you can work that out, 790 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,240 after that, maybe then we can talk about Margot. 791 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,160 Those are my terms. 792 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:51,280 I know your type, Cormoran. 793 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,800 You read about women fighting near a phone box, 794 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,000 you read about a van seen speeding away. 795 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,640 Everyone else has got it wrong. 796 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,560 Now you'll be the one who gets it right. 797 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,040 I can see to that. 798 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,720 But it's my rules. 799 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,160 The plea for witnesses was in all the papers. 800 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,840 The phone box women, the van. 801 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,360 That's in the dozen books about you. I expect you've read them all. 802 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,480 The unanswered questions. 803 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,200 No. We've answered them. 804 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,520 That wasn't you driving the van. 805 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,080 You never met Margot. I ruled you out some time ago. 806 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,600 I was only ever here for Louise Tucker. 807 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,960 I think you're a fucking lunatic. 808 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,320 And if anyone asks, 809 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,920 I'll say you should be here in Broadmoor till you rot. 810 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,320 DOOR BUZZES 811 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,720 Motorway... Motorway. Car... 812 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,480 Try searching M54 minus motorway, minus car. 813 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,120 There's a star called M54. 814 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,440 It's located in the constellation of... Sagittarius. 815 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,560 Yeah. How did you know that? 816 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,720 I think I know where Louise is buried. 817 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,080 Sagittarius is also called the Archer. 818 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,160 One of the places that Brian Tucker said 819 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,840 Creed might have used under pressure is the Archer Hotel in Islington. 820 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,840 George Layborn. 821 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,080 We've found what looks like a skeleton. 822 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,360 It's going to be her, isn't it? 823 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,600 How did you figure it out? 824 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,160 Creed's clue about Sagittarius 825 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,040 wasn't as clever as he thought it was. More bloody star signs. 826 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,880 I asked him about star signs because of Talbot. 827 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,360 Yeah. He said if Talbot couldn't catch him, maybe it was because 828 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,280 he was born under the 13th sign. 829 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,960 13th? Probably taking the piss. 830 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,200 Yeah, well, he's not laughing now, is he? 831 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,240 I'd better get back. If you do speak to her dad, 832 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,920 nothing's official till we've done dental records, right? 833 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,640 You know how Creed said he was born under sign 13? 834 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,120 "Unclassifiable". 835 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,440 I looked up the 13th sign. 836 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,440 It exists. It's part of a 14-sign zodiac system developed in the '70s 837 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,480 by an American astrologer. Guess what his name was? 838 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,680 Stephen Schmidt. 839 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,360 "Schmidt explains everything." All this crossing out is Talbot 840 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,800 trying to apply Schmidt's 14-sign zodiac to his suspects' birthdays. 841 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,160 That was already a mad thing to be doing. 842 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,920 Yeah. No, I know that. But the point is, under Schmidt's system, 843 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,360 people's star signs change. One of them, Steve Douthwaite, 844 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,000 becomes a Capricorn. 845 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,680 "Capricorn kills Julie W." 846 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,560 So I ran a search in the local newspaper archives for the names 847 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,680 Julie and Steve in a ten-year period 848 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,280 with Canvey Island and the holiday camp as search modifiers. 849 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,240 I think I've found Julie W. 850 00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,760 Julie Wilkes was a holiday rep at Baxton's in Canvey Island. 851 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,320 She died while Douthwaite was working there, 852 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,000 not that long after Carl Oakden wrote that article 853 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,560 about him changing his name. 854 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,480 Look, it even mentions Julie's on-off boyfriend Steve. 855 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,120 "..Fellow holiday camp rep Steve Jacks, 856 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,320 "who declined to speak with us." 857 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,080 How did Julie die? 858 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,440 She was found intoxicated, floating in the camp pool. 859 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,640 Police questioned Steve, but no charges were brought. 860 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,040 He left Baxton's a week later. 861 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,160 Look what I found in Talbot's notebook. 862 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,320 It's a train ticket to Canvey Island, 863 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,720 dated the week before he was sectioned. 864 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:41,440 I think Douthwaite was the last thing he worked out. 865 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,520 "I've been looking into an ex-girlfriend of his, 866 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,840 "who apparently committed suicide." 867 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,880 Margot becomes his doctor and he starts sending her chocolates 868 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,840 and asking to see her every week. 869 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,040 And suddenly she goes missing. 870 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,840 Then he moves and his new girlfriend is found drowned at Baxton's. 871 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,600 Talbot was looking for a serial killer. 872 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,680 I think he might have found one.