1 00:00:03,187 --> 00:00:06,188 (upbeat hip-hop instrumental music) 2 00:00:06,190 --> 00:00:13,129 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:19,003 --> 00:00:20,870 MAN: The Dodge Charger... 4 00:00:20,872 --> 00:00:22,738 the official car of making a statement 5 00:00:22,740 --> 00:00:25,007 without saying anything at all. 6 00:00:25,009 --> 00:00:28,010 (mellow jazz) 7 00:00:28,012 --> 00:00:31,480 ♪ ♪ 8 00:00:32,650 --> 00:00:35,551 (upbeat theme music playing) 9 00:00:35,553 --> 00:00:42,491 ♪ ♪ 10 00:00:46,731 --> 00:00:49,732 Good evening, and welcome to "Montague." 11 00:00:49,734 --> 00:00:52,001 I'm your host, Franklin Montague. 12 00:00:52,003 --> 00:00:53,502 And today we're gonna take a look 13 00:00:53,504 --> 00:00:56,005 at the growing outlook of accepted sexuality 14 00:00:56,007 --> 00:00:58,407 and its effects on black youth and culture. 15 00:00:58,409 --> 00:01:00,042 With us today, we have 16 00:01:00,044 --> 00:01:02,778 the Head of the Center of Trans-American Issues, 17 00:01:02,780 --> 00:01:04,280 Dr. Debra Holt, 18 00:01:04,282 --> 00:01:06,849 and recording artist Paper Boi. 19 00:01:06,851 --> 00:01:08,451 Good evening to you both. 20 00:01:08,453 --> 00:01:09,885 - Good evening, Montague. - 'Sup? 21 00:01:09,887 --> 00:01:11,454 Uh, let's start at the beginning. 22 00:01:11,456 --> 00:01:14,557 Paper Boi, last Tuesday you engaged in a Twitter rant 23 00:01:14,559 --> 00:01:17,393 that had some pretty inflammatory statements. 24 00:01:17,395 --> 00:01:19,195 But the one statement that seems to have made 25 00:01:19,197 --> 00:01:20,796 - the biggest impact... - (sighs) 26 00:01:20,798 --> 00:01:22,865 Was this one and I quote, "Y'all the..." 27 00:01:22,867 --> 00:01:26,769 N-words "who said I was weird for not wanting to" 28 00:01:26,771 --> 00:01:29,205 F-word "Caitlyn Jenner." 29 00:01:29,207 --> 00:01:32,041 Would you want to, uh, explain that statement? 30 00:01:32,043 --> 00:01:34,143 No. 31 00:01:35,913 --> 00:01:40,049 Well, could you explain that statement? 32 00:01:40,051 --> 00:01:42,384 (blows) I... 33 00:01:42,386 --> 00:01:44,053 meant what I said. 34 00:01:44,055 --> 00:01:47,423 You don't think your tweets are transphobic? 35 00:01:47,425 --> 00:01:48,958 I just don't have to have sex 36 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,520 with Caitlyn Jenner 'cause y'all say so. 37 00:01:50,544 --> 00:01:52,261 Mm. So you don't think 38 00:01:52,263 --> 00:01:53,996 - Caitlyn Jenner's important? - (tsks) 39 00:01:53,998 --> 00:01:55,498 Look, I get what y'all saying, right? 40 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:58,234 But she's not super important to me, 41 00:01:58,236 --> 00:01:59,802 like, not my life. 42 00:01:59,804 --> 00:02:03,239 So how long have you disliked transpeople? 43 00:02:03,241 --> 00:02:05,474 Man, look, I just found out they exist, 44 00:02:05,476 --> 00:02:07,076 - to be honest. - I... No, no... 45 00:02:07,078 --> 00:02:09,245 "I make her switch sides, Caitlyn Jenner in reverse"? 46 00:02:09,247 --> 00:02:11,147 Is that not a... A lyric of yours? 47 00:02:11,149 --> 00:02:12,681 Man, I was just rapping, man. 48 00:02:12,683 --> 00:02:14,617 Look, I've said worse things. 49 00:02:14,619 --> 00:02:16,952 You ever heard my song, "Illuminati Sex"? 50 00:02:16,954 --> 00:02:18,874 - Haven't heard it yet. - Well, there we go then. 51 00:02:18,898 --> 00:02:20,356 Debra, you've written 52 00:02:20,358 --> 00:02:22,591 about this current phenomenon in your book, 53 00:02:22,593 --> 00:02:25,361 Transition: Gender in a New Generation. 54 00:02:25,363 --> 00:02:27,630 What do you think about all this? 55 00:02:27,632 --> 00:02:29,532 I look at these statements as 56 00:02:29,534 --> 00:02:31,500 natural consequences of a culture 57 00:02:31,502 --> 00:02:33,302 - of exclusion and power. - Mm. 58 00:02:33,304 --> 00:02:35,184 You know, there's... There's a large swath of... 59 00:02:35,208 --> 00:02:37,006 - (scoffs) - Gender and sexuality roles 60 00:02:37,008 --> 00:02:39,975 that are just being exposed to a large portion of the public. 61 00:02:39,977 --> 00:02:41,544 (chuckling) 62 00:02:41,546 --> 00:02:43,646 DEBRA: Uh, it's harder for certain sections 63 00:02:43,648 --> 00:02:45,181 to deal with this transition 64 00:02:45,183 --> 00:02:47,449 uh, because of conflict of interest, 65 00:02:47,451 --> 00:02:50,019 and, frankly, identity issues. 66 00:02:50,021 --> 00:02:51,787 In this case, the rap community. 67 00:02:51,789 --> 00:02:53,789 Now, I truly believe it's, uh, 68 00:02:53,791 --> 00:02:56,158 has more to do with issues of masculinity 69 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,527 in the black community than actual 70 00:02:58,529 --> 00:03:00,663 homophobia or... or transphobia. 71 00:03:00,665 --> 00:03:02,565 - Please explain. - Yes, please, please. 72 00:03:02,567 --> 00:03:04,300 Tell me... Tell me about myself. 73 00:03:04,302 --> 00:03:05,868 Go on. 74 00:03:05,870 --> 00:03:08,504 Well, Mis... Mister, uh, Pa... Mr. Paper Boi... 75 00:03:08,506 --> 00:03:09,805 Mister, yeah. 76 00:03:09,807 --> 00:03:12,374 What would you consider yourself? 77 00:03:12,376 --> 00:03:13,542 A rapper? 78 00:03:13,544 --> 00:03:14,643 A straight rapper? 79 00:03:14,645 --> 00:03:16,078 Hell yeah. 80 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,746 Well, I did some research on your lyrics, 81 00:03:17,748 --> 00:03:20,349 and they're actually very pro sexual-spectrum. 82 00:03:20,351 --> 00:03:21,684 - Oh? - Pro-what? 83 00:03:21,686 --> 00:03:23,986 "If I eff with you, you my N-word, 84 00:03:23,988 --> 00:03:25,421 you my N-word for life." 85 00:03:25,423 --> 00:03:26,863 Yo, you know that ain't what I meant. 86 00:03:26,865 --> 00:03:28,098 Yeah, oh, I understand, but, you know, 87 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:29,558 there's a layer of fluidity... 88 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,093 No, no, no. There's no extra layer. 89 00:03:31,095 --> 00:03:33,028 DEBRA: That you yourself don't even realize. 90 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:34,597 I don't think about what I'm rapping half the time. 91 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:35,919 Look, I'm just trying to get paid, 92 00:03:35,943 --> 00:03:37,032 you feel me? Look, (bleep), 93 00:03:37,034 --> 00:03:38,767 why you think I'm on this show? 94 00:03:38,769 --> 00:03:41,870 You're not getting paid for this. 95 00:03:41,872 --> 00:03:44,206 Hey... Hey, Earn... man? 96 00:03:44,208 --> 00:03:46,842 Black men aren't ready to accept the implications 97 00:03:46,844 --> 00:03:48,577 of a trans-accepting culture. 98 00:03:48,579 --> 00:03:50,419 No... look, I'm allowed to say that it's weird. 99 00:03:50,443 --> 00:03:51,880 "It"? 100 00:03:51,882 --> 00:03:53,249 No, look, I'm not calling him a "it." 101 00:03:53,251 --> 00:03:54,617 - Naw, I'm just saying that... - "Him"? 102 00:03:54,619 --> 00:03:56,185 Look... look, can I say something? Damn! 103 00:03:56,187 --> 00:03:57,720 FRANKLIN: All right. - Well, it depends. 104 00:03:57,722 --> 00:03:59,682 - I was trying to say... - We got to take a break. 105 00:03:59,706 --> 00:04:01,277 When we're back, we're gonna take a look 106 00:04:01,279 --> 00:04:03,926 into a young boy's struggle for equality. 107 00:04:03,928 --> 00:04:04,927 (theme music playing) 108 00:04:04,929 --> 00:04:06,195 (sighs) 109 00:04:06,197 --> 00:04:08,097 (theme music) 110 00:04:09,233 --> 00:04:10,532 (sportscaster on phone) 111 00:04:10,534 --> 00:04:11,734 (front entrance dings) 112 00:04:11,736 --> 00:04:14,637 (Muzak plays in background) 113 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:18,974 ♪ ♪ 114 00:04:18,976 --> 00:04:21,777 (sportscasters continue) 115 00:04:21,779 --> 00:04:22,779 (beep) 116 00:04:26,484 --> 00:04:27,816 $1.49? 117 00:04:27,818 --> 00:04:29,885 But the price on the can, though. 118 00:04:29,887 --> 00:04:31,420 The price is on the can, though. 119 00:04:31,422 --> 00:04:34,156 (crowd cheers on phone) 120 00:04:34,158 --> 00:04:37,326 (sportscasters continue) 121 00:04:40,231 --> 00:04:43,232 (jazzy lounge music) 122 00:04:43,234 --> 00:04:50,172 ♪ ♪ 123 00:05:09,126 --> 00:05:12,027 (music continues) 124 00:05:12,029 --> 00:05:17,933 ♪ ♪ 125 00:05:21,672 --> 00:05:24,773 (upbeat hip-hop instrumental music) 126 00:05:24,775 --> 00:05:31,714 ♪ ♪ 127 00:05:43,694 --> 00:05:45,361 MAN: The Dodge Charger. 128 00:05:45,363 --> 00:05:48,297 Make a statement without saying anything at all. 129 00:05:49,367 --> 00:05:52,868 (theme music playing) 130 00:05:52,870 --> 00:05:54,570 Earlier in our show, we talked about 131 00:05:54,572 --> 00:05:56,338 transitions in sexuality. 132 00:05:56,340 --> 00:05:58,140 Uh, but what about race? 133 00:05:58,142 --> 00:06:00,576 Our correspondent, Nathan Wielder, 134 00:06:00,578 --> 00:06:01,810 has the story. 135 00:06:10,721 --> 00:06:12,354 Harrison looks from the outside 136 00:06:12,356 --> 00:06:14,089 to be your average teenager. 137 00:06:14,091 --> 00:06:16,825 He goes to school, plays video games, 138 00:06:16,827 --> 00:06:19,561 even listens to music in his room. 139 00:06:19,563 --> 00:06:21,263 But there's one difference. 140 00:06:21,265 --> 00:06:23,899 I'm a 35-year-old white man. 141 00:06:23,901 --> 00:06:26,335 NATHAN: Harrison, born Antwoine Smalls, 142 00:06:26,337 --> 00:06:28,270 has trans-racial identity, 143 00:06:28,272 --> 00:06:30,038 identifying as Harrison Booth, 144 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,342 a 35-year-old white man from Colorado. 145 00:06:33,344 --> 00:06:34,843 And when did you know that you were a 146 00:06:34,845 --> 00:06:36,445 35-year-old white man? 147 00:06:36,447 --> 00:06:38,013 Well, I've always felt different. 148 00:06:38,015 --> 00:06:40,416 I go to the store, the movies, 149 00:06:40,418 --> 00:06:41,950 and just be thinking to myself, like, 150 00:06:41,952 --> 00:06:45,187 "Why am I not getting the respect I deserve?" 151 00:06:45,189 --> 00:06:48,357 And then, it just hit me. 152 00:06:48,359 --> 00:06:50,459 I'm white... 153 00:06:50,461 --> 00:06:52,227 and 35. 154 00:06:52,229 --> 00:06:54,296 I just miss Colorado sometimes, you know. 155 00:06:54,298 --> 00:06:56,198 Here, I pretend the buildings are the old 156 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,801 San Juan Mountain ranges but, you know, the jobs is here. 157 00:06:58,803 --> 00:07:00,302 And where do you work? 158 00:07:00,304 --> 00:07:02,070 I'm a Systems Engineer for Coca-Cola. 159 00:07:02,072 --> 00:07:03,038 Oh. Okay. 160 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,273 That boy don't work. 161 00:07:04,275 --> 00:07:05,874 He go to school, and that's it. 162 00:07:05,876 --> 00:07:07,075 - Mm-hmm. - One day, he said, 163 00:07:07,077 --> 00:07:08,744 "Call me Harrison." 164 00:07:08,746 --> 00:07:10,712 I said, "Who's that?" 165 00:07:10,714 --> 00:07:12,114 He said, "Me." 166 00:07:12,116 --> 00:07:14,616 Do you believe that he is a white man? 167 00:07:14,618 --> 00:07:16,251 I mean, he isn't. 168 00:07:16,253 --> 00:07:18,120 (bleep), I'd love to wake up one day and say, 169 00:07:18,122 --> 00:07:20,322 "Hey, everybody, I'm Rihanna." 170 00:07:20,324 --> 00:07:21,323 But I ain't. 171 00:07:21,325 --> 00:07:22,324 It's been pretty hard. 172 00:07:22,326 --> 00:07:24,159 My family just doesn't get it. 173 00:07:24,161 --> 00:07:26,395 You know, I try to get them to go out with me, 174 00:07:26,397 --> 00:07:28,564 go on walks, go to the farmers market, 175 00:07:28,566 --> 00:07:31,433 chat with people, but... yeah. 176 00:07:31,435 --> 00:07:34,269 So why don't you think that they get it? 177 00:07:34,271 --> 00:07:36,004 I don't think they get it because 178 00:07:36,006 --> 00:07:38,340 they don't realize that race is just a made-up thing. 179 00:07:38,342 --> 00:07:39,575 Mm-hmm. 180 00:07:39,577 --> 00:07:40,937 They grew up having labels, and me, 181 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:42,344 I'm just... I'm just not like that. 182 00:07:42,346 --> 00:07:43,679 I see. 183 00:07:43,681 --> 00:07:46,014 So how do you embrace your identity? 184 00:07:46,016 --> 00:07:47,516 - I dress a certain way. - Ah. 185 00:07:47,518 --> 00:07:48,750 Patagonia. 186 00:07:48,752 --> 00:07:50,652 I wear a thick, brown leather belt. 187 00:07:50,654 --> 00:07:52,955 I like to envision myself after the surgery. 188 00:07:52,957 --> 00:07:54,456 (clears throat) 189 00:07:54,458 --> 00:07:57,860 "Hey, excuse me, what IPA do you have on tap?" 190 00:07:57,862 --> 00:08:02,130 "Hey, did you see Game of Thrones last night?" 191 00:08:02,132 --> 00:08:03,632 Yeah. 192 00:08:03,634 --> 00:08:05,334 So your... Your surgery, 193 00:08:05,336 --> 00:08:06,502 that's later this year? 194 00:08:06,504 --> 00:08:07,836 Right. I started working 195 00:08:07,838 --> 00:08:09,605 at Stonecrest Mall, so hopefully 196 00:08:09,607 --> 00:08:11,673 by then I have enough money to take the next step. 197 00:08:11,675 --> 00:08:13,041 Mm-hmm. 198 00:08:13,043 --> 00:08:16,445 So you work at Coca-Cola and the mall? 199 00:08:16,447 --> 00:08:19,715 Right. Correct, I work at both. 200 00:08:19,717 --> 00:08:21,517 NATHAN: Harrison has been planning 201 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:24,353 a full racial transition with a Dr. Samuel Vergara 202 00:08:24,355 --> 00:08:26,275 who guarantees Harrison can visually transition 203 00:08:26,299 --> 00:08:28,023 through an experimental procedure 204 00:08:28,025 --> 00:08:30,359 that will allow Harrison not only to be a white man 205 00:08:30,361 --> 00:08:31,960 but whatever race he chooses. 206 00:08:31,962 --> 00:08:35,964 The procedure's absolutely 100% possible. 207 00:08:35,966 --> 00:08:38,233 He's gonna look weird though. 208 00:08:38,235 --> 00:08:40,075 NATHAN: But before Harrison can fully realize 209 00:08:40,099 --> 00:08:42,738 his physical identity, he still has the day-to-day 210 00:08:42,740 --> 00:08:45,474 that's filled with discrimination and ridicule. 211 00:08:45,476 --> 00:08:46,909 It... it's pretty awful, you know. 212 00:08:46,911 --> 00:08:48,644 You... you walk in the streets, 213 00:08:48,646 --> 00:08:50,846 and black people, they see you, they nod to you like, 214 00:08:50,848 --> 00:08:52,581 "Hey, good to see us." 215 00:08:52,583 --> 00:08:54,850 And it's to the point where I've just given up. 216 00:08:54,852 --> 00:08:56,552 I've stopped trying to convince them 217 00:08:56,554 --> 00:08:59,321 - that I'm not "us." - Gotcha. 218 00:08:59,323 --> 00:09:01,657 Hey, excuse me, this is definitely the guy. 219 00:09:01,659 --> 00:09:03,692 He doesn't even live in the area. 220 00:09:03,694 --> 00:09:05,327 I've never seen him before. 221 00:09:09,733 --> 00:09:12,734 (police radio chatter) 222 00:09:12,736 --> 00:09:14,670 ♪ ♪ 223 00:09:14,672 --> 00:09:16,772 HARRISON: I think we're taking slow strides, 224 00:09:16,774 --> 00:09:18,907 but you have to believe things are getting better, 225 00:09:18,909 --> 00:09:21,043 otherwise, you'll just die inside. 226 00:09:21,045 --> 00:09:22,744 Is there anything you'd like to say to 227 00:09:22,746 --> 00:09:24,846 other black kids out there who may be going through 228 00:09:24,848 --> 00:09:26,548 the same thing? 229 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:27,849 Just be you. 230 00:09:27,851 --> 00:09:29,685 At all costs. 231 00:09:29,687 --> 00:09:31,353 But also, 232 00:09:31,355 --> 00:09:33,922 stop dressing so crazy. 233 00:09:33,924 --> 00:09:35,390 Hmm. 234 00:09:35,392 --> 00:09:38,393 (gentle instrumental music) 235 00:09:38,395 --> 00:09:45,334 ♪ ♪ 236 00:09:49,406 --> 00:09:52,374 (guitar music flourishes) 237 00:09:52,376 --> 00:09:54,009 Absolutely. 238 00:09:55,112 --> 00:09:56,745 Hi. 239 00:09:56,747 --> 00:09:59,081 I'm Devyonne Johnson, famous movie star. 240 00:09:59,083 --> 00:10:01,750 When the director calls cut and I get a quick five, 241 00:10:01,752 --> 00:10:04,219 you know I'm reaching for the smooth taste 242 00:10:04,221 --> 00:10:06,154 of Swisher Sweets. 243 00:10:06,156 --> 00:10:08,924 Swisher Sweets are the only cigarillos made with 244 00:10:08,926 --> 00:10:12,461 the highest quality tobacco from family-owned farms. 245 00:10:12,463 --> 00:10:14,463 It's their high standards and experience 246 00:10:14,465 --> 00:10:18,000 that make for a quality smoke you can enjoy every time. 247 00:10:19,236 --> 00:10:20,636 (sniffs) 248 00:10:22,905 --> 00:10:23,905 (click) 249 00:10:23,907 --> 00:10:30,679 ♪ ♪ 250 00:10:32,149 --> 00:10:35,417 (blows) 251 00:10:35,419 --> 00:10:37,085 Yeah... 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And today we're talking about 263 00:11:18,962 --> 00:11:20,829 transitions with my guests, 264 00:11:20,831 --> 00:11:24,299 Atlanta rapper Paper Boi and Dr. Debra Holt. 265 00:11:24,301 --> 00:11:27,369 Ah, Paper Boi, are you afraid to speak your mind 266 00:11:27,371 --> 00:11:29,004 on this subject? 267 00:11:29,006 --> 00:11:31,473 Actually, yup, I am. 268 00:11:31,475 --> 00:11:33,508 You can't say real (bleep) anymore without somebody 269 00:11:33,510 --> 00:11:35,711 trying to make sure you never make money forever. 270 00:11:35,713 --> 00:11:37,553 FRANKLIN: So you think you're being persecuted? 271 00:11:37,577 --> 00:11:38,814 Yes, I am. 272 00:11:38,816 --> 00:11:40,656 Man, you can't even say "ho" in a song no more. 273 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,184 (scoffs) A travesty, I'm sure. 274 00:11:42,186 --> 00:11:43,546 - (chuckles) ALFRED: Yo, why you... 275 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:44,986 Yo, why you talk like that? 276 00:11:44,988 --> 00:11:46,668 Like, "a travesty, I'm sur..." like, what? 277 00:11:46,692 --> 00:11:48,423 You're... you're whining about chickens 278 00:11:48,425 --> 00:11:50,025 - coming home to roost. - No-no-no-no-no. 279 00:11:50,049 --> 00:11:51,760 Rap is chickens coming home to roost. 280 00:11:51,762 --> 00:11:54,496 Look, my life is messed up from (bleep) y'all did, okay? 281 00:11:54,498 --> 00:11:56,064 That's black news. You can look that up. 282 00:11:56,066 --> 00:11:57,766 Well, your news is problematic. 283 00:11:57,768 --> 00:11:59,601 - Bitch, that ain't my fault! - Whoa, whoa, whoa! 284 00:11:59,603 --> 00:12:01,236 I won't have you on my show calling anyone "bitches." 285 00:12:01,238 --> 00:12:02,604 How you gonna blame me for news being bad, huh? 286 00:12:02,606 --> 00:12:04,106 FRANKLIN: All right, simmer down, simmer down. 287 00:12:04,108 --> 00:12:05,788 You can't even have an intelligent dialogue 288 00:12:05,812 --> 00:12:07,412 - without spewing profanities. - (groans) 289 00:12:07,414 --> 00:12:09,494 - It's... it's ludicrous. FRANKLIN: Okay, okay, okay. 290 00:12:09,518 --> 00:12:11,847 Paper Boi, isn't a lack of a father 291 00:12:11,849 --> 00:12:14,015 the reason you hate transpeople? 292 00:12:14,017 --> 00:12:15,417 What? Lack of a father? 293 00:12:15,419 --> 00:12:17,219 Man, you hear yourself? (bleep), shut up. 294 00:12:17,221 --> 00:12:18,520 Man, here's the thing. 295 00:12:18,522 --> 00:12:20,255 Man, I... It's hard for me to care 296 00:12:20,257 --> 00:12:22,023 about this when nobody cares about me 297 00:12:22,025 --> 00:12:23,792 as a black human man, you feel me? 298 00:12:23,794 --> 00:12:25,594 Like, Caitlyn Jenner is just doing 299 00:12:25,596 --> 00:12:27,229 what rich white men been doing since the dawn of time, 300 00:12:27,231 --> 00:12:28,864 which is whatever the hell he want. 301 00:12:28,866 --> 00:12:31,533 So why should I care? What make him so special? 302 00:12:31,535 --> 00:12:33,268 But... but as a black man in this country, 303 00:12:33,270 --> 00:12:35,437 shouldn't you care about the civil liberties of others, 304 00:12:35,439 --> 00:12:37,039 since they're so closely related to... to 305 00:12:37,063 --> 00:12:38,306 your struggle for equality? 306 00:12:38,308 --> 00:12:40,108 What you talking 'bout? I do care. 307 00:12:40,110 --> 00:12:42,043 Look, I don't have a problem with gay people, transpeople, 308 00:12:42,045 --> 00:12:43,885 because that's tolerance, but where's tolerance 309 00:12:43,909 --> 00:12:46,114 for people like me? You know what I'm saying? 310 00:12:46,116 --> 00:12:49,551 Like... (sighs) Look. 311 00:12:49,553 --> 00:12:51,453 I should be able to say something is weird 312 00:12:51,455 --> 00:12:53,321 without people hating on me. All right? 313 00:12:53,323 --> 00:12:56,124 Look, I never... I never said anything 314 00:12:56,126 --> 00:12:57,559 about taking away nobody's rights. 315 00:12:57,561 --> 00:12:58,827 A'ight? Never. 316 00:12:58,829 --> 00:13:00,295 I... I understand what you're saying, 317 00:13:00,297 --> 00:13:02,664 but... but some people found your remarks offensive. 318 00:13:02,666 --> 00:13:05,667 Yeah, well, freedom of speech, (bleep). 319 00:13:06,837 --> 00:13:09,271 No, you're right. 320 00:13:09,273 --> 00:13:10,839 I agree. 321 00:13:15,846 --> 00:13:19,981 But your music is detrimental to black teens. 322 00:13:19,983 --> 00:13:23,185 (scoffs) Yeah, but so is all rap music, right? 323 00:13:23,187 --> 00:13:24,547 - I mean, and rock music... - Rock. 324 00:13:24,571 --> 00:13:25,851 Before it was taken over by rap. 325 00:13:25,875 --> 00:13:27,856 Yeah, I agree. 326 00:13:27,858 --> 00:13:30,659 You hate... women! 327 00:13:30,661 --> 00:13:31,827 (bleep), what? 328 00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:36,031 (theme music playing) 329 00:13:36,033 --> 00:13:38,099 Questions. 330 00:13:38,101 --> 00:13:40,035 The universe. 331 00:13:40,037 --> 00:13:42,337 Paternity tests? 332 00:13:42,339 --> 00:13:43,839 Salutations. 333 00:13:43,841 --> 00:13:45,473 (gentle music) 334 00:13:45,475 --> 00:13:47,876 Hi. My name is Ahmad White. 335 00:13:47,878 --> 00:13:50,011 You may know me from your dreams. 336 00:13:50,013 --> 00:13:51,379 Call this number below 337 00:13:51,381 --> 00:13:53,715 and get the answers you deserve. 338 00:13:53,717 --> 00:13:54,850 (upbeat music) 339 00:13:54,852 --> 00:13:56,384 When I called Ahmad White, 340 00:13:56,386 --> 00:13:58,520 I was three months behind on my car note. 341 00:13:58,522 --> 00:14:00,789 (scoffs) My stepson, he was in jail. 342 00:14:00,791 --> 00:14:03,825 My life was in shambles! 343 00:14:03,827 --> 00:14:05,460 But now, I got a truck, 344 00:14:05,462 --> 00:14:08,196 I got a girlfriend, 345 00:14:08,198 --> 00:14:10,565 I got the answers I deserve. 346 00:14:10,567 --> 00:14:12,868 Thank you, Ahmad White. 347 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:14,369 Most people don't realize 348 00:14:14,371 --> 00:14:17,172 their chakra's in another universe. 349 00:14:17,174 --> 00:14:18,874 Don't be dumb. 350 00:14:18,876 --> 00:14:20,508 Call now. 351 00:14:20,510 --> 00:14:23,545 Me and Ahmad found out I was a moon sign, 352 00:14:23,547 --> 00:14:26,047 and I wasn't getting enough crystal in my diet. 353 00:14:26,049 --> 00:14:29,050 Now, I live in a beautiful home. 354 00:14:29,052 --> 00:14:31,353 Ahmad gave me the answers I was looking for. 355 00:14:31,355 --> 00:14:32,821 Come to our Liberty Center 356 00:14:32,823 --> 00:14:35,523 and get a free juice and Nutella sandwich. 357 00:14:35,525 --> 00:14:38,860 When I called Ahmad, my life was going nowhere fast. 358 00:14:38,862 --> 00:14:41,062 After a Nutella sandwich and juice, 359 00:14:41,064 --> 00:14:43,064 my life's a lot better. 360 00:14:43,066 --> 00:14:46,234 (upbeat tone sustained) 361 00:14:46,236 --> 00:14:47,569 Open your third eye. 362 00:14:47,571 --> 00:14:49,204 He works. 363 00:14:49,206 --> 00:14:50,739 He just works. 364 00:14:50,741 --> 00:14:53,909 He works. He really works. 365 00:14:53,911 --> 00:14:56,278 He works. He really, really works. 366 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,713 Knowledge is the path to greatness. 367 00:14:58,715 --> 00:15:01,549 If you'd like to be smart as a baby dolphin, 368 00:15:01,551 --> 00:15:03,184 call now. 369 00:15:03,186 --> 00:15:06,121 (ethereal music) 370 00:15:09,259 --> 00:15:12,260 (upbeat hip-hop instrumental music) 371 00:15:12,262 --> 00:15:14,262 ♪ ♪ 372 00:15:14,264 --> 00:15:15,997 (engine revs) 373 00:15:21,638 --> 00:15:23,204 That's a nice car. 374 00:15:23,206 --> 00:15:24,806 You know him? 375 00:15:24,808 --> 00:15:26,908 That's Victor Wallace. 376 00:15:26,910 --> 00:15:29,444 His wife left him for his brother. 377 00:15:29,446 --> 00:15:31,446 Long court battle. 378 00:15:31,448 --> 00:15:33,715 Kids, house... 379 00:15:33,717 --> 00:15:36,117 It got messy. 380 00:15:36,119 --> 00:15:39,120 He ain't say one word the whole trial. 381 00:15:39,122 --> 00:15:41,656 But then at the end, he just stood up and said, 382 00:15:41,658 --> 00:15:44,693 "Leave me my Dodge Charger." 383 00:15:48,098 --> 00:15:50,465 He been driving around this neighborhood 384 00:15:50,467 --> 00:15:52,334 in circles for a week. 385 00:15:52,336 --> 00:15:55,804 - Just waving. - Mm. 386 00:15:55,806 --> 00:15:57,939 Nice car though. 387 00:15:57,941 --> 00:15:59,341 (nozzle fumbling) 388 00:15:59,343 --> 00:16:02,410 (upbeat hip-hop instrumental music) 389 00:16:02,412 --> 00:16:07,749 ♪ ♪ 390 00:16:07,751 --> 00:16:09,084 (tires screech) 391 00:16:09,086 --> 00:16:10,652 ♪ ♪ 392 00:16:10,654 --> 00:16:13,888 MAN: The Dodge Charger. Keep it in the divorce. 393 00:16:15,959 --> 00:16:18,360 (gasps) King Coco's Crunch-O's. 394 00:16:18,362 --> 00:16:20,695 The legend is true! 395 00:16:20,697 --> 00:16:21,763 (creaking) 396 00:16:21,765 --> 00:16:23,598 Gimme that crunch! 397 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,033 No! 398 00:16:25,035 --> 00:16:26,034 (grunts) 399 00:16:26,036 --> 00:16:27,302 Nice try. 400 00:16:27,304 --> 00:16:28,370 But only kids can have... 401 00:16:28,372 --> 00:16:30,605 all: Coconut Crunch-O's. 402 00:16:30,607 --> 00:16:32,707 WOLF: That chocolatey coconut crunch 403 00:16:32,709 --> 00:16:34,542 in every bite. (crunches) 404 00:16:34,544 --> 00:16:36,778 Oh, I can almost taste it! 405 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:38,279 Bbbbbb! 406 00:16:38,281 --> 00:16:39,514 (train horn whistles) 407 00:16:39,516 --> 00:16:41,950 Oh, I got to have them Crunch-O's! 408 00:16:41,952 --> 00:16:43,318 - (grunts) - Ow! Ow! 409 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,053 Man! Ow! 410 00:16:45,055 --> 00:16:47,288 - Stop resisting. - (pained groans) 411 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:49,190 - Stop resisting, sir. - (pained struggle) Damn! 412 00:16:49,192 --> 00:16:51,226 - Stop... resisting. - Shit, man! 413 00:16:51,228 --> 00:16:53,361 Oh! Mother... (grunts) 414 00:16:53,363 --> 00:16:54,562 Stay down. (handcuffs click) 415 00:16:54,564 --> 00:16:55,797 What happened? 416 00:16:55,799 --> 00:16:56,998 He's going to jail. 417 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,066 That's what happened. 418 00:16:58,068 --> 00:16:59,901 This is some bullshit! 419 00:16:59,903 --> 00:17:00,969 You all right? 420 00:17:00,971 --> 00:17:02,237 He's fine. 421 00:17:02,239 --> 00:17:04,205 He just doesn't wanna go to jail. 422 00:17:04,207 --> 00:17:05,507 You sitting on my back, man! 423 00:17:05,509 --> 00:17:06,508 (bones crack) Ah! 424 00:17:06,510 --> 00:17:07,742 Sir, be quiet. 425 00:17:07,744 --> 00:17:09,377 Yo! You sitting on his back! 426 00:17:09,379 --> 00:17:11,246 He was trying to steal your cereal, right? 427 00:17:11,248 --> 00:17:13,148 I mean, it's just cereal. 428 00:17:13,150 --> 00:17:14,249 He can have it! 429 00:17:14,251 --> 00:17:16,217 Man, I'm just hungry, man! 430 00:17:16,219 --> 00:17:18,219 They don't let wolves in stores, man! 431 00:17:18,221 --> 00:17:19,654 Step back, guys. 432 00:17:19,656 --> 00:17:21,089 I'm going to lift the offender up. 433 00:17:21,091 --> 00:17:23,491 We are now going to our feet, sir. 434 00:17:23,493 --> 00:17:25,260 Let's go, sir, let's go. 435 00:17:25,262 --> 00:17:27,362 Nigga, I could be eating these kids! 436 00:17:27,364 --> 00:17:29,264 But I'm out here eating cereal! 437 00:17:29,266 --> 00:17:30,665 Hey, it's cool! 438 00:17:30,667 --> 00:17:32,400 We'll just give him the cereal. 439 00:17:32,402 --> 00:17:33,768 No, only kids 440 00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:36,104 can have Coconut Crunch-O's. You know that. 441 00:17:36,106 --> 00:17:37,705 (tsks) That's a wack law. 442 00:17:37,707 --> 00:17:40,408 This fool know he eat Coconut Crunch-O's, 443 00:17:40,410 --> 00:17:42,343 and you ain't no kid! 444 00:17:42,345 --> 00:17:44,446 Let me do my job. 445 00:17:44,448 --> 00:17:47,282 I said back up... sir! 446 00:17:47,284 --> 00:17:51,586 (brooding dramatic music) 447 00:17:51,588 --> 00:17:54,122 (crunches) 448 00:17:56,526 --> 00:17:58,026 MAN: Coconut Crunch-O's 449 00:17:58,028 --> 00:18:00,128 is a part of this balanced breakfast. 450 00:18:00,130 --> 00:18:03,898 (theme music playing) 451 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:06,601 Earlier we showed a clip about a young man 452 00:18:06,603 --> 00:18:09,537 dealing with trans-racial identity. 453 00:18:09,539 --> 00:18:13,074 Well, we've got him joining us via Facebook video chat. 454 00:18:13,076 --> 00:18:15,777 Please welcome Antwoine Smalls to the show. 455 00:18:15,779 --> 00:18:18,646 Hello, Montague, thank you for having me on your show. 456 00:18:18,648 --> 00:18:20,381 - So now, Antwoine... ALFRED: (laughs) 457 00:18:20,383 --> 00:18:22,984 - It's Harrison. - I'm sorry. 458 00:18:22,986 --> 00:18:25,286 - Harrison. - (chuckling) 459 00:18:25,288 --> 00:18:27,622 FRANKLIN: How's your life been since we last saw you? 460 00:18:27,624 --> 00:18:28,723 ALFRED: Ohh... 461 00:18:28,725 --> 00:18:30,158 It's pretty good. 462 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,327 I just came back from Charleston, South Carolina. 463 00:18:32,329 --> 00:18:33,928 FRANKLIN: Ah. - Beautiful. 464 00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:35,570 I was checking out some cheap art spaces 465 00:18:35,594 --> 00:18:37,265 for me and a friend that I made, uh... 466 00:18:37,267 --> 00:18:39,147 What... wait... I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 467 00:18:39,171 --> 00:18:41,102 Yo. This is dumb. 468 00:18:41,104 --> 00:18:42,971 - Like, that... this is dumb. DEBRA: What... 469 00:18:42,973 --> 00:18:44,772 ALFRED: Like, dude, wait, wait. Did you power up? 470 00:18:44,774 --> 00:18:46,494 'Cause you look like Super Saiyan right now. 471 00:18:46,518 --> 00:18:48,276 Like, is that, like, is that the Goku... 472 00:18:48,278 --> 00:18:49,511 FRANKLIN: (sighs) - Like Dragon Ball collection, 473 00:18:49,513 --> 00:18:51,112 my (bleep), like? You look like 474 00:18:51,114 --> 00:18:52,794 - a fake Ellen DeGeneres. - This is just... 475 00:18:52,818 --> 00:18:54,449 - Like a Felon DeGeneres. - Okay. 476 00:18:54,451 --> 00:18:57,252 Look, no-no-no, you look like Drake Malfoy, dude, like. 477 00:18:57,254 --> 00:18:59,754 Bangs, my (bleep)? Like, nobody told you 478 00:18:59,756 --> 00:19:01,716 - not to do bangs... Like... FRANKLIN: Okay, okay. 479 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:03,525 - Nice tolerance. FRANKLIN: Mr. Boi. 480 00:19:03,527 --> 00:19:05,193 ALFRED: What is up... Wait, wait... - Okay, okay, thank you. 481 00:19:05,195 --> 00:19:06,995 - None of y'all? Okay. FRANKLIN: Thank you. 482 00:19:06,997 --> 00:19:09,077 - That is very inappropriate. - Sorry, man, go ahead. 483 00:19:09,101 --> 00:19:10,165 - Shh. - It's... it's okay. 484 00:19:10,167 --> 00:19:12,700 Sadly, the black community, they just aren't accepting 485 00:19:12,702 --> 00:19:14,335 of racial diversity or 486 00:19:14,337 --> 00:19:15,870 anyone different, for that matter. 487 00:19:15,872 --> 00:19:18,206 - Mm. Now, Harrison... ALFRED: (groans) 488 00:19:18,208 --> 00:19:20,275 Would you say that, uh, the... the rap game 489 00:19:20,277 --> 00:19:22,877 or the hip-hop community is especially intolerant 490 00:19:22,879 --> 00:19:24,812 of the lifestyle you chose? 491 00:19:24,814 --> 00:19:27,282 We really can't blame rap or the hip-hop culture. 492 00:19:27,284 --> 00:19:30,018 He's just expressing himself to the best of his ability. 493 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:32,353 And I will defend his right to do that. 494 00:19:32,355 --> 00:19:34,889 He's telling a story, or, like, views from the streets. 495 00:19:34,891 --> 00:19:36,524 - You know, like a ghetto news. - Mm. 496 00:19:36,526 --> 00:19:38,393 - Okay. (Snickers) - But... but Harrison, 497 00:19:38,395 --> 00:19:40,662 don't you think that the rap community 498 00:19:40,664 --> 00:19:43,364 and its treatment of transpeople and homosexuals 499 00:19:43,366 --> 00:19:46,467 is indicative of a larger problem in the black community, 500 00:19:46,469 --> 00:19:49,070 one that makes your lifestyle unacceptable? 501 00:19:49,072 --> 00:19:50,738 No, no way. Not at all. 502 00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:53,741 I mean, a man wanting to turn himself into a woman... 503 00:19:53,743 --> 00:19:55,710 That's just unnatural, and I don't think 504 00:19:55,712 --> 00:19:58,546 we should have our kids thinking that that's okay. 505 00:19:58,548 --> 00:20:00,148 So I will support that message. 506 00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:01,649 Wait, wait, wait, wait. 507 00:20:01,651 --> 00:20:03,211 - What are you saying? - (stifled laugh) 508 00:20:03,235 --> 00:20:04,385 I'm not into gay marriage. 509 00:20:04,387 --> 00:20:05,920 That... that is gross. 510 00:20:05,922 --> 00:20:07,722 Why would I ever tolerate something like that? 511 00:20:07,746 --> 00:20:08,890 Marriage is meant for 512 00:20:08,892 --> 00:20:10,558 a man and a woman, not that... 513 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,660 That's an abomination. We're... We... No. 514 00:20:12,662 --> 00:20:14,329 How can you say that 515 00:20:14,331 --> 00:20:16,371 with the discrimination you were just talking about? 516 00:20:16,373 --> 00:20:17,906 - I mean, how... - It's the truth. 517 00:20:17,908 --> 00:20:20,268 - What are you, crazy? - This (bleep) crazy! 518 00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:21,936 That is all the time we have tonight. 519 00:20:21,938 --> 00:20:23,978 - I'd like to thank my guests... ALFRED: Oh, my God. 520 00:20:24,002 --> 00:20:25,873 - Dr. Holt, Paper Boi. ALFRED: (chuckling) 521 00:20:25,875 --> 00:20:28,676 Please check for her book Transition, 522 00:20:28,678 --> 00:20:31,379 as well as Paper Boi's mixtape Postal. 523 00:20:31,381 --> 00:20:33,181 ALFRED: Yup! - Available... 524 00:20:33,183 --> 00:20:36,184 wherever mixtapes are available. 525 00:20:36,186 --> 00:20:38,753 - Good night. ALFRED: (laughing) 526 00:20:38,755 --> 00:20:42,023 Like, you look like a dying palm tree. 527 00:20:42,025 --> 00:20:44,726 Right? Like you look like the lost fifth Beatle, 528 00:20:44,728 --> 00:20:46,461 my (bleep), that they just don't talk about. 529 00:20:46,463 --> 00:20:48,596 That, like, power up, like... 530 00:20:48,598 --> 00:20:51,199 They gave him (bleep) bangs, like... (laughing). 531 00:20:51,201 --> 00:20:52,900 DEBRA: I don't care for it. 532 00:20:52,902 --> 00:20:55,903 (theme music playing) 533 00:20:55,905 --> 00:21:02,810 ♪ ♪